Re: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question

[Ken Hohhof]

In these times, it’s impossible to tell.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 10:01 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question

 

I hope it's clear that I wasn't serious with the last two messages by the way.  

 

On 3/23/2020 10:38 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

this is actually legit, its a tool i ordered back in january, shipped from 
wuhan, but got caught in the first quarantine

 

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 8:24 AM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I bet cicely is a Nigerian*.

*Nigerian conspiracy claim is made with no evidence.

On 3/23/2020 9:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

I got this this morning from China 

 

 




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3:29 AM (4 hours ago) 

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Hi dear,

I am Cicely from the samotoy store but i am so sorry to tell you that your 
order now is trapped in the Customs by the bad virus throughout the world ,so 
could we resend another one to you?

We would like to resend the item with 2 face mask together to show our apology.

Please let me know if i can resend the item for you.

Looking forward to receiving your reply.

 

 

 

Ummm, no, I dont think i want those death masks

 

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 8:07 AM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I'm pretty sick of the conspiracy theories at this point.  The only 
"evidence" anyone has pointed me at so far is nut-case bloggers.  You're 
implying that the quarantine could have been perfect except they 
intentionally let some people out who were destined to specific 
countries.  That's not realistic.

Quarantines always leak and the leak gets bigger over time.  You let 
somebody out because they're important or necessary to have outside the 
quarantine, then they want to get their family and friends out, so they 
pull strings or sneak them out.  That's the early leaks.  Nobody 
realistically encircles the whole province, so it's only effective until 
people decide not to stay anymore. That's where the leak gets bigger.  A 
quarantine is a best effort.  It's also understood that bureaucrats in 
China are not adverse to taking bribes (I'm sure some of ours do too).  
"Closing a border" is only going to work when people actually are 
willing to comply with the order not to cross.

So to think a quarantine in Wuhan was going to be perfect except for 
when they wanted it to be is not realistic.  As a parallel incident, 
even the actual fascist gestapo couldn't keep all the Jews in Germany.

You haven't gone as far as to claim that the Chinese created the virus, 
but in case you were wondering: actual subject matter experts have been 
quite clear that this is a natural mutation of an existing virus.  How 
they know that is beyond my ken, but I'm more inclined to believe them 
than to believe randos on the Internet.

There's nobody to blame for this.  The Chinese didn't create the virus 
in a lab.  The Chinese didn't attack us with a virus.  Until you see 
some credible evidence to the contrary I would appreciate not hearing 
more about it.  It might give you a direction in which to channel your 
frustrations, but it adds nothing useful to the discussion and provides 
no solutions.

-Adam


On 3/22/2020 6:00 PM, Tyson Burris wrote:
> I do understand China has no regard for civil liberties and human 
> rights so their lockdown in Wuhan as Marshall Law was effective. Yet, 
> if it was so good to protect other cities of China, how did this virus 
> so easily escape to outside the country.  Why are some of China’s 
> perhaps favored countries less prone? 

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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question

[Mathew Howard]

I think ebay actually banned all face mask sales because of that...

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 10:12 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Nobody could argue that an auction was gouging could they?  Does EBay
> still do auctions?
> On 3/23/2020 11:04 AM, James Howard wrote:
>
> Just think how much you could sell those masks for on Ebay!  Oh wait,
> they’re not allowing price gouging are they.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2020 8:21 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question
>
>
>
> I got this this morning from China
>
>
>
>
> cic...@sunmoon.work 
>
> 3:29 AM (4 hours ago)
>
> to me
>
> Hi dear,
>
> I am Cicely from the samotoy store but i am so sorry to tell you that your
> order now is trapped in the Customs by the bad virus throughout the world
> ,so could we resend another one to you?
>
> We would like to resend the item with 2 face mask together to show our
> apology.
>
> Please let me know if i can resend the item for you.
>
> Looking forward to receiving your reply.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Ummm, no, I dont think i want those death masks
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 8:07 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> I'm pretty sick of the conspiracy theories at this point.  The only
> "evidence" anyone has pointed me at so far is nut-case bloggers.  You're
> implying that the quarantine could have been perfect except they
> intentionally let some people out who were destined to specific
> countries.  That's not realistic.
>
> Quarantines always leak and the leak gets bigger over time.  You let
> somebody out because they're important or necessary to have outside the
> quarantine, then they want to get their family and friends out, so they
> pull strings or sneak them out.  That's the early leaks.  Nobody
> realistically encircles the whole province, so it's only effective until
> people decide not to stay anymore. That's where the leak gets bigger.  A
> quarantine is a best effort.  It's also understood that bureaucrats in
> China are not adverse to taking bribes (I'm sure some of ours do too).
> "Closing a border" is only going to work when people actually are
> willing to comply with the order not to cross.
>
> So to think a quarantine in Wuhan was going to be perfect except for
> when they wanted it to be is not realistic.  As a parallel incident,
> even the actual fascist gestapo couldn't keep all the Jews in Germany.
>
> You haven't gone as far as to claim that the Chinese created the virus,
> but in case you were wondering: actual subject matter experts have been
> quite clear that this is a natural mutation of an existing virus.  How
> they know that is beyond my ken, but I'm more inclined to believe them
> than to believe randos on the Internet.
>
> There's nobody to blame for this.  The Chinese didn't create the virus
> in a lab.  The Chinese didn't attack us with a virus.  Until you see
> some credible evidence to the contrary I would appreciate not hearing
> more about it.  It might give you a direction in which to channel your
> frustrations, but it adds nothing useful to the discussion and provides
> no solutions.
>
> -Adam
>
>
> On 3/22/2020 6:00 PM, Tyson Burris wrote:
> > I do understand China has no regard for civil liberties and human
> > rights so their lockdown in Wuhan as Marshall Law was effective. Yet,
> > if it was so good to protect other cities of China, how did this virus
> > so easily escape to outside the country.  Why are some of China’s
> > perhaps favored countries less prone?
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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question

[Adam Moffett]

Nobody could argue that an auction was gouging could they?  Does EBay 
still do auctions?


On 3/23/2020 11:04 AM, James Howard wrote:


Just think how much you could sell those masks for on Ebay!  Oh wait, 
they’re not allowing price gouging are they.


*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2020 8:21 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question

I got this this morning from China


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  <mailto:cic...@sunmoon.work>mailto:cic...@sunmoon.work>>



3:29 AM (4 hours ago)




to me

Hi dear,

I am Cicely from the samotoy store but i am so sorry to tell you that 
your order now is trapped in the Customs by the bad virus throughout 
the world ,so could we resend another one to you?


We would like to resend the item with 2 face mask together to show our 
apology.


Please let me know if i can resend the item for you.

Looking forward to receiving your reply.

Ummm, no, I dont think i want those death masks

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 8:07 AM Adam Moffett <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I'm pretty sick of the conspiracy theories at this point.  The only
"evidence" anyone has pointed me at so far is nut-case bloggers. 
You're
implying that the quarantine could have been perfect except they
intentionally let some people out who were destined to specific
countries.  That's not realistic.

Quarantines always leak and the leak gets bigger over time.  You let
somebody out because they're important or necessary to have
outside the
quarantine, then they want to get their family and friends out, so
they
pull strings or sneak them out.  That's the early leaks. Nobody
realistically encircles the whole province, so it's only effective
until
people decide not to stay anymore. That's where the leak gets
bigger.  A
quarantine is a best effort.  It's also understood that
bureaucrats in
China are not adverse to taking bribes (I'm sure some of ours do
too).
"Closing a border" is only going to work when people actually are
willing to comply with the order not to cross.

So to think a quarantine in Wuhan was going to be perfect except for
when they wanted it to be is not realistic.  As a parallel incident,
even the actual fascist gestapo couldn't keep all the Jews in Germany.

You haven't gone as far as to claim that the Chinese created the
virus,
but in case you were wondering: actual subject matter experts have
been
quite clear that this is a natural mutation of an existing virus. 
How
they know that is beyond my ken, but I'm more inclined to believe
them
than to believe randos on the Internet.

There's nobody to blame for this.  The Chinese didn't create the
virus
in a lab.  The Chinese didn't attack us with a virus. Until you see
some credible evidence to the contrary I would appreciate not hearing
more about it.  It might give you a direction in which to channel
your
frustrations, but it adds nothing useful to the discussion and
provides
no solutions.

