subject:"\[AFMUG\] COVID\-19 and WISPAmerica"

You take your non lethal and put it in a dream bucket and fill it with fish
guts. We have no use for non lethal things, merca.

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020, 5:11 PM Mitch Koep  wrote:

> https://www.wired.com/2007/06/robo-tasers-for/
>
> incase non lethal is an idea lol
> On 3/13/2020 4:46 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> Claymores can be very effective.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/13/2020 2:16 PM, Robert wrote:
>
> I would have taken you for an electrified fence kinda guy...
>
> On 3/13/20 12:05 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I have a nice balcony connecting my BR to my office at home.  Lots of room
> for a 50 cal tripod mounted M2 looking out the driveway.
> At least that would take care of my Southern exposure.  Land mines will
> get the rest.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2020 12:47 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
> The AR wasnt the weapon of choice. Prone to mechanical issues. But price
> was right, and it was the only semiauto rifle in stock, in my price range.
> I would have preferred the henry repeater if this were a pleasure purchase.
> AR is a hyped up weapon, much like this plague. And I dont want a semi auto
> shotgun. But given the purpose of the purchase and the escalation of
> stupidity, it was the option. I have a couple .22 and a 9mm handgun. .22
> doesnt have the stopping power, or the shock and awe noise factor. The
> kids, I prefer not touch the handgun, too loose of a weapon. the 20 guage
> would be preferred for them, but the wife said no to two guns. I dont even
> keep most guns at my house currently, they stay across the street at my
> dads house. I needed something with stopping power, noise, and capacity in
> the even the ill prepared choose to take advantage of the shitshow that
> might go down. Id prefer to not even own an AR, because even if the
> shitshow (that probably wont come to pass) happens, it will end and I still
> will have a politically problematic weapon, whos reputation doesnt justify
> its hassle of ownership, but it is what it is. I did load all the
> magazines, I normally keep ammunition in a separate container as the stored
> weapons. thats the first escalation, if the morons calm their tits, ill
> unstress those springs. If it continues to escalate, Ill bring the weapons
> home. So no, nothing moronic or impulse about the purchase. If you saw my
> walmart, youd understand. Stupid people are dangerous, and stupid criminals
> are almost as bad. And when the mandated wait is over, ill pick up another
> 1000 rounds when i pick up the weapon. When the shitshow is over, hopefully
> i still have every single cartridge and we can have a good fun day at the
> range.
> Morons and governments make me nervous, theyre both too prone to impulse
> stupidity
>
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 1:23 PM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> I think it falls more under prepping than hoarding at that point.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 1:07 PM Robert  wrote:
>>
>>> If you bought it before the run and it was super cheap from the right
>>> place online in December and availability was trivial, was it still
>>> hoarding?
>>>
>>> On 3/13/20 7:25 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
>>> > On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
>>> >> And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior.  Spend the
>>> >> money on some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in
>>> >> the event that they need help.  WWJD
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > That requires rational thought. The people that think the best
>>> > response to all of this is to purchase mass quantities of toilet paper
>>> > aren't exactly top of the smarts chain.
>>> >
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-13 Thread castarritt .

Can I place them facing large fire ant mounds?

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 5:11 PM Mitch Koep  wrote:

> https://www.wired.com/2007/06/robo-tasers-for/
>
> incase non lethal is an idea lol
> On 3/13/2020 4:46 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> Claymores can be very effective.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/13/2020 2:16 PM, Robert wrote:
>
> I would have taken you for an electrified fence kinda guy...
>
> On 3/13/20 12:05 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I have a nice balcony connecting my BR to my office at home.  Lots of room
> for a 50 cal tripod mounted M2 looking out the driveway.
> At least that would take care of my Southern exposure.  Land mines will
> get the rest.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2020 12:47 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
> The AR wasnt the weapon of choice. Prone to mechanical issues. But price
> was right, and it was the only semiauto rifle in stock, in my price range.
> I would have preferred the henry repeater if this were a pleasure purchase.
> AR is a hyped up weapon, much like this plague. And I dont want a semi auto
> shotgun. But given the purpose of the purchase and the escalation of
> stupidity, it was the option. I have a couple .22 and a 9mm handgun. .22
> doesnt have the stopping power, or the shock and awe noise factor. The
> kids, I prefer not touch the handgun, too loose of a weapon. the 20 guage
> would be preferred for them, but the wife said no to two guns. I dont even
> keep most guns at my house currently, they stay across the street at my
> dads house. I needed something with stopping power, noise, and capacity in
> the even the ill prepared choose to take advantage of the shitshow that
> might go down. Id prefer to not even own an AR, because even if the
> shitshow (that probably wont come to pass) happens, it will end and I still
> will have a politically problematic weapon, whos reputation doesnt justify
> its hassle of ownership, but it is what it is. I did load all the
> magazines, I normally keep ammunition in a separate container as the stored
> weapons. thats the first escalation, if the morons calm their tits, ill
> unstress those springs. If it continues to escalate, Ill bring the weapons
> home. So no, nothing moronic or impulse about the purchase. If you saw my
> walmart, youd understand. Stupid people are dangerous, and stupid criminals
> are almost as bad. And when the mandated wait is over, ill pick up another
> 1000 rounds when i pick up the weapon. When the shitshow is over, hopefully
> i still have every single cartridge and we can have a good fun day at the
> range.
> Morons and governments make me nervous, theyre both too prone to impulse
> stupidity
>
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 1:23 PM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> I think it falls more under prepping than hoarding at that point.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 1:07 PM Robert  wrote:
>>
>>> If you bought it before the run and it was super cheap from the right
>>> place online in December and availability was trivial, was it still
>>> hoarding?
>>>
>>> On 3/13/20 7:25 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
>>> > On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
>>> >> And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior.  Spend the
>>> >> money on some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in
>>> >> the event that they need help.  WWJD
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > That requires rational thought. The people that think the best
>>> > response to all of this is to purchase mass quantities of toilet paper
>>> > aren't exactly top of the smarts chain.
>>> >
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-13 Thread Mitch Koep

https://www.wired.com/2007/06/robo-tasers-for/

incase non lethal is an idea lol

On 3/13/2020 4:46 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

Claymores can be very effective.

bp

On 3/13/2020 2:16 PM, Robert wrote:

I would have taken you for an electrified fence kinda guy...

On 3/13/20 12:05 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I have a nice balcony connecting my BR to my office at home.  Lots 
of room for a 50 cal tripod mounted M2 looking out the driveway.
At least that would take care of my Southern exposure.  Land mines 
will get the rest.

*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2020 12:47 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
The AR wasnt the weapon of choice. Prone to mechanical issues. But 
price was right, and it was the only semiauto rifle in stock, in my 
price range. I would have preferred the henry repeater if this were 
a pleasure purchase. AR is a hyped up weapon, much like this plague. 
And I dont want a semi auto shotgun. But given the purpose of the 
purchase and the escalation of stupidity, it was the option. I have 
a couple .22 and a 9mm handgun. .22 doesnt have the stopping power, 
or the shock and awe noise factor. The kids, I prefer not touch the 
handgun, too loose of a weapon. the 20 guage would be preferred for 
them, but the wife said no to two guns. I dont even keep most guns 
at my house currently, they stay across the street at my dads house. 
I needed something with stopping power, noise, and capacity in the 
even the ill prepared choose to take advantage of the shitshow that 
might go down. Id prefer to not even own an AR, because even if the 
shitshow (that probably wont come to pass) happens, it will end and 
I still will have a politically problematic weapon, whos reputation 
doesnt justify its hassle of ownership, but it is what it is. I did 
load all the magazines, I normally keep ammunition in a separate 
container as the stored weapons. thats the first escalation, if the 
morons calm their tits, ill unstress those springs. If it continues 
to escalate, Ill bring the weapons home. So no, nothing moronic or 
impulse about the purchase. If you saw my walmart, youd understand. 
Stupid people are dangerous, and stupid criminals are almost as bad. 
And when the mandated wait is over, ill pick up another 1000 rounds 
when i pick up the weapon. When the shitshow is over, hopefully i 
still have every single cartridge and we can have a good fun day at 
the range.
Morons and governments make me nervous, theyre both too prone to 
impulse stupidity
On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 1:23 PM Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

I think it falls more under prepping than hoarding at that point.
On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 1:07 PM Robert 
wrote:

If you bought it before the run and it was super cheap from
the right
place online in December and availability was trivial, was
it still
hoarding?

On 3/13/20 7:25 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
> On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
>> And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior. 
Spend the
>> money on some extra dry goods you could share with your
neighbors in
>> the event that they need help.  WWJD
>
>
> That requires rational thought. The people that think the
best
> response to all of this is to purchase mass quantities of
toilet paper
> aren't exactly top of the smarts chain.
>

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Claymores can be very effective.

bp

On 3/13/2020 2:16 PM, Robert wrote:

  I would have taken you for an electrified fence kinda guy...

  On 3/13/20 12:05 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I have a nice balcony connecting my BR to my office at
  home.  Lots of room for a 50 cal tripod mounted M2 looking
  out the driveway.  
At least that would take care of my Southern exposure. 
  Land mines will get the rest.  

  From: Steve Jones 
  Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 12:47 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users
  Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and
WISPAmerica

  The AR wasnt the weapon of choice. Prone to
mechanical issues. But price was right, and it was the
only semiauto rifle in stock, in my price range. I would
have preferred the henry repeater if this were a
pleasure purchase. AR is a hyped up weapon, much like
this plague. And I dont want a semi auto shotgun. But
given the purpose of the purchase and the escalation of
stupidity, it was the option. I have a couple .22 and a
9mm handgun. .22 doesnt have the stopping power, or the
shock and awe noise factor. The kids, I prefer not touch
the handgun, too loose of a weapon. the 20 guage would
be preferred for them, but the wife said no to two guns.
I dont even keep most guns at my house currently, they
stay across the street at my dads house. I needed
something with stopping power, noise, and capacity in
the even the ill prepared choose to take advantage of
the shitshow that might go down. Id prefer to not even
own an AR, because even if the shitshow (that probably
wont come to pass) happens, it will end and I still will
have a politically problematic weapon, whos reputation
doesnt justify its hassle of ownership, but it is what
it is. I did load all the magazines, I normally keep
ammunition in a separate container as the stored
weapons. thats the first escalation, if the morons calm
their tits, ill unstress those springs. If it continues
to escalate, Ill bring the weapons home. So no, nothing
moronic or impulse about the purchase. If you saw my
walmart, youd understand. Stupid people are dangerous,
and stupid criminals are almost as bad. And when the
mandated wait is over, ill pick up another 1000 rounds
when i pick up the weapon. When the shitshow is over,
hopefully i still have every single cartridge and we can
have a good fun day at the range.
Morons and governments make me nervous, theyre both
  too prone to impulse stupidity

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020
  at 1:23 PM Jason McKemie <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
  wrote:

  I think it falls more under prepping
than hoarding at that point.

On Fri, Mar 13,
  2020 at 1:07 PM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com>
  wrote:

If you bought it before
  the run and it was super cheap from the right 
  place online in December and availability was
  trivial, was it still 
  hoarding?

  On 3/13/20 7:25 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
  > On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
  >> And yes, stocking up on ammunition is
  moronic behavior.  Spend the 
  >> money on some extra dry goods you could
  share with your neighbors in 
  >> the event that they need help.  WWJD
  >
  >
  > That requires rational thought. The people
  that think the best 
  > response to all of this is to purchase mass
  quantities of toilet paper

Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-13 Thread Robert

Years ago with the last wife, she took me by a hanger of a friend of 
hers on the Scottsdale airport.   That guy had at least a case of 
everything.   When he opened a particular crate and it was full of cases 
of LARs I just shook my head.   He was a foreign national and apparently 
had a ligit weapons import/export license and all the necessary Fed 
approvals.   Not one, not two, but three ma dueces scattered around the 
room.   Cases of claymores.  It was a true armory, 400 yards from the 
runway where he could load up the corp jet and skeddadle... That wife 
loved hanging with him. Kinda knew then the relationship was doomed.

