Re: [AFMUG] WTB: Packetflux Generator Controller

[Gino Villarini]

$100 ?

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 8:58 PM, Gerard Dupont III 
wrote:

> I have one sitting on my desk that's still in the bag/box. Pre ordered
> it and never did anything with it once it came in. Give me whatever you
> think is fair and I'll get it shipped tomorrow.
>
> Gerard
>
> On Tuesday, May 24, 2016, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>
>> yes
>>
>> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 8:23 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>>
>>> Did Forrest discontinue it!?
>>>
>>> On 5/24/2016 6:57 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>>>
 Anyone has units for sale?

>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] WTB: Packetflux Generator Controller

[Gino Villarini]

80? i must have been your bigger  buyer them... i believe we have over 10?

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 9:37 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> Sort of.
>
> We sold a total of around 80 (over a few years).   There were some
> manufacturability issues which needed to be dealt with (why there's 80
> instead of 100 - not  a good yield).   Fixing those with the current design
> isn't really practical.   Reordering and making just a few more of the
> existing design is also prohibitive due to some minimum orders for parts
> I'm no longer using other than on that board.   Or summarized:  We really
> can't cost effectively make any more of the existing design, especially at
> the volumes we're moving (1-2/month if we're lucky).
>
> The good news is that the next iteration of the sitemonitor base units
> will actually be able to do everything that standby power controller did,
> and a whole lot more.   The intent is to circle around and build a new
> standby power controller board which runs the new sitemonitor firmware.
> This was supposed to be done by now, but the processor switch for the new
> base units was anything but the smooth transition we had hoped.
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 6:23 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>
>> Did Forrest discontinue it!?
>>
>> On 5/24/2016 6:57 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone has units for sale?
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] WTB: Packetflux Generator Controller

[Gino Villarini]

not ASAP, but if you can sell it, let me know

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 8:58 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> Ah man. That thing is awesome. I have one. We're probably going to change
> up our double transfer switch setup at the office. My design wasn't going
> to work the way I wanted it to. So I might not need the PacketFlux
> controller.
>
> Let me check with the boss and see if he's cool selling you this one. Do
> you need one ASAP?
>
> On 5/24/2016 7:25 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>
> yes
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 8:23 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>
>> Did Forrest discontinue it!?
>>
>> On 5/24/2016 6:57 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone has units for sale?
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] SM Isolation Question

[Gino Villarini]

you cant route between them? thats weird! it seems you have assigned ip
space on the same block...

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 8:51 PM, Gerard Dupont III 
wrote:

> On our fiber network I use port isolation and mac forced forwarding(not
> available in MikroTik) to accomplish layer2 isolation but still allow
> client to client unicast traffic.
>
> Proxy arp is as close to MACFF as you can get in MikroTik. I think you
> should be able to use option 2 if you use a different vlan per customer
> site(use the default vlan setting in each canopy SM so each site has
> a unique vlan) then enable proxy arp for each vlan in your router. I don't
> remember if you have to have an ip on the vlan for it to work or not. If
> it doesn't work try adding an ip on each vlan. So you don't waste ips you
> can use point to point addressing. IE address=routerip/32
> network=customerIpForThisVlan. You might be able to get by with some static
> arp entries instead of adding an ip to each vlan. I'm not sure how MikroTik
> handles that.
>
> I suck at explaining myself so I hope this makes sense. You can contact me
> offlist if you want to chat/talk about it.
>
> Gerard
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 24, 2016, Craig Schmaderer 
> wrote:
>
>> Example:
>>
>> I have a 450 Access Point that has 3 sms belonging to one company with 3
>> sites.
>>
>> This client wants to have vpns between all locations.  They are all on
>> the same layer 2 network (same vlan)
>>
>>
>>
>> Options and expected outcomes
>>
>> · Disable SM Isolation (the default selection). This allows full
>> communication between SMs.
>>
>> -  Works fine, all traffic can pass, Expected…..
>>
>>
>>
>> · Enable Option 1 - Block SM destined packets from being forwarded. This
>> prevents both multicast/broadcast and unicast SM-to-SM communication.
>>
>> -  Doesn’t work, can establish connections between sms.
>> Expected……
>>
>>
>>
>> · Enable Option 2 - Forward SM destined packets upstream. This not only
>> prevents multicast/broadcast and unicast SM-to-SM communication but also
>> sends the packets, which otherwise may have been handled SM to SM, through
>> the Ethernet port of the AP.
>>
>> -  Doesn’t work, I thought this would work, I assumed all
>> packets would be sent upstream to the router than the router would send it
>> back to the clients, similar to how mac forced forwarding works on my fiber
>> network.
>>
>>
>>
>> So I guess my question is “Am I totally miss understanding what option 2
>> does?  Is the only possible way to allow vpn traffic between sms on the
>> same access points have to have “Disable SM Isolation set?”
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks, Craig.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Craig R. Schmaderer*
>>
>> *CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.*
>>
>> *Ph: 402-372-1975 <402-372-1975> | Fax: 402-372-1058 <402-372-1058>*
>>
>> *Direct: 402-372-1052 <402-372-1052>*
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Texan Who Posted Extreme Views Loses Runoff for State Education Post

[Lewis Bergman]

But are you now willing to say those Texans are the geniuses they now
appear to be?

On Wed, May 25, 2016, 12:25 AM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> I am relieved
>
> Texan Who Posted Extreme Views Loses Runoff for State Education Post
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/25/us/texan-who-posted-extreme-views-loses-runoff-for-state-education-post.html
>

Re: [AFMUG] ipv4 vs ipv6 FIB size

[Mike Hammett]

Most content is available on IPv6. I think Amazon is the extent of the big guys 
that aren't IPv6. 

It is a lot more efficient too, from a routes advertised perspective. You 
likely ever only need 1 IPv6 block. How many IPv4 blocks do you have? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Sterling Jacobson"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:27:18 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ipv4 vs ipv6 FIB size 



To wit? 

Not sure if this gives credence to my frustration with the whole IPv6 
‘transition’ and lack of IPv4, or if it means IPv6 is somehow more optimal. 

I’m thinking the former. 

And I’m thinking it’s the CDN/content providers fault. 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 10:16 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] ipv4 vs ipv6 FIB size 





I've been running a script for the last few months which grabs the current size 
of the ipv4 and ipv6 FIBs for a full routing table, once a day, and writes it 
to an RRA. 
here's the results: 

http://imgur.com/a/iJfPT 


That chart with the green is actually drawing both v4 and v6 on the same chart. 
That almost impossible to see blue line at the bottom of the chart? That's the 
v6. For comparison, a standalone v6 chart is the second image. 

[AFMUG] R200/R201 vs 844E

[Christopher Gray]

I'm trying to get a sense of whether the benefits of the 844E are worth the
additional cost relative to the R200/R201. Does anyone have any good
experience with the Calix and Cambium hardware and monitoring?

I've been using the Cambium system. The routers are mostly stable and their
monitoring is improving regularly. Other than the more advanced 5 GHz
capabilities, and the site survey option in the monitoring software, are
there any compelling reasons to take on the additional cost and to move
from Cambium to Calix in a WISP environment?

Thank you - Chris

Re: [AFMUG] OT Texan Who Posted Extreme Views Loses Runoff for State Education Post

[Jaime Solorza]

I was surprised Tea Party pulled their support..  but glad the other group
made sure folks saw her posts.
On May 25, 2016 5:27 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> But are you now willing to say those Texans are the geniuses they now
> appear to be?
>
> On Wed, May 25, 2016, 12:25 AM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> I am relieved
>>
>> Texan Who Posted Extreme Views Loses Runoff for State Education Post
>>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/25/us/texan-who-posted-extreme-views-loses-runoff-for-state-education-post.html
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] R200/R201 vs 844E

[Josh Baird]

I would also like some feedback.  I'm more interested in the
provisioning/deployment/configuration management options for each.  I know
that Cambium is planning to introduce some improvements/features for
provisioning in upcoming versions of cnMaestro that should be things
better.  How does provisioning/deployment/configuration management work in
Calix-land?  How much more are you being quoted for the 844E?

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 8:02 AM, Christopher Gray <
cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:

> I'm trying to get a sense of whether the benefits of the 844E are worth
> the additional cost relative to the R200/R201. Does anyone have any good
> experience with the Calix and Cambium hardware and monitoring?
>
> I've been using the Cambium system. The routers are mostly stable and
> their monitoring is improving regularly. Other than the more advanced 5 GHz
> capabilities, and the site survey option in the monitoring software, are
> there any compelling reasons to take on the additional cost and to move
> from Cambium to Calix in a WISP environment?
>
> Thank you - Chris
>

Re: [AFMUG] R200/R201 vs 844E

[Gino Villarini]

me 3
btw: Calix has not gotten back to me... 2 weeks and counting 

Get Outlook for iOS




On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 5:34 AM -0700, "Josh Baird"  wrote:










I would also like some feedback.  I'm more interested in the 
provisioning/deployment/configuration management options for each.  I know that 
Cambium is planning to introduce some improvements/features for provisioning in 
upcoming versions of cnMaestro that should be things better.  How does 
provisioning/deployment/configuration management work in Calix-land?  How much 
more are you being quoted for the 844E?
On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 8:02 AM, Christopher Gray  
wrote:
I'm trying to get a sense of whether the benefits of the 844E are worth the 
additional cost relative to the R200/R201. Does anyone have any good experience 
with the Calix and Cambium hardware and monitoring?
I've been using the Cambium system. The routers are mostly stable and their 
monitoring is improving regularly. Other than the more advanced 5 GHz 
capabilities, and the site survey option in the monitoring software, are there 
any compelling reasons to take on the additional cost and to move from Cambium 
to Calix in a WISP environment?
Thank you - Chris

Re: [AFMUG] R200/R201 vs 844E

[Josh Reynolds]

I just passed this along to our sales rep.
On May 25, 2016 8:14 AM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:

> me 3
>
> btw: Calix has not gotten back to me... 2 weeks and counting
>
> Get Outlook for iOS 
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 5:34 AM -0700, "Josh Baird" 
> wrote:
>
> I would also like some feedback.  I'm more interested in the
>> provisioning/deployment/configuration management options for each.  I know
>> that Cambium is planning to introduce some improvements/features for
>> provisioning in upcoming versions of cnMaestro that should be things
>> better.  How does provisioning/deployment/configuration management work in
>> Calix-land?  How much more are you being quoted for the 844E?
>>
>> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 8:02 AM, Christopher Gray <
>> cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm trying to get a sense of whether the benefits of the 844E are worth
>>> the additional cost relative to the R200/R201. Does anyone have any good
>>> experience with the Calix and Cambium hardware and monitoring?
>>>
>>> I've been using the Cambium system. The routers are mostly stable and
>>> their monitoring is improving regularly. Other than the more advanced 5 GHz
>>> capabilities, and the site survey option in the monitoring software, are
>>> there any compelling reasons to take on the additional cost and to move
>>> from Cambium to Calix in a WISP environment?
>>>
>>> Thank you - Chris
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Texas board of education vote is critical for conservatives – and US schools

[Ken Hohhof]

Out of the frying pan ...

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 12:42 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG]OT Texas board of education vote is critical for 
conservatives – and US schools

If there's anything that this election cycle gives me hope about, it's that it 
is painfully obvious that the american people are finally fed up with politics 
as usual. 



On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 6:05 PM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

  True. If we could only get rid of these damn political parties...

  On Tuesday, May 24, 2016, Lewis Bergman  wrote:

Republicans and dems are all the same.  Everything is negotiable and 
willing to be traded in order to get or keep power. And of course power is 
equivalent to money. Read the book the list is named after. The only exception 
is when you have a dictator like NK or Cuba where you just kill people who 
disagree so you don't have to compromise your beliefs. 



On Tue, May 24, 2016, 6:28 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

  But look at the size of it. It's HUUUGE!



bp


On 5/24/2016 4:06 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Watch out for the ones who got their degree at Costco.






-- 

  Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

  Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
  forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

 

Re: [AFMUG] old competition

[Chuck McCown]

Wow prolific, he also invented the rhythm method... Al go rhythm

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 5:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] old competition

Al Gore, inventor of the AlGorithm.

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 5:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] old competition

I didn't see a typo but there is a major grammatical error. "No one sells 
internet less". I assume they meant " for less" instead of selling less 
internet than anyone. Where is Al Gore when you need him to invent new ways to 
sell the internet.

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:04 PM Lewis Bergman  wrote:

  The greater joy is knowing they still think spending big money on yellow page 
ads will ever pay back. I got left out ad could not tll the difference. We 
received 8 complaints about not being there and when I asked how they found us 
they all said "web search". Huhmaybe that is why we aren't in there.

  On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:00 PM Darin Steffl  wrote:

The image is small and low quality but I can't seem to find the major typo 
in there at first glance?

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 4:57 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:

  Hey...

  It's always fun to see a former competitor have a major typo in the brand 
new Yellowpage book that just came out... they only have to live with it for a 
year. LOL

  Travis






-- 

Darin Steffl 
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
 Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] WTB: Packetflux Generator Controller

[Chuck McCown]

Sad, but I have many products in the same category.  Some of them were very 
costly development projects.
Good that good will come from it.  Many people don’t understand that you have 
to fail your way to success with things like this at times.

Which processor did you switch to?

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 7:37 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WTB: Packetflux Generator Controller

Sort of.  

We sold a total of around 80 (over a few years).   There were some 
manufacturability issues which needed to be dealt with (why there's 80 instead 
of 100 - not  a good yield).   Fixing those with the current design isn't 
really practical.   Reordering and making just a few more of the existing 
design is also prohibitive due to some minimum orders for parts I'm no longer 
using other than on that board.   Or summarized:  We really can't cost 
effectively make any more of the existing design, especially at the volumes 
we're moving (1-2/month if we're lucky).


The good news is that the next iteration of the sitemonitor base units will 
actually be able to do everything that standby power controller did, and a 
whole lot more.   The intent is to circle around and build a new standby power 
controller board which runs the new sitemonitor firmware.  This was supposed to 
be done by now, but the processor switch for the new base units was anything 
but the smooth transition we had hoped.   

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 6:23 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

  Did Forrest discontinue it!?

  On 5/24/2016 6:57 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:

Anyone has units for sale?







-- 

  Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

  Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
  forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

[Chuck McCown]

Just want to write some custom query/reports.

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 7:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

Maybe SQLServer Express? It's free. I guess it depends on what you are doing 
with database. 

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:41 PM, SmarterBroadband  
wrote:

  Home, maybe.  Looks like it.  I’m just reading the web page.



  This is interesting for people who need occasional access.



  
https://products.office.com/en-us/office-online/documents-spreadsheets-presentations-office-online



  Get started with Office Online now

  No install required. Choose your favorite app. It's free.





  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:35 PM


  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives


  Does that mean concurrent logins?  That is pretty important in my 
application.  



  From: SmarterBroadband 

  Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:31 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives



  The home version covers 5 seats and is only $99 a year…..



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:24 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives



  No, $12/month total for 5 seats.  

  They say 5 computers.  One would hope concurrent logins.  



  From: SmarterBroadband 

  Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:20 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives



  That is $12 per seat?  

  Yes, 5 PC but I think only one login?



  · One license covers 5 phones, 5 tablets, & 5 PCs or Macs per user





  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 8:48 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives



  I looked at those.  Not thrilled.  I may just go with 365.  $12/month for 5 
seats.  Not terrible.  



