Re: [AFMUG] PTP-820S
I really like the looks of the products too. I hope they post spec sheets soon. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 10/13/2014 10:25 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: I like the specs. What's the waveguide interface, Remec? But what about pricing? 820G is also interesting. Is the all-indoor version really all indoor with the radio built into the IDU? Isn't that what the 810i is/was?
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest way to bachaul 1gig fiber 1 mile?
Do you have the radios something like 20ft of vertical separation to make this work? if they are too close together wouldn't the tx interfere with the rx of the link next to it shooting the same direction? Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 10/13/2014 11:58 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote: That's incorrect. You have link 1 on one set of freqs, then on link 2 you swap the TX/RX freqs. We have a site with 5 AF24s on it currently. No problems. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/13/2014 05:49 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af wrote: No you can't, in 750Mbps mode an af24 link takes all available 24 GHz bandwidth in both polarities. Will not work in parallel ptp between the same two sites. Will work if one af24 is aimed off-azimuth at least 10 degrees at another third site. On Oct 13, 2014 4:48 PM, Jerry Richardson via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: 1 Gig both ways? You **could** theoretically use two AF24’s and a Mikrotik router to bond the connections. This would give them 1.0Gbps with redundancy. *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout via Af *Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2014 3:59 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cheapest way to bachaul 1gig fiber 1 mile? What is the cheapest method of backhauling a 1gig fiber about 1 mile? I'm assuming you can't reliably bond or aggregate airfiber 24's can you? TJ
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest way to bachaul 1gig fiber 1 mile?
We have about 5 feet of horizontal separation on a flat roof. Data rates are max, ~3 mile shot. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/14/2014 12:25 AM, Matt Jenkins via Af wrote: Do you have the radios something like 20ft of vertical separation to make this work? if they are too close together wouldn't the tx interfere with the rx of the link next to it shooting the same direction? Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 10/13/2014 11:58 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote: That's incorrect. You have link 1 on one set of freqs, then on link 2 you swap the TX/RX freqs. We have a site with 5 AF24s on it currently. No problems. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/13/2014 05:49 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af wrote: No you can't, in 750Mbps mode an af24 link takes all available 24 GHz bandwidth in both polarities. Will not work in parallel ptp between the same two sites. Will work if one af24 is aimed off-azimuth at least 10 degrees at another third site. On Oct 13, 2014 4:48 PM, Jerry Richardson via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: 1 Gig both ways? You **could** theoretically use two AF24’s and a Mikrotik router to bond the connections. This would give them 1.0Gbps with redundancy. *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout via Af *Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2014 3:59 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cheapest way to bachaul 1gig fiber 1 mile? What is the cheapest method of backhauling a 1gig fiber about 1 mile? I'm assuming you can't reliably bond or aggregate airfiber 24's can you? TJ
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest way to bachaul 1gig fiber 1 mile?
Yes, 5 on one site, but aimed in different directions. Do you have two af24 pairs in parallel, FDD, each using the full 200 MHz, linking two sites on exactly the same azimuth and elevation? On Oct 13, 2014 11:58 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: That's incorrect. You have link 1 on one set of freqs, then on link 2 you swap the TX/RX freqs. We have a site with 5 AF24s on it currently. No problems. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/13/2014 05:49 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af wrote: No you can't, in 750Mbps mode an af24 link takes all available 24 GHz bandwidth in both polarities. Will not work in parallel ptp between the same two sites. Will work if one af24 is aimed off-azimuth at least 10 degrees at another third site. On Oct 13, 2014 4:48 PM, Jerry Richardson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: 1 Gig both ways? You **could** theoretically use two AF24’s and a Mikrotik router to bond the connections. This would give them 1.0Gbps with redundancy. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout via Af *Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2014 3:59 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cheapest way to bachaul 1gig fiber 1 mile? What is the cheapest method of backhauling a 1gig fiber about 1 mile? I'm assuming you can't reliably bond or aggregate airfiber 24's can you? TJ
Re: [AFMUG] VoIP Termination Providers
+1 On Oct 13, 2014, at 12:55 PM, Charles Boening via Af af@afmug.com wrote: SIP Routes has been great for us. I know a couple other providers using SIP Routes. They seem very happy as well. We also use Century Link. Charlie -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke via Af Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 9:02 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] VoIP Termination Providers I'm looking for a backup termination provider to VoIP Innovations, so that if VI has an issue, customers can still make outbound calls. I know there are Thousands out there, Just looking for good/bad/ugly experiences with any of them. Or if you're really happy with one. I'm hitting my VI minimums just in inbound calling, so I could route all outbound traffic through a different provider if they require monthly minimums. Nate
Re: [AFMUG] TEST
Put a ball of foil on your rabbit ears. From: Willi Gruber via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 7:34 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] TEST What is going on? I am not receiving anything.
