[AFMUG] Today on ISP Radio

[Dennis Burgess]

Today on ISP Radio.com we will be discussing Form 477 and TowerCoverage.com.  
The live show starts at 11am CST.

Thanks,

[DennisBurgessSignature]
www.linktechs.net - 314-735-0270 x103 - 
dmburg...@linktechs.net

Re: [AFMUG] weatherproof enclosure

[Dennis Burgess]

We use nothing but these anymore.  These are maybe bigger than you asked, but 
most of the time we drop in a two or three rackmount units, plus some power or 
something on the backplate.

http://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=506=0

Also, all of our new shinny towers in the area require stainless steel, nothing 
that I can rust can be used on-site.  :( Shippiing is basically the same on 4 
vs 1 though.  Very light. 

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – www.linktechs.net

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 6:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] weatherproof enclosure

what are you guys using for weatherproof enclosure? I am looking for one that 
can host an small miktroik router and 4-6 poes with cable what do you guys say 
to use?

Re: [AFMUG] 5G to the home

[Josh Reynolds]

I know AT is banking on this for non uverse areas.
On Feb 10, 2016 2:45 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

>
> http://www.pcworld.com/article/3031008/5g-might-be-your-next-home-broadband-service.html?#tk.rss_all
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <602-426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> “The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of
> comfort or convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge or
> controversy” – Martin Luther King
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Odd situation

[Glen Waldrop]

Rural customer. Just about the only neighbor that could have gotten on their 
WIFI just died in their early 90s.

No idea.

I think it is just a 100% misdiagnosis by non-IT guys. I’m trying to get the 
info myself.

>From what I’ve been able to put together it sounds like someone has their 
>login and password to their email accounts.

Still need all of the info.

I guess that 90+ year old could have been taking in side money as a spammer, 
but...


From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 10:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Odd situation

dish probably connected some smart tv/roku/wifi extender in an unsecured 
fashion to their network and never told the customer about it, and it has since 
been hijacked and is relaying spam

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 9:38 PM, Glen Waldrop  wrote:

  First and foremost my office is a computer service, so bugged computers come 
through here 24/7. It is my job.

  The whole point of that was to monitor what it was doing.

  Digging in to the IP’s it was communicating with, the secure connection was 
to Microsoft. Windows 8 and 10 have to call home to big brother constantly. Not 
a fan.

  Looks like yet another “the sky is falling, fix it, it is pwned beyond 
belief” was sent to my office with pretty much nothing wrong with it. I went 
through it multiple times, all I found was the Inbox toolbar. Watched it on 
torch for 5 hours, nothing but Microsoft and the SNMP traffic, no emails, nada.

  The SNMP queries coming from it still puzzle me, though it is likely the 
laptop is trying to monitor his home security system or something.

  Long story short, the laptop was sent to me because supposedly they’re 
sending 17k spam a day from their IP. Problem is they’re on my Internet and the 
IP in question belongs to Dish network, which they do have as a backup, but 
wasn’t even connected at the time.

  Looks like a whole lot of misdiagnosis by non-IT guys.



  From: Eric Kuhnke 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 4:37 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Odd situation

  only the second most preposterous part of the movie, after the part where 
javier bardem escapes and detonates the floor of a london tube tunnel at 
precisely the right time, causing the train to chase bond...


  Q is supposed to be a genius level intellect and network security/blackhat, 
yet he plugs the device into their secure network?


  nevermind all the fancy eye candy GUI hacking crap which is required because 
it's hollywood...


  On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

Didn't this happen in Skyfall?

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

  +1

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Feb 9, 2016 5:29 PM, "Eric Kuhnke"  wrote:

you brought a known-infected laptop into your office and plugged it 
into your LAN?  uhhh... okay.

http://www.dban.org/


the port 443 connection is probably command and control for some 
variety of rootkit/APT.





On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Glen Waldrop  
wrote:

  I’ve got a customer with a bugged laptop. Not biggie, sending spam.

  I haven’t quite tracked that down yet, looks like it is logging into 
a remote server on 443, nothing obvious.

  What I’ve noticed that brought me to bring this to the list is that 
it is currently 192.168.0.50 on my office network, probing 192.168.1.4 through 
6 on SNMP (doesn’t exist on my network, only on my sandbox that this laptop 
can’t see at all, nothing has been on my sandbox in weeks), also pinging my 
edge, though not my local edge, my network edge on it’s internal IP of 
10.0.11.1.

  The customer’s IP address is on the 10.0.22.0/24 subnet, two hops to 
10.0.11.0/24. At my office it is two hops from 192.168.0.0/24 to 10.0.11.1.

  If it was some form of a hack you’d figured they’d go by my public 
IP, though I suppose they’re looking for the possibility of not being secured 
on the inside.

  Just throwing this out there, looked interesting and weird to me.









-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] Details on deploying the PMP 450i with other PMP equipment

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

It appears that the "Register Once then Download" isn't really
register once.  I registered a few weeks ago, but now I must register
again to access the 450i 900 stuff.  No big deal except I get

{"code":"MethodNotAllowedError","message":"GET is not allowed"}

after I hit submit.  Are you out there cambium...

  

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Myakka Technologies, Inc.
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Re: [AFMUG] 5G to the home

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

a monopole on every block is a basic human right

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> I know AT is banking on this for non uverse areas.
> On Feb 10, 2016 2:45 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>
>>
>> http://www.pcworld.com/article/3031008/5g-might-be-your-next-home-broadband-service.html?#tk.rss_all
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>>
>> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>>
>> *602-426-0542 <602-426-0542>*
>>
>> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>>
>> *www.triadwireless.net *
>>
>>
>>
>> “The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of
>> comfort or convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge or
>> controversy” – Martin Luther King
>>
>>
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Odd situation

[David]

Sounds like a typical compromised email account with a trojan running 
the whole thing.

Secure email account
then disinfect machine with lysol and should be good LOL


On 02/10/2016 10:31 AM, Glen Waldrop wrote:
Rural customer. Just about the only neighbor that could have gotten on 
their WIFI just died in their early 90s.

No idea.

I think it is just a 100% misdiagnosis by non-IT guys. I’m trying to 
get the info myself.
From what I’ve been able to put together it sounds like someone has 
their login and password to their email accounts.

Still need all of the info.
I guess that 90+ year old could have been taking in side money as a 
spammer, but...

*From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 09, 2016 10:01 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Odd situation
dish probably connected some smart tv/roku/wifi extender in an 
unsecured fashion to their network and never told the customer about 
it, and it has since been hijacked and is relaying spam
On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 9:38 PM, Glen Waldrop > wrote:


First and foremost my office is a computer service, so bugged
computers come through here 24/7. It is my job.

The whole point of that was to monitor what it was doing.

Digging in to the IP’s it was communicating with, the secure
connection was to Microsoft. Windows 8 and 10 have to call home to
big brother constantly. Not a fan.
Looks like yet another “the sky is falling, fix it, it is pwned
beyond belief” was sent to my office with pretty much nothing
wrong with it. I went through it multiple times, all I found was
the Inbox toolbar. Watched it on torch for 5 hours, nothing but
Microsoft and the SNMP traffic, no emails, nada.
The SNMP queries coming from it still puzzle me, though it is
likely the laptop is trying to monitor his home security system or
something.
Long story short, the laptop was sent to me because supposedly
they’re sending 17k spam a day from their IP. Problem is they’re
on my Internet and the IP in question belongs to Dish network,
which they do have as a backup, but wasn’t even connected at the time.

Looks like a whole lot of misdiagnosis by non-IT guys.
*From:* Eric Kuhnke 
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 09, 2016 4:37 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Odd situation
only the second most preposterous part of the movie, after the
part where javier bardem escapes and detonates the floor of a
london tube tunnel at precisely the right time, causing the train
to chase bond...

Q is supposed to be a genius level intellect and network
security/blackhat, yet he plugs the device into their secure network?

nevermind all the fancy eye candy GUI hacking crap which is
required because it's hollywood...
On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Cameron Crum > wrote:

Didn't this happen in Skyfall?
On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Josh Luthman
> wrote:

+1

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Feb 9, 2016 5:29 PM, "Eric Kuhnke"
> wrote:

you brought a known-infected laptop into your office
and plugged it into your LAN? uhhh... okay.

http://www.dban.org/

the port 443 connection is probably command and
control for some variety of rootkit/APT.


On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Glen Waldrop
> wrote:

I’ve got a customer with a bugged laptop. Not
biggie, sending spam.

I haven’t quite tracked that down yet, looks like
it is logging into a remote server on 443, nothing
obvious.
What I’ve noticed that brought me to bring this to
the list is that it is currently 192.168.0.50 on
my office network, probing 192.168.1.4 through 6
on SNMP (doesn’t exist on my network, only on my
sandbox that this laptop can’t see at all, nothing
has been on my sandbox in weeks), also pinging my
edge, though not my local edge, my network edge on
it’s internal IP of 10.0.11.1.

The customer’s IP address is on the 10.0.22.0/24
 subnet, two hops to
 

Re: [AFMUG] weatherproof enclosure

[Jason McKemie]

These look like bison profab enclosures... With a markup.

On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, Dennis Burgess 
wrote:

> We use nothing but these anymore.  These are maybe bigger than you asked,
> but most of the time we drop in a two or three rackmount units, plus some
> power or something on the backplate.
>
>
> http://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=506=0
>
> Also, all of our new shinny towers in the area require stainless steel,
> nothing that I can rust can be used on-site.  :( Shippiing is basically the
> same on 4 vs 1 though.  Very light.
>
> Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
> den...@linktechs.net  – 314-735-0270 x103 –
> www.linktechs.net
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Tim
> Reichhart
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 6:24 AM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: [AFMUG] weatherproof enclosure
>
> what are you guys using for weatherproof enclosure? I am looking for one
> that can host an small miktroik router and 4-6 poes with cable what do you
> guys say to use?
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Odd situation

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

i have my money on the hijacked device, maybe the pc was infected, and
infected the device, and it has since migrated to their satellite
connection. Is his satellite connection still active (maybe not being used,
but service active to the home)?

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 12:35 PM, David  wrote:

> Thats why the account should be secured first. Then worry about backlash.
> Once the account is shutdown then the outgoing spam will stop. Use log to
> track all denied addresses and dump them into a dns blackhole.
>
>
> On 02/10/2016 12:21 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> “From their account” and “from their IP” are usually separate things.
> Probably need to determine if someone actually determined it was from their
> IP, or just assumed that.
>
> It used to be common to plant a spambot on a compromised computer, but so
> many ISPs block outbound traffic to port 25 that this method is much less
> common these days.  The more common method now is to get hold of someone’s
> email credentials and use those to relay spam through the email host’s mail
> relay, often from a botnet, but not from the compromised customer’s
> computer or IP address.  Once you have their credentials, you can relay
> spam from any IP address through the legitimate MX server which trusts
> those credentials, at least until the account gets suspended.  So maybe the
> computer is infected with malware and part of a botnet, but likely it would
> be sending spam on port 587 using SMTP AUTH and a list of stolen usernames
> and passwords.
>
> All the time we get customers who assume their computer is infected
> because their email credentials are being used to send spam, they don’t
> understand once someone has their credentials the spam can come from
> anywhere.
>
>
> *From:* David 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 10, 2016 10:52 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Odd situation
>
> Sounds like a typical compromised email account with a trojan running the
> whole thing.
> Secure email account
> then disinfect machine with lysol and should be good LOL
>
>
> On 02/10/2016 10:31 AM, Glen Waldrop wrote:
>
> Rural customer. Just about the only neighbor that could have gotten on
> their WIFI just died in their early 90s.
>
> No idea.
>
> I think it is just a 100% misdiagnosis by non-IT guys. I’m trying to get
> the info myself.
>
> From what I’ve been able to put together it sounds like someone has their
> login and password to their email accounts.
>
> Still need all of the info.
>
> I guess that 90+ year old could have been taking in side money as a
> spammer, but...
>
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 09, 2016 10:01 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Odd situation
>
> dish probably connected some smart tv/roku/wifi extender in an unsecured
> fashion to their network and never told the customer about it, and it has
> since been hijacked and is relaying spam
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 9:38 PM, Glen Waldrop 
> wrote:
>
>> First and foremost my office is a computer service, so bugged computers
>> come through here 24/7. It is my job.
>>
>> The whole point of that was to monitor what it was doing.
>>
>> Digging in to the IP’s it was communicating with, the secure connection
>> was to Microsoft. Windows 8 and 10 have to call home to big brother
>> constantly. Not a fan.
>>
>> Looks like yet another “the sky is falling, fix it, it is pwned beyond
>> belief” was sent to my office with pretty much nothing wrong with it. I
>> went through it multiple times, all I found was the Inbox toolbar. Watched
>> it on torch for 5 hours, nothing but Microsoft and the SNMP traffic, no
>> emails, nada.
>>
>> The SNMP queries coming from it still puzzle me, though it is likely the
>> laptop is trying to monitor his home security system or something.
>>
>> Long story short, the laptop was sent to me because supposedly they’re
>> sending 17k spam a day from their IP. Problem is they’re on my Internet and
>> the IP in question belongs to Dish network, which they do have as a backup,
>> but wasn’t even connected at the time.
>>
>> Looks like a whole lot of misdiagnosis by non-IT guys.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Eric Kuhnke 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 09, 2016 4:37 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Odd situation
>>
>> only the second most preposterous part of the movie, after the part where
>> javier bardem escapes and detonates the floor of a london tube tunnel at
>> precisely the right time, causing the train to chase bond...
>>
>> Q is supposed to be a genius level intellect and network
>> security/blackhat, yet he plugs the device into their secure network?
>>
>> nevermind all the fancy eye candy GUI hacking crap which is required
>> because it's hollywood...
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>>
>>> Didn't this happen in Skyfall?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 

Re: [AFMUG] Odd situation

[David]

Thats why the account should be secured first. Then worry about backlash.
Once the account is shutdown then the outgoing spam will stop. Use log to
track all denied addresses and dump them into a dns blackhole.


On 02/10/2016 12:21 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
“From their account” and “from their IP” are usually separate things.  
Probably need to determine if someone actually determined it was from 
their IP, or just assumed that.
It used to be common to plant a spambot on a compromised computer, but 
so many ISPs block outbound traffic to port 25 that this method is 
much less common these days.  The more common method now is to get 
hold of someone’s email credentials and use those to relay spam 
through the email host’s mail relay, often from a botnet, but not from 
the compromised customer’s computer or IP address.  Once you have 
their credentials, you can relay spam from any IP address through the 
legitimate MX server which trusts those credentials, at least until 
the account gets suspended.  So maybe the computer is infected with 
malware and part of a botnet, but likely it would be sending spam on 
port 587 using SMTP AUTH and a list of stolen usernames and passwords.
All the time we get customers who assume their computer is infected 
because their email credentials are being used to send spam, they 
don’t understand once someone has their credentials the spam can come 
from anywhere.

*From:* David 
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 10, 2016 10:52 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Odd situation
Sounds like a typical compromised email account with a trojan running 
the whole thing.

Secure email account
then disinfect machine with lysol and should be good LOL


On 02/10/2016 10:31 AM, Glen Waldrop wrote:
Rural customer. Just about the only neighbor that could have gotten 
on their WIFI just died in their early 90s.

No idea.

I think it is just a 100% misdiagnosis by non-IT guys. I’m trying to 
get the info myself.
From what I’ve been able to put together it sounds like someone has 
their login and password to their email accounts.

Still need all of the info.
I guess that 90+ year old could have been taking in side money as a 
spammer, but...

*From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 09, 2016 10:01 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Odd situation
dish probably connected some smart tv/roku/wifi extender in an 
unsecured fashion to their network and never told the customer about 
it, and it has since been hijacked and is relaying spam
On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 9:38 PM, Glen Waldrop > wrote:


First and foremost my office is a computer service, so bugged
computers come through here 24/7. It is my job.

The whole point of that was to monitor what it was doing.

Digging in to the IP’s it was communicating with, the secure
connection was to Microsoft. Windows 8 and 10 have to call home
to big brother constantly. Not a fan.
Looks like yet another “the sky is falling, fix it, it is pwned
beyond belief” was sent to my office with pretty much nothing
wrong with it. I went through it multiple times, all I found was
the Inbox toolbar. Watched it on torch for 5 hours, nothing but
Microsoft and the SNMP traffic, no emails, nada.
The SNMP queries coming from it still puzzle me, though it is
likely the laptop is trying to monitor his home security system
or something.
Long story short, the laptop was sent to me because supposedly
they’re sending 17k spam a day from their IP. Problem is they’re
on my Internet and the IP in question belongs to Dish network,
which they do have as a backup, but wasn’t even connected at the
time.

