Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
So an update on this. Surprisingly, no homeowners have refused to sign, If
there is non exposure mitigation, we document it on the sheet and both sign
next to the mitigation (an example was a farm nobody knew where the water
lines were and the private locate company couldnt find them with GPR. We
mechanically excavated a 2 foot trench over the suspected area it might be
and hand dug another foot, then sent the drill head through the daylight on
that section.
I actually had a homeowners association sign this when we were doing power
duct for the whole neighborhood. Initially we had no waiver, but nobody
knew for sure where the water was. I hand dug down a hydrant and put my
spade into the pvc main and it shattered at 5 foot. They said "oh yeah, its
brittle" So they signed this for the entire water plant. we had blanket
permission to hit it all, lol. We had two other water contacts at 36 inches
and at 24 inches. I ended up paying the bill, but I had to get protected in
the event we hit 20 water lines.
My lawyer looked it over, said it was good, she only recommended adding
something to the nature of indemnification of someone coming out and
climbing on a piece of equipment they shouldnt be on and falling off. Ill
add that when I redo my documentation.
On Mon, Aug 15, 2022 at 5:52 PM Robert wrote:
> They would have been a bad customer too...
>
> On 8/15/22 12:05 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>
> They were mad at the other provider before they switched to us - so who
> knows?
>
> By the time she got to me she had already aggravated the installer, the
> field service manager, the customer service manager, the billing manager,
> and the operations manager.
>
> Given there was little chance I could make her happy I figured it was
> better to make 5 other people happy. She might not have been happy with
> the result, but everybody else was.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Aug 15, 2022, at 1:49 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>
> Did she get service from some other provider?
>
> *From:* Mark Radabaugh
> *Sent:* Monday, August 15, 2022 11:40 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
>
> Nope.
>
>
>
> On Aug 15, 2022, at 12:19 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>
> Did she ever capitulate?
>
>
> *From:* Mark Radabaugh
> *Sent:* Monday, August 15, 2022 7:05 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
>
> Same. Customer refused to sign the service agreement after the
> install. She was kind of pissed off when we went back and picked up the
> equipment.Oh well.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Aug 14, 2022, at 6:16 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
>
> I don't know about that. We've had people who requested service, and then
> refused to sign our service agreement. No signy. No servicey. Our service
> agreement was pretty short and simple.
>
> --
> bp
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 1:01 PM Josh Luthman
> wrote:
>
>> You guys might not sign it, but a homeowner wanting fiber has the choice
>> of a) no fiber or b) sign itthey're going to sign it.
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 12:10 AM Steve Jones
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That had like an 8 or 9 dollar price tag?
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 9:41 PM Chuck McCown via AF
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> They didn’t call for a locate prior to drilling. Scuba divers had to
>>>> dive inside the pipe and weld on a patch from the inside. Quite the
>>>> ordeal. Good thing we had good insurance.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 13, 2022 8:25 PM
>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
>>>>
>>>> Ouch
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 8:09 PM Chuck McCown via AF
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> One of them was 48” I think and washed out a railroad track... And it
>>>>> was our fault...
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Chuck McCown via AF
>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 13, 2022 5:00 PM
>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
>>>>>
>>>>> I have repaired tons of stuff, bought trees, bought sod, whatever it
>>>>> takes to make the landowner happy. Not really their fault either if they
>>>>> don’t know it is there. Just the cost of doing business. GL takes care
>>&
Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
They would have been a bad customer too...
On 8/15/22 12:05 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
They were mad at the other provider before they switched to us - so
who knows?
By the time she got to me she had already aggravated the installer,
the field service manager, the customer service manager, the billing
manager, and the operations manager.
Given there was little chance I could make her happy I figured it was
better to make 5 other people happy. She might not have been happy
with the result, but everybody else was.
Mark
On Aug 15, 2022, at 1:49 PM, Chuck McCown via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
Did she get service from some other provider?
*From:* Mark Radabaugh
*Sent:* Monday, August 15, 2022 11:40 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
Nope.
On Aug 15, 2022, at 12:19 PM, Chuck McCown via AF
wrote:
Did she ever capitulate?
*From:* Mark Radabaugh
*Sent:* Monday, August 15, 2022 7:05 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
Same. Customer refused to sign the service agreement after the
install. She was kind of pissed off when we went back and picked
up the equipment. Oh well.
Mark
On Aug 14, 2022, at 6:16 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
I don't know about that. We've had people who requested service,
and then refused to sign our service agreement. No signy. No
servicey. Our service agreement was pretty short and simple.
--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 1:01 PM Josh Luthman
wrote:
You guys might not sign it, but a homeowner wanting fiber has
the choice of a) no fiber or b) sign itthey're going to
sign it.
On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 12:10 AM Steve Jones
wrote:
That had like an 8 or 9 dollar price tag?
On Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 9:41 PM Chuck McCown via AF
wrote:
They didn’t call for a locate prior to drilling. Scuba
divers had to dive inside the pipe and weld on a patch
from the inside. Quite the ordeal. Good thing we had
good insurance.
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Saturday, August 13, 2022 8:25 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
Ouch
On Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 8:09 PM Chuck McCown via AF
wrote:
One of them was 48” I think and washed out a
railroad track... And it was our fault...
*From:* Chuck McCown via AF
*Sent:* Saturday, August 13, 2022 5:00 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Cc:* Chuck McCown
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
I have repaired tons of stuff, bought trees, bought
sod, whatever it takes to make the landowner
happy. Not really their fault either if they don’t
know it is there. Just the cost of doing
business. GL takes care of hitting the city water
main and washing it all into someone’s basement
etc. My crews have hit 4 city water mains and it is
no picnic. 2 of them were our fault.
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Saturday, August 13, 2022 3:32 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
When the attorney feeds back I may update the
erosion control. But I'm no taking liability for
somebody who chooses not to water. Even if I put
sod down it still needs water. I can the soil back
in a condition conducive to root growth, but I cant
control what the landowner does.
I'll add a link to the JULIE website so customer
can see what my responsibilities are there. I do
think adding that the customer may need to expose
their own things that's a good idea.
Will be waiting on the attorney for the what I will
do's since that can open a whole lot of liabilities.
I've read through a bunch of them and they range
from pristine restoration all the way to fuck you,
pay me.
I just dont want to hit some leech field tie in and
have to pay for that.
I carry more insurance than I need but I prefer to
not use it. Most everything I can locate with the
utiliguard, and I can repair most anything I hit
unknowingly.
An example is a nearby guy knicked an unknown LP
run to a garage. It leaked half a full tank and he
had to pay for it out of pocket. I'd pay it too, I
Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
Preach brother.
On Mon, Aug 15, 2022 at 3:28 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
> Sometimes it just feels so good to fire a customer.
>
> *From:* Mark Radabaugh
> *Sent:* Monday, August 15, 2022 1:05 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
>
> They were mad at the other provider before they switched to us - so who
> knows?
>
> By the time she got to me she had already aggravated the installer, the
> field service manager, the customer service manager, the billing manager,
> and the operations manager.
>
> Given there was little chance I could make her happy I figured it was
> better to make 5 other people happy. She might not have been happy with
> the result, but everybody else was.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Aug 15, 2022, at 1:49 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>
> Did she get service from some other provider?
