Re: [AFMUG] Help Identify This Tower

[Jaime Solorza]

Use Z bracing... Much sturdier.
On Jul 10, 2015 5:21 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> Nobody I know would put a rod in a horizontal position like that on a span
> that large. To flexible. My guess would be a local job as someone else
> suggested. Having said that, a pretty good looking home job. If you are
> trying to get a base piece take it down and have a fabricator make one to
> match.
>
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2015, 4:54 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> Was moved to this location in the early 80's, was originally erected in
>> another location.  Could easily be from the 50's or 60's.  From the
>> Farmer that owns it  " My Dad took my 1974 pickup
>> truck and drove to the manufacturer and picked up a new base to put in
>> the concrete.  He was only gone for a couple hours, and I think he went
>> south "  No Markings of any kind on the tower
>> or base.  Base of the tower is 7.5' Across.  Leg diameter at the base is
>> 2.25"   We've looked through Rohn, Trilon and Pirod, but haven't found
>> anything similar. The Legs actually taper down in size within the bolt
>> together sections.  The First section appears to be 50' tall.  The
>> Standoffs you see in the picture are welded to the tower on 1 side, and
>> U Clamped on the other.
>>
>> Nate
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] 450 Radio Calibration

[Roland Houin]

I have 1 450 ap doing this..
seems to work fine ..
happened after an upgrade a while back.
cambium wanted to rma it (out of warranty).
not worth the effort when it's 500' in the air & working fine.
 
roland
 
> I have a radio stating that it is not calibrated. The exact message inRed is "Radio not calibrated". Has anyone seen this?Gilbert <

Re: [AFMUG] Where can I buy the female connector for this?

[Erich Kaiser]

that is typical two position on trangos as well, but with a locking tab.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 8:46 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

>   I was going nuts trying to think where I had seen a similar connector,
> finally realized I was thinking of the power connector on a SyncInjector.
>
>  *From:* Erich Kaiser 
> *Sent:* Friday, July 10, 2015 8:41 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Where can I buy the female connector for this?
>
>  I had my browser on the same page :)  Going for two position 5.08mm
> pitch
>
>
> http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?R=1777989virtualkey6510virtualkey651-1777989
>
> We will see, Cambium really should include this...
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> Office: 630-621-4804
> Cell: 630-777-9291
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 9:52 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> See:   http://www.mouser.com/catalog/catalogusd/648/1827.pdf
>>
>> I'm guessing the terminal on the bottom half of the page, 2 position,
>> figure A will work
>>
>> If it doesn't it will give you valuable information about what you really
>> need (aka bigger pitch, different screw spacing, etc.)
>>
>> If you have an appropriate measuring device, measuring the pin pitch,
>> screw pitch, etc. will give you more confidence that this is the one you
>> want.
>>
>> -forrest
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Erich Kaiser > > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> [image: Inline image 2]
>>>
>>> What type is it?  It is on a PTP820S/Ceragon IP20
>>>
>>>
>>> Erich Kaiser
>>> North Central Tower
>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>> Office: 630-621-4804
>>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>>  
>>   
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Where can I buy the female connector for this?

[George Skorup]

Wow, yeah, I wonder if it's the same, just without the two side screws.

On 7/10/2015 8:46 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I was going nuts trying to think where I had seen a similar connector, 
finally realized I was thinking of the power connector on a SyncInjector.

*From:* Erich Kaiser 
*Sent:* Friday, July 10, 2015 8:41 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Where can I buy the female connector for this?
I had my browser on the same page :)  Going for two position 5.08mm pitch

http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?R=1777989virtualkey6510virtualkey651-1777989
We will see, Cambium really should include this...
Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com 
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291

On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 9:52 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:


See: http://www.mouser.com/catalog/catalogusd/648/1827.pdf
I'm guessing the terminal on the bottom half of the page, 2
position, figure A will work
If it doesn't it will give you valuable information about what you
really need (aka bigger pitch, different screw spacing, etc.)
If you have an appropriate measuring device, measuring the pin
pitch, screw pitch, etc. will give you more confidence that this
is the one you want.
-forrest
On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Erich Kaiser
mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>>
wrote:

Inline image 2
What type is it?  It is on a PTP820S/Ceragon IP20
Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com 
Office: 630-621-4804 
Cell: 630-777-9291 




-- 
*Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com  |
http://www.packetflux.com 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Where can I buy the female connector for this?

[Ken Hohhof]

I was going nuts trying to think where I had seen a similar connector, finally 
realized I was thinking of the power connector on a SyncInjector.

From: Erich Kaiser 
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 8:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Where can I buy the female connector for this?

I had my browser on the same page :)  Going for two position 5.08mm pitch 

http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?R=1777989virtualkey6510virtualkey651-1777989


We will see, Cambium really should include this...


Erich Kaiser 
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291



On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 9:52 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
 wrote:



  See:   http://www.mouser.com/catalog/catalogusd/648/1827.pdf

  I'm guessing the terminal on the bottom half of the page, 2 position, figure 
A will work

  If it doesn't it will give you valuable information about what you really 
need (aka bigger pitch, different screw spacing, etc.)

  If you have an appropriate measuring device, measuring the pin pitch, screw 
pitch, etc. will give you more confidence that this is the one you want.

  -forrest

  On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Erich Kaiser  
wrote:





What type is it?  It is on a PTP820S/Ceragon IP20


Erich Kaiser 
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291





  -- 

Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

   

Re: [AFMUG] Where can I buy the female connector for this?

[Erich Kaiser]

I had my browser on the same page :)  Going for two position 5.08mm pitch

http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?R=1777989virtualkey6510virtualkey651-1777989

We will see, Cambium really should include this...


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 9:52 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

>
>
>  See:   http://www.mouser.com/catalog/catalogusd/648/1827.pdf
>
> I'm guessing the terminal on the bottom half of the page, 2 position,
> figure A will work
>
> If it doesn't it will give you valuable information about what you really
> need (aka bigger pitch, different screw spacing, etc.)
>
> If you have an appropriate measuring device, measuring the pin pitch,
> screw pitch, etc. will give you more confidence that this is the one you
> want.
>
> -forrest
>
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Erich Kaiser 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> [image: Inline image 2]
>>
>> What type is it?  It is on a PTP820S/Ceragon IP20
>>
>>
>> Erich Kaiser
>> North Central Tower
>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>> Office: 630-621-4804
>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: T-Rack Installation

[Chuck McCown]

How fat are you?

-Original Message- 
From: Nate Burke 
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 8:45 AM 
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: T-Rack Installation 

I'm installing a T-Rack for a customer, what is the 'standard' distance 
from the wall it should be?  Will mostly have patch panels and switches, 
but will probably also have 1 or 2 1U servers.  I don't want to put it 
in the middle of the room, but also don't want to put it too close so 
things won't fit.


