date:20150113

Noodling around with Chucks info:

Noise floor = –80
Sensitivity = –82
-80 – (-82) = 2 dB
RX signal required –80 + 2 = –78 dBm

Noise floor = –40
Sensitivity = –82
-40 – (-82) =42 dB
-40 + 42 = +2dBm  (Not sure I want to stand in front of the transmitter)

Some simple algebra:

Required RX signal =Noise floor + (Noise Floor – Sensitivity)

- simplifying -

RX signal = (2 * Noise floor )-Sensitivity

So, every dB of  noise floor == 2dB of RX signal.  

Have I got this right Chuck?

From: Chuck Macenski 
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 11:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Af5


tl;dr...the natural noise floor for the band minus the sensitivity of that band 
for a given modulation equals the signal needed over the noise floor for a 
given modulation.

[AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

Doing WiFi for a restaurantwhat would be good for deploying WiFi

Ubnt unifi, meraki or something else?

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

Meraki



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: joseph marsh mailto:bwireless...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 10:43 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant


Doing WiFi for a restaurantwhat would be good for deploying WiFi

Ubnt unifi, meraki or something else?

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

2015-01-13 Thread Super WISP

Hit me offline Joseph to discuss.  We have low end and higher end solutions.

Thanks,

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WAV®, Inc
Strategic Account Manager East Coast
630-818-1004 Direct
630-818-4452 Fax
800-678-2419 X 1004 Toll Free
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Subject: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant


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Ubnt unifi, meraki or something else?



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Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

2015-01-13 Thread Rory Conaway

Xirrus.  More granular packet control.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 7:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

Meraki



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: joseph marsh mailto:bwireless...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 10:43 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant


Doing WiFi for a restaurantwhat would be good for deploying WiFi

Ubnt unifi, meraki or something else?

Re: [AFMUG] Af5

2015-01-13 Thread Chuck Macenski

Hi,

I should learn to sleep at night and email during the day. The tl;dr should
have read: Sensitivity for a Modulation Rate at a given bandwidth (from the
spec sheet) minus the clean noise floor for that bandwidth (see below)
equals the signal needed over the actual noise floor for a given modulation.

A rough estimate for the clean noise floor would be (50MHz=-97dBm,
40=-98dBm, 30=-99dBm, 20=-101dBm, 10=-104dBm).

Chuck

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:39 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

>   Noodling around with Chucks info:
>
> Noise floor = –80
> Sensitivity = –82
> -80 – (-82) = 2 dB
> RX signal required –80 + 2 = –78 dBm
>
> Noise floor = –40
> Sensitivity = –82
> -40 – (-82) =42 dB
> -40 + 42 = +2dBm  (Not sure I want to stand in front of the transmitter)
>
> Some simple algebra:
>
> Required RX signal =Noise floor + (Noise Floor – Sensitivity)
>
> - simplifying -
>
> RX signal = (2 * Noise floor )-Sensitivity
>
> So, every dB of  noise floor == 2dB of RX signal.
>
> Have I got this right Chuck?
>
>  *From:* Chuck Macenski 
> *Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 11:25 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Af5
>
>
> tl;dr...the natural noise floor for the band minus the sensitivity of
> that band for a given modulation equals the signal needed over the noise
> floor for a given modulation.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Af5

2015-01-13 Thread Chuck Macenski

The clean noise floor number is the thermal noise floor...

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 9:06 AM, Chuck Macenski  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I should learn to sleep at night and email during the day. The tl;dr
> should have read: Sensitivity for a Modulation Rate at a given bandwidth
> (from the spec sheet) minus the clean noise floor for that bandwidth (see
> below) equals the signal needed over the actual noise floor for a given
> modulation.
>
> A rough estimate for the clean noise floor would be (50MHz=-97dBm,
> 40=-98dBm, 30=-99dBm, 20=-101dBm, 10=-104dBm).
>
> Chuck
>
> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:39 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>>   Noodling around with Chucks info:
>>
>> Noise floor = –80
>> Sensitivity = –82
>> -80 – (-82) = 2 dB
>> RX signal required –80 + 2 = –78 dBm
>>
>> Noise floor = –40
>> Sensitivity = –82
>> -40 – (-82) =42 dB
>> -40 + 42 = +2dBm  (Not sure I want to stand in front of the transmitter)
>>
>> Some simple algebra:
>>
>> Required RX signal =Noise floor + (Noise Floor – Sensitivity)
>>
>> - simplifying -
>>
>> RX signal = (2 * Noise floor )-Sensitivity
>>
>> So, every dB of  noise floor == 2dB of RX signal.
>>
>> Have I got this right Chuck?
>>
>>  *From:* Chuck Macenski 
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 11:25 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Af5
>>
>>
>> tl;dr...the natural noise floor for the band minus the sensitivity of
>> that band for a given modulation equals the signal needed over the noise
>> floor for a given modulation.
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Af5

So is there something similar to the Friis formula you can lay on us that takes 
thermal and interference into account and gives minimum RX levels needed?

From: Chuck Macenski 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 8:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Af5

The clean noise floor number is the thermal noise floor...

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 9:06 AM, Chuck Macenski  wrote:

  Hi, 

  I should learn to sleep at night and email during the day. The tl;dr should 
have read: Sensitivity for a Modulation Rate at a given bandwidth (from the 
spec sheet) minus the clean noise floor for that bandwidth (see below) equals 
the signal needed over the actual noise floor for a given modulation.

  A rough estimate for the clean noise floor would be (50MHz=-97dBm, 40=-98dBm, 
30=-99dBm, 20=-101dBm, 10=-104dBm).

  Chuck

  On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:39 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Noodling around with Chucks info:

Noise floor = –80
Sensitivity = –82
-80 – (-82) = 2 dB
RX signal required –80 + 2 = –78 dBm

Noise floor = –40
Sensitivity = –82
-40 – (-82) =42 dB
-40 + 42 = +2dBm  (Not sure I want to stand in front of the transmitter)

Some simple algebra:

Required RX signal =Noise floor + (Noise Floor – Sensitivity)

- simplifying -

RX signal = (2 * Noise floor )-Sensitivity

So, every dB of  noise floor == 2dB of RX signal.  

Have I got this right Chuck?

From: Chuck Macenski 
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 11:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Af5

tl;dr...the natural noise floor for the band minus the sensitivity of that 
band for a given modulation equals the signal needed over the noise floor for a 
given modulation.

Re: [AFMUG] Leasing vs Bank Loan

2015-01-13 Thread Travis Johnson


Hi,

First, you should know there are 3 different types of leases: $1 buyout, 
10% buyout and Fair Market Value buyout. The only one that you can use 
to deduct the entire payment as an expense each month is the Fair Market 
Value buyout. Both of the others, you still have to depreciate all the 
equipment because the IRS knows you are basically buying it.


We always did $1 buyout leases, 24 months with $0 up front, on all of 
our CPE when we were growing so quickly. The banks were much harder to 
deal with, and often wanted other assets in addition to the equipment we 
were buying. They will often attach themselves to your business (for 
example, they get claim on all your A/R if you miss a payment, etc.). 
They also sometimes want your checking account to be with them so they 
have some security that way.


Leasing companies are easy. They charge higher rates, but there are also 
tons of them out there, so it's easy to find new companies to get leases 
from... banks often only want to do 1-2 deals and then they are done. At 
one point, I think we had over 20 leases with about 8 different leasing 
companies. The trick is to buy enough equipment at a time that you get 
the quantity discount to justify the interest rate, so it comes out the 
same. We were buying 250 or 500 packs of CPE each lease ($100,000 
worth). Get 2 or 3 leasing quotes from different companies, and then 
play them against each other. You can often save some money that way, 
because they all want the business.


The thing I discovered over the 15+ years of leasing was we reached a 
key point in the business where we could just start buying our CPE. We 
had two leases pay off within a couple months of each other, and we had 
the cash flow, so we started buying 100 CPE each month. It was a very 
critical point in the business growth, and I seemed to have timed it 
perfectly, because we never ran out of cash (in fact, we always had at 
least 6 months worth of capital to cover our expenses).


Things to watch out for with leasing companies:

(1) Automatic renewals after the lease term is up. Some companies will 
just keep billing you the monthly payment if you don't notify them 90 
days before the term of the lease is up.

(2) Misc monthly fees and "payoff" numbers that are higher than quoted, etc.
(3) Sales tax. Make sure if they are collecting the sales tax on the 
purchase each month that they are actually reporting and paying it to 
your state.
(4) The worst company I ever dealt with in those 15+ years was Balboa 
Capital. We did over 50 leases during that time, and Balboa Capital was 
the only one we ever had a problem with. They have very fine print in 
their contracts, and they are very sneaky about what they try and get 
away with.


Good luck. It's the fastest way to grow a business and still stay 
profitable each month. :)


Travis

On 1/11/2015 8:34 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:

Hey guys,

As many of you have probably done, we're weighing the benefits and 
difficulties of lease-to-own and bank loans and trying to find what 
will be best for future growth. What I'm looking for is what each of 
you decide to use to fund growth and why you choose leasing vs getting 
a loan through a bank. Lease to own is basically like a bank loan but 
usually at a higher interest rate but they may be more inclined to 
lend than a bank for example.


I understand in our case that we can receive a better interest rate 
through a local bank but they make it a bit harder to borrow. I have 
not worked with a leasing company yet but from the sounds of it, they 
may be more likely to lend money for a successfully growing WISP. If 
you could leave a review from any lenders you have worked with, that 
would be great.


I'm not an accountant or tax person but with leasing, the payments 
should be 100% tax deductible where if we purchased the equipment 
outright, we have to depreciate it over it's life (3-5 years usually) 
so we would pay more in taxes every year by purchasing.


To sum it up, I'm looking for your thoughts on leasing-to-own vs. 
getting a bank loan and purchasing equipment and your favorite vendors 
you've worked with. Thank you all


--
Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com 
507-634-WiFi
 Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices

2015-01-13 Thread Vlad Sedov


$1.50 to $1.55 in oklahoma city.. crazy.

vlad

On 1/13/2015 9:32 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:
I never thought I would see gas prices this low. We have stations at 
$1.71/gallon in our area right now. :)


Travis

Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices

1.75 here in my area
On Jan 13, 2015 9:35 AM, "Vlad Sedov"  wrote:

> $1.50 to $1.55 in oklahoma city.. crazy.
>
> vlad
>
> On 1/13/2015 9:32 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:
>
>> I never thought I would see gas prices this low. We have stations at
>> $1.71/gallon in our area right now. :)
>>
>> Travis
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices

2015-01-13 Thread Josh Luthman

Same up here in Ohio.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 13, 2015 10:35 AM, "joseph marsh"  wrote:

> 1.75 here in my area
> On Jan 13, 2015 9:35 AM, "Vlad Sedov"  wrote:
>
>> $1.50 to $1.55 in oklahoma city.. crazy.
>>
>> vlad
>>
>> On 1/13/2015 9:32 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:
>>
>>> I never thought I would see gas prices this low. We have stations at
>>> $1.71/gallon in our area right now. :)
>>>
>>> Travis
>>>
>>
>>

[AFMUG] Gas Prices

2015-01-13 Thread Travis Johnson

I never thought I would see gas prices this low. We have stations at 
$1.71/gallon in our area right now. :)


Travis

[AFMUG] ISP Radio Wednesday -- Over the Top TV

2015-01-13 Thread Dennis Burgess

 
http://www.ispradio.com/images/ispLogoWoodWhite.PNGWednesday we will
have Nathan Stook from WISPerISP talking about Over the Top TV. 

 

Wednesday 11am CST

 

Don't forgot you can download the previous episodes to put on your media
player and listen while in your car free of charge by going to
 www.ispradio.com   Remember to sign into the
live chat to ask questions!You can find our Podcast on I-Tunes !

 

n  UPCOMMING SHOWS!

n  January 14th - Nathan Stooke from WISPERISP will be talking about
"Over the Top TV"

n  January 21st - Anand Buch CEO of Netsapiens

n  January 28th - Patrick Leary with Telrad

 

 

 

Dennis Burgess, Co-Host of ISP Radio!

  http://www.ispradio.com

Re: [AFMUG] Leasing vs Bank Loan

Now there is a gold nugget to archive.

From: Travis Johnson 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 8:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Leasing vs Bank Loan

Hi,

First, you should know there are 3 different types of leases: $1 buyout, 10% 
buyout and Fair Market Value buyout. The only one that you can use to deduct 
the entire payment as an expense each month is the Fair Market Value buyout. 
Both of the others, you still have to depreciate all the equipment because the 
IRS knows you are basically buying it.

We always did $1 buyout leases, 24 months with $0 up front, on all of our CPE 
when we were growing so quickly. The banks were much harder to deal with, and 
often wanted other assets in addition to the equipment we were buying. They 
will often attach themselves to your business (for example, they get claim on 
all your A/R if you miss a payment, etc.). They also sometimes want your 
checking account to be with them so they have some security that way.

Leasing companies are easy. They charge higher rates, but there are also tons 
of them out there, so it's easy to find new companies to get leases from... 
banks often only want to do 1-2 deals and then they are done. At one point, I 
think we had over 20 leases with about 8 different leasing companies. The trick 
is to buy enough equipment at a time that you get the quantity discount to 
justify the interest rate, so it comes out the same. We were buying 250 or 500 
packs of CPE each lease ($100,000 worth). Get 2 or 3 leasing quotes from 
different companies, and then play them against each other. You can often save 
some money that way, because they all want the business.

The thing I discovered over the 15+ years of leasing was we reached a key point 
in the business where we could just start buying our CPE. We had two leases pay 
off within a couple months of each other, and we had the cash flow, so we 
started buying 100 CPE each month. It was a very critical point in the business 
growth, and I seemed to have timed it perfectly, because we never ran out of 
cash (in fact, we always had at least 6 months worth of capital to cover our 
expenses).

Things to watch out for with leasing companies:

(1) Automatic renewals after the lease term is up. Some companies will just 
keep billing you the monthly payment if you don't notify them 90 days before 
the term of the lease is up.
(2) Misc monthly fees and "payoff" numbers that are higher than quoted, etc.
(3) Sales tax. Make sure if they are collecting the sales tax on the purchase 
each month that they are actually reporting and paying it to your state.
(4) The worst company I ever dealt with in those 15+ years was Balboa Capital. 
We did over 50 leases during that time, and Balboa Capital was the only one we 
ever had a problem with. They have very fine print in their contracts, and they 
are very sneaky about what they try and get away with.

Good luck. It's the fastest way to grow a business and still stay profitable 
each month. :)

Travis

On 1/11/2015 8:34 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:

  Hey guys, 

  As many of you have probably done, we're weighing the benefits and 
difficulties of lease-to-own and bank loans and trying to find what will be 
best for future growth. What I'm looking for is what each of you decide to use 
to fund growth and why you choose leasing vs getting a loan through a bank. 
Lease to own is basically like a bank loan but usually at a higher interest 
rate but they may be more inclined to lend than a bank for example.

  I understand in our case that we can receive a better interest rate through a 
local bank but they make it a bit harder to borrow. I have not worked with a 
leasing company yet but from the sounds of it, they may be more likely to lend 
money for a successfully growing WISP. If you could leave a review from any 
lenders you have worked with, that would be great. 

  I'm not an accountant or tax person but with leasing, the payments should be 
100% tax deductible where if we purchased the equipment outright, we have to 
depreciate it over it's life (3-5 years usually) so we would pay more in taxes 
every year by purchasing.

  To sum it up, I'm looking for your thoughts on leasing-to-own vs. getting a 
bank loan and purchasing equipment and your favorite vendors you've worked 
with. Thank you all

  -- 

  Darin Steffl 
  Minnesota WiFi
  www.mnwifi.com
  507-634-WiFi
   Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

2015-01-13 Thread Jaime Solorza

Wyndam in Midland uses UniFi AC and it worked well.   The local reservation
casino is implementing it as well after testing Cisco and few others.

Jaime Solorza
On Jan 13, 2015 7:51 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

>  Xirrus.  More granular packet control.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 13, 2015 7:47 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>
>
>
> Meraki
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
>
> President
>
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>
> www.aeronetpr.com
>
> @aeronetpr
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *joseph marsh 
> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Date: *Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 10:43 AM
> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>
>
>
> Doing WiFi for a restaurantwhat would be good for deploying WiFi
>
> Ubnt unifi, meraki or something else?
>

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant


Gino,

What do like (and dislike?) about Meraki, and which others have you tried?

bp


On 1/13/2015 6:47 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:

Meraki



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: joseph marsh >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com " >

Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 10:43 AM
To: "af@afmug.com " >

Subject: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

Doing WiFi for a restaurantwhat would be good for deploying WiFi

Ubnt unifi, meraki or something else?

Re: [AFMUG] Leasing vs Bank Loan

2015-01-13 Thread Ken Hohhof

I find equipment leases are like marriages for some people.

You start out all optimistic about the future, with this shiny new equipment to 
play with.  But 3 years later it feels so good to make the last payment and get 
your freedom back.  Then in a year or two, you do it all over again.

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Leasing vs Bank Loan

Now there is a gold nugget to archive.

From: Travis Johnson 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 8:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Leasing vs Bank Loan

Hi,

First, you should know there are 3 different types of leases: $1 buyout, 10% 
buyout and Fair Market Value buyout. The only one that you can use to deduct 
the entire payment as an expense each month is the Fair Market Value buyout. 
Both of the others, you still have to depreciate all the equipment because the 
IRS knows you are basically buying it.

We always did $1 buyout leases, 24 months with $0 up front, on all of our CPE 
when we were growing so quickly. The banks were much harder to deal with, and 
often wanted other assets in addition to the equipment we were buying. They 
will often attach themselves to your business (for example, they get claim on 
all your A/R if you miss a payment, etc.). They also sometimes want your 
checking account to be with them so they have some security that way.

Leasing companies are easy. They charge higher rates, but there are also tons 
of them out there, so it's easy to find new companies to get leases from... 
banks often only want to do 1-2 deals and then they are done. At one point, I 
think we had over 20 leases with about 8 different leasing companies. The trick 
is to buy enough equipment at a time that you get the quantity discount to 
justify the interest rate, so it comes out the same. We were buying 250 or 500 
packs of CPE each lease ($100,000 worth). Get 2 or 3 leasing quotes from 
different companies, and then play them against each other. You can often save 
some money that way, because they all want the business.

The thing I discovered over the 15+ years of leasing was we reached a key point 
in the business where we could just start buying our CPE. We had two leases pay 
off within a couple months of each other, and we had the cash flow, so we 
started buying 100 CPE each month. It was a very critical point in the business 
growth, and I seemed to have timed it perfectly, because we never ran out of 
cash (in fact, we always had at least 6 months worth of capital to cover our 
expenses).

Things to watch out for with leasing companies:

(1) Automatic renewals after the lease term is up. Some companies will just 
keep billing you the monthly payment if you don't notify them 90 days before 
the term of the lease is up.
(2) Misc monthly fees and "payoff" numbers that are higher than quoted, etc.
(3) Sales tax. Make sure if they are collecting the sales tax on the purchase 
each month that they are actually reporting and paying it to your state.
(4) The worst company I ever dealt with in those 15+ years was Balboa Capital. 
We did over 50 leases during that time, and Balboa Capital was the only one we 
ever had a problem with. They have very fine print in their contracts, and they 
are very sneaky about what they try and get away with.

Good luck. It's the fastest way to grow a business and still stay profitable 
each month. :)

Travis

On 1/11/2015 8:34 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:

  Hey guys, 

  As many of you have probably done, we're weighing the benefits and 
difficulties of lease-to-own and bank loans and trying to find what will be 
best for future growth. What I'm looking for is what each of you decide to use 
to fund growth and why you choose leasing vs getting a loan through a bank. 
Lease to own is basically like a bank loan but usually at a higher interest 
rate but they may be more inclined to lend than a bank for example.

  I understand in our case that we can receive a better interest rate through a 
local bank but they make it a bit harder to borrow. I have not worked with a 
leasing company yet but from the sounds of it, they may be more likely to lend 
money for a successfully growing WISP. If you could leave a review from any 
lenders you have worked with, that would be great. 

  I'm not an accountant or tax person but with leasing, the payments should be 
100% tax deductible where if we purchased the equipment outright, we have to 
depreciate it over it's life (3-5 years usually) so we would pay more in taxes 
every year by purchasing.

  To sum it up, I'm looking for your thoughts on leasing-to-own vs. getting a 
bank loan and purchasing equipment and your favorite vendors you've worked 
with. Thank you all

  -- 

  Darin Steffl 
  Minnesota WiFi
  www.mnwifi.com
  507-634-WiFi
   Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices

2015-01-13 Thread Jeremy

Thanks Obama!  (he gets blamed for EVERYTHING, right??)

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Same up here in Ohio.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Jan 13, 2015 10:35 AM, "joseph marsh"  wrote:
>
>> 1.75 here in my area
>> On Jan 13, 2015 9:35 AM, "Vlad Sedov"  wrote:
>>
>>> $1.50 to $1.55 in oklahoma city.. crazy.
>>>
>>> vlad
>>>
>>> On 1/13/2015 9:32 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:
>>>
 I never thought I would see gas prices this low. We have stations at
 $1.71/gallon in our area right now. :)

 Travis

>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

Isnt unifi a bitch to set up with software?
On Jan 13, 2015 9:51 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Wyndam in Midland uses UniFi AC and it worked well.   The local
> reservation casino is implementing it as well after testing Cisco and few
> others.
>
> Jaime Solorza
> On Jan 13, 2015 7:51 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>
>>  Xirrus.  More granular packet control.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 13, 2015 7:47 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>>
>>
>>
>> Meraki
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>>
>> President
>>
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>
>> www.aeronetpr.com
>>
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *joseph marsh 
>> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
>> *Date: *Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 10:43 AM
>> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>>
>>
>>
>> Doing WiFi for a restaurantwhat would be good for deploying WiFi
>>
>> Ubnt unifi, meraki or something else?
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices

He¹s alive!



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com  
@aeronetpr






On 1/13/15, 11:32 AM, "Travis Johnson"  wrote:

>I never thought I would see gas prices this low. We have stations at
>$1.71/gallon in our area right now. :)
>
>Travis

Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices

2015-01-13 Thread Mathew Howard

It finally just made it under $2 here... $1.97.

