Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i AP + PacketFlux SBJ Aux

[George Skorup]

Yup, the sync pulse is present as you can see there in my screenshot.

On 1/3/2017 9:07 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
No, it just means that if you sync the 450i via the timing port, the 
GPS status screen won't show up correctly.  The sync itself works fine.


On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 7:45 PM, Jerry Head > wrote:


Um, does this mean that when I hang my first 450i 900Mhz I cannot
sync it my existing FSK gear?

On 1/3/2017 3:40 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:


Cambium has a bug in serial receive in the 450i.  I know it's  on
their to be fixed list.


On Jan 3, 2017 12:45 PM, "George Skorup" mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote:

I just got some of the SyncBox Junior Aux port version in and
I connected it up to a 900 450i AP running 15.0.2. Turned on
UGPS power, box powers up. Pretty cool. But still no GPS
data. Turn off GPS message checksum and it still doesn't
work, the receiver info section just gets all corrupt.

This is with GPS checksum enabled. C'mon Cambium!







--
*Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com  | 
http://www.packetflux.com 
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i AP + PacketFlux SBJ Aux

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

No, it just means that if you sync the 450i via the timing port, the GPS
status screen won't show up correctly.  The sync itself works fine.

On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 7:45 PM, Jerry Head 
wrote:

> Um, does this mean that when I hang my first 450i 900Mhz I cannot sync it
> my existing FSK gear?
>
> On 1/3/2017 3:40 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> Cambium has a bug in serial receive in the 450i.  I know it's  on their to
> be fixed list.
>
> On Jan 3, 2017 12:45 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:
>
>> I just got some of the SyncBox Junior Aux port version in and I connected
>> it up to a 900 450i AP running 15.0.2. Turned on UGPS power, box powers up.
>> Pretty cool. But still no GPS data. Turn off GPS message checksum and it
>> still doesn't work, the receiver info section just gets all corrupt.
>>
>> This is with GPS checksum enabled. C'mon Cambium!
>>
>>
>>
>


-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i AP + PacketFlux SBJ Aux

[Jerry Head]

Um, does this mean that when I hang my first 450i 900Mhz I cannot sync 
it my existing FSK gear?


On 1/3/2017 3:40 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:


Cambium has a bug in serial receive in the 450i.  I know it's  on 
their to be fixed list.



On Jan 3, 2017 12:45 PM, "George Skorup" > wrote:


I just got some of the SyncBox Junior Aux port version in and I
connected it up to a 900 450i AP running 15.0.2. Turned on UGPS
power, box powers up. Pretty cool. But still no GPS data. Turn off
GPS message checksum and it still doesn't work, the receiver info
section just gets all corrupt.

This is with GPS checksum enabled. C'mon Cambium!

Re: [AFMUG] Infinite Electronics Acquires KP Performance Antennas

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

L-Com/KP presents some interesting potential

On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 5:11 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Must be these guys:
> http://www.infiniteelectronics.com/
>
> *From:* Timothy Steele
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2017 4:03 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Infinite Electronics Acquires KP Performance Antennas
>
> http://www.antennasonline.com/main/news/infinite-electronics-acquires-kp-
> performance-antennas/
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Infinite Electronics Acquires KP Performance Antennas

[Chuck McCown]

Must be these guys:
http://www.infiniteelectronics.com/

From: Timothy Steele 
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 4:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Infinite Electronics Acquires KP Performance Antennas

http://www.antennasonline.com/main/news/infinite-electronics-acquires-kp-performance-antennas/
 

Re: [AFMUG] Infinite Electronics Acquires KP Performance Antennas

[Chuck McCown]

Have not heard of Infinite Electronics before.  Not finding much on the 
google...

There is an Infinite Electronics – Taiwan  Linkedin say they make vacuum 
cleaners.

From: Timothy Steele 
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 4:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Infinite Electronics Acquires KP Performance Antennas

http://www.antennasonline.com/main/news/infinite-electronics-acquires-kp-performance-antennas/
 

Re: [AFMUG] Infinite Electronics Acquires KP Performance Antennas

[Colin Stanners]

Interesting, that company also owns Pasternack, Fairview and L-Com.  KP has
been doing very well (and is a nice Canadian success story), I hope this
allows them to continue.

On Jan 3, 2017 5:03 PM, "Timothy Steele"  wrote:

> http://www.antennasonline.com/main/news/infinite-electronics-acquires-kp-
> performance-antennas/

[AFMUG] Infinite Electronics Acquires KP Performance Antennas

[Timothy Steele]

http://www.antennasonline.com/main/news/infinite-electronics-acquires-kp-performance-antennas/

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp320 ap default

[Eric Muehleisen]

Yeah that's right. I remember being in the same situation. Cambium has a
back-door password. Call them and have them remote in. Setup a keylogger
first. Send it to me after the call ; )

On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Jon Langeler 
wrote:

> Radio is on the desk. Reset plug only defaulted the IP
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 5:25 PM, Eric Muehleisen  wrote:
>
> Climb up with reset plug or call into Cambium with RDP or teamviewer
> session. They no longer support 320 platform, so they may tell you to fly a
> kite.
>
> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 4:20 PM, Jon Langeler 
> wrote:
>
>> What do you do when the AP IP address defaults but not the login password?
>>
>> Jon Langeler
>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp320 ap default

[Jon Langeler]

Radio is on the desk. Reset plug only defaulted the IP 

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Jan 3, 2017, at 5:25 PM, Eric Muehleisen  wrote:
> 
> Climb up with reset plug or call into Cambium with RDP or teamviewer session. 
> They no longer support 320 platform, so they may tell you to fly a kite.
> 
>> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 4:20 PM, Jon Langeler  
>> wrote:
>> What do you do when the AP IP address defaults but not the login password?
>> 
>> Jon Langeler
>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

[Seth Mattinen]

On 1/3/17 13:24, Chuck McCown wrote:

Interesting, motor driven knife switch.  I guess it is fast enough to
not arc too much.



I wouldn't trust it over a contactor or static switch under load. 
Unloaded I guess it's cheap. But that's me, clearly I'm not a smartmeter 
designer.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp320 ap default

[Eric Muehleisen]

Climb up with reset plug or call into Cambium with RDP or teamviewer
session. They no longer support 320 platform, so they may tell you to fly a
kite.

On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 4:20 PM, Jon Langeler 
wrote:

> What do you do when the AP IP address defaults but not the login password?
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>

[AFMUG] Pmp320 ap default

[Jon Langeler]

What do you do when the AP IP address defaults but not the login password?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i AP + PacketFlux SBJ Aux

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Cambium has a bug in serial receive in the 450i.  I know it's  on their to
be fixed list.

On Jan 3, 2017 12:45 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

> I just got some of the SyncBox Junior Aux port version in and I connected
> it up to a 900 450i AP running 15.0.2. Turned on UGPS power, box powers up.
> Pretty cool. But still no GPS data. Turn off GPS message checksum and it
> still doesn't work, the receiver info section just gets all corrupt.
>
> This is with GPS checksum enabled. C'mon Cambium!
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

[Chuck McCown]

Interesting, motor driven knife switch.  I guess it is fast enough to not 
arc too much.


-Original Message- 
From: Ken Hohhof

Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQdeLQqaStA


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 2:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

On 1/3/17 12:26, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Why can it not be an electromechanical relay, maybe a latching type?
http://www.johnsonelectric.com/en/features/residential-electricity-met
er-disconnect-relay



I would expect at 200 amps either a contactor or SCR because of the risk of 
contact welding, unless they normally only switch it with minimal or no 
load. Or maybe that's why they catch on fire.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

[Tyler Treat]

oh yeah, and time of day billing.   carrots and sticks, etc.



From: Af  on behalf of Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 1:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question


Ssssh!  You’re supposed to pretend it’s about making the grid more 
resilient and offering futuristic features to the ratepayers.  You can’t just 
blurt out the real reasons like that.



Now they’re going to have to bring in a PR team to clean up your mess, maybe 
tell us it was swamp gas and flashy-thing us.





