date:20150604

OK, but under what rule set, for how long before you have to comply with the 
new rules coming out?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 9:51 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

You can still add new 3.65 AP locations from any of the currently available 
manufacturers, as long as you already have a 3.65 license.

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Interesting.  I agree with the dream of having someone re-write the firmware to 
interface 320 stuff with the FCC database.  Probably just a dream though.

On the 450, you mention being able to sync with customers down the road.  The 
way I understand it, there is no standard being proposed that would make that 
happen… if you have 5 other people with like or unlike platforms playing in 
“your” RF space, they can still have the same frequency contention challenges 
that you have now.   Its just that they would be restricted from competing with 
the known higher priority users in the database.

I was curious to see what the consensus is on 320 use moving forward for those 
that have found it to be the only way to service certain NLOS customers.

The considerations seem to be…

1)  Replace with 450 series gear at 3.65 and loose some of the customers 
that were tough NLOS problems that the 320 series solved.
(if your were using the 320 only because it was a cleaner freq. band (3.65), 
then the 450 seems to make sense for that.

2)  Replace with Telrad gear at 3.65 (pricey) and sell off their old 320 
series for whatever they can get.

3)  Deploy MORE 320 gear because it is working well and solves the specific 
problem.  BW limited but works pretty well (*some might debate that)

At this moment, can you add ANY new 3.65 AP locations (from any manufacturer) 
or forced to wait until the “next” thing comes to play with the FCC rules?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:09 PM

To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

Im stuck with it. We bought an overstock load of APs and SMs. We have a dream 
of Telrad working out to save the day with their firmware load. Some creative 
Telrad AP deployments gradually replacing the 320 APs, utilizing the 320 CPEs 
until we migrate the site to LTE with telrad CPEs, giving us 320 CPEs to 
redeploy.

The dream is somebody will write some magic code to sit on an intermediary 
server to communicate with the FCC database thing so we can redeploy the 320 
APs to small sites.

We had two test sites for the 450. One site landlord hasnt allowed us up there 
to swap equipment, we have to deal with that on the lease side and our other 
450 test site has only 3 users on it with good links so we havent been able to 
test the 1x magic out.

I would have preferred to more aggressively pursue the 450 and be able to sell 
higher throughput higher dollar connections, to offset the potential nlos 
customers we would lose. something about being able to sync with competitors 
down the road seemed like a good idea to me, especially with an AP with 3x the 
throughput and the whole not using gear thats end of life, but i am but a lowly 
sysadmin with no access to the purse strings.

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
I am just curious how many of you have decided to keep using the 320 series 
because it goes through trees a lot better than the 450 series 3.65 product?

Are you expanding with it as far as towers go?  Or, are you just adding SMs to 
what you already have?

Paul

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net

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part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] 18 USB drives on 1 computer

2015-06-04 Thread Paul Stewart

I have slightly over 60TB of RAID5 storage on NAS’s at home that are replicated 
to cloud storage offsite ;)

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2015 10:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18 USB drives on 1 computer

There's a business down the hall that does 100s of gigs a month and he has 
several terabytes of storage.  He's a video "guru".  A lot of his projects are 
videos for memorials/funerals.  High quality repeating hour long videos take a 
lot of disk space.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 10:28 PM, Tyler Treat mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com> > wrote:

That's the only think I could think of. 

On Jun 3, 2015, at 9:08 PM, Keefe John mailto:keefe...@ethoplex.com> > wrote:

that's a lot of porno

On 6/3/2015 9:05 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

+1

But why...? ï¿½Failing to compute what I just saw. ï¿½

On Jun 3, 2015, at 8:55 PM, Darin Steffl mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> > wrote:

I was expecting to see 18 USB flash drives but was amazed he actually has 18 
USB hard drives instead!

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 8:52 PM, Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net> > wrote:

Most Iï¿½ve ever seen and he is adding more.

ï¿½

ï¿½

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4226 S. 37th Street ï¿½ Phoenix ï¿½ AZ 85040

602-426-0542  

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ï¿½

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means getting the decimal point in the right place.ï¿½ ï¿½ Unknown

ï¿½

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Re: [AFMUG] Static & Nearby Lightning Issues

You wouldn't use the ground kit with a foil shield.  You'd get an 
outside plant cable with armor on it.

Example: https://objects.eanixter.com/PD327279.PDF


On 6/4/2015 12:31 AM, Edward Brooks wrote:
How does it go on without nicking that thin foil? Is there a tool for 
the Cat5? I looked at the Commscope installation guide and it said 
smooth copper coax (Heliax) or braided.


-Ed

Sent from my slightly heavy military grade Smartphone

Jaime Solorza  wrote:

We  use those on super flex but not on heliax...use the other old 
school version


Jaime Solorza

So, something like this then? 
https://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=445755




On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 6:24 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc 
mailto:t...@franklinisp.net>> wrote:


Simple:  buy cat 5 grounding kits for
Shielded cable.  Use them at top, middle and bottom. No more no
less.  Doesn't involve cutting cable just connect into shield and
water proof like hell.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 3, 2015, at 6:35 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:


I would NOT put Cat5 surge protectors every 50-75 feet, you will
likely get Ethernet errors and/or negotiation problems.  At most
there should be one at each end.
You are probably thinking of coax, and even so I suspect those
are shield grounds, not actual surge protectors.
I do agree with not making your antennas the highest thing on the
tower if you can help it.
If you must use an omni antenna located at the top, I have had
some success with a COAX surge protector between the radio and
the antenna.  Polyphaser makes some DC blocking types that work
OK and aren’t too expensive.  If lightning hits, the omni is
still probably toast, but it might save the radio.
*From:* Edward Brooks 
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:24 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Static & Nearby Lightning Issues
Here goes...
 We have a new 118' Super Titan Max tower that has been
grounded per manufacturers recommendations.  Each leg is
physically bonded (not exothermically) to a 10' ground rod, all
ground rods are then connected to each other in a ring. The
equipment cabinet is bonded to an 8' ground rod and tied into the
meter base grounding as well.  The two ground rings are then
bonded to each other in 2 separate places.
 With that said our issue has not been with the grounding,
but with the dissipation of static at the height of the
antennas.  We currently have had the worst problems with the 3
Cyclone 2.4 antennas which are currently located on masts at the
top of the tower.  We have also had issues with a couple of the
5.7 Cyclones located below the top of the tower, but not as
frequently.  The center-line of the 2.4 APs is 120' AGL, the
height of the tower is 118' AGL.  We currently have WB-GigE-APC
surge arrestors located in the cabinet which is located 10 ft
from the base of the tower.
 After doing some research through various Cambium manuals
and the Motorola R56 manual, I have some idea what our issue is,
but would like to bounce those ideas off the community.  My
thought is that we neglected to put surge arrestors at 50' to 75'
intervals (as recommended by the Motorola R56 manual) and 1 at
the top for use in thunderstorm areas.  Also we may need to lower
the APs to a minimum of 2ft below the top of the tower (per the
Cambium manuals for various antenna types).
 Any suggestions or comments would be appreciated.  What have
you done to mitigate this problem?  Etc...

Thanks,
-Ed
-- 
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/Outside Plant Manager
The Montana Internet Corporation/
406-443-3347  X506



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Re: [AFMUG] Static & Nearby Lightning Issues

Should have specified: Superior Essex BBDGe with the copper clad steel 
armor.  That spec sheet includes unarmored cables also.  You can get 
similar products from Mohawk and Belden.


I've also never done it that way.  For a lot of reasons I like rigid 
metallic conduit up the tower.  You can't get a better electrical or 
mechanical shield than that.  No squirrel on this earth can chew through 
it.  Some joker can't come along and bundle his cable in with yours.  
Nobody can accidentally nip it with pliers or stomp it with their boot.



On 6/4/2015 7:21 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
You wouldn't use the ground kit with a foil shield.  You'd get an 
outside plant cable with armor on it.

Example: https://objects.eanixter.com/PD327279.PDF


On 6/4/2015 12:31 AM, Edward Brooks wrote:
How does it go on without nicking that thin foil? Is there a tool for 
the Cat5? I looked at the Commscope installation guide and it said 
smooth copper coax (Heliax) or braided.


-Ed

Sent from my slightly heavy military grade Smartphone

Jaime Solorza  wrote:

We  use those on super flex but not on heliax...use the other old 
school version


Jaime Solorza

So, something like this then? 
https://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=445755




On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 6:24 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc 
mailto:t...@franklinisp.net>> wrote:


Simple:  buy cat 5 grounding kits for
Shielded cable.  Use them at top, middle and bottom. No more no
less.  Doesn't involve cutting cable just connect into shield and
water proof like hell.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 3, 2015, at 6:35 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:


I would NOT put Cat5 surge protectors every 50-75 feet, you will
likely get Ethernet errors and/or negotiation problems.  At most
there should be one at each end.
You are probably thinking of coax, and even so I suspect those
are shield grounds, not actual surge protectors.
I do agree with not making your antennas the highest thing on
the tower if you can help it.
If you must use an omni antenna located at the top, I have had
some success with a COAX surge protector between the radio and
the antenna.  Polyphaser makes some DC blocking types that work
OK and aren’t too expensive.  If lightning hits, the omni is
still probably toast, but it might save the radio.
*From:* Edward Brooks 
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:24 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Static & Nearby Lightning Issues
Here goes...
 We have a new 118' Super Titan Max tower that has been
grounded per manufacturers recommendations.  Each leg is
physically bonded (not exothermically) to a 10' ground rod, all
ground rods are then connected to each other in a ring.  The
equipment cabinet is bonded to an 8' ground rod and tied into
the meter base grounding as well. The two ground rings are then
bonded to each other in 2 separate places.
 With that said our issue has not been with the grounding,
but with the dissipation of static at the height of the
antennas.  We currently have had the worst problems with the 3
Cyclone 2.4 antennas which are currently located on masts at the
top of the tower.  We have also had issues with a couple of the
5.7 Cyclones located below the top of the tower, but not as
frequently.  The center-line of the 2.4 APs is 120' AGL, the
height of the tower is 118' AGL.  We currently have WB-GigE-APC
surge arrestors located in the cabinet which is located 10 ft
from the base of the tower.
 After doing some research through various Cambium manuals
and the Motorola R56 manual, I have some idea what our issue is,
but would like to bounce those ideas off the community.  My
thought is that we neglected to put surge arrestors at 50' to
75' intervals (as recommended by the Motorola R56 manual) and 1
at the top for use in thunderstorm areas.  Also we may need to
lower the APs to a minimum of 2ft below the top of the tower
(per the Cambium manuals for various antenna types).
 Any suggestions or comments would be appreciated.  What
have you done to mitigate this problem?  Etc...

Thanks,
-Ed
-- 
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/Outside Plant Manager
The Montana Internet Corporation/
406-443-3347  X506



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Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits

2015-06-04 Thread Mike Hammett

Given Steve's reputation, I'm not sure what we're talking about re: $46 for 20 
holes. 




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- Original Message -

From: "That One Guy /sarcasm"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2015 10:17:31 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits 


Rotary hammers, fucking beasts. 
We were talking about our tapered bits. We have tons with one dull ring. 46 
bucks for 20 holes adds up. 
On Jun 3, 2015 10:00 PM, "Jason McKemie" < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com > 
wrote: 


I must have never used a rotary hammer then, hammer drills seem to work just 
fine for stone, masonry, etc. 

On Wednesday, June 3, 2015, Ken Hohhof < af...@kwisp.com > wrote: 






Rotary hammer very different beast than hammer drill which is only good for 
stuff like tapcons. 




From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 8:08 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits 

Yeah, never use anything but a hammer drill on stone/concrete/etc. 

On Wednesday, June 3, 2015, Josh Reynolds < j...@spitwspots.com > wrote: 



What you want for the concrete is a rotary hammer. A little spendy and the bit 
cost is astronomical, but they will bite through granite like it's nothing in 
seconds. We use rotary hammers for rohn wall mount kits going into brick, 
concrete, and stone. Have only tried the corded hitachi's, although dewalt has 
a cordless one I've been keeping my eye on. 

http://www.amazon.com/Hitachi-DH40MRY-16-inch-Rotary-Hammer/dp/B000XVINQY/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1433378353&sr=8-4&keywords=hitachi+rotary+hammer
 is what we've used. 

http://www.amazon.com/DEWALT-DCH253M2-Mode-Rotary-Hammer/dp/B00DD1UOTU/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1433378421&sr=8-9&keywords=dewalt+rotary+hammer
 is the one I've had my eye on. 
Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com 
On 06/03/2015 02:37 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: 



We are trying different brands for 3/32 holes we need for door contacts and 
switches. Metal is tough then we hit concrete on door frame. Slow speeds and 
oil helps but we eat them up. For concrete and cinder block walls Hilti drill 
and bits have no problem. 
Jaime Solorza 
On Jun 3, 2015 4:26 PM, "Chuck McCown" < 
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com'); > wrote: 






You can do it by hand with a bit of practice. 




From: Glen Waldrop 
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:24 PM 
To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits 


My dad has always sharpened his own, so I tend to do the same. 

In my experience, if used in wood they can be sharpened with little issue. If 
you drill through metal, buy a new one. 

It loses some of the hardness on the edge. It really needs to be tempered again 
after sharpening. 




- Original Message - 
From: Rory Conaway 
To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:18 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits 


We are paying $15-$25 for longer drill bits. When they start to get dull, just 
wondering if anyone has had success sharpening them or do you just buy new 
ones? 

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO 
4226 S. 37 th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040 
602-426-0542 
r...@triadwireless.net 
www.triadwireless.net 

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getting the decimal point in the right place.” – Unknown

Re: [AFMUG] powering a Mimosa B5 integrated with GigE-APC-POE

2015-06-04 Thread Mike Hammett

It'll be nice when everyone has SFPs... 




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- Original Message -

From: "Sean Heskett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2015 10:22:46 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] powering a Mimosa B5 integrated with GigE-APC-POE 

Thanks for the info. 


Mimosa also sent me this link. 
http://help.mimosa.co/backhaul-faq-non-mimosa-poe 

Basically the things are so damn smart they will accept power from almost any 
pin combination you can think of. 


The pic attached is what the Poe brick has printed on it. 




-Sean 


On Wednesday, June 3, 2015, TJ Trout < t...@voltbb.com > wrote: 



yep. pinout is on the poe brick 


On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: 



Has anyone tried to power a Mimosa B5 integrated with GigE-APC-POE? what pins 
should i put the + and - voltages on? 


Thanks, 


sean

Re: [AFMUG] Static & Nearby Lightning Issues

+1000 on everything in your second paragraph.

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 6:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Static & Nearby Lightning Issues

Should have specified: Superior Essex BBDGe with the copper clad steel armor.  
That spec sheet includes unarmored cables also.  You can get similar products 
from Mohawk and Belden.

I've also never done it that way.  For a lot of reasons I like rigid metallic 
conduit up the tower.  You can't get a better electrical or mechanical shield 
than that.  No squirrel on this earth can chew through it.  Some joker can't 
come along and bundle his cable in with yours.  Nobody can accidentally nip it 
with pliers or stomp it with their boot.  

On 6/4/2015 7:21 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

  You wouldn't use the ground kit with a foil shield.  You'd get an outside 
plant cable with armor on it.
  Example: https://objects.eanixter.com/PD327279.PDF

  On 6/4/2015 12:31 AM, Edward Brooks wrote:

How does it go on without nicking that thin foil? Is there a tool for the 
Cat5? I looked at the Commscope installation guide and it said smooth copper 
coax (Heliax) or braided.

-Ed

Sent from my slightly heavy military grade Smartphone

Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote:

We  use those on super flex but not on heliax...use the other old school 
version

Jaime Solorza

So, something like this then?   
https://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=445755

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 6:24 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc 
 wrote:

  Simple:  buy cat 5 grounding kits for
  Shielded cable.  Use them at top, middle and bottom. No more no less.  
Doesn't involve cutting cable just connect into shield and water proof like 
hell. 

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Jun 3, 2015, at 6:35 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

I would NOT put Cat5 surge protectors every 50-75 feet, you will likely 
get Ethernet errors and/or negotiation problems.  At most there should be one 
at each end.

You are probably thinking of coax, and even so I suspect those are 
shield grounds, not actual surge protectors.

I do agree with not making your antennas the highest thing on the tower 
if you can help it.

If you must use an omni antenna located at the top, I have had some 
success with a COAX surge protector between the radio and the antenna.  
Polyphaser makes some DC blocking types that work OK and aren’t too expensive.  
If lightning hits, the omni is still probably toast, but it might save the 
radio.

From: Edward Brooks 
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Static & Nearby Lightning Issues

Here goes...
 We have a new 118' Super Titan Max tower that has been grounded 
per manufacturers recommendations.  Each leg is physically bonded (not 
exothermically) to a 10' ground rod, all ground rods are then connected to each 
other in a ring.  The equipment cabinet is bonded to an 8' ground rod and tied 
into the meter base grounding as well.  The two ground rings are then bonded to 
each other in 2 separate places.
 With that said our issue has not been with the grounding, but with 
the dissipation of static at the height of the antennas.  We currently have had 
the worst problems with the 3 Cyclone 2.4 antennas which are currently located 
on masts at the top of the tower.  We have also had issues with a couple of the 
5.7 Cyclones located below the top of the tower, but not as frequently.  The 
center-line of the 2.4 APs is 120' AGL, the height of the tower is 118' AGL.  
We currently have WB-GigE-APC surge arrestors located in the cabinet which is 
located 10 ft from the base of the tower.
 After doing some research through various Cambium manuals and the 
Motorola R56 manual, I have some idea what our issue is, but would like to 
bounce those ideas off the community.  My thought is that we neglected to put 
surge arrestors at 50' to 75' intervals (as recommended by the Motorola R56 
manual) and 1 at the top for use in thunderstorm areas.  Also we may need to 
lower the APs to a minimum of 2ft below the top of the tower (per the Cambium 
manuals for various antenna types).

