date:20141106

SAF logo, makes you think of Santa Clause.  AnimalFarm == Christmas!

From: Daniel White via Af 
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 7:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Toy

Very soon I hope.  With the holidays coming, I won’t be surprised if we are 
announcing it at Animal Farm (already signed up as a Platinum Sponsor!).

Saying the radio will be unique I think is an understatement :-D

 Daniel White | Managing Director

  SAF North America LLC

Cell:

(303) 746-3590

Skype:
   danieldwhite

E-mail:
   daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Keefe John via Af
Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 12:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Toy

is 11 ghz available yet?

On 11/5/2014 12:44 PM, Daniel White via Af wrote:

  Integra that is FCC certified and shipping now is 60MHz wide.

  Integra-W that supports 80MHz wide channels will go thru the process either 
later this month or more likely in December.

   Daniel White | Managing Director

SAF North America LLC

  Cell:

  (303) 746-3590

  Skype:
 danieldwhite

  E-mail:
 daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com 

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sam Lambie via Af
  Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 2:57 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Toy

  How wide is the channel for full throughput in the US?

  On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 6:41 AM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

Nice. Thx

Jaime Solorza

On Nov 4, 2014 6:37 AM, Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  With our ETSI power limits I should see up to 300Mbps (128QAM) both ways.

  At the moment I see „only“ 240 Mbps (64QAM). The polarisation is

  shown wrong. Signal is exactly as calculated. Talking to support now to 
wrench out

  some Mbps. In US I would see 470Mbps on this link.

  Latency as always 1ms. 

  Happy to move another link out of the 5GHz Band.

  Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Jaime Solorza via Af
  Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. November 2014 14:19
  An: Animal Farm
  Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] New Toy

  Cool. Curious to see much you can push through link. 

  Jaime Solorza

  On Nov 3, 2014 9:39 PM, Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

one mile

Von: Jay Weekley via Af
Gesendet: ‎Dienstag‎, ‎4‎. ‎November‎ ‎2014 ‎04‎:‎57
An: Jay Weekley via Af

Welcher Entfernung

Jaime Solorza
On Nov 3, 2014 12:17 PM, Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Integra 24GHz. Love it. Easy to mount. No need to crimp. Small 
profile.
 I will mount the second side tomorrow and see how it performs.

  -- 
  -- 
  Sam Lambie
  Taosnet Wireless Tech.
  575-758-7598 Office
  www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] New Cambium setup

2014-11-06 Thread Ben Royer via Af

One guy drives a Dodge, the other a Chevy... and the third guy a Hybrid 
they all make it to the bank to cash their check.  Everyone has their flavor, 
just thought I’d share that the site was out there because in my experience 
Cambium has become a new, better company since the Moto days.  I think they’ve 
moved greatly in the direction of being more communicative to customers, and 
receptive to new ideas, and I trust that this site will only help that 
progress.  Of course you can’t replace the AF list, but just like adding 
another tool to your tool box, it only makes sense for everyone to use their 
resources in this industry.

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

From: Ken Hohhof via Af 
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 7:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Cambium setup

Mike, you mean naming it community.domain.com?  Or making it attractive to hang 
out?

Why does it feel like Cambium=Microsoft and Ubiquiti=Apple?  And 
community.ubnt.com has kind of a white-on-white Apple look to it, while 
community.cambiumnetworks.com with the colored tiles has kind of a Microsoft 
look to it.

I am reminded of Stephen Colbert’s quip the other day that in 2 years, 
Microsoft’s CEO will come out as gay.


From: Mike Hammett via Af 
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 7:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Cambium setup

Like Ubiquiti?




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com







From: Matt Mangriotis via Af af@afmug.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 5:13:05 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Cambium setup


But we are trying to make it more attractive to hang out there J



We finally have a fully functional forum site with tons of information, direct 
feedback areas, discussions, knowledge base articles, and as Ben mentions an 
“Ideas” section… 



It just launched this week, so we’re just getting rolling, but we’re working 
hard to make that the “go to” place for all things Cambium Networks.



Please check it out if you haven’t yet.





http://community.cambiumnetworks.com



Matt



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 4:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Cambium setup



The manufacturer hangs out here.  



From: Ben Royer via Af 

Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 3:30 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: [AFMUG] New Cambium setup



Just wanted to follow up to that link I posted.  Pretty cool new site Cambium 
has now, I’ve been looking around on it.  The ‘Idea’ section I think could 
benefit a lot of us on here because the more new product ideas and/or changes 
they get the more influenced they may be to develop those ideas.  Just thought 
I’d mention it since I read a lot of good concepts and ideas on this list but 
now we at least have a means to direct those ideas straight to a manufacturer.



http://community.cambiumnetworks.com



Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

Re: [AFMUG] IP Camera Recommendations

video-insight?
What do the cameras cost?

What does the software cost?

From: Craig Schmaderer via Af 
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 6:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP Camera Recommendations

Videoinsight.com + their white label advidia.com cameras.  Best software out 
there.  Nuff said.  :)

On Nov 5, 2014, at 10:10 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  HiKvision has some new IP series with WDR and infrared built in

  Jaime Solorza

  On Nov 5, 2014 9:02 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

So are hkvision and hikvision one and the same? I'm seeing it advertised as 
both on eBay.

On Wednesday, November 5, 2014, Wireless Admin via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  Get mine on Ebay from China.

--

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie via Af
  Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 7:23 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP Camera Recommendations

  I remember them being brought up, who is a good reseller for their 
cameras?

  On Wednesday, November 5, 2014, Wireless Admin via Af af@afmug.com 
wrote:

  Hikvision does everything but auto-launch rockets. Now that I think about 
it, it could easily do that via it’s external relay control.

  Steve B.

--

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie via Af
  Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 4:25 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP Camera Recommendations

  3 and 4 are the kickers for me.

  On Wednesday, November 5, 2014, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  Ok what I hated about AV1:
  1) No management of disk usage (though it seemed to use 90% of the 
available space for video, which I admit is a reasonable default)
  2) Recordings shown in the web interface seemed to stay forever.  Or at 
least a listing of an available recording was shown, along with a little 
thumbnail image long past the point where the actual recording on disk was 
gone.  I never saw one go away without me deleting it.
  3) No good way to skim or search lots of video.  You had to click on each 
recording and watch it.if someone told you that the event you're looking 
for was sometime on tuesday that meant a lot of tedium.
  4) No bulk export:  You could export individual recordings, but if you 
wanted all the video from Tuesday afternoon it was not happening without 
exporting individual clips over and over again.
  5) No export to locally attached storage.  Couldn't burn to DVD, couldn't 
copy to USB disk.
  6) Oh yeahno full quality uncompressed export.
  7) Video not actually stored as videostored as still images with a 
database that kept a record of which images belonged to what video.  Which 
meant no (good) workaround to any of the export problems.

  The web interface was so amazing and beautiful that it distracted from 
the fact that some of the basic functions of a DVR were missing.  Since it was 
free I might have used it for something less critical, like monitoring my own 
house, but it was not good for actual security.

  Glad to hear the new version is better, maybe someday I'll try it.

Hard to believe that someone didn't like a Ubiquiti web system. That's 
what they do probably better than anyone else  unless he meant the backend 
of AV1...  which was terrible. Rewritten in AV2 and then rewritten again in 
AV3. Not really hearing any complaints about the new interface or new cameras. 
Well, nothing major.

Losing RSTP? I couldn't care less. They actually added it back in, but 
it's sourced from the server vs. the camera.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

From: josh--- via Af af@afmug.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 12:46:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP Camera Recommendations

We're on av3, aka unifi-video now

On November 5, 2014 9:38:16 AM AKST, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com 
wrote: 

UBNT took away RTSP in recent firmwareso I'm not sure if you can actually 
use them with anything other than Air Vision anymore.  I haven't tried 
AirVision2.   I also was not fond of AirVision, it sucked.  I know this has 
been hashed and re-hashed, but I'm wondering what  others are having luck with 
as far as IP cameras go.  I'm needing  something with night vision and decent 
resolution, under $200.  Are  the new Ubiquiti cameras worth looking at?  I 
wasn't terribly fond of  AirVision last time I used it, is BlueIris any better 
for use with  these? Other recommendations?  Thanks.  -Jason 
-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail.

Re: [AFMUG] New Cambium setup

2014-11-06 Thread Jaime Solorza via Af

Duh ..Pera came from.Apple.  (thats funny to the cognus scenti)  any way.
He invented or developed Airport series for Apple didnt he ?

Jaime Solorza
On Nov 5, 2014 9:10 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 IMO, comparing Ubiquiti to Apple is a bit insulting...to Ubiquiti. The way
 Ubiquiti does things seems so much more open source than Apple. They do
 have an obvious Apple influence though, especially from a marketing
 standpoint.