Looks like a whole lot of misdiagnosis by non-IT guys.
*From:* Eric Kuhnke 
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 09, 2016 4:37 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Odd situation
only the second most preposterous part of the movie, after the
part where javier bardem escapes and detonates the floor of a
london tube tunnel at precisely the right time, causing the train
to chase bond...

Q is supposed to be a genius level intellect and network
security/blackhat, yet he plugs the device into their secure network?

nevermind all the fancy eye candy GUI hacking crap which is
required because it's hollywood...
On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Cameron Crum > wrote:

Didn't this happen in Skyfall?
On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Josh Luthman
> wrote:

+1

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St

Re: [AFMUG] Odd situation

[Ken Hohhof]

“From their account” and “from their IP” are usually separate things.  Probably 
need to determine if someone actually determined it was from their IP, or just 
assumed that.

It used to be common to plant a spambot on a compromised computer, but so many 
ISPs block outbound traffic to port 25 that this method is much less common 
these days.  The more common method now is to get hold of someone’s email 
credentials and use those to relay spam through the email host’s mail relay, 
often from a botnet, but not from the compromised customer’s computer or IP 
address.  Once you have their credentials, you can relay spam from any IP 
address through the legitimate MX server which trusts those credentials, at 
least until the account gets suspended.  So maybe the computer is infected with 
malware and part of a botnet, but likely it would be sending spam on port 587 
using SMTP AUTH and a list of stolen usernames and passwords.

All the time we get customers who assume their computer is infected because 
their email credentials are being used to send spam, they don’t understand once 
someone has their credentials the spam can come from anywhere.


From: David 
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 10:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Odd situation

Sounds like a typical compromised email account with a trojan running the whole 
thing.
Secure email account
then disinfect machine with lysol and should be good LOL



On 02/10/2016 10:31 AM, Glen Waldrop wrote:

  Rural customer. Just about the only neighbor that could have gotten on their 
WIFI just died in their early 90s.

  No idea.

  I think it is just a 100% misdiagnosis by non-IT guys. I’m trying to get the 
info myself.

  From what I’ve been able to put together it sounds like someone has their 
login and password to their email accounts.

  Still need all of the info.

  I guess that 90+ year old could have been taking in side money as a spammer, 
but...


  From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 10:01 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Odd situation

  dish probably connected some smart tv/roku/wifi extender in an unsecured 
fashion to their network and never told the customer about it, and it has since 
been hijacked and is relaying spam

  On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 9:38 PM, Glen Waldrop  wrote:

First and foremost my office is a computer service, so bugged computers 
come through here 24/7. It is my job.

The whole point of that was to monitor what it was doing.

Digging in to the IP’s it was communicating with, the secure connection was 
to Microsoft. Windows 8 and 10 have to call home to big brother constantly. Not 
a fan.

Looks like yet another “the sky is falling, fix it, it is pwned beyond 
belief” was sent to my office with pretty much nothing wrong with it. I went 
through it multiple times, all I found was the Inbox toolbar. Watched it on 
torch for 5 hours, nothing but Microsoft and the SNMP traffic, no emails, nada.

The SNMP queries coming from it still puzzle me, though it is likely the 
laptop is trying to monitor his home security system or something.

Long story short, the laptop was sent to me because supposedly they’re 
sending 17k spam a day from their IP. Problem is they’re on my Internet and the 
IP in question belongs to Dish network, which they do have as a backup, but 
wasn’t even connected at the time.

Looks like a whole lot of misdiagnosis by non-IT guys.



From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 4:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Odd situation

only the second most preposterous part of the movie, after the part where 
javier bardem escapes and detonates the floor of a london tube tunnel at 
precisely the right time, causing the train to chase bond...


Q is supposed to be a genius level intellect and network security/blackhat, 
yet he plugs the device into their secure network?


nevermind all the fancy eye candy GUI hacking crap which is required 
because it's hollywood...


On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

  Didn't this happen in Skyfall?

  On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

+1

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Feb 9, 2016 5:29 PM, "Eric Kuhnke"  wrote:

  you brought a known-infected laptop into your office and plugged it 
into your LAN?  uhhh... okay.

  http://www.dban.org/


  the port 443 connection is probably command and control for some 
variety of rootkit/APT.





  On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Glen Waldrop 
 wrote:

I’ve got a customer with a bugged laptop. Not biggie, sending spam.

I haven’t quite tracked that down yet, looks 

Re: [AFMUG] 50% repair trade

[Paul McCall]

It doesn’t make sense for us to do that on 100/430 series equipment.  However, 
we do still accept that on 450 SMs.

Paul, PDMNet

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 12:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 50% repair trade

PDMnet used to do this, not sure if it is still a thing though...

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:54 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
> wrote:
Didnt one of the repair outfits used to have some deal where you sent in your 
repair gear, they repaired what was repairable and kept half as the fee, or 
something of that nature? Or was that the outfit that got nailed for poking fsk 
subscribers?

--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] 5G to the home

[Josh Luthman]

I use it for OOB management.  I wouldn't recommend it for backup unless you
have a sweet Sprint plan.  Even an hour would be dozens of gigabytes.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> On a more serious note. Has anyone used a cellular data device connected
> to a tik for backup?
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 2:04 PM That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> low hanging fruit customers and plenty of gubmint monies, anything can be
>> done if you subsidize it heavily enough, maybe throw another 10 bucks a
>> barrel on gass so we can have self driving cars with gigabit to the car,
>> having gigabit connectivity to netflix in your car you arent driving is
>> also a basic human right, and that is fixed wireless, since you arent
>> personally moving since youre sitting in your bed seat in your car
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 12:22 PM, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not sure how they think this is going to work anywhere but very
>>> specific areas. I could see a use for this type of equipment, but it would
>>> have to be orders of magnitude cheaper than it is. That is with my
>>> expectations as well - not a big company like AT
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 a monopole on every block is a basic human right

 On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:

> I know AT is banking on this for non uverse areas.
> On Feb 10, 2016 2:45 AM, "Rory Conaway" 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> http://www.pcworld.com/article/3031008/5g-might-be-your-next-home-broadband-service.html?#tk.rss_all
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>>
>> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>>
>> *602-426-0542 <602-426-0542>*
>>
>> *r...@triadwireless.net*
>>
>> *www.triadwireless.net *
>>
>>
>>
>> “The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of
>> comfort or convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge or
>> controversy” – Martin Luther King
>>
>>
>>
>


 --
 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 50% repair trade

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

we just have a bunch of older gear 2/3/4/500 series ptp stuff thats been
collected over the years, probably not alot of value in them




On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> It doesn’t make sense for us to do that on 100/430 series equipment.
> However, we do still accept that on 450 SMs.
>
>
>
> Paul, PDMNet
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 09, 2016 12:56 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 50% repair trade
>
>
>
> PDMnet used to do this, not sure if it is still a thing though...
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:54 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Didnt one of the repair outfits used to have some deal where you sent in
> your repair gear, they repaired what was repairable and kept half as the
> fee, or something of that nature? Or was that the outfit that got nailed
> for poking fsk subscribers?
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] 5G to the home

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

low hanging fruit customers and plenty of gubmint monies, anything can be
done if you subsidize it heavily enough, maybe throw another 10 bucks a
barrel on gass so we can have self driving cars with gigabit to the car,
having gigabit connectivity to netflix in your car you arent driving is
also a basic human right, and that is fixed wireless, since you arent
personally moving since youre sitting in your bed seat in your car

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 12:22 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> I'm not sure how they think this is going to work anywhere but very
> specific areas. I could see a use for this type of equipment, but it would
> have to be orders of magnitude cheaper than it is. That is with my
> expectations as well - not a big company like AT
>
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> a monopole on every block is a basic human right
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I know AT is banking on this for non uverse areas.
>>> On Feb 10, 2016 2:45 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>>>

 http://www.pcworld.com/article/3031008/5g-might-be-your-next-home-broadband-service.html?#tk.rss_all



 *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*

 *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*

 *602-426-0542 <602-426-0542>*

 *r...@triadwireless.net*

 *www.triadwireless.net *



 “The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of
 comfort or convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge or
 controversy” – Martin Luther King



>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] weatherproof enclosure

[Josh Baird]

I would probably look at the Minifort enclosures if I'm going to spend that 
much (and I need rackmount).

> On Feb 10, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Jason McKemie  
> wrote:
> 
> These look like bison profab enclosures... With a markup.
> 
>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, Dennis Burgess  
>> wrote:
>> We use nothing but these anymore.  These are maybe bigger than you asked, 
>> but most of the time we drop in a two or three rackmount units, plus some 
>> power or something on the backplate.
>> 
>> http://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=506=0
>> 
>> Also, all of our new shinny towers in the area require stainless steel, 
>> nothing that I can rust can be used on-site.  :( Shippiing is basically the 
>> same on 4 vs 1 though.  Very light.
>> 
>> Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
>> den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – www.linktechs.net
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 6:24 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] weatherproof enclosure
>> 
>> what are you guys using for weatherproof enclosure? I am looking for one 
>> that can host an small miktroik router and 4-6 poes with cable what do you 
>> guys say to use?

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

[Sam Kirsch]

Yeah, I spoke to my field guy, he said they took an SMB <-> N Connector 
and ran LMR to the roof.  Hope that helps.



-- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support
Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net
Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688
Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 | sam...@plexicomm.net



-- Original Message --
From: "TJ Trout" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/9/2016 9:42:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

It's an SMB connector, but again I find it really had to believe that 
if you stick it outside until you get a good sync and power it down 
that it won't resync indoors, I've never tried inside of a nuclear 
bunker, but in normal houses and offices with tile and metal roofs I've 
never had one issue.


On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Bill Prince  
wrote:
Yeah. Something like that. All I recall is it was ~~ 1/4" or so in 
diameter. Don't quote me on that. I am disavowing all knowledge.


bp 
On 2/9/2016 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

MCM as in MMC? Like MMCX?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Feb 9, 2016 9:34 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
The Verizon cell extender (made by Samsung) has a little connector 
(don't recall the type, but it's about the size of MCM or so). Put a 
wire on the end of the coax, and you're there.

bp 
On 2/9/2016 10:33 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

How did you get a GPS antenna from the roof to the SCS box?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:28 PM, samuel  
wrote:
Verizon's Samsung SCS series 3G and 4G Network Extender is what I 
was dealing with.  We had to run our own GPS antenna from the roof 
down to the basement to get the damn thing to sync properly.


As an aside, I didn't realize the Low E windows were code now, and 
this is a very newly renovated building.  Will keep that in mind!



-- Sam Kirsch, Network Tech Support
Plexicomm Internet Solutions
Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688


sam...@plexicomm.net | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713





-Original Message-
From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Date: 02/09/16 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

cell booster or gps booster?

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390


On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:15 AM, Sam Kirsch  
wrote:


Pull out a GPS App on your phone and make sure you can actually 
read the satellites from behind the window (I used 'GPS Test' on 
Android). We had to install one of these boosters and were 
troubleshooting why the damn thing wasn't working when I noticed 
that my phone GPS receiver was working in rooms where the 
windows were open and not working in rooms where the windows 
were closed. Building management didn't even know they'd 
purchased the windows with RF film.



 -- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support
Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net
Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688
  Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 | sam...@plexicomm.net





-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/9/2016 9:50:42 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

It might not be just a matter of getting the location. If they 
use the 1pps clock from GPS to calibrate an oscillator before 
they start transmitting, then it would legitimately take 20-30 
minutes.


Telrad BTS's are like that too. Pisses me off if I ever have to 
reset the power.



On 2/9/2016 12:12 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
For whatever reason, the receivers that they use in some of 
these don't seem to be "modern" at all. They frequently take 
an excessively long time to get a lock.


On Monday, February 8, 2016, Eric Kuhnke 
 wrote:
Modern GPS receivers work surprisingly well, if not very 
accurately, from inside a single floor wood framed house... 
My oneplus one will pick up 6 satellites while standing in a 
central hallway 15'+ from any window. Should be accurate 
enough to get a location within 75'.


All bets are off if it is a concrete framed apartment 
building or something like that.


I still find it amazing that anything works at -162 RSL. 
Thanks to tiny channel size and very basic modulation.


 On Feb 8, 2016 6:46 PM, "Bill Prince" 
 wrote:
 Canopy NAT seems to break it with regularity. It might also 
fail if the GPS location that it reports is not within a 1/4 
mile of where the customer address is.


Also requires enough GPS (like near a window) to get a GPS 
lock.


bp 
On 2/8/2016 3:34 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


What are the typical 

Re: [AFMUG] 5G to the home

[Lewis Bergman]

On a more serious note. Has anyone used a cellular data device connected to
a tik for backup?

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 2:04 PM That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> low hanging fruit customers and plenty of gubmint monies, anything can be
> done if you subsidize it heavily enough, maybe throw another 10 bucks a
> barrel on gass so we can have self driving cars with gigabit to the car,
> having gigabit connectivity to netflix in your car you arent driving is
> also a basic human right, and that is fixed wireless, since you arent
> personally moving since youre sitting in your bed seat in your car
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 12:22 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure how they think this is going to work anywhere but very
>> specific areas. I could see a use for this type of equipment, but it would
>> have to be orders of magnitude cheaper than it is. That is with my
>> expectations as well - not a big company like AT
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> a monopole on every block is a basic human right
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I know AT is banking on this for non uverse areas.
 On Feb 10, 2016 2:45 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

>
> http://www.pcworld.com/article/3031008/5g-might-be-your-next-home-broadband-service.html?#tk.rss_all
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <602-426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net*
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> “The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of
> comfort or convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge or
> controversy” – Martin Luther King
>
>
>

>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

[Josh Luthman]

That's most helpful!  Do you have any idea what kind of cable that was?
I'm assuming anything that will handle 1600 MHz with minimal loss will work?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Sam Kirsch  wrote:

> Yeah, I spoke to my field guy, he said they took an SMB <-> N Connector
> and ran LMR to the roof.  Hope that helps.
>
>
>
> *-- Samuel Kirsch, Network SupportPlexicomm - Internet Solutions |
> www.plexicomm.net *
> *Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 <1.866.759.4678%20x109> | Fax: 1.866.852.4688
> <1.866.852.4688>*
> *Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 <1.866.759.9713> | sam...@plexicomm.net
> *
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "TJ Trout" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/9/2016 9:42:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>
>
> It's an SMB connector, but again I find it really had to believe that if
> you stick it outside until you get a good sync and power it down that it
> won't resync indoors, I've never tried inside of a nuclear bunker, but in
> normal houses and offices with tile and metal roofs I've never had one
> issue.
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> Yeah. Something like that. All I recall is it was ~~ 1/4" or so in
>> diameter. Don't quote me on that. I am disavowing all knowledge.
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 2/9/2016 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> MCM as in MMC? Like MMCX?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Feb 9, 2016 9:34 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>
>>> The Verizon cell extender (made by Samsung) has a little connector
>>> (don't recall the type, but it's about the size of MCM or so). Put a wire
>>> on the end of the coax, and you're there.
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/9/2016 10:33 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>
>>> How did you get a GPS antenna from the roof to the SCS box?
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:28 PM, samuel  wrote:
>>>
 Verizon's Samsung SCS series 3G and 4G Network Extender is what I was
 dealing with.  We had to run our own GPS antenna from the roof down to the
 basement to get the damn thing to sync properly.

 As an aside, I didn't realize the Low E windows were code now, and this
 is a very newly renovated building.  Will keep that in mind!



 -- Sam Kirsch, Network Tech Support
 Plexicomm Internet Solutions
 Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688

 sam...@plexicomm.net | Emergency Support:
 1.866.759.9713


 --
 -Original Message-
 From: "Jaime Solorza" < 
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
 To: "Animal Farm" < af@afmug.com>
 Date: 02/09/16 10:39 AM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

 cell booster or gps booster?

 Jaime Solorza
 Wireless Systems Architect
 915-861-1390


 On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:15 AM, Sam Kirsch 
 wrote:

>
> Pull out a GPS App on your phone and make sure you can actually read
> the satellites from behind the window (I used 'GPS Test' on Android). We
> had to install one of these boosters and were troubleshooting why the damn
> thing wasn't working when I noticed that my phone GPS receiver was working
> in rooms where the windows were open and not working in rooms where the
> windows were closed. Building management didn't even know they'd purchased
> the windows with RF film.
>
>
>
> *-- Samuel Kirsch, Network SupportPlexicomm - Internet Solutions |
> www.plexicomm.net *
> *Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688*
>   *Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 | 
> sam...@plexicomm.net *
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Adam Moffett" < dmmoff...@gmail.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/9/2016 9:50:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>
>
> It might not be just a matter of getting the location. If they use the
> 1pps clock from GPS to calibrate an oscillator before they start
> transmitting, then it would legitimately take 20-30 minutes.
>
> Telrad BTS's are like that too. Pisses me off if I ever have to reset
> the power.
>
>
> On 2/9/2016 12:12 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Surprise BW Last night

[Paul Stewart]

In our case it’s really hard to say .. we just seen generally higher traffic on 
all fronts – wasn’t narrowed down to anything in particular (ie. Windows 
updates, Apple updates, major streaming event etc)

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:47 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Surprise BW Last night

 

what was cause of all the traffic?