 Any suggestions or comments would be appreciated.  What have you 
done to mitigate this problem?  Etc...

Thanks,
-Ed
-- 
Edward Brooks
Outside Plant Manager
The Montana Internet Corporation
406-443-3347 X506

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Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits

Rotary hammer bits have carbide tips and should do a lot more than 20 holes.  I 
don’t resharpen them but it should be possible.

The downside is they are really poor at going through wood or any material 
other than masonry, you need to switch to a regular bit for that.

Even in a hammer drill, you are probably using carbide tip bits, just not SDS 
shank.


From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 6:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits

Given Steve's reputation, I'm not sure what we're talking about re: $46 for 20 
holes.




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From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2015 10:17:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits


Rotary hammers, fucking beasts.

We were talking about our tapered bits. We have tons with one dull ring. 46 
bucks for 20 holes adds up.

On Jun 3, 2015 10:00 PM, "Jason McKemie"  
wrote:

  I must have never used a rotary hammer then, hammer drills seem to work just 
fine for stone, masonry, etc.

  On Wednesday, June 3, 2015, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Rotary hammer very different beast than hammer drill which is only good for 
stuff like tapcons.

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 8:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits

Yeah, never use anything but a hammer drill on stone/concrete/etc.

On Wednesday, June 3, 2015, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

  What you want for the concrete is a rotary hammer. A little spendy and 
the bit cost is astronomical, but they will bite through granite like it's 
nothing in seconds. We use rotary hammers for rohn wall mount kits going into 
brick, concrete, and stone. Have only tried the corded hitachi's, although 
dewalt has a cordless one I've been keeping my eye on.

  
http://www.amazon.com/Hitachi-DH40MRY-16-inch-Rotary-Hammer/dp/B000XVINQY/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1433378353&sr=8-4&keywords=hitachi+rotary+hammer
 is what we've used.

  
http://www.amazon.com/DEWALT-DCH253M2-Mode-Rotary-Hammer/dp/B00DD1UOTU/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1433378421&sr=8-9&keywords=dewalt+rotary+hammer
 is the one I've had my eye on.

Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.comOn 06/03/2015 02:37 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

We are trying different brands for 3/32 holes we need for door contacts 
and switches.   Metal is tough then we hit concrete on door frame.  Slow speeds 
and oil helps but we eat them up.  For concrete and cinder block walls Hilti 
drill and bits have no problem.  

Jaime Solorza

On Jun 3, 2015 4:26 PM, "Chuck McCown" 
 wrote:

  You can do it by hand with a bit of practice.

  From: Glen Waldrop 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:24 PM
  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits

  My dad has always sharpened his own, so I tend to do the same.

  In my experience, if used in wood they can be sharpened with little 
issue. If you drill through metal, buy a new one.

  It loses some of the hardness on the edge. It really needs to be 
tempered again after sharpening.


- Original Message - 
From: Rory Conaway 
To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:18 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits

We are paying $15-$25 for longer drill bits.  When they start to 
get dull, just wondering if anyone has had success sharpening them or do you 
just buy new ones?



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[AFMUG] Cambium LinkPlanner and Licensed Frequencies

2015-06-04 Thread Rory McCann


Hey guys,

Running into a strange problem with LinkPlanner. I have a couple of 
exisitng 5GHz links I'm looking at replacing with a licensed solution - 
one of which is about 27 miles.


According to LinkPlanner this shot should be no problem (granted not 
with more than 3 9s of uptime, which is fine considering I have 
redundancy via another path) using 3 foot dishes, but the SAF engineers 
are telling me my only option is 6GHz with 6 foot dishes using the same 
parameters.


The best the engineers at SAF could promise was about 150Mbps on 
Integra, whereas according to LinkPlanner I can get over 800Mbps using 
an 820s.


Is LinkPlanner this far off, or are there some special knobs I need to 
turn to get real-world results? Or is Cambium somehow that much superior 
to the other products out there?


--
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MKAP Technology Solutions
Web: www.mkap.net

[AFMUG] Tall J-mount

2015-06-04 Thread Brett A Mansfield

Where is the best place to get tall J-Mounts that can hold an AirFiber 24 or a 
full height sector? I don't need them in quantity, just a few for now.  I got 
some 25" ones from Streakwave, but they are too short for a full height sector 
and I don't know how much I trust them to hold an AirFiber 24.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LinkPlanner and Licensed Frequencies

Doesn't the 820 bond channels and such?  I guess two 80s for that kind of
throughput?

27 miles is going to be 6 footers in 6 GHz.  You need a certain threshold
of uptime for licenses.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 4, 2015 9:00 AM, "Rory McCann"  wrote:

> Hey guys,
>
> Running into a strange problem with LinkPlanner. I have a couple of
> exisitng 5GHz links I'm looking at replacing with a licensed solution - one
> of which is about 27 miles.
>
> According to LinkPlanner this shot should be no problem (granted not with
> more than 3 9s of uptime, which is fine considering I have redundancy via
> another path) using 3 foot dishes, but the SAF engineers are telling me my
> only option is 6GHz with 6 foot dishes using the same parameters.
>
> The best the engineers at SAF could promise was about 150Mbps on Integra,
> whereas according to LinkPlanner I can get over 800Mbps using an 820s.
>
> Is LinkPlanner this far off, or are there some special knobs I need to
> turn to get real-world results? Or is Cambium somehow that much superior to
> the other products out there?
>
> --
> Rory McCann
> MKAP Technology Solutions
> Web: www.mkap.net
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LinkPlanner and Licensed Frequencies

2015-06-04 Thread Hardy, Tim

I would guess that SAF's calculations are based on Vigants-Barnett and your 
LinkPlanner results used ITU-R.  You can toggle LinkPlanner to Vigants-Barnett 
in the Project Properties window.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory McCann
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 9:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium LinkPlanner and Licensed Frequencies

Hey guys,

Running into a strange problem with LinkPlanner. I have a couple of exisitng 
5GHz links I'm looking at replacing with a licensed solution - one of which is 
about 27 miles.

According to LinkPlanner this shot should be no problem (granted not with more 
than 3 9s of uptime, which is fine considering I have redundancy via another 
path) using 3 foot dishes, but the SAF engineers are telling me my only option 
is 6GHz with 6 foot dishes using the same parameters.

The best the engineers at SAF could promise was about 150Mbps on Integra, 
whereas according to LinkPlanner I can get over 800Mbps using an 820s.

Is LinkPlanner this far off, or are there some special knobs I need to turn to 
get real-world results? Or is Cambium somehow that much superior to the other 
products out there?

--
Rory McCann
MKAP Technology Solutions
Web: www.mkap.net

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LinkPlanner and Licensed Frequencies

2015-06-04 Thread Rory McCann

You can specify channel size and 1+0, 2+0 etc in the link description. 
Also LinkPlanner lists the minimum uptime threshold and if you fail to 
meet it the link becomes red.


Rory McCann
MKAP Technology Solutions
Web: www.mkap.net

On 6/4/2015 8:04 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:


Doesn't the 820 bond channels and such?  I guess two 80s for that kind 
of throughput?


27 miles is going to be 6 footers in 6 GHz.  You need a certain 
threshold of uptime for licenses.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 4, 2015 9:00 AM, "Rory McCann" > wrote:


Hey guys,

Running into a strange problem with LinkPlanner. I have a couple
of exisitng 5GHz links I'm looking at replacing with a licensed
solution - one of which is about 27 miles.

According to LinkPlanner this shot should be no problem (granted
not with more than 3 9s of uptime, which is fine considering I
have redundancy via another path) using 3 foot dishes, but the SAF
engineers are telling me my only option is 6GHz with 6 foot dishes
using the same parameters.

The best the engineers at SAF could promise was about 150Mbps on
Integra, whereas according to LinkPlanner I can get over 800Mbps
using an 820s.

Is LinkPlanner this far off, or are there some special knobs I
need to turn to get real-world results? Or is Cambium somehow that
much superior to the other products out there?

-- 
Rory McCann

MKAP Technology Solutions
Web: www.mkap.net

Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

2015-06-04 Thread Ben Royer

What antenna are you using in your testing of the 450 vs. 320 NLOS?  I’m just 
curious because this is an interesting report, as we have a network of around 
2,500 320 customers, and we are in the same position of looking for that next 
great thing.

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

From: Paul McCall 
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

But, if you are using 320 for NLOS solutions, the 450 trade up means you’re 
going to lose customers since the 450 doesn’t do nearly as good a job as the 320

 

Paul

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

 

Don’t they have another WiMAX-to-450 tradeup going on?  Kind of a 3650 MHz 
cash-for-clunkers program.

 

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 

Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:08 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

 

Im stuck with it. We bought an overstock load of APs and SMs. We have a dream 
of Telrad working out to save the day with their firmware load. Some creative 
Telrad AP deployments gradually replacing the 320 APs, utilizing the 320 CPEs 
until we migrate the site to LTE with telrad CPEs, giving us 320 CPEs to 
redeploy. 

 

The dream is somebody will write some magic code to sit on an intermediary 
server to communicate with the FCC database thing so we can redeploy the 320 
APs to small sites.

 

We had two test sites for the 450. One site landlord hasnt allowed us up there 
to swap equipment, we have to deal with that on the lease side and our other 
450 test site has only 3 users on it with good links so we havent been able to 
test the 1x magic out.

 

I would have preferred to more aggressively pursue the 450 and be able to sell 
higher throughput higher dollar connections, to offset the potential nlos 
customers we would lose. something about being able to sync with competitors 
down the road seemed like a good idea to me, especially with an AP with 3x the 
throughput and the whole not using gear thats end of life, but i am but a lowly 
sysadmin with no access to the purse strings.

 

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

I am just curious how many of you have decided to keep using the 320 series 
because it goes through trees a lot better than the 450 series 3.65 product?

 

Are you expanding with it as far as towers go?  Or, are you just adding SMs to 
what you already have?

 

Paul

 

Paul McCall, Pres.

PDMNet / Florida Broadband 

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 office

772-473-0352 cell

www.pdmnet.com

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Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

An assertion made on the forum by somebody from Cambium was that the 450 
in 3.65ghz wouldn't hit as many of the hard to reach places as the 320 
did, but that you would end up with higher throughput on the ones that 
did work.




On 6/4/2015 9:10 AM, Ben Royer wrote:
What antenna are you using in your testing of the 450 vs. 320 NLOS?  
I’m just curious because this is an interesting report, as we have a 
network of around 2,500 320 customers, and we are in the same position 
of looking for that next great thing.

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net
*From:* Paul McCall 
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:40 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

But, if you are using 320 for NLOS solutions, the 450 trade up means 
you’re going to lose customers since the 450 doesn’t do nearly as good 
a job as the 320


Paul

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:37 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

Don’t they have another WiMAX-to-450 tradeup going on?  Kind of a 3650 
MHz cash-for-clunkers program.


*From:*That One Guy /sarcasm 

*Sent:*Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:08 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

Im stuck with it. We bought an overstock load of APs and SMs. We have 
a dream of Telrad working out to save the day with their firmware 
load. Some creative Telrad AP deployments gradually replacing the 320 
APs, utilizing the 320 CPEs until we migrate the site to LTE with 
telrad CPEs, giving us 320 CPEs to redeploy.


The dream is somebody will write some magic code to sit on an 
intermediary server to communicate with the FCC database thing so we 
can redeploy the 320 APs to small sites.


We had two test sites for the 450. One site landlord hasnt allowed us 
up there to swap equipment, we have to deal with that on the lease 
side and our other 450 test site has only 3 users on it with good 
links so we havent been able to test the 1x magic out.


I would have preferred to more aggressively pursue the 450 and be able 
to sell higher throughput higher dollar connections, to offset the 
potential nlos customers we would lose. something about being able to 
sync with competitors down the road seemed like a good idea to me, 
especially with an AP with 3x the throughput and the whole not using 
gear thats end of life, but i am but a lowly sysadmin with no access 
to the purse strings.


On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Paul McCall > wrote:


I am just curious how many of you have decided to keep using the 320 
series because it goes through trees a lot better than the 450 series 
3.65 product?


Are you expanding with it as far as towers go?  Or, are you just 
adding SMs to what you already have?


Paul

Paul McCall, Pres.

PDMNet / Florida Broadband

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800  office

772-473-0352  cell

www.pdmnet.com 

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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LinkPlanner and Licensed Frequencies

Rory,

Sometimes our engineers in Latvia are not the best at communicating 
expectations.  Of course with no fade, our equipment, just like any other 
manufacturers, will deliver max capacity.  The question is one of availability.

We don't engineer three 9's links unless specifically told to, and even then we 
fight it.  We also only engineer links with at least 20dB of fade margin (this 
is an old school rule of thumb).  I've never seen anyone truly happy with 
anything less than four 9's honestly.

Also yes there are a lot of knobs and adjustments you can make to Pathloss (the 
vendor neutral program we use) and LinkPlanner to get considerably different 
results.

If you want to send me the LinkPlanner file I'm happy to discuss the 
differences offlist with you between the two calculations and also set the 
"conditions" of each profile the same to show you what you're getting.

***
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SAF North America LLC
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com
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> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory McCann
> Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2015 7:00 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium LinkPlanner and Licensed Frequencies
>
> Hey guys,
>
> Running into a strange problem with LinkPlanner. I have a couple of exisitng
> 5GHz links I'm looking at replacing with a licensed solution - one of which is
> about 27 miles.
>
> According to LinkPlanner this shot should be no problem (granted not with
> more than 3 9s of uptime, which is fine considering I have redundancy via
> another path) using 3 foot dishes, but the SAF engineers are telling me my
> only option is 6GHz with 6 foot dishes using the same parameters.
>
> The best the engineers at SAF could promise was about 150Mbps on Integra,
> whereas according to LinkPlanner I can get over 800Mbps using an 820s.
>
> Is LinkPlanner this far off, or are there some special knobs I need to turn to
> get real-world results? Or is Cambium somehow that much superior to the
> other products out there?
>
> --
> Rory McCann
> MKAP Technology Solutions
> Web: www.mkap.net



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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LinkPlanner and Licensed Frequencies

Right but you also need to specific capacity, which is a common error I see in 
LinkPlanner files sent to me.



I suspect we are not comparing 1024QAM modulation to 1024QAM modulation.



Josh is also right.  6GHz and 11GHz have uptime requirements that have to be 
met along with utilization requirements.



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Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com 

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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory McCann
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2015 7:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LinkPlanner and Licensed Frequencies



You can specify channel size and 1+0, 2+0 etc in the link description. Also 
LinkPlanner lists the minimum uptime threshold and if you fail to meet it the 
link becomes red.



Rory McCann
MKAP Technology Solutions
Web: www.mkap.net 

On 6/4/2015 8:04 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Doesn't the 820 bond channels and such?  I guess two 80s for that kind of 
throughput?

27 miles is going to be 6 footers in 6 GHz.  You need a certain threshold of 
uptime for licenses.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 4, 2015 9:00 AM, "Rory McCann" mailto:rmm.li...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hey guys,

Running into a strange problem with LinkPlanner. I have a couple of exisitng 
5GHz links I'm looking at replacing with a licensed solution - one of which is 
about 27 miles.

According to LinkPlanner this shot should be no problem (granted not with more 
than 3 9s of uptime, which is fine considering I have redundancy via another 
path) using 3 foot dishes, but the SAF engineers are telling me my only option 
is 6GHz with 6 foot dishes using the same parameters.

The best the engineers at SAF could promise was about 150Mbps on Integra, 
whereas according to LinkPlanner I can get over 800Mbps using an 820s.

Is LinkPlanner this far off, or are there some special knobs I need to turn to 
get real-world results? Or is Cambium somehow that much superior to the other 
products out there?

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MKAP Technology Solutions
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Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

Ben,

The testing was based on using the standard Cambium antenna, respectively, for 
both platforms.

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ben Royer
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 9:11 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

What antenna are you using in your testing of the 450 vs. 320 NLOS?  I’m just 
curious because this is an interesting report, as we have a network of around 
2,500 320 customers, and we are in the same position of looking for that next 
great thing.

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

From: Paul McCall
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

But, if you are using 320 for NLOS solutions, the 450 trade up means you’re 
going to lose customers since the 450 doesn’t do nearly as good a job as the 320

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

Don’t they have another WiMAX-to-450 tradeup going on?  Kind of a 3650 MHz 
cash-for-clunkers program.

From: That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

Im stuck with it. We bought an overstock load of APs and SMs. We have a dream 
of Telrad working out to save the day with their firmware load. Some creative 
Telrad AP deployments gradually replacing the 320 APs, utilizing the 320 CPEs 
until we migrate the site to LTE with telrad CPEs, giving us 320 CPEs to 
redeploy.

The dream is somebody will write some magic code to sit on an intermediary 
server to communicate with the FCC database thing so we can redeploy the 320 
APs to small sites.

We had two test sites for the 450. One site landlord hasnt allowed us up there 
to swap equipment, we have to deal with that on the lease side and our other 
450 test site has only 3 users on it with good links so we havent been able to 
test the 1x magic out.

I would have preferred to more aggressively pursue the 450 and be able to sell 
higher throughput higher dollar connections, to offset the potential nlos 
customers we would lose. something about being able to sync with competitors 
down the road seemed like a good idea to me, especially with an AP with 3x the 
throughput and the whole not using gear thats end of life, but i am but a lowly 
sysadmin with no access to the purse strings.

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
I am just curious how many of you have decided to keep using the 320 series 
because it goes through trees a lot better than the 450 series 3.65 product?