Nate

Re: [AFMUG] Help Identify This Tower

[Erich Kaiser]

I have seen multiple of these fabricated towers in IL, mainly to the south
of I-80.  Not sure, but they are fairly solid, suggestion, have Brandon
take down the Dipole antenna if not needed anymore or it will be wiggly up
top


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I recognize that tower.
>
> Some 2way towers I think were locally fabricated.  That one maybe by the
> Scary Tower Manufacturing Company.
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Nate Burke
> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 4:54 PM
> To: Animal Farm
> Subject: [AFMUG] Help Identify This Tower
>
> Was moved to this location in the early 80's, was originally erected in
> another location.  Could easily be from the 50's or 60's.  From the
> Farmer that owns it  " My Dad took my 1974 pickup
> truck and drove to the manufacturer and picked up a new base to put in
> the concrete.  He was only gone for a couple hours, and I think he went
> south "  No Markings of any kind on the tower
> or base.  Base of the tower is 7.5' Across.  Leg diameter at the base is
> 2.25"   We've looked through Rohn, Trilon and Pirod, but haven't found
> anything similar. The Legs actually taper down in size within the bolt
> together sections.  The First section appears to be 50' tall.  The
> Standoffs you see in the picture are welded to the tower on 1 side, and
> U Clamped on the other.
>
> Nate
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 450 Radio Calibration

[George Skorup]

Contact Cambium support. They might be able to remote in and fix the 
calibration. We had a couple APs and SMs come uncalibrated from the 
factory when the 450 just got going. Had to RMA them.


On 7/10/2015 6:38 PM, Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. wrote:
I have a radio stating that it is not calibrated. The exact message in 
Red is "Radio not calibrated". Has anyone seen this?


Gilbert

[AFMUG] 6 fiber breakout cable..

[Peter Kranz]

Looking for suggested vendors for 6 fiber breakout cables.. The type that
bundles 2mm-3mm OD fibers together so you can directly splice on connectors
and not require a fiber breakout box.

 

Like this.. simplex cables are 2mm-3mm OD.. with a single fiber in each one.

 



 

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com  
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com  

 

[AFMUG] 450 Radio Calibration

[Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr.]

I have a radio stating that it is not calibrated. The exact message in 
Red is "Radio not calibrated". Has anyone seen this?


Gilbert

Re: [AFMUG] Software 13.4: P8 FSK not recommended

[George Skorup]

So.. I remember why I had this one P8 radio in the WTF pile. It's a 
5700BH20. At some point, a long, long time ago, it decided to turn 
itself into an Advantage SM.


Anyway, I finally got through getting the stupid thing and CNUT to make 
it H/W scheduled. Then I tried to go from 7.3.6 to 13.4. Didn't happen, 
filesystem out of space. Had to go 10.5 > 11.2 > 12.1 then 13.4 worked.


I factory defaulted it. Then put some basic config on it. Set a color 
code, deleted root, set admin account password. Really nothing more than 
that. Reboot, comes up fine.


Now enable NAT and reboot. It's not scanning. The power, sync, session 
and GPS LEDs are all solid. Ethernet LEDs are off and can't ping it.


Default plug it, factory default, boots fine. This time all I did was 
enable NAT and it will not boot again. NAT on P8 be broke.


I'm glad you stumbled on this, Bill. Those few P8 SMs I have on the 
network have NAT enabled, so those would be screwed like yours. Guess I 
can't update that AP. WTF.


On 7/9/2015 6:21 PM, George Skorup wrote:
Well that's lame. I have a couple P8s. I'll pull one out tomorrow if I 
have time and update it and see if I get the same thing.


On 7/9/2015 6:05 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
Actually no. I just made some basic changes. Set color code, turn on 
NAT, remove the admin user, set bandwidth shaping.


It didn't like something. Just not sure what, because once I changed 
it, it was opaque.


bp


On 7/9/2015 4:03 PM, George Skorup wrote:
I assume you're talking about uploading and applying a config file? 
Maybe there's something in it that's incompatible with the P8?


So now we wait for 13.4.1..


ducking :o


On 7/9/2015 11:32 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
What I did with what appeared to be a bricked radio was just insert 
the default plug. The unit then came back to life. Once I was able 
to access the device, I pushed the "Reset to factory defaults" 
button, saved the configuration, pulled the default plug, and 
rebooted. At that point I could still access the unit. I then 
applied the configuration and rebooted. It did not come back; no 
ethernet, no RF. I did re-reset it, and it came back again.


bp


On 7/9/2015 9:04 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
I wasn't the one investigating the P8's that came back.   It's 
possible Matt just started with a default plug with the ones he 
was looking at so it's entirely possible.


Mark

On 7/9/15 11:51 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
I didn't look at the frequency checklist. However, after I apply 
the configuration, the ethernet link goes completely off (as if 
it were turned off). So it's impossible to get any data as to 
what is actually happening inside. No ethernet link, no RF link.


Once it's defaulted, it appears "normal".

I did not try to selectively apply "parts" of the configuration. 
That would be an adventure


bp


On 7/9/2015 8:44 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
It appears the update to 13.4 clears all of the frequencies in a 
P8 radio which makes it not associate. Reselect the frequencies 
and they are fine. Obviously not good for your truck roll schedule.


Mark

On 7/9/15 1:53 AM, George Skorup wrote:
Well thanks for being the guinea pig Bill. I have a sector with 
a couple P8 SMs. Awesome. I haven't started updating anything 
to 13.4 yet though. Sure will be fun getting the P9s on that AP 
to update since P7, P8 and P9 is a one-shot deal.


On 7/8/2015 10:06 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
We did another couple groups of updates to 13.4 last night. On 
one sector we had a couple of very low volume users on P8 FSK. 
Both of them bricked.


Well, not exactly bricked. We should have updated them to 
newer hardware a long time ago, and since they were not heavy 
users, it really was not a priority item.


So we swapped them out today, and brought them back to the 
shop. Turns out you could bring them back to life if you 
default them. Cool I thought. However, as soon as you apply a 
"real" configuration, they revert to brick mode. No ethernet, 
no life. You can re-reset them and bring them back. So I 
defaulted one, and downgraded to 13.1.3, and all is well, or 
as well as a P8 can be.


Not real valuable, but if you have some old P8 FSK still 
running anywhere, I do not recommend you try 13.4 on them.


bp


On 7/2/2015 2:11 PM, Ryan Ray wrote:
Who's gonna be the first guinea pig? Make sure to do a 1000 
unit upgrade and let us know how it goes :P

Re: [AFMUG] Help Identify This Tower

[Lewis Bergman]

Nobody I know would put a rod in a horizontal position like that on a span
that large. To flexible. My guess would be a local job as someone else
suggested. Having said that, a pretty good looking home job. If you are
trying to get a base piece take it down and have a fabricator make one to
match.

On Fri, Jul 10, 2015, 4:54 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> Was moved to this location in the early 80's, was originally erected in
> another location.  Could easily be from the 50's or 60's.  From the
> Farmer that owns it  " My Dad took my 1974 pickup
> truck and drove to the manufacturer and picked up a new base to put in
> the concrete.  He was only gone for a couple hours, and I think he went
> south "  No Markings of any kind on the tower
> or base.  Base of the tower is 7.5' Across.  Leg diameter at the base is
> 2.25"   We've looked through Rohn, Trilon and Pirod, but haven't found
> anything similar. The Legs actually taper down in size within the bolt
> together sections.  The First section appears to be 50' tall.  The
> Standoffs you see in the picture are welded to the tower on 1 side, and
> U Clamped on the other.
>
> Nate
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Realtime Tracking of Lightening Strikes and Windspeeds

[Jason McKemie]

Yeah, I had been looking into it myself a while back. Didn't realize that
they were no longer available.

On Friday, July 10, 2015, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 7/10/15 11:30, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
>> Supposedly there is updated hardware coming out.  Who knows when that
>> will be available though...
>>
>>
>
> Yeah unfortunately I missed out on obtaining the previous version. I'd
> like to get a local lightning detector because that kind of stuff is fun,
> but the commercial ones for permanent installation start at $700.
>
> ~Seth
>

Re: [AFMUG] Help Identify This Tower

[Nate Burke]

That sounds like something for a WISP Themed Haunted House.