  From: Josh Luthman 

  Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 9:42 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives



  
http://www.isunshare.com/blog/how-to-open-and-edit-mdb-file-without-microsoft-access/





  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373



  On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:

  We’ve an Office365 for this. Keeping Office up to

  date is more expensive than renting it.







  Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Chuck McCown
  Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. Mai 2016 17:30
  An: af@afmug.com
  Betreff: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives



  I tried to open and edit an mdb file with Libre and it keeps crashing.  Hate 
to go buy access.  Any alternatives that actually work?

Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Wanna have a fun day, call microsoft and ask them to explain the licensing
structure for office and windows OS, then call back in 5 minutes and ask
again. Two totally different answers. I think microsoft convoluted it to
such a degree they dont even know anymore

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 9:33 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Just want to write some custom query/reports.
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 7:26 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>
> Maybe SQLServer Express? It's free. I guess it depends on what you are
> doing with database.
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:41 PM, SmarterBroadband <
> li...@smarterbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Home, maybe.  Looks like it.  I’m just reading the web page.
>>
>>
>>
>> This is interesting for people who need occasional access.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://products.office.com/en-us/office-online/documents-spreadsheets-presentations-office-online
>>
>>
>>
>> *Get started with Office Online now*
>>
>> No install required. Choose your favorite app. It's free.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:35 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>>
>>
>>
>> Does that mean concurrent logins?  That is pretty important in my
>> application.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* SmarterBroadband 
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:31 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>>
>>
>>
>> The home version covers 5 seats and is only $99 a year…..
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:24 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>>
>>
>>
>> No, $12/month total for 5 seats.
>>
>> They say 5 computers.  One would hope concurrent logins.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* SmarterBroadband 
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:20 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>>
>>
>>
>> That is $12 per seat?
>>
>> Yes, 5 PC but I think only one login?
>>
>>
>>
>> · One license covers 5 phones, 5 tablets, & 5 PCs or Macs per
>> user
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 8:48 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>>
>>
>>
>> I looked at those.  Not thrilled.  I may just go with 365.  $12/month for
>> 5 seats.  Not terrible.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 9:42 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.isunshare.com/blog/how-to-open-and-edit-mdb-file-without-microsoft-access/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Stefan Englhardt 
>> wrote:
>>
>> We’ve an Office365 for this. Keeping Office up to
>>
>> date is more expensive than renting it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Chuck McCown
>> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 24. Mai 2016 17:30
>> *An:* af@afmug.com
>> *Betreff:* [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>>
>>
>>
>> I tried to open and edit an mdb file with Libre and it keeps crashing.
>> Hate to go buy access.  Any alternatives that actually work?
>>
>>
>>
>
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

[Cameron Crum]

Yeah...easy to do with Sql Express, but make sure you get SQL Server
Management Studio as well. Once installed, open management studio and
import your DB. Select the DB and then click the "New Query" "button" at
the top. Make sure the little pull down shows your database as the default
"master" is sometimes in there if you haven't run a query yet. Now type
your query and hit the "Execute" button.



On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 9:33 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Just want to write some custom query/reports.
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 7:26 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>
> Maybe SQLServer Express? It's free. I guess it depends on what you are
> doing with database.
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:41 PM, SmarterBroadband <
> li...@smarterbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Home, maybe.  Looks like it.  I’m just reading the web page.
>>
>>
>>
>> This is interesting for people who need occasional access.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://products.office.com/en-us/office-online/documents-spreadsheets-presentations-office-online
>>
>>
>>
>> *Get started with Office Online now*
>>
>> No install required. Choose your favorite app. It's free.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:35 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>>
>>
>>
>> Does that mean concurrent logins?  That is pretty important in my
>> application.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* SmarterBroadband 
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:31 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>>
>>
>>
>> The home version covers 5 seats and is only $99 a year…..
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:24 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>>
>>
>>
>> No, $12/month total for 5 seats.
>>
>> They say 5 computers.  One would hope concurrent logins.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* SmarterBroadband 
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:20 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>>
>>
>>
>> That is $12 per seat?
>>
>> Yes, 5 PC but I think only one login?
>>
>>
>>
>> · One license covers 5 phones, 5 tablets, & 5 PCs or Macs per
>> user
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 8:48 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>>
>>
>>
>> I looked at those.  Not thrilled.  I may just go with 365.  $12/month for
>> 5 seats.  Not terrible.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 9:42 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.isunshare.com/blog/how-to-open-and-edit-mdb-file-without-microsoft-access/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Stefan Englhardt 
>> wrote:
>>
>> We’ve an Office365 for this. Keeping Office up to
>>
>> date is more expensive than renting it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Chuck McCown
>> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 24. Mai 2016 17:30
>> *An:* af@afmug.com
>> *Betreff:* [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>>
>>
>>
>> I tried to open and edit an mdb file with Libre and it keeps crashing.
>> Hate to go buy access.  Any alternatives that actually work?
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

[Jon Auer]

Home version supports multiple discrete users.
You invite family members (different Microsoft/Live ID) through the web
page where you download the installer and change your payment info.
On May 24, 2016 17:35, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Does that mean concurrent logins?  That is pretty important in my
> application.
>
> *From:* SmarterBroadband 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:31 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>
>
> The home version covers 5 seats and is only $99 a year…..
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:24 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>
>
>
> No, $12/month total for 5 seats.
>
> They say 5 computers.  One would hope concurrent logins.
>
>
>
> *From:* SmarterBroadband 
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:20 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>
>
>
> That is $12 per seat?
>
> Yes, 5 PC but I think only one login?
>
>
>
> · One license covers 5 phones, 5 tablets, & 5 PCs or Macs per user
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 8:48 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>
>
>
> I looked at those.  Not thrilled.  I may just go with 365.  $12/month for
> 5 seats.  Not terrible.
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 9:42 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>
>
>
>
> http://www.isunshare.com/blog/how-to-open-and-edit-mdb-file-without-microsoft-access/
>
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:
>
> We’ve an Office365 for this. Keeping Office up to
>
> date is more expensive than renting it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Chuck McCown
> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 24. Mai 2016 17:30
> *An:* af@afmug.com
> *Betreff:* [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>
>
>
> I tried to open and edit an mdb file with Libre and it keeps crashing.
> Hate to go buy access.  Any alternatives that actually work?
>
>
>

[AFMUG] DIN rail mount 30 vdc PSU?

[Sam Lambie]

Hey all,

I am looking for a Power supply (AC-DC) to Power Cambiums 100-450 gear.
It's easy to find 24vdc but the 30vdc is elusive?
I have been using the Meanwell SDR-24vdc and cranking them up to 28 vdc but
I would rather do it right. Anyone have sources for such Power Supplies?

thanks
Sam

-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] DIN rail mount 30 vdc PSU?

[Josh Baird]

Nearly all 24VDC power supplies will crank up to 29-30V.  This is very
common.

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Sam Lambie  wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> I am looking for a Power supply (AC-DC) to Power Cambiums 100-450 gear.
> It's easy to find 24vdc but the 30vdc is elusive?
> I have been using the Meanwell SDR-24vdc and cranking them up to 28 vdc
> but I would rather do it right. Anyone have sources for such Power Supplies?
>
> thanks
> Sam
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>

[AFMUG] Blistering world record WIFI transmission heralds new era in super-fast internet

[Steve]

https://www.rt.com/viral/344357-wifi-record-transmission-fraunhofer/

German scientists have smashed the radio wave data-speed barrier by 
transmitting information equivalent to the contents of a conventional DVD some 
37km in under 10 seconds. 

Re: [AFMUG] DIN rail mount 30 vdc PSU?

[Chuck McCown]

24 VDC is a standard system battery voltage.

Lead acid cells take a constant float voltage of 2.25 – 2.33 volts per cell to 
remain fully charged and ready to go when they are called upon.  

So 2.33 x 12 = 28 volts.

That is why you see system voltages of 28 volts all the time.  
I actually prefer 27 volts, but the spec sheet of the battery manufacturer is 
what really rules the issue.
Hotter days need different voltages than cooler days, so a temperature 
compensated rectifier/charger/power supply will help to maintain battery life.

Cranking a Meanwell up to 28 volts is just fine.

30 volts is more of a max voltage for the system.  

You may have a hard time finding such a beast.  
To get 30 you may have to crank down a 48 volt power supply or get a custom 
regulator.

From: Sam Lambie 
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 10:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] DIN rail mount 30 vdc PSU?

Hey all,


I am looking for a Power supply (AC-DC) to Power Cambiums 100-450 gear. It's 
easy to find 24vdc but the 30vdc is elusive?

I have been using the Meanwell SDR-24vdc and cranking them up to 28 vdc but I 
would rather do it right. Anyone have sources for such Power Supplies?


thanks

Sam


-- 

-- 
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] DIN rail mount 30 vdc PSU?

[Josh Luthman]

I've been using these and batteries and have been happy:

ACDC battery charger

   - Meanwell AD-155B
   

   - Meanwell DRL-02
   

   - Meanwell DRP-03
   

   - Three M3x6 screws and two M4x6 screws



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:

> Nearly all 24VDC power supplies will crank up to 29-30V.  This is very
> common.
>
> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Sam Lambie  wrote:
>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I am looking for a Power supply (AC-DC) to Power Cambiums 100-450 gear.
>> It's easy to find 24vdc but the 30vdc is elusive?
>> I have been using the Meanwell SDR-24vdc and cranking them up to 28 vdc
>> but I would rather do it right. Anyone have sources for such Power Supplies?
>>
>> thanks
>> Sam
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *Sam Lambie*
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> 575-758-7598 Office
>> www.Taosnet.com 
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Blistering world record WIFI transmission heralds new era in super-fast internet

[Josh Luthman]

using a radio frequency of 71-76Hz.

“Only in this frequency range of millimeter waves are the required high
effective bandwidths available,”

U 70 GHz maybe?  At 10km though?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Steve  wrote:

>
> https://www.rt.com/viral/344357-wifi-record-transmission-fraunhofer/
>
> German scientists have smashed the radio wave data-speed barrier by
> transmitting information equivalent to the contents of a conventional DVD
> some 37km in under 10 seconds.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Blistering world record WIFI transmission heralds new era in super-fast internet

[Steve]

I'm thinking water and clouds are going to be a problem.. :) 

- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 12:23:53 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Blistering world record WIFI transmission heralds new era 
in super-fast internet

using a radio frequency of 71-76Hz.

“Only in this frequency range of millimeter waves are the required high
effective bandwidths available,”

U 70 GHz maybe?  At 10km though?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Steve  wrote:

>
> https://www.rt.com/viral/344357-wifi-record-transmission-fraunhofer/
>
> German scientists have smashed the radio wave data-speed barrier by
> transmitting information equivalent to the contents of a conventional DVD
> some 37km in under 10 seconds.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Blistering world record WIFI transmission heralds new era in super-fast internet

[Chuck McCown]

And sheets of paper and drapery and a well placed sneeze...

-Original Message- 
From: Steve

Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 10:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Blistering world record WIFI transmission heralds new 
era in super-fast internet


I'm thinking water and clouds are going to be a problem.. :)

- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 12:23:53 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Blistering world record WIFI transmission heralds new 
era in super-fast internet


using a radio frequency of 71-76Hz.

“Only in this frequency range of millimeter waves are the required high
effective bandwidths available,”

U 70 GHz maybe?  At 10km though?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Steve  wrote:



https://www.rt.com/viral/344357-wifi-record-transmission-fraunhofer/

German scientists have smashed the radio wave data-speed barrier by
transmitting information equivalent to the contents of a conventional DVD
some 37km in under 10 seconds.

Re: [AFMUG] Blistering world record WIFI transmission heralds new era in super-fast internet

[Bill Prince]

wind shear?


bp


On 5/25/2016 9:34 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

And sheets of paper and drapery and a well placed sneeze...

-Original Message- From: Steve
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 10:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Blistering world record WIFI transmission heralds 
new era in super-fast internet


I'm thinking water and clouds are going to be a problem.. :)

- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 12:23:53 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Blistering world record WIFI transmission heralds 
new era in super-fast internet


using a radio frequency of 71-76Hz.

“Only in this frequency range of millimeter waves are the required high
effective bandwidths available,”

U 70 GHz maybe?  At 10km though?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Steve  wrote:



https://www.rt.com/viral/344357-wifi-record-transmission-fraunhofer/

German scientists have smashed the radio wave data-speed barrier by
transmitting information equivalent to the contents of a conventional 
DVD

some 37km in under 10 seconds.

Re: [AFMUG] Blistering world record WIFI transmission heralds new era in super-fast internet

[Christopher Tyler]

And the writer didn't know (or care) the difference between bits per second and 
GB of data.

-- 
Christopher Tyler 
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 11:34:06 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Blistering world record WIFI transmission heralds new  
era in super-fast internet

And sheets of paper and drapery and a well placed sneeze...

-Original Message- 
From: Steve
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 10:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Blistering world record WIFI transmission heralds new 
era in super-fast internet

I'm thinking water and clouds are going to be a problem.. :)

- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 12:23:53 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Blistering world record WIFI transmission heralds new 
era in super-fast internet

using a radio frequency of 71-76Hz.

“Only in this frequency range of millimeter waves are the required high
effective bandwidths available,”

U 70 GHz maybe?  At 10km though?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Steve  wrote:

>
> https://www.rt.com/viral/344357-wifi-record-transmission-fraunhofer/
>
> German scientists have smashed the radio wave data-speed barrier by
> transmitting information equivalent to the contents of a conventional DVD
> some 37km in under 10 seconds.
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Blistering world record WIFI transmission heralds new era in super-fast internet

[Steve]

I wish these mailing lists had "Upvotes". 

Wonder if the animal farm should make a subreddit... 

- Original Message -
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 12:34:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Blistering world record WIFI transmission heralds new  
era in super-fast internet

And sheets of paper and drapery and a well placed sneeze...

-Original Message- 
From: Steve
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 10:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Blistering world record WIFI transmission heralds new 
era in super-fast internet

I'm thinking water and clouds are going to be a problem.. :)

- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 12:23:53 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Blistering world record WIFI transmission heralds new 
era in super-fast internet

using a radio frequency of 71-76Hz.

“Only in this frequency range of millimeter waves are the required high
effective bandwidths available,”

U 70 GHz maybe?  At 10km though?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Steve  wrote:

>
> https://www.rt.com/viral/344357-wifi-record-transmission-fraunhofer/
>
> German scientists have smashed the radio wave data-speed barrier by
> transmitting information equivalent to the contents of a conventional DVD
> some 37km in under 10 seconds.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

[Chuck McCown]

Downloaded and installed it.  Boy oh boy are there a ton of apps.  Found 
management studio.  Trying to puzzle it out.  

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 8:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

Yeah...easy to do with Sql Express, but make sure you get SQL Server Management 
Studio as well. Once installed, open management studio and import your DB. 
Select the DB and then click the "New Query" "button" at the top. Make sure the 
little pull down shows your database as the default "master" is sometimes in 
there if you haven't run a query yet. Now type your query and hit the "Execute" 
button.  



On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 9:33 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Just want to write some custom query/reports.

  From: Cameron Crum 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 7:26 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

  Maybe SQLServer Express? It's free. I guess it depends on what you are doing 
with database. 

  On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:41 PM, SmarterBroadband 
 wrote:

Home, maybe.  Looks like it.  I’m just reading the web page.



