Re: [AFMUG] replacing a CBRS AP

[Dave]

+1000

Yeaaa Color Codes...


On 8/13/2020 1:58 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

You could utilize primary/secondary color codes, too.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 2:54 PM Sean Heskett <mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:


i would HIGHLY recommend (especially with CBRS but also just in
general) using the color code feature and putting a unique color
code on each AP.  it gives you much more control to prevent
unintended consequences.

like josh said tho, as for the SAS the CPE is in the same location
aimed in the same direction so no change.

On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 11:40 AM Matt Hoppes
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:

So... here's a situation I bet no one thought about...

I have an AP at 0 degrees north, and my CPE is directly south
at 180.  I
file as such.

The AP goes offline but the CPEs now see a sector directly
behind them
and connect to that.

Is the reported to the SAS azimuth now 0 degrees (dish is
pointing
north) or 180 degrees (CPE is attached to a sector behind it
off the
backside)?




On 8/13/20 12:23 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Well, the SAS doesn’t care.  But to get authorized to
transmit and to
> send heartbeats, the SM needs to communicate
SM-AP-cnMaestro.  And it
> needs to use that trick where a CBSD is allowed to transmit
very briefly
> before authorization, and then the AP takes the SM under its
wing and
> gets the grant information from cnMaestro.
>
> Similar mechanism if you set alternate color codes, so SMs
can move
> automatically to an alternate sector.
>
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 13, 2020 10:31 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] replacing a CBRS AP
>
> That would make sense.  The AP/SM thing is just a
Cambium/CNmaestro
> thing.  CBRS doesn't care who the parent is, it needs to
know the
> bearing/elevation/position.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 10:46 AM Kurt Fankhauser
> mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>
<mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com
<mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>
>     so all you do is put up a 2nd AP and once its online
change the
>     Color Code to the same code the old SM's are and the sms
move over
>     to the new AP and the CBRS data transfers over
automatically in Maestro?
>
>     On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 6:14 PM Ken Hohhof
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
>     <mailto:af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>> wrote:
>
>         Matt thanks, we did that today and all the SMs just
moved
>         automagically to the replacement AP.
>
>         We imported a sector consisting of just the empty
AP, and pre
>         approved onboarding in cnMaestro.  It was Authorized
and Waiting
>         for Device.  Once the new AP was plugged in, it
synced and
>         enabled CBRS and the SMs moved over without any manual
>         intervention.  Pretty cool.
>
>         *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
>         <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>>> *On Behalf Of *Matt Mays
    >         *Sent:* Monday, August 10, 2020 11:19 AM
>         *To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
>         *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] replacing a CBRS AP
>
>         In my experience, you just CPI file a new empty AP
and sync it
>         once you have it in place.
>         The SMs should move to the new AP in the SAS admin
tool once
>         they register and the grants get re-used.
>
>         Then once the old AP is empty in cnMaestro SAS Admin
tool you
>         deregister the old AP and delete it from the system.
>
>         No reason to refile all of the subs just to swap out
the AP.
>

Re: [AFMUG] replacing a CBRS AP

[Josh Luthman]