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 9:41 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Same up here in Ohio.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Jan 13, 2015 10:35 AM, "joseph marsh"  wrote:
>
>> 1.75 here in my area
>> On Jan 13, 2015 9:35 AM, "Vlad Sedov"  wrote:
>>
>>> $1.50 to $1.55 in oklahoma city.. crazy.
>>>
>>> vlad
>>>
>>> On 1/13/2015 9:32 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:
>>>
 I never thought I would see gas prices this low. We have stations at
 $1.71/gallon in our area right now. :)

 Travis

>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices


Only the bad stuff.

We give all the good stuff to Mitch McConnell.

bp


On 1/13/2015 7:54 AM, Jeremy wrote:

Thanks Obama!  (he gets blamed for EVERYTHING, right??)

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:


Same up here in Ohio.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jan 13, 2015 10:35 AM, "joseph marsh" mailto:bwireless...@gmail.com>> wrote:

1.75 here in my area

On Jan 13, 2015 9:35 AM, "Vlad Sedov" mailto:v...@atlasok.com>> wrote:

$1.50 to $1.55 in oklahoma city.. crazy.

vlad

On 1/13/2015 9:32 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:

I never thought I would see gas prices this low. We
have stations at $1.71/gallon in our area right now. :)

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

Mostly like the units, great feature sets all managed by cloud.

If you manage multiple networks, you can do it all from a centralized 
dashboard.  You can make changes to a single AP o to the whole network on a 
fly.  Lots of billing/authentication options.  Firewall and QOS also a plus 
with very granular application control (layer 7)

I only dislike the premiun price…



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 11:53 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

Gino,

What do like (and dislike?) about Meraki, and which others have you tried?


bp




On 1/13/2015 6:47 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
Meraki



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com ï¿1Ž2ï¿1Ž2
@aeronetpr



From: joseph marsh mailto:bwireless...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 10:43 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant


Doing WiFi for a restaurantï¿1Ž2ï¿1Ž2ï¿1Ž2 what would be good for deploying 
WiFiï¿1Ž2

Ubnt unifi, meraki or something else?

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant


Well... They are part of Cisco; which might be spelled Ci$co.   ;-)

bp


On 1/13/2015 7:59 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:

Mostly like the units, great feature sets all managed by cloud.

If you manage multiple networks, you can do it all from a centralized 
dashboard.  You can make changes to a single AP o to the whole network 
on a fly.  Lots of billing/authentication options.  Firewall and QOS 
also a plus with very granular application control (layer 7)


I only dislike the premiun priceï¿½



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com " >

Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 11:53 AM
To: "af@afmug.com " >

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

Gino,

What do like (and dislike?) about Meraki, and which others have you tried?

bp


On 1/13/2015 6:47 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:

Meraki



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com ï¿½1ï¿½2ï¿½1ï¿½2
@aeronetpr



From: joseph marsh >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com " >

Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 10:43 AM
To: "af@afmug.com " >

Subject: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

Doing WiFi for a restaurantï¿½1ï¿½2ï¿½1ï¿½2ï¿½1ï¿½2 what would be good for 
deploying WiFiï¿½1ï¿½2


Ubnt unifi, meraki or something else?

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

2015-01-13 Thread Cameron Crum

Unifi is not hard to set up at all. I put about 20 of them in my kid's
school and it works great. VLAN'd 3 separate networks, one for teachers,
one for students, and one for guests. I don't use the payments stuff of
course and access is still controlled by a CCR behind it all, but it has
not even had so much as a hiccup in over a year since it went in. This is
not even the enterprise version as it was not out yet when I put the system
in.

Cameron

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:

>  Gino,
>
> What do like (and dislike?) about Meraki, and which others have you tried?
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 1/13/2015 6:47 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>
>  Meraki
>
>
>
>  Gino A. Villarini
> President
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> www.aeronetpr.com ï¿½ï¿½
> @aeronetpr
>
>
>
>   From: joseph marsh 
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 10:43 AM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>
>   Doing WiFi for a restaurantï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ what would be good for deploying
> WiFiï¿½
>
> Ubnt unifi, meraki or something else?
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Who needs 4-wheel drive work truck

Nice
On Jan 10, 2015 1:44 PM, "Jeremy"  wrote:

> Awesome!
>
> On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 11:19 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> The rancher who leased us space on his land for our tower used this Ford
>> Model A to lead our Jeep to the top of the Hill where our tower now
>> stands.  He uses this particular Model A to mend fence on his ranch.  Back
>> at his barn he had about 20 model A's that he collected over the years.
>> This one is pretty much all original and showed our Jeep how it's done haha.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 8:54 AM, Rory Conaway 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  Just find an old 1920’s Dodge.  One of the toughest trucks ever
>>> built.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/embed/nq2jY1trxqg?rel=0
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory Conaway
>>>
>>> Triad Wireless
>>>
>>> 4226 S. 37th Street
>>>
>>> Phoenix, Az.  85040
>>>
>>> 602-426-0542
>>>
>>> r...@triadwireless.net
>>>
>>> www.triadwireless.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices

I wonder what is really driving the price down.  Fracking, OPEC diaspora, CAFE 
improvements, Russia problems ???

From: Jeremy 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 8:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices

Thanks Obama!  (he gets blamed for EVERYTHING, right??)

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

  Same up here in Ohio.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Jan 13, 2015 10:35 AM, "joseph marsh"  wrote:

1.75 here in my area

On Jan 13, 2015 9:35 AM, "Vlad Sedov"  wrote:

  $1.50 to $1.55 in oklahoma city.. crazy.

  vlad

  On 1/13/2015 9:32 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:

I never thought I would see gas prices this low. We have stations at 
$1.71/gallon in our area right now. :)

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

As recently seen on Facebook, " 
If you feel like purchasing Meraki, swing a bat at your genitals and try again. 
" 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: "joseph marsh"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 8:43:04 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant 


Doing WiFi for a restaurant what would be good for deploying WiFi 
Ubnt unifi, meraki or something else?

Re: [AFMUG] Leasing vs Bank Loan

2015-01-13 Thread Josh Luthman

I'm pretty sure that's been said identically in the past.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 13, 2015 10:43 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

>   Now there is a gold nugget to archive.
>
>  *From:* Travis Johnson 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 13, 2015 8:33 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Leasing vs Bank Loan
>
> Hi,
>
> First, you should know there are 3 different types of leases: $1 buyout,
> 10% buyout and Fair Market Value buyout. The only one that you can use to
> deduct the entire payment as an expense each month is the Fair Market Value
> buyout. Both of the others, you still have to depreciate all the equipment
> because the IRS knows you are basically buying it.
>
> We always did $1 buyout leases, 24 months with $0 up front, on all of our
> CPE when we were growing so quickly. The banks were much harder to deal
> with, and often wanted other assets in addition to the equipment we were
> buying. They will often attach themselves to your business (for example,
> they get claim on all your A/R if you miss a payment, etc.). They also
> sometimes want your checking account to be with them so they have some
> security that way.
>
> Leasing companies are easy. They charge higher rates, but there are also
> tons of them out there, so it's easy to find new companies to get leases
> from... banks often only want to do 1-2 deals and then they are done. At
> one point, I think we had over 20 leases with about 8 different leasing
> companies. The trick is to buy enough equipment at a time that you get the
> quantity discount to justify the interest rate, so it comes out the same.
> We were buying 250 or 500 packs of CPE each lease ($100,000 worth). Get 2
> or 3 leasing quotes from different companies, and then play them against
> each other. You can often save some money that way, because they all want
> the business.
>
> The thing I discovered over the 15+ years of leasing was we reached a key
> point in the business where we could just start buying our CPE. We had two
> leases pay off within a couple months of each other, and we had the cash
> flow, so we started buying 100 CPE each month. It was a very critical point
> in the business growth, and I seemed to have timed it perfectly, because we
> never ran out of cash (in fact, we always had at least 6 months worth of
> capital to cover our expenses).
>
> Things to watch out for with leasing companies:
>
> (1) Automatic renewals after the lease term is up. Some companies will
> just keep billing you the monthly payment if you don't notify them 90 days
> before the term of the lease is up.
> (2) Misc monthly fees and "payoff" numbers that are higher than quoted,
> etc.
> (3) Sales tax. Make sure if they are collecting the sales tax on the
> purchase each month that they are actually reporting and paying it to your
> state.
> (4) The worst company I ever dealt with in those 15+ years was Balboa
> Capital. We did over 50 leases during that time, and Balboa Capital was the
> only one we ever had a problem with. They have very fine print in their
> contracts, and they are very sneaky about what they try and get away with.
>
> Good luck. It's the fastest way to grow a business and still stay
> profitable each month. :)
>
> Travis
>
> On 1/11/2015 8:34 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
>
> As many of you have probably done, we're weighing the benefits and
> difficulties of lease-to-own and bank loans and trying to find what will be
> best for future growth. What I'm looking for is what each of you decide to
> use to fund growth and why you choose leasing vs getting a loan through a
> bank. Lease to own is basically like a bank loan but usually at a higher
> interest rate but they may be more inclined to lend than a bank for example.
>
> I understand in our case that we can receive a better interest rate
> through a local bank but they make it a bit harder to borrow. I have not
> worked with a leasing company yet but from the sounds of it, they may be
> more likely to lend money for a successfully growing WISP. If you could
> leave a review from any lenders you have worked with, that would be great.
>
> I'm not an accountant or tax person but with leasing, the payments should
> be 100% tax deductible where if we purchased the equipment outright, we
> have to depreciate it over it's life (3-5 years usually) so we would pay
> more in taxes every year by purchasing.
>
> To sum it up, I'm looking for your thoughts on leasing-to-own vs. getting
> a bank loan and purchasing equipment and your favorite vendors you've
> worked with. Thank you all
>
> --
>  Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com
> 507-634-WiFi
>   Like us on Facebook
> 
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

Not really? All of the ones I setup I don't recall there being any issues... 
even with the original software releases. 

That said, the fast handoff isn't as good as what you're going to get from 
Ruckus or Xirrus. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: "joseph marsh"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:53:04 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant 


Isnt unifi a bitch to set up with software? 
On Jan 13, 2015 9:51 AM, "Jaime Solorza" < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > wrote: 



Wyndam in Midland uses UniFi AC and it worked well. The local reservation 
casino is implementing it as well after testing Cisco and few others. 
Jaime Solorza 
On Jan 13, 2015 7:51 AM, "Rory Conaway" < r...@triadwireless.net > wrote: 





Xirrus. More granular packet control. 

Rory 



From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 7:47 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant 




Meraki 








Gino A. Villarini 

President 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 

www.aeronetpr.com 

@aeronetpr 







From: joseph marsh < bwireless...@gmail.com > 
Reply-To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 10:43 AM 
To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Subject: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant 




Doing WiFi for a restaurant what would be good for deploying WiFi 
Ubnt unifi, meraki or something else?

Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices

2015-01-13 Thread Mark Radabaugh

Small oversupply.   Lot’s of new supply coming on the market.   A big incentive 
for OPEC to drive the price down in order to shut down the fracking wells that 
cost more than $50 to operate.  

Geopolitics also plays into it - it gives a big headache to Iran, Venezuela, 
Russia, Syria, etc. 

OPEC could make it go away, but there is no incentive for them to do so until 
they succeed in bankrupting a bunch of other producers.

Mark

> On Jan 13, 2015, at 11:03 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> I wonder what is really driving the price down.  Fracking, OPEC diaspora, 
> CAFE improvements, Russia problems ???
>  
> From: Jeremy 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 8:54 AM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices
>  
> Thanks Obama!  (he gets blamed for EVERYTHING, right??)
>  
> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>> Same up here in Ohio.
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Jan 13, 2015 10:35 AM, "joseph marsh" > > wrote:
>>> 1.75 here in my area
>>> On Jan 13, 2015 9:35 AM, "Vlad Sedov" >> > wrote:
 $1.50 to $1.55 in oklahoma city.. crazy.

 vlad

 On 1/13/2015 9:32 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:
> I never thought I would see gas prices this low. We have stations at 
> $1.71/gallon in our area right now. :)
> 
> Travis

> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mounting 2.4 ePMP with dishes


Jay,

Find a distributor who sells supplies for Dish Network installs. Ask 
about masts for the 1000.4 dish.  They have one that's the normal size 
you're used to but made with heavier gauge steel.  They also have one 
with struts like you're talking about.  The one with struts is the older 
versionsupposedly the one with heavier steel is equal strength.  
1000.4 dishes are about the same size as the beehive SLand slightly 
bigger than KP Performance.


That's my 2c


As we begin deploying 2.4 ePMP it looks like we will need to use 
dishes on a number of customers. Since I don't think the basic mounts 
that we've used for yagis will hold up to the wind load we'll need to 
go with heavier duty mounts with the brace arms.  Does anyone have 
vendor or product recommendation for mounting brackets with brace 
arms?  Best practice recommendations?

Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices

2015-01-13 Thread Cameron Crum

Here's an interesting article on it.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/columnist/bartiromo/2015/01/11/bartiromo-saudi-prince-alwaleed-oil-100-barrel/21484911/

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

>   I wonder what is really driving the price down.  Fracking, OPEC
> diaspora, CAFE improvements, Russia problems ???
>
>  *From:* Jeremy 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 13, 2015 8:54 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices
>
>  Thanks Obama!  (he gets blamed for EVERYTHING, right??)
>
> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> Same up here in Ohio.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>  On Jan 13, 2015 10:35 AM, "joseph marsh"  wrote:
>>
>>> 1.75 here in my area
>>> On Jan 13, 2015 9:35 AM, "Vlad Sedov"  wrote:
>>>
 $1.50 to $1.55 in oklahoma city.. crazy.

 vlad

 On 1/13/2015 9:32 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:

> I never thought I would see gas prices this low. We have stations at
> $1.71/gallon in our area right now. :)
>
> Travis
>


>

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

2015-01-13 Thread Cameron Crum

I wonder how much hand off is happening at all in a restaurant?

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Not really? All of the ones I setup I don't recall there being any
> issues...  even with the original software releases.
>
> That said, the fast handoff isn't as good as what you're going to get from
> Ruckus or Xirrus.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> --
> *From: *"joseph marsh" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:53:04 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>
> Isnt unifi a bitch to set up with software?
> On Jan 13, 2015 9:51 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> Wyndam in Midland uses UniFi AC and it worked well.   The local
>> reservation casino is implementing it as well after testing Cisco and few
>> others.
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> On Jan 13, 2015 7:51 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>>
>>>  Xirrus.  More granular packet control.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 13, 2015 7:47 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Meraki
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>>
>>> President
>>>
>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>>
>>> www.aeronetpr.com
>>>
>>> @aeronetpr
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *joseph marsh 
>>> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
>>> *Date: *Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 10:43 AM
>>> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Doing WiFi for a restaurantwhat would be good for deploying WiFi
>>>
>>> Ubnt unifi, meraki or something else?
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

Was just speaking regarding the platform as a whole. 

Depends on how large the restaurant is. I've been to a few that'd need more 
than one AP. ;-) 

If you need more than one AP and you have mobile\nomadic users, fast handoff is 
a nice feature to have. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: "Cameron Crum"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 10:14:36 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant 


I wonder how much hand off is happening at all in a restaurant? 


On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Not really? All of the ones I setup I don't recall there being any issues... 
even with the original software releases. 

That said, the fast handoff isn't as good as what you're going to get from 
Ruckus or Xirrus. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 





From: "joseph marsh" < bwireless...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:53:04 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant 


Isnt unifi a bitch to set up with software? 
On Jan 13, 2015 9:51 AM, "Jaime Solorza" < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > wrote: 



Wyndam in Midland uses UniFi AC and it worked well. The local reservation 
casino is implementing it as well after testing Cisco and few others. 
Jaime Solorza 
On Jan 13, 2015 7:51 AM, "Rory Conaway" < r...@triadwireless.net > wrote: 





Xirrus. More granular packet control. 

Rory 



From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 7:47 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant 




Meraki 








Gino A. Villarini 

President 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 

www.aeronetpr.com 

@aeronetpr 







From: joseph marsh < bwireless...@gmail.com > 
Reply-To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 10:43 AM 
To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Subject: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant 




Doing WiFi for a restaurant what would be good for deploying WiFi 
Ubnt unifi, meraki or something else?

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

2015-01-13 Thread Jay Weekley

The problem I have with Unifi is there really isn't a stand alone 
feature that doesn't require a controller that I know of.  I would like 
the option of logging in locally, changing a few settings, and moving on.


Cameron Crum wrote:
Unifi is not hard to set up at all. I put about 20 of them in my kid's 
school and it works great. VLAN'd 3 separate networks, one for 
teachers, one for students, and one for guests. I don't use the 
payments stuff of course and access is still controlled by a CCR 
behind it all, but it has not even had so much as a hiccup in over a 
year since it went in. This is not even the enterprise version as it 
was not out yet when I put the system in.


Cameron

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Bill Prince > wrote:


Gino,

What do like (and dislike?) about Meraki, and which others have
you tried?

bp


On 1/13/2015 6:47 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:

Meraki



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com  ï¿½ï¿½
@aeronetpr



From: joseph marsh mailto:bwireless...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com " mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 10:43 AM
To: "af@afmug.com " mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

Doing WiFi for a restaurantï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ what would be good for
deploying WiFiï¿½

Ubnt unifi, meraki or something else?

Re: [AFMUG] Mounting 2.4 ePMP with dishes

2015-01-13 Thread Jay Weekley


Do you use those?

Adam Moffett wrote:

Jay,

Find a distributor who sells supplies for Dish Network installs. Ask 
about masts for the 1000.4 dish.  They have one that's the normal size 
you're used to but made with heavier gauge steel. They also have one 
with struts like you're talking about.  The one with struts is the 
older versionsupposedly the one with heavier steel is equal 
strength.  1000.4 dishes are about the same size as the beehive 
SLand slightly bigger than KP Performance.


That's my 2c


As we begin deploying 2.4 ePMP it looks like we will need to use 
dishes on a number of customers. Since I don't think the basic mounts 
that we've used for yagis will hold up to the wind load we'll need to 
go with heavier duty mounts with the brace arms.  Does anyone have 
vendor or product recommendation for mounting brackets with brace 
arms?  Best practice recommendations?

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

So log into the management server, change a few settings and move on? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: "Jay Weekley"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 10:18:47 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant 

The problem I have with Unifi is there really isn't a stand alone 
feature that doesn't require a controller that I know of. I would like 
the option of logging in locally, changing a few settings, and moving on. 

Cameron Crum wrote: 
> Unifi is not hard to set up at all. I put about 20 of them in my kid's 
> school and it works great. VLAN'd 3 separate networks, one for 
> teachers, one for students, and one for guests. I don't use the 
> payments stuff of course and access is still controlled by a CCR 
> behind it all, but it has not even had so much as a hiccup in over a 
> year since it went in. This is not even the enterprise version as it 
> was not out yet when I put the system in. 
> 
> Cameron 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Bill Prince  > wrote: 
> 
> Gino, 
> 
> What do like (and dislike?) about Meraki, and which others have 
> you tried? 
> 
> bp 
>  
> 
> On 1/13/2015 6:47 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: 
>> Meraki 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Gino A. Villarini 
>> President 
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 
>> www.aeronetpr.com  ï¿½ï¿½ 
>> @aeronetpr 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: joseph marsh > > 
>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com " > > 
>> Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 10:43 AM 
>> To: "af@afmug.com " > > 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant 
>> 
>> Doing WiFi for a restaurantï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ what would be good for 
>> deploying WiFiï¿½ 
>> 
>> Ubnt unifi, meraki or something else? 
>> 
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

But you don't have to have a controller on site.  You also can use one
controller for many instances.

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Jay Weekley 
wrote:

> The problem I have with Unifi is there really isn't a stand alone feature
> that doesn't require a controller that I know of.  I would like the option
> of logging in locally, changing a few settings, and moving on.
>
> Cameron Crum wrote:
>
>> Unifi is not hard to set up at all. I put about 20 of them in my kid's
>> school and it works great. VLAN'd 3 separate networks, one for teachers,
>> one for students, and one for guests. I don't use the payments stuff of
>> course and access is still controlled by a CCR behind it all, but it has
>> not even had so much as a hiccup in over a year since it went in. This is
>> not even the enterprise version as it was not out yet when I put the system
>> in.
>>
>> Cameron
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Bill Prince > > wrote:
>>
>> Gino,
>>
>> What do like (and dislike?) about Meraki, and which others have
>> you tried?
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 1/13/2015 6:47 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>>
>>> Meraki
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>> President
>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>> www.aeronetpr.com  ï¿½ï¿½
>>> @aeronetpr
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: joseph marsh >> >
>>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com " >> >
>>> Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 10:43 AM
>>> To: "af@afmug.com " >> >
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>>>
>>> Doing WiFi for a restaurantï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ what would be good for
>>> deploying WiFiï¿½
>>>
>>> Ubnt unifi, meraki or something else?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

2015-01-13 Thread Jerry Richardson

If there is a better value than unifi I don't know what it is.

Jerry Richardson
airCloud Communications

> On Jan 13, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
> 
> Unifi is not hard to set up at all. I put about 20 of them in my kid's school 
> and it works great. VLAN'd 3 separate networks, one for teachers, one for 
> students, and one for guests. I don't use the payments stuff of course and 
> access is still controlled by a CCR behind it all, but it has not even had so 
> much as a hiccup in over a year since it went in. This is not even the 
> enterprise version as it was not out yet when I put the system in.
> 
> Cameron
> 
>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>> Gino,
>> 
>> What do like (and dislike?) about Meraki, and which others have you tried?
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>> 
>>> On 1/13/2015 6:47 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>>> Meraki
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>> President
>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>> www.aeronetpr.com ï¿½ï¿½
>>> @aeronetpr
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: joseph marsh 
>>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 10:43 AM
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>>> 
>>> Doing WiFi for a restaurantï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ what would be good for deploying 
>>> WiFiï¿½
>>> 
>>> Ubnt unifi, meraki or something else?
>>> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

2015-01-13 Thread Daniel White

The new Xclaim AP's are designed for this type of environment.  Get the Ruckus 
RF engineering technology with the coffee shop type price.

Installing one in our new office... will have my hands on it on Friday.  Only 
need a single AP... and of course it will be lightly loaded (mostly for cell 
phones,etc... computers are hardwired typically).

Got mine from JR at WAV - good price on those units too.