On 7/10/2015 5:09 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I recognize that tower.

Some 2way towers I think were locally fabricated.  That one maybe by 
the Scary Tower Manufacturing Company.



-Original Message- From: Nate Burke
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 4:54 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] Help Identify This Tower

Was moved to this location in the early 80's, was originally erected in
another location.  Could easily be from the 50's or 60's.  From the
Farmer that owns it  " My Dad took my 1974 pickup
truck and drove to the manufacturer and picked up a new base to put in
the concrete.  He was only gone for a couple hours, and I think he went
south "  No Markings of any kind on the tower
or base.  Base of the tower is 7.5' Across.  Leg diameter at the base is
2.25"   We've looked through Rohn, Trilon and Pirod, but haven't found
anything similar. The Legs actually taper down in size within the bolt
together sections.  The First section appears to be 50' tall.  The
Standoffs you see in the picture are welded to the tower on 1 side, and
U Clamped on the other.

Nate

Re: [AFMUG] Help Identify This Tower

[Ken Hohhof]

I recognize that tower.

Some 2way towers I think were locally fabricated.  That one maybe by the 
Scary Tower Manufacturing Company.



-Original Message- 
From: Nate Burke

Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 4:54 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] Help Identify This Tower

Was moved to this location in the early 80's, was originally erected in
another location.  Could easily be from the 50's or 60's.  From the
Farmer that owns it  " My Dad took my 1974 pickup
truck and drove to the manufacturer and picked up a new base to put in
the concrete.  He was only gone for a couple hours, and I think he went
south "  No Markings of any kind on the tower
or base.  Base of the tower is 7.5' Across.  Leg diameter at the base is
2.25"   We've looked through Rohn, Trilon and Pirod, but haven't found
anything similar. The Legs actually taper down in size within the bolt
together sections.  The First section appears to be 50' tall.  The
Standoffs you see in the picture are welded to the tower on 1 side, and
U Clamped on the other.

Nate

Re: [AFMUG] Help Identify This Tower

[George Skorup]

That's odd. My guess is if the legs are solid rod, it's probably Pirod.

On 7/10/2015 4:53 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
Was moved to this location in the early 80's, was originally erected 
in another location.  Could easily be from the 50's or 60's.  From the 
Farmer that owns it  " My Dad took my 1974 pickup 
truck and drove to the manufacturer and picked up a new base to put in 
the concrete.  He was only gone for a couple hours, and I think he 
went south "  No Markings of any kind on 
the tower or base.  Base of the tower is 7.5' Across.  Leg diameter at 
the base is 2.25"   We've looked through Rohn, Trilon and Pirod, but 
haven't found anything similar. The Legs actually taper down in size 
within the bolt together sections.  The First section appears to be 
50' tall.  The Standoffs you see in the picture are welded to the 
tower on 1 side, and U Clamped on the other.


Nate

Re: [AFMUG] UniFi Cameras for UV treatment

[Ben Moore]

Looking good! ;)

On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 2:53 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Installed two cameras to record samples from UV treatment with one Zoom
> and one regular camera with NVR.Tech support assisted in upgrading
> firmware on NVR to 3.1.1.  Great clarity and simple setup.   Thanks Ben and
> Stuart
>

Re: [AFMUG] Netflix app on iPad keeps asking to reconnect

[David]

This being an Apple connection I would look into the preamble setting in 
the wireless interface tab to Long only instead of both.



On 07/10/2015 08:06 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
This particular router has Routerboard FW 3.18 so I think it was 
upgraded to 6.19 not downgraded.  Also, I don’t see any wireless 
related changes in the changelog from 6.19 to 6.29.
I’m thinking of changing the group key update interval from 5m to 1h 
which I think is the max.  I’m not sure if the group key exchange 
timeouts are due to the client being in sleep mode, or a problem I 
should be worrying about.  The fact that the Mikrotik sends deauth to 
disconnect the client which then immediately connects doesn’t seem 
like a good think.  Without the deauth and disconnect, I would not 
expect unicast traffic to be affected.  I’m thinking the iPad knows 
the WiFi disconnected and tells the app which then pops up the 
annoying error which requires the user to tap OK and then Play.
If I change the timeout to 1h and the frequency of the problem stays 
the same, I think that will eliminate this as the possible cause.
Reading the logs can be confusing, it’s amazing how many iPhones and 
iPads one family can have.  Hard to sort out the problems from normal 
events.

*From:* Mike Hammett 
*Sent:* Friday, July 10, 2015 7:20 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Netflix app on iPad keeps asking to reconnect
I don't believe you're ever supposed to downgrade a device's shipped 
software, due to unknown chipset\driver changes.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


*From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, July 9, 2015 9:42:19 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Netflix app on iPad keeps asking to reconnect

Actually no, I have everything on 6.19 because it was stable for me and I
don't like facing the choice of either upgrading everything in the field
every month or having every router on a different version.  I've even 
been

downgrading the latest shipment of 951G's that came in with 6.23.

Usually switching to Mikrotik from store bought routers solves a lot of
iPad/iPhone problems for us.

He said this is the latest iPad, would that be the iPad Air 2?  I 
remember

the iPad Air being new 2 Christmases ago.


-Original Message-
From: Justin Wilson - MTIN
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 9:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netflix app on iPad keeps asking to reconnect

Apple devices are picky on their wifi stuff when it comes to mikrotik.  I
assume you have upgraded to the latest version of RouterOS.  This is 
one of
the few times running the latest helps.  I was running 6.21 on one of 
my APs
in the house and anytime I roamed to it things became very slow.  OS 
upgrade

helped.

Is this an iPad, Ipad2, iPad Air?

Justin

---
Justin Wilson 
http://www.mtin.net  Managed Services � xISP Solutions � Data Centers
http://www.thebrotherswisp.com Podcast about xISP topics
http://www.midwest-ix.com Peering � Transit � Internet Exchange

> On Jul 9, 2015, at 6:17 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> I just talked to the customer again and the Netflix error he is 
getting is

> 1016.
>
> If he clicks OK and Play, it starts playing again. Of course the 
Netflix

> troubleshooting tips say things like power cycle your router and modem.
>
> The only thing that occurs to me is we put in a Mikrotik router with 
2.4
> GHz WiFi, previously he was using a Frontier DSL modem, not sure if 
that

> was dual band WiFi or not.  But if I Google Netflix error 1016, some of
> the suggestions involve turning off Bluetooth on the iPad.  Other
> suggestions have to do with location services. None of those sound
> logical to me, but who knows with iDevices and Netflix apps.
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 4:08 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Netflix app on iPad keeps asking to reconnect
>
> I have a new customer who says our Internet is faster than the DSL they
> had
> before, but he is having a problem with Netflix on his (WiFi only) iPad
> that
> didn't occur on the DSL.
>
> He says it will stop and say it is no longer connected, does he want to
> reconnect?  He clicks yes, and it works again for awhile.
>
> I cannot find anything regarding this with Google. Can anyone enlighten
> me?
>
>
>

[AFMUG] Equipment for sale

[Andrea M Robel]

I have equipment for sale.  Never used.  Please contact me privately.   

 


AirRouter

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NanoStation Mimo

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5GHz Rocket Radio GPS

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Re: [AFMUG] Realtime Tracking of Lightening Strikes and Windspeeds

[Seth Mattinen]

On 7/10/15 11:30, Jason McKemie wrote:

Supposedly there is updated hardware coming out.  Who knows when that
will be available though...