>
> *From:* Mark Radabaugh
> *Sent:* Monday, August 15, 2022 11:40 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
>
> Nope.
>
>
>
> On Aug 15, 2022, at 12:19 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>
> Did she ever capitulate?
>
>
> *From:* Mark Radabaugh
> *Sent:* Monday, August 15, 2022 7:05 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
>
> Same. Customer refused to sign the service agreement after the
> install. She was kind of pissed off when we went back and picked up the
> equipment.Oh well.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Aug 14, 2022, at 6:16 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
>
> I don't know about that. We've had people who requested service, and then
> refused to sign our service agreement. No signy. No servicey. Our service
> agreement was pretty short and simple.
>
> --
> bp
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 1:01 PM Josh Luthman
> wrote:
>
>> You guys might not sign it, but a homeowner wanting fiber has the choice
>> of a) no fiber or b) sign itthey're going to sign it.
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 12:10 AM Steve Jones
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That had like an 8 or 9 dollar price tag?
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 9:41 PM Chuck McCown via AF
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> They didn’t call for a locate prior to drilling. Scuba divers had to
>>>> dive inside the pipe and weld on a patch from the inside. Quite the
>>>> ordeal. Good thing we had good insurance.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 13, 2022 8:25 PM
>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
>>>>
>>>> Ouch
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 8:09 PM Chuck McCown via AF
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> One of them was 48” I think and washed out a railroad track... And it
>>>>> was our fault...
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Chuck McCown via AF
>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 13, 2022 5:00 PM
>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
>>>>>
>>>>> I have repaired tons of stuff, bought trees, bought sod, whatever it
>>>>> takes to make the landowner happy. Not really their fault either if they
>>>>> don’t know it is there. Just the cost of doing business. GL takes care
>>>>> of
>>>>> hitting the city water main and washing it all into someone’s basement
>>>>> etc. My crews have hit 4 city water mains and it is no picnic. 2 of them
>>>>> were our fault.
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 13, 2022 3:32 PM
>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
>>>>>
>>>>> When the attorney feeds back I may update the erosion control. But I'm
>>>>> no taking liability for somebody who chooses not to water. Even if I put
>>>>> sod down it still needs water. I can the soil back in a condition
>>>>> conducive
>>>>> to root growth, but I cant control what the landowner does.
>>>>> I'll add a link to the JULIE website so customer can see what my
>>>>> responsibilities are there. I do think adding that the customer may need
>>>>> to
>>>>&g
Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
Sometimes it just feels so good to fire a customer.
From: Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2022 1:05 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
They were mad at the other provider before they switched to us - so who knows?
By the time she got to me she had already aggravated the installer, the field
service manager, the customer service manager, the billing manager, and the
operations manager.
Given there was little chance I could make her happy I figured it was better to
make 5 other people happy. She might not have been happy with the result, but
everybody else was.
Mark
On Aug 15, 2022, at 1:49 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
Did she get service from some other provider?
From: Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2022 11:40 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
Nope.
On Aug 15, 2022, at 12:19 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
Did she ever capitulate?
From: Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2022 7:05 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
Same. Customer refused to sign the service agreement after the install.
She was kind of pissed off when we went back and picked up the equipment.
Oh well.
Mark
On Aug 14, 2022, at 6:16 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
I don't know about that. We've had people who requested service, and then
refused to sign our service agreement. No signy. No servicey. Our service
agreement was pretty short and simple.
--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 1:01 PM Josh Luthman
wrote:
You guys might not sign it, but a homeowner wanting fiber has the
choice of a) no fiber or b) sign itthey're going to sign it.
On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 12:10 AM Steve Jones
wrote:
That had like an 8 or 9 dollar price tag?
On Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 9:41 PM Chuck McCown via AF
wrote:
They didn’t call for a locate prior to drilling. Scuba divers had
to dive inside the pipe and weld on a patch from the inside. Quite the ordeal.
Good thing we had good insurance.
From: Steve Jones
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 8:25 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
Ouch
On Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 8:09 PM Chuck McCown via AF
wrote:
One of them was 48” I think and washed out a railroad track...
And it was our fault...
From: Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 5:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
I have repaired tons of stuff, bought trees, bought sod, whatever
it takes to make the landowner happy. Not really their fault either if they
don’t know it is there. Just the cost of doing business. GL takes care of
hitting the city water main and washing it all into someone’s basement etc. My
crews have hit 4 city water mains and it is no picnic. 2 of them were our
fault.
From: Steve Jones
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 3:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
When the attorney feeds back I may update the erosion control.
But I'm no taking liability for somebody who chooses not to water. Even if I
put sod down it still needs water. I can the soil back in a condition conducive
to root growth, but I cant control what the landowner does.
I'll add a link to the JULIE website so customer can see what my
responsibilities are there. I do think adding that the customer may need to
expose their own things that's a good idea.
Will be waiting on the attorney for the what I will do's since
that can open a whole lot of liabilities.
I've read through a bunch of them and they range from pristine
restoration all the way to fuck you, pay me.
I just dont want to hit some leech field tie in and have to pay
for that.
I carry more insurance than I need but I prefer to not use it.
Most everything I can locate with the utiliguard, and I can repair most
anything I hit unknowingly.
An example is a nearby guy knicked an unknown LP run to a garage.
It leaked half a full tank and he had to pay for it out of pocket. I'd pay it
too, I just dont want to be obligated to.
On Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 12:30 PM Chris Fabien
wrote:
I wouldn't sign either if I were a homeowner. I think you need
to more
clearly define what you will and won't do, and what you can and
cannot
Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
They were mad at the other provider before they switched to us - so who knows?
By the time she got to me she had already aggravated the installer, the field
service manager, the customer service manager, the billing manager, and the
operations manager.
Given there was little chance I could make her happy I figured it was better to
make 5 other people happy. She might not have been happy with the result, but
everybody else was.
Mark
> On Aug 15, 2022, at 1:49 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>
> Did she get service from some other provider?
>
> From: Mark Radabaugh <>
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2022 11:40 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
>
> Nope.
>
>
>
>> On Aug 15, 2022, at 12:19 PM, Chuck McCown via AF > wrote:
>>
>> Did she ever capitulate?
>>
>>
>> From: Mark Radabaugh <>
>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2022 7:05 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
>>
>> Same. Customer refused to sign the service agreement after the install.
>> She was kind of pissed off when we went back and picked up the equipment.
>> Oh well.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 14, 2022, at 6:16 PM, Bill Prince > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't know about that. We've had people who requested service, and then
>>> refused to sign our service agreement. No signy. No servicey. Our service
>>> agreement was pretty short and simple.
>>>
>>> --
>>> bp
>>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 1:01 PM Josh Luthman >> <>> wrote:
>>> You guys might not sign it, but a homeowner wanting fiber has the choice of
>>> a) no fiber or b) sign itthey're going to sign it.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 12:10 AM Steve Jones >
>>> wrote:
>>> That had like an 8 or 9 dollar price tag?
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 9:41 PM Chuck McCown via AF >
>>> wrote:
>>> They didn’t call for a locate prior to drilling. Scuba divers had to dive
>>> inside the pipe and weld on a patch from the inside. Quite the ordeal.
>>> Good thing we had good insurance.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Steve Jones <>
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 8:25 PM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
>>>
>>> Ouch
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 8:09 PM Chuck McCown via AF >
>>> wrote:
>>> One of them was 48” I think and washed out a railroad track... And it was
>>> our fault...