This is interesting for people who need occasional access.




https://products.office.com/en-us/office-online/documents-spreadsheets-presentations-office-online



Get started with Office Online now

No install required. Choose your favorite app. It's free.





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:35 PM


To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives


Does that mean concurrent logins?  That is pretty important in my 
application.  



From: SmarterBroadband 

Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:31 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives



The home version covers 5 seats and is only $99 a year…..



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives



No, $12/month total for 5 seats.  

They say 5 computers.  One would hope concurrent logins.  



From: SmarterBroadband 

Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:20 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives



That is $12 per seat?  

Yes, 5 PC but I think only one login?



· One license covers 5 phones, 5 tablets, & 5 PCs or Macs per user





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 8:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives



I looked at those.  Not thrilled.  I may just go with 365.  $12/month for 5 
seats.  Not terrible.  



From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 9:42 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives




http://www.isunshare.com/blog/how-to-open-and-edit-mdb-file-without-microsoft-access/





Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:

We’ve an Office365 for this. Keeping Office up to

date is more expensive than renting it.







Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Chuck McCown
Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. Mai 2016 17:30
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives



I tried to open and edit an mdb file with Libre and it keeps crashing.  
Hate to go buy access.  Any alternatives that actually work?

Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

[Chuck McCown]

Not seeing the import option...

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 8:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

Yeah...easy to do with Sql Express, but make sure you get SQL Server Management 
Studio as well. Once installed, open management studio and import your DB. 
Select the DB and then click the "New Query" "button" at the top. Make sure the 
little pull down shows your database as the default "master" is sometimes in 
there if you haven't run a query yet. Now type your query and hit the "Execute" 
button.  



On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 9:33 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Just want to write some custom query/reports.

  From: Cameron Crum 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 7:26 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

  Maybe SQLServer Express? It's free. I guess it depends on what you are doing 
with database. 

  On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:41 PM, SmarterBroadband 
 wrote:

Home, maybe.  Looks like it.  I’m just reading the web page.



This is interesting for people who need occasional access.




https://products.office.com/en-us/office-online/documents-spreadsheets-presentations-office-online



Get started with Office Online now

No install required. Choose your favorite app. It's free.





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:35 PM


To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives


Does that mean concurrent logins?  That is pretty important in my 
application.  



From: SmarterBroadband 

Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:31 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives



The home version covers 5 seats and is only $99 a year…..



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives



No, $12/month total for 5 seats.  

They say 5 computers.  One would hope concurrent logins.  



From: SmarterBroadband 

Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:20 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives



That is $12 per seat?  

Yes, 5 PC but I think only one login?



· One license covers 5 phones, 5 tablets, & 5 PCs or Macs per user





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 8:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives



I looked at those.  Not thrilled.  I may just go with 365.  $12/month for 5 
seats.  Not terrible.  



From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 9:42 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives




http://www.isunshare.com/blog/how-to-open-and-edit-mdb-file-without-microsoft-access/





Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:

We’ve an Office365 for this. Keeping Office up to

date is more expensive than renting it.







Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Chuck McCown
Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. Mai 2016 17:30
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives



I tried to open and edit an mdb file with Libre and it keeps crashing.  
Hate to go buy access.  Any alternatives that actually work?

Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

[Cameron Crum]

Right click on Databases and select Attach.

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 11:47 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Not seeing the import option...
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2016 8:45 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>
> Yeah...easy to do with Sql Express, but make sure you get SQL Server
> Management Studio as well. Once installed, open management studio and
> import your DB. Select the DB and then click the "New Query" "button" at
> the top. Make sure the little pull down shows your database as the default
> "master" is sometimes in there if you haven't run a query yet. Now type
> your query and hit the "Execute" button.
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 9:33 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Just want to write some custom query/reports.
>>
>> *From:* Cameron Crum 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 7:26 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>>
>> Maybe SQLServer Express? It's free. I guess it depends on what you are
>> doing with database.
>>
>> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:41 PM, SmarterBroadband <
>> li...@smarterbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Home, maybe.  Looks like it.  I’m just reading the web page.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is interesting for people who need occasional access.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://products.office.com/en-us/office-online/documents-spreadsheets-presentations-office-online
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Get started with Office Online now*
>>>
>>> No install required. Choose your favorite app. It's free.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:35 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Does that mean concurrent logins?  That is pretty important in my
>>> application.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* SmarterBroadband 
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:31 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The home version covers 5 seats and is only $99 a year…..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:24 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No, $12/month total for 5 seats.
>>>
>>> They say 5 computers.  One would hope concurrent logins.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* SmarterBroadband 
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:20 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That is $12 per seat?
>>>
>>> Yes, 5 PC but I think only one login?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> · One license covers 5 phones, 5 tablets, & 5 PCs or Macs per
>>> user
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 8:48 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I looked at those.  Not thrilled.  I may just go with 365.  $12/month
>>> for 5 seats.  Not terrible.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 9:42 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.isunshare.com/blog/how-to-open-and-edit-mdb-file-without-microsoft-access/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Stefan Englhardt 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> We’ve an Office365 for this. Keeping Office up to
>>>
>>> date is more expensive than renting it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Chuck McCown
>>> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 24. Mai 2016 17:30
>>> *An:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Betreff:* [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I tried to open and edit an mdb file with Libre and it keeps crashing.
>>> Hate to go buy access.  Any alternatives that actually work?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

[AFMUG] Ketchup has finally met it's match

[Rory Conaway]

http://www.thisisinsider.com/coating-helps-ketchup-glide-2016-5

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"I wish I could play little league now.  I'd be way better than before."

Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

[Chuck McCown]

It is just an exported database backup file.  An mdb file.
I don’t trust myself with actually accessing the database.  

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 10:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

Right click on Databases and select Attach. 

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 11:47 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Not seeing the import option...

  From: Cameron Crum 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 8:45 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

  Yeah...easy to do with Sql Express, but make sure you get SQL Server 
Management Studio as well. Once installed, open management studio and import 
your DB. Select the DB and then click the "New Query" "button" at the top. Make 
sure the little pull down shows your database as the default "master" is 
sometimes in there if you haven't run a query yet. Now type your query and hit 
the "Execute" button.  



  On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 9:33 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Just want to write some custom query/reports.

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 7:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

Maybe SQLServer Express? It's free. I guess it depends on what you are 
doing with database. 

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:41 PM, SmarterBroadband 
 wrote:

  Home, maybe.  Looks like it.  I’m just reading the web page.



  This is interesting for people who need occasional access.



  
https://products.office.com/en-us/office-online/documents-spreadsheets-presentations-office-online



  Get started with Office Online now

  No install required. Choose your favorite app. It's free.





  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:35 PM


  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives


  Does that mean concurrent logins?  That is pretty important in my 
application.  



  From: SmarterBroadband 

  Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:31 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives



  The home version covers 5 seats and is only $99 a year…..



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:24 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives



  No, $12/month total for 5 seats.  

  They say 5 computers.  One would hope concurrent logins.  



  From: SmarterBroadband 

  Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:20 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives



  That is $12 per seat?  

  Yes, 5 PC but I think only one login?



  · One license covers 5 phones, 5 tablets, & 5 PCs or Macs per user





  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 8:48 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives



  I looked at those.  Not thrilled.  I may just go with 365.  $12/month for 
5 seats.  Not terrible.  



  From: Josh Luthman 

  Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 9:42 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives



  
http://www.isunshare.com/blog/how-to-open-and-edit-mdb-file-without-microsoft-access/





  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373



  On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Stefan Englhardt  
wrote:

  We’ve an Office365 for this. Keeping Office up to

  date is more expensive than renting it.







  Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Chuck McCown
  Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. Mai 2016 17:30
  An: af@afmug.com
  Betreff: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives



  I tried to open and edit an mdb file with Libre and it keeps crashing.  
Hate to go buy access.  Any alternatives that actually work?

Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

[Cameron Crum]

I'm not sure how you write queries to a database without accessing it?

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> It is just an exported database backup file.  An mdb file.
> I don’t trust myself with actually accessing the database.
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2016 10:52 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>
> Right click on Databases and select Attach.
>
> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 11:47 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Not seeing the import option...
>>
>> *From:* Cameron Crum 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2016 8:45 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>>
>> Yeah...easy to do with Sql Express, but make sure you get SQL Server
>> Management Studio as well. Once installed, open management studio and
>> import your DB. Select the DB and then click the "New Query" "button" at
>> the top. Make sure the little pull down shows your database as the default
>> "master" is sometimes in there if you haven't run a query yet. Now type
>> your query and hit the "Execute" button.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 9:33 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> Just want to write some custom query/reports.
>>>
>>> *From:* Cameron Crum 
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 7:26 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>>>
>>> Maybe SQLServer Express? It's free. I guess it depends on what you are
>>> doing with database.
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:41 PM, SmarterBroadband <
>>> li...@smarterbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
 Home, maybe.  Looks like it.  I’m just reading the web page.



 This is interesting for people who need occasional access.




 https://products.office.com/en-us/office-online/documents-spreadsheets-presentations-office-online



 *Get started with Office Online now*

 No install required. Choose your favorite app. It's free.





 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
 *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:35 PM

 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives



 Does that mean concurrent logins?  That is pretty important in my
 application.



 *From:* SmarterBroadband 

 *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:31 PM

 *To:* af@afmug.com

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives



 The home version covers 5 seats and is only $99 a year…..



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
 Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
 *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:24 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives



 No, $12/month total for 5 seats.

 They say 5 computers.  One would hope concurrent logins.



 *From:* SmarterBroadband 

 *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:20 PM

 *To:* af@afmug.com

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives



 That is $12 per seat?

 Yes, 5 PC but I think only one login?



 · One license covers 5 phones, 5 tablets, & 5 PCs or Macs per
 user





 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
 Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
 *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 8:48 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives



 I looked at those.  Not thrilled.  I may just go with 365.  $12/month
 for 5 seats.  Not terrible.



 *From:* Josh Luthman 

 *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 9:42 AM

 *To:* af@afmug.com

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives




 http://www.isunshare.com/blog/how-to-open-and-edit-mdb-file-without-microsoft-access/





 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Stefan Englhardt 
 wrote:

 We’ve an Office365 for this. Keeping Office up to

 date is more expensive than renting it.







 *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Chuck McCown
 *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 24. Mai 2016 17:30
 *An:* af@afmug.com
 *Betreff:* [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives



 I tried to open and edit an mdb file with Libre and it keeps crashing.
 Hate to go buy access.  Any alternatives that actually work?



>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] DIN rail mount 30 vdc PSU?

[George Skorup]

Yep. I have no problem running PMP100/450 and ePMP on AD-155B's set to 
float at 27.6V at small and medium-ish sites.


If you're just looking for AC-DC, then the SDR-120-24 is fine with the 
adjustment pot cranked up to 29.5. In my environment though, since I try 
to keep everything on the same rail and use as few DC-DC converters as 
possible, say a MikroTik switch/router that takes a max of 28VDC, 29.5 
is a bad idea. And probably not a good idea for an UBNT radio either, 
like a RocketM5 on a shorter run.


On 5/25/2016 11:22 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

I've been using these and batteries and have been happy:

ACDC battery charger

  * Meanwell AD-155B


  * Meanwell DRL-02


  * Meanwell DRP-03


  * Three M3x6 screws and two M4x6 screws



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Josh Baird > wrote:


Nearly all 24VDC power supplies will crank up to 29-30V.  This is
very common.

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Sam Lambie mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hey all,

I am looking for a Power supply (AC-DC) to Power Cambiums
100-450 gear. It's easy to find 24vdc but the 30vdc is elusive?
I have been using the Meanwell SDR-24vdc and cranking them up
to 28 vdc but I would rather do it right. Anyone have sources
for such Power Supplies?

thanks
Sam

-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*

Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598  Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] Ketchup has finally met it's match

[Bill Prince]

Probably carcinogenic.


bp


On 5/25/2016 9:53 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:


http://www.thisisinsider.com/coating-helps-ketchup-glide-2016-5

*Rory Conaway **� Triad Wireless �**CEO*

*4226 S. 37^th Street � Phoenix � AZ 85040*

*602-426-0542*

*r...@triadwireless.net *

*www.triadwireless.net *

**

�I wish I could play little league now.  I�d be way better than before.�

Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

[Chuck McCown]

I think I would probably have to set up a new database and import the backup 
into it.  

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 11:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

I'm not sure how you write queries to a database without accessing it? 

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  It is just an exported database backup file.  An mdb file.
  I don’t trust myself with actually accessing the database.  

  From: Cameron Crum 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 10:52 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

  Right click on Databases and select Attach. 

  On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 11:47 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Not seeing the import option...

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 8:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

Yeah...easy to do with Sql Express, but make sure you get SQL Server 
Management Studio as well. Once installed, open management studio and import 
your DB. Select the DB and then click the "New Query" "button" at the top. Make 
sure the little pull down shows your database as the default "master" is 
sometimes in there if you haven't run a query yet. Now type your query and hit 
the "Execute" button.  



On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 9:33 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Just want to write some custom query/reports.

  From: Cameron Crum 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 7:26 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

  Maybe SQLServer Express? It's free. I guess it depends on what you are 
doing with database. 

  On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:41 PM, SmarterBroadband 
 wrote:

Home, maybe.  Looks like it.  I’m just reading the web page.



This is interesting for people who need occasional access.




https://products.office.com/en-us/office-online/documents-spreadsheets-presentations-office-online



Get started with Office Online now

No install required. Choose your favorite app. It's free.





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:35 PM


To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives


Does that mean concurrent logins?  That is pretty important in my 
application.  



From: SmarterBroadband 

Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:31 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives



The home version covers 5 seats and is only $99 a year…..



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives



No, $12/month total for 5 seats.  

They say 5 computers.  One would hope concurrent logins.  



From: SmarterBroadband 

Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:20 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives



That is $12 per seat?  

Yes, 5 PC but I think only one login?



· One license covers 5 phones, 5 tablets, & 5 PCs or Macs per 
user





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 8:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives



I looked at those.  Not thrilled.  I may just go with 365.  $12/month 
for 5 seats.  Not terrible.  



From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 9:42 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives




http://www.isunshare.com/blog/how-to-open-and-edit-mdb-file-without-microsoft-access/





Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Stefan Englhardt  
wrote:

We’ve an Office365 for this. Keeping Office up to

date is more expensive than renting it.







Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Chuck McCown
Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. Mai 2016 17:30
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives



I tried to open and edit an mdb file with Libre and it keeps crashing.  
Hate to go buy access.  Any alternatives that actually work?

Re: [AFMUG] Ketchup has finally met it's match

[Steve]

First thing I'm thinking of.. why would we want some sort of extreme chemical 
even in the smallest parts to get in our intestines.. 

Well it probably would slide right through those too.. :)  Maybe a new form of 
laxative?

- Original Message -
From: "Bill Prince" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 1:10:26 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ketchup has finally met it's match

Probably carcinogenic.


bp


On 5/25/2016 9:53 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
>
> http://www.thisisinsider.com/coating-helps-ketchup-glide-2016-5
>
> *Rory Conaway **� Triad Wireless �**CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37^th Street � Phoenix � AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
> **
>
> �I wish I could play little league now.  I�d be way better than before.�
>

Re: [AFMUG] DIN rail mount 30 vdc PSU?

[Mathew Howard]

Yep, we just run everything at 27-28v, pretty much everything is happy that
way.