[AFMUG] Downtilt tool
We have upgraded a bunch of towers to ePMP (2.4) are finding we are going to really be more exacting with our downtilts to avoid spectrum overlap... more than we did with 100 series, because of the SNR requirements. I assume 2.4 450 would have similar requirements. So, I want to map out my down-tilt plans . Is there a good online tool for this? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] Trango coming back to unlicensed pmp/ptp with ACbased system
The PTP450's are shipping now, we got ours last week. On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 7:29 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Are they shipping product, or just datasheets and Powerpoints? Is it like Mimosa, and Cambium PTP450, announced but not seen in the wild? Are objects in mirror closer than they appear? Our industry needs a Steve Jobs, someone who announces the product you didn’t even know yet that you desperately needed, and has it in stores the next day. No, not the product you could already buy, but at a disruptive new price. That would be like the OnePlus One – the phone you want but now you can afford it. *From:* Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2014 9:37 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Trango coming back to unlicensed pmp/ptp with ACbased system I would buy it right now if I was in the business. New frequency band (5.15 to 5.25) and up to 40 clients and 600Mbps of throughput. What other product on the market can do that right now? Travis On 10/13/2014 6:44 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: Who are they going to sell it to, with their direct sales model? Remember how they went back and forth on that? *From:* Tyler Treat via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2014 7:15 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Trango coming back to unlicensed pmp/ptp with ACbased system …you would think. I know a guy that still thinks it’s the greatest thing ever…. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie via Af *Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2014 7:07 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Trango coming back to unlicensed pmp/ptp with AC based system I would think people would have a bad taste in their mouths from the way Trango previously handled ptmp. On Monday, October 13, 2014, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: https://www.trangosys.com/news/introducing-new-altum-ac-outdoor-5x-ghz-wireless-system-integrated-wi-fi Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] 477 deadline
I believe Steve Coran posted something (probably over at the WISPA list) about November. I think it was based on ~2 weeks more addressing the mystery issue, and then 2 weeks notice for filers. It would be nice if they were a little more transparent about the issue/incident/anomaly. Was the data hacked? Corrupted or lost? Ran out of room and had to order more hard drives? First time a telco tried to upload a million line CSV file it choked? -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 9:22 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] 477 deadline So I had actually forgotten about the 477 after the technical problem on the FCC site. It looks like it's still broken though, so I guess I didn't miss the boat yet. Has anybody heard when it will be back up?