Yeah unfortunately I missed out on obtaining the previous version. I'd 
like to get a local lightning detector because that kind of stuff is 
fun, but the commercial ones for permanent installation start at $700.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Realtime Tracking of Lightening Strikes and Windspeeds

[Jason McKemie]

Supposedly there is updated hardware coming out.  Who knows when that will
be available though...

On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 7:10 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 7/9/15 13:53, Sam Kirsch wrote:
>
>> http://www.blitzortung.org - Tracks lightening strikes in real time
>> using a network of crowd-sourced lightening detection nodes.
>>
>
>
> I wish their hardware would be available again.
>
> ~Seth
>

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon DSL for Resale?

[Mike Hammett]

Where in MA? Offlist if you prefer. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Christopher Gray"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 1:17:51 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon DSL for Resale? 


Located in MA 






On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Where are you at? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



From: "Christopher Gray" < cg...@graytechsoftware.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 1:25:10 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Verizon DSL for Resale? 


Is there a Verizon DSL product that can be used for ISP bandwidth? 


I'm using fiber for my main service, but I do not have a second provider. 
Verizon DSL is the only other option for service nearby. I'm thinking about 
getting a DSL service at a few sites for failover if it can be done. 


Thanks, Chris 

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon DSL for Resale?

[Christopher Gray]

Located in MA


On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Where are you at?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"Christopher Gray" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, July 8, 2015 1:25:10 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Verizon DSL for Resale?
>
> Is there a Verizon DSL product that can be used for ISP bandwidth?
>
> I'm using fiber for my main service, but I do not have a second provider.
> Verizon DSL is the only other option for service nearby. I'm thinking about
> getting a DSL service at a few sites for failover if it can be done.
>
> Thanks, Chris
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon DSL for Resale?

[Mike Hammett]

Where are you at? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Christopher Gray"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 1:25:10 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Verizon DSL for Resale? 


Is there a Verizon DSL product that can be used for ISP bandwidth? 


I'm using fiber for my main service, but I do not have a second provider. 
Verizon DSL is the only other option for service nearby. I'm thinking about 
getting a DSL service at a few sites for failover if it can be done. 


Thanks, Chris 

Re: [AFMUG] another way to reduce bandwdith

[Josh Luthman]

Pages always feel faster for sure.  Adblock is great, even if they are
double dipping :/

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jul 10, 2015 12:47 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

>
> http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/e-marketing/adblock-plus-adblocking-network-traffic-172245
>
>
>
> This is an ad but it’s an interesting idea
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <602-426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> *“Nothing can bring you peace but yourself. Nothing can bring you peace
> but the triumph of principles.” – Ralph Waldo Emerson*
>
>
>

[AFMUG] another way to reduce bandwdith

[Rory Conaway]

http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/e-marketing/adblock-plus-adblocking-network-traffic-172245

This is an ad but it's an interesting idea

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"Nothing can bring you peace but yourself. Nothing can bring you peace but the 
triumph of principles." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

[AFMUG] New wireless hacking tool

[Rory Conaway]

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2015/07/09/no-one-is-safe-300-gadget-steals-encryption-keys-out-air-and-its-nearly/?intcmp=obnetwork

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"Nothing can bring you peace but yourself. Nothing can bring you peace but the 
triumph of principles." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

[AFMUG] FS:Cambium Stuff

[Daniel Gerlach]

100 x 5.4 ghz pmp 100 7mbit 500$
2 x5.4 Ghz PMP 430 AP new in Box both for 800 $

Re: [AFMUG] [FOR SALE] Mimosa B5c

[Andy Trimmell]

Different timing than the rest just like all others and we're going to go with 
a different solution for what we have. We bought it and some other things came 
to fruition shortly after for a fraction of the price.

 

 

Andy Trimmell

Systems Engineer

Precision Data Solutions, LLC

Mooresville, IN 46158

317-831-3000 ext 211

www.pdsconnect.me

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 9:21 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [FOR SALE] Mimosa B5c

 

What's the reason for not deploying?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 



From: "Andy Trimmell" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 8:19:51 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] [FOR SALE] Mimosa B5c

I have a full link I never deployed of the connectorized Mimosa B5c. I put them 
on the bench but never went outside. $1500 with shipping. No antennas.

 

Give me a call or hit me offlist.

 

Andy Trimmell

Systems Engineer

Precision Data Solutions, LLC

Mooresville, IN 46158

317-831-3000 ext 211

www.pdsconnect.me

 

 

[AFMUG] OT: T-Rack Installation

[Nate Burke]

I'm installing a T-Rack for a customer, what is the 'standard' distance 
from the wall it should be?  Will mostly have patch panels and switches, 
but will probably also have 1 or 2 1U servers.  I don't want to put it 
in the middle of the room, but also don't want to put it too close so 
things won't fit.


Nate

Re: [AFMUG] Denial of service mitigation

[Simon Westlake]

Andreas,

The way I always used to do this was through BGP blackholing, our 
upstream provider provided a community we could use to say 'null route 
this IP.' It was generally pretty easy to find out who the target was by 
using the Procera to look at who had tons of traffic directed to them, 
then we'd blackhole that /32 for a while.


It was pretty manual, but also pretty simple and let us mitigate DDoS 
within a couple of minutes.


On 7/9/2015 10:22 AM, Andreas Wiatowski wrote:


From what I investigated… you move your BGP AS to them…they 
scrub…secure tunnel back to your network….. going to call… for the fun 
of it all…just to see how expensive the service is.


Cheers,

__

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Silo Wireless Inc.

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*Sent:* July 9, 2015 12:28 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Denial of service mitigation

How's that going to work? Route all of your traffic to them first by 
VPN? I think that's just for websites...?


On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Seth Mattinen > wrote:


On 7/8/15 7:48 PM, Andreas Wiatowski wrote:

Wondering if anyone has a magic answer to DDOS mitigation
beyond “buy
more bandwidth”?



Other than having excess bandwidth to absorb it or null routing
the target IP upstream, there's DDoS scrubbing services like Prolexic.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] FS: Directional Drill Package

[Chris Fabien]

Yes, we bought a JT2020. We started getting into some jobs too big for the
820. We do have a second 820 we are keeping for drops etc. Sometimes the
smaller machine can fit in a tight spot the bigger ones cant,  and doesn't
tear up grass nearly as much as a big drill.
On Jul 10, 2015 10:23 AM, "Matt"  wrote:

> Did you upgrade to something else?
>
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 8:30 AM, Chris Fabien  wrote:
> > We're selling one of our drills because we've upgraded.
> >
> > Ditch Witch JT820 Directional Drill
> > Ditch Witch 14,500lb GVW trailer
> > Ditch Witch PF22 300gal mud system
> > Digitrak Mark III locator and yellow sonde
> > Full rack of drill pipe (30 sticks)
> > Entire pallet of tooling, backreamers, etc.
> >
> > Drill is in good working order. We've been using it almost every day this
> > spring. Hours unknown. We've been able to drill about 250ft max in one
> bore
> > and have pulled 700ft length of two 1.25 innerduct with this drill. It's
> > really a nice little package and light enough to pull with a pickup.
> >
> > Recently has had over $3k in new parts this spring including new carriage
> > slide and bearings, chain sprocket bearings, rear wrench collar and
> > cylinder, rebuilt mud pump and new cooling fan on trailer, two new 70ft
> mud
> > hoses, several other things I can't recall.
> >
> > Here are some videos of the drill in operation:
> > http://youtu.be/wGKuek0q4bQ
> > http://youtu.be/x1E9KUn9Lk8
> > http://youtu.be/TCiXXX1_8Ek
> >
> > Asking $18,000 obo for the package. May sell pieces individually.
> Willing to
> > provide 1 day of training to buyer. Located in Michigan. I can send
> high-res
> > photos for interested buyer.
> >
> > Chris Fabien
> > LakeNet LLC
>

Re: [AFMUG] FS: Directional Drill Package

[Matt]

Did you upgrade to something else?

