Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

2019-01-20 Thread Ken Hohhof
This article (and a previous one at theverge.com) makes me want to use my old 
Panasonic 42” 720p plasma dumb TV forever, and not hook it up to any streaming 
devices either (too late, I’ve got a Roku connected to it).  Even so, I’m 
probably screwed because it’s connected to an AT&T cable box which is probably 
collecting and monetizing the same data.  At least none of them have cameras 
(AFAIK), although Google, Amazon or Facebook would happily sell me devices that 
listen to everything I see and also have cameras.

 

This shouldn’t surprise anyone, but I wonder if people really know that TV and 
streaming device manufacturers don’t really make a profit selling the hardware, 
their profit comes from data, ads and crapware.

 

https://www.howtogeek.com/401666/the-smart-tv-crapware-era-has-already-begun/

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 9:34 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

 

The DVR+ is one TV only; don't know about the Stream+. 

Yes, we pipe the HDMI through the AVR.

Our DVR+ is hardwired. Don't know if there is a WiFi option.




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On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 6:13 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

Can you watch the DVR from other TVs?

I presume it has hdmi out for the video?

Ethernet lan or wifi only?

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2019 6:16 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

 

This page has a comparison of the Stream+, Romio, Fire TV Recast, and Tablo. 
Romio has 4 tuners, but requires a subscription. 

 

https://www.channelmaster.com/OTA_DVR_s/336.htm

 

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On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 5:11 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

They replaced the DVR+ with the Stream+. It looks mostly similar, but is 
cheaper. Don't really care for the new form factor, but it's not obnoxious. 

 

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On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 4:58 PM Mathew Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Yeah, but the DVR+ appears to be discontinued. 

 

On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 6:38 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Similar to the DVR+. It has 2 tuners, which works great for us. If you're 
watching live TV, you can pause/rewind/fast forward. You can record two 
programs while watching a pre-recorded show. It also has several "streaming 
channels", but we almost never watch them through the DVR+. If we want to 
stream something, we go through the Roku. Roku connects us to pretty much 
anything we're interested in; Netflix, Prime, Hulu, Vudu. There must be 30 or 
40 different streaming thingies. 

 

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On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 3:22 PM Mathew Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com> > wrote:

So, the AirTV does have an ethernet port on it, and it works fine to just plug 
it into the lan instead of using wifi. After it's setup, the over the air 
channels show up in the Sling app, just like the Sling streaming channels. They 
do give you the option of signing up for a free account if you don't want to 
subscribe to Sling.  

 

The biggest problem I see with it, is that you can't pause and rewind live 
tv... you can start recording something and then go watch the recorded program 
to be able to pause and rewind, but that's a bit of a pain.

 

They do have another box, the AirTV Player (which is basically an Android TV 
box with a USB tuner that plugs into it), that does let you pause and rewind 
live TV, but it only works for one TV, and you need to have an antenna 
connected to it.

 

On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 9:04 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

When you get it, please let me know how I can get the content off of it without 
using wifi, if possible.  

 

From: Mathew Howard 

Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 7:45 PM

To: AFMUG 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

 

You don't need a sling subscription (or at least not a paid one), and it does 
have an ethernet port. 

 

On Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 8:39 PM Chuck McCown https://www.airtv.net/products/airtv/

 

The only downside I see compared to the Amazon thing is that it's only got two 
tuners instead of four, but it's a lot cheaper and it works with a roku. You do 
need a USB hard drive for dvr functions, since it doesn't have one built in. 
Sling has a deal going right now for a free one if you prepay for 3 months of 
service (which is only $75).

 

 

On Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 7:58 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

Tivo send me an ad trying to get me to upgrade to their latest box.  I have a 
Roamio.  I own it.  I don’t pay them anything monthly.  After the upgrade deal 
went away, my Roamio bricked...

 

Arrgh.

 

Might go with Amazon Firebox...

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Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

2019-01-20 Thread Bill Prince
The DVR+ is one TV only; don't know about the Stream+.
Yes, we pipe the HDMI through the AVR.
Our DVR+ is hardwired. Don't know if there is a WiFi option.

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On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 6:13 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Can you watch the DVR from other TVs?
> I presume it has hdmi out for the video?
> Ethernet lan or wifi only?
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 19, 2019 6:16 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
>
> This page has a comparison of the Stream+, Romio, Fire TV Recast, and
> Tablo. Romio has 4 tuners, but requires a subscription.
>
> https://www.channelmaster.com/OTA_DVR_s/336.htm
>
> --
> bp
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 5:11 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> They replaced the DVR+ with the Stream+. It looks mostly similar, but is
>> cheaper. Don't really care for the new form factor, but it's not obnoxious.
>>
>> --
>> bp
>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 4:58 PM Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, but the DVR+ appears to be discontinued.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 6:38 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Similar to the DVR+. It has 2 tuners, which works great for us. If
>>>> you're watching live TV, you can pause/rewind/fast forward. You can record
>>>> two programs while watching a pre-recorded show. It also has several
>>>> "streaming channels", but we almost never watch them through the DVR+. If
>>>> we want to stream something, we go through the Roku. Roku connects us to
>>>> pretty much anything we're interested in; Netflix, Prime, Hulu, Vudu. There
>>>> must be 30 or 40 different streaming thingies.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> bp
>>>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 3:22 PM Mathew Howard 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So, the AirTV does have an ethernet port on it, and it works fine to
>>>>> just plug it into the lan instead of using wifi. After it's setup, the 
>>>>> over
>>>>> the air channels show up in the Sling app, just like the Sling streaming
>>>>> channels. They do give you the option of signing up for a free account if
>>>>> you don't want to subscribe to Sling.
>>>>>
>>>>> The biggest problem I see with it, is that you can't pause and rewind
>>>>> live tv... you can start recording something and then go watch the 
>>>>> recorded
>>>>> program to be able to pause and rewind, but that's a bit of a pain.
>>>>>
>>>>> They do have another box, the AirTV Player (which is basically an
>>>>> Android TV box with a USB tuner that plugs into it), that does let you
>>>>> pause and rewind live TV, but it only works for one TV, and you need to
>>>>> have an antenna connected to it.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 9:04 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> When you get it, please let me know how I can get the content off of
>>>>>> it without using wifi, if possible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2019 7:45 PM
>>>>>> *To:* AFMUG
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You don't need a sling subscription (or at least not a paid one), and
>>>>>> it does have an ethernet port.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 8:39 PM Chuck McCown >>>>>
>>>>>>> Two downsides I see:
>>>>>>> 1)It wants you to subscribe to SlingTV.  While I do subscribe I
>>>>>>> don’t want to have to subscribe.  That makes me not want to buy it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2)It delivers content via wifi.  It probably would not talk from
>>>>>>> my basement to my upstairs.  If it has the ability to deliver via lan 
>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>> it is much more useful to me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2019 7:33 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* AFMUG
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

2019-01-19 Thread Mathew Howard
The Amazon thing seems to be the only one that looks like it does
everything right, and doesn't have any subscription fees. The only things I
don't like (without having actually used it) are that you have to use a
Fire TV to connect to it, and it's a bit on the pricey side.

The AirTV does almost everything I want, but not quite... Tablo also looks
pretty good, but it's got monthly fees.