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tyler Treat
Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 1:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question





I thought that was the point?  Remote on/off and shitcan all their meter 
readers





From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Nate 
Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 1:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question



I just happened to be at a property today where they were install a new
smartmeter.  The Tech confirmed that they do have the ability to cut to
the power to the house from the meter.

On 1/3/2017 9:42 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Good news:  would probably trip the breaker
> Bad news:  probably not fast enough
> More bad news:  that kind of voltage would probably arc right across the 
> opening breaker contacts
>
> Maybe there's a fuse for that.  Like the ones up on poles that you reset with 
> a hot stick.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 9:11 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question
>
> I doubt it.  Much more energy involved when a primary gets into a secondary.
> Not short duration impulses like lightning.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Nate Burke
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 6:08 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question
>
> Would one of those 'Whole Home Surge Protectors' Protect against something 
> like this?
>
> On 1/2/2017 6:21 PM, Robert wrote:
>> When I was living in Santa Cruz we had a situation where the wind hit
>> exactly the right direction at exactly the right speed and stayed there.
>> The lines started swaying harmonically.   Larger and larger loops until
>> they crossed.   At that point ( I was watching it happen from bed out the
>> back window) it got interesting in the house with every active circuit
>> with any resistance going bright red.  I looked down at a power strip the
>> old style cream colored one and the whole interior was bright orange.   I
>> was doing X10 at the time and they popped like popcorn around the house...
>> The wires stayed wrapped and I think a pole mounted breaker blew and
>> everything went dark..   The sound when they crossed was very loud.
>> Amazingly I described what happened to PG&E they said take everything
>> smoked to their office and they wrote me a check right there and then..
>> About $1500 which at the time was four months rent...
>>
>> On 1/2/17 3:55 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>> We had a situation where the center tap on a local distribution
>>> transformer got crossed with one of the phases. It resulted in one
>>> phase going to ground potential, and the second phase going to ~~ 220 volts.
>>>
>>> Everything 110V on the dead phase was unaffected (because it was
>>> dead), and everything 110V on the other phase got fried (because it
>>> was at 220V).
>>>
>>> I had gotten up that morning, and I heard our pool pump kick on,
>>> which was a 220V motor wired between phases. Sounded like a "normal" 
>>> morning.
>>>
>>> Walking through the family room on the way to the kitchen, I flipped
>>> on the light, and POP! The light in the family room literally exploded.
>>> Weird I thought, but the pool pump is running normally Not having
>>> had my coffee infusion yet, I proceeded to the kitchen. I flipped on
>>> the kitchen lights and POP! another light bulb explosion. Now it had
>>> my attention.
>>>
>>> I went into the garage, and grabbed my DVM (making sure not to turn
>>> anything on). Going around the house I found some outlets dead, and
>>> some reading 220V. When I encountered the first one at 220V, my next
>>> stop was the main panel, where I flipped off the main breaker.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>> On 1/2/2017 3:16 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
 OK, had not consider primaries getting into the drop.  Yeah, that
 could kill everything similar to what she is describing.
 I am wondering if you hit a light bulb with enough voltage to
 vaporize the filament will it over pressure the envelope enough to explode?

 *From:* George Skorup
 *Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2017 4:05 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Sec

Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

[Ken Hohhof]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQdeLQqaStA


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 2:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

On 1/3/17 12:26, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Why can it not be an electromechanical relay, maybe a latching type?
> http://www.johnsonelectric.com/en/features/residential-electricity-met
> er-disconnect-relay


I would expect at 200 amps either a contactor or SCR because of the risk of 
contact welding, unless they normally only switch it with minimal or no load. 
Or maybe that's why they catch on fire.

~Seth

[AFMUG] ePMP+FSK co-lo

[George Skorup]

First time I've tried this. I have a site with two 5750APs. They are 
quite obviously overloading the receiver on the ePMP GPS AP. Put numbers 
in the co-lo spreadsheet, timing checks out. Running the ePMP in the 5.4 
band. Still works for shit.


This is a very compact micro-pop, so we have SMs within 50-100 feet of 
the tower. I'm betting the SM uplinks are interfering with the ePMP AP. 
And I get no SM Tx power control on the Canopy's because the APs are 
P9's. Probably gonna have to go to an ePMP 2000 AP. Ugh. I would put 450 
there, but the boss said no, the SMs are too expensive.

Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

[Seth Mattinen]

On 1/3/17 12:26, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Why can it not be an electromechanical relay, maybe a latching type?
http://www.johnsonelectric.com/en/features/residential-electricity-meter-disconnect-relay



I would expect at 200 amps either a contactor or SCR because of the risk 
of contact welding, unless they normally only switch it with minimal or 
no load. Or maybe that's why they catch on fire.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

[Chuck McCown]

SSRs for AC normally have a triac for switching which is a bidirectional SCR.  
In any event, it has pretty low on resistance but you still have to heat sink 
them for any decent amount of current.
Perhaps the smart meter has a way to get the heat out of the switch.  I would 
think it would not be electromechanical due to the physical size that would be 
required for 200 amps.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

SSRs (Solid State Relays). These can be pretty robust in my experience.



On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 12:09 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:




On 1/3/17 11:12, Nate Burke wrote:
> I just happened to be at a property today where they were install a new
> smartmeter.  The Tech confirmed that they do have the ability to cut to
> the power to the house from the meter.


Must have SCRs in it then.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i AP + PacketFlux SBJ Aux

[George Skorup]

The receiver info section at the bottom is part of the serial data. I'm 
not sure why it would see that and nothing else. But that is Motorola 
binary format. And I remember Forrest saying something about the 450i 
not liking that. It'd be nice to have a jumper or something on the 
SyncBox to switch it to NMEA mode. If that's even the issue.


On 1/3/2017 1:57 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

Is it possible the sync pulse is working, but the serial data is not?


On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 11:46 AM, George Skorup 
 wrote:



I just got some of the SyncBox Junior Aux port version in and I 
connected it up to a 900 450i AP running 15.0.2. Turned on UGPS power, 
box powers up. Pretty cool. But still no GPS data. Turn off GPS 
message checksum and it still doesn't work, the receiver info section 
just gets all corrupt.


This is with GPS checksum enabled. C'mon Cambium!

Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

[Ken Hohhof]

Why can it not be an electromechanical relay, maybe a latching type?
http://www.johnsonelectric.com/en/features/residential-electricity-meter-disconnect-relay


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 2:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

On 1/3/17 11:12, Nate Burke wrote:
> I just happened to be at a property today where they were install a 
> new smartmeter.  The Tech confirmed that they do have the ability to 
> cut to the power to the house from the meter.


Must have SCRs in it then.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

[Nate Burke]

He also said they're required to take pictures of the empty socket 
before they put the new meter on.  The fires that have made the news are 
because of bent/loose contacts in the meter base.


On 1/3/2017 2:11 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

SSRs (Solid State Relays). These can be pretty robust in my experience.


On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 12:09 PM, Seth Mattinen 
 wrote:



On 1/3/17 11:12, Nate Burke wrote:
> I just happened to be at a property today where they were install a new
> smartmeter.  The Tech confirmed that they do have the ability to cut to
> the power to the house from the meter.


Must have SCRs in it then.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

[Bill Prince]

SSRs (Solid State Relays). These can be pretty robust in my experience. 

On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 12:09 PM, Seth Mattinen  
wrote:
 

 On 1/3/17 11:12, Nate Burke wrote:
> I just happened to be at a property today where they were install a new
> smartmeter.  The Tech confirmed that they do have the ability to cut to
> the power to the house from the meter.


Must have SCRs in it then.

~Seth


   

Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

[Seth Mattinen]

On 1/3/17 11:12, Nate Burke wrote:

I just happened to be at a property today where they were install a new
smartmeter.  The Tech confirmed that they do have the ability to cut to
the power to the house from the meter.



Must have SCRs in it then.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

[Ken Hohhof]

Ssssh!  You're supposed to pretend it's about making the grid more
resilient and offering futuristic features to the ratepayers.  You can't
just blurt out the real reasons like that.