On 3/13/20 12:23 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
My sisters brother (dads ex wife) got in a pickle some time back for 
having actual claymores set up in his yard. I dont know how he got 
them, or how he avoided prison. That guy was the epitome of RWNJ. he 
ditched to germany and lives off grid now as far as anybody knows. I 
wouldnt be surprised if you could find him if he was able to hook you 
up with some of those land mines and the .50

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 2:06 PM <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I have a nice balcony connecting my BR to my office at home.  Lots
of room for a 50 cal tripod mounted M2 looking out the driveway.
At least that would take care of my Southern exposure.  Land mines
will get the rest.
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2020 12:47 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
The AR wasnt the weapon of choice. Prone to mechanical issues. But
price was right, and it was the only semiauto rifle in stock, in
my price range. I would have preferred the henry repeater if this
were a pleasure purchase. AR is a hyped up weapon, much like this
plague. And I dont want a semi auto shotgun. But given the purpose
of the purchase and the escalation of stupidity, it was the
option. I have a couple .22 and a 9mm handgun. .22 doesnt have the
stopping power, or the shock and awe noise factor. The kids, I
prefer not touch the handgun, too loose of a weapon. the 20 guage
would be preferred for them, but the wife said no to two guns. I
dont even keep most guns at my house currently, they stay across
the street at my dads house. I needed something with stopping
power, noise, and capacity in the even the ill prepared choose to
take advantage of the shitshow that might go down. Id prefer to
not even own an AR, because even if the shitshow (that probably
wont come to pass) happens, it will end and I still will have a
politically problematic weapon, whos reputation doesnt justify its
hassle of ownership, but it is what it is. I did load all the
magazines, I normally keep ammunition in a separate container as
the stored weapons. thats the first escalation, if the morons calm
their tits, ill unstress those springs. If it continues to
escalate, Ill bring the weapons home. So no, nothing moronic or
impulse about the purchase. If you saw my walmart, youd
understand. Stupid people are dangerous, and stupid criminals are
almost as bad. And when the mandated wait is over, ill pick up
another 1000 rounds when i pick up the weapon. When the shitshow
is over, hopefully i still have every single cartridge and we can
have a good fun day at the range.
Morons and governments make me nervous, theyre both too prone to
impulse stupidity
On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 1:23 PM Jason McKemie
 wrote:

I think it falls more under prepping than hoarding at that point.
On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 1:07 PM Robert
 wrote:

If you bought it before the run and it was super cheap
from the right
place online in December and availability was trivial, was
it still
hoarding?

On 3/13/20 7:25 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
> On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
>> And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic
behavior.  Spend the
>> money on some extra dry goods you could share with your
neighbors in
>> the event that they need help.  WWJD
>
>
> That requires rational thought. The people that think
the best
> response to all of this is to purchase mass quantities
of toilet paper
> aren't exactly top of the smarts chain.
>

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solar powered electrified fence

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 4:17 PM Robert  wrote:

> I would have taken you for an electrified fence kinda guy...
>
> On 3/13/20 12:05 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I have a nice balcony connecting my BR to my office at home.  Lots of room
> for a 50 cal tripod mounted M2 looking out the driveway.
> At least that would take care of my Southern exposure.  Land mines will
> get the rest.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2020 12:47 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
> The AR wasnt the weapon of choice. Prone to mechanical issues. But price
> was right, and it was the only semiauto rifle in stock, in my price range.
> I would have preferred the henry repeater if this were a pleasure purchase.
> AR is a hyped up weapon, much like this plague. And I dont want a semi auto
> shotgun. But given the purpose of the purchase and the escalation of
> stupidity, it was the option. I have a couple .22 and a 9mm handgun. .22
> doesnt have the stopping power, or the shock and awe noise factor. The
> kids, I prefer not touch the handgun, too loose of a weapon. the 20 guage
> would be preferred for them, but the wife said no to two guns. I dont even
> keep most guns at my house currently, they stay across the street at my
> dads house. I needed something with stopping power, noise, and capacity in
> the even the ill prepared choose to take advantage of the shitshow that
> might go down. Id prefer to not even own an AR, because even if the
> shitshow (that probably wont come to pass) happens, it will end and I still
> will have a politically problematic weapon, whos reputation doesnt justify
> its hassle of ownership, but it is what it is. I did load all the
> magazines, I normally keep ammunition in a separate container as the stored
> weapons. thats the first escalation, if the morons calm their tits, ill
> unstress those springs. If it continues to escalate, Ill bring the weapons
> home. So no, nothing moronic or impulse about the purchase. If you saw my
> walmart, youd understand. Stupid people are dangerous, and stupid criminals
> are almost as bad. And when the mandated wait is over, ill pick up another
> 1000 rounds when i pick up the weapon. When the shitshow is over, hopefully
> i still have every single cartridge and we can have a good fun day at the
> range.
> Morons and governments make me nervous, theyre both too prone to impulse
> stupidity
>
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 1:23 PM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> I think it falls more under prepping than hoarding at that point.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 1:07 PM Robert  wrote:
>>
>>> If you bought it before the run and it was super cheap from the right
>>> place online in December and availability was trivial, was it still
>>> hoarding?
>>>
>>> On 3/13/20 7:25 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
>>> > On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
>>> >> And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior.  Spend the
>>> >> money on some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in
>>> >> the event that they need help.  WWJD
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > That requires rational thought. The people that think the best
>>> > response to all of this is to purchase mass quantities of toilet paper
>>> > aren't exactly top of the smarts chain.
>>> >
>>>
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2020-03-13 Thread Robert

I would have taken you for an electrified fence kinda guy...

On 3/13/20 12:05 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I have a nice balcony connecting my BR to my office at home.  Lots of 
room for a 50 cal tripod mounted M2 looking out the driveway.
At least that would take care of my Southern exposure. Land mines will 
get the rest.

*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2020 12:47 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
The AR wasnt the weapon of choice. Prone to mechanical issues. But 
price was right, and it was the only semiauto rifle in stock, in my 
price range. I would have preferred the henry repeater if this were a 
pleasure purchase. AR is a hyped up weapon, much like this plague. And 
I dont want a semi auto shotgun. But given the purpose of the purchase 
and the escalation of stupidity, it was the option. I have a couple 
.22 and a 9mm handgun. .22 doesnt have the stopping power, or the 
shock and awe noise factor. The kids, I prefer not touch the handgun, 
too loose of a weapon. the 20 guage would be preferred for them, but 
the wife said no to two guns. I dont even keep most guns at my house 
currently, they stay across the street at my dads house. I needed 
something with stopping power, noise, and capacity in the even the ill 
prepared choose to take advantage of the shitshow that might go down. 
Id prefer to not even own an AR, because even if the shitshow (that 
probably wont come to pass) happens, it will end and I still will have 
a politically problematic weapon, whos reputation doesnt justify its 
hassle of ownership, but it is what it is. I did load all the 
magazines, I normally keep ammunition in a separate container as the 
stored weapons. thats the first escalation, if the morons calm their 
tits, ill unstress those springs. If it continues to escalate, Ill 
bring the weapons home. So no, nothing moronic or impulse about the 
purchase. If you saw my walmart, youd understand. Stupid people are 
dangerous, and stupid criminals are almost as bad. And when the 
mandated wait is over, ill pick up another 1000 rounds when i pick up 
the weapon. When the shitshow is over, hopefully i still have every 
single cartridge and we can have a good fun day at the range.
Morons and governments make me nervous, theyre both too prone to 
impulse stupidity
On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 1:23 PM Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

I think it falls more under prepping than hoarding at that point.
On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 1:07 PM Robert  wrote:

If you bought it before the run and it was super cheap from
the right
place online in December and availability was trivial, was it
still
hoarding?

On 3/13/20 7:25 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
> On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
>> And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior. 
Spend the
>> money on some extra dry goods you could share with your
neighbors in
>> the event that they need help.  WWJD
>
>
> That requires rational thought. The people that think the best
> response to all of this is to purchase mass quantities of
toilet paper
> aren't exactly top of the smarts chain.
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2020-03-13 Thread Jason McKemie

That's a great way of social distancing...

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 1:55 PM James Howard  wrote:

> Just got back from weekly trip to Costco for groceries.  From the looks of
> it you’d need to execute at least half the people coming out of there……
>
>
>
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> *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2020 12:52 PM
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>
> I propose executing hoarders on site. No questions asked.
>
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> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
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> Trying to put this in the best light, maybe people are preparing for 2+
> weeks of home quarantine.  But I would run out of food before I ran out of
> toilet paper.
>
> I would like to think that society isn't going to break down to the point
> where I couldn't get Amazon to deliver a box of pasta and canned goods, or
> get someone to bring me some bread and milk and leave it on the porch.
>
> Hand sanitizer though, all the shelves are empty.  Again, I'd like to
> think stores are going to get restocked with the stuff people are panic
> buying.  This is not going to be over in the next month.  Please tell me
> there will be more hand sanitizer, toilet paper, pasta and canned peaches,
> and we're not living in a Mad Max movie.
>
> If somebody's grandparents are stuck in their house for 14 days and can't
> get basic supplies delivered because other people scooped everything up,
> well, that would suck.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
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> To: af@af.afmug.com
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> On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
> > And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior.  Spend the
> > money on some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in
> > the event that they need help.  WWJD
>
>
> That requires rational thought. The people that think the best response to
> all of this is to purchase mass quantities of toilet paper aren't exactly
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My sisters brother (dads ex wife) got in a pickle some time back for having
actual claymores set up in his yard. I dont know how he got them, or how he
avoided prison. That guy was the epitome of RWNJ. he ditched to germany and
lives off grid now as far as anybody knows. I wouldnt be surprised if you
could find him if he was able to hook you up with some of those land mines
and the .50

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 2:06 PM  wrote:

> I have a nice balcony connecting my BR to my office at home.  Lots of room
> for a 50 cal tripod mounted M2 looking out the driveway.
> At least that would take care of my Southern exposure.  Land mines will
> get the rest.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2020 12:47 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
> The AR wasnt the weapon of choice. Prone to mechanical issues. But price
> was right, and it was the only semiauto rifle in stock, in my price range.
> I would have preferred the henry repeater if this were a pleasure purchase.
> AR is a hyped up weapon, much like this plague. And I dont want a semi auto
> shotgun. But given the purpose of the purchase and the escalation of
> stupidity, it was the option. I have a couple .22 and a 9mm handgun. .22
> doesnt have the stopping power, or the shock and awe noise factor. The
> kids, I prefer not touch the handgun, too loose of a weapon. the 20 guage
> would be preferred for them, but the wife said no to two guns. I dont even
> keep most guns at my house currently, they stay across the street at my
> dads house. I needed something with stopping power, noise, and capacity in
> the even the ill prepared choose to take advantage of the shitshow that
> might go down. Id prefer to not even own an AR, because even if the
> shitshow (that probably wont come to pass) happens, it will end and I still
> will have a politically problematic weapon, whos reputation doesnt justify
> its hassle of ownership, but it is what it is. I did load all the
> magazines, I normally keep ammunition in a separate container as the stored
> weapons. thats the first escalation, if the morons calm their tits, ill
> unstress those springs. If it continues to escalate, Ill bring the weapons
> home. So no, nothing moronic or impulse about the purchase. If you saw my
> walmart, youd understand. Stupid people are dangerous, and stupid criminals
> are almost as bad. And when the mandated wait is over, ill pick up another
> 1000 rounds when i pick up the weapon. When the shitshow is over, hopefully
> i still have every single cartridge and we can have a good fun day at the
> range.
> Morons and governments make me nervous, theyre both too prone to impulse
> stupidity
>
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 1:23 PM Jason McKemie <
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>
>> I think it falls more under prepping than hoarding at that point.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 1:07 PM Robert  wrote:
>>
>>> If you bought it before the run and it was super cheap from the right
>>> place online in December and availability was trivial, was it still
>>> hoarding?
>>>
>>> On 3/13/20 7:25 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
>>> > On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
>>> >> And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior.  Spend the
>>> >> money on some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in
>>> >> the event that they need help.  WWJD
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > That requires rational thought. The people that think the best
>>> > response to all of this is to purchase mass quantities of toilet paper
>>> > aren't exactly top of the smarts chain.
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I have a nice balcony connecting my BR to my office at home.  Lots of room for 
a 50 cal tripod mounted M2 looking out the driveway.  
At least that would take care of my Southern exposure.  Land mines will get the 
rest.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 12:47 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

The AR wasnt the weapon of choice. Prone to mechanical issues. But price was 
right, and it was the only semiauto rifle in stock, in my price range. I would 
have preferred the henry repeater if this were a pleasure purchase. AR is a 
hyped up weapon, much like this plague. And I dont want a semi auto shotgun. 
But given the purpose of the purchase and the escalation of stupidity, it was 
the option. I have a couple .22 and a 9mm handgun. .22 doesnt have the stopping 
power, or the shock and awe noise factor. The kids, I prefer not touch the 
handgun, too loose of a weapon. the 20 guage would be preferred for them, but 
the wife said no to two guns. I dont even keep most guns at my house currently, 
they stay across the street at my dads house. I needed something with stopping 
power, noise, and capacity in the even the ill prepared choose to take 
advantage of the shitshow that might go down. Id prefer to not even own an AR, 
because even if the shitshow (that probably wont come to pass) happens, it will 
end and I still will have a politically problematic weapon, whos reputation 
doesnt justify its hassle of ownership, but it is what it is. I did load all 
the magazines, I normally keep ammunition in a separate container as the stored 
weapons. thats the first escalation, if the morons calm their tits, ill 
unstress those springs. If it continues to escalate, Ill bring the weapons 
home. So no, nothing moronic or impulse about the purchase. If you saw my 
walmart, youd understand. Stupid people are dangerous, and stupid criminals are 
almost as bad. And when the mandated wait is over, ill pick up another 1000 
rounds when i pick up the weapon. When the shitshow is over, hopefully i still 
have every single cartridge and we can have a good fun day at the range. 
Morons and governments make me nervous, theyre both too prone to impulse 
stupidity

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 1:23 PM Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

  I think it falls more under prepping than hoarding at that point.

  On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 1:07 PM Robert  wrote:

If you bought it before the run and it was super cheap from the right 
place online in December and availability was trivial, was it still 
hoarding?

