Re: [AFMUG] OT Contractor files $2 million lawsuit against Trump for unpaid bills | TheHill

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I can verify this, even the collection companies wont sue me, nothing to
gain on a judgement with a 20 dollar a month for 350 year payment plan

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 10:18 PM, Jon Langeler 
wrote:

> People at the top are the ones always attacked. Broke people don't get
> sued :-)
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
> On Jan 25, 2017, at 11:01 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> Not first such lawsuit against him
>
> On Jan 25, 2017 8:29 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
>> I have been sued for not paying a contractor. I was over billed and less
>> work performed than promised.  I have more money than he does.  Does that
>> mean that I deserve to be screwed? I think not.
>> I am not saying who was right in the case you mentioned; just that not
>> paying a contractor and getting sued doesn't mean your wrong.
>>
>> On Jan 25, 2017 2:35 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> seriosly though, has anybody ever FOIAd this lease?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Stupid me... Alternative facts... Sorry sorry comrades

 On Jan 25, 2017 1:28 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> that would not be his problem now, he doesnt own it
>
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 2:05 PM, Jaime Solorza <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Classy guy
>>
>> http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/316098-contractor
>> -files-2-million-against-trump-for-unpaid-bills?amp=1
>>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Contractor files $2 million lawsuit against Trump for unpaid bills | TheHill

[Jon Langeler]

People at the top are the ones always attacked. Broke people don't get sued :-)

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Jan 25, 2017, at 11:01 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
> 
> Not first such lawsuit against him
> 
>> On Jan 25, 2017 8:29 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>> I have been sued for not paying a contractor. I was over billed and less 
>> work performed than promised.  I have more money than he does.  Does that 
>> mean that I deserve to be screwed? I think not. 
>> I am not saying who was right in the case you mentioned; just that not 
>> paying a contractor and getting sued doesn't mean your wrong. 
>> 
>>> On Jan 25, 2017 2:35 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
>>>  wrote:
>>> seriosly though, has anybody ever FOIAd this lease?
>>> 
 On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Jaime Solorza  
 wrote:
 Stupid me... Alternative facts... Sorry sorry comrades
 
> On Jan 25, 2017 1:28 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
>  wrote:
> that would not be his problem now, he doesnt own it
> 
>> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 2:05 PM, Jaime Solorza 
>>  wrote:
>> Classy guy 
>> 
>> http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/316098-contractor-files-2-million-against-trump-for-unpaid-bills?amp=1
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team 
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
>>> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Contractor files $2 million lawsuit against Trump for unpaid bills | TheHill

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

cnn says trump controls over 500 companies
lawsuits, liens, general court filings are to be expected in small business
(you do carry insurance, right?)
let the details come out

If youre not being sued youre not growing

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 10:13 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> chuck mccown, havent you been sued like a billion times?
>
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 10:01 PM, Jaime Solorza  > wrote:
>
>> Not first such lawsuit against him
>>
>> On Jan 25, 2017 8:29 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>>
>>> I have been sued for not paying a contractor. I was over billed and less
>>> work performed than promised.  I have more money than he does.  Does that
>>> mean that I deserve to be screwed? I think not.
>>> I am not saying who was right in the case you mentioned; just that not
>>> paying a contractor and getting sued doesn't mean your wrong.
>>>
>>> On Jan 25, 2017 2:35 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 seriosly though, has anybody ever FOIAd this lease?

 On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Jaime Solorza <
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Stupid me... Alternative facts... Sorry sorry comrades
>
> On Jan 25, 2017 1:28 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> that would not be his problem now, he doesnt own it
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 2:05 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Classy guy
>>>
>>> http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/316098-contractor
>>> -files-2-million-against-trump-for-unpaid-bills?amp=1
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>


 --
 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

>>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Contractor files $2 million lawsuit against Trump for unpaid bills | TheHill

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

chuck mccown, havent you been sued like a billion times?

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 10:01 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Not first such lawsuit against him
>
> On Jan 25, 2017 8:29 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
>> I have been sued for not paying a contractor. I was over billed and less
>> work performed than promised.  I have more money than he does.  Does that
>> mean that I deserve to be screwed? I think not.
>> I am not saying who was right in the case you mentioned; just that not
>> paying a contractor and getting sued doesn't mean your wrong.
>>
>> On Jan 25, 2017 2:35 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> seriosly though, has anybody ever FOIAd this lease?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Stupid me... Alternative facts... Sorry sorry comrades

 On Jan 25, 2017 1:28 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> that would not be his problem now, he doesnt own it
>
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 2:05 PM, Jaime Solorza <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Classy guy
>>
>> http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/316098-contractor
>> -files-2-million-against-trump-for-unpaid-bills?amp=1
>>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Contractor files $2 million lawsuit against Trump for unpaid bills | TheHill

[Jaime Solorza]