You could utilize primary/secondary color codes, too.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 2:54 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> i would HIGHLY recommend (especially with CBRS but also just in general)
> using the color code feature and putting a unique color code on each AP.
>  it gives you much more control to prevent unintended consequences.
>
> like josh said tho, as for the SAS the CPE is in the same location aimed
> in the same direction so no change.
>
> On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 11:40 AM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> So... here's a situation I bet no one thought about...
>>
>> I have an AP at 0 degrees north, and my CPE is directly south at 180.  I
>> file as such.
>>
>> The AP goes offline but the CPEs now see a sector directly behind them
>> and connect to that.
>>
>> Is the reported to the SAS azimuth now 0 degrees (dish is pointing
>> north) or 180 degrees (CPE is attached to a sector behind it off the
>> backside)?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/13/20 12:23 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> > Well, the SAS doesn’t care.  But to get authorized to transmit and to
>> > send heartbeats, the SM needs to communicate SM-AP-cnMaestro.  And it
>> > needs to use that trick where a CBSD is allowed to transmit very
>> briefly
>> > before authorization, and then the AP takes the SM under its wing and
>> > gets the grant information from cnMaestro.
>> >
>> > Similar mechanism if you set alternate color codes, so SMs can move
>> > automatically to an alternate sector.
>> >
>> > *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> > *Sent:* Thursday, August 13, 2020 10:31 AM
>> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] replacing a CBRS AP
>> >
>> > That would make sense.  The AP/SM thing is just a Cambium/CNmaestro
>> > thing.  CBRS doesn't care who the parent is, it needs to know the
>> > bearing/elevation/position.
>> >
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >
>> > On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 10:46 AM Kurt Fankhauser
>> > mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > so all you do is put up a 2nd AP and once its online change the
>> > Color Code to the same code the old SM's are and the sms move over
>> > to the new AP and the CBRS data transfers over automatically in
>> Maestro?
>> >
>> > On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 6:14 PM Ken Hohhof > > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Matt thanks, we did that today and all the SMs just moved
>> > automagically to the replacement AP.
>> >
>> > We imported a sector consisting of just the empty AP, and pre
>> >     approved onboarding in cnMaestro.  It was Authorized and Waiting
>> > for Device.  Once the new AP was plugged in, it synced and
>> > enabled CBRS and the SMs moved over without any manual
>> > intervention.  Pretty cool.
>> >
>> > *From:* AF > > <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Matt Mays
>> > *Sent:* Monday, August 10, 2020 11:19 AM
>> > *To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
>> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] replacing a CBRS AP
>> >
>> > In my experience, you just CPI file a new empty AP and sync it
>> > once you have it in place.
>> > The SMs should move to the new AP in the SAS admin tool once
>> > they register and the grants get re-used.
>> >
>> > Then once the old AP is empty in cnMaestro SAS Admin tool you
>> > deregister the old AP and delete it from the system.
>> >
>> > No reason to refile all of the subs just to swap out the AP.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Matt Mays
>> > Amplex Internet
>> >
>> > On 8/10/2020 11:18 AM, dave wrote:
>> >
>> > Ken,
>> >   since the addition of the export button in the management
>> > tool it makes it easy todo.
>> > The key is ensuring you have a current sheet with all of
>> > your sector info and subs info up to date.
>> >  

Re: [AFMUG] replacing a CBRS AP

[Sean Heskett]

i would HIGHLY recommend (especially with CBRS but also just in general)
using the color code feature and putting a unique color code on each AP.
 it gives you much more control to prevent unintended consequences.

like josh said tho, as for the SAS the CPE is in the same location aimed in
the same direction so no change.

On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 11:40 AM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> So... here's a situation I bet no one thought about...
>
> I have an AP at 0 degrees north, and my CPE is directly south at 180.  I
> file as such.
>
> The AP goes offline but the CPEs now see a sector directly behind them
> and connect to that.
>
> Is the reported to the SAS azimuth now 0 degrees (dish is pointing
> north) or 180 degrees (CPE is attached to a sector behind it off the
> backside)?
>
>
>
>
> On 8/13/20 12:23 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> > Well, the SAS doesn’t care.  But to get authorized to transmit and to
> > send heartbeats, the SM needs to communicate SM-AP-cnMaestro.  And it
> > needs to use that trick where a CBSD is allowed to transmit very briefly
> > before authorization, and then the AP takes the SM under its wing and
> > gets the grant information from cnMaestro.
> >
> > Similar mechanism if you set alternate color codes, so SMs can move
> > automatically to an alternate sector.
> >
> > *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> > *Sent:* Thursday, August 13, 2020 10:31 AM
> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] replacing a CBRS AP
> >
> > That would make sense.  The AP/SM thing is just a Cambium/CNmaestro
> > thing.  CBRS doesn't care who the parent is, it needs to know the
> > bearing/elevation/position.
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 10:46 AM Kurt Fankhauser
> > mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > so all you do is put up a 2nd AP and once its online change the
> > Color Code to the same code the old SM's are and the sms move over
> > to the new AP and the CBRS data transfers over automatically in
> Maestro?
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 6:14 PM Ken Hohhof  > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Matt thanks, we did that today and all the SMs just moved
> > automagically to the replacement AP.
> >
> > We imported a sector consisting of just the empty AP, and pre
> > approved onboarding in cnMaestro.  It was Authorized and Waiting
> > for Device.  Once the new AP was plugged in, it synced and
> > enabled CBRS and the SMs moved over without any manual
> > intervention.  Pretty cool.
> >
> > *From:* AF  > <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Matt Mays
> > *Sent:* Monday, August 10, 2020 11:19 AM
> > *To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] replacing a CBRS AP
> >
> > In my experience, you just CPI file a new empty AP and sync it
> > once you have it in place.
> > The SMs should move to the new AP in the SAS admin tool once
> > they register and the grants get re-used.
> >
> > Then once the old AP is empty in cnMaestro SAS Admin tool you
> > deregister the old AP and delete it from the system.
> >
> > No reason to refile all of the subs just to swap out the AP.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Matt Mays
> > Amplex Internet
> >
> > On 8/10/2020 11:18 AM, dave wrote:
> >
> > Ken,
> >   since the addition of the export button in the management
> > tool it makes it easy todo.
> > The key is ensuring you have a current sheet with all of
> > your sector info and subs info up to date.
> > update the sheet with new AP and your ready to go.
> >
> > Of course to answer your question to make a smoother
> > transition is to place the new ap into part 90
> > so you obtain all of your subs then update your management
> tool.
> >
> > I am sure someone here may correct me if im wrong.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > On 8/10/20 8:46 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone figured out the best procedure for replacing
> >