Jaime Solorza

Wireless Systems Architect

915-861-1390

 

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:44 AM, Paul Stewart  > wrote:

Never sure whether to congratulate someone on that or not :)

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Joe Novak
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:08 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Surprise BW Last night

 

No kidding - we set a new record last night! Jeeze.

 

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:52 AM, Tushar Patel  > wrote:

Same here. Monday nights are highest.

Tushar

 


On Feb 9, 2016, at 6:17 AM, Paul Stewart  > wrote:

Yeah we sent from almost the lowest traffic level in the past year to a very 
busy evening last night.. although Monday nights are often our highest traffic 
levels all week 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 11:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Surprise BW Last night

 

Looks like they made up for it all tonight,  Highest levels in some time this 
evening.  

On 2/8/2016 10:34 AM, Joe Novak wrote:

We dropped over 300mbit as soon as the game started. Just after the game we 
peaked 100mbit lower then the two previous nights. 

 

Sunday is usually our peak for the week averaging 10-15% higher then normal 
usage. 

 

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Seth Mattinen  > wrote:

On 2/8/16 07:55, Nate Burke wrote:

I was expecting record traffic levels with people streaming the 'Big
Game' to multiple devices.  Cord cutters, and just because they could.
But it actually ended up being lower than most Sunday nights.  Not even
a pickup after the game ended.



I don't think a lot of people want to watch something like the super bowl on 
their tiny screen smartphone or tablet or even computer except as a last 
resort. They want the biggest screen possible plus they'll care enough to learn 
HDTV OTA reception if they don't have cable or sat.

~Seth

 

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Surprise BW Last night

[Josh Luthman]

yum still does the whole package...

Do you know Windows 10 is a standard update now?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 5:05 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Microsoft certainly pushed out a big Windows Update yesterday.  My wife
> complained about the fan noise from my laptop interfering with her TV
> watching.  Windows Update Manager had the CPU pegged for a couple hours I
> think (for Win7 no less).  But that’s not really unusual for Patch
> Tuesday.  I think if Microsoft changes one line of code, they send out a
> new copy of everything.  Certainly different from doing a yum update where
> just the affected packages get updated.
>
>
> *From:* Paul Stewart 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 10, 2016 3:15 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Surprise BW Last night
>
>
> In our case it’s really hard to say .. we just seen generally higher
> traffic on all fronts – wasn’t narrowed down to anything in particular (ie.
> Windows updates, Apple updates, major streaming event etc)
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:47 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Surprise BW Last night
>
>
>
> what was cause of all the traffic?
>
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> Wireless Systems Architect
>
> 915-861-1390
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:44 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:
>
> Never sure whether to congratulate someone on that or not J
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe Novak
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:08 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Surprise BW Last night
>
>
>
> No kidding - we set a new record last night! Jeeze.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:52 AM, Tushar Patel  wrote:
>
> Same here. Monday nights are highest.
>
> Tushar
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 9, 2016, at 6:17 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:
>
> Yeah we sent from almost the lowest traffic level in the past year to a
> very busy evening last night.. although Monday nights are often our highest
> traffic levels all week
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Nate Burke
> *Sent:* Monday, February 8, 2016 11:10 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Surprise BW Last night
>
>
>
> Looks like they made up for it all tonight,  Highest levels in some time
> this evening.
>
> On 2/8/2016 10:34 AM, Joe Novak wrote:
>
> We dropped over 300mbit as soon as the game started. Just after the game
> we peaked 100mbit lower then the two previous nights.
>
>
>
> Sunday is usually our peak for the week averaging 10-15% higher then
> normal usage.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
> On 2/8/16 07:55, Nate Burke wrote:
>
> I was expecting record traffic levels with people streaming the 'Big
> Game' to multiple devices.  Cord cutters, and just because they could.
> But it actually ended up being lower than most Sunday nights.  Not even
> a pickup after the game ended.
>
>
>
> I don't think a lot of people want to watch something like the super bowl
> on their tiny screen smartphone or tablet or even computer except as a last
> resort. They want the biggest screen possible plus they'll care enough to
> learn HDTV OTA reception if they don't have cable or sat.
>
> ~Seth
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

[Jaime Solorza]

Andrew 1/2  Heliax
On Feb 10, 2016 2:33 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

> That's most helpful!  Do you have any idea what kind of cable that was?
> I'm assuming anything that will handle 1600 MHz with minimal loss will work?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Sam Kirsch  wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I spoke to my field guy, he said they took an SMB <-> N Connector
>> and ran LMR to the roof.  Hope that helps.
>>
>>
>>
>> *-- Samuel Kirsch, Network SupportPlexicomm - Internet Solutions |
>> www.plexicomm.net *
>> *Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 <1.866.759.4678%20x109> | Fax:
>> 1.866.852.4688 <1.866.852.4688>*
>> *Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 <1.866.759.9713> |
>> sam...@plexicomm.net *
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "TJ Trout" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 2/9/2016 9:42:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>>
>>
>> It's an SMB connector, but again I find it really had to believe that if
>> you stick it outside until you get a good sync and power it down that it
>> won't resync indoors, I've never tried inside of a nuclear bunker, but in
>> normal houses and offices with tile and metal roofs I've never had one
>> issue.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah. Something like that. All I recall is it was ~~ 1/4" or so in
>>> diameter. Don't quote me on that. I am disavowing all knowledge.
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/9/2016 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>
>>> MCM as in MMC? Like MMCX?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Feb 9, 2016 9:34 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>>
 The Verizon cell extender (made by Samsung) has a little connector
 (don't recall the type, but it's about the size of MCM or so). Put a wire
 on the end of the coax, and you're there.

 bp
 


 On 2/9/2016 10:33 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 How did you get a GPS antenna from the roof to the SCS box?


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:28 PM, samuel  wrote:

> Verizon's Samsung SCS series 3G and 4G Network Extender is what I was
> dealing with.  We had to run our own GPS antenna from the roof down to the
> basement to get the damn thing to sync properly.
>
> As an aside, I didn't realize the Low E windows were code now, and
> this is a very newly renovated building.  Will keep that in mind!
>
>
>
> -- Sam Kirsch, Network Tech Support
> Plexicomm Internet Solutions
> Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688
>
> sam...@plexicomm.net | Emergency Support:
> 1.866.759.9713
>
>
> --
> -Original Message-
> From: "Jaime Solorza" < 
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> To: "Animal Farm" < af@afmug.com>
> Date: 02/09/16 10:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>
> cell booster or gps booster?
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:15 AM, Sam Kirsch 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Pull out a GPS App on your phone and make sure you can actually read
>> the satellites from behind the window (I used 'GPS Test' on Android). We
>> had to install one of these boosters and were troubleshooting why the 
>> damn
>> thing wasn't working when I noticed that my phone GPS receiver was 
>> working
>> in rooms where the windows were open and not working in rooms where the
>> windows were closed. Building management didn't even know they'd 
>> purchased
>> the windows with RF film.
>>
>>
>>
>> *-- Samuel Kirsch, Network SupportPlexicomm - Internet Solutions |
>> www.plexicomm.net *
>> *Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688*
>>   *Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 | 
>> sam...@plexicomm.net *
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Adam Moffett" < dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 2/9/2016 9:50:42 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>>
>>
>> It might not be just a matter of getting the location. If they use
>> the 1pps clock from GPS to 

Re: [AFMUG] Surprise BW Last night

[Ken Hohhof]

Microsoft certainly pushed out a big Windows Update yesterday.  My wife 
complained about the fan noise from my laptop interfering with her TV watching. 
 Windows Update Manager had the CPU pegged for a couple hours I think (for Win7 
no less).  But that’s not really unusual for Patch Tuesday.  I think if 
Microsoft changes one line of code, they send out a new copy of everything.  
Certainly different from doing a yum update where just the affected packages 
get updated.


From: Paul Stewart 
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 3:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Surprise BW Last night

In our case it’s really hard to say .. we just seen generally higher traffic on 
all fronts – wasn’t narrowed down to anything in particular (ie. Windows 
updates, Apple updates, major streaming event etc)

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:47 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Surprise BW Last night

 

what was cause of all the traffic?




Jaime Solorza

Wireless Systems Architect

915-861-1390

 

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:44 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

  Never sure whether to congratulate someone on that or not J

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Novak
  Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:08 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Surprise BW Last night

   

  No kidding - we set a new record last night! Jeeze.

   

  On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:52 AM, Tushar Patel  wrote:

Same here. Monday nights are highest.

Tushar

 


On Feb 9, 2016, at 6:17 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

  Yeah we sent from almost the lowest traffic level in the past year to a 
very busy evening last night.. although Monday nights are often our highest 
traffic levels all week 

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
  Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 11:10 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Surprise BW Last night

   

  Looks like they made up for it all tonight,  Highest levels in some time 
this evening.  

  On 2/8/2016 10:34 AM, Joe Novak wrote:

We dropped over 300mbit as soon as the game started. Just after the 
game we peaked 100mbit lower then the two previous nights. 

 

Sunday is usually our peak for the week averaging 10-15% higher then 
normal usage. 

 

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Seth Mattinen  
wrote:

  On 2/8/16 07:55, Nate Burke wrote:

I was expecting record traffic levels with people streaming the 'Big
Game' to multiple devices.  Cord cutters, and just because they 
could.
But it actually ended up being lower than most Sunday nights.  Not 
even
a pickup after the game ended.



  I don't think a lot of people want to watch something like the super 
bowl on their tiny screen smartphone or tablet or even computer except as a 
last resort. They want the biggest screen possible plus they'll care enough to 
learn HDTV OTA reception if they don't have cable or sat.

  ~Seth

 

   

   

 

Re: [AFMUG] 5G to the home

[Jason McKemie]

I'm not sure how they think this is going to work anywhere but very
specific areas. I could see a use for this type of equipment, but it would
have to be orders of magnitude cheaper than it is. That is with my
expectations as well - not a big company like AT

On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> a monopole on every block is a basic human right
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Josh Reynolds  > wrote:
>
>> I know AT is banking on this for non uverse areas.
>> On Feb 10, 2016 2:45 AM, "Rory Conaway" > > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> http://www.pcworld.com/article/3031008/5g-might-be-your-next-home-broadband-service.html?#tk.rss_all
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>>>
>>> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>>>
>>> *602-426-0542 <602-426-0542>*
>>>
>>> *r...@triadwireless.net
>>> *
>>>
>>> *www.triadwireless.net *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> “The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of
>>> comfort or convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge or
>>> controversy” – Martin Luther King
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

[Ken Hohhof]

I assumed that was sarcasm.  Or maybe I mean hyperbole.  In any case, I don’t 
think he was serious.  I hope not.

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 6:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

Dude, don't do that. LMR600. We buy it by the thousands of feet. It is much 
easier to run, less prone to damage, and equivalent in loss per frequency range.



On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 4:09 PM Jaime Solorza  wrote:

  Andrew 1/2  Heliax 

  On Feb 10, 2016 2:33 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

That's most helpful!  Do you have any idea what kind of cable that was?  
I'm assuming anything that will handle 1600 MHz with minimal loss will work?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Sam Kirsch  wrote:

  Yeah, I spoke to my field guy, he said they took an SMB <-> N Connector 
and ran LMR to the roof.  Hope that helps.


  -- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support
  Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net
  Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688
  Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 | sam...@plexicomm.net



  -- Original Message --
  From: "TJ Trout" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 2/9/2016 9:42:37 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

It's an SMB connector, but again I find it really had to believe that 
if you stick it outside until you get a good sync and power it down that it 
won't resync indoors, I've never tried inside of a nuclear bunker, but in 
normal houses and offices with tile and metal roofs I've never had one issue.

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

  Yeah. Something like that. All I recall is it was ~~ 1/4" or so in 
diameter. Don't quote me on that. I am disavowing all knowledge.


bp


On 2/9/2016 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

MCM as in MMC? Like MMCX?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Feb 9, 2016 9:34 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

  The Verizon cell extender (made by Samsung) has a little 
connector (don't recall the type, but it's about the size of MCM or so). Put a 
wire on the end of the coax, and you're there.

bp


On 2/9/2016 10:33 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

How did you get a GPS antenna from the roof to the SCS box?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:28 PM, samuel  
wrote:

  Verizon's Samsung SCS series 3G and 4G Network Extender is 
what I was dealing with.  We had to run our own GPS antenna from the roof down 
to the basement to get the damn thing to sync properly.

  As an aside, I didn't realize the Low E windows were code 
now, and this is a very newly renovated building.  Will keep that in mind!



  -- Sam Kirsch, Network Tech Support
  Plexicomm Internet Solutions 
  Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688


  sam...@plexicomm.net | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713

   





-Original Message-
From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Date: 02/09/16 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"


cell booster or gps booster?


Jaime Solorza 
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390
 


On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:15 AM, Sam Kirsch 
 wrote:


  Pull out a GPS App on your phone and make sure you can 
actually read the satellites from behind the window (I used 'GPS Test' on 
Android). We had to install one of these boosters and were troubleshooting why 
the damn thing wasn't working when I noticed that my phone GPS receiver was 
working in rooms where the windows were open and not working in rooms where the 
windows were closed. Building management didn't even know they'd purchased the 
windows with RF film. 


   -- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support
  Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net
  Office: 1.866.759.4678 

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

[Jaime Solorza]

I prefer HeliaxI use LMR for pigtails but rarelywe also use Andrew
superflex
On Feb 10, 2016 5:16 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> Dude, don't do that. LMR600. We buy it by the thousands of feet. It is
> much easier to run, less prone to damage, and equivalent in loss per
> frequency range.
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 4:09 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Andrew 1/2  Heliax
>> On Feb 10, 2016 2:33 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That's most helpful!  Do you have any idea what kind of cable that was?
>>> I'm assuming anything that will handle 1600 MHz with minimal loss will work?
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Sam Kirsch 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yeah, I spoke to my field guy, he said they took an SMB <-> N Connector
 and ran LMR to the roof.  Hope that helps.



 *-- Samuel Kirsch, Network SupportPlexicomm - Internet Solutions |
 www.plexicomm.net *
 *Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 <1.866.759.4678%20x109> | Fax:
 1.866.852.4688 <1.866.852.4688>*
 *Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 <1.866.759.9713> |
 sam...@plexicomm.net *



 -- Original Message --
 From: "TJ Trout" 
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: 2/9/2016 9:42:37 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"


 It's an SMB connector, but again I find it really had to believe that
 if you stick it outside until you get a good sync and power it down that it
 won't resync indoors, I've never tried inside of a nuclear bunker, but in
 normal houses and offices with tile and metal roofs I've never had one
 issue.

 On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Bill Prince 
 wrote:

> Yeah. Something like that. All I recall is it was ~~ 1/4" or so in
> diameter. Don't quote me on that. I am disavowing all knowledge.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/9/2016 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> MCM as in MMC? Like MMCX?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Feb 9, 2016 9:34 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>
>> The Verizon cell extender (made by Samsung) has a little connector
>> (don't recall the type, but it's about the size of MCM or so). Put a wire
>> on the end of the coax, and you're there.
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 2/9/2016 10:33 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> How did you get a GPS antenna from the roof to the SCS box?
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:28 PM, samuel  wrote:
>>
>>> Verizon's Samsung SCS series 3G and 4G Network Extender is what I
>>> was dealing with.  We had to run our own GPS antenna from the roof down 
>>> to
>>> the basement to get the damn thing to sync properly.
>>>
>>> As an aside, I didn't realize the Low E windows were code now, and
>>> this is a very newly renovated building.  Will keep that in mind!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Sam Kirsch, Network Tech Support
>>> Plexicomm Internet Solutions
>>> Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688
>>>
>>> sam...@plexicomm.net | Emergency Support:
>>> 1.866.759.9713
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: "Jaime Solorza" < 
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>>> To: "Animal Farm" < af@afmug.com>
>>> Date: 02/09/16 10:39 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>>>
>>> cell booster or gps booster?
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>> Wireless Systems Architect
>>> 915-861-1390
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:15 AM, Sam Kirsch 
>>> wrote:
>>>

 Pull out a GPS App on your phone and make sure you can actually
 read the satellites from behind the window (I used 'GPS Test' on 
 Android).
 We had to install one of these boosters and were troubleshooting why 
 the
 damn thing wasn't working when I noticed that my phone GPS receiver was
 working in rooms where the windows were open and not working in rooms 
 where
 the windows were closed. Building management didn't even know they'd
 purchased the windows with RF film.