On 3/13/20 7:25 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
> On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
>> And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior.  Spend the 
>> money on some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in 
>> the event that they need help.  WWJD
>
>
> That requires rational thought. The people that think the best 
> response to all of this is to purchase mass quantities of toilet paper 
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-13 Thread James Howard

Just got back from weekly trip to Costco for groceries.  From the looks of it 
you'd need to execute at least half the people coming out of there..

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Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 12:52 PM
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I propose executing hoarders on site. No questions asked.

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Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 10:25:00 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Trying to put this in the best light, maybe people are preparing for 2+ weeks 
of home quarantine.  But I would run out of food before I ran out of toilet 
paper.

I would like to think that society isn't going to break down to the point where 
I couldn't get Amazon to deliver a box of pasta and canned goods, or get 
someone to bring me some bread and milk and leave it on the porch.

Hand sanitizer though, all the shelves are empty.  Again, I'd like to think 
stores are going to get restocked with the stuff people are panic buying.  This 
is not going to be over in the next month.  Please tell me there will be more 
hand sanitizer, toilet paper, pasta and canned peaches, and we're not living in 
a Mad Max movie.

If somebody's grandparents are stuck in their house for 14 days and can't get 
basic supplies delivered because other people scooped everything up, well, that 
would suck.

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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
> And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior.  Spend the
> money on some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in
> the event that they need help.  WWJD

That requires rational thought. The people that think the best response to all 
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The AR wasnt the weapon of choice. Prone to mechanical issues. But price
was right, and it was the only semiauto rifle in stock, in my price range.
I would have preferred the henry repeater if this were a pleasure purchase.
AR is a hyped up weapon, much like this plague. And I dont want a semi auto
shotgun. But given the purpose of the purchase and the escalation of
stupidity, it was the option. I have a couple .22 and a 9mm handgun. .22
doesnt have the stopping power, or the shock and awe noise factor. The
kids, I prefer not touch the handgun, too loose of a weapon. the 20
guage would be preferred for them, but the wife said no to two guns. I
dont even keep most guns at my house currently, they stay across the street
at my dads house. I needed something with stopping power, noise, and
capacity in the even the ill prepared choose to take advantage of the
shitshow that might go down. Id prefer to not even own an AR, because even
if the shitshow (that probably wont come to pass) happens, it will end and
I still will have a politically problematic weapon, whos reputation doesnt
justify its hassle of ownership, but it is what it is. I did load all the
magazines, I normally keep ammunition in a separate container as the stored
weapons. thats the first escalation, if the morons calm their tits, ill
unstress those springs. If it continues to escalate, Ill bring the weapons
home. So no, nothing moronic or impulse about the purchase. If you saw my
walmart, youd understand. Stupid people are dangerous, and stupid criminals
are almost as bad. And when the mandated wait is over, ill pick up another
1000 rounds when i pick up the weapon. When the shitshow is over, hopefully
i still have every single cartridge and we can have a good fun day at the
range.
Morons and governments make me nervous, theyre both too prone to impulse
stupidity

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 1:23 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> I think it falls more under prepping than hoarding at that point.
>
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 1:07 PM Robert  wrote:
>
>> If you bought it before the run and it was super cheap from the right
>> place online in December and availability was trivial, was it still
>> hoarding?
>>
>> On 3/13/20 7:25 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
>> > On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
>> >> And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior.  Spend the
>> >> money on some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in
>> >> the event that they need help.  WWJD
>> >
>> >
>> > That requires rational thought. The people that think the best
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>> > aren't exactly top of the smarts chain.
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2020-03-13 Thread Jason McKemie

I think it falls more under prepping than hoarding at that point.

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 1:07 PM Robert  wrote:

> If you bought it before the run and it was super cheap from the right
> place online in December and availability was trivial, was it still
> hoarding?
>
> On 3/13/20 7:25 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
> > On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
> >> And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior.  Spend the
> >> money on some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in
> >> the event that they need help.  WWJD
> >
> >
> > That requires rational thought. The people that think the best
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> > aren't exactly top of the smarts chain.
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Steve Martin proposed years ago that the solution to traffic
  congestion was death penalty for parking violations.

bp

On 3/13/2020 10:53 AM, Jason McKemie
  wrote:

  I'll second this.

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:52
  PM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

I
  propose executing hoarders on site. No questions asked.

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serious.

  From:
"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 10:25:00 AM
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Trying to put this in the best light, maybe people are
preparing for 2+ weeks of home quarantine.  But I would
run out of food before I ran out of toilet paper.

I would like to think that society isn't going to break
down to the point where I couldn't get Amazon to deliver
a box of pasta and canned goods, or get someone to bring
me some bread and milk and leave it on the porch.

Hand sanitizer though, all the shelves are empty. 
Again, I'd like to think stores are going to get
restocked with the stuff people are panic buying.  This
is not going to be over in the next month.  Please tell
me there will be more hand sanitizer, toilet paper,
pasta and canned peaches, and we're not living in a Mad
Max movie.

If somebody's grandparents are stuck in their house for
14 days and can't get basic supplies delivered because
other people scooped everything up, well, that would
suck.

-Original Message-
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 9:25 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
> And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic
behavior.  Spend the 
> money on some extra dry goods you could share with
your neighbors in 
> the event that they need help.  WWJD

That requires rational thought. The people that think
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I smell a reality TV show.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 12:53 PM
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I'll second this.

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Not serious.

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From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com> >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 10:25:00 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Trying to put this in the best light, maybe people are preparing for 2+ weeks 
of home quarantine.  But I would run out of food before I ran out of toilet 
paper.

I would like to think that society isn't going to break down to the point where 
I couldn't get Amazon to deliver a box of pasta and canned goods, or get 
someone to bring me some bread and milk and leave it on the porch.

Hand sanitizer though, all the shelves are empty.  Again, I'd like to think 
stores are going to get restocked with the stuff people are panic buying.  This 
is not going to be over in the next month.  Please tell me there will be more 
hand sanitizer, toilet paper, pasta and canned peaches, and we're not living in 
a Mad Max movie.

If somebody's grandparents are stuck in their house for 14 days and can't get 
basic supplies delivered because other people scooped everything up, well, that 
would suck.

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On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
> And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior.  Spend the 
> money on some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in 
> the event that they need help.  WWJD

That requires rational thought. The people that think the best response to all 
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-13 Thread Robert

If you bought it before the run and it was super cheap from the right 
place online in December and availability was trivial, was it still 
hoarding?


On 3/13/20 7:25 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior.  Spend the 
money on some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in 
the event that they need help.  WWJD



That requires rational thought. The people that think the best 
response to all of this is to purchase mass quantities of toilet paper 
aren't exactly top of the smarts chain.





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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-13 Thread Jason McKemie

I'll second this.

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:52 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> I propose executing hoarders on site. No questions asked.
>
>
>
> -
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>
>
>
> Not serious.
> ----------
> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Friday, March 13, 2020 10:25:00 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
> Trying to put this in the best light, maybe people are preparing for 2+
> weeks of home quarantine.  But I would run out of food before I ran out of
> toilet paper.
>
> I would like to think that society isn't going to break down to the point
> where I couldn't get Amazon to deliver a box of pasta and canned goods, or
> get someone to bring me some bread and milk and leave it on the porch.
>
> Hand sanitizer though, all the shelves are empty.  Again, I'd like to
> think stores are going to get restocked with the stuff people are panic
> buying.  This is not going to be over in the next month.  Please tell me
> there will be more hand sanitizer, toilet paper, pasta and canned peaches,
> and we're not living in a Mad Max movie.
>
> If somebody's grandparents are stuck in their house for 14 days and can't
> get basic supplies delivered because other people scooped everything up,
> well, that would suck.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 9:25 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
> On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
> > And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior.  Spend the
> > money on some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in
> > the event that they need help.  WWJD
>
>
> That requires rational thought. The people that think the best response to
> all of this is to purchase mass quantities of toilet paper aren't exactly
> top of the smarts chain.
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-13 Thread Mike Hammett

I propose executing hoarders on site. No questions asked. 

- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

Not serious. - Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 10:25:00 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica 

Trying to put this in the best light, maybe people are preparing for 2+ weeks 
of home quarantine. But I would run out of food before I ran out of toilet 
paper. 

I would like to think that society isn't going to break down to the point where 
I couldn't get Amazon to deliver a box of pasta and canned goods, or get 
someone to bring me some bread and milk and leave it on the porch. 

Hand sanitizer though, all the shelves are empty. Again, I'd like to think 
stores are going to get restocked with the stuff people are panic buying. This 
is not going to be over in the next month. Please tell me there will be more 
hand sanitizer, toilet paper, pasta and canned peaches, and we're not living in 
a Mad Max movie. 

If somebody's grandparents are stuck in their house for 14 days and can't get 
basic supplies delivered because other people scooped everything up, well, that 
would suck. 

-Original Message- 
From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen 
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 9:25 AM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica 

On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote: 
> And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior. Spend the 
> money on some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in 
> the event that they need help. WWJD 

That requires rational thought. The people that think the best response to all 
of this is to purchase mass quantities of toilet paper aren't exactly top of 
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That’s a classic.  
There is another one that I cannot remember the name of, like to watch it again.
Seems like it was perhaps Indian, restaurant getting extorted by the local 
indian mob.  
In the end I think they feed the mobster to a wedding party.  
Love to watch that one again if someone can tell me the name of it.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 10:21 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Time to rent the movie Eating Raoul.

From: AF  On Behalf Of castarritt .
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 11:14 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Strategic lipid reserves are a thing, just make sure you have enough ammo that 
your reserves won't go to someone else.

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 11:08 AM  wrote:

  I can live off my body fat for much longer than that.

  -Original Message- 
  From: Ken Hohhof
  Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 9:25 AM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

  Trying to put this in the best light, maybe people are preparing for 2+ 
  weeks of home quarantine.  But I would run out of food before I ran out of 
  toilet paper.

  I would like to think that society isn't going to break down to the point 
  where I couldn't get Amazon to deliver a box of pasta and canned goods, or 
  get someone to bring me some bread and milk and leave it on the porch.

  Hand sanitizer though, all the shelves are empty.  Again, I'd like to think 
  stores are going to get restocked with the stuff people are panic buying. 
  This is not going to be over in the next month.  Please tell me there will 
  be more hand sanitizer, toilet paper, pasta and canned peaches, and we're 
  not living in a Mad Max movie.

  If somebody's grandparents are stuck in their house for 14 days and can't 
  get basic supplies delivered because other people scooped everything up, 
  well, that would suck.

  -Original Message-
  From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
  Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 9:25 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

  On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
  > And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior.  Spend the
  > money on some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in
  > the event that they need help.  WWJD

  That requires rational thought. The people that think the best response to 
  all of this is to purchase mass quantities of toilet paper aren't exactly 
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

We have kept a bottle of Purell in our trucks for years now. Turns out 
alcohol is great for getting urushiol off your hands if you are working 
around poison oak (or poison ivy).



bp


On 3/13/2020 9:18 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Yep, I actually only have soap (actually Dial Complete Foaming Hand Soap
which I suspect is not "soap" at all), and have never used any Purell type
stuff.

But I wouldn't mind having a bottle of alcohol based hand sanitizer for when
I'm on the road.  And we may need masks, gloves and hand sanitizer to
convince customers we're safe to be in their house.  Not sure where you'd
buy any of those things now.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 10:37 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Soap and water actually works better than the sanitizer. The sanitizer is
really handy if you are on the road or something, but soap and water is the
best.

bp


On 3/13/2020 8:25 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Trying to put this in the best light, maybe people are preparing for 2+

weeks of home quarantine.  But I would run out of food before I ran out of
toilet paper.

I would like to think that society isn't going to break down to the point

where I couldn't get Amazon to deliver a box of pasta and canned goods, or
get someone to bring me some bread and milk and leave it on the porch.

Hand sanitizer though, all the shelves are empty.  Again, I'd like to

think stores are going to get restocked with the stuff people are panic
buying.  This is not going to be over in the next month.  Please tell me
there will be more hand sanitizer, toilet paper, pasta and canned peaches,
and we're not living in a Mad Max movie.

If somebody's grandparents are stuck in their house for 14 days and can't

get basic supplies delivered because other people scooped everything up,
well, that would suck.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 9:25 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:

And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior.  Spend the
money on some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in
the event that they need help.  WWJD

That requires rational thought. The people that think the best response to

all of this is to purchase mass quantities of toilet paper aren't exactly
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Time to rent the movie Eating Raoul.

From: AF  On Behalf Of castarritt .
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 11:14 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Strategic lipid reserves are a thing, just make sure you have enough ammo that 
your reserves won't go to someone else.

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 11:08 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

I can live off my body fat for much longer than that.

-Original Message- 
From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 9:25 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Trying to put this in the best light, maybe people are preparing for 2+ 
weeks of home quarantine.  But I would run out of food before I ran out of 
toilet paper.

I would like to think that society isn't going to break down to the point 
where I couldn't get Amazon to deliver a box of pasta and canned goods, or 
get someone to bring me some bread and milk and leave it on the porch.