Re: [AFMUG] replacing a CBRS AP

[Josh Luthman]

CPE didn't change.  No change.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 1:40 PM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> So... here's a situation I bet no one thought about...
>
> I have an AP at 0 degrees north, and my CPE is directly south at 180.  I
> file as such.
>
> The AP goes offline but the CPEs now see a sector directly behind them
> and connect to that.
>
> Is the reported to the SAS azimuth now 0 degrees (dish is pointing
> north) or 180 degrees (CPE is attached to a sector behind it off the
> backside)?
>
>
>
>
> On 8/13/20 12:23 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> > Well, the SAS doesn’t care.  But to get authorized to transmit and to
> > send heartbeats, the SM needs to communicate SM-AP-cnMaestro.  And it
> > needs to use that trick where a CBSD is allowed to transmit very briefly
> > before authorization, and then the AP takes the SM under its wing and
> > gets the grant information from cnMaestro.
> >
> > Similar mechanism if you set alternate color codes, so SMs can move
> > automatically to an alternate sector.
> >
> > *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> > *Sent:* Thursday, August 13, 2020 10:31 AM
> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] replacing a CBRS AP
> >
> > That would make sense.  The AP/SM thing is just a Cambium/CNmaestro
> > thing.  CBRS doesn't care who the parent is, it needs to know the
> > bearing/elevation/position.
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 10:46 AM Kurt Fankhauser
> > mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > so all you do is put up a 2nd AP and once its online change the
> > Color Code to the same code the old SM's are and the sms move over
> > to the new AP and the CBRS data transfers over automatically in
> Maestro?
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 6:14 PM Ken Hohhof  > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Matt thanks, we did that today and all the SMs just moved
> > automagically to the replacement AP.
> >
> > We imported a sector consisting of just the empty AP, and pre
> > approved onboarding in cnMaestro.  It was Authorized and Waiting
> > for Device.  Once the new AP was plugged in, it synced and
> > enabled CBRS and the SMs moved over without any manual
> > intervention.  Pretty cool.
> >
> > *From:* AF  > <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Matt Mays
> > *Sent:* Monday, August 10, 2020 11:19 AM
> > *To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] replacing a CBRS AP
> >
> > In my experience, you just CPI file a new empty AP and sync it
> > once you have it in place.
> > The SMs should move to the new AP in the SAS admin tool once
> > they register and the grants get re-used.
> >
> > Then once the old AP is empty in cnMaestro SAS Admin tool you
> > deregister the old AP and delete it from the system.
> >
> > No reason to refile all of the subs just to swap out the AP.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Matt Mays
> > Amplex Internet
> >
> > On 8/10/2020 11:18 AM, dave wrote:
> >
> > Ken,
> >   since the addition of the export button in the management
> > tool it makes it easy todo.
> > The key is ensuring you have a current sheet with all of
> > your sector info and subs info up to date.
> > update the sheet with new AP and your ready to go.
> >
> > Of course to answer your question to make a smoother
> > transition is to place the new ap into part 90
> > so you obtain all of your subs then update your management
> tool.
> >
> > I am sure someone here may correct me if im wrong.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > On 8/10/20 8:46 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone figured out the best procedure for replacing
> > a Cambium CBRS AP?
> >
> > I’m guessing there is something more elegant and less
> > disruptive than deleting the whole sect

Re: [AFMUG] replacing a CBRS AP

[Matt Hoppes]

So... here's a situation I bet no one thought about...

I have an AP at 0 degrees north, and my CPE is directly south at 180.  I 
file as such.


The AP goes offline but the CPEs now see a sector directly behind them 
and connect to that.


Is the reported to the SAS azimuth now 0 degrees (dish is pointing 
north) or 180 degrees (CPE is attached to a sector behind it off the 
backside)?





On 8/13/20 12:23 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Well, the SAS doesn’t care.  But to get authorized to transmit and to 
send heartbeats, the SM needs to communicate SM-AP-cnMaestro.  And it 
needs to use that trick where a CBSD is allowed to transmit very briefly 
before authorization, and then the AP takes the SM under its wing and 
gets the grant information from cnMaestro.


