Re: [AFMUG] Fiber for tower (revisited)
I ended up ordering a 50/125 MTP cable pre-terminated on one side with 12 LC connections and MTP on the other side. Then I purchased mtp to 12 LC adapters. I just decided forget it and went unarmored in conduit to a 1U rack mount junction/splice housing on one side and a splice/junction box outside. Then I come out of that with patch cables in flex conduit to each BH. It worked out perfect but you do not want to know what I paid. Are these mtp to 12 LC the 'squids' that you are talking about? On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 8:44 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Has anyone figured out what the squids cost that the mobile guys use? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, September 25, 2014 10:44:26 AM *Subject: *[AFMUG] Fiber for tower (revisited) We are looking to run fiber for all of our licensed backhauls. I have seen Superior Essex armored fiber recommended before. I had a couple of questions. Do you usually just use two of the 12 fibers and run one cable to each backhaul? Do they make a version with just two pair? Is there a way for me to run the 12 into a box and then splice it out and run 6 backhauls over it? Would that be the recommended method? Then, on to terminationare most of you using the scoring tool and the field-installable ends that you squeeze to crimp? Are these recommended? Where is the best place to purchase these ends and tools? I have attached Mike's video of this process (which makes it look very simple btw) http://youtu.be/rKWLCVgkNtM
Re: [AFMUG] Fiber for tower (revisited)
http://bit.ly/1o5mG0V Start there and go forward a couple pictures. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, November 2, 2014 10:11:38 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber for tower (revisited) I ended up ordering a 50/125 MTP cable pre-terminated on one side with 12 LC connections and MTP on the other side. Then I purchased mtp to 12 LC adapters. I just decided forget it and went unarmored in conduit to a 1U rack mount junction/splice housing on one side and a splice/junction box outside. Then I come out of that with patch cables in flex conduit to each BH. It worked out perfect but you do not want to know what I paid. Are these mtp to 12 LC the 'squids' that you are talking about? On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 8:44 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Has anyone figured out what the squids cost that the mobile guys use? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 10:44:26 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Fiber for tower (revisited) We are looking to run fiber for all of our licensed backhauls. I have seen Superior Essex armored fiber recommended before. I had a couple of questions. Do you usually just use two of the 12 fibers and run one cable to each backhaul? Do they make a version with just two pair? Is there a way for me to run the 12 into a box and then splice it out and run 6 backhauls over it? Would that be the recommended method? Then, on to terminationare most of you using the scoring tool and the field-installable ends that you squeeze to crimp? Are these recommended? Where is the best place to purchase these ends and tools? I have attached Mike's video of this process (which makes it look very simple btw) http://youtu.be/rKWLCVgkNtM
Re: [AFMUG] Test
Works in California. bp On 11/1/2014 8:08 AM, Tyler Treat via Af wrote: This thing on?
Re: [AFMUG] Cacti Template for ePMP?
Cacti won't install templates from another cacti that is newer than it is. And there are limits to how old it will go back as well. But usually, you can import templates from versions one or two back; sometimes more. Be careful with the UBNT cacti templates. They are sort of a mish-mash of UBNT specific bits and some Mikrotik bits. I've found that some of the queries break the UBNT SNMP interface. So I've removed the non-functional queries, as they just cause me grief when I accidentally include them. bp On 11/1/2014 3:39 PM, Dave Bradich via Af wrote: Just got my first ePMP subscriber working with a Ubiquiti AP. Now I would like to Cacti graph it. Thanks Nicholas for the templates! I imported the snmp queries into the right place. Now I am trying to import the Cacti data queries. I am not a great Cacti guru and need help on the second part. Can someone tell me in layman’s terms how I import the Cacti data queries? I assume you just click Import Templates but I can’t seem to download the data query files two files so I can browse to them and import them. */Regards, Dave Bradich/* *//**/ispeed Communications/**//* */ (250) 469-9342/* *//* */The sender intends this message for a specific recipient and, as it may contain information that is privileged or confidential, any use, dissemination, forwarding, or copying by anyone without permission from the sender is prohibited./**//* *//* *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *David Milholen via Af *Sent:* October-09-14 4:59 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cacti Template for ePMP? So long as the oids dont change when there is a firmware update like some other I know. On 10/8/2014 6:05 PM, m0sia via Af wrote: Not sure if you've seen this one, but here are the templates: https://github.com/m0sia/cacti-ePMP I made them some times ago. I am ok to get a free beer on wispapalooza if the offer is still valid. Regards, Dima On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 10:03 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Move the RSSI to a separate graph (because it's negative). Takes resolution away from the positive numbers. Or, you can bias it relative to a value (like -80 for instance). That way -65 would show up as 15 (relative to -80). The closer it is to 0, the more marginal the link. If it goes negative, then you know you're in the dudu. bp On 10/2/2014 8:49 AM, Nicholas Eastman via Af wrote: As promised, here is my very basic SM Host template. Copy the snmp_queries to your server and import the host template. Nicholas Eastman Royell Communications, Inc. (217) 965-3699 1-877-400-9319 nic.east...@royell.org mailto:nic.east...@royell.org On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Nicholas Eastman via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I just set up a basic one the other day. It grabs RSSI, SNR, MCS rates in the default graph. I have a separate graph template that appears to be polling traffic rates correctly as well. (ePMP doesn't report from the standard interface table). I'm out working at a tower site today, but will post the template asap, so you can take a look. On Wednesday, October 1, 2014, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Could we get one of the Cambium people who watch this list to copy/paste a full (numeric) snmpwalk from an ePMP? I'm curious to see what OIDs it exposes and what format it returns the data in. Need to figure out how much data massaging will be necessary via Cacti CDEF (RPN!) to chart an ePMP in a useful fashion. On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: They mentioned that in Albany. It was mentioned along the lines of, I have no idea why our product doesn't already do that. I don't recall whether they said it was on the roadmap or not. Not that kind of compatibility. What I'm thinking of is where I could replace an existing 802.11 AP with an ePMP AP, and have existing 802.11 clients connect without having to do a truck roll to every client. At least not right away. bp On 10/1/2014 9:57 AM, SmarterBroadband via Af wrote: At the ePMP training day I went on they said FSK sync compatibility was high on there list. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 9:44 AM To: af@afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Mailing List Behavior
Mail list gripe.. The other thing I dont like is the threading of the subject lines. Seems a thread is started but when replies come in they are placed on a separate thread and sometimes forked. Very messy and some mails lost in translation. my 2cents On 10/31/2014 10:15 AM, tcidan via Af wrote: Since the change to the new mailing list host, the From: header on messages shows af@afmug.com rather than the actual sender. I find this change to not be beneficial. --danp --
[AFMUG] OT: LED bulbs at home
Anyone using LED replacement bulbs in their house yet? Seems like a good idea for a couple lights I have that burn 24/7, but at $20/bulb and the CFL debacle, I want to get this right the first time. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___
Re: [AFMUG] OT: LED bulbs at home
I've had good luck with Cree (no failures yet). They are under $10 typically for a 60w. -Hal On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Tyler Treat via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Anyone using LED replacement bulbs in their house yet? Seems like a good idea for a couple lights I have that burn 24/7, but at $20/bulb and the CFL debacle, I want to get this right the first time. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ -- Harold Bledsoe
Re: [AFMUG] OT: LED bulbs at home