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:09 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> Yep. I have no problem running PMP100/450 and ePMP on AD-155B's set to
> float at 27.6V at small and medium-ish sites.
>
> If you're just looking for AC-DC, then the SDR-120-24 is fine with the
> adjustment pot cranked up to 29.5. In my environment though, since I try to
> keep everything on the same rail and use as few DC-DC converters as
> possible, say a MikroTik switch/router that takes a max of 28VDC, 29.5 is a
> bad idea. And probably not a good idea for an UBNT radio either, like a
> RocketM5 on a shorter run.
>
> On 5/25/2016 11:22 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> I've been using these and batteries and have been happy:
>
> ACDC battery charger
>
>- Meanwell AD-155B
>
> 
>- Meanwell DRL-02
>
> 
>- Meanwell DRP-03
>
> 
>- Three M3x6 screws and two M4x6 screws
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> Nearly all 24VDC power supplies will crank up to 29-30V.  This is very
>> common.
>>
>> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Sam Lambie < 
>> samtaos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all,
>>>
>>> I am looking for a Power supply (AC-DC) to Power Cambiums 100-450 gear.
>>> It's easy to find 24vdc but the 30vdc is elusive?
>>> I have been using the Meanwell SDR-24vdc and cranking them up to 28 vdc
>>> but I would rather do it right. Anyone have sources for such Power Supplies?
>>>
>>> thanks
>>> Sam
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>> 575-758-7598 Office
>>> www.Taosnet.com 
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] DIN rail mount 30 vdc PSU?

[Mathew Howard]

If you can get away with 100 watts, I really like the Meanwell DRC-100B,
it's a much nicer package for DIN mounting.

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> I've been using these and batteries and have been happy:
>
> ACDC battery charger
>
>- Meanwell AD-155B
>
> 
>- Meanwell DRL-02
>
> 
>- Meanwell DRP-03
>
> 
>- Three M3x6 screws and two M4x6 screws
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> Nearly all 24VDC power supplies will crank up to 29-30V.  This is very
>> common.
>>
>> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Sam Lambie 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all,
>>>
>>> I am looking for a Power supply (AC-DC) to Power Cambiums 100-450 gear.
>>> It's easy to find 24vdc but the 30vdc is elusive?
>>> I have been using the Meanwell SDR-24vdc and cranking them up to 28 vdc
>>> but I would rather do it right. Anyone have sources for such Power Supplies?
>>>
>>> thanks
>>> Sam
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>> 575-758-7598 Office
>>> www.Taosnet.com 
>>>
>>
>>
>

[AFMUG] Faisal at snappytelecomm.net

[Wireless Administrator]

Anyone know Faisal's email address at snappytelecomm.net ?

 

Steve B.

 

Re: [AFMUG] Faisal at snappytelecomm.net

[Chuck McCown]

>From the header of one of his postings:


From: Wireless Administrator 
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 11:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Faisal at snappytelecomm.net

Anyone know Faisal’s email address at snappytelecomm.net ?

 

Steve B.

 

Re: [AFMUG] DIN rail mount 30 vdc PSU?

[Bill Prince]

If it is an AC site, that doesn't get a lot of power outages, running 
everything at the float voltage works pretty well. Just understand that 
there will be no bulk or absorption charge after an outage.



bp


On 5/25/2016 10:28 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Yep, we just run everything at 27-28v, pretty much everything is happy 
that way.


On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:09 PM, George Skorup > wrote:


Yep. I have no problem running PMP100/450 and ePMP on AD-155B's
set to float at 27.6V at small and medium-ish sites.

If you're just looking for AC-DC, then the SDR-120-24 is fine with
the adjustment pot cranked up to 29.5. In my environment though,
since I try to keep everything on the same rail and use as few
DC-DC converters as possible, say a MikroTik switch/router that
takes a max of 28VDC, 29.5 is a bad idea. And probably not a good
idea for an UBNT radio either, like a RocketM5 on a shorter run.

On 5/25/2016 11:22 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

I've been using these and batteries and have been happy:

ACDC battery charger

  * Meanwell AD-155B


  * Meanwell DRL-02


  * Meanwell DRP-03


  * Three M3x6 screws and two M4x6 screws



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Josh Baird mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Nearly all 24VDC power supplies will crank up to 29-30V. 
This is very common.


On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Sam Lambie
mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hey all,

I am looking for a Power supply (AC-DC) to Power Cambiums
100-450 gear. It's easy to find 24vdc but the 30vdc is
elusive?
I have been using the Meanwell SDR-24vdc and cranking
them up to 28 vdc but I would rather do it right. Anyone
have sources for such Power Supplies?

thanks
Sam

-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*

Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598  Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] Faisal at snappytelecomm.net

[Dennis Burgess]

Is’ent tha the subject line too?  Faisal at snappytelcomm.net ☺

[DennisBurgessSignature]
www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – 
dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 12:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Faisal at snappytelecomm.net

From the header of one of his postings:
mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>>

From: Wireless Administrator
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 11:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Faisal at snappytelecomm.net


Anyone know Faisal’s email address at snappytelecomm.net ?



Steve B.

Re: [AFMUG] DIN rail mount 30 vdc PSU?

[Chuck McCown]

And you need to size it for both load current and charging current after an 
outage.  Like double the load current or more.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 11:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DIN rail mount 30 vdc PSU?

If it is an AC site, that doesn't get a lot of power outages, running 
everything at the float voltage works pretty well. Just understand that there 
will be no bulk or absorption charge after an outage.



bp


On 5/25/2016 10:28 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

  Yep, we just run everything at 27-28v, pretty much everything is happy that 
way.


  On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:09 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

Yep. I have no problem running PMP100/450 and ePMP on AD-155B's set to 
float at 27.6V at small and medium-ish sites.

If you're just looking for AC-DC, then the SDR-120-24 is fine with the 
adjustment pot cranked up to 29.5. In my environment though, since I try to 
keep everything on the same rail and use as few DC-DC converters as possible, 
say a MikroTik switch/router that takes a max of 28VDC, 29.5 is a bad idea. And 
probably not a good idea for an UBNT radio either, like a RocketM5 on a shorter 
run.


On 5/25/2016 11:22 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

  I've been using these and batteries and have been happy: 

  ACDC battery charger

a.. Meanwell AD-155B 
b.. Meanwell DRL-02 
c.. Meanwell DRP-03 
d.. Three M3x6 screws and two M4x6 screws 



  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:

Nearly all 24VDC power supplies will crank up to 29-30V.  This is very 
common.

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Sam Lambie  
wrote:

  Hey all,


  I am looking for a Power supply (AC-DC) to Power Cambiums 100-450 
gear. It's easy to find 24vdc but the 30vdc is elusive?

  I have been using the Meanwell SDR-24vdc and cranking them up to 28 
vdc but I would rather do it right. Anyone have sources for such Power Supplies?


  thanks

  Sam


  -- 

  -- 
  Sam Lambie
  Taosnet Wireless Tech.
  575-758-7598 Office
  www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] DIN rail mount 30 vdc PSU?

[George Skorup]

That's not bad. Didn't even know it existed.

On 5/25/2016 12:30 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
If you can get away with 100 watts, I really like the Meanwell 
DRC-100B, it's a much nicer package for DIN mounting.


On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:


I've been using these and batteries and have been happy:

ACDC battery charger

  * Meanwell AD-155B


  * Meanwell DRL-02


  * Meanwell DRP-03


  * Three M3x6 screws and two M4x6 screws



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Josh Baird mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Nearly all 24VDC power supplies will crank up to 29-30V.  This
is very common.

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Sam Lambie
mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hey all,

I am looking for a Power supply (AC-DC) to Power Cambiums
100-450 gear. It's easy to find 24vdc but the 30vdc is
elusive?
I have been using the Meanwell SDR-24vdc and cranking them
up to 28 vdc but I would rather do it right. Anyone have
sources for such Power Supplies?

thanks
Sam

-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*

Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598  Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] DIN rail mount 30 vdc PSU?

[Mathew Howard]

I think they're fairly new... I wish they had a 150 watt version.

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:48 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> That's not bad. Didn't even know it existed.
>
> On 5/25/2016 12:30 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
> If you can get away with 100 watts, I really like the Meanwell DRC-100B,
> it's a much nicer package for DIN mounting.
>
> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> I've been using these and batteries and have been happy:
>>
>> ACDC battery charger
>>
>>- Meanwell AD-155B
>>
>> 
>>- Meanwell DRL-02
>>
>> 
>>- Meanwell DRP-03
>>
>> 
>>- Three M3x6 screws and two M4x6 screws
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Josh Baird < 
>> joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Nearly all 24VDC power supplies will crank up to 29-30V.  This is very
>>> common.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Sam Lambie 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hey all,

 I am looking for a Power supply (AC-DC) to Power Cambiums 100-450 gear.
 It's easy to find 24vdc but the 30vdc is elusive?
 I have been using the Meanwell SDR-24vdc and cranking them up to 28 vdc
 but I would rather do it right. Anyone have sources for such Power 
 Supplies?

 thanks
 Sam

 --
 --
 *Sam Lambie*
 Taosnet Wireless Tech.
 575-758-7598 Office
 www.Taosnet.com

>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

[AFMUG] Fwd: Mechanical Connectors?

[Gino Villarini]

We are using AFL and 3M, both are above $12 per connector.  Looking for
good quality connectors for under $10



*Gino Villarini*
President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] DIN rail mount 30 vdc PSU?

[Josh Baird]

Yeah - I like it, just need a little more power.  150-180W would be nice.

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> I think they're fairly new... I wish they had a 150 watt version.
>
> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:48 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>
>> That's not bad. Didn't even know it existed.
>>
>> On 5/25/2016 12:30 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>
>> If you can get away with 100 watts, I really like the Meanwell DRC-100B,
>> it's a much nicer package for DIN mounting.
>>
>> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I've been using these and batteries and have been happy:
>>>
>>> ACDC battery charger
>>>
>>>- Meanwell AD-155B
>>>
>>> 
>>>- Meanwell DRL-02
>>>
>>> 
>>>- Meanwell DRP-03
>>>
>>> 
>>>- Three M3x6 screws and two M4x6 screws
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Josh Baird < 
>>> joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Nearly all 24VDC power supplies will crank up to 29-30V.  This is very
 common.

 On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Sam Lambie 
 wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> I am looking for a Power supply (AC-DC) to Power Cambiums 100-450
> gear. It's easy to find 24vdc but the 30vdc is elusive?
> I have been using the Meanwell SDR-24vdc and cranking them up to 28
> vdc but I would rather do it right. Anyone have sources for such Power
> Supplies?
>
> thanks
> Sam
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com
>


>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ketchup has finally met it's match

[Sean Heskett]

only in the state of California tho ;-)

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 11:10 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> Probably carcinogenic.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 5/25/2016 9:53 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
>
> http://www.thisisinsider.com/coating-helps-ketchup-glide-2016-5
>
> �
>
> *Rory Conaway **� Triad Wireless �** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37th Street � Phoenix � AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <602-426-0542>*
>
> * r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> * www.triadwireless.net
> *
>
> *�*
>
> �I wish I could play little league now.� I�d be way better than
> before.�
>
> �
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Mechanical Connectors?

[Josh Luthman]

Didn't the discussion lead to mechanical sucks, doing a splice is much
better?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 2:04 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

>
>
>
> We are using AFL and 3M, both are above $12 per connector.  Looking for
> good quality connectors for under $10
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Mechanical Connectors?

[Seth Mattinen]

On 5/25/16 11:11, Josh Luthman wrote:

Didn't the discussion lead to mechanical sucks, doing a splice is much
better?



Splice sleeves are under $10.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] R200/R201 vs 844E

[Sean Heskett]

we love the Calix 844E, i've posted many many times about how great our
experiences with the product have been.

I looked at the R201 and it's basically a OEM generic DD-WRT router

2 cents

-Sean


On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 6:02 AM, Christopher Gray <
cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:

> I'm trying to get a sense of whether the benefits of the 844E are worth
> the additional cost relative to the R200/R201. Does anyone have any good
> experience with the Calix and Cambium hardware and monitoring?
>
> I've been using the Cambium system. The routers are mostly stable and
> their monitoring is improving regularly. Other than the more advanced 5 GHz
> capabilities, and the site survey option in the monitoring software, are
> there any compelling reasons to take on the additional cost and to move
> from Cambium to Calix in a WISP environment?
>
> Thank you - Chris
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Mechanical Connectors?

[Carl Peterson]

Don't have any long-term data on this as we haven't deployed them in the
field yet, but we are going to use SWIFT style splice on connectors and the
Ilsintech F1 all in one splicer to splice them on.  I think Brand name
Swift connectors run about $5 each but connectors for 3mm cable are about a
buck a piece from China.  They are not pre-stripped and cleaved so you need
an auto stripper and a cleaver that works for them.  You can use the
multi-pack-f to strip/cleave and then another splicer to splice as long as
the connector splice holder works with your splicer.  We are looking at
doing a ton of drops in MDUs so cost per connector was the driver and the
cheaper connectors pay for an auto stripper in short order.

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 5/25/16 11:11, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
>> Didn't the discussion lead to mechanical sucks, doing a splice is much
>> better?
>>
>
>
> Splice sleeves are under $10.
>
> ~Seth
>



-- 

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] Faisal at snappytelecomm.net

[Wireless Administrator]

Oops, 

The double “M” got me earlier…..

 

Ouch

 

Your message has encountered delivery problems to the following recipient(s):

 

fai...@snappytelecomm.net

(Was addressed to fai...@snappytelecomm.net) Delivery failed after 1 attempts 
within 0 minutes Destination domain does not exist.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 1:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Faisal at snappytelecomm.net

 

>From the header of one of his postings:



 

From: Wireless Administrator   

Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 11:30 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: [AFMUG] Faisal at snappytelecomm.net

 

Anyone know Faisal’s email address at snappytelecomm.net ?

 

Steve B.

 

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Mechanical Connectors?

[Carl Peterson]

On another note, why are splice holders so expensive?  Even the plastic
ones are ridiculously priced.  I just paid $300 for a pair of HF-2.5 splice
holders... crazy.

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 2:28 PM, Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> Don't have any long-term data on this as we haven't deployed them in the
> field yet, but we are going to use SWIFT style splice on connectors and the
> Ilsintech F1 all in one splicer to splice them on.  I think Brand name
> Swift connectors run about $5 each but connectors for 3mm cable are about a
> buck a piece from China.  They are not pre-stripped and cleaved so you need
> an auto stripper and a cleaver that works for them.  You can use the
> multi-pack-f to strip/cleave and then another splicer to splice as long as
> the connector splice holder works with your splicer.  We are looking at
> doing a ton of drops in MDUs so cost per connector was the driver and the
> cheaper connectors pay for an auto stripper in short order.
>
> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
>> On 5/25/16 11:11, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>>> Didn't the discussion lead to mechanical sucks, doing a splice is much
>>> better?
>>>
>>
>>
>> Splice sleeves are under $10.
>>
>> ~Seth
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Carl Peterson
>
> *PORT NETWORKS*
>
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>
> Baltimore, MD 21202
>
> (410) 637-3707
>



-- 

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

[Cameron Crum]

is it a .bak file or just and mdf?