Daniel White – Managing Director
SAF North America LLC

Cell:  (303) 746-3590
Skype: danieldwhite
daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com 

   
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:19 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
> 
> The problem I have with Unifi is there really isn't a stand alone feature that
> doesn't require a controller that I know of.  I would like the option of 
> logging
> in locally, changing a few settings, and moving on.
> 
> Cameron Crum wrote:
> > Unifi is not hard to set up at all. I put about 20 of them in my kid's
> > school and it works great. VLAN'd 3 separate networks, one for
> > teachers, one for students, and one for guests. I don't use the
> > payments stuff of course and access is still controlled by a CCR
> > behind it all, but it has not even had so much as a hiccup in over a
> > year since it went in. This is not even the enterprise version as it
> > was not out yet when I put the system in.
> >
> > Cameron
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Bill Prince  > > wrote:
> >
> > Gino,
> >
> > What do like (and dislike?) about Meraki, and which others have
> > you tried?
> >
> > bp
> > 
> >
> > On 1/13/2015 6:47 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
> >> Meraki
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Gino A. Villarini
> >> President
> >> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> >> www.aeronetpr.com  ï¿½ï¿½
> >> @aeronetpr
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: joseph marsh  >> >
> >> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com "  >> >
> >> Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 10:43 AM
> >> To: "af@afmug.com "  >> >
> >> Subject: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
> >>
> >> Doing WiFi for a restaurantï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ what would be good for
> >> deploying WiFiï¿½
> >>
> >> Ubnt unifi, meraki or something else?
> >>
> >
> >

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

2015-01-13 Thread Darin Steffl

We also ordered a few Xclaim AP's and they seem to be performing really
well and at a great price as well.

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Daniel White  wrote:

> The new Xclaim AP's are designed for this type of environment.  Get the
> Ruckus RF engineering technology with the coffee shop type price.
>
> Installing one in our new office... will have my hands on it on Friday.
> Only need a single AP... and of course it will be lightly loaded (mostly
> for cell phones,etc... computers are hardwired typically).
>
> Got mine from JR at WAV - good price on those units too.
>
> Daniel White – Managing Director
> SAF North America LLC
>
> Cell:  (303) 746-3590
> Skype: danieldwhite
> daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:19 AM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
> >
> > The problem I have with Unifi is there really isn't a stand alone
> feature that
> > doesn't require a controller that I know of.  I would like the option of
> logging
> > in locally, changing a few settings, and moving on.
> >
> > Cameron Crum wrote:
> > > Unifi is not hard to set up at all. I put about 20 of them in my kid's
> > > school and it works great. VLAN'd 3 separate networks, one for
> > > teachers, one for students, and one for guests. I don't use the
> > > payments stuff of course and access is still controlled by a CCR
> > > behind it all, but it has not even had so much as a hiccup in over a
> > > year since it went in. This is not even the enterprise version as it
> > > was not out yet when I put the system in.
> > >
> > > Cameron
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Bill Prince  > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Gino,
> > >
> > > What do like (and dislike?) about Meraki, and which others have
> > > you tried?
> > >
> > > bp
> > > 
> > >
> > > On 1/13/2015 6:47 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
> > >> Meraki
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Gino A. Villarini
> > >> President
> > >> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> > >> www.aeronetpr.com  ï¿½ï¿½
> > >> @aeronetpr
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> From: joseph marsh  > >> >
> > >> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com "  > >> >
> > >> Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 10:43 AM
> > >> To: "af@afmug.com "  > >> >
> > >> Subject: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
> > >>
> > >> Doing WiFi for a restaurantï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ what would be good for
> > >> deploying WiFiï¿½
> > >>
> > >> Ubnt unifi, meraki or something else?
> > >>
> > >
> > >
>
>


-- 
Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
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Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices

It's Saudi Arabia trying to squeeze out all the marginal producers.  
Initially it will be Russia and some of the other marginals like Iraq & 
Iran.


Pretty sure the shale oil and tar sands guys are hurting big time right now.

bp


On 1/13/2015 8:03 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I wonder what is really driving the price down. Fracking, OPEC 
diaspora, CAFE improvements, Russia problems ???

*From:* Jeremy 
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 13, 2015 8:54 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices
Thanks Obama!  (he gets blamed for EVERYTHING, right??)
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:


Same up here in Ohio.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jan 13, 2015 10:35 AM, "joseph marsh" mailto:bwireless...@gmail.com>> wrote:

1.75 here in my area

On Jan 13, 2015 9:35 AM, "Vlad Sedov" mailto:v...@atlasok.com>> wrote:

$1.50 to $1.55 in oklahoma city.. crazy.

vlad

On 1/13/2015 9:32 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:

I never thought I would see gas prices this low. We
have stations at $1.71/gallon in our area right now. :)

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] Mounting 2.4 ePMP with dishes



My previous employer bought the Dish Network mounts, yes.  The Dish 
1000.4 mounts are a little more expensive, but if you want something 
more rugged, that's the way to go.  Mounts for the Dish 500 are similar 
to what's included with the KP dish.




Do you use those?

Adam Moffett wrote:

Jay,

Find a distributor who sells supplies for Dish Network installs. Ask 
about masts for the 1000.4 dish.  They have one that's the normal 
size you're used to but made with heavier gauge steel. They also have 
one with struts like you're talking about.  The one with struts is 
the older versionsupposedly the one with heavier steel is equal 
strength.  1000.4 dishes are about the same size as the beehive 
SLand slightly bigger than KP Performance.


That's my 2c


As we begin deploying 2.4 ePMP it looks like we will need to use 
dishes on a number of customers. Since I don't think the basic 
mounts that we've used for yagis will hold up to the wind load we'll 
need to go with heavier duty mounts with the brace arms.  Does 
anyone have vendor or product recommendation for mounting brackets 
with brace arms? Best practice recommendations?

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

I have 2 at home, easy setup. Basic feature set… problem with reatail locations 
like restaurants is that you need control of the users… how much time they can 
browse, when the AP will be available (avoiding night leeches), login 
mechanisms, value added marketing for the host restaurant (like pop ups every x 
min with advertisement) Etc… Retail is a different animal… Meraki even offers 
visit statistics of how many passerbys( mac detected but not registered) , 
users (loged in) with how long they stayed, how recurrently the pass or visit 
ect! Very extensive reports for the host restaurant/retail location

Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr

From: Darin Steffl mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 12:24 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

We also ordered a few Xclaim AP's and they seem to be performing really well 
and at a great price as well.

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Daniel White 
mailto:afmu...@gmail.com>> wrote:
The new Xclaim AP's are designed for this type of environment.  Get the Ruckus 
RF engineering technology with the coffee shop type price.

Installing one in our new office... will have my hands on it on Friday.  Only 
need a single AP... and of course it will be lightly loaded (mostly for cell 
phones,etc... computers are hardwired typically).

Got mine from JR at WAV - good price on those units too.

Daniel White – Managing Director
SAF North America LLC

Cell:  (303) 746-3590
Skype: danieldwhite
daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com

> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
> Of Jay Weekley
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:19 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>
> The problem I have with Unifi is there really isn't a stand alone feature that
> doesn't require a controller that I know of.  I would like the option of 
> logging
> in locally, changing a few settings, and moving on.
>
> Cameron Crum wrote:
> > Unifi is not hard to set up at all. I put about 20 of them in my kid's
> > school and it works great. VLAN'd 3 separate networks, one for
> > teachers, one for students, and one for guests. I don't use the
> > payments stuff of course and access is still controlled by a CCR
> > behind it all, but it has not even had so much as a hiccup in over a
> > year since it went in. This is not even the enterprise version as it
> > was not out yet when I put the system in.
> >
> > Cameron
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Bill Prince 
> > mailto:part15...@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> >
> > Gino,
> >
> > What do like (and dislike?) about Meraki, and which others have
> > you tried?
> >
> > bp
> > 
> >
> > On 1/13/2015 6:47 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
> >> Meraki
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Gino A. Villarini
> >> President
> >> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> >> www.aeronetpr.com  
> >> ï¿1Ž2ï¿1Ž2
> >> @aeronetpr
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: joseph marsh 
> >> mailto:bwireless...@gmail.com>
> >> >>
> >> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com 
> >> >" 
> >> mailto:af@afmug.com>
> >> >>
> >> Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 10:43 AM
> >> To: "af@afmug.com 
> >> >" 
> >> mailto:af@afmug.com>
> >> >>
> >> Subject: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
> >>
> >> Doing WiFi for a restaurantï¿1Ž2ï¿1Ž2ï¿1Ž2 what would be good for
> >> deploying WiFiï¿1Ž2
> >>
> >> Ubnt unifi, meraki or something else?
> >>
> >
> >

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Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices

2015-01-13 Thread That One Guy

I thank vlad

but when this rebounds, its going to hurt, not "hey doc it burns a little
when i pee" hurt, real hurt

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:

>  It's Saudi Arabia trying to squeeze out all the marginal producers.
> Initially it will be Russia and some of the other marginals like Iraq &
> Iran.
>
> Pretty sure the shale oil and tar sands guys are hurting big time right
> now.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 1/13/2015 8:03 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>  I wonder what is really driving the price down.  Fracking, OPEC
> diaspora, CAFE improvements, Russia problems ???
>
>  *From:* Jeremy 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 13, 2015 8:54 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices
>
>  Thanks Obama!  (he gets blamed for EVERYTHING, right??)
>
> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> Same up here in Ohio.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>   On Jan 13, 2015 10:35 AM, "joseph marsh" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 1.75 here in my area
>>> On Jan 13, 2015 9:35 AM, "Vlad Sedov"  wrote:
>>>
 $1.50 to $1.55 in oklahoma city.. crazy.

 vlad

 On 1/13/2015 9:32 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:

> I never thought I would see gas prices this low. We have stations at
> $1.71/gallon in our area right now. :)
>
> Travis
>


>
>
>


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parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

2015-01-13 Thread Caleb Knauer

The only thing I can think of where rapid handoff would be needed in a
restaurant is for mobile POS terminals if the wait staff is entering orders
and payments and such at the table via tablet.  Otherwise anything that
matters (to the business) is going to be fixed or isn't
super-duper-realtime critical.  Unifi has a zero-handoff roaming feature
but you need to take into account the design restraints.

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

> I wonder how much hand off is happening at all in a restaurant?
>
> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> Not really? All of the ones I setup I don't recall there being any
>> issues...  even with the original software releases.
>>
>> That said, the fast handoff isn't as good as what you're going to get
>> from Ruckus or Xirrus.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"joseph marsh" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:53:04 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>>
>> Isnt unifi a bitch to set up with software?
>> On Jan 13, 2015 9:51 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Wyndam in Midland uses UniFi AC and it worked well.   The local
>>> reservation casino is implementing it as well after testing Cisco and few
>>> others.
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>> On Jan 13, 2015 7:51 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>>>
  Xirrus.  More granular packet control.



 Rory



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
 *Sent:* Tuesday, January 13, 2015 7:47 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant



 Meraki







 Gino A. Villarini

 President

 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

 www.aeronetpr.com

 @aeronetpr







 *From: *joseph marsh 
 *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
 *Date: *Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 10:43 AM
 *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
 *Subject: *[AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant



 Doing WiFi for a restaurantwhat would be good for deploying WiFi

 Ubnt unifi, meraki or something else?

>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

Has anyone used the CloudTrax stuff?  We deployed a few APs recently and
they seem to be working fine as far as I know.

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

>   I have 2 at home, easy setup. Basic feature set… problem with reatail
> locations like restaurants is that you need control of the users… how much
> time they can browse, when the AP will be available (avoiding night
> leeches), login mechanisms, value added marketing for the host restaurant
> (like pop ups every x min with advertisement) Etc… Retail is a different
> animal… Meraki even offers visit statistics of how many passerbys( mac
> detected but not registered) , users (loged in) with how long they stayed,
> how recurrently the pass or visit ect! Very extensive reports for the host
> restaurant/retail location
>
>
>
>  Gino A. Villarini
> President
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> www.aeronetpr.com
> @aeronetpr
>
>
>
>   From: Darin Steffl 
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 12:24 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>
>   We also ordered a few Xclaim AP's and they seem to be performing really
> well and at a great price as well.
>
> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Daniel White  wrote:
>
>> The new Xclaim AP's are designed for this type of environment.  Get the
>> Ruckus RF engineering technology with the coffee shop type price.
>>
>> Installing one in our new office... will have my hands on it on Friday.
>> Only need a single AP... and of course it will be lightly loaded (mostly
>> for cell phones,etc... computers are hardwired typically).
>>
>> Got mine from JR at WAV - good price on those units too.
>>
>> Daniel White – Managing Director
>> SAF North America LLC
>>
>> Cell:  (303) 746-3590
>> Skype: danieldwhite
>> daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com
>>
>>
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:19 AM
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>> >
>>  > The problem I have with Unifi is there really isn't a stand alone
>> feature that
>> > doesn't require a controller that I know of.  I would like the option
>> of logging
>> > in locally, changing a few settings, and moving on.
>> >
>> > Cameron Crum wrote:
>> > > Unifi is not hard to set up at all. I put about 20 of them in my kid's
>> > > school and it works great. VLAN'd 3 separate networks, one for
>> > > teachers, one for students, and one for guests. I don't use the
>> > > payments stuff of course and access is still controlled by a CCR
>> > > behind it all, but it has not even had so much as a hiccup in over a
>> > > year since it went in. This is not even the enterprise version as it
>> > > was not out yet when I put the system in.
>> > >
>> > > Cameron
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Bill Prince > > > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Gino,
>> > >
>> > > What do like (and dislike?) about Meraki, and which others have
>> > > you tried?
>> > >
>> > > bp
>> > > 
>> > >
>> > > On 1/13/2015 6:47 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>> > >> Meraki
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Gino A. Villarini
>> > >> President
>> > >> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> > >> www.aeronetpr.com  ï¿1Ž2ï¿1Ž2
>> > >> @aeronetpr
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> From: joseph marsh > > >> >
>> > >> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com " > > >> >
>> > >> Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 10:43 AM
>> > >> To: "af@afmug.com " > > >> >
>> > >> Subject: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>> > >>
>> > >> Doing WiFi for a restaurantï¿1Ž2ï¿1Ž2ï¿1Ž2 what would be good for
>> > >> deploying WiFiï¿1Ž2
>> > >>
>> > >> Ubnt unifi, meraki or something else?
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>>
>>
>
>
>  --
>  Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com
> 507-634-WiFi
>   Like us on Facebook
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

2015-01-13 Thread Rory Conaway

I have a customer yanking out his Meraki’s in a couple months and going to 
UniFi.  We have a installations with them, zero problems.  But you do need a 
management computer.  I have the XClaim radio too that I tested at my house.  
The only problem is no management tool outside your phone and you have to be 
onsite.  They said they will have something in a few months for that.

Xirrus is enterprise grade and probably as expensive as Meraki with all the 
bells and whistles.  I’d stick to UniFi if it was me for financial reasons if 
you simply want to give away free internet.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

I have 2 at home, easy setup. Basic feature set… problem with reatail locations 
like restaurants is that you need control of the users… how much time they can 
browse, when the AP will be available (avoiding night leeches), login 
mechanisms, value added marketing for the host restaurant (like pop ups every x 
min with advertisement) Etc… Retail is a different animal… Meraki even offers 
visit statistics of how many passerbys( mac detected but not registered) , 
users (loged in) with how long they stayed, how recurrently the pass or visit 
ect! Very extensive reports for the host restaurant/retail location

Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr

From: Darin Steffl mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 12:24 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

We also ordered a few Xclaim AP's and they seem to be performing really well 
and at a great price as well.

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Daniel White 
mailto:afmu...@gmail.com>> wrote:
The new Xclaim AP's are designed for this type of environment.  Get the Ruckus 
RF engineering technology with the coffee shop type price.

Installing one in our new office... will have my hands on it on Friday.  Only 
need a single AP... and of course it will be lightly loaded (mostly for cell 
phones,etc... computers are hardwired typically).

Got mine from JR at WAV - good price on those units too.

Daniel White – Managing Director
SAF North America LLC

Cell:  (303) 746-3590
Skype: danieldwhite
daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com

> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
> Of Jay Weekley
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:19 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>
> The problem I have with Unifi is there really isn't a stand alone feature that
> doesn't require a controller that I know of.  I would like the option of 
> logging
> in locally, changing a few settings, and moving on.
>
> Cameron Crum wrote:
> > Unifi is not hard to set up at all. I put about 20 of them in my kid's
> > school and it works great. VLAN'd 3 separate networks, one for
> > teachers, one for students, and one for guests. I don't use the
> > payments stuff of course and access is still controlled by a CCR
> > behind it all, but it has not even had so much as a hiccup in over a
> > year since it went in. This is not even the enterprise version as it
> > was not out yet when I put the system in.
> >
> > Cameron
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Bill Prince 
> > mailto:part15...@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> >
> > Gino,
> >
> > What do like (and dislike?) about Meraki, and which others have
> > you tried?
> >
> > bp
> > 
> >
> > On 1/13/2015 6:47 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
> >> Meraki
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Gino A. Villarini
> >> President
> >> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> >> www.aeronetpr.com  
> >> ï¿1Ž2ï¿1Ž2
> >> @aeronetpr
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: joseph marsh 
> >> mailto:bwireless...@gmail.com>
> >> >>
> >> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com 
> >> >" 
> >> mailto:af@afmug.com>
> >> >>
> >> Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 10:43 AM
> >> To: "af@afmug.com 
> >> >" 
> >> mailto:af@afmug.com>
> >> >>
> >> Subject: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
> >>
> >> Doing WiFi for a restaurantï¿1Ž2ï¿1Ž2ï¿1Ž2 what would be good for
> >> deploying WiFiï¿1Ž2
> >>
> >> Ubnt unifi, meraki or something else?
> >>
> >
> >

--
Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
[http://www.snoitulos

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

Xclaim web management was recently released.

What they didn't like about Meraki

Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini

On Jan 13, 2015, at 12:48 PM, Rory Conaway 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:

I have a customer yanking out his Meraki’s in a couple months and going to 
UniFi.  We have a installations with them, zero problems.  But you do need a 
management computer.  I have the XClaim radio too that I tested at my house.  
The only problem is no management tool outside your phone and you have to be 
onsite.  They said they will have something in a few months for that.

Xirrus is enterprise grade and probably as expensive as Meraki with all the 
bells and whistles.  I’d stick to UniFi if it was me for financial reasons if 
you simply want to give away free internet.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

I have 2 at home, easy setup. Basic feature set… problem with reatail locations 
like restaurants is that you need control of the users… how much time they can 
browse, when the AP will be available (avoiding night leeches), login 
mechanisms, value added marketing for the host restaurant (like pop ups every x 
min with advertisement) Etc… Retail is a different animal… Meraki even offers 
visit statistics of how many passerbys( mac detected but not registered) , 
users (loged in) with how long they stayed, how recurrently the pass or visit 
ect! Very extensive reports for the host restaurant/retail location

Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr

From: Darin Steffl mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 12:24 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

We also ordered a few Xclaim AP's and they seem to be performing really well 
and at a great price as well.

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Daniel White 
mailto:afmu...@gmail.com>> wrote:
The new Xclaim AP's are designed for this type of environment.  Get the Ruckus 
RF engineering technology with the coffee shop type price.

Installing one in our new office... will have my hands on it on Friday.  Only 
need a single AP... and of course it will be lightly loaded (mostly for cell 
phones,etc... computers are hardwired typically).

Got mine from JR at WAV - good price on those units too.

Daniel White – Managing Director
SAF North America LLC

Cell:  (303) 746-3590
Skype: danieldwhite
daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com

> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
> Of Jay Weekley
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:19 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>
> The problem I have with Unifi is there really isn't a stand alone feature that
> doesn't require a controller that I know of.  I would like the option of 
> logging
> in locally, changing a few settings, and moving on.
>
> Cameron Crum wrote:
> > Unifi is not hard to set up at all. I put about 20 of them in my kid's
> > school and it works great. VLAN'd 3 separate networks, one for
> > teachers, one for students, and one for guests. I don't use the
> > payments stuff of course and access is still controlled by a CCR
> > behind it all, but it has not even had so much as a hiccup in over a
> > year since it went in. This is not even the enterprise version as it
> > was not out yet when I put the system in.
> >
> > Cameron
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Bill Prince 
> > mailto:part15...@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> >
> > Gino,
> >
> > What do like (and dislike?) about Meraki, and which others have
> > you tried?
> >
> > bp
> > 
> >
> > On 1/13/2015 6:47 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
> >> Meraki
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Gino A. Villarini
> >> President
> >> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> >> www.aeronetpr.com  
> >> ï¿1Ž2ï¿1Ž2
> >> @aeronetpr
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: joseph marsh 
> >> mailto:bwireless...@gmail.com>
> >> >>
> >> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com 
> >> >" 
> >> mailto:af@afmug.com>
> >> >>
> >> Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 10:43 AM
> >> To: "af@afmug.com 
> >> >" 
> >> mailto:af@afmug.com>
> >> >>
> >> Subject: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
> >>
> >> Doing WiFi for a restaurantï¿1Ž2ï¿1Ž2ï¿1Ž2 what

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

No, super easy. Set a host entry in the router to your aws instance for remote 
monitoring and control, or use dhcp option 43.