>>>
>>> From: Chuck McCown via AF <>
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 5:00 PM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <>
>>> Cc: Chuck McCown <>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
>>>
>>> I have repaired tons of stuff, bought trees, bought sod, whatever it takes
>>> to make the landowner happy. Not really their fault either if they don’t
>>> know it is there. Just the cost of doing business. GL takes care of
>>> hitting the city water main and washing it all into someone’s basement etc.
>>> My crews have hit 4 city water mains and it is no picnic. 2 of them were
>>> our fault.
>>>
>>> From: Steve Jones <>
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 3:32 PM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
>>>
>>> When the attorney feeds back I may update the erosion control. But I'm no
>>> taking liability for somebody who chooses not to water. Even if I put sod
>>> down it still needs water. I can the soil back in a condition conducive to
>>> root growth, but I cant control what the landowner does.
>>> I'll add a link to the JULIE website so customer can see what my
>>> responsibilities are there. I do think adding that the customer may need to
>>> expose their own things that's a good idea.
>>> Will be waiting on the attorney for the what I will do's since that can
>>> open a whole lot of liabilities.
>>> I've read through a bunch of them and they range from pristine restoration
>>> all the way to fuck you, pay me.
>>> I just dont want to hit some leech field tie in and have to pay for that.
>&g
Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
Did she get service from some other provider?
From: Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2022 11:40 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
Nope.
On Aug 15, 2022, at 12:19 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
Did she ever capitulate?
From: Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2022 7:05 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
Same. Customer refused to sign the service agreement after the install.
She was kind of pissed off when we went back and picked up the equipment.Oh
well.
Mark
On Aug 14, 2022, at 6:16 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
I don't know about that. We've had people who requested service, and then
refused to sign our service agreement. No signy. No servicey. Our service
agreement was pretty short and simple.
--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 1:01 PM Josh Luthman
wrote:
You guys might not sign it, but a homeowner wanting fiber has the choice
of a) no fiber or b) sign itthey're going to sign it.
On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 12:10 AM Steve Jones
wrote:
That had like an 8 or 9 dollar price tag?
On Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 9:41 PM Chuck McCown via AF
wrote:
They didn’t call for a locate prior to drilling. Scuba divers had to
dive inside the pipe and weld on a patch from the inside. Quite the ordeal.
Good thing we had good insurance.
From: Steve Jones
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 8:25 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
Ouch
On Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 8:09 PM Chuck McCown via AF
wrote:
One of them was 48” I think and washed out a railroad track... And
it was our fault...
From: Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 5:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
I have repaired tons of stuff, bought trees, bought sod, whatever
it takes to make the landowner happy. Not really their fault either if they
don’t know it is there. Just the cost of doing business. GL takes care of
hitting the city water main and washing it all into someone’s basement etc. My
crews have hit 4 city water mains and it is no picnic. 2 of them were our
fault.
From: Steve Jones
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 3:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
When the attorney feeds back I may update the erosion control. But
I'm no taking liability for somebody who chooses not to water. Even if I put
sod down it still needs water. I can the soil back in a condition conducive to
root growth, but I cant control what the landowner does.
I'll add a link to the JULIE website so customer can see what my
responsibilities are there. I do think adding that the customer may need to
expose their own things that's a good idea.
Will be waiting on the attorney for the what I will do's since that
can open a whole lot of liabilities.
I've read through a bunch of them and they range from pristine
restoration all the way to fuck you, pay me.
I just dont want to hit some leech field tie in and have to pay for
that.
I carry more insurance than I need but I prefer to not use it. Most
everything I can locate with the utiliguard, and I can repair most anything I
hit unknowingly.
An example is a nearby guy knicked an unknown LP run to a garage.
It leaked half a full tank and he had to pay for it out of pocket. I'd pay it
too, I just dont want to be obligated to.
On Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 12:30 PM Chris Fabien
wrote:
I wouldn't sign either if I were a homeowner. I think you need to
more
clearly define what you will and won't do, and what you can and
cannot
reasonably avoid. For example, you can reasonably avoid a private
power run to an out building if the homeowner discloses it's
existence, you should have equipment to locate the exact
path/depth.
Other things that are not locatable, what we do is put the
responsibility on the homeowner to locate & expose. We typically
have
to do this for drainage lines, dog fence wires etc. And you
definitely
do want a disclaimer of liability for hitting something that was
not
disclosed and you would have no way to know of it's existence.
Whether that disclaimer would stand up in court is another issue.
I
also think telling the homeowner they are responsible for future
erosion con
Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
Nope.
> On Aug 15, 2022, at 12:19 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>
> Did she ever capitulate?
>
>
> From: Mark Radabaugh <>
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2022 7:05 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
>
> Same. Customer refused to sign the service agreement after the install.
> She was kind of pissed off when we went back and picked up the equipment.
> Oh well.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>> On Aug 14, 2022, at 6:16 PM, Bill Prince > wrote:
>>
>>
>> I don't know about that. We've had people who requested service, and then
>> refused to sign our service agreement. No signy. No servicey. Our service
>> agreement was pretty short and simple.
>>
>> --
>> bp
>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 1:01 PM Josh Luthman > <>> wrote:
>> You guys might not sign it, but a homeowner wanting fiber has the choice of
>> a) no fiber or b) sign itthey're going to sign it.
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 12:10 AM Steve Jones >
>> wrote:
>> That had like an 8 or 9 dollar price tag?
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 9:41 PM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote:
>> They didn’t call for a locate prior to drilling. Scuba divers had to dive
>> inside the pipe and weld on a patch from the inside. Quite the ordeal.
>> Good thing we had good insurance.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Steve Jones <>
>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 8:25 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
>>
>> Ouch
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 8:09 PM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote:
>> One of them was 48” I think and washed out a railroad track... And it was
>> our fault...
>>
>> From: Chuck McCown via AF <>
>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 5:00 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <>
>> Cc: Chuck McCown <>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
>>
>> I have repaired tons of stuff, bought trees, bought sod, whatever it takes
>> to make the landowner happy. Not really their fault either if they don’t
>> know it is there. Just the cost of doing business. GL takes care of
>> hitting the city water main and washing it all into someone’s basement etc.
>> My crews have hit 4 city water mains and it is no picnic. 2 of them were
>> our fault.
>>
>> From: Steve Jones <>
>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 3:32 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
>>
>> When the attorney feeds back I may update the erosion control. But I'm no
>> taking liability for somebody who chooses not to water. Even if I put sod
>> down it still needs water. I can the soil back in a condition conducive to
>> root growth, but I cant control what the landowner does.
>> I'll add a link to the JULIE website so customer can see what my
>> responsibilities are there. I do think adding that the customer may need to
>> expose their own things that's a good idea.
>> Will be waiting on the attorney for the what I will do's since that can open
>> a whole lot of liabilities.
>> I've read through a bunch of them and they range from pristine restoration
>> all the way to fuck you, pay me.
>> I just dont want to hit some leech field tie in and have to pay for that.
>> I carry more insurance than I need but I prefer to not use it. Most
>> everything I can locate with the utiliguard, and I can repair most anything
>> I hit unknowingly.