Are you expanding with it as far as towers go?  Or, are you just adding SMs to 
what you already have?

Paul

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net

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Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using


Were you using a reflector on the 450SM?

On 6/4/2015 9:30 AM, Paul McCall wrote:


Ben,

The testing was based on using the standard Cambium antenna, 
respectively, for both platforms.


Paul

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ben Royer
*Sent:* Thursday, June 04, 2015 9:11 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

What antenna are you using in your testing of the 450 vs. 320 NLOS?  
I’m just curious because this is an interesting report, as we have a 
network of around 2,500 320 customers, and we are in the same position 
of looking for that next great thing.


Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net 

*From:*Paul McCall 

*Sent:*Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:40 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

But, if you are using 320 for NLOS solutions, the 450 trade up means 
you’re going to lose customers since the 450 doesn’t do nearly as good 
a job as the 320


Paul

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:37 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

Don’t they have another WiMAX-to-450 tradeup going on?  Kind of a 3650 
MHz cash-for-clunkers program.


*From:*That One Guy /sarcasm 

*Sent:*Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:08 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

Im stuck with it. We bought an overstock load of APs and SMs. We have 
a dream of Telrad working out to save the day with their firmware 
load. Some creative Telrad AP deployments gradually replacing the 320 
APs, utilizing the 320 CPEs until we migrate the site to LTE with 
telrad CPEs, giving us 320 CPEs to redeploy.


The dream is somebody will write some magic code to sit on an 
intermediary server to communicate with the FCC database thing so we 
can redeploy the 320 APs to small sites.


We had two test sites for the 450. One site landlord hasnt allowed us 
up there to swap equipment, we have to deal with that on the lease 
side and our other 450 test site has only 3 users on it with good 
links so we havent been able to test the 1x magic out.


I would have preferred to more aggressively pursue the 450 and be able 
to sell higher throughput higher dollar connections, to offset the 
potential nlos customers we would lose. something about being able to 
sync with competitors down the road seemed like a good idea to me, 
especially with an AP with 3x the throughput and the whole not using 
gear thats end of life, but i am but a lowly sysadmin with no access 
to the purse strings.


On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Paul McCall > wrote:


I am just curious how many of you have decided to keep using the 320 
series because it goes through trees a lot better than the 450 series 
3.65 product?


Are you expanding with it as far as towers go?  Or, are you just 
adding SMs to what you already have?


Paul

Paul McCall, Pres.

PDMNet / Florida Broadband

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800  office

772-473-0352  cell

www.pdmnet.com 

pa...@pdmnet.net 



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Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

With or without…. Made like difference.  Sometimes the reflector made no 
different and on occasion made it worse depending on the densities of the trees.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 9:36 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

Were you using a reflector on the 450SM?
On 6/4/2015 9:30 AM, Paul McCall wrote:
Ben,

The testing was based on using the standard Cambium antenna, respectively, for 
both platforms.

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ben Royer
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 9:11 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

What antenna are you using in your testing of the 450 vs. 320 NLOS?  I’m just 
curious because this is an interesting report, as we have a network of around 
2,500 320 customers, and we are in the same position of looking for that next 
great thing.

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

From: Paul McCall
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

But, if you are using 320 for NLOS solutions, the 450 trade up means you’re 
going to lose customers since the 450 doesn’t do nearly as good a job as the 320

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

Don’t they have another WiMAX-to-450 tradeup going on?  Kind of a 3650 MHz 
cash-for-clunkers program.

From: That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

Im stuck with it. We bought an overstock load of APs and SMs. We have a dream 
of Telrad working out to save the day with their firmware load. Some creative 
Telrad AP deployments gradually replacing the 320 APs, utilizing the 320 CPEs 
until we migrate the site to LTE with telrad CPEs, giving us 320 CPEs to 
redeploy.

The dream is somebody will write some magic code to sit on an intermediary 
server to communicate with the FCC database thing so we can redeploy the 320 
APs to small sites.

We had two test sites for the 450. One site landlord hasnt allowed us up there 
to swap equipment, we have to deal with that on the lease side and our other 
450 test site has only 3 users on it with good links so we havent been able to 
test the 1x magic out.

I would have preferred to more aggressively pursue the 450 and be able to sell 
higher throughput higher dollar connections, to offset the potential nlos 
customers we would lose. something about being able to sync with competitors 
down the road seemed like a good idea to me, especially with an AP with 3x the 
throughput and the whole not using gear thats end of life, but i am but a lowly 
sysadmin with no access to the purse strings.

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
I am just curious how many of you have decided to keep using the 320 series 
because it goes through trees a lot better than the 450 series 3.65 product?

Are you expanding with it as far as towers go?  Or, are you just adding SMs to 
what you already have?

Paul

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net

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Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

I want to clarify… ALL of my statements regarding the 450 or discussion of the 
320 in these scenarios is for challenging NLOS environments.  For those using 
3.65 simply because it is a cleaner spectrum, the 450 is a clear winner.

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 9:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

With or without…. Made like difference.  Sometimes the reflector made no 
different and on occasion made it worse depending on the densities of the trees.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 9:36 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

Were you using a reflector on the 450SM?
On 6/4/2015 9:30 AM, Paul McCall wrote:
Ben,

The testing was based on using the standard Cambium antenna, respectively, for 
both platforms.

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ben Royer
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 9:11 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

What antenna are you using in your testing of the 450 vs. 320 NLOS?  I’m just 
curious because this is an interesting report, as we have a network of around 
2,500 320 customers, and we are in the same position of looking for that next 
great thing.

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

From: Paul McCall
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

But, if you are using 320 for NLOS solutions, the 450 trade up means you’re 
going to lose customers since the 450 doesn’t do nearly as good a job as the 320

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

Don’t they have another WiMAX-to-450 tradeup going on?  Kind of a 3650 MHz 
cash-for-clunkers program.

From: That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

Im stuck with it. We bought an overstock load of APs and SMs. We have a dream 
of Telrad working out to save the day with their firmware load. Some creative 
Telrad AP deployments gradually replacing the 320 APs, utilizing the 320 CPEs 
until we migrate the site to LTE with telrad CPEs, giving us 320 CPEs to 
redeploy.

The dream is somebody will write some magic code to sit on an intermediary 
server to communicate with the FCC database thing so we can redeploy the 320 
APs to small sites.

We had two test sites for the 450. One site landlord hasnt allowed us up there 
to swap equipment, we have to deal with that on the lease side and our other 
450 test site has only 3 users on it with good links so we havent been able to 
test the 1x magic out.

I would have preferred to more aggressively pursue the 450 and be able to sell 
higher throughput higher dollar connections, to offset the potential nlos 
customers we would lose. something about being able to sync with competitors 
down the road seemed like a good idea to me, especially with an AP with 3x the 
throughput and the whole not using gear thats end of life, but i am but a lowly 
sysadmin with no access to the purse strings.

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
I am just curious how many of you have decided to keep using the 320 series 
because it goes through trees a lot better than the 450 series 3.65 product?

Are you expanding with it as far as towers go?  Or, are you just adding SMs to 
what you already have?

Paul

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net

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Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits

Once upon a time, I was in a vo-tec program for tool and die makers that was a 
feeder school for Boeing.  One of our first subjects to study were twist 
drills.  There are multiple faces on a twist drill as relief areas called the 
rake.  Moreover the angle of the point varies with the material.  The harder 
the material the less pointed the point.  We had to make these things by hand 
and were graded by an optical comparator.  Machineries handbook is a good 
source of info for stuff like this.  

Pointy drills are for wood.  Not so pointy are for metal.  

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 6:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits

It's funny to find this discussion on the list today, we have been talking 
about our drill doctor since this morning.

We use a lot of 5/8"x18" Irwin installer bits. We like them because they are 
reasonably priced, long enough to get through most of the log cabins here, and 
come with a 90deg angle point as opposed to the more common 118deg angle point.

We run them into the ground though, which sucks the next time you have to drill 
through thinner wood siding or shingles because it will often split the wood on 
the exit hole, so you have to keep them sharp.

We have a drill doctor, but it just does the 118deg angle which doesn't bite as 
well.

Spent part of the day looking for a drill doctor with a 90deg or better angle, 
but it seems they don't make one. We'd probably be better off buying a table 
grinding wheel and a drill bit jig, but that can get spendy.

Our end result decision is to just buy a crap ton of irwin bits. If anybody has 
a source for these, we'd like to buy in bulk at cheaper than $11/bit (local 
pricing).

Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.comOn 06/03/2015 04:12 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:

  I bought a drill doctor and even though the bits looked good, they didnï¿½t 
work as well.ï¿½ We do mostly wood but installers are sometimes too lazy to 
change the bit when they get to the stucco and that dulls them faster.

  ï¿½

  Rory

  ï¿½

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
  Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2015 3:50 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits

  ï¿½

  *doing it with a bench grinder.

I was at a machine shop where they were doing it with a ben

  You can do it by hand with a bit of practice.

  ï¿½

  From: Glen Waldrop 

  Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:24 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits

  ï¿½

  My dad has always sharpened his own, so I tend to do the same.

  In my experience, if used in wood they can be sharpened with little 
issue. If you drill through metal, buy a new one.

  ï¿½

  It loses some of the hardness on the edge. It really needs to be tempered 
again after sharpening.

  ï¿½

  ï¿½

- Original Message - 

From: Rory Conaway 

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:18 PM

Subject: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits

ï¿½

We are paying $15-$25 for longer drill bits.ï¿½ When they start to get 
dull, just wondering if anyone has had success sharpening them or do you just 
buy new ones?

ï¿½

Rory Conaway ï¿½ Triad Wireless ï¿½ CEO

4226 S. 37th Street ï¿½ Phoenix ï¿½ AZ 85040

602-426-0542

r...@triadwireless.net

www.triadwireless.net

ï¿½

ï¿½You may be an engineer if your idea of good interpersonal 
communication means getting the decimal point in the right place.ï¿½ ï¿½ Unknown

ï¿½

ï¿½

  ï¿½

Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits

In the interest of science, be interesting if you could include the number of 
beers you have had prior to each email each day.  I hypothesize that your 
vocabulary and alcohol consumption have a certain correlation.  Just a simple 
number at the beginning or end.  7, 9, 18...

The high numbered emails would probably be worthy of an archive.  

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 9:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits

Rotary hammers, fucking beasts.

We were talking about our tapered bits. We have tons with one dull ring. 46 
bucks for 20 holes adds up.

On Jun 3, 2015 10:00 PM, "Jason McKemie"  
wrote:

  I must have never used a rotary hammer then, hammer drills seem to work just 
fine for stone, masonry, etc.

  On Wednesday, June 3, 2015, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Rotary hammer very different beast than hammer drill which is only good for 
stuff like tapcons.

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 8:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits

Yeah, never use anything but a hammer drill on stone/concrete/etc.

On Wednesday, June 3, 2015, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

  What you want for the concrete is a rotary hammer. A little spendy and 
the bit cost is astronomical, but they will bite through granite like it's 
nothing in seconds. We use rotary hammers for rohn wall mount kits going into 
brick, concrete, and stone. Have only tried the corded hitachi's, although 
dewalt has a cordless one I've been keeping my eye on.

http://www.amazon.com/Hitachi-DH40MRY-16-inch-Rotary-Hammer/dp/B000XVINQY/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1433378353&sr=8-4&keywords=hitachi+rotary+hammer
 is what we've used.

http://www.amazon.com/DEWALT-DCH253M2-Mode-Rotary-Hammer/dp/B00DD1UOTU/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1433378421&sr=8-9&keywords=dewalt+rotary+hammer
 is the one I've had my eye on.

Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.comOn 06/03/2015 02:37 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

We are trying different brands for 3/32 holes we need for door contacts 
and switches.   Metal is tough then we hit concrete on door frame.  Slow speeds 
and oil helps but we eat them up.  For concrete and cinder block walls Hilti 
drill and bits have no problem.  

Jaime Solorza

On Jun 3, 2015 4:26 PM, "Chuck McCown" 
 wrote:

  You can do it by hand with a bit of practice.

  From: Glen Waldrop 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:24 PM
  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits

  My dad has always sharpened his own, so I tend to do the same.

  In my experience, if used in wood they can be sharpened with little 
issue. If you drill through metal, buy a new one.

  It loses some of the hardness on the edge. It really needs to be 
tempered again after sharpening.

- Original Message - 
From: Rory Conaway 
To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:18 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits

We are paying $15-$25 for longer drill bits.  When they start to 
get dull, just wondering if anyone has had success sharpening them or do you 
just buy new ones?

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040

602-426-0542

r...@triadwireless.net

www.triadwireless.net

“You may be an engineer if your idea of good interpersonal 
communication means getting the decimal point in the right place.” – Unknown

Re: [AFMUG] Tall J-mount

2015-06-04 Thread Rory Conaway

The biggest one is the DS-3000.  But holding an AirFiber24, I doubt it unless 
you have lots of reinforcement and you use some kind of anchor glue at the 
base.  We use them with PowerBeam-400s but unless 4-5 bolts anchor really well, 
we add at least 1 of the braces.  

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 6:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Tall J-mount

Where is the best place to get tall J-Mounts that can hold an AirFiber 24 or a 
full height sector? I don't need them in quantity, just a few for now.  I got 
some 25" ones from Streakwave, but they are too short for a full height sector 
and I don't know how much I trust them to hold an AirFiber 24.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

2015-06-04 Thread Mathew Howard

Under the old rules - if I understand right, we'll eventually have to
register existing stuff with an SAS, but nothing has really changed for
now. You can keep operating under the old rules until some time in 2020.

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 2:31 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:

>  OK, but under what rule set, for how long before you have to comply with
> the new rules coming out?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2015 9:51 PM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using
>
>
>
> You can still add new 3.65 AP locations from any of the currently
> available manufacturers, as long as you already have a 3.65 license.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> Interesting.  I agree with the dream of having someone re-write the
> firmware to interface 320 stuff with the FCC database.  Probably just a
> dream though.
>
>
>
> On the 450, you mention being able to sync with customers down the road.
> The way I understand it, there is no standard being proposed that would
> make that happen… if you have 5 other people with like or unlike platforms
> playing in “your” RF space, they can still have the same frequency
> contention challenges that you have now.   Its just that they would be
> restricted from competing with the known higher priority users in the
> database.
>
>
>
> I was curious to see what the consensus is on 320 use moving forward for
> those that have found it to be the only way to service certain NLOS
> customers.
>
>
>
> The considerations seem to be…
>
>
>
> 1)  Replace with 450 series gear at 3.65 and loose some of the
> customers that were tough NLOS problems that the 320 series solved.
>
> (if your were using the 320 only because it was a cleaner freq. band
> (3.65), then the 450 seems to make sense for that.
>
> 2)  Replace with Telrad gear at 3.65 (pricey) and sell off their old
> 320 series for whatever they can get.
>
> 3)  Deploy MORE 320 gear because it is working well and solves the
> specific problem.  BW limited but works pretty well (*some might debate
> that)
>
>
>
> *At this moment, can you add ANY new 3.65 AP locations (from any
> manufacturer) or forced to wait until the “next” thing comes to play with
> the FCC rules?*
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:09 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using
>
>
>
> Im stuck with it. We bought an overstock load of APs and SMs. We have a
> dream of Telrad working out to save the day with their firmware load. Some
> creative Telrad AP deployments gradually replacing the 320 APs, utilizing
> the 320 CPEs until we migrate the site to LTE with telrad CPEs, giving us
> 320 CPEs to redeploy.
>
>
>
> The dream is somebody will write some magic code to sit on an intermediary
> server to communicate with the FCC database thing so we can redeploy the
> 320 APs to small sites.
>
>
>
> We had two test sites for the 450. One site landlord hasnt allowed us up
> there to swap equipment, we have to deal with that on the lease side and
> our other 450 test site has only 3 users on it with good links so we havent
> been able to test the 1x magic out.
>
>
>
> I would have preferred to more aggressively pursue the 450 and be able to
> sell higher throughput higher dollar connections, to offset the potential
> nlos customers we would lose. something about being able to sync with
> competitors down the road seemed like a good idea to me, especially with an
> AP with 3x the throughput and the whole not using gear thats end of life,
> but i am but a lowly sysadmin with no access to the purse strings.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> I am just curious how many of you have decided to keep using the 320
> series because it goes through trees a lot better than the 450 series 3.65
> product?
>
>
>
> Are you expanding with it as far as towers go?  Or, are you just adding
> SMs to what you already have?
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, Pres.
>
> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 office
>
> 772-473-0352 cell
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits

I avoid the list after drinking, that used to result in offlist spankings.

The tapered bits i should have clarified were the ones for a regular drill,
i hate that the one ring always dulls out. I was just professing my love
for the rotary hammer. I get to use mine in the basement this weekend to
run some electric and a sump discharge through my foundation, Its going to
be glorious.