On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 8:33 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Dang, I want to put the thing in the basement TV room where my antenna
> signal is and then be able to view it upstairs.  Roamio and mini were good
> for that.  But I don’t want to reinvest in that brand.
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 19, 2019 7:28 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
>
> Nope, one TV only. It appears to have HDMI and an ethernet port.
>
> On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 8:13 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Can you watch the DVR from other TVs?
>> I presume it has hdmi out for the video?
>> Ethernet lan or wifi only?
>>
>> *From:* Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 19, 2019 6:16 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
>>
>> This page has a comparison of the Stream+, Romio, Fire TV Recast, and
>> Tablo. Romio has 4 tuners, but requires a subscription.
>>
>> https://www.channelmaster.com/OTA_DVR_s/336.htm
>>
>> --
>> bp
>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 5:11 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>>> They replaced the DVR+ with the Stream+. It looks mostly similar, but is
>>> cheaper. Don't really care for the new form factor, but it's not obnoxious.
>>>
>>> --
>>> bp
>>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 4:58 PM Mathew Howard 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah, but the DVR+ appears to be discontinued.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 6:38 PM Bill Prince 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Similar to the DVR+. It has 2 tuners, which works great for us. If
>>>>> you're watching live TV, you can pause/rewind/fast forward. You can record
>>>>> two programs while watching a pre-recorded show. It also has several
>>>>> "streaming channels", but we almost never watch them through the DVR+. If
>>>>> we want to stream something, we go through the Roku. Roku connects us to
>>>>> pretty much anything we're interested in; Netflix, Prime, Hulu, Vudu. 
>>>>> There
>>>>> must be 30 or 40 different streaming thingies.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> bp
>>>>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 3:22 PM Mathew Howard 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> So, the AirTV does have an ethernet port on it, and it works fine to
>>>>>> just plug it into the lan instead of using wifi. After it's setup, the 
>>>>>> over
>>>>>> the air channels show up in the Sling app, just like the Sling streaming
>>>>>> channels. They do give you the option of signing up for a free account if
>>>>>> you don't want to subscribe to Sling.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The biggest problem I see with it, is that you can't pause and rewind
>>>>>> live tv... you can start recording something and then go watch the 
>>>>>> recorded
>>>>>> program to be able to pause and rewind, but that's a bit of a pain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They do have another box, the AirTV Player (which is basically an
>>>>>> Android TV box with a USB tuner that plugs into it), that does let you
>>>>>> pause and rewind live TV, but it only works for one TV, and you need to
>>>>>> have an antenna connected to it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 9:04 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When you get it, please let me know how I can get the content off of
>>>>>>> it without using wifi, if possible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2019 7:45 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* AFMUG
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
>>>>>>>
>>&g

Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

2019-01-19 Thread Chuck McCown
Dang, I want to put the thing in the basement TV room where my antenna signal 
is and then be able to view it upstairs.  Roamio and mini were good for that.  
But I don’t want to reinvest in that brand.  

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2019 7:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

Nope, one TV only. It appears to have HDMI and an ethernet port.

On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 8:13 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Can you watch the DVR from other TVs?
  I presume it has hdmi out for the video?
  Ethernet lan or wifi only?

  From: Bill Prince 
  Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2019 6:16 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

  This page has a comparison of the Stream+, Romio, Fire TV Recast, and Tablo. 
Romio has 4 tuners, but requires a subscription. 

  https://www.channelmaster.com/OTA_DVR_s/336.htm

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  On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 5:11 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

They replaced the DVR+ with the Stream+. It looks mostly similar, but is 
cheaper. Don't really care for the new form factor, but it's not obnoxious. 

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On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 4:58 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

  Yeah, but the DVR+ appears to be discontinued. 

  On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 6:38 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

Similar to the DVR+. It has 2 tuners, which works great for us. If 
you're watching live TV, you can pause/rewind/fast forward. You can record two 
programs while watching a pre-recorded show. It also has several "streaming 
channels", but we almost never watch them through the DVR+. If we want to 
stream something, we go through the Roku. Roku connects us to pretty much 
anything we're interested in; Netflix, Prime, Hulu, Vudu. There must be 30 or 
40 different streaming thingies. 

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On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 3:22 PM Mathew Howard  
wrote:

  So, the AirTV does have an ethernet port on it, and it works fine to 
just plug it into the lan instead of using wifi. After it's setup, the over the 
air channels show up in the Sling app, just like the Sling streaming channels. 
They do give you the option of signing up for a free account if you don't want 
to subscribe to Sling.  

  The biggest problem I see with it, is that you can't pause and rewind 
live tv... you can start recording something and then go watch the recorded 
program to be able to pause and rewind, but that's a bit of a pain.

  They do have another box, the AirTV Player (which is basically an 
Android TV box with a USB tuner that plugs into it), that does let you pause 
and rewind live TV, but it only works for one TV, and you need to have an 
antenna connected to it.

  On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 9:04 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

When you get it, please let me know how I can get the content off 
of it without using wifi, if possible.  

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 7:45 PM
        To: AFMUG 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

You don't need a sling subscription (or at least not a paid one), 
and it does have an ethernet port. 

On Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 8:39 PM Chuck McCown https://www.airtv.net/products/airtv/


  The only downside I see compared to the Amazon thing is that it's 
only got two tuners instead of four, but it's a lot cheaper and it works with a 
roku. You do need a USB hard drive for dvr functions, since it doesn't have one 
built in. Sling has a deal going right now for a free one if you prepay for 3 
months of service (which is only $75).


  On Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 7:58 PM Chuck McCown  
wrote:

  Tivo send me an ad trying to get me to upgrade to their 
latest box.  I have a Roamio.  I own it.  I don’t pay them anything monthly.  
After the upgrade deal went away, my Roamio bricked...

  Arrgh.

  Might go with Amazon Firebox...
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  On Jan 14, 2019 7:58 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Yeahbut, I need OTA DVR.  I use Roku for almost everything 
else.  

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 6:53 PM
        To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Gro

Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

2019-01-19 Thread Mathew Howard
Nope, one TV only. It appears to have HDMI and an ethernet port.

On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 8:13 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Can you watch the DVR from other TVs?
> I presume it has hdmi out for the video?
> Ethernet lan or wifi only?
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 19, 2019 6:16 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
>
> This page has a comparison of the Stream+, Romio, Fire TV Recast, and
> Tablo. Romio has 4 tuners, but requires a subscription.
>
> https://www.channelmaster.com/OTA_DVR_s/336.htm
>
> --
> bp
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 5:11 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> They replaced the DVR+ with the Stream+. It looks mostly similar, but is
>> cheaper. Don't really care for the new form factor, but it's not obnoxious.
>>
>> --
>> bp
>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 4:58 PM Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, but the DVR+ appears to be discontinued.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 6:38 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Similar to the DVR+. It has 2 tuners, which works great for us. If
>>>> you're watching live TV, you can pause/rewind/fast forward. You can record
>>>> two programs while watching a pre-recorded show. It also has several
>>>> "streaming channels", but we almost never watch them through the DVR+. If
>>>> we want to stream something, we go through the Roku. Roku connects us to
>>>> pretty much anything we're interested in; Netflix, Prime, Hulu, Vudu. There
>>>> must be 30 or 40 different streaming thingies.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> bp
>>>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 3:22 PM Mathew Howard 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So, the AirTV does have an ethernet port on it, and it works fine to
>>>>> just plug it into the lan instead of using wifi. After it's setup, the 
>>>>> over
>>>>> the air channels show up in the Sling app, just like the Sling streaming
>>>>> channels. They do give you the option of signing up for a free account if
>>>>> you don't want to subscribe to Sling.
>>>>>
>>>>> The biggest problem I see with it, is that you can't pause and rewind
>>>>> live tv... you can start recording something and then go watch the 
>>>>> recorded
>>>>> program to be able to pause and rewind, but that's a bit of a pain.
>>>>>
>>>>> They do have another box, the AirTV Player (which is basically an
>>>>> Android TV box with a USB tuner that plugs into it), that does let you
>>>>> pause and rewind live TV, but it only works for one TV, and you need to
>>>>> have an antenna connected to it.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 9:04 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> When you get it, please let me know how I can get the content off of
>>>>>> it without using wifi, if possible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2019 7:45 PM
>>>>>> *To:* AFMUG
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You don't need a sling subscription (or at least not a paid one), and
>>>>>> it does have an ethernet port.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 8:39 PM Chuck McCown >>>>>
>>>>>>> Two downsides I see:
>>>>>>> 1)It wants you to subscribe to SlingTV.  While I do subscribe I
>>>>>>> don’t want to have to subscribe.  That makes me not want to buy it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2)It delivers content via wifi.  It probably would not talk from
>>>>>>> my basement to my upstairs.  If it has the ability to deliver via lan 
>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>> it is much more useful to me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2019 7:33 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* AFMUG
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just ordered one of these:
>>>>>>> https://www.airtv.net/pr

Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

2019-01-19 Thread Chuck McCown
Can you watch the DVR from other TVs?
I presume it has hdmi out for the video?
Ethernet lan or wifi only?