 *-- Samuel Kirsch, Network 

Re: [AFMUG] weatherproof enclosure

[George Skorup]

Now you have me thinking. I recall getting another quote for the 24x16 
or 24x18 or whatever it was. Maybe $450 or so. I got worried about the 
shorter one not being able to get the battery capacity I wanted with all 
of the other gear taking up so much room, and a secondary battery-only 
enclosure was going to be more than the 24" tall enclosure, so that 
wasn't going to happen either. And most places, pad mounted enclosures 
with battery compartments/trays is unpossible. Not to mention those 
enclosure being a couple $k. I need good nuf grade, not super-duper 
telco grade. Sure, there's lots of used stuff out there at good prices. 
Most of the time though, all that stuff is way, way overkill.


On 2/10/2016 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:


I'm thinking about our boxes now, they may not be 24x24. Probably more 
like 18" tall. Searching through Google drive pics...


On Feb 10, 2016 6:13 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
> wrote:


Looks like they've gone up a LOT.

On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, George Skorup > wrote:

Here's what I got last year.

On 2/10/2016 6:05 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

My quote had a breakdown of the different elements, it wasn't
much difference for the base unit though.

On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, Josh Reynolds
 wrote:

Ours were bare aluminum, no fans, nothing fancy.

On Feb 10, 2016 5:53 PM, "Jason McKemie"
 wrote:

My quote was in that neighborhood as well. It has
been a while since I checked though.

On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, Josh Reynolds
 wrote:

Uh, I remember paying $400ish for one 24x19x24,
with rail. 2 was  $900ish after shipping to Alaska.

Have they really gone up that much???

On Feb 10, 2016 5:31 PM, "George Skorup"
 wrote:

I have a quote from Bison for the 24x24" rack
version with universal tower/pole mount
brackets. Over $700. So I don't think Dennis
is doing much mark-up, if any. Just wanted to
point that out.

On 2/10/2016 5:26 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:


I was thinking the same thing

On Feb 10, 2016 1:43 PM, "Jason McKemie"
 wrote:

These look like bison profab
enclosures... With a markup.

On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, Dennis
Burgess  wrote:

We use nothing but these anymore. 
These are maybe bigger than you

asked, but most of the time we drop
in a two or three rackmount units,
plus some power or something on the
backplate.


http://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=506=0

Also, all of our new shinny towers
in the area require stainless steel,
nothing that I can rust can be used
on-site.  :( Shippiing is basically
the same on 4 vs 1 though.  Very light.

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link
Technologies, Inc.
den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270
x103  –
www.linktechs.net


-Original Message-
From: Af
[mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On
Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016
6:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] weatherproof enclosure

what are you guys using for
weatherproof enclosure? I am looking
for one that can host an small
miktroik router and 4-6 poes with
cable what do you guys say to use?

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

[Lewis Bergman]

Do you have a reason to prefer it? Most people who have little experience
will end up damaging heliax or leaving slivers on the dialectical face
causing issues. Besides, if you are running it inside a building, LMR600 is
much less likely to be damaged. 1/2" is at least 75 cents more  foot.
Unless you are running several hundred feet it is unlikely to make any
difference.

   LMR 600LDF4-50A
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 30 MHz .4.463
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 150 MHz 1.0  .815
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 450 MHz 1.7 1.45
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 824 MHz N/A  2.0
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 896 MHz 2.5  2.09
cable size .590"   1/2"
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 960 MHz N/A  2.17
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 1700 MHz 3.7   2.97
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 2500 MHz 4.4   NA
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 5900 MHz 7.3   NAOn the other hand, if you
really like it I'll give you a hell of a deal on a TON of 1/2" and 1/4"
Andrews connectors.

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 6:23 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> I prefer HeliaxI use LMR for pigtails but rarelywe also use Andrew
> superflex
> On Feb 10, 2016 5:16 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
>> Dude, don't do that. LMR600. We buy it by the thousands of feet. It is
>> much easier to run, less prone to damage, and equivalent in loss per
>> frequency range.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 4:09 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Andrew 1/2  Heliax
>>> On Feb 10, 2016 2:33 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 That's most helpful!  Do you have any idea what kind of cable that
 was?  I'm assuming anything that will handle 1600 MHz with minimal loss
 will work?


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Sam Kirsch 
 wrote:

> Yeah, I spoke to my field guy, he said they took an SMB <-> N
> Connector and ran LMR to the roof.  Hope that helps.
>
>
>
> *-- Samuel Kirsch, Network SupportPlexicomm - Internet Solutions |
> www.plexicomm.net *
> *Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 <1.866.759.4678%20x109> | Fax:
> 1.866.852.4688 <1.866.852.4688>*
> *Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 <1.866.759.9713> |
> sam...@plexicomm.net *
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "TJ Trout" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/9/2016 9:42:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>
>
> It's an SMB connector, but again I find it really had to believe that
> if you stick it outside until you get a good sync and power it down that 
> it
> won't resync indoors, I've never tried inside of a nuclear bunker, but in
> normal houses and offices with tile and metal roofs I've never had one
> issue.
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Bill Prince 
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah. Something like that. All I recall is it was ~~ 1/4" or so in
>> diameter. Don't quote me on that. I am disavowing all knowledge.
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 2/9/2016 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> MCM as in MMC? Like MMCX?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Feb 9, 2016 9:34 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>
>>> The Verizon cell extender (made by Samsung) has a little connector
>>> (don't recall the type, but it's about the size of MCM or so). Put a 
>>> wire
>>> on the end of the coax, and you're there.
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/9/2016 10:33 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>
>>> How did you get a GPS antenna from the roof to the SCS box?
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:28 PM, samuel  wrote:
>>>
 Verizon's Samsung SCS series 3G and 4G Network Extender is what I
 was dealing with.  We had to run our own GPS antenna from the roof 
 down to
 the basement to get the damn thing to sync properly.

 As an aside, I didn't realize the Low E windows were code now, and
 this is a very newly renovated building.  Will keep that in mind!



 -- Sam Kirsch, Network Tech Support
 Plexicomm Internet Solutions
 Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688

 sam...@plexicomm.net | Emergency Support:
 

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

[Jaime Solorza]

Personal preference... having installed thousands and thousands feet of it
since 1993have the tools for prepping cablesthe connectors install
correctly will not come off by pulling or yanking them.   LMR feels like RG
58 thicker brother.I have used LMR when supplied by client.   I can
drive 15 minutes to Epcom and buy it along with connectors.  No wait no
shipping cost.
Yes it can be damaged by bending or kinking it.   So for newbies I concede
your point.   I prefer Betty over Veronica  and Mary Ann over Ginger. So
that's my story and I am sticking to it.
On Feb 10, 2016 5:39 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> Do you have a reason to prefer it? Most people who have little experience
> will end up damaging heliax or leaving slivers on the dialectical face
> causing issues. Besides, if you are running it inside a building, LMR600 is
> much less likely to be damaged. 1/2" is at least 75 cents more  foot.
> Unless you are running several hundred feet it is unlikely to make any
> difference.
>
>  LMR 600LDF4-50A
> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 30 MHz .4.463
> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 150 MHz 1.0  .815
> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 450 MHz 1.7 1.45
> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 824 MHz N/A  2.0
> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 896 MHz 2.5  2.09
> cable size .590"   1/2"
> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 960 MHz N/A  2.17
> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 1700 MHz 3.7   2.97
> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 2500 MHz 4.4   NA
> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 5900 MHz 7.3   NAOn the other hand, if you
> really like it I'll give you a hell of a deal on a TON of 1/2" and 1/4"
> Andrews connectors.
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 6:23 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> I prefer HeliaxI use LMR for pigtails but rarelywe also use
>> Andrew superflex
>> On Feb 10, 2016 5:16 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>>
>>> Dude, don't do that. LMR600. We buy it by the thousands of feet. It is
>>> much easier to run, less prone to damage, and equivalent in loss per
>>> frequency range.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 4:09 PM Jaime Solorza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Andrew 1/2  Heliax
 On Feb 10, 2016 2:33 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
 wrote:

> That's most helpful!  Do you have any idea what kind of cable that
> was?  I'm assuming anything that will handle 1600 MHz with minimal loss
> will work?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Sam Kirsch 
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I spoke to my field guy, he said they took an SMB <-> N
>> Connector and ran LMR to the roof.  Hope that helps.
>>
>>
>>
>> *-- Samuel Kirsch, Network SupportPlexicomm - Internet Solutions |
>> www.plexicomm.net *
>> *Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 <1.866.759.4678%20x109> | Fax:
>> 1.866.852.4688 <1.866.852.4688>*
>> *Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 <1.866.759.9713> |
>> sam...@plexicomm.net *
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "TJ Trout" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 2/9/2016 9:42:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>>
>>
>> It's an SMB connector, but again I find it really had to believe that
>> if you stick it outside until you get a good sync and power it down that 
>> it
>> won't resync indoors, I've never tried inside of a nuclear bunker, but in
>> normal houses and offices with tile and metal roofs I've never had one
>> issue.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Bill Prince 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah. Something like that. All I recall is it was ~~ 1/4" or so in
>>> diameter. Don't quote me on that. I am disavowing all knowledge.
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/9/2016 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>
>>> MCM as in MMC? Like MMCX?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Feb 9, 2016 9:34 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>>
 The Verizon cell extender (made by Samsung) has a little connector
 (don't recall the type, but it's about the size of MCM or so). Put a 
 wire
 on the end of the coax, and you're there.

 bp
 


 On 2/9/2016 10:33 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 How did you get a GPS antenna from the roof to the SCS box?


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

[Jaime Solorza]

Hey Lewiswe did use a bunch of Huber Suhner cable assemblies and
antennas when we created the MPAA 9004 90 degree panels with combiner
back in NCR WaveLAN days...we sold about 150 to a Columbian integrator for
a bank project..  wish I could find pictures of it.  Anyways that was
really nice cable.  Pricey but was worth it for some hush hush projects
using Cylink products.
On Feb 10, 2016 8:02 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

> Ehh I don't know about that...
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Feb 10, 2016 9:50 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>
>> But it probably costs Verizon $25...
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 2/10/2016 6:43 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> It's $250 new :P
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Feb 10, 2016 8:05 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>
>>> Are we still talking about a GPS cable for a $100 femtocell??!?
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/10/2016 4:16 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>>
>>> Dude, don't do that. LMR600. We buy it by the thousands of feet. It is
>>> much easier to run, less prone to damage, and equivalent in loss per
>>> frequency range.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 4:09 PM Jaime Solorza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Andrew 1/2  Heliax
 On Feb 10, 2016 2:33 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
 wrote:

> That's most helpful!  Do you have any idea what kind of cable that
> was?  I'm assuming anything that will handle 1600 MHz with minimal loss
> will work?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Sam Kirsch 
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I spoke to my field guy, he said they took an SMB <-> N
>> Connector and ran LMR to the roof.  Hope that helps.
>>
>>
>>
>> *-- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support Plexicomm - Internet Solutions |
>> www.plexicomm.net  *
>> * Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 <1.866.759.4678%20x109> | Fax:
>> 1.866.852.4688 <1.866.852.4688>*
>> *Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 <1.866.759.9713> |
>> sam...@plexicomm.net 
>> *
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "TJ Trout" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 2/9/2016 9:42:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>>
>>
>> It's an SMB connector, but again I find it really had to believe that
>> if you stick it outside until you get a good sync and power it down that 
>> it
>> won't resync indoors, I've never tried inside of a nuclear bunker, but in
>> normal houses and offices with tile and metal roofs I've never had one
>> issue.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Bill Prince 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah. Something like that. All I recall is it was ~~ 1/4" or so in
>>> diameter. Don't quote me on that. I am disavowing all knowledge.
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/9/2016 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>
>>> MCM as in MMC? Like MMCX?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Feb 9, 2016 9:34 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>>
 The Verizon cell extender (made by Samsung) has a little connector
 (don't recall the type, but it's about the size of MCM or so). Put a 
 wire
 on the end of the coax, and you're there.

 bp
 


 On 2/9/2016 10:33 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 How did you get a GPS antenna from the roof to the SCS box?


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:28 PM, samuel 
 wrote:

> Verizon's Samsung SCS series 3G and 4G Network Extender is what I
> was dealing with.  We had to run our own GPS antenna from the roof 
> down to
> the basement to get the damn thing to sync properly.
>
> As an aside, I didn't realize the Low E windows were code now, and
> this is a very newly renovated building.  Will keep that in mind!
>
>
>
> -- Sam Kirsch, Network Tech Support
> Plexicomm Internet Solutions
> 

[AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence

[TJ Trout]

What Is the process to get a 365 license and start working an area with
current licensees already in the same footprint ? Just register for the
license, register the ap and try not to be on the same channel as someone
else? Essentially the same as ISM/UNIII but you pay a fee and put your name
in a data base ?

[AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

[TJ Trout]

It seems as if the telrad discussions have gone cold, seriously looking at
it for a new deployment but wanted to get some feedback from current users,
Gino? Etc

They have priced me out at about 45k for 4 radios, 4 sectors and the basic
EPC. $285 for the CPE. This is a fortune compared to anything else, but if
you can truly reach many more customers and load the aps higher it may
pincel out for me...

So what's the word ?

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence

[Ken Hohhof]

The FCC stopped issuing NN licenses around April of last year.  You would have 
to find a way to acquire one from an existing license holder.


From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 11:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence

What Is the process to get a 365 license and start working an area with current 
licensees already in the same footprint ? Just register for the license, 
register the ap and try not to be on the same channel as someone else? 
Essentially the same as ISM/UNIII but you pay a fee and put your name in a data 
base ?

[AFMUG] Question: AT cellular coverage at your towers.

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

A quick question for those on the list:

Can I get a quick idea of roughly what percentage of everyone's tower
locations are covered with enough AT service that you could do either
basic data or send/receive text messages?

If you'd like to be even more helpful, you could also let me know the
answer to the same question, but only including those sites that are a
challenge to reach for at least a portion of the year.  (For instance,
those that require a specialized vehicle to reach).

I'm working on a project which requires a cellular carrier.  Verizon isn't
looking likely due to network restrictions.  The other option is AT

-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

[AFMUG] 5G to the home

[Rory Conaway]

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3031008/5g-might-be-your-next-home-broadband-service.html?#tk.rss_all

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort or 
convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge or controversy" - Martin 
Luther King

[AFMUG] weatherproof enclosure

[Tim Reichhart]

what are you guys using for weatherproof enclosure? I am looking for one that 
can host an small miktroik router and 4-6 poes with cable what do you guys say 
to use?

Re: [AFMUG] weatherproof enclosure

[Josh Baird]

We have been using these lately:

http://www.enclosurehub.com/productcart/pc/viewCategories.asp?idCategory=923

We also use the metal enclosures from Saginaw, but they are much heavier.

Josh

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 7:23 AM, Tim Reichhart <
timreichh...@hometowncable.net> wrote:

> what are you guys using for weatherproof enclosure? I am looking for one
> that can host an small miktroik router and 4-6 poes with cable what do you
> guys say to use?
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] weatherproof enclosure

[Mike Hammett]

I think I'm going to largely use Saginaw going forward. I didn't realize they 
were as close as they were. On these larger items shipping always ends up being 
ridiculous, but if I can send someone to go pick it up even better. Enclosure 
large enough for anything I'd ever need for $200. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Josh Baird"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 6:44:47 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] weatherproof enclosure 


We have been using these lately: 


http://www.enclosurehub.com/productcart/pc/viewCategories.asp?idCategory=923 



We also use the metal enclosures from Saginaw, but they are much heavier. 


Josh 


On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 7:23 AM, Tim Reichhart < timreichh...@hometowncable.net 
> wrote: 


what are you guys using for weatherproof enclosure? I am looking for one that 
can host an small miktroik router and 4-6 poes with cable what do you guys say 
to use? 