Similar mechanism if you set alternate color codes, so SMs can move 
automatically to an alternate sector.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Thursday, August 13, 2020 10:31 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] replacing a CBRS AP

That would make sense.  The AP/SM thing is just a Cambium/CNmaestro 
thing.  CBRS doesn't care who the parent is, it needs to know the 
bearing/elevation/position.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 10:46 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:


so all you do is put up a 2nd AP and once its online change the
Color Code to the same code the old SM's are and the sms move over
to the new AP and the CBRS data transfers over automatically in Maestro?

On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 6:14 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

Matt thanks, we did that today and all the SMs just moved
automagically to the replacement AP.

We imported a sector consisting of just the empty AP, and pre
approved onboarding in cnMaestro.  It was Authorized and Waiting
for Device.  Once the new AP was plugged in, it synced and
enabled CBRS and the SMs moved over without any manual
intervention.  Pretty cool.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Matt Mays
*Sent:* Monday, August 10, 2020 11:19 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] replacing a CBRS AP

In my experience, you just CPI file a new empty AP and sync it
once you have it in place.
The SMs should move to the new AP in the SAS admin tool once
they register and the grants get re-used.

Then once the old AP is empty in cnMaestro SAS Admin tool you
deregister the old AP and delete it from the system.

No reason to refile all of the subs just to swap out the AP.

Thanks,
Matt Mays
Amplex Internet

On 8/10/2020 11:18 AM, dave wrote:

Ken,
  since the addition of the export button in the management
tool it makes it easy todo.
The key is ensuring you have a current sheet with all of
your sector info and subs info up to date.
update the sheet with new AP and your ready to go.

Of course to answer your question to make a smoother
transition is to place the new ap into part 90
so you obtain all of your subs then update your management tool.

I am sure someone here may correct me if im wrong.

Thanks
Dave


On 8/10/20 8:46 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Has anyone figured out the best procedure for replacing
a Cambium CBRS AP?

I’m guessing there is something more elegant and less
disruptive than deleting the whole sector while the tech
is swapping out the AP and then re importing into
cnMaestro from a spreadsheet and hoping everything goes
smoothly and customers are only down for a few minutes.

I’m talking about replacing an AP that is in service but
with issues.  Over the years we’ve run into RF issues
with the original connectorized 450 APs.  I’ve never
established whether it’s the AP or the sector antenna,
but replacing it solves the modulation and V/H ratio issues.

The same procedure would also apply if you are upgrading
to a 450i or 450m AP.



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Re: [AFMUG] replacing a CBRS AP

[Ken Hohhof]

Well, the SAS doesn’t care.  But to get authorized to transmit and to send 
heartbeats, the SM needs to communicate SM-AP-cnMaestro.  And it needs to use 
that trick where a CBSD is allowed to transmit very briefly before 
authorization, and then the AP takes the SM under its wing and gets the grant 
information from cnMaestro.

 

Similar mechanism if you set alternate color codes, so SMs can move 
automatically to an alternate sector.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 10:31 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] replacing a CBRS AP

 

That would make sense.  The AP/SM thing is just a Cambium/CNmaestro thing.  
CBRS doesn't care who the parent is, it needs to know the 
bearing/elevation/position.


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 10:46 AM Kurt Fankhauser mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

so all you do is put up a 2nd AP and once its online change the Color Code to 
the same code the old SM's are and the sms move over to the new AP and the CBRS 
data transfers over automatically in Maestro?

 

 

On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 6:14 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Matt thanks, we did that today and all the SMs just moved automagically to the 
replacement AP.

 

We imported a sector consisting of just the empty AP, and pre approved 
onboarding in cnMaestro.  It was Authorized and Waiting for Device.  Once the 
new AP was plugged in, it synced and enabled CBRS and the SMs moved over 
without any manual intervention.  Pretty cool.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Matt Mays
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2020 11:19 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] replacing a CBRS AP

 

In my experience, you just CPI file a new empty AP and sync it once you have it 
in place.
The SMs should move to the new AP in the SAS admin tool once they register and 
the grants get re-used.

Then once the old AP is empty in cnMaestro SAS Admin tool you deregister the 
old AP and delete it from the system.

No reason to refile all of the subs just to swap out the AP. 

Thanks,
Matt Mays
Amplex Internet

On 8/10/2020 11:18 AM, dave wrote:

Ken,
 since the addition of the export button in the management tool it makes it 
easy todo.
The key is ensuring you have a current sheet with all of your sector info and 
subs info up to date.
update the sheet with new AP and your ready to go.