Not first such lawsuit against him

On Jan 25, 2017 8:29 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> I have been sued for not paying a contractor. I was over billed and less
> work performed than promised.  I have more money than he does.  Does that
> mean that I deserve to be screwed? I think not.
> I am not saying who was right in the case you mentioned; just that not
> paying a contractor and getting sued doesn't mean your wrong.
>
> On Jan 25, 2017 2:35 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> seriosly though, has anybody ever FOIAd this lease?
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Jaime Solorza > > wrote:
>>
>>> Stupid me... Alternative facts... Sorry sorry comrades
>>>
>>> On Jan 25, 2017 1:28 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 that would not be his problem now, he doesnt own it

 On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 2:05 PM, Jaime Solorza <
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Classy guy
>
> http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/316098-contractor
> -files-2-million-against-trump-for-unpaid-bills?amp=1
>



 --
 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Contractor files $2 million lawsuit against Trump for unpaid bills | TheHill

[Lewis Bergman]

I have been sued for not paying a contractor. I was over billed and less
work performed than promised.  I have more money than he does.  Does that
mean that I deserve to be screwed? I think not.
I am not saying who was right in the case you mentioned; just that not
paying a contractor and getting sued doesn't mean your wrong.

On Jan 25, 2017 2:35 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> seriosly though, has anybody ever FOIAd this lease?
>
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Stupid me... Alternative facts... Sorry sorry comrades
>>
>> On Jan 25, 2017 1:28 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> that would not be his problem now, he doesnt own it
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 2:05 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Classy guy

 http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/316098-contractor
 -files-2-million-against-trump-for-unpaid-bills?amp=1

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

[Josh Reynolds]

A lot of the lines Trump has used come directly from the America First
party.
http://www.americafirstparty.org/links/index.shtml


On Jan 25, 2017 9:16 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> It appears to me that "make America great again" has been misinterpreted.
> It seems everyone thinks it refers to a time of segregation or some
> mythical great time in the past.
> It seems to me from listening to trump, as hard as that is, that it is
> being put more in terms of "make America first again". Maybe that is what
> he always meant?
>
> First as in, " I don't care if it is good for anyone else as long as it is
> good for us " type of deal.  You know,  the Kissenger way. Get everyone to
> shoot at each other while you egg them on.
>
> On Jan 25, 2017 6:26 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
> maybe they want us to Time Tunnel or Teleport into Mayberry... That's
> about a great as you can get, huh?
>
> On Jan 25, 2017 5:17 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
>> The people who want to make America great again, I’m unclear on exactly
>> when that was?   Usually the assumption is around 50 years ago, but All In
>> The Family was set in the 60’s, and it seems that Archie Bunker had the
>> exact same gripes then.
>>
>>
>>
>> Obviously there were no SFPs then, so what is the missing ingredient?
>> Glenn Miller?  That would be around 1940.
>>
>>
>>
>> I will tell you that I turned draft age in 1968, and there were some
>> not-so-great things about the 60’s.  My kids however assume that was before
>> sex, drugs and rock&roll, apparently they have not seen any Austin Powers
>> movies.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 25, 2017 5:43 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 25, 2017 3:58:23 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B
>>
>> Only one of them have an SFP.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 4:56 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>>
>> Mimosa B11s vs UNBT AF-11X.  Getting ready to deploy some 11 Ghz wireless
>> links  here
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul McCall, President
>>
>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>
>> 772-564-6800 <%28772%29%20564-6800>
>>
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>> www.pdmnet.com
>>
>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

[Lewis Bergman]

It appears to me that "make America great again" has been misinterpreted.
It seems everyone thinks it refers to a time of segregation or some
mythical great time in the past.
It seems to me from listening to trump, as hard as that is, that it is
being put more in terms of "make America first again". Maybe that is what
he always meant?

First as in, " I don't care if it is good for anyone else as long as it is
good for us " type of deal.  You know,  the Kissenger way. Get everyone to
shoot at each other while you egg them on.

On Jan 25, 2017 6:26 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

maybe they want us to Time Tunnel or Teleport into Mayberry... That's about
a great as you can get, huh?

On Jan 25, 2017 5:17 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> The people who want to make America great again, I’m unclear on exactly
> when that was?   Usually the assumption is around 50 years ago, but All In
> The Family was set in the 60’s, and it seems that Archie Bunker had the
> exact same gripes then.
>
>
>
> Obviously there were no SFPs then, so what is the missing ingredient?
> Glenn Miller?  That would be around 1940.
>
>
>
> I will tell you that I turned draft age in 1968, and there were some
> not-so-great things about the 60’s.  My kids however assume that was before
> sex, drugs and rock&roll, apparently they have not seen any Austin Powers
> movies.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 25, 2017 5:43 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 25, 2017 3:58:23 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B
>
> Only one of them have an SFP.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 4:56 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> Mimosa B11s vs UNBT AF-11X.  Getting ready to deploy some 11 Ghz wireless
> links  here
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <%28772%29%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

[Hardy, Tim]

Chris,

It might help us design these properly if we knew what the saturation levels 
were.  We have these for most other radios.

Thanks,

Tim

From: Af  on behalf of Chris Trout 
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 9:22:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

The PHY (Layer 1) is affected by EVM and PER which cause changes in modulation.
The MAC (Layer 2), where TDMA lives, makes use of the PHY but does not change 
it directly.
Changes in the amount and direction of traffic across the link do affect EVM 
and PER, however.