I've been replacing cf bulbs with the Cree led bulbs for about a year now. Great bulbs, no failures yet. One challenge with all of these devices is heat buildup in the fixture. Enclosed or vertical fixtures trap the heat from the electronics, causing the bulb temperature to rise, causing premature failure. This is typically the cause of cf early failure. Haven't seen this yet with led bulbs. On Nov 2, 2014 2:02 PM, Harold Bledsoe via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I've had good luck with Cree (no failures yet). They are under $10 typically for a 60w. -Hal On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Tyler Treat via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Anyone using LED replacement bulbs in their house yet? Seems like a good idea for a couple lights I have that burn 24/7, but at $20/bulb and the CFL debacle, I want to get this right the first time. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ -- Harold Bledsoe
Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance
Why would you pull half of the spark plugs on a Ferrari? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:03:18 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance I wonder how the performance of the Mimosa 256QAM product will compare in a 20 MHz wide, TDD channel when used with the same antennas, head-to-head against the Mikrotik board. In a scenario not using any of the special frequency auto selecting features of the Mimosa/Quantenna chipset. I have in mind a setup with a pair of the Jirous 32dB high performance type antennas with a metal enclosure on the rear. On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 6:53 AM, Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: The Sextant did not work for us at all. The QRT-5 has a quite good Antenna for it’s size. But you cant upgrade/repair them as they use special screws you cant open without damaging them. The Mars-Antennas have a metal housing so there is some shielding to the back. We don’t like the outdoor-pigtails/connectors as with the rocket / ePMP-Force / ePMP Sectors. Just one Ethernet leaving the housing to the bottom is the solution we see the least problems. Von: Af [mailto: af-bounces+ste = genias@afmug.com ] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett via Af Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. September 2014 15:40 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance I remember when they announced their new high gain CPE the Sextant... which was still smaller than the smallest CPE I used. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Glen Waldrop via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:37:54 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance I can't get over the small gain MT uses. It also bugs me that the FCC seems to be all about massive amps and small antennas rather than the reverse. If it was actually about interference PTP shots with narrow beamwidth is preferred. I suppose it is too much to ask for those in our government that set the regulations to actually understand the tech they're regulating. I suppose it could be the manufacturers are going with big amps and small antennas, but it seems that would cost more. blockquote - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance The SXT antenna were always too weak. Give me 25 dBi or give me death. Well, okay, I don't feel that strongly. I just won't buy it if not. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:30:07 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance We’re starting the move to .ac with MT now. The 922UAGS-5HPacD has the same dimensions as the 911/411 Boards so we just replace boards. We get good results with Mars Antennas with housing for P2P. The SXT-Antennas are to weak for .ac. The 19db Mars Antennas give good CPE/short range PTP with a small footprint. We use these as Sector-Antennas where we have to cover small areas. The .ac firmware adaption is quite new but we see stable results in the 300-400 Mbit/s range for short links. The .ac boards have faster CPUs so they may increase 11n-Speeds/NAT Performance. The 922-Board has a SFP. Ethernetport has moved. Due to this the RFElements Stationbox XL do not fit. MT .ac does PTP and PTMP and is downward compatible to older boards with 11n/a. SXTs with .ac are not stable with the latest sw-release. So as always with MT you’ve to betatest HW/FW-combination to get it running smooth. Von: Af [ mailto:af-bounces+ste=genias@afmug.com ] Im Auftrag von Rory Conaway via Af Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. September 2014 14:26 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance Ya, I don’t’ think so. If you use Ubiquiti you pretty much know what works and what doesn’t. in reality, you use as few custom features as possible outside 802.11 compatibility and limit the radios to Layer 2 bridges or nothing more than NAT whenever possible. Try not to use any of the customer features although AirMax seems to be working pretty well. You just don’t want to add anything that adds to processor overhead on an AP for Rocket M5’s if you have a higher density. When the Titanium’s tanked a couple years ago, there was a huge hole in any kind of AP product with the ability to handle density due to the processor but nobody filled it. It still hasn’t been filled to my satisfaction meaning we aren’t replacing Rocket 5M’s any time soon and we are keeping them at 50 users or less for another few months. However, NetFlix and video streaming means we are pushing that
Re: [AFMUG] OT: LED bulbs at home
My limited experience is they may be brighter than you expect for the wattage, even the smallest bulbs put out a lot of light. Also the color is like a bright sunny day. So I'd buy a few to try before buying a ton of them, you might actually end up going down in wattage. I know someone who installed LED high bay fixtures in his warehouse area and you feel like you need sunglasses. It's like a cloudless summer day on a white sand beach. I see they have LED Christmas lights too. -Original Message- From: Bill Prince via Af Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 3:36 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: LED bulbs at home We've been slowly replacing bulbs all over the house with LEDs. We have the globe style of bulbs in a couple of the bathrooms. The LED versions are much nicer; better colors, instant on, and they should last the rest of my life. We also recently replaced a couple of recessed florescent fixtures in the kitchen with six recessed (can-type) LED lights. The flourescents always gave the kitchen a kind of green tinge, and the combined power consumption was ~~ 160 watts. With the LEDs the color is more human, the combined power consumption is ~~ 54 watts (6 * 9 watts), total light output seems to be twice what we had before, they come on right now, AND we can now dim the lights for even lower power consumption. We've replaced the florescent lights (in the kitchen) at least twice in the years we've lived here, and I expect the LEDs will go the duration. Our outdoor lights are also slowly switching over. Way less power. bp On 11/2/2014 1:00 PM, Tyler Treat via Af wrote: Anyone using LED replacement bulbs in their house yet? Seems like a good idea for a couple lights I have that burn 24/7, but at $20/bulb and the CFL debacle, I want to get this right the first time. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___
Re: [AFMUG] OT: LED bulbs at home
Don't go too cold temperature wise with them. I've had pretty good luck in commercial locations, doing a bathroom renovation at my house and using them as well - they're great if you get the high quality units (no eBay cheapies). On Sunday, November 2, 2014, Tyler Treat via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I suspect that as well. Plus all the different colors. Will take some experimenting to find out what works... :-/ ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com javascript:; ___ On Nov 2, 2014, at 3:44 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com javascript:; wrote: My limited experience is they may be brighter than you expect for the wattage, even the smallest bulbs put out a lot of light. Also the color is like a bright sunny day. So I'd buy a few to try before buying a ton of them, you might actually end up going down in wattage. I know someone who installed LED high bay fixtures in his warehouse area and you feel like you need sunglasses. It's like a cloudless summer day on a white sand beach. I see they have LED Christmas lights too. -Original Message- From: Bill Prince via Af Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 3:36 PM To: af@afmug.com javascript:; Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: LED bulbs at home We've been slowly replacing bulbs all over the house with LEDs. We have the globe style of bulbs in a couple of the bathrooms. The LED versions are much nicer; better colors, instant on, and they should last the rest of my life. We also recently replaced a couple of recessed florescent fixtures in the kitchen with six recessed (can-type) LED lights. The flourescents always gave the kitchen a kind of green tinge, and the combined power consumption was ~~ 160 watts. With the LEDs the color is more human, the combined power consumption is ~~ 54 watts (6 * 9 watts), total light output seems to be twice what we had before, they come on right now, AND we can now dim the lights for even lower power consumption. We've replaced the florescent lights (in the kitchen) at least twice in the years we've lived here, and I expect the LEDs will go the duration. Our outdoor lights are also slowly switching over. Way less power. bp On 11/2/2014 1:00 PM, Tyler Treat via Af wrote: Anyone using LED replacement bulbs in their house yet? Seems like a good idea for a couple lights I have that burn 24/7, but at $20/bulb and the CFL debacle, I want to get this right the first time. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com javascript:; ___
Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance
Because in an urban environment frequently the widest available clean channel you can find is a single 20 MHz of spectrum between two locations. All of the FDD-like features of the Mimosa radio are useless if one of the channels you want to use has a -82 noise floor. Very different use scenario for city vs. rural. On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Why would you pull half of the spark plugs on a Ferrari? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:03:18 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance I wonder how the performance of the Mimosa 256QAM product will compare in a 20 MHz wide, TDD channel when used with the same antennas, head-to-head against the Mikrotik board. In a scenario not using any of the special frequency auto selecting features of the Mimosa/Quantenna chipset. I have in mind a setup with a pair of the Jirous 32dB high performance type antennas with a metal enclosure on the rear. On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 6:53 AM, Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: The Sextant did not work for us at all. The QRT-5 has a quite good Antenna for it’s size. But you cant upgrade/repair them as they use special screws you cant open without damaging them. The Mars-Antennas have a metal housing so there is some shielding to the back. We don’t like the outdoor-pigtails/connectors as with the rocket / ePMP-Force / ePMP Sectors. Just one Ethernet leaving the housing to the bottom is the solution we see the least problems. *Von:* Af [mailto:af-bounces+ste=genias@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Mike Hammett via Af *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 24. September 2014 15:40 *An:* af@afmug.com *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance I remember when they announced their new high gain CPE the Sextant... which was still smaller than the smallest CPE I used. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Glen Waldrop via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:37:54 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance I can't get over the small gain MT uses. It also bugs me that the FCC seems to be all about massive amps and small antennas rather than the reverse. If it was actually about interference PTP shots with narrow beamwidth is preferred. I suppose it is too much to ask for those in our government that set the regulations to actually understand the tech they're regulating. I suppose it could be the manufacturers are going with big amps and small antennas, but it seems that would cost more. - Original Message - *From:* Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com *To:* af@afmug.com *Sent:* Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:33 AM *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance The SXT antenna were always too weak. Give me 25 dBi or give me death. Well, okay, I don't feel that strongly. I just won't buy it if not. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:30:07 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance We’re starting the move to .ac with MT now. The 922UAGS-5HPacD has the same dimensions as the 911/411 Boards so we just replace boards. We get good results with Mars Antennas with housing for P2P. The SXT-Antennas are to weak for .ac. The 19db Mars Antennas give good CPE/short range PTP with a small footprint. We use these as Sector-Antennas where we have to cover small areas. The .ac firmware adaption is quite new but we see stable results in the 300-400 Mbit/s range for short links. The .ac boards have faster CPUs so they may increase 11n-Speeds/NAT Performance. The 922-Board has a SFP. Ethernetport has moved. Due to this the RFElements Stationbox XL do not fit. MT .ac does PTP and PTMP and is downward compatible to older boards with 11n/a. SXTs with .ac are not stable with the latest sw-release. So as always with MT you’ve to betatest HW/FW-combination to get it running smooth. *Von:* Af [mailto:af-bounces+ste=genias@afmug.com af-bounces+ste=genias@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Rory Conaway via Af *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 24. September 2014 14:26 *An:* af@afmug.com *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance Ya, I don’t’ think so. If you use Ubiquiti you pretty much know what works and what doesn’t. in reality, you use as few custom features as possible
Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance
You wouldn't, since it would cease to run :-) On Sunday, November 2, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Why would you pull half of the spark plugs on a Ferrari? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *To: *af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Sent: *Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:03:18 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance I wonder how the performance of the Mimosa 256QAM product will compare in a 20 MHz wide, TDD channel when used with the same antennas, head-to-head against the Mikrotik board. In a scenario not using any of the special frequency auto selecting features of the Mimosa/Quantenna chipset. I have in mind a setup with a pair of the Jirous 32dB high performance type antennas with a metal enclosure on the rear. On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 6:53 AM, Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: The Sextant did not work for us at all. The QRT-5 has a quite good Antenna for it’s size. But you cant upgrade/repair them as they use special screws you cant open without damaging them. The Mars-Antennas have a metal housing so there is some shielding to the back. We don’t like the outdoor-pigtails/connectors as with the rocket / ePMP-Force / ePMP Sectors. Just one Ethernet leaving the housing to the bottom is the solution we see the least problems. *Von:* Af [mailto:af-bounces+ste javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-bounces%2Bste');=genias@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','genias@afmug.com');] *Im Auftrag von *Mike Hammett via Af *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 24. September 2014 15:40 *An:* af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance I remember when they announced their new high gain CPE the Sextant... which was still smaller than the smallest CPE I used. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Glen Waldrop via Af af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *To: *af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Sent: *Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:37:54 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance I can't get over the small gain MT uses. It also bugs me that the FCC seems to be all about massive amps and small antennas rather than the reverse. If it was actually about interference PTP shots with narrow beamwidth is preferred. I suppose it is too much to ask for those in our government that set the regulations to actually understand the tech they're regulating. I suppose it could be the manufacturers are going with big amps and small antennas, but it seems that would cost more. - Original Message - *From:* Mike Hammett via Af javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *To:* af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Sent:* Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:33 AM *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance The SXT antenna were always too weak. Give me 25 dBi or give me death. Well, okay, I don't feel that strongly. I just won't buy it if not. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *To: *af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Sent: *Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:30:07 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance We’re starting the move to .ac with MT now. The 922UAGS-5HPacD has the same dimensions as the 911/411 Boards so we just replace boards. We get good results with Mars Antennas with housing for P2P. The SXT-Antennas are to weak for .ac. The 19db Mars Antennas give good CPE/short range PTP with a small footprint. We use these as Sector-Antennas where we have to cover small areas. The .ac firmware adaption is quite new but we see stable results in the 300-400 Mbit/s range for short links. The .ac boards have faster CPUs so they may increase 11n-Speeds/NAT Performance. The 922-Board has a SFP. Ethernetport has moved. Due to this the RFElements Stationbox XL do not fit. MT .ac does PTP and PTMP and is downward compatible to older boards with 11n/a. SXTs with .ac are not stable with the latest sw-release. So as always with MT you’ve to betatest HW/FW-combination to get it running smooth. *Von:* Af [mailto:af-bounces+ste=genias@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-bounces%2bste%5cx3dgenias@afmug.com');] *Im Auftrag von
Re: [AFMUG] OT: LED bulbs at home