Of course to answer your question to make a smoother transition is to place the 
new ap into part 90
so you obtain all of your subs then update your management tool.

I am sure someone here may correct me if im wrong.

Thanks
Dave




On 8/10/20 8:46 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Has anyone figured out the best procedure for replacing a Cambium CBRS AP?

 

I’m guessing there is something more elegant and less disruptive than deleting 
the whole sector while the tech is swapping out the AP and then re importing 
into cnMaestro from a spreadsheet and hoping everything goes smoothly and 
customers are only down for a few minutes.

 

I’m talking about replacing an AP that is in service but with issues.  Over the 
years we’ve run into RF issues with the original connectorized 450 APs.  I’ve 
never established whether it’s the AP or the sector antenna, but replacing it 
solves the modulation and V/H ratio issues.

 

The same procedure would also apply if you are upgrading to a 450i or 450m AP.

 





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Re: [AFMUG] replacing a CBRS AP

[Josh Luthman]

That would make sense.  The AP/SM thing is just a Cambium/CNmaestro thing.
CBRS doesn't care who the parent is, it needs to know the
bearing/elevation/position.

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On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 10:46 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> so all you do is put up a 2nd AP and once its online change the Color Code
> to the same code the old SM's are and the sms move over to the new AP and
> the CBRS data transfers over automatically in Maestro?
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 6:14 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Matt thanks, we did that today and all the SMs just moved automagically
>> to the replacement AP.
>>
>>
>>
>> We imported a sector consisting of just the empty AP, and pre approved
>> onboarding in cnMaestro.  It was Authorized and Waiting for Device.  Once
>> the new AP was plugged in, it synced and enabled CBRS and the SMs moved
>> over without any manual intervention.  Pretty cool.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Matt Mays
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 10, 2020 11:19 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] replacing a CBRS AP
>>
>>
>>
>> In my experience, you just CPI file a new empty AP and sync it once you
>> have it in place.
>> The SMs should move to the new AP in the SAS admin tool once they
>> register and the grants get re-used.
>>
>> Then once the old AP is empty in cnMaestro SAS Admin tool you deregister
>> the old AP and delete it from the system.
>>
>> No reason to refile all of the subs just to swap out the AP.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Matt Mays
>> Amplex Internet
>>
>> On 8/10/2020 11:18 AM, dave wrote:
>>
>> Ken,
>>  since the addition of the export button in the management tool it makes
>> it easy todo.
>> The key is ensuring you have a current sheet with all of your sector info
>> and subs info up to date.
>> update the sheet with new AP and your ready to go.
>>
>> Of course to answer your question to make a smoother transition is to
>> place the new ap into part 90
>> so you obtain all of your subs then update your management tool.
>>
>> I am sure someone here may correct me if im wrong.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> On 8/10/20 8:46 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> Has anyone figured out the best procedure for replacing a Cambium CBRS AP?
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m guessing there is something more elegant and less disruptive than
>> deleting the whole sector while the tech is swapping out the AP and then re
>> importing into cnMaestro from a spreadsheet and hoping everything goes
>> smoothly and customers are only down for a few minutes.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m talking about replacing an AP that is in service but with issues.
>> Over the years we’ve run into RF issues with the original connectorized 450
>> APs.  I’ve never established whether it’s the AP or the sector antenna, but
>> replacing it solves the modulation and V/H ratio issues.
>>
>>
>>
>> The same procedure would also apply if you are upgrading to a 450i or
>> 450m AP.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] replacing a CBRS AP

[Kurt Fankhauser]

so all you do is put up a 2nd AP and once its online change the Color Code
to the same code the old SM's are and the sms move over to the new AP and
the CBRS data transfers over automatically in Maestro?