On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 8:30 AM, Chris Fabien  wrote:
> We're selling one of our drills because we've upgraded.
>
> Ditch Witch JT820 Directional Drill
> Ditch Witch 14,500lb GVW trailer
> Ditch Witch PF22 300gal mud system
> Digitrak Mark III locator and yellow sonde
> Full rack of drill pipe (30 sticks)
> Entire pallet of tooling, backreamers, etc.
>
> Drill is in good working order. We've been using it almost every day this
> spring. Hours unknown. We've been able to drill about 250ft max in one bore
> and have pulled 700ft length of two 1.25 innerduct with this drill. It's
> really a nice little package and light enough to pull with a pickup.
>
> Recently has had over $3k in new parts this spring including new carriage
> slide and bearings, chain sprocket bearings, rear wrench collar and
> cylinder, rebuilt mud pump and new cooling fan on trailer, two new 70ft mud
> hoses, several other things I can't recall.
>
> Here are some videos of the drill in operation:
> http://youtu.be/wGKuek0q4bQ
> http://youtu.be/x1E9KUn9Lk8
> http://youtu.be/TCiXXX1_8Ek
>
> Asking $18,000 obo for the package. May sell pieces individually. Willing to
> provide 1 day of training to buyer. Located in Michigan. I can send high-res
> photos for interested buyer.
>
> Chris Fabien
> LakeNet LLC

[AFMUG] C3VoIP Introduction webinar

[Ray Savich]

The replay of the C3VoIP webinar is at http://bit.ly/1J8yzY9 with no 
registration. Share your questions and field experiences and questions on the 
same thread.

Ray

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Re: [AFMUG] Netflix app on iPad keeps asking to reconnect

[Ken Hohhof]

Let’s not get sidetracked with a discussion of downgrading, I don’t think 
that’s relevant here.  I do understand what you’re saying about the changelog – 
Mikrotik may have changed/fixed something from 6.19 to 6.29 silently without 
noting it in the changelog.

I was kind of hoping someone knew a trick to get the Netflix app to just keep 
playing rather than popping up an error message.  Or had seen this problem 
before and knew how to fix it.

The group key exchange timeout may be a red herring.  I’m not sure if Mikrotik 
is doing a good thing by kicking the client off when the group key exchange 
fails after a key rotation.  I guess it prevents a situation where the client 
can’t talk to other clients on the same LAN because multicast/broadcast traffic 
isn’t getting through.  But maybe it would be less intrusive to just wait for 
the next key rotation to restore that functionality rather than forcing a 
disconnect.  Also I’m not sure why they won’t let you set the key rotation 
interval longer than 1 hour or turn off rotation entirely, probably for 
security reasons.


From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 8:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netflix app on iPad keeps asking to reconnect

The don't downgrade applies to ROS version and firmware. There may not be an 
issue with a given product and two versions, but it's a good habit to get into.

Mikrotik's changelog is like cheating on your spouse. Everyone sees you 
behaving differently now, but there's no official paperwork showing it.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com





From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 8:06:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netflix app on iPad keeps asking to reconnect


This particular router has Routerboard FW 3.18 so I think it was upgraded to 
6.19 not downgraded.  Also, I don’t see any wireless related changes in the 
changelog from 6.19 to 6.29.

I’m thinking of changing the group key update interval from 5m to 1h which I 
think is the max.  I’m not sure if the group key exchange timeouts are due to 
the client being in sleep mode, or a problem I should be worrying about.  The 
fact that the Mikrotik sends deauth to disconnect the client which then 
immediately connects doesn’t seem like a good think.  Without the deauth and 
disconnect, I would not expect unicast traffic to be affected.  I’m thinking 
the iPad knows the WiFi disconnected and tells the app which then pops up the 
annoying error which requires the user to tap OK and then Play.

If I change the timeout to 1h and the frequency of the problem stays the same, 
I think that will eliminate this as the possible cause.

Reading the logs can be confusing, it’s amazing how many iPhones and iPads one 
family can have.  Hard to sort out the problems from normal events.


From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 7:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netflix app on iPad keeps asking to reconnect

I don't believe you're ever supposed to downgrade a device's shipped software, 
due to unknown chipset\driver changes.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com





From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 9:42:19 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netflix app on iPad keeps asking to reconnect

Actually no, I have everything on 6.19 because it was stable for me and I 
don't like facing the choice of either upgrading everything in the field 
every month or having every router on a different version.  I've even been 
downgrading the latest shipment of 951G's that came in with 6.23.

Usually switching to Mikrotik from store bought routers solves a lot of 
iPad/iPhone problems for us.

He said this is the latest iPad, would that be the iPad Air 2?  I remember 
the iPad Air being new 2 Christmases ago.


-Original Message- 
From: Justin Wilson - MTIN
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 9:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netflix app on iPad keeps asking to reconnect

Apple devices are picky on their wifi stuff when it comes to mikrotik.  I 
assume you have upgraded to the latest version of RouterOS.  This is one of 
the few times running the latest helps.  I was running 6.21 on one of my APs 
in the house and anytime I roamed to it things became very slow.  OS upgrade 
helped.

Is this an iPad, Ipad2, iPad Air?

Justin

---
Justin Wilson 
http://www.mtin.net  Managed Services � xISP Solutions � Data Centers
http://www.thebrotherswisp.com Podcast about xISP topics
http://www.midwest-ix.com Peering � Transit � Internet Exchange

> On Jul 9, 2015, at 6:17 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> I just talked to the customer again and the Netflix error he is getting is 
> 1016.
>
> If he clicks OK and Play, it starts playing again.  Of course the Netflix 
> troubleshooting t

[AFMUG] FS: Directional Drill Package

[Chris Fabien]

We're selling one of our drills because we've upgraded.

Ditch Witch JT820 Directional Drill
Ditch Witch 14,500lb GVW trailer
Ditch Witch PF22 300gal mud system
Digitrak Mark III locator and yellow sonde
Full rack of drill pipe (30 sticks)
Entire pallet of tooling, backreamers, etc.

Drill is in good working order. We've been using it almost every day this
spring. Hours unknown. We've been able to drill about 250ft max in one bore
and have pulled 700ft length of two 1.25 innerduct with this drill. It's
really a nice little package and light enough to pull with a pickup.

Recently has had over $3k in new parts this spring including new carriage
slide and bearings, chain sprocket bearings, rear wrench collar and
cylinder, rebuilt mud pump and new cooling fan on trailer, two new 70ft mud
hoses, several other things I can't recall.

Here are some videos of the drill in operation:
http://youtu.be/wGKuek0q4bQ
http://youtu.be/x1E9KUn9Lk8
http://youtu.be/TCiXXX1_8Ek

Asking $18,000 obo for the package. May sell pieces individually. Willing
to provide 1 day of training to buyer. Located in Michigan. I can send
high-res photos for interested buyer.

Chris Fabien
LakeNet LLC

Re: [AFMUG] [FOR SALE] Mimosa B5c

[Mike Hammett]

What's the reason for not deploying? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Andy Trimmell"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 8:19:51 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] [FOR SALE] Mimosa B5c 



I have a full link I never deployed of the connectorized Mimosa B5c. I put them 
on the bench but never went outside. $1500 with shipping. No antennas. 