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

>   In the interest of science, be interesting if you could include the
> number of beers you have had prior to each email each day.  I hypothesize
> that your vocabulary and alcohol consumption have a certain correlation.
> Just a simple number at the beginning or end.  7, 9, 18...
>
> The high numbered emails would probably be worthy of an archive.
>
>  *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2015 9:17 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits
>
>
> Rotary hammers, fucking beasts.
>
> We were talking about our tapered bits. We have tons with one dull ring.
> 46 bucks for 20 holes adds up.
> On Jun 3, 2015 10:00 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
> wrote:
>
>> I must have never used a rotary hammer then, hammer drills seem to work
>> just fine for stone, masonry, etc.
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 3, 2015, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>>   Rotary hammer very different beast than hammer drill which is only
>>> good for stuff like tapcons.
>>>
>>>  *From:* Jason McKemie
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2015 8:08 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits
>>>
>>> Yeah, never use anything but a hammer drill on stone/concrete/etc.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 3, 2015, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>>
 What you want for the concrete is a rotary hammer. A little spendy and
 the bit cost is astronomical, but they will bite through granite like it's
 nothing in seconds. We use rotary hammers for rohn wall mount kits going
 into brick, concrete, and stone. Have only tried the corded hitachi's,
 although dewalt has a cordless one I've been keeping my eye on.


 http://www.amazon.com/Hitachi-DH40MRY-16-inch-Rotary-Hammer/dp/B000XVINQY/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1433378353&sr=8-4&keywords=hitachi+rotary+hammer
 is what we've used.


 http://www.amazon.com/DEWALT-DCH253M2-Mode-Rotary-Hammer/dp/B00DD1UOTU/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1433378421&sr=8-9&keywords=dewalt+rotary+hammer
 is the one I've had my eye on.

 Josh Reynolds
 CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com

 On 06/03/2015 02:37 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

 We are trying different brands for 3/32 holes we need for door contacts
 and switches.   Metal is tough then we hit concrete on door frame.  Slow
 speeds and oil helps but we eat them up.  For concrete and cinder block
 walls Hilti drill and bits have no problem.

 Jaime Solorza
 On Jun 3, 2015 4:26 PM, "Chuck McCown" <
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');> wrote:

>   You can do it by hand with a bit of practice.
>
>  *From:* Glen Waldrop
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:24 PM
> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits
>
>  My dad has always sharpened his own, so I tend to do the same.
>
> In my experience, if used in wood they can be sharpened with little
> issue. If you drill through metal, buy a new one.
>
> It loses some of the hardness on the edge. It really needs to be
> tempered again after sharpening.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Rory Conaway
> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:18 PM
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits
>
>
> We are paying $15-$25 for longer drill bits.  When they start to get
> dull, just wondering if anyone has had success sharpening them or do you
> just buy new ones?
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <602-426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net*
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> *“You may be an engineer if your idea of good interpersonal
> communication means getting the decimal point in the right place.” –
> Unknown*
>
>
>
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] Rocket M5 Ti problem

I'm working with another WISP that is having an issue with a Rocket M5 Ti XW 
hardware.

We've got Nanobridge M5 for all other shots. We're getting 60-70Mbps through 
each link. The Ti on tower 3 gets 60Mbps+, the Ti on tower 4 gets average of 
12Mbps throughput. -54 signal, -104 noise, 270-300 connection rate, frame 
aggregation enabled, WPA-AES, WDS bridge, same as the rest.

I've gone through the config and I can't find anything that stands out, though 
I've found reports of others having issues with the XW hardware on the forum. 
No info beyond that.

Any thoughts?

Re: [AFMUG] Static & Nearby Lightning Issues

2015-06-04 Thread Edward Brooks

That's what I thought. We currently have outdoor grade Shireen STP-CAT5e to all APs.Looks like for this project, moving the 2/4s below the top,  adding the surge arrestors at the top, and adding the aerial will help until we budget for a complete ( or 1 x 1) swap of cabling and ground straps for the 10 APs at the top.Sent from my slightly heavy military grade SmartphoneAdam Moffett  wrote:
You wouldn't use the ground kit with a foil shield.  You'd get an
outside plant cable with armor on it.
Example: https://objects.eanixter.com/PD327279.PDF


On 6/4/2015 12:31 AM, Edward Brooks
  wrote:

How does it go on without nicking that thin foil? Is
  there a tool for the Cat5? I looked at the Commscope installation
  guide and it said smooth copper coax (Heliax) or braided.
  
  -Ed
  
  Sent from my slightly heavy military grade Smartphone
  
  Jaime Solorza  wrote:
  
  We  use those on super flex but not on heliax...use
the other old school version
  
  Jaime Solorza
  
So, something like this then?   https://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=445755
  
  


  On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 6:24 PM, Tyson
Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc  wrote:

  
Simple:  buy cat 5 grounding kits for
Shielded cable.  Use them at top, middle and
  bottom. No more no less.  Doesn't involve cutting
  cable just connect into shield and water proof like
  hell. 
  
  Sent from my iPhone

  
On Jun 3, 2015, at 6:35 PM, Ken Hohhof 
wrote:

  


  

  
  I would NOT put Cat5 surge protectors
every 50-75 feet, you will likely get
Ethernet errors and/or negotiation
problems.  At most there should be one at
each end.
   
  You are probably thinking of coax, and
even so I suspect those are shield grounds,
not actual surge protectors.
   
  I do agree with not making your antennas
the highest thing on the tower if you can
help it.
   
  If you must use an omni antenna located
at the top, I have had some success with a
COAX surge protector between the radio and
the antenna.  Polyphaser makes some DC
blocking types that work OK and aren’t too
expensive.  If lightning hits, the omni is
still probably toast, but it might save the
radio.
  

   
  
From: Edward Brooks 
Sent: Wednesday, June 03,
  2015 5:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Static
  & Nearby Lightning Issues
  

 
  


  
Here
  goes...
   We have a new 118' Super Titan Max
  tower that has been grounded per
  manufacturers recommendations.  Each leg
  is physically bonded (not exothermically)
  to a 10' ground rod, all ground rods are
  then connected to each other in a ring. 
  The equipment cabinet is bonded to an 8'
  ground rod and tied into the meter base
  grounding as well.  The two ground rings
  are then bonded to each other in 2
  separate places.
   With that said our issue has not been
  with the grounding, but with the
  dissipation of static

Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits

The drill doctor has a masonry bit mode. Although, I don't think they
need a super-sharp edge to work. It's like they mainly just beat there
way through the material.

On 6/4/2015 5:01 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Rotary hammer bits have carbide tips and should do a lot more than 20
holes. I don’t resharpen them but it should be possible.
The downside is they are really poor at going through wood or any
material other than masonry, you need to switch to a regular bit for that.
Even in a hammer drill, you are probably using carbide tip bits, just
not SDS shank.

*From:* Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Thursday, June 04, 2015 6:39 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits
Given Steve's reputation, I'm not sure what we're talking about re:
$46 for 20 holes.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com

*From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm"
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, June 3, 2015 10:17:31 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits

Rotary hammers, fucking beasts.

We were talking about our tapered bits. We have tons with one dull
ring. 46 bucks for 20 holes adds up.

On Jun 3, 2015 10:00 PM, "Jason McKemie"
> wrote:

I must have never used a rotary hammer then, hammer drills seem to
work just fine for stone, masonry, etc.

On Wednesday, June 3, 2015, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

Rotary hammer very different beast than hammer drill which is
only good for stuff like tapcons.
*From:* Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2015 8:08 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits
Yeah, never use anything but a hammer drill on stone/concrete/etc.

On Wednesday, June 3, 2015, Josh Reynolds
wrote:

What you want for the concrete is a rotary hammer. A
little spendy and the bit cost is astronomical, but they
will bite through granite like it's nothing in seconds. We
use rotary hammers for rohn wall mount kits going into
brick, concrete, and stone. Have only tried the corded
hitachi's, although dewalt has a cordless one I've been
keeping my eye on.

http://www.amazon.com/Hitachi-DH40MRY-16-inch-Rotary-Hammer/dp/B000XVINQY/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1433378353&sr=8-4&keywords=hitachi+rotary+hammer
is what we've used.

http://www.amazon.com/DEWALT-DCH253M2-Mode-Rotary-Hammer/dp/B00DD1UOTU/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1433378421&sr=8-9&keywords=dewalt+rotary+hammer
is the one I've had my eye on.

Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com

On 06/03/2015 02:37 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

We are trying different brands for 3/32 holes we need
for door contacts and switches. Metal is tough then we
hit concrete on door frame. Slow speeds and oil helps
but we eat them up. For concrete and cinder block
walls Hilti drill and bits have no problem.

Jaime Solorza

On Jun 3, 2015 4:26 PM, "Chuck McCown"
wrote:

You can do it by hand with a bit of practice.
*From:* Glen Waldrop
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:24 PM
*To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits
My dad has always sharpened his own, so I tend to
do the same.

In my experience, if used in wood they can be
sharpened with little issue. If you drill through
metal, buy a new one.
It loses some of the hardness on the edge. It
really needs to be tempered again after sharpening.

- Original Message -
*From:* Rory Conaway
*To:*
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:18 PM
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits

We are paying $15-$25 for longer drill bits.
When they start to get dull, just wondering if

Re: [AFMUG] powering a Mimosa B5 integrated with GigE-APC-POE

2015-06-04 Thread Sean Heskett

This particular site is solar and that's why I needed to power it with DC
using the GIGE-POE-APC

On Wednesday, June 3, 2015, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:

> We start using the netonix miniswitches. We power them with the mimosa
> brick and power mimosa/epmp/mikrotik with the switch. Working fine so far.
>
>
>  Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
> Von: Sean Heskett  >
> Datum: 04.06.2015 05:22 (GMT+01:00)
> An: af@afmug.com 
> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] powering a Mimosa B5 integrated with GigE-APC-POE
>
> Thanks for the info.
>
> Mimosa also sent me this link.
> http://help.mimosa.co/backhaul-faq-non-mimosa-poe
>   Basically the things are so damn smart they will accept power from
> almost any pin combination you can think of.
>
> The pic attached is what the Poe brick has printed on it.
>
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 3, 2015, TJ Trout  > wrote:
>
>> yep. pinout is on the poe brick
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> Has anyone tried to power a Mimosa B5 integrated with GigE-APC-POE?
>>>  what pins should i put the + and - voltages on?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> sean
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LinkPlanner and Licensed Frequencies

2015-06-04 Thread Sean Heskett

We have a 29 mile shot using 11ghz and 4 foot dishes.  It's currently a
dragonwave but we are switching to SAF integra 2+0 gigabit link this
summer.  Path calcs show four 9's+ uptime.  We are in NW CO.

2 cents

On Thursday, June 4, 2015, Rory McCann  wrote:

> Hey guys,
>
> Running into a strange problem with LinkPlanner. I have a couple of
> exisitng 5GHz links I'm looking at replacing with a licensed solution - one
> of which is about 27 miles.
>
> According to LinkPlanner this shot should be no problem (granted not with
> more than 3 9s of uptime, which is fine considering I have redundancy via
> another path) using 3 foot dishes, but the SAF engineers are telling me my
> only option is 6GHz with 6 foot dishes using the same parameters.
>
> The best the engineers at SAF could promise was about 150Mbps on Integra,
> whereas according to LinkPlanner I can get over 800Mbps using an 820s.
>
> Is LinkPlanner this far off, or are there some special knobs I need to
> turn to get real-world results? Or is Cambium somehow that much superior to
> the other products out there?
>
> --
> Rory McCann
> MKAP Technology Solutions
> Web: www.mkap.net
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

2015-06-04 Thread Ben Royer

Paul,

Thanks for the response.  More specifically I’m interested in the SM side of 
the test, as we too are using the Cambium Antennas at the AP.  However, at the 
SM side, I’d recommend a NLOS test using a connectorized radio with a higher 
gain antenna.  We’ve seen some initial NLOS tests where 450 out performs the 
320.

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

From: Paul McCall 
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 8:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

Ben,

 

The testing was based on using the standard Cambium antenna, respectively, for 
both platforms.

 

Paul

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ben Royer
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 9:11 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

 

What antenna are you using in your testing of the 450 vs. 320 NLOS?  I’m just 
curious because this is an interesting report, as we have a network of around 
2,500 320 customers, and we are in the same position of looking for that next 
great thing.

 

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

 

From: Paul McCall 

Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:40 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

 

But, if you are using 320 for NLOS solutions, the 450 trade up means you’re 
going to lose customers since the 450 doesn’t do nearly as good a job as the 320

 

Paul

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

 

Don’t they have another WiMAX-to-450 tradeup going on?  Kind of a 3650 MHz 
cash-for-clunkers program.

 

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 

Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:08 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

 

Im stuck with it. We bought an overstock load of APs and SMs. We have a dream 
of Telrad working out to save the day with their firmware load. Some creative 
Telrad AP deployments gradually replacing the 320 APs, utilizing the 320 CPEs 
until we migrate the site to LTE with telrad CPEs, giving us 320 CPEs to 
redeploy. 

 

The dream is somebody will write some magic code to sit on an intermediary 
server to communicate with the FCC database thing so we can redeploy the 320 
APs to small sites.

 

We had two test sites for the 450. One site landlord hasnt allowed us up there 
to swap equipment, we have to deal with that on the lease side and our other 
450 test site has only 3 users on it with good links so we havent been able to 
test the 1x magic out.

 

I would have preferred to more aggressively pursue the 450 and be able to sell 
higher throughput higher dollar connections, to offset the potential nlos 
customers we would lose. something about being able to sync with competitors 
down the road seemed like a good idea to me, especially with an AP with 3x the 
throughput and the whole not using gear thats end of life, but i am but a lowly 
sysadmin with no access to the purse strings.

 

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

I am just curious how many of you have decided to keep using the 320 series 
because it goes through trees a lot better than the 450 series 3.65 product?

 

Are you expanding with it as far as towers go?  Or, are you just adding SMs to 
what you already have?

 

Paul

 

Paul McCall, Pres.

PDMNet / Florida Broadband 

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 office

772-473-0352 cell

www.pdmnet.com

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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LinkPlanner and Licensed Frequencies

29 miles and 4 footers?  Sweet!!!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> We have a 29 mile shot using 11ghz and 4 foot dishes.  It's currently a
> dragonwave but we are switching to SAF integra 2+0 gigabit link this
> summer.  Path calcs show four 9's+ uptime.  We are in NW CO.
>
> 2 cents
>
> On Thursday, June 4, 2015, Rory McCann  wrote:
>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> Running into a strange problem with LinkPlanner. I have a couple of
>> exisitng 5GHz links I'm looking at replacing with a licensed solution - one
>> of which is about 27 miles.
>>
>> According to LinkPlanner this shot should be no problem (granted not with
>> more than 3 9s of uptime, which is fine considering I have redundancy via
>> another path) using 3 foot dishes, but the SAF engineers are telling me my
>> only option is 6GHz with 6 foot dishes using the same parameters.
>>
>> The best the engineers at SAF could promise was about 150Mbps on Integra,
>> whereas according to LinkPlanner I can get over 800Mbps using an 820s.
>>
>> Is LinkPlanner this far off, or are there some special knobs I need to
>> turn to get real-world results? Or is Cambium somehow that much superior to
>> the other products out there?
>>
>> --
>> Rory McCann
>> MKAP Technology Solutions
>> Web: www.mkap.net
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

On the SM side, we did not try connectorized 3.65 450 SMs.

In our past experience with 320s, the SMCs used with a KP Performance 3.65 
feedhorn reflector got less results at times for NLOS shots then a standard SM. 
 It was explained to me that is because it’s not a “need more power, burn 
through trees issue”… it’s a “don’t narrow the beam so much than the wimax 
can’t work around the tree elements” issue.

Our testing exposure was rather limited and we stopped when others on the list 
confirmed they had similar results.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ben Royer
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 11:18 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

Paul,

Thanks for the response.  More specifically I’m interested in the SM side of 
the test, as we too are using the Cambium Antennas at the AP.  However, at the 
SM side, I’d recommend a NLOS test using a connectorized radio with a higher 
gain antenna.  We’ve seen some initial NLOS tests where 450 out performs the 
320.

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

From: Paul McCall
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 8:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

Ben,

The testing was based on using the standard Cambium antenna, respectively, for 
both platforms.

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ben Royer
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 9:11 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

What antenna are you using in your testing of the 450 vs. 320 NLOS?  I’m just 
curious because this is an interesting report, as we have a network of around 
2,500 320 customers, and we are in the same position of looking for that next 
great thing.

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

From: Paul McCall
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

But, if you are using 320 for NLOS solutions, the 450 trade up means you’re 
going to lose customers since the 450 doesn’t do nearly as good a job as the 320

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

Don’t they have another WiMAX-to-450 tradeup going on?  Kind of a 3650 MHz 
cash-for-clunkers program.

From: That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

Im stuck with it. We bought an overstock load of APs and SMs. We have a dream 
of Telrad working out to save the day with their firmware load. Some creative 
Telrad AP deployments gradually replacing the 320 APs, utilizing the 320 CPEs 
until we migrate the site to LTE with telrad CPEs, giving us 320 CPEs to 
redeploy.

The dream is somebody will write some magic code to sit on an intermediary 
server to communicate with the FCC database thing so we can redeploy the 320 
APs to small sites.

We had two test sites for the 450. One site landlord hasnt allowed us up there 
to swap equipment, we have to deal with that on the lease side and our other 
450 test site has only 3 users on it with good links so we havent been able to 
test the 1x magic out.

I would have preferred to more aggressively pursue the 450 and be able to sell 
higher throughput higher dollar connections, to offset the potential nlos 
customers we would lose. something about being able to sync with competitors 
down the road seemed like a good idea to me, especially with an AP with 3x the 
throughput and the whole not using gear thats end of life, but i am but a lowly 
sysadmin with no access to the purse strings.

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
I am just curious how many of you have decided to keep using the 320 series 
because it goes through trees a lot better than the 450 series 3.65 product?

Are you expanding with it as far as towers go?  Or, are you just adding SMs to 
what you already have?