Hand sanitizer though, all the shelves are empty.  Again, I'd like to think 
stores are going to get restocked with the stuff people are panic buying. 
This is not going to be over in the next month.  Please tell me there will 
be more hand sanitizer, toilet paper, pasta and canned peaches, and we're 
not living in a Mad Max movie.

If somebody's grandparents are stuck in their house for 14 days and can't 
get basic supplies delivered because other people scooped everything up, 
well, that would suck.

-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
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Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 9:25 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
> And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior.  Spend the
> money on some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in
> the event that they need help.  WWJD

That requires rational thought. The people that think the best response to 
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Yep, I actually only have soap (actually Dial Complete Foaming Hand Soap
which I suspect is not "soap" at all), and have never used any Purell type
stuff.

But I wouldn't mind having a bottle of alcohol based hand sanitizer for when
I'm on the road.  And we may need masks, gloves and hand sanitizer to
convince customers we're safe to be in their house.  Not sure where you'd
buy any of those things now.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 10:37 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Soap and water actually works better than the sanitizer. The sanitizer is
really handy if you are on the road or something, but soap and water is the
best.

bp


On 3/13/2020 8:25 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Trying to put this in the best light, maybe people are preparing for 2+
weeks of home quarantine.  But I would run out of food before I ran out of
toilet paper.
>
> I would like to think that society isn't going to break down to the point
where I couldn't get Amazon to deliver a box of pasta and canned goods, or
get someone to bring me some bread and milk and leave it on the porch.
>
> Hand sanitizer though, all the shelves are empty.  Again, I'd like to
think stores are going to get restocked with the stuff people are panic
buying.  This is not going to be over in the next month.  Please tell me
there will be more hand sanitizer, toilet paper, pasta and canned peaches,
and we're not living in a Mad Max movie.
>
> If somebody's grandparents are stuck in their house for 14 days and can't
get basic supplies delivered because other people scooped everything up,
well, that would suck.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 9:25 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
> On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
>> And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior.  Spend the 
>> money on some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in 
>> the event that they need help.  WWJD
>
> That requires rational thought. The people that think the best response to
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2020-03-13 Thread castarritt .

Strategic lipid reserves are a thing, just make sure you have enough ammo
that your reserves won't go to someone else.


On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 11:08 AM  wrote:

> I can live off my body fat for much longer than that.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 9:25 AM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
> Trying to put this in the best light, maybe people are preparing for 2+
> weeks of home quarantine.  But I would run out of food before I ran out of
> toilet paper.
>
> I would like to think that society isn't going to break down to the point
> where I couldn't get Amazon to deliver a box of pasta and canned goods, or
> get someone to bring me some bread and milk and leave it on the porch.
>
> Hand sanitizer though, all the shelves are empty.  Again, I'd like to
> think
> stores are going to get restocked with the stuff people are panic buying.
> This is not going to be over in the next month.  Please tell me there will
> be more hand sanitizer, toilet paper, pasta and canned peaches, and we're
> not living in a Mad Max movie.
>
> If somebody's grandparents are stuck in their house for 14 days and can't
> get basic supplies delivered because other people scooped everything up,
> well, that would suck.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 9:25 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
> On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
> > And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior.  Spend the
> > money on some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in
> > the event that they need help.  WWJD
>
>
> That requires rational thought. The people that think the best response to
> all of this is to purchase mass quantities of toilet paper aren't exactly
> top of the smarts chain.
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-13 Thread Adam Moffett

Yeah personally carrying about 50 pounds of rations around at all 
times.  Might be good for me to run out of food.



On 3/13/2020 12:08 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I can live off my body fat for much longer than that.

-Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 9:25 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Trying to put this in the best light, maybe people are preparing for 
2+ weeks of home quarantine.  But I would run out of food before I ran 
out of toilet paper.


I would like to think that society isn't going to break down to the 
point where I couldn't get Amazon to deliver a box of pasta and canned 
goods, or get someone to bring me some bread and milk and leave it on 
the porch.


Hand sanitizer though, all the shelves are empty.  Again, I'd like to 
think stores are going to get restocked with the stuff people are 
panic buying. This is not going to be over in the next month. Please 
tell me there will be more hand sanitizer, toilet paper, pasta and 
canned peaches, and we're not living in a Mad Max movie.


If somebody's grandparents are stuck in their house for 14 days and 
can't get basic supplies delivered because other people scooped 
everything up, well, that would suck.



-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 9:25 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:

And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior.  Spend the
money on some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in
the event that they need help.  WWJD



That requires rational thought. The people that think the best 
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I can live off my body fat for much longer than that.

-Original Message- 
From: Ken Hohhof

Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 9:25 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Trying to put this in the best light, maybe people are preparing for 2+ 
weeks of home quarantine.  But I would run out of food before I ran out of 
toilet paper.

I would like to think that society isn't going to break down to the point 
where I couldn't get Amazon to deliver a box of pasta and canned goods, or 
get someone to bring me some bread and milk and leave it on the porch.

Hand sanitizer though, all the shelves are empty.  Again, I'd like to think 
stores are going to get restocked with the stuff people are panic buying. 
This is not going to be over in the next month.  Please tell me there will 
be more hand sanitizer, toilet paper, pasta and canned peaches, and we're 
not living in a Mad Max movie.

If somebody's grandparents are stuck in their house for 14 days and can't 
get basic supplies delivered because other people scooped everything up, 
well, that would suck.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 9:25 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:

And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior.  Spend the
money on some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in
the event that they need help.  WWJD

That requires rational thought. The people that think the best response to 
all of this is to purchase mass quantities of toilet paper aren't exactly 
top of the smarts chain.

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I have one box for my 22 special.  Not sure it even works.  The ammo is 
probably 30 years old.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 8:49 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

In my experience, firing a weapon in full auto wastes about 8 or 9 out of 10 
shots. If you're intent on killing something, semi auto wins every time with a 
minimum of waste. 

I guess I'm not prepper enough, but if I have 3 boxes of ammo, that's on the 
high side. If I'm going to the range, I might get an extra couple of boxes, but 
that's about it.

bp

On 3/13/2020 5:57 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

  I wonder, does buying an AR count as moronic behavior? I get the more ammo 
thing, 10,000 rounds seems a bit much but to each his own. Don't get me wrong, 
I have a few guns around and maybe a couple thousand rounds.  

  I just think back to when I was a machine gunner in the Marine Corps. We had 
a 3 man crew for the 50 cal M2. The one guy carrying the receiver carried no 
ammo as he was already carrying 60 pounds of metal in addition to everything 
else he had. The other two carried 100 rounds each. 200 rounds for a fully 
automaitc machine gun tasked with the a major part of the fire power on a 
company level for either defense or attack. In addition, the rifle platoons 
each carried 1 box (100 rounds) per squad (13 guys) 3 squads per platoon so a 
total of 300 rounds per platoon. 3 platoons per company. so an additional 900 
rounds for a total of 1100 rounds standard. The company commander might throw 
in a couple of extra boxes per platoon if we didn't have to move more than 15 
miles or so. So call it 2100 rounds on the outside. That is for a known or 
intenional engagement. Nothing works out like you expect so sometimes you go to 
kill someone and nobodies home. Sometimes they aren't where you expect. 
Whatever. The point is that you are looking for a fight and you are carrying at 
most 2100 rounds. Now, if we were lucky enough to drive around in a humvee we 
carried about the same amount of ammo, but with us instead of spread around. 
Closer to 1800 to 2000 rounds.

  Of course there is a supply chain and if the battle is protracted you can 
count on resupply unless everything really goes South.  I know you are counting 
on no supply chain. But man, you are either the worst shot ever, or don't plan 
on doing a lot of aiming or maybe a lot of warning shots. In my experience, 
once the first guy gets shot, a lot less ammo gets used by everyone after the 
initial panic. Seeing someone get shot seems to really encourage people to hide 
more.

  That makes me think, it wasn't that long ago, but I would imagine with all 
the drones equipped with heat signature equipment and the like, the fog of war 
aint what it used to be. We used to count on finding the enemy by sending 
people out to look for them. When you heard a bunch of gunfire, you ran towards 
it because that meant somebody found what you were lookiing for. Seems really 
low tech now.

  On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:05 PM Steve Jones  
wrote:

I went to walmart. Morons everywhere. This is a frenzy. People acting dumb, 
means people will shortly do dumb things. I went and bought an AR and more ammo 
tonite. I just hope these morons stay calm at least till Monday when God 
government let's me pick up the rifle. Wife shut me down on grabbing a 20 gauge 
with a pistol grip for the kids. What I buy tomorrow and dont tell her about is 
a different story. 
Was talking to the lady at walmart. The truck was outside unloading into 
the warehouse more TP and ramen noodles. It will be wash rinse and repeat every 
day as morons moron. They're frantic. The media has people so worked up, it's 
like the world is ending tomorrow. 
I have kids, so I get a fat gubmint check every tax time and fill my pantry 
with nonperishable goods on your dime. It was nice to see that the canned foods 
we picked pretty clean, at least some people do have some common sense. But 
doing an annual shop in the middle of this nonsense is grueling. I had to cut 
out halfway through. These people are crazy. 
I do have my camper ready to quarantine myself. By that, I mean I'm 
planning on sitting in my camper drinking Miller lite, Jameson, and shitposting 
for 2 weeks

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 9:54 PM Robert  wrote:

  The interesting part of that was that Italy was 3rd behind China and S. 
Korea.   I would love a plot of that vs. Emergency beds/breathers...

  On 3/12/20 6:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

Per Vox Media. We're number 1 (in lack of testing). So we are pretty 
much in the dark.

The Trump administration’s slow rollout of testing for coronavirus has 
become something of a national scandal, and it’s easy to see why when you 
compare the US testing rate to that of other affected countries. South Korea 
stands out for its rapid rollout of extensive testing, including through 
innovative drive-through testing programs

Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-13 Thread dave

r 1 (in lack of testing). So we
are pretty much in the dark.

The Trump administration’s slow rollout of testing for
coronavirus has become something of a national scandal, and
it’s easy to see why when you compare the US testing rate to
that of other affected countries. South Korea stands out for
its rapid rollout of extensive testing, including through
innovative drive-through testing programs.

Drive-through testing is being piloted in some parts of the
US, like New Hampshire, but we still have a long way to go
before we match South Korean and Chinese testing levels.


bp


On 3/12/2020 6:06 PM, Robert wrote:

i.e. Ostrich syndrome, the US had it bad.   Still has it
bad.   The one bright note I saw today was the director of
the CDC getting put in a corner to commit to free testing
for C-19 for every person in the US.  No need to actually
work on the actuals of it but the commitment is primary
unless someone fires him...

On 3/12/20 9:55 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


IMO, I think disbanding the pandemic response team in 2018
was not a wise decision. If they were still operating when
this started late last year, they could/would have started
the production of test kits based on our earliest
knowledge of the RNA test needed to identify it. Then we
would have had real information on the extent of the
outbreak here. Instead, we went for weeks under the
mistaken impression that it was not here. It was, we just
had our heads in the sand.


bp


On 3/12/2020 9:48 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

I am going to do a cheap shot here and remind everyone it
is lent.
But before I do that, I am musing about the following:
But I am curious as to what more the US could have done...
If we dropped the ball so did many nations.
No need to reply.
*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 10:44 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
I agree with Carl.
Most of you understand math...this virus is spreading
exponentially...let that sink in. Our current
administration dropped the ball on this one.  Now we are
suffering the consequences.
You can't cure wait for itwait for it.
ineptness.
On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 12:35 PM Carl Peterson
 wrote:

Canceling or rescheduling a conference is by no means
"Breaking down the infrastructure of society".
On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Steve Jones
 wrote:

Breaking down the infrastructure of society over
fear mongering is not being a very responsible
member of society at all. This didnt happen
during swine flu, and we made it though it
On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 PM Carl Peterson
 wrote:

"If you're concerned about getting sick, just
don't go."
IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a
responsible member of society. I'm not
judging, or saying we are at that point, but
there is a point at which the responsible
thing to do is cancel large gatherings to
flatten the curve.
On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman
 wrote:

If you're concerned about getting sick,
just don't go.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean
Heskett  wrote:

I’m sorry folks but this conference
really should be canceled for the
safety of everyone.
Thank you to Sonar For their brave
decision yesterday to pull out.
I know this would be a hardship for
WISPA’s finances so I think we should
all pull together to make sure WISPA
doesn’t suffer financially.  We need
WISPA and our members to be healthy
and strong both physically and
financially.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic

Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Soap and water actually works better than the sanitizer. The sanitizer 
is really handy if you are on the road or something, but soap and water 
is the best.


bp


On 3/13/2020 8:25 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Trying to put this in the best light, maybe people are preparing for 2+ weeks 
of home quarantine.  But I would run out of food before I ran out of toilet 
paper.

I would like to think that society isn't going to break down to the point where 
I couldn't get Amazon to deliver a box of pasta and canned goods, or get 
someone to bring me some bread and milk and leave it on the porch.

Hand sanitizer though, all the shelves are empty.  Again, I'd like to think 
stores are going to get restocked with the stuff people are panic buying.  This 
is not going to be over in the next month.  Please tell me there will be more 
hand sanitizer, toilet paper, pasta and canned peaches, and we're not living in 
a Mad Max movie.