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:12 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I think I would probably have to set up a new database and import the
> backup into it.
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2016 11:04 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>
> I'm not sure how you write queries to a database without accessing it?
>
> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> It is just an exported database backup file.  An mdb file.
>> I don’t trust myself with actually accessing the database.
>>
>> *From:* Cameron Crum 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2016 10:52 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>>
>> Right click on Databases and select Attach.
>>
>> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 11:47 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> Not seeing the import option...
>>>
>>> *From:* Cameron Crum 
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2016 8:45 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>>>
>>> Yeah...easy to do with Sql Express, but make sure you get SQL Server
>>> Management Studio as well. Once installed, open management studio and
>>> import your DB. Select the DB and then click the "New Query" "button" at
>>> the top. Make sure the little pull down shows your database as the default
>>> "master" is sometimes in there if you haven't run a query yet. Now type
>>> your query and hit the "Execute" button.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 9:33 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
 Just want to write some custom query/reports.

 *From:* Cameron Crum 
 *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 7:26 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

 Maybe SQLServer Express? It's free. I guess it depends on what you are
 doing with database.

 On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:41 PM, SmarterBroadband <
 li...@smarterbroadband.com> wrote:

> Home, maybe.  Looks like it.  I’m just reading the web page.
>
>
>
> This is interesting for people who need occasional access.
>
>
>
>
> https://products.office.com/en-us/office-online/documents-spreadsheets-presentations-office-online
>
>
>
> *Get started with Office Online now*
>
> No install required. Choose your favorite app. It's free.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:35 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>
>
>
> Does that mean concurrent logins?  That is pretty important in my
> application.
>
>
>
> *From:* SmarterBroadband 
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:31 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>
>
>
> The home version covers 5 seats and is only $99 a year…..
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:24 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>
>
>
> No, $12/month total for 5 seats.
>
> They say 5 computers.  One would hope concurrent logins.
>
>
>
> *From:* SmarterBroadband 
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:20 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>
>
>
> That is $12 per seat?
>
> Yes, 5 PC but I think only one login?
>
>
>
> · One license covers 5 phones, 5 tablets, & 5 PCs or Macs per
> user
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 8:48 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>
>
>
> I looked at those.  Not thrilled.  I may just go with 365.  $12/month
> for 5 seats.  Not terrible.
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 9:42 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>
>
>
>
> http://www.isunshare.com/blog/how-to-open-and-edit-mdb-file-without-microsoft-access/
>
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Stefan Englhardt 
> wrote:
>
> We’ve an Office365 for this. Keeping Office up to
>
> date is more expensive than renting it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Chuck McCown
> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 24. Mai 2016 17:30
> *An:* af@afmug.com
> *Betreff:* [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

[Cameron Crum]

*an mdf

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

> is it a .bak file or just and mdf?
>
> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:12 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> I think I would probably have to set up a new database and import the
>> backup into it.
>>
>> *From:* Cameron Crum 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2016 11:04 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>>
>> I'm not sure how you write queries to a database without accessing it?
>>
>> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> It is just an exported database backup file.  An mdb file.
>>> I don’t trust myself with actually accessing the database.
>>>
>>> *From:* Cameron Crum 
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2016 10:52 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>>>
>>> Right click on Databases and select Attach.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 11:47 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
 Not seeing the import option...

 *From:* Cameron Crum 
 *Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2016 8:45 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

 Yeah...easy to do with Sql Express, but make sure you get SQL Server
 Management Studio as well. Once installed, open management studio and
 import your DB. Select the DB and then click the "New Query" "button" at
 the top. Make sure the little pull down shows your database as the default
 "master" is sometimes in there if you haven't run a query yet. Now type
 your query and hit the "Execute" button.



 On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 9:33 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Just want to write some custom query/reports.
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 7:26 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>
> Maybe SQLServer Express? It's free. I guess it depends on what you are
> doing with database.
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:41 PM, SmarterBroadband <
> li...@smarterbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Home, maybe.  Looks like it.  I’m just reading the web page.
>>
>>
>>
>> This is interesting for people who need occasional access.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://products.office.com/en-us/office-online/documents-spreadsheets-presentations-office-online
>>
>>
>>
>> *Get started with Office Online now*
>>
>> No install required. Choose your favorite app. It's free.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:35 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>>
>>
>>
>> Does that mean concurrent logins?  That is pretty important in my
>> application.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* SmarterBroadband 
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:31 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>>
>>
>>
>> The home version covers 5 seats and is only $99 a year…..
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:24 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>>
>>
>>
>> No, $12/month total for 5 seats.
>>
>> They say 5 computers.  One would hope concurrent logins.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* SmarterBroadband 
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:20 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>>
>>
>>
>> That is $12 per seat?
>>
>> Yes, 5 PC but I think only one login?
>>
>>
>>
>> · One license covers 5 phones, 5 tablets, & 5 PCs or Macs
>> per user
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 8:48 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>>
>>
>>
>> I looked at those.  Not thrilled.  I may just go with 365.  $12/month
>> for 5 seats.  Not terrible.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 9:42 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.isunshare.com/blog/how-to-open-and-edit-mdb-file-without-microsoft-access/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Stefan Englhardt 
>> wrote:
>>
>> We’ve an Office365 for this. Keeping Office up to
>>
>> date is more expensive than rent

Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

[Chuck McCown]

I actually have SQL running on the real live DB and my query is working.  
Thanks for the suggestions.  
I did a cut and paste into excel from the query.  Not sure if it will create a 
report.  Have not seen that option yet.
But excel gives me the tools I need.  

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 1:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

is it a .bak file or just and mdf?

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:12 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  I think I would probably have to set up a new database and import the backup 
into it.  

  From: Cameron Crum 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 11:04 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

  I'm not sure how you write queries to a database without accessing it? 

  On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

It is just an exported database backup file.  An mdb file.
I don’t trust myself with actually accessing the database.  

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 10:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

Right click on Databases and select Attach. 

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 11:47 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Not seeing the import option...

  From: Cameron Crum 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 8:45 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

  Yeah...easy to do with Sql Express, but make sure you get SQL Server 
Management Studio as well. Once installed, open management studio and import 
your DB. Select the DB and then click the "New Query" "button" at the top. Make 
sure the little pull down shows your database as the default "master" is 
sometimes in there if you haven't run a query yet. Now type your query and hit 
the "Execute" button.  



  On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 9:33 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Just want to write some custom query/reports.

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 7:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

Maybe SQLServer Express? It's free. I guess it depends on what you are 
doing with database. 

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:41 PM, SmarterBroadband 
 wrote:

  Home, maybe.  Looks like it.  I’m just reading the web page.



  This is interesting for people who need occasional access.



  
https://products.office.com/en-us/office-online/documents-spreadsheets-presentations-office-online



  Get started with Office Online now

  No install required. Choose your favorite app. It's free.





  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:35 PM


  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives


  Does that mean concurrent logins?  That is pretty important in my 
application.  



  From: SmarterBroadband 

  Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:31 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives



  The home version covers 5 seats and is only $99 a year…..



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:24 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives



  No, $12/month total for 5 seats.  

  They say 5 computers.  One would hope concurrent logins.  



  From: SmarterBroadband 

  Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:20 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives



  That is $12 per seat?  

  Yes, 5 PC but I think only one login?



  · One license covers 5 phones, 5 tablets, & 5 PCs or Macs per 
user





  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 8:48 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives



  I looked at those.  Not thrilled.  I may just go with 365.  $12/month 
for 5 seats.  Not terrible.  



  From: Josh Luthman 

  Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 9:42 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives



  
http://www.isunshare.com/blog/how-to-open-and-edit-mdb-file-without-microsoft-access/





  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373



  On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Stefan Englhardt  
wrote:

  We’ve an Office365 for this. Keeping Office up to

  date is more expensive than renting it.







  Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Chuck McCown
  Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. Mai 2016 17:30
  An: af@afmug.com
  Betreff: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternat

Re: [AFMUG] Blistering world record WIFI transmission heralds new era in super-fast internet

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

no! I am not allowed to reddit

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Steve  wrote:

> I wish these mailing lists had "Upvotes".
>
> Wonder if the animal farm should make a subreddit...
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 12:34:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Blistering world record WIFI transmission heralds
> new  era in super-fast internet
>
> And sheets of paper and drapery and a well placed sneeze...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Steve
> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 10:28 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Blistering world record WIFI transmission heralds new
> era in super-fast internet
>
> I'm thinking water and clouds are going to be a problem.. :)
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 12:23:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Blistering world record WIFI transmission heralds new
> era in super-fast internet
>
> using a radio frequency of 71-76Hz.
>
> “Only in this frequency range of millimeter waves are the required high
> effective bandwidths available,”
>
> U 70 GHz maybe?  At 10km though?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Steve  wrote:
>
> >
> > https://www.rt.com/viral/344357-wifi-record-transmission-fraunhofer/
> >
> > German scientists have smashed the radio wave data-speed barrier by
> > transmitting information equivalent to the contents of a conventional DVD
> > some 37km in under 10 seconds.
> >
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

[Cameron Crum]

It has a built in report generator, but you are probably right that it will
be faster to work in excel if you are not familiar with it. If you run your
query, the result table will be a lot like excel. Click the top left corner
to select all then right click to copy or copy with headers. Then it is an
easy paste into excel.

Cameron

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 2:29 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I actually have SQL running on the real live DB and my query is working.
> Thanks for the suggestions.
> I did a cut and paste into excel from the query.  Not sure if it will
> create a report.  Have not seen that option yet.
> But excel gives me the tools I need.
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2016 1:24 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>
> is it a .bak file or just and mdf?
>
> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:12 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> I think I would probably have to set up a new database and import the
>> backup into it.
>>
>> *From:* Cameron Crum 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2016 11:04 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>>
>> I'm not sure how you write queries to a database without accessing it?
>>
>> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> It is just an exported database backup file.  An mdb file.
>>> I don’t trust myself with actually accessing the database.
>>>
>>> *From:* Cameron Crum 
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2016 10:52 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>>>
>>> Right click on Databases and select Attach.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 11:47 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
 Not seeing the import option...

 *From:* Cameron Crum 
 *Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2016 8:45 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

 Yeah...easy to do with Sql Express, but make sure you get SQL Server
 Management Studio as well. Once installed, open management studio and
 import your DB. Select the DB and then click the "New Query" "button" at
 the top. Make sure the little pull down shows your database as the default
 "master" is sometimes in there if you haven't run a query yet. Now type
 your query and hit the "Execute" button.



 On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 9:33 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Just want to write some custom query/reports.
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 7:26 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>
> Maybe SQLServer Express? It's free. I guess it depends on what you are
> doing with database.
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:41 PM, SmarterBroadband <
> li...@smarterbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Home, maybe.  Looks like it.  I’m just reading the web page.
>>
>>
>>
>> This is interesting for people who need occasional access.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://products.office.com/en-us/office-online/documents-spreadsheets-presentations-office-online
>>
>>
>>
>> *Get started with Office Online now*
>>
>> No install required. Choose your favorite app. It's free.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:35 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>>
>>
>>
>> Does that mean concurrent logins?  That is pretty important in my
>> application.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* SmarterBroadband 
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:31 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>>
>>
>>
>> The home version covers 5 seats and is only $99 a year…..
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:24 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>>
>>
>>
>> No, $12/month total for 5 seats.
>>
>> They say 5 computers.  One would hope concurrent logins.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* SmarterBroadband 
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:20 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>>
>>
>>
>> That is $12 per seat?
>>
>> Yes, 5 PC but I think only one login?
>>
>>
>>
>> · One license covers 5 phones, 5 tablets, & 5 PCs or Macs
>> per user
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 8:48 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>>
>>
>>
>> I looked at those.  Not thrilled.  I may just go with 365.  $12/

Re: [AFMUG] Blistering world record WIFI transmission heralds new era in super-fast internet

[Micah Miller]

Not allowed to reddit?  Why? He asked sarcastically :)

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 2:38 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
 wrote:
> no! I am not allowed to reddit
>
> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Steve  wrote:
>>
>> I wish these mailing lists had "Upvotes".
>>
>> Wonder if the animal farm should make a subreddit...
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 12:34:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Blistering world record WIFI transmission heralds new
>> era in super-fast internet
>>
>> And sheets of paper and drapery and a well placed sneeze...
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Steve
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 10:28 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Blistering world record WIFI transmission heralds new
>> era in super-fast internet
>>
>> I'm thinking water and clouds are going to be a problem.. :)
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 12:23:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Blistering world record WIFI transmission heralds new
>> era in super-fast internet
>>
>> using a radio frequency of 71-76Hz.
>>
>> “Only in this frequency range of millimeter waves are the required high
>> effective bandwidths available,”
>>
>> U 70 GHz maybe?  At 10km though?
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Steve  wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > https://www.rt.com/viral/344357-wifi-record-transmission-fraunhofer/
>> >
>> > German scientists have smashed the radio wave data-speed barrier by
>> > transmitting information equivalent to the contents of a conventional
>> > DVD
>> > some 37km in under 10 seconds.
>> >
>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.



-- 
Micah Miller
Network/Server Administrator
Network Business Systems, Inc.
Phone: 309-944-8823

Re: [AFMUG] Blistering world record WIFI transmission heralds new era in super-fast internet

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

reddit is where the bad people are at to do the nefarious. im a bad people,
so i dont go there

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Micah Miller  wrote:

> Not allowed to reddit?  Why? He asked sarcastically :)
>
> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 2:38 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>  wrote:
> > no! I am not allowed to reddit
> >
> > On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Steve  wrote:
> >>
> >> I wish these mailing lists had "Upvotes".
> >>
> >> Wonder if the animal farm should make a subreddit...
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 12:34:06 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Blistering world record WIFI transmission heralds
> new
> >> era in super-fast internet
> >>
> >> And sheets of paper and drapery and a well placed sneeze...
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Steve
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 10:28 AM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Blistering world record WIFI transmission heralds
> new
> >> era in super-fast internet
> >>
> >> I'm thinking water and clouds are going to be a problem.. :)
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 12:23:53 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Blistering world record WIFI transmission heralds
> new
> >> era in super-fast internet
> >>
> >> using a radio frequency of 71-76Hz.
> >>
> >> “Only in this frequency range of millimeter waves are the required high
> >> effective bandwidths available,”
> >>
> >> U 70 GHz maybe?  At 10km though?
> >>
> >>
> >> Josh Luthman
> >> Office: 937-552-2340
> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >> 1100 Wayne St
> >> Suite 1337
> >> Troy, OH 45373
> >>
> >> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Steve  wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > https://www.rt.com/viral/344357-wifi-record-transmission-fraunhofer/
> >> >
> >> > German scientists have smashed the radio wave data-speed barrier by
> >> > transmitting information equivalent to the contents of a conventional
> >> > DVD
> >> > some 37km in under 10 seconds.
> >> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as
> > part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>
> --
> Micah Miller
> Network/Server Administrator
> Network Business Systems, Inc.
> Phone: 309-944-8823
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] DIN rail mount 30 vdc PSU?

[Chuck McCown]

Funny, notice the CE mark on the power supply.  
Then take a look at this:

http://blog.asiaqualityfocus.com/official-ce-logo-and-fake-laboratory-ce-certificate/

I think it is legit, but I wonder every time I see the CE mark anymore.  


From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 1:56 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DIN rail mount 30 vdc PSU?

Idec ps5r series 24vdc + - 10

On May 25, 2016 12:04 PM, "Josh Baird"  wrote:

  Yeah - I like it, just need a little more power.  150-180W would be nice.