On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 6:14 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Matt thanks, we did that today and all the SMs just moved automagically to
> the replacement AP.
>
>
>
> We imported a sector consisting of just the empty AP, and pre approved
> onboarding in cnMaestro.  It was Authorized and Waiting for Device.  Once
> the new AP was plugged in, it synced and enabled CBRS and the SMs moved
> over without any manual intervention.  Pretty cool.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Matt Mays
> *Sent:* Monday, August 10, 2020 11:19 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] replacing a CBRS AP
>
>
>
> In my experience, you just CPI file a new empty AP and sync it once you
> have it in place.
> The SMs should move to the new AP in the SAS admin tool once they register
> and the grants get re-used.
>
> Then once the old AP is empty in cnMaestro SAS Admin tool you deregister
> the old AP and delete it from the system.
>
> No reason to refile all of the subs just to swap out the AP.
>
> Thanks,
> Matt Mays
> Amplex Internet
>
> On 8/10/2020 11:18 AM, dave wrote:
>
> Ken,
>  since the addition of the export button in the management tool it makes
> it easy todo.
> The key is ensuring you have a current sheet with all of your sector info
> and subs info up to date.
> update the sheet with new AP and your ready to go.
>
> Of course to answer your question to make a smoother transition is to
> place the new ap into part 90
> so you obtain all of your subs then update your management tool.
>
> I am sure someone here may correct me if im wrong.
>
> Thanks
> Dave
>
>
> On 8/10/20 8:46 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Has anyone figured out the best procedure for replacing a Cambium CBRS AP?
>
>
>
> I’m guessing there is something more elegant and less disruptive than
> deleting the whole sector while the tech is swapping out the AP and then re
> importing into cnMaestro from a spreadsheet and hoping everything goes
> smoothly and customers are only down for a few minutes.
>
>
>
> I’m talking about replacing an AP that is in service but with issues.
> Over the years we’ve run into RF issues with the original connectorized 450
> APs.  I’ve never established whether it’s the AP or the sector antenna, but
> replacing it solves the modulation and V/H ratio issues.
>
>
>
> The same procedure would also apply if you are upgrading to a 450i or 450m
> AP.
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] replacing a CBRS AP

[Ken Hohhof]

Matt thanks, we did that today and all the SMs just moved automagically to
the replacement AP.

 

We imported a sector consisting of just the empty AP, and pre approved
onboarding in cnMaestro.  It was Authorized and Waiting for Device.  Once
the new AP was plugged in, it synced and enabled CBRS and the SMs moved over
without any manual intervention.  Pretty cool.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Mays
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2020 11:19 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] replacing a CBRS AP

 

In my experience, you just CPI file a new empty AP and sync it once you have
it in place.
The SMs should move to the new AP in the SAS admin tool once they register
and the grants get re-used.

Then once the old AP is empty in cnMaestro SAS Admin tool you deregister the
old AP and delete it from the system.

No reason to refile all of the subs just to swap out the AP. 

Thanks,
Matt Mays
Amplex Internet

On 8/10/2020 11:18 AM, dave wrote:

Ken,
 since the addition of the export button in the management tool it makes it
easy todo.
The key is ensuring you have a current sheet with all of your sector info
and subs info up to date.
update the sheet with new AP and your ready to go.

Of course to answer your question to make a smoother transition is to place
the new ap into part 90
so you obtain all of your subs then update your management tool.

I am sure someone here may correct me if im wrong.

Thanks
Dave




On 8/10/20 8:46 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Has anyone figured out the best procedure for replacing a Cambium CBRS AP?

 

I'm guessing there is something more elegant and less disruptive than
deleting the whole sector while the tech is swapping out the AP and then re
importing into cnMaestro from a spreadsheet and hoping everything goes
smoothly and customers are only down for a few minutes.

 

I'm talking about replacing an AP that is in service but with issues.  Over
the years we've run into RF issues with the original connectorized 450 APs.
I've never established whether it's the AP or the sector antenna, but
replacing it solves the modulation and V/H ratio issues.

 

The same procedure would also apply if you are upgrading to a 450i or 450m
AP.










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Re: [AFMUG] replacing a CBRS AP

[Matt Mays]

In my experience, you just CPI file a new empty AP and sync it once you 
have it in place.
The SMs should move to the new AP in the SAS admin tool once they 
register and the grants get re-used.


Then once the old AP is empty in cnMaestro SAS Admin tool you deregister 
the old AP and delete it from the system.


No reason to refile all of the subs just to swap out the AP.

Thanks,
Matt Mays
Amplex Internet

On 8/10/2020 11:18 AM, dave wrote:

Ken,
 since the addition of the export button in the management tool it 
makes it easy todo.
The key is ensuring you have a current sheet with all of your sector 
info and subs info up to date.

update the sheet with new AP and your ready to go.

Of course to answer your question to make a smoother transition is to 
place the new ap into part 90

so you obtain all of your subs then update your management tool.

I am sure someone here may correct me if im wrong.

Thanks
Dave


On 8/10/20 8:46 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Has anyone figured out the best procedure for replacing a Cambium 
CBRS AP?


I’m guessing there is something more elegant and less disruptive than 
deleting the whole sector while the tech is swapping out the AP and 
then re importing into cnMaestro from a spreadsheet and hoping 
everything goes smoothly and customers are only down for a few minutes.