I've been very happy the the CREE bulbs for table and desk lamps. We also got six of the flood bulbs for recessed cans in the living room, can't remember the brand. They have great color and a ton of light. However one has failed already after about a year, appears to be due to overheating (discolored plastic). It is under warranty but I would be careful using any of these in enclosed fixtures and save your reciept. On Nov 2, 2014 4:36 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We've been slowly replacing bulbs all over the house with LEDs. We have the globe style of bulbs in a couple of the bathrooms. The LED versions are much nicer; better colors, instant on, and they should last the rest of my life. We also recently replaced a couple of recessed florescent fixtures in the kitchen with six recessed (can-type) LED lights. The flourescents always gave the kitchen a kind of green tinge, and the combined power consumption was ~~ 160 watts. With the LEDs the color is more human, the combined power consumption is ~~ 54 watts (6 * 9 watts), total light output seems to be twice what we had before, they come on right now, AND we can now dim the lights for even lower power consumption. We've replaced the florescent lights (in the kitchen) at least twice in the years we've lived here, and I expect the LEDs will go the duration. Our outdoor lights are also slowly switching over. Way less power. bp On 11/2/2014 1:00 PM, Tyler Treat via Af wrote: Anyone using LED replacement bulbs in their house yet? Seems like a good idea for a couple lights I have that burn 24/7, but at $20/bulb and the CFL debacle, I want to get this right the first time. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___
Re: [AFMUG] OT: LED bulbs at home
Menards has some good deals on the LED inserts for can lights right now. It's an enclosed / integrated LED light and trim, so I'd think it would be less susceptible to overheating. -Jason On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Chris Fabien via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I've been very happy the the CREE bulbs for table and desk lamps. We also got six of the flood bulbs for recessed cans in the living room, can't remember the brand. They have great color and a ton of light. However one has failed already after about a year, appears to be due to overheating (discolored plastic). It is under warranty but I would be careful using any of these in enclosed fixtures and save your reciept. On Nov 2, 2014 4:36 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We've been slowly replacing bulbs all over the house with LEDs. We have the globe style of bulbs in a couple of the bathrooms. The LED versions are much nicer; better colors, instant on, and they should last the rest of my life. We also recently replaced a couple of recessed florescent fixtures in the kitchen with six recessed (can-type) LED lights. The flourescents always gave the kitchen a kind of green tinge, and the combined power consumption was ~~ 160 watts. With the LEDs the color is more human, the combined power consumption is ~~ 54 watts (6 * 9 watts), total light output seems to be twice what we had before, they come on right now, AND we can now dim the lights for even lower power consumption. We've replaced the florescent lights (in the kitchen) at least twice in the years we've lived here, and I expect the LEDs will go the duration. Our outdoor lights are also slowly switching over. Way less power. bp On 11/2/2014 1:00 PM, Tyler Treat via Af wrote: Anyone using LED replacement bulbs in their house yet? Seems like a good idea for a couple lights I have that burn 24/7, but at $20/bulb and the CFL debacle, I want to get this right the first time. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___
Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance
I operate in suburban Chicago and touch at least 12 WISPs across my footprint. I've seen noise. One site has a -75 noise floor on my sectors (it actually even goes up to -50 once we go above 5850). I'd imagine doing anything other than their auto-everything will cripple your experience, especially the simultaneous DFS channels. Might as well get Mikrotik or Ubiquiti at that point. Might want to step up the dish size or quality. Check out Jirous dishes. They've given me some excellent SNR. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, November 2, 2014 4:01:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance Because in an urban environment frequently the widest available clean channel you can find is a single 20 MHz of spectrum between two locations. All of the FDD-like features of the Mimosa radio are useless if one of the channels you want to use has a -82 noise floor. Very different use scenario for city vs. rural. On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Why would you pull half of the spark plugs on a Ferrari? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:03:18 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance I wonder how the performance of the Mimosa 256QAM product will compare in a 20 MHz wide, TDD channel when used with the same antennas, head-to-head against the Mikrotik board. In a scenario not using any of the special frequency auto selecting features of the Mimosa/Quantenna chipset. I have in mind a setup with a pair of the Jirous 32dB high performance type antennas with a metal enclosure on the rear. On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 6:53 AM, Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote The Sextant did not work for us at all. The QRT-5 has a quite good Antenna for it’s size. But you cant upgrade/repair them as they use special screws you cant open without damaging them. The Mars-Antennas have a metal housing so there is some shielding to the back. We don’t like the outdoor-pigtails/connectors as with the rocket / ePMP-Force / ePMP Sectors. Just one Ethernet leaving the housing to the bottom is the solution we see the least problems. Von: Af [mailto: af-bounces+ste = genias@afmug.com ] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett via Af Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. September 2014 15:40 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance I remember when they announced their new high gain CPE the Sextant... which was still smaller than the smallest CPE I used. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Glen Waldrop via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:37:54 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance I can't get over the small gain MT uses. It also bugs me that the FCC seems to be all about massive amps and small antennas rather than the reverse. If it was actually about interference PTP shots with narrow beamwidth is preferred. I suppose it is too much to ask for those in our government that set the regulations to actually understand the tech they're regulating. I suppose it could be the manufacturers are going with big amps and small antennas, but it seems that would cost more. blockquote - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance The SXT antenna were always too weak. Give me 25 dBi or give me death. Well, okay, I don't feel that strongly. I just won't buy it if not. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:30:07 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance We’re starting the move to .ac with MT now. The 922UAGS-5HPacD has the same dimensions as the 911/411 Boards so we just replace boards. We get good results with Mars Antennas with housing for P2P. The SXT-Antennas are to weak for .ac. The 19db Mars Antennas give good CPE/short range PTP with a small footprint. We use these as Sector-Antennas where we have to cover small areas. The .ac firmware adaption is quite new but we see stable results in the 300-400 Mbit/s range for short links. The .ac boards have faster CPUs so they may increase 11n-Speeds/NAT Performance. The 922-Board has a SFP. Ethernetport has moved. Due to this the RFElements Stationbox XL do not fit. MT .ac does PTP and PTMP and is downward compatible to older boards with 11n/a. SXTs with .ac are not stable with the latest sw-release. So as always with MT you’ve to
Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance
Relative to a Rocket M5AC PTP setup, or Mikrotik 802.11ac boards good quality dishes (Jirous 32dB high performance), it is more expensive. However, as a 256QAM radio when compared to a PTP600 or PTP650 connectorized, it's much less expensive. I guess the question cannot really be answered yet, since the people who are beta testing MIMOSA radios are still under NDA. When they're available to purchase we'll know how they perform in a fixed TDD channel vs. much less expensive competing radios. On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I operate in suburban Chicago and touch at least 12 WISPs across my footprint. I've seen noise. One site has a -75 noise floor on my sectors (it actually even goes up to -50 once we go above 5850). I'd imagine doing anything other than their auto-everything will cripple your experience, especially the simultaneous DFS channels. Might as well get Mikrotik or Ubiquiti at that point. Might want to step up the dish size or quality. Check out Jirous dishes. They've given me some excellent SNR. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Sunday, November 2, 2014 4:01:42 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance Because in an urban environment frequently the widest available clean channel you can find is a single 20 MHz of spectrum between two locations. All of the FDD-like features of the Mimosa radio are useless if one of the channels you want to use has a -82 noise floor. Very different use scenario for city vs. rural. On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Why would you pull half of the spark plugs on a Ferrari? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:03:18 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance I wonder how the performance of the Mimosa 256QAM product will compare in a 20 MHz wide, TDD channel when used with the same antennas, head-to-head against the Mikrotik board. In a scenario not using any of the special frequency auto selecting features of the Mimosa/Quantenna chipset. I have in mind a setup with a pair of the Jirous 32dB high performance type antennas with a metal enclosure on the rear. On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 6:53 AM, Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: The Sextant did not work for us at all. The QRT-5 has a quite good Antenna for it’s size. But you cant upgrade/repair them as they use special screws you cant open without damaging them. The Mars-Antennas have a metal housing so there is some shielding to the back. We don’t like the outdoor-pigtails/connectors as with the rocket / ePMP-Force / ePMP Sectors. Just one Ethernet leaving the housing to the bottom is the solution we see the least problems. *Von:* Af [mailto:af-bounces+ste=genias@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Mike Hammett via Af *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 24. September 2014 15:40 *An:* af@afmug.com *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance I remember when they announced their new high gain CPE the Sextant... which was still smaller than the smallest CPE I used. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Glen Waldrop via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:37:54 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance I can't get over the small gain MT uses. It also bugs me that the FCC seems to be all about massive amps and small antennas rather than the reverse. If it was actually about interference PTP shots with narrow beamwidth is preferred. I suppose it is too much to ask for those in our government that set the regulations to actually understand the tech they're regulating. I suppose it could be the manufacturers are going with big amps and small antennas, but it seems that would cost more. - Original Message - *From:* Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com *To:* af@afmug.com *Sent:* Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:33 AM *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance The SXT antenna were always too weak. Give me 25 dBi or give me death. Well, okay, I don't feel that strongly. I just won't buy it if not. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance
If you don’t need a wide channel, it’s not clear you should use a wide channel. People tend to forget that both the external interference and the receiver noise floor go up as the channel width increases. I see this all the time with home routers. People get talked into a $200 AC router and setting them up for the widest channel possible to get the highest speed and range. And of course using 5 GHz and trying to go through multiple walls. And they end up with terrible performance, and would be better off with a 20 MHz channel, and putting their portable devices on 2.4 GHz and reserving 5 GHz for video devices in the same room with the router. 256QAM and 80 or 160 MHz channels can work against each other. In many cases it’s one or the other, not both. But in a perfect world ... From: Eric Kuhnke via Af Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 4:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance Relative to a Rocket M5AC PTP setup, or Mikrotik 802.11ac boards good quality dishes (Jirous 32dB high performance), it is more expensive. However, as a 256QAM radio when compared to a PTP600 or PTP650 connectorized, it's much less expensive. I guess the question cannot really be answered yet, since the people who are beta testing MIMOSA radios are still under NDA. When they're available to purchase we'll know how they perform in a fixed TDD channel vs. much less expensive competing radios. On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I operate in suburban Chicago and touch at least 12 WISPs across my footprint. I've seen noise. One site has a -75 noise floor on my sectors (it actually even goes up to -50 once we go above 5850). I'd imagine doing anything other than their auto-everything will cripple your experience, especially the simultaneous DFS channels. Might as well get Mikrotik or Ubiquiti at that point. Might want to step up the dish size or quality. Check out Jirous dishes. They've given me some excellent SNR. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, November 2, 2014 4:01:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance Because in an urban environment frequently the widest available clean channel you can find is a single 20 MHz of spectrum between two locations. All of the FDD-like features of the Mimosa radio are useless if one of the channels you want to use has a -82 noise floor. Very different use scenario for city vs. rural. On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Why would you pull half of the spark plugs on a Ferrari? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:03:18 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance I wonder how the performance of the Mimosa 256QAM product will compare in a 20 MHz wide, TDD channel when used with the same antennas, head-to-head against the Mikrotik board. In a scenario not using any of the special frequency auto selecting features of the Mimosa/Quantenna chipset. I have in mind a setup with a pair of the Jirous 32dB high performance type antennas with a metal enclosure on the rear. On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 6:53 AM, Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: The Sextant did not work for us at all. The QRT-5 has a quite good Antenna for it’s size. But you cant upgrade/repair them as they use special screws you cant open without damaging them. The Mars-Antennas have a metal housing so there is some shielding to the back. We don’t like the outdoor-pigtails/connectors as with the rocket / ePMP-Force / ePMP Sectors. Just one Ethernet leaving the housing to the bottom is the solution we see the least problems. Von: Af [mailto:af-bounces+ste=genias@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett via Af Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. September 2014 15:40 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance I remember when they announced their new high gain CPE the Sextant... which was still smaller than the smallest CPE I used. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Glen Waldrop via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:37:54 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance I can't get over the small gain MT uses. It also bugs me that the FCC seems to
Re: [AFMUG] OT: LED bulbs at home
I built LEDs into the ceiling of my family room when the house was built 5 years ago. Ceiling is up about 25 feet, never wanted to have to get up there. It will take scaffolding if it ever becomes necessary. Have changed out almost all the rest too as the CFLs have died. I have 10 kW of grid tie solar as well. Free air conditioning is nice indeed. Good luck with phillips flood style LEDs and CREE bulb types. Most of them are dimmable now, that was the case for the earlier units. Home depot has very nice prices. Some 60 watt equivalent for about $7.50. I actually had to pay a bit more to get 40 watt equivalent for the sconce lighting in my theater room. The first ones were too bright, even with the dimmer all the way down. Yes, by all means use LEDs. -Original Message- From: Tyler Treat via Af Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 2:00 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] OT: LED bulbs at home Anyone using LED replacement bulbs in their house yet? Seems like a good idea for a couple lights I have that burn 24/7, but at $20/bulb and the CFL debacle, I want to get this right the first time. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___
Re: [AFMUG] Accuracy of on cable foot markings
+1 on this we have actually complained enough about this the vendor that we usually buy most of our cable from give us an extra 20’. We have also refused 20k feet of fiber as the shipping company laid the spool on it’s side. Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com / http://www.race.com From: Mark Radabaugh via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Saturday, November 1, 2014 at 3:13 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Accuracy of on cable foot markings I would be willing to bet the cable markings are right, and that the operator/machine spooling the cable missed by 20' since they are looking at the measuring wheel/encoder rather than the cable markings. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: what's 20 feet amongst friends?!?! On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I just got some 5000' spools of Belden 7919a cable in, and looking at the cable foot markings from both ends of the cable, they're all about 20' short. When I get 1000' spools, they've always been spot on (as far as matching the cable markings) Is this just the discrepancy in the tolerance of the cable markings at that distance?