-Adam


On 3/22/2020 6:00 PM, Tyson Burris wrote:
> I do understand China has no regard for civil liberties and human
> rights so their lockdown in Wuhan as Marshall Law was effective.
Yet,
> if it was so good to protect other cities of China, how did this
virus
> so easily escape to outside the country.  Why are some of China’s
> perhaps favored countries less prone?

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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question

[James Howard]

Just think how much you could sell those masks for on Ebay!  Oh wait, they’re 
not allowing price gouging are they.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 8:21 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question

I got this this morning from China


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Hi dear,
I am Cicely from the samotoy store but i am so sorry to tell you that your 
order now is trapped in the Customs by the bad virus throughout the world ,so 
could we resend another one to you?
We would like to resend the item with 2 face mask together to show our apology.
Please let me know if i can resend the item for you.
Looking forward to receiving your reply.



Ummm, no, I dont think i want those death masks

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 8:07 AM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I'm pretty sick of the conspiracy theories at this point.  The only
"evidence" anyone has pointed me at so far is nut-case bloggers.  You're
implying that the quarantine could have been perfect except they
intentionally let some people out who were destined to specific
countries.  That's not realistic.

Quarantines always leak and the leak gets bigger over time.  You let
somebody out because they're important or necessary to have outside the
quarantine, then they want to get their family and friends out, so they
pull strings or sneak them out.  That's the early leaks.  Nobody
realistically encircles the whole province, so it's only effective until
people decide not to stay anymore. That's where the leak gets bigger.  A
quarantine is a best effort.  It's also understood that bureaucrats in
China are not adverse to taking bribes (I'm sure some of ours do too).
"Closing a border" is only going to work when people actually are
willing to comply with the order not to cross.

So to think a quarantine in Wuhan was going to be perfect except for
when they wanted it to be is not realistic.  As a parallel incident,
even the actual fascist gestapo couldn't keep all the Jews in Germany.

You haven't gone as far as to claim that the Chinese created the virus,
but in case you were wondering: actual subject matter experts have been
quite clear that this is a natural mutation of an existing virus.  How
they know that is beyond my ken, but I'm more inclined to believe them
than to believe randos on the Internet.

There's nobody to blame for this.  The Chinese didn't create the virus
in a lab.  The Chinese didn't attack us with a virus.  Until you see
some credible evidence to the contrary I would appreciate not hearing
more about it.  It might give you a direction in which to channel your
frustrations, but it adds nothing useful to the discussion and provides
no solutions.

-Adam


On 3/22/2020 6:00 PM, Tyson Burris wrote:
> I do understand China has no regard for civil liberties and human
> rights so their lockdown in Wuhan as Marshall Law was effective. Yet,
> if it was so good to protect other cities of China, how did this virus
> so easily escape to outside the country.  Why are some of China’s
> perhaps favored countries less prone?

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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question

[Adam Moffett]

I hope it's clear that I wasn't serious with the last two messages by 
the way.



On 3/23/2020 10:38 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
this is actually legit, its a tool i ordered back in january, shipped 
from wuhan, but got caught in the first quarantine


On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 8:24 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:


I bet cicely is a Nigerian*.

*Nigerian conspiracy claim is made with no evidence.

On 3/23/2020 9:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

I got this this morning from China


  cic...@sunmoon.work 
  mailto:cic...@sunmoon.work>>


3:29 AM (4 hours ago)


to me

Hi dear,
I am Cicely from the samotoy store but i am so sorry to tell you
that your order now is trapped in the Customs by the bad virus
throughout the world ,so could we resend another one to you?
We would like to resend the item with 2 face mask together to
show our apology.
Please let me know if i can resend the item for you.
Looking forward to receiving your reply.



Ummm, no, I dont think i want those death masks

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 8:07 AM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I'm pretty sick of the conspiracy theories at this point. 
The only
"evidence" anyone has pointed me at so far is nut-case
bloggers.  You're
implying that the quarantine could have been perfect except they
intentionally let some people out who were destined to specific
countries.  That's not realistic.

Quarantines always leak and the leak gets bigger over time. 
You let
somebody out because they're important or necessary to have
outside the
quarantine, then they want to get their family and friends
out, so they
pull strings or sneak them out.  That's the early leaks.  Nobody
realistically encircles the whole province, so it's only
effective until
people decide not to stay anymore. That's where the leak gets
bigger.  A
quarantine is a best effort.  It's also understood that
bureaucrats in
China are not adverse to taking bribes (I'm sure some of ours
do too).
"Closing a border" is only going to work when people actually
are
willing to comply with the order not to cross.

So to think a quarantine in Wuhan was going to be perfect
except for
when they wanted it to be is not realistic.  As a parallel
incident,
even the actual fascist gestapo couldn't keep all the Jews in
Germany.

You haven't gone as far as to claim that the Chinese created
the virus,
but in case you were wondering: actual subject matter experts
have been
quite clear that this is a natural mutation of an existing
virus.  How
they know that is beyond my ken, but I'm more inclined to
believe them
than to believe randos on the Internet.

There's nobody to blame for this.  The Chinese didn't create
the virus
in a lab.  The Chinese didn't attack us with a virus. Until
you see
some credible evidence to the contrary I would appreciate not
hearing
more about it.  It might give you a direction in which to
channel your
frustrations, but it adds nothing useful to the discussion
and provides
no solutions.

-Adam


On 3/22/2020 6:00 PM, Tyson Burris wrote:
> I do understand China has no regard for civil liberties and
human
> rights so their lockdown in Wuhan as Marshall Law was
effective. Yet,
> if it was so good to protect other cities of China, how did
this virus
> so easily escape to outside the country.  Why are some of
China’s
> perhaps favored countries less prone?

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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question

[Adam Moffett]

That's what you say, but I just think the circumstances are a little too 
coincidental.  This blog that I follow, and the Epoch Times, and my 
friends on Facebook all think there's a Nigerian conspiracy to scam you, 
but you can choose to believe your so-called expert opinion if you want to.



On 3/23/2020 10:38 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
this is actually legit, its a tool i ordered back in january, shipped 
from wuhan, but got caught in the first quarantine


On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 8:24 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:


I bet cicely is a Nigerian*.

*Nigerian conspiracy claim is made with no evidence.

On 3/23/2020 9:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

I got this this morning from China


  cic...@sunmoon.work 
  mailto:cic...@sunmoon.work>>


3:29 AM (4 hours ago)


to me

Hi dear,
I am Cicely from the samotoy store but i am so sorry to tell you
that your order now is trapped in the Customs by the bad virus
throughout the world ,so could we resend another one to you?
We would like to resend the item with 2 face mask together to
show our apology.
Please let me know if i can resend the item for you.
Looking forward to receiving your reply.



Ummm, no, I dont think i want those death masks

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 8:07 AM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I'm pretty sick of the conspiracy theories at this point. 
The only
"evidence" anyone has pointed me at so far is nut-case
bloggers.  You're
implying that the quarantine could have been perfect except they
intentionally let some people out who were destined to specific
countries.  That's not realistic.

Quarantines always leak and the leak gets bigger over time. 
You let
somebody out because they're important or necessary to have
outside the
quarantine, then they want to get their family and friends
out, so they
pull strings or sneak them out.  That's the early leaks.  Nobody
realistically encircles the whole province, so it's only
effective until
people decide not to stay anymore. That's where the leak gets
bigger.  A
quarantine is a best effort.  It's also understood that
bureaucrats in
China are not adverse to taking bribes (I'm sure some of ours
do too).
"Closing a border" is only going to work when people actually
are
willing to comply with the order not to cross.

So to think a quarantine in Wuhan was going to be perfect
except for
when they wanted it to be is not realistic.  As a parallel
incident,
even the actual fascist gestapo couldn't keep all the Jews in
Germany.

You haven't gone as far as to claim that the Chinese created
the virus,
but in case you were wondering: actual subject matter experts
have been
quite clear that this is a natural mutation of an existing
virus.  How
they know that is beyond my ken, but I'm more inclined to
believe them
than to believe randos on the Internet.

There's nobody to blame for this.  The Chinese didn't create
the virus
in a lab.  The Chinese didn't attack us with a virus. Until
you see
some credible evidence to the contrary I would appreciate not
hearing
more about it.  It might give you a direction in which to
channel your
frustrations, but it adds nothing useful to the discussion
and provides
no solutions.