>> An example is a nearby guy knicked an unknown LP run to a garage. It leaked
>> half a full tank and he had to pay for it out of pocket. I'd pay it too, I
>> just dont want to be obligated to.
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 12:30 PM Chris Fabien > wrote:
>> I wouldn't sign either if I were a homeowner. I think you need to more
>> clearly define what you will and won't do, and what you can and cannot
>> reasonably avoid. For example, you can reasonably avoid a private
>> power run to an out building if the homeowner discloses it's
>> existence, you should have equipment to locate the exact path/depth.
>> Other things that are not locatable, what we do is put the
>> responsibility on the homeowner to locate & expose. We typically have
>> to do this for drainage lines, dog fence wires etc. And you definitely
>> do want a disclaimer of liability for hitting something that was
Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
Did she ever capitulate?
From: Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2022 7:05 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
Same. Customer refused to sign the service agreement after the install.
She was kind of pissed off when we went back and picked up the equipment.Oh
well.
Mark
On Aug 14, 2022, at 6:16 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
I don't know about that. We've had people who requested service, and then
refused to sign our service agreement. No signy. No servicey. Our service
agreement was pretty short and simple.
--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 1:01 PM Josh Luthman
wrote:
You guys might not sign it, but a homeowner wanting fiber has the choice of
a) no fiber or b) sign itthey're going to sign it.
On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 12:10 AM Steve Jones
wrote:
That had like an 8 or 9 dollar price tag?
On Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 9:41 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
They didn’t call for a locate prior to drilling. Scuba divers had to
dive inside the pipe and weld on a patch from the inside. Quite the ordeal.
Good thing we had good insurance.
From: Steve Jones
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 8:25 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
Ouch
On Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 8:09 PM Chuck McCown via AF
wrote:
One of them was 48” I think and washed out a railroad track... And
it was our fault...
From: Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 5:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
I have repaired tons of stuff, bought trees, bought sod, whatever it
takes to make the landowner happy. Not really their fault either if they don’t
know it is there. Just the cost of doing business. GL takes care of hitting
the city water main and washing it all into someone’s basement etc. My crews
have hit 4 city water mains and it is no picnic. 2 of them were our fault.
From: Steve Jones
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 3:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
When the attorney feeds back I may update the erosion control. But
I'm no taking liability for somebody who chooses not to water. Even if I put
sod down it still needs water. I can the soil back in a condition conducive to
root growth, but I cant control what the landowner does.
I'll add a link to the JULIE website so customer can see what my
responsibilities are there. I do think adding that the customer may need to
expose their own things that's a good idea.
Will be waiting on the attorney for the what I will do's since that
can open a whole lot of liabilities.
I've read through a bunch of them and they range from pristine
restoration all the way to fuck you, pay me.
I just dont want to hit some leech field tie in and have to pay for
that.
I carry more insurance than I need but I prefer to not use it. Most
everything I can locate with the utiliguard, and I can repair most anything I
hit unknowingly.
An example is a nearby guy knicked an unknown LP run to a garage. It
leaked half a full tank and he had to pay for it out of pocket. I'd pay it too,
I just dont want to be obligated to.
On Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 12:30 PM Chris Fabien
wrote:
I wouldn't sign either if I were a homeowner. I think you need to
more
clearly define what you will and won't do, and what you can and
cannot
reasonably avoid. For example, you can reasonably avoid a private
power run to an out building if the homeowner discloses it's
existence, you should have equipment to locate the exact path/depth.
Other things that are not locatable, what we do is put the
responsibility on the homeowner to locate & expose. We typically
have
to do this for drainage lines, dog fence wires etc. And you
definitely
do want a disclaimer of liability for hitting something that was not
disclosed and you would have no way to know of it's existence.
Whether that disclaimer would stand up in court is another issue. I
also think telling the homeowner they are responsible for future
erosion control is going too far, your crew should be doing enough
restoration to stabilize the ground and get grass growing again.
On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 11:15 AM Steve Jones
wrote:
>
> You guys who do this want to review this and tell me what im
missing. Ive sent it to the attorney for review but shes more an estate
attorn
Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
There's an exception to every rule. Let's work with the 99%.
On Mon, Aug 15, 2022 at 9:07 AM Mark Radabaugh wrote:
> Same. Customer refused to sign the service agreement after the
> install. She was kind of pissed off when we went back and picked up the
> equipment.Oh well.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Aug 14, 2022, at 6:16 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
>
> I don't know about that. We've had people who requested service, and then
> refused to sign our service agreement. No signy. No servicey. Our service
> agreement was pretty short and simple.
>
> --
> bp
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 1:01 PM Josh Luthman
> wrote:
>
>> You guys might not sign it, but a homeowner wanting fiber has the choice
>> of a) no fiber or b) sign itthey're going to sign it.
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 12:10 AM Steve Jones
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That had like an 8 or 9 dollar price tag?
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 9:41 PM Chuck McCown via AF
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> They didn’t call for a locate prior to drilling. Scuba divers had to
>>>> dive inside the pipe and weld on a patch from the inside. Quite the
>>>> ordeal. Good thing we had good insurance.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 13, 2022 8:25 PM
>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
>>>>
>>>> Ouch
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 8:09 PM Chuck McCown via AF
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> One of them was 48” I think and washed out a railroad track... And it
>>>>> was our fault...
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Chuck McCown via AF
>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 13, 2022 5:00 PM
>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
>>>>>
>>>>> I have repaired tons of stuff, bought trees, bought sod, whatever it
>>>>> takes to make the landowner happy. Not really their fault either if they
>>>>> don’t know it is there. Just the cost of doing business. GL takes care
>>>>> of
>>>>> hitting the city water main and washing it all into someone’s basement
>>>>> etc. My crews have hit 4 city water mains and it is no picnic. 2 of them
>>>>> were our fault.
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 13, 2022 3:32 PM
>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
>>>>>
>>>>> When the attorney feeds back I may update the erosion control. But I'm
>>>>> no taking liability for somebody who chooses not to water. Even if I put
>>>>> sod down it still needs water. I can the soil back in a condition
>>>>> conducive
>>>>> to root growth, but I cant control what the landowner does.
>>>>> I'll add a link to the JULIE website so customer can see what my
>>>>> responsibilities are there. I do think adding that the customer may need
>>>>> to
>>>>> expose their own things that's a good idea.
>>>>> Will be waiting on the attorney for the what I will do's since that
>>>>> can open a whole lot of liabilities.
>>>>> I've read through a bunch of them and they range from pristine
>>>>> restoration all the way to fuck you, pay me.
>>>>> I just dont want to hit some leech field tie in and have to pay for
>>>>> that.
>>>>> I carry more insurance than I need but I prefer to not use it. Most
>>>>> everything I can locate with the utiliguard, and I can repair most
>>>>> anything
>>>>> I hit unknowingly.
>>>>> An example is a nearby guy knicked an unknown LP run to a garage. It
>>>>> leaked half a full tank and he had to pay for it out of pocket. I'd pay it
>>>>> too, I just dont want to be obligated to.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 12:30 PM Chris Fabien
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I wouldn't sign either if I were a homeowner. I think you need to more
>>>>>> clearly define what you will and won't do, and what you can and cannot
>>>>>> reasonably avoid
Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
Same. Customer refused to sign the service agreement after the install.