Paul

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net




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Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

are you getting the connectorized performance gains within fcc eirp? Ive
come to find a good majority of field test results are invalid solely
because the tests are not performed legally

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:

>  On the SM side, we did not try connectorized 3.65 450 SMs.
>
>
>
> In our past experience with 320s, the SMCs used with a KP Performance 3.65
> feedhorn reflector got less results at times for NLOS shots then a standard
> SM.  It was explained to me that is because it’s not a “need more power,
> burn through trees issue”… it’s a “don’t narrow the beam so much than the
> wimax can’t work around the tree elements” issue.
>
>
>
> Our testing exposure was rather limited and we stopped when others on the
> list confirmed they had similar results.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ben Royer
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 04, 2015 11:18 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using
>
>
>
> Paul,
>
>
>
> Thanks for the response.  More specifically I’m interested in the SM side
> of the test, as we too are using the Cambium Antennas at the AP.  However,
> at the SM side, I’d recommend a NLOS test using a connectorized radio with
> a higher gain antenna.  We’ve seen some initial NLOS tests where 450 out
> performs the 320.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
> Ben Royer, Operations Manager
> Royell Communications, Inc.
> 217-965-3699 www.royell.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Paul McCall 
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 04, 2015 8:30 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using
>
>
>
> Ben,
>
>
>
> The testing was based on using the standard Cambium antenna, respectively,
> for both platforms.
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Ben Royer
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 04, 2015 9:11 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using
>
>
>
> What antenna are you using in your testing of the 450 vs. 320 NLOS?  I’m
> just curious because this is an interesting report, as we have a network of
> around 2,500 320 customers, and we are in the same position of looking for
> that next great thing.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
> Ben Royer, Operations Manager
> Royell Communications, Inc.
> 217-965-3699 www.royell.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Paul McCall 
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:40 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using
>
>
>
> But, if you are using 320 for NLOS solutions, the 450 trade up means
> you’re going to lose customers since the 450 doesn’t do nearly as good a
> job as the 320
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:37 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using
>
>
>
> Don’t they have another WiMAX-to-450 tradeup going on?  Kind of a 3650 MHz
> cash-for-clunkers program.
>
>
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:08 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using
>
>
>
> Im stuck with it. We bought an overstock load of APs and SMs. We have a
> dream of Telrad working out to save the day with their firmware load. Some
> creative Telrad AP deployments gradually replacing the 320 APs, utilizing
> the 320 CPEs until we migrate the site to LTE with telrad CPEs, giving us
> 320 CPEs to redeploy.
>
>
>
> The dream is somebody will write some magic code to sit on an intermediary
> server to communicate with the FCC database thing so we can redeploy the
> 320 APs to small sites.
>
>
>
> We had two test sites for the 450. One site landlord hasnt allowed us up
> there to swap equipment, we have to deal with that on the lease side and
> our other 450 test site has only 3 users on it with good links so we havent
> been able to test the 1x magic out.
>
>
>
> I would have preferred to more aggressively pursue the 450 and be able to
> sell higher throughput higher dollar connections, to offset the potential
> nlos customers we would lose. something about being able to sync with
> competitors down the road seemed like a good idea to me, especially with an
> AP with 3x the throughput and the whole not using gear thats end of life,
> but i am but a lowly sysadmin with no access to the purse strings.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> I am just curious how many of you have decided to keep using the 320
> series because it goes through trees a lot better than the 450 series 3.65
> product?
>
>
>
> Are you expanding with it as far as towers go?  Or, are you just adding
> SMs to what you already have?
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, Pres.
>
> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 office
>
> 772-473-0352 cell
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LinkPlanner and Licensed Frequencies

That is the beauty of the West.



Actually in many cases 11GHz outperforms 6GHz out here.  Rain fade is low, so 
multipath fading is the bigger concern.



Once you hit Central USA (say East of the Rockies) rain fade increases to the 
point that is no longer true most of the time.



***

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Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com 

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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2015 9:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LinkPlanner and Licensed Frequencies



29 miles and 4 footers?  Sweet!!!






Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Sean Heskett mailto:af...@zirkel.us> > wrote:

We have a 29 mile shot using 11ghz and 4 foot dishes.  It's currently a 
dragonwave but we are switching to SAF integra 2+0 gigabit link this summer.  
Path calcs show four 9's+ uptime.  We are in NW CO.



2 cents

On Thursday, June 4, 2015, Rory McCann mailto:rmm.li...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hey guys,

Running into a strange problem with LinkPlanner. I have a couple of exisitng 
5GHz links I'm looking at replacing with a licensed solution - one of which is 
about 27 miles.

According to LinkPlanner this shot should be no problem (granted not with more 
than 3 9s of uptime, which is fine considering I have redundancy via another 
path) using 3 foot dishes, but the SAF engineers are telling me my only option 
is 6GHz with 6 foot dishes using the same parameters.

The best the engineers at SAF could promise was about 150Mbps on Integra, 
whereas according to LinkPlanner I can get over 800Mbps using an 820s.

Is LinkPlanner this far off, or are there some special knobs I need to turn to 
get real-world results? Or is Cambium somehow that much superior to the other 
products out there?

--
Rory McCann
MKAP Technology Solutions
Web: www.mkap.net 







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[AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios

We are having problems with ants taking up a nest inside of our radios, has
anyone come across a good solution of sealing the antennas up to keep them
out? This is what we are dealing with:

 



 

Ryan

Fourway.net

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LinkPlanner and Licensed Frequencies

I wonder if we can move the Rockies...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Daniel White  wrote:

> That is the beauty of the West.
>
>
>
> Actually in many cases 11GHz outperforms 6GHz out here.  Rain fade is low,
> so multipath fading is the bigger concern.
>
>
>
> Once you hit Central USA (say East of the Rockies) rain fade increases to
> the point that is no longer true most of the time.
>
>
>
> ***
>
> Daniel White - Managing Director
>
> SAF North America LLC
>
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>
> daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com
>
> Skype: danieldwhite
> Social: LinkedIn 
>
>
>
> ***
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 4, 2015 9:22 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LinkPlanner and Licensed Frequencies
>
>
>
> 29 miles and 4 footers?  Sweet!!!
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> We have a 29 mile shot using 11ghz and 4 foot dishes.  It's currently a
> dragonwave but we are switching to SAF integra 2+0 gigabit link this
> summer.  Path calcs show four 9's+ uptime.  We are in NW CO.
>
>
>
> 2 cents
>
> On Thursday, June 4, 2015, Rory McCann  wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
>
> Running into a strange problem with LinkPlanner. I have a couple of
> exisitng 5GHz links I'm looking at replacing with a licensed solution - one
> of which is about 27 miles.
>
> According to LinkPlanner this shot should be no problem (granted not with
> more than 3 9s of uptime, which is fine considering I have redundancy via
> another path) using 3 foot dishes, but the SAF engineers are telling me my
> only option is 6GHz with 6 foot dishes using the same parameters.
>
> The best the engineers at SAF could promise was about 150Mbps on Integra,
> whereas according to LinkPlanner I can get over 800Mbps using an 820s.
>
> Is LinkPlanner this far off, or are there some special knobs I need to
> turn to get real-world results? Or is Cambium somehow that much superior to
> the other products out there?
>
> --
> Rory McCann
> MKAP Technology Solutions
> Web: www.mkap.net
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios

Not loading for me


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Ryan  wrote:

> We are having problems with ants taking up a nest inside of our radios,
> has anyone come across a good solution of sealing the antennas up to keep
> them out? This is what we are dealing with:
>
>
>
>
>
> Ryan
>
> Fourway.net
>

Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 Ti problem

Got it.

Disabled Airsync.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Glen Waldrop 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 9:56 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 Ti problem

  I'm working with another WISP that is having an issue with a Rocket M5 Ti XW 
hardware.

  We've got Nanobridge M5 for all other shots. We're getting 60-70Mbps through 
each link. The Ti on tower 3 gets 60Mbps+, the Ti on tower 4 gets average of 
12Mbps throughput. -54 signal, -104 noise, 270-300 connection rate, frame 
aggregation enabled, WPA-AES, WDS bridge, same as the rest.

  I've gone through the config and I can't find anything that stands out, 
though I've found reports of others having issues with the XW hardware on the 
forum. No info beyond that.

  Any thoughts?

Re: [AFMUG] Forrest Christian talks Synchronization with you

2015-06-04 Thread Matt

Right now for PTP450 we are using parasitic syncpipe.  Creates more
connections to fail though.  I would really like just the RJ11 plug
from syncpipe to radio.  Maybe he could even down size the pipe
itself.


On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 6:30 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
> I asked Forrest about a UGPS-like pipe. If it's going to cost as much as a
> UGPS because of the power circuit, then forget it, just buy a UGPS.
>
> I would much rather have a parasitic sync-over-power pipe right now for
> those ePMP micro sites and 110PTP backhauls. PoE/ethernet in,
> PoE/ethernet/sync out to the radio. On-board GPS and GPS pucks suck.
>
> On 6/3/2015 5:51 PM, Matt wrote:
>>
>> How about a sync pipe that uses UGPS Power so it only needs to plug
>> into the timing port?
>>
>>
>>> Get answers to your questions on Synchronization from expert Forrest
>>> Christian. Post your questions and comments now, and Forrest and the
>>> Cambium
>>> team will answer them, or join us live today between 1 – 3 PM CDT
>>> http://bit.ly/1cSs42U
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Join the Conversation
>>>
>>> Cambium Networks Community Forum
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LinkPlanner and Licensed Frequencies

In theory I can, but just have to strengthen my faith about 5% more

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 9:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LinkPlanner and Licensed Frequencies

I wonder if we can move the Rockies...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Daniel White  wrote:

  That is the beauty of the West.

  Actually in many cases 11GHz outperforms 6GHz out here.  Rain fade is low, so 
multipath fading is the bigger concern.

  Once you hit Central USA (say East of the Rockies) rain fade increases to the 
point that is no longer true most of the time.

  ***

  Daniel White - Managing Director

  SAF North America LLC

  Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

  daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com

  Skype: danieldwhite
  Social: LinkedIn

  ***

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
  Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2015 9:22 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LinkPlanner and Licensed Frequencies

  29 miles and 4 footers?  Sweet!!!

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

We have a 29 mile shot using 11ghz and 4 foot dishes.  It's currently a 
dragonwave but we are switching to SAF integra 2+0 gigabit link this summer.  
Path calcs show four 9's+ uptime.  We are in NW CO.

2 cents

On Thursday, June 4, 2015, Rory McCann  wrote:

  Hey guys,

  Running into a strange problem with LinkPlanner. I have a couple of 
exisitng 5GHz links I'm looking at replacing with a licensed solution - one of 
which is about 27 miles.

  According to LinkPlanner this shot should be no problem (granted not with 
more than 3 9s of uptime, which is fine considering I have redundancy via 
another path) using 3 foot dishes, but the SAF engineers are telling me my only 
option is 6GHz with 6 foot dishes using the same parameters.

  The best the engineers at SAF could promise was about 150Mbps on Integra, 
whereas according to LinkPlanner I can get over 800Mbps using an 820s.

  Is LinkPlanner this far off, or are there some special knobs I need to 
turn to get real-world results? Or is Cambium somehow that much superior to the 
other products out there?

  -- 
  Rory McCann
  MKAP Technology Solutions
  Web: www.mkap.net

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[AFMUG] Problems with Ants Taking Nest in Radios

We are having problems with ants taking up a nest inside of our radios, has
anyone come across a good solution of sealing the antennas up to keep them
out? I attached a picture to this message since it was not coming up
correctly embedded in the email. I know that we can get some ant spray to
control them that way, but there has to be an easier way of permanently
keeping them out of the antennas. 

 

If anyone has ideas or solutions that you have tried that works please let
me know!

 

Ryan

Fourway.net

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LinkPlanner and Licensed Frequencies

Ive been growing my hair to find out if Im jesus or not. If it turns out I
am, I will put that on my list after getting a robe and sandals

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

>   In theory I can, but just have to strengthen my faith about 5% more
>
>  *From:* Josh Luthman 
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 04, 2015 9:52 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LinkPlanner and Licensed Frequencies
>
>  I wonder if we can move the Rockies...
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Daniel White  wrote:
>
>>  That is the beauty of the West.
>>
>>
>>
>> Actually in many cases 11GHz outperforms 6GHz out here.  Rain fade is
>> low, so multipath fading is the bigger concern.
>>
>>
>>
>> Once you hit Central USA (say East of the Rockies) rain fade increases to
>> the point that is no longer true most of the time.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ***
>>
>> Daniel White - Managing Director
>>
>> SAF North America LLC
>>
>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>>
>> daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com
>>
>> Skype: danieldwhite
>> Social: LinkedIn 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ***
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 4, 2015 9:22 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LinkPlanner and Licensed Frequencies
>>
>>
>>
>> 29 miles and 4 footers?  Sweet!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>> We have a 29 mile shot using 11ghz and 4 foot dishes.  It's currently a
>> dragonwave but we are switching to SAF integra 2+0 gigabit link this
>> summer.  Path calcs show four 9's+ uptime.  We are in NW CO.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2 cents
>>
>> On Thursday, June 4, 2015, Rory McCann  wrote:
>>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> Running into a strange problem with LinkPlanner. I have a couple of
>> exisitng 5GHz links I'm looking at replacing with a licensed solution - one
>> of which is about 27 miles.
>>
>> According to LinkPlanner this shot should be no problem (granted not with
>> more than 3 9s of uptime, which is fine considering I have redundancy via
>> another path) using 3 foot dishes, but the SAF engineers are telling me my
>> only option is 6GHz with 6 foot dishes using the same parameters.
>>
>> The best the engineers at SAF could promise was about 150Mbps on Integra,
>> whereas according to LinkPlanner I can get over 800Mbps using an 820s.
>>
>> Is LinkPlanner this far off, or are there some special knobs I need to
>> turn to get real-world results? Or is Cambium somehow that much superior to
>> the other products out there?
>>
>> --
>> Rory McCann
>> MKAP Technology Solutions
>> Web: www.mkap.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LinkPlanner and Licensed Frequencies

2015-06-04 Thread Rory Conaway

Just an idea.  We are using about 3 of these a week and expect to increase that 
to about 5 shortly.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2015 9:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LinkPlanner and Licensed Frequencies

In theory I can, but just have to strengthen my faith about 5% more

From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 9:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LinkPlanner and Licensed Frequencies

I wonder if we can move the Rockies...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Daniel White 
mailto:afmu...@gmail.com>> wrote:
That is the beauty of the West.

Actually in many cases 11GHz outperforms 6GHz out here.  Rain fade is low, so 
multipath fading is the bigger concern.

Once you hit Central USA (say East of the Rockies) rain fade increases to the 
point that is no longer true most of the time.

***
Daniel White - Managing Director
SAF North America LLC
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com
Skype: danieldwhite
Social: LinkedIn

***

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2015 9:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LinkPlanner and Licensed Frequencies

29 miles and 4 footers?  Sweet!!!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
We have a 29 mile shot using 11ghz and 4 foot dishes.  It's currently a 
dragonwave but we are switching to SAF integra 2+0 gigabit link this summer.  
Path calcs show four 9's+ uptime.  We are in NW CO.

2 cents

On Thursday, June 4, 2015, Rory McCann 
mailto:rmm.li...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hey guys,

Running into a strange problem with LinkPlanner. I have a couple of exisitng 
5GHz links I'm looking at replacing with a licensed solution - one of which is 
about 27 miles.

According to LinkPlanner this shot should be no problem (granted not with more 
than 3 9s of uptime, which is fine considering I have redundancy via another 
path) using 3 foot dishes, but the SAF engineers are telling me my only option 
is 6GHz with 6 foot dishes using the same parameters.

The best the engineers at SAF could promise was about 150Mbps on Integra, 
whereas according to LinkPlanner I can get over 800Mbps using an 820s.

Is LinkPlanner this far off, or are there some special knobs I need to turn to 
get real-world results? Or is Cambium somehow that much superior to the other 
products out there?

--
Rory McCann
MKAP Technology Solutions
Web: www.mkap.net

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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LinkPlanner and Licensed Frequencies

If  you discover you are Jesus, I want to schedule a performance review. 

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 10:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LinkPlanner and Licensed Frequencies

Ive been growing my hair to find out if Im jesus or not. If it turns out I am, 
I will put that on my list after getting a robe and sandals

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  In theory I can, but just have to strengthen my faith about 5% more

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 9:52 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LinkPlanner and Licensed Frequencies

  I wonder if we can move the Rockies...

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Daniel White  wrote:

That is the beauty of the West.

Actually in many cases 11GHz outperforms 6GHz out here.  Rain fade is low, 
so multipath fading is the bigger concern.

Once you hit Central USA (say East of the Rockies) rain fade increases to 
the point that is no longer true most of the time.

***

Daniel White - Managing Director

SAF North America LLC

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com

Skype: danieldwhite
Social: LinkedIn

***

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2015 9:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LinkPlanner and Licensed Frequencies

29 miles and 4 footers?  Sweet!!!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

  We have a 29 mile shot using 11ghz and 4 foot dishes.  It's currently a 
dragonwave but we are switching to SAF integra 2+0 gigabit link this summer.  
Path calcs show four 9's+ uptime.  We are in NW CO.

  2 cents

  On Thursday, June 4, 2015, Rory McCann  wrote:

Hey guys,

Running into a strange problem with LinkPlanner. I have a couple of 
exisitng 5GHz links I'm looking at replacing with a licensed solution - one of 
which is about 27 miles.

According to LinkPlanner this shot should be no problem (granted not 
with more than 3 9s of uptime, which is fine considering I have redundancy via 
another path) using 3 foot dishes, but the SAF engineers are telling me my only 
option is 6GHz with 6 foot dishes using the same parameters.

The best the engineers at SAF could promise was about 150Mbps on 
Integra, whereas according to LinkPlanner I can get over 800Mbps using an 820s.

Is LinkPlanner this far off, or are there some special knobs I need to 
turn to get real-world results? Or is Cambium somehow that much superior to the 
other products out there?