-Adam


On 3/22/2020 6:00 PM, Tyson Burris wrote:
> I do understand China has no regard for civil liberties and
human
> rights so their lockdown in Wuhan as Marshall Law was
effective. Yet,
> if it was so good to protect other cities of China, how did
this virus
> so easily escape to outside the country.  Why are some of
China’s
> perhaps favored countries less prone?

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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question

[Steve Jones]

We have an infection here in the town i live in, small town like 25k
people. Im curious to see how the morons react. I see torches and
pitchforks in the future

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 9:38 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> this is actually legit, its a tool i ordered back in january, shipped from
> wuhan, but got caught in the first quarantine
>
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 8:24 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> I bet cicely is a Nigerian*.
>>
>> *Nigerian conspiracy claim is made with no evidence.
>> On 3/23/2020 9:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>> I got this this morning from China
>>
>>
>> cic...@sunmoon.work 
>> 3:29 AM (4 hours ago)
>>
>> to me
>> Hi dear,
>> I am Cicely from the samotoy store but i am so sorry to tell you that
>> your order now is trapped in the Customs by the bad virus throughout the
>> world ,so could we resend another one to you?
>> We would like to resend the item with 2 face mask together to show our
>> apology.
>> Please let me know if i can resend the item for you.
>> Looking forward to receiving your reply.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ummm, no, I dont think i want those death masks
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 8:07 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm pretty sick of the conspiracy theories at this point.  The only
>>> "evidence" anyone has pointed me at so far is nut-case bloggers.  You're
>>> implying that the quarantine could have been perfect except they
>>> intentionally let some people out who were destined to specific
>>> countries.  That's not realistic.
>>>
>>> Quarantines always leak and the leak gets bigger over time.  You let
>>> somebody out because they're important or necessary to have outside the
>>> quarantine, then they want to get their family and friends out, so they
>>> pull strings or sneak them out.  That's the early leaks.  Nobody
>>> realistically encircles the whole province, so it's only effective until
>>> people decide not to stay anymore. That's where the leak gets bigger.  A
>>> quarantine is a best effort.  It's also understood that bureaucrats in
>>> China are not adverse to taking bribes (I'm sure some of ours do too).
>>> "Closing a border" is only going to work when people actually are
>>> willing to comply with the order not to cross.
>>>
>>> So to think a quarantine in Wuhan was going to be perfect except for
>>> when they wanted it to be is not realistic.  As a parallel incident,
>>> even the actual fascist gestapo couldn't keep all the Jews in Germany.
>>>
>>> You haven't gone as far as to claim that the Chinese created the virus,
>>> but in case you were wondering: actual subject matter experts have been
>>> quite clear that this is a natural mutation of an existing virus.  How
>>> they know that is beyond my ken, but I'm more inclined to believe them
>>> than to believe randos on the Internet.
>>>
>>> There's nobody to blame for this.  The Chinese didn't create the virus
>>> in a lab.  The Chinese didn't attack us with a virus.  Until you see
>>> some credible evidence to the contrary I would appreciate not hearing
>>> more about it.  It might give you a direction in which to channel your
>>> frustrations, but it adds nothing useful to the discussion and provides
>>> no solutions.
>>>
>>> -Adam
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/22/2020 6:00 PM, Tyson Burris wrote:
>>> > I do understand China has no regard for civil liberties and human
>>> > rights so their lockdown in Wuhan as Marshall Law was effective. Yet,
>>> > if it was so good to protect other cities of China, how did this virus
>>> > so easily escape to outside the country.  Why are some of China’s
>>> > perhaps favored countries less prone?
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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question

[Steve Jones]

this is actually legit, its a tool i ordered back in january, shipped from
wuhan, but got caught in the first quarantine

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 8:24 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I bet cicely is a Nigerian*.
>
> *Nigerian conspiracy claim is made with no evidence.
> On 3/23/2020 9:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> I got this this morning from China
>
>
> cic...@sunmoon.work 
> 3:29 AM (4 hours ago)
>
> to me
> Hi dear,
> I am Cicely from the samotoy store but i am so sorry to tell you that your
> order now is trapped in the Customs by the bad virus throughout the world
> ,so could we resend another one to you?
> We would like to resend the item with 2 face mask together to show our
> apology.
> Please let me know if i can resend the item for you.
> Looking forward to receiving your reply.
>
>
>
> Ummm, no, I dont think i want those death masks
>
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 8:07 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> I'm pretty sick of the conspiracy theories at this point.  The only
>> "evidence" anyone has pointed me at so far is nut-case bloggers.  You're
>> implying that the quarantine could have been perfect except they
>> intentionally let some people out who were destined to specific
>> countries.  That's not realistic.
>>
>> Quarantines always leak and the leak gets bigger over time.  You let
>> somebody out because they're important or necessary to have outside the
>> quarantine, then they want to get their family and friends out, so they
>> pull strings or sneak them out.  That's the early leaks.  Nobody
>> realistically encircles the whole province, so it's only effective until
>> people decide not to stay anymore. That's where the leak gets bigger.  A
>> quarantine is a best effort.  It's also understood that bureaucrats in
>> China are not adverse to taking bribes (I'm sure some of ours do too).
>> "Closing a border" is only going to work when people actually are
>> willing to comply with the order not to cross.
>>
>> So to think a quarantine in Wuhan was going to be perfect except for
>> when they wanted it to be is not realistic.  As a parallel incident,
>> even the actual fascist gestapo couldn't keep all the Jews in Germany.
>>
>> You haven't gone as far as to claim that the Chinese created the virus,
>> but in case you were wondering: actual subject matter experts have been
>> quite clear that this is a natural mutation of an existing virus.  How
>> they know that is beyond my ken, but I'm more inclined to believe them
>> than to believe randos on the Internet.
>>
>> There's nobody to blame for this.  The Chinese didn't create the virus
>> in a lab.  The Chinese didn't attack us with a virus.  Until you see
>> some credible evidence to the contrary I would appreciate not hearing
>> more about it.  It might give you a direction in which to channel your
>> frustrations, but it adds nothing useful to the discussion and provides
>> no solutions.
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>>
>> On 3/22/2020 6:00 PM, Tyson Burris wrote:
>> > I do understand China has no regard for civil liberties and human
>> > rights so their lockdown in Wuhan as Marshall Law was effective. Yet,
>> > if it was so good to protect other cities of China, how did this virus
>> > so easily escape to outside the country.  Why are some of China’s
>> > perhaps favored countries less prone?
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question

[Adam Moffett]

I bet cicely is a Nigerian*.

*Nigerian conspiracy claim is made with no evidence.

On 3/23/2020 9:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

I got this this morning from China


  cic...@sunmoon.work 
  mailto:cic...@sunmoon.work>>


3:29 AM (4 hours ago)


to me

Hi dear,
I am Cicely from the samotoy store but i am so sorry to tell you that 
your order now is trapped in the Customs by the bad virus throughout 
the world ,so could we resend another one to you?
We would like to resend the item with 2 face mask together to show our 
apology.

Please let me know if i can resend the item for you.
Looking forward to receiving your reply.



Ummm, no, I dont think i want those death masks

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 8:07 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:


I'm pretty sick of the conspiracy theories at this point.  The only
"evidence" anyone has pointed me at so far is nut-case bloggers. 
You're
implying that the quarantine could have been perfect except they
intentionally let some people out who were destined to specific
countries.  That's not realistic.

Quarantines always leak and the leak gets bigger over time. You let
somebody out because they're important or necessary to have
outside the
quarantine, then they want to get their family and friends out, so
they
pull strings or sneak them out.  That's the early leaks. Nobody
realistically encircles the whole province, so it's only effective
until
people decide not to stay anymore. That's where the leak gets
bigger.  A
quarantine is a best effort.  It's also understood that
bureaucrats in
China are not adverse to taking bribes (I'm sure some of ours do
too).
"Closing a border" is only going to work when people actually are
willing to comply with the order not to cross.

So to think a quarantine in Wuhan was going to be perfect except for
when they wanted it to be is not realistic.  As a parallel incident,
even the actual fascist gestapo couldn't keep all the Jews in Germany.