On January 13, 2015 6:53:05 AM AKST, joseph marsh  
wrote:
>Isnt unifi a bitch to set up with software?
>On Jan 13, 2015 9:51 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>wrote:
>
>> Wyndam in Midland uses UniFi AC and it worked well.   The local
>> reservation casino is implementing it as well after testing Cisco and
>few
>> others.
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> On Jan 13, 2015 7:51 AM, "Rory Conaway" 
>wrote:
>>
>>>  Xirrus.  More granular packet control.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino
>Villarini
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 13, 2015 7:47 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Meraki
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>>
>>> President
>>>
>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>>
>>> www.aeronetpr.com
>>>
>>> @aeronetpr
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *joseph marsh 
>>> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
>>> *Date: *Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 10:43 AM
>>> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Doing WiFi for a restaurantwhat would be good for deploying WiFi
>>>
>>> Ubnt unifi, meraki or something else?
>>>
>>

-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

So the unifi is like a normal ubnt. Product just program it and leave. It?
On Jan 13, 2015 10:47 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

>  I have a customer yanking out his Meraki’s in a couple months and going
> to UniFi.  We have a installations with them, zero problems.  But you do
> need a management computer.  I have the XClaim radio too that I tested at
> my house.  The only problem is no management tool outside your phone and
> you have to be onsite.  They said they will have something in a few months
> for that.
>
>
>
> Xirrus is enterprise grade and probably as expensive as Meraki with all
> the bells and whistles.  I’d stick to UniFi if it was me for financial
> reasons if you simply want to give away free internet.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:31 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>
>
>
> I have 2 at home, easy setup. Basic feature set… problem with reatail
> locations like restaurants is that you need control of the users… how much
> time they can browse, when the AP will be available (avoiding night
> leeches), login mechanisms, value added marketing for the host restaurant
> (like pop ups every x min with advertisement) Etc… Retail is a different
> animal… Meraki even offers visit statistics of how many passerbys( mac
> detected but not registered) , users (loged in) with how long they stayed,
> how recurrently the pass or visit ect! Very extensive reports for the host
> restaurant/retail location
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
>
> President
>
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>
> www.aeronetpr.com
>
> @aeronetpr
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Darin Steffl 
> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Date: *Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 12:24 PM
> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>
>
>
> We also ordered a few Xclaim AP's and they seem to be performing really
> well and at a great price as well.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Daniel White  wrote:
>
> The new Xclaim AP's are designed for this type of environment.  Get the
> Ruckus RF engineering technology with the coffee shop type price.
>
> Installing one in our new office... will have my hands on it on Friday.
> Only need a single AP... and of course it will be lightly loaded (mostly
> for cell phones,etc... computers are hardwired typically).
>
> Got mine from JR at WAV - good price on those units too.
>
> Daniel White – Managing Director
> SAF North America LLC
>
> Cell:  (303) 746-3590
> Skype: danieldwhite
> daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:19 AM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
> >
>
> > The problem I have with Unifi is there really isn't a stand alone
> feature that
> > doesn't require a controller that I know of.  I would like the option of
> logging
> > in locally, changing a few settings, and moving on.
> >
> > Cameron Crum wrote:
> > > Unifi is not hard to set up at all. I put about 20 of them in my kid's
> > > school and it works great. VLAN'd 3 separate networks, one for
> > > teachers, one for students, and one for guests. I don't use the
> > > payments stuff of course and access is still controlled by a CCR
> > > behind it all, but it has not even had so much as a hiccup in over a
> > > year since it went in. This is not even the enterprise version as it
> > > was not out yet when I put the system in.
> > >
> > > Cameron
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Bill Prince  > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Gino,
> > >
> > > What do like (and dislike?) about Meraki, and which others have
> > > you tried?
> > >
> > > bp
> > > 
> > >
> > > On 1/13/2015 6:47 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
> > >> Meraki
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Gino A. Villarini
> > >> President
> > >> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> > >> www.aeronetpr.com  ï¿1Ž2ï¿1Ž2
> > >> @aeronetpr
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> From: joseph marsh  > >> >
> > >> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com "  > >> >
> > >> Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 10:43 AM
> > >> To: "af@afmug.com "  > >> >
> > >> Subject: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
> > >>
> > >> Doing WiFi for a restaurantï¿1Ž2ï¿1Ž2ï¿1Ž2 what would be good for
> > >> deploying WiFiï¿1Ž2
> > >>
> > >> Ubnt unifi, meraki or something else?
> > >>
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Darin Steffl
>
> Minnesota WiFi
>
> www.mnwifi.com
>
> 507-634-WiFi
>
>  Like us on Facebook
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

Most retail WiFi is for serving the guests. I think the #1 hated thing about 
free WiFi is poor performance. Usually it'd because they're on a 1.5 meg DSL, 
but another big contender is the mobile devices just not dropping the bad 
wireless connection when they should. They hang on too long. 

*nods* The UBNT fast handoff doesn't work on open networks. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: "Caleb Knauer"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 10:46:27 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant 


The only thing I can think of where rapid handoff would be needed in a 
restaurant is for mobile POS terminals if the wait staff is entering orders and 
payments and such at the table via tablet. Otherwise anything that matters (to 
the business) is going to be fixed or isn't super-duper-realtime critical. 
Unifi has a zero-handoff roaming feature but you need to take into account the 
design restraints. 


On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Cameron Crum < cc...@wispmon.com > wrote: 



I wonder how much hand off is happening at all in a restaurant? 




On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Not really? All of the ones I setup I don't recall there being any issues... 
even with the original software releases. 

That said, the fast handoff isn't as good as what you're going to get from 
Ruckus or Xirrus. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 





From: "joseph marsh" < bwireless...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:53:04 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant 


Isnt unifi a bitch to set up with software? 
On Jan 13, 2015 9:51 AM, "Jaime Solorza" < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > wrote: 



Wyndam in Midland uses UniFi AC and it worked well. The local reservation 
casino is implementing it as well after testing Cisco and few others. 
Jaime Solorza 
On Jan 13, 2015 7:51 AM, "Rory Conaway" < r...@triadwireless.net > wrote: 





Xirrus. More granular packet control. 

Rory 



From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 7:47 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant 




Meraki 








Gino A. Villarini 

President 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 

www.aeronetpr.com 

@aeronetpr 







From: joseph marsh < bwireless...@gmail.com > 
Reply-To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 10:43 AM 
To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Subject: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant 




Doing WiFi for a restaurant what would be good for deploying WiFi 
Ubnt unifi, meraki or something else?

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

No remote control options, all setup using a phone at layer 2.

I'm waiting for their cloud controller release.

On January 13, 2015 7:22:56 AM AKST, Daniel White  wrote:
>The new Xclaim AP's are designed for this type of environment.  Get the
>Ruckus RF engineering technology with the coffee shop type price.
>
>Installing one in our new office... will have my hands on it on Friday.
>Only need a single AP... and of course it will be lightly loaded
>(mostly for cell phones,etc... computers are hardwired typically).
>
>Got mine from JR at WAV - good price on those units too.
>
>Daniel White – Managing Director
>SAF North America LLC
>
>Cell:  (303) 746-3590
>Skype: danieldwhite
>daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com 
>
>   
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:19 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>> 
>> The problem I have with Unifi is there really isn't a stand alone
>feature that
>> doesn't require a controller that I know of.  I would like the option
>of logging
>> in locally, changing a few settings, and moving on.
>> 
>> Cameron Crum wrote:
>> > Unifi is not hard to set up at all. I put about 20 of them in my
>kid's
>> > school and it works great. VLAN'd 3 separate networks, one for
>> > teachers, one for students, and one for guests. I don't use the
>> > payments stuff of course and access is still controlled by a CCR
>> > behind it all, but it has not even had so much as a hiccup in over
>a
>> > year since it went in. This is not even the enterprise version as
>it
>> > was not out yet when I put the system in.
>> >
>> > Cameron
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Bill Prince > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > Gino,
>> >
>> > What do like (and dislike?) about Meraki, and which others have
>> > you tried?
>> >
>> > bp
>> > 
>> >
>> > On 1/13/2015 6:47 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>> >> Meraki
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Gino A. Villarini
>> >> President
>> >> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> >> www.aeronetpr.com  ï¿½ï¿½
>> >> @aeronetpr
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> From: joseph marsh > >> >
>> >> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com " > >> >
>> >> Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 10:43 AM
>> >> To: "af@afmug.com " > >> >
>> >> Subject: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>> >>
>> >> Doing WiFi for a restaurantï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ what would be good for
>> >> deploying WiFiï¿½
>> >>
>> >> Ubnt unifi, meraki or something else?
>> >>
>> >
>> >

-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

2015-01-13 Thread Rory Conaway

The yearly cost and the cost of replacing out of warranty units.  They also 
didn’t put in enough units and mounted them to the outside of stucco/cylinder 
block buildings.  The UniFi system will pay for itself over 2 years against the 
Meraki and be more profitable.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:51 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

Xclaim web management was recently released.

What they didn't like about Meraki

Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini

On Jan 13, 2015, at 12:48 PM, Rory Conaway 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
I have a customer yanking out his Meraki’s in a couple months and going to 
UniFi.  We have a installations with them, zero problems.  But you do need a 
management computer.  I have the XClaim radio too that I tested at my house.  
The only problem is no management tool outside your phone and you have to be 
onsite.  They said they will have something in a few months for that.

Xirrus is enterprise grade and probably as expensive as Meraki with all the 
bells and whistles.  I’d stick to UniFi if it was me for financial reasons if 
you simply want to give away free internet.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

I have 2 at home, easy setup. Basic feature set… problem with reatail locations 
like restaurants is that you need control of the users… how much time they can 
browse, when the AP will be available (avoiding night leeches), login 
mechanisms, value added marketing for the host restaurant (like pop ups every x 
min with advertisement) Etc… Retail is a different animal… Meraki even offers 
visit statistics of how many passerbys( mac detected but not registered) , 
users (loged in) with how long they stayed, how recurrently the pass or visit 
ect! Very extensive reports for the host restaurant/retail location

Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr

From: Darin Steffl mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 12:24 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

We also ordered a few Xclaim AP's and they seem to be performing really well 
and at a great price as well.

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Daniel White 
mailto:afmu...@gmail.com>> wrote:
The new Xclaim AP's are designed for this type of environment.  Get the Ruckus 
RF engineering technology with the coffee shop type price.

Installing one in our new office... will have my hands on it on Friday.  Only 
need a single AP... and of course it will be lightly loaded (mostly for cell 
phones,etc... computers are hardwired typically).

Got mine from JR at WAV - good price on those units too.

Daniel White – Managing Director
SAF North America LLC

Cell:  (303) 746-3590
Skype: danieldwhite
daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com

> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
> Of Jay Weekley
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:19 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>
> The problem I have with Unifi is there really isn't a stand alone feature that
> doesn't require a controller that I know of.  I would like the option of 
> logging
> in locally, changing a few settings, and moving on.
>
> Cameron Crum wrote:
> > Unifi is not hard to set up at all. I put about 20 of them in my kid's
> > school and it works great. VLAN'd 3 separate networks, one for
> > teachers, one for students, and one for guests. I don't use the
> > payments stuff of course and access is still controlled by a CCR
> > behind it all, but it has not even had so much as a hiccup in over a
> > year since it went in. This is not even the enterprise version as it
> > was not out yet when I put the system in.
> >
> > Cameron
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Bill Prince 
> > mailto:part15...@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> >
> > Gino,
> >
> > What do like (and dislike?) about Meraki, and which others have
> > you tried?
> >
> > bp
> > 
> >
> > On 1/13/2015 6:47 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
> >> Meraki
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Gino A. Villarini
> >> President
> >> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> >> www.aeronetpr.com  
> >> ï¿1Ž2ï¿1Ž2
> >> @aeronetpr
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: joseph marsh 
> >> mailto:bwireless...@gmail.com>
> >> >>
> >> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com 
> >>

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

Web management was released

Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr

From: Josh Reynolds mailto:j...@spitwspots.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 12:54 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>, 
"afmu...@gmail.com" 
mailto:afmu...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

No remote control options, all setup using a phone at layer 2.

I'm waiting for their cloud controller release.

On January 13, 2015 7:22:56 AM AKST, Daniel White 
mailto:afmu...@gmail.com>> wrote:

The new Xclaim AP's are designed for this type of environment.  Get the Ruckus 
RF engineering technology with the coffee shop type price.

Installing one in our new office... will have my hands on it on Friday.  Only 
need a single AP... and of course it will be lightly loaded (mostly for cell 
phones,etc... computers are hardwired typically).

Got mine from JR at WAV - good price on those units too.

Daniel White – Managing Director
SAF North America LLC

Cell:  (303) 746-3590
Skype: danieldwhite
daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com

 -Original Message-
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
 Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:19 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

 The pr

 oblem I
have with Unifi is there really isn't a stand alone feature that
 doesn't require a controller that I know of.  I would like the option of 
logging
 in locally, changing a few settings, and moving on.

 Cameron Crum wrote:
 Unifi is not hard to set up at all. I put about 20 of them in my kid's
 school and it works great. VLAN'd 3 separate networks, one for
 teachers, one for students, and one for guests. I don't use the
 payments stuff of course and access is still controlled by a CCR
 behind it all, but it has not even had so much as a hiccup in over a
 year since it went in. This is not even the enterprise version as it
 was not out yet when I put the system in.

 Cameron

 On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Bill Prince 
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>
 >

 ;
wrote:

 Gino,

 What do like (and dislike?) about Meraki, and which others have
 you tried?

 bp

 On 1/13/2015 6:47 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
 Meraki

 Gino A. Villarini
 President
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 www.aeronetpr.com  
ï¿1Ž2ï¿1Ž2
 @aeronetpr

 From: joseph marsh mailto:bwireless...@gmail.com>
 >
 Reply-To: "af@afmug.com " 
mailto:af@afmug.com>
 >
 Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 10:43 AM
 To:
"af@afmug.com " 
mailto:af@afmug.com>
 >
 Subject: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

 Doing WiFi for a restaurantï¿1Ž2ï¿1Ž2ï¿1Ž2 what would be good for
 deploying WiFiï¿1Ž2

 Ubnt unifi, meraki or something else?

--
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

Cool, will have to take a look.

On January 13, 2015 7:57:09 AM AKST, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>Web management was released
>
>
>
>Gino A. Villarini
>President
>Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>www.aeronetpr.com
>@aeronetpr
>
>
>
>From: Josh Reynolds mailto:j...@spitwspots.com>>
>Reply-To: "af@afmug.com"
>mailto:af@afmug.com>>
>Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 12:54 PM
>To: "af@afmug.com"
>mailto:af@afmug.com>>,
>"afmu...@gmail.com"
>mailto:afmu...@gmail.com>>
>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>
>No remote control options, all setup using a phone at layer 2.
>
>I'm waiting for their cloud controller release.
>
>On January 13, 2015 7:22:56 AM AKST, Daniel White
>mailto:afmu...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>The new Xclaim AP's are designed for this type of environment.  Get the
>Ruckus RF engineering technology with the coffee shop type price.
>
>Installing one in our new office... will have my hands on it on Friday.
>Only need a single AP... and of course it will be lightly loaded
>(mostly for cell phones,etc... computers are hardwired typically).
>
>Got mine from JR at WAV - good price on those units too.
>
>Daniel White – Managing Director
>SAF North America LLC
>
>Cell:  (303) 746-3590
>Skype: danieldwhite
>daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:19 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>
> The pr
>
> oblem I
>have with Unifi is there really isn't a stand alone feature that
>doesn't require a controller that I know of.  I would like the option
>of logging
> in locally, changing a few settings, and moving on.
>
> Cameron Crum wrote:
> Unifi is not hard to set up at all. I put about 20 of them in my kid's
> school and it works great. VLAN'd 3 separate networks, one for
> teachers, one for students, and one for guests. I don't use the
> payments stuff of course and access is still controlled by a CCR
> behind it all, but it has not even had so much as a hiccup in over a
> year since it went in. This is not even the enterprise version as it
> was not out yet when I put the system in.
>
> Cameron
>
>On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Bill Prince
>mailto:part15...@gmail.com>
> >
>
> ;
>wrote:
>
> Gino,
>
> What do like (and dislike?) about Meraki, and which others have
> you tried?
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 1/13/2015 6:47 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
> Meraki
>
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> President
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>www.aeronetpr.com 
>ï¿1Ž2ï¿1Ž2
> @aeronetpr
>
>
>
>From: joseph marsh
>mailto:bwireless...@gmail.com>
> >
>Reply-To: "af@afmug.com "
>mailto:af@afmug.com>
> >
> Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 10:43 AM
> To:
>"af@afmug.com "
>mailto:af@afmug.com>
> >
> Subject: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>
> Doing WiFi for a restaurantï¿1Ž2ï¿1Ž2ï¿1Ž2 what would be good for
> deploying WiFiï¿1Ž2
>
> Ubnt unifi, meraki or something else?
>
>
>
>
>--
>Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

You need a unifi controller to manage the system.  The individual AP's 
don't have a web page.  You put the controller on the same LAN segment 
as the AP's and it will discover them and add them to the network.

You could use your laptop as the "controller" to set them up and then 
take it with you when you leave.  The AP's will keep working without 
being able to reach the controller.but don't do that. If you want to 
change anything later you'd have to go back with the same laptop.  If 
you want to associate the AP's with a different controller you have to 
default them.

For a super small deployment I just install the controller software on 
the customer's PC.  Once you get past a handful of AP's then you include 
a $300 PC in the cost estimate.

So the unifi is like a normal ubnt. Product just program it and leave. It?

On Jan 13, 2015 10:47 AM, "Rory Conaway" > wrote:

I have a customer yanking out his Meraki’s in a couple months and
going to UniFi.  We have a installations with them, zero
problems.  But you do need a management computer.  I have the
XClaim radio too that I tested at my house.  The only problem is
no management tool outside your phone and you have to be onsite. 
They said they will have something in a few months for that.

Xirrus is enterprise grade and probably as expensive as Meraki
with all the bells and whistles.  I’d stick to UniFi if it was me
for financial reasons if you simply want to give away free internet.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:31 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

I have 2 at home, easy setup. Basic feature set… problem with
reatail locations like restaurants is that you need control of the
users… how much time they can browse, when the AP will be
available (avoiding night leeches), login mechanisms, value added
marketing for the host restaurant (like pop ups every x min with
advertisement) Etc… Retail is a different animal… Meraki even
offers visit statistics of how many passerbys( mac detected but
not registered) , users (loged in) with how long they stayed, how
recurrently the pass or visit ect! Very extensive reports for the
host restaurant/retail location

Gino A. Villarini

President

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

www.aeronetpr.com 

@aeronetpr

*From: *Darin Steffl mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>>
*Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com " mailto:af@afmug.com>>
*Date: *Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 12:24 PM
*To: *"af@afmug.com " mailto:af@afmug.com>>
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

We also ordered a few Xclaim AP's and they seem to be performing
really well and at a great price as well.

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Daniel White mailto:afmu...@gmail.com>> wrote:

The new Xclaim AP's are designed for this type of environment. 
Get the Ruckus RF engineering technology with the coffee shop type

price.

Installing one in our new office... will have my hands on it on
Friday.  Only need a single AP... and of course it will be lightly
loaded (mostly for cell phones,etc... computers are hardwired
typically).

Got mine from JR at WAV - good price on those units too.

Daniel White – Managing Director
SAF North America LLC

Cell: (303) 746-3590 
Skype: danieldwhite
daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com 

> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
Behalf Of
Jay Weekley
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:19 AM
> To:af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>

> The problem I have with Unifi is there really isn't a stand alone
feature that
> doesn't require a controller that I know of.  I would like the
option of logging
> in locally, changing a few settings, and moving on.
>
> Cameron Crum wrote:
> > Unifi is not hard to set up at all. I put about 20 of them in
my kid's
> > school and it works great. VLAN'd 3 separate networks, one for
> > teachers, one for students, and one for guests. I don't use the
> > payments stuff of course and access is still controlled by a CCR
> > behind it all, but it has not even had so much as a hiccup in
over a
> > year since it went in. This is not even the enterprise version
as it
> > was not out yet when I put the system in.
> >
> > Cameron
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Bill Prince
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> >
> > Gino,
>

Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

2015-01-13 Thread David


:)

On 01/12/2015 12:25 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Remember when back in the early days, folks could announce “all your 
internets are mine” and take down everything.

*From:* Ken Hohhof 
*Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 11:07 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BCP38
Depends on what you mean by “any prefixes learned by the bgp peers”.
I think most upstreams would manually configure route filters to 
control what BGP advertisements to accept, and maybe also an ACL based 
on source IP. Otherwise there’s too much risk a customer would 
advertise routes for non owned blocks or bogons to you, either 
maliciously or by mistake, and you would automatically install these 
routes and pass them on. Boom, you’re trying to advertise 8.0.0.0/0 or 
10.0.0.0/0 and also allowing source address spoofing from those IPs, 
because your customer did something stupid.
Without an LOA and manual configuration, just advertising a route via 
BGP to another ASN should not cause those routes to be accepted.  Of 
course your upstream probably has these same rules, so your customer 
would have to give you an LOA that also goes to your upstream 
authorizing them to advertise those blocks.

*From:* Dennis Burgess 
*Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 11:46 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

Basically ,any IPs that SHOULD be sourced from your network.  But yes, 
the idea behind BCP38 is to block src address packets originating from 
your network that SHOULD NOT. So yes, you should already have those 
rules to not all traffic from your network if it’s coming from a IP 
that should not come from your network, and yes that would include any 
customer originated traffic.


An example, customer has 4 /19s and two /22s, plus has about 30 BGP 
peers for customer traffic.


The 5 prefixes would be allowed out, plus any prefixes learned by the 
bgp peers.  If there were two upstream on the same router, both would 
have a line, if the SRC address is ! (not) customer prefixes, 
including the 5 prefixes they use, then it would be dropped on egress 
of the upstream ports.   An example of this is


add action=drop chain=forward out-interface=ether17-internet 
src-address-list=!Inside-IPs


The inside_ips list include the local prefixes and the customer prefixes.

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

den...@linktechs.net  – 314-735-0270 – 
www.linktechs.net 


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 10:55 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

Yeah, I’m missing what the big deal is here.  If you’re talking about 
your border router to your upstream, why would you allow outbound 
traffic with source IPs outside your IP blocks?  Allow your IPs, block 
the rest.


If you’re talking about other routers within your network and are 
wanting to stop the traffic at the source, it could get more 
complicated since I assume we all use some private IP space within our 
networks for various purposes mostly management addresses on network 
equipment.


Dennis mentions customer IPs, if you route customer blocks those would 
also be allowed, based on an LOA.


*From:*Dennis Burgess 

*Sent:*Monday, January 12, 2015 10:43 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

Very simple.  In MT we do an address list of all valid subnets behind 
the core routers, this would include any prefixes that you own or use, 
plus any BGP prefixes learned from your customers.  Then a simple, out 
interface (internet) drop if its not SRCed from that list.  Not 
exactly IP tables, but there ya go..


Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

den...@linktechs.net  – 314-735-0270 – 
www.linktechs.net 


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
*Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 10:25 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

Hey Mike,

Would you be willing to post an iptables statement that would drop 
this traffic?


Thanks,

Sean



On Monday, January 12, 2015, Mike Hammett > wrote:


http://www.bcp38.info/index.php/Main_Page

Make sure you implement this in your networks. Drop all outbound 
traffic to your upstream that is not from valid public IP space.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

Use one controller on a VM somewhere for all of your managed UniFi devices. 

That's worked since the beginning. 

- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Adam Moffett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:17:48 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant 

You need a unifi controller to manage the system. The individual AP's don't 
have a web page. You put the controller on the same LAN segment as the AP's and 
it will discover them and add them to the network. 