[AFMUG] SNMP auto discovery
For the guys who you linux based monitoring (Cacti, Zabbix, etc) do you have something setup where it can auto discover all new equipment on the network and know all of the correct OID's for each type of radio? Or is every single customer added manually??
Re: [AFMUG] Accuracy of on cable foot markings
Why can't you lay a fiber spool on its side? On Sunday, November 2, 2014, Carlos Alcantar via Af af@afmug.com wrote: +1 on this we have actually complained enough about this the vendor that we usually buy most of our cable from give us an extra 20’. We have also refused 20k feet of fiber as the shipping company laid the spool on it’s side. Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','car...@race.com'); / http://www.race.com From: Mark Radabaugh via Af af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Reply-To: af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Date: Saturday, November 1, 2014 at 3:13 PM To: af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Accuracy of on cable foot markings I would be willing to bet the cable markings are right, and that the operator/machine spooling the cable missed by 20' since they are looking at the measuring wheel/encoder rather than the cable markings. *Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID* Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: what's 20 feet amongst friends?!?! On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: I just got some 5000' spools of Belden 7919a cable in, and looking at the cable foot markings from both ends of the cable, they're all about 20' short. When I get 1000' spools, they've always been spot on (as far as matching the cable markings) Is this just the discrepancy in the tolerance of the cable markings at that distance? -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi
[AFMUG] Random Oberservation
How come my Nissan Leaf boots up faster than any computer I've ever had? That thing is ready to drive in like 5 seconds and it has multiple computers. Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net
Re: [AFMUG] Random Oberservation
As with any car when it is switched off, some of the Leaf’s 12-volt accessories continue to consume power. Everything from the alarm to the battery monitoring and telematics systems consume power when the Leaf is switched off. That allows many of the systems to 'boot' near instantaneously. On Nov 2, 2014 8:09 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: How come my Nissan Leaf boots up faster than any computer I’ve ever had? That thing is ready to drive in like 5 seconds and it has multiple computers. Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net
Re: [AFMUG] Random Oberservation
Ram is a beautiful thing. Sent while mobile On Nov 2, 2014, at 6:09 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: How come my Nissan Leaf boots up faster than any computer I’ve ever had? That thing is ready to drive in like 5 seconds and it has multiple computers. Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net
Re: [AFMUG] Accuracy of on cable foot markings
Never lay any reel of cable on its side. The layers and the reel ends will slip and shift and compress. You can have crushing and abrasions, especially when a layer comes to the end and is up against the reel end. We always refuse any reel that comes in on its side. This a a very long time telco industry standard. From: Darin Steffl via Af Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 7:06 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Accuracy of on cable foot markings Why can't you lay a fiber spool on its side? On Sunday, November 2, 2014, Carlos Alcantar via Af af@afmug.com wrote: +1 on this we have actually complained enough about this the vendor that we usually buy most of our cable from give us an extra 20’. We have also refused 20k feet of fiber as the shipping company laid the spool on it’s side. Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','car...@race.com'); / http://www.race.com From: Mark Radabaugh via Af javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Reply-To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Date: Saturday, November 1, 2014 at 3:13 PM To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Accuracy of on cable foot markings I would be willing to bet the cable markings are right, and that the operator/machine spooling the cable missed by 20' since they are looking at the measuring wheel/encoder rather than the cable markings. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID Sean Heskett via Af javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: what's 20 feet amongst friends?!?! On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Nate Burke via Af javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: I just got some 5000' spools of Belden 7919a cable in, and looking at the cable foot markings from both ends of the cable, they're all about 20' short. When I get 1000' spools, they've always been spot on (as far as matching the cable markings) Is this just the discrepancy in the tolerance of the cable markings at that distance? -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi Like us on Facebook
Re: [AFMUG] OT: LED bulbs at home
The flood that failed on me was an ecosmart brand from Home Depot, FYI. I was just there today, and they had some on sale for under $5 a bulb. They also had some new 100W equivalent ones that would probably be great for a garage, shop or someplace else that needs a lot of light and maybe isn't heated, which was always a problem for CFLs. On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Tyler Treat via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Thanks for the insight, fellas! ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Nov 2, 2014, at 6:14 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I built LEDs into the ceiling of my family room when the house was built 5 years ago. Ceiling is up about 25 feet, never wanted to have to get up there. It will take scaffolding if it ever becomes necessary. Have changed out almost all the rest too as the CFLs have died. I have 10 kW of grid tie solar as well. Free air conditioning is nice indeed. Good luck with phillips flood style LEDs and CREE bulb types. Most of them are dimmable now, that was the case for the earlier units. Home depot has very nice prices. Some 60 watt equivalent for about $7.50. I actually had to pay a bit more to get 40 watt equivalent for the sconce lighting in my theater room. The first ones were too bright, even with the dimmer all the way down. Yes, by all means use LEDs. -Original Message- From: Tyler Treat via Af Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 2:00 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] OT: LED bulbs at home Anyone using LED replacement bulbs in their house yet? Seems like a good idea for a couple lights I have that burn 24/7, but at $20/bulb and the CFL debacle, I want to get this right the first time. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___
Re: [AFMUG] Accuracy of on cable foot markings
No te aguantas Chuck. Lol Jaime Solorza On Nov 2, 2014 9:29 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Was it cold... *From:* Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 01, 2014 4:10 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Accuracy of on cable foot markings Shrinkage. Significant shrinkage. It’s common knowledge. *From:* Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 01, 2014 4:43 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Accuracy of on cable foot markings I was avoiding the much more sinister 'who's going to miss 1% of the cable at that distance' and when you do that with enough cable the beancounters get happy. Like the automakers marketing the new bubbly styling where there is no headroom as 'aerodynamic' but in reality they just get to save x sqft of steel per car by making the dimensions all smaller and rounded, but they still charge the same price. On 11/1/2014 4:33 PM, Sean Heskett via Af wrote: what's 20 feet amongst friends?!?! On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I just got some 5000' spools of Belden 7919a cable in, and looking at the cable foot markings from both ends of the cable, they're all about 20' short. When I get 1000' spools, they've always been spot on (as far as matching the cable markings) Is this just the discrepancy in the tolerance of the cable markings at that distance?