-- 
Rory McCann
MKAP Technology Solutions
Web: www.mkap.net

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[AFMUG] Ants in Antennas Problem Image Working Now

I apologize for the third email, I am still figuring out posting on the
Animal Farm list! We are having problems with ants taking up a nest inside
of our radios, has anyone come across a good solution of sealing the
antennas up to keep them out? I attached a picture to this message since it
was not coming up correctly embedded in the email. I know that we can get
some ant spray to control them that way, but there has to be an easier way
of permanently keeping them out of the antennas:

 

http://imgur.com/1h8Me8g

 

If anyone has ideas or solutions that you have tried that works please let
me know!

 

Ryan

Fourway.net

Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios

2015-06-04 Thread Mark - Myakka Technologies

Ryan,

I've heard a mothball would work.  The well guys do taht around here
to keep them out of the well controllers.  We are going to start
trying in with our outdoor fiber units.  Not sure if it will
interact with the plastic.

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R> radios, has anyone come across a good solution of sealing the
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Re: [AFMUG] Ants in Antennas Problem Image Working Now

The only part that they could really bother is the copper port.  Put some
dielectric grease in there maybe?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Ryan  wrote:

> I apologize for the third email, I am still figuring out posting on the
> Animal Farm list! We are having problems with ants taking up a nest inside
> of our radios, has anyone come across a good solution of sealing the
> antennas up to keep them out? I attached a picture to this message since it
> was not coming up correctly embedded in the email. I know that we can get
> some ant spray to control them that way, but there has to be an easier way
> of permanently keeping them out of the antennas:
>
>
>
> http://imgur.com/1h8Me8g
>
>
>
> If anyone has ideas or solutions that you have tried that works please let
> me know!
>
>
>
> Ryan
>
> Fourway.net
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LinkPlanner and Licensed Frequencies

You can always ask yourself “What would that One Guy Steve do?”
Maybe get a WWTOGSD bumper sticker or tshirt.

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 11:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LinkPlanner and Licensed Frequencies

If  you discover you are Jesus, I want to schedule a performance review. 

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 10:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LinkPlanner and Licensed Frequencies

Ive been growing my hair to find out if Im jesus or not. If it turns out I am, 
I will put that on my list after getting a robe and sandals

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  In theory I can, but just have to strengthen my faith about 5% more

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 9:52 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LinkPlanner and Licensed Frequencies

  I wonder if we can move the Rockies...

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Daniel White  wrote:

That is the beauty of the West.

Actually in many cases 11GHz outperforms 6GHz out here.  Rain fade is low, 
so multipath fading is the bigger concern.

Once you hit Central USA (say East of the Rockies) rain fade increases to 
the point that is no longer true most of the time.

***

Daniel White - Managing Director

SAF North America LLC

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com

Skype: danieldwhite
Social: LinkedIn

***

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2015 9:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LinkPlanner and Licensed Frequencies

29 miles and 4 footers?  Sweet!!!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

  We have a 29 mile shot using 11ghz and 4 foot dishes.  It's currently a 
dragonwave but we are switching to SAF integra 2+0 gigabit link this summer.  
Path calcs show four 9's+ uptime.  We are in NW CO.

  2 cents

  On Thursday, June 4, 2015, Rory McCann  wrote:

Hey guys,

Running into a strange problem with LinkPlanner. I have a couple of 
exisitng 5GHz links I'm looking at replacing with a licensed solution - one of 
which is about 27 miles.

According to LinkPlanner this shot should be no problem (granted not 
with more than 3 9s of uptime, which is fine considering I have redundancy via 
another path) using 3 foot dishes, but the SAF engineers are telling me my only 
option is 6GHz with 6 foot dishes using the same parameters.

The best the engineers at SAF could promise was about 150Mbps on 
Integra, whereas according to LinkPlanner I can get over 800Mbps using an 820s.

Is LinkPlanner this far off, or are there some special knobs I need to 
turn to get real-world results? Or is Cambium somehow that much superior to the 
other products out there?

-- 
Rory McCann
MKAP Technology Solutions
Web: www.mkap.net

This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus 
software. 
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LinkPlanner and Licensed Frequencies

I want that shirt!!!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

>   You can always ask yourself “What would that One Guy Steve do?”
> Maybe get a WWTOGSD bumper sticker or tshirt.
>
>
>  *From:* Chuck McCown 
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 04, 2015 11:12 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LinkPlanner and Licensed Frequencies
>
>   If  you discover you are Jesus, I want to schedule a performance
> review.
>
>  *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 04, 2015 10:07 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LinkPlanner and Licensed Frequencies
>
>  Ive been growing my hair to find out if Im jesus or not. If it turns out
> I am, I will put that on my list after getting a robe and sandals
>
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>>   In theory I can, but just have to strengthen my faith about 5% more
>>
>>  *From:* Josh Luthman 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 04, 2015 9:52 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LinkPlanner and Licensed Frequencies
>>
>>  I wonder if we can move the Rockies...
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Daniel White  wrote:
>>
>>>  That is the beauty of the West.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Actually in many cases 11GHz outperforms 6GHz out here.  Rain fade is
>>> low, so multipath fading is the bigger concern.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Once you hit Central USA (say East of the Rockies) rain fade increases
>>> to the point that is no longer true most of the time.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ***
>>>
>>> Daniel White - Managing Director
>>>
>>> SAF North America LLC
>>>
>>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>>>
>>> daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com
>>>
>>> Skype: danieldwhite
>>> Social: LinkedIn 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ***
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 4, 2015 9:22 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LinkPlanner and Licensed Frequencies
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 29 miles and 4 footers?  Sweet!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
>>> We have a 29 mile shot using 11ghz and 4 foot dishes.  It's currently a
>>> dragonwave but we are switching to SAF integra 2+0 gigabit link this
>>> summer.  Path calcs show four 9's+ uptime.  We are in NW CO.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2 cents
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 4, 2015, Rory McCann  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey guys,
>>>
>>> Running into a strange problem with LinkPlanner. I have a couple of
>>> exisitng 5GHz links I'm looking at replacing with a licensed solution - one
>>> of which is about 27 miles.
>>>
>>> According to LinkPlanner this shot should be no problem (granted not
>>> with more than 3 9s of uptime, which is fine considering I have redundancy
>>> via another path) using 3 foot dishes, but the SAF engineers are telling me
>>> my only option is 6GHz with 6 foot dishes using the same parameters.
>>>
>>> The best the engineers at SAF could promise was about 150Mbps on
>>> Integra, whereas according to LinkPlanner I can get over 800Mbps using an
>>> 820s.
>>>
>>> Is LinkPlanner this far off, or are there some special knobs I need to
>>> turn to get real-world results? Or is Cambium somehow that much superior to
>>> the other products out there?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rory McCann
>>> MKAP Technology Solutions
>>> Web: www.mkap.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>   [image: Avast logo] 
>>>
>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>>> www.avast.com 
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
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> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ants in Antennas Problem Image Working Now

Dielectric grease works, I was going to recommend Vasoline on the entrance, 
around the inside and on the cable right where it enters.

We've got Argentine ants here. We have to go as far as putting automotive 
grease on electrical lines coming in, lines run to lamp posts, network cable, 
coax, etc...

We finally seem to have fought them back, but the little buggers live in Pine 
trees, which we have no shortage of.

I also learned that they don't like Febreeze. It was what I had on hand one 
day, sprayed them so I could wipe them up with a paper towel and get them out 
of the floor. They avoided that spot on the floor for a month or two. I started 
spraying Febreeze around all the seams where I normally spray poison. Worked 
for years. I think they've finally grown to like Febreeze now...



  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Luthman 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 11:18 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ants in Antennas Problem Image Working Now


  The only part that they could really bother is the copper port.  Put some 
dielectric grease in there maybe?




  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Ryan  wrote:

I apologize for the third email, I am still figuring out posting on the 
Animal Farm list! We are having problems with ants taking up a nest inside of 
our radios, has anyone come across a good solution of sealing the antennas up 
to keep them out? I attached a picture to this message since it was not coming 
up correctly embedded in the email. I know that we can get some ant spray to 
control them that way, but there has to be an easier way of permanently keeping 
them out of the antennas:



http://imgur.com/1h8Me8g



If anyone has ideas or solutions that you have tried that works please let 
me know!



Ryan

Fourway.net

Re: [AFMUG] Ants in Antennas Problem Image Working Now

Actually, spray on belt dressing would probably do the trick and take less time 
than grease. Assemble the unit, spray the entrance with belt dressing. It will 
stay there for a long time, stay sticky and the ants generally will avoid it.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Glen Waldrop 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 11:27 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ants in Antennas Problem Image Working Now

  Dielectric grease works, I was going to recommend Vasoline on the entrance, 
around the inside and on the cable right where it enters.

  We've got Argentine ants here. We have to go as far as putting automotive 
grease on electrical lines coming in, lines run to lamp posts, network cable, 
coax, etc...

  We finally seem to have fought them back, but the little buggers live in Pine 
trees, which we have no shortage of.

  I also learned that they don't like Febreeze. It was what I had on hand one 
day, sprayed them so I could wipe them up with a paper towel and get them out 
of the floor. They avoided that spot on the floor for a month or two. I started 
spraying Febreeze around all the seams where I normally spray poison. Worked 
for years. I think they've finally grown to like Febreeze now...

- Original Message - 
From: Josh Luthman 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ants in Antennas Problem Image Working Now

The only part that they could really bother is the copper port.  Put some 
dielectric grease in there maybe?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Ryan  wrote:

  I apologize for the third email, I am still figuring out posting on the 
Animal Farm list! We are having problems with ants taking up a nest inside of 
our radios, has anyone come across a good solution of sealing the antennas up 
to keep them out? I attached a picture to this message since it was not coming 
up correctly embedded in the email. I know that we can get some ant spray to 
control them that way, but there has to be an easier way of permanently keeping 
them out of the antennas:

  http://imgur.com/1h8Me8g

  If anyone has ideas or solutions that you have tried that works please 
let me know!

  Ryan

  Fourway.net

Re: [AFMUG] Ants in Antennas Problem Image Working Now

put mastic around the cable entry, will be pita to change radios, but youll
be changing radios less often

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> The only part that they could really bother is the copper port.  Put some
> dielectric grease in there maybe?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Ryan  wrote:
>
>> I apologize for the third email, I am still figuring out posting on the
>> Animal Farm list! We are having problems with ants taking up a nest inside
>> of our radios, has anyone come across a good solution of sealing the
>> antennas up to keep them out? I attached a picture to this message since it
>> was not coming up correctly embedded in the email. I know that we can get
>> some ant spray to control them that way, but there has to be an easier way
>> of permanently keeping them out of the antennas:
>>
>>
>>
>> http://imgur.com/1h8Me8g
>>
>>
>>
>> If anyone has ideas or solutions that you have tried that works please
>> let me know!
>>
>>
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>> Fourway.net
>>
>>
>>
>
>


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Re: [AFMUG] Ants in Antennas Problem Image Working Now

Thanks for all of the suggestions, I am going to look them all over and start 
trying them this week! Ants are definitely our biggest problem due to mounting 
antennas on poles & in trees.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Glen Waldrop
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 12:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ants in Antennas Problem Image Working Now

Actually, spray on belt dressing would probably do the trick and take less time 
than grease. Assemble the unit, spray the entrance with belt dressing. It will 
stay there for a long time, stay sticky and the ants generally will avoid it.

- Original Message - 

From: Glen Waldrop   

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 11:27 AM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ants in Antennas Problem Image Working Now

Dielectric grease works, I was going to recommend Vasoline on the entrance, 
around the inside and on the cable right where it enters.

We've got Argentine ants here. We have to go as far as putting automotive 
grease on electrical lines coming in, lines run to lamp posts, network cable, 
coax, etc...

We finally seem to have fought them back, but the little buggers live in Pine 
trees, which we have no shortage of.

I also learned that they don't like Febreeze. It was what I had on hand one 
day, sprayed them so I could wipe them up with a paper towel and get them out 
of the floor. They avoided that spot on the floor for a month or two. I started 
spraying Febreeze around all the seams where I normally spray poison. Worked 
for years. I think they've finally grown to like Febreeze now...

- Original Message - 

From: Josh Luthman   

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 11:18 AM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ants in Antennas Problem Image Working Now

The only part that they could really bother is the copper port.  Put some 
dielectric grease in there maybe?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Ryan  wrote:

I apologize for the third email, I am still figuring out posting on the Animal 
Farm list! We are having problems with ants taking up a nest inside of our 
radios, has anyone come across a good solution of sealing the antennas up to 
keep them out? I attached a picture to this message since it was not coming up 
correctly embedded in the email. I know that we can get some ant spray to 
control them that way, but there has to be an easier way of permanently keeping 
them out of the antennas:

http://imgur.com/1h8Me8g

If anyone has ideas or solutions that you have tried that works please let me 
know!

Ryan

Fourway.net

Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios

2015-06-04 Thread Jaime Solorza

granular poison

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies  wrote:

> Ryan,
>
> I've heard a mothball would work.  The well guys do taht around here
> to keep them out of the well controllers.  We are going to start
> trying in with our outdoor fiber units.  Not sure if it will
> interact with the plastic.
>
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>  Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.MyakkaTech.com
>
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>
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> Thursday, June 4, 2015, 11:51:07 AM, you wrote:
>
> R> We are having problems with ants taking up a nest inside of our
> R> radios, has anyone come across a good solution of sealing the
> R> antennas up to keep them out? This is what we are dealing with:
>
> R> ï¿œ
>
>
>
> R> ï¿œ
>
> R> Ryan
>
> R> Fourway.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LinkPlanner and Licensed Frequencies

2015-06-04 Thread Jaime Solorza

Yep me too, I have a few poignant questions.

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 10:12 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

>   If  you discover you are Jesus, I want to schedule a performance
> review.
>
>  *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 04, 2015 10:07 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LinkPlanner and Licensed Frequencies
>
>  Ive been growing my hair to find out if Im jesus or not. If it turns out
> I am, I will put that on my list after getting a robe and sandals
>
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>>   In theory I can, but just have to strengthen my faith about 5% more
>>
>>  *From:* Josh Luthman 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 04, 2015 9:52 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LinkPlanner and Licensed Frequencies
>>
>>  I wonder if we can move the Rockies...
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Daniel White  wrote:
>>
>>>  That is the beauty of the West.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Actually in many cases 11GHz outperforms 6GHz out here.  Rain fade is
>>> low, so multipath fading is the bigger concern.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Once you hit Central USA (say East of the Rockies) rain fade increases
>>> to the point that is no longer true most of the time.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ***
>>>
>>> Daniel White - Managing Director
>>>
>>> SAF North America LLC
>>>
>>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>>>
>>> daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com
>>>
>>> Skype: danieldwhite
>>> Social: LinkedIn 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ***
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 4, 2015 9:22 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LinkPlanner and Licensed Frequencies
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 29 miles and 4 footers?  Sweet!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
>>> We have a 29 mile shot using 11ghz and 4 foot dishes.  It's currently a
>>> dragonwave but we are switching to SAF integra 2+0 gigabit link this
>>> summer.  Path calcs show four 9's+ uptime.  We are in NW CO.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2 cents
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 4, 2015, Rory McCann  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey guys,
>>>
>>> Running into a strange problem with LinkPlanner. I have a couple of
>>> exisitng 5GHz links I'm looking at replacing with a licensed solution - one
>>> of which is about 27 miles.
>>>
>>> According to LinkPlanner this shot should be no problem (granted not
>>> with more than 3 9s of uptime, which is fine considering I have redundancy
>>> via another path) using 3 foot dishes, but the SAF engineers are telling me
>>> my only option is 6GHz with 6 foot dishes using the same parameters.
>>>
>>> The best the engineers at SAF could promise was about 150Mbps on
>>> Integra, whereas according to LinkPlanner I can get over 800Mbps using an
>>> 820s.
>>>
>>> Is LinkPlanner this far off, or are there some special knobs I need to
>>> turn to get real-world results? Or is Cambium somehow that much superior to
>>> the other products out there?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rory McCann
>>> MKAP Technology Solutions
>>> Web: www.mkap.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>   [image: Avast logo] 
>>>
>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>>> www.avast.com 
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
>   If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LinkPlanner and Licensed Frequencies

2015-06-04 Thread Josh Reynolds

Hahahahahahaha

On Jun 4, 2015 5:00 AM, Rory McCann  wrote:
>
> Hey guys, 
>
> Running into a strange problem with LinkPlanner. I have a couple of 
> exisitng 5GHz links I'm looking at replacing with a licensed solution - 
> one of which is about 27 miles. 
>
> According to LinkPlanner this shot should be no problem (granted not 
> with more than 3 9s of uptime, which is fine considering I have 
> redundancy via another path) using 3 foot dishes, but the SAF engineers 
> are telling me my only option is 6GHz with 6 foot dishes using the same 
> parameters. 
>
> The best the engineers at SAF could promise was about 150Mbps on 
> Integra, whereas according to LinkPlanner I can get over 800Mbps using 
> an 820s. 
>
> Is LinkPlanner this far off, or are there some special knobs I need to 
> turn to get real-world results? Or is Cambium somehow that much superior 
> to the other products out there? 
>
> -- 
> Rory McCann 
> MKAP Technology Solutions 
> Web: www.mkap.net 
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits

2015-06-04 Thread Josh Reynolds

Anyfing u wnnt
On Jun 4, 2015 3:39 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:Given Steve's reputation, I'm not sure what we're talking about re: $46 for 20 holes.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com

From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" To: af@afmug.comSent: Wednesday, June 3, 2015 10:17:31 PMSubject: Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill BitsRotary hammers, fucking beasts.
We were talking about our tapered bits. We have tons with one dull ring. 46 bucks for 20 holes adds up.
On Jun 3, 2015 10:00 PM, "Jason McKemie"  wrote:I must have never used a rotary hammer then, hammer drills seem to work just fine for stone, masonry, etc.On Wednesday, June 3, 2015, Ken Hohhof  wrote:



Rotary hammer very different beast than hammer drill which is only good for 
stuff like tapcons.