 As a side note, I used to be a huge Apple fan, back when they had the
 rainbow logo. The switch of that to a solid color pretty much coincided
 with their loss of cred in my eyes. It was a great thing for their bottom
 line though.

 On Wednesday, November 5, 2014, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  Well, there's the community.x.com

 Then there's the lithium backend, that UBNT is moving away from because
 it wasn't customizable enough.

 Forums, Knowledge Base, Stories section -- in the same order (granted,
 it's alphabetized...).

 Latest Topics / Latest Posts (same order), and the rest of the layout
 (again, lithium backend).

 I agree with the Apple/Microsoft look.. as well as their licensing methods
 (or lack of), and product design. Kind of funny actually once you put it in
 that light.


  Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
 SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com
  On 11/05/2014 04:43 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

  Mike, you mean naming it community.domain.com?  Or making it attractive
 to hang out?

 Why does it feel like Cambium=Microsoft and Ubiquiti=Apple?  And
 community.ubnt.com has kind of a white-on-white Apple look to it, while
 community.cambiumnetworks.com with the colored tiles has kind of a
 Microsoft look to it.

 I am reminded of Stephen Colbert’s quip the other day that in 2 years,
 Microsoft’s CEO will come out as gay.


  *From:* Mike Hammett via Af
 *Sent:* Wednesday, November 05, 2014 7:02 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New Cambium setup

  Like Ubiquiti?



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

  https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

  --
 *From: *Matt Mangriotis via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Wednesday, November 5, 2014 5:13:05 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] New Cambium setup

  But we are trying to make it more attractive to hang out there J



 We finally have a fully functional forum site with tons of information,
 direct feedback areas, discussions, knowledge base articles, and as Ben
 mentions an “Ideas” section…



 It just launched this week, so we’re just getting rolling, but we’re
 working hard to make that the “go to” place for all things Cambium Networks.



 Please check it out if you haven’t yet.





 http://community.cambiumnetworks.com



 Matt



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via
 Af
 *Sent:* Wednesday, November 05, 2014 4:46 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New Cambium setup



 The manufacturer hangs out here.



 *From:* Ben Royer via Af

 *Sent:* Wednesday, November 05, 2014 3:30 PM

 *To:* af@afmug.com

 *Subject:* [AFMUG] New Cambium setup



 Just wanted to follow up to that link I posted.  Pretty cool new site
 Cambium has now, I’ve been looking around on it.  The ‘Idea’ section I
 think could benefit a lot of us on here because the more new product ideas
 and/or changes they get the more influenced they may be to develop those
 ideas.  Just thought I’d mention it since I read a lot of good concepts and
 ideas on this list but now we at least have a means to direct those ideas
 straight to a manufacturer.



 http://community.cambiumnetworks.com



 Thank you,
 Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor
 Royell Communications, Inc.
 217-965-3699 www.royell.net

Re: [AFMUG] New Cambium setup

2014-11-06 Thread Jaime Solorza via Af

  Of course you can’t replace the AF list, ...  SO IT IS WRITTEN. SO IT
SHALL BE!All other lists are just wanna bes!!!LOL

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 7:19 AM, Ben Royer via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

   One guy drives a Dodge, the other a Chevy... and the third guy a
 Hybrid they all make it to the bank to cash their check.  Everyone has
 their flavor, just thought I’d share that the site was out there because in
 my experience Cambium has become a new, better company since the Moto
 days.  I think they’ve moved greatly in the direction of being more
 communicative to customers, and receptive to new ideas, and I trust that
 this site will only help that progress.  Of course you can’t replace the AF
 list, but just like adding another tool to your tool box, it only makes
 sense for everyone to use their resources in this industry.

 Thank you,
 Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor
 Royell Communications, Inc.
 217-965-3699 www.royell.net

  *From:* Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Wednesday, November 05, 2014 7:43 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New Cambium setup

   Mike, you mean naming it community.domain.com?  Or making it attractive
 to hang out?

 Why does it feel like Cambium=Microsoft and Ubiquiti=Apple?  And
 community.ubnt.com has kind of a white-on-white Apple look to it, while
 community.cambiumnetworks.com with the colored tiles has kind of a
 Microsoft look to it.

 I am reminded of Stephen Colbert’s quip the other day that in 2 years,
 Microsoft’s CEO will come out as gay.


  *From:* Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Wednesday, November 05, 2014 7:02 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New Cambium setup

  Like Ubiquiti?



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

 --
 *From: *Matt Mangriotis via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Wednesday, November 5, 2014 5:13:05 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] New Cambium setup

  But we are trying to make it more attractive to hang out there J



 We finally have a fully functional forum site with tons of information,
 direct feedback areas, discussions, knowledge base articles, and as Ben
 mentions an “Ideas” section…



 It just launched this week, so we’re just getting rolling, but we’re
 working hard to make that the “go to” place for all things Cambium Networks.



 Please check it out if you haven’t yet.





 http://community.cambiumnetworks.com



 Matt



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via
 Af
 *Sent:* Wednesday, November 05, 2014 4:46 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New Cambium setup



 The manufacturer hangs out here.



 *From:* Ben Royer via Af af@afmug.com

 *Sent:* Wednesday, November 05, 2014 3:30 PM

 *To:* af@afmug.com

 *Subject:* [AFMUG] New Cambium setup



 Just wanted to follow up to that link I posted.  Pretty cool new site
 Cambium has now, I’ve been looking around on it.  The ‘Idea’ section I
 think could benefit a lot of us on here because the more new product ideas
 and/or changes they get the more influenced they may be to develop those
 ideas.  Just thought I’d mention it since I read a lot of good concepts and
 ideas on this list but now we at least have a means to direct those ideas
 straight to a manufacturer.



 http://community.cambiumnetworks.com



 Thank you,
 Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor
 Royell Communications, Inc.
 217-965-3699 www.royell.net

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE vs 450 3.65GHZ

2014-11-06 Thread Matt via Af

If I have a great deal of interference in the the 3.65 band will LTE
or 450 do better against it?  Say the interference is mostly wimax?

[AFMUG] Internet for Old Folks

2014-11-06 Thread Nate Burke via Af

Looking for recommendations on a connection for 'Old Folks'  Who are 
extremely not technical (read parents).  The are in a semi-urban 
setting, but Comcast is their only wired internet option, no DSL, no 
Close WISPS's.  They're on the triple play now, but it's expensive for 
what they use.  They only watch the OTA Channels on their cable, and 
they turn the computer on maybe once per day to check email (and play 
solitaire).  They are not willing to give up a landline phone, as a 
cellphone has too many buttons (they got their flip phone stuck on 
speakerphone, and didn't know how to change it back)


I was hoping at maybe doing like a Verizon hotspot with their Home Voice 
Service via 4G, but that looks like it's almost $90/month. Any other 
cheaper solutions?  I would try to get them to go with an internet only 
comcast option and give them an ATA, but even those are $60+/mo after 
taxes.  And since they're already a customer, I'm not sure if they could 
navigate the Comcast scripts without getting sucked into another triple 
play deal.


From a few Animal Farms ago, there was the company that was selling 
white labeled Cellular connections.  Any WISPS here participate in that 
and can offer 'base station' type services?  Service is needed in 
Northwest Indiana.  I believe that all major carriers have good coverage 
at the location.

[AFMUG] Source for used Smart UPS XL

2014-11-06 Thread Josh Luthman via Af

Looking for another rack mountable unit and I want to throw in some bigger
batteries.  The old unit just doesn't have the battery capacity and I'm
afraid of asking too much of the little charger.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Cacti

2014-11-06 Thread Garrett Fosmark via Af

I have around 1800+ SMs on there

-Garrett

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott via Af
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 6:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cacti

What is are you running it on? It does make a difference.

ryan

--
D. Ryan Spott | Iron Goat Networks, llc
broadband | telco | colo | community
PO Box 1232 / 603 W. Stevens Sultan, WA 98284x-apple-data-detectors://0/0
360-799-0552tel:360-799-0552 | 
gtalk:rsp...@irongoat.netmailto:rsp...@irongoat.net

On Nov 4, 2014, at 09:38, Garrett Fosmark via Af 
af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote:
Is it just me or is cacti just unstable? It seems like at least once every two 
weeks devices will either disappear, the poller cache needs to be rebuilt or 
different ping methods need to be selected in order to get devices to start 
graphing again. That or graphs will say Nan for a day and then go back to 
normal.

-Garrett

Re: [AFMUG] Source for used Smart UPS XL

2014-11-06 Thread Josh Baird via Af

We buy from excessups.com and refurbups.com.  Call them to get your
pricing, it will be better than what is shown on their websites.