If somebody's grandparents are stuck in their house for 14 days and can't get 
basic supplies delivered because other people scooped everything up, well, that 
would suck.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 9:25 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:

And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior.  Spend the
money on some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in
the event that they need help.  WWJD


That requires rational thought. The people that think the best response to all 
of this is to purchase mass quantities of toilet paper aren't exactly top of 
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-13 Thread Mitch Koep

 Per Vox Media. We're number 1 (in lack of testing). So
we are pretty much in the dark.

The Trump administration’s slow rollout of testing for
coronavirus has become something of a national scandal,
and it’s easy to see why when you compare the US testing
rate to that of other affected countries. South Korea
stands out for its rapid rollout of extensive testing,
including through innovative drive-through testing programs.

Drive-through testing is being piloted in some parts of
the US, like New Hampshire, but we still have a long way
to go before we match South Korean and Chinese testing
levels.


bp


On 3/12/2020 6:06 PM, Robert wrote:

i.e. Ostrich syndrome, the US had it bad.   Still has
it bad.   The one bright note I saw today was the
director of the CDC getting put in a corner to commit
to free testing for C-19 for every person in the US. 
No need to actually work on the actuals of it but the
commitment is primary unless someone fires him...

On 3/12/20 9:55 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


IMO, I think disbanding the pandemic response team in
2018 was not a wise decision. If they were still
operating when this started late last year, they
could/would have started the production of test kits
based on our earliest knowledge of the RNA test needed
to identify it. Then we would have had real
information on the extent of the outbreak here.
Instead, we went for weeks under the mistaken
impression that it was not here. It was, we just had
our heads in the sand.


bp


On 3/12/2020 9:48 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

I am going to do a cheap shot here and remind
everyone it is lent.
But before I do that, I am musing about the following:
But I am curious as to what more the US could have
done...
If we dropped the ball so did many nations.
No need to reply.
*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 10:44 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
I agree with Carl.
Most of you understand math...this virus is spreading
exponentially...let that sink in. Our current
administration dropped the ball on this one. Now we
are suffering the consequences.
You can't cure wait for itwait for it.
ineptness.
On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 12:35 PM Carl Peterson
 wrote:

Canceling or rescheduling a conference is by no
means "Breaking down the infrastructure of society".
On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Steve Jones
 wrote:

Breaking down the infrastructure of society
over fear mongering is not being a very
responsible member of society at all. This
didnt happen during swine flu, and we made it
though it
On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 PM Carl Peterson
 wrote:

"If you're concerned about getting sick,
just don't go."
IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about
being a responsible member of society. 
I'm not judging, or saying we are at that
point, but there is a point at which the
responsible thing to do is cancel large
gatherings to flatten the curve.
On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh
Luthman  wrote:

If you're concerned about getting
sick, just don't go.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean
Heskett  wrote:

I’m sorry folks but this
conference really should be
canceled for the safety of everyone.
Thank you to Sonar For their
brave decision yesterday to pull out.

Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Trying to put this in the best light, maybe people are preparing for 2+ weeks 
of home quarantine.  But I would run out of food before I ran out of toilet 
paper.

I would like to think that society isn't going to break down to the point where 
I couldn't get Amazon to deliver a box of pasta and canned goods, or get 
someone to bring me some bread and milk and leave it on the porch.

Hand sanitizer though, all the shelves are empty.  Again, I'd like to think 
stores are going to get restocked with the stuff people are panic buying.  This 
is not going to be over in the next month.  Please tell me there will be more 
hand sanitizer, toilet paper, pasta and canned peaches, and we're not living in 
a Mad Max movie.

If somebody's grandparents are stuck in their house for 14 days and can't get 
basic supplies delivered because other people scooped everything up, well, that 
would suck.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 9:25 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
> And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior.  Spend the 
> money on some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in 
> the event that they need help.  WWJD

That requires rational thought. The people that think the best response to all 
of this is to purchase mass quantities of toilet paper aren't exactly top of 
the smarts chain.

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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

  From: Jaime
  Solorza 
  Sent: Thursday, March
12, 2020 10:44 AM
  To: AnimalFarm
  Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG]
        COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

  I agree with Carl.
Most of you understand
  math...this virus is spreading
  exponentially...let that sink in.
  Our current administration dropped
  the ball on this one.  Now we are
  suffering the consequences.
You can't cure wait for
  itwait for it. ineptness.

On
  Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 12:35 PM Carl
  Peterson <cpeter...@portnetworks.com>
  wrote:

  Canceling or
rescheduling a conference is by
no means "Breaking down the
infrastructure of society".  

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020
  at 1:27 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
  wrote:

  Breaking down
the infrastructure of
society over fear mongering
is not being a very
responsible member of
society at all. This didnt
happen during swine flu, and
we made it though it

On Wed, Mar 11,
  2020 at 1:19 PM Carl
  Peterson <cpeter...@portnetworks.com>
  wrote:

"If
  you're concerned about
  getting sick, just
  don't go." 

  IMHO, it isn't
about you, it is
about being a
responsible member
of society.  I'm not
judging, or saying
we are at that
point, but there is
a point at which the
responsible thing to
do is cancel large
gatherings to
flatten the curve.  

  On Wed,
Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15
PM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com

Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

osting for
  2 weeks
  
  
  
On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 9:54
  PM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com>
  wrote:


   The interesting part of that was that Italy was
  3rd behind China and S. Korea.   I would love a plot
  of that vs. Emergency beds/breathers...

On 3/12/20 6:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


  Per Vox Media. We're number 1 (in lack of testing).
So we are pretty much in the dark.
  
  
  The Trump administration’s slow rollout of testing
for coronavirus has become something of a national
scandal, and it’s easy to see why when you compare
the US testing rate to that of other affected
countries. South Korea stands out for its rapid
rollout of extensive testing, including through
innovative drive-through testing programs.

Drive-through testing is being piloted in some parts
of the US, like New Hampshire, but we still have a
long way to go before we match South Korean and
Chinese testing levels.
  
  
  bp



  On 3/12/2020 6:06 PM, Robert wrote:
  
   i.e. Ostrich syndrome,
  the US had it bad.   Still has it bad.   The one
  bright note I saw today was the director of the
  CDC getting put in a corner to commit to free
  testing for C-19 for every person in the US.  No
  need to actually work on the actuals of it but the
  commitment is primary unless someone fires him...

On 3/12/20 9:55 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


  IMO, I think disbanding the pandemic response
team in 2018 was not a wise decision. If they
were still operating when this started late last
year, they could/would have started the
production of test kits based on our earliest
knowledge of the RNA test needed to identify it.
Then we would have had real information on the
extent of the outbreak here. Instead, we went
for weeks under the mistaken impression that it
was not here. It was, we just had our heads in
the sand.
  
  
  bp



  On 3/12/2020 9:48 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
wrote:
  
  

  
I am going to do a cheap shot here and
  remind everyone it is lent.  
 
But before I do that, I am musing about
  the following:
But I am curious as to what more the US
  could have done...
If we dropped the ball so did many
  nations.
 
No need to reply.  

  
 

  From: Jaime
  Solorza 
  Sent: Thursday, March 12,
2020 10:44 AM
  To: AnimalFarm
  Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG]
    COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

  
   


  I agree with Carl.
Most of you understand math...this
  virus is spreading exponentially...let
  that sink in. Our current
  administration dropped the ball on
  this one.  Now we are suffering the
  consequences.
You can't cure wait for
  itwait for it...

Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-13 Thread Seth Mattinen


On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior.  Spend the money 
on some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in the event 
that they need help.  WWJD



That requires rational thought. The people that think the best response 
to all of this is to purchase mass quantities of toilet paper aren't 
exactly top of the smarts chain.


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2020-03-13 Thread Christopher Tyler

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- Original Message -
> From: "Adam Moffett" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 8:33:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

> Well you don't need any other supplies if you have enough ammo. If you run out
> of something you just go shoot your neighbor and take his stuff. Ten thousand
> rounds sounds like a lot, but it's not when you have 300,000,000 neighbors.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 3/13/2020 8:57 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I wonder, does buying an AR count as moronic behavior? I get the more ammo
> thing, 10,000 rounds seems a bit much but to each his own. Don't get me wrong,
> I have a few guns around and maybe a couple thousand rounds.
> 
> I just think back to when I was a machine gunner in the Marine Corps. We had 
> a 3
> man crew for the 50 cal M2. The one guy carrying the receiver carried no ammo
> as he was already carrying 60 pounds of metal in addition to everything else 
> he
> had. The other two carried 100 rounds each. 200 rounds for a fully automaitc
> machine gun tasked with the a major part of the fire power on a company level
> for either defense or attack. In addition, the rifle platoons each carried 1
> box (100 rounds) per squad (13 guys) 3 squads per platoon so a total of 300
> rounds per platoon. 3 platoons per company. so an additional 900 rounds for a
> total of 1100 rounds standard. The company commander might throw in a couple 
> of
> extra boxes per platoon if we didn't have to move more than 15 miles or so. So
> call it 2100 rounds on the outside. That is for a known or intenional
> engagement. Nothing works out like you expect so sometimes you go to kill
> someone and nobodies home. Sometimes they aren't where you expect. Whatever.
> The point is that you are looking for a fight and you are carrying at most 
> 2100
> rounds. Now, if we were lucky enough to drive around in a humvee we carried
> about the same amount of ammo, but with us instead of spread around. Closer to
> 1800 to 2000 rounds.
> 
> Of course there is a supply chain and if the battle is protracted you can 
> count
> on resupply unless everything really goes South. I know you are counting on no
> supply chain. But man, you are either the worst shot ever, or don't plan on
> doing a lot of aiming or maybe a lot of warning shots. In my experience, once
> the first guy gets shot, a lot less ammo gets used by everyone after the
> initial panic. Seeing someone get shot seems to really encourage people to 
> hide
> more.
> 
> That makes me think, it wasn't that long ago, but I would imagine with all the
> drones equipped with heat signature equipment and the like, the fog of war 
> aint
> what it used to be. We used to count on finding the enemy by sending people 
> out
> to look for them. When you heard a bunch of gunfire, you ran towards it 
> because
> that meant somebody found what you were lookiing for. Seems really low tech
> now.
> 
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:05 PM Steve Jones < [
> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com | thatoneguyst...@gmail.com ] > wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I went to walmart. Morons everywhere. This is a frenzy. People acting dumb,
> means people will shortly do dumb things. I went and bought an AR and more 
> ammo
> tonite. I just hope these morons stay calm at least till Monday when God
> government let's me pick up the rifle. Wife shut me down on grabbing a 20 
> gauge
> with a pistol grip for the kids. What I buy tomorrow and dont tell her about 
> is
> a different story.
> Was talking to the lady at walmart. The truck was outside unloading into the
> warehouse more TP and ramen noodles. It will be wash rinse and repeat every 
> day
> as morons moron. They're frantic. The media has people so worked up, it's like
> the world is ending tomorrow.
> I have kids, so I get a fat gubmint check every tax time and fill my pantry 
> with
> nonperishable goods on your dime. It was nice to see that the canned foods we
> picked pretty clean, at least some people do have some common sense. But doing
> an annual shop in the middle of this nonsense is grueling. I had to cut out
> halfway through. These people are crazy.
> I do have my camper ready to quarantine myself. By that, I mean I'm planning 
> on
> sitting in my camper drinking Miller lite, Jameson, and shitposting for 2 
> weeks
> 
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 9:54 PM Robert < [ mailto:i...@avantwireless.com |
> i...@avantwireless.com ] > wrote:
> 
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-13 Thread Carl Peterson

 to see why when you
>>> compare the US testing rate to that of other affected countries. South
>>> Korea stands out for its rapid rollout of extensive testing, including
>>> through innovative drive-through testing programs.
>>>
>>> Drive-through testing is being piloted in some parts of the US, like New
>>> Hampshire, but we still have a long way to go before we match South Korean
>>> and Chinese testing levels.
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/12/2020 6:06 PM, Robert wrote:
>>>
>>> i.e. Ostrich syndrome, the US had it bad.   Still has it bad.   The one
>>> bright note I saw today was the director of the CDC getting put in a corner
>>> to commit to free testing for C-19 for every person in the US.  No need to
>>> actually work on the actuals of it but the commitment is primary unless
>>> someone fires him...
>>>
>>> On 3/12/20 9:55 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>>
>>> IMO, I think disbanding the pandemic response team in 2018 was not a
>>> wise decision. If they were still operating when this started late last
>>> year, they could/would have started the production of test kits based on
>>> our earliest knowledge of the RNA test needed to identify it. Then we would
>>> have had real information on the extent of the outbreak here. Instead, we
>>> went for weeks under the mistaken impression that it was not here. It was,
>>> we just had our heads in the sand.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/12/2020 9:48 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>
>>> I am going to do a cheap shot here and remind everyone it is lent.
>>>
>>> But before I do that, I am musing about the following:
>>> But I am curious as to what more the US could have done...
>>> If we dropped the ball so did many nations.
>>>
>>> No need to reply.
>>>
>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 10:44 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>>>
>>> I agree with Carl.
>>> Most of you understand math...this virus is spreading
>>> exponentially...let that sink in. Our current administration dropped the
>>> ball on this one.  Now we are suffering the consequences.
>>> You can't cure wait for itwait for it. ineptness.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 12:35 PM Carl Peterson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Canceling or rescheduling a conference is by no means "Breaking down
>>>> the infrastructure of society".
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Steve Jones 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Breaking down the infrastructure of society over fear mongering is not
>>>>> being a very responsible member of society at all. This didnt happen 
>>>>> during
>>>>> swine flu, and we made it though it
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 PM Carl Peterson <
>>>>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible member of
>>>>>> society.  I'm not judging, or saying we are at that point, but there is a
>>>>>> point at which the responsible thing to do is cancel large gatherings to
>>>>>> flatten the curve.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman <
>>>>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for
>>>>>>>> the safety of everyone.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
&

Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-13 Thread Adam Moffett

South Korean and Chinese testing levels.