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2019 6:16 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

This page has a comparison of the Stream+, Romio, Fire TV Recast, and Tablo. 
Romio has 4 tuners, but requires a subscription. 

https://www.channelmaster.com/OTA_DVR_s/336.htm

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On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 5:11 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

  They replaced the DVR+ with the Stream+. It looks mostly similar, but is 
cheaper. Don't really care for the new form factor, but it's not obnoxious. 

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  On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 4:58 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

Yeah, but the DVR+ appears to be discontinued. 

On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 6:38 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

  Similar to the DVR+. It has 2 tuners, which works great for us. If you're 
watching live TV, you can pause/rewind/fast forward. You can record two 
programs while watching a pre-recorded show. It also has several "streaming 
channels", but we almost never watch them through the DVR+. If we want to 
stream something, we go through the Roku. Roku connects us to pretty much 
anything we're interested in; Netflix, Prime, Hulu, Vudu. There must be 30 or 
40 different streaming thingies. 

  --

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  On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 3:22 PM Mathew Howard  
wrote:

So, the AirTV does have an ethernet port on it, and it works fine to 
just plug it into the lan instead of using wifi. After it's setup, the over the 
air channels show up in the Sling app, just like the Sling streaming channels. 
They do give you the option of signing up for a free account if you don't want 
to subscribe to Sling.  

The biggest problem I see with it, is that you can't pause and rewind 
live tv... you can start recording something and then go watch the recorded 
program to be able to pause and rewind, but that's a bit of a pain.

They do have another box, the AirTV Player (which is basically an 
Android TV box with a USB tuner that plugs into it), that does let you pause 
and rewind live TV, but it only works for one TV, and you need to have an 
antenna connected to it.

On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 9:04 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

  When you get it, please let me know how I can get the content off of 
it without using wifi, if possible.  

  From: Mathew Howard 
  Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 7:45 PM
      To: AFMUG 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

  You don't need a sling subscription (or at least not a paid one), and 
it does have an ethernet port. 

  On Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 8:39 PM Chuck McCown https://www.airtv.net/products/airtv/


The only downside I see compared to the Amazon thing is that it's 
only got two tuners instead of four, but it's a lot cheaper and it works with a 
roku. You do need a USB hard drive for dvr functions, since it doesn't have one 
built in. Sling has a deal going right now for a free one if you prepay for 3 
months of service (which is only $75).


On Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 7:58 PM Chuck McCown  
wrote:

Tivo send me an ad trying to get me to upgrade to their latest 
box.  I have a Roamio.  I own it.  I don’t pay them anything monthly.  After 
the upgrade deal went away, my Roamio bricked...

Arrgh.

Might go with Amazon Firebox...
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On Jan 14, 2019 7:58 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  Yeahbut, I need OTA DVR.  I use Roku for almost everything else.  

  From: Jason McKemie 
  Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 6:53 PM
      To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

  I've really been liking Roku for a streaming device.

  On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:32 PM Chuck McCown  
wrote:

Tivo send me an ad trying to get me to upgrade to their latest 
box.  I have a Roamio.  I own it.  I don’t pay them anything monthly.  After 
the upgrade deal went away, my Roamio bricked...

Arrgh.

Might go with Amazon Firebox...
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Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

2019-01-19 Thread Bill Prince
This page has a comparison of the Stream+, Romio, Fire TV Recast, and
Tablo. Romio has 4 tuners, but requires a subscription.

https://www.channelmaster.com/OTA_DVR_s/336.htm

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On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 5:11 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> They replaced the DVR+ with the Stream+. It looks mostly similar, but is
> cheaper. Don't really care for the new form factor, but it's not obnoxious.
>
> --
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>
>
> On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 4:58 PM Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, but the DVR+ appears to be discontinued.
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 6:38 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>>> Similar to the DVR+. It has 2 tuners, which works great for us. If
>>> you're watching live TV, you can pause/rewind/fast forward. You can record
>>> two programs while watching a pre-recorded show. It also has several
>>> "streaming channels", but we almost never watch them through the DVR+. If
>>> we want to stream something, we go through the Roku. Roku connects us to
>>> pretty much anything we're interested in; Netflix, Prime, Hulu, Vudu. There
>>> must be 30 or 40 different streaming thingies.
>>>
>>> --
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>>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 3:22 PM Mathew Howard 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So, the AirTV does have an ethernet port on it, and it works fine to
>>>> just plug it into the lan instead of using wifi. After it's setup, the over
>>>> the air channels show up in the Sling app, just like the Sling streaming
>>>> channels. They do give you the option of signing up for a free account if
>>>> you don't want to subscribe to Sling.
>>>>
>>>> The biggest problem I see with it, is that you can't pause and rewind
>>>> live tv... you can start recording something and then go watch the recorded
>>>> program to be able to pause and rewind, but that's a bit of a pain.
>>>>
>>>> They do have another box, the AirTV Player (which is basically an
>>>> Android TV box with a USB tuner that plugs into it), that does let you
>>>> pause and rewind live TV, but it only works for one TV, and you need to
>>>> have an antenna connected to it.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 9:04 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> When you get it, please let me know how I can get the content off of
>>>>> it without using wifi, if possible.
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2019 7:45 PM
>>>>> *To:* AFMUG
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
>>>>>
>>>>> You don't need a sling subscription (or at least not a paid one), and
>>>>> it does have an ethernet port.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 8:39 PM Chuck McCown >>>>
>>>>>> Two downsides I see:
>>>>>> 1)It wants you to subscribe to SlingTV.  While I do subscribe I
>>>>>> don’t want to have to subscribe.  That makes me not want to buy it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2)It delivers content via wifi.  It probably would not talk from
>>>>>> my basement to my upstairs.  If it has the ability to deliver via lan 
>>>>>> then
>>>>>> it is much more useful to me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2019 7:33 PM
>>>>>> *To:* AFMUG
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just ordered one of these:
>>>>>> https://www.airtv.net/products/airtv/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The only downside I see compared to the Amazon thing is that it's
>>>>>> only got two tuners instead of four, but it's a lot cheaper and it works
>>>>>> with a roku. You do need a USB hard drive for dvr functions, since it
>>>>>> doesn't have one built in. Sling has a deal going right now for a free 
>>>>>> one
>>>>>> if you prepay for 3 months of service (which is only $75).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 7:58 PM Chuck McCown >>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeahbut, I need OTA DVR.  I use Roku for almost everything else.
>>>>>>>
>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

2019-01-19 Thread Bill Prince
They replaced the DVR+ with the Stream+. It looks mostly similar, but is
cheaper. Don't really care for the new form factor, but it's not obnoxious.