You could use your laptop as the "controller" to set them up and then take it 
with you when you leave. The AP's will keep working without being able to reach 
the controller.but don't do that. If you want to change anything later 
you'd have to go back with the same laptop. If you want to associate the AP's 
with a different controller you have to default them. 

For a super small deployment I just install the controller software on the 
customer's PC. Once you get past a handful of AP's then you include a $300 PC 
in the cost estimate. 

So the unifi is like a normal ubnt. Product just program it and leave. It? 
On Jan 13, 2015 10:47 AM, "Rory Conaway" < r...@triadwireless.net > wrote: 

I have a customer yanking out his Meraki’s in a couple months and going to 
UniFi. We have a installations with them, zero problems. But you do need a 
management computer. I have the XClaim radio too that I tested at my house. The 
only problem is no management tool outside your phone and you have to be 
onsite. They said they will have something in a few months for that. 

Xirrus is enterprise grade and probably as expensive as Meraki with all the 
bells and whistles. I’d stick to UniFi if it was me for financial reasons if 
you simply want to give away free internet. 

Rory 

From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:31 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant 

I have 2 at home, easy setup. Basic feature set… problem with reatail locations 
like restaurants is that you need control of the users… how much time they can 
browse, when the AP will be available (avoiding night leeches), login 
mechanisms, value added marketing for the host restaurant (like pop ups every x 
min with advertisement) Etc… Retail is a different animal… Meraki even offers 
visit statistics of how many passerbys( mac detected but not registered) , 
users (loged in) with how long they stayed, how recurrently the pass or visit 
ect! Very extensive reports for the host restaurant/retail location 

Gino A. Villarini 

President 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 

www.aeronetpr.com 

@aeronetpr 

From: Darin Steffl < darin.ste...@mnwifi.com > 
Reply-To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 12:24 PM 
To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant 

We also ordered a few Xclaim AP's and they seem to be performing really well 
and at a great price as well. 

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Daniel White < afmu...@gmail.com > wrote: 
The new Xclaim AP's are designed for this type of environment. Get the Ruckus 
RF engineering technology with the coffee shop type price. 

Installing one in our new office... will have my hands on it on Friday. Only 
need a single AP... and of course it will be lightly loaded (mostly for cell 
phones,etc... computers are hardwired typically). 

Got mine from JR at WAV - good price on those units too. 

Daniel White – Managing Director 
SAF North America LLC 

Cell: (303) 746-3590 
Skype: danieldwhite 
daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com 

> -Original Message- 
> From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:19 AM 
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant 
> 

> The problem I have with Unifi is there really isn't a stand alone feature 
> that 
> doesn't require a controller that I know of. I would like the option of 
> logging 
> in locally, changing a few settings, and moving on. 
> 
> Cameron Crum wrote: 
> > Unifi is not hard to set up at all. I put about 20 of them in my kid's 
> > school and it works great. VLAN'd 3 separate networks, one for 
> > teachers, one for students, and one for guests. I don't use the 
> > payments stuff of course and access is still controlled by a CCR 
> > behind it all, but it has not even had so much as a hiccup in over a 
> > year since it went in. This is not even the enterprise version as it 
> > was not out yet when I put the system in. 
> > 
> > Cameron 
> > 
> > On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Bill Prince < part15...@gmail.com 
> > > wrote: 
> > 
> > Gino, 
> > 
> > What do like (and dislike?) about Meraki, and which others have 
> > you tried? 
> > 
> > bp 
> >  
> > 
> > On 1/13/2015 6:47 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: 
> >> Meraki 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Gino A. V

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

Anything special about the controller? Windows, MacOS, Linux?  Will the 
controller run on a Mikrotik?

bp

On 1/13/2015 9:17 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

You need a unifi controller to manage the system.  The individual AP's 
don't have a web page.  You put the controller on the same LAN segment 
as the AP's and it will discover them and add them to the network.

You could use your laptop as the "controller" to set them up and then 
take it with you when you leave.  The AP's will keep working without 
being able to reach the controller.but don't do that.  If you want 
to change anything later you'd have to go back with the same laptop.  
If you want to associate the AP's with a different controller you have 
to default them.

For a super small deployment I just install the controller software on 
the customer's PC.  Once you get past a handful of AP's then you 
include a $300 PC in the cost estimate.

So the unifi is like a normal ubnt. Product just program it and 
leave. It?

On Jan 13, 2015 10:47 AM, "Rory Conaway" > wrote:

I have a customer yanking out his Meraki’s in a couple months and
going to UniFi.  We have a installations with them, zero
problems.  But you do need a management computer.  I have the
XClaim radio too that I tested at my house.  The only problem is
no management tool outside your phone and you have to be onsite. 
They said they will have something in a few months for that.

Xirrus is enterprise grade and probably as expensive as Meraki
with all the bells and whistles.  I’d stick to UniFi if it was me
for financial reasons if you simply want to give away free internet.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:31 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

I have 2 at home, easy setup. Basic feature set… problem with
reatail locations like restaurants is that you need control of
the users… how much time they can browse, when the AP will be
available (avoiding night leeches), login mechanisms, value added
marketing for the host restaurant (like pop ups every x min with
advertisement) Etc… Retail is a different animal… Meraki even
offers visit statistics of how many passerbys( mac detected but
not registered) , users (loged in) with how long they stayed, how
recurrently the pass or visit ect! Very extensive reports for the
host restaurant/retail location

Gino A. Villarini

President

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

www.aeronetpr.com 

@aeronetpr

*From: *Darin Steffl mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>>
*Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com " mailto:af@afmug.com>>
*Date: *Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 12:24 PM
*To: *"af@afmug.com " mailto:af@afmug.com>>
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

We also ordered a few Xclaim AP's and they seem to be performing
really well and at a great price as well.

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Daniel White mailto:afmu...@gmail.com>> wrote:

The new Xclaim AP's are designed for this type of environment. 
Get the Ruckus RF engineering technology with the coffee shop

type price.

Installing one in our new office... will have my hands on it on
Friday.  Only need a single AP... and of course it will be
lightly loaded (mostly for cell phones,etc... computers are
hardwired typically).

Got mine from JR at WAV - good price on those units too.

Daniel White – Managing Director
SAF North America LLC

Cell: (303) 746-3590 
Skype: danieldwhite
daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com 

> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
Behalf Of
Jay Weekley
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:19 AM
> To:af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>

> The problem I have with Unifi is there really isn't a stand
alone feature that
> doesn't require a controller that I know of.  I would like the
option of logging
> in locally, changing a few settings, and moving on.
>
> Cameron Crum wrote:
> > Unifi is not hard to set up at all. I put about 20 of them in
my kid's
> > school and it works great. VLAN'd 3 separate networks, one for
> > teachers, one for students, and one for guests. I don't use the
> > payments stuff of course and access is still controlled by a CCR
> > behind it all, but it has not even had so much as a hiccup in
over a
> > year since it went in. This is not even the enterprise
version as it
> > was not out yet when I put the system in.
> >
> > Cameron
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 9:53

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

Windows and Linux. Not sure about Mac. No, it won't run on Mikrotik. 

- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Bill Prince"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:20:22 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant 

Anything special about the controller? Windows, MacOS, Linux? Will the 
controller run on a Mikrotik? 

bp
 On 1/13/2015 9:17 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: 

You need a unifi controller to manage the system. The individual AP's don't 
have a web page. You put the controller on the same LAN segment as the AP's and 
it will discover them and add them to the network. 

You could use your laptop as the "controller" to set them up and then take it 
with you when you leave. The AP's will keep working without being able to reach 
the controller.but don't do that. If you want to change anything later 
you'd have to go back with the same laptop. If you want to associate the AP's 
with a different controller you have to default them. 

For a super small deployment I just install the controller software on the 
customer's PC. Once you get past a handful of AP's then you include a $300 PC 
in the cost estimate. 

So the unifi is like a normal ubnt. Product just program it and leave. It? 
On Jan 13, 2015 10:47 AM, "Rory Conaway" < r...@triadwireless.net > wrote: 

I have a customer yanking out his Meraki’s in a couple months and going to 
UniFi. We have a installations with them, zero problems. But you do need a 
management computer. I have the XClaim radio too that I tested at my house. The 
only problem is no management tool outside your phone and you have to be 
onsite. They said they will have something in a few months for that. 

Xirrus is enterprise grade and probably as expensive as Meraki with all the 
bells and whistles. I’d stick to UniFi if it was me for financial reasons if 
you simply want to give away free internet. 

Rory 

From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:31 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant 

I have 2 at home, easy setup. Basic feature set… problem with reatail locations 
like restaurants is that you need control of the users… how much time they can 
browse, when the AP will be available (avoiding night leeches), login 
mechanisms, value added marketing for the host restaurant (like pop ups every x 
min with advertisement) Etc… Retail is a different animal… Meraki even offers 
visit statistics of how many passerbys( mac detected but not registered) , 
users (loged in) with how long they stayed, how recurrently the pass or visit 
ect! Very extensive reports for the host restaurant/retail location 

Gino A. Villarini 

President 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 

www.aeronetpr.com 

@aeronetpr 

From: Darin Steffl < darin.ste...@mnwifi.com > 
Reply-To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 12:24 PM 
To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant 

We also ordered a few Xclaim AP's and they seem to be performing really well 
and at a great price as well. 

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Daniel White < afmu...@gmail.com > wrote: 
The new Xclaim AP's are designed for this type of environment. Get the Ruckus 
RF engineering technology with the coffee shop type price. 

Installing one in our new office... will have my hands on it on Friday. Only 
need a single AP... and of course it will be lightly loaded (mostly for cell 
phones,etc... computers are hardwired typically). 

Got mine from JR at WAV - good price on those units too. 

Daniel White – Managing Director 
SAF North America LLC 

Cell: (303) 746-3590 
Skype: danieldwhite 
daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com 

> -Original Message- 
> From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:19 AM 
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant 
> 

> The problem I have with Unifi is there really isn't a stand alone feature 
> that 
> doesn't require a controller that I know of. I would like the option of 
> logging 
> in locally, changing a few settings, and moving on. 
> 
> Cameron Crum wrote: 
> > Unifi is not hard to set up at all. I put about 20 of them in my kid's 
> > school and it works great. VLAN'd 3 separate networks, one for 
> > teachers, one for students, and one for guests. I don't use the 
> > payments stuff of course and access is still controlled by a CCR 
> > behind it all, but it has not even had so much as a hiccup in over a 
> > year since it went in. This is not even the enterprise version as it 
> > was not out yet when I put the system in. 
> > 
> > Cameron 
> > 
> > On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Bill Prince < part15...@gmail.com 
> > > wrote: 
> > 
> > Gino, 
> > 
> > What do like (and dislike?) about Meraki, and which others have 
> > you tried? 
> > 
> >

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

If u use  unifi I have a tower not far from this restaurant and may put a
PC there

Or put one on site and do remote desktop to my office
On Jan 13, 2015 11:18 AM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

>
> You need a unifi controller to manage the system.  The individual AP's
> don't have a web page.  You put the controller on the same LAN segment as
> the AP's and it will discover them and add them to the network.
>
> You could use your laptop as the "controller" to set them up and then take
> it with you when you leave.  The AP's will keep working without being able
> to reach the controller.but don't do that.  If you want to change
> anything later you'd have to go back with the same laptop.  If you want to
> associate the AP's with a different controller you have to default them.
>
> For a super small deployment I just install the controller software on the
> customer's PC.  Once you get past a handful of AP's then you include a $300
> PC in the cost estimate.
>
>  So the unifi is like a normal ubnt. Product just program it and leave.
> It?
> On Jan 13, 2015 10:47 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>
>>  I have a customer yanking out his Meraki’s in a couple months and going
>> to UniFi.  We have a installations with them, zero problems.  But you do
>> need a management computer.  I have the XClaim radio too that I tested at
>> my house.  The only problem is no management tool outside your phone and
>> you have to be onsite.  They said they will have something in a few months
>> for that.
>>
>>
>>
>> Xirrus is enterprise grade and probably as expensive as Meraki with all
>> the bells and whistles.  I’d stick to UniFi if it was me for financial
>> reasons if you simply want to give away free internet.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:31 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>>
>>
>>
>> I have 2 at home, easy setup. Basic feature set… problem with reatail
>> locations like restaurants is that you need control of the users… how much
>> time they can browse, when the AP will be available (avoiding night
>> leeches), login mechanisms, value added marketing for the host restaurant
>> (like pop ups every x min with advertisement) Etc… Retail is a different
>> animal… Meraki even offers visit statistics of how many passerbys( mac
>> detected but not registered) , users (loged in) with how long they stayed,
>> how recurrently the pass or visit ect! Very extensive reports for the host
>> restaurant/retail location
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>>
>> President
>>
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>
>> www.aeronetpr.com
>>
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Darin Steffl 
>> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
>> *Date: *Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 12:24 PM
>> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>>
>>
>>
>> We also ordered a few Xclaim AP's and they seem to be performing really
>> well and at a great price as well.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Daniel White  wrote:
>>
>> The new Xclaim AP's are designed for this type of environment.  Get the
>> Ruckus RF engineering technology with the coffee shop type price.
>>
>> Installing one in our new office... will have my hands on it on Friday.
>> Only need a single AP... and of course it will be lightly loaded (mostly
>> for cell phones,etc... computers are hardwired typically).
>>
>> Got mine from JR at WAV - good price on those units too.
>>
>> Daniel White – Managing Director
>> SAF North America LLC
>>
>> Cell:  (303) 746-3590
>> Skype: danieldwhite
>> daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com
>>
>>
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:19 AM
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>> >
>>
>> > The problem I have with Unifi is there really isn't a stand alone
>> feature that
>> > doesn't require a controller that I know of.  I would like the option
>> of logging
>> > in locally, changing a few settings, and moving on.
>> >
>> > Cameron Crum wrote:
>> > > Unifi is not hard to set up at all. I put about 20 of them in my kid's
>> > > school and it works great. VLAN'd 3 separate networks, one for
>> > > teachers, one for students, and one for guests. I don't use the
>> > > payments stuff of course and access is still controlled by a CCR
>> > > behind it all, but it has not even had so much as a hiccup in over a
>> > > year since it went in. This is not even the enterprise version as it
>> > > was not out yet when I put the system in.
>> > >
>> > > Cameron
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Bill Prince > > > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Gino,
>> > >
>> > > What do like (and dislike?) about Meraki, and which others have
>> > > you tried?
>> > >
>> > > bp
>> > > 
>> > >
>> > > On 1/13/2015 6:47 AM, Gino Villa

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

Sounds like you have to poke a hole in whatever firewalls are in between?

bp

On 1/13/2015 9:19 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Use one controller on a VM somewhere for all of your managed UniFi 
devices.

That's worked since the beginning.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

*From: *"Adam Moffett" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:17:48 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

You need a unifi controller to manage the system.  The individual AP's 
don't have a web page.  You put the controller on the same LAN segment 
as the AP's and it will discover them and add them to the network.

You could use your laptop as the "controller" to set them up and then 
take it with you when you leave.  The AP's will keep working without 
being able to reach the controller.but don't do that.  If you want 
to change anything later you'd have to go back with the same laptop. 
If you want to associate the AP's with a different controller you have 
to default them.

For a super small deployment I just install the controller software on 
the customer's PC.  Once you get past a handful of AP's then you 
include a $300 PC in the cost estimate.

So the unifi is like a normal ubnt. Product just program it and
leave. It?

On Jan 13, 2015 10:47 AM, "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:

I have a customer yanking out his Meraki’s in a couple months
and going to UniFi.  We have a installations with them, zero
problems.  But you do need a management computer.  I have the
XClaim radio too that I tested at my house.  The only problem
is no management tool outside your phone and you have to be
onsite.  They said they will have something in a few months
for that.

Xirrus is enterprise grade and probably as expensive as Meraki
with all the bells and whistles.  I’d stick to UniFi if it was
me for financial reasons if you simply want to give away free
internet.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:31 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

I have 2 at home, easy setup. Basic feature set… problem with
reatail locations like restaurants is that you need control of
the users… how much time they can browse, when the AP will be
available (avoiding night leeches), login mechanisms, value
added marketing for the host restaurant (like pop ups every x
min with advertisement) Etc… Retail is a different animal…
Meraki even offers visit statistics of how many passerbys( mac
detected but not registered) , users (loged in) with how long
they stayed, how recurrently the pass or visit ect! Very
extensive reports for the host restaurant/retail location

Gino A. Villarini

President

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

www.aeronetpr.com 

@aeronetpr

*From: *Darin Steffl mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>>
*Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com " mailto:af@afmug.com>>
*Date: *Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 12:24 PM
*To: *"af@afmug.com " mailto:af@afmug.com>>
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

We also ordered a few Xclaim AP's and they seem to be
performing really well and at a great price as well.

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Daniel White
mailto:afmu...@gmail.com>> wrote:

The new Xclaim AP's are designed for this type of environment.
Get the Ruckus RF engineering technology with the coffee shop
type price.

Installing one in our new office... will have my hands on it
on Friday.  Only need a single AP... and of course it will be
lightly loaded (mostly for cell phones,etc... computers are
hardwired typically).

Got mine from JR at WAV - good price on those units too.

Daniel White – Managing Director
SAF North America LLC

Cell: (303) 746-3590 
Skype: danieldwhite
daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com 

> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] 
On Behalf
Of Jay Weekley
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:19 AM
> To:af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>

> The problem I have with

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

Maybe? I don't typically worry about any of that firewall nonsense. ;-) 

- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Bill Prince"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:21:10 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant 

Sounds like you have to poke a hole in whatever firewalls are in between? 

bp
 On 1/13/2015 9:19 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: 

Use one controller on a VM somewhere for all of your managed UniFi devices. 

That's worked since the beginning. 

- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Adam Moffett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:17:48 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant 

You need a unifi controller to manage the system. The individual AP's don't 
have a web page. You put the controller on the same LAN segment as the AP's and 
it will discover them and add them to the network. 

You could use your laptop as the "controller" to set them up and then take it 
with you when you leave. The AP's will keep working without being able to reach 
the controller.but don't do that. If you want to change anything later 
you'd have to go back with the same laptop. If you want to associate the AP's 
with a different controller you have to default them. 

For a super small deployment I just install the controller software on the 
customer's PC. Once you get past a handful of AP's then you include a $300 PC 
in the cost estimate. 

So the unifi is like a normal ubnt. Product just program it and leave. It? 
On Jan 13, 2015 10:47 AM, "Rory Conaway" < r...@triadwireless.net > wrote: 

I have a customer yanking out his Meraki’s in a couple months and going to 
UniFi. We have a installations with them, zero problems. But you do need a 
management computer. I have the XClaim radio too that I tested at my house. The 
only problem is no management tool outside your phone and you have to be 
onsite. They said they will have something in a few months for that. 

Xirrus is enterprise grade and probably as expensive as Meraki with all the 
bells and whistles. I’d stick to UniFi if it was me for financial reasons if 
you simply want to give away free internet. 

Rory 

From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:31 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant 

I have 2 at home, easy setup. Basic feature set… problem with reatail locations 
like restaurants is that you need control of the users… how much time they can 
browse, when the AP will be available (avoiding night leeches), login 
mechanisms, value added marketing for the host restaurant (like pop ups every x 
min with advertisement) Etc… Retail is a different animal… Meraki even offers 
visit statistics of how many passerbys( mac detected but not registered) , 
users (loged in) with how long they stayed, how recurrently the pass or visit 
ect! Very extensive reports for the host restaurant/retail location 

Gino A. Villarini 

President 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 

www.aeronetpr.com 

@aeronetpr 

From: Darin Steffl < darin.ste...@mnwifi.com > 
Reply-To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 12:24 PM 
To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant 

We also ordered a few Xclaim AP's and they seem to be performing really well 
and at a great price as well. 

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Daniel White < afmu...@gmail.com > wrote: 
The new Xclaim AP's are designed for this type of environment. Get the Ruckus 
RF engineering technology with the coffee shop type price. 

Installing one in our new office... will have my hands on it on Friday. Only 
need a single AP... and of course it will be lightly loaded (mostly for cell 
phones,etc... computers are hardwired typically). 

Got mine from JR at WAV - good price on those units too. 

Daniel White – Managing Director 
SAF North America LLC 

Cell: (303) 746-3590 
Skype: danieldwhite 
daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com 

> -Original Message- 
> From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:19 AM 
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant 
> 

> The problem I have with Unifi is there really isn't a stand alone feature 
> that 
> doesn't require a controller that I know of. I would like the option of 
> logging 
> in locally, changing a few settings, and moving on. 
> 
> Cameron Crum wrote: 
> > Unifi is not hard to set up at all. I put about 20 of them in my kid's 
> > school and it works great. VLAN'd 3 separate networks, one for 
> > teachers, one for students, and one for guests. I don't use the 
> > payments stuff of course and access is still controlled by a CCR 
> > behind it all, but it has not even had so much as a hiccup in over a 
> > year sin

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

UniFi communicates out (the devices) to establish an SSL tunnel for 
communication. No holes would need to be poked on the client site.