Re: [AFMUG] TEST
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Re: [AFMUG] Trango coming back to unlicensed pmp/ptp with ACbasedsystem
Cool, I couldn’t even find it on my reseller’s website. What frequency did you get, I assume probably 5 GHz? From: Steve Utick via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 9:32 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trango coming back to unlicensed pmp/ptp with ACbasedsystem The PTP450's are shipping now, we got ours last week. On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 7:29 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Are they shipping product, or just datasheets and Powerpoints? Is it like Mimosa, and Cambium PTP450, announced but not seen in the wild? Are objects in mirror closer than they appear? Our industry needs a Steve Jobs, someone who announces the product you didn’t even know yet that you desperately needed, and has it in stores the next day. No, not the product you could already buy, but at a disruptive new price. That would be like the OnePlus One – the phone you want but now you can afford it. From: Travis Johnson via Af Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 9:37 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trango coming back to unlicensed pmp/ptp with ACbased system I would buy it right now if I was in the business. New frequency band (5.15 to 5.25) and up to 40 clients and 600Mbps of throughput. What other product on the market can do that right now? Travis On 10/13/2014 6:44 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: Who are they going to sell it to, with their direct sales model? Remember how they went back and forth on that? From: Tyler Treat via Af Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 7:15 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trango coming back to unlicensed pmp/ptp with ACbased system …you would think. I know a guy that still thinks it’s the greatest thing ever…. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie via Af Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 7:07 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trango coming back to unlicensed pmp/ptp with AC based system I would think people would have a bad taste in their mouths from the way Trango previously handled ptmp. On Monday, October 13, 2014, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: https://www.trangosys.com/news/introducing-new-altum-ac-outdoor-5x-ghz-wireless-system-integrated-wi-fi Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] ubnt air select
It's not like a SCINGARS hop/10ms or anything. You can try pushing it till around 15/1500, but the biggest problem is that clients who drop association for whatever reason will have problems reconnectingif given only a short window to authenticate and sync. I hop I was fairly clear in what I just said. It's early Vegas time and there were a lot of open bars and drinks exchanged last night... Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/14/2014 07:40 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote: You've got your hop time and hello count. Hello needs to be roughly 1/100th of your hop count, but anything shorter than 30/3000 will often have issues. Yes, the radio will hop every period, ideally to the channels that aren't on the naughty list. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/14/2014 07:36 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote: 5.5.8 Im leery of a week old UBNT load. I put it on one backhaul and had an issue with it getting power from a toughswitch, but havent had a chance to see if it is one off or can be replicated. I dont care if I can define the hops or not, it shouldnt be hopping every single hopping period as far as I know, if theyre trying to mimic FHSS then the hopping sequence needs to be randomized and much much quicker On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 5:19 AM, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Are you using 5.5.10? The frequency hope supposed to be user defined — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 11:53 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: . i tried this a long time ago, it just hopped constantly so i figured after a couple years they must have gotten it to work, so I turned it on on a 5ghz backhaul and selected the default list. Its hopping like once every second, does it go through a series of hops before it stabilizes or is it still UBNT unicorn sausage? -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Downtilt tool
Trig? Tangent? How far out do you want to focus the main lobe? Take the tower height, divided by that distance (both in the same units) and do the arctan of that. So if the tower was 200 feet, and you want to target a spot 2 miles away, arctan(200/10560)=1 degree From: Paul McCall via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:13 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Downtilt tool We have upgraded a bunch of towers to ePMP (2.4) are finding we are going to really be more exacting with our downtilts to avoid spectrum overlap… more than we did with 100 series, because of the SNR requirements. I assume 2.4 450 would have similar requirements. So, I want to map out my down-tilt plans . Is there a good online tool for this? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] Downtilt tool
That's the method I've generally used. You can further calculate based on the vertical beamwidth where the outer edge of the -3db coverage circle would land, and where the inner edge would land. Then you can attempt to visualize it. I feel like somebody once linked to an online map tool that would show you a simple visualization of where your sector would cover. I can't think of who or when now. Trig? Tangent? How far out do you want to focus the main lobe? Take the tower height, divided by that distance (both in the same units) and do the arctan of that. So if the tower was 200 feet, and you want to target a spot 2 miles away, arctan(200/10560)=1 degree *From:* Paul McCall via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:13 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Downtilt tool We have upgraded a bunch of towers to ePMP (2.4) are finding we are going to really be more exacting with our downtilts to avoid spectrum overlap… more than we did with 100 series, because of the SNR requirements. I assume 2.4 450 would have similar requirements. So, I want to map out my down-tilt plans . Is there a good online tool for this? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com http://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] Downtilt tool