Josh

On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Looking for another rack mountable unit and I want to throw in some bigger
 batteries.  The old unit just doesn't have the battery capacity and I'm
 afraid of asking too much of the little charger.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Internet for Old Folks

2014-11-06 Thread Darin Steffl via Af

You can go prepaid hotspot for them. Straight talk has a 3G hotspot out
today but there's also some 4G LTE version at Walmart just coming out.  For
phone, get straight talk home phone which is about $17 after taxes.

Otherwise check the cell carriers for data only hotspot options. Sprint
does 3GB for $35 a month which I assume their usage would be very low.

On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 10:10 AM, Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Looking for recommendations on a connection for 'Old Folks'  Who are
 extremely not technical (read parents).  The are in a semi-urban setting,
 but Comcast is their only wired internet option, no DSL, no Close WISPS's.
 They're on the triple play now, but it's expensive for what they use.  They
 only watch the OTA Channels on their cable, and they turn the computer on
 maybe once per day to check email (and play solitaire).  They are not
 willing to give up a landline phone, as a cellphone has too many buttons
 (they got their flip phone stuck on speakerphone, and didn't know how to
 change it back)

 I was hoping at maybe doing like a Verizon hotspot with their Home Voice
 Service via 4G, but that looks like it's almost $90/month. Any other
 cheaper solutions?  I would try to get them to go with an internet only
 comcast option and give them an ATA, but even those are $60+/mo after
 taxes.  And since they're already a customer, I'm not sure if they could
 navigate the Comcast scripts without getting sucked into another triple
 play deal.

 From a few Animal Farms ago, there was the company that was selling white
 labeled Cellular connections.  Any WISPS here participate in that and can
 offer 'base station' type services?  Service is needed in Northwest
 Indiana.  I believe that all major carriers have good coverage at the
 location.





-- 
Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook
http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi

Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

Absolutely put a router in there instead of the switch.  Especially if 
they have any Apple devices (iphones, airports, Mac computers).  They 
have a nasty habit of opening connections, and never closing them.  I 
have watched them fill the NAT table in less than a half hour.


So if you are using NAT, at least limit directly-connected devices to a 
single router on the DMZ.  This will bypass the NAT table entirely.


Alternatively, switch the SM to bridge mode and put in a Mikrotik to 
manage the internal network.  We do this on selected accounts, and 
maintain the Mikrotik from our NOC.


bp

On 11/6/2014 12:53 AM, RioSat SL via Af wrote:

Hi All
When we have a large house and using PMP100 in nat mode we tend to put 
in a switch and then just cable routers to the switch giving each 
router a different static IP on the WAN and then DHCP on the lan 
normally with a different SSID and different channel but I have seen 
other articles where the set up is as cascading routers - what would 
you all recommend, should we change the way we are doing it ?

Kind regards
Kay
-- Original Message --
From: Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: 06-Nov-14 03:35:59
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

Yep. I saw it as well. Common in South America

Jaime Solorza

On Nov 5, 2014 7:16 PM, Caleb Knauer via Af af@afmug.com 
mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:


sarcastic comment on how that would require an air device to
have a working NMS/controller



On Wednesday, November 5, 2014, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com
mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:

If it is made by UBNT, then it would be the AirMeter.

bp

On 11/5/2014 1:43 PM, Caleb Knauer via Af wrote:

Hmmm, Chuck M is showing a lot of interest in smart
meters.  I'm
calling it right now:  UniMeter.  Cloud-based 900Mhz
meshed smart
meters.  I'll license you the use of that name for a
nominal fee.

On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Chuck Macenski via Af
af@afmug.com wrote:

In fact...the smart grid can help eliminate rolling
brownouts/blackouts by
carefully managing the power delivered to customers on
the end of the lines
by controlling the delivered voltage. Basically, these
meters give power
companies the ability to measure the voltage delivered
to meet the minimum
requirements at the end of each feed... Substation
transformers can then be
set to deliver lower voltage (= lower power usage)
thus avoiding
brownouts...of course, load control (turning off your
A/C) doesn't hurt
either.

Pre-smart grid, the main way the power company knew
about lines going down
(storms, trees, etc) was when they got a phone call.
These meters will tell
them where they have issues so they can route around
much much much faster;
other parts of the smart grid can allow power to be
rerouted from a control
panel rather than a power company truck and a guy with
an insulated stick
throwing a switch in the rain.

It is a fascinating topic...

Chuck

On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:48 AM, That One Guy via Af
af@afmug.com wrote:

The smartgrid does have the benefit off allowing
essential services to
stay up in the event of rolling black/brownouts

I watched a PBS show about the power situation
over in India or one of
those places, its crazy, people steal power left
and right just tying onto
the wires. The transformers are always catching
fire and people dump water
on them. As much as I hate US power companies, I
cant imagine living over
there. Linemen get beat up alot

You could tell the show was geared at it being a
humanitarian issue, these
poor people losing their power... how will they
survive, but the majority of
the background images were of people powering
consumer electronics... not a
justifiable theft IMHO... I did not know TV was a
basic human right

On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Chuck Macenski
via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:

Smart meters certainly can

[AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Any ideas of how to bond a wireless connection to a DSL connection for more 
bandwidth and redundancy?
I have control over both ends of both circuits.  Same IP space etc.  Just don’t 
know if there is a low cost solution that could be applied to only the 
customer’s end.

Re: [AFMUG] Internet for Old Folks

FreedomPOP? Republic Wireless? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com 
To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:10:16 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Internet for Old Folks 

Looking for recommendations on a connection for 'Old Folks' Who are 
extremely not technical (read parents). The are in a semi-urban 
setting, but Comcast is their only wired internet option, no DSL, no 
Close WISPS's. They're on the triple play now, but it's expensive for 
what they use. They only watch the OTA Channels on their cable, and 
they turn the computer on maybe once per day to check email (and play 
solitaire). They are not willing to give up a landline phone, as a 
cellphone has too many buttons (they got their flip phone stuck on 
speakerphone, and didn't know how to change it back) 

I was hoping at maybe doing like a Verizon hotspot with their Home Voice 
Service via 4G, but that looks like it's almost $90/month. Any other 
cheaper solutions? I would try to get them to go with an internet only 
comcast option and give them an ATA, but even those are $60+/mo after 
taxes. And since they're already a customer, I'm not sure if they could 
navigate the Comcast scripts without getting sucked into another triple 
play deal. 

From a few Animal Farms ago, there was the company that was selling 
white labeled Cellular connections. Any WISPS here participate in that 
and can offer 'base station' type services? Service is needed in 
Northwest Indiana. I believe that all major carriers have good coverage 
at the location.

Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Mikrotik. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:18:12 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding 




Any ideas of how to bond a wireless connection to a DSL connection for more 
bandwidth and redundancy? 
I have control over both ends of both circuits. Same IP space etc. Just don’t 
know if there is a low cost solution that could be applied to only the 
customer’s end.

Re: [AFMUG] New Cambium setup


Well, Mr. Pera did start out at Apple.

No clues about the Cambium thing.

bp

On 11/5/2014 5:43 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

Why does it feel like Cambium=Microsoft and Ubiquiti=Apple?

Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Yeah, I anticipated that answer.  I have next to zero experience with MT.  Not 
to say I am not willing to learn.  
So, what exactly would it take?  Just the router?  Do those things come in nice 
consumer grade cases?  Seems to me the last time I had one it was a bare PCB.  
(Back in 2003)...

How about a bill of materials, a configuration listing, perhaps come and set it 
up for me and teach us a class...
We would buy the pizza...

From: Mike Hammett via Af 
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 9:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Mikrotik.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com







From: Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:18:12 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding


Any ideas of how to bond a wireless connection to a DSL connection for more 
bandwidth and redundancy?
I have control over both ends of both circuits.  Same IP space etc.  Just don’t 
know if there is a low cost solution that could be applied to only the 
customer’s end.

Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Is Luthman here? I bet if you bought him a Giordano's pizza, he'd do it. :-p 

www.routerboard.com 

They have everything from $50 SOHO style routers on up to $1,200 Dual SFP+ 
(and others) boxes. 

How networking knowledgeable are you? 

http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Load_Balancing 

There's a TON of stuff in their WIKI. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:22:07 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding 




Yeah, I anticipated that answer. I have next to zero experience with MT. Not to 
say I am not willing to learn. 
So, what exactly would it take? Just the router? Do those things come in nice 
consumer grade cases? Seems to me the last time I had one it was a bare PCB. 
(Back in 2003)... 

How about a bill of materials, a configuration listing, perhaps come and set it 
up for me and teach us a class... 
We would buy the pizza... 