 

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 8:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits
 
Yeah, 
never use anything but a hammer drill on stone/concrete/etc.On 
Wednesday, June 3, 2015, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

  What you want for the concrete is a 
  rotary hammer. A little spendy and the bit cost is astronomical, but they will 
  bite through granite like it's nothing in seconds. We use rotary hammers for 
  rohn wall mount kits going into brick, concrete, and stone. Have only tried 
  the corded hitachi's, although dewalt has a cordless one I've been keeping my 
  eye on.http://www.amazon.com/Hitachi-DH40MRY-16-inch-Rotary-Hammer/dp/B000XVINQY/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1433378353&sr=8-4&keywords=hitachi+rotary+hammer 
  is what we've used.http://www.amazon.com/DEWALT-DCH253M2-Mode-Rotary-Hammer/dp/B00DD1UOTU/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1433378421&sr=8-9&keywords=dewalt+rotary+hammer 
  is the one I've had my eye on.Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com
  On 06/03/2015 02:37 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
  
We are trying different brands for 3/32 holes we need for door 
contacts and switches.   Metal is tough then we hit concrete on 
door frame.  Slow speeds and oil helps but we eat them up.  For 
concrete and cinder block walls Hilti drill and bits have no problem.  

Jaime Solorza
On Jun 3, 2015 4:26 PM, "Chuck McCown" <_javascript_:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','chuck@wbmfg.com');> 
wrote:

  
  
  
  You can do it by hand with a bit of practice.
  
  
   
  
  From: Glen Waldrop 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:24 PM
  To: _javascript_:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits
   
  
  My dad has always sharpened his own, so I 
  tend to do the same.In my experience, if used in wood they can be 
  sharpened with little issue. If you drill through metal, buy a new 
  one.
   
  It loses some of the hardness on the edge. It 
  really needs to be tempered again after sharpening.
   
   
  
- Original Message - 
From: Rory Conaway 
To: _javascript_:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:18 
PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill 
Bits
 

We are paying $15-$25 for longer drill bits.  
When they start to get dull, just wondering if anyone has had success 
sharpening them or do you just buy new ones?
 
Rory Conaway • Triad 
Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • 
AZ 85040
602-426-0542
rory@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net
 
“You may be an engineer if your idea of good 
interpersonal communication means getting the decimal point in the right 
place.” – Unknown

Re: [AFMUG] Tall J-mount

2015-06-04 Thread Mathew Howard

I've never seen a J-mount that I would trust to hold an AF24... does anyone
make a tall 2" J-mount?

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 9:27 AM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

> The biggest one is the DS-3000.  But holding an AirFiber24, I doubt it
> unless you have lots of reinforcement and you use some kind of anchor glue
> at the base.  We use them with PowerBeam-400s but unless 4-5 bolts anchor
> really well, we add at least 1 of the braces.
>
> Rory
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield
> Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 6:03 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Tall J-mount
>
> Where is the best place to get tall J-Mounts that can hold an AirFiber 24
> or a full height sector? I don't need them in quantity, just a few for
> now.  I got some 25" ones from Streakwave, but they are too short for a
> full height sector and I don't know how much I trust them to hold an
> AirFiber 24.
>
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
>

Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios

2015-06-04 Thread David


+1
I use stuff like that around the house..


On 06/04/2015 11:59 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

granular poison

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies 
mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:


Ryan,

I've heard a mothball would work.  The well guys do taht around here
to keep them out of the well controllers.  We are going to start
trying in with our outdoor fiber units.  Not sure if it will
interact with the plastic.

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 Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com


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R> We are having problems with ants taking up a nest inside of our
R> radios, has anyone come across a good solution of sealing the
R> antennas up to keep them out? This is what we are dealing with:

R> ï¿œ



R> ï¿œ

R> Ryan

R> Fourway.net






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Re: [AFMUG] Forrest Christian talks Synchronization with you

The PTP450 is just an SM. Does it even support powering the UGPS? I 
don't know, I don't have any PTP450s.


On 6/4/2015 10:55 AM, Matt wrote:

Right now for PTP450 we are using parasitic syncpipe.  Creates more
connections to fail though.  I would really like just the RJ11 plug
from syncpipe to radio.  Maybe he could even down size the pipe
itself.


On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 6:30 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

I asked Forrest about a UGPS-like pipe. If it's going to cost as much as a
UGPS because of the power circuit, then forget it, just buy a UGPS.

I would much rather have a parasitic sync-over-power pipe right now for
those ePMP micro sites and 110PTP backhauls. PoE/ethernet in,
PoE/ethernet/sync out to the radio. On-board GPS and GPS pucks suck.

On 6/3/2015 5:51 PM, Matt wrote:

How about a sync pipe that uses UGPS Power so it only needs to plug
into the timing port?



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Re: [AFMUG] Forrest Christian talks Synchronization with you

PTP450 only supports timing via the timing port. What we've done with 
them is a dedicated SyncPipe Parasitic.


bp


On 6/4/2015 11:37 AM, George Skorup wrote:
The PTP450 is just an SM. Does it even support powering the UGPS? I 
don't know, I don't have any PTP450s.


On 6/4/2015 10:55 AM, Matt wrote:

Right now for PTP450 we are using parasitic syncpipe.  Creates more
connections to fail though.  I would really like just the RJ11 plug
from syncpipe to radio.  Maybe he could even down size the pipe
itself.


On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 6:30 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
I asked Forrest about a UGPS-like pipe. If it's going to cost as 
much as a

UGPS because of the power circuit, then forget it, just buy a UGPS.

I would much rather have a parasitic sync-over-power pipe right now for
those ePMP micro sites and 110PTP backhauls. PoE/ethernet in,
PoE/ethernet/sync out to the radio. On-board GPS and GPS pucks suck.

On 6/3/2015 5:51 PM, Matt wrote:

How about a sync pipe that uses UGPS Power so it only needs to plug
into the timing port?



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Re: [AFMUG] Forrest Christian talks Synchronization with you

I know, but the UGPS is powered from the timing port from a 450 AP. Or 
you can run it on its own dedicated power supply. What I don't know is 
if the current SM hardware's timing port supports UGPS powering. I'm 
remembering no for some reason, which is yet another reason why we said 
screw the PTP450 and put up ePMP instead.


On 6/4/2015 1:46 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
PTP450 only supports timing via the timing port. What we've done with 
them is a dedicated SyncPipe Parasitic.


bp


On 6/4/2015 11:37 AM, George Skorup wrote:
The PTP450 is just an SM. Does it even support powering the UGPS? I 
don't know, I don't have any PTP450s.


On 6/4/2015 10:55 AM, Matt wrote:

Right now for PTP450 we are using parasitic syncpipe.  Creates more
connections to fail though.  I would really like just the RJ11 plug
from syncpipe to radio.  Maybe he could even down size the pipe
itself.


On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 6:30 PM, George Skorup  
wrote:
I asked Forrest about a UGPS-like pipe. If it's going to cost as 
much as a

UGPS because of the power circuit, then forget it, just buy a UGPS.

I would much rather have a parasitic sync-over-power pipe right now 
for

those ePMP micro sites and 110PTP backhauls. PoE/ethernet in,
PoE/ethernet/sync out to the radio. On-board GPS and GPS pucks suck.

On 6/3/2015 5:51 PM, Matt wrote:

How about a sync pipe that uses UGPS Power so it only needs to plug
into the timing port?



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Re: [AFMUG] Forrest Christian talks Synchronization with you

Sorry, I've never used a UGPS, so I am not familiar with the details. 
You should be able to find out by just plugging a UGPS into a vanilla 
SM. I don't seem to recall any power supplied to the timing port?


bp


On 6/4/2015 11:59 AM, George Skorup wrote:
I know, but the UGPS is powered from the timing port from a 450 AP. Or 
you can run it on its own dedicated power supply. What I don't know is 
if the current SM hardware's timing port supports UGPS powering. I'm 
remembering no for some reason, which is yet another reason why we 
said screw the PTP450 and put up ePMP instead.


On 6/4/2015 1:46 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
PTP450 only supports timing via the timing port. What we've done with 
them is a dedicated SyncPipe Parasitic.


bp


On 6/4/2015 11:37 AM, George Skorup wrote:
The PTP450 is just an SM. Does it even support powering the UGPS? I 
don't know, I don't have any PTP450s.


On 6/4/2015 10:55 AM, Matt wrote:

Right now for PTP450 we are using parasitic syncpipe.  Creates more
connections to fail though.  I would really like just the RJ11 plug
from syncpipe to radio.  Maybe he could even down size the pipe
itself.


On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 6:30 PM, George Skorup  
wrote:
I asked Forrest about a UGPS-like pipe. If it's going to cost as 
much as a

UGPS because of the power circuit, then forget it, just buy a UGPS.

I would much rather have a parasitic sync-over-power pipe right 
now for

those ePMP micro sites and 110PTP backhauls. PoE/ethernet in,
PoE/ethernet/sync out to the radio. On-board GPS and GPS pucks suck.

On 6/3/2015 5:51 PM, Matt wrote:

How about a sync pipe that uses UGPS Power so it only needs to plug
into the timing port?


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Forrest
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Re: [AFMUG] Forrest Christian talks Synchronization with you

2015-06-04 Thread Matt

> I know, but the UGPS is powered from the timing port from a 450 AP. Or you
> can run it on its own dedicated power supply. What I don't know is if the
> current SM hardware's timing port supports UGPS powering. I'm remembering no
> for some reason, which is yet another reason why we said screw the PTP450
> and put up ePMP instead.

PTP230's and PTP450's both support UGPS, its right in config to enable
or disable it.


> On 6/4/2015 1:46 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>
>> PTP450 only supports timing via the timing port. What we've done with them
>> is a dedicated SyncPipe Parasitic.
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 6/4/2015 11:37 AM, George Skorup wrote:
>>>
>>> The PTP450 is just an SM. Does it even support powering the UGPS? I don't
>>> know, I don't have any PTP450s.
>>>
>>> On 6/4/2015 10:55 AM, Matt wrote:

 Right now for PTP450 we are using parasitic syncpipe.  Creates more
 connections to fail though.  I would really like just the RJ11 plug
 from syncpipe to radio.  Maybe he could even down size the pipe
 itself.


 On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 6:30 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>
> I asked Forrest about a UGPS-like pipe. If it's going to cost as much
> as a
> UGPS because of the power circuit, then forget it, just buy a UGPS.
>
> I would much rather have a parasitic sync-over-power pipe right now for
> those ePMP micro sites and 110PTP backhauls. PoE/ethernet in,
> PoE/ethernet/sync out to the radio. On-board GPS and GPS pucks suck.
>
> On 6/3/2015 5:51 PM, Matt wrote:
>>
>> How about a sync pipe that uses UGPS Power so it only needs to plug
>> into the timing port?
>>
>>
>>> Get answers to your questions on Synchronization from expert Forrest
>>> Christian. Post your questions and comments now, and Forrest and the
>>> Cambium
>>> team will answer them, or join us live today between 1 – 3 PM CDT
>>> http://bit.ly/1cSs42U
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Join the Conversation
>>>
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>>>
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>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Forrest Christian talks Synchronization with you


OK, I guess if it has UGPS power control in the GUI, then it works. Cool.

On 6/4/2015 2:21 PM, Matt wrote:

PTP230's and PTP450's both support UGPS, its right in config to enable
or disable it.

Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

We had the exact same results. Bare SM worked better than reflector 
through trees. And it actually worked pretty good, got about 24x7Mbps 
linktests. That was until the trees started blowing in the wind, 
linktests were all over the place. Then it got worse, the trees got wet 
and the test SMs we had on the sector both dropped session 10-20 times 
per day and linktests dropped down to 3-5Mbps a lot. The power level 
dropped maybe 3-6dB, but the multipath increased a lot which is what 
hurt the most. The 450 definitely handles multipath better than FSK, but 
obviously nowhere near as well as a platform designed to take advantage 
of it. Maybe 5ms framing would help, but we tore that test sector down 
before it came around.


This is why I keep asking Cambium to make an integrated panel SM for 
3GHz. More gain than a bare SM and not as narrow as a reflector.


We just did a 5.5 mile 3.6 450 SM on a 2' dish today. Can't see the 
tower at all, no trees up close, but it's getting -73 and solid 6X. 
Doing 30Mbps down, 9Mbps up. I'm surprised. But like Ken always says, 
that's just because of the low noise floor.


On 6/4/2015 10:27 AM, Paul McCall wrote:


On the SM side, we did not try connectorized 3.65 450 SMs.

In our past experience with 320s, the SMCs used with a KP Performance 
3.65 feedhorn reflector got less results at times for NLOS shots then 
a standard SM.  It was explained to me that is because it’s not a 
“need more power, burn through trees issue”… it’s a “don’t narrow the 
beam so much than the wimax can’t work around the tree elements” issue.


Our testing exposure was rather limited and we stopped when others on 
the list confirmed they had similar results.


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ben Royer
*Sent:* Thursday, June 04, 2015 11:18 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

Paul,

Thanks for the response.  More specifically I’m interested in the SM 
side of the test, as we too are using the Cambium Antennas at the AP.  
However, at the SM side, I’d recommend a NLOS test using a 
connectorized radio with a higher gain antenna.  We’ve seen some 
initial NLOS tests where 450 out performs the 320.


Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net 

*From:*Paul McCall 

*Sent:*Thursday, June 04, 2015 8:30 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

Ben,

The testing was based on using the standard Cambium antenna, 
respectively, for both platforms.


Paul

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ben Royer
*Sent:* Thursday, June 04, 2015 9:11 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

What antenna are you using in your testing of the 450 vs. 320 NLOS?  
I’m just curious because this is an interesting report, as we have a 
network of around 2,500 320 customers, and we are in the same position 
of looking for that next great thing.


Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net 

*From:*Paul McCall 

*Sent:*Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:40 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

But, if you are using 320 for NLOS solutions, the 450 trade up means 
you’re going to lose customers since the 450 doesn’t do nearly as good 
a job as the 320


Paul

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:37 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

Don’t they have another WiMAX-to-450 tradeup going on?  Kind of a 3650 
MHz cash-for-clunkers program.


*From:*That One Guy /sarcasm 

*Sent:*Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:08 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using

Im stuck with it. We bought an overstock load of APs and SMs. We have 
a dream of Telrad working out to save the day with their firmware 
load. Some creative Telrad AP deployments gradually replacing the 320 
APs, utilizing the 320 CPEs until we migrate the site to LTE with 
telrad CPEs, giving us 320 CPEs to redeploy.


The dream is somebody will write some magic code to sit on an 
intermediary server to communicate with the FCC database thing so we 
can redeploy the 320 APs to small sites.


We had two test sites for the 450. One site landlord hasnt allowed us 
up there to swap equipment, we have to deal with that on the lease 
side and our other 450 test site has only 3 users on it with good 
links so we havent been able to test the 1x magic out.


I would have preferred to more aggressively pursue the 450 and be able 
to sell higher throughput higher dollar connections, to offset the 
potential nlos customers we would lose. something about being able to 
sync w

Re: [AFMUG] Forrest Christian talks Synchronization with you


Yep, there is. At least on the 450 hardware.

On 6/4/2015 2:11 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

I don't seem to recall any power supplied to the timing port?

Re: [AFMUG] Forrest Christian talks Synchronization with you

UGPS is around ~~ $235. Much more expensive than a SyncPipe. Is it 
possible to run a SyncInjector from a UGPS? If you could, then you could 
consolidate GPS timing into one unit. Right now we're using separate 
SyncPipes for PTP450 and PMP450 that are on SyncInjectors (when colocated).


bp


On 6/4/2015 12:25 PM, George Skorup wrote:

OK, I guess if it has UGPS power control in the GUI, then it works. Cool.

On 6/4/2015 2:21 PM, Matt wrote:

PTP230's and PTP450's both support UGPS, its right in config to enable
or disable it.

Re: [AFMUG] Forrest Christian talks Synchronization with you


So I have learned

;-)

bp


On 6/4/2015 12:27 PM, George Skorup wrote:

Yep, there is. At least on the 450 hardware.

On 6/4/2015 2:11 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

I don't seem to recall any power supplied to the timing port?

Re: [AFMUG] Tall J-mount

2015-06-04 Thread Christopher Gray

I get spare 2" J-pipes from the local satellite installer for $5 and
reverse the pipe (drill it out). I'm not sure about the manufacturer, but
these end up reaching about 26" up off a horizontal surface.

-Chris


On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> I've never seen a J-mount that I would trust to hold an AF24... does
> anyone make a tall 2" J-mount?
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 9:27 AM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
>> The biggest one is the DS-3000.  But holding an AirFiber24, I doubt it
>> unless you have lots of reinforcement and you use some kind of anchor glue
>> at the base.  We use them with PowerBeam-400s but unless 4-5 bolts anchor
>> really well, we add at least 1 of the braces.
>>
>> Rory
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield
>> Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 6:03 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Tall J-mount
>>
>> Where is the best place to get tall J-Mounts that can hold an AirFiber 24
>> or a full height sector? I don't need them in quantity, just a few for
>> now.  I got some 25" ones from Streakwave, but they are too short for a
>> full height sector and I don't know how much I trust them to hold an
>> AirFiber 24.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Brett A Mansfield
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Forrest Christian talks Synchronization with you

2015-06-04 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)

Just use a syncpipe deluxe at those sites.   Syncinjector port plus two
timing ports.