arctan sounds like a villain from he-ma On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Trig? Tangent? How far out do you want to focus the main lobe? Take the tower height, divided by that distance (both in the same units) and do the arctan of that. So if the tower was 200 feet, and you want to target a spot 2 miles away, arctan(200/10560)=1 degree *From:* Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:13 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Downtilt tool We have upgraded a bunch of towers to ePMP (2.4) are finding we are going to really be more exacting with our downtilts to avoid spectrum overlap… more than we did with 100 series, because of the SNR requirements. I assume 2.4 450 would have similar requirements. So, I want to map out my down-tilt plans . Is there a good online tool for this? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Downtilt tool
Adam, That’s what I was thinking also. That would be handy From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 11:20 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Downtilt tool That's the method I've generally used. You can further calculate based on the vertical beamwidth where the outer edge of the -3db coverage circle would land, and where the inner edge would land. Then you can attempt to visualize it. I feel like somebody once linked to an online map tool that would show you a simple visualization of where your sector would cover. I can't think of who or when now. Trig? Tangent? How far out do you want to focus the main lobe? Take the tower height, divided by that distance (both in the same units) and do the arctan of that. So if the tower was 200 feet, and you want to target a spot 2 miles away, arctan(200/10560)=1 degree From: Paul McCall via Afmailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:13 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Downtilt tool We have upgraded a bunch of towers to ePMP (2.4) are finding we are going to really be more exacting with our downtilts to avoid spectrum overlap… more than we did with 100 series, because of the SNR requirements. I assume 2.4 450 would have similar requirements. So, I want to map out my down-tilt plans . Is there a good online tool for this? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] PTP-820S
It's Ceregon, so I think the ODU is not Remec. We have not gotten pricing yet. I'm told it will be another week before we get details on pricing. bp On 10/13/2014 10:25 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: I like the specs. What's the waveguide interface, Remec? But what about pricing? 820G is also interesting. Is the all-indoor version really all indoor with the radio built into the IDU? Isn't that what the 810i is/was?
Re: [AFMUG] PTP-820S
You'll probably want a clean pair of pants to go with that pricing. On Tuesday, October 14, 2014, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It's Ceregon, so I think the ODU is not Remec. We have not gotten pricing yet. I'm told it will be another week before we get details on pricing. bp On 10/13/2014 10:25 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: I like the specs. What's the waveguide interface, Remec? But what about pricing? 820G is also interesting. Is the all-indoor version really all indoor with the radio built into the IDU? Isn't that what the 810i is/was?
Re: [AFMUG] Check out our TV add
De Nile is just a river in Egypt. bp On 10/13/2014 5:53 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af wrote: Did you guys make that video, or get it from a third party? It would be pretty easy to replace the audio voice over and sell it for English language markets thousands of Niles away from PR. On Oct 10, 2014 6:52 AM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Its in spanish, but I think its great! Hope you like it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCb-sed-O18feature=youtu.be Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] Trango coming back to unlicensed pmp/ptp with ACbased system
We got ours last week. Putting up one link today. Worried about output Tx power. bp On 10/14/2014 7:29 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: Are they shipping product, or just datasheets and Powerpoints? Is it like Mimosa, and Cambium PTP450, announced but not seen in the wild? Are objects in mirror closer than they appear? Our industry needs a Steve Jobs, someone who announces the product you didn’t even know yet that you desperately needed, and has it in stores the next day. No, not the product you could already buy, but at a disruptive new price. That would be like the OnePlus One – the phone you want but now you can afford it. *From:* Travis Johnson via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2014 9:37 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Trango coming back to unlicensed pmp/ptp with ACbased system I would buy it right now if I was in the business. New frequency band (5.15 to 5.25) and up to 40 clients and 600Mbps of throughput. What other product on the market can do that right now? Travis On 10/13/2014 6:44 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: Who are they going to sell it to, with their direct sales model? Remember how they went back and forth on that? *From:* Tyler Treat via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2014 7:15 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Trango coming back to unlicensed pmp/ptp with ACbased system …you would think. I know a guy that still thinks it’s the greatest thing ever…. *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie via Af *Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2014 7:07 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Trango coming back to unlicensed pmp/ptp with AC based system I would think people would have a bad taste in their mouths from the way Trango previously handled ptmp. On Monday, October 13, 2014, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: https://www.trangosys.com/news/introducing-new-altum-ac-outdoor-5x-ghz-wireless-system-integrated-wi-fi Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] PTP-820S
Bill, We have pricing as of last night and you are welcome to call me regardless of the condition of your pants. Jason From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:42 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP-820S You'll probably want a clean pair of pants to go with that pricing. On Tuesday, October 14, 2014, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: It's Ceregon, so I think the ODU is not Remec. We have not gotten pricing yet. I'm told it will be another week before we get details on pricing. bp On 10/13/2014 10:25 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: I like the specs. What's the waveguide interface, Remec? But what about pricing? 820G is also interesting. Is the all-indoor version really all indoor with the radio built into the IDU? Isn't that what the 810i is/was?