This product has been out for like three years and is dirt cheap, how have you 
guys not used it? :)

On January 13, 2015 8:21:11 AM AKST, Bill Prince  wrote:
>Sounds like you have to poke a hole in whatever firewalls are in
>between?
>
>bp
>
>
>On 1/13/2015 9:19 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> Use one controller on a VM somewhere for all of your managed UniFi 
>> devices.
>>
>> That's worked since the beginning.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>
>>
>>
>
>> *From: *"Adam Moffett" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:17:48 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>>
>>
>> You need a unifi controller to manage the system.  The individual
>AP's 
>> don't have a web page.  You put the controller on the same LAN
>segment 
>> as the AP's and it will discover them and add them to the network.
>>
>> You could use your laptop as the "controller" to set them up and then
>
>> take it with you when you leave.  The AP's will keep working without 
>> being able to reach the controller.but don't do that.  If you
>want 
>> to change anything later you'd have to go back with the same laptop. 
>> If you want to associate the AP's with a different controller you
>have 
>> to default them.
>>
>> For a super small deployment I just install the controller software
>on 
>> the customer's PC.  Once you get past a handful of AP's then you 
>> include a $300 PC in the cost estimate.
>>
>> So the unifi is like a normal ubnt. Product just program it and
>> leave. It?
>>
>> On Jan 13, 2015 10:47 AM, "Rory Conaway" > > wrote:
>>
>> I have a customer yanking out his Meraki’s in a couple months
>> and going to UniFi.  We have a installations with them, zero
>> problems.  But you do need a management computer.  I have the
>> XClaim radio too that I tested at my house.  The only problem
>> is no management tool outside your phone and you have to be
>> onsite.  They said they will have something in a few months
>> for that.
>>
>> Xirrus is enterprise grade and probably as expensive as
>Meraki
>> with all the bells and whistles.  I’d stick to UniFi if it
>was
>> me for financial reasons if you simply want to give away free
>> internet.
>>
>> Rory
>>
>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:31 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>>
>> I have 2 at home, easy setup. Basic feature set… problem with
>> reatail locations like restaurants is that you need control
>of
>> the users… how much time they can browse, when the AP will be
>> available (avoiding night leeches), login mechanisms, value
>> added marketing for the host restaurant (like pop ups every x
>> min with advertisement) Etc… Retail is a different animal…
>> Meraki even offers visit statistics of how many passerbys(
>mac
>> detected but not registered) , users (loged in) with how long
>> they stayed, how recurrently the pass or visit ect! Very
>> extensive reports for the host restaurant/retail location
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>>
>> President
>>
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>
>> www.aeronetpr.com 
>>
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>> *From: *Darin Steffl > >
>> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com "
>> >
>> *Date: *Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 12:24 PM
>> *To: *"af@afmug.com " > >
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>>
>> We also ordered a few Xclaim AP's and they seem to be
>> performing really well and at a great price as well.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Daniel White
>> mailto:afmu...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> The new Xclaim AP's are designed for this type of
>environment.
>> Get the Ruckus RF engineering technology with the coffee shop
>> type price.
>>
>> Installing one in our new office... will have my hands on it
>> on Friday.  Only need a single AP... and of course it will be
>> lightly loaded (mostly for cell phones,etc... computers are
>> har

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

So if your controller is running on a VM in the cloud, and the unify 
box(es) is/are behind NAT, how does the controller reach through the 
NAT?  Or do the unify box(es) reach out?


bp


On 1/13/2015 9:21 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Windows and Linux. Not sure about Mac. No, it won't run on Mikrotik.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com




*From: *"Bill Prince" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:20:22 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

Anything special about the controller?  Windows, MacOS, Linux?  Will 
the controller run on a Mikrotik?


bp


On 1/13/2015 9:17 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:


You need a unifi controller to manage the system.  The individual
AP's don't have a web page.  You put the controller on the same
LAN segment as the AP's and it will discover them and add them to
the network.

You could use your laptop as the "controller" to set them up and
then take it with you when you leave.  The AP's will keep working
without being able to reach the controller.but don't do that. 
If you want to change anything later you'd have to go back with

the same laptop.  If you want to associate the AP's with a
different controller you have to default them.

For a super small deployment I just install the controller
software on the customer's PC.  Once you get past a handful of
AP's then you include a $300 PC in the cost estimate.

So the unifi is like a normal ubnt. Product just program it
and leave. It?

On Jan 13, 2015 10:47 AM, "Rory Conaway"
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:

I have a customer yanking out his Meraki’s in a couple
months and going to UniFi.  We have a installations with
them, zero problems.  But you do need a management
computer.  I have the XClaim radio too that I tested at my
house.  The only problem is no management tool outside
your phone and you have to be onsite.  They said they will
have something in a few months for that.

Xirrus is enterprise grade and probably as expensive as
Meraki with all the bells and whistles.  I’d stick to
UniFi if it was me for financial reasons if you simply
want to give away free internet.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:31 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

I have 2 at home, easy setup. Basic feature set… problem
with reatail locations like restaurants is that you need
control of the users… how much time they can browse, when
the AP will be available (avoiding night leeches), login
mechanisms, value added marketing for the host restaurant
(like pop ups every x min with advertisement) Etc… Retail
is a different animal… Meraki even offers visit statistics
of how many passerbys( mac detected but not registered) ,
users (loged in) with how long they stayed, how
recurrently the pass or visit ect! Very extensive reports
for the host restaurant/retail location

Gino A. Villarini

President

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

www.aeronetpr.com 

@aeronetpr

*From: *Darin Steffl mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>>
*Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com "
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
*Date: *Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 12:24 PM
*To: *"af@afmug.com " mailto:af@afmug.com>>
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

We also ordered a few Xclaim AP's and they seem to be
performing really well and at a great price as well.

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Daniel White
mailto:afmu...@gmail.com>> wrote:

The new Xclaim AP's are designed for this type of
environment.  Get the Ruckus RF engineering technology
with the coffee shop type price.

Installing one in our new office... will have my hands on
it on Friday. Only need a single AP... and of course it
will be lightly loaded (mostly for cell phones,etc...
computers are hardwired typically).

Got mine from JR at WAV - good price on those units too.

Daniel White – Managing Director

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

2015-01-13 Thread David


Has anyone played with CAPSMAN on the mikrotiks yet?
Going to training in February for it.

On 01/13/2015 11:22 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Maybe? I don't typically worry about any of that firewall nonsense.  ;-)



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com




*From: *"Bill Prince" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:21:10 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

Sounds like you have to poke a hole in whatever firewalls are in between?

bp


On 1/13/2015 9:19 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Use one controller on a VM somewhere for all of your managed UniFi
devices.

That's worked since the beginning.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com





*From: *"Adam Moffett" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:17:48 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant


You need a unifi controller to manage the system.  The individual
AP's don't have a web page.  You put the controller on the same
LAN segment as the AP's and it will discover them and add them to
the network.

You could use your laptop as the "controller" to set them up and
then take it with you when you leave.  The AP's will keep working
without being able to reach the controller.but don't do that. 
If you want to change anything later you'd have to go back with

the same laptop.  If you want to associate the AP's with a
different controller you have to default them.

For a super small deployment I just install the controller
software on the customer's PC.  Once you get past a handful of
AP's then you include a $300 PC in the cost estimate.

So the unifi is like a normal ubnt. Product just program it
and leave. It?

On Jan 13, 2015 10:47 AM, "Rory Conaway"
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:

I have a customer yanking out his Meraki’s in a couple
months and going to UniFi.  We have a installations with
them, zero problems. But you do need a management
computer.  I have the XClaim radio too that I tested at my
house.  The only problem is no management tool outside
your phone and you have to be onsite.  They said they will
have something in a few months for that.

Xirrus is enterprise grade and probably as expensive as
Meraki with all the bells and whistles.  I’d stick to
UniFi if it was me for financial reasons if you simply
want to give away free internet.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:31 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

I have 2 at home, easy setup. Basic feature set… problem
with reatail locations like restaurants is that you need
control of the users… how much time they can browse, when
the AP will be available (avoiding night leeches), login
mechanisms, value added marketing for the host restaurant
(like pop ups every x min with advertisement) Etc… Retail
is a different animal… Meraki even offers visit statistics
of how many passerbys( mac detected but not registered) ,
users (loged in) with how long they stayed, how
recurrently the pass or visit ect! Very extensive reports
for the host restaurant/retail location

Gino A. Villarini

President

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

www.aeronetpr.com 

@aeronetpr

*From: *Darin Steffl mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>>
*Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com "
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
*Date: *Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 12:24 PM
*To: *"af@afmug.com " mailto:af@afmug.com>>
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

We also ordered a few Xclaim AP's and they seem to be
performing really well and at a great price as well.

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Daniel White
mailto:afmu...@gmail.com>> wrote:

The new Xclaim AP's

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

Why wouldn't you just host the controller in your datacenter (or cloud) and
then charge for a managed service?  No reason to have an on-premise
controller.

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:17 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

>
> You need a unifi controller to manage the system.  The individual AP's
> don't have a web page.  You put the controller on the same LAN segment as
> the AP's and it will discover them and add them to the network.
>
> You could use your laptop as the "controller" to set them up and then take
> it with you when you leave.  The AP's will keep working without being able
> to reach the controller.but don't do that.  If you want to change
> anything later you'd have to go back with the same laptop.  If you want to
> associate the AP's with a different controller you have to default them.
>
> For a super small deployment I just install the controller software on the
> customer's PC.  Once you get past a handful of AP's then you include a $300
> PC in the cost estimate.
>
>  So the unifi is like a normal ubnt. Product just program it and leave.
> It?
> On Jan 13, 2015 10:47 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>
>>  I have a customer yanking out his Meraki’s in a couple months and going
>> to UniFi.  We have a installations with them, zero problems.  But you do
>> need a management computer.  I have the XClaim radio too that I tested at
>> my house.  The only problem is no management tool outside your phone and
>> you have to be onsite.  They said they will have something in a few months
>> for that.
>>
>>
>>
>> Xirrus is enterprise grade and probably as expensive as Meraki with all
>> the bells and whistles.  I’d stick to UniFi if it was me for financial
>> reasons if you simply want to give away free internet.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:31 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>>
>>
>>
>> I have 2 at home, easy setup. Basic feature set… problem with reatail
>> locations like restaurants is that you need control of the users… how much
>> time they can browse, when the AP will be available (avoiding night
>> leeches), login mechanisms, value added marketing for the host restaurant
>> (like pop ups every x min with advertisement) Etc… Retail is a different
>> animal… Meraki even offers visit statistics of how many passerbys( mac
>> detected but not registered) , users (loged in) with how long they stayed,
>> how recurrently the pass or visit ect! Very extensive reports for the host
>> restaurant/retail location
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>>
>> President
>>
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>
>> www.aeronetpr.com
>>
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Darin Steffl 
>> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
>> *Date: *Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 12:24 PM
>> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>>
>>
>>
>> We also ordered a few Xclaim AP's and they seem to be performing really
>> well and at a great price as well.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Daniel White  wrote:
>>
>> The new Xclaim AP's are designed for this type of environment.  Get the
>> Ruckus RF engineering technology with the coffee shop type price.
>>
>> Installing one in our new office... will have my hands on it on Friday.
>> Only need a single AP... and of course it will be lightly loaded (mostly
>> for cell phones,etc... computers are hardwired typically).
>>
>> Got mine from JR at WAV - good price on those units too.
>>
>> Daniel White – Managing Director
>> SAF North America LLC
>>
>> Cell:  (303) 746-3590
>> Skype: danieldwhite
>> daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com
>>
>>
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:19 AM
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>> >
>>
>> > The problem I have with Unifi is there really isn't a stand alone
>> feature that
>>
>> > doesn't require a controller that I know of.  I would like the option
>> of logging
>> > in locally, changing a few settings, and moving on.
>> >
>> > Cameron Crum wrote:
>> > > Unifi is not hard to set up at all. I put about 20 of them in my kid's
>> > > school and it works great. VLAN'd 3 separate networks, one for
>> > > teachers, one for students, and one for guests. I don't use the
>> > > payments stuff of course and access is still controlled by a CCR
>> > > behind it all, but it has not even had so much as a hiccup in over a
>> > > year since it went in. This is not even the enterprise version as it
>> > > was not out yet when I put the system in.
>> > >
>> > > Cameron
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Bill Prince > > > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Gino,
>> > >
>> > > What do like (and dislike?) about Meraki, and which others have
>> > > you tried?
>> > >
>> > > bp
>> > > 
>> > >
>> > > On 1

[AFMUG] Epmp Link Quality vs Link Capacity?

Got 98% Link Quality and 40% Link Capacity, what this translates to?



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

2015-01-13 Thread Caleb Knauer

The UAP phone home and establish the connection.  No poking needed.  All
encrypted.

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

>  So if your controller is running on a VM in the cloud, and the unify
> box(es) is/are behind NAT, how does the controller reach through the NAT?
> Or do the unify box(es) reach out?
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 1/13/2015 9:21 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> Windows and Linux. Not sure about Mac. No, it won't run on Mikrotik.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>  
> 
> 
> 
>
>  --
> *From: *"Bill Prince"  
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:20:22 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>
> Anything special about the controller?  Windows, MacOS, Linux?  Will the
> controller run on a Mikrotik?
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 1/13/2015 9:17 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
>
> You need a unifi controller to manage the system.  The individual AP's
> don't have a web page.  You put the controller on the same LAN segment as
> the AP's and it will discover them and add them to the network.
>
> You could use your laptop as the "controller" to set them up and then take
> it with you when you leave.  The AP's will keep working without being able
> to reach the controller.but don't do that.  If you want to change
> anything later you'd have to go back with the same laptop.  If you want to
> associate the AP's with a different controller you have to default them.
>
> For a super small deployment I just install the controller software on the
> customer's PC.  Once you get past a handful of AP's then you include a $300
> PC in the cost estimate.
>
>  So the unifi is like a normal ubnt. Product just program it and leave.
> It?
> On Jan 13, 2015 10:47 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>
>>  I have a customer yanking out his Meraki’s in a couple months and going
>> to UniFi.  We have a installations with them, zero problems.  But you do
>> need a management computer.  I have the XClaim radio too that I tested at
>> my house.  The only problem is no management tool outside your phone and
>> you have to be onsite.  They said they will have something in a few months
>> for that.
>>
>>
>>
>> Xirrus is enterprise grade and probably as expensive as Meraki with all
>> the bells and whistles.  I’d stick to UniFi if it was me for financial
>> reasons if you simply want to give away free internet.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:31 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>>
>>
>>
>> I have 2 at home, easy setup. Basic feature set… problem with reatail
>> locations like restaurants is that you need control of the users… how much
>> time they can browse, when the AP will be available (avoiding night
>> leeches), login mechanisms, value added marketing for the host restaurant
>> (like pop ups every x min with advertisement) Etc… Retail is a different
>> animal… Meraki even offers visit statistics of how many passerbys( mac
>> detected but not registered) , users (loged in) with how long they stayed,
>> how recurrently the pass or visit ect! Very extensive reports for the host
>> restaurant/retail location
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>>
>> President
>>
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>
>> www.aeronetpr.com
>>
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Darin Steffl 
>> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
>> *Date: *Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 12:24 PM
>> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>>
>>
>>
>> We also ordered a few Xclaim AP's and they seem to be performing really
>> well and at a great price as well.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Daniel White  wrote:
>>
>> The new Xclaim AP's are designed for this type of environment.  Get the
>> Ruckus RF engineering technology with the coffee shop type price.
>>
>> Installing one in our new office... will have my hands on it on Friday.
>> Only need a single AP... and of course it will be lightly loaded (mostly
>> for cell phones,etc... computers are hardwired typically).
>>
>> Got mine from JR at WAV - good price on those units too.
>>
>> Daniel White – Managing Director
>> SAF North America LLC
>>
>> Cell:  (303) 746-3590
>> Skype: danieldwhite
>> daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com
>>
>>
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:19 AM
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>> >
>>
>> > The problem I have with Unifi is there really isn't a stand alone
>> feature that
>> > doesn't require a controller that I know of.  I would like the option
>> of logging
>> > in loca

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

We don't do much inside a customer's network.  Almost zero in fact.  We 
leave customer internal network stuff to people that do that for a living.



bp


On 1/13/2015 9:25 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
UniFi communicates out (the devices) to establish an SSL tunnel for 
communication. No holes would need to be poked on the client site.


This product has been out for like three years and is dirt cheap, how 
have you guys not used it? :)


On January 13, 2015 8:21:11 AM AKST, Bill Prince  
wrote:


Sounds like you have to poke a hole in whatever firewalls are in
between?

bp


On 1/13/2015 9:19 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Use one controller on a VM somewhere for all of your managed
UniFi devices.

That's worked since the beginning.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com





*From: *"Adam Moffett" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:17:48 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant


You need a unifi controller to manage the system.  The individual
AP's don't have a web page.  You put the controller on the same
LAN segment as the AP's and it will discover them and add them to
the network.

You could use your laptop as the "controller" to set them up and
then take it with you when you leave.  The AP's will keep working
without being able to reach the controller.but don't do
that.  If you want to change anything later you'd have to go back
with the same laptop.  If you want to associate the AP's with a
different controller you have to default them.

For a super small deployment I just install the controller
software on the customer's PC.  Once you get past a handful of
AP's then you include a $300 PC in the cost estimate.

So the unifi is like a normal ubnt. Product just program it
and leave. It?

On Jan 13, 2015 10:47 AM, "Rory Conaway"
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:

I have a customer yanking out his Meraki’s in a couple
months and going to UniFi.  We have a installations with
them, zero problems. But you do need a management
computer.  I have the XClaim radio too that I tested at
my house.  The only problem is no management tool outside
your phone and you have to be onsite.  They said they
will have something in a few months for that.

Xirrus is enterprise grade and probably as expensive as
Meraki with all the bells and whistles.  I’d stick to
UniFi if it was me for financial reasons if you simply
want to give away free internet.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:31 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

I have 2 at home, easy setup. Basic feature set… problem
with reatail locations like restaurants is that you need
control of the users… how much time they can browse, when
the AP will be available (avoiding night leeches), login
mechanisms, value added marketing for the host restaurant
(like pop ups every x min with advertisement) Etc… Retail
is a different animal… Meraki even offers visit
statistics of how many passerbys( mac detected but not
registered) , users (loged in) with how long they stayed,
how recurrently the pass or visit ect! Very extensive
reports for the host restaurant/retail location

Gino A. Villarini

President

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

www.aeronetpr.com 

@aeronetpr

*From: *Darin Steffl mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>>
*Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com "
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
*Date: *Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 12:24 PM
*To: *"af@afmug.com " mailto:af@afmug.com>>
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

We also ordered a few Xclaim AP's and they seem to be
performing really well and at a great price as well.

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Daniel White
mailto:afmu...@gmail.com>> wrote:

The new Xclaim AP's are designed for this type of
environment.  Get the Ruckus RF engineering technology
with the coffee shop type price.

Installi

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

The units reach out to the hostname of "unifi" on boot and attempt to 
provision. Or via dhcp option 43.

Then you adopt them to the site in the controller (say Billy Bob's Banjos and 
Burgers), and assign wireless profiles to the devices.

On January 13, 2015 8:26:10 AM AKST, Bill Prince  wrote:
>So if your controller is running on a VM in the cloud, and the unify 
>box(es) is/are behind NAT, how does the controller reach through the 
>NAT?  Or do the unify box(es) reach out?
>
>bp
>
>
>On 1/13/2015 9:21 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> Windows and Linux. Not sure about Mac. No, it won't run on Mikrotik.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>
>>
>>
>
>> *From: *"Bill Prince" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:20:22 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>>
>> Anything special about the controller?  Windows, MacOS, Linux?  Will 
>> the controller run on a Mikrotik?
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 1/13/2015 9:17 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>
>>
>> You need a unifi controller to manage the system.  The individual
>> AP's don't have a web page.  You put the controller on the same
>> LAN segment as the AP's and it will discover them and add them to
>> the network.
>>
>> You could use your laptop as the "controller" to set them up and
>> then take it with you when you leave.  The AP's will keep working
>> without being able to reach the controller.but don't do that.
>
>> If you want to change anything later you'd have to go back with
>> the same laptop.  If you want to associate the AP's with a
>> different controller you have to default them.
>>
>> For a super small deployment I just install the controller
>> software on the customer's PC.  Once you get past a handful of
>> AP's then you include a $300 PC in the cost estimate.
>>
>> So the unifi is like a normal ubnt. Product just program it
>> and leave. It?
>>
>> On Jan 13, 2015 10:47 AM, "Rory Conaway"
>> mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
>wrote:
>>
>> I have a customer yanking out his Meraki’s in a couple
>> months and going to UniFi.  We have a installations with
>> them, zero problems.  But you do need a management
>> computer.  I have the XClaim radio too that I tested at
>my
>> house.  The only problem is no management tool outside
>> your phone and you have to be onsite.  They said they
>will
>> have something in a few months for that.
>>
>> Xirrus is enterprise grade and probably as expensive as
>> Meraki with all the bells and whistles.  I’d stick to
>> UniFi if it was me for financial reasons if you simply
>> want to give away free internet.
>>
>> Rory
>>
>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Gino
>Villarini
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:31 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>>
>> I have 2 at home, easy setup. Basic feature set… problem
>> with reatail locations like restaurants is that you need
>> control of the users… how much time they can browse, when
>> the AP will be available (avoiding night leeches), login
>> mechanisms, value added marketing for the host restaurant
>> (like pop ups every x min with advertisement) Etc… Retail
>> is a different animal… Meraki even offers visit
>statistics
>> of how many passerbys( mac detected but not registered) ,
>> users (loged in) with how long they stayed, how
>> recurrently the pass or visit ect! Very extensive reports
>> for the host restaurant/retail location
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>>
>> President
>>
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>
>> www.aeronetpr.com 
>>
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>> *From: *Darin Steffl > >
>> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com "
>> mailto:af@afmug.com>>
>> *Date: *Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 12:24 PM
>> *To: *"af@afmug.com " > >
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>>
>> We also ordered a few Xclaim AP's and they seem to be
>> performing really well and at a great price as well.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

Several different ways.  DNS is one.

https://community.ubnt.com/t5/UniFi-Controller-Installation/UniFi-Layer-3-methods-for-UAP-adoption-and-management/ta-p/455643

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

>  So if your controller is running on a VM in the cloud, and the unify
> box(es) is/are behind NAT, how does the controller reach through the NAT?
> Or do the unify box(es) reach out?
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 1/13/2015 9:21 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> Windows and Linux. Not sure about Mac. No, it won't run on Mikrotik.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>  
> 
> 
> 
>
>  --
> *From: *"Bill Prince"  
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:20:22 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>
> Anything special about the controller?  Windows, MacOS, Linux?  Will the
> controller run on a Mikrotik?
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 1/13/2015 9:17 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
>
> You need a unifi controller to manage the system.  The individual AP's
> don't have a web page.  You put the controller on the same LAN segment as
> the AP's and it will discover them and add them to the network.
>
> You could use your laptop as the "controller" to set them up and then take
> it with you when you leave.  The AP's will keep working without being able
> to reach the controller.but don't do that.  If you want to change
> anything later you'd have to go back with the same laptop.  If you want to
> associate the AP's with a different controller you have to default them.
>
> For a super small deployment I just install the controller software on the
> customer's PC.  Once you get past a handful of AP's then you include a $300
> PC in the cost estimate.
>
>  So the unifi is like a normal ubnt. Product just program it and leave.
> It?
> On Jan 13, 2015 10:47 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>
>>  I have a customer yanking out his Meraki’s in a couple months and going
>> to UniFi.  We have a installations with them, zero problems.  But you do
>> need a management computer.  I have the XClaim radio too that I tested at
>> my house.  The only problem is no management tool outside your phone and
>> you have to be onsite.  They said they will have something in a few months
>> for that.
>>
>>
>>
>> Xirrus is enterprise grade and probably as expensive as Meraki with all
>> the bells and whistles.  I’d stick to UniFi if it was me for financial
>> reasons if you simply want to give away free internet.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:31 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>>
>>
>>
>> I have 2 at home, easy setup. Basic feature set… problem with reatail
>> locations like restaurants is that you need control of the users… how much
>> time they can browse, when the AP will be available (avoiding night
>> leeches), login mechanisms, value added marketing for the host restaurant
>> (like pop ups every x min with advertisement) Etc… Retail is a different
>> animal… Meraki even offers visit statistics of how many passerbys( mac
>> detected but not registered) , users (loged in) with how long they stayed,
>> how recurrently the pass or visit ect! Very extensive reports for the host
>> restaurant/retail location
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>>
>> President
>>
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>
>> www.aeronetpr.com
>>
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Darin Steffl 
>> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
>> *Date: *Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 12:24 PM
>> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>>
>>
>>
>> We also ordered a few Xclaim AP's and they seem to be performing really
>> well and at a great price as well.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Daniel White  wrote:
>>
>> The new Xclaim AP's are designed for this type of environment.  Get the
>> Ruckus RF engineering technology with the coffee shop type price.
>>
>> Installing one in our new office... will have my hands on it on Friday.
>> Only need a single AP... and of course it will be lightly loaded (mostly
>> for cell phones,etc... computers are hardwired typically).
>>
>> Got mine from JR at WAV - good price on those units too.
>>
>> Daniel White – Managing Director
>> SAF North America LLC
>>
>> Cell:  (303) 746-3590
>> Skype: danieldwhite
>> daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com
>>
>>
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:19 AM
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>> >
>>
>> > The problem I have with Unifi is there really isn't a stand alone
>> feature that
>> > doesn't require

Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices

2015-01-13 Thread Vlad Sedov


you're welcome..

vlad


On 1/13/2015 10:35 AM, That One Guy wrote:

I thank vlad

but when this rebounds, its going to hurt, not "hey doc it burns a 
little when i pee" hurt, real hurt


On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Bill Prince > wrote:


It's Saudi Arabia trying to squeeze out all the marginal
producers.  Initially it will be Russia and some of the other
marginals like Iraq & Iran.