From: Mike Hammett via Af 
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 9:19 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding 


Mikrotik. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:18:12 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding 




Any ideas of how to bond a wireless connection to a DSL connection for more 
bandwidth and redundancy? 
I have control over both ends of both circuits. Same IP space etc. Just don’t 
know if there is a low cost solution that could be applied to only the 
customer’s end.

Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

2014-11-06 Thread Rory Conaway via Af

Get a used Peplink off ebay.  I’ve got a couple of older ones I’ll sell you but 
they are limited to 10-15Mbps.

 

rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 9:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

 

Is Luthman here? I bet if you bought him a Giordano's pizza, he'd do it.  :-p

www.routerboard.com

They have everything from $50 SOHO style routers on up to $1,200 Dual SFP+ 
(and others) boxes.

How networking knowledgeable are you?

http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Load_Balancing

There's a TON of stuff in their WIKI.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL  
https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb  
https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions  
https://twitter.com/ICSIL 





From: Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:22:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Yeah, I anticipated that answer.  I have next to zero experience with MT.  Not 
to say I am not willing to learn.  

So, what exactly would it take?  Just the router?  Do those things come in nice 
consumer grade cases?  Seems to me the last time I had one it was a bare PCB.  
(Back in 2003)...

 

How about a bill of materials, a configuration listing, perhaps come and set it 
up for me and teach us a class...

We would buy the pizza...

 

From: Mike Hammett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com  

Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 9:19 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

 

Mikrotik.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL  
https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb  
https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions  
https://twitter.com/ICSIL 



From: Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:18:12 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Any ideas of how to bond a wireless connection to a DSL connection for more 
bandwidth and redundancy?

I have control over both ends of both circuits.  Same IP space etc.  Just don’t 
know if there is a low cost solution that could be applied to only the 
customer’s end.

Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Need to probably hit 50 Mbps.  

From: Rory Conaway via Af 
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 9:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Get a used Peplink off ebay.  I’ve got a couple of older ones I’ll sell you but 
they are limited to 10-15Mbps.

rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 9:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Is Luthman here? I bet if you bought him a Giordano's pizza, he'd do it.  :-p

www.routerboard.com

They have everything from $50 SOHO style routers on up to $1,200 Dual SFP+ 
(and others) boxes.

How networking knowledgeable are you?

http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Load_Balancing

There's a TON of stuff in their WIKI.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

From: Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:22:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Yeah, I anticipated that answer.  I have next to zero experience with MT.  Not 
to say I am not willing to learn.  

So, what exactly would it take?  Just the router?  Do those things come in nice 
consumer grade cases?  Seems to me the last time I had one it was a bare PCB.  
(Back in 2003)...

How about a bill of materials, a configuration listing, perhaps come and set it 
up for me and teach us a class...

We would buy the pizza...

From: Mike Hammett via Af 

Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 9:19 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Mikrotik.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

From: Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:18:12 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Any ideas of how to bond a wireless connection to a DSL connection for more 
bandwidth and redundancy?

I have control over both ends of both circuits.  Same IP space etc.  Just don’t 
know if there is a low cost solution that could be applied to only the 
customer’s end.

Re: [AFMUG] Source for used Smart UPS XL

2014-11-06 Thread Robbie Wright via Af

X2 for refurbups.com.
On Nov 6, 2014 8:16 AM, Josh Baird via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 We buy from excessups.com and refurbups.com.  Call them to get your
 pricing, it will be better than what is shown on their websites.

 Josh

 On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Looking for another rack mountable unit and I want to throw in some
 bigger batteries.  The old unit just doesn't have the battery capacity and
 I'm afraid of asking too much of the little charger.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

But if I want to do 100 of these, with a NOC and 100 subs, I don’t want to have 
discrete devices on both ends of each circuit.  Prefer to use link aggregation 
of some sort that would function kinda like a PMP radio protocol.  So one big 
something at the NOC that can know how to handle dual paths to a CPE.

From: Mike Hammett via Af 
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 9:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

I'd probably go with an RB2011 for ~$100. If you can control the network on 
both ends (with a Mikrotik also at the upstream side), that makes your life 
easier.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

From: Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:29:58 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Need to probably hit 50 Mbps.  

From: Rory Conaway via Af 
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 9:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Get a used Peplink off ebay.  I’ve got a couple of older ones I’ll sell you but 
they are limited to 10-15Mbps.

rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 9:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Is Luthman here? I bet if you bought him a Giordano's pizza, he'd do it.  :-p

www.routerboard.com

They have everything from $50 SOHO style routers on up to $1,200 Dual SFP+ 
(and others) boxes.

How networking knowledgeable are you?

http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Load_Balancing

There's a TON of stuff in their WIKI.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

From: Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:22:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Yeah, I anticipated that answer.  I have next to zero experience with MT.  Not 
to say I am not willing to learn.  

So, what exactly would it take?  Just the router?  Do those things come in nice 
consumer grade cases?  Seems to me the last time I had one it was a bare PCB.  
(Back in 2003)...

How about a bill of materials, a configuration listing, perhaps come and set it 
up for me and teach us a class...

We would buy the pizza...

From: Mike Hammett via Af 

Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 9:19 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Mikrotik.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

From: Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:18:12 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Any ideas of how to bond a wireless connection to a DSL connection for more 
bandwidth and redundancy?

I have control over both ends of both circuits.  Same IP space etc.  Just don’t 
know if there is a low cost solution that could be applied to only the 
customer’s end.

Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding


Mikrotik.

You could do all sorts of fancy things.  OSPF if you just want to split 
the load.  Policy routing if you want to direct traffic based on the 
capabilities of the connection or whatever.


bp

On 11/6/2014 8:18 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
Any ideas of how to bond a wireless connection to a DSL connection for 
more bandwidth and redundancy?
I have control over both ends of both circuits.  Same IP space etc.  
Just don’t know if there is a low cost solution that could be applied 
to only the customer’s end.

Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

2014-11-06 Thread Rory Conaway via Af

http://www.peplink.com/products/balance/

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 9:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Thanks, lots to digest.

From: Rory Conaway via Af mailto:af@afmug.com  

Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 9:44 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Then if budget allows it, just buy new ones.  Peplink is one the absolute best 
for this application.  The support multiple redundant links and best path 
analysis.  We have used them for 10 years with zero issues.  The biggest one I 
have is the 710 but the newer ones are even faster.  For corporate application, 
set and forget and you don’t need a network person to set them up, manage, or 
monitor them.   They are really simple.  If you want to log into one and see 
it, let me know.

Rory 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 9:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Need to probably hit 50 Mbps.  

From: Rory Conaway via Af mailto:af@afmug.com  

Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 9:29 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Get a used Peplink off ebay.  I’ve got a couple of older ones I’ll sell you but 
they are limited to 10-15Mbps.

rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 9:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Is Luthman here? I bet if you bought him a Giordano's pizza, he'd do it.  :-p

www.routerboard.com

They have everything from $50 SOHO style routers on up to $1,200 Dual SFP+ 
(and others) boxes.

How networking knowledgeable are you?

http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Load_Balancing

There's a TON of stuff in their WIKI.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL  
https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb  
https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions  
https://twitter.com/ICSIL 

From: Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:22:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Yeah, I anticipated that answer.  I have next to zero experience with MT.  Not 
to say I am not willing to learn.  

So, what exactly would it take?  Just the router?  Do those things come in nice 
consumer grade cases?  Seems to me the last time I had one it was a bare PCB.  
(Back in 2003)...

How about a bill of materials, a configuration listing, perhaps come and set it 
up for me and teach us a class...

We would buy the pizza...

From: Mike Hammett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com  

Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 9:19 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Mikrotik.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL  
https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb  
https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions  
https://twitter.com/ICSIL 

From: Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:18:12 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Any ideas of how to bond a wireless connection to a DSL connection for more 
bandwidth and redundancy?

I have control over both ends of both circuits.  Same IP space etc.  Just don’t 
know if there is a low cost solution that could be applied to only the 
customer’s end.

Re: [AFMUG] CNS 1.2 Beta

2014-11-06 Thread Jordan Stipati via Af

Mike,

The errors.log looks normal and Apache is up and running so you should be able 
to at least see the login or an error page.  Postgres and the CNS service look 
OK as well.

Shoot me an email at 
jordan.stip...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:jordan.stip...@cambiumnetworks.com 
and I’ll get you in contact with an engineer to dig deeper into this issue.

Thanks,
Jordan

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2014 4:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNS 1.2 Beta

Here are the additional commands.

[root@CNS opt]# service lappstackApache status
apache already running
[root@CNS opt]# service lappstackPostgreSQL status
postgresql already running
[root@CNS opt]#



Apache is started and I forced http and https to no avail.