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On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 4:58 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Yeah, but the DVR+ appears to be discontinued.
>
> On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 6:38 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> Similar to the DVR+. It has 2 tuners, which works great for us. If you're
>> watching live TV, you can pause/rewind/fast forward. You can record two
>> programs while watching a pre-recorded show. It also has several "streaming
>> channels", but we almost never watch them through the DVR+. If we want to
>> stream something, we go through the Roku. Roku connects us to pretty much
>> anything we're interested in; Netflix, Prime, Hulu, Vudu. There must be 30
>> or 40 different streaming thingies.
>>
>> --
>> bp
>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 3:22 PM Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So, the AirTV does have an ethernet port on it, and it works fine to
>>> just plug it into the lan instead of using wifi. After it's setup, the over
>>> the air channels show up in the Sling app, just like the Sling streaming
>>> channels. They do give you the option of signing up for a free account if
>>> you don't want to subscribe to Sling.
>>>
>>> The biggest problem I see with it, is that you can't pause and rewind
>>> live tv... you can start recording something and then go watch the recorded
>>> program to be able to pause and rewind, but that's a bit of a pain.
>>>
>>> They do have another box, the AirTV Player (which is basically an
>>> Android TV box with a USB tuner that plugs into it), that does let you
>>> pause and rewind live TV, but it only works for one TV, and you need to
>>> have an antenna connected to it.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 9:04 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
>>>> When you get it, please let me know how I can get the content off of it
>>>> without using wifi, if possible.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2019 7:45 PM
>>>> *To:* AFMUG
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
>>>>
>>>> You don't need a sling subscription (or at least not a paid one), and
>>>> it does have an ethernet port.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 8:39 PM Chuck McCown >>>
>>>>> Two downsides I see:
>>>>> 1)It wants you to subscribe to SlingTV.  While I do subscribe I
>>>>> don’t want to have to subscribe.  That makes me not want to buy it.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2)It delivers content via wifi.  It probably would not talk from
>>>>> my basement to my upstairs.  If it has the ability to deliver via lan then
>>>>> it is much more useful to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2019 7:33 PM
>>>>> *To:* AFMUG
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
>>>>>
>>>>> I just ordered one of these:
>>>>> https://www.airtv.net/products/airtv/
>>>>>
>>>>> The only downside I see compared to the Amazon thing is that it's only
>>>>> got two tuners instead of four, but it's a lot cheaper and it works with a
>>>>> roku. You do need a USB hard drive for dvr functions, since it doesn't 
>>>>> have
>>>>> one built in. Sling has a deal going right now for a free one if you 
>>>>> prepay
>>>>> for 3 months of service (which is only $75).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 7:58 PM Chuck McCown >>>>
>>>>>> Yeahbut, I need OTA DVR.  I use Roku for almost everything else.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2019 6:53 PM
>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've really been liking Roku for a streaming device.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:32 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tivo send me an ad trying to get me to upgrade to their latest box.
>>>>>>> I have a Roamio.  I own it.  I don’t pay them an

Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

2019-01-19 Thread Mathew Howard
Yeah, but the DVR+ appears to be discontinued.

On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 6:38 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Similar to the DVR+. It has 2 tuners, which works great for us. If you're
> watching live TV, you can pause/rewind/fast forward. You can record two
> programs while watching a pre-recorded show. It also has several "streaming
> channels", but we almost never watch them through the DVR+. If we want to
> stream something, we go through the Roku. Roku connects us to pretty much
> anything we're interested in; Netflix, Prime, Hulu, Vudu. There must be 30
> or 40 different streaming thingies.
>
> --
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> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 3:22 PM Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> So, the AirTV does have an ethernet port on it, and it works fine to just
>> plug it into the lan instead of using wifi. After it's setup, the over the
>> air channels show up in the Sling app, just like the Sling streaming
>> channels. They do give you the option of signing up for a free account if
>> you don't want to subscribe to Sling.
>>
>> The biggest problem I see with it, is that you can't pause and rewind
>> live tv... you can start recording something and then go watch the recorded
>> program to be able to pause and rewind, but that's a bit of a pain.
>>
>> They do have another box, the AirTV Player (which is basically an Android
>> TV box with a USB tuner that plugs into it), that does let you pause and
>> rewind live TV, but it only works for one TV, and you need to have an
>> antenna connected to it.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 9:04 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> When you get it, please let me know how I can get the content off of it
>>> without using wifi, if possible.
>>>
>>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2019 7:45 PM
>>> *To:* AFMUG
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
>>>
>>> You don't need a sling subscription (or at least not a paid one), and it
>>> does have an ethernet port.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 8:39 PM Chuck McCown >>
>>>> Two downsides I see:
>>>> 1)It wants you to subscribe to SlingTV.  While I do subscribe I
>>>> don’t want to have to subscribe.  That makes me not want to buy it.
>>>>
>>>> 2)It delivers content via wifi.  It probably would not talk from my
>>>> basement to my upstairs.  If it has the ability to deliver via lan then it
>>>> is much more useful to me.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2019 7:33 PM
>>>> *To:* AFMUG
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
>>>>
>>>> I just ordered one of these:
>>>> https://www.airtv.net/products/airtv/
>>>>
>>>> The only downside I see compared to the Amazon thing is that it's only
>>>> got two tuners instead of four, but it's a lot cheaper and it works with a
>>>> roku. You do need a USB hard drive for dvr functions, since it doesn't have
>>>> one built in. Sling has a deal going right now for a free one if you prepay
>>>> for 3 months of service (which is only $75).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 7:58 PM Chuck McCown >>>
>>>>> Yeahbut, I need OTA DVR.  I use Roku for almost everything else.
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2019 6:53 PM
>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
>>>>>
>>>>> I've really been liking Roku for a streaming device.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:32 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Tivo send me an ad trying to get me to upgrade to their latest box.
>>>>>> I have a Roamio.  I own it.  I don’t pay them anything monthly.  After 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> upgrade deal went away, my Roamio bricked...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Arrgh.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Might go with Amazon Firebox...
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Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

2019-01-19 Thread Bill Prince
Similar to the DVR+. It has 2 tuners, which works great for us. If you're
watching live TV, you can pause/rewind/fast forward. You can record two
programs while watching a pre-recorded show. It also has several "streaming
channels", but we almost never watch them through the DVR+. If we want to
stream something, we go through the Roku. Roku connects us to pretty much
anything we're interested in; Netflix, Prime, Hulu, Vudu. There must be 30
or 40 different streaming thingies.

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On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 3:22 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> So, the AirTV does have an ethernet port on it, and it works fine to just
> plug it into the lan instead of using wifi. After it's setup, the over the
> air channels show up in the Sling app, just like the Sling streaming
> channels. They do give you the option of signing up for a free account if
> you don't want to subscribe to Sling.
>
> The biggest problem I see with it, is that you can't pause and rewind live
> tv... you can start recording something and then go watch the recorded
> program to be able to pause and rewind, but that's a bit of a pain.
>
> They do have another box, the AirTV Player (which is basically an Android
> TV box with a USB tuner that plugs into it), that does let you pause and
> rewind live TV, but it only works for one TV, and you need to have an
> antenna connected to it.
>
> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 9:04 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> When you get it, please let me know how I can get the content off of it
>> without using wifi, if possible.
>>
>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2019 7:45 PM
>> *To:* AFMUG
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
>>
>> You don't need a sling subscription (or at least not a paid one), and it
>> does have an ethernet port.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 8:39 PM Chuck McCown >
>>> Two downsides I see:
>>> 1)It wants you to subscribe to SlingTV.  While I do subscribe I
>>> don’t want to have to subscribe.  That makes me not want to buy it.
>>>
>>> 2)It delivers content via wifi.  It probably would not talk from my
>>> basement to my upstairs.  If it has the ability to deliver via lan then it
>>> is much more useful to me.
>>>
>>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2019 7:33 PM
>>> *To:* AFMUG
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
>>>
>>> I just ordered one of these:
>>> https://www.airtv.net/products/airtv/
>>>
>>> The only downside I see compared to the Amazon thing is that it's only
>>> got two tuners instead of four, but it's a lot cheaper and it works with a
>>> roku. You do need a USB hard drive for dvr functions, since it doesn't have
>>> one built in. Sling has a deal going right now for a free one if you prepay
>>> for 3 months of service (which is only $75).
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 7:58 PM Chuck McCown >>
>>>> Yeahbut, I need OTA DVR.  I use Roku for almost everything else.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2019 6:53 PM
>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
>>>>
>>>> I've really been liking Roku for a streaming device.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:32 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Tivo send me an ad trying to get me to upgrade to their latest box.  I
>>>>> have a Roamio.  I own it.  I don’t pay them anything monthly.  After the
>>>>> upgrade deal went away, my Roamio bricked...
>>>>>
>>>>> Arrgh.
>>>>>
>>>>> Might go with Amazon Firebox...
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>>>
>>> On Jan 14, 2019 7:58 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeahbut, I need OTA DVR.  I use Roku for almost everything else.
>>>
>>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2019 6:53 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm

Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

2019-01-19 Thread Mathew Howard
So, the AirTV does have an ethernet port on it, and it works fine to just
plug it into the lan instead of using wifi. After it's setup, the over the
air channels show up in the Sling app, just like the Sling streaming
channels. They do give you the option of signing up for a free account if
you don't want to subscribe to Sling.