[AFMUG] Dual polarity omni
The tower that got taken out by the straight line wind was built with sectors expecting a decent load. It has around 25 folks on it, most of them 1Mb customers. Not exactly a return on my investment. I'm replacing 802.11g sectors with an 802.11n AP w/omni. Might regret it, but it is what I'm doing this week. Anyone use the ARC dual polarity omni? How do they hold up against the UBNT omni? I've had decent luck with the 10dBi UBNT, but the ARC is cheaper and advertised to be made in the US. Thanks Glen
Re: [AFMUG] Dual polarity omni
I've got a couple of the ARC 5ghz omnis up... no problems with them, so far. I do have a couple of the 2.4ghz omnis sitting on the shelf too, quality seems quite good. I've used a few different brands of dual polarity omnis, and the only ones I've ever had any issues with were UBNT - that being the cap coming off one and it filling up with water, and another one getting blown to bits by lightning, but I can't really blame UBNT for that... From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Glen Waldrop via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 11:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Dual polarity omni The tower that got taken out by the straight line wind was built with sectors expecting a decent load. It has around 25 folks on it, most of them 1Mb customers. Not exactly a return on my investment. I'm replacing 802.11g sectors with an 802.11n AP w/omni. Might regret it, but it is what I'm doing this week. Anyone use the ARC dual polarity omni? How do they hold up against the UBNT omni? I've had decent luck with the 10dBi UBNT, but the ARC is cheaper and advertised to be made in the US. Thanks Glen
Re: [AFMUG] Today's Job site
I'm jealous... you're always at all these neat places while the rest of us are standing around in mud and rotten corn getting rained on. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Jaime Solorza via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 11:51 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Today's Job site Headed up to replace control PC for 2 way repeater. Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] PTP-820S
The 32W power consumption, -48 or +24 (I assume a DC-DC converter built into the PoE injector?), 2048QAM and 80MHz channel bandwidth are all very nice. I don't really care if it's OEM'd Ceragon. Here's what I don't like from the info I've been able to find so far. License key for this, license key for that. If you don't let me have ACM with the base speed license out of the box, you've already turned me away. So this looks more like white-label Ceragon, not just OEM'd hardware. Speed licenses are fine, but nickel and diming me for every single feature is not. I bet it can't even do power per modulation level without a license key. So forget I even asked, I don't want it. On 10/14/2014 11:34 AM, Jason Petrillo via Af wrote: Bill, We have pricing as of last night and you are welcome to call me regardless of the condition of your pants. Jason *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie via Af *Sent:* Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:42 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PTP-820S You'll probably want a clean pair of pants to go with that pricing. On Tuesday, October 14, 2014, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: It's Ceregon, so I think the ODU is not Remec. We have not gotten pricing yet. I'm told it will be another week before we get details on pricing. bp On 10/13/2014 10:25 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: I like the specs. What's the waveguide interface, Remec? But what about pricing? 820G is also interesting. Is the all-indoor version really all indoor with the radio built into the IDU? Isn't that what the 810i is/was?
Re: [AFMUG] Downtilt tool
Teletronics had a cool utility for this Jaime Solorza On Oct 14, 2014 9:22 AM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Adam, That’s what I was thinking also. That would be handy *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett via Af *Sent:* Tuesday, October 14, 2014 11:20 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Downtilt tool That's the method I've generally used. You can further calculate based on the vertical beamwidth where the outer edge of the -3db coverage circle would land, and where the inner edge would land. Then you can attempt to visualize it. I feel like somebody once linked to an online map tool that would show you a simple visualization of where your sector would cover. I can't think of who or when now. Trig? Tangent? How far out do you want to focus the main lobe? Take the tower height, divided by that distance (both in the same units) and do the arctan of that. So if the tower was 200 feet, and you want to target a spot 2 miles away, arctan(200/10560)=1 degree *From:* Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:13 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Downtilt tool We have upgraded a bunch of towers to ePMP (2.4) are finding we are going to really be more exacting with our downtilts to avoid spectrum overlap… more than we did with 100 series, because of the SNR requirements. I assume 2.4 450 would have similar requirements. So, I want to map out my down-tilt plans . Is there a good online tool for this? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net
[AFMUG] Pole fees and process ?