You haven't gone as far as to claim that the Chinese created the
virus,
but in case you were wondering: actual subject matter experts have
been
quite clear that this is a natural mutation of an existing virus. 
How
they know that is beyond my ken, but I'm more inclined to believe
them
than to believe randos on the Internet.

There's nobody to blame for this.  The Chinese didn't create the
virus
in a lab.  The Chinese didn't attack us with a virus.  Until you see
some credible evidence to the contrary I would appreciate not hearing
more about it.  It might give you a direction in which to channel
your
frustrations, but it adds nothing useful to the discussion and
provides
no solutions.

-Adam


On 3/22/2020 6:00 PM, Tyson Burris wrote:
> I do understand China has no regard for civil liberties and human
> rights so their lockdown in Wuhan as Marshall Law was effective.
Yet,
> if it was so good to protect other cities of China, how did this
virus
> so easily escape to outside the country.  Why are some of China’s
> perhaps favored countries less prone?

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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question

[Steve Jones]

I got this this morning from China


cic...@sunmoon.work 
3:29 AM (4 hours ago)
to me
Hi dear,
I am Cicely from the samotoy store but i am so sorry to tell you that your
order now is trapped in the Customs by the bad virus throughout the world
,so could we resend another one to you?
We would like to resend the item with 2 face mask together to show our
apology.
Please let me know if i can resend the item for you.
Looking forward to receiving your reply.



Ummm, no, I dont think i want those death masks

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 8:07 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I'm pretty sick of the conspiracy theories at this point.  The only
> "evidence" anyone has pointed me at so far is nut-case bloggers.  You're
> implying that the quarantine could have been perfect except they
> intentionally let some people out who were destined to specific
> countries.  That's not realistic.
>
> Quarantines always leak and the leak gets bigger over time.  You let
> somebody out because they're important or necessary to have outside the
> quarantine, then they want to get their family and friends out, so they
> pull strings or sneak them out.  That's the early leaks.  Nobody
> realistically encircles the whole province, so it's only effective until
> people decide not to stay anymore. That's where the leak gets bigger.  A
> quarantine is a best effort.  It's also understood that bureaucrats in
> China are not adverse to taking bribes (I'm sure some of ours do too).
> "Closing a border" is only going to work when people actually are
> willing to comply with the order not to cross.
>
> So to think a quarantine in Wuhan was going to be perfect except for
> when they wanted it to be is not realistic.  As a parallel incident,
> even the actual fascist gestapo couldn't keep all the Jews in Germany.
>
> You haven't gone as far as to claim that the Chinese created the virus,
> but in case you were wondering: actual subject matter experts have been
> quite clear that this is a natural mutation of an existing virus.  How
> they know that is beyond my ken, but I'm more inclined to believe them
> than to believe randos on the Internet.
>
> There's nobody to blame for this.  The Chinese didn't create the virus
> in a lab.  The Chinese didn't attack us with a virus.  Until you see
> some credible evidence to the contrary I would appreciate not hearing
> more about it.  It might give you a direction in which to channel your
> frustrations, but it adds nothing useful to the discussion and provides
> no solutions.
>
> -Adam
>
>
> On 3/22/2020 6:00 PM, Tyson Burris wrote:
> > I do understand China has no regard for civil liberties and human
> > rights so their lockdown in Wuhan as Marshall Law was effective. Yet,
> > if it was so good to protect other cities of China, how did this virus
> > so easily escape to outside the country.  Why are some of China’s
> > perhaps favored countries less prone?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question

[Adam Moffett]

I'm pretty sick of the conspiracy theories at this point.  The only 
"evidence" anyone has pointed me at so far is nut-case bloggers.  You're 
implying that the quarantine could have been perfect except they 
intentionally let some people out who were destined to specific 
countries.  That's not realistic.


Quarantines always leak and the leak gets bigger over time.  You let 
somebody out because they're important or necessary to have outside the 
quarantine, then they want to get their family and friends out, so they 
pull strings or sneak them out.  That's the early leaks.  Nobody 
realistically encircles the whole province, so it's only effective until 
people decide not to stay anymore. That's where the leak gets bigger.  A 
quarantine is a best effort.  It's also understood that bureaucrats in 
China are not adverse to taking bribes (I'm sure some of ours do too).  
"Closing a border" is only going to work when people actually are 
willing to comply with the order not to cross.


So to think a quarantine in Wuhan was going to be perfect except for 
when they wanted it to be is not realistic.  As a parallel incident, 
even the actual fascist gestapo couldn't keep all the Jews in Germany.


You haven't gone as far as to claim that the Chinese created the virus, 
but in case you were wondering: actual subject matter experts have been 
quite clear that this is a natural mutation of an existing virus.  How 
they know that is beyond my ken, but I'm more inclined to believe them 
than to believe randos on the Internet.


There's nobody to blame for this.  The Chinese didn't create the virus 
in a lab.  The Chinese didn't attack us with a virus.  Until you see 
some credible evidence to the contrary I would appreciate not hearing 
more about it.  It might give you a direction in which to channel your 
frustrations, but it adds nothing useful to the discussion and provides 
no solutions.


-Adam


On 3/22/2020 6:00 PM, Tyson Burris wrote:
I do understand China has no regard for civil liberties and human 
rights so their lockdown in Wuhan as Marshall Law was effective. Yet, 
if it was so good to protect other cities of China, how did this virus 
so easily escape to outside the country.  Why are some of China’s 
perhaps favored countries less prone? 


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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question

[Steve Jones]

Ah, makes sense

On Sun, Mar 22, 2020, 10:12 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Troop deployment.  WW I.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 22, 2020 9:51 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question
>
>
>
> I always wondered how it travelled so well given the limits of personal
> travel at the time.
>
> Something anywhere near as virulent today is petrifying. As a matter of
> fact, I think the level of petrifying for something like that is equal to
> the level of panic the media is shooting for with the current bug
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 22, 2020, 9:40 PM  wrote:
>
> Lasting from January 1918 to December 1920, it infected 500 million
> people—about a quarter of the world's population at the time.[2]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu#cite_note-FOOTNOTETaubenbergerMorens2006-2>
>  The
> death toll is estimated to have been anywhere from 17 million[3]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu#cite_note-Spreeuwenberg-3> to
> 50 million, and possibly as high as 100 million, making it one of the 
> deadliest
> epidemics <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics> in human
> history.[4] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu#cite_note-4>[5]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu#cite_note-5>
>
>
>
> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 22, 2020 7:54 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question
>
>
>
>
>
> When did it start?
>
>
>
> Sent from my smartphone
>
>
>
> - Reply message -
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question
> Date: Sun, Mar 22, 2020 3:46 PM
>
>
>
> Within 10 days, over 1,000 Philadelphians lay dead, with another 200,000
> estimated ill, and the state government in Harrisburg ordered the city’s
> public amusements and gathering places closed down, a ban that shuttered
> saloons, theaters, ice cream parlors and movie theaters. It was too little,
> too late: As the body count continued to climb, the Catholic archbishop
> assigned three thousand nuns and seminarians to staff makeshift hospitals
> and dig mass graves. By March 1919, when the threat of influenza lifted,
> Philadelphia had lost over 15,000 of its citizens.
>
>
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 22, 2020 2:33 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question
>
>
>
> Yeah, that old Woodrow Wilson was quite a fascist...
>
>
>
> News from 102 years ago:
>
>
>
> The failure of Philadelphia’s government to respond quickly and forcefully
> should have alerted other elected officials to the crisis. In some cases,
> it did, as in San Diego, where city officials took heed of the carnage that
> had overrun eastern cities like Philadelphia, Boston and New York and acted
> quickly to close churches, dance halls, gymnasiums, libraries, swimming
> pools and all public meetings—except, of course, outside war bond drives.
> Police enforced these measures aggressively. When the number of infected
> citizens did not immediately drop, municipal officials worked with the Red
> Cross to produce and distribute thousands of gauze masks, which many
> citizens balked at wearing, despite the entreaties of public health
> officials. The San Diego Union dismissed the very idea out of hand,
> observing that “modern civilization has abolished the mask as part of the
> human wearing apparel … only highwaymen, burglars, and hold-up men wear
> masks professionally.” Still, the city’s early and active efforts
> contributed to smaller mortality numbers than other municipalities.
>
> Philadelphia had something 1000 dead the first week.  City fathers were
> assuring people this is nothing more than the regular flu...
>
>
>
> Things have not changed much.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: Seth Mattinen
>
> Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 2:10 PM
>
> To: af@af.afmug.com
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question
>
>
>
> On 3/22/20 1:02 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> > Someone just asked Governor Pritzker during his daily press conference
>
> > about letters like these and he said emphatically no, you do not need
>
> > them, nobody in law enforcement is going to ask for papers.
>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> But I was clearly told on facebook that only a fascist and/or socialist
>
> police state would order a quarantine.
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question

[Ken Hohhof]

Troop deployment.  WW I.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 9:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question

 

I always wondered how it travelled so well given the limits of personal travel 
at the time. 