  On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

I think they're fairly new... I wish they had a 150 watt version.


On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:48 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

  That's not bad. Didn't even know it existed.


  On 5/25/2016 12:30 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

If you can get away with 100 watts, I really like the Meanwell 
DRC-100B, it's a much nicer package for DIN mounting.


On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

  I've been using these and batteries and have been happy: 

  ACDC battery charger

a.. Meanwell AD-155B 
b.. Meanwell DRL-02 
c.. Meanwell DRP-03 
d.. Three M3x6 screws and two M4x6 screws 



  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Josh Baird  
wrote:

Nearly all 24VDC power supplies will crank up to 29-30V.  This is 
very common.

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Sam Lambie  
wrote:

  Hey all,


  I am looking for a Power supply (AC-DC) to Power Cambiums 100-450 
gear. It's easy to find 24vdc but the 30vdc is elusive?

  I have been using the Meanwell SDR-24vdc and cranking them up to 
28 vdc but I would rather do it right. Anyone have sources for such Power 
Supplies?


  thanks

  Sam


  -- 

  -- 
  Sam Lambie
  Taosnet Wireless Tech.
  575-758-7598 Office
  www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] DIN rail mount 30 vdc PSU?

[Jaime Solorza]

These are the bargain ones we use.. puls is mostly what we like
On May 25, 2016 2:08 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Funny, notice the CE mark on the power supply.
> Then take a look at this:
>
>
> http://blog.asiaqualityfocus.com/official-ce-logo-and-fake-laboratory-ce-certificate/
>
> I think it is legit, but I wonder every time I see the CE mark anymore.
>
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2016 1:56 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DIN rail mount 30 vdc PSU?
>
>
> Idec ps5r series 24vdc + - 10
> On May 25, 2016 12:04 PM, "Josh Baird"  wrote:
>
>> Yeah - I like it, just need a little more power.  150-180W would be nice.
>>
>> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think they're fairly new... I wish they had a 150 watt version.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:48 PM, George Skorup 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 That's not bad. Didn't even know it existed.

 On 5/25/2016 12:30 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

 If you can get away with 100 watts, I really like the Meanwell
 DRC-100B, it's a much nicer package for DIN mounting.

 On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> I've been using these and batteries and have been happy:
>
>
> ACDC battery charger
>
>- Meanwell AD-155B
>
> 
>- Meanwell DRL-02
>
> 
>- Meanwell DRP-03
>
> 
>- Three M3x6 screws and two M4x6 screws
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Josh Baird 
> wrote:
>
>> Nearly all 24VDC power supplies will crank up to 29-30V.  This is
>> very common.
>>
>> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Sam Lambie 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all,
>>>
>>> I am looking for a Power supply (AC-DC) to Power Cambiums 100-450
>>> gear. It's easy to find 24vdc but the 30vdc is elusive?
>>> I have been using the Meanwell SDR-24vdc and cranking them up to 28
>>> vdc but I would rather do it right. Anyone have sources for such Power
>>> Supplies?
>>>
>>> thanks
>>> Sam
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>> 575-758-7598 Office
>>> www.Taosnet.com
>>>
>>
>>
>
>




>>>
>>
>>
>

[AFMUG] Fairgrounds WiFi

[SmarterBroadband]

We are looking to upgrade some equipment we use to provide WiFi to a
fairgrounds site.

 

Has anyone compared Cambium cnMaestro vs UBNT UniFi?  Good / Bad?

 

Looks like the Cambium E500 is not available yet.   Therefore thinking ePMP
1000 Hotspot.   Can deployed Hotspot APs be grouped in cnMaestro so we can
change wifi wpa passwords across multiple APs at once?

 

Is UniFi a good solution today?

 

Is Mikrotik with CAPsMan worth a look.

 

Any thoughts ideas appreciated.

 

Adam

 

Re: [AFMUG] Fairgrounds WiFi

[Jaime Solorza]

Look at Samsung new wifi gear...hear it is kicking Cisco and others out at
large venues..
On May 25, 2016 2:21 PM, "SmarterBroadband" 
wrote:

> We are looking to upgrade some equipment we use to provide WiFi to a
> fairgrounds site.
>
>
>
> Has anyone compared Cambium cnMaestro vs UBNT UniFi?  Good / Bad?
>
>
>
> Looks like the Cambium E500 is not available yet.   Therefore thinking
> ePMP 1000 Hotspot.   Can deployed Hotspot APs be grouped in cnMaestro so we
> can change wifi wpa passwords across multiple APs at once?
>
>
>
> Is UniFi a good solution today?
>
>
>
> Is Mikrotik with CAPsMan worth a look.
>
>
>
> Any thoughts ideas appreciated.
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] DIN rail mount 30 vdc PSU?

[Bill Prince]

That looks like the fake one to me.


bp


On 5/25/2016 1:08 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Funny, notice the CE mark on the power supply.
Then take a look at this:
http://blog.asiaqualityfocus.com/official-ce-logo-and-fake-laboratory-ce-certificate/
I think it is legit, but I wonder every time I see the CE mark anymore.
*From:* Jaime Solorza 
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2016 1:56 PM
*To:* Animal Farm 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DIN rail mount 30 vdc PSU?

Idec ps5r series 24vdc + - 10

On May 25, 2016 12:04 PM, "Josh Baird" > wrote:


Yeah - I like it, just need a little more power.  150-180W would
be nice.
On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Mathew Howard
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I think they're fairly new... I wish they had a 150 watt version.
On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:48 PM, George Skorup
mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote:

That's not bad. Didn't even know it existed.

On 5/25/2016 12:30 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

If you can get away with 100 watts, I really like the
Meanwell DRC-100B, it's a much nicer package for DIN
mounting.
On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

I've been using these and batteries and have been happy:

ACDC battery charger

  * Meanwell AD-155B



  * Meanwell DRL-02



  * Meanwell DRP-03



  * Three M3x6 screws and two M4x6 screws


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Josh Baird
mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Nearly all 24VDC power supplies will crank up to
29-30V.  This is very common.
On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Sam Lambie
mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hey all,

I am looking for a Power supply (AC-DC) to
Power Cambiums 100-450 gear. It's easy to
find 24vdc but the 30vdc is elusive?
I have been using the Meanwell SDR-24vdc and
cranking them up to 28 vdc but I would rather
do it right. Anyone have sources for such
Power Supplies?

thanks
Sam

-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*

Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598  Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] DIN rail mount 30 vdc PSU?

[Jaime Solorza]

May a yak barf on your post toasties
On May 25, 2016 2:29 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

> That looks like the fake one to me.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 5/25/2016 1:08 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Funny, notice the CE mark on the power supply.
> Then take a look at this:
>
>
> http://blog.asiaqualityfocus.com/official-ce-logo-and-fake-laboratory-ce-certificate/
>
> I think it is legit, but I wonder every time I see the CE mark anymore.
>
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2016 1:56 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DIN rail mount 30 vdc PSU?
>
>
> Idec ps5r series 24vdc + - 10
> On May 25, 2016 12:04 PM, "Josh Baird"  wrote:
>
>> Yeah - I like it, just need a little more power.  150-180W would be nice.
>>
>> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think they're fairly new... I wish they had a 150 watt version.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:48 PM, George Skorup 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 That's not bad. Didn't even know it existed.

 On 5/25/2016 12:30 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

 If you can get away with 100 watts, I really like the Meanwell
 DRC-100B, it's a much nicer package for DIN mounting.

 On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> I've been using these and batteries and have been happy:
>
>
> ACDC battery charger
>
>- Meanwell AD-155B
>
> 
>- Meanwell DRL-02
>
> 
>- Meanwell DRP-03
>
> 
>- Three M3x6 screws and two M4x6 screws
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Josh Baird 
> wrote:
>
>> Nearly all 24VDC power supplies will crank up to 29-30V.  This is
>> very common.
>>
>> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Sam Lambie 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all,
>>>
>>> I am looking for a Power supply (AC-DC) to Power Cambiums 100-450
>>> gear. It's easy to find 24vdc but the 30vdc is elusive?
>>> I have been using the Meanwell SDR-24vdc and cranking them up to 28
>>> vdc but I would rather do it right. Anyone have sources for such Power
>>> Supplies?
>>>
>>> thanks
>>> Sam
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>> 575-758-7598 Office
>>> www.Taosnet.com
>>>
>>
>>
>
>




>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] DIN rail mount 30 vdc PSU?

[Chuck McCown]

We aren’t in the EU so we really don’t care as long as it works.   Right?

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 2:32 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DIN rail mount 30 vdc PSU?

May a yak barf on your post toasties 

On May 25, 2016 2:29 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

  That looks like the fake one to me.



bp


On 5/25/2016 1:08 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Funny, notice the CE mark on the power supply.  
Then take a look at this:


http://blog.asiaqualityfocus.com/official-ce-logo-and-fake-laboratory-ce-certificate/

I think it is legit, but I wonder every time I see the CE mark anymore.  


From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 1:56 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DIN rail mount 30 vdc PSU?

Idec ps5r series 24vdc + - 10

On May 25, 2016 12:04 PM, "Josh Baird"  wrote:

  Yeah - I like it, just need a little more power.  150-180W would be nice.

  On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Mathew Howard  
wrote:

I think they're fairly new... I wish they had a 150 watt version.


On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:48 PM, George Skorup  
wrote:

  That's not bad. Didn't even know it existed.


  On 5/25/2016 12:30 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

If you can get away with 100 watts, I really like the Meanwell 
DRC-100B, it's a much nicer package for DIN mounting.


On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

  I've been using these and batteries and have been happy: 

  ACDC battery charger

a.. Meanwell AD-155B 
b.. Meanwell DRL-02 
c.. Meanwell DRP-03 
d.. Three M3x6 screws and two M4x6 screws 



  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Josh Baird 
 wrote:

Nearly all 24VDC power supplies will crank up to 29-30V.  This 
is very common.

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Sam Lambie 
 wrote:

  Hey all,


  I am looking for a Power supply (AC-DC) to Power Cambiums 
100-450 gear. It's easy to find 24vdc but the 30vdc is elusive?

  I have been using the Meanwell SDR-24vdc and cranking them up 
to 28 vdc but I would rather do it right. Anyone have sources for such Power 
Supplies?


  thanks

  Sam


  -- 

  -- 
  Sam Lambie
  Taosnet Wireless Tech.
  575-758-7598 Office
  www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] DIN rail mount 30 vdc PSU?

[Bill Prince]

Glad I don't eat Post Toasties.

But don't you touch my Russian Rye bread!


bp


On 5/25/2016 1:32 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:


May a yak barf on your post toasties

On May 25, 2016 2:29 PM, "Bill Prince" > wrote:


That looks like the fake one to me.


bp


On 5/25/2016 1:08 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Funny, notice the CE mark on the power supply.
Then take a look at this:

http://blog.asiaqualityfocus.com/official-ce-logo-and-fake-laboratory-ce-certificate/
I think it is legit, but I wonder every time I see the CE mark
anymore.
*From:* Jaime Solorza 
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2016 1:56 PM
*To:* Animal Farm 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DIN rail mount 30 vdc PSU?

Idec ps5r series 24vdc + - 10

On May 25, 2016 12:04 PM, "Josh Baird" mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Yeah - I like it, just need a little more power.  150-180W
would be nice.
On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Mathew Howard
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I think they're fairly new... I wish they had a 150 watt
version.
On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:48 PM, George Skorup
mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote:

That's not bad. Didn't even know it existed.

On 5/25/2016 12:30 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

If you can get away with 100 watts, I really like
the Meanwell DRC-100B, it's a much nicer package for
DIN mounting.
On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

I've been using these and batteries and have
been happy:

ACDC battery charger

  * Meanwell AD-155B



  * Meanwell DRL-02



  * Meanwell DRP-03



  * Three M3x6 screws and two M4x6 screws


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Josh Baird
mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Nearly all 24VDC power supplies will crank
up to 29-30V. This is very common.
On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Sam Lambie
mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hey all,

I am looking for a Power supply (AC-DC)
to Power Cambiums 100-450 gear. It's
easy to find 24vdc but the 30vdc is elusive?
I have been using the Meanwell SDR-24vdc
and cranking them up to 28 vdc but I
would rather do it right. Anyone have
sources for such Power Supplies?

thanks
Sam

-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*

Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598  Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] DIN rail mount 30 vdc PSU?

[Bill Prince]

That's the way it seems.


bp


On 5/25/2016 1:33 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

We aren’t in the EU so we really don’t care as long as it works.   Right?
*From:* Jaime Solorza 
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2016 2:32 PM
*To:* Animal Farm 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DIN rail mount 30 vdc PSU?

May a yak barf on your post toasties

On May 25, 2016 2:29 PM, "Bill Prince" > wrote:


That looks like the fake one to me.

bp


On 5/25/2016 1:08 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Funny, notice the CE mark on the power supply.
Then take a look at this:

http://blog.asiaqualityfocus.com/official-ce-logo-and-fake-laboratory-ce-certificate/
I think it is legit, but I wonder every time I see the CE mark
anymore.
*From:* Jaime Solorza 
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2016 1:56 PM
*To:* Animal Farm 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DIN rail mount 30 vdc PSU?

Idec ps5r series 24vdc + - 10

On May 25, 2016 12:04 PM, "Josh Baird" mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Yeah - I like it, just need a little more power.  150-180W
would be nice.
On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Mathew Howard
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I think they're fairly new... I wish they had a 150 watt
version.
On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:48 PM, George Skorup
mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote:

That's not bad. Didn't even know it existed.

On 5/25/2016 12:30 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

If you can get away with 100 watts, I really like
the Meanwell DRC-100B, it's a much nicer package for
DIN mounting.
On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

I've been using these and batteries and have
been happy:

ACDC battery charger

  * Meanwell AD-155B



  * Meanwell DRL-02



  * Meanwell DRP-03



  * Three M3x6 screws and two M4x6 screws


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Josh Baird
mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Nearly all 24VDC power supplies will crank
up to 29-30V. This is very common.
On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Sam Lambie
mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hey all,

I am looking for a Power supply (AC-DC)
to Power Cambiums 100-450 gear. It's
easy to find 24vdc but the 30vdc is elusive?
I have been using the Meanwell SDR-24vdc
and cranking them up to 28 vdc but I
would rather do it right. Anyone have
sources for such Power Supplies?

thanks
Sam

-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*

Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598  Office
www.Taosnet.com 

[AFMUG] OT I screwed myself

[Chuck McCown]

My oldest son is a computer security specialist / forensic guy.

He was telling my my super complicated password was not so secure.  
He cracked it pretty easy.  He suggested I add an alt code.

So I did.  Now, neither one of us can open the file.  
Guess alt codes in passwords for some Office products cause big problems.  

Arrgh.

Re: [AFMUG] OT I screwed myself

[Chuck Macenski]

The most secure network is also the most unusable network...

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 3:36 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> My oldest son is a computer security specialist / forensic guy.
>
> He was telling my my super complicated password was not so secure.
> He cracked it pretty easy.  He suggested I add an alt code.
>
> So I did.  Now, neither one of us can open the file.
> Guess alt codes in passwords for some Office products cause big problems.
>
> Arrgh.
>

Re: [AFMUG] DIN rail mount 30 vdc PSU?