Pretty sure the shale oil and tar sands guys are hurting big time
right now.

bp


On 1/13/2015 8:03 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I wonder what is really driving the price down.  Fracking, OPEC
diaspora, CAFE improvements, Russia problems ???
*From:* Jeremy 
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 13, 2015 8:54 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices
Thanks Obama!  (he gets blamed for EVERYTHING, right??)
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

Same up here in Ohio.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jan 13, 2015 10:35 AM, "joseph marsh"
mailto:bwireless...@gmail.com>> wrote:

1.75 here in my area

On Jan 13, 2015 9:35 AM, "Vlad Sedov" mailto:v...@atlasok.com>> wrote:

$1.50 to $1.55 in oklahoma city.. crazy.

vlad

On 1/13/2015 9:32 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:

I never thought I would see gas prices this low.
We have stations at $1.71/gallon in our area
right now. :)

Travis







--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that 
the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if 
you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all 
means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

It works great for wireless in your office along with having free but limited 
Wi-Fi for customers there as well. You could also demo different Wi-Fi speeds 
by having different SSIDs assigned to different bandwidth limits, like "6Mb"," 
10Mb", etc. Good for upselling. Each UAP can broadcast up to 4 SSIDs with 
unique settings and controls.

On January 13, 2015 8:28:18 AM AKST, Bill Prince  wrote:
>We don't do much inside a customer's network.  Almost zero in fact.  We
>
>leave customer internal network stuff to people that do that for a
>living.
>
>
>bp
>
>
>On 1/13/2015 9:25 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>> UniFi communicates out (the devices) to establish an SSL tunnel for 
>> communication. No holes would need to be poked on the client site.
>>
>> This product has been out for like three years and is dirt cheap, how
>
>> have you guys not used it? :)
>>
>> On January 13, 2015 8:21:11 AM AKST, Bill Prince
> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Sounds like you have to poke a hole in whatever firewalls are in
>> between?
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 1/13/2015 9:19 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>> Use one controller on a VM somewhere for all of your managed
>>> UniFi devices.
>>>
>>> That's worked since the beginning.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>
>
>>>
>>>
>
>>> *From: *"Adam Moffett" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:17:48 AM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>>>
>>>
>>> You need a unifi controller to manage the system.  The
>individual
>>> AP's don't have a web page.  You put the controller on the same
>>> LAN segment as the AP's and it will discover them and add them
>to
>>> the network.
>>>
>>> You could use your laptop as the "controller" to set them up and
>>> then take it with you when you leave.  The AP's will keep
>working
>>> without being able to reach the controller.but don't do
>>> that.  If you want to change anything later you'd have to go
>back
>>> with the same laptop.  If you want to associate the AP's with a
>>> different controller you have to default them.
>>>
>>> For a super small deployment I just install the controller
>>> software on the customer's PC.  Once you get past a handful of
>>> AP's then you include a $300 PC in the cost estimate.
>>>
>>> So the unifi is like a normal ubnt. Product just program it
>>> and leave. It?
>>>
>>> On Jan 13, 2015 10:47 AM, "Rory Conaway"
>>> mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
>wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a customer yanking out his Meraki’s in a couple
>>> months and going to UniFi.  We have a installations with
>>> them, zero problems. But you do need a management
>>> computer.  I have the XClaim radio too that I tested at
>>> my house.  The only problem is no management tool
>outside
>>> your phone and you have to be onsite.  They said they
>>> will have something in a few months for that.
>>>
>>> Xirrus is enterprise grade and probably as expensive as
>>> Meraki with all the bells and whistles.  I’d stick to
>>> UniFi if it was me for financial reasons if you simply
>>> want to give away free internet.
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>>> ] *On Behalf Of *Gino
>Villarini
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:31 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>>>
>>> I have 2 at home, easy setup. Basic feature set… problem
>>> with reatail locations like restaurants is that you need
>>> control of the users… how much time they can browse,
>when
>>> the AP will be available (avoiding night leeches), login
>>> mechanisms, value added marketing for the host
>restaurant
>>> (like pop ups every x min with advertisement) Etc…
>Retail
>>> is a different animal… Meraki even offers visit
>>> statistics of how many passerbys( mac detected but not
>>> registered) , users (loged in) with how long they
>stayed,
>>> how recurrently the pass or visit ect! Very extensive
>>> reports for the host restaurant/retail location
>>>
>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>>
>>> President
>>>
>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>>
>>> www.aeronetpr.com 
>>>
>>> @aeronetpr
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

2015-01-13 Thread Ken Hohhof

I wonder how long before we start seeing stickers identifying those things that 
still work when “the cloud” is down.
Maybe an emergency kit of “cloud free” tools for after the apocalypse.

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

Use one controller on a VM somewhere for all of your managed UniFi devices.

That's worked since the beginning.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:17:48 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

You need a unifi controller to manage the system.  The individual AP's don't 
have a web page.  You put the controller on the same LAN segment as the AP's 
and it will discover them and add them to the network.

You could use your laptop as the "controller" to set them up and then take it 
with you when you leave.  The AP's will keep working without being able to 
reach the controller.but don't do that.  If you want to change anything 
later you'd have to go back with the same laptop.  If you want to associate the 
AP's with a different controller you have to default them.  

For a super small deployment I just install the controller software on the 
customer's PC.  Once you get past a handful of AP's then you include a $300 PC 
in the cost estimate.

  So the unifi is like a normal ubnt. Product just program it and leave. It?

  On Jan 13, 2015 10:47 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

I have a customer yanking out his Meraki’s in a couple months and going to 
UniFi.  We have a installations with them, zero problems.  But you do need a 
management computer.  I have the XClaim radio too that I tested at my house.  
The only problem is no management tool outside your phone and you have to be 
onsite.  They said they will have something in a few months for that.

Xirrus is enterprise grade and probably as expensive as Meraki with all the 
bells and whistles.  I’d stick to UniFi if it was me for financial reasons if 
you simply want to give away free internet.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

I have 2 at home, easy setup. Basic feature set… problem with reatail 
locations like restaurants is that you need control of the users… how much time 
they can browse, when the AP will be available (avoiding night leeches), login 
mechanisms, value added marketing for the host restaurant (like pop ups every x 
min with advertisement) Etc… Retail is a different animal… Meraki even offers 
visit statistics of how many passerbys( mac detected but not registered) , 
users (loged in) with how long they stayed, how recurrently the pass or visit 
ect! Very extensive reports for the host restaurant/retail location 

Gino A. Villarini

President

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

www.aeronetpr.com   

@aeronetpr

From: Darin Steffl 
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 12:24 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

We also ordered a few Xclaim AP's and they seem to be performing really 
well and at a great price as well.

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Daniel White  wrote:

The new Xclaim AP's are designed for this type of environment.  Get the 
Ruckus RF engineering technology with the coffee shop type price.

Installing one in our new office... will have my hands on it on Friday.  
Only need a single AP... and of course it will be lightly loaded (mostly for 
cell phones,etc... computers are hardwired typically).

Got mine from JR at WAV - good price on those units too.

Daniel White – Managing Director
SAF North America LLC

Cell:  (303) 746-3590
Skype: danieldwhite
daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com

> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:19 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>

> The problem I have with Unifi is there really isn't a stand alone feature 
that
> doesn't require a controller that I know of.  I would like the option of 
logging
> in locally, changing a few settings, and moving on.
>
> Cameron Crum wrote:
> > Unifi is not hard to set up at all. I put about 20 of them in my kid's
> > school and it works great. VLAN'd 3 separate networks, one for
> > teachers, one for students, and one for guests. I don't use the
> > payments stuff of course and access is still controlled by a CCR
> > behind it all, but it has not even had so much as a hiccup in over a
> > year since it went in. This is not even the ente

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

The APs still work fine when the cloud is down. You just lose management and 
I'd assume stats. 

- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:35:37 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant 

I wonder how long before we start seeing stickers identifying those things that 
still work when “the cloud” is down. 
Maybe an emergency kit of “cloud free” tools for after the apocalypse. 

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:19 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant 

Use one controller on a VM somewhere for all of your managed UniFi devices. 

That's worked since the beginning. 

- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Adam Moffett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:17:48 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant 

You need a unifi controller to manage the system. The individual AP's don't 
have a web page. You put the controller on the same LAN segment as the AP's and 
it will discover them and add them to the network. 

You could use your laptop as the "controller" to set them up and then take it 
with you when you leave. The AP's will keep working without being able to reach 
the controller.but don't do that. If you want to change anything later 
you'd have to go back with the same laptop. If you want to associate the AP's 
with a different controller you have to default them. 

For a super small deployment I just install the controller software on the 
customer's PC. Once you get past a handful of AP's then you include a $300 PC 
in the cost estimate. 

So the unifi is like a normal ubnt. Product just program it and leave. It? 
On Jan 13, 2015 10:47 AM, "Rory Conaway" < r...@triadwireless.net > wrote: 

I have a customer yanking out his Meraki’s in a couple months and going to 
UniFi. We have a installations with them, zero problems. But you do need a 
management computer. I have the XClaim radio too that I tested at my house. The 
only problem is no management tool outside your phone and you have to be 
onsite. They said they will have something in a few months for that. 

Xirrus is enterprise grade and probably as expensive as Meraki with all the 
bells and whistles. I’d stick to UniFi if it was me for financial reasons if 
you simply want to give away free internet. 

Rory 

From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:31 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant 

I have 2 at home, easy setup. Basic feature set… problem with reatail locations 
like restaurants is that you need control of the users… how much time they can 
browse, when the AP will be available (avoiding night leeches), login 
mechanisms, value added marketing for the host restaurant (like pop ups every x 
min with advertisement) Etc… Retail is a different animal… Meraki even offers 
visit statistics of how many passerbys( mac detected but not registered) , 
users (loged in) with how long they stayed, how recurrently the pass or visit 
ect! Very extensive reports for the host restaurant/retail location 

Gino A. Villarini 

President 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 

www.aeronetpr.com 

@aeronetpr 

From: Darin Steffl < darin.ste...@mnwifi.com > 
Reply-To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 12:24 PM 
To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant 

We also ordered a few Xclaim AP's and they seem to be performing really well 
and at a great price as well. 

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Daniel White < afmu...@gmail.com > wrote: 
The new Xclaim AP's are designed for this type of environment. Get the Ruckus 
RF engineering technology with the coffee shop type price. 

Installing one in our new office... will have my hands on it on Friday. Only 
need a single AP... and of course it will be lightly loaded (mostly for cell 
phones,etc... computers are hardwired typically). 

Got mine from JR at WAV - good price on those units too. 

Daniel White – Managing Director 
SAF North America LLC 

Cell: (303) 746-3590 
Skype: danieldwhite 
daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com 

> -Original Message- 
> From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:19 AM 
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant 
> 

> The problem I have with Unifi is there really isn't a stand alone feature 
> that 
> doesn't require a controller that I know of. I would like the option of 
> logging 
> in locally, changing a few settings, and moving on. 
> 
> Cameron Crum wrote: 
> > Unifi is not hard to set up at all. I put about 20 of them in my kid's 
> > school and it works great. VLAN'd 3 separate networks, one for 
> > te

Re: [AFMUG] [BULK] Re: WiFi for restaurant

2015-01-13 Thread Ken Hohhof

My garage door still works, I just can’t open it.

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [BULK] Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

The APs still work fine when the cloud is down. You just lose management and 
I'd assume stats.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:35:37 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

I wonder how long before we start seeing stickers identifying those things that 
still work when “the cloud” is down.
Maybe an emergency kit of “cloud free” tools for after the apocalypse.

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

Use one controller on a VM somewhere for all of your managed UniFi devices.

That's worked since the beginning.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:17:48 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

You need a unifi controller to manage the system.  The individual AP's don't 
have a web page.  You put the controller on the same LAN segment as the AP's 
and it will discover them and add them to the network.

You could use your laptop as the "controller" to set them up and then take it 
with you when you leave.  The AP's will keep working without being able to 
reach the controller.but don't do that.  If you want to change anything 
later you'd have to go back with the same laptop.  If you want to associate the 
AP's with a different controller you have to default them.  

For a super small deployment I just install the controller software on the 
customer's PC.  Once you get past a handful of AP's then you include a $300 PC 
in the cost estimate.

  So the unifi is like a normal ubnt. Product just program it and leave. It?

  On Jan 13, 2015 10:47 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

I have a customer yanking out his Meraki’s in a couple months and going to 
UniFi.  We have a installations with them, zero problems.  But you do need a 
management computer.  I have the XClaim radio too that I tested at my house.  
The only problem is no management tool outside your phone and you have to be 
onsite.  They said they will have something in a few months for that.

Xirrus is enterprise grade and probably as expensive as Meraki with all the 
bells and whistles.  I’d stick to UniFi if it was me for financial reasons if 
you simply want to give away free internet.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

I have 2 at home, easy setup. Basic feature set… problem with reatail 
locations like restaurants is that you need control of the users… how much time 
they can browse, when the AP will be available (avoiding night leeches), login 
mechanisms, value added marketing for the host restaurant (like pop ups every x 
min with advertisement) Etc… Retail is a different animal… Meraki even offers 
visit statistics of how many passerbys( mac detected but not registered) , 
users (loged in) with how long they stayed, how recurrently the pass or visit 
ect! Very extensive reports for the host restaurant/retail location 

Gino A. Villarini

President

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

www.aeronetpr.com   

@aeronetpr

From: Darin Steffl 
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 12:24 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

We also ordered a few Xclaim AP's and they seem to be performing really 
well and at a great price as well.

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Daniel White  wrote:

The new Xclaim AP's are designed for this type of environment.  Get the 
Ruckus RF engineering technology with the coffee shop type price.

Installing one in our new office... will have my hands on it on Friday.  
Only need a single AP... and of course it will be lightly loaded (mostly for 
cell phones,etc... computers are hardwired typically).

Got mine from JR at WAV - good price on those units too.

Daniel White – Managing Director
SAF North America LLC

Cell:  (303) 746-3590
Skype: danieldwhite
daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com

> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:19 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>

> The problem I have with Unifi is there really isn't a stand alone feature 
that
> doesn't require a controller that I k

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

2015-01-13 Thread Caleb Knauer

The system is down...the system is down...the system is down

UAP still works when it loses access to the controller unless you're using
the controller for doing the guest portal authentication/hotspot.  We use
'tik and friends for all that functionality so if the controller drops it
doesn't shut down anything.

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

>   I wonder how long before we start seeing stickers identifying those
> things that still work when “the cloud” is down.
> Maybe an emergency kit of “cloud free” tools for after the apocalypse.
>
>
>  *From:* Mike Hammett 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:19 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>
>  Use one controller on a VM somewhere for all of your managed UniFi
> devices.
>
> That's worked since the beginning.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> --
> *From: *"Adam Moffett" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:17:48 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>
>
> You need a unifi controller to manage the system.  The individual AP's
> don't have a web page.  You put the controller on the same LAN segment as
> the AP's and it will discover them and add them to the network.
>
> You could use your laptop as the "controller" to set them up and then take
> it with you when you leave.  The AP's will keep working without being able
> to reach the controller.but don't do that.  If you want to change
> anything later you'd have to go back with the same laptop.  If you want to
> associate the AP's with a different controller you have to default them.
>
> For a super small deployment I just install the controller software on the
> customer's PC.  Once you get past a handful of AP's then you include a $300
> PC in the cost estimate.
>
>  So the unifi is like a normal ubnt. Product just program it and leave.
> It?
> On Jan 13, 2015 10:47 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>
>>  I have a customer yanking out his Meraki’s in a couple months and going
>> to UniFi.  We have a installations with them, zero problems.  But you do
>> need a management computer.  I have the XClaim radio too that I tested at
>> my house.  The only problem is no management tool outside your phone and
>> you have to be onsite.  They said they will have something in a few months
>> for that.
>>
>>
>>
>> Xirrus is enterprise grade and probably as expensive as Meraki with all
>> the bells and whistles.  I’d stick to UniFi if it was me for financial
>> reasons if you simply want to give away free internet.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:31 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>>
>>
>>
>> I have 2 at home, easy setup. Basic feature set… problem with reatail
>> locations like restaurants is that you need control of the users… how much
>> time they can browse, when the AP will be available (avoiding night
>> leeches), login mechanisms, value added marketing for the host restaurant
>> (like pop ups every x min with advertisement) Etc… Retail is a different
>> animal… Meraki even offers visit statistics of how many passerbys( mac
>> detected but not registered) , users (loged in) with how long they stayed,
>> how recurrently the pass or visit ect! Very extensive reports for the host
>> restaurant/retail location
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>>
>> President
>>
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>
>> www.aeronetpr.com
>>
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Darin Steffl 
>> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
>> *Date: *Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 12:24 PM
>> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>>
>>
>>
>> We also ordered a few Xclaim AP's and they seem to be performing really
>> well and at a great price as well.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Daniel White  wrote:
>>
>> The new Xclaim AP's are designed for this type of environment.  Get the
>> Ruckus RF engineering technology with the coffee shop type price.
>>
>> Installing one in our new office... will have my hands on it on Friday.
>> Only need a single AP... and of course it will be lightly loaded (mostly
>> for cell phones,etc... computers are hardwired typically).
>>
>> Got mine from JR at WAV - good price on those units too.
>>
>> Daniel White – Managing Director
>> SAF North America LLC
>>
>> Cell:  (303) 746-3590 <%28303%29%20746-3590>
>> Skype: danieldwhite
>> daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com
>>
>>
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:19 AM
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] [BULK] Re: WiFi for restaurant

Users can still join the network. Traffic still passes. The AP still does its 
job. 

- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:46:45 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [BULK] Re: WiFi for restaurant 

My garage door still works, I just can’t open it. 

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:39 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [BULK] Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant 

The APs still work fine when the cloud is down. You just lose management and 
I'd assume stats. 

- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:35:37 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant 

I wonder how long before we start seeing stickers identifying those things that 
still work when “the cloud” is down. 
Maybe an emergency kit of “cloud free” tools for after the apocalypse. 

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:19 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant 

Use one controller on a VM somewhere for all of your managed UniFi devices. 

That's worked since the beginning. 

- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Adam Moffett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:17:48 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant 

You need a unifi controller to manage the system. The individual AP's don't 
have a web page. You put the controller on the same LAN segment as the AP's and 
it will discover them and add them to the network. 

You could use your laptop as the "controller" to set them up and then take it 
with you when you leave. The AP's will keep working without being able to reach 
the controller.but don't do that. If you want to change anything later 
you'd have to go back with the same laptop. If you want to associate the AP's 
with a different controller you have to default them. 

For a super small deployment I just install the controller software on the 
customer's PC. Once you get past a handful of AP's then you include a $300 PC 
in the cost estimate. 

So the unifi is like a normal ubnt. Product just program it and leave. It? 
On Jan 13, 2015 10:47 AM, "Rory Conaway" < r...@triadwireless.net > wrote: 

I have a customer yanking out his Meraki’s in a couple months and going to 
UniFi. We have a installations with them, zero problems. But you do need a 
management computer. I have the XClaim radio too that I tested at my house. The 
only problem is no management tool outside your phone and you have to be 
onsite. They said they will have something in a few months for that. 

Xirrus is enterprise grade and probably as expensive as Meraki with all the 
bells and whistles. I’d stick to UniFi if it was me for financial reasons if 
you simply want to give away free internet. 

Rory 

From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:31 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant 

I have 2 at home, easy setup. Basic feature set… problem with reatail locations 
like restaurants is that you need control of the users… how much time they can 
browse, when the AP will be available (avoiding night leeches), login 
mechanisms, value added marketing for the host restaurant (like pop ups every x 
min with advertisement) Etc… Retail is a different animal… Meraki even offers 
visit statistics of how many passerbys( mac detected but not registered) , 
users (loged in) with how long they stayed, how recurrently the pass or visit 
ect! Very extensive reports for the host restaurant/retail location 

Gino A. Villarini 

President 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 

www.aeronetpr.com 

@aeronetpr 

From: Darin Steffl < darin.ste...@mnwifi.com > 
Reply-To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 12:24 PM 
To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant 

We also ordered a few Xclaim AP's and they seem to be performing really well 
and at a great price as well. 