I’m talking about replacing an AP that is in service but with 
issues.  Over the years we’ve run into RF issues with the original 
connectorized 450 APs.  I’ve never established whether it’s the AP or 
the sector antenna, but replacing it solves the modulation and V/H 
ratio issues.


The same procedure would also apply if you are upgrading to a 450i or 
450m AP.






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Re: [AFMUG] replacing a CBRS AP

[Ken Hohhof]

Dave, you may be right that the easiest way is to let the SMs register under
Part 90 and then convert to CBRS.  That way they are in service while we
fiddle with cnMaestro and the SAS.

 

There are a lot of cool things you can do with relinquishing grants and
deregistering, both from the AP and from cnMaestro, but they are a little
complicated if you don't know exactly what you're doing, and I usually
don't.

 

I always import from a spreadsheet, so I should always have an up to date
copy.  Except they keep updating the spreadsheet template, now on v15, so I
end up having to copy-and-paste.  cnMaestro won't accept anything but the
latest version.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2020 10:19 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] replacing a CBRS AP

 

Ken,
 since the addition of the export button in the management tool it makes it
easy todo.
The key is ensuring you have a current sheet with all of your sector info
and subs info up to date.
update the sheet with new AP and your ready to go.

Of course to answer your question to make a smoother transition is to place
the new ap into part 90
so you obtain all of your subs then update your management tool.

I am sure someone here may correct me if im wrong.

Thanks
Dave




On 8/10/20 8:46 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Has anyone figured out the best procedure for replacing a Cambium CBRS AP?

 

I'm guessing there is something more elegant and less disruptive than
deleting the whole sector while the tech is swapping out the AP and then re
importing into cnMaestro from a spreadsheet and hoping everything goes
smoothly and customers are only down for a few minutes.

 

I'm talking about replacing an AP that is in service but with issues.  Over
the years we've run into RF issues with the original connectorized 450 APs.
I've never established whether it's the AP or the sector antenna, but
replacing it solves the modulation and V/H ratio issues.

 

The same procedure would also apply if you are upgrading to a 450i or 450m
AP.





 

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Re: [AFMUG] replacing a CBRS AP

[dave]

The best answer I got was from cambium support on how to do it properly 
and evan is the guy for sure but very busy.


On 8/10/20 8:46 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Has anyone figured out the best procedure for replacing a Cambium CBRS AP?

I’m guessing there is something more elegant and less disruptive than 
deleting the whole sector while the tech is swapping out the AP and 
then re importing into cnMaestro from a spreadsheet and hoping 
everything goes smoothly and customers are only down for a few minutes.


I’m talking about replacing an AP that is in service but with issues.  
Over the years we’ve run into RF issues with the original 
connectorized 450 APs.  I’ve never established whether it’s the AP or 
the sector antenna, but replacing it solves the modulation and V/H 
ratio issues.


The same procedure would also apply if you are upgrading to a 450i or 
450m AP.





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Re: [AFMUG] replacing a CBRS AP

[dave]

Ken,
 since the addition of the export button in the management tool it 
makes it easy todo.
The key is ensuring you have a current sheet with all of your sector 
info and subs info up to date.

update the sheet with new AP and your ready to go.

Of course to answer your question to make a smoother transition is to 
place the new ap into part 90

so you obtain all of your subs then update your management tool.

I am sure someone here may correct me if im wrong.

Thanks
Dave


On 8/10/20 8:46 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Has anyone figured out the best procedure for replacing a Cambium CBRS AP?

I’m guessing there is something more elegant and less disruptive than 
deleting the whole sector while the tech is swapping out the AP and 
then re importing into cnMaestro from a spreadsheet and hoping 
everything goes smoothly and customers are only down for a few minutes.


I’m talking about replacing an AP that is in service but with issues.  
Over the years we’ve run into RF issues with the original 
connectorized 450 APs.  I’ve never established whether it’s the AP or 
the sector antenna, but replacing it solves the modulation and V/H 
ratio issues.


The same procedure would also apply if you are upgrading to a 450i or 
450m AP.





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Re: [AFMUG] replacing a CBRS AP

[Mark Radabaugh]

Just the old 450 plastic cases.   Doesn’t affect the 450i or Medusa.