Re: [AFMUG] Random Oberservation
It’s the irony of it. I remember when Bill Gates was bragging about how great the auto industry if they innovated as fast as the computer industry. I should send him a video of my car booting up. At the same time, my car boots faster than my Samsung TV too. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Sunday, November 2, 2014 7:41 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random Oberservation Must be industrial grade computers running Linux...ducking Jaime Solorza How come my Nissan Leaf boots up faster than any computer I’ve ever had? That thing is ready to drive in like 5 seconds and it has multiple computers. Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net
Re: [AFMUG] OT: LED bulbs at home
I just replaced 3 Dusk-Dawn Dimable ouside fixtures from 100w incandescent to the 100w cree LED's. I'm only monitoring my Whole home Current, but it looks like it's saved about 1A draw in the overnight hours. The LED's are much brighter than the Incadecents were. Interestingly enough, I put them in my garage door opener, and the remotes stopped working. Took the bulbs back out and it's fine. Must be some sort of interference with the DC Power supply that close to the antenna. I've also changed the 5 Flourescent light fixtures in my garage from 2 bulb 40w tubes to just 1 18w LED Tube. They provide more light than the old bulbs. Last few bulbs I paid $12 each for off Ebay. At Home Depot look for the 'contractor discount' It's on some bulbs. I believe that if you buy 5 of the same SKU you get $5 off per bulb. I think the 60w Crees fell into that last time I was there. On 11/2/2014 8:31 PM, Chris Fabien via Af wrote: The flood that failed on me was an ecosmart brand from Home Depot, FYI. I was just there today, and they had some on sale for under $5 a bulb. They also had some new 100W equivalent ones that would probably be great for a garage, shop or someplace else that needs a lot of light and maybe isn't heated, which was always a problem for CFLs. On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Tyler Treat via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Thanks for the insight, fellas! ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Nov 2, 2014, at 6:14 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I built LEDs into the ceiling of my family room when the house was built 5 years ago. Ceiling is up about 25 feet, never wanted to have to get up there. It will take scaffolding if it ever becomes necessary. Have changed out almost all the rest too as the CFLs have died. I have 10 kW of grid tie solar as well. Free air conditioning is nice indeed. Good luck with phillips flood style LEDs and CREE bulb types. Most of them are dimmable now, that was the case for the earlier units. Home depot has very nice prices. Some 60 watt equivalent for about $7.50. I actually had to pay a bit more to get 40 watt equivalent for the sconce lighting in my theater room. The first ones were too bright, even with the dimmer all the way down. Yes, by all means use LEDs. -Original Message- From: Tyler Treat via Af Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 2:00 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] OT: LED bulbs at home Anyone using LED replacement bulbs in their house yet? Seems like a good idea for a couple lights I have that burn 24/7, but at $20/bulb and the CFL debacle, I want to get this right the first time. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___
Re: [AFMUG] Accuracy of on cable foot markings
tortuga asustada From: Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 8:42 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Accuracy of on cable foot markings No te aguantas Chuck. Lol Jaime Solorza On Nov 2, 2014 9:29 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Was it cold... From: Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2014 4:10 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Accuracy of on cable foot markings Shrinkage. Significant shrinkage. It’s common knowledge. From: Nate Burke via Af Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2014 4:43 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Accuracy of on cable foot markings I was avoiding the much more sinister 'who's going to miss 1% of the cable at that distance' and when you do that with enough cable the beancounters get happy. Like the automakers marketing the new bubbly styling where there is no headroom as 'aerodynamic' but in reality they just get to save x sqft of steel per car by making the dimensions all smaller and rounded, but they still charge the same price. On 11/1/2014 4:33 PM, Sean Heskett via Af wrote: what's 20 feet amongst friends?!?! On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I just got some 5000' spools of Belden 7919a cable in, and looking at the cable foot markings from both ends of the cable, they're all about 20' short. When I get 1000' spools, they've always been spot on (as far as matching the cable markings) Is this just the discrepancy in the tolerance of the cable markings at that distance?
Re: [AFMUG] Accuracy of on cable foot markings
Uh-oh. Other than the big Superior-Essex reels, I have them all stored that way. Stacked in fact. Otherwise they roll around. I guess I’ll have to change that. From: Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 8:24 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Accuracy of on cable foot markings Never lay any reel of cable on its side. The layers and the reel ends will slip and shift and compress. You can have crushing and abrasions, especially when a layer comes to the end and is up against the reel end. We always refuse any reel that comes in on its side. This a a very long time telco industry standard. From: Darin Steffl via Af Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 7:06 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Accuracy of on cable foot markings Why can't you lay a fiber spool on its side? On Sunday, November 2, 2014, Carlos Alcantar via Af af@afmug.com wrote: +1 on this we have actually complained enough about this the vendor that we usually buy most of our cable from give us an extra 20’. We have also refused 20k feet of fiber as the shipping company laid the spool on it’s side. Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','car...@race.com'); / http://www.race.com From: Mark Radabaugh via Af javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Reply-To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Date: Saturday, November 1, 2014 at 3:13 PM To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Accuracy of on cable foot markings I would be willing to bet the cable markings are right, and that the operator/machine spooling the cable missed by 20' since they are looking at the measuring wheel/encoder rather than the cable markings. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID Sean Heskett via Af javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: what's 20 feet amongst friends?!?! On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Nate Burke via Af javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: I just got some 5000' spools of Belden 7919a cable in, and looking at the cable foot markings from both ends of the cable, they're all about 20' short. When I get 1000' spools, they've always been spot on (as far as matching the cable markings) Is this just the discrepancy in the tolerance of the cable markings at that distance? -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi Like us on Facebook
Re: [AFMUG] Accuracy of on cable foot markings
Not as big of a deal with smaller reels. On Sunday, November 2, 2014, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Uh-oh. Other than the big Superior-Essex reels, I have them all stored that way. Stacked in fact. Otherwise they roll around. I guess I’ll have to change that. *From:* Chuck McCown via Af javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Sent:* Sunday, November 02, 2014 8:24 PM *To:* af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Accuracy of on cable foot markings Never lay any reel of cable on its side. The layers and the reel ends will slip and shift and compress. You can have crushing and abrasions, especially when a layer comes to the end and is up against the reel end. We always refuse any reel that comes in on its side. This a a very long time telco industry standard. *From:* Darin Steffl via Af javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Sent:* Sunday, November 02, 2014 7:06 PM *To:* af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Accuracy of on cable foot markings Why can't you lay a fiber spool on its side? On Sunday, November 2, 2014, Carlos Alcantar via Af af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: +1 on this we have actually complained enough about this the vendor that we usually buy most of our cable from give us an extra 20’. We have also refused 20k feet of fiber as the shipping company laid the spool on it’s side. Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','car...@race.com'); / http://www.race.com From: Mark Radabaugh via Af javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Reply-To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Date: Saturday, November 1, 2014 at 3:13 PM To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Accuracy of on cable foot markings I would be willing to bet the cable markings are right, and that the operator/machine spooling the cable missed by 20' since they are looking at the measuring wheel/encoder rather than the cable markings. *Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID* Sean Heskett via Af javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: what's 20 feet amongst friends?!?! On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Nate Burke via Af javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: I just got some 5000' spools of Belden 7919a cable in, and looking at the cable foot markings from both ends of the cable, they're all about 20' short. When I get 1000' spools, they've always been spot on (as far as matching the cable markings) Is this just the discrepancy in the tolerance of the cable markings at that distance? -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi
Re: [AFMUG] Random Oberservation
Because it's designed to. Having worked on software for an auto electronics supplier (electric assist steering) start-up time was a defined specification we had to meet, as I recall it was well under a second from ignition on to fully functional. The CPUs used in vehicles and the operating system we used was designed for the application so it was no problem to meed 1 second startup time. On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: How come my Nissan Leaf boots up faster than any computer I’ve ever had? That thing is ready to drive in like 5 seconds and it has multiple computers. Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net
Re: [AFMUG] OT: LED bulbs at home
Regarding the garage door opener interference, remember that LED bulbs have a switchmode power converter in the base, see for example http://www.nxp.com/documents/data_sheet/SSL21082T.pdf which gives the typical conversion frequency for that particular chip as 100 kHz. From: Nate Burke via Af Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 8:45 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: LED bulbs at home I just replaced 3 Dusk-Dawn Dimable ouside fixtures from 100w incandescent to the 100w cree LED's. I'm only monitoring my Whole home Current, but it looks like it's saved about 1A draw in the overnight hours. The LED's are much brighter than the Incadecents were. Interestingly enough, I put them in my garage door opener, and the remotes stopped working. Took the bulbs back out and it's fine. Must be some sort of interference with the DC Power supply that close to the antenna. I've also changed the 5 Flourescent light fixtures in my garage from 2 bulb 40w tubes to just 1 18w LED Tube. They provide more light than the old bulbs. Last few bulbs I paid $12 each for off Ebay. At Home Depot look for the 'contractor discount' It's on some bulbs. I believe that if you buy 5 of the same SKU you get $5 off per bulb. I think the 60w Crees fell into that last time I was there. On 11/2/2014 8:31 PM, Chris Fabien via Af wrote: The flood that failed on me was an ecosmart brand from Home Depot, FYI. I was just there today, and they had some on sale for under $5 a bulb. They also had some new 100W equivalent ones that would probably be great for a garage, shop or someplace else that needs a lot of light and maybe isn't heated, which was always a problem for CFLs. On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Tyler Treat via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Thanks for the insight, fellas! ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Nov 2, 2014, at 6:14 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I built LEDs into the ceiling of my family room when the house was built 5 years ago. Ceiling is up about 25 feet, never wanted to have to get up there. It will take scaffolding if it ever becomes necessary. Have changed out almost all the rest too as the CFLs have died. I have 10 kW of grid tie solar as well. Free air conditioning is nice indeed. Good luck with phillips flood style LEDs and CREE bulb types. Most of them are dimmable now, that was the case for the earlier units. Home depot has very nice prices. Some 60 watt equivalent for about $7.50. I actually had to pay a bit more to get 40 watt equivalent for the sconce lighting in my theater room. The first ones were too bright, even with the dimmer all the way down. Yes, by all means use LEDs. -Original Message- From: Tyler Treat via Af Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 2:00 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] OT: LED bulbs at home Anyone using LED replacement bulbs in their house yet? Seems like a good idea for a couple lights I have that burn 24/7, but at $20/bulb and the CFL debacle, I want to get this right the first time. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___
Re: [AFMUG] Accuracy of on cable foot markings
Wouldn't the weight of the cable have something to do with it as well? There's not as much weight with a cat5 vs a 144 armored fiber pushing on the cables below it. I guess if you have 50k of cat5 on an 8' spool, but I can't imagine there's enough weight with 5k to hurt anything. The whole spool is only like 150lbs On 11/2/2014 9:07 PM, Jason McKemie via Af wrote: Not as big of a deal with smaller reels. On Sunday, November 2, 2014, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Uh-oh. Other than the big Superior-Essex reels, I have them all stored that way. Stacked in fact. Otherwise they roll around. I guess I'll have to change that. *From:* Chuck McCown via Af javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Sent:* Sunday, November 02, 2014 8:24 PM *To:* af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Accuracy of on cable foot markings Never lay any reel of cable on its side. The layers and the reel ends will slip and shift and compress. You can have crushing and abrasions, especially when a layer comes to the end and is up against the reel end. We always refuse any reel that comes in on its side. This a a very long time telco industry standard. *From:* Darin Steffl via Af javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Sent:* Sunday, November 02, 2014 7:06 PM *To:* af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Accuracy of on cable foot markings Why can't you lay a fiber spool on its side? On Sunday, November 2, 2014, Carlos Alcantar via Af af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: +1 on this we have actually complained enough about this the vendor that we usually buy most of our cable from give us an extra 20'. We have also refused 20k feet of fiber as the shipping company laid the spool on it's side. Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','car...@race.com'); / http://www.race.com From: Mark Radabaugh via Af javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Reply-To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Date: Saturday, November 1, 2014 at 3:13 PM To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Accuracy of on cable foot markings I would be willing to bet the cable markings are right, and that the operator/machine spooling the cable missed by 20' since they are looking at the measuring wheel/encoder rather than the cable markings. /Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID/ Sean Heskett via Af javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: what's 20 feet amongst friends?!?! On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Nate Burke via Af javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: I just got some 5000' spools of Belden 7919a cable in, and looking at the cable foot markings from both ends of the cable, they're all about 20' short. When I get 1000' spools, they've always been spot on (as far as matching the cable markings) Is this just the discrepancy in the tolerance of the cable markings at that distance? -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com http://www.mnwifi.com/ 507-634-WiFi http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi
Re: [AFMUG] Random Oberservation
You joke, but one of our customers does a *lot* of systems design work for the auto industry. He runs his own company from homevia skype with 2-3 other developers. It's all linux. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 11/02/2014 05:41 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af wrote: Must be industrial grade computers running Linux...ducking Jaime Solorza How come my Nissan Leaf boots up faster than any computer I’ve ever had? That thing is ready to drive in like 5 seconds and it has multiple computers. Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 tel:602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net mailto:r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net http://www.triadwireless.net