Re: [AFMUG] weatherproof enclosure

[Josh Baird]

Enclosure Hub shipping isn't too bad.  I just looked and we paid $35 for
shipping last order which contained:

Qty: 4
20 x 16 x 8 - Quick Release Latch Flat Cover

I don't have a Saginaw invoice handy, but I don't remember them being too
bad either (they are close to us as well).  If you want to talk about
expensive shipping, look at what you paid on your last Streakwave shipment
(one that didn't ship from Ohio).  :)

Josh

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 7:53 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> I think I'm going to largely use Saginaw going forward. I didn't realize
> they were as close as they were. On these larger items shipping always ends
> up being ridiculous, but if I can send someone to go pick it up even
> better. Enclosure large enough for anything I'd ever need for $200.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Josh Baird" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 10, 2016 6:44:47 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] weatherproof enclosure
>
>
> We have been using these lately:
>
>
> http://www.enclosurehub.com/productcart/pc/viewCategories.asp?idCategory=923
>
> We also use the metal enclosures from Saginaw, but they are much heavier.
>
> Josh
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 7:23 AM, Tim Reichhart <
> timreichh...@hometowncable.net> wrote:
>
>> what are you guys using for weatherproof enclosure? I am looking for one
>> that can host an small miktroik router and 4-6 poes with cable what do you
>> guys say to use?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] weatherproof enclosure

[Mike Hammett]

That's why WAV, Baltic and CTI get most of my business, they're all nearby. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Josh Baird"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 6:57:50 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] weatherproof enclosure 


Enclosure Hub shipping isn't too bad. I just looked and we paid $35 for 
shipping last order which contained: 


Qty: 4 
20 x 16 x 8 - Quick Release Latch Flat Cover 


I don't have a Saginaw invoice handy, but I don't remember them being too bad 
either (they are close to us as well). If you want to talk about expensive 
shipping, look at what you paid on your last Streakwave shipment (one that 
didn't ship from Ohio). :) 


Josh 


On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 7:53 AM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




I think I'm going to largely use Saginaw going forward. I didn't realize they 
were as close as they were. On these larger items shipping always ends up being 
ridiculous, but if I can send someone to go pick it up even better. Enclosure 
large enough for anything I'd ever need for $200. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Josh Baird" < joshba...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 6:44:47 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] weatherproof enclosure 




We have been using these lately: 


http://www.enclosurehub.com/productcart/pc/viewCategories.asp?idCategory=923 



We also use the metal enclosures from Saginaw, but they are much heavier. 


Josh 


On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 7:23 AM, Tim Reichhart < timreichh...@hometowncable.net 
> wrote: 


what are you guys using for weatherproof enclosure? I am looking for one that 
can host an small miktroik router and 4-6 poes with cable what do you guys say 
to use? 

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

[Bill Prince]

Ahhh. So John Chambers is just an older incarnation of Martin Shkreli?

bp


On 2/10/2016 5:26 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
Yea. Cisco is another company that realized they could leverage their 
name by buying some crap, slapping a logo on it, and jacking the 
price. They never realized there are a bunch of people that then think 
a lot less of the brand.
Kind of like Black They used to make strictly great stuff 
decades ago then they started making a discount brand and you could 
never tell after that if you were buying their crap or good line. Now 
everything they sell is crap.


On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 7:19 PM Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:


Is it possible that you are mistaken about this (being a diaup
router etc..)

It is not un-common to have a 'managed' t1 router deployed with a
 OOB dial-up modem connection.
Cisco router being used as an MPLS managed end-point, or a
firewall / vpn etc.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net



*From: *"Ken Hohhof" >
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Wednesday, February 10, 2016 8:01:12 PM


*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

Haha, regarding no one ever got fired for buying Cisco.  I was
helping a customer today figure out a remote site we don’t
serve, he was on the phone and sending me photos of what their
corporate IT had set up.  There was a shiny new Cisco 1921
router in the rack connected to a Westell box on the wall that
I assumed was a T1 smartjack.  But I had him read me the P/N
on the WIC card, and it was a WIC-1AM-V2.  I looked it up, and
that’s a V.92 analog modem card.  They bought a whole 1921
router for a dialup modem line.

*From:* Lewis Bergman 
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 10, 2016 6:55 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

Yea, I have been installing connectors on it since 1975. When
you do install thousands have the right to for both, lmr600
still is faster with just as good and solid a connector.
Multiply the time savings by a few hundred connections on a
job and it really adds up.
But, kind of like Cisco. Nobody ever got fired for using it.


On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 6:49 PM Jaime Solorza
>
wrote:

Personal preference... having installed thousands and
thousands feet of it since 1993have the tools for
prepping cablesthe connectors install correctly will
not come off by pulling or yanking them.   LMR feels like
RG 58 thicker brother.I have used LMR when supplied by
client.   I can drive 15 minutes to Epcom and buy it along
with connectors.  No wait no shipping cost.
Yes it can be damaged by bending or kinking it.   So for
newbies I concede your point.   I prefer Betty over
Veronica  and Mary Ann over Ginger. So that's my story and
I am sticking to it.

On Feb 10, 2016 5:39 PM, "Lewis Bergman"
>
wrote:

Do you have a reason to prefer it? Most people who
have little experience will end up damaging heliax or
leaving slivers on the dialectical face causing
issues. Besides, if you are running it inside a
building, LMR600 is much less likely to be damaged.
1/2" is at least 75 cents more  foot. Unless you are
running several hundred feet it is unlikely to make
any difference.
LMR 600LDF4-50A
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 30 MHz.4 .463
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 150 MHz   1.0 .815
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 450 MHz   1.7 1.45
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 824 MHz   N/A 2.0
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 896 MHz   2.5 2.09
cable size  .590" 1/2"
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 960 MHz   N/A 2.17
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 1700 MHz  3.7 2.97
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 2500 MHz  4.4 NA
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 5900 MHz  7.3 NA

On the other hand, if you really like it I'll give you
a hell of a deal on a TON of 1/2" and 1/4" Andrews
connectors.
On 

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

[Josh Luthman]

It's $250 new :P

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 10, 2016 8:05 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

> Are we still talking about a GPS cable for a $100 femtocell??!?
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/10/2016 4:16 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> Dude, don't do that. LMR600. We buy it by the thousands of feet. It is
> much easier to run, less prone to damage, and equivalent in loss per
> frequency range.
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 4:09 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Andrew 1/2  Heliax
>> On Feb 10, 2016 2:33 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That's most helpful!  Do you have any idea what kind of cable that was?
>>> I'm assuming anything that will handle 1600 MHz with minimal loss will work?
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Sam Kirsch 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yeah, I spoke to my field guy, he said they took an SMB <-> N Connector
 and ran LMR to the roof.  Hope that helps.



 *-- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support Plexicomm - Internet Solutions |
 www.plexicomm.net  *
 * Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 <1.866.759.4678%20x109> | Fax:
 1.866.852.4688 <1.866.852.4688>*
 *Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 <1.866.759.9713> |
 sam...@plexicomm.net  *



 -- Original Message --
 From: "TJ Trout" 
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: 2/9/2016 9:42:37 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"


 It's an SMB connector, but again I find it really had to believe that
 if you stick it outside until you get a good sync and power it down that it
 won't resync indoors, I've never tried inside of a nuclear bunker, but in
 normal houses and offices with tile and metal roofs I've never had one
 issue.

 On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Bill Prince 
 wrote:

> Yeah. Something like that. All I recall is it was ~~ 1/4" or so in
> diameter. Don't quote me on that. I am disavowing all knowledge.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/9/2016 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> MCM as in MMC? Like MMCX?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Feb 9, 2016 9:34 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>
>> The Verizon cell extender (made by Samsung) has a little connector
>> (don't recall the type, but it's about the size of MCM or so). Put a wire
>> on the end of the coax, and you're there.
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 2/9/2016 10:33 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> How did you get a GPS antenna from the roof to the SCS box?
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:28 PM, samuel  wrote:
>>
>>> Verizon's Samsung SCS series 3G and 4G Network Extender is what I
>>> was dealing with.  We had to run our own GPS antenna from the roof down 
>>> to
>>> the basement to get the damn thing to sync properly.
>>>
>>> As an aside, I didn't realize the Low E windows were code now, and
>>> this is a very newly renovated building.  Will keep that in mind!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Sam Kirsch, Network Tech Support
>>> Plexicomm Internet Solutions
>>> Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 <1.866.759.4678%20x109> | Fax:
>>> 1.866.852.4688
>>>
>>> sam...@plexicomm.net | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> To: "Animal Farm" 
>>> Date: 02/09/16 10:39 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>>>
>>> cell booster or gps booster?
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>> Wireless Systems Architect
>>> 915-861-1390
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:15 AM, Sam Kirsch 
>>> wrote:
>>>

 Pull out a GPS App on your phone and make sure you can actually
 read the satellites from behind the window (I used 'GPS Test' on 
 Android).
 We had to install one of these boosters and were troubleshooting why 
 the
 damn thing wasn't working when I noticed that my phone GPS receiver was
 working in rooms where the windows were open and not working in rooms 
 where
 the windows 

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

[Bill Prince]

But it probably costs Verizon $25...

bp


On 2/10/2016 6:43 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


It's $250 new :P

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Feb 10, 2016 8:05 PM, "Bill Prince" > wrote:


Are we still talking about a GPS cable for a $100 femtocell??!?

bp


On 2/10/2016 4:16 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:


Dude, don't do that. LMR600. We buy it by the thousands of feet.
It is much easier to run, less prone to damage, and equivalent in
loss per frequency range.


On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 4:09 PM Jaime Solorza
> wrote:

Andrew 1/2  Heliax

On Feb 10, 2016 2:33 PM, "Josh Luthman"
> wrote:

That's most helpful!  Do you have any idea what kind of
cable that was? I'm assuming anything that will handle
1600 MHz with minimal loss will work?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Sam Kirsch
> wrote:

Yeah, I spoke to my field guy, he said they took an
SMB <-> N Connector and ran LMR to the roof. Hope
that helps.
*-- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support
Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net
**
Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109
 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688
*
*Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713
 | **
*sam...@plexicomm.net
**
-- Original Message --
From: "TJ Trout" >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 2/9/2016 9:42:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

It's an SMB connector, but again I find it really
had to believe that if you stick it outside until
you get a good sync and power it down that it won't
resync indoors, I've never tried inside of a nuclear
bunker, but in normal houses and offices with tile
and metal roofs I've never had one issue.

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Bill Prince
>
wrote:

Yeah. Something like that. All I recall is it
was ~~ 1/4" or so in diameter. Don't quote me on
that. I am disavowing all knowledge.

bp


On 2/9/2016 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


MCM as in MMC? Like MMCX?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Feb 9, 2016 9:34 PM, "Bill Prince"
> wrote:

The Verizon cell extender (made by Samsung)
has a little connector (don't recall the
type, but it's about the size of MCM or
so). Put a wire on the end of the coax, and
you're there.

bp


On 2/9/2016 10:33 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

How did you get a GPS antenna from the
roof to the SCS box?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:28 PM, samuel
> wrote:

Verizon's Samsung SCS series 3G and 4G
Network Extender is what I was dealing
with. We had to run our own GPS
antenna from the roof down to the
basement to get the damn thing to sync
properly.

  

Re: [AFMUG] weatherproof enclosure

[Josh Reynolds]

No rust on the Alaskan coastline so far.
On Feb 10, 2016 7:02 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

> That actually doesn't look too bad. Is that plain aluminum or an alloy?
> Wonder how it would hold up in our coastal environment?
>
> We've had the best luck with fiberglass/composite enclosures, but diamond
> plate aluminum has held up well too.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/10/2016 4:09 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>
> Here's what I got last year.
>
> On 2/10/2016 6:05 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> My quote had a breakdown of the different elements, it wasn't much
> difference for the base unit though.
>
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> Ours were bare aluminum, no fans, nothing fancy.
>> On Feb 10, 2016 5:53 PM, "Jason McKemie" <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My quote was in that neighborhood as well. It has been a while since I
>>> checked though.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Uh, I remember paying $400ish for one 24x19x24, with rail. 2 was
 $900ish after shipping to Alaska.

 Have they really gone up that much???
 On Feb 10, 2016 5:31 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

> I have a quote from Bison for the 24x24" rack version with universal
> tower/pole mount brackets. Over $700. So I don't think Dennis is doing 
> much
> mark-up, if any. Just wanted to point that out.
>
> On 2/10/2016 5:26 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> I was thinking the same thing
> On Feb 10, 2016 1:43 PM, "Jason McKemie" <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> These look like bison profab enclosures... With a markup.
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, Dennis Burgess <
>> dmburg...@linktechs.net> wrote:
>>
>>> We use nothing but these anymore.  These are maybe bigger than you
>>> asked, but most of the time we drop in a two or three rackmount units, 
>>> plus
>>> some power or something on the backplate.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=506=0
>>>
>>> Also, all of our new shinny towers in the area require stainless
>>> steel, nothing that I can rust can be used on-site.  :( Shippiing is
>>> basically the same on 4 vs 1 though.  Very light.
>>>
>>> Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
>>> den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 <314-735-0270%20x103> –
>>> www.linktechs.net
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 6:24 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] weatherproof enclosure
>>>
>>> what are you guys using for weatherproof enclosure? I am looking for
>>> one that can host an small miktroik router and 4-6 poes with cable what 
>>> do
>>> you guys say to use?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

[Josh Luthman]

Ehh I don't know about that...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 10, 2016 9:50 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

> But it probably costs Verizon $25...
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/10/2016 6:43 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> It's $250 new :P
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Feb 10, 2016 8:05 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>
>> Are we still talking about a GPS cable for a $100 femtocell??!?
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 2/10/2016 4:16 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>
>> Dude, don't do that. LMR600. We buy it by the thousands of feet. It is
>> much easier to run, less prone to damage, and equivalent in loss per
>> frequency range.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 4:09 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Andrew 1/2  Heliax
>>> On Feb 10, 2016 2:33 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 That's most helpful!  Do you have any idea what kind of cable that
 was?  I'm assuming anything that will handle 1600 MHz with minimal loss
 will work?


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Sam Kirsch 
 wrote:

> Yeah, I spoke to my field guy, he said they took an SMB <-> N
> Connector and ran LMR to the roof.  Hope that helps.
>
>
>
> *-- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support Plexicomm - Internet Solutions |
> www.plexicomm.net  *
> * Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 <1.866.759.4678%20x109> | Fax:
> 1.866.852.4688 <1.866.852.4688>*
> *Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 <1.866.759.9713> |
> sam...@plexicomm.net 
> *
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "TJ Trout" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/9/2016 9:42:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>
>
> It's an SMB connector, but again I find it really had to believe that
> if you stick it outside until you get a good sync and power it down that 
> it
> won't resync indoors, I've never tried inside of a nuclear bunker, but in
> normal houses and offices with tile and metal roofs I've never had one
> issue.
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Bill Prince 
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah. Something like that. All I recall is it was ~~ 1/4" or so in
>> diameter. Don't quote me on that. I am disavowing all knowledge.
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 2/9/2016 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> MCM as in MMC? Like MMCX?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Feb 9, 2016 9:34 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>
>>> The Verizon cell extender (made by Samsung) has a little connector
>>> (don't recall the type, but it's about the size of MCM or so). Put a 
>>> wire
>>> on the end of the coax, and you're there.
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/9/2016 10:33 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>
>>> How did you get a GPS antenna from the roof to the SCS box?
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:28 PM, samuel  wrote:
>>>
 Verizon's Samsung SCS series 3G and 4G Network Extender is what I
 was dealing with.  We had to run our own GPS antenna from the roof 
 down to
 the basement to get the damn thing to sync properly.

 As an aside, I didn't realize the Low E windows were code now, and
 this is a very newly renovated building.  Will keep that in mind!



 -- Sam Kirsch, Network Tech Support
 Plexicomm Internet Solutions
 Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 <1.866.759.4678%20x109> | Fax:
 1.866.852.4688

 sam...@plexicomm.net | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713


 --
 -Original Message-
 From: "Jaime Solorza" 
 To: "Animal Farm" 
 Date: 02/09/16 10:39 AM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

 cell booster or gps booster?

 Jaime Solorza
 Wireless Systems Architect
 915-861-1390


 On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 

Re: [AFMUG] Surprise BW Last night

[Chuck McCown]

She was sitting on his lap at the time...

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 4:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Surprise BW Last night

Either your wife has exceptional hearing and leaves the TV at a very low 
volume, or your laptop is a beast :)

I'm loving my new laptop. Skylake i7, only 15W TDP.

On Feb 10, 2016 4:05 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

  Microsoft certainly pushed out a big Windows Update yesterday.  My wife 
complained about the fan noise from my laptop interfering with her TV watching. 
 Windows Update Manager had the CPU pegged for a couple hours I think (for Win7 
no less).  But that’s not really unusual for Patch Tuesday.  I think if 
Microsoft changes one line of code, they send out a new copy of everything.  
Certainly different from doing a yum update where just the affected packages 
get updated.


  From: Paul Stewart 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 3:15 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Surprise BW Last night

  In our case it’s really hard to say .. we just seen generally higher traffic 
on all fronts – wasn’t narrowed down to anything in particular (ie. Windows 
updates, Apple updates, major streaming event etc)



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
  Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:47 AM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Surprise BW Last night



  what was cause of all the traffic?