The biggest problem I see with it, is that you can't pause and rewind live
tv... you can start recording something and then go watch the recorded
program to be able to pause and rewind, but that's a bit of a pain.

They do have another box, the AirTV Player (which is basically an Android
TV box with a USB tuner that plugs into it), that does let you pause and
rewind live TV, but it only works for one TV, and you need to have an
antenna connected to it.

On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 9:04 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> When you get it, please let me know how I can get the content off of it
> without using wifi, if possible.
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2019 7:45 PM
> *To:* AFMUG
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
>
> You don't need a sling subscription (or at least not a paid one), and it
> does have an ethernet port.
>
> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 8:39 PM Chuck McCown 
>> Two downsides I see:
>> 1)It wants you to subscribe to SlingTV.  While I do subscribe I don’t
>> want to have to subscribe.  That makes me not want to buy it.
>>
>> 2)It delivers content via wifi.  It probably would not talk from my
>> basement to my upstairs.  If it has the ability to deliver via lan then it
>> is much more useful to me.
>>
>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2019 7:33 PM
>> *To:* AFMUG
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
>>
>> I just ordered one of these:
>> https://www.airtv.net/products/airtv/
>>
>> The only downside I see compared to the Amazon thing is that it's only
>> got two tuners instead of four, but it's a lot cheaper and it works with a
>> roku. You do need a USB hard drive for dvr functions, since it doesn't have
>> one built in. Sling has a deal going right now for a free one if you prepay
>> for 3 months of service (which is only $75).
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 7:58 PM Chuck McCown >
>>> Yeahbut, I need OTA DVR.  I use Roku for almost everything else.
>>>
>>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2019 6:53 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
>>>
>>> I've really been liking Roku for a streaming device.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:32 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tivo send me an ad trying to get me to upgrade to their latest box.  I
>>>> have a Roamio.  I own it.  I don’t pay them anything monthly.  After the
>>>> upgrade deal went away, my Roamio bricked...
>>>>
>>>> Arrgh.
>>>>
>>>> Might go with Amazon Firebox...
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>>
>> On Jan 14, 2019 7:58 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>> Yeahbut, I need OTA DVR.  I use Roku for almost everything else.
>>
>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2019 6:53 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
>>
>> I've really been liking Roku for a streaming device.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:32 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> Tivo send me an ad trying to get me to upgrade to their latest box.  I
>>> have a Roamio.  I own it.  I don’t pay them anything monthly.  After the
>>> upgrade deal went away, my Roamio bricked...
>>>
>>> Arrgh.
>>>
>>> Might go with Amazon Firebox...
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Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

2019-01-16 Thread Bill Prince
I use an OTA DVR (DVR+) plus a Roku. Works fine, lasts a long time.

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On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 5:58 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Yeahbut, I need OTA DVR.  I use Roku for almost everything else.
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2019 6:53 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
>
> I've really been liking Roku for a streaming device.
>
> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:32 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Tivo send me an ad trying to get me to upgrade to their latest box.  I
>> have a Roamio.  I own it.  I don’t pay them anything monthly.  After the
>> upgrade deal went away, my Roamio bricked...
>>
>> Arrgh.
>>
>> Might go with Amazon Firebox...
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Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

2019-01-16 Thread Robert Andrews

Life of the business...

On 01/15/2019 04:01 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I paid for the lifetime subscription on my ReplayTV.

Does “lifetime” mean the life of the unit, or the life of the owner?

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bruce Robertson
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 15, 2019 5:30 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

If you want the extended guide (more than what downloads automatically) 
you need to subscribe to that.   But it's a lot cheaper than TiVo.  I 
went ahead and paid for the lifetime subscription, so now I can ignore 
it totally as a sunk cost.


On 1/15/19 2:11 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

This looks perfect.  Nothing to subscribe to, right?

*From:*Bruce Robertson

*Sent:*Tuesday, January 15, 2019 2:06 PM

*To:*af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>

    *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

My favorite: https://www.tablotv.com

On 1/14/19 6:57 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Yeahbut, I need OTA DVR.  I use Roku for almost everything else.

*From:*Jason McKemie

*Sent:*Monday, January 14, 2019 6:53 PM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

    *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

I've really been liking Roku for a streaming device.

On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:32 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Tivo send me an ad trying to get me to upgrade to their
latest box.  I have a Roamio.  I own it.  I don’t pay them
anything monthly.  After the upgrade deal went away, my
Roamio bricked...

Arrgh.

Might go with Amazon Firebox...

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Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

2019-01-15 Thread Chuck McCown
Well at least I could get a good cheesesteak sandwich made by Russians.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 6:37 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

And second prize is TWO weeks in Philadelphia.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 6:15 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

 

Means you get the lifetime channel for free...

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 5:01 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

 

I paid for the lifetime subscription on my ReplayTV.

 

Does “lifetime” mean the life of the unit, or the life of the owner?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bruce Robertson
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 5:30 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

 

If you want the extended guide (more than what downloads automatically) you 
need to subscribe to that.   But it's a lot cheaper than TiVo.  I went ahead 
and paid for the lifetime subscription, so now I can ignore it totally as a 
sunk cost.

On 1/15/19 2:11 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  This looks perfect.  Nothing to subscribe to, right?

   

  From: Bruce Robertson 

  Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 2:06 PM

  To: af@af.afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

   

  My favorite:  https://www.tablotv.com

  On 1/14/19 6:57 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Yeahbut, I need OTA DVR.  I use Roku for almost everything else.  

 

From: Jason McKemie 

Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 6:53 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

 

I've really been liking Roku for a streaming device.

 

On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:32 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Tivo send me an ad trying to get me to upgrade to their latest box.  I 
have a Roamio.  I own it.  I don’t pay them anything monthly.  After the 
upgrade deal went away, my Roamio bricked...

   

  Arrgh.

   

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Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

2019-01-15 Thread Bruce Robertson

I'll take Philadelphia.

On 1/15/19 6:37 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


And second prize is TWO weeks in Philadelphia.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 15, 2019 6:15 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

Means you get the lifetime channel for free...

*From:*Ken Hohhof

*Sent:*Tuesday, January 15, 2019 5:01 PM

*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

I paid for the lifetime subscription on my ReplayTV.

Does “lifetime” mean the life of the unit, or the life of the owner?

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> 
*On Behalf Of *Bruce Robertson

*Sent:* Tuesday, January 15, 2019 5:30 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

If you want the extended guide (more than what downloads 
automatically) you need to subscribe to that.   But it's a lot cheaper 
than TiVo.  I went ahead and paid for the lifetime subscription, so 
now I can ignore it totally as a sunk cost.


On 1/15/19 2:11 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

This looks perfect. Nothing to subscribe to, right?

*From:*Bruce Robertson

*Sent:*Tuesday, January 15, 2019 2:06 PM

*To:*af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

My favorite: https://www.tablotv.com

On 1/14/19 6:57 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Yeahbut, I need OTA DVR.  I use Roku for almost everything else.

*From:*Jason McKemie

*Sent:*Monday, January 14, 2019 6:53 PM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

I've really been liking Roku for a streaming device.

On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:32 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Tivo send me an ad trying to get me to upgrade to their
latest box.  I have a Roamio.  I own it. I don’t pay them
anything monthly. After the upgrade deal went away, my
Roamio bricked...