Or a syncbox 12 for 12 ports plus the injector.
On Jun 4, 2015 1:32 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

> UGPS is around ~~ $235. Much more expensive than a SyncPipe. Is it
> possible to run a SyncInjector from a UGPS? If you could, then you could
> consolidate GPS timing into one unit. Right now we're using separate
> SyncPipes for PTP450 and PMP450 that are on SyncInjectors (when colocated).
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 6/4/2015 12:25 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>
>> OK, I guess if it has UGPS power control in the GUI, then it works. Cool.
>>
>> On 6/4/2015 2:21 PM, Matt wrote:
>>
>>> PTP230's and PTP450's both support UGPS, its right in config to enable
>>> or disable it.
>>>
>>
>>
>

[AFMUG] ePMP Connectorized w/ IT Elite cPAT24019dual?

2015-06-04 Thread Christopher Gray

Any experiences using the new IT Elite cPAT24019dual 19 dBi panel with ePMP?

Thanks - Chris

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Connectorized w/ IT Elite cPAT24019dual?

Everything 2.4 ePMP and/or ITelite seems to very meh.  The enclosures
aren't bad but I'm getting better signal penetration with 5.1 than 2.4 on
ITelite antennas.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Christopher Gray  wrote:

> Any experiences using the new IT Elite cPAT24019dual 19 dBi panel with
> ePMP?
>
> Thanks - Chris
>
>

[AFMUG] 444APC labeled HV

Does this mean it's a GIGEAPC-HV or one of the 100 meg cards?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios

I’d be worried about OSHA and having MSDS sheets on file.



Mothballs could be the same situation.



Poison in any form seems like an unnecessary risk to your employees and company.



Daniel White

(303) 746-3590



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2015 11:00 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios



granular poison




Jaime Solorza

Wireless Systems Architect

915-861-1390



On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies mailto:m...@mailmt.com> > wrote:

Ryan,

I've heard a mothball would work.  The well guys do taht around here
to keep them out of the well controllers.  We are going to start
trying in with our outdoor fiber units.  Not sure if it will
interact with the plastic.

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R> We are having problems with ants taking up a nest inside of our
R> radios, has anyone come across a good solution of sealing the
R> antennas up to keep them out? This is what we are dealing with:

R> ï¿œ



R> ï¿œ

R> Ryan

R> Fourway.net






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Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios

What if you put a warning label on a tupperware box with mothballs?  Are
you in the clear?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Daniel White  wrote:

> I’d be worried about OSHA and having MSDS sheets on file.
>
>
>
> Mothballs could be the same situation.
>
>
>
> Poison in any form seems like an unnecessary risk to your employees and
> company.
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> (303) 746-3590
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 4, 2015 11:00 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios
>
>
>
> granular poison
>
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> Wireless Systems Architect
>
> 915-861-1390
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies <
> m...@mailmt.com> wrote:
>
> Ryan,
>
> I've heard a mothball would work.  The well guys do taht around here
> to keep them out of the well controllers.  We are going to start
> trying in with our outdoor fiber units.  Not sure if it will
> interact with the plastic.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>  Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.MyakkaTech.com
>
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>
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>
> R> We are having problems with ants taking up a nest inside of our
> R> radios, has anyone come across a good solution of sealing the
> R> antennas up to keep them out? This is what we are dealing with:
>
> R> ï¿œ
>
>
>
> R> ï¿œ
>
> R> Ryan
>
> R> Fourway.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] 444APC labeled HV

2015-06-04 Thread Josh Baird

It's probably just 100meg.  We got sent a bunch of these from Streakwave on
accident once.

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Does this mean it's a GIGEAPC-HV or one of the 100 meg cards?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>

Re: [AFMUG] 444APC labeled HV

I've been ordering the GIGE ones but I'm not sure if they're labeled as
such.  Does anyone have a picture they can confirm works with gig?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:

> It's probably just 100meg.  We got sent a bunch of these from Streakwave
> on accident once.
>
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> Does this mean it's a GIGEAPC-HV or one of the 100 meg cards?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 444APC labeled HV

2015-06-04 Thread Josh Baird

If they have the LED lights on them, they are definitely not GigeAPC.

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 5:38 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> I've been ordering the GIGE ones but I'm not sure if they're labeled as
> such.  Does anyone have a picture they can confirm works with gig?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> It's probably just 100meg.  We got sent a bunch of these from Streakwave
>> on accident once.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Josh Luthman > > wrote:
>>
>>> Does this mean it's a GIGEAPC-HV or one of the 100 meg cards?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios

By no means am I an OSHA or MSDS expert.  More or less just pointing out 
something that could be a concern.



OSHA only applies to the workplace though… so just keep your mothballs at home 
:-D



Daniel White

(303) 746-3590



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2015 3:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios



What if you put a warning label on a tupperware box with mothballs?  Are you in 
the clear?






Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Daniel White mailto:afmu...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I’d be worried about OSHA and having MSDS sheets on file.



Mothballs could be the same situation.



Poison in any form seems like an unnecessary risk to your employees and company.



Daniel White

(303) 746-3590 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2015 11:00 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios



granular poison




Jaime Solorza

Wireless Systems Architect

915-861-1390 



On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies mailto:m...@mailmt.com> > wrote:

Ryan,

I've heard a mothball would work.  The well guys do taht around here
to keep them out of the well controllers.  We are going to start
trying in with our outdoor fiber units.  Not sure if it will
interact with the plastic.

--
Best regards,
 Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
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Re: [AFMUG] 444APC labeled HV

2015-06-04 Thread Sean Heskett

444 is 100mbps only and it's compatible with canopy FSK/450 APs and epmp

On Thursday, June 4, 2015, Josh Luthman  wrote:

> Does this mean it's a GIGEAPC-HV or one of the 100 meg cards?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>

Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios

2015-06-04 Thread Lewis Bergman

I poison my employees on a regular basis. Doesn't everyone? It build their
tolerance.
On Jun 4, 2015 4:10 PM, "Daniel White"  wrote:

> I’d be worried about OSHA and having MSDS sheets on file.
>
>
>
> Mothballs could be the same situation.
>
>
>
> Poison in any form seems like an unnecessary risk to your employees and
> company.
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> (303) 746-3590
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 4, 2015 11:00 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios
>
>
>
> granular poison
>
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> Wireless Systems Architect
>
> 915-861-1390
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies <
> m...@mailmt.com> wrote:
>
> Ryan,
>
> I've heard a mothball would work.  The well guys do taht around here
> to keep them out of the well controllers.  We are going to start
> trying in with our outdoor fiber units.  Not sure if it will
> interact with the plastic.
>
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> R> radios, has anyone come across a good solution of sealing the
> R> antennas up to keep them out? This is what we are dealing with:
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Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios

I did not know mothballs were poisonous.  I guess grandma shouldn’t have let us 
play with them in her closet.

What about urinal cakes, should I tell the employees to stop eating those?

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 4:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios

What if you put a warning label on a tupperware box with mothballs?  Are you in 
the clear?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Daniel White  wrote:

  I’d be worried about OSHA and having MSDS sheets on file.

  Mothballs could be the same situation.

  Poison in any form seems like an unnecessary risk to your employees and 
company.

  Daniel White

  (303) 746-3590

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
  Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2015 11:00 AM
  To: Animal Farm
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios

  granular poison

  Jaime Solorza

  Wireless Systems Architect

  915-861-1390

  On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies  
wrote:

Ryan,

I've heard a mothball would work.  The well guys do taht around here
to keep them out of the well controllers.  We are going to start
trying in with our outdoor fiber units.  Not sure if it will
interact with the plastic.

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R> radios, has anyone come across a good solution of sealing the
R> antennas up to keep them out? This is what we are dealing with:

R> ï¿œ

R> ï¿œ

R> Ryan

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Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mothball#Health_risks



Daniel White

(303) 746-3590



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2015 4:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios



I did not know mothballs were poisonous.  I guess grandma shouldn’t have let us 
play with them in her closet.



What about urinal cakes, should I tell the employees to stop eating those?





From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 4:35 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios



What if you put a warning label on a tupperware box with mothballs?  Are you in 
the clear?





Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Daniel White mailto:afmu...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I’d be worried about OSHA and having MSDS sheets on file.



Mothballs could be the same situation.



Poison in any form seems like an unnecessary risk to your employees and company.



Daniel White

(303) 746-3590 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2015 11:00 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios



granular poison




Jaime Solorza

Wireless Systems Architect

915-861-1390 



On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies mailto:m...@mailmt.com> > wrote:

Ryan,

I've heard a mothball would work.  The well guys do taht around here
to keep them out of the well controllers.  We are going to start
trying in with our outdoor fiber units.  Not sure if it will
interact with the plastic.

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R> radios, has anyone come across a good solution of sealing the
R> antennas up to keep them out? This is what we are dealing with:

R> ï¿œ



R> ï¿œ

R> Ryan

R> Fourway.net






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Re: [AFMUG] 444APC labeled HV

Awesome thanks Sean.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 6:33 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> 444 is 100mbps only and it's compatible with canopy FSK/450 APs and epmp
>
>
> On Thursday, June 4, 2015, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> Does this mean it's a GIGEAPC-HV or one of the 100 meg cards?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios

But it appears urinal cakes are also made from paradichlorobenzene, why do they 
not require a warning?  Because they are in little cages?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urinal_deodorizer_block

From: Daniel White 
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 5:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mothball#Health_risks

Daniel White

(303) 746-3590

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2015 4:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios

I did not know mothballs were poisonous.  I guess grandma shouldn’t have let us 
play with them in her closet.

What about urinal cakes, should I tell the employees to stop eating those?

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 4:35 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios

What if you put a warning label on a tupperware box with mothballs?  Are you in 
the clear?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Daniel White  wrote:

  I’d be worried about OSHA and having MSDS sheets on file.

  Mothballs could be the same situation.

  Poison in any form seems like an unnecessary risk to your employees and 
company.

  Daniel White

  (303) 746-3590

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
  Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2015 11:00 AM
  To: Animal Farm
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios

  granular poison

  Jaime Solorza

  Wireless Systems Architect

  915-861-1390

  On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies  
wrote:

Ryan,

I've heard a mothball would work.  The well guys do taht around here
to keep them out of the well controllers.  We are going to start
trying in with our outdoor fiber units.  Not sure if it will
interact with the plastic.

--
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R> radios, has anyone come across a good solution of sealing the
R> antennas up to keep them out? This is what we are dealing with:

R> ï¿œ

R> ï¿œ

R> Ryan

R> Fourway.net

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[AFMUG] Another Observium Meltdown on Reddit

2015-06-04 Thread Steve

http://www.reddit.com/r/networking/comments/38dvh9/my_experience_with_observium_management/

Looks like Adam Armstrong after burning his bridges with all the WISPS went on 
another irc rage.  He ticked off another person not more than a month later.  
He posted his chat logs to /r/networking in reddit and it made it o the front 
page for 2 straight days.  Went on a tirade  in another display of 
unprofessional behavior continued to inflame the situation again and actually 
got banned from Reddit.  

Jump into LibreNMS.  Its so much better in a creative environment with people 
at the helm so helpful and dedicated its almost unheard of.  I'm so glad all of 
this happened because something so good came from it. Even has already added 5 
different vendors for me alone in the last month.  Working on other wireless 
stuff and major improvement.  The ##Librenms channel had quadrupled with 
supporters and contributors.  

Its just not fun watching someone like this self destruct, start losing all his 
customers and circling the drain like this.

Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios

Absolutely not.

I want it to be effective when I choose to use it...

Uh... I mean, no, never, that's horrible.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Lewis Bergman 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 5:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios

  I poison my employees on a regular basis. Doesn't everyone? It build their 
tolerance.

  On Jun 4, 2015 4:10 PM, "Daniel White"  wrote:

I’d be worried about OSHA and having MSDS sheets on file.

Mothballs could be the same situation.

Poison in any form seems like an unnecessary risk to your employees and 
company.

Daniel White

(303) 746-3590

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2015 11:00 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios

granular poison

Jaime Solorza

Wireless Systems Architect

915-861-1390

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies 
 wrote:

  Ryan,

  I've heard a mothball would work.  The well guys do taht around here
  to keep them out of the well controllers.  We are going to start
  trying in with our outdoor fiber units.  Not sure if it will
  interact with the plastic.

  --
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  R> We are having problems with ants taking up a nest inside of our
  R> radios, has anyone come across a good solution of sealing the
  R> antennas up to keep them out? This is what we are dealing with:

  R> ï¿œ

  R> ï¿œ

  R> Ryan

  R> Fourway.net

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[AFMUG] itelite SEC3.65XP/5D dual band panels. anyone use them?

2015-06-04 Thread Vlad Sedov

Hey folks. Looking at some 3.65/5GHz panels from IT Elite, the 
SEC3.65XP/5D -- xpol 3.65, and standard dual-pol 5GHz.

Does anyone have any experience with this particular model?
Any feedback would be appreciated...

cheers,

Vlad

Re: [AFMUG] Another Observium Meltdown on Reddit

2015-06-04 Thread Lewis Bergman

And yet there seems to be some enjoying watching it and keeping it alive.
On Jun 4, 2015 7:29 PM, "Steve"  wrote:

>
> http://www.reddit.com/r/networking/comments/38dvh9/my_experience_with_observium_management/
>
> Looks like Adam Armstrong after burning his bridges with all the WISPS
> went on another irc rage.  He ticked off another person not more than a
> month later.  He posted his chat logs to /r/networking in reddit and it
> made it o the front page for 2 straight days.  Went on a tirade  in another
> display of unprofessional behavior continued to inflame the situation again
> and actually got banned from Reddit.
>
> Jump into LibreNMS.  Its so much better in a creative environment with
> people at the helm so helpful and dedicated its almost unheard of.  I'm so
> glad all of this happened because something so good came from it. Even has
> already added 5 different vendors for me alone in the last month.  Working
> on other wireless stuff and major improvement.  The ##Librenms channel had
> quadrupled with supporters and contributors.
>
> Its just not fun watching someone like this self destruct, start losing
> all his customers and circling the drain like this.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios


Because uric acid neutralizes the pathogens.

bp


On 6/4/2015 4:00 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
But it appears urinal cakes are also made from paradichlorobenzene, 
why do they not require a warning? Because they are in little cages?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urinal_deodorizer_block
*From:* Daniel White 
*Sent:* Thursday, June 04, 2015 5:52 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mothball#Health_risks

Daniel White

(303) 746-3590

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Thursday, June 4, 2015 4:49 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios

I did not know mothballs were poisonous.  I guess grandma shouldn’t 
have let us play with them in her closet.


What about urinal cakes, should I tell the employees to stop eating those?

*From:*Josh Luthman 

*Sent:*Thursday, June 04, 2015 4:35 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios

What if you put a warning label on a tupperware box with mothballs?  
Are you in the clear?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Daniel White > wrote:


I’d be worried about OSHA and having MSDS sheets on file.

Mothballs could be the same situation.

Poison in any form seems like an unnecessary risk to your
employees and company.

Daniel White

(303) 746-3590 

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Thursday, June 4, 2015 11:00 AM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios

granular poison


Jaime Solorza

Wireless Systems Architect

915-861-1390 

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies
mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:

Ryan,

I've heard a mothball would work.  The well guys do taht
around here
to keep them out of the well controllers.  We are going to start
trying in with our outdoor fiber units. Not sure if it will
interact with the plastic.

--
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R> radios, has anyone come across a good solution of sealing the
R> antennas up to keep them out? This is what we are dealing with:

R> ï¿œ



R> ï¿œ

R> Ryan

R> Fourway.net






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Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios

we got flagged on an insurance audit for not having msds. We didnt know we
had chemicals. The auditor didnt knw what chemicals we had, just that we
needed the msds sheets

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:20 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

>  Because uric acid neutralizes the pathogens.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 6/4/2015 4:00 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
>  But it appears urinal cakes are also made from paradichlorobenzene, why
> do they not require a warning?  Because they are in little cages?
>  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urinal_deodorizer_block
>
>
>  *From:* Daniel White 
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 04, 2015 5:52 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mothball#Health_risks
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> (303) 746-3590
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 4, 2015 4:49 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios
>
>
>
> I did not know mothballs were poisonous.  I guess grandma shouldn’t have
> let us play with them in her closet.
>
>
>
> What about urinal cakes, should I tell the employees to stop eating those?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 04, 2015 4:35 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios
>
>
>
> What if you put a warning label on a tupperware box with mothballs?  Are
> you in the clear?
>
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Daniel White  wrote:
>
>  I’d be worried about OSHA and having MSDS sheets on file.
>
>
>
> Mothballs could be the same situation.
>
>
>
> Poison in any form seems like an unnecessary risk to your employees and
> company.
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> (303) 746-3590
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 4, 2015 11:00 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Ants in Radios
>
>
>
> granular poison
>
>
>   Jaime Solorza
>
> Wireless Systems Architect
>
> 915-861-1390
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies <
> m...@mailmt.com> wrote:
>
> Ryan,
>
> I've heard a mothball would work.  The well guys do taht around here
> to keep them out of the well controllers.  We are going to start
> trying in with our outdoor fiber units.  Not sure if it will
> interact with the plastic.
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.MyakkaTech.com
>
> Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life
> http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL
>
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>
> Thursday, June 4, 2015, 11:51:07 AM, you wrote:
>
> R> We are having problems with ants taking up a nest inside of our
> R> radios, has anyone come across a good solution of sealing the
> R> antennas up to keep them out? This is what we are dealing with:
>
> R> ï¿œ
>
>
>
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>
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>
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Re: [AFMUG] Another Observium Meltdown on Reddit