Something anywhere near as virulent today is petrifying. As a matter of fact, I 
think the level of petrifying for something like that is equal to the level of 
panic the media is shooting for with the current bug

 

On Sun, Mar 22, 2020, 9:40 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

Lasting from January 1918 to December 1920, it infected 500 million 
people—about a quarter of the world's population at the time. 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu#cite_note-FOOTNOTETaubenbergerMorens2006-2>
 [2] The death toll is estimated to have been anywhere from 17 million 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu#cite_note-Spreeuwenberg-3> [3] to 50 
million, and possibly as high as 100 million, making it one of the  
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics> deadliest epidemics in human 
history. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu#cite_note-4> [4] 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu#cite_note-5> [5]

 

From: CBB - Jay Fuller 

Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 7:54 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question

 

 

When did it start?

 

Sent from my smartphone

 

- Reply message -
From: ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> 
To: mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question
Date: Sun, Mar 22, 2020 3:46 PM

 

Within 10 days, over 1,000 Philadelphians lay dead, with another 200,000 
estimated ill, and the state government in Harrisburg ordered the city’s public 
amusements and gathering places closed down, a ban that shuttered saloons, 
theaters, ice cream parlors and movie theaters. It was too little, too late: As 
the body count continued to climb, the Catholic archbishop assigned three 
thousand nuns and seminarians to staff makeshift hospitals and dig mass graves. 
By March 1919, when the threat of influenza lifted, Philadelphia had lost over 
15,000 of its citizens.

 

From: ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>  

Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 2:33 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question

 

Yeah, that old Woodrow Wilson was quite a fascist...

 

News from 102 years ago:

 

The failure of Philadelphia’s government to respond quickly and forcefully 
should have alerted other elected officials to the crisis. In some cases, it 
did, as in San Diego, where city officials took heed of the carnage that had 
overrun eastern cities like Philadelphia, Boston and New York and acted quickly 
to close churches, dance halls, gymnasiums, libraries, swimming pools and all 
public meetings—except, of course, outside war bond drives. Police enforced 
these measures aggressively. When the number of infected citizens did not 
immediately drop, municipal officials worked with the Red Cross to produce and 
distribute thousands of gauze masks, which many citizens balked at wearing, 
despite the entreaties of public health officials. The San Diego Union 
dismissed the very idea out of hand, observing that “modern civilization has 
abolished the mask as part of the human wearing apparel … only highwaymen, 
burglars, and hold-up men wear masks professionally.” Still, the city’s early 
and active efforts contributed to smaller mortality numbers than other 
municipalities.

Philadelphia had something 1000 dead the first week.  City fathers were 
assuring people this is nothing more than the regular flu...

 

Things have not changed much.

 

-Original Message- 

From: Seth Mattinen 

Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 2:10 PM 

To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question 

 

On 3/22/20 1:02 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

> Someone just asked Governor Pritzker during his daily press conference 

> about letters like these and he said emphatically no, you do not need 

> them, nobody in law enforcement is going to ask for papers.

> 

 

 

But I was clearly told on facebook that only a fascist and/or socialist 

police state would order a quarantine.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question

[Steve Jones]

I always wondered how it travelled so well given the limits of personal
travel at the time.
Something anywhere near as virulent today is petrifying. As a matter of
fact, I think the level of petrifying for something like that is equal to
the level of panic the media is shooting for with the current bug

On Sun, Mar 22, 2020, 9:40 PM  wrote:

> Lasting from January 1918 to December 1920, it infected 500 million
> people—about a quarter of the world's population at the time.[2]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu#cite_note-FOOTNOTETaubenbergerMorens2006-2>
>  The death toll is estimated to have been anywhere from 17 million[3]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu#cite_note-Spreeuwenberg-3> to
> 50 million, and possibly as high as 100 million, making it one of the 
> deadliest
> epidemics <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics> in human
> history.[4] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu#cite_note-4>[5]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu#cite_note-5>
>
> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 22, 2020 7:54 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question
>
>
> When did it start?
>
> Sent from my smartphone
>
> - Reply message -
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question
> Date: Sun, Mar 22, 2020 3:46 PM
>
> Within 10 days, over 1,000 Philadelphians lay dead, with another 200,000
> estimated ill, and the state government in Harrisburg ordered the city’s
> public amusements and gathering places closed down, a ban that shuttered
> saloons, theaters, ice cream parlors and movie theaters. It was too little,
> too late: As the body count continued to climb, the Catholic archbishop
> assigned three thousand nuns and seminarians to staff makeshift hospitals
> and dig mass graves. By March 1919, when the threat of influenza lifted,
> Philadelphia had lost over 15,000 of its citizens.
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 22, 2020 2:33 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question
>
> Yeah, that old Woodrow Wilson was quite a fascist...
>
> News from 102 years ago:
>
>
> The failure of Philadelphia’s government to respond quickly and forcefully
> should have alerted other elected officials to the crisis. In some cases,
> it did, as in San Diego, where city officials took heed of the carnage that
> had overrun eastern cities like Philadelphia, Boston and New York and acted
> quickly to close churches, dance halls, gymnasiums, libraries, swimming
> pools and all public meetings—except, of course, outside war bond drives.
> Police enforced these measures aggressively. When the number of infected
> citizens did not immediately drop, municipal officials worked with the Red
> Cross to produce and distribute thousands of gauze masks, which many
> citizens balked at wearing, despite the entreaties of public health
> officials. The San Diego Union dismissed the very idea out of hand,
> observing that “modern civilization has abolished the mask as part of the
> human wearing apparel … only highwaymen, burglars, and hold-up men wear
> masks professionally.” Still, the city’s early and active efforts
> contributed to smaller mortality numbers than other municipalities.
>
> Philadelphia had something 1000 dead the first week.  City fathers were
> assuring people this is nothing more than the regular flu...
>
> Things have not changed much.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 2:10 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question
>
> On 3/22/20 1:02 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> > Someone just asked Governor Pritzker during his daily press conference
> > about letters like these and he said emphatically no, you do not need
> > them, nobody in law enforcement is going to ask for papers.
> >
>
>
> But I was clearly told on facebook that only a fascist and/or socialist
> police state would order a quarantine.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question

[chuck]

Lasting from January 1918 to December 1920, it infected 500 million 
people—about a quarter of the world's population at the time.[2] The death toll 
is estimated to have been anywhere from 17 million[3] to 50 million, and 
possibly as high as 100 million, making it one of the deadliest epidemics in 
human history.[4][5]

From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 7:54 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question


When did it start?

Sent from my smartphone

- Reply message -
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question
Date: Sun, Mar 22, 2020 3:46 PM

Within 10 days, over 1,000 Philadelphians lay dead, with another 200,000 
estimated ill, and the state government in Harrisburg ordered the city’s public 
amusements and gathering places closed down, a ban that shuttered saloons, 
theaters, ice cream parlors and movie theaters. It was too little, too late: As 
the body count continued to climb, the Catholic archbishop assigned three 
thousand nuns and seminarians to staff makeshift hospitals and dig mass graves. 
By March 1919, when the threat of influenza lifted, Philadelphia had lost over 
15,000 of its citizens.

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 2:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question

Yeah, that old Woodrow Wilson was quite a fascist...