  Jaime Solorza

  Wireless Systems Architect

  915-861-1390



  On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:44 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

Never sure whether to congratulate someone on that or not J



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Novak
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:08 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Surprise BW Last night



No kidding - we set a new record last night! Jeeze.



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:52 AM, Tushar Patel  wrote:

  Same here. Monday nights are highest.

  Tushar




  On Feb 9, 2016, at 6:17 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

Yeah we sent from almost the lowest traffic level in the past year to a 
very busy evening last night.. although Monday nights are often our highest 
traffic levels all week 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 11:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Surprise BW Last night



Looks like they made up for it all tonight,  Highest levels in some 
time this evening.  

On 2/8/2016 10:34 AM, Joe Novak wrote:

  We dropped over 300mbit as soon as the game started. Just after the 
game we peaked 100mbit lower then the two previous nights. 



  Sunday is usually our peak for the week averaging 10-15% higher then 
normal usage. 



  On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Seth Mattinen  
wrote:

On 2/8/16 07:55, Nate Burke wrote:

  I was expecting record traffic levels with people streaming the 
'Big
  Game' to multiple devices.  Cord cutters, and just because they 
could.
  But it actually ended up being lower than most Sunday nights.  
Not even
  a pickup after the game ended.



I don't think a lot of people want to watch something like the 
super bowl on their tiny screen smartphone or tablet or even computer except as 
a last resort. They want the biggest screen possible plus they'll care enough 
to learn HDTV OTA reception if they don't have cable or sat.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] weatherproof enclosure

[George Skorup]

I have a quote from Bison for the 24x24" rack version with universal 
tower/pole mount brackets. Over $700. So I don't think Dennis is doing 
much mark-up, if any. Just wanted to point that out.


On 2/10/2016 5:26 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:


I was thinking the same thing

On Feb 10, 2016 1:43 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
> wrote:


These look like bison profab enclosures... With a markup.

On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, Dennis Burgess
> wrote:

We use nothing but these anymore.  These are maybe bigger than
you asked, but most of the time we drop in a two or three
rackmount units, plus some power or something on the backplate.


http://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=506=0

Also, all of our new shinny towers in the area require
stainless steel, nothing that I can rust can be used on-site. 
:( Shippiing is basically the same on 4 vs 1 though.  Very light.


Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103
 – www.linktechs.net


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 6:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] weatherproof enclosure

what are you guys using for weatherproof enclosure? I am
looking for one that can host an small miktroik router and 4-6
poes with cable what do you guys say to use?

Re: [AFMUG] weatherproof enclosure

[Josh Reynolds]

Ours were bare aluminum, no fans, nothing fancy.
On Feb 10, 2016 5:53 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
wrote:

> My quote was in that neighborhood as well. It has been a while since I
> checked though.
>
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> Uh, I remember paying $400ish for one 24x19x24, with rail. 2 was  $900ish
>> after shipping to Alaska.
>>
>> Have they really gone up that much???
>> On Feb 10, 2016 5:31 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:
>>
>>> I have a quote from Bison for the 24x24" rack version with universal
>>> tower/pole mount brackets. Over $700. So I don't think Dennis is doing much
>>> mark-up, if any. Just wanted to point that out.
>>>
>>> On 2/10/2016 5:26 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>>
>>> I was thinking the same thing
>>> On Feb 10, 2016 1:43 PM, "Jason McKemie" <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
 These look like bison profab enclosures... With a markup.

 On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, Dennis Burgess <
 dmburg...@linktechs.net> wrote:

> We use nothing but these anymore.  These are maybe bigger than you
> asked, but most of the time we drop in a two or three rackmount units, 
> plus
> some power or something on the backplate.
>
>
> http://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=506=0
>
> Also, all of our new shinny towers in the area require stainless
> steel, nothing that I can rust can be used on-site.  :( Shippiing is
> basically the same on 4 vs 1 though.  Very light.
>
> Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
> den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – www.linktechs.net
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 6:24 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] weatherproof enclosure
>
> what are you guys using for weatherproof enclosure? I am looking for
> one that can host an small miktroik router and 4-6 poes with cable what do
> you guys say to use?
>
>
>
>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] weatherproof enclosure

[Jason McKemie]

My quote had a breakdown of the different elements, it wasn't much
difference for the base unit though.

On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Ours were bare aluminum, no fans, nothing fancy.
> On Feb 10, 2016 5:53 PM, "Jason McKemie"  > wrote:
>
>> My quote was in that neighborhood as well. It has been a while since I
>> checked though.
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, Josh Reynolds > > wrote:
>>
>>> Uh, I remember paying $400ish for one 24x19x24, with rail. 2 was
>>> $900ish after shipping to Alaska.
>>>
>>> Have they really gone up that much???
>>> On Feb 10, 2016 5:31 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:
>>>
 I have a quote from Bison for the 24x24" rack version with universal
 tower/pole mount brackets. Over $700. So I don't think Dennis is doing much
 mark-up, if any. Just wanted to point that out.

 On 2/10/2016 5:26 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

 I was thinking the same thing
 On Feb 10, 2016 1:43 PM, "Jason McKemie" <
 j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> These look like bison profab enclosures... With a markup.
>
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, Dennis Burgess <
> dmburg...@linktechs.net> wrote:
>
>> We use nothing but these anymore.  These are maybe bigger than you
>> asked, but most of the time we drop in a two or three rackmount units, 
>> plus
>> some power or something on the backplate.
>>
>>
>> http://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=506=0
>>
>> Also, all of our new shinny towers in the area require stainless
>> steel, nothing that I can rust can be used on-site.  :( Shippiing is
>> basically the same on 4 vs 1 though.  Very light.
>>
>> Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
>> den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – www.linktechs.net
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 6:24 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] weatherproof enclosure
>>
>> what are you guys using for weatherproof enclosure? I am looking for
>> one that can host an small miktroik router and 4-6 poes with cable what 
>> do
>> you guys say to use?
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] weatherproof enclosure

[Jason McKemie]

Looks like they've gone up a LOT.

On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, George Skorup  wrote:

> Here's what I got last year.
>
> On 2/10/2016 6:05 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> My quote had a breakdown of the different elements, it wasn't much
> difference for the base unit though.
>
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, Josh Reynolds <
> j...@kyneticwifi.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Ours were bare aluminum, no fans, nothing fancy.
>> On Feb 10, 2016 5:53 PM, "Jason McKemie" <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My quote was in that neighborhood as well. It has been a while since I
>>> checked though.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, Josh Reynolds >> > wrote:
>>>
 Uh, I remember paying $400ish for one 24x19x24, with rail. 2 was
 $900ish after shipping to Alaska.

 Have they really gone up that much???
 On Feb 10, 2016 5:31 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

> I have a quote from Bison for the 24x24" rack version with universal
> tower/pole mount brackets. Over $700. So I don't think Dennis is doing 
> much
> mark-up, if any. Just wanted to point that out.
>
> On 2/10/2016 5:26 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> I was thinking the same thing
> On Feb 10, 2016 1:43 PM, "Jason McKemie" <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> These look like bison profab enclosures... With a markup.
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, Dennis Burgess <
>> dmburg...@linktechs.net> wrote:
>>
>>> We use nothing but these anymore.  These are maybe bigger than you
>>> asked, but most of the time we drop in a two or three rackmount units, 
>>> plus
>>> some power or something on the backplate.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=506=0
>>>
>>> Also, all of our new shinny towers in the area require stainless
>>> steel, nothing that I can rust can be used on-site.  :( Shippiing is
>>> basically the same on 4 vs 1 though.  Very light.
>>>
>>> Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
>>> den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 <314-735-0270%20x103> –
>>> www.linktechs.net
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 6:24 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] weatherproof enclosure
>>>
>>> what are you guys using for weatherproof enclosure? I am looking for
>>> one that can host an small miktroik router and 4-6 poes with cable what 
>>> do
>>> you guys say to use?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] weatherproof enclosure

[George Skorup]

Yeah, I think it's way too expensive and we never pulled the trigger on 
them.


On 2/10/2016 6:13 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

Looks like they've gone up a LOT.

On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, George Skorup > wrote:


Here's what I got last year.

On 2/10/2016 6:05 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

My quote had a breakdown of the different elements, it wasn't
much difference for the base unit though.

On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, Josh Reynolds
> wrote:

Ours were bare aluminum, no fans, nothing fancy.

On Feb 10, 2016 5:53 PM, "Jason McKemie"
 wrote:

My quote was in that neighborhood as well. It has been a
while since I checked though.

On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, Josh Reynolds
>
wrote:

Uh, I remember paying $400ish for one 24x19x24, with
rail. 2 was  $900ish after shipping to Alaska.

Have they really gone up that much???

On Feb 10, 2016 5:31 PM, "George Skorup"
 wrote:

I have a quote from Bison for the 24x24" rack
version with universal tower/pole mount brackets.
Over $700. So I don't think Dennis is doing much
mark-up, if any. Just wanted to point that out.

On 2/10/2016 5:26 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:


I was thinking the same thing

On Feb 10, 2016 1:43 PM, "Jason McKemie"
 wrote:

These look like bison profab enclosures...
With a markup.

On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, Dennis
Burgess  wrote:

We use nothing but these anymore.  These
are maybe bigger than you asked, but
most of the time we drop in a two or
three rackmount units, plus some power
or something on the backplate.


http://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=506=0

Also, all of our new shinny towers in
the area require stainless steel,
nothing that I can rust can be used
on-site.  :( Shippiing is basically the
same on 4 vs 1 though.  Very light.

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103
 –
www.linktechs.net 

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]
On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 6:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] weatherproof enclosure

what are you guys using for weatherproof
enclosure? I am looking for one that can
host an small miktroik router and 4-6
poes with cable what do you guys say to use?

Re: [AFMUG] weatherproof enclosure

[Josh Reynolds]

I was thinking the same thing
On Feb 10, 2016 1:43 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
wrote:

> These look like bison profab enclosures... With a markup.
>
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, Dennis Burgess 
> wrote:
>
>> We use nothing but these anymore.  These are maybe bigger than you asked,
>> but most of the time we drop in a two or three rackmount units, plus some
>> power or something on the backplate.
>>
>>
>> http://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=506=0
>>
>> Also, all of our new shinny towers in the area require stainless steel,
>> nothing that I can rust can be used on-site.  :( Shippiing is basically the
>> same on 4 vs 1 though.  Very light.
>>
>> Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
>> den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – www.linktechs.net
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 6:24 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] weatherproof enclosure
>>
>> what are you guys using for weatherproof enclosure? I am looking for one
>> that can host an small miktroik router and 4-6 poes with cable what do you
>> guys say to use?
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] weatherproof enclosure

[Jason McKemie]

My quote was in that neighborhood as well. It has been a while since I
checked though.

On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Uh, I remember paying $400ish for one 24x19x24, with rail. 2 was  $900ish
> after shipping to Alaska.
>
> Have they really gone up that much???
> On Feb 10, 2016 5:31 PM, "George Skorup"  > wrote:
>
>> I have a quote from Bison for the 24x24" rack version with universal
>> tower/pole mount brackets. Over $700. So I don't think Dennis is doing much
>> mark-up, if any. Just wanted to point that out.
>>
>> On 2/10/2016 5:26 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>
>> I was thinking the same thing
>> On Feb 10, 2016 1:43 PM, "Jason McKemie" <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> These look like bison profab enclosures... With a markup.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, Dennis Burgess <
>>> 
>>> dmburg...@linktechs.net
>>> > wrote:
>>>
 We use nothing but these anymore.  These are maybe bigger than you
 asked, but most of the time we drop in a two or three rackmount units, plus
 some power or something on the backplate.


 http://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=506=0

 Also, all of our new shinny towers in the area require stainless steel,
 nothing that I can rust can be used on-site.  :( Shippiing is basically the
 same on 4 vs 1 though.  Very light.

 Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
 den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – www.linktechs.net

 -Original Message-
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
 Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 6:24 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] weatherproof enclosure

 what are you guys using for weatherproof enclosure? I am looking for
 one that can host an small miktroik router and 4-6 poes with cable what do
 you guys say to use?




>>

Re: [AFMUG] Surprise BW Last night

[Josh Reynolds]

Either your wife has exceptional hearing and leaves the TV at a very low
volume, or your laptop is a beast :)

I'm loving my new laptop. Skylake i7, only 15W TDP.
On Feb 10, 2016 4:05 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> Microsoft certainly pushed out a big Windows Update yesterday.  My wife
> complained about the fan noise from my laptop interfering with her TV
> watching.  Windows Update Manager had the CPU pegged for a couple hours I
> think (for Win7 no less).  But that’s not really unusual for Patch
> Tuesday.  I think if Microsoft changes one line of code, they send out a
> new copy of everything.  Certainly different from doing a yum update where
> just the affected packages get updated.
>
>
> *From:* Paul Stewart 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 10, 2016 3:15 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Surprise BW Last night
>
>
> In our case it’s really hard to say .. we just seen generally higher
> traffic on all fronts – wasn’t narrowed down to anything in particular (ie.
> Windows updates, Apple updates, major streaming event etc)
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:47 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Surprise BW Last night
>
>
>
> what was cause of all the traffic?
>
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> Wireless Systems Architect
>
> 915-861-1390
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:44 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:
>
> Never sure whether to congratulate someone on that or not J
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe Novak
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:08 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Surprise BW Last night
>
>
>
> No kidding - we set a new record last night! Jeeze.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:52 AM, Tushar Patel  wrote:
>
> Same here. Monday nights are highest.
>
> Tushar
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 9, 2016, at 6:17 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:
>
> Yeah we sent from almost the lowest traffic level in the past year to a
> very busy evening last night.. although Monday nights are often our highest
> traffic levels all week
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Nate Burke
> *Sent:* Monday, February 8, 2016 11:10 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Surprise BW Last night
>
>
>
> Looks like they made up for it all tonight,  Highest levels in some time
> this evening.
>
> On 2/8/2016 10:34 AM, Joe Novak wrote:
>
> We dropped over 300mbit as soon as the game started. Just after the game
> we peaked 100mbit lower then the two previous nights.
>
>
>
> Sunday is usually our peak for the week averaging 10-15% higher then
> normal usage.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
> On 2/8/16 07:55, Nate Burke wrote:
>
> I was expecting record traffic levels with people streaming the 'Big
> Game' to multiple devices.  Cord cutters, and just because they could.
> But it actually ended up being lower than most Sunday nights.  Not even
> a pickup after the game ended.
>
>
>
> I don't think a lot of people want to watch something like the super bowl
> on their tiny screen smartphone or tablet or even computer except as a last
> resort. They want the biggest screen possible plus they'll care enough to
> learn HDTV OTA reception if they don't have cable or sat.
>
> ~Seth
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] weatherproof enclosure

[Josh Reynolds]

Uh, I remember paying $400ish for one 24x19x24, with rail. 2 was  $900ish
after shipping to Alaska.

Have they really gone up that much???
On Feb 10, 2016 5:31 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

> I have a quote from Bison for the 24x24" rack version with universal
> tower/pole mount brackets. Over $700. So I don't think Dennis is doing much
> mark-up, if any. Just wanted to point that out.
>
> On 2/10/2016 5:26 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> I was thinking the same thing
> On Feb 10, 2016 1:43 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
> wrote:
>
>> These look like bison profab enclosures... With a markup.
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, Dennis Burgess 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We use nothing but these anymore.  These are maybe bigger than you
>>> asked, but most of the time we drop in a two or three rackmount units, plus
>>> some power or something on the backplate.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=506=0
>>>
>>> Also, all of our new shinny towers in the area require stainless steel,
>>> nothing that I can rust can be used on-site.  :( Shippiing is basically the
>>> same on 4 vs 1 though.  Very light.
>>>
>>> Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
>>> den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – www.linktechs.net
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 6:24 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] weatherproof enclosure
>>>
>>> what are you guys using for weatherproof enclosure? I am looking for one
>>> that can host an small miktroik router and 4-6 poes with cable what do you
>>> guys say to use?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] weatherproof enclosure

[Josh Reynolds]

That's the same model we bought two of it looks like, but ours don't have
the brackets on the back.
On Feb 10, 2016 6:09 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

> Here's what I got last year.
>
> On 2/10/2016 6:05 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> My quote had a breakdown of the different elements, it wasn't much
> difference for the base unit though.
>
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> Ours were bare aluminum, no fans, nothing fancy.
>> On Feb 10, 2016 5:53 PM, "Jason McKemie" <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My quote was in that neighborhood as well. It has been a while since I
>>> checked though.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Uh, I remember paying $400ish for one 24x19x24, with rail. 2 was
 $900ish after shipping to Alaska.