She was kind of pissed off when we went back and picked up the equipment.Oh
well.
Mark
> On Aug 14, 2022, at 6:16 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
>
> I don't know about that. We've had people who requested service, and then
> refused to sign our service agreement. No signy. No servicey. Our service
> agreement was pretty short and simple.
>
> --
> bp
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 1:01 PM Josh Luthman <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
> You guys might not sign it, but a homeowner wanting fiber has the choice of
> a) no fiber or b) sign itthey're going to sign it.
>
> On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 12:10 AM Steve Jones <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> That had like an 8 or 9 dollar price tag?
>
> On Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 9:41 PM Chuck McCown via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
> They didn’t call for a locate prior to drilling. Scuba divers had to dive
> inside the pipe and weld on a patch from the inside. Quite the ordeal. Good
> thing we had good insurance.
>
>
>
> From: Steve Jones <>
> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 8:25 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
>
> Ouch
>
> On Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 8:09 PM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote:
> One of them was 48” I think and washed out a railroad track... And it was
> our fault...
>
> From: Chuck McCown via AF <>
> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 5:00 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <>
> Cc: Chuck McCown <>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
>
> I have repaired tons of stuff, bought trees, bought sod, whatever it takes to
> make the landowner happy. Not really their fault either if they don’t know
> it is there. Just the cost of doing business. GL takes care of hitting the
> city water main and washing it all into someone’s basement etc. My crews
> have hit 4 city water mains and it is no picnic. 2 of them were our fault.
>
> From: Steve Jones <>
> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 3:32 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
>
> When the attorney feeds back I may update the erosion control. But I'm no
> taking liability for somebody who chooses not to water. Even if I put sod
> down it still needs water. I can the soil back in a condition conducive to
> root growth, but I cant control what the landowner does.
> I'll add a link to the JULIE website so customer can see what my
> responsibilities are there. I do think adding that the customer may need to
> expose their own things that's a good idea.
> Will be waiting on the attorney for the what I will do's since that can open
> a whole lot of liabilities.
> I've read through a bunch of them and they range from pristine restoration
> all the way to fuck you, pay me.
> I just dont want to hit some leech field tie in and have to pay for that.
> I carry more insurance than I need but I prefer to not use it. Most
> everything I can locate with the utiliguard, and I can repair most anything I
> hit unknowingly.
> An example is a nearby guy knicked an unknown LP run to a garage. It leaked
> half a full tank and he had to pay for it out of pocket. I'd pay it too, I
> just dont want to be obligated to.
>
> On Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 12:30 PM Chris Fabien > wrote:
> I wouldn't sign either if I were a homeowner. I think you need to more
> clearly define what you will and won't do, and what you can and cannot
> reasonably avoid. For example, you can reasonably avoid a private
> power run to an out building if the homeowner discloses it's
> existence, you should have equipment to locate the exact path/depth.
> Other things that are not locatable, what we do is put the
> responsibility on the homeowner to locate & expose. We typically have
> to do this for drainage lines, dog fence wires etc. And you definitely
> do want a disclaimer of liability for hitting something that was not
> disclosed and you would have no way to know of it's existence.
> Whether that disclaimer would stand up in court is another issue. I
> also think telling the homeowner they are responsible for future
> erosion control is going too far, your crew should be doing enough
> restoration to stabilize the ground and get grass growing again.
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 11:15 AM Steve Jones > wrote:
> >
> > You guys who do this want to review this and tell me what im missing. Ive
> > sent it to the attorney for review but shes more an estate attorney, so may
&
Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
I don't know about that. We've had people who requested service, and then
refused to sign our service agreement. No signy. No servicey. Our service
agreement was pretty short and simple.
--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 1:01 PM Josh Luthman
wrote:
> You guys might not sign it, but a homeowner wanting fiber has the choice
> of a) no fiber or b) sign itthey're going to sign it.
>
> On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 12:10 AM Steve Jones
> wrote:
>
>> That had like an 8 or 9 dollar price tag?
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 9:41 PM Chuck McCown via AF
>> wrote:
>>
>>> They didn’t call for a locate prior to drilling. Scuba divers had to
>>> dive inside the pipe and weld on a patch from the inside. Quite the
>>> ordeal. Good thing we had good insurance.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 13, 2022 8:25 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
>>>
>>> Ouch
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 8:09 PM Chuck McCown via AF
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> One of them was 48” I think and washed out a railroad track... And it
>>>> was our fault...
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Chuck McCown via AF
>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 13, 2022 5:00 PM
>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
>>>>
>>>> I have repaired tons of stuff, bought trees, bought sod, whatever it
>>>> takes to make the landowner happy. Not really their fault either if they
>>>> don’t know it is there. Just the cost of doing business. GL takes care of
>>>> hitting the city water main and washing it all into someone’s basement
>>>> etc. My crews have hit 4 city water mains and it is no picnic. 2 of them
>>>> were our fault.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 13, 2022 3:32 PM
>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
>>>>
>>>> When the attorney feeds back I may update the erosion control. But I'm
>>>> no taking liability for somebody who chooses not to water. Even if I put
>>>> sod down it still needs water. I can the soil back in a condition conducive
>>>> to root growth, but I cant control what the landowner does.
>>>> I'll add a link to the JULIE website so customer can see what my
>>>> responsibilities are there. I do think adding that the customer may need to
>>>> expose their own things that's a good idea.
>>>> Will be waiting on the attorney for the what I will do's since that can
>>>> open a whole lot of liabilities.
>>>> I've read through a bunch of them and they range from pristine
>>>> restoration all the way to fuck you, pay me.
>>>> I just dont want to hit some leech field tie in and have to pay for
>>>> that.
>>>> I carry more insurance than I need but I prefer to not use it. Most
>>>> everything I can locate with the utiliguard, and I can repair most anything
>>>> I hit unknowingly.
>>>> An example is a nearby guy knicked an unknown LP run to a garage. It
>>>> leaked half a full tank and he had to pay for it out of pocket. I'd pay it
>>>> too, I just dont want to be obligated to.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 12:30 PM Chris Fabien
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I wouldn't sign either if I were a homeowner. I think you need to more
>>>>> clearly define what you will and won't do, and what you can and cannot
>>>>> reasonably avoid. For example, you can reasonably avoid a private
>>>>> power run to an out building if the homeowner discloses it's
>>>>> existence, you should have equipment to locate the exact path/depth.
>>>>> Other things that are not locatable, what we do is put the
>>>>> responsibility on the homeowner to locate & expose. We typically have
>>>>> to do this for drainage lines, dog fence wires etc. And you definitely
>>>>> do want a disclaimer of liability for hitting something that was not
>>>>> disclosed and you would have no way to know of it's existence.