On 3/12/2020 6:06 PM, Robert wrote:

i.e. Ostrich syndrome, the US had it bad. Still has it
bad. The one bright note I saw today was the director of
the CDC getting put in a corner to commit to free testing
for C-19 for every person in the US. No need to actually
work on the actuals of it but the commitment is primary
unless someone fires him...

On 3/12/20 9:55 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

IMO, I think disbanding the pandemic response team in 2018
was not a wise decision. If they were still operating when
this started late last year, they could/would have started
the production of test kits based on our earliest knowledge
of the RNA test needed to identify it. Then we would have
had real information on the extent of the outbreak here.
Instead, we went for weeks under the mistaken impression
that it was not here. It was, we just had our heads in the
sand.

On 3/12/2020 9:48 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

I am going to do a cheap shot here and remind everyone it
is lent.
But before I do that, I am musing about the following:
But I am curious as to what more the US could have done...
If we dropped the ball so did many nations.
No need to reply.
*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 10:44 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
I agree with Carl.
Most of you understand math...this virus is spreading
exponentially...let that sink in. Our current
administration dropped the ball on this one. Now we are
suffering the consequences.
You can't cure wait for itwait for it. ineptness.
On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 12:35 PM Carl Peterson
wrote:

Canceling or rescheduling a conference is by no means
"Breaking down the infrastructure of society".
On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Steve Jones
wrote:

Breaking down the infrastructure of society over
fear mongering is not being a very responsible
member of society at all. This didnt happen during
swine flu, and we made it though it
On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 PM Carl Peterson
wrote:

"If you're concerned about getting sick, just
don't go."
IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a
responsible member of society. I'm not
judging, or saying we are at that point, but
there is a point at which the responsible
thing to do is cancel large gatherings to
flatten the curve.
On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman
wrote:

If you're concerned about getting sick,
just don't go.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean
Heskett wrote:

I’m sorry folks but this conference
really should be canceled for the
safety of everyone.
Thank you to Sonar For their brave
decision yesterday to pull out.
I know this would be a hardship for
WISPA’s finances so I think we should
all pull together to make sure WISPA
doesn’t suffer financially. We need
WISPA and our members to be healthy
and strong both physically and
financially.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-13 Thread Lewis Bergman

or every person in the US.  No need to
>> actually work on the actuals of it but the commitment is primary unless
>> someone fires him...
>>
>> On 3/12/20 9:55 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>
>> IMO, I think disbanding the pandemic response team in 2018 was not a wise
>> decision. If they were still operating when this started late last year,
>> they could/would have started the production of test kits based on our
>> earliest knowledge of the RNA test needed to identify it. Then we would
>> have had real information on the extent of the outbreak here. Instead, we
>> went for weeks under the mistaken impression that it was not here. It was,
>> we just had our heads in the sand.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 3/12/2020 9:48 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> I am going to do a cheap shot here and remind everyone it is lent.
>>
>> But before I do that, I am musing about the following:
>> But I am curious as to what more the US could have done...
>> If we dropped the ball so did many nations.
>>
>> No need to reply.
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 10:44 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>>
>> I agree with Carl.
>> Most of you understand math...this virus is spreading exponentially...let
>> that sink in. Our current administration dropped the ball on this one.  Now
>> we are suffering the consequences.
>> You can't cure wait for itwait for it. ineptness.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 12:35 PM Carl Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Canceling or rescheduling a conference is by no means "Breaking down the
>>> infrastructure of society".
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Breaking down the infrastructure of society over fear mongering is not
>>>> being a very responsible member of society at all. This didnt happen during
>>>> swine flu, and we made it though it
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 PM Carl Peterson <
>>>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."
>>>>>
>>>>> IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible member of
>>>>> society.  I'm not judging, or saying we are at that point, but there is a
>>>>> point at which the responsible thing to do is cancel large gatherings to
>>>>> flatten the curve.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman <
>>>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for
>>>>>>> the safety of everyone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we
>>>>>>> should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially. 
>>>>>>>  We
>>>>>>> need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
>>>>>>> financially.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Sean
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-12 Thread Robert

i.e. Ostrich syndrome, the US had it bad. Still has it bad. The one
bright note I saw today was the director of the CDC getting put in a
corner to commit to free testing for C-19 for every person in the US.
No need to actually work on the actuals of it but the commitment is
primary unless someone fires him...

On 3/12/20 9:55 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

IMO, I think disbanding the pandemic response team in 2018 was not a
wise decision. If they were still operating when this started late
last year, they could/would have started the production of test kits
based on our earliest knowledge of the RNA test needed to identify it.
Then we would have had real information on the extent of the outbreak
here. Instead, we went for weeks under the mistaken impression that it
was not here. It was, we just had our heads in the sand.

On 3/12/2020 9:48 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I am going to do a cheap shot here and remind everyone it is lent.
But before I do that, I am musing about the following:
But I am curious as to what more the US could have done...
If we dropped the ball so did many nations.
No need to reply.
*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 10:44 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
I agree with Carl.
Most of you understand math...this virus is spreading
exponentially...let that sink in. Our current administration dropped
the ball on this one. Now we are suffering the consequences.

You can't cure wait for itwait for it. ineptness.
On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 12:35 PM Carl Peterson
wrote:

Canceling or rescheduling a conference is by no means "Breaking
down the infrastructure of society".
On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Steve Jones
wrote:

Breaking down the infrastructure of society over fear
mongering is not being a very responsible member of society
at all. This didnt happen during swine flu, and we made it
though it
On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 PM Carl Peterson
wrote:

"If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."
IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible
member of society. I'm not judging, or saying we are at
that point, but there is a point at which the responsible
thing to do is cancel large gatherings to flatten the curve.
On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman
wrote:

If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett
wrote:

I’m sorry folks but this conference really should
be canceled for the safety of everyone.
Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision
yesterday to pull out.
I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s
finances so I think we should all pull together
to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.
We need WISPA and our members to be healthy and
strong both physically and financially.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-12 Thread Robert

just saw news that said the beds available in Italy per 1K was 34 and US 
was 29...  bumpy road ahead...


On 3/12/20 9:44 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

I agree with Carl.
Most of you understand math...this virus is spreading 
exponentially...let that sink in. Our current administration dropped 
the ball on this one.  Now we are suffering the consequences.

You can't cure wait for itwait for it. ineptness.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 12:35 PM Carl Peterson 
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:


Canceling or rescheduling a conference is by no means "Breaking
down the infrastructure of society".

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Breaking down the infrastructure of society over fear
mongering is not being a very responsible member of society at
all. This didnt happen during swine flu, and we made it though it

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 PM Carl Peterson
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:

"If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."

IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible
member of society.  I'm not judging, or saying we are at
that point, but there is a point at which the responsible
thing to do is cancel large gatherings to flatten the curve.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

I’m sorry folks but this conference really should
be canceled for the safety of everyone.

Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision
yesterday to pull out.

I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s
finances so I think we should all pull together to
make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We
need WISPA and our members to be healthy and
strong both physically and financially.


https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference

https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-12 Thread Cameron Crum

NNNDDD...they caved. Canceled!

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 1:58 PM Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> This seems to be under the heading of Lint. I'm no fan but I doubt any of
> the people who have recently sought the job would do any better. In fact,
> at this point only South Korea seems to be on top of things. They came up
> with a novel approach with drive through testing that is credited with
> allowing for twice the testing numbers with lower exposure rates. They were
> one of the first hit and reacted pretty swiftly.
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:45 AM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> I agree with Carl.
>> Most of you understand math...this virus is spreading exponentially...let
>> that sink in. Our current administration dropped the ball on this one.  Now
>> we are suffering the consequences.
>> You can't cure wait for itwait for it. ineptness.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 12:35 PM Carl Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Canceling or rescheduling a conference is by no means "Breaking down the
>>> infrastructure of society".
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Breaking down the infrastructure of society over fear mongering is not
 being a very responsible member of society at all. This didnt happen during
 swine flu, and we made it though it

 On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 PM Carl Peterson <
 cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:

> "If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."
>
> IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible member of
> society.  I'm not judging, or saying we are at that point, but there is a
> point at which the responsible thing to do is cancel large gatherings to
> flatten the curve.
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for
>>> the safety of everyone.
>>>
>>> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>>>
>>> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we
>>> should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially. 
>>>  We
>>> need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
>>> financially.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> -Sean
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-12 Thread Lewis Bergman

This seems to be under the heading of Lint. I'm no fan but I doubt any of
the people who have recently sought the job would do any better. In fact,
at this point only South Korea seems to be on top of things. They came up
with a novel approach with drive through testing that is credited with
allowing for twice the testing numbers with lower exposure rates. They were
one of the first hit and reacted pretty swiftly.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:45 AM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> I agree with Carl.
> Most of you understand math...this virus is spreading exponentially...let
> that sink in. Our current administration dropped the ball on this one.  Now
> we are suffering the consequences.
> You can't cure wait for itwait for it. ineptness.
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 12:35 PM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> Canceling or rescheduling a conference is by no means "Breaking down the
>> infrastructure of society".
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Breaking down the infrastructure of society over fear mongering is not
>>> being a very responsible member of society at all. This didnt happen during
>>> swine flu, and we made it though it
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 PM Carl Peterson <
>>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:
>>>
 "If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."

 IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible member of
 society.  I'm not judging, or saying we are at that point, but there is a
 point at which the responsible thing to do is cancel large gatherings to
 flatten the curve.

 On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
>> safety of everyone.
>>
>> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>>
>> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we
>> should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  
>> We
>> need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
>> financially.
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-12 Thread Steve Jones

my dad goes to wisconsin to catch your fish for illinois fish frys. crisco
makes a butter flavor, its awesome for a fish fry
we also get string chees and curds from wisconsin
when i start glassing places, wisconsin is safe

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 12:40 PM Keefe John  wrote:

> Even more so a Wisconsin thing. :)
>
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> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 12:31 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
>> We should have a fish fry.   Is that only a Midwest thing?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *
>> ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 11:48 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>>
>>
>>
>> I am going to do a cheap shot here and remind everyone it is lent.
>>
>>
>>
>> But before I do that, I am musing about the following:
>>
>> But I am curious as to what more the US could have done...
>>
>> If we dropped the ball so did many nations.
>>
>>
>>
>> No need to reply.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 10:44 AM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree with Carl.
>>
>> Most of you understand math...this virus is spreading exponentially...let
>> that sink in. Our current administration dropped the ball on this one.  Now
>> we are suffering the consequences.
>>
>> You can't cure wait for itwait for it. ineptness.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 12:35 PM Carl Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Canceling or rescheduling a conference is by no means "Breaking down the
>> infrastructure of society".
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Breaking down the infrastructure of society over fear mongering is not
>> being a very responsible member of society at all. This didnt happen during
>> swine flu, and we made it though it
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 PM Carl Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> "If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."
>>
>>
>>
>> IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible member of
>> society.  I'm not judging, or saying we are at that point, but there is a
>> point at which the responsible thing to do is cancel large gatherings to
>> flatten the curve.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>> If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
>> safety of everyone.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>>
>>
>>
>> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should
>> all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We need
>> WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
>> financially.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>>
>>
>>
>> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-12 Thread Steve Jones

the pandemic response team had no plan in play post swine flu. they were
disbanded, rightfully for not doing their job. period
lent

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:56 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> IMO, I think disbanding the pandemic response team in 2018 was not a wise
> decision. If they were still operating when this started late last year,
> they could/would have started the production of test kits based on our
> earliest knowledge of the RNA test needed to identify it. Then we would
> have had real information on the extent of the outbreak here. Instead, we
> went for weeks under the mistaken impression that it was not here. It was,
> we just had our heads in the sand.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/12/2020 9:48 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I am going to do a cheap shot here and remind everyone it is lent.
>
> But before I do that, I am musing about the following:
> But I am curious as to what more the US could have done...
> If we dropped the ball so did many nations.
>
> No need to reply.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 10:44 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
> I agree with Carl.
> Most of you understand math...this virus is spreading exponentially...let
> that sink in. Our current administration dropped the ball on this one.  Now
> we are suffering the consequences.
> You can't cure wait for itwait for it. ineptness.
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 12:35 PM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> Canceling or rescheduling a conference is by no means "Breaking down the
>> infrastructure of society".
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Breaking down the infrastructure of society over fear mongering is not
>>> being a very responsible member of society at all. This didnt happen during
>>> swine flu, and we made it though it
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 PM Carl Peterson <
>>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."
>>>>
>>>> IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible member of
>>>> society.  I'm not judging, or saying we are at that point, but there is a
>>>> point at which the responsible thing to do is cancel large gatherings to
>>>> flatten the curve.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman <
>>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.
>>>>>
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
>>>>>> safety of everyone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we
>>>>>> should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  
>>>>>> We
>>>>>> need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
>>>>>> financially.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Sean
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-12 Thread Bill Prince


  
  
Grew up in the Midwest. My parents were fishing nuts. We had
  fishing vacations almost every year. In the summer, we would go to
  MN for freshwater fishing (Walleye, Bass, Crappy, etc.). In the
  fall, my folks would go to WI to get river Sturgeon. The Sturgeon
  were huge, and we would have a big fish fry afterward. My dad
  loved Sturgeon because they had no bones. Tasted good too. I
  haven't had Sturgeon in several decades. We have it in the delta
  NE of here, but I've never had any.


bp



On 3/12/2020 11:03 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  

  I grew up in the pacific northwest.  Surgeon sometimes
was fantastic, sometimes was so nasty fishy you could not
eat it.  I guess it has to do with the preparation.  
  