 Have they really gone up that much???
 On Feb 10, 2016 5:31 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

> I have a quote from Bison for the 24x24" rack version with universal
> tower/pole mount brackets. Over $700. So I don't think Dennis is doing 
> much
> mark-up, if any. Just wanted to point that out.
>
> On 2/10/2016 5:26 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> I was thinking the same thing
> On Feb 10, 2016 1:43 PM, "Jason McKemie" <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> These look like bison profab enclosures... With a markup.
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, Dennis Burgess <
>> dmburg...@linktechs.net> wrote:
>>
>>> We use nothing but these anymore.  These are maybe bigger than you
>>> asked, but most of the time we drop in a two or three rackmount units, 
>>> plus
>>> some power or something on the backplate.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=506=0
>>>
>>> Also, all of our new shinny towers in the area require stainless
>>> steel, nothing that I can rust can be used on-site.  :( Shippiing is
>>> basically the same on 4 vs 1 though.  Very light.
>>>
>>> Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
>>> den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 <314-735-0270%20x103> –
>>> www.linktechs.net
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 6:24 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] weatherproof enclosure
>>>
>>> what are you guys using for weatherproof enclosure? I am looking for
>>> one that can host an small miktroik router and 4-6 poes with cable what 
>>> do
>>> you guys say to use?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] weatherproof enclosure

[Josh Reynolds]

I'm thinking about our boxes now, they may not be 24x24. Probably more like
18" tall. Searching through Google drive pics...
On Feb 10, 2016 6:13 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
wrote:

> Looks like they've gone up a LOT.
>
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, George Skorup  wrote:
>
>> Here's what I got last year.
>>
>> On 2/10/2016 6:05 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>
>> My quote had a breakdown of the different elements, it wasn't much
>> difference for the base unit though.
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ours were bare aluminum, no fans, nothing fancy.
>>> On Feb 10, 2016 5:53 PM, "Jason McKemie" <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
 My quote was in that neighborhood as well. It has been a while since I
 checked though.

 On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:

> Uh, I remember paying $400ish for one 24x19x24, with rail. 2 was
> $900ish after shipping to Alaska.
>
> Have they really gone up that much???
> On Feb 10, 2016 5:31 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:
>
>> I have a quote from Bison for the 24x24" rack version with universal
>> tower/pole mount brackets. Over $700. So I don't think Dennis is doing 
>> much
>> mark-up, if any. Just wanted to point that out.
>>
>> On 2/10/2016 5:26 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>
>> I was thinking the same thing
>> On Feb 10, 2016 1:43 PM, "Jason McKemie" <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> These look like bison profab enclosures... With a markup.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, Dennis Burgess <
>>> dmburg...@linktechs.net> wrote:
>>>
 We use nothing but these anymore.  These are maybe bigger than you
 asked, but most of the time we drop in a two or three rackmount units, 
 plus
 some power or something on the backplate.


 http://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=506=0

 Also, all of our new shinny towers in the area require stainless
 steel, nothing that I can rust can be used on-site.  :( Shippiing is
 basically the same on 4 vs 1 though.  Very light.

 Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
 den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 <314-735-0270%20x103> –
 www.linktechs.net

 -Original Message-
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
 Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 6:24 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] weatherproof enclosure

 what are you guys using for weatherproof enclosure? I am looking
 for one that can host an small miktroik router and 4-6 poes with cable 
 what
 do you guys say to use?




>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

[Lewis Bergman]

Dude, don't do that. LMR600. We buy it by the thousands of feet. It is much
easier to run, less prone to damage, and equivalent in loss per frequency
range.

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 4:09 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Andrew 1/2  Heliax
> On Feb 10, 2016 2:33 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
>> That's most helpful!  Do you have any idea what kind of cable that was?
>> I'm assuming anything that will handle 1600 MHz with minimal loss will work?
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Sam Kirsch  wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, I spoke to my field guy, he said they took an SMB <-> N Connector
>>> and ran LMR to the roof.  Hope that helps.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *-- Samuel Kirsch, Network SupportPlexicomm - Internet Solutions |
>>> www.plexicomm.net *
>>> *Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 <1.866.759.4678%20x109> | Fax:
>>> 1.866.852.4688 <1.866.852.4688>*
>>> *Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 <1.866.759.9713> |
>>> sam...@plexicomm.net *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "TJ Trout" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: 2/9/2016 9:42:37 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>>>
>>>
>>> It's an SMB connector, but again I find it really had to believe that if
>>> you stick it outside until you get a good sync and power it down that it
>>> won't resync indoors, I've never tried inside of a nuclear bunker, but in
>>> normal houses and offices with tile and metal roofs I've never had one
>>> issue.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>>
 Yeah. Something like that. All I recall is it was ~~ 1/4" or so in
 diameter. Don't quote me on that. I am disavowing all knowledge.

 bp
 


 On 2/9/2016 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 MCM as in MMC? Like MMCX?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Feb 9, 2016 9:34 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

> The Verizon cell extender (made by Samsung) has a little connector
> (don't recall the type, but it's about the size of MCM or so). Put a wire
> on the end of the coax, and you're there.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/9/2016 10:33 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> How did you get a GPS antenna from the roof to the SCS box?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:28 PM, samuel  wrote:
>
>> Verizon's Samsung SCS series 3G and 4G Network Extender is what I was
>> dealing with.  We had to run our own GPS antenna from the roof down to 
>> the
>> basement to get the damn thing to sync properly.
>>
>> As an aside, I didn't realize the Low E windows were code now, and
>> this is a very newly renovated building.  Will keep that in mind!
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Sam Kirsch, Network Tech Support
>> Plexicomm Internet Solutions
>> Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688
>>
>> sam...@plexicomm.net | Emergency Support:
>> 1.866.759.9713
>>
>>
>> --
>> -Original Message-
>> From: "Jaime Solorza" < 
>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>> To: "Animal Farm" < af@afmug.com>
>> Date: 02/09/16 10:39 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>>
>> cell booster or gps booster?
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> Wireless Systems Architect
>> 915-861-1390
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:15 AM, Sam Kirsch 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Pull out a GPS App on your phone and make sure you can actually read
>>> the satellites from behind the window (I used 'GPS Test' on Android). We
>>> had to install one of these boosters and were troubleshooting why the 
>>> damn
>>> thing wasn't working when I noticed that my phone GPS receiver was 
>>> working
>>> in rooms where the windows were open and not working in rooms where the
>>> windows were closed. Building management didn't even know they'd 
>>> purchased
>>> the windows with RF film.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *-- Samuel Kirsch, Network SupportPlexicomm - Internet Solutions |
>>> www.plexicomm.net 
>>> *
>>> *Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688*
>>>   *Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 | 
>>> sam...@plexicomm.net 

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

[Jaime Solorza]

I could have said I like the hardness of it with ribbed feel but it's Ash
Wednesday and I am going to give up racy jokes and sky diving for
Lent.ducking
On Feb 10, 2016 5:49 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Personal preference... having installed thousands and thousands feet of it
> since 1993have the tools for prepping cablesthe connectors install
> correctly will not come off by pulling or yanking them.   LMR feels like RG
> 58 thicker brother.I have used LMR when supplied by client.   I can
> drive 15 minutes to Epcom and buy it along with connectors.  No wait no
> shipping cost.
> Yes it can be damaged by bending or kinking it.   So for newbies I concede
> your point.   I prefer Betty over Veronica  and Mary Ann over Ginger. So
> that's my story and I am sticking to it.
> On Feb 10, 2016 5:39 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
>> Do you have a reason to prefer it? Most people who have little experience
>> will end up damaging heliax or leaving slivers on the dialectical face
>> causing issues. Besides, if you are running it inside a building, LMR600 is
>> much less likely to be damaged. 1/2" is at least 75 cents more  foot.
>> Unless you are running several hundred feet it is unlikely to make any
>> difference.
>>
>>  LMR 600LDF4-50A
>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 30 MHz .4.463
>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 150 MHz 1.0  .815
>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 450 MHz 1.7 1.45
>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 824 MHz N/A  2.0
>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 896 MHz 2.5  2.09
>> cable size .590"   1/2"
>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 960 MHz N/A  2.17
>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 1700 MHz 3.7   2.97
>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 2500 MHz 4.4   NA
>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 5900 MHz 7.3   NAOn the other hand, if you
>> really like it I'll give you a hell of a deal on a TON of 1/2" and 1/4"
>> Andrews connectors.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 6:23 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I prefer HeliaxI use LMR for pigtails but rarelywe also use
>>> Andrew superflex
>>> On Feb 10, 2016 5:16 PM, "Lewis Bergman" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Dude, don't do that. LMR600. We buy it by the thousands of feet. It is
 much easier to run, less prone to damage, and equivalent in loss per
 frequency range.

 On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 4:09 PM Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:

> Andrew 1/2  Heliax
> On Feb 10, 2016 2:33 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
>> That's most helpful!  Do you have any idea what kind of cable that
>> was?  I'm assuming anything that will handle 1600 MHz with minimal loss
>> will work?
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Sam Kirsch 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, I spoke to my field guy, he said they took an SMB <-> N
>>> Connector and ran LMR to the roof.  Hope that helps.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *-- Samuel Kirsch, Network SupportPlexicomm - Internet Solutions |
>>> www.plexicomm.net *
>>> *Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 <1.866.759.4678%20x109> | Fax:
>>> 1.866.852.4688 <1.866.852.4688>*
>>> *Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 <1.866.759.9713> |
>>> sam...@plexicomm.net *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "TJ Trout" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: 2/9/2016 9:42:37 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>>>
>>>
>>> It's an SMB connector, but again I find it really had to believe
>>> that if you stick it outside until you get a good sync and power it down
>>> that it won't resync indoors, I've never tried inside of a nuclear 
>>> bunker,
>>> but in normal houses and offices with tile and metal roofs I've never 
>>> had
>>> one issue.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Bill Prince 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yeah. Something like that. All I recall is it was ~~ 1/4" or so in
 diameter. Don't quote me on that. I am disavowing all knowledge.

 bp
 


 On 2/9/2016 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 MCM as in MMC? Like MMCX?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Feb 9, 2016 9:34 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

> The Verizon cell extender (made by Samsung) has a little connector
> (don't recall the type, but it's about the size of MCM or so). Put a 
> wire

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

[Ken Hohhof]

Haha, regarding no one ever got fired for buying Cisco.  I was helping a 
customer today figure out a remote site we don’t serve, he was on the phone and 
sending me photos of what their corporate IT had set up.  There was a shiny new 
Cisco 1921 router in the rack connected to a Westell box on the wall that I 
assumed was a T1 smartjack.  But I had him read me the P/N on the WIC card, and 
it was a WIC-1AM-V2.  I looked it up, and that’s a V.92 analog modem card.  
They bought a whole 1921 router for a dialup modem line.


From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 6:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

Yea, I have been installing connectors on it since 1975. When you do install 
thousands have the right to for both, lmr600 still is faster with just as good 
and solid a connector. Multiply the time savings by a few hundred connections 
on a job and it really adds up.
But, kind of like Cisco. Nobody ever got fired for using it.



On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 6:49 PM Jaime Solorza  wrote:

  Personal preference... having installed thousands and thousands feet of it 
since 1993have the tools for prepping cablesthe connectors install 
correctly will not come off by pulling or yanking them.   LMR feels like RG 58 
thicker brother.I have used LMR when supplied by client.   I can drive 15 
minutes to Epcom and buy it along with connectors.  No wait no shipping cost.
  Yes it can be damaged by bending or kinking it.   So for newbies I concede 
your point.   I prefer Betty over Veronica  and Mary Ann over Ginger. So that's 
my story and I am sticking to it.  

  On Feb 10, 2016 5:39 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

Do you have a reason to prefer it? Most people who have little experience 
will end up damaging heliax or leaving slivers on the dialectical face causing 
issues. Besides, if you are running it inside a building, LMR600 is much less 
likely to be damaged. 1/2" is at least 75 cents more  foot. Unless you are 
running several hundred feet it is unlikely to make any difference. 

   LMR 600LDF4-50A
  attenuation,dB/100ft@ 30 MHz .4.463 
  attenuation,dB/100ft@ 150 MHz 1.0  .815 
  attenuation,dB/100ft@ 450 MHz 1.7 1.45 
  attenuation,dB/100ft@ 824 MHz N/A  2.0 
  attenuation,dB/100ft@ 896 MHz 2.5  2.09 
  cable size .590"   1/2" 
  attenuation,dB/100ft@ 960 MHz N/A  2.17 
  attenuation,dB/100ft@ 1700 MHz 3.7   2.97 
  attenuation,dB/100ft@ 2500 MHz 4.4   NA 
  attenuation,dB/100ft@ 5900 MHz 7.3   NA 
On the other hand, if you really like it I'll give you a hell of a deal on 
a TON of 1/2" and 1/4" Andrews connectors. 

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 6:23 PM Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

  I prefer HeliaxI use LMR for pigtails but rarelywe also use 
Andrew superflex

  On Feb 10, 2016 5:16 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

Dude, don't do that. LMR600. We buy it by the thousands of feet. It is 
much easier to run, less prone to damage, and equivalent in loss per frequency 
range.



On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 4:09 PM Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

  Andrew 1/2  Heliax 

  On Feb 10, 2016 2:33 PM, "Josh Luthman"  
wrote:

That's most helpful!  Do you have any idea what kind of cable that 
was?  I'm assuming anything that will handle 1600 MHz with minimal loss will 
work?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Sam Kirsch  
wrote:

  Yeah, I spoke to my field guy, he said they took an SMB <-> N 
Connector and ran LMR to the roof.  Hope that helps.


  -- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support
  Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net
  Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688
  Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 | sam...@plexicomm.net



  -- Original Message --
  From: "TJ Trout" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 2/9/2016 9:42:37 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

It's an SMB connector, but again I find it really had to 
believe that if you stick it outside until you get a good sync and power it 
down that it won't resync indoors, I've never tried inside of a nuclear bunker, 
but in normal houses and offices with tile and metal roofs I've never had one 
issue.

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Bill Prince 

Re: [AFMUG] weatherproof enclosure

[Bill Prince]

That actually doesn't look too bad. Is that plain aluminum or an alloy? 
Wonder how it would hold up in our coastal environment?


We've had the best luck with fiberglass/composite enclosures, but 
diamond plate aluminum has held up well too.


bp


On 2/10/2016 4:09 PM, George Skorup wrote:

Here's what I got last year.

On 2/10/2016 6:05 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
My quote had a breakdown of the different elements, it wasn't much 
difference for the base unit though.


On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, Josh Reynolds  
wrote:


Ours were bare aluminum, no fans, nothing fancy.

On Feb 10, 2016 5:53 PM, "Jason McKemie"
>
wrote:

My quote was in that neighborhood as well. It has been a
while since I checked though.

On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, Josh Reynolds
 wrote:

Uh, I remember paying $400ish for one 24x19x24, with
rail. 2 was  $900ish after shipping to Alaska.

Have they really gone up that much???

On Feb 10, 2016 5:31 PM, "George Skorup"
 wrote:

I have a quote from Bison for the 24x24" rack version
with universal tower/pole mount brackets. Over $700.
So I don't think Dennis is doing much mark-up, if
any. Just wanted to point that out.

On 2/10/2016 5:26 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:


I was thinking the same thing

On Feb 10, 2016 1:43 PM, "Jason McKemie"
 wrote:

These look like bison profab enclosures... With
a markup.

On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, Dennis Burgess
 wrote:

We use nothing but these anymore.  These are
maybe bigger than you asked, but most of the
time we drop in a two or three rackmount
units, plus some power or something on the
backplate.


http://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=506=0

Also, all of our new shinny towers in the
area require stainless steel, nothing that I
can rust can be used on-site.  :( Shippiing
is basically the same on 4 vs 1 though. 
Very light.


Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103
 –
www.linktechs.net 

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On
Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 6:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] weatherproof enclosure

what are you guys using for weatherproof
enclosure? I am looking for one that can
host an small miktroik router and 4-6 poes
with cable what do you guys say to use?

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Is it possible that you are mistaken about this (being a diaup router etc..) 