[Jaime Solorza]

Well it seems when I recommend gear it is too expensive so I tried
recommending the more affordable stuff but reliable.  Stick to I Mean well
if you wishand blooey
On May 25, 2016 2:33 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> We aren’t in the EU so we really don’t care as long as it works.   Right?
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2016 2:32 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DIN rail mount 30 vdc PSU?
>
>
> May a yak barf on your post toasties
> On May 25, 2016 2:29 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>
>> That looks like the fake one to me.
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 5/25/2016 1:08 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> Funny, notice the CE mark on the power supply.
>> Then take a look at this:
>>
>>
>> http://blog.asiaqualityfocus.com/official-ce-logo-and-fake-laboratory-ce-certificate/
>>
>> I think it is legit, but I wonder every time I see the CE mark anymore.
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2016 1:56 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DIN rail mount 30 vdc PSU?
>>
>>
>> Idec ps5r series 24vdc + - 10
>> On May 25, 2016 12:04 PM, "Josh Baird"  wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah - I like it, just need a little more power.  150-180W would be nice.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Mathew Howard 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I think they're fairly new... I wish they had a 150 watt version.

 On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:48 PM, George Skorup 
 wrote:

> That's not bad. Didn't even know it existed.
>
> On 5/25/2016 12:30 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
> If you can get away with 100 watts, I really like the Meanwell
> DRC-100B, it's a much nicer package for DIN mounting.
>
> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> I've been using these and batteries and have been happy:
>>
>>
>> ACDC battery charger
>>
>>- Meanwell AD-155B
>>
>> 
>>- Meanwell DRL-02
>>
>> 
>>- Meanwell DRP-03
>>
>> 
>>- Three M3x6 screws and two M4x6 screws
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Josh Baird 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Nearly all 24VDC power supplies will crank up to 29-30V.  This is
>>> very common.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Sam Lambie 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hey all,

 I am looking for a Power supply (AC-DC) to Power Cambiums 100-450
 gear. It's easy to find 24vdc but the 30vdc is elusive?
 I have been using the Meanwell SDR-24vdc and cranking them up to 28
 vdc but I would rather do it right. Anyone have sources for such Power
 Supplies?

 thanks
 Sam

 --
 --
 *Sam Lambie*
 Taosnet Wireless Tech.
 575-758-7598 Office
 www.Taosnet.com

>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

>>>
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT I screwed myself

[Jaime Solorza]

Whew.  I thoughts it was porn before I read it.   TRK will wipe out
passwords
On May 25, 2016 2:36 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> My oldest son is a computer security specialist / forensic guy.
>
> He was telling my my super complicated password was not so secure.
> He cracked it pretty easy.  He suggested I add an alt code.
>
> So I did.  Now, neither one of us can open the file.
> Guess alt codes in passwords for some Office products cause big problems.
>
> Arrgh.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT I screwed myself

[Jon Auer]

https://xkcd.com/936/

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 3:36 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> My oldest son is a computer security specialist / forensic guy.
>
> He was telling my my super complicated password was not so secure.
> He cracked it pretty easy.  He suggested I add an alt code.
>
> So I did.  Now, neither one of us can open the file.
> Guess alt codes in passwords for some Office products cause big problems.
>
> Arrgh.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT I screwed myself

[Chuck McCown]

I want all computers to be able to sniff my DNA and automatically encrypt 
everything unless I am sitting there.  

From: Jon Auer 
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 2:43 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I screwed myself

https://xkcd.com/936/


On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 3:36 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  My oldest son is a computer security specialist / forensic guy.

  He was telling my my super complicated password was not so secure.  
  He cracked it pretty easy.  He suggested I add an alt code.

  So I did.  Now, neither one of us can open the file.  
  Guess alt codes in passwords for some Office products cause big problems.  

  Arrgh.

Re: [AFMUG] Fairgrounds WiFi

[SmarterBroadband]

Looks like a different price point.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 1:23 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fairgrounds WiFi

 

Look at Samsung new wifi gear...hear it is kicking Cisco and others out at 
large venues..   

On May 25, 2016 2:21 PM, "SmarterBroadband"  wrote:

We are looking to upgrade some equipment we use to provide WiFi to a 
fairgrounds site.

 

Has anyone compared Cambium cnMaestro vs UBNT UniFi?  Good / Bad?

 

Looks like the Cambium E500 is not available yet.   Therefore thinking ePMP 
1000 Hotspot.   Can deployed Hotspot APs be grouped in cnMaestro so we can 
change wifi wpa passwords across multiple APs at once?

 

Is UniFi a good solution today?

 

Is Mikrotik with CAPsMan worth a look.

 

Any thoughts ideas appreciated.

 

Adam

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT I screwed myself

[Robert Andrews]

Damn, they published my horse battery staple correct password!

On 05/25/2016 01:43 PM, Jon Auer wrote:

https://xkcd.com/936/

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 3:36 PM, Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

My oldest son is a computer security specialist / forensic guy.
He was telling my my super complicated password was not so secure.
He cracked it pretty easy.  He suggested I add an alt code.
So I did.  Now, neither one of us can open the file.
Guess alt codes in passwords for some Office products cause big
problems.
Arrgh.

Re: [AFMUG] OT I screwed myself

[Seth Mattinen]

On 5/25/16 13:36, Chuck McCown wrote:

My oldest son is a computer security specialist / forensic guy.

He was telling my my super complicated password was not so secure.
He cracked it pretty easy.  He suggested I add an alt code.

So I did.  Now, neither one of us can open the file.
Guess alt codes in passwords for some Office products cause big problems.

Arrgh.



But it's secure now, technically.

Re: [AFMUG] OT I screwed myself

[Chuck McCown]

I'll say.  


For a new password I am considering:
inside housing puppets stay warm
oxygen puppet dagger manganese 
electricity wire wrapped around the anus 
Dong porcelain l swear 

-Original Message- 
From: Seth Mattinen 
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 2:50 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I screwed myself 


On 5/25/16 13:36, Chuck McCown wrote:

My oldest son is a computer security specialist / forensic guy.

He was telling my my super complicated password was not so secure.
He cracked it pretty easy.  He suggested I add an alt code.

So I did.  Now, neither one of us can open the file.
Guess alt codes in passwords for some Office products cause big problems.

Arrgh.



But it's secure now, technically.

Re: [AFMUG] OT I screwed myself

[Chuck McCown]

baby monkey puppy

-Original Message- 
From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 2:53 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I screwed myself 

I'll say.  


For a new password I am considering:
inside housing puppets stay warm
oxygen puppet dagger manganese 
electricity wire wrapped around the anus 
Dong porcelain l swear 

-Original Message- 
From: Seth Mattinen 
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 2:50 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I screwed myself 


On 5/25/16 13:36, Chuck McCown wrote:

My oldest son is a computer security specialist / forensic guy.

He was telling my my super complicated password was not so secure.
He cracked it pretty easy.  He suggested I add an alt code.

So I did.  Now, neither one of us can open the file.
Guess alt codes in passwords for some Office products cause big problems.

Arrgh.



But it's secure now, technically.

Re: [AFMUG] OT I un-screwed myself

[Chuck McCown]

I unscrewed myself.

In windows file explorer, there is a view option that has a preview option.
With preview selected you get the contents of a file on the right side of 
the screen.


I was trying various combinations of my password and noticed that on one of 
the tries, the preview pane showed some content.
After a few more tries I discovered that putting a zero in front of the alt 
code allowed the preview to show content.
The file still would not open, but I could cut and paste from the preview 
pane and I got it all.


Sometimes you luck out.

-Original Message- 
From: Chuck McCown

Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 3:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I screwed myself

baby monkey puppy

-Original Message- 
From: Chuck McCown

Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 2:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I screwed myself

I'll say.

For a new password I am considering:
inside housing puppets stay warm
oxygen puppet dagger manganese
electricity wire wrapped around the anus
Dong porcelain l swear

-Original Message- 
From: Seth Mattinen

Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 2:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I screwed myself

On 5/25/16 13:36, Chuck McCown wrote:

My oldest son is a computer security specialist / forensic guy.

He was telling my my super complicated password was not so secure.
He cracked it pretty easy.  He suggested I add an alt code.

So I did.  Now, neither one of us can open the file.
Guess alt codes in passwords for some Office products cause big problems.

Arrgh.



But it's secure now, technically. 

Re: [AFMUG] OT I un-screwed myself

[Cassidy B. Larson]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/01/21/11-year-old-girl-sets-up-business-selling-secure-passwords-for-2/
 



> On May 25, 2016, at 3:07 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> I unscrewed myself.
> 
> In windows file explorer, there is a view option that has a preview option.
> With preview selected you get the contents of a file on the right side of the 
> screen.
> 
> I was trying various combinations of my password and noticed that on one of 
> the tries, the preview pane showed some content.
> After a few more tries I discovered that putting a zero in front of the alt 
> code allowed the preview to show content.
> The file still would not open, but I could cut and paste from the preview 
> pane and I got it all.
> 
> Sometimes you luck out.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown
> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 3:04 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I screwed myself
> 
> baby monkey puppy
> 
> -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown
> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 2:53 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I screwed myself
> 
> I'll say.
> 
> For a new password I am considering:
> inside housing puppets stay warm
> oxygen puppet dagger manganese
> electricity wire wrapped around the anus
> Dong porcelain l swear
> 
> -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 2:50 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I screwed myself
> 
> On 5/25/16 13:36, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> My oldest son is a computer security specialist / forensic guy.
>> 
>> He was telling my my super complicated password was not so secure.
>> He cracked it pretty easy.  He suggested I add an alt code.
>> 
>> So I did.  Now, neither one of us can open the file.
>> Guess alt codes in passwords for some Office products cause big problems.
>> 
>> Arrgh.
> 
> 
> But it's secure now, technically.

Re: [AFMUG] R200/R201 vs 844E

[Jason McKemie]

I can get you in touch with my reseller as well. They're out of Iowa
though...

On Wednesday, May 25, 2016, Gino Villarini  wrote:

> me 3
>
> btw: Calix has not gotten back to me... 2 weeks and counting
>
> Get Outlook for iOS 
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 5:34 AM -0700, "Josh Baird"  > wrote:
>
> I would also like some feedback.  I'm more interested in the
>> provisioning/deployment/configuration management options for each.  I know
>> that Cambium is planning to introduce some improvements/features for
>> provisioning in upcoming versions of cnMaestro that should be things
>> better.  How does provisioning/deployment/configuration management work in
>> Calix-land?  How much more are you being quoted for the 844E?
>>
>> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 8:02 AM, Christopher Gray <
>> cg...@graytechsoftware.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I'm trying to get a sense of whether the benefits of the 844E are worth
>>> the additional cost relative to the R200/R201. Does anyone have any good
>>> experience with the Calix and Cambium hardware and monitoring?
>>>
>>> I've been using the Cambium system. The routers are mostly stable and
>>> their monitoring is improving regularly. Other than the more advanced 5 GHz
>>> capabilities, and the site survey option in the monitoring software, are
>>> there any compelling reasons to take on the additional cost and to move
>>> from Cambium to Calix in a WISP environment?
>>>
>>> Thank you - Chris
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT I un-screwed myself

[Ken Hohhof]

I think I’ll start a business selling random numbers.

Who’s to say 12345 isn’t a random number?

Wait, this sounds a lot like the fortune cookie business.


From: Cassidy B. Larson 
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 4:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I un-screwed myself

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/01/21/11-year-old-girl-sets-up-business-selling-secure-passwords-for-2/
 


  On May 25, 2016, at 3:07 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  I unscrewed myself.

  In windows file explorer, there is a view option that has a preview option.
  With preview selected you get the contents of a file on the right side of the 
screen.

  I was trying various combinations of my password and noticed that on one of 
the tries, the preview pane showed some content.
  After a few more tries I discovered that putting a zero in front of the alt 
code allowed the preview to show content.
  The file still would not open, but I could cut and paste from the preview 
pane and I got it all.

  Sometimes you luck out.

  -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown
  Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 3:04 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I screwed myself

  baby monkey puppy

  -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown
  Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 2:53 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I screwed myself

  I'll say.

  For a new password I am considering:
  inside housing puppets stay warm
  oxygen puppet dagger manganese
  electricity wire wrapped around the anus
  Dong porcelain l swear

  -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
  Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 2:50 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I screwed myself

  On 5/25/16 13:36, Chuck McCown wrote:

My oldest son is a computer security specialist / forensic guy.

He was telling my my super complicated password was not so secure.
He cracked it pretty easy.  He suggested I add an alt code.

So I did.  Now, neither one of us can open the file.
Guess alt codes in passwords for some Office products cause big problems.

Arrgh.



  But it's secure now, technically. 

Re: [AFMUG] OT I screwed myself

[Joshaven Mailing Lists]

Try making it longer rather than strange.  Make your password long not cryptic. 
 For good measure to pass stupid password tests put in a capital and number but 
that doesn’t make it harder to crack.  They are still going try every 
combination including those characters just in case.


b7^w3@  ( 400 ms )
P@s5wor!( 9 hours )
P@ssw0rd( Still 9 hours )
thisisalongbutsimplepassword( 3 SEXTILLION YEARS )
cottoncandyman  ( 51 Years )

https://howsecureismypassword.net/ 

See if he can crack something long but easy for you to type




Sincerely,
Joshaven Potter
Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co
Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
supp...@joshaven.com



> On May 25, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> My oldest son is a computer security specialist / forensic guy.
>  
> He was telling my my super complicated password was not so secure. 
> He cracked it pretty easy.  He suggested I add an alt code.
>  
> So I did.  Now, neither one of us can open the file. 
> Guess alt codes in passwords for some Office products cause big problems. 
>  
> Arrgh.

Re: [AFMUG] OT I screwed myself

[Josh Luthman]

Keepass

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On May 25, 2016 6:18 PM, "Joshaven Mailing Lists" 
wrote:

> Try making it longer rather than strange.  Make your password long not
> cryptic.  For good measure to pass stupid password tests put in a capital
> and number but that doesn’t make it harder to crack.  They are still going
> try every combination including those characters just in case.
>
>
> b7^w3@   ( 400 ms )
> P@s5wor! ( 9 hours )
> P@ssw0rd ( Still 9 hours )
> thisisalongbutsimplepassword   ( 3 SEXTILLION YEARS )
> cottoncandyman ( 51 Years )
>
> https://howsecureismypassword.net/
>
> See if he can crack something long but easy for you to type
>
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Joshaven Potter
> Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co
> Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
> supp...@joshaven.com
>
>
>
> On May 25, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> My oldest son is a computer security specialist / forensic guy.
>
> He was telling my my super complicated password was not so secure.
> He cracked it pretty easy.  He suggested I add an alt code.
>
> So I did.  Now, neither one of us can open the file.
> Guess alt codes in passwords for some Office products cause big problems.
>
> Arrgh.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT I screwed myself

[Chuck McCown]

Now is that better than a spreadsheet?

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 4:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I screwed myself

Keepass

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On May 25, 2016 6:18 PM, "Joshaven Mailing Lists"  wrote:

  Try making it longer rather than strange.  Make your password long not 
cryptic.  For good measure to pass stupid password tests put in a capital and 
number but that doesn’t make it harder to crack.  They are still going try 
every combination including those characters just in case.


  b7^w3@   ( 400 ms )
  P@s5wor! ( 9 hours )
  P@ssw0rd ( Still 9 hours )
  thisisalongbutsimplepassword   ( 3 SEXTILLION YEARS )
  cottoncandyman ( 51 Years )

  https://howsecureismypassword.net/

  See if he can crack something long but easy for you to type




  Sincerely,
  Joshaven Potter
  Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co
  Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
  supp...@joshaven.com




On May 25, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

My oldest son is a computer security specialist / forensic guy.