[Mon Nov 03 11:39:21.499553 2014] [ssl:warn] [pid 31271] AH01906: 
localhost:443:0 server certificate is a CA certificate (BasicConstraints: CA == 
TRUE !?)
[Mon Nov 03 11:39:21.499642 2014] [ssl:warn] [pid 31271] AH01909: 
localhost:443:0 server certificate does NOT include an ID which matches the 
server name
[Mon Nov 03 11:39:21.500203 2014] [ssl:warn] [pid 31271] AH01916: Init: 
(localhost:443) You configured HTTP(80) on the standard HTTPS(443) port!
[Mon Nov 03 11:39:21.611669 2014] [so:warn] [pid 31271] AH01574: module 
php5_module is already loaded, skipping
[Mon Nov 03 11:39:21.634371 2014] [so:warn] [pid 31271] AH01574: module 
php5_module is already loaded, skipping
[Mon Nov 03 11:39:21.634504 2014] [so:warn] [pid 31271] AH01574: module 
rewrite_module is already loaded, skipping
[Mon Nov 03 11:39:21.728123 2014] [ssl:warn] [pid 31273] AH01873: Init: Session 
Cache is not configured [hint: SSLSessionCache]
[Mon Nov 03 11:39:21.733716 2014] [ssl:warn] [pid 31273] AH01906: 
localhost:443:0 server certificate is a CA certificate (BasicConstraints: CA == 
TRUE !?)
[Mon Nov 03 11:39:21.733819 2014] [ssl:warn] [pid 31273] AH01909: 
localhost:443:0 server certificate does NOT include an ID which matches the 
server name
[Mon Nov 03 11:39:21.734534 2014] [ssl:warn] [pid 31273] AH01916: Init: 
(localhost:443) You configured HTTP(80) on the standard HTTPS(443) port!
[Mon Nov 03 11:39:21.998155 2014] [mpm_prefork:notice] [pid 31273] AH00163: 
Apache/2.4.9 (Unix) OpenSSL/1.0.1g configured -- resuming normal operations
[Mon Nov 03 11:39:21.998448 2014] [core:notice] [pid 31273] AH00094: Command 
line: '/opt/cnsserver/stack/apache2/bin/httpd -f 
/opt/cnsserver/stack/apache2/conf/httpd.conf'
[Mon Nov 03 11:39:56.454547 2014] [mpm_prefork:notice] [pid 31273] AH00169: 
caught SIGTERM, shutting down
[Mon Nov 03 11:40:26.028388 2014] [ssl:warn] [pid 31423] AH01906: 
localhost:443:0 server certificate is a CA certificate (BasicConstraints: CA == 
TRUE !?)
[Mon Nov 03 11:40:26.028501 2014] [ssl:warn] [pid 31423] AH01909: 
localhost:443:0 server certificate does NOT include an ID which matches the 
server name
[Mon Nov 03 11:40:26.029037 2014] [ssl:warn] [pid 31423] AH01916: Init: 
(localhost:443) You configured HTTP(80) on the standard HTTPS(443) port!
[Mon Nov 03 11:40:26.154546 2014] [so:warn] [pid 31423] AH01574: module 
php5_module is already loaded, skipping
[Mon Nov 03 11:40:26.169911 2014] [so:warn] [pid 31423] AH01574: module 
php5_module is already loaded, skipping
[Mon Nov 03 11:40:26.170029 2014] [so:warn] [pid 31423] AH01574: module 
rewrite_module is already loaded, skipping
[Mon Nov 03 11:40:26.240478 2014] [ssl:warn] [pid 31425] AH01873: Init: Session 
Cache is not configured [hint: SSLSessionCache]
[Mon Nov 03 11:40:26.245530 2014] [ssl:warn] [pid 31425] AH01906: 
localhost:443:0 server certificate is a CA certificate (BasicConstraints: CA == 
TRUE !?)
[Mon Nov 03 11:40:26.245618 2014] [ssl:warn] [pid 31425] AH01909: 
localhost:443:0 server certificate does NOT include an ID which matches the 
server name
[Mon Nov 03 11:40:26.246161 2014] [ssl:warn] [pid 31425] AH01916: Init: 
(localhost:443) You configured HTTP(80) on the standard HTTPS(443) port!
[Mon Nov 03 11:40:26.508880 2014] [mpm_prefork:notice] [pid 31425] AH00163: 
Apache/2.4.9 (Unix) OpenSSL/1.0.1g configured -- resuming normal operations
[Mon Nov 03 11:40:26.509222 2014] [core:notice] [pid 31425] AH00094: Command 
line: '/opt/cnsserver/stack/apache2/bin/httpd -f 
/opt/cnsserver/stack/apache2/conf/httpd.conf'
[Mon Nov 03 11:45:09.400381 2014] [access_compat:error] [pid 31431] [client 
10.1.1.38:59415] AH01797: client denied by server configuration: /opt/cnsserver/
[Mon Nov 03 11:45:09.658216 2014] [access_compat:error] [pid 31431] [client 
10.1.1.38:59415] AH01797: client denied by server configuration: 
/opt/cnsserver/favicon.ico
[Mon Nov 03 11:48:36.951491 2014] [mpm_prefork:notice] [pid 31425] AH00169: 
caught SIGTERM, shutting down
[Mon Nov 03 11:50:34.430352 2014] [ssl:warn] [pid 6054] AH01906: 
localhost:443:0 server certificate is a CA certificate (BasicConstraints: CA == 
TRUE !?)
[Mon Nov 03 11:50:34.431125 2014] [ssl:warn] [pid 6054] AH01909:

Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

2014-11-06 Thread Jon Bruce via Af

See if Multapplied Networks has a reseller in your area.  True bonding, 
load balancing, failover, QoS, etc.


On 2014-11-06 11:29 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:

Need to probably hit 50 Mbps.
*From:* Rory Conaway via Af mailto:af@afmug.com
*Sent:* Thursday, November 06, 2014 9:29 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Get a used Peplink off ebay.  I’ve got a couple of older ones I’ll 
sell you but they are limited to 10-15Mbps.


rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett via Af
*Sent:* Thursday, November 6, 2014 9:26 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Is Luthman here? I bet if you bought him a Giordano's pizza, he'd do 
it.  :-p


www.routerboard.com http://www.routerboard.com

They have everything from $50 SOHO style routers on up to $1,200 
Dual SFP+ (and others) boxes.


How networking knowledgeable are you?

http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Load_Balancing

There's a TON of stuff in their WIKI.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL



*From: *Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:22:07 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Yeah, I anticipated that answer.  I have next to zero experience with 
MT.  Not to say I am not willing to learn.


So, what exactly would it take?  Just the router?  Do those things 
come in nice consumer grade cases?  Seems to me the last time I had 
one it was a bare PCB.  (Back in 2003)...


How about a bill of materials, a configuration listing, perhaps come 
and set it up for me and teach us a class...


We would buy the pizza...

*From:*Mike Hammett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com

*Sent:*Thursday, November 06, 2014 9:19 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Mikrotik.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL



*From: *Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:18:12 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Any ideas of how to bond a wireless connection to a DSL connection for 
more bandwidth and redundancy?


I have control over both ends of both circuits.  Same IP space etc.  
Just don’t know if there is a low cost solution that could be applied 
to only the customer’s end.

Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

2014-11-06 Thread Adam Moffett via Af



I assume the DSL and wireless links are not the same size?  That would 
make it way too easy.


But if I want to do 100 of these, with a NOC and 100 subs, I don’t 
want to have discrete devices on both ends of each circuit.  Prefer to 
use link aggregation of some sort that would function kinda like a PMP 
radio protocol.  So one big something at the NOC that can know how to 
handle dual paths to a CPE.

*From:* Mike Hammett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com
*Sent:* Thursday, November 06, 2014 9:31 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding
I'd probably go with an RB2011 for ~$100. If you can control the 
network on both ends (with a Mikrotik also at the upstream side), that 
makes your life easier.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL


*From: *Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:29:58 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Need to probably hit 50 Mbps.
*From:* Rory Conaway via Af mailto:af@afmug.com
*Sent:* Thursday, November 06, 2014 9:29 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Get a used Peplink off ebay.  I’ve got a couple of older ones I’ll 
sell you but they are limited to 10-15Mbps.


rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett via Af
*Sent:* Thursday, November 6, 2014 9:26 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Is Luthman here? I bet if you bought him a Giordano's pizza, he'd do 
it.  :-p


www.routerboard.com http://www.routerboard.com

They have everything from $50 SOHO style routers on up to $1,200 
Dual SFP+ (and others) boxes.


How networking knowledgeable are you?

http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Load_Balancing

There's a TON of stuff in their WIKI.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL



*From: *Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:22:07 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Yeah, I anticipated that answer.  I have next to zero experience with 
MT.  Not to say I am not willing to learn.


So, what exactly would it take?  Just the router? Do those things come 
in nice consumer grade cases?  Seems to me the last time I had one it 
was a bare PCB.  (Back in 2003)...