Give me a call or hit me offlist. 

Andy Trimmell 
Systems Engineer 
Precision Data Solutions, LLC 
Mooresville, IN 46158 
317-831-3000 ext 211 
www.pdsconnect.me 

[AFMUG] [FOR SALE] Mimosa B5c

[Andy Trimmell]

I have a full link I never deployed of the connectorized Mimosa B5c. I
put them on the bench but never went outside. $1500 with shipping. No
antennas.

 

Give me a call or hit me offlist.

 

Andy Trimmell

Systems Engineer

Precision Data Solutions, LLC

Mooresville, IN 46158

317-831-3000 ext 211

www.pdsconnect.me

 

Re: [AFMUG] Netflix app on iPad keeps asking to reconnect

[Mike Hammett]

The don't downgrade applies to ROS version and firmware. There may not be an 
issue with a given product and two versions, but it's a good habit to get into. 

Mikrotik's changelog is like cheating on your spouse. Everyone sees you 
behaving differently now, but there's no official paperwork showing it. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 8:06:13 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netflix app on iPad keeps asking to reconnect 




This particular router has Routerboard FW 3.18 so I think it was upgraded to 
6.19 not downgraded. Also, I don’t see any wireless related changes in the 
changelog from 6.19 to 6.29. 

I’m thinking of changing the group key update interval from 5m to 1h which I 
think is the max. I’m not sure if the group key exchange timeouts are due to 
the client being in sleep mode, or a problem I should be worrying about. The 
fact that the Mikrotik sends deauth to disconnect the client which then 
immediately connects doesn’t seem like a good think. Without the deauth and 
disconnect, I would not expect unicast traffic to be affected. I’m thinking the 
iPad knows the WiFi disconnected and tells the app which then pops up the 
annoying error which requires the user to tap OK and then Play. 

If I change the timeout to 1h and the frequency of the problem stays the same, 
I think that will eliminate this as the possible cause. 

Reading the logs can be confusing, it’s amazing how many iPhones and iPads one 
family can have. Hard to sort out the problems from normal events. 





From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 7:20 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netflix app on iPad keeps asking to reconnect 


I don't believe you're ever supposed to downgrade a device's shipped software, 
due to unknown chipset\driver changes. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 9:42:19 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netflix app on iPad keeps asking to reconnect 

Actually no, I have everything on 6.19 because it was stable for me and I 
don't like facing the choice of either upgrading everything in the field 
every month or having every router on a different version. I've even been 
downgrading the latest shipment of 951G's that came in with 6.23. 

Usually switching to Mikrotik from store bought routers solves a lot of 
iPad/iPhone problems for us. 

He said this is the latest iPad, would that be the iPad Air 2? I remember 
the iPad Air being new 2 Christmases ago. 


-Original Message- 
From: Justin Wilson - MTIN 
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 9:20 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netflix app on iPad keeps asking to reconnect 

Apple devices are picky on their wifi stuff when it comes to mikrotik. I 
assume you have upgraded to the latest version of RouterOS. This is one of 
the few times running the latest helps. I was running 6.21 on one of my APs 
in the house and anytime I roamed to it things became very slow. OS upgrade 
helped. 

Is this an iPad, Ipad2, iPad Air? 

Justin 

--- 
Justin Wilson  
http://www.mtin.net Managed Services � xISP Solutions � Data Centers 
http://www.thebrotherswisp.com Podcast about xISP topics 
http://www.midwest-ix.com Peering � Transit � Internet Exchange 

> On Jul 9, 2015, at 6:17 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote: 
> 
> I just talked to the customer again and the Netflix error he is getting is 
> 1016. 
> 
> If he clicks OK and Play, it starts playing again. Of course the Netflix 
> troubleshooting tips say things like power cycle your router and modem. 
> 
> The only thing that occurs to me is we put in a Mikrotik router with 2.4 
> GHz WiFi, previously he was using a Frontier DSL modem, not sure if that 
> was dual band WiFi or not. But if I Google Netflix error 1016, some of 
> the suggestions involve turning off Bluetooth on the iPad. Other 
> suggestions have to do with location services. None of those sound 
> logical to me, but who knows with iDevices and Netflix apps. 
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof 
> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 4:08 PM 
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Netflix app on iPad keeps asking to reconnect 
> 
> I have a new customer who says our Internet is faster than the DSL they 
> had 
> before, but he is having a problem with Netflix on his (WiFi only) iPad 
> that 
> didn't occur on the DSL. 
> 
> He says it will stop and say it is no longer connected, does he want to 
> reconnect? He clicks yes, and it works again for awhile. 
> 
> I cannot find anything regarding this with Google. Can anyone enlighten 
> me? 
> 
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Netflix app on iPad keeps asking to reconnect

[Ken Hohhof]

This particular router has Routerboard FW 3.18 so I think it was upgraded to 
6.19 not downgraded.  Also, I don’t see any wireless related changes in the 
changelog from 6.19 to 6.29.

I’m thinking of changing the group key update interval from 5m to 1h which I 
think is the max.  I’m not sure if the group key exchange timeouts are due to 
the client being in sleep mode, or a problem I should be worrying about.  The 
fact that the Mikrotik sends deauth to disconnect the client which then 
immediately connects doesn’t seem like a good think.  Without the deauth and 
disconnect, I would not expect unicast traffic to be affected.  I’m thinking 
the iPad knows the WiFi disconnected and tells the app which then pops up the 
annoying error which requires the user to tap OK and then Play.

If I change the timeout to 1h and the frequency of the problem stays the same, 
I think that will eliminate this as the possible cause.

Reading the logs can be confusing, it’s amazing how many iPhones and iPads one 
family can have.  Hard to sort out the problems from normal events.


From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 7:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netflix app on iPad keeps asking to reconnect

I don't believe you're ever supposed to downgrade a device's shipped software, 
due to unknown chipset\driver changes.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com





From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 9:42:19 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netflix app on iPad keeps asking to reconnect

Actually no, I have everything on 6.19 because it was stable for me and I 
don't like facing the choice of either upgrading everything in the field 
every month or having every router on a different version.  I've even been 
downgrading the latest shipment of 951G's that came in with 6.23.

Usually switching to Mikrotik from store bought routers solves a lot of 
iPad/iPhone problems for us.

He said this is the latest iPad, would that be the iPad Air 2?  I remember 
the iPad Air being new 2 Christmases ago.


-Original Message- 
From: Justin Wilson - MTIN
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 9:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netflix app on iPad keeps asking to reconnect

Apple devices are picky on their wifi stuff when it comes to mikrotik.  I 
assume you have upgraded to the latest version of RouterOS.  This is one of 
the few times running the latest helps.  I was running 6.21 on one of my APs 
in the house and anytime I roamed to it things became very slow.  OS upgrade 
helped.

Is this an iPad, Ipad2, iPad Air?