Arrgh.

Might go with Amazon Firebox...

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Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

2019-01-15 Thread Ken Hohhof
And second prize is TWO weeks in Philadelphia.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 6:15 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

 

Means you get the lifetime channel for free...

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 5:01 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

 

I paid for the lifetime subscription on my ReplayTV.

 

Does “lifetime” mean the life of the unit, or the life of the owner?

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Bruce Robertson
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 5:30 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

 

If you want the extended guide (more than what downloads automatically) you 
need to subscribe to that.   But it's a lot cheaper than TiVo.  I went ahead 
and paid for the lifetime subscription, so now I can ignore it totally as a 
sunk cost.

On 1/15/19 2:11 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>  wrote:

This looks perfect.  Nothing to subscribe to, right?

 

From: Bruce Robertson 

Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 2:06 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

 

My favorite:  https://www.tablotv.com

On 1/14/19 6:57 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Yeahbut, I need OTA DVR.  I use Roku for almost everything else.  

 

From: Jason McKemie 

Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 6:53 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

 

I've really been liking Roku for a streaming device.

 

On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:32 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

Tivo send me an ad trying to get me to upgrade to their latest box.  I have a 
Roamio.  I own it.  I don’t pay them anything monthly.  After the upgrade deal 
went away, my Roamio bricked...

 

Arrgh.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

2019-01-15 Thread chuck
Means you get the lifetime channel for free...

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 5:01 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

I paid for the lifetime subscription on my ReplayTV.

 

Does “lifetime” mean the life of the unit, or the life of the owner?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bruce Robertson
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 5:30 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

 

If you want the extended guide (more than what downloads automatically) you 
need to subscribe to that.   But it's a lot cheaper than TiVo.  I went ahead 
and paid for the lifetime subscription, so now I can ignore it totally as a 
sunk cost.

On 1/15/19 2:11 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  This looks perfect.  Nothing to subscribe to, right?

   

  From: Bruce Robertson 

  Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 2:06 PM

  To: af@af.afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

   

  My favorite:  https://www.tablotv.com

  On 1/14/19 6:57 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Yeahbut, I need OTA DVR.  I use Roku for almost everything else.  

 

From: Jason McKemie 

Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 6:53 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

 

I've really been liking Roku for a streaming device.

 

On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:32 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Tivo send me an ad trying to get me to upgrade to their latest box.  I 
have a Roamio.  I own it.  I don’t pay them anything monthly.  After the 
upgrade deal went away, my Roamio bricked...

   

  Arrgh.

   

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Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

2019-01-15 Thread chuck
fat finger


From: Bruce Robertson 
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 4:30 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

$44.99 a month  Where are you getting that?  My lifetime subscription was 
only $150, IIRC.


On 1/15/19 3:06 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  arrgh, 44.99/month

  From: Mathew Howard 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 2:48 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

  https://www.tablotv.com/tv-guide-data-subscriptions/

  Looks like you get a 1 day guide for free, and there's also maybe some 
scheduling limitations without a subscription. And yeah, the Tablo connect 
thing for out of home viewing appears to be subscription only.


  On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 3:27 PM  wrote:

It mentions that you need to pay for something if you want to view outside 
of your lan.  

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 2:20 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

I'm pretty sure Tablo charges for the guide


On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 3:12 PM  wrote:

  This looks perfect.  Nothing to subscribe to, right?

  From: Bruce Robertson 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 2:06 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

  My favorite:  https://www.tablotv.com


  On 1/14/19 6:57 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Yeahbut, I need OTA DVR.  I use Roku for almost everything else.  

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 6:53 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

I've really been liking Roku for a streaming device.

On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:32 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Tivo send me an ad trying to get me to upgrade to their latest box.  
I have a Roamio.  I own it.  I don’t pay them anything monthly.  After the 
upgrade deal went away, my Roamio bricked...

  Arrgh.

  Might go with Amazon Firebox...
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Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

2019-01-15 Thread Bruce Robertson

In Tablo's case, the life of the owner.

On 1/15/19 5:01 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I paid for the lifetime subscription on my ReplayTV.

Does “lifetime” mean the life of the unit, or the life of the owner?

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bruce Robertson
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 15, 2019 5:30 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

If you want the extended guide (more than what downloads 
automatically) you need to subscribe to that.   But it's a lot cheaper 
than TiVo.  I went ahead and paid for the lifetime subscription, so 
now I can ignore it totally as a sunk cost.


On 1/15/19 2:11 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

This looks perfect.  Nothing to subscribe to, right?

*From:*Bruce Robertson

*Sent:*Tuesday, January 15, 2019 2:06 PM

*To:*af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>

    *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

My favorite: https://www.tablotv.com

On 1/14/19 6:57 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Yeahbut, I need OTA DVR.  I use Roku for almost everything else.

*From:*Jason McKemie

*Sent:*Monday, January 14, 2019 6:53 PM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

    *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

I've really been liking Roku for a streaming device.

On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:32 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Tivo send me an ad trying to get me to upgrade to their
latest box.  I have a Roamio.  I own it.  I don’t pay them
anything monthly.  After the upgrade deal went away, my
Roamio bricked...

Arrgh.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

2019-01-15 Thread Ken Hohhof
I paid for the lifetime subscription on my ReplayTV.

 

Does “lifetime” mean the life of the unit, or the life of the owner?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bruce Robertson
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 5:30 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

 

If you want the extended guide (more than what downloads automatically) you 
need to subscribe to that.   But it's a lot cheaper than TiVo.  I went ahead 
and paid for the lifetime subscription, so now I can ignore it totally as a 
sunk cost.

On 1/15/19 2:11 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>  wrote:

This looks perfect.  Nothing to subscribe to, right?

 

From: Bruce Robertson 

Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 2:06 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

 

My favorite:  https://www.tablotv.com

On 1/14/19 6:57 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Yeahbut, I need OTA DVR.  I use Roku for almost everything else.  

 

From: Jason McKemie 

Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 6:53 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

 

I've really been liking Roku for a streaming device.

 

On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:32 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

Tivo send me an ad trying to get me to upgrade to their latest box.  I have a 
Roamio.  I own it.  I don’t pay them anything monthly.  After the upgrade deal 
went away, my Roamio bricked...

 

Arrgh.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

2019-01-15 Thread Bruce Robertson
Only $4.99/mo (a third the price of TiVo IIRC),  $49.99/year, $149.99 
lifetime, which is what I did.


On 1/15/19 4:30 PM, Bruce Robertson wrote:
$44.99 a month  Where are you getting that?  My lifetime 
subscription was only $150, IIRC.


On 1/15/19 3:06 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

arrgh, 44.99/month
*From:* Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 15, 2019 2:48 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
https://www.tablotv.com/tv-guide-data-subscriptions/
Looks like you get a 1 day guide for free, and there's also maybe 
some scheduling limitations without a subscription. And yeah, the 
Tablo connect thing for out of home viewing appears to be 
subscription only.

On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 3:27 PM  wrote:

It mentions that you need to pay for something if you want to
view outside of your lan.
*From:* Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 15, 2019 2:20 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
I'm pretty sure Tablo charges for the guide
On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 3:12 PM  wrote:

This looks perfect.  Nothing to subscribe to, right?
*From:* Bruce Robertson
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 15, 2019 2:06 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
My favorite: https://www.tablotv.com

On 1/14/19 6:57 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Yeahbut, I need OTA DVR.  I use Roku for almost everything
else.
*From:* Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2019 6:53 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
I've really been liking Roku for a streaming device.
On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:32 PM Chuck McCown
 wrote:

Tivo send me an ad trying to get me to upgrade to their
latest box.  I have a Roamio.  I own it.  I don’t pay
them anything monthly. After the upgrade deal went away,
my Roamio bricked...
Arrgh.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

2019-01-15 Thread Bruce Robertson
$44.99 a month  Where are you getting that?  My lifetime 
subscription was only $150, IIRC.