How do you go about placing aerial fiber on power poles and what is the normal fee structure? What license do you need or permits to be able to place aerial cable? Some type of franchise right? Any estimates on aerial fiber cost for labor,fees, materials etc?
Re: [AFMUG] Pole fees and process ?
Many states regulate this. So you need to see what the rules are. The rules keep the power company from screwing you too much. You still get screwed. Much of this is determined by who owns the pole and if there is enough room on the pole for you. You will also have to pay for the the cost of replacing the pole if your cable adds enough additional load that it is overloaded. Then there is a whole bunch of “make ready” work you will have to pay for. But yes, very doable. Cheaper than underground. From: TJ Trout via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 2:50 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Pole fees and process ? How do you go about placing aerial fiber on power poles and what is the normal fee structure? What license do you need or permits to be able to place aerial cable? Some type of franchise right? Any estimates on aerial fiber cost for labor,fees, materials etc?
Re: [AFMUG] Pole fees and process ?
All over the board depending on your locality unfortunately. Some cities own the poles, some power companies own the poles, and other utilities own the poles. Find the poles you want to go on, get their ID numbers off each pole, and then contact each pole owner to get a contract. In our locality, the power company owns 99% of the poles and they are pretty easy to work with. Other states you'll have pole attach agreements with 4 companies, each with different rules, different engineering specs, and different prices. Make ready fees are what you'll get hit with, meaning the pole owner will charge you if they have to improve the poles to take the load/make room for your cable. Some states will require you to be a CLEC, others won't. Some cities or counties will require a franchise agreement, others won't. Robbie Wright Siuslaw Broadband http://siuslawbroadband.com 541-902-5101 On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 1:50 PM, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote: How do you go about placing aerial fiber on power poles and what is the normal fee structure? What license do you need or permits to be able to place aerial cable? Some type of franchise right? Any estimates on aerial fiber cost for labor,fees, materials etc?
[AFMUG] AirFiber 5
Putting together a quote for a Cambium 23 GHz 6.64 mile link and considering a back up link using a 5 GHz solution, They need over 200MBps so was wondering if you guys that have deployed the AirFiber 5 are getting good speeds at over 6 miles. Thanks Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber 5
They have licenses for 23 GHz...very old gear in service with issues. They contacted Cambium and Cambium contacted us to assist with project. I know rain fade is affecting the link thus my recommendation for a back up frequency that is low cost. nothing firmed up yet. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Darin Steffl via Af af@afmug.com wrote: 24 GHz is kind of far for 6.64 miles. Can you do 18 or 11ghz or airfiber5 would work. On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Ty Featherling via Af af@afmug.com wrote: At 14 miles with some noise I am seeing 250/220 with two 40mhz channels. -Ty On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Putting together a quote for a Cambium 23 GHz 6.64 mile link and considering a back up link using a 5 GHz solution, They need over 200MBps so was wondering if you guys that have deployed the AirFiber 5 are getting good speeds at over 6 miles. Thanks Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi
Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber 5
yep most years no rainthis year we had El Nino, La Nina, La Tia y mi abuela storms. lots of 23 GHz folks felt the pain. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote: 23Ghz is licensed and higher power than 24Ghz... I still wouldn't want to do that around here, but it's probably fine in Jaime's part of the world. -- *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Darin Steffl via Af [ af@afmug.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, October 14, 2014 5:08 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber 5 24 GHz is kind of far for 6.64 miles. Can you do 18 or 11ghz or airfiber5 would work. On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Ty Featherling via Af af@afmug.com wrote: At 14 miles with some noise I am seeing 250/220 with two 40mhz channels. -Ty On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Putting together a quote for a Cambium 23 GHz 6.64 mile link and considering a back up link using a 5 GHz solution, They need over 200MBps so was wondering if you guys that have deployed the AirFiber 5 are getting good speeds at over 6 miles. Thanks Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi
Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber 5
ah, I was wondering why 23ghz, that makes sense if they already have the license. If you wanted to do even lower cost for a backup, 200mbps should be do-able over some of the new AC stuff too, like the RocketM5 AC PtP lite. It shouldn't be hard to get that sort of speed through 5ghz as long as the spectrum is clean. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Jaime Solorza via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 5:18 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber 5 They have licenses for 23 GHz...very old gear in service with issues. They contacted Cambium and Cambium contacted us to assist with project. I know rain fade is affecting the link thus my recommendation for a back up frequency that is low cost. nothing firmed up yet. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Darin Steffl via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: 24 GHz is kind of far for 6.64 miles. Can you do 18 or 11ghz or airfiber5 would work. On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Ty Featherling via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: At 14 miles with some noise I am seeing 250/220 with two 40mhz channels. -Ty On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Putting together a quote for a Cambium 23 GHz 6.64 mile link and considering a back up link using a 5 GHz solution, They need over 200MBps so was wondering if you guys that have deployed the AirFiber 5 are getting good speeds at over 6 miles. Thanks Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390tel:915-861-1390 -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.comhttp://www.mnwifi.com/ 507-634-WiFi [http://www.snoitulosten.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/facebook-small.jpg]http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebookhttp://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi
Re: [AFMUG] Pole fees and process ?