   
  
From: Bill
Prince 
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 11:50 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and
  WISPAmerica
  

 
  
  
Generally, MN fish are better than WI fish.  Excepting
  sturgeon.
 
bp



On 3/12/2020 10:47 AM, Carl
  Peterson wrote:


  
We have them in MN as well, but that's
  pretty much the same as Wisconsin except with better
  everything.  
 

  On Thu, Mar 12, 2020
at 12:43 PM James Howard <ja...@litewire.net>
wrote:
  
  

  
Well we have them
pretty much year round in Wisconsin but I
thought other places had them during Lent
too.
 

  
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com]
On Behalf Of Keefe John
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020
12:39 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and
    WISPAmerica
  

 

  Even more so a Wisconsin
thing. :)
  
 

  

  

  

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John
  
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On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at
  12:31 PM James Howard <ja.

Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-12 Thread Keefe John

The staple Wisconsin fish fry is cod or haddock but some places have perch,
bluegill, or walleye.

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On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 1:03 PM  wrote:

> I grew up in the pacific northwest.  Surgeon sometimes was fantastic,
> sometimes was so nasty fishy you could not eat it.  I guess it has to do
> with the preparation.
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 11:50 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
>
> Generally, MN fish are better than WI fish.  Excepting sturgeon.
>
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/12/2020 10:47 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
>
> We have them in MN as well, but that's pretty much the same as Wisconsin
> except with better everything.
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 12:43 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
>> Well we have them pretty much year round in Wisconsin but I thought other
>> places had them during Lent too.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Keefe John
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 12:39 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>>
>>
>>
>> Even more so a Wisconsin thing. :)
>>
>>
>>
>> Keefe John
>>
>> CEO
>>
>> Ethoplex
>> Direct: 262.345.5200
>>
>> 
>> Ethoplex Business Internet
>> http://www.ethoplex.com/
>> Signal Residential Internet
>> http://www.signalisp.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/keefejohn/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 12:31 PM James Howard  wrote:
>>
>> We should have a fish fry.   Is that only a Midwest thing?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *
>> ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 11:48 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>>
>>
>>
>> I am going to do a cheap shot here and remind everyone it is lent.
>>
>>
>>
>> But before I do that, I am musing about the following:
>>
>> But I am curious as to what more the US could have done...
>>
>> If we dropped the ball so did many nations.
>>
>>
>>
>> No need to reply.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 10:44 AM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree with Carl.
>>
>> Most of you understand math...this virus is spreading exponentially...let
>> that sink in. Our current administration dropped the ball on this one.  Now
>> we are suffering the consequences.
>>
>> You can't cure wait for itwait for it. ineptness.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 12:35 PM Carl Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Canceling or rescheduling a conference is by no means "Breaking down the
>> infrastructure of society".
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Breaking down the infrastructure of society over fear mongering is not
>> being a very responsible member of society at all. This didnt happen during
>> swine flu, and we made it though it
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 PM Carl Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> "If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."
>>
>>
>>
>> IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible member of
>> society.  I'm not judging, or saying we are at that point, but there is a
>> point at which the responsible thing to do is cancel large gatherings to
>> flatten the curve.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>> If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
>> safety of everyone.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank

Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-12 Thread chuck

I grew up in the pacific northwest.  Surgeon sometimes was fantastic, sometimes 
was so nasty fishy you could not eat it.  I guess it has to do with the 
preparation.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 11:50 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Generally, MN fish are better than WI fish.  Excepting sturgeon.

bp

On 3/12/2020 10:47 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:

  We have them in MN as well, but that's pretty much the same as Wisconsin 
except with better everything.  

  On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 12:43 PM James Howard  wrote:

Well we have them pretty much year round in Wisconsin but I thought other 
places had them during Lent too.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Keefe John
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 12:39 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Even more so a Wisconsin thing. :)

Keefe John

CEO

Ethoplex 
Direct: 262.345.5200 

Ethoplex Business Internet 
http://www.ethoplex.com/ 
Signal Residential Internet 
http://www.signalisp.com/ 

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On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 12:31 PM James Howard  wrote:

  We should have a fish fry.   Is that only a Midwest thing?

  From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 11:48 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

  I am going to do a cheap shot here and remind everyone it is lent.  

  But before I do that, I am musing about the following:

  But I am curious as to what more the US could have done...

  If we dropped the ball so did many nations.

  No need to reply.  

  From: Jaime Solorza 

  Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 10:44 AM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

  I agree with Carl. 

  Most of you understand math...this virus is spreading exponentially...let 
that sink in. Our current administration dropped the ball on this one.  Now we 
are suffering the consequences.

  You can't cure wait for itwait for it. ineptness. 

  On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 12:35 PM Carl Peterson  
wrote:

Canceling or rescheduling a conference is by no means "Breaking down 
the infrastructure of society".  

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Steve Jones  
wrote:

  Breaking down the infrastructure of society over fear mongering is 
not being a very responsible member of society at all. This didnt happen during 
swine flu, and we made it though it

  On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 PM Carl Peterson 
 wrote:

"If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."  

IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible member of 
society.  I'm not judging, or saying we are at that point, but there is a point 
at which the responsible thing to do is cancel large gatherings to flatten the 
curve.   

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

  If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett  
wrote:

I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled 
for the safety of everyone.

Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull 
out.

I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think 
we should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We 
need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and 
financially.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference

https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

Best regards,

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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-12 Thread Bill Prince


  
  
Generally, MN fish are better than WI fish.  Excepting sturgeon.


bp



On 3/12/2020 10:47 AM, Carl Peterson
  wrote:


  
  
We have them in MN as well, but that's pretty
  much the same as Wisconsin except with better everything.  


  On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at
12:43 PM James Howard <ja...@litewire.net>
wrote:
  
  

  
Well
we have them pretty much year round in Wisconsin but
I thought other places had them during Lent too.
 

  
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com]
On Behalf Of Keefe John
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 12:39 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
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    WISPAmerica
  

 

  Even more so a Wisconsin thing.
:)
  



  

  

  

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On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 12:31
  PM James Howard <ja...@litewire.net>
  wrote:
  
  

  
We
should have a fish fry.   Is that only a
Midwest thing?
 

  
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com]
On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020
11:48 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group <af@af.afmug.com>
        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and
    WISPAmerica
  

 

  

  I
  am going to do a cheap shot here and
  remind everyone it is lent. 



   


  But
  before I do that, I am musing about
  the following:


  But
  I am curious as to what more the US
  could have done...


  If
  we dropped the ball so did many
  nations.


   


  No

Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-12 Thread Carl Peterson

We have them in MN as well, but that's pretty much the same as Wisconsin
except with better everything.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 12:43 PM James Howard  wrote:

> Well we have them pretty much year round in Wisconsin but I thought other
> places had them during Lent too.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Keefe John
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 12:39 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
>
>
> Even more so a Wisconsin thing. :)
>
>
> Keefe John
>
> CEO
>
> Ethoplex
> Direct: 262.345.5200
>
> 
> Ethoplex Business Internet
> http://www.ethoplex.com/
> Signal Residential Internet
> http://www.signalisp.com/
>
>
>
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/keefejohn/
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 12:31 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
> We should have a fish fry.   Is that only a Midwest thing?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 11:48 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
>
>
> I am going to do a cheap shot here and remind everyone it is lent.
>
>
>
> But before I do that, I am musing about the following:
>
> But I am curious as to what more the US could have done...
>
> If we dropped the ball so did many nations.
>
>
>
> No need to reply.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 10:44 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
>
>
> I agree with Carl.
>
> Most of you understand math...this virus is spreading exponentially...let
> that sink in. Our current administration dropped the ball on this one.  Now
> we are suffering the consequences.
>
> You can't cure wait for itwait for it. ineptness.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 12:35 PM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
> Canceling or rescheduling a conference is by no means "Breaking down the
> infrastructure of society".
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> Breaking down the infrastructure of society over fear mongering is not
> being a very responsible member of society at all. This didnt happen during
> swine flu, and we made it though it
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 PM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
> "If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."
>
>
>
> IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible member of
> society.  I'm not judging, or saying we are at that point, but there is a
> point at which the responsible thing to do is cancel large gatherings to
> flatten the curve.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
> safety of everyone.
>
>
>
> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>
>
>
> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should
> all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We need
> WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
> financially.
>
>
>
>
> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>
>
>
> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> -Sean
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-12 Thread James Howard

Well we have them pretty much year round in Wisconsin but I thought other 
places had them during Lent too.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Keefe John
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 12:39 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Even more so a Wisconsin thing. :)

Keefe John
CEO
Ethoplex
Direct: 262.345.5200

Ethoplex Business Internet
http://www.ethoplex.com/
Signal Residential Internet
http://www.signalisp.com/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/keefejohn/

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 12:31 PM James Howard 
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
We should have a fish fry.   Is that only a Midwest thing?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>] On 
Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 11:48 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

I am going to do a cheap shot here and remind everyone it is lent.

But before I do that, I am musing about the following:
But I am curious as to what more the US could have done...
If we dropped the ball so did many nations.

No need to reply.

From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 10:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

I agree with Carl.
Most of you understand math...this virus is spreading exponentially...let that 
sink in. Our current administration dropped the ball on this one.  Now we are 
suffering the consequences.
You can't cure wait for itwait for it. ineptness.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 12:35 PM Carl Peterson 
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:
Canceling or rescheduling a conference is by no means "Breaking down the 
infrastructure of society".

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Breaking down the infrastructure of society over fear mongering is not being a 
very responsible member of society at all. This didnt happen during swine flu, 
and we made it though it

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 PM Carl Peterson 
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:
"If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."

IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible member of society.  
I'm not judging, or saying we are at that point, but there is a point at which 
the responsible thing to do is cancel large gatherings to flatten the curve.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the safety of 
everyone.

Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.

I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should all 
pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We need WISPA and 
our members to be healthy and strong both physically and financially.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference

https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

Best regards,

-Sean

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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-12 Thread Keefe John

Even more so a Wisconsin thing. :)

Keefe John
CEO
Ethoplex
Direct: 262.345.5200

Ethoplex Business Internet
http://www.ethoplex.com/
Signal Residential Internet
http://www.signalisp.com/

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On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 12:31 PM James Howard  wrote:

> We should have a fish fry.   Is that only a Midwest thing?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 11:48 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
>
>
> I am going to do a cheap shot here and remind everyone it is lent.
>
>
>
> But before I do that, I am musing about the following:
>
> But I am curious as to what more the US could have done...
>
> If we dropped the ball so did many nations.
>
>
>
> No need to reply.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 10:44 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
>
>
> I agree with Carl.
>
> Most of you understand math...this virus is spreading exponentially...let
> that sink in. Our current administration dropped the ball on this one.  Now
> we are suffering the consequences.
>
> You can't cure wait for itwait for it. ineptness.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 12:35 PM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
> Canceling or rescheduling a conference is by no means "Breaking down the
> infrastructure of society".
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> Breaking down the infrastructure of society over fear mongering is not
> being a very responsible member of society at all. This didnt happen during
> swine flu, and we made it though it
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 PM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
> "If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."
>
>
>
> IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible member of
> society.  I'm not judging, or saying we are at that point, but there is a
> point at which the responsible thing to do is cancel large gatherings to
> flatten the curve.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
> safety of everyone.
>
>
>
> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>
>
>
> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should
> all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We need
> WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
> financially.
>
>
>
>
> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>
>
>
> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> -Sean
>
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2020-03-12 Thread James Howard

We should have a fish fry.   Is that only a Midwest thing?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 11:48 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

I am going to do a cheap shot here and remind everyone it is lent.

But before I do that, I am musing about the following:
But I am curious as to what more the US could have done...
If we dropped the ball so did many nations.

No need to reply.

From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 10:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

I agree with Carl.
Most of you understand math...this virus is spreading exponentially...let that 
sink in. Our current administration dropped the ball on this one.  Now we are 
suffering the consequences.
You can't cure wait for itwait for it. ineptness.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 12:35 PM Carl Peterson 
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:
Canceling or rescheduling a conference is by no means "Breaking down the 
infrastructure of society".