Justin

---
Justin Wilson 
http://www.mtin.net  Managed Services � xISP Solutions � Data Centers
http://www.thebrotherswisp.com Podcast about xISP topics
http://www.midwest-ix.com Peering � Transit � Internet Exchange

> On Jul 9, 2015, at 6:17 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> I just talked to the customer again and the Netflix error he is getting is 
> 1016.
>
> If he clicks OK and Play, it starts playing again.  Of course the Netflix 
> troubleshooting tips say things like power cycle your router and modem.
>
> The only thing that occurs to me is we put in a Mikrotik router with 2.4 
> GHz WiFi, previously he was using a Frontier DSL modem, not sure if that 
> was dual band WiFi or not.  But if I Google Netflix error 1016, some of 
> the suggestions involve turning off Bluetooth on the iPad.  Other 
> suggestions have to do with location services.  None of those sound 
> logical to me, but who knows with iDevices and Netflix apps.
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 4:08 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Netflix app on iPad keeps asking to reconnect
>
> I have a new customer who says our Internet is faster than the DSL they 
> had
> before, but he is having a problem with Netflix on his (WiFi only) iPad 
> that
> didn't occur on the DSL.
>
> He says it will stop and say it is no longer connected, does he want to
> reconnect?  He clicks yes, and it works again for awhile.
>
> I cannot find anything regarding this with Google.  Can anyone enlighten 
> me?
>
>
>

[AFMUG] FS: 430 APs & SMs

[Gino Villarini]

For Sale:

Got Several 430 APs in both 5.8 and 5.4. Includes Sector

$500 each OBO

Over 20 Sms in 5.4 and 5.8

$100 each OBO

email me offlist to g...@aeronetpr.com if interested

Re: [AFMUG] FS: 20 x PTP 500 upgrade keys 25mbit to 105 mbit (WB3585)

[Daniel Gerlach]

2 x5.4 Ghz PMP 430 AP new in Box both for 1000 $

2015-07-10 7:01 GMT+02:00 Daniel Gerlach :
> Crazy Friday
>
> 3500$ for all
>
>
> Daniel

[AFMUG] Equipment for Sale

[Yent, Timothy M]

 I have the following items I am trying to sell.  Need to get them out of 
the basement.   Make an offer.  No reasonable offer refused.
  
  Motorola/Cambium  Used
  
 2.4 6dB  Stingers   21
 2.4 SM's 2400SM   19
 2450APP10 Connectorized  2
 2.4 Test Adapter  1
  
 Ubiquiti
  
 Bullet M2 70
 Nanobridge M2/Dishes and poe's 110
  
 Toughswitch TS-5-POE1  New
 Bullet M5  1  Used
  
 Thank you
  
  
  Tim

  
  

Re: [AFMUG] Best SNMP UPS for the money load

[Josh Luthman]

:P

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jul 9, 2015 11:44 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:

> Ok, Just for you Josh,
>
> I will correct my original post
>
> corrected first sentence should read
>
> "FYI, all current Routerboard products, including the CRS, have the
> ability to be powered by two power sources.
> one via the Power port, and the other via passive POE on Ether 1.  (You
> can confirm this feature by checking the specs sheet on the  particular
> model of Routerboard product from their website)"
>
>
>
> :)
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, July 9, 2015 11:38:27 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Best SNMP UPS for the money load
>
> Hey never know if someone's reading this and tries the trick on a 532 ;)
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Jul 9, 2015 11:31 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:
>
>> Yes Josh,  In the beginning of time things were different, and then
>> things evolved from there...
>> .. as they say .. it was then and this is now
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, July 9, 2015 10:21:30 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Best SNMP UPS for the money load
>>
>> This was specifically NOT the case on rb100s, probably 500s.  I'm not
>> sure when it started but probably rb400 days and on.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Paul,
>>>
>>> FYI, all Routerboard products, including the CRS, have the ability to be
>>> powered by two power sources.
>>> one via the Power port, and the other via passive POE on Ether 1.
>>>
>>> Routerboards will use the Higher Voltage as primary power, and the lower
>>> voltage  as secondary power.
>>> The CRS is only rated for 21W of max power use..
>>>
>>> I would use pretty much any small battery backup, connect an 18v passive
>>> poe injector to power the CRS via Ether1 as the secondary power source.
>>>
>>> There are a number of examples of scripts in Mikrotik Wiki, to monitor
>>> the voltage, and send an email alert based on any change.
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Paul McCall" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, July 9, 2015 12:51:54 PM
>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Best SNMP UPS for the money load
>>>
>>>
>>> We have a need for some inexpensive SNMP manageable UPS.  All we have at
>>> each one is a Mikrotik CRS226-24C-2S+RM with 2 SFPs installed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The locations are such that the potential for an AC outage of an hour or
>>> more is likely to be a couple times per month.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So, would like to get some decent runtime – and need the SNMP to know if
>>> I need to roll a truck, call the landlord(s) etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am googling but thought there might be some input from the crowd J
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul McCall, Pres.
>>>
>>> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>>>
>>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>>
>>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>>
>>> 772-564-6800 office
>>>
>>> 772-473-0352 cell
>>>
>>> www.pdmnet.com
>>>
>>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Netflix app on iPad keeps asking to reconnect

[Mike Hammett]

I don't believe you're ever supposed to downgrade a device's shipped software, 
due to unknown chipset\driver changes. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 9:42:19 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netflix app on iPad keeps asking to reconnect 

Actually no, I have everything on 6.19 because it was stable for me and I 
don't like facing the choice of either upgrading everything in the field 
every month or having every router on a different version. I've even been 
downgrading the latest shipment of 951G's that came in with 6.23. 

Usually switching to Mikrotik from store bought routers solves a lot of 
iPad/iPhone problems for us. 

He said this is the latest iPad, would that be the iPad Air 2? I remember 
the iPad Air being new 2 Christmases ago. 


-Original Message- 
From: Justin Wilson - MTIN 
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 9:20 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netflix app on iPad keeps asking to reconnect 

Apple devices are picky on their wifi stuff when it comes to mikrotik. I 
assume you have upgraded to the latest version of RouterOS. This is one of 
the few times running the latest helps. I was running 6.21 on one of my APs 
in the house and anytime I roamed to it things became very slow. OS upgrade 
helped. 

Is this an iPad, Ipad2, iPad Air? 

Justin 

--- 
Justin Wilson  
http://www.mtin.net Managed Services � xISP Solutions � Data Centers 
http://www.thebrotherswisp.com Podcast about xISP topics 
http://www.midwest-ix.com Peering � Transit � Internet Exchange 

> On Jul 9, 2015, at 6:17 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote: 
> 
> I just talked to the customer again and the Netflix error he is getting is 
> 1016. 
> 
> If he clicks OK and Play, it starts playing again. Of course the Netflix 
> troubleshooting tips say things like power cycle your router and modem. 
> 
> The only thing that occurs to me is we put in a Mikrotik router with 2.4 
> GHz WiFi, previously he was using a Frontier DSL modem, not sure if that 
> was dual band WiFi or not. But if I Google Netflix error 1016, some of 
> the suggestions involve turning off Bluetooth on the iPad. Other 
> suggestions have to do with location services. None of those sound 
> logical to me, but who knows with iDevices and Netflix apps. 
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof 
> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 4:08 PM 
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Netflix app on iPad keeps asking to reconnect 
> 
> I have a new customer who says our Internet is faster than the DSL they 
> had 
> before, but he is having a problem with Netflix on his (WiFi only) iPad 
> that 
> didn't occur on the DSL. 
> 
> He says it will stop and say it is no longer connected, does he want to 
> reconnect? He clicks yes, and it works again for awhile. 
> 
> I cannot find anything regarding this with Google. Can anyone enlighten 
> me? 
> 
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Denial of service mitigation

[Daniel White]

I can’t provide a recommendation here… but I saw these boxes just the other day.

 

http://www.fortinet.com/products/fortiddos/ddos-mitigation-appliances.html

 

Thank you,

 

Daniel White

  afmu...@gmail.com

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

Skype: danieldwhite
Social:   LinkedIn:  
 Twitter

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 4:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Denial of service mitigation

 

Possibly .. I only talked with a few of them … and with Prolexic in particular 
was before Akamai bought them.