 

Now they're going to have to bring in a PR team to clean up your mess, maybe
tell us it was swamp gas and flashy-thing us.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tyler Treat
Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 1:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

 

 

I thought that was the point?  Remote on/off and shitcan all their meter
readers 

 

  _  

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> > on behalf of
Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> >
Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 1:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question 

 

I just happened to be at a property today where they were install a new 
smartmeter.  The Tech confirmed that they do have the ability to cut to 
the power to the house from the meter.

On 1/3/2017 9:42 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Good news:  would probably trip the breaker
> Bad news:  probably not fast enough
> More bad news:  that kind of voltage would probably arc right across the
opening breaker contacts
>
> Maybe there's a fuse for that.  Like the ones up on poles that you reset
with a hot stick.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 9:11 AM
> To: af@afmug.com  
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question
>
> I doubt it.  Much more energy involved when a primary gets into a
secondary.
> Not short duration impulses like lightning.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Nate Burke
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 6:08 PM
> To: af@afmug.com  
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question
>
> Would one of those 'Whole Home Surge Protectors' Protect against something
like this?
>
> On 1/2/2017 6:21 PM, Robert wrote:
>> When I was living in Santa Cruz we had a situation where the wind hit
>> exactly the right direction at exactly the right speed and stayed there.
>> The lines started swaying harmonically.   Larger and larger loops until
>> they crossed.   At that point ( I was watching it happen from bed out the
>> back window) it got interesting in the house with every active circuit
>> with any resistance going bright red.  I looked down at a power strip the
>> old style cream colored one and the whole interior was bright orange.   I
>> was doing X10 at the time and they popped like popcorn around the
house...
>> The wires stayed wrapped and I think a pole mounted breaker blew and
>> everything went dark..   The sound when they crossed was very loud.
>> Amazingly I described what happened to PG&E they said take everything
>> smoked to their office and they wrote me a check right there and then..
>> About $1500 which at the time was four months rent...
>>
>> On 1/2/17 3:55 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>> We had a situation where the center tap on a local distribution
>>> transformer got crossed with one of the phases. It resulted in one
>>> phase going to ground potential, and the second phase going to ~~ 220
volts.
>>>
>>> Everything 110V on the dead phase was unaffected (because it was
>>> dead), and everything 110V on the other phase got fried (because it
>>> was at 220V).
>>>
>>> I had gotten up that morning, and I heard our pool pump kick on,
>>> which was a 220V motor wired between phases. Sounded like a "normal"
morning.
>>>
>>> Walking through the family room on the way to the kitchen, I flipped
>>> on the light, and POP! The light in the family room literally exploded.
>>> Weird I thought, but the pool pump is running normally Not having
>>> had my coffee infusion yet, I proceeded to the kitchen. I flipped on
>>> the kitchen lights and POP! another light bulb explosion. Now it had
>>> my attention.
>>>
>>> I went into the garage, and grabbed my DVM (making sure not to turn
>>> anything on). Going around the house I found some outlets dead, and
>>> some reading 220V. When I encountered the first one at 220V, my next
>>> stop was the main panel, where I flipped off the main breaker.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>> On 1/2/2017 3:16 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
 OK, had not consider primaries getting into the drop.  Yeah, that
 could kill everything similar to what she is describing.
 I am wondering if you hit a light bulb with enough voltage to
 vaporize the filament will it over pressure the envelope enough to
explode?

 *From:* George Skorup
 *Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2017 4:05 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com  
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

 Must have forgot their tin-foil towels.

 I don't know what the voltage would have to be to jump a light
 switch, but I can tell you that I've seen it. A few years ago, a
 tree fell in my sister's neighbor's yard and kn

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i AP + PacketFlux SBJ Aux

[Bill Prince]

Is it possible the sync pulse is working, but the serial data is not? 

On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 11:46 AM, George Skorup  
wrote:
 

   I just got some of the SyncBox Junior Aux port version in and I connected it 
up to a 900 450i AP running 15.0.2. Turned on UGPS power, box powers up. Pretty 
cool. But still no GPS data. Turn off GPS message checksum and it still doesn't 
work, the receiver info section just gets all corrupt.
 
 This is with GPS checksum enabled. C'mon Cambium!
 
 
 

   

[AFMUG] PMP450i AP + PacketFlux SBJ Aux

[George Skorup]

I just got some of the SyncBox Junior Aux port version in and I 
connected it up to a 900 450i AP running 15.0.2. Turned on UGPS power, 
box powers up. Pretty cool. But still no GPS data. Turn off GPS message 
checksum and it still doesn't work, the receiver info section just gets 
all corrupt.


This is with GPS checksum enabled. C'mon Cambium!

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 SMs

[Josh Luthman]

It's cute to see PMP450 catching up with ePMP.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 2:26 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
wrote:

> 40 Mbps key with the latest firmware...for the 20 Meg price.  I have a
> number of Cambium customer's that have settled on the 450d as their primary
> SM of choice.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
> 312-205-2519 <(312)%20205-2519> Office
> 574-220-7826 <(574)%20220-7826> Cell
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 2:23 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> I've heard some reports that there's a 1-3 dbi difference between one and
> the other.  I think it's the same in the grand scheme of things.
>
> The biggest thing is the 450d comes with a better license.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Peter Kranz  wrote:
>
>> I have not bought PMP450 SMs in some time.. we had a stock of PMP450 SMs
>> w/ RCL-2 dishes.. We estimated an overall system gain of 25 dbi.
>>
>>
>>
>> The PMP450d spec sheet indicates 25 dbi as well.
>>
>>
>>
>> Has anyone compared the PMP450+RCL-2 with a PMP450d and can quickly
>> comment on gain differences.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also am I correct in that PMP450d has a better processor than the
>> original PMP450 SMs?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
>> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 <(510)%20868-1614>
>> Mobile: 510-207- <(510)%20207->
>> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 SMs

[Timothy Steele]

The 450d is better with a dish there is a little RF that falls off the back
of a reflector dish with the 450d being inner feed you get rid of that
issue resulting in much better performance even if you swap a dish for a
450d and signal stays the same you will still see better link caps from the
450d I have noticed

On Tue, Jan 3, 2017, 2:26 PM Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
wrote:

> 40 Mbps key with the latest firmware...for the 20 Meg price.  I have a
> number of Cambium customer's that have settled on the 450d as their primary
> SM of choice.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 2:23 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> I've heard some reports that there's a 1-3 dbi difference between one and
> the other.  I think it's the same in the grand scheme of things.
>
> The biggest thing is the 450d comes with a better license.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Peter Kranz  wrote:
>
> I have not bought PMP450 SMs in some time.. we had a stock of PMP450 SMs
> w/ RCL-2 dishes.. We estimated an overall system gain of 25 dbi.
>
>
>
> The PMP450d spec sheet indicates 25 dbi as well.
>
>
>
> Has anyone compared the PMP450+RCL-2 with a PMP450d and can quickly
> comment on gain differences.
>
>
>
> Also am I correct in that PMP450d has a better processor than the original
> PMP450 SMs?
>
>
>
>
> *Peter Kranz*
>
> www.UnwiredLtd.com 
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 <(510)%20868-1614>
> Mobile: 510-207- <(510)%20207->
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

[Tyler Treat]

I thought that was the point?  Remote on/off and shitcan all their meter 
readers



From: Af  on behalf of Nate Burke 
Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 1:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

I just happened to be at a property today where they were install a new
smartmeter.  The Tech confirmed that they do have the ability to cut to
the power to the house from the meter.

On 1/3/2017 9:42 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Good news:  would probably trip the breaker
> Bad news:  probably not fast enough
> More bad news:  that kind of voltage would probably arc right across the 
> opening breaker contacts
>
> Maybe there's a fuse for that.  Like the ones up on poles that you reset with 
> a hot stick.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 9:11 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question
>
> I doubt it.  Much more energy involved when a primary gets into a secondary.
> Not short duration impulses like lightning.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Nate Burke
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 6:08 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question
>
> Would one of those 'Whole Home Surge Protectors' Protect against something 
> like this?
>
> On 1/2/2017 6:21 PM, Robert wrote:
>> When I was living in Santa Cruz we had a situation where the wind hit
>> exactly the right direction at exactly the right speed and stayed there.
>> The lines started swaying harmonically.   Larger and larger loops until
>> they crossed.   At that point ( I was watching it happen from bed out the
>> back window) it got interesting in the house with every active circuit
>> with any resistance going bright red.  I looked down at a power strip the
>> old style cream colored one and the whole interior was bright orange.   I
>> was doing X10 at the time and they popped like popcorn around the house...
>> The wires stayed wrapped and I think a pole mounted breaker blew and
>> everything went dark..   The sound when they crossed was very loud.
>> Amazingly I described what happened to PG&E they said take everything
>> smoked to their office and they wrote me a check right there and then..
>> About $1500 which at the time was four months rent...
>>
>> On 1/2/17 3:55 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>> We had a situation where the center tap on a local distribution
>>> transformer got crossed with one of the phases. It resulted in one
>>> phase going to ground potential, and the second phase going to ~~ 220 volts.
>>>
>>> Everything 110V on the dead phase was unaffected (because it was
>>> dead), and everything 110V on the other phase got fried (because it
>>> was at 220V).
>>>
>>> I had gotten up that morning, and I heard our pool pump kick on,
>>> which was a 220V motor wired between phases. Sounded like a "normal" 
>>> morning.
>>>
>>> Walking through the family room on the way to the kitchen, I flipped
>>> on the light, and POP! The light in the family room literally exploded.
>>> Weird I thought, but the pool pump is running normally Not having
>>> had my coffee infusion yet, I proceeded to the kitchen. I flipped on
>>> the kitchen lights and POP! another light bulb explosion. Now it had
>>> my attention.
>>>
>>> I went into the garage, and grabbed my DVM (making sure not to turn
>>> anything on). Going around the house I found some outlets dead, and
>>> some reading 220V. When I encountered the first one at 220V, my next
>>> stop was the main panel, where I flipped off the main breaker.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>> On 1/2/2017 3:16 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
 OK, had not consider primaries getting into the drop.  Yeah, that
 could kill everything similar to what she is describing.
 I am wondering if you hit a light bulb with enough voltage to
 vaporize the filament will it over pressure the envelope enough to explode?

 *From:* George Skorup
 *Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2017 4:05 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

 Must have forgot their tin-foil towels.

 I don't know what the voltage would have to be to jump a light
 switch, but I can tell you that I've seen it. A few years ago, a
 tree fell in my sister's neighbor's yard and knocked the primaries
 down on top of her secondaries. So that was at least 12-13kV. It was
 ugly. Whole house had to be rewired.

 On 1/2/2017 12:58 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> *that device knows I woke up to my cell phone alarm at 7 this
> morning, brewed myself a cup of coffee at 7:10, and another at
> 7:25,.and another at 8. Then, I took a shower for 10 minutes and
> washed dishes after that. *
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Monday, January 2, 2017 11:55 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question
>
> Seriousl

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 SMs

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

40 Mbps key with the latest firmware...for the 20 Meg price.  I have a number 
of Cambium customer's that have settled on the 450d as their primary SM of 
choice.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Jan 3, 2017, at 2:23 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> I've heard some reports that there's a 1-3 dbi difference between one and the 
> other.  I think it's the same in the grand scheme of things.
> 
> The biggest thing is the 450d comes with a better license.
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Peter Kranz  wrote:
>> I have not bought PMP450 SMs in some time.. we had a stock of PMP450 SMs w/ 
>> RCL-2 dishes.. We estimated an overall system gain of 25 dbi.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> The PMP450d spec sheet indicates 25 dbi as well.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Has anyone compared the PMP450+RCL-2 with a PMP450d and can quickly comment 
>> on gain differences.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Also am I correct in that PMP450d has a better processor than the original 
>> PMP450 SMs?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Peter Kranz
>> www.UnwiredLtd.com
>> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
>> Mobile: 510-207-
>> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>> 
>>  
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 SMs

[George Skorup]

The 450d is pretty much the same gain as a standard SM + 27RD style 
reflector. Maybe 1dB better.


The 450d board is exactly the same as a standard SM. Integrated patch 
and all. The only difference is in software. It's locked to 24 or 25dBi 
total antenna system gain.


The new wideband 5GHz SM coming this year will have more CPU horsepower.

On 1/3/2017 1:03 PM, Peter Kranz wrote:


I have not bought PMP450 SMs in some time.. we had a stock of PMP450 
SMs w/ RCL-2 dishes.. We estimated an overall system gain of 25 dbi.


The PMP450d spec sheet indicates 25 dbi as well.

Has anyone compared the PMP450+RCL-2 with a PMP450d and can quickly 
comment on gain differences.


Also am I correct in that PMP450d has a better processor than the 
original PMP450 SMs?


*Peter Kranz
*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com 

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 SMs

[Josh Luthman]

I've heard some reports that there's a 1-3 dbi difference between one and
the other.  I think it's the same in the grand scheme of things.

The biggest thing is the 450d comes with a better license.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Peter Kranz  wrote:

> I have not bought PMP450 SMs in some time.. we had a stock of PMP450 SMs
> w/ RCL-2 dishes.. We estimated an overall system gain of 25 dbi.
>
>
>
> The PMP450d spec sheet indicates 25 dbi as well.
>
>
>
> Has anyone compared the PMP450+RCL-2 with a PMP450d and can quickly
> comment on gain differences.
>
>
>
> Also am I correct in that PMP450d has a better processor than the original
> PMP450 SMs?
>
>
>
>
> *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 <(510)%20868-1614>
> Mobile: 510-207- <(510)%20207->
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RouterOS License question

[Josh Luthman]

License is tied to the serial of the disk.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> That's what I was hoping.
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 1/3/2017 10:26:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RouterOS License question
>
>
> As long as the "disk" didn't change your license will persist.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 8:03 AM, Trey Scarborough  wrote:
>
>> On 1/3/2017 5:32 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>
>>> I just backed up and restored a RouterOS virtual machine.
>>>
>>> Is there a way to just confirm that the license is still valid?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Go to System License in winbox or ssh /system license print
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

[Nate Burke]

I just happened to be at a property today where they were install a new 
smartmeter.  The Tech confirmed that they do have the ability to cut to 
the power to the house from the meter.


On 1/3/2017 9:42 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Good news:  would probably trip the breaker
Bad news:  probably not fast enough
More bad news:  that kind of voltage would probably arc right across the 
opening breaker contacts

Maybe there's a fuse for that.  Like the ones up on poles that you reset with a 
hot stick.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 9:11 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

I doubt it.  Much more energy involved when a primary gets into a secondary.
Not short duration impulses like lightning.

-Original Message-
From: Nate Burke
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 6:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

Would one of those 'Whole Home Surge Protectors' Protect against something like 
this?

On 1/2/2017 6:21 PM, Robert wrote:

When I was living in Santa Cruz we had a situation where the wind hit
exactly the right direction at exactly the right speed and stayed there.
The lines started swaying harmonically.   Larger and larger loops until
they crossed.   At that point ( I was watching it happen from bed out the
back window) it got interesting in the house with every active circuit
with any resistance going bright red.  I looked down at a power strip the
old style cream colored one and the whole interior was bright orange.   I
was doing X10 at the time and they popped like popcorn around the house...
The wires stayed wrapped and I think a pole mounted breaker blew and
everything went dark..   The sound when they crossed was very loud.
Amazingly I described what happened to PG&E they said take everything
smoked to their office and they wrote me a check right there and then..
About $1500 which at the time was four months rent...

On 1/2/17 3:55 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

We had a situation where the center tap on a local distribution
transformer got crossed with one of the phases. It resulted in one
phase going to ground potential, and the second phase going to ~~ 220 volts.

Everything 110V on the dead phase was unaffected (because it was
dead), and everything 110V on the other phase got fried (because it
was at 220V).

I had gotten up that morning, and I heard our pool pump kick on,
which was a 220V motor wired between phases. Sounded like a "normal" morning.

Walking through the family room on the way to the kitchen, I flipped
on the light, and POP! The light in the family room literally exploded.
Weird I thought, but the pool pump is running normally Not having
had my coffee infusion yet, I proceeded to the kitchen. I flipped on
the kitchen lights and POP! another light bulb explosion. Now it had
my attention.

I went into the garage, and grabbed my DVM (making sure not to turn
anything on). Going around the house I found some outlets dead, and
some reading 220V. When I encountered the first one at 220V, my next
stop was the main panel, where I flipped off the main breaker.


bp


On 1/2/2017 3:16 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

OK, had not consider primaries getting into the drop.  Yeah, that
could kill everything similar to what she is describing.
I am wondering if you hit a light bulb with enough voltage to
vaporize the filament will it over pressure the envelope enough to explode?

*From:* George Skorup
*Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2017 4:05 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

Must have forgot their tin-foil towels.

I don't know what the voltage would have to be to jump a light
switch, but I can tell you that I've seen it. A few years ago, a
tree fell in my sister's neighbor's yard and knocked the primaries
down on top of her secondaries. So that was at least 12-13kV. It was
ugly. Whole house had to be rewired.

On 1/2/2017 12:58 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

*that device knows I woke up to my cell phone alarm at 7 this
morning, brewed myself a cup of coffee at 7:10, and another at
7:25,.and another at 8. Then, I took a shower for 10 minutes and
washed dishes after that. *

*From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Monday, January 2, 2017 11:55 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

Seriously...

When they publish things like this:


 "With that flash, every lightbulb in my house had exploded! The
 old lightbulbs merely popped and shattered. Those new lightbulbs
 (CFLs) were on fire! I could see smoke, smell burning plastic. I
 had no idea what happened."


So, every lightbulb was on?  If not the overvoltage jumped the
switch?  How much of an overvoltage event does it take to make a
lightbulb pop like you see in movies?  I have never seen it happen.
Especially difficult when the switch is off.

All this happened because of a smart meter?

And later:

 "All the while I was e

[AFMUG] PMP450 SMs

[Peter Kranz]

I have not bought PMP450 SMs in some time.. we had a stock of PMP450 SMs w/
RCL-2 dishes.. We estimated an overall system gain of 25 dbi. 

 

The PMP450d spec sheet indicates 25 dbi as well.

 

Has anyone compared the PMP450+RCL-2 with a PMP450d and can quickly comment
on gain differences.

 

Also am I correct in that PMP450d has a better processor than the original
PMP450 SMs?

 

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com  
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com  

 

Re: [AFMUG] Question Regarding 11ghz Links.

[Chuck McCown]

Any idea who's waveguide transition they are using?  Dual Pol N to Circular 
I presume, would have to be.


-Original Message- 
From: Daniel White

Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 11:36 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Question Regarding 11ghz Links.

I'm way late to this... but that is an all indoor installation most likely. 
They are using waveguide to the antenna (note the fixed losses on each side 
of the link).


3dB loss per side is the equivalent of losing an antenna size.

I'd also assume this link was engineered to 99.% availability.  That 
isn't uncommon in mission critical government/utility links.  Probably also 
using Vigants-Barnett and Crane data vs. ITU.


Daniel White
Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
ConVergence Technologies
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
dwh...@converge-tech.com


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2016 8:21 AM
To: af 
Subject: [AFMUG] Question Regarding 11ghz Links.


I am curious, what is the wisdom behind installing 4ft dishes for a 2/4 
mile

11ghz link ?

Is there a technical reason ? or is it just a way to maximize the return 
for the

vendor ?


Regards

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net



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Re: [AFMUG] Question Regarding 11ghz Links.

[Daniel White]

I'm way late to this... but that is an all indoor installation most likely.  
They are using waveguide to the antenna (note the fixed losses on each side of 
the link).

3dB loss per side is the equivalent of losing an antenna size.

I'd also assume this link was engineered to 99.% availability.  That isn't 
uncommon in mission critical government/utility links.  Probably also using 
Vigants-Barnett and Crane data vs. ITU.

Daniel White
Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
ConVergence Technologies
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
dwh...@converge-tech.com

> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2016 8:21 AM
> To: af 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Question Regarding 11ghz Links.
>
>
> I am curious, what is the wisdom behind installing 4ft dishes for a 2/4 mile
> 11ghz link ?
>
> Is there a technical reason ? or is it just a way to maximize the return for 
> the
> vendor ?
>
>
> Regards
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


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Re: [AFMUG] RouterOS License question

[Adam Moffett]

That's what I was hoping.

-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 1/3/2017 10:26:39 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RouterOS License question


As long as the "disk" didn't change your license will persist.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 8:03 AM, Trey Scarborough  wrote:

On 1/3/2017 5:32 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

I just backed up and restored a RouterOS virtual machine.

Is there a way to just confirm that the license is still valid?





Go to System License in winbox or ssh /system license print

Re: [AFMUG] Mirotik help - dual backhauls and bridges

[Justin Wilson]

The VLAN method does work.  You can also do a full duplex link utilizing two 
sets of radios.  This has been around for quite some time.  But that also 
assumes you have radios of the same relative capacity.
Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

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> On Jan 3, 2017, at 11:49 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> What Eric said.
>  
> Except, I believe you said the two links were of unequal capacity.  OSPF 
> can't natively load balance unequal paths.  If you set them to equal cost, 
> you'll actually get 2x the capacity of the smaller link, and the larger link 
> will be underutilized.  There was a trick somebody posted here a few weeks 
> ago where you create a set of VLAN's on each path and do equal cost load 
> balancing on the VLAN's instead of the real paths.  Basically if one path was 
> 3x bigger than the other, then create 3x as many VLAN's on that path.  
>  
> I haven't tried it yetseems plausible though.
>  
>  
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Eric Kuhnke" mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>>
> To: "af@afmug.com " mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> Sent: 12/30/2016 6:00:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mirotik help - dual backhauls and bridges
>  
>> Hit enter too soon. If you want two parallel PTP links between two sites, 
>> sharing traffic equally. Assuming both radio links are identical equipment 
>> and identical speed capability. Set the same OSPF cost on the router 
>> interfaces both ends. 
>> 
>> This is logically the same thing as putting two routers next to each other 
>> in a test lab environment, and running two patch cables between them in an 
>> OSPF area 0, equal cost path configuration.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Eric Kuhnke > > wrote:
>> You should not be extending layer 2 switch fabrics over PTP microwave.
>> 
>> One router at each site.
>> 
>> Each router gets a /32 OSPF loopback address.
>> 
>> One OSPF /30 per radio link.
>> 
>> The only MAC addresses that should exist on the radio link (which is itself 
>> a L2 bridge) are the single MACs for the router interfaces on each end.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Ty Featherling > > wrote:
>> I have my network setup with a common bridge (bridgeWAN) setup on each 
>> router in an area. The backhaul in goes into this bridge and any backhauls 
>> to further sites do as well. OSPF sorts out the default path and the bridge 
>> gets them there in one IP hop. I have a major site that I am added a second 
>> backhaul link to the upstream direction today (Airfiber 5x multiplexer for 
>> the win). I am trying to figure out how to bond these two backhauls from 
>> bridgeWAN on router A to bridgeWAN on router B. Any way to share the load 
>> across those links would be great. If I just plug them in spanning tree 
>> shuts one down. The real kink in the works may be that they have different 
>> capacities. What can I do? 
>> 
>> 
>> -Ty

Re: [AFMUG] Mirotik help - dual backhauls and bridges

[Adam Moffett]

What Eric said.

Except, I believe you said the two links were of unequal capacity.  OSPF 
can't natively load balance unequal paths.  If you set them to equal 
cost, you'll actually get 2x the capacity of the smaller link, and the 
larger link will be underutilized.  There was a trick somebody posted 
here a few weeks ago where you create a set of VLAN's on each path and 
do equal cost load balancing on the VLAN's instead of the real paths.  
Basically if one path was 3x bigger than the other, then create 3x as 
many VLAN's on that path.


I haven't tried it yetseems plausible though.


-- Original Message --
From: "Eric Kuhnke" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 12/30/2016 6:00:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mirotik help - dual backhauls and bridges

Hit enter too soon. If you want two parallel PTP links between two 
sites, sharing traffic equally. Assuming both radio links are identical 
equipment and identical speed capability. Set the same OSPF cost on the 
router interfaces both ends.


This is logically the same thing as putting two routers next to each 
other in a test lab environment, and running two patch cables between 
them in an OSPF area 0, equal cost path configuration.




On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Eric Kuhnke  
wrote:

You should not be extending layer 2 switch fabrics over PTP microwave.

One router at each site.

Each router gets a /32 OSPF loopback address.

One OSPF /30 per radio link.

The only MAC addresses that should exist on the radio link (which is 
itself a L2 bridge) are the single MACs for the router interfaces on 
each end.




On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Ty Featherling 
 wrote:
I have my network setup with a common bridge (bridgeWAN) setup on 
each router in an area. The backhaul in goes into this bridge and any 
backhauls to further sites do as well. OSPF sorts out the default 
path and the bridge gets them there in one IP hop. I have a major 
site that I am added a second backhaul link to the upstream direction 
today (Airfiber 5x multiplexer for the win). I am trying to figure 
out how to bond these two backhauls from bridgeWAN on router A to 
bridgeWAN on router B. Any way to share the load across those links 
would be great. If I just plug them in spanning tree shuts one down. 
The real kink in the works may be that they have different 
capacities. What can I do?



-Ty

Re: [AFMUG] OT - new Apprentice catchphrase(s)

[Chuck McCown]

Just trying to pump us up.

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 9:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - new Apprentice catchphrase(s)

When Austria sends its people, they’re not sending their best.  They’re 
bringing barbells.  They’re bringing steroids.  They’re bodybuilders.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 10:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - new Apprentice catchphrase(s)

 

You won’t be back

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 9:08 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: [AFMUG] OT - new Apprentice catchphrase(s)

 

You’re terminated, now get to the choppa!

 

Is it too late to choose Arnold for President and Donald for Celebrity 
Apprentice?  Seriously.  I mean it would probably be bad for Apprentice, but 
priorities?

Re: [AFMUG] OT - new Apprentice catchphrase(s)

[Ken Hohhof]

When Austria sends its people, they’re not sending their best.  They’re 
bringing barbells.  They’re bringing steroids.  They’re bodybuilders.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 10:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - new Apprentice catchphrase(s)

 

You won’t be back

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 9:08 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: [AFMUG] OT - new Apprentice catchphrase(s)

 

You’re terminated, now get to the choppa!

 

Is it too late to choose Arnold for President and Donald for Celebrity 
Apprentice?  Seriously.  I mean it would probably be bad for Apprentice, but 
priorities?

Re: [AFMUG] OT - new Apprentice catchphrase(s)

[Chuck McCown]

You won’t be back

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 9:08 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT - new Apprentice catchphrase(s)

You’re terminated, now get to the choppa!

 

Is it too late to choose Arnold for President and Donald for Celebrity 
Apprentice?  Seriously.  I mean it would probably be bad for Apprentice, but 
priorities?

[AFMUG] OT - new Apprentice catchphrase(s)

[Ken Hohhof]

You're terminated, now get to the choppa!

 

Is it too late to choose Arnold for President and Donald for Celebrity
Apprentice?  Seriously.  I mean it would probably be bad for Apprentice, but
priorities?

Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

[Ken Hohhof]

Good news:  would probably trip the breaker
Bad news:  probably not fast enough
More bad news:  that kind of voltage would probably arc right across the 
opening breaker contacts

Maybe there's a fuse for that.  Like the ones up on poles that you reset with a 
hot stick.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 9:11 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

I doubt it.  Much more energy involved when a primary gets into a secondary. 
Not short duration impulses like lightning.

-Original Message-
From: Nate Burke
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 6:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

Would one of those 'Whole Home Surge Protectors' Protect against something like 
this?

On 1/2/2017 6:21 PM, Robert wrote:
> When I was living in Santa Cruz we had a situation where the wind hit 
> exactly the right direction at exactly the right speed and stayed there.
> The lines started swaying harmonically.   Larger and larger loops until 
> they crossed.   At that point ( I was watching it happen from bed out the 
> back window) it got interesting in the house with every active circuit 
> with any resistance going bright red.  I looked down at a power strip the
> old style cream colored one and the whole interior was bright orange.   I 
> was doing X10 at the time and they popped like popcorn around the house... 
> The wires stayed wrapped and I think a pole mounted breaker blew and 
> everything went dark..   The sound when they crossed was very loud. 
> Amazingly I described what happened to PG&E they said take everything 
> smoked to their office and they wrote me a check right there and then..
> About $1500 which at the time was four months rent...
>
> On 1/2/17 3:55 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>> We had a situation where the center tap on a local distribution 
>> transformer got crossed with one of the phases. It resulted in one 
>> phase going to ground potential, and the second phase going to ~~ 220 volts.
>>
>> Everything 110V on the dead phase was unaffected (because it was 
>> dead), and everything 110V on the other phase got fried (because it 
>> was at 220V).
>>
>> I had gotten up that morning, and I heard our pool pump kick on, 
>> which was a 220V motor wired between phases. Sounded like a "normal" morning.
>>
>> Walking through the family room on the way to the kitchen, I flipped 
>> on the light, and POP! The light in the family room literally exploded.
>> Weird I thought, but the pool pump is running normally Not having 
>> had my coffee infusion yet, I proceeded to the kitchen. I flipped on 
>> the kitchen lights and POP! another light bulb explosion. Now it had 
>> my attention.
>>
>> I went into the garage, and grabbed my DVM (making sure not to turn 
>> anything on). Going around the house I found some outlets dead, and 
>> some reading 220V. When I encountered the first one at 220V, my next 
>> stop was the main panel, where I flipped off the main breaker.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 1/2/2017 3:16 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>> OK, had not consider primaries getting into the drop.  Yeah, that 
>>> could kill everything similar to what she is describing.
>>> I am wondering if you hit a light bulb with enough voltage to 
>>> vaporize the filament will it over pressure the envelope enough to explode?
>>>
>>> *From:* George Skorup
>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2017 4:05 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question
>>>
>>> Must have forgot their tin-foil towels.
>>>
>>> I don't know what the voltage would have to be to jump a light 
>>> switch, but I can tell you that I've seen it. A few years ago, a 
>>> tree fell in my sister's neighbor's yard and knocked the primaries 
>>> down on top of her secondaries. So that was at least 12-13kV. It was 
>>> ugly. Whole house had to be rewired.
>>>
>>> On 1/2/2017 12:58 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
 *that device knows I woke up to my cell phone alarm at 7 this 
 morning, brewed myself a cup of coffee at 7:10, and another at 
 7:25,.and another at 8. Then, I took a shower for 10 minutes and 
 washed dishes after that. *

 *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
 *Sent:* Monday, January 2, 2017 11:55 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

 Seriously...

 When they publish things like this:


 "With that flash, every lightbulb in my house had exploded! The
 old lightbulbs merely popped and shattered. Those new lightbulbs
 (CFLs) were on fire! I could see smoke, smell burning plastic. I
 had no idea what happened."


 So, every lightbulb was on?  If not the overvoltage jumped the 
 switch?  How much of an overvoltage event does it take to make a 
 lightbulb pop like you see in movies?  I have never seen it happen.
 Especially difficult when the switch

Re: [AFMUG] RouterOS License question

[Josh Luthman]

As long as the "disk" didn't change your license will persist.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 8:03 AM, Trey Scarborough  wrote:

> On 1/3/2017 5:32 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
>> I just backed up and restored a RouterOS virtual machine.
>>
>> Is there a way to just confirm that the license is still valid?
>>
>>
>>
>
> Go to System License in winbox or ssh /system license print
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

[Chuck McCown]

I doubt it.  Much more energy involved when a primary gets into a secondary. 
Not short duration impulses like lightning.


-Original Message- 
From: Nate Burke

Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 6:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

Would one of those 'Whole Home Surge Protectors' Protect against
something like this?

On 1/2/2017 6:21 PM, Robert wrote:
When I was living in Santa Cruz we had a situation where the wind hit 
exactly the right direction at exactly the right speed and stayed there. 
The lines started swaying harmonically.   Larger and larger loops until 
they crossed.   At that point ( I was watching it happen from bed out the 
back window) it got interesting in the house with every active circuit 
with any resistance going bright red.  I looked down at a power strip the 
old style cream colored one and the whole interior was bright orange.   I 
was doing X10 at the time and they popped like popcorn around the house... 
The wires stayed wrapped and I think a pole mounted breaker blew and 
everything went dark..   The sound when they crossed was very loud. 
Amazingly I described what happened to PG&E they said take everything 
smoked to their office and they wrote me a check right there and then.. 
About $1500 which at the time was four months rent...


On 1/2/17 3:55 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

We had a situation where the center tap on a local distribution
transformer got crossed with one of the phases. It resulted in one phase
going to ground potential, and the second phase going to ~~ 220 volts.

Everything 110V on the dead phase was unaffected (because it was dead),
and everything 110V on the other phase got fried (because it was at 
220V).


I had gotten up that morning, and I heard our pool pump kick on, which
was a 220V motor wired between phases. Sounded like a "normal" morning.

Walking through the family room on the way to the kitchen, I flipped on
the light, and POP! The light in the family room literally exploded.
Weird I thought, but the pool pump is running normally Not having
had my coffee infusion yet, I proceeded to the kitchen. I flipped on the
kitchen lights and POP! another light bulb explosion. Now it had my
attention.

I went into the garage, and grabbed my DVM (making sure not to turn
anything on). Going around the house I found some outlets dead, and some
reading 220V. When I encountered the first one at 220V, my next stop was
the main panel, where I flipped off the main breaker.


bp


On 1/2/2017 3:16 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

OK, had not consider primaries getting into the drop.  Yeah, that
could kill everything similar to what she is describing.
I am wondering if you hit a light bulb with enough voltage to vaporize
the filament will it over pressure the envelope enough to explode?

*From:* George Skorup
*Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2017 4:05 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

Must have forgot their tin-foil towels.

I don't know what the voltage would have to be to jump a light switch,
but I can tell you that I've seen it. A few years ago, a tree fell in
my sister's neighbor's yard and knocked the primaries down on top of
her secondaries. So that was at least 12-13kV. It was ugly. Whole
house had to be rewired.

On 1/2/2017 12:58 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

*that device knows I woke up to my cell phone alarm at 7 this
morning, brewed myself a cup of coffee at 7:10, and another at
7:25,.and another at 8. Then, I took a shower for 10 minutes and
washed dishes after that. *

*From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Monday, January 2, 2017 11:55 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

Seriously...

When they publish things like this:


"With that flash, every lightbulb in my house had exploded! The
old lightbulbs merely popped and shattered. Those new lightbulbs
(CFLs) were on fire! I could see smoke, smell burning plastic. I
had no idea what happened."


So, every lightbulb was on?  If not the overvoltage jumped the
switch?  How much of an overvoltage event does it take to make a
lightbulb pop like you see in movies?  I have never seen it happen.
Especially difficult when the switch is off.

All this happened because of a smart meter?

And later:

"All the while I was experiencing more electrical issues and
finding more damage. The craziest thing that occurred was I
literally was shocked getting into the shower! I went to grab the
nozzle to direct the water down and when I grabbed it, I
literally got a jolt of electricity, my hand stuck, my knees
buckled and down I went. I didn’t take a shower after that,
needless to say.

When I came downstairs, I heard water and could hear popping. The
main water line from my well had exploded and electricity was
sparking from it."



http://www.dcclothesline.com/2015/06/27/smart-meters-fire-living-hell-and-bureaucratic-messes/

-Original Message-
From: Robert Andre

Re: [AFMUG] We don't need no stinkin' nuclear fusion.....or to burn fossil fuels for that matter.

[Chuck McCown]

I have seen this around for a while.  Not understanding why they use PV to 
extract the energy at 20% conversion rate where thermal extraction will be 
close to 100%.  Smacks of quakery when “dark matter” is invoked.  

From: Rory Conaway 
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 7:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] We don't need no stinkin' nuclear fusion.or to burn fossil 
fuels for that matter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siHCRp7TpoU

 

There is a little bit of controversy here but they are going to field test this 
year and release product in 2018.  This could be a game changer.

 

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040

602-426-0542

r...@triadwireless.net

www.triadwireless.net

 

“Baseball - we do not stop playing because we grow old, we grow old because we 
stop playing”

 

Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

[Ken Hohhof]

Don’t let the interns near it.

 

OK, never mind, they’re easily replaced.  And no issues disposing of the body, 
that machine will probably vaporize the evidence, just make sure you have an 
exhaust fan.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 9:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

 

Not quite, 4000 volts at 150 amps with a specific waveform on the pulse.  

 

From: Adam Moffett 

Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 4:42 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

 

I don't know if you've seen a show called "White Rabbit Project".

 

Episode 1 features Tory Belleci from Mythbusters standing on top of a Tesla 
coil wearing a chain mail suit and shooting lightning at stuff while cackling 
madly.  I suggest something similar for your lightning impulse simulation.

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> >

To: af@afmug.com  

Sent: 1/2/2017 7:46:39 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

 

I am building a lightning impulse simulator to IEEE specs.  Looking for a 20 uF 
6000 volt capacitor at the moment.  Found a few in Greece that were spares for 
a VOA transmitter.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 5:24 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

 

There’s something called a cable thumper.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, January 2, 2017 6:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

 

I am working on a piece of test gear that might be able to do this.  

 

From: Nate Burke 

Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 4:17 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

 

Is this the point where you pull on the candleslick and slide into the secret 
McCown lab for testing?  

On 1/2/2017 5:16 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

OK, had not consider primaries getting into the drop.  Yeah, that could kill 
everything similar to what she is describing.

I am wondering if you hit a light bulb with enough voltage to vaporize the 
filament will it over pressure the envelope enough to explode?

 

From: George Skorup 

Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 4:05 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

 

Must have forgot their tin-foil towels.

I don't know what the voltage would have to be to jump a light switch, but I 
can tell you that I've seen it. A few years ago, a tree fell in my sister's 
neighbor's yard and knocked the primaries down on top of her secondaries. So 
that was at least 12-13kV. It was ugly. Whole house had to be rewired.

On 1/2/2017 12:58 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

that device knows I woke up to my cell phone alarm at 7 this morning, brewed 
myself a cup of coffee at 7:10, and another at 7:25,.and another at 8. Then, I 
took a shower for 10 minutes and washed dishes after that. 

 

From: ch...@wbmfg.com   

Sent: Monday, January 2, 2017 11:55 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

 

Seriously...

 

When they publish things like this:

 

"With that flash, every lightbulb in my house had exploded! The old lightbulbs 
merely popped and shattered. Those new lightbulbs (CFLs) were on fire! I could 
see smoke, smell burning plastic. I had no idea what happened."

 

So, every lightbulb was on?  If not the overvoltage jumped the switch?  How 
much of an overvoltage event does it take to make a lightbulb pop like you see 
in movies?  I have never seen it happen.  Especially difficult when the switch 
is off.  

 

All this happened because of a smart meter?

 

And later:

"All the while I was experiencing more electrical issues and finding more 
damage. The craziest thing that occurred was I literally was shocked getting 
into the shower! I went to grab the nozzle to direct the water down and when I 
grabbed it, I literally got a jolt of electricity, my hand stuck, my knees 
buckled and down I went. I didn’t take a shower after that, needless to say.

 

When I came downstairs, I heard water and could hear popping. The main water 
line from my well had exploded and electricity was sparking from it."

 

 

http://www.dcclothesline.com/2015/06/27/smart-meters-fire-living-hell-and-bureaucratic-messes/

 

-Original Message- 

From: Robert Andrews 

Sent: Monday, January 2, 2017 11:41 AM 

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question 

 

Seth, was that meant to be tongue-in-cheek?

 

http://emfsafetynetwork.org/smart-meters/smart-meter-fires-and-explosions/

 

On 01/02/2017 10:25 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

> On 1/2/17 09:39, ch...@wbmfg.com 

Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

[Chuck McCown]

Not quite, 4000 volts at 150 amps with a specific waveform on the pulse.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 4:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

I don't know if you've seen a show called "White Rabbit Project".

Episode 1 features Tory Belleci from Mythbusters standing on top of a Tesla 
coil wearing a chain mail suit and shooting lightning at stuff while cackling 
madly.  I suggest something similar for your lightning impulse simulation.


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 1/2/2017 7:46:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

  I am building a lightning impulse simulator to IEEE specs.  Looking for a 20 
uF 6000 volt capacitor at the moment.  Found a few in Greece that were spares 
for a VOA transmitter.  

  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 5:24 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

  There’s something called a cable thumper.

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Monday, January 2, 2017 6:18 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

   

  I am working on a piece of test gear that might be able to do this.  

   

  From: Nate Burke 

  Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 4:17 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

   

  Is this the point where you pull on the candleslick and slide into the secret 
McCown lab for testing?  

  On 1/2/2017 5:16 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

OK, had not consider primaries getting into the drop.  Yeah, that could 
kill everything similar to what she is describing.

I am wondering if you hit a light bulb with enough voltage to vaporize the 
filament will it over pressure the envelope enough to explode?

 

From: George Skorup 

Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 4:05 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

 

Must have forgot their tin-foil towels.

I don't know what the voltage would have to be to jump a light switch, but 
I can tell you that I've seen it. A few years ago, a tree fell in my sister's 
neighbor's yard and knocked the primaries down on top of her secondaries. So 
that was at least 12-13kV. It was ugly. Whole house had to be rewired.

On 1/2/2017 12:58 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  that device knows I woke up to my cell phone alarm at 7 this morning, 
brewed myself a cup of coffee at 7:10, and another at 7:25,.and another at 8. 
Then, I took a shower for 10 minutes and washed dishes after that. 

   

  From: ch...@wbmfg.com 

  Sent: Monday, January 2, 2017 11:55 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

   

  Seriously...

   

  When they publish things like this:

   

"With that flash, every lightbulb in my house had exploded! The old 
lightbulbs merely popped and shattered. Those new lightbulbs (CFLs) were on 
fire! I could see smoke, smell burning plastic. I had no idea what happened."

   

  So, every lightbulb was on?  If not the overvoltage jumped the switch?  
How much of an overvoltage event does it take to make a lightbulb pop like you 
see in movies?  I have never seen it happen.  Especially difficult when the 
switch is off.  

   

  All this happened because of a smart meter?

   

  And later:

"All the while I was experiencing more electrical issues and finding 
more damage. The craziest thing that occurred was I literally was shocked 
getting into the shower! I went to grab the nozzle to direct the water down and 
when I grabbed it, I literally got a jolt of electricity, my hand stuck, my 
knees buckled and down I went. I didn’t take a shower after that, needless to 
say.

 

When I came downstairs, I heard water and could hear popping. The main 
water line from my well had exploded and electricity was sparking from it."

   

   

  
http://www.dcclothesline.com/2015/06/27/smart-meters-fire-living-hell-and-bureaucratic-messes/

   

  -Original Message- 

  From: Robert Andrews 

  Sent: Monday, January 2, 2017 11:41 AM 

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question 

   

  Seth, was that meant to be tongue-in-cheek?

   

  http://emfsafetynetwork.org/smart-meters/smart-meter-fires-and-explosions/

   

  On 01/02/2017 10:25 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

  > On 1/2/17 09:39, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  >> Well, I guess if they change out the socket when they change the meter,

  >> they could put a big ass contactor in there.

  >> Note the statement uses the future tense “will have remote switching

  >> capabilities”.  Like cars will have the ability to fly...

  >>

  >

  > I suppose the other option would be SCRs, but there's heat

[AFMUG] We don't need no stinkin' nuclear fusion.....or to burn fossil fuels for that matter.

[Rory Conaway]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siHCRp7TpoU

There is a little bit of controversy here but they are going to field test this 
year and release product in 2018.  This could be a game changer.

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"Baseball - we do not stop playing because we grow old, we grow old because we 
stop playing"

Re: [AFMUG] RouterOS License question

[Trey Scarborough]

On 1/3/2017 5:32 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

I just backed up and restored a RouterOS virtual machine.

Is there a way to just confirm that the license is still valid?





Go to System License in winbox or ssh /system license print

Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

[Adam Moffett]

I don't know if you've seen a show called "White Rabbit Project".

Episode 1 features Tory Belleci from Mythbusters standing on top of a 
Tesla coil wearing a chain mail suit and shooting lightning at stuff 
while cackling madly.  I suggest something similar for your lightning 
impulse simulation.



-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 1/2/2017 7:46:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

I am building a lightning impulse simulator to IEEE specs.  Looking for 
a 20 uF 6000 volt capacitor at the moment.  Found a few in Greece that 
were spares for a VOA transmitter.


From:Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 5:24 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

There’s something called a cable thumper.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, January 2, 2017 6:18 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question



I am working on a piece of test gear that might be able to do this.



From: Nate Burke

Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 4:17 PM

To:af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question



Is this the point where you pull on the candleslick and slide into the 
secret McCown lab for testing?


On 1/2/2017 5:16 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

OK, had not consider primaries getting into the drop.  Yeah, that 
could kill everything similar to what she is describing.


I am wondering if you hit a light bulb with enough voltage to vaporize 
the filament will it over pressure the envelope enough to explode?




From: George Skorup

Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 4:05 PM

To:af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question



Must have forgot their tin-foil towels.

I don't know what the voltage would have to be to jump a light switch, 
but I can tell you that I've seen it. A few years ago, a tree fell in 
my sister's neighbor's yard and knocked the primaries down on top of 
her secondaries. So that was at least 12-13kV. It was ugly. Whole 
house had to be rewired.


On 1/2/2017 12:58 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

that device knows I woke up to my cell phone alarm at 7 this morning, 
brewed myself a cup of coffee at 7:10, and another at 7:25,.and 
another at 8. Then, I took a shower for 10 minutes and washed dishes 
after that.




From:ch...@wbmfg.com

Sent: Monday, January 2, 2017 11:55 AM

To:af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question



Seriously...



When they publish things like this:



"With that flash, every lightbulb in my house had exploded! The old 
lightbulbs merely popped and shattered. Those new lightbulbs (CFLs) 
were on fire! I could see smoke, smell burning plastic. I had no 
idea what happened."





So, every lightbulb was on?  If not the overvoltage jumped the 
switch?  How much of an overvoltage event does it take to make a 
lightbulb pop like you see in movies?  I have never seen it happen.  
Especially difficult when the switch is off.




All this happened because of a smart meter?



And later:

"All the while I was experiencing more electrical issues and finding 
more damage. The craziest thing that occurred was I literally was 
shocked getting into the shower! I went to grab the nozzle to direct 
the water down and when I grabbed it, I literally got a jolt of 
electricity, my hand stuck, my knees buckled and down I went. I 
didn’t take a shower after that, needless to say.




When I came downstairs, I heard water and could hear popping. The 
main water line from my well had exploded and electricity was 
sparking from it."







http://www.dcclothesline.com/2015/06/27/smart-meters-fire-living-hell-and-bureaucratic-messes/



-Original Message-

From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Monday, January 2, 2017 11:41 AM

To: af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question



Seth, was that meant to be tongue-in-cheek?



http://emfsafetynetwork.org/smart-meters/smart-meter-fires-and-explosions/



On 01/02/2017 10:25 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

> On 1/2/17 09:39, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

>> Well, I guess if they change out the socket when they change the 
meter,


>> they could put a big ass contactor in there.

>> Note the statement uses the future tense “will have remote 
switching


>> capabilities”.  Like cars will have the ability to fly...

>>

>

> I suppose the other option would be SCRs, but there's heat issues 
with


> those as they get bigger. An SCR could start an electrical fire if 
it


> overheated.

>

> ~Seth

>

[AFMUG] RouterOS License question

[Adam Moffett]

I just backed up and restored a RouterOS virtual machine.

Is there a way to just confirm that the license is still valid?