How about a bill of materials, a configuration listing, perhaps come 
and set it up for me and teach us a class...


We would buy the pizza...

*From:*Mike Hammett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com

*Sent:*Thursday, November 06, 2014 9:19 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Mikrotik.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL



*From: *Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:18:12 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Any ideas of how to bond a wireless connection to a DSL connection for 
more bandwidth and redundancy?


I have control over both ends of both circuits.  Same IP space etc.  
Just don’t know if there is a low cost solution that could be applied 
to only the customer’s end.

Re: [AFMUG] Source for used Smart UPS XL

2014-11-06 Thread Christopher Tyler via Af

X3 for refurbups.com, they are really good people to work with. Our sales rep 
emails me when they get more of the particular model that we like in stock. Had 
a couple RMA's on management cards and there were no questions asked, even a 
few where they paid the shipping both ways.

-- 
Christopher Tyler 
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: Robbie Wright via Af af@afmug.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:30:29 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for used Smart UPS XL

X2 for refurbups.com.
On Nov 6, 2014 8:16 AM, Josh Baird via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 We buy from excessups.com and refurbups.com.  Call them to get your
 pricing, it will be better than what is shown on their websites.

 Josh

 On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Looking for another rack mountable unit and I want to throw in some
 bigger batteries.  The old unit just doesn't have the battery capacity and
 I'm afraid of asking too much of the little charger.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Cacti


He was asking about your cacti platform.  Linux, Windows, hardware, etc.

bp

On 11/6/2014 8:12 AM, Garrett Fosmark via Af wrote:


I have around 1800+ SMs on there

-Garrett

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ryan Spott via Af
*Sent:* Thursday, November 06, 2014 6:40 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cacti

What is are you running it on? It does make a difference.

ryan


--
D. Ryan Spott | Iron Goat Networks, llc
broadband | telco | colo | community
PO Box 1232 / 603 W. Stevens Sultan, WA 98284 
x-apple-data-detectors://0/0
360-799-0552 tel:360-799-0552 | gtalk:rsp...@irongoat.net 
mailto:rsp...@irongoat.net



On Nov 4, 2014, at 09:38, Garrett Fosmark via Af af@afmug.com 
mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:


Is it just me or is cacti just unstable? It seems like at least
once every two weeks devices will either disappear, the poller
cache needs to be rebuilt or different ping methods need to be
selected in order to get devices to start graphing again. That or
graphs will say Nan for a day and then go back to normal.

-Garrett

Re: [AFMUG] Cacti POLL


Isn't there a way to merge multiple cacti instances from multiple hosts?

bp

On 11/5/2014 7:21 PM, David Milholen via Af wrote:
It has to do with the Hosts page which is a quick snapshot of all 
things green or red.
For ever we have always had a single cacti service running to handle 
both infrastructure and subs but it has gotten to large

to have all that on one site.
So, my idea was to have a drop down that would only show a group of 
defined units like servers, Back hauls, Aps, subs and so forth within

the host page or devices page whatever you want to call it.
 The graph tree for me on sorts the graphs not the hosts.

Especially when ur on your mobile and you just want to check to see 
whats up or down.
This could be personal setting that could be set by the user to 
default to just a single group when

they log in.


On 11/5/2014 9:47 AM, Ty Featherling via Af wrote:
Same here. I don't understand what you are proposing David. My graphs 
are manually sorted in the graph tree. What does your plugin do?


-Ty

On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com 
mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:


Sort of like a manage plugin that works?

We've arranged our graphs to be grouped by POP/AP/Subscriber, but
it's done more-or-less manually.  When a new subscriber is added,
we add them to the appropriate graph tree.  This way, someone not
in the know can see the organization of the infrastructure.

Not clear if this is significantly different by your description.

bp

On 11/5/2014 5:06 AM, David Milholen via Af wrote:

For those of you using cacti..
Out of necessity I am going to be working a plugin that will do
Host groups or views for the hosts
displayed.
 For example instead of all hosts in one view you can group them
by infrastructure or subscribers and set permissions on
who is allowed to view infrastructure and subs or just subs.
 There are some other plugins that let you add them to a tab and
view but I want a drop down like on the host page
to display only what I need.
 Of course you can place a tag in the name of each host and
search by this tag. I am just being lazy I guess I want a simple
drop down that will give me the groups I want.
Since we use nagios to watch majority of infrastructure for
alerting I want cacti to only show that infrastructure.

I am just taking poll to see how many use or could use something
like this.

-- 





--

Re: [AFMUG] Cacti

2014-11-06 Thread Garrett Fosmark via Af

Oh, haha

Centos 6.5

-Garrett

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 10:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cacti

He was asking about your cacti platform.  Linux, Windows, hardware, etc.

bp
On 11/6/2014 8:12 AM, Garrett Fosmark via Af wrote:
I have around 1800+ SMs on there

-Garrett

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott via Af
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 6:40 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cacti

What is are you running it on? It does make a difference.

ryan

--
D. Ryan Spott | Iron Goat Networks, llc
broadband | telco | colo | community
PO Box 1232 / 603 W. Stevens Sultan, WA 98284x-apple-data-detectors://0/0
360-799-0552tel:360-799-0552 | 
gtalk:rsp...@irongoat.netmailto:rsp...@irongoat.net

On Nov 4, 2014, at 09:38, Garrett Fosmark via Af 
af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote:
Is it just me or is cacti just unstable? It seems like at least once every two 
weeks devices will either disappear, the poller cache needs to be rebuilt or 
different ping methods need to be selected in order to get devices to start 
graphing again. That or graphs will say Nan for a day and then go back to 
normal.

-Garrett

Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

2014-11-06 Thread Adam Moffett via Af

Yeah that's a tough one. The simple methods won't work right. I hate
sharing unequal paths because it takes a simple job and makes it a hard
one. I don't know what those Peplink things cost, but if Dennis can do
it with Mikrotik and supply you a configuration script to run on the CPE
then you could use those $100 RB2011's.

You are assuming correctly.
*From:* Adam Moffett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com
*Sent:* Thursday, November 06, 2014 10:26 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding
I assume the DSL and wireless links are not the same size? That would
make it way too easy.

But if I want to do 100 of these, with a NOC and 100 subs, I don’t
want to have discrete devices on both ends of each circuit. Prefer
to use link aggregation of some sort that would function kinda like a
PMP radio protocol. So one big something at the NOC that can know
how to handle dual paths to a CPE.

*From:* Mike Hammett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com
*Sent:* Thursday, November 06, 2014 9:31 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding
I'd probably go with an RB2011 for ~$100. If you can control the
network on both ends (with a Mikrotik also at the upstream side),
that makes your life easier.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL

*From: *Chuck McCown via Af mailto:af@afmug.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:29:58 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Need to probably hit 50 Mbps.
*From:* Rory Conaway via Af mailto:af@afmug.com
*Sent:* Thursday, November 06, 2014 9:29 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Get a used Peplink off ebay. I’ve got a couple of older ones I’ll
sell you but they are limited to 10-15Mbps.

rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
via Af

*Sent:* Thursday, November 6, 2014 9:26 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Is Luthman here? I bet if you bought him a Giordano's pizza, he'd do
it. :-p

www.routerboard.com http://www.routerboard.com

They have everything from $50 SOHO style routers on up to $1,200
Dual SFP+ (and others) boxes.

How networking knowledgeable are you?

http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Load_Balancing

There's a TON of stuff in their WIKI.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL

*From: *Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:22:07 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Yeah, I anticipated that answer. I have next to zero experience with
MT. Not to say I am not willing to learn.

So, what exactly would it take? Just the router? Do those things
come in nice consumer grade cases? Seems to me the last time I had
one it was a bare PCB. (Back in 2003)...

How about a bill of materials, a configuration listing, perhaps come
and set it up for me and teach us a class...

We would buy the pizza...

*From:*Mike Hammett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com

*Sent:*Thursday, November 06, 2014 9:19 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Mikrotik.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL

*From: *Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:18:12 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Any ideas of how to bond a wireless connection to a DSL connection
for more bandwidth and redundancy?

I have control over both ends of both circuits. Same IP space etc.
Just don’t know if there is a low cost solution that could be applied
to only the customer’s end.

Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

If you own all ends of the links, you should be able to do this with 
some RB750s.  Less than $50 a piece.  The stuff at your NOC end(s) 
probably would not need to change.  If the plastic case on the RB750 
turns you off, then the RB2011 would do the trick for about double the 
price.



bp

On 11/6/2014 8:36 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
But if I want to do 100 of these, with a NOC and 100 subs, I don’t 
want to have discrete devices on both ends of each circuit.  Prefer to 
use link aggregation of some sort that would function kinda like a PMP 
radio protocol.  So one big something at the NOC that can know how to 
handle dual paths to a CPE.