 

The biggest show stoppers for me was that they could only handle 10 gig attacks 
at that time…

 

Also something to remember/share – you need something really solid in place 
still to detect the attack and signal your “provider” even with a solution like 
Prolexic.   I’ve only ever found one solution that works extremely well for 
this – Arbor Peakflow… the box isn’t cheap, the annual maintenance is brutally 
expensive.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 10:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Denial of service mitigation

 

It probably differs based on the company.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 

  _  

From: "Paul Stewart" mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> >
To: af@afmug.com  
Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 8:05:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Denial of service mitigation

When I last looked into it… you definitely didn’t move your AS to them – you 
provided them LOA’s to announce your IP space via their transit providers.   
You have to also automate route removal on your side to withdraw the /24 (or 
whatever block you decide) from your upstream announcements when DDOS occurs to 
ensure the traffic hits their scrubbing center…. Not ideal in my opinion….

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Andreas Wiatowski
Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 11:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Denial of service mitigation

 

>From what I investigated… you move your BGP AS to them…they scrub…secure 
>tunnel back to your network….. going to call… for the fun of it all…just to 
>see how expensive the service is.

 

Cheers,

__

Andreas Wiatowski | CEO

Silo Wireless Inc.

Email  andr...@silowireless.com  

19 Sage Court

Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)

Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free 
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any of its attachments, is prohibited.  If you have received this electronic 
message in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message 
and all copies. 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: July 9, 2015 12:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Denial of service mitigation

 

How's that going to work? Route all of your traffic to them first by VPN? I 
think that's just for websites...?

 

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Seth Mattinen mailto:se...@rollernet.us> > wrote:

On 7/8/15 7:48 PM, Andreas Wiatowski wrote:

Wondering if anyone has a magic answer to DDOS mitigation beyond “buy
more bandwidth”?



Other than having excess bandwidth to absorb it or null routing the target IP 
upstream, there's DDoS scrubbing services like Prolexic.

~Seth

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone heard of GTT

[Mike Hammett]

http://www.telecomramblings.com/2015/07/thursday-bytes-gtt-telepacific-vxchnge-netrality-faction/
 

100G ports to customers still isn't common. It happens, but isn't common. It's 
mostly for internal connections. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Paul Stewart"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 5:26:55 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone heard of GTT 



Actually to be specific, GTT is a “Tier1” provider since they acquired TiNet. 
So usually a “blend of several networks” refers to a Tier2 provider .. GTT has 
* many * direct peers of significant size J 

Long time customer of the various companies that came part of the GTT 
“umbrella” – overall pretty happy although I’ve heard second hand about lots of 
“reorganization” problems .. haven’t seen much of it first hand though. 

100 Gig very common now in most areas.. maybe there were the first to deploy in 
Saudi or something… 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson - MTIN 
Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 9:16 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone heard of GTT 

We use them in Chicago. They provide a BGP blend of several networks. They are 
an international provider. One of their direct peers is China Telecom. I saw a 
press release they are doing 100 Gig in Saudi Arabia. If you want to know about 
our experiences with them (pretty good for the most part) hit me offlist. 




Justin 








--- 

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http://www.mtin.net Managed Services – xISP Solutions – Data Centers 
http://www.thebrotherswisp.com Podcast about xISP topics 
http://www.midwest-ix.com Peering – Transit – Internet Exchange 





On Jul 8, 2015, at 2:07 PM, Paul Stewart < p...@paulstewart.org > wrote: 




As in GTT – IP Transit provider? 





From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway 
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 1:47 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Anyone heard of GTT 



I was told they are pulling out of Tucson. 



Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO 

4226 S. 37 th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040 

602-426-0542 

r...@triadwireless.net 

www.triadwireless.net 



“Nothing can bring you peace but yourself. Nothing can bring you peace but the 
triumph of principles.” – Ralph Waldo Emerson 

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone heard of GTT

[Paul Stewart]

Actually to be specific, GTT is a “Tier1” provider since they acquired TiNet.  
So usually a “blend of several networks” refers to a Tier2 provider .. GTT has 
*many* direct peers of significant size :)

 

Long time customer of the various companies that came part of the GTT 
“umbrella” – overall pretty happy although I’ve heard second hand about lots of 
“reorganization” problems .. haven’t seen much of it first hand though.

 

100 Gig very common now in most areas.. maybe there were the first to deploy in 
Saudi or something…

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson - MTIN
Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 9:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone heard of GTT

 

We use them in Chicago.  They provide a BGP blend of several networks. They are 
an international provider.  One of their direct peers is China Telecom.  I saw 
a press release they are doing 100 Gig in Saudi Arabia.  If you want to know 
about our experiences with them (pretty good for the most part) hit me offlist.

 

Justin

 

---

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http://www.mtin.net 

   Managed Services – xISP Solutions – Data Centers
http://www.thebrotherswisp.com 

  Podcast about xISP topics
http://www.midwest-ix.com 

  Peering – Transit – Internet Exchange 

 

On Jul 8, 2015, at 2:07 PM, Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > wrote:

 

As in GTT – IP Transit provider?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 1:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: [AFMUG] Anyone heard of GTT

 

I was told they are pulling out of Tucson.

 

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040

602-426-0542

r...@triadwireless.net  

www.triadwireless.net 

 

 

“Nothing can bring you peace but yourself. Nothing can bring you peace but the 
triumph of principles.” – Ralph Waldo Emerson

 

 

  

 

Re: [AFMUG] Denial of service mitigation

[Paul Stewart]

Possibly .. I only talked with a few of them … and with Prolexic in particular 
was before Akamai bought them.

 

The biggest show stoppers for me was that they could only handle 10 gig attacks 
at that time…

 

Also something to remember/share – you need something really solid in place 
still to detect the attack and signal your “provider” even with a solution like 
Prolexic.   I’ve only ever found one solution that works extremely well for 
this – Arbor Peakflow… the box isn’t cheap, the annual maintenance is brutally 
expensive.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 10:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Denial of service mitigation

 

It probably differs based on the company.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 

  _  

From: "Paul Stewart" mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> >
To: af@afmug.com  
Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 8:05:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Denial of service mitigation

When I last looked into it… you definitely didn’t move your AS to them – you 
provided them LOA’s to announce your IP space via their transit providers.   
You have to also automate route removal on your side to withdraw the /24 (or 
whatever block you decide) from your upstream announcements when DDOS occurs to 
ensure the traffic hits their scrubbing center…. Not ideal in my opinion….

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Andreas Wiatowski
Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 11:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Denial of service mitigation

 

>From what I investigated… you move your BGP AS to them…they scrub…secure 
>tunnel back to your network….. going to call… for the fun of it all…just to 
>see how expensive the service is.

 

Cheers,

__

Andreas Wiatowski | CEO

Silo Wireless Inc.

Email  andr...@silowireless.com  

19 Sage Court

Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)

Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free 
+1.866.727.4138
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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: July 9, 2015 12:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Denial of service mitigation

 

How's that going to work? Route all of your traffic to them first by VPN? I 
think that's just for websites...?

 

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Seth Mattinen mailto:se...@rollernet.us> > wrote:

On 7/8/15 7:48 PM, Andreas Wiatowski wrote:

Wondering if anyone has a magic answer to DDOS mitigation beyond “buy
more bandwidth”?



Other than having excess bandwidth to absorb it or null routing the target IP 
upstream, there's DDoS scrubbing services like Prolexic.

~Seth