It is not un-common to have a 'managed' t1 router deployed with a OOB dial-up 
modem connection. 
Cisco router being used as an MPLS managed end-point, or a firewall / vpn etc. 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Ken Hohhof" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 8:01:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

> Haha, regarding no one ever got fired for buying Cisco. I was helping a 
> customer
> today figure out a remote site we don’t serve, he was on the phone and sending
> me photos of what their corporate IT had set up. There was a shiny new Cisco
> 1921 router in the rack connected to a Westell box on the wall that I assumed
> was a T1 smartjack. But I had him read me the P/N on the WIC card, and it was 
> a
> WIC-1AM-V2. I looked it up, and that’s a V.92 analog modem card. They bought a
> whole 1921 router for a dialup modem line.
> From: Lewis Bergman
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 6:55 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

> Yea, I have been installing connectors on it since 1975. When you do install
> thousands have the right to for both, lmr600 still is faster with just as good
> and solid a connector. Multiply the time savings by a few hundred connections
> on a job and it really adds up.
> But, kind of like Cisco. Nobody ever got fired for using it.
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 6:49 PM Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > 
> wrote:

>> Personal preference... having installed thousands and thousands feet of it 
>> since
>> 1993have the tools for prepping cablesthe connectors install 
>> correctly
>> will not come off by pulling or yanking them. LMR feels like RG 58 thicker
>> brother. I have used LMR when supplied by client. I can drive 15 minutes to
>> Epcom and buy it along with connectors. No wait no shipping cost.
>> Yes it can be damaged by bending or kinking it. So for newbies I concede your
>> point. I prefer Betty over Veronica and Mary Ann over Ginger. So that's my
>> story and I am sticking to it.
>> On Feb 10, 2016 5:39 PM, "Lewis Bergman" < lewis.berg...@gmail.com > wrote:

>>> Do you have a reason to prefer it? Most people who have little experience 
>>> will
>>> end up damaging heliax or leaving slivers on the dialectical face causing
>>> issues. Besides, if you are running it inside a building, LMR600 is much 
>>> less
>>> likely to be damaged. 1/2" is at least 75 cents more foot. Unless you are
>>> running several hundred feet it is unlikely to make any difference.
>>> LMR 600 LDF4-50A
>>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 30 MHz.4 .463
>>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 150 MHz   1.0 .815
>>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 450 MHz   1.7 1.45
>>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 824 MHz   N/A 2.0
>>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 896 MHz   2.5 2.09
>>> cable size  .590" 1/2"
>>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 960 MHz   N/A 2.17
>>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 1700 MHz  3.7 2.97
>>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 2500 MHz  4.4 NA
>>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 5900 MHz  7.3 NA On the other hand, if you really 
>>> like it
>>> I'll give you a hell of a deal on a TON of 1/2" and 1/4" Andrews connectors.
>>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 6:23 PM Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com >
>>> wrote:

 I prefer HeliaxI use LMR for pigtails but rarelywe also use Andrew
 superflex
 On Feb 10, 2016 5:16 PM, "Lewis Bergman" < lewis.berg...@gmail.com > wrote:

> Dude, don't do that. LMR600. We buy it by the thousands of feet. It is 
> much
> easier to run, less prone to damage, and equivalent in loss per frequency
> range.
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 4:09 PM Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > 
> wrote:

>> Andrew 1/2 Heliax
>> On Feb 10, 2016 2:33 PM, "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
>> wrote:

>>> That's most helpful! Do you have any idea what kind of cable that was? 
>>> I'm
>>> assuming anything that will handle 1600 MHz with minimal loss will work?
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Sam Kirsch < sam...@plexicomm.net > 
>>> wrote:

 Yeah, I spoke to my field guy, he said they took an SMB <-> N 
 Connector and ran
 LMR to the roof. Hope that helps.
 -- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support
 Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net
 Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688

 Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 | sam...@plexicomm.net
 -- Original Message --
 From: "TJ Trout" < t...@voltbb.com >
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: 2/9/2016 9:42:37 PM
 

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

[Lewis Bergman]

Yea, I have been installing connectors on it since 1975. When you do
install thousands have the right to for both, lmr600 still is faster with
just as good and solid a connector. Multiply the time savings by a few
hundred connections on a job and it really adds up.
But, kind of like Cisco. Nobody ever got fired for using it.

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 6:49 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Personal preference... having installed thousands and thousands feet of it
> since 1993have the tools for prepping cablesthe connectors install
> correctly will not come off by pulling or yanking them.   LMR feels like RG
> 58 thicker brother.I have used LMR when supplied by client.   I can
> drive 15 minutes to Epcom and buy it along with connectors.  No wait no
> shipping cost.
> Yes it can be damaged by bending or kinking it.   So for newbies I concede
> your point.   I prefer Betty over Veronica  and Mary Ann over Ginger. So
> that's my story and I am sticking to it.
> On Feb 10, 2016 5:39 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
>> Do you have a reason to prefer it? Most people who have little experience
>> will end up damaging heliax or leaving slivers on the dialectical face
>> causing issues. Besides, if you are running it inside a building, LMR600 is
>> much less likely to be damaged. 1/2" is at least 75 cents more  foot.
>> Unless you are running several hundred feet it is unlikely to make any
>> difference.
>>
>>  LMR 600LDF4-50A
>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 30 MHz .4.463
>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 150 MHz 1.0  .815
>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 450 MHz 1.7 1.45
>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 824 MHz N/A  2.0
>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 896 MHz 2.5  2.09
>> cable size .590"   1/2"
>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 960 MHz N/A  2.17
>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 1700 MHz 3.7   2.97
>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 2500 MHz 4.4   NA
>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 5900 MHz 7.3   NAOn the other hand, if you
>> really like it I'll give you a hell of a deal on a TON of 1/2" and 1/4"
>> Andrews connectors.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 6:23 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I prefer HeliaxI use LMR for pigtails but rarelywe also use
>>> Andrew superflex
>>> On Feb 10, 2016 5:16 PM, "Lewis Bergman" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Dude, don't do that. LMR600. We buy it by the thousands of feet. It is
 much easier to run, less prone to damage, and equivalent in loss per
 frequency range.

 On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 4:09 PM Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:

> Andrew 1/2  Heliax
> On Feb 10, 2016 2:33 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
>> That's most helpful!  Do you have any idea what kind of cable that
>> was?  I'm assuming anything that will handle 1600 MHz with minimal loss
>> will work?
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Sam Kirsch 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, I spoke to my field guy, he said they took an SMB <-> N
>>> Connector and ran LMR to the roof.  Hope that helps.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *-- Samuel Kirsch, Network SupportPlexicomm - Internet Solutions |
>>> www.plexicomm.net *
>>> *Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 <1.866.759.4678%20x109> | Fax:
>>> 1.866.852.4688 <1.866.852.4688>*
>>> *Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 <1.866.759.9713> |
>>> sam...@plexicomm.net *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "TJ Trout" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: 2/9/2016 9:42:37 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>>>
>>>
>>> It's an SMB connector, but again I find it really had to believe
>>> that if you stick it outside until you get a good sync and power it down
>>> that it won't resync indoors, I've never tried inside of a nuclear 
>>> bunker,
>>> but in normal houses and offices with tile and metal roofs I've never 
>>> had
>>> one issue.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Bill Prince 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yeah. Something like that. All I recall is it was ~~ 1/4" or so in
 diameter. Don't quote me on that. I am disavowing all knowledge.

 bp
 


 On 2/9/2016 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 MCM as in MMC? Like MMCX?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Feb 9, 2016 9:34 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

[Jaime Solorza]

Never have been a fan of Cisco folksnot all...but most think they walk
on water.. I am taking more to wireless side of Cisco
On Feb 10, 2016 6:01 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> Haha, regarding no one ever got fired for buying Cisco.  I was helping a
> customer today figure out a remote site we don’t serve, he was on the phone
> and sending me photos of what their corporate IT had set up.  There was a
> shiny new Cisco 1921 router in the rack connected to a Westell box on the
> wall that I assumed was a T1 smartjack.  But I had him read me the P/N on
> the WIC card, and it was a WIC-1AM-V2.  I looked it up, and that’s a V.92
> analog modem card.  They bought a whole 1921 router for a dialup modem line.
>
>
> *From:* Lewis Bergman 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 10, 2016 6:55 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>
>
> Yea, I have been installing connectors on it since 1975. When you do
> install thousands have the right to for both, lmr600 still is faster with
> just as good and solid a connector. Multiply the time savings by a few
> hundred connections on a job and it really adds up.
> But, kind of like Cisco. Nobody ever got fired for using it.
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 6:49 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Personal preference... having installed thousands and thousands feet of
>> it since 1993have the tools for prepping cablesthe connectors
>> install correctly will not come off by pulling or yanking them.   LMR feels
>> like RG 58 thicker brother.I have used LMR when supplied by client.   I
>> can drive 15 minutes to Epcom and buy it along with connectors.  No wait no
>> shipping cost.
>> Yes it can be damaged by bending or kinking it.   So for newbies I
>> concede your point.   I prefer Betty over Veronica  and Mary Ann over
>> Ginger. So that's my story and I am sticking to it.
>> On Feb 10, 2016 5:39 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>>
>>> Do you have a reason to prefer it? Most people who have little
>>> experience will end up damaging heliax or leaving slivers on the
>>> dialectical face causing issues. Besides, if you are running it inside a
>>> building, LMR600 is much less likely to be damaged. 1/2" is at least 75
>>> cents more  foot. Unless you are running several hundred feet it is
>>> unlikely to make any difference.
>>>
>>> LMR 600LDF4-50A
>>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 30 MHz .4.463
>>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 150 MHz 1.0  .815
>>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 450 MHz 1.7 1.45
>>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 824 MHz N/A  2.0
>>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 896 MHz 2.5  2.09
>>> cable size .590"   1/2"
>>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 960 MHz N/A  2.17
>>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 1700 MHz 3.7   2.97
>>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 2500 MHz 4.4   NA
>>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 5900 MHz 7.3   NAOn the other hand, if
>>> you really like it I'll give you a hell of a deal on a TON of 1/2" and 1/4"
>>> Andrews connectors.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 6:23 PM Jaime Solorza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I prefer HeliaxI use LMR for pigtails but rarelywe also use
 Andrew superflex
 On Feb 10, 2016 5:16 PM, "Lewis Bergman" 
 wrote:

> Dude, don't do that. LMR600. We buy it by the thousands of feet. It is
> much easier to run, less prone to damage, and equivalent in loss per
> frequency range.
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 4:09 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Andrew 1/2  Heliax
>> On Feb 10, 2016 2:33 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That's most helpful!  Do you have any idea what kind of cable that
>>> was?  I'm assuming anything that will handle 1600 MHz with minimal loss
>>> will work?
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Sam Kirsch 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yeah, I spoke to my field guy, he said they took an SMB <-> N
 Connector and ran LMR to the roof.  Hope that helps.



 *-- Samuel Kirsch, Network SupportPlexicomm - Internet Solutions |
 www.plexicomm.net *
 *Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 <1.866.759.4678%20x109> | Fax:
 1.866.852.4688 <1.866.852.4688>*
 *Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 <1.866.759.9713> |
 sam...@plexicomm.net *



 -- Original Message --
 From: "TJ Trout" 
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: 2/9/2016 9:42:37 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"


 It's an SMB connector, but again I 

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

[Bill Prince]

Are we still talking about a GPS cable for a $100 femtocell??!?

bp


On 2/10/2016 4:16 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:


Dude, don't do that. LMR600. We buy it by the thousands of feet. It is 
much easier to run, less prone to damage, and equivalent in loss per 
frequency range.



On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 4:09 PM Jaime Solorza > wrote:


Andrew 1/2  Heliax

On Feb 10, 2016 2:33 PM, "Josh Luthman"
>
wrote:

That's most helpful!  Do you have any idea what kind of cable
that was?  I'm assuming anything that will handle 1600 MHz
with minimal loss will work?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Sam Kirsch
> wrote:

Yeah, I spoke to my field guy, he said they took an SMB
<-> N Connector and ran LMR to the roof.  Hope that helps.
*-- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support
Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net
**
Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109  |
Fax: 1.866.852.4688 *
*Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713  |
*sam...@plexicomm.net* *
-- Original Message --
From: "TJ Trout" >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 2/9/2016 9:42:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

It's an SMB connector, but again I find it really had to
believe that if you stick it outside until you get a good
sync and power it down that it won't resync indoors, I've
never tried inside of a nuclear bunker, but in normal
houses and offices with tile and metal roofs I've never
had one issue.

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Bill Prince
> wrote:

Yeah. Something like that. All I recall is it was ~~
1/4" or so in diameter. Don't quote me on that. I am
disavowing all knowledge.

bp


On 2/9/2016 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


MCM as in MMC? Like MMCX?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Feb 9, 2016 9:34 PM, "Bill Prince"
>
wrote:

The Verizon cell extender (made by Samsung) has
a little connector (don't recall the type, but
it's about the size of MCM or so). Put a wire on
the end of the coax, and you're there.

bp


On 2/9/2016 10:33 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

How did you get a GPS antenna from the roof to
the SCS box?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:28 PM, samuel
> wrote:

Verizon's Samsung SCS series 3G and 4G
Network Extender is what I was dealing
with. We had to run our own GPS antenna
from the roof down to the basement to get
the damn thing to sync properly.

As an aside, I didn't realize the Low E
windows were code now, and this is a very
newly renovated building. Will keep that in
mind!

-- Sam Kirsch, Network Tech Support
Plexicomm Internet Solutions
Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109
 | Fax:
1.866.852.4688 

sam...@plexicomm.net
 | Emergency
Support: 1.866.759.9713 




-Original Message-
   

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

[Lewis Bergman]

Yea. Cisco is another company that realized they could leverage their name
by buying some crap, slapping a logo on it, and jacking the price. They
never realized there are a bunch of people that then think a lot less of
the brand.
Kind of like Black They used to make strictly great stuff decades
ago then they started making a discount brand and you could never tell
after that if you were buying their crap or good line. Now everything they
sell is crap.

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 7:19 PM Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> Is it possible that you are mistaken about this (being a diaup router
> etc..)
>
> It is not un-common to have a 'managed' t1 router deployed with a  OOB
> dial-up modem connection.
> Cisco router being used as an MPLS managed end-point, or a firewall / vpn
> etc.
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
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>
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>
> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 10, 2016 8:01:12 PM
>
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>
> Haha, regarding no one ever got fired for buying Cisco.  I was helping a
> customer today figure out a remote site we don’t serve, he was on the phone
> and sending me photos of what their corporate IT had set up.  There was a
> shiny new Cisco 1921 router in the rack connected to a Westell box on the
> wall that I assumed was a T1 smartjack.  But I had him read me the P/N on
> the WIC card, and it was a WIC-1AM-V2.  I looked it up, and that’s a V.92
> analog modem card.  They bought a whole 1921 router for a dialup modem line.
>
>
>
> *From:* Lewis Bergman 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 10, 2016 6:55 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>
> Yea, I have been installing connectors on it since 1975. When you do
> install thousands have the right to for both, lmr600 still is faster with
> just as good and solid a connector. Multiply the time savings by a few
> hundred connections on a job and it really adds up.
> But, kind of like Cisco. Nobody ever got fired for using it.
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 6:49 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Personal preference... having installed thousands and thousands feet of
>> it since 1993have the tools for prepping cablesthe connectors
>> install correctly will not come off by pulling or yanking them.   LMR feels
>> like RG 58 thicker brother.I have used LMR when supplied by client.   I
>> can drive 15 minutes to Epcom and buy it along with connectors.  No wait no
>> shipping cost.
>> Yes it can be damaged by bending or kinking it.   So for newbies I
>> concede your point.   I prefer Betty over Veronica  and Mary Ann over
>> Ginger. So that's my story and I am sticking to it.
>> On Feb 10, 2016 5:39 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>>
>>> Do you have a reason to prefer it? Most people who have little
>>> experience will end up damaging heliax or leaving slivers on the
>>> dialectical face causing issues. Besides, if you are running it inside a
>>> building, LMR600 is much less likely to be damaged. 1/2" is at least 75
>>> cents more  foot. Unless you are running several hundred feet it is
>>> unlikely to make any difference.
>>>
>>> LMR 600LDF4-50A
>>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 30 MHz .4.463
>>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 150 MHz 1.0  .815
>>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 450 MHz 1.7 1.45
>>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 824 MHz N/A  2.0
>>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 896 MHz 2.5  2.09
>>> cable size .590"   1/2"
>>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 960 MHz N/A  2.17
>>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 1700 MHz 3.7   2.97
>>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 2500 MHz 4.4   NA
>>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 5900 MHz 7.3   NAOn the other hand, if
>>> you really like it I'll give you a hell of a deal on a TON of 1/2" and 1/4"
>>> Andrews connectors.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 6:23 PM Jaime Solorza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I prefer HeliaxI use LMR for pigtails but rarelywe also use
 Andrew superflex
 On Feb 10, 2016 5:16 PM, "Lewis Bergman" 
 wrote:

> Dude, don't do that. LMR600. We buy it by the thousands of feet. It is
> much easier to run, less prone to damage, and equivalent in loss per
> frequency range.
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 4:09 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Andrew 1/2  Heliax
>> On Feb 10, 2016 2:33 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That's most helpful!  Do you have any idea what kind of cable that
>>> was?  I'm assuming anything that will handle 1600 MHz with minimal loss
>>> will work?
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: