[AFMUG] Fwd: [WISP] Repost: Cajun WISP Night before Christmas

[Mike Hammett]

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Mike Hammett 
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Subject: Fwd: [WISP] Repost: Cajun WISP Night before Christmas 

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 Original Message  
Subject:[WISP] Repost: Cajun WISP Night before Christmas 
Date:   Fri, 24 Dec 2004 23:48:21 -0600 
From:   Allen Marsalis  
Reply-To:   w...@part-15.org 
To: w...@part-15.org 

Cajun ISP Night before Christmas
(Stolen and hacked version)

'Twas de night before Christmas
An' all t'ru de NOC,
Dey don't a bit pass
Except fro' the BOC.


De cable been nezzle
All snug on de flo',
While hackers been wrestle
for cracks in de do'.


Dare nothin' indy firewall
to keep out St. Nick,
Cause he's out to own ya'll
An' he knows all de trick!


Den out on de rooftop
Dey got such a clatter,
Make soun' like old Boudreau
Done fall off de ladder.


I run like a possum
To got to de do',
Trip over some co-axe
An' fall on de flo'!


As I look out de do'
In de light o' de moon,
I t'ink "Man, you crazy
I t'aught it was noon!"


An' dere above de treetop
When I stretch out ma' head,
Dere's eight big alligator
A pullin' a Rohn sled!


An' a short fat Cajun
Wit a long tripod stick,
I know r'at way
Got to be ole St. Nick.


Mo' fas'er an' fas'er
De gater dey came
He whistle an' holler
An' call dem by name:


"Ha, Ping!
Ha, Linus!
Ha, Tracerut an' Gun-new
Gee, Snoop
Gee, Tee Cee Pee Dump
an'Ace-cee-el too!"


To the top o' de roof
I yells to Boudreau,
"Haul ass down the ladder,
St. Nick is our foe!


Like Taint Suzie's cat
Down the ladder he fly
Boudreau didn't stop
Come a run hisse'f by.


But up on the rooftop
Dem ole 'gater dey climb
Wit a rack full of gear
An' St. Nicklus behin'.


Up go his tripod and mast
Po'nted North it would seem,
Dat deres a long shot -
Must be a tight beam!


Den on top o' de roof
The mast, hard done it sway,
Some Ballast was needed
in de worst kinda way.


De gaters make dem idea
An' it soun' like de hail,
W'en all dem 'gater
Done sot down dey big tail.


Den down in de NOC
I sot down at my PC,
St. Nick got association
Wit' radio t'ree!


"Sacre!" I axclaim
"Ma network got a hole!
I t'ink to ma'se'f it cannot be, no
Ole Boudreau's a Mole?


St. Nick spoofin' IP,
An' hide like a cat
While 'gaters chew co-axe
leavin' ma users dead flat.


He was usin' linux
Dat was fo' sure,
I pinged his network int'face,
while he was takin' de tour.


I hacked ma way in
t'ru a hole in his bot,
Tee el cee sot wide open
So I take a few shot.


His eyes how dey shined
his dimples how scarry!
While I fo'matted his drive
He could execute no q'arry.


Ha! His cheek was like rose
His nose like cherry
On secon' t'ought maybe
He commit harry carry!


Den I peek t'ru de window
An' what do I see,
St. Nick a sittin' dere
Staring down r'at at me!


But a wink in his eye
An'a shook 'o his head
Make my confi-dence dat
I don' got to be scared.


He don' do no talkin'
But smiled at my work.
Gave me a wink,
An' den turn wit' a jerk.


Den he hop on his sled,
Wit de gear off o' de roof.
He ain't no fool, him!
For to make no more big goof.


He jump in his sled,
And crack his big whip.
De 'gater fly off,
An' don' make one dip.


An' I hear him shout loud
While runnin' tail he go,


"Merry Christmas to All,
'Til I hack you some mo!"

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Re: [AFMUG] OT - trolling again

[Jason McKemie]

Season 1 is great, season 2 is basically a different show altogether. I
didn't think 2 was terrible, but it certainly wasn't in the same league as
the first one.

On Friday, December 23, 2016,  wrote:

> I now have episode 1 & 2 under my belt.
>
> *From:* Gino Villarini
> *Sent:* Friday, December 23, 2016 6:04 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - trolling again
>
> You havent seen True detectives? Wow season 1 is the best
>
> From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown  >
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Thursday, December 22, 2016 at 6:02 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - trolling again
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> Yeah, I am afraid I may have found a new series to watch too...
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 2:59 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - trolling again
>
> why the hell would you do this, right before christmas weekend. Matthew
> McConaughey and Woody Harrelson, two seasons worth. When my kids are crying
> christmas morning cause dads still binge watching and wont open presents,
> im telling them to talk to jason from afmug
>
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> https://youtu.be/_RfUj09pWfM
>>
>> On Thursday, December 22, 2016, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>>
>>> I was raised Catholic, now im Agnostic almost Atheist. I believe the
>>> bible is a book put together through time to accomplish 2 main things (same
>>> as religion) :  Give purpose / meaning to your life, put together social
>>> norms.   They way that they are convey, that’s another topic of discussion.
>>>
>>> Too many things in the bible that nowadays makes no sense at all to take
>>> it literally…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown <
>>> ch...@wbmfg.com>
>>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Date: Thursday, December 22, 2016 at 12:18 PM
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - trolling again
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino Villarini*
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>
>>> Not no problem with what he is saying, I largely have the same opinion.
>>> I look at Science and Religion as two views of the exact same thing.  I
>>> only believe in one thing... truth.
>>>
>>> *From:* Bill Prince
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 9:11 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - trolling again
>>>
>>>
>>> What Neil has to say
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRt0FKeorlM
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/22/2016 7:12 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>
>>> Western Law does in fact have deep roots in the bible.
>>>
>>> Western Common Law is the basis of our constitution modified with the
>>> benefit of historical observations of failed nation states.
>>> But those that reject the biblical ancestry of our legal system need to
>>> actually read the bible, the whole thing.  Perhaps several times.
>>>
>>>
>>> 1) I am the LORD thy God… Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
>>> OK, we have substituted our allegiance to our nation in the place of
>>> god.  Ye shall not pledge allegiance to any other nation.  Same idea.  You
>>> can lose your citizenship.
>>>
>>> 2) Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image
>>> This is pretty much limited to counterfeiting these days.  (ok that is a
>>> bit of stretch...)
>>>
>>> 3) Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain
>>> Huge expansion of this one, you even have to utter trigger warnings if
>>> you take the name of Che Guevara in vain on some college campuses.  Holy
>>> cow has the list of things we cannot say grown lest we offend the
>>> snowflakes.
>>>
>>> 4) Remember the Sabbath day
>>> Just Google “Blue Laws”, lots of stuff is based on this.  Including the
>>> spelling of an ice cream sundae.
>>>
>>> 5) Honor thy father and thy mother
>>> Talk to an emancipated minor for a new view on how the law forces you to
>>> literally obey  your parents until 18.  They can even force you to get a
>>> job and take your money...
>>>
>>> 6) Thou shalt not kill.
>>> Duh?
>>>
>>> 7) Thou shalt not commit adultery.
>>> Not only is it against the law, it is very good advice.  And if you do
>>> it, your spouse can sue your girlfriend for alienation of affection.
>>>
>>> 8) Thou shalt not steal.
>>> ibid Duh?
>>>
>>> 9) Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
>>> Slander, Libel, just ask the tabloids if this has ever been an issue.
>>>
>>> 10) Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy
>>> neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor
>>> his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor's.
>>>
>>> Scheming is illegal and scheming normally starts in coveting.
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] UniFi NVR fun

[Josh Luthman]

Plugging them in, probably.  Using the DVR I wouldn't expect so.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 12:55 PM,  wrote:

> Can he handle analog?
>
> Reminds me of a story my daughter in law told me a couple of days ago.
> She is pre-med and was in a class where they were teaching prostate exams.
> The session was digital rectal exams.
> At the end of the sessions one of the other girls in the class asked where
> the equipment was.
> Equipment?  Yes, equipment, the “digital” equipment used in the exam.
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Friday, December 23, 2016 10:37 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UniFi NVR fun
>
> I did a camera system for the MOST COMPUTER ILLITERATE PERSON I've ever
> met.  Decently smart person, but anything binary he can't handle.
>
> He's ecstatic with the cameras here in Ohio (he lives in LA).
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 12:15 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> is the user interface simple enough for cow breeders to get on, view
>> cams, and if need be find timeframes and download footage?
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Works pretty well.  If you don't try to make changes you should have no
>>> problems at all.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 11:45 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 is the unifi platform pretty stable overall? Looking for a lower end
 solution for home businesses that dont want to pay the cost of axis or
 fortinet, but that i dont have to deal with like with cobblechicanery or
 awesome new egg chinese 16 cam dvr systems for only 300 bucks

 On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 9:18 AM, Jaime Solorza <
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> We had one of our water utilities clients call the NVR was not
> accepting logins... Two cameras are mission critical to document when 
> techs
> take UV sampling of treated waste water before sent out to irrigation.  
> The
> others are normal surveillance with UVC and UVC Pros.  They had power
> outage on Saturday and apparently affected NVR.   IP was same but no 
> logins
> including my support one worked... Reset unit and got it reconfigured,  no
> issues in log files
> ..I connected my laptop to hot spot which was on network and cameras
> updated immediately over ptp wireless link!So NVR didn't recognize
> camera firmware.   Connected NVR to net... 3.09 to 3.15...on right side on
> menu shows 3.5.2installed it and voila... Nope Had to upgrade
> Chrome on management PC.   Voila!!   Thanks to Ben and Marc at UBNT.
>



 --
 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] UniFi NVR fun

[chuck]

Can he handle analog?

Reminds me of a story my daughter in law told me a couple of days ago.  She is 
pre-med and was in a class where they were teaching prostate exams.
The session was digital rectal exams.  
At the end of the sessions one of the other girls in the class asked where the 
equipment was.  
Equipment?  Yes, equipment, the “digital” equipment used in the exam.


From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 10:37 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UniFi NVR fun

I did a camera system for the MOST COMPUTER ILLITERATE PERSON I've ever met.  
Decently smart person, but anything binary he can't handle. 

He's ecstatic with the cameras here in Ohio (he lives in LA).


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 12:15 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:

  is the user interface simple enough for cow breeders to get on, view cams, 
and if need be find timeframes and download footage? 


  On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

Works pretty well.  If you don't try to make changes you should have no 
problems at all.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 11:45 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:

  is the unifi platform pretty stable overall? Looking for a lower end 
solution for home businesses that dont want to pay the cost of axis or 
fortinet, but that i dont have to deal with like with cobblechicanery or 
awesome new egg chinese 16 cam dvr systems for only 300 bucks


  On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 9:18 AM, Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:

We had one of our water utilities clients call the NVR was not 
accepting logins... Two cameras are mission critical to document when techs 
take UV sampling of treated waste water before sent out to irrigation.  The 
others are normal surveillance with UVC and UVC Pros.  They had power outage on 
Saturday and apparently affected NVR.   IP was same but no logins including my 
support one worked... Reset unit and got it reconfigured,  no issues in log 
files 
..I connected my laptop to hot spot which was on network and cameras 
updated immediately over ptp wireless link!So NVR didn't recognize camera 
firmware.   Connected NVR to net... 3.09 to 3.15...on right side on menu shows 
3.5.2installed it and voila... Nope Had to upgrade Chrome on management 
PC.   Voila!!   Thanks to Ben and Marc at UBNT.




  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team 
as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.





  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] UniFi NVR fun

[Jesse Dupont]

I've got a UBNT NVR at a cattle ranch they use during calving. Only issue it's 
had is when it auto updated and all the cams had to be upgraded before they 
came back. However, they were all upgradable from the NVR.






On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 10:37 AM -0700, "Josh Luthman" 
 wrote:










I did a camera system for the MOST COMPUTER ILLITERATE PERSON I've ever met.  
Decently smart person, but anything binary he can't handle.
He's ecstatic with the cameras here in Ohio (he lives in LA).

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 12:15 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:
is the user interface simple enough for cow breeders to get on, view cams, and 
if need be find timeframes and download footage?

On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:
Works pretty well.  If you don't try to make changes you should have no 
problems at all.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 11:45 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:
is the unifi platform pretty stable overall? Looking for a lower end solution 
for home businesses that dont want to pay the cost of axis or fortinet, but 
that i dont have to deal with like with cobblechicanery or awesome new egg 
chinese 16 cam dvr systems for only 300 bucks
On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 9:18 AM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:
We had one of our water utilities clients call the NVR was not accepting 
logins... Two cameras are mission critical to document when techs take UV 
sampling of treated waste water before sent out to irrigation.  The others are 
normal surveillance with UVC and UVC Pros.  They had power outage on Saturday 
and apparently affected NVR.   IP was same but no logins including my support 
one worked... Reset unit and got it reconfigured,  no issues in log files..I 
connected my laptop to hot spot which was on network and cameras updated 
immediately over ptp wireless link!    So NVR didn't recognize camera firmware. 
  Connected NVR to net... 3.09 to 3.15...on right side on menu shows 
3.5.2installed it and voila... Nope Had to upgrade Chrome on management 
PC.   Voila!!   Thanks to Ben and Marc at UBNT.    



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.






-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] UniFi NVR fun

[Josh Luthman]

I did a camera system for the MOST COMPUTER ILLITERATE PERSON I've ever
met.  Decently smart person, but anything binary he can't handle.

He's ecstatic with the cameras here in Ohio (he lives in LA).


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 12:15 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> is the user interface simple enough for cow breeders to get on, view cams,
> and if need be find timeframes and download footage?
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> Works pretty well.  If you don't try to make changes you should have no
>> problems at all.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 11:45 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> is the unifi platform pretty stable overall? Looking for a lower end
>>> solution for home businesses that dont want to pay the cost of axis or
>>> fortinet, but that i dont have to deal with like with cobblechicanery or
>>> awesome new egg chinese 16 cam dvr systems for only 300 bucks
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 9:18 AM, Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 We had one of our water utilities clients call the NVR was not
 accepting logins... Two cameras are mission critical to document when techs
 take UV sampling of treated waste water before sent out to irrigation.  The
 others are normal surveillance with UVC and UVC Pros.  They had power
 outage on Saturday and apparently affected NVR.   IP was same but no logins
 including my support one worked... Reset unit and got it reconfigured,  no
 issues in log files
 ..I connected my laptop to hot spot which was on network and cameras
 updated immediately over ptp wireless link!So NVR didn't recognize
 camera firmware.   Connected NVR to net... 3.09 to 3.15...on right side on
 menu shows 3.5.2installed it and voila... Nope Had to upgrade
 Chrome on management PC.   Voila!!   Thanks to Ben and Marc at UBNT.

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] whitespaces

[chuck]

Many moons ago, I did an ex parte with the OET and suggested this current goofy 
scheme of database and push and authorizations etc.  The whole freaking 9 
yards.  

Not sure if I am the author of the cobblefuckery or not, there may have been 
other like minded people suggesting the exact same thing prior to me.  

So, not sure if I should be proud or not.  I had a TVWS experimental license at 
the time.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 10:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] whitespaces

Oh...so the opposite of the end.  They're averting the end. 
The danger of skimming.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 12/23/2016 12:22:46 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] whitespaces

  “By this Order, we waive the push notification requirements”

  So, looks like they are essentially staying that rule until they can get more 
comments etc.  

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 10:19 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] whitespaces

  "Therefore, under our rules, all currently approved white space devices would 
be required to cease operation no later than December 23, 2016 absent 
Commission action."


  Is this the end?


  -- Original Message --
  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 12/23/2016 11:37:45 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] whitespaces

https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-16-180A1.pdf

Re: [AFMUG] UniFi NVR fun

[Jaime Solorza]

Yes... Stable... Had system two years 24 7 no issues until power hit

On Dec 23, 2016 10:15 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> is the user interface simple enough for cow breeders to get on, view cams,
> and if need be find timeframes and download footage?
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> Works pretty well.  If you don't try to make changes you should have no
>> problems at all.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 11:45 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> is the unifi platform pretty stable overall? Looking for a lower end
>>> solution for home businesses that dont want to pay the cost of axis or
>>> fortinet, but that i dont have to deal with like with cobblechicanery or
>>> awesome new egg chinese 16 cam dvr systems for only 300 bucks
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 9:18 AM, Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 We had one of our water utilities clients call the NVR was not
 accepting logins... Two cameras are mission critical to document when techs
 take UV sampling of treated waste water before sent out to irrigation.  The
 others are normal surveillance with UVC and UVC Pros.  They had power
 outage on Saturday and apparently affected NVR.   IP was same but no logins
 including my support one worked... Reset unit and got it reconfigured,  no
 issues in log files
 ..I connected my laptop to hot spot which was on network and cameras
 updated immediately over ptp wireless link!So NVR didn't recognize
 camera firmware.   Connected NVR to net... 3.09 to 3.15...on right side on
 menu shows 3.5.2installed it and voila... Nope Had to upgrade
 Chrome on management PC.   Voila!!   Thanks to Ben and Marc at UBNT.

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] whitespaces

[Adam Moffett]

Oh...so the opposite of the end.  They're averting the end.
The danger of skimming.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 12/23/2016 12:22:46 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] whitespaces


“By this Order, we waive the push notification requirements”

So, looks like they are essentially staying that rule until they can 
get more comments etc.


From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 10:19 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] whitespaces

"Therefore, under our rules, all currently approved white space devices 
would be required to cease operation no later than December 23, 2016 
absent Commission action."


Is this the end?


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 12/23/2016 11:37:45 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] whitespaces


https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-16-180A1.pdf

Re: [AFMUG] whitespaces

[chuck]

“By this Order, we waive the push notification requirements”

So, looks like they are essentially staying that rule until they can get more 
comments etc.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 10:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] whitespaces

"Therefore, under our rules, all currently approved white space devices would 
be required to cease operation no later than December 23, 2016 absent 
Commission action."


Is this the end?


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 12/23/2016 11:37:45 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] whitespaces

  https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-16-180A1.pdf

Re: [AFMUG] whitespaces

[Adam Moffett]

"Therefore, under our rules, all currently approved white space devices 
would be required to cease operation no later than December 23, 2016 
absent Commission action."


Is this the end?


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 12/23/2016 11:37:45 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] whitespaces


https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-16-180A1.pdf

Re: [AFMUG] UniFi NVR fun

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

is the user interface simple enough for cow breeders to get on, view cams,
and if need be find timeframes and download footage?


On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Works pretty well.  If you don't try to make changes you should have no
> problems at all.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 11:45 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> is the unifi platform pretty stable overall? Looking for a lower end
>> solution for home businesses that dont want to pay the cost of axis or
>> fortinet, but that i dont have to deal with like with cobblechicanery or
>> awesome new egg chinese 16 cam dvr systems for only 300 bucks
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 9:18 AM, Jaime Solorza > > wrote:
>>
>>> We had one of our water utilities clients call the NVR was not accepting
>>> logins... Two cameras are mission critical to document when techs take UV
>>> sampling of treated waste water before sent out to irrigation.  The others
>>> are normal surveillance with UVC and UVC Pros.  They had power outage on
>>> Saturday and apparently affected NVR.   IP was same but no logins including
>>> my support one worked... Reset unit and got it reconfigured,  no issues in
>>> log files
>>> ..I connected my laptop to hot spot which was on network and cameras
>>> updated immediately over ptp wireless link!So NVR didn't recognize
>>> camera firmware.   Connected NVR to net... 3.09 to 3.15...on right side on
>>> menu shows 3.5.2installed it and voila... Nope Had to upgrade
>>> Chrome on management PC.   Voila!!   Thanks to Ben and Marc at UBNT.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] UniFi NVR fun

[Josh Luthman]

Works pretty well.  If you don't try to make changes you should have no
problems at all.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 11:45 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> is the unifi platform pretty stable overall? Looking for a lower end
> solution for home businesses that dont want to pay the cost of axis or
> fortinet, but that i dont have to deal with like with cobblechicanery or
> awesome new egg chinese 16 cam dvr systems for only 300 bucks
>
> On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 9:18 AM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> We had one of our water utilities clients call the NVR was not accepting
>> logins... Two cameras are mission critical to document when techs take UV
>> sampling of treated waste water before sent out to irrigation.  The others
>> are normal surveillance with UVC and UVC Pros.  They had power outage on
>> Saturday and apparently affected NVR.   IP was same but no logins including
>> my support one worked... Reset unit and got it reconfigured,  no issues in
>> log files
>> ..I connected my laptop to hot spot which was on network and cameras
>> updated immediately over ptp wireless link!So NVR didn't recognize
>> camera firmware.   Connected NVR to net... 3.09 to 3.15...on right side on
>> menu shows 3.5.2installed it and voila... Nope Had to upgrade
>> Chrome on management PC.   Voila!!   Thanks to Ben and Marc at UBNT.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] UniFi NVR fun

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

is the unifi platform pretty stable overall? Looking for a lower end
solution for home businesses that dont want to pay the cost of axis or
fortinet, but that i dont have to deal with like with cobblechicanery or
awesome new egg chinese 16 cam dvr systems for only 300 bucks

On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 9:18 AM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> We had one of our water utilities clients call the NVR was not accepting
> logins... Two cameras are mission critical to document when techs take UV
> sampling of treated waste water before sent out to irrigation.  The others
> are normal surveillance with UVC and UVC Pros.  They had power outage on
> Saturday and apparently affected NVR.   IP was same but no logins including
> my support one worked... Reset unit and got it reconfigured,  no issues in
> log files
> ..I connected my laptop to hot spot which was on network and cameras
> updated immediately over ptp wireless link!So NVR didn't recognize
> camera firmware.   Connected NVR to net... 3.09 to 3.15...on right side on
> menu shows 3.5.2installed it and voila... Nope Had to upgrade
> Chrome on management PC.   Voila!!   Thanks to Ben and Marc at UBNT.
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] whitespaces

[chuck]

https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-16-180A1.pdf

Re: [AFMUG] Wave Acquires Cascade Networks

[Mike Hammett]

Wave vs. Wav 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Tushar Patel"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 8:04:28 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wave Acquires Cascade Networks 


I am guessing this "Wave", is different company then the one who cells us 
equipment out of Chicago, correct? 

Tushar 



On Dec 23, 2016, at 7:39 AM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 





There's been some M in the Seattle area with Wave buying Cascade Networks. 
Cascade Networks is a WISP, but they also own Last Mile Gear. They've been on 
the list in the past, so hopefully they can chime in and tell us what's 
happening with LMG. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

Re: [AFMUG] OT funny

[Jay Weekley]

Mom is against texting and driving but will essentially text me and ask 
me if I'm driving.  Things like,  "are you on your way?"


ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

http://dilbert.com/

No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
Version: 2016.0.7924 / Virus Database: 4739/13640 - Release Date: 12/23/16

Re: [AFMUG] OT funny

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

why? its halfday friday, and you throw down a dilbert... I have shit to get
done man, there goes my morning

On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Don’t give ISIS any ideas.
>
>
>
> This is like a low tech version of the SIM card plot from Kingsmen.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, December 23, 2016 10:08 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT funny
>
>
>
> http://dilbert.com/
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Wave Acquires Cascade Networks

[Bill Prince]

Correct. Completely different.

   http://residential.wavebroadband.com/

bp


On 12/23/2016 6:04 AM, Tushar Patel wrote:
I am guessing this "Wave", is different company then the one who cells 
us equipment out of Chicago, correct?


Tushar


On Dec 23, 2016, at 7:39 AM, Mike Hammett > wrote:


There's been some M in the Seattle area with Wave buying Cascade 
Networks. Cascade Networks is a WISP, but they also own Last Mile 
Gear. They've been on the list in the past, so hopefully they can 
chime in and tell us what's happening with LMG.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

Re: [AFMUG] Wave Acquires Cascade Networks

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Sweet, I was thinking about LMG the other day, kind of dormant for a while.
2017 is going to be the year of innovation in this industry

On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 10:04 AM, Jason Petrillo  wrote:

> All,
>
> Yes it is true.  The sale was finalized about two weeks ago.  Wave
> purchased the WISP/Fiber assets of Cascade Networks, Inc..  Last Mile Gear
> and its associated entities will continue on functioning as they have for
> the last 16 years. From a day to day operations standpoint not much has
> changed, Brian has a little more bounce in his step.
>
>
>
> For Last Mile Gear this will free up some revenue which will allow us to
> focus on product development and enhancing internal systems.  We are all
> pretty excited really.  I’m guessing you will be seeing and hearing from
> Brian on a more regular basis moving forward.
>
>
>
> Merry Christmas!  J
>
>
>
>
>
> Jason Petrillo
>
> Last Mile Gear
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com [mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, December 23, 2016 7:54 AM
> *To:* sa...@lastmilegear.com
> *Subject:* Fw: [AFMUG] Wave Acquires Cascade Networks
>
>
>
> ?
>
>
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett
>
> *Sent:* Friday, December 23, 2016 6:39 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Wave Acquires Cascade Networks
>
>
>
> There's been some M in the Seattle area with Wave buying Cascade
> Networks. Cascade Networks is a WISP, but they also own Last Mile Gear.
> They've been on the list in the past, so hopefully they can chime in and
> tell us what's happening with LMG.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Af Digest, Vol 28, Issue 585

[Jason Petrillo]

Tushar,
Yes, similar name, similarly pleasant folks, very dissimilar
goals... http://residential.wavebroadband.com/


Jason 

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Wave Acquires Cascade Networks (Tushar Patel)
   2. Re: OT Confusing expressions (Jaime Solorza)
   3. Re: OT - trolling again (Jaime Solorza)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 08:04:21 -0600
From: Tushar Patel <tpa...@ecpi.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wave Acquires Cascade Networks
Message-ID: <f38427fd-8bd3-4d2b-8248-8e5e94718...@ecpi.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I am guessing this "Wave", is different company then the one who cells us
equipment out of Chicago, correct?

Tushar


> On Dec 23, 2016, at 7:39 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
> 
> There's been some M in the Seattle area with Wave buying Cascade
Networks. Cascade Networks is a WISP, but they also own Last Mile Gear.
They've been on the list in the past, so hopefully they can chime in and
tell us what's happening with LMG.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From: Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
To: Animal Farm <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Confusing expressions
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That's a good one..  My favorite was back in 70's when I studied Latin.
Puto means "I think"... (i. e.  Putative, compute, etc.)  but in Spanish it
is a derogatory slang word for male whore... gay or straight... It's a
fighting word when told from man to man.

On Dec 22, 2016 10:10 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> My kids said thanks for some candy.
>
> I said ?no hay de que? and my kids heard ?No, IDK?
>
> They looked confused.  Then I added ?No tooth decay either?.
>
> Took a while to sort that one out.
>
>
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Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 07:23:31 -0700
From: Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
To: Animal Farm <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - trolling again
Message-ID:

Re: [AFMUG] OT funny

[Ken Hohhof]

Don't give ISIS any ideas.

 

This is like a low tech version of the SIM card plot from Kingsmen.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 10:08 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT funny

 

http://dilbert.com/

[AFMUG] OT funny

[chuck]

http://dilbert.com/

Re: [AFMUG] Wave Acquires Cascade Networks

[Jason Petrillo]

All,

Yes it is true.  The sale was finalized about two weeks ago.  Wave 
purchased the WISP/Fiber assets of Cascade Networks, Inc..  Last Mile Gear and 
its associated entities will continue on functioning as they have for the last 
16 years. From a day to day operations standpoint not much has changed, Brian 
has a little more bounce in his step. 

 

For Last Mile Gear this will free up some revenue which will allow us to focus 
on product development and enhancing internal systems.  We are all pretty 
excited really.  I’m guessing you will be seeing and hearing from Brian on a 
more regular basis moving forward.

 

Merry Christmas!  :)

 

 

Jason Petrillo

Last Mile Gear

 

 

From: ch...@wbmfg.com [mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 7:54 AM
To: sa...@lastmilegear.com
Subject: Fw: [AFMUG] Wave Acquires Cascade Networks

 

?

 

From: Mike Hammett 

Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 6:39 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: [AFMUG] Wave Acquires Cascade Networks

 

There's been some M in the Seattle area with Wave buying Cascade Networks. 
Cascade Networks is a WISP, but they also own Last Mile Gear. They've been on 
the list in the past, so hopefully they can chime in and tell us what's 
happening with LMG.



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 

Re: [AFMUG] OT - trolling again

[chuck]

I now have episode 1 & 2 under my belt.  

From: Gino Villarini 
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 6:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - trolling again

You havent seen True detectives? Wow season 1 is the best

From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Thursday, December 22, 2016 at 6:02 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - trolling again





  Gino Villarini
 
  President 
  Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 




Yeah, I am afraid I may have found a new series to watch too...

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 2:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - trolling again

why the hell would you do this, right before christmas weekend. Matthew 
McConaughey and Woody Harrelson, two seasons worth. When my kids are crying 
christmas morning cause dads still binge watching and wont open presents, im 
telling them to talk to jason from afmug

On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

  https://youtu.be/_RfUj09pWfM

  On Thursday, December 22, 2016, Gino Villarini  wrote:

I was raised Catholic, now im Agnostic almost Atheist. I believe the bible 
is a book put together through time to accomplish 2 main things (same as 
religion) :  Give purpose / meaning to your life, put together social norms.   
They way that they are convey, that’s another topic of discussion. 

Too many things in the bible that nowadays makes no sense at all to take it 
literally… 





From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Thursday, December 22, 2016 at 12:18 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - trolling again






  Gino Villarini
 
  President 
  Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 



Not no problem with what he is saying, I largely have the same opinion.  I 
look at Science and Religion as two views of the exact same thing.  I only 
believe in one thing... truth.  

From: Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 9:11 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - trolling again

What Neil has to say


  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRt0FKeorlM


bp


On 12/22/2016 7:12 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Western Law does in fact have deep roots in the bible.

  Western Common Law is the basis of our constitution modified with the 
benefit of historical observations of failed nation states.  
  But those that reject the biblical ancestry of our legal system need to 
actually read the bible, the whole thing.  Perhaps several times.  


  1) I am the LORD thy God… Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
  OK, we have substituted our allegiance to our nation in the place of god. 
 Ye shall not pledge allegiance to any other nation.  Same idea.  You can lose 
your citizenship.  

  2) Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image
  This is pretty much limited to counterfeiting these days.  (ok that is a 
bit of stretch...)

  3) Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain
  Huge expansion of this one, you even have to utter trigger warnings if 
you take the name of Che Guevara in vain on some college campuses.  Holy cow 
has the list of things we cannot say grown lest we offend the snowflakes.  

  4) Remember the Sabbath day
  Just Google “Blue Laws”, lots of stuff is based on this.  Including the 
spelling of an ice cream sundae.

  5) Honor thy father and thy mother
  Talk to an emancipated minor for a new view on how the law forces you to 
literally obey  your parents until 18.  They can even force you to get a job 
and take your money...

  6) Thou shalt not kill.
  Duh?

  7) Thou shalt not commit adultery.
  Not only is it against the law, it is very good advice.  And if you do 
it, your spouse can sue your girlfriend for alienation of affection.  

  8) Thou shalt not steal.
  ibid Duh?

  9) Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
  Slander, Libel, just ask the tabloids if this has ever been an issue.  

  10) Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy 
neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his 
ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor's.

  Scheming is illegal and scheming normally starts in coveting.  

  So far I am arguably batting 1000, but wait there’s more!

  Things as arcane as the time periods between bankruptcy “At the end of 
every seven years you shall grant a remission of debts. “

  Look at Exodus 21 and 22, most of our tort laws can be traced to this.  
  Property laws are in there.  

  Some folks really hate 

Re: [AFMUG] OT - trolling again

[Jaime Solorza]

Yes season 1 was good... 2...nope

On Dec 23, 2016 6:05 AM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:

> You havent seen True detectives? Wow season 1 is the best
>
> From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown  >
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Thursday, December 22, 2016 at 6:02 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - trolling again
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> Yeah, I am afraid I may have found a new series to watch too...
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 2:59 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - trolling again
>
> why the hell would you do this, right before christmas weekend. Matthew
> McConaughey and Woody Harrelson, two seasons worth. When my kids are crying
> christmas morning cause dads still binge watching and wont open presents,
> im telling them to talk to jason from afmug
>
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> https://youtu.be/_RfUj09pWfM
>>
>> On Thursday, December 22, 2016, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>>
>>> I was raised Catholic, now im Agnostic almost Atheist. I believe the
>>> bible is a book put together through time to accomplish 2 main things (same
>>> as religion) :  Give purpose / meaning to your life, put together social
>>> norms.   They way that they are convey, that’s another topic of discussion.
>>>
>>> Too many things in the bible that nowadays makes no sense at all to take
>>> it literally…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown <
>>> ch...@wbmfg.com>
>>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Date: Thursday, December 22, 2016 at 12:18 PM
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - trolling again
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino Villarini*
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>
>>> Not no problem with what he is saying, I largely have the same opinion.
>>> I look at Science and Religion as two views of the exact same thing.  I
>>> only believe in one thing... truth.
>>>
>>> *From:* Bill Prince
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 9:11 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - trolling again
>>>
>>>
>>> What Neil has to say
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRt0FKeorlM
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/22/2016 7:12 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>
>>> Western Law does in fact have deep roots in the bible.
>>>
>>> Western Common Law is the basis of our constitution modified with the
>>> benefit of historical observations of failed nation states.
>>> But those that reject the biblical ancestry of our legal system need to
>>> actually read the bible, the whole thing.  Perhaps several times.
>>>
>>>
>>> 1) I am the LORD thy God… Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
>>> OK, we have substituted our allegiance to our nation in the place of
>>> god.  Ye shall not pledge allegiance to any other nation.  Same idea.  You
>>> can lose your citizenship.
>>>
>>> 2) Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image
>>> This is pretty much limited to counterfeiting these days.  (ok that is a
>>> bit of stretch...)
>>>
>>> 3) Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain
>>> Huge expansion of this one, you even have to utter trigger warnings if
>>> you take the name of Che Guevara in vain on some college campuses.  Holy
>>> cow has the list of things we cannot say grown lest we offend the
>>> snowflakes.
>>>
>>> 4) Remember the Sabbath day
>>> Just Google “Blue Laws”, lots of stuff is based on this.  Including the
>>> spelling of an ice cream sundae.
>>>
>>> 5) Honor thy father and thy mother
>>> Talk to an emancipated minor for a new view on how the law forces you to
>>> literally obey  your parents until 18.  They can even force you to get a
>>> job and take your money...
>>>
>>> 6) Thou shalt not kill.
>>> Duh?
>>>
>>> 7) Thou shalt not commit adultery.
>>> Not only is it against the law, it is very good advice.  And if you do
>>> it, your spouse can sue your girlfriend for alienation of affection.
>>>
>>> 8) Thou shalt not steal.
>>> ibid Duh?
>>>
>>> 9) Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
>>> Slander, Libel, just ask the tabloids if this has ever been an issue.
>>>
>>> 10) Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy
>>> neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor
>>> his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor's.
>>>
>>> Scheming is illegal and scheming normally starts in coveting.
>>>
>>> So far I am arguably batting 1000, but wait there’s more!
>>>
>>> Things as arcane as the time periods between bankruptcy “At the end of
>>> every seven years you shall grant a remission of debts. “
>>>
>>> Look at Exodus 21 and 22, most of our tort laws can be traced to this.
>>> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Confusing expressions

[Jaime Solorza]

That's a good one..  My favorite was back in 70's when I studied Latin.
Puto means "I think"... (i. e.  Putative, compute, etc.)  but in Spanish it
is a derogatory slang word for male whore... gay or straight... It's a
fighting word when told from man to man.

On Dec 22, 2016 10:10 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> My kids said thanks for some candy.
>
> I said “no hay de que” and my kids heard “No, IDK”
>
> They looked confused.  Then I added “No tooth decay either”.
>
> Took a while to sort that one out.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Wave Acquires Cascade Networks

[Tushar Patel]

I am guessing this "Wave", is different company then the one who cells us 
equipment out of Chicago, correct?

Tushar


> On Dec 23, 2016, at 7:39 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> There's been some M in the Seattle area with Wave buying Cascade Networks. 
> Cascade Networks is a WISP, but they also own Last Mile Gear. They've been on 
> the list in the past, so hopefully they can chime in and tell us what's 
> happening with LMG.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Wave Acquires Cascade Networks

[Mike Hammett]

Oops, forgot the link. 
http://www.telecomramblings.com/2016/12/another-acquisition-wave/ 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 7:39:12 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Wave Acquires Cascade Networks 


There's been some M in the Seattle area with Wave buying Cascade Networks. 
Cascade Networks is a WISP, but they also own Last Mile Gear. They've been on 
the list in the past, so hopefully they can chime in and tell us what's 
happening with LMG. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

[AFMUG] Wave Acquires Cascade Networks

[Mike Hammett]

There's been some M in the Seattle area with Wave buying Cascade Networks. 
Cascade Networks is a WISP, but they also own Last Mile Gear. They've been on 
the list in the past, so hopefully they can chime in and tell us what's 
happening with LMG. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

Re: [AFMUG] OT - trolling again

[Gino Villarini]

You havent seen True detectives? Wow season 1 is the best

From: Af > on behalf of Chuck 
McCown >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Thursday, December 22, 2016 at 6:02 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - trolling again




Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

Yeah, I am afraid I may have found a new series to watch too...

From: That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 2:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - trolling again

why the hell would you do this, right before christmas weekend. Matthew 
McConaughey and Woody Harrelson, two seasons worth. When my kids are crying 
christmas morning cause dads still binge watching and wont open presents, im 
telling them to talk to jason from afmug

On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:
https://youtu.be/_RfUj09pWfM

On Thursday, December 22, 2016, Gino Villarini  wrote:
I was raised Catholic, now im Agnostic almost Atheist. I believe the bible is a 
book put together through time to accomplish 2 main things (same as religion) : 
 Give purpose / meaning to your life, put together social norms.   They way 
that they are convey, that’s another topic of discussion.

Too many things in the bible that nowadays makes no sense at all to take it 
literally…





From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Thursday, December 22, 2016 at 12:18 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - trolling again




Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:80BB613CB1F04746914CD8182B819030@MTC.local]

Not no problem with what he is saying, I largely have the same opinion.  I look 
at Science and Religion as two views of the exact same thing.  I only believe 
in one thing... truth.

From: Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 9:11 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - trolling again


What Neil has to say

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRt0FKeorlM

bp




On 12/22/2016 7:12 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Western Law does in fact have deep roots in the bible.

Western Common Law is the basis of our constitution modified with the benefit 
of historical observations of failed nation states.
But those that reject the biblical ancestry of our legal system need to 
actually read the bible, the whole thing.  Perhaps several times.


1) I am the LORD thy God… Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
OK, we have substituted our allegiance to our nation in the place of god.  Ye 
shall not pledge allegiance to any other nation.  Same idea.  You can lose your 
citizenship.

2) Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image
This is pretty much limited to counterfeiting these days.  (ok that is a bit of 
stretch...)

3) Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain
Huge expansion of this one, you even have to utter trigger warnings if you take 
the name of Che Guevara in vain on some college campuses.  Holy cow has the 
list of things we cannot say grown lest we offend the snowflakes.

4) Remember the Sabbath day
Just Google “Blue Laws”, lots of stuff is based on this.  Including the 
spelling of an ice cream sundae.

5) Honor thy father and thy mother
Talk to an emancipated minor for a new view on how the law forces you to 
literally obey  your parents until 18.  They can even force you to get a job 
and take your money...

6) Thou shalt not kill.
Duh?

7) Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Not only is it against the law, it is very good advice.  And if you do it, your 
spouse can sue your girlfriend for alienation of affection.

8) Thou shalt not steal.
ibid Duh?

9) Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
Slander, Libel, just ask the tabloids if this has ever been an issue.

10) Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy 
neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his 
ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor's.

Scheming is illegal and scheming normally starts in coveting.

So far I am arguably batting 1000, but wait there’s more!

Things as arcane as the time periods between bankruptcy “At the end of every 
seven years you shall grant a remission of debts. “

Look at Exodus 21 and 22, most of our tort laws can be traced to this.
Property laws are in there.

Some folks really hate to admit that the bible had anything to do with our 
constitution or the founding of our nation.  But some folks think that Sandy 
Hook was a fabrication too


From: Jeremy
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 7:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com