Restoration can be quite expensive for underground. Some cities try and use your construction as there stop gap to fix there st’s. We’ve been asked to re pave and entire st and fix all the side walks for submitting to go 120 ft of underground from a vault to a pole. Things like that can kill a deal. Poles are fairly straight forward it can be a little frustrating to have to deal with multi pole vendors on a single run it happens and is totally workable. Just my 2 cents Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.commailto:car...@race.com / http://www.race.comhttp://www.race.com/ From: Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 at 2:52 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pole fees and process ? Considerably cheaper than buried if the pole owner is reasonable. It can start to get close if they're a pain in the ass. There are up front pole fees and pole rent, the fees are generally one time and the rent is recurring. -Jason On Tuesday, October 14, 2014, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: cheaper than buried? Is that in upfront costs? arent pole fees recurring though or is that normally just a one time fee? On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 3:59 PM, Robbie Wright via Af af@afmug.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: All over the board depending on your locality unfortunately. Some cities own the poles, some power companies own the poles, and other utilities own the poles. Find the poles you want to go on, get their ID numbers off each pole, and then contact each pole owner to get a contract. In our locality, the power company owns 99% of the poles and they are pretty easy to work with. Other states you'll have pole attach agreements with 4 companies, each with different rules, different engineering specs, and different prices. Make ready fees are what you'll get hit with, meaning the pole owner will charge you if they have to improve the poles to take the load/make room for your cable. Some states will require you to be a CLEC, others won't. Some cities or counties will require a franchise agreement, others won't. Robbie Wright Siuslaw Broadbandhttp://siuslawbroadband.com 541-902-5101tel:541-902-5101 On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 1:50 PM, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: How do you go about placing aerial fiber on power poles and what is the normal fee structure? What license do you need or permits to be able to place aerial cable? Some type of franchise right? Any estimates on aerial fiber cost for labor,fees, materials etc? -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Trango coming back to unlicensed pmp/ptp with ACbased system
PTP450 that is. Got the slave radio hung today. The master end still needs to be finalized on aiming; we only eye-balled the aim when we hung the master radio last week, so I am fairly surprised it came in this good. We're using a pair of MTI 24 panels (28 dBi), and the link is 8.49 miles. bp On 10/14/2014 8:46 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: We got ours last week. Putting up one link today. Worried about output Tx power. bp On 10/14/2014 7:29 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: Are they shipping product, or just datasheets and Powerpoints? Is it like Mimosa, and Cambium PTP450, announced but not seen in the wild? Are objects in mirror closer than they appear? Our industry needs a Steve Jobs, someone who announces the product you didn’t even know yet that you desperately needed, and has it in stores the next day. No, not the product you could already buy, but at a disruptive new price. That would be like the OnePlus One – the phone you want but now you can afford it. *From:* Travis Johnson via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2014 9:37 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Trango coming back to unlicensed pmp/ptp with ACbased system I would buy it right now if I was in the business. New frequency band (5.15 to 5.25) and up to 40 clients and 600Mbps of throughput. What other product on the market can do that right now? Travis On 10/13/2014 6:44 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: Who are they going to sell it to, with their direct sales model? Remember how they went back and forth on that? *From:* Tyler Treat via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2014 7:15 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Trango coming back to unlicensed pmp/ptp with ACbased system …you would think. I know a guy that still thinks it’s the greatest thing ever…. *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie via Af *Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2014 7:07 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Trango coming back to unlicensed pmp/ptp with AC based system I would think people would have a bad taste in their mouths from the way Trango previously handled ptmp. On Monday, October 13, 2014, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: https://www.trangosys.com/news/introducing-new-altum-ac-outdoor-5x-ghz-wireless-system-integrated-wi-fi Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] ubnt air select