>>>>> Whether that disclaimer would stand up in court is another issue. I
>>>>> also think telling the homeowner they are responsible for f
Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
You guys might not sign it, but a homeowner wanting fiber has the choice of a) no fiber or b) sign itthey're going to sign it. On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 12:10 AM Steve Jones wrote: > That had like an 8 or 9 dollar price tag? > > On Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 9:41 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > >> They didn’t call for a locate prior to drilling. Scuba divers had to >> dive inside the pipe and weld on a patch from the inside. Quite the >> ordeal. Good thing we had good insurance. >> >> >> >> *From:* Steve Jones >> *Sent:* Saturday, August 13, 2022 8:25 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review >> >> Ouch >> >> On Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 8:09 PM Chuck McCown via AF >> wrote: >> >>> One of them was 48” I think and washed out a railroad track... And it >>> was our fault... >>> >>> *From:* Chuck McCown via AF >>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 13, 2022 5:00 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review >>> >>> I have repaired tons of stuff, bought trees, bought sod, whatever it >>> takes to make the landowner happy. Not really their fault either if they >>> don’t know it is there. Just the cost of doing business. GL takes care of >>> hitting the city water main and washing it all into someone’s basement >>> etc. My crews have hit 4 city water mains and it is no picnic. 2 of them >>> were our fault. >>> >>> *From:* Steve Jones >>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 13, 2022 3:32 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review >>> >>> When the attorney feeds back I may update the erosion control. But I'm >>> no taking liability for somebody who chooses not to water. Even if I put >>> sod down it still needs water. I can the soil back in a condition conducive >>> to root growth, but I cant control what the landowner does. >>> I'll add a link to the JULIE website so customer can see what my >>> responsibilities are there. I do think adding that the customer may need to >>> expose their own things that's a good idea. >>> Will be waiting on the attorney for the what I will do's since that can >>> open a whole lot of liabilities. >>> I've read through a bunch of them and they range from pristine >>> restoration all the way to fuck you, pay me. >>> I just dont want to hit some leech field tie in and have to pay for that. >>> I carry more insurance than I need but I prefer to not use it. Most >>> everything I can locate with the utiliguard, and I can repair most anything >>> I hit unknowingly. >>> An example is a nearby guy knicked an unknown LP run to a garage. It >>> leaked half a full tank and he had to pay for it out of pocket. I'd pay it >>> too, I just dont want to be obligated to. >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 12:30 PM Chris Fabien wrote: >>> >>>> I wouldn't sign either if I were a homeowner. I think you need to more >>>> clearly define what you will and won't do, and what you can and cannot >>>> reasonably avoid. For example, you can reasonably avoid a private >>>> power run to an out building if the homeowner discloses it's >>>> existence, you should have equipment to locate the exact path/depth. >>>> Other things that are not locatable, what we do is put the >>>> responsibility on the homeowner to locate & expose. We typically have >>>> to do this for drainage lines, dog fence wires etc. And you definitely >>>> do want a disclaimer of liability for hitting something that was not >>>> disclosed and you would have no way to know of it's existence. >>>> Whether that disclaimer would stand up in court is another issue. I >>>> also think telling the homeowner they are responsible for future >>>> erosion control is going too far, your crew should be doing enough >>>> restoration to stabilize the ground and get grass growing again. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 11:15 AM Steve Jones >>>> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > You guys who do this want to review this and tell me what im missing. >>>> Ive sent it to the attorney for review but shes more an estate attorney, so >>>> may be that there are some gotchas im missing. I dont like that its 2 >>>> pages, but I like liability eve
Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
That had like an 8 or 9 dollar price tag? On Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 9:41 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > They didn’t call for a locate prior to drilling. Scuba divers had to dive > inside the pipe and weld on a patch from the inside. Quite the ordeal. > Good thing we had good insurance. > > > > *From:* Steve Jones > *Sent:* Saturday, August 13, 2022 8:25 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review > > Ouch > > On Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 8:09 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > >> One of them was 48” I think and washed out a railroad track... And it >> was our fault... >> >> *From:* Chuck McCown via AF >> *Sent:* Saturday, August 13, 2022 5:00 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Cc:* Chuck McCown >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review >> >> I have repaired tons of stuff, bought trees, bought sod, whatever it >> takes to make the landowner happy. Not really their fault either if they >> don’t know it is there. Just the cost of doing business. GL takes care of >> hitting the city water main and washing it all into someone’s basement >> etc. My crews have hit 4 city water mains and it is no picnic. 2 of them >> were our fault. >> >> *From:* Steve Jones >> *Sent:* Saturday, August 13, 2022 3:32 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review >> >> When the attorney feeds back I may update the erosion control. But I'm no >> taking liability for somebody who chooses not to water. Even if I put sod >> down it still needs water. I can the soil back in a condition conducive to >> root growth, but I cant control what the landowner does. >> I'll add a link to the JULIE website so customer can see what my >> responsibilities are there. I do think adding that the customer may need to >> expose their own things that's a good idea. >> Will be waiting on the attorney for the what I will do's since that can >> open a whole lot of liabilities. >> I've read through a bunch of them and they range from pristine >> restoration all the way to fuck you, pay me. >> I just dont want to hit some leech field tie in and have to pay for that. >> I carry more insurance than I need but I prefer to not use it. Most >> everything I can locate with the utiliguard, and I can repair most anything >> I hit unknowingly. >> An example is a nearby guy knicked an unknown LP run to a garage. It >> leaked half a full tank and he had to pay for it out of pocket. I'd pay it >> too, I just dont want to be obligated to. >> >> On Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 12:30 PM Chris Fabien wrote: >> >>> I wouldn't sign either if I were a homeowner. I think you need to more >>> clearly define what you will and won't do, and what you can and cannot >>> reasonably avoid. For example, you can reasonably avoid a private >>> power run to an out building if the homeowner discloses it's >>> existence, you should have equipment to locate the exact path/depth. >>> Other things that are not locatable, what we do is put the >>> responsibility on the homeowner to locate & expose. We typically have >>> to do this for drainage lines, dog fence wires etc. And you definitely >>> do want a disclaimer of liability for hitting something that was not >>> disclosed and you would have no way to know of it's existence. >>> Whether that disclaimer would stand up in court is another issue. I >>> also think telling the homeowner they are responsible for future >>> erosion control is going too far, your crew should be doing enough >>> restoration to stabilize the ground and get grass growing again. >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 11:15 AM Steve Jones >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > You guys who do this want to review this and tell me what im missing. >>> Ive sent it to the attorney for review but shes more an estate attorney, so >>> may be that there are some gotchas im missing. I dont like that its 2 >>> pages, but I like liability even less. >>> > This is more for residential, small commercial and WISP/FISP work . I >>> assume if I get into a bigger drill and bigger work, those contracts will >>> address all that. >>> > >>> > Thanks in advance >>> > -- >>> > AF mailing list >>> > AF@af.afmug.com >>> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.