He was telling my my super complicated password was not so secure.  
He cracked it pretty easy.  He suggested I add an alt code.

So I did.  Now, neither one of us can open the file.  
Guess alt codes in passwords for some Office products cause big problems.  

Arrgh.

Re: [AFMUG] Firmware

[Dan Petermann]

Any updates?  

Its been a month.

On Apr 25, 2016, at 10:18 AM, Aaron Schneider 
 wrote:

> We are tracking one last issue for the release related to multiple 
> simultaneous SM session drops.  We will have an open beta refresh build this 
> week which should be 99.9% of the way to release.  We are looking to have the 
> official release within 2 weeks, but depends on this last issue.
> 
> Regards,
> -Aaron
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/25/16, 4:30 PM, "Af on behalf of Dan Petermann"  behalf of danpartym...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> Has anyone heard when 14.1.2 will be out?

Re: [AFMUG] OT I screwed myself

[Tushar Patel]

That is a good point. 

I have been using keepass, but since you mentioned spreadsheet, I think you 
could achieve same thing with password protected spreadsheet.

Tushar


> On May 25, 2016, at 5:24 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> Now is that better than a spreadsheet?
>  
> From: Josh Luthman
> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 4:22 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I screwed myself
>  
> Keepass
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>> On May 25, 2016 6:18 PM, "Joshaven Mailing Lists"  
>> wrote:
>> Try making it longer rather than strange.  Make your password long not 
>> cryptic.  For good measure to pass stupid password tests put in a capital 
>> and number but that doesn’t make it harder to crack.  They are still going 
>> try every combination including those characters just in case.
>>  
>>  
>> b7^w3@   ( 400 ms )
>> P@s5wor! ( 9 hours )
>> P@ssw0rd ( Still 9 hours )
>> thisisalongbutsimplepassword   ( 3 SEXTILLION YEARS )
>> cottoncandyman ( 51 Years )
>>  
>> https://howsecureismypassword.net/
>>  
>> See if he can crack something long but easy for you to type
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Sincerely,
>> Joshaven Potter
>> Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co
>> Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
>> supp...@joshaven.com
>> 
>> 
>>  
>>> On May 25, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>  
>>> My oldest son is a computer security specialist / forensic guy.
>>>  
>>> He was telling my my super complicated password was not so secure. 
>>> He cracked it pretty easy.  He suggested I add an alt code.
>>>  
>>> So I did.  Now, neither one of us can open the file. 
>>> Guess alt codes in passwords for some Office products cause big problems. 
>>>  
>>> Arrgh.

Re: [AFMUG] OT I screwed myself

[Bill Prince]

If Keepass backs up to the cloud, the spreadsheet might be more secure.


bp


On 5/25/2016 3:24 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Now is that better than a spreadsheet?
*From:* Josh Luthman 
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2016 4:22 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT I screwed myself

Keepass

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On May 25, 2016 6:18 PM, "Joshaven Mailing Lists" > wrote:


Try making it longer rather than strange.  Make your password long
not cryptic.  For good measure to pass stupid password tests put
in a capital and number but that doesn’t make it harder to crack.
They are still going try every combination including those
characters just in case.
b7^w3@ ( 400 ms )
P@s5wor!( 9 hours )
P@ssw0rd( Still 9 hours )
thisisalongbutsimplepassword ( 3 SEXTILLION YEARS )
cottoncandyman ( 51 Years )
https://howsecureismypassword.net/
See if he can crack something long but easy for you to type
Sincerely,
Joshaven Potter
Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co 
Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370 
supp...@joshaven.com 



On May 25, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
My oldest son is a computer security specialist / forensic guy.
He was telling my my super complicated password was not so secure.
He cracked it pretty easy.  He suggested I add an alt code.
So I did.  Now, neither one of us can open the file.
Guess alt codes in passwords for some Office products cause big
problems.
Arrgh.

Re: [AFMUG] OT I screwed myself

[Eric Kuhnke]

Keepass is a local storage based solution. There's a multitude of keepass
clients that exist for windows, linux and OSX, it's an open source standard
key file format.

You can run keepass on a computer with no network connectivity at all.

Where you keep your keepass file is up to you - the default would be local
storage on your laptop or desktop, or you can have things like NFS mounts,
SMB/CIFS, or if you're (in my opinion) reckless you can keep your keepass
key file in a folder that is backed up by dropbox, microsoft onedrive,
backblaze, etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KeePass

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 3:33 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> If Keepass backs up to the cloud, the spreadsheet might be more secure.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 5/25/2016 3:24 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Now is that better than a spreadsheet?
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2016 4:22 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT I screwed myself
>
>
> Keepass
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On May 25, 2016 6:18 PM, "Joshaven Mailing Lists" 
> wrote:
>
>> Try making it longer rather than strange.  Make your password long not
>> cryptic.  For good measure to pass stupid password tests put in a capital
>> and number but that doesn’t make it harder to crack.  They are still going
>> try every combination including those characters just in case.
>>
>>
>> b7^w3@   ( 400 ms )
>> P@s5wor! ( 9 hours )
>> P@ssw0rd ( Still 9 hours )
>> thisisalongbutsimplepassword   ( 3 SEXTILLION YEARS )
>> cottoncandyman ( 51 Years )
>>
>> https://howsecureismypassword.net/
>>
>> See if he can crack something long but easy for you to type
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Joshaven Potter
>> Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co
>> Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
>> supp...@joshaven.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 25, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> My oldest son is a computer security specialist / forensic guy.
>>
>> He was telling my my super complicated password was not so secure.
>> He cracked it pretty easy.  He suggested I add an alt code.
>>
>> So I did.  Now, neither one of us can open the file.
>> Guess alt codes in passwords for some Office products cause big
>> problems.
>>
>> Arrgh.
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT I screwed myself

[Josh Luthman]

Keepass is a local client.  Windows/Mac/Android/iPhone.  I share the
database with Dropbox.

Also I believe MS Office Excel files you can strip the password requirement
off the file as if it didn't exist (ie how Chuck could see the preview).

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 6:33 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> If Keepass backs up to the cloud, the spreadsheet might be more secure.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 5/25/2016 3:24 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Now is that better than a spreadsheet?
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2016 4:22 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT I screwed myself
>
>
> Keepass
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On May 25, 2016 6:18 PM, "Joshaven Mailing Lists" 
> wrote:
>
>> Try making it longer rather than strange.  Make your password long not
>> cryptic.  For good measure to pass stupid password tests put in a capital
>> and number but that doesn’t make it harder to crack.  They are still going
>> try every combination including those characters just in case.
>>
>>
>> b7^w3@   ( 400 ms )
>> P@s5wor! ( 9 hours )
>> P@ssw0rd ( Still 9 hours )
>> thisisalongbutsimplepassword   ( 3 SEXTILLION YEARS )
>> cottoncandyman ( 51 Years )
>>
>> https://howsecureismypassword.net/
>>
>> See if he can crack something long but easy for you to type
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Joshaven Potter
>> Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co
>> Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
>> supp...@joshaven.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 25, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> My oldest son is a computer security specialist / forensic guy.
>>
>> He was telling my my super complicated password was not so secure.
>> He cracked it pretty easy.  He suggested I add an alt code.
>>
>> So I did.  Now, neither one of us can open the file.
>> Guess alt codes in passwords for some Office products cause big
>> problems.
>>
>> Arrgh.
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT I screwed myself

[Chuck McCown]

I couldn’t see the preview unless I had the password.  
For some reason the alt code makes it impossible to open the file in excel but 
preview showed the content.
But I still had the password.

I am not sure excel can be cracked by means other than brute force.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 4:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I screwed myself

Keepass is a local client.  Windows/Mac/Android/iPhone.  I share the database 
with Dropbox. 

Also I believe MS Office Excel files you can strip the password requirement off 
the file as if it didn't exist (ie how Chuck could see the preview).


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 6:33 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

  If Keepass backs up to the cloud, the spreadsheet might be more secure.



bp


On 5/25/2016 3:24 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Now is that better than a spreadsheet?

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 4:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I screwed myself

Keepass

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On May 25, 2016 6:18 PM, "Joshaven Mailing Lists"  
wrote:

  Try making it longer rather than strange.  Make your password long not 
cryptic.  For good measure to pass stupid password tests put in a capital and 
number but that doesn’t make it harder to crack.  They are still going try 
every combination including those characters just in case.


  b7^w3@   ( 400 ms )
  P@s5wor! ( 9 hours )
  P@ssw0rd ( Still 9 hours )
  thisisalongbutsimplepassword   ( 3 SEXTILLION YEARS )
  cottoncandyman ( 51 Years )

  https://howsecureismypassword.net/

  See if he can crack something long but easy for you to type




  Sincerely,
  Joshaven Potter
  Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co
  Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
  supp...@joshaven.com




On May 25, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

My oldest son is a computer security specialist / forensic guy.

He was telling my my super complicated password was not so secure.  
He cracked it pretty easy.  He suggested I add an alt code.

So I did.  Now, neither one of us can open the file.  
Guess alt codes in passwords for some Office products cause big 
problems.  

Arrgh.

Re: [AFMUG] OT I un-screwed myself

[Eric Kuhnke]

for serious applications, generating cryptographically sound "random"
numbers is quite a hard computer science problem...

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Random_number_generation

one of the main methods of attacking a cryptosystem is if the adversary
knows that the RNG used to produce the keys is not truly random, but have
some element of predictability in it.



On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 3:10 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I think I’ll start a business selling random numbers.
>
> Who’s to say 12345 isn’t a random number?
>
> Wait, this sounds a lot like the fortune cookie business.
>
>
> *From:* Cassidy B. Larson 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2016 4:11 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT I un-screwed myself
>
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/01/21/11-year-old-girl-sets-up-business-selling-secure-passwords-for-2/
>
>
>
> On May 25, 2016, at 3:07 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> I unscrewed myself.
>
> In windows file explorer, there is a view option that has a preview option.
> With preview selected you get the contents of a file on the right side of
> the screen.
>
> I was trying various combinations of my password and noticed that on one
> of the tries, the preview pane showed some content.
> After a few more tries I discovered that putting a zero in front of the
> alt code allowed the preview to show content.
> The file still would not open, but I could cut and paste from the preview
> pane and I got it all.
>
> Sometimes you luck out.
>
> -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown
> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 3:04 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I screwed myself
>
> baby monkey puppy
>
> -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown
> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 2:53 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I screwed myself
>
> I'll say.
>
> For a new password I am considering:
> inside housing puppets stay warm
> oxygen puppet dagger manganese
> electricity wire wrapped around the anus
> Dong porcelain l swear
>
> -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 2:50 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I screwed myself
>
> On 5/25/16 13:36, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> My oldest son is a computer security specialist / forensic guy.
>
> He was telling my my super complicated password was not so secure.
> He cracked it pretty easy.  He suggested I add an alt code.
>
> So I did.  Now, neither one of us can open the file.
> Guess alt codes in passwords for some Office products cause big problems.
>
> Arrgh.
>
>
>
> But it's secure now, technically.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT I un-screwed myself

[Robert Andrews]

Hence how the employee of a certain slot machine almost made himself 
rich..  Alas, greed was more powerful that intellect..  Yet there may be 
unknown people out there that are not greedy that are to this day using 
the predictability of RNG's to keep the beer fridge filled and the tax 
man at bay...


On 05/25/2016 03:54 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

for serious applications, generating cryptographically sound "random"
numbers is quite a hard computer science problem...

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Random_number_generation

one of the main methods of attacking a cryptosystem is if the adversary
knows that the RNG used to produce the keys is not truly random, but
have some element of predictability in it.



On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 3:10 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

I think I’ll start a business selling random numbers.
Who’s to say 12345 isn’t a random number?
Wait, this sounds a lot like the fortune cookie business.
*From:* Cassidy B. Larson 
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2016 4:11 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT I un-screwed myself

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/01/21/11-year-old-girl-sets-up-business-selling-secure-passwords-for-2/


On May 25, 2016, at 3:07 PM, Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
I unscrewed myself.

In windows file explorer, there is a view option that has a
preview option.
With preview selected you get the contents of a file on the right
side of the screen.

I was trying various combinations of my password and noticed that
on one of the tries, the preview pane showed some content.
After a few more tries I discovered that putting a zero in front
of the alt code allowed the preview to show content.
The file still would not open, but I could cut and paste from the
preview pane and I got it all.

Sometimes you luck out.

-Original Message- From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 3:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I screwed myself

baby monkey puppy

-Original Message- From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 2:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I screwed myself

I'll say.

For a new password I am considering:
inside housing puppets stay warm
oxygen puppet dagger manganese
electricity wire wrapped around the anus
Dong porcelain l swear

-Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 2:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I screwed myself

On 5/25/16 13:36, Chuck McCown wrote:

My oldest son is a computer security specialist / forensic guy.

He was telling my my super complicated password was not so secure.
He cracked it pretty easy.  He suggested I add an alt code.

So I did.  Now, neither one of us can open the file.
Guess alt codes in passwords for some Office products cause big
problems.

Arrgh.



But it's secure now, technically.

Re: [AFMUG] OT I un-screwed myself

[Nate Burke]

I'm late to the thread, but this seems topical if someone hasn't already 
posted it.


https://xkcd.com/936/


On 5/25/2016 6:14 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
Hence how the employee of a certain slot machine almost made himself 
rich..  Alas, greed was more powerful that intellect..  Yet there may 
be unknown people out there that are not greedy that are to this day 
using the predictability of RNG's to keep the beer fridge filled and 
the tax man at bay...


On 05/25/2016 03:54 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

for serious applications, generating cryptographically sound "random"
numbers is quite a hard computer science problem...

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Random_number_generation

one of the main methods of attacking a cryptosystem is if the adversary
knows that the RNG used to produce the keys is not truly random, but
have some element of predictability in it.



On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 3:10 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

I think I’ll start a business selling random numbers.
Who’s to say 12345 isn’t a random number?
Wait, this sounds a lot like the fortune cookie business.
*From:* Cassidy B. Larson 
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2016 4:11 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT I un-screwed myself
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/01/21/11-year-old-girl-sets-up-business-selling-secure-passwords-for-2/


On May 25, 2016, at 3:07 PM, Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
I unscrewed myself.

In windows file explorer, there is a view option that has a
preview option.
With preview selected you get the contents of a file on the right
side of the screen.

I was trying various combinations of my password and noticed that
on one of the tries, the preview pane showed some content.
After a few more tries I discovered that putting a zero in front
of the alt code allowed the preview to show content.
The file still would not open, but I could cut and paste from the
preview pane and I got it all.

Sometimes you luck out.

-Original Message- From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 3:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I screwed myself

baby monkey puppy

-Original Message- From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 2:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I screwed myself

I'll say.

For a new password I am considering:
inside housing puppets stay warm
oxygen puppet dagger manganese
electricity wire wrapped around the anus
Dong porcelain l swear

-Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 2:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I screwed myself

On 5/25/16 13:36, Chuck McCown wrote:

My oldest son is a computer security specialist / forensic guy.

He was telling my my super complicated password was not so secure.
He cracked it pretty easy.  He suggested I add an alt code.

So I did.  Now, neither one of us can open the file.
Guess alt codes in passwords for some Office products cause big
problems.

Arrgh.



But it's secure now, technically.