News from 102 years ago:

  The failure of Philadelphia’s government to respond quickly and forcefully 
should have alerted other elected officials to the crisis. In some cases, it 
did, as in San Diego, where city officials took heed of the carnage that had 
overrun eastern cities like Philadelphia, Boston and New York and acted quickly 
to close churches, dance halls, gymnasiums, libraries, swimming pools and all 
public meetings—except, of course, outside war bond drives. Police enforced 
these measures aggressively. When the number of infected citizens did not 
immediately drop, municipal officials worked with the Red Cross to produce and 
distribute thousands of gauze masks, which many citizens balked at wearing, 
despite the entreaties of public health officials. The San Diego Union 
dismissed the very idea out of hand, observing that “modern civilization has 
abolished the mask as part of the human wearing apparel … only highwaymen, 
burglars, and hold-up men wear masks professionally.” Still, the city’s early 
and active efforts contributed to smaller mortality numbers than other 
municipalities.
Philadelphia had something 1000 dead the first week.  City fathers were 
assuring people this is nothing more than the regular flu...

Things have not changed much.

-Original Message- 
From: Seth Mattinen 
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 2:10 PM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question 

On 3/22/20 1:02 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Someone just asked Governor Pritzker during his daily press conference 
> about letters like these and he said emphatically no, you do not need 
> them, nobody in law enforcement is going to ask for papers.
> 


But I was clearly told on facebook that only a fascist and/or socialist 
police state would order a quarantine.

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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

When did it start?

Sent from my smartphone

- Reply message -
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] Fw:  shelter in place question
Date: Sun, Mar 22, 2020 3:46 PM

Within 10 days, over 1,000 Philadelphians lay dead, with another 
200,000 estimated ill, and the state government in Harrisburg ordered the 
city’s 
public amusements and gathering places closed down, a ban that shuttered
saloons, theaters, ice cream parlors and movie theaters. It was too little, too 
late: As the body count continued to climb, the Catholic archbishop assigned 
three thousand nuns and seminarians to staff makeshift hospitals and dig mass 
graves. By March 1919, when the threat of influenza lifted, Philadelphia had 
lost over 15,000 of its citizens.




From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 2:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question




Yeah, that old Woodrow Wilson was quite a fascist...

News from 102 years ago:


The failure of Philadelphia’s government to respond quickly and 
forcefully should have alerted other elected officials to the crisis. In some 
cases, it did, as in San Diego, where city officials took heed of the carnage 
that had overrun eastern cities like Philadelphia, Boston and New York and 
acted quickly to close churches, dance halls, gymnasiums, libraries, swimming 
pools and all public meetings—except, of course, outside war bond drives. 
Police enforced these measures aggressively. When the number of infected 
citizens did not immediately drop, municipal officials worked with the Red 
Cross to produce and distribute thousands of gauze masks, which many citizens 
balked at wearing, despite the entreaties of public health officials. The San 
Diego Union dismissed the very idea out of hand, observing that “modern 
civilization has abolished the mask as part of the human wearing apparel … 
only highwaymen, burglars, and hold-up men wear masks professionally.” Still, 
the city’s early and active efforts contributed to smaller mortality numbers 
than other municipalities.
Philadelphia had something 1000 dead the first week.  City fathers 
were assuring people this is nothing more than the regular flu...

Things have not changed much.

-Original Message- 
From: Seth Mattinen 
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 2:10 PM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question 

On 3/22/20 1:02 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Someone just asked Governor Pritzker during his daily press conference 

> about letters like these and he said emphatically no, you do not need 

> them, nobody in law enforcement is going to ask for papers.
> 


But I was clearly told on facebook that only a fascist and/or socialist 

police state would order a quarantine.

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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Simply because they've been testing about 100X more people than
  we have.

bp



On 3/22/2020 4:40 PM, Kurt Fankhauser
  wrote:


  
  how do you figure?
  
  
On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 7:13
  PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:


  
China's numbers are way more believable than ours.

bp



On 3/22/2020 4:09 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:


  Tyson,


I wondered the exact same thing about China, I
  don't trust any of the information coming out of
  there. I do believe the numbers coming out of Italy
  right now which keep getting higher and higher daily.


  
  
  
On Sun, Mar 22, 2020
  at 6:01 PM Tyson Burris <t...@franklinisp.net>
  wrote:


  

  Am I the only scratching my
head a bit over China’s sudden (or perhaps
unreported) lack of infection?  How are some of
these countries with such large populations
nearly unaffected in some cases. (India as an
example)  
   
  I am not one to buy into
outlandish ideas but its becoming curious to me.
  I do understand China has no
regard for civil liberties and human rights so
their lockdown in Wuhan as Marshall Law was
effective.  Yet, if it was so good to protect
other cities of China, how did this virus so
easily escape to outside the country.  Why are
some of China’s perhaps favored countries less
prone?  
   
  
Tyson Burris,
  President
  
Internet Communications
  Inc.
  
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  From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
On Behalf Of  ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 4:46 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
                Subject: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place
    question

  
   
  

  

  

  Within
  10 days, over 1,000 Philadelphians
  lay dead, with another 200,000
  estimated ill, and the state
  government in Harrisburg ordered
  the city’s public amusements and
  gathering places closed down, a
   

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question

[Kurt Fankhauser]

how do you figure?

On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 7:13 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> China's numbers are way more believable than ours.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/22/2020 4:09 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>
> Tyson,
>
> I wondered the exact same thing about China, I don't trust any of the
> information coming out of there. I do believe the numbers coming out of
> Italy right now which keep getting higher and higher daily.
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 6:01 PM Tyson Burris  wrote:
>
>> Am I the only scratching my head a bit over China’s sudden (or perhaps
>> unreported) lack of infection?  How are some of these countries with such
>> large populations nearly unaffected in some cases. (India as an example)
>>
>>
>>
>> I am not one to buy into outlandish ideas but its becoming curious to me.
>>
>> I do understand China has no regard for civil liberties and human rights
>> so their lockdown in Wuhan as Marshall Law was effective.  Yet, if it was
>> so good to protect other cities of China, how did this virus so easily
>> escape to outside the country.  Why are some of China’s perhaps favored
>> countries less prone?
>>
>>
>>
>> *Tyson Burris, President*
>> *Internet Communications Inc.*
>> *739 Commerce Dr.*
>> *Franklin, IN 46131*
>>
>> *Office #* *317-738-0320 *
>> *Cell/Direct #* *317-412-1540 *
>> *Online: **www.surfici.net* <http://www.surfici.net>
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: ICI]
>>
>> *What can ICI do for you?*
>>
>>
>> *Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP
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>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 22, 2020 4:46 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question
>>
>>
>>
>> Within 10 days, over 1,000 Philadelphians lay dead, with another 200,000
>> estimated ill, and the state government in Harrisburg ordered the city’s
>> public amusements and gathering places closed down, a ban that shuttered
>> saloons, theaters, ice cream parlors and movie theaters. It was too little,
>> too late: As the body count continued to climb, the Catholic archbishop
>> assigned three thousand nuns and seminarians to staff makeshift hospitals
>> and dig mass graves. By March 1919, when the threat of influenza lifted,
>> Philadelphia had lost over 15,000 of its citizens.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
>>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 22, 2020 2:33 PM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question
>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah, that old Woodrow Wilson was quite a fascist...
>>
>>
>>
>> News from 102 years ago:
>>
>>
>>
>> The failure of Philadelphia’s government to respond quickly and
>> forcefully should have alerted other elected officials to the crisis. In
>> some cases, it did, as in San Diego, where city officials took heed of the
>> carnage that had overrun eastern cities like Philadelphia, Boston and New
>> York and acted quickly to close churches, dance halls, gymnasiums,
>> libraries, swimming pools and all public meetings—except, of course,
>> outside war bond drives. Police enforced these measures aggressively. When
>> the number of infected citizens did not immediately drop, municipal
>> officials worked with the Red Cross to produce and distribute thousands of
>> gauze masks, which many citizens balked at wearing, despite the entreaties
>> of public health officials. The San Diego Union dismissed the very idea out
>> of hand, observing that “modern civilization has abolished the mask as part
>> of the human wearing apparel … only highwaymen, burglars, and hold-up men
>> wear masks professionally.” Still, the city’s early and active efforts
>> contributed to smaller mortality numbers than other municipalities.
>>
>> Philadelphia had something 1000 dead the first week.  City fathers were
>> assuring people this is nothing more than the regular flu...
>>
>>
>>
>> Things have not changed much.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>>
>> From: 

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question

[Bill Prince]

  
  
China's numbers are way more believable than ours.

bp



On 3/22/2020 4:09 PM, Kurt Fankhauser
  wrote:


  
  Tyson,


I wondered the exact same thing about China, I don't trust
  any of the information coming out of there. I do believe the
  numbers coming out of Italy right now which keep getting
  higher and higher daily.


  
  
  
On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 6:01
  PM Tyson Burris <t...@franklinisp.net> wrote:


  

  Am I the only scratching my head a
bit over China’s sudden (or perhaps unreported) lack of
infection?  How are some of these countries with such
large populations nearly unaffected in some cases.
(India as an example) 
  
   
  I am not one to buy into outlandish
ideas but its becoming curious to me.
  I do understand China has no regard
for civil liberties and human rights so their lockdown
in Wuhan as Marshall Law was effective.  Yet, if it was
so good to protect other cities of China, how did this
virus so easily escape to outside the country.  Why are
some of China’s perhaps favored countries less prone?  
   
  
Tyson Burris,
  President
  
Internet
  Communications Inc.
  
739 Commerce Dr.
  
Franklin, IN 46131
  
 

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  317-738-0320

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  From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 4:46 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
        Subject: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place
    question

  
   
  

  

  

  Within
  10 days, over 1,000 Philadelphians lay
  dead, with another 200,000 estimated ill,
  and the state government in Harrisburg
  ordered the city’s public amusements and
  gathering places closed down, a ban that
  shuttered saloons, theaters, ice cream
  parlors and movie theaters. It was too
  little, too late: As the body count
  continued to climb, the Catholic
  archbishop assigned three thousand nuns
  and seminarians to staff makeshift
  hospitals and dig mass graves. By March
  1919, when the threat of influenza lifted,
  Philadelphia had lost over 15,000 of its
  citizens.


  

   


  
From:
 

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Tyson,

I wondered the exact same thing about China, I don't trust any of the
information coming out of there. I do believe the numbers coming out of
Italy right now which keep getting higher and higher daily.


On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 6:01 PM Tyson Burris  wrote:

> Am I the only scratching my head a bit over China’s sudden (or perhaps
> unreported) lack of infection?  How are some of these countries with such
> large populations nearly unaffected in some cases. (India as an example)
>
>
>
> I am not one to buy into outlandish ideas but its becoming curious to me.
>
> I do understand China has no regard for civil liberties and human rights
> so their lockdown in Wuhan as Marshall Law was effective.  Yet, if it was
> so good to protect other cities of China, how did this virus so easily
> escape to outside the country.  Why are some of China’s perhaps favored
> countries less prone?
>
>
>
> *Tyson Burris, President*
> *Internet Communications Inc.*
> *739 Commerce Dr.*
> *Franklin, IN 46131*
>
> *Office #* *317-738-0320 *
> *Cell/Direct #* *317-412-1540 *
> *Online: **www.surfici.net* <http://www.surfici.net>
>
>
>
> [image: ICI]
>
> *What can ICI do for you?*
>
>
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> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 22, 2020 4:46 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question
>
>
>
> Within 10 days, over 1,000 Philadelphians lay dead, with another 200,000
> estimated ill, and the state government in Harrisburg ordered the city’s
> public amusements and gathering places closed down, a ban that shuttered
> saloons, theaters, ice cream parlors and movie theaters. It was too little,
> too late: As the body count continued to climb, the Catholic archbishop
> assigned three thousand nuns and seminarians to staff makeshift hospitals
> and dig mass graves. By March 1919, when the threat of influenza lifted,
> Philadelphia had lost over 15,000 of its citizens.
>
>
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 22, 2020 2:33 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question
>
>
>
> Yeah, that old Woodrow Wilson was quite a fascist...
>
>
>
> News from 102 years ago:
>
>
>
> The failure of Philadelphia’s government to respond quickly and forcefully
> should have alerted other elected officials to the crisis. In some cases,
> it did, as in San Diego, where city officials took heed of the carnage that
> had overrun eastern cities like Philadelphia, Boston and New York and acted
> quickly to close churches, dance halls, gymnasiums, libraries, swimming
> pools and all public meetings—except, of course, outside war bond drives.
> Police enforced these measures aggressively. When the number of infected
> citizens did not immediately drop, municipal officials worked with the Red
> Cross to produce and distribute thousands of gauze masks, which many
> citizens balked at wearing, despite the entreaties of public health
> officials. The San Diego Union dismissed the very idea out of hand,
> observing that “modern civilization has abolished the mask as part of the
> human wearing apparel … only highwaymen, burglars, and hold-up men wear
> masks professionally.” Still, the city’s early and active efforts
> contributed to smaller mortality numbers than other municipalities.
>
> Philadelphia had something 1000 dead the first week.  City fathers were
> assuring people this is nothing more than the regular flu...
>
>
>
> Things have not changed much.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: Seth Mattinen
>
> Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 2:10 PM
>
> To: af@af.afmug.com
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question
>
>
>
> On 3/22/20 1:02 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> > Someone just asked Governor Pritzker during his daily press conference
>
> > about letters like these and he said emphatically no, you do not need
>
> > them, nobody in law enforcement is going to ask for papers.
>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> But I was clearly told on facebook that only a fascist and/or socialist
>
> police state would order a quarantine.
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question

[Bill Prince]

  
  
The US numbers are off by as much as a factor of 10. Russia's
  numbers are worse than that, and India still worse. 

This has been circulating globally for many weeks now. It is no
  longer a matter of containment, but trying to blunt the spread.
Many, many people were (are) infected and don't know it. That
  will continue.


bp



On 3/22/2020 3:00 PM, Tyson Burris
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
Am I the only scratching my head a bit over
  China’s sudden (or perhaps unreported) lack of infection?  How
  are some of these countries with such large populations nearly
  unaffected in some cases. (India as an example) 
  
 
I am not one to buy into outlandish ideas
  but its becoming curious to me.
I do understand China has no regard for
  civil liberties and human rights so their lockdown in Wuhan as
  Marshall Law was effective.  Yet, if it was so good to protect
  other cities of China, how did this virus so easily escape to
  outside the country.  Why are some of China’s perhaps favored
  countries less prone?  
  
 

  Tyson Burris, President

  Internet Communications Inc.

  739 Commerce Dr.

  Franklin, IN 46131

   
  
Office #
317-738-0320
  
Cell/Direct #
317-412-1540
  
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From: AF
   On Behalf Of 
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  Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 4:46 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question
  

 

  

  

  
Within
10 days, over 1,000 Philadelphians lay dead,
with another 200,000 estimated ill, and the
state government in Harrisburg ordered the
city’s public amusements and gathering places
closed down, a ban that shuttered saloons,
theaters, ice cream parlors and movie theaters.
It was too little, too late: As the body count
continued to climb, the Catholic archbishop
assigned three thousand nuns and seminarians to
staff makeshift hospitals and dig mass graves.
By March 1919, when the threat of influenza
lifted, Philadelphia had lost over 15,000 of its
citizens.
  
  

  
 
  
  

  From:
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  Yeah,
  that old Woodrow Wilson was quite a
   

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question

[Tyson Burris]

Am I the only scratching my head a bit over China’s sudden (or perhaps 
unreported) lack of infection?  How are some of these countries with such large 
populations nearly unaffected in some cases. (India as an example)

I am not one to buy into outlandish ideas but its becoming curious to me.
I do understand China has no regard for civil liberties and human rights so 
their lockdown in Wuhan as Marshall Law was effective.  Yet, if it was so good 
to protect other cities of China, how did this virus so easily escape to 
outside the country.  Why are some of China’s perhaps favored countries less 
prone?

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From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 4:46 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question

Within 10 days, over 1,000 Philadelphians lay dead, with another 200,000 
estimated ill, and the state government in Harrisburg ordered the city’s public 
amusements and gathering places closed down, a ban that shuttered saloons, 
theaters, ice cream parlors and movie theaters. It was too little, too late: As 
the body count continued to climb, the Catholic archbishop assigned three 
thousand nuns and seminarians to staff makeshift hospitals and dig mass graves. 
By March 1919, when the threat of influenza lifted, Philadelphia had lost over 
15,000 of its citizens.

From: ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 2:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question

Yeah, that old Woodrow Wilson was quite a fascist...

News from 102 years ago:

The failure of Philadelphia’s government to respond quickly and forcefully 
should have alerted other elected officials to the crisis. In some cases, it 
did, as in San Diego, where city officials took heed of the carnage that had 
overrun eastern cities like Philadelphia, Boston and New York and acted quickly 
to close churches, dance halls, gymnasiums, libraries, swimming pools and all 
public meetings—except, of course, outside war bond drives. Police enforced 
these measures aggressively. When the number of infected citizens did not 
immediately drop, municipal officials worked with the Red Cross to produce and 
distribute thousands of gauze masks, which many citizens balked at wearing, 
despite the entreaties of public health officials. The San Diego Union 
dismissed the very idea out of hand, observing that “modern civilization has 
abolished the mask as part of the human wearing apparel … only highwaymen, 
burglars, and hold-up men wear masks professionally.” Still, the city’s early 
and active efforts contributed to smaller mortality numbers than other 
municipalities.
Philadelphia had something 1000 dead the first week.  City fathers were 
assuring people this is nothing more than the regular flu...

Things have not changed much.

-Original Message-
From: Seth Mattinen
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 2:10 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question

On 3/22/20 1:02 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Someone just asked Governor Pritzker during his daily press conference
> about letters like these and he said emphatically no, you do not need
> them, nobody in law enforcement is going to ask for papers.
>


But I was clearly told on facebook that only a fascist and/or socialist
police state would order a quarantine.

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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question

[Ken Hohhof]

But that was the height of “yellow journalism”, as in Hearst vs Pulitzer.  
Well, actually it was somewhat earlier, around the Spanish-American War.  But 
rabid news media is not a new thing.  I think yellow journalism lives on in the 
British tabloids.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 3:54 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question

 

Those who something something the past are condemned to something something

 

Imagine how bad that would have been had they had simple 100 mile radius travel 
and a rabid news media

 

On Sun, Mar 22, 2020, 3:47 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

Within 10 days, over 1,000 Philadelphians lay dead, with another 200,000 
estimated ill, and the state government in Harrisburg ordered the city’s public 
amusements and gathering places closed down, a ban that shuttered saloons, 
theaters, ice cream parlors and movie theaters. It was too little, too late: As 
the body count continued to climb, the Catholic archbishop assigned three 
thousand nuns and seminarians to staff makeshift hospitals and dig mass graves. 
By March 1919, when the threat of influenza lifted, Philadelphia had lost over 
15,000 of its citizens.

 

From: ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>  

Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 2:33 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question

 

Yeah, that old Woodrow Wilson was quite a fascist...

 

News from 102 years ago:

 

The failure of Philadelphia’s government to respond quickly and forcefully 
should have alerted other elected officials to the crisis. In some cases, it 
did, as in San Diego, where city officials took heed of the carnage that had 
overrun eastern cities like Philadelphia, Boston and New York and acted quickly 
to close churches, dance halls, gymnasiums, libraries, swimming pools and all 
public meetings—except, of course, outside war bond drives. Police enforced 
these measures aggressively. When the number of infected citizens did not 
immediately drop, municipal officials worked with the Red Cross to produce and 
distribute thousands of gauze masks, which many citizens balked at wearing, 
despite the entreaties of public health officials. The San Diego Union 
dismissed the very idea out of hand, observing that “modern civilization has 
abolished the mask as part of the human wearing apparel … only highwaymen, 
burglars, and hold-up men wear masks professionally.” Still, the city’s early 
and active efforts contributed to smaller mortality numbers than other 
municipalities.

Philadelphia had something 1000 dead the first week.  City fathers were 
assuring people this is nothing more than the regular flu...

 

Things have not changed much.

 

-Original Message- 

From: Seth Mattinen 

Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 2:10 PM 

To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question 

 

On 3/22/20 1:02 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

> Someone just asked Governor Pritzker during his daily press conference 

> about letters like these and he said emphatically no, you do not need 

> them, nobody in law enforcement is going to ask for papers.

> 

 

 

But I was clearly told on facebook that only a fascist and/or socialist 

police state would order a quarantine.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question

[Steve Jones]

Those who something something the past are condemned to something something

Imagine how bad that would have been had they had simple 100 mile radius
travel and a rabid news media

On Sun, Mar 22, 2020, 3:47 PM  wrote:

> Within 10 days, over 1,000 Philadelphians lay dead, with another 200,000
> estimated ill, and the state government in Harrisburg ordered the city’s
> public amusements and gathering places closed down, a ban that shuttered
> saloons, theaters, ice cream parlors and movie theaters. It was too little,
> too late: As the body count continued to climb, the Catholic archbishop
> assigned three thousand nuns and seminarians to staff makeshift hospitals
> and dig mass graves. By March 1919, when the threat of influenza lifted,
> Philadelphia had lost over 15,000 of its citizens.
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 22, 2020 2:33 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question
>
> Yeah, that old Woodrow Wilson was quite a fascist...
>
> News from 102 years ago:
>
>
> The failure of Philadelphia’s government to respond quickly and forcefully
> should have alerted other elected officials to the crisis. In some cases,
> it did, as in San Diego, where city officials took heed of the carnage that
> had overrun eastern cities like Philadelphia, Boston and New York and acted
> quickly to close churches, dance halls, gymnasiums, libraries, swimming
> pools and all public meetings—except, of course, outside war bond drives.
> Police enforced these measures aggressively. When the number of infected
> citizens did not immediately drop, municipal officials worked with the Red
> Cross to produce and distribute thousands of gauze masks, which many
> citizens balked at wearing, despite the entreaties of public health
> officials. The San Diego Union dismissed the very idea out of hand,
> observing that “modern civilization has abolished the mask as part of the
> human wearing apparel … only highwaymen, burglars, and hold-up men wear
> masks professionally.” Still, the city’s early and active efforts
> contributed to smaller mortality numbers than other municipalities.
>
> Philadelphia had something 1000 dead the first week.  City fathers were
> assuring people this is nothing more than the regular flu...
>
> Things have not changed much.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 2:10 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question
>
> On 3/22/20 1:02 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> > Someone just asked Governor Pritzker during his daily press conference
> > about letters like these and he said emphatically no, you do not need
> > them, nobody in law enforcement is going to ask for papers.
> >
>
>
> But I was clearly told on facebook that only a fascist and/or socialist
> police state would order a quarantine.
>
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[AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question

[chuck]

Within 10 days, over 1,000 Philadelphians lay dead, with another 200,000 
estimated ill, and the state government in Harrisburg ordered the city’s public 
amusements and gathering places closed down, a ban that shuttered saloons, 
theaters, ice cream parlors and movie theaters. It was too little, too late: As 
the body count continued to climb, the Catholic archbishop assigned three 
thousand nuns and seminarians to staff makeshift hospitals and dig mass graves. 
By March 1919, when the threat of influenza lifted, Philadelphia had lost over 
15,000 of its citizens.

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 2:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question

Yeah, that old Woodrow Wilson was quite a fascist...

News from 102 years ago:

  The failure of Philadelphia’s government to respond quickly and forcefully 
should have alerted other elected officials to the crisis. In some cases, it 
did, as in San Diego, where city officials took heed of the carnage that had 
overrun eastern cities like Philadelphia, Boston and New York and acted quickly 
to close churches, dance halls, gymnasiums, libraries, swimming pools and all 
public meetings—except, of course, outside war bond drives. Police enforced 
these measures aggressively. When the number of infected citizens did not 
immediately drop, municipal officials worked with the Red Cross to produce and 
distribute thousands of gauze masks, which many citizens balked at wearing, 
despite the entreaties of public health officials. The San Diego Union 
dismissed the very idea out of hand, observing that “modern civilization has 
abolished the mask as part of the human wearing apparel … only highwaymen, 
burglars, and hold-up men wear masks professionally.” Still, the city’s early 
and active efforts contributed to smaller mortality numbers than other 
municipalities.
Philadelphia had something 1000 dead the first week.  City fathers were 
assuring people this is nothing more than the regular flu...

Things have not changed much.

-Original Message- 
From: Seth Mattinen 
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 2:10 PM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question 

On 3/22/20 1:02 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Someone just asked Governor Pritzker during his daily press conference 
> about letters like these and he said emphatically no, you do not need 
> them, nobody in law enforcement is going to ask for papers.
> 


But I was clearly told on facebook that only a fascist and/or socialist 
police state would order a quarantine.

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