Mark

> On Aug 10, 2020, at 10:20 AM, Josh Luthman  
> wrote:
> 
> Talk to Evan at Cambium, he'll be the single best person to give you those 
> steps.  I can give you my notes I took from how he explained I should 
> transition from Cloud to On Prem if you'd like.
> 
> As far as leaking water I think Mark is talking about 450 and/or 450i.  The 
> 450m 5 GHz had a water problem with the glands but the 450m 3 GHz doesn't 
> have that (per Matt at Cambium).
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 10:05 AM Mark Radabaugh  > wrote:
> No answer to your SBRS question but… eventually the old style 450 case leaks 
> water and the first place it goes is right down the center pin of the RF 
> connector and into the cable.Silicon caulk and/or electrical tape along 
> the top and side gaps goes a long way toward keeping the water out.
> 
> Happens on 5.7 and 3.65
> 
> Mark
> 
>> On Aug 10, 2020, at 9:46 AM, Ken Hohhof > > wrote:
>> 
>> Has anyone figured out the best procedure for replacing a Cambium CBRS AP?
>>  
>> I’m guessing there is something more elegant and less disruptive than 
>> deleting the whole sector while the tech is swapping out the AP and then re 
>> importing into cnMaestro from a spreadsheet and hoping everything goes 
>> smoothly and customers are only down for a few minutes.
>>  
>> I’m talking about replacing an AP that is in service but with issues.  Over 
>> the years we’ve run into RF issues with the original connectorized 450 APs.  
>> I’ve never established whether it’s the AP or the sector antenna, but 
>> replacing it solves the modulation and V/H ratio issues.
>>  
>> The same procedure would also apply if you are upgrading to a 450i or 450m 
>> AP.
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Re: [AFMUG] replacing a CBRS AP

[Josh Luthman]

Talk to Evan at Cambium, he'll be the single best person to give you those
steps.  I can give you my notes I took from how he explained I should
transition from Cloud to On Prem if you'd like.

As far as leaking water I think Mark is talking about 450 and/or 450i.  The
450m 5 GHz had a water problem with the glands but the 450m 3 GHz doesn't
have that (per Matt at Cambium).

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On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 10:05 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> No answer to your SBRS question but… eventually the old style 450 case
> leaks water and the first place it goes is right down the center pin of the
> RF connector and into the cable.Silicon caulk and/or electrical tape
> along the top and side gaps goes a long way toward keeping the water out.
>
> Happens on 5.7 and 3.65
>
> Mark
>
> On Aug 10, 2020, at 9:46 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Has anyone figured out the best procedure for replacing a Cambium CBRS AP?
>
> I’m guessing there is something more elegant and less disruptive than
> deleting the whole sector while the tech is swapping out the AP and then re
> importing into cnMaestro from a spreadsheet and hoping everything goes
> smoothly and customers are only down for a few minutes.
>
> I’m talking about replacing an AP that is in service but with issues.
> Over the years we’ve run into RF issues with the original connectorized 450
> APs.  I’ve never established whether it’s the AP or the sector antenna, but
> replacing it solves the modulation and V/H ratio issues.
>
> The same procedure would also apply if you are upgrading to a 450i or 450m
> AP.
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Re: [AFMUG] replacing a CBRS AP

[Mark Radabaugh]

No answer to your SBRS question but… eventually the old style 450 case leaks 
water and the first place it goes is right down the center pin of the RF 
connector and into the cable.Silicon caulk and/or electrical tape along the 
top and side gaps goes a long way toward keeping the water out.

Happens on 5.7 and 3.65

Mark

> On Aug 10, 2020, at 9:46 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> Has anyone figured out the best procedure for replacing a Cambium CBRS AP?
>  
> I’m guessing there is something more elegant and less disruptive than 
> deleting the whole sector while the tech is swapping out the AP and then re 
> importing into cnMaestro from a spreadsheet and hoping everything goes 
> smoothly and customers are only down for a few minutes.
>  
> I’m talking about replacing an AP that is in service but with issues.  Over 
> the years we’ve run into RF issues with the original connectorized 450 APs.  
> I’ve never established whether it’s the AP or the sector antenna, but 
> replacing it solves the modulation and V/H ratio issues.
>  
> The same procedure would also apply if you are upgrading to a 450i or 450m AP.
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[AFMUG] replacing a CBRS AP

[Ken Hohhof]

Has anyone figured out the best procedure for replacing a Cambium CBRS AP?

 

I'm guessing there is something more elegant and less disruptive than
deleting the whole sector while the tech is swapping out the AP and then re
importing into cnMaestro from a spreadsheet and hoping everything goes
smoothly and customers are only down for a few minutes.

 

I'm talking about replacing an AP that is in service but with issues.  Over
the years we've run into RF issues with the original connectorized 450 APs.
I've never established whether it's the AP or the sector antenna, but
replacing it solves the modulation and V/H ratio issues.

 

The same procedure would also apply if you are upgrading to a 450i or 450m
AP.

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