On 1/15/19 3:06 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

arrgh, 44.99/month
*From:* Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 15, 2019 2:48 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
https://www.tablotv.com/tv-guide-data-subscriptions/
Looks like you get a 1 day guide for free, and there's also maybe some 
scheduling limitations without a subscription. And yeah, the Tablo 
connect thing for out of home viewing appears to be subscription only.

On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 3:27 PM  wrote:

It mentions that you need to pay for something if you want to view
outside of your lan.
*From:* Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 15, 2019 2:20 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
I'm pretty sure Tablo charges for the guide
On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 3:12 PM  wrote:

This looks perfect.  Nothing to subscribe to, right?
*From:* Bruce Robertson
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 15, 2019 2:06 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
My favorite: https://www.tablotv.com

On 1/14/19 6:57 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Yeahbut, I need OTA DVR. I use Roku for almost everything else.
*From:* Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2019 6:53 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
I've really been liking Roku for a streaming device.
On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:32 PM Chuck McCown
 wrote:

Tivo send me an ad trying to get me to upgrade to their
latest box.  I have a Roamio.  I own it.  I don’t pay
them anything monthly. After the upgrade deal went away,
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Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

2019-01-15 Thread Bruce Robertson
If you want the extended guide (more than what downloads automatically) 
you need to subscribe to that.   But it's a lot cheaper than TiVo.  I 
went ahead and paid for the lifetime subscription, so now I can ignore 
it totally as a sunk cost.


On 1/15/19 2:11 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

This looks perfect.  Nothing to subscribe to, right?
*From:* Bruce Robertson
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 15, 2019 2:06 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
My favorite: https://www.tablotv.com

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Yeahbut, I need OTA DVR.  I use Roku for almost everything else.
*From:* Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2019 6:53 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
I've really been liking Roku for a streaming device.
On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:32 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

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box.  I have a Roamio.  I own it. I don’t pay them anything
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Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

2019-01-15 Thread chuck
arrgh, 44.99/month

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 2:48 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

https://www.tablotv.com/tv-guide-data-subscriptions/

Looks like you get a 1 day guide for free, and there's also maybe some 
scheduling limitations without a subscription. And yeah, the Tablo connect 
thing for out of home viewing appears to be subscription only.


On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 3:27 PM  wrote:

  It mentions that you need to pay for something if you want to view outside of 
your lan.  

  From: Mathew Howard 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 2:20 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

  I'm pretty sure Tablo charges for the guide


  On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 3:12 PM  wrote:

This looks perfect.  Nothing to subscribe to, right?

From: Bruce Robertson 
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 2:06 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

My favorite:  https://www.tablotv.com


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  Yeahbut, I need OTA DVR.  I use Roku for almost everything else.  

  From: Jason McKemie 
  Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 6:53 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

  I've really been liking Roku for a streaming device.

  On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:32 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

Tivo send me an ad trying to get me to upgrade to their latest box.  I 
have a Roamio.  I own it.  I don’t pay them anything monthly.  After the 
upgrade deal went away, my Roamio bricked...

Arrgh.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

2019-01-15 Thread Mathew Howard
https://www.tablotv.com/tv-guide-data-subscriptions/

Looks like you get a 1 day guide for free, and there's also maybe some
scheduling limitations without a subscription. And yeah, the Tablo connect
thing for out of home viewing appears to be subscription only.

On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 3:27 PM  wrote:

> It mentions that you need to pay for something if you want to view outside
> of your lan.
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 15, 2019 2:20 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
>
> I'm pretty sure Tablo charges for the guide
>
> On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 3:12 PM  wrote:
>
>> This looks perfect.  Nothing to subscribe to, right?
>>
>> *From:* Bruce Robertson
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 15, 2019 2:06 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
>>
>> My favorite:  https://www.tablotv.com
>>
>> On 1/14/19 6:57 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> Yeahbut, I need OTA DVR.  I use Roku for almost everything else.
>>
>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2019 6:53 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
>>
>> I've really been liking Roku for a streaming device.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:32 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> Tivo send me an ad trying to get me to upgrade to their latest box.  I
>>> have a Roamio.  I own it.  I don’t pay them anything monthly.  After the
>>> upgrade deal went away, my Roamio bricked...
>>>
>>> Arrgh.
>>>
>>> Might go with Amazon Firebox...
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Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

2019-01-15 Thread chuck
It mentions that you need to pay for something if you want to view outside of 
your lan.  

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 2:20 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

I'm pretty sure Tablo charges for the guide


On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 3:12 PM  wrote:

  This looks perfect.  Nothing to subscribe to, right?

  From: Bruce Robertson 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 2:06 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

  My favorite:  https://www.tablotv.com


  On 1/14/19 6:57 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Yeahbut, I need OTA DVR.  I use Roku for almost everything else.  

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 6:53 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

I've really been liking Roku for a streaming device.

On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:32 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Tivo send me an ad trying to get me to upgrade to their latest box.  I 
have a Roamio.  I own it.  I don’t pay them anything monthly.  After the 
upgrade deal went away, my Roamio bricked...

  Arrgh.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

2019-01-15 Thread Mathew Howard
I'm pretty sure Tablo charges for the guide

On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 3:12 PM  wrote:

> This looks perfect.  Nothing to subscribe to, right?
>
> *From:* Bruce Robertson
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 15, 2019 2:06 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
>
> My favorite:  https://www.tablotv.com
>
> On 1/14/19 6:57 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Yeahbut, I need OTA DVR.  I use Roku for almost everything else.
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2019 6:53 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
>
> I've really been liking Roku for a streaming device.
>
> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:32 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Tivo send me an ad trying to get me to upgrade to their latest box.  I
>> have a Roamio.  I own it.  I don’t pay them anything monthly.  After the
>> upgrade deal went away, my Roamio bricked...
>>
>> Arrgh.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

2019-01-15 Thread chuck
This looks perfect.  Nothing to subscribe to, right?

From: Bruce Robertson 
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 2:06 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

My favorite:  https://www.tablotv.com


On 1/14/19 6:57 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Yeahbut, I need OTA DVR.  I use Roku for almost everything else.  

  From: Jason McKemie 
  Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 6:53 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

  I've really been liking Roku for a streaming device.

  On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:32 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

Tivo send me an ad trying to get me to upgrade to their latest box.  I have 
a Roamio.  I own it.  I don’t pay them anything monthly.  After the upgrade 
deal went away, my Roamio bricked...

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Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

2019-01-15 Thread Bruce Robertson

My favorite:  https://www.tablotv.com

On 1/14/19 6:57 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Yeahbut, I need OTA DVR.  I use Roku for almost everything else.
*From:* Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2019 6:53 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
I've really been liking Roku for a streaming device.
On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:32 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

Tivo send me an ad trying to get me to upgrade to their latest
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monthly.  After the upgrade deal went away, my Roamio bricked...
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Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

2019-01-14 Thread Lewis Bergman
I have 4 channel masters I plan on giving to my worst enemy next Christmas.
I have been using Tablo for a month and mostly really like it singing gets
stuck on a blank screen. Haven't tracked that down yet. Might be due to
marginal signal.

On Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 9:04 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> When you get it, please let me know how I can get the content off of it
> without using wifi, if possible.
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2019 7:45 PM
> *To:* AFMUG
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
>
> You don't need a sling subscription (or at least not a paid one), and it
> does have an ethernet port.
>
> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 8:39 PM Chuck McCown 
>> Two downsides I see:
>> 1)It wants you to subscribe to SlingTV.  While I do subscribe I don’t
>> want to have to subscribe.  That makes me not want to buy it.
>>
>> 2)It delivers content via wifi.  It probably would not talk from my
>> basement to my upstairs.  If it has the ability to deliver via lan then it
>> is much more useful to me.
>>
>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2019 7:33 PM
>> *To:* AFMUG
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
>>
>> I just ordered one of these:
>> https://www.airtv.net/products/airtv/
>>
>> The only downside I see compared to the Amazon thing is that it's only
>> got two tuners instead of four, but it's a lot cheaper and it works with a
>> roku. You do need a USB hard drive for dvr functions, since it doesn't have
>> one built in. Sling has a deal going right now for a free one if you prepay
>> for 3 months of service (which is only $75).
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 7:58 PM Chuck McCown >
>>> Yeahbut, I need OTA DVR.  I use Roku for almost everything else.
>>>
>>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2019 6:53 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
>>>
>>> I've really been liking Roku for a streaming device.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:32 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tivo send me an ad trying to get me to upgrade to their latest box.  I
>>>> have a Roamio.  I own it.  I don’t pay them anything monthly.  After the
>>>> upgrade deal went away, my Roamio bricked...
>>>>
>>>> Arrgh.
>>>>
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>> On Jan 14, 2019 7:58 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>> Yeahbut, I need OTA DVR.  I use Roku for almost everything else.
>>
>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2019 6:53 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
>>
>> I've really been liking Roku for a streaming device.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:32 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> Tivo send me an ad trying to get me to upgrade to their latest box.  I
>>> have a Roamio.  I own it.  I don’t pay them anything monthly.  After the
>>> upgrade deal went away, my Roamio bricked...
>>>
>>> Arrgh.
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

2019-01-14 Thread Chuck McCown
When you get it, please let me know how I can get the content off of it without 
using wifi, if possible.  

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 7:45 PM
To: AFMUG 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

You don't need a sling subscription (or at least not a paid one), and it does 
have an ethernet port. 

On Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 8:39 PM Chuck McCown https://www.airtv.net/products/airtv/


  The only downside I see compared to the Amazon thing is that it's only got 
two tuners instead of four, but it's a lot cheaper and it works with a roku. 
You do need a USB hard drive for dvr functions, since it doesn't have one built 
in. Sling has a deal going right now for a free one if you prepay for 3 months 
of service (which is only $75).


  On Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 7:58 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Tivo send me an ad trying to get me to upgrade to their latest box.  I 
have a Roamio.  I own it.  I don’t pay them anything monthly.  After the 
upgrade deal went away, my Roamio bricked...

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Yeahbut, I need OTA DVR.  I use Roku for almost everything else.  

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 6:53 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

I've really been liking Roku for a streaming device.

On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:32 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Tivo send me an ad trying to get me to upgrade to their latest box.  I 
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upgrade deal went away, my Roamio bricked...

  Arrgh.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

2019-01-14 Thread Mathew Howard
You don't need a sling subscription (or at least not a paid one), and it
does have an ethernet port.

On Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 8:39 PM Chuck McCown  Two downsides I see:
> 1)It wants you to subscribe to SlingTV.  While I do subscribe I don’t
> want to have to subscribe.  That makes me not want to buy it.
>
> 2)It delivers content via wifi.  It probably would not talk from my
> basement to my upstairs.  If it has the ability to deliver via lan then it
> is much more useful to me.
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2019 7:33 PM
> *To:* AFMUG
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
>
> I just ordered one of these:
> https://www.airtv.net/products/airtv/
>
> The only downside I see compared to the Amazon thing is that it's only got
> two tuners instead of four, but it's a lot cheaper and it works with a
> roku. You do need a USB hard drive for dvr functions, since it doesn't have
> one built in. Sling has a deal going right now for a free one if you prepay
> for 3 months of service (which is only $75).
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 7:58 PM Chuck McCown 
>> Yeahbut, I need OTA DVR.  I use Roku for almost everything else.
>>
>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2019 6:53 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
>>
>> I've really been liking Roku for a streaming device.
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>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:32 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
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>>> Tivo send me an ad trying to get me to upgrade to their latest box.  I
>>> have a Roamio.  I own it.  I don’t pay them anything monthly.  After the
>>> upgrade deal went away, my Roamio bricked...
>>>
>>> Arrgh.
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> Yeahbut, I need OTA DVR.  I use Roku for almost everything else.
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2019 6:53 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
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> I've really been liking Roku for a streaming device.
>
> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:32 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Tivo send me an ad trying to get me to upgrade to their latest box.  I
>> have a Roamio.  I own it.  I don’t pay them anything monthly.  After the
>> upgrade deal went away, my Roamio bricked...
>>
>> Arrgh.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

2019-01-14 Thread Chuck McCown
Two downsides I see:
1)It wants you to subscribe to SlingTV.  While I do subscribe I don’t want 
to have to subscribe.  That makes me not want to buy it.

2)It delivers content via wifi.  It probably would not talk from my 
basement to my upstairs.  If it has the ability to deliver via lan then it is 
much more useful to me.  

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 7:33 PM
To: AFMUG 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

I just ordered one of these: 
https://www.airtv.net/products/airtv/


The only downside I see compared to the Amazon thing is that it's only got two 
tuners instead of four, but it's a lot cheaper and it works with a roku. You do 
need a USB hard drive for dvr functions, since it doesn't have one built in. 
Sling has a deal going right now for a free one if you prepay for 3 months of 
service (which is only $75).


On Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 7:58 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

Tivo send me an ad trying to get me to upgrade to their latest box.  I have 
a Roamio.  I own it.  I don’t pay them anything monthly.  After the upgrade 
deal went away, my Roamio bricked...

Arrgh.

Might go with Amazon Firebox...
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  Yeahbut, I need OTA DVR.  I use Roku for almost everything else.  

  From: Jason McKemie 
  Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 6:53 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

  I've really been liking Roku for a streaming device.

  On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:32 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

Tivo send me an ad trying to get me to upgrade to their latest box.  I have 
a Roamio.  I own it.  I don’t pay them anything monthly.  After the upgrade 
deal went away, my Roamio bricked...

Arrgh.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

2019-01-14 Thread Mathew Howard
I just ordered one of these:
https://www.airtv.net/products/airtv/

The only downside I see compared to the Amazon thing is that it's only got
two tuners instead of four, but it's a lot cheaper and it works with a
roku. You do need a USB hard drive for dvr functions, since it doesn't have
one built in. Sling has a deal going right now for a free one if you prepay
for 3 months of service (which is only $75).


On Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 7:58 PM Chuck McCown  Yeahbut, I need OTA DVR.  I use Roku for almost everything else.
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2019 6:53 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
>
> I've really been liking Roku for a streaming device.
>
> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:32 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Tivo send me an ad trying to get me to upgrade to their latest box.  I
>> have a Roamio.  I own it.  I don’t pay them anything monthly.  After the
>> upgrade deal went away, my Roamio bricked...
>>
>> Arrgh.
>>
>> Might go with Amazon Firebox...
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On Jan 14, 2019 7:58 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Yeahbut, I need OTA DVR.  I use Roku for almost everything else.

*From:* Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2019 6:53 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

I've really been liking Roku for a streaming device.

On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:32 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Tivo send me an ad trying to get me to upgrade to their latest box.  I
> have a Roamio.  I own it.  I don’t pay them anything monthly.  After the
> upgrade deal went away, my Roamio bricked...
>
> Arrgh.
>
> Might go with Amazon Firebox...
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Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

2019-01-14 Thread Chuck McCown
Yeahbut, I need OTA DVR.  I use Roku for almost everything else.  

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 6:53 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

I've really been liking Roku for a streaming device.

On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:32 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Tivo send me an ad trying to get me to upgrade to their latest box.  I have a 
Roamio.  I own it.  I don’t pay them anything monthly.  After the upgrade deal 
went away, my Roamio bricked...

  Arrgh.

  Might go with Amazon Firebox...
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Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

2019-01-14 Thread Jason McKemie
I've really been liking Roku for a streaming device.

On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:32 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Tivo send me an ad trying to get me to upgrade to their latest box.  I
> have a Roamio.  I own it.  I don’t pay them anything monthly.  After the
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> Arrgh.
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2019-01-14 Thread Chuck McCown
Tivo send me an ad trying to get me to upgrade to their latest box.  I have a 
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