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They didn’t call for a locate prior to drilling. Scuba divers had to dive inside the pipe and weld on a patch from the inside. Quite the ordeal. Good thing we had good insurance. From: Steve Jones Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 8:25 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review Ouch On Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 8:09 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: One of them was 48” I think and washed out a railroad track... And it was our fault... From: Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 5:00 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review I have repaired tons of stuff, bought trees, bought sod, whatever it takes to make the landowner happy. Not really their fault either if they don’t know it is there. Just the cost of doing business. GL takes care of hitting the city water main and washing it all into someone’s basement etc. My crews have hit 4 city water mains and it is no picnic. 2 of them were our fault. From: Steve Jones Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 3:32 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review When the attorney feeds back I may update the erosion control. But I'm no taking liability for somebody who chooses not to water. Even if I put sod down it still needs water. I can the soil back in a condition conducive to root growth, but I cant control what the landowner does. I'll add a link to the JULIE website so customer can see what my responsibilities are there. I do think adding that the customer may need to expose their own things that's a good idea. Will be waiting on the attorney for the what I will do's since that can open a whole lot of liabilities. I've read through a bunch of them and they range from pristine restoration all the way to fuck you, pay me. I just dont want to hit some leech field tie in and have to pay for that. I carry more insurance than I need but I prefer to not use it. Most everything I can locate with the utiliguard, and I can repair most anything I hit unknowingly. An example is a nearby guy knicked an unknown LP run to a garage. It leaked half a full tank and he had to pay for it out of pocket. I'd pay it too, I just dont want to be obligated to. On Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 12:30 PM Chris Fabien wrote: I wouldn't sign either if I were a homeowner. I think you need to more clearly define what you will and won't do, and what you can and cannot reasonably avoid. For example, you can reasonably avoid a private power run to an out building if the homeowner discloses it's existence, you should have equipment to locate the exact path/depth. Other things that are not locatable, what we do is put the responsibility on the homeowner to locate & expose. We typically have to do this for drainage lines, dog fence wires etc. And you definitely do want a disclaimer of liability for hitting something that was not disclosed and you would have no way to know of it's existence. Whether that disclaimer would stand up in court is another issue. I also think telling the homeowner they are responsible for future erosion control is going too far, your crew should be doing enough restoration to stabilize the ground and get grass growing again. On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 11:15 AM Steve Jones wrote: > > You guys who do this want to review this and tell me what im missing. Ive sent it to the attorney for review but shes more an estate attorney, so may be that there are some gotchas im missing. I dont like that its 2 pages, but I like liability even less. > This is more for residential, small commercial and WISP/FISP work . I assume if I get into a bigger drill and bigger work, those contracts will address all that. > > Thanks in advance > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Ouch On Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 8:09 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > One of them was 48” I think and washed out a railroad track... And it was > our fault... > > *From:* Chuck McCown via AF > *Sent:* Saturday, August 13, 2022 5:00 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Cc:* Chuck McCown > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review > > I have repaired tons of stuff, bought trees, bought sod, whatever it takes > to make the landowner happy. Not really their fault either if they don’t > know it is there. Just the cost of doing business. GL takes care of > hitting the city water main and washing it all into someone’s basement > etc. My crews have hit 4 city water mains and it is no picnic. 2 of them > were our fault. > > *From:* Steve Jones > *Sent:* Saturday, August 13, 2022 3:32 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review > > When the attorney feeds back I may update the erosion control. But I'm no > taking liability for somebody who chooses not to water. Even if I put sod > down it still needs water. I can the soil back in a condition conducive to > root growth, but I cant control what the landowner does. > I'll add a link to the JULIE website so customer can see what my > responsibilities are there. I do think adding that the customer may need to > expose their own things that's a good idea. > Will be waiting on the attorney for the what I will do's since that can > open a whole lot of liabilities. > I've read through a bunch of them and they range from pristine restoration > all the way to fuck you, pay me. > I just dont want to hit some leech field tie in and have to pay for that. > I carry more insurance than I need but I prefer to not use it. Most > everything I can locate with the utiliguard, and I can repair most anything > I hit unknowingly. > An example is a nearby guy knicked an unknown LP run to a garage. It > leaked half a full tank and he had to pay for it out of pocket. I'd pay it > too, I just dont want to be obligated to. > > On Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 12:30 PM Chris Fabien wrote: > >> I wouldn't sign either if I were a homeowner. I think you need to more >> clearly define what you will and won't do, and what you can and cannot >> reasonably avoid. For example, you can reasonably avoid a private >> power run to an out building if the homeowner discloses it's >> existence, you should have equipment to locate the exact path/depth. >> Other things that are not locatable, what we do is put the >> responsibility on the homeowner to locate & expose. We typically have >> to do this for drainage lines, dog fence wires etc. And you definitely >> do want a disclaimer of liability for hitting something that was not >> disclosed and you would have no way to know of it's existence. >> Whether that disclaimer would stand up in court is another issue. I >> also think telling the homeowner they are responsible for future >> erosion control is going too far, your crew should be doing enough >> restoration to stabilize the ground and get grass growing again. >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 11:15 AM Steve Jones >> wrote: >> > >> > You guys who do this want to review this and tell me what im missing. >> Ive sent it to the attorney for review but shes more an estate attorney, so >> may be that there are some gotchas im missing. I dont like that its 2 >> pages, but I like liability even less. >> > This is more for residential, small commercial and WISP/FISP work . I >> assume if I get into a bigger drill and bigger work, those contracts will >> address all that. >> > >> > Thanks in advance >> > -- >> > AF mailing list >> > AF@af.afmug.com >> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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One of them was 48” I think and washed out a railroad track... And it was our fault... From: Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 5:00 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review I have repaired tons of stuff, bought trees, bought sod, whatever it takes to make the landowner happy. Not really their fault either if they don’t know it is there. Just the cost of doing business. GL takes care of hitting the city water main and washing it all into someone’s basement etc. My crews have hit 4 city water mains and it is no picnic. 2 of them were our fault. From: Steve Jones Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 3:32 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review When the attorney feeds back I may update the erosion control. But I'm no taking liability for somebody who chooses not to water. Even if I put sod down it still needs water. I can the soil back in a condition conducive to root growth, but I cant control what the landowner does. I'll add a link to the JULIE website so customer can see what my responsibilities are there. I do think adding that the customer may need to expose their own things that's a good idea. Will be waiting on the attorney for the what I will do's since that can open a whole lot of liabilities. I've read through a bunch of them and they range from pristine restoration all the way to fuck you, pay me. I just dont want to hit some leech field tie in and have to pay for that. I carry more insurance than I need but I prefer to not use it. Most everything I can locate with the utiliguard, and I can repair most anything I hit unknowingly. An example is a nearby guy knicked an unknown LP run to a garage. It leaked half a full tank and he had to pay for it out of pocket. I'd pay it too, I just dont want to be obligated to. On Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 12:30 PM Chris Fabien wrote: I wouldn't sign either if I were a homeowner. I think you need to more clearly define what you will and won't do, and what you can and cannot reasonably avoid. For example, you can reasonably avoid a private power run to an out building if the homeowner discloses it's existence, you should have equipment to locate the exact path/depth. Other things that are not locatable, what we do is put the responsibility on the homeowner to locate & expose. We typically have to do this for drainage lines, dog fence wires etc. And you definitely do want a disclaimer of liability for hitting something that was not disclosed and you would have no way to know of it's existence. Whether that disclaimer would stand up in court is another issue. I also think telling the homeowner they are responsible for future erosion control is going too far, your crew should be doing enough restoration to stabilize the ground and get grass growing again. On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 11:15 AM Steve Jones wrote: > > You guys who do this want to review this and tell me what im missing. Ive sent it to the attorney for review but shes more an estate attorney, so may be that there are some gotchas im missing. I dont like that its 2 pages, but I like liability even less. > This is more for residential, small commercial and WISP/FISP work . I assume if I get into a bigger drill and bigger work, those contracts will address all that. > > Thanks in advance > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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I have repaired tons of stuff, bought trees, bought sod, whatever it takes to make the landowner happy. Not really their fault either if they don’t know it is there. Just the cost of doing business. GL takes care of hitting the city water main and washing it all into someone’s basement etc. My crews have hit 4 city water mains and it is no picnic. 