*From:* Mike Hammett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com
*Sent:* Thursday, November 06, 2014 9:31 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding
I'd probably go with an RB2011 for ~$100. If you can control the 
network on both ends (with a Mikrotik also at the upstream side), that 
makes your life easier.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL


*From: *Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:29:58 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Need to probably hit 50 Mbps.
*From:* Rory Conaway via Af mailto:af@afmug.com
*Sent:* Thursday, November 06, 2014 9:29 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Get a used Peplink off ebay.  I’ve got a couple of older ones I’ll 
sell you but they are limited to 10-15Mbps.


rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett via Af
*Sent:* Thursday, November 6, 2014 9:26 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Is Luthman here? I bet if you bought him a Giordano's pizza, he'd do 
it.  :-p


www.routerboard.com http://www.routerboard.com

They have everything from $50 SOHO style routers on up to $1,200 
Dual SFP+ (and others) boxes.


How networking knowledgeable are you?

http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Load_Balancing

There's a TON of stuff in their WIKI.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL



*From: *Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:22:07 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Yeah, I anticipated that answer.  I have next to zero experience with 
MT.  Not to say I am not willing to learn.


So, what exactly would it take?  Just the router? Do those things come 
in nice consumer grade cases?  Seems to me the last time I had one it 
was a bare PCB.  (Back in 2003)...


How about a bill of materials, a configuration listing, perhaps come 
and set it up for me and teach us a class...


We would buy the pizza...

*From:*Mike Hammett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com

*Sent:*Thursday, November 06, 2014 9:19 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Mikrotik.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL



*From: *Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:18:12 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Any ideas of how to bond a wireless connection to a DSL connection for 
more bandwidth and redundancy?


I have control over both ends of both circuits.  Same IP space etc.  
Just don’t know if there is a low cost solution that could be applied 
to only the customer’s end.

Re: [AFMUG] development platform for data/control system

2014-11-06 Thread Cameron Crum via Af

How many IO connections? I use a BCS-460 for my little brewery. It was
designed with brewers in mind, but could be used for any application
needing web based control for relays and such. There are a couple models
with different numbers of inputs and outputs, has a built in web server for
controlling it all, and they have an API so you could write your own. I
wrote an andoid app called Brew Mate on the android market so I can use my
phone with it. It might be worth looking at before re-inventing the wheel.

Cameron

On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Ty Featherling via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 I have been asked what the feasibility is of us developing a controller
 that can control some servos and relays to control a few things in a comm
 building. Basically be able to turn the lights on and off, monitor the
 temperature, turn on a heater, and control a magnetic door lock. The
 products are all lined out for controlling each of those but we need a
 controller that can deal with the IO and be able to be run from a webpage.

 My first though was Arduino or Beagleboard. Anyone have any experience
 with these things that could recommend a platform to build off of? The
 basic requirements are ethernet interface, a number of digital and analog
 IO connections and the ability to communicate with a web-server backend.

 -Ty

Re: [AFMUG] development platform for data/control system

2014-11-06 Thread Keefe John via Af


Ubiquiti Mfi


On 11/6/2014 2:14 PM, Ty Featherling via Af wrote:
I have been asked what the feasibility is of us developing a 
controller that can control some servos and relays to control a few 
things in a comm building. Basically be able to turn the lights on and 
off, monitor the temperature, turn on a heater, and control a magnetic 
door lock. The products are all lined out for controlling each of 
those but we need a controller that can deal with the IO and be able 
to be run from a webpage.


My first though was Arduino or Beagleboard. Anyone have any experience 
with these things that could recommend a platform to build off of? The 
basic requirements are ethernet interface, a number of digital and 
analog IO connections and the ability to communicate with a web-server 
backend.


-Ty

Re: [AFMUG] development platform for data/control system

You could do much of this with a site monitor.  

From: Cameron Crum via Af 
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 1:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] development platform for data/control system

Sorry, forgot the link http://www.embeddedcontrolconcepts.com/products.html

On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Cameron Crum via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  How many IO connections? I use a BCS-460 for my little brewery. It was 
designed with brewers in mind, but could be used for any application needing 
web based control for relays and such. There are a couple models with different 
numbers of inputs and outputs, has a built in web server for controlling it 
all, and they have an API so you could write your own. I wrote an andoid app 
called Brew Mate on the android market so I can use my phone with it. It might 
be worth looking at before re-inventing the wheel. 

  Cameron

  On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Ty Featherling via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

I have been asked what the feasibility is of us developing a controller 
that can control some servos and relays to control a few things in a comm 
building. Basically be able to turn the lights on and off, monitor the 
temperature, turn on a heater, and control a magnetic door lock. The products 
are all lined out for controlling each of those but we need a controller that 
can deal with the IO and be able to be run from a webpage. 

My first though was Arduino or Beagleboard. Anyone have any experience with 
these things that could recommend a platform to build off of? The basic 
requirements are ethernet interface, a number of digital and analog IO 
connections and the ability to communicate with a web-server backend.

-Ty

Re: [AFMUG] development platform for data/control system

2014-11-06 Thread Ty Featherling via Af

Good point Chuck. Just use SNMP for the data. Keefe, I'm sorry but I have
zero faith that mFi will be around for all that long. How long since launch
and it hasn't been updated or spoken of again? You can only just now get
parts without months of waiting.

Cameron, I will look into that thanks.

Anyone else have any thoughts on microcontollers?

-Ty

On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

   You could do much of this with a site monitor.

  *From:* Cameron Crum via Af af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Thursday, November 06, 2014 1:26 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] development platform for data/control system

  Sorry, forgot the link
 http://www.embeddedcontrolconcepts.com/products.html

 On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Cameron Crum via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 How many IO connections? I use a BCS-460 for my little brewery. It was
 designed with brewers in mind, but could be used for any application
 needing web based control for relays and such. There are a couple models
 with different numbers of inputs and outputs, has a built in web server for
 controlling it all, and they have an API so you could write your own. I
 wrote an andoid app called Brew Mate on the android market so I can use my
 phone with it. It might be worth looking at before re-inventing the wheel.

 Cameron

 On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Ty Featherling via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

 I have been asked what the feasibility is of us developing a controller
 that can control some servos and relays to control a few things in a comm
 building. Basically be able to turn the lights on and off, monitor the
 temperature, turn on a heater, and control a magnetic door lock. The
 products are all lined out for controlling each of those but we need a
 controller that can deal with the IO and be able to be run from a webpage.

 My first though was Arduino or Beagleboard. Anyone have any experience
 with these things that could recommend a platform to build off of? The
 basic requirements are ethernet interface, a number of digital and analog
 IO connections and the ability to communicate with a web-server backend.

 -Ty

Re: [AFMUG] development platform for data/control system

Ever look at the X10 home automation system?  Maybe not enough doodads 
for what you're looking for,but there are a lot of capabilities built 
into it.


   http://www.x10.com/x10-home-automation.html

bp

On 11/6/2014 12:14 PM, Ty Featherling via Af wrote:
I have been asked what the feasibility is of us developing a 
controller that can control some servos and relays to control a few 
things in a comm building. Basically be able to turn the lights on and 
off, monitor the temperature, turn on a heater, and control a magnetic 
door lock. The products are all lined out for controlling each of 
those but we need a controller that can deal with the IO and be able 
to be run from a webpage.


My first though was Arduino or Beagleboard. Anyone have any experience 
with these things that could recommend a platform to build off of? The 
basic requirements are ethernet interface, a number of digital and 
analog IO connections and the ability to communicate with a web-server 
backend.


-Ty

Re: [AFMUG] development platform for data/control system

2014-11-06 Thread George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af

You could use a PLC.  
I have used microcontrollers for years but am too lazy these days.  
If you don’t like sitemonitor, RMS makes a nice telemetry board too.  

From: Ty Featherling via Af 
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 1:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] development platform for data/control system

Good point Chuck. Just use SNMP for the data. Keefe, I'm sorry but I have zero 
faith that mFi will be around for all that long. How long since launch and it 
hasn't been updated or spoken of again? You can only just now get parts without 
months of waiting. 

Cameron, I will look into that thanks.

Anyone else have any thoughts on microcontollers?

-Ty

On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  You could do much of this with a site monitor.  

  From: Cameron Crum via Af 
  Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 1:26 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] development platform for data/control system

  Sorry, forgot the link http://www.embeddedcontrolconcepts.com/products.html

  On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Cameron Crum via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

How many IO connections? I use a BCS-460 for my little brewery. It was 
designed with brewers in mind, but could be used for any application needing 
web based control for relays and such. There are a couple models with different 
numbers of inputs and outputs, has a built in web server for controlling it 
all, and they have an API so you could write your own. I wrote an andoid app 
called Brew Mate on the android market so I can use my phone with it. It might 
be worth looking at before re-inventing the wheel. 