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Breaking down the infrastructure of society over fear mongering is not being a 
very responsible member of society at all. This didnt happen during swine flu, 
and we made it though it

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 PM Carl Peterson 
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:
"If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."

IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible member of society.  
I'm not judging, or saying we are at that point, but there is a point at which 
the responsible thing to do is cancel large gatherings to flatten the curve.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the safety of 
everyone.

Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.

I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should all 
pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We need WISPA and 
our members to be healthy and strong both physically and financially.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference

https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

Best regards,

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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-12 Thread Bill Prince


  
  
IMO, I think disbanding the pandemic response team in 2018 was
  not a wise decision. If they were still operating when this
  started late last year, they could/would have started the
  production of test kits based on our earliest knowledge of the RNA
  test needed to identify it. Then we would have had real
  information on the extent of the outbreak here. Instead, we went
  for weeks under the mistaken impression that it was not here. It
  was, we just had our heads in the sand.


bp



On 3/12/2020 9:48 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  

  I am going to do a cheap shot here and remind everyone it
is lent.  
   
  But before I do that, I am musing about the following:
  But I am curious as to what more the US could have
done...
  If we dropped the ball so did many nations.
   
  No need to reply.  
  

   
  
From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 10:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and
  WISPAmerica
  

 
  
  
I agree with Carl.
  Most of you understand math...this virus is spreading
exponentially...let that sink in. Our current
administration dropped the ball on this one.  Now we are
suffering the consequences.
  You can't cure wait for itwait for it.
ineptness. 

 

  On Wed, Mar 11, 2020,
12:35 PM Carl Peterson <cpeter...@portnetworks.com>
wrote:
  
  
Canceling or rescheduling a conference is
  by no means "Breaking down the infrastructure of
  society".  
 

  On Wed, Mar 11, 2020
at 1:27 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:
  
  
Breaking down the infrastructure of
  society over fear mongering is not being a very
  responsible member of society at all. This didnt
  happen during swine flu, and we made it though it
 

  On Wed, Mar 11,
2020 at 1:19 PM Carl Peterson <cpeter...@portnetworks.com>
wrote:
  
  

  "If you're concerned about
getting sick, just don't go." 
 
IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about
  being a responsible member of society. 
  I'm not judging, or saying we are at that
  point, but there is a point at which the
  responsible thing to do is cancel large
  gatherings to flatten the curve.   
  
   
  
On Wed,
  Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
  wrote:


  If you're concerned about
getting sick, just don't go.

  

   
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  Office: 937-552-2340
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  Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean
  Heskett <af...@zirkel.us>
  wrote:


  I’m sorry folks but this
conference really should be canceled

Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-12 Thread chuck

I am going to do a cheap shot here and remind everyone it is lent.  

But before I do that, I am musing about the following:
But I am curious as to what more the US could have done...
If we dropped the ball so did many nations.

No need to reply.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 10:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

I agree with Carl. 
Most of you understand math...this virus is spreading exponentially...let that 
sink in. Our current administration dropped the ball on this one.  Now we are 
suffering the consequences.
You can't cure wait for itwait for it. ineptness. 

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 12:35 PM Carl Peterson  wrote:

  Canceling or rescheduling a conference is by no means "Breaking down the 
infrastructure of society".  

  On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

Breaking down the infrastructure of society over fear mongering is not 
being a very responsible member of society at all. This didnt happen during 
swine flu, and we made it though it

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 PM Carl Peterson  
wrote:

  "If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."  

  IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible member of 
society.  I'm not judging, or saying we are at that point, but there is a point 
at which the responsible thing to do is cancel large gatherings to flatten the 
curve.   

  On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.


Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

  I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the 
safety of everyone.

  Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.

  I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we 
should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We 
need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and 
financially.

  
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference

  https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

  Best regards,

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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-12 Thread Jaime Solorza

I agree with Carl.
Most of you understand math...this virus is spreading exponentially...let
that sink in. Our current administration dropped the ball on this one.  Now
we are suffering the consequences.
You can't cure wait for itwait for it. ineptness.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 12:35 PM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> Canceling or rescheduling a conference is by no means "Breaking down the
> infrastructure of society".
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Breaking down the infrastructure of society over fear mongering is not
>> being a very responsible member of society at all. This didnt happen during
>> swine flu, and we made it though it
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 PM Carl Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."
>>>
>>> IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible member of
>>> society.  I'm not judging, or saying we are at that point, but there is a
>>> point at which the responsible thing to do is cancel large gatherings to
>>> flatten the curve.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
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 On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
> safety of everyone.
>
> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>
> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we
> should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  
> We
> need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
> financially.
>
>
> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>
> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>
> Best regards,
>
> -Sean
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

youre pushing the limits of reality now. swine flu, hundreds of thousands
sick, nobody ran out of beds. the tripe you believe about beds is the
current active bed count. every year, every state in the nations healthcare
systems go through disaster preparedness, including pandemic. there are
millions of identified beds nationwide that will go into play, and that not
counting the state national guard bed capabilities or (shudder) FEMA. I
know this for fact because i used to be involved in illinois. If it got to
the point where you friends friend in the coma had no bed, the body count
would simply be "piles" at that point. and people ill enough to be going
into medically induced comas would have been black tag triaged
because we would have run out of practitioners for care

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 9:58 PM Robert  wrote:

> Ok, I guess someone you know needs to die before you get the message.
> It's not swine flu, it's not the regular flu.   A friend of mine has one of
> his friends only 45 in an induced coma.  IF the hospital didn't have room
> for him because of too many patients already, he would be dead now.
>
> On 3/11/20 11:26 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> Breaking down the infrastructure of society over fear mongering is not
> being a very responsible member of society at all. This didnt happen during
> swine flu, and we made it though it
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 PM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> "If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."
>>
>> IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible member of
>> society.  I'm not judging, or saying we are at that point, but there is a
>> point at which the responsible thing to do is cancel large gatherings to
>> flatten the curve.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
 I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
 safety of everyone.

 Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.

 I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we
 should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We
 need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
 financially.

 https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference

 https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-11 Thread Robert

Ok, I guess someone you know needs to die before you get the message.   
It's not swine flu, it's not the regular flu.   A friend of mine has one 
of his friends only 45 in an induced coma. IF the hospital didn't have 
room for him because of too many patients already, he would be dead now.


On 3/11/20 11:26 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
Breaking down the infrastructure of society over fear mongering is not 
being a very responsible member of society at all. This didnt happen 
during swine flu, and we made it though it


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 PM Carl Peterson 
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:


"If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."

IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible member
of society.  I'm not judging, or saying we are at that point, but
there is a point at which the responsible thing to do is cancel
large gatherings to flatten the curve.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
wrote:

If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be
canceled for the safety of everyone.

Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to
pull out.

I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I
think we should all pull together to make sure WISPA
doesn’t suffer financially.  We need WISPA and our members
to be healthy and strong both physically and financially.


https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference

https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-11 Thread Robert

Exactly.   It's not about YOU getting sick, it's about YOU getting 50 
people sick who didn't ask for it.  Where does the 50 people number come 
from?   That's how many people the attorney in NY is credited with 
getting sick.   Come on folks GROW the F up and start acting like you 
are responsible for more than just yourself this time.   Thinking this 
is just you in it alone is going to get people killed this time around.


On 3/11/20 11:18 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:

"If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."

IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible member of 
society.  I'm not judging, or saying we are at that point, but there 
is a point at which the responsible thing to do is cancel large 
gatherings to flatten the curve.


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:


If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
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On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled
for the safety of everyone.

Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.

I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I
think we should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t
suffer financially.  We need WISPA and our members to be
healthy and strong both physically and financially.


https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference

https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-11 Thread Josh Luthman

No exceptions.

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On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 6:20 PM Matt Hoppes 
wrote:

> The other problem is WISPA is not giving refunds to folks who "don't go
> because of the virus".
>
> On 3/11/20 2:18 PM, Carl Peterson wrote:
> > "If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."
> >
> > IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible member of
> > society.  I'm not judging, or saying we are at that point, but there is
> > a point at which the responsible thing to do is cancel large gatherings
> > to flatten the curve.
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman
> > mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> > If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett  > > wrote:
> >
> > I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled
> > for the safety of everyone.
> >
> > Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull
> out.
> >
> > I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think
> > we should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer
> > financially.  We need WISPA and our members to be healthy and
> > strong both physically and financially.
> >
> >
> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
> >
> > https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
> >
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> >
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-11 Thread Matt Hoppes

The other problem is WISPA is not giving refunds to folks who "don't go 
because of the virus".


On 3/11/20 2:18 PM, Carl Peterson wrote:

"If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."

IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible member of 
society.  I'm not judging, or saying we are at that point, but there is 
a point at which the responsible thing to do is cancel large gatherings 
to flatten the curve.


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:


If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
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On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled
for the safety of everyone.

Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.

I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think
we should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer
financially.  We need WISPA and our members to be healthy and
strong both physically and financially.


https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference

https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-11 Thread Keefe John

"The WISP industry is a strong and resilient one. We’re dedicated and
fearless. Attending WISPAMERICA sends a strong signal to others in the
communications industry, policymakers and your communities that you will
remain strong even in light of the day’s loud and oftentimes distracting
news coverage and circumstances. The novel coronavirus is not to be sniffed
at, but its risks are manageable – WISPs will not let these events paralyze
their service to customers and the community at large."


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> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
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>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> https://www.flattenthecurve.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
>>> safety of everyone.
>>>
>>> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>>>
>>> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we
>>> should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We
>>> need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
>>> financially.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>>>
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>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-11 Thread Josh Luthman

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6


[image: image.png]

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On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> https://www.flattenthecurve.com/
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
>> safety of everyone.
>>
>> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>>
>> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should
>> all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We need
>> WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
>> financially.
>>
>>
>> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>>
>> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-11 Thread Sean Heskett

https://www.flattenthecurve.com/



On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
> safety of everyone.
>
> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>
> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should
> all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We need
> WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
> financially.
>
>
> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>
> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>
> Best regards,
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-11 Thread Colin Stanners

no WISPAmerica
-> WISPs lose opportunity to gain knowledge and buy new products
-> WISP industry stagnates and becomes confused
-> slowdown and later failure of rural and underserved internet access
-> rural and underserved areas can't act like Karens on Facebook or obtain
pornography
-> utter collapse of society and infrastructure in rural and underserved
areas
-> network effects and lack of food production etc in the above areas
results of utter collapse of society in urban areas.


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:40 PM Steve Jones 
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> youre either a part of society, and your actions are part of that society,
> or youre not. one action is a part of the whole. you dont get to sit on 2
> sides of the fence at once. the oceans just a bunch of drops of water. so
> yeah, you are breaking it down
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:35 PM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> Canceling or rescheduling a conference is by no means "Breaking down the
>> infrastructure of society".
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Breaking down the infrastructure of society over fear mongering is not
>>> being a very responsible member of society at all. This didnt happen during
>>> swine flu, and we made it though it
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 PM Carl Peterson <
>>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:
>>>
 "If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."

 IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible member of
 society.  I'm not judging, or saying we are at that point, but there is a
 point at which the responsible thing to do is cancel large gatherings to
 flatten the curve.

 On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.
>
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> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
>> safety of everyone.
>>
>> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>>
>> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we
>> should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  
>> We
>> need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
>> financially.
>>
>>
>> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>>
>> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

youre either a part of society, and your actions are part of that society,
or youre not. one action is a part of the whole. you dont get to sit on 2
sides of the fence at once. the oceans just a bunch of drops of water. so
yeah, you are breaking it down

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:35 PM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> Canceling or rescheduling a conference is by no means "Breaking down the
> infrastructure of society".
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Breaking down the infrastructure of society over fear mongering is not
>> being a very responsible member of society at all. This didnt happen during
>> swine flu, and we made it though it
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 PM Carl Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."
>>>
>>> IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible member of
>>> society.  I'm not judging, or saying we are at that point, but there is a
>>> point at which the responsible thing to do is cancel large gatherings to
>>> flatten the curve.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


 On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
> safety of everyone.
>
> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>
> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we
> should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  
> We
> need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
> financially.
>
>
> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>
> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>
> Best regards,
>
> -Sean
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Breaking down the infrastructure of society over fear mongering is not
being a very responsible member of society at all. This didnt happen during
swine flu, and we made it though it

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 PM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> "If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go."
>
> IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible member of
> society.  I'm not judging, or saying we are at that point, but there is a
> point at which the responsible thing to do is cancel large gatherings to
> flatten the curve.
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the
>>> safety of everyone.
>>>
>>> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
>>>
>>> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we
>>> should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We
>>> need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and
>>> financially.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> -Sean
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

2020-03-11 Thread Adam Moffett

There are one or two cases in the Dallas area and one or two cases in my 
area.  Seems like a wash.  I'm gonna roll the dice this time, but after 
next week I'm not traveling.



On 3/11/2020 1:58 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the 
safety of everyone.


Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.

I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we 
should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer 
financially.  We need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong 
both physically and financially.


https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference

https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

Best regards,

-Sean


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