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Daniel White < afmu...@gmail.com > wrote: 
The new Xclaim AP's are designed for this type of environment. Get the Ruckus 
RF engineering technology with the coffee shop type price. 

Installing one in our new office... will have my hands on it on Friday. Only 
need a single AP... and of course it will be lightly loaded (mostly for cell 
phones,etc... computers are hardwired typically). 

Got mine from JR at WAV - good price on those units too. 

Daniel White – Managing Director 
SAF North America LLC 

Cell: (303) 746-3590 
Skype: danieldwhite 
daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com 

> -Original Message- 
> From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of J

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

Hey UBNT: Instead of scattering all the useful information around a
knowledge base and a forum, why not unify it all into one document that
describes the product and how to use it. You could call it a "manual"
and then I could RTFM whenever I want to be enlightened.

Several different ways. DNS is one.

https://community.ubnt.com/t5/UniFi-Controller-Installation/UniFi-Layer-3-methods-for-UAP-adoption-and-management/ta-p/455643

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Bill Prince > wrote:

So if your controller is running on a VM in the cloud, and the
unify box(es) is/are behind NAT, how does the controller reach
through the NAT? Or do the unify box(es) reach out?

On 1/13/2015 9:21 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Windows and Linux. Not sure about Mac. No, it won't run on Mikrotik.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

*From: *"Bill Prince"

*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:20:22 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

Anything special about the controller? Windows, MacOS, Linux?
Will the controller run on a Mikrotik?

On 1/13/2015 9:17 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

You need a unifi controller to manage the system. The
individual AP's don't have a web page. You put the
controller on the same LAN segment as the AP's and it will
discover them and add them to the network.

You could use your laptop as the "controller" to set them up
and then take it with you when you leave. The AP's will keep
working without being able to reach the controller.but
don't do that. If you want to change anything later you'd
have to go back with the same laptop. If you want to
associate the AP's with a different controller you have to
default them.

For a super small deployment I just install the controller
software on the customer's PC. Once you get past a handful
of AP's then you include a $300 PC in the cost estimate.

So the unifi is like a normal ubnt. Product just program
it and leave. It?

On Jan 13, 2015 10:47 AM, "Rory Conaway"
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
wrote:

I have a customer yanking out his Meraki’s in a
couple months and going to UniFi. We have a
installations with them, zero problems. But you do
need a management computer. I have the XClaim radio
too that I tested at my house. The only problem is
no management tool outside your phone and you have to
be onsite. They said they will have something in a
few months for that.

Xirrus is enterprise grade and probably as expensive
as Meraki with all the bells and whistles. I’d stick
to UniFi if it was me for financial reasons if you
simply want to give away free internet.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Gino
Villarini
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:31 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

I have 2 at home, easy setup. Basic feature set…
problem with reatail locations like restaurants is
that you need control of the users… how much time
they can browse, when the AP will be available
(avoiding night leeches), login mechanisms, value
added marketing for the host restaurant (like pop ups
every x min with advertisement) Etc… Retail is a
different animal… Meraki even offers visit statistics
of how many passerbys( mac detected but not
registered) , users (loged in) with how long they
stayed, how recurrently the pass or visit ect! Very
extensive reports for the host restaurant/retail
location

Gino A. Villarini

President

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

www.aeronetpr.com

@aeronetpr

*From: *Darin Steffl mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>>
*Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com "
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
*D

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

There is a manual :)

On January 13, 2015 8:57:44 AM AKST, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>Hey UBNT:  Instead of scattering all the useful information around a 
>knowledge base and a forum, why not unify it all into one document that
>
>describes the product and how to use it.  You could call it a "manual" 
>and then I could RTFM whenever I want to be enlightened.
>
>> Several different ways.  DNS is one.
>>
>>
>https://community.ubnt.com/t5/UniFi-Controller-Installation/UniFi-Layer-3-methods-for-UAP-adoption-and-management/ta-p/455643
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Bill Prince > > wrote:
>>
>> So if your controller is running on a VM in the cloud, and the
>> unify box(es) is/are behind NAT, how does the controller reach
>> through the NAT?  Or do the unify box(es) reach out?
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 1/13/2015 9:21 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>> Windows and Linux. Not sure about Mac. No, it won't run on
>Mikrotik.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>
>
>>>
>>>
>
>>> *From: *"Bill Prince" 
>>> 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com 
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:20:22 AM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>>>
>>> Anything special about the controller? Windows, MacOS, Linux? 
>>> Will the controller run on a Mikrotik?
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>> On 1/13/2015 9:17 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> You need a unifi controller to manage the system.  The
>>> individual AP's don't have a web page.  You put the
>>> controller on the same LAN segment as the AP's and it will
>>> discover them and add them to the network.
>>>
>>> You could use your laptop as the "controller" to set them up
>>> and then take it with you when you leave.  The AP's will
>keep
>>> working without being able to reach the controller.but
>>> don't do that.  If you want to change anything later you'd
>>> have to go back with the same laptop.  If you want to
>>> associate the AP's with a different controller you have to
>>> default them.
>>>
>>> For a super small deployment I just install the controller
>>> software on the customer's PC.  Once you get past a handful
>>> of AP's then you include a $300 PC in the cost estimate.
>>>
>>> So the unifi is like a normal ubnt. Product just program
>>> it and leave. It?
>>>
>>> On Jan 13, 2015 10:47 AM, "Rory Conaway"
>>> mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a customer yanking out his Meraki’s in a
>>> couple months and going to UniFi.  We have a
>>> installations with them, zero problems.  But you do
>>> need a management computer.  I have the XClaim radio
>>> too that I tested at my house.  The only problem is
>>> no management tool outside your phone and you have
>to
>>> be onsite.  They said they will have something in a
>>> few months for that.
>>>
>>> Xirrus is enterprise grade and probably as expensive
>>> as Meraki with all the bells and whistles.  I’d
>stick
>>> to UniFi if it was me for financial reasons if you
>>> simply want to give away free internet.
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>>> ] *On Behalf Of *Gino
>>> Villarini
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:31 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
>>>
>>> I have 2 at home, easy setup. Basic feature set…
>>> problem with reatail locations like restaurants is
>>> that you need control of the users… how much time
>>> they can browse, when the AP will be available
>>> (avoiding night leeches), login mechanisms, value
>>> added marketing for the host restaurant (like pop
>ups
>>> every x min with advertisement) Etc… Retail is a
>>> different animal… Meraki even offers visit
>statistics
>>> of how many passerbys( mac detected but not
>>> registered) , users (loged in) with how long they
>>> stayed, how recurrently the pass or visit ect! Very
>>> extensive repor

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

Well butter my biscuits.

There is a manual :)

On January 13, 2015 8:57:44 AM AKST, Adam Moffett
wrote:

Hey UBNT: Instead of scattering all the useful information around
a knowledge base and a forum, why not unify it all into one
document that describes the product and how to use it. You could
call it a "manual" and then I could RTFM whenever I want to be
enlightened.

Several different ways. DNS is one.

https://community.ubnt.com/t5/UniFi-Controller-Installation/UniFi-Layer-3-methods-for-UAP-adoption-and-management/ta-p/455643

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Bill Prince
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

So if your controller is running on a VM in the cloud, and
the unify box(es) is/are behind NAT, how does the controller
reach through the NAT? Or do the unify box(es) reach out?

On 1/13/2015 9:21 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Windows and Linux. Not sure about Mac. No, it won't run on
Mikrotik.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

*From: *"Bill Prince"

*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:20:22 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

Anything special about the controller? Windows, MacOS,
Linux? Will the controller run on a Mikrotik?

On 1/13/2015 9:17 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

You could use your laptop as the "controller" to set
them up and then take it with you when you leave. The
AP's will keep working without being able to reach the
controller.but don't do that. If you want to change
anything later you'd have to go back with the same
laptop. If you want to associate the AP's with a
different controller you have to default them.

For a super small deployment I just install the
controller software on the customer's PC. Once you get
past a handful of AP's then you include a $300 PC in the
cost estimate.

So the unifi is like a normal ubnt. Product just
program it and leave. It?

On Jan 13, 2015 10:47 AM, "Rory Conaway"
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:

I have a customer yanking out his Meraki’s in a
couple months and going to UniFi. We have a
installations with them, zero problems. But you
do need a management computer. I have the
XClaim radio too that I tested at my house. The
only problem is no management tool outside your
phone and you have to be onsite. They said they
will have something in a few months for that.

Xirrus is enterprise grade and probably as
expensive as Meraki with all the bells and
whistles. I’d stick to UniFi if it was me for
financial reasons if you simply want to give
away free internet.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of
*Gino Villarini
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:31 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

I have 2 at home, easy setup. Basic feature set…
problem with reatail locations like restaurants
is that you need control of the users… how much
time they can browse, when the AP will be
available (avoiding night leeches), login
mechanisms, value added marketing for the host
restaurant (like pop ups every x min with
advertisement) Etc… Retail is a different
animal… Meraki even offers visit statistics of
how many passerbys( mac detected but not
registered) , users (loged in) with how long
they stayed, how recurrently the pass or visit

Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices

2015-01-13 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller

The investment has already been made to build the wells.  I know it would suck, 
but why not shut them down until the price goes up again, then just resume 
production?  Even under new ownership?  Doesn't sound like a permanent problem 
to me...

  - Original Message - 
  From: Bill Prince 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 10:23 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices

  It's Saudi Arabia trying to squeeze out all the marginal producers.  
Initially it will be Russia and some of the other marginals like Iraq & Iran.

  Pretty sure the shale oil and tar sands guys are hurting big time right now.

bp

On 1/13/2015 8:03 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I wonder what is really driving the price down.  Fracking, OPEC diaspora, 
CAFE improvements, Russia problems ???

From: Jeremy 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 8:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices

Thanks Obama!  (he gets blamed for EVERYTHING, right??)

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

  Same up here in Ohio.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Jan 13, 2015 10:35 AM, "joseph marsh"  wrote:

1.75 here in my area

On Jan 13, 2015 9:35 AM, "Vlad Sedov"  wrote:

  $1.50 to $1.55 in oklahoma city.. crazy.

  vlad

  On 1/13/2015 9:32 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:

I never thought I would see gas prices this low. We have stations 
at $1.71/gallon in our area right now. :)

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

2015-01-13 Thread Gabriel Pike

We have done this with both unifi AP’s and CAPsMAN. Both have worked well in my 
opinion. With the Mikrotiks CAPsMAN the advantage is no need for a controller. 
Everything is done on the CAPsMAN controller router. We used a 750UP to power 
the mAP’s and it works fine. Only problem is people who are not experienced in 
Mikrotik will have problems making changes. When we used the unifi AP’s we set 
a static DNS entry for unifi on the Mikrotik router to our controller server. 
The advantage to the unifi setup is it is easier for support since everything 
is in a pretty GUI.

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 1:10 PM
To: Josh Reynolds; af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

 

 

Well butter my biscuits.  

There is a manual :)

On January 13, 2015 8:57:44 AM AKST, Adam Moffett   
 wrote: 

Hey UBNT:  Instead of scattering all the useful information around a knowledge 
base and a forum, why not unify it all into one document that describes the 
product and how to use it.  You could call it a "manual" and then I could RTFM 
whenever I want to be enlightened.

 

Several different ways.  DNS is one. 

 

https://community.ubnt.com/t5/UniFi-Controller-Installation/UniFi-Layer-3-methods-for-UAP-adoption-and-management/ta-p/455643

 

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

So if your controller is running on a VM in the cloud, and the unify box(es) 
is/are behind NAT, how does the controller reach through the NAT?  Or do the 
unify box(es) reach out?




bp

 

On 1/13/2015 9:21 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Windows and Linux. Not sure about Mac. No, it won't run on Mikrotik.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

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From: "Bill Prince"   
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:20:22 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

Anything special about the controller?  Windows, MacOS, Linux?  Will the 
controller run on a Mikrotik?

bp

 

On 1/13/2015 9:17 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

 

You need a unifi controller to manage the system.  The individual AP's don't 
have a web page.  You put the controller on the same LAN segment as the AP's 
and it will discover them and add them to the network.

You could use your laptop as the "controller" to set them up and then take it 
with you when you leave.  The AP's will keep working without being able to 
reach the controller.but don't do that.  If you want to change anything 
later you'd have to go back with the same laptop.  If you want to associate the 
AP's with a different controller you have to default them.  

For a super small deployment I just install the controller software on the 
customer's PC.  Once you get past a handful of AP's then you include a $300 PC 
in the cost estimate.

So the unifi is like a normal ubnt. Product just program it and leave. It?

On Jan 13, 2015 10:47 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

I have a customer yanking out his Meraki’s in a couple months and going to 
UniFi.  We have a installations with them, zero problems.  But you do need a 
management computer.  I have the XClaim radio too that I tested at my house.  
The only problem is no management tool outside your phone and you have to be 
onsite.  They said they will have something in a few months for that.

 

Xirrus is enterprise grade and probably as expensive as Meraki with all the 
bells and whistles.  I’d stick to UniFi if it was me for financial reasons if 
you simply want to give away free internet.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

 

I have 2 at home, easy setup. Basic feature set… problem with reatail locations 
like restaurants is that you need control of the users… how much time they can 
browse, when the AP will be available (avoiding night leeches), login 
mechanisms, value added marketing for the host restaurant (like pop ups every x 
min with advertisement) Etc… Retail is a different animal… Meraki even offers 
visit statistics of how many passerbys( mac detected but not registered) , 
users (loged in) with how long they stayed, how recurrently the pass or visit 
ect! Very extensive reports for the host restaurant/retail location 

 

 

 

Gino A. Villarini

President

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

www.aeronetpr.com   

@aeronetpr

 

 

 

From: Darin Steffl 
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 12:24 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

 

We also ordered a few Xclaim AP

Re: [AFMUG] Af5

2015-01-13 Thread Ty Featherling

Thank you Chuck, this is what was missing. At least, these are the numbers
that were missing to calculate SNR ourselves. I take it this applies to
both the AF5 and the RocketAC radios or are their noise floor estimates be
different since they are different chipsets?

-Ty

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 9:06 AM, Chuck Macenski  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I should learn to sleep at night and email during the day. The tl;dr
> should have read: Sensitivity for a Modulation Rate at a given bandwidth
> (from the spec sheet) minus the clean noise floor for that bandwidth (see
> below) equals the signal needed over the actual noise floor for a given
> modulation.
>
> A rough estimate for the clean noise floor would be (50MHz=-97dBm,
> 40=-98dBm, 30=-99dBm, 20=-101dBm, 10=-104dBm).
>
> Chuck
>
> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:39 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>>   Noodling around with Chucks info:
>>
>> Noise floor = –80
>> Sensitivity = –82
>> -80 – (-82) = 2 dB
>> RX signal required –80 + 2 = –78 dBm
>>
>> Noise floor = –40
>> Sensitivity = –82
>> -40 – (-82) =42 dB
>> -40 + 42 = +2dBm  (Not sure I want to stand in front of the transmitter)
>>
>> Some simple algebra:
>>
>> Required RX signal =Noise floor + (Noise Floor – Sensitivity)
>>
>> - simplifying -
>>
>> RX signal = (2 * Noise floor )-Sensitivity
>>
>> So, every dB of  noise floor == 2dB of RX signal.
>>
>> Have I got this right Chuck?
>>
>>  *From:* Chuck Macenski 
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 11:25 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Af5
>>
>>
>> tl;dr...the natural noise floor for the band minus the sensitivity of
>> that band for a given modulation equals the signal needed over the noise
>> floor for a given modulation.
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices

2015-01-13 Thread That One Guy

I dont know how petroleum stores, the costs of operating, etc. But I look
at it as right now being a great time to get in on it, when the rubber band
snaps, you would already be at peak production capacity, without the export
and shipping to get it to its destination, in North America at least. This
is an artificially deflated market, it cant be sustained since it is
inherently and artificially inflated market.

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:19 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:

>
> The investment has already been made to build the wells.  I know it would
> suck, but why not shut them down until the price goes up again, then just
> resume production?  Even under new ownership?  Doesn't sound like a
> permanent problem to me...
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Bill Prince 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 13, 2015 10:23 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices
>
> It's Saudi Arabia trying to squeeze out all the marginal producers.
> Initially it will be Russia and some of the other marginals like Iraq &
> Iran.
>
> Pretty sure the shale oil and tar sands guys are hurting big time right
> now.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 1/13/2015 8:03 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>  I wonder what is really driving the price down.  Fracking, OPEC
> diaspora, CAFE improvements, Russia problems ???
>
>  *From:* Jeremy 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 13, 2015 8:54 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices
>
>  Thanks Obama!  (he gets blamed for EVERYTHING, right??)
>
> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> Same up here in Ohio.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>  On Jan 13, 2015 10:35 AM, "joseph marsh"  wrote:
>>
>>> 1.75 here in my area
>>> On Jan 13, 2015 9:35 AM, "Vlad Sedov"  wrote:
>>>
 $1.50 to $1.55 in oklahoma city.. crazy.

 vlad

 On 1/13/2015 9:32 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:

> I never thought I would see gas prices this low. We have stations at
> $1.71/gallon in our area right now. :)
>
> Travis
>


>
>
>


-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] Af5

2015-01-13 Thread Chuck Macenski

Hi,

I can only really speak for airFiber, but, I think this is a general rule.

As an FYI, there is much more information on this topic (including color
charts, etc) on the Tx Power Thread under airFiber on the Ubiquiti web
site. I am not pushing the site per-se, just that this thread appears to be
a spill over from that one.

Chuck

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Ty Featherling 
wrote:

> Thank you Chuck, this is what was missing. At least, these are the numbers
> that were missing to calculate SNR ourselves. I take it this applies to
> both the AF5 and the RocketAC radios or are their noise floor estimates be
> different since they are different chipsets?
>
> -Ty
>
> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 9:06 AM, Chuck Macenski 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I should learn to sleep at night and email during the day. The tl;dr
>> should have read: Sensitivity for a Modulation Rate at a given bandwidth
>> (from the spec sheet) minus the clean noise floor for that bandwidth (see
>> below) equals the signal needed over the actual noise floor for a given
>> modulation.
>>
>> A rough estimate for the clean noise floor would be (50MHz=-97dBm,
>> 40=-98dBm, 30=-99dBm, 20=-101dBm, 10=-104dBm).
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:39 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>>   Noodling around with Chucks info:
>>>
>>> Noise floor = –80
>>> Sensitivity = –82
>>> -80 – (-82) = 2 dB
>>> RX signal required –80 + 2 = –78 dBm
>>>
>>> Noise floor = –40
>>> Sensitivity = –82
>>> -40 – (-82) =42 dB
>>> -40 + 42 = +2dBm  (Not sure I want to stand in front of the transmitter)
>>>
>>> Some simple algebra:
>>>
>>> Required RX signal =Noise floor + (Noise Floor – Sensitivity)
>>>
>>> - simplifying -
>>>
>>> RX signal = (2 * Noise floor )-Sensitivity
>>>
>>> So, every dB of  noise floor == 2dB of RX signal.
>>>
>>> Have I got this right Chuck?
>>>
>>>  *From:* Chuck Macenski 
>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 11:25 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Af5
>>>
>>>
>>> tl;dr...the natural noise floor for the band minus the sensitivity of
>>> that band for a given modulation equals the signal needed over the noise
>>> floor for a given modulation.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

[AFMUG] Animal Farm 2015 Extracurricular Activities?

2015-01-13 Thread Barry Sherwood

Apologies if this was already discussed at length.  I haven't been
monitoring the list  very frequently (I know - shame on me).

 

I'm going to be skiing at Solitude on Monday and Alta on Tuesday.  Anyone
care to join me?  I'm advanced but not "stoopid advanced" if that factors
into your decision.  Got my tickets at liftopia.com.

 

Are there any solid evening plans set yet (dinners, vendor presos, general
hoopla or mayhem)?

 

Barry Sherwood

Great Basin and Sunset Net Internet Services

888-477-7299, x204

[AFMUG] Fiber Deployment/Construction

2015-01-13 Thread Sterling Jacobson

I wouldn't mind taking a group of AF people down to my city Saratoga Springs 
south of Animal Farm and showing my fiber network.

We would need to pick a day/time for it.

I can show the cabinet/switch deployment side as I do things and give an 
overview of the networking etc. at my office.

It may even be possible to show some actual construction in action, but that 
depends on what is going on first week of February in my construction schedule.

Let me know what you guys think.

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Deployment/Construction

2015-01-13 Thread TJ Trout

I'm in! but I can only do it after AF on the 4th, I'm arriving late 3rd and
leaving late 5th

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> I wouldn't mind taking a group of AF people down to my city Saratoga
> Springs south of Animal Farm and showing my fiber network.
>
> We would need to pick a day/time for it.
>
> I can show the cabinet/switch deployment side as I do things and give an
> overview of the networking etc. at my office.
>
> It may even be possible to show some actual construction in action, but
> that depends on what is going on first week of February in my construction
> schedule.
>
> Let me know what you guys think.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Deployment/Construction

2015-01-13 Thread Bryan

That would be amazing. Count me in as well.

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:17 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> I wouldn't mind taking a group of AF people down to my city Saratoga
> Springs south of Animal Farm and showing my fiber network.
>
> We would need to pick a day/time for it.
>
> I can show the cabinet/switch deployment side as I do things and give an
> overview of the networking etc. at my office.
>
> It may even be possible to show some actual construction in action, but
> that depends on what is going on first week of February in my construction
> schedule.
>
> Let me know what you guys think.
>



-- 
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C: (386) 275-8047
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[AFMUG] FCC Changes the way device certification is done


http://community.ubnt.com/ubnt/attachments/ubnt/Business_Talk/42403/1/FCC-14-208A1.pdf

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spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Deployment/Construction

Count me in.

-Original Message- 
From: Sterling Jacobson

Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 12:17 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: [AFMUG] Fiber Deployment/Construction

I wouldn't mind taking a group of AF people down to my city Saratoga Springs 
south of Animal Farm and showing my fiber network.

We would need to pick a day/time for it.

I can show the cabinet/switch deployment side as I do things and give an 
overview of the networking etc. at my office.

It may even be possible to show some actual construction in action, but that 
depends on what is going on first week of February in my construction 
schedule.

Let me know what you guys think.

Re: [AFMUG] FCC Changes the way device certification is done