Cameron

On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Ty Featherling via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  I have been asked what the feasibility is of us developing a controller 
that can control some servos and relays to control a few things in a comm 
building. Basically be able to turn the lights on and off, monitor the 
temperature, turn on a heater, and control a magnetic door lock. The products 
are all lined out for controlling each of those but we need a controller that 
can deal with the IO and be able to be run from a webpage. 

  My first though was Arduino or Beagleboard. Anyone have any experience 
with these things that could recommend a platform to build off of? The basic 
requirements are ethernet interface, a number of digital and analog IO 
connections and the ability to communicate with a web-server backend.

  -Ty

Re: [AFMUG] development platform for data/control system

2014-11-06 Thread josh--- via Af

Check out click PLCs, I think automationdirect sells them

On November 6, 2014 12:19:03 PM AKST, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
You could use a PLC.  
I have used microcontrollers for years but am too lazy these days.  
If you don’t like sitemonitor, RMS makes a nice telemetry board too.  

From: Ty Featherling via Af 
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 1:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] development platform for data/control system

Good point Chuck. Just use SNMP for the data. Keefe, I'm sorry but I
have zero faith that mFi will be around for all that long. How long
since launch and it hasn't been updated or spoken of again? You can
only just now get parts without months of waiting. 

Cameron, I will look into that thanks.

Anyone else have any thoughts on microcontollers?

-Ty

On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:

  You could do much of this with a site monitor.  

  From: Cameron Crum via Af 
  Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 1:26 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] development platform for data/control system

Sorry, forgot the link
http://www.embeddedcontrolconcepts.com/products.html

On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Cameron Crum via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:

How many IO connections? I use a BCS-460 for my little brewery. It was
designed with brewers in mind, but could be used for any application
needing web based control for relays and such. There are a couple
models with different numbers of inputs and outputs, has a built in web
server for controlling it all, and they have an API so you could write
your own. I wrote an andoid app called Brew Mate on the android market
so I can use my phone with it. It might be worth looking at before
re-inventing the wheel. 

Cameron

On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Ty Featherling via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:

I have been asked what the feasibility is of us developing a controller
that can control some servos and relays to control a few things in a
comm building. Basically be able to turn the lights on and off, monitor
the temperature, turn on a heater, and control a magnetic door lock.
The products are all lined out for controlling each of those but we
need a controller that can deal with the IO and be able to be run from
a webpage. 

My first though was Arduino or Beagleboard. Anyone have any experience
with these things that could recommend a platform to build off of? The
basic requirements are ethernet interface, a number of digital and
analog IO connections and the ability to communicate with a web-server
backend.

  -Ty

-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

[AFMUG] CMM4 Sats tracked issue

2014-11-06 Thread Timothy D. McNabb via Af

I have a CMM4 running 8 AP's (3 450 5.4/5.7, 5 FSK @ 5.7) and experiencing an 
odd issue. Satellites seen stays up, fluctuating between 7-9 sats but the 
tracking has trouble fluctuating between 5-1. It spends most of its time in 2D 
fix, will 3D fix when it's tracking 4 sats and will report bad geometry at 2 
sats. I suspect placement on the tower is the issue and it is having trouble 
maintaining the lock. It's on the latest firmware (3.0). I'm going to suggest 
we attempt to relocate the CMM4 to have a clearer view of the sky but wanted to 
ping you guys for some input.

What do you think? Is the CMM4 failing or is this an (n)LOS issue?

Timothy McNabb
Network Administrator
Velociter Wireless, Inc
(209)838-1221 x107

Re: [AFMUG] CMM4 Sats tracked issue

2014-11-06 Thread David via Af


I thought the CMM4 has an external GPS.
 I would either check voltage to GPS or replace pigtail
Moving doesnt hurt if the ant does not have a clear Northern view

On 11/06/2014 03:57 PM, Timothy D. McNabb via Af wrote:


I have a CMM4 running 8 APï¿½s (3 450 5.4/5.7, 5 FSK @ 5.7) and 
experiencing an odd issue. Satellites seen stays up, fluctuating 
between 7-9 sats but the tracking has trouble fluctuating between 5-1. 
It spends most of its time in 2D fix, will 3D fix when itï¿½s tracking 4 
sats and will report bad geometry at 2 sats. I suspect placement on 
the tower is the issue and it is having trouble maintaining the lock. 
Itï¿½s on the latest firmware (3.0). Iï¿½m going to suggest we attempt to 
relocate the CMM4 to have a clearer view of the sky but wanted to ping 
you guys for some input.


What do you think? Is the CMM4 failing or is this an (n)LOS issue?

Timothy McNabb

Network Administrator

Velociter Wireless, Inc

(209)838-1221 x107

Re: [AFMUG] Cacti POLL

2014-11-06 Thread David via Af

Yeah, We currently have one instance that only does Infrastructure and 
the other doing everything else.

I want to eliminate one and have just the one portal.
 This has been discussed before in the forums and there were some 
plugins that sorted some host in another tab but thats not what

I want to see.
 I want to log in and just see all infrastructure hosts or subs by 
simply having a drop down to filter by group.


On 11/06/2014 12:56 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:

Isn't there a way to merge multiple cacti instances from multiple hosts?
bp
On 11/5/2014 7:21 PM, David Milholen via Af wrote:
It has to do with the Hosts page which is a quick snapshot of all 
things green or red.
For ever we have always had a single cacti service running to handle 
both infrastructure and subs but it has gotten to large

to have all that on one site.
So, my idea was to have a drop down that would only show a group of 
defined units like servers, Back hauls, Aps, subs and so forth within

the host page or devices page whatever you want to call it.
 The graph tree for me on sorts the graphs not the hosts.

Especially when ur on your mobile and you just want to check to see 
whats up or down.
This could be personal setting that could be set by the user to 
default to just a single group when

they log in.


On 11/5/2014 9:47 AM, Ty Featherling via Af wrote:
Same here. I don't understand what you are proposing David. My 
graphs are manually sorted in the graph tree. What does your plugin do?


-Ty

On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com 
mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:


Sort of like a manage plugin that works?

We've arranged our graphs to be grouped by POP/AP/Subscriber,
but it's done more-or-less manually.  When a new subscriber is
added, we add them to the appropriate graph tree.  This way,
someone not in the know can see the organization of the
infrastructure.

Not clear if this is significantly different by your description.

bp

On 11/5/2014 5:06 AM, David Milholen via Af wrote:

For those of you using cacti..
Out of necessity I am going to be working a plugin that will do
Host groups or views for the hosts
displayed.
 For example instead of all hosts in one view you can group
them by infrastructure or subscribers and set permissions on
who is allowed to view infrastructure and subs or just subs.
 There are some other plugins that let you add them to a tab
and view but I want a drop down like on the host page
to display only what I need.
 Of course you can place a tag in the name of each host and
search by this tag. I am just being lazy I guess I want a simple
drop down that will give me the groups I want.
Since we use nagios to watch majority of infrastructure for
alerting I want cacti to only show that infrastructure.

I am just taking poll to see how many use or could use
something like this.

-- 





--

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber up the tower questions.

If I had to do fiber + DC, I would want each radio on its own pair of
fiber and power conductors coming all the way down. So far it's been
easier, cheaper and faster to run cat5. Just my opinion.

It would be nice to find 4 strand single or multi-mode + 4 #14 stranded
conductors in a single jacket. I would go for 2 + 2, but lots of stuff
is coming with separate management and data port SFP interfaces now.
Plus it never hurts to have an extra pair of wires at the radio for
maybe a 2+0/1+1 setup. And in that case, the 4 strands could be BiDi.

On 11/6/2014 7:00 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:
I would want to do fiber up for each device, but I know many put a
switch up there. Eventually our vendors will listen to us and put
fiber on the APs.

I was excited about the squids until Chuck Hogg pointed me to some
high dollar eBay auctions for them. I guess I'll just put a PVC box up
there and a fiber patch panel.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL

*From: *Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af af@afmug.com
*To: *af af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, November 6, 2014 6:56:49 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Fiber up the tower questions.

For those of you who run fiber + DC up the tower

Do you run a separate fiber pair up the tower for each radio? Or do
you mount an ethernet switch up top? How do you do injection, eth
switching, etc...

I'm continually being asked to do a product to help with these fiber
up the tower builds, and as we don't generally bump into the 100M
distance limit in installs I've been involved with I'm at a bit of a
loss understanding how people typically wire this - or I guess would
like to wire this.

Pictures would be great!

-forrest

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber up the tower questions.