2 of them were our fault. From: Steve Jones Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 3:32 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review When the attorney feeds back I may update the erosion control. But I'm no taking liability for somebody who chooses not to water. Even if I put sod down it still needs water. I can the soil back in a condition conducive to root growth, but I cant control what the landowner does. I'll add a link to the JULIE website so customer can see what my responsibilities are there. I do think adding that the customer may need to expose their own things that's a good idea. Will be waiting on the attorney for the what I will do's since that can open a whole lot of liabilities. I've read through a bunch of them and they range from pristine restoration all the way to fuck you, pay me. I just dont want to hit some leech field tie in and have to pay for that. I carry more insurance than I need but I prefer to not use it. Most everything I can locate with the utiliguard, and I can repair most anything I hit unknowingly. An example is a nearby guy knicked an unknown LP run to a garage. It leaked half a full tank and he had to pay for it out of pocket. I'd pay it too, I just dont want to be obligated to. On Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 12:30 PM Chris Fabien wrote: I wouldn't sign either if I were a homeowner. I think you need to more clearly define what you will and won't do, and what you can and cannot reasonably avoid. For example, you can reasonably avoid a private power run to an out building if the homeowner discloses it's existence, you should have equipment to locate the exact path/depth. Other things that are not locatable, what we do is put the responsibility on the homeowner to locate & expose. We typically have to do this for drainage lines, dog fence wires etc. And you definitely do want a disclaimer of liability for hitting something that was not disclosed and you would have no way to know of it's existence. Whether that disclaimer would stand up in court is another issue. I also think telling the homeowner they are responsible for future erosion control is going too far, your crew should be doing enough restoration to stabilize the ground and get grass growing again. On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 11:15 AM Steve Jones wrote: > > You guys who do this want to review this and tell me what im missing. Ive sent it to the attorney for review but shes more an estate attorney, so may be that there are some gotchas im missing. I dont like that its 2 pages, but I like liability even less. > This is more for residential, small commercial and WISP/FISP work . I assume if I get into a bigger drill and bigger work, those contracts will address all that. > > Thanks in advance > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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When the attorney feeds back I may update the erosion control. But I'm no taking liability for somebody who chooses not to water. Even if I put sod down it still needs water. I can the soil back in a condition conducive to root growth, but I cant control what the landowner does. I'll add a link to the JULIE website so customer can see what my responsibilities are there. I do think adding that the customer may need to expose their own things that's a good idea. Will be waiting on the attorney for the what I will do's since that can open a whole lot of liabilities. I've read through a bunch of them and they range from pristine restoration all the way to fuck you, pay me. I just dont want to hit some leech field tie in and have to pay for that. I carry more insurance than I need but I prefer to not use it. Most everything I can locate with the utiliguard, and I can repair most anything I hit unknowingly. An example is a nearby guy knicked an unknown LP run to a garage. It leaked half a full tank and he had to pay for it out of pocket. I'd pay it too, I just dont want to be obligated to. On Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 12:30 PM Chris Fabien wrote: > I wouldn't sign either if I were a homeowner. I think you need to more > clearly define what you will and won't do, and what you can and cannot > reasonably avoid. For example, you can reasonably avoid a private > power run to an out building if the homeowner discloses it's > existence, you should have equipment to locate the exact path/depth. > Other things that are not locatable, what we do is put the > responsibility on the homeowner to locate & expose. We typically have > to do this for drainage lines, dog fence wires etc. And you definitely > do want a disclaimer of liability for hitting something that was not > disclosed and you would have no way to know of it's existence. > Whether that disclaimer would stand up in court is another issue. I > also think telling the homeowner they are responsible for future > erosion control is going too far, your crew should be doing enough > restoration to stabilize the ground and get grass growing again. > > > On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 11:15 AM Steve Jones wrote: > > > > You guys who do this want to review this and tell me what im missing. > Ive sent it to the attorney for review but shes more an estate attorney, so > may be that there are some gotchas im missing. I dont like that its 2 > pages, but I like liability even less. > > This is more for residential, small commercial and WISP/FISP work . I > assume if I get into a bigger drill and bigger work, those contracts will > address all that. > > > > Thanks in advance > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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I wish that someone would invent a really good ground penetrating radar. Out here our soil conductivity is too high for even the existing GPR that don't work all that all. I think something based on a fish finder would work if you could somehow couple the transducer to the soil. Be so nice to be able to look at what is down there before you dig. Perhaps some kind of neutron backscatter imaging would work. -Original Message- From: Chris Fabien Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 11:28 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review I wouldn't sign either if I were a homeowner. I think you need to more clearly define what you will and won't do, and what you can and cannot reasonably avoid. For example, you can reasonably avoid a private power run to an out building if the homeowner discloses it's existence, you should have equipment to locate the exact path/depth. Other things that are not locatable, what we do is put the responsibility on the homeowner to locate & expose. We typically have to do this for drainage lines, dog fence wires etc. And you definitely do want a disclaimer of liability for hitting something that was not disclosed and you would have no way to know of it's existence. Whether that disclaimer would stand up in court is another issue. I also think telling the homeowner they are responsible for future erosion control is going too far, your crew should be doing enough restoration to stabilize the ground and get grass growing again. On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 11:15 AM Steve Jones wrote: You guys who do this want to review this and tell me what im missing. Ive sent it to the attorney for review but shes more an estate attorney, so may be that there are some gotchas im missing. I dont like that its 2 pages, but I like liability even less. This is more for residential, small commercial and WISP/FISP work . I assume if I get into a bigger drill and bigger work, those contracts will address all that. Thanks in advance -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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I wouldn't sign either if I were a homeowner. I think you need to more clearly define what you will and won't do, and what you can and cannot reasonably avoid. For example, you can reasonably avoid a private power run to an out building if the homeowner discloses it's existence, you should have equipment to locate the exact path/depth. Other things that are not locatable, what we do is put the responsibility on the homeowner to locate & expose. We typically have to do this for drainage lines, dog fence wires etc. And you definitely do want a disclaimer of liability for hitting something that was not disclosed and you would have no way to know of it's existence. Whether that disclaimer would stand up in court is another issue. I also think telling the homeowner they are responsible for future erosion control is going too far, your crew should be doing enough restoration to stabilize the ground and get grass growing again. On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 11:15 AM Steve Jones wrote: > > You guys who do this want to review this and tell me what im missing. Ive > sent it to the attorney for review but shes more an estate attorney, so may > be that there are some gotchas im missing. I dont like that its 2 pages, but > I like liability even less. > This is more for residential, small commercial and WISP/FISP work . I assume > if I get into a bigger drill and bigger work, those contracts will address > all that. > > Thanks in advance > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review
Looks OK to me, but I would not sign it as a land owner. I would expect you to have general liability insurance for things like this, to do your due diligence and duty of care. Some may sign, perhaps many will sign. But really, it is ALL on you. From: Steve Jones Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 9:13 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] Release of Liability Review You guys who do this want to review this and tell me what im missing. Ive sent it to the attorney for review but shes more an estate attorney, so may be that there are some gotchas im missing. I dont like that its 2 pages, but I like liability even less. This is more for residential, small commercial and WISP/FISP work . I assume if I get into a bigger drill and bigger work, those contracts will address all that. Thanks in advance -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