5.5.10 opens the 5.1 band you might not need to hop if you upgrade firmware On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: s/SINCGARS ugh, no more emails for me today... throwing in the towel :/ Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/14/2014 07:44 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote: It's not like a SCINGARS hop/10ms or anything. You can try pushing it till around 15/1500, but the biggest problem is that clients who drop association for whatever reason will have problems reconnecting if given only a short window to authenticate and sync. I hop I was fairly clear in what I just said. It's early Vegas time and there were a lot of open bars and drinks exchanged last night... Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/14/2014 07:40 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote: You've got your hop time and hello count. Hello needs to be roughly 1/100th of your hop count, but anything shorter than 30/3000 will often have issues. Yes, the radio will hop every period, ideally to the channels that aren't on the naughty list. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/14/2014 07:36 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote: 5.5.8 Im leery of a week old UBNT load. I put it on one backhaul and had an issue with it getting power from a toughswitch, but havent had a chance to see if it is one off or can be replicated. I dont care if I can define the hops or not, it shouldnt be hopping every single hopping period as far as I know, if theyre trying to mimic FHSS then the hopping sequence needs to be randomized and much much quicker On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 5:19 AM, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Are you using 5.5.10? The frequency hope supposed to be user defined — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 11:53 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: . i tried this a long time ago, it just hopped constantly so i figured after a couple years they must have gotten it to work, so I turned it on on a 5ghz backhaul and selected the default list. Its hopping like once every second, does it go through a series of hops before it stabilizes or is it still UBNT unicorn sausage? -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] ubnt air select
its amazing how long of a link you can make in 5.1 with a radio that the adjust eirp to regulation doesnt work in On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 9:21 PM, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com wrote: 5.5.10 opens the 5.1 band you might not need to hop if you upgrade firmware On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: s/SINCGARS ugh, no more emails for me today... throwing in the towel :/ Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/14/2014 07:44 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote: It's not like a SCINGARS hop/10ms or anything. You can try pushing it till around 15/1500, but the biggest problem is that clients who drop association for whatever reason will have problems reconnecting if given only a short window to authenticate and sync. I hop I was fairly clear in what I just said. It's early Vegas time and there were a lot of open bars and drinks exchanged last night... Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/14/2014 07:40 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote: You've got your hop time and hello count. Hello needs to be roughly 1/100th of your hop count, but anything shorter than 30/3000 will often have issues. Yes, the radio will hop every period, ideally to the channels that aren't on the naughty list. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/14/2014 07:36 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote: 5.5.8 Im leery of a week old UBNT load. I put it on one backhaul and had an issue with it getting power from a toughswitch, but havent had a chance to see if it is one off or can be replicated. I dont care if I can define the hops or not, it shouldnt be hopping every single hopping period as far as I know, if theyre trying to mimic FHSS then the hopping sequence needs to be randomized and much much quicker On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 5:19 AM, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Are you using 5.5.10? The frequency hope supposed to be user defined — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 11:53 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: . i tried this a long time ago, it just hopped constantly so i figured after a couple years they must have gotten it to work, so I turned it on on a 5ghz backhaul and selected the default list. Its hopping like once every second, does it go through a series of hops before it stabilizes or is it still UBNT unicorn sausage? -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
[AFMUG] Bitcoin can (theorerically) be very profitable
http://www.coindesk.com/mit-bitcoin-trading-simulation-yields-profit-89-50-days/