It is likely that the PHY rate is more stable on your link at 1300 Mbps (MCS7) 
than at 1560 Mbps (MCS8), and Auto TDMA is reacting faster to changing 
conditions since it sends a shorter duration of packets for training the PHY 
rate.

As others have recommended, reducing power will avoid saturating the receiver, 
and reduce (improve) EVM. I think that is what we may be seeing here on a very 
short link.

Chris Trout
Mimosa Networks, Inc.

From: Af  on behalf of Chris Wright 
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 at 1:55 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

Traffic Split set to Auto:
PHY1300/1300

Traffic Split set to 75/25, 8ms window:
PHY1560/1300

Anyone can see why one should prefer setting the Traffic Split to 75/25 – it 
provides more bandwidth in one direction.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Faisal Imtiaz [mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Cc: Chris Wright
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

Hi Chris,

I want to compare something with my link...

Can you please share what's the listed PHY rates were on your PCN for the link.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "Chris Wright" mailto:ch...@velociter.net>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 11:21:12 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
Power is already at the minimum (10dBm) on both sides. 2.2km link.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 9:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

>SNR 41, 42, 41, 41

Turn down your power, and bring the SNR in the 30-35 range...
it will improve thruput and allow for the higher modulation.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "Chris Wright" mailto:ch...@velociter.net>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:41:37 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
Firmware 1.4.4
SNR 41, 42, 41, 41
Flow Control had no effect so it remains disabled for now.
Sent via mobile phone.

On Jan 24, 2017, at 9:05 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>> wrote:
What version for firmware is on the radio ?

and   What your SNR on the two chains (both directions, i.e. 4 readings).

I can tell you that we do not see the behavior you are describing below...
But I can also tell you that we had to do some 'tuning' on settings including 
flow control ..
our B11's plug into netonix Switches

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "Chris Wright" mailto:ch...@velociter.net>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 8:02:58 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
According to Mimosa, I should be telling my customers that if they’re using the 
most popular metric in the world for testing internet speeds, they’re doing it 
wrong (I concede that while this may be technically correct, my customers – and 
yours too – don’t do technically correct very well.”

When TDMA is set to 75/25, 8ms window, MAC Tx/Rx is 980/290. This gives me as 
much Tx bandwidth as I require for peak times, but no one client IP can 
download more than 20mbps of TCP traffic (from my 
speedtest.net at the edge, nor anyone else’s beyond my 
edge).

When TDMA is Auto, MAC Tx/Rx is 780/780 (lower Tx, which is undesirable as it’s 
100mbps shy of what I need during peak hours), but TCP throughput per client is 
greatly increased (150+mbps).

So I’m in a pickle. Either my scrupulous customers can get those coveted 
speedtest.net results they love seeing as they run them 
every thirty seconds ad-nauseum at the cost of overall Tx capacit

Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

[Chris Trout]

The PHY (Layer 1) is affected by EVM and PER which cause changes in modulation.
The MAC (Layer 2), where TDMA lives, makes use of the PHY but does not change 
it directly.
Changes in the amount and direction of traffic across the link do affect EVM 
and PER, however.

It is likely that the PHY rate is more stable on your link at 1300 Mbps (MCS7) 
than at 1560 Mbps (MCS8), and Auto TDMA is reacting faster to changing 
conditions since it sends a shorter duration of packets for training the PHY 
rate.

As others have recommended, reducing power will avoid saturating the receiver, 
and reduce (improve) EVM. I think that is what we may be seeing here on a very 
short link.

Chris Trout
Mimosa Networks, Inc.

From: Af  on behalf of Chris Wright 
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 at 1:55 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

Traffic Split set to Auto:
PHY1300/1300

Traffic Split set to 75/25, 8ms window:
PHY1560/1300

Anyone can see why one should prefer setting the Traffic Split to 75/25 – it 
provides more bandwidth in one direction.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Faisal Imtiaz [mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Cc: Chris Wright
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

Hi Chris,

I want to compare something with my link...

Can you please share what's the listed PHY rates were on your PCN for the link.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "Chris Wright" mailto:ch...@velociter.net>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 11:21:12 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
Power is already at the minimum (10dBm) on both sides. 2.2km link.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 9:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

>SNR 41, 42, 41, 41

Turn down your power, and bring the SNR in the 30-35 range...
it will improve thruput and allow for the higher modulation.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "Chris Wright" mailto:ch...@velociter.net>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:41:37 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
Firmware 1.4.4
SNR 41, 42, 41, 41
Flow Control had no effect so it remains disabled for now.
Sent via mobile phone.

On Jan 24, 2017, at 9:05 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>> wrote:
What version for firmware is on the radio ?

and   What your SNR on the two chains (both directions, i.e. 4 readings).

I can tell you that we do not see the behavior you are describing below...
But I can also tell you that we had to do some 'tuning' on settings including 
flow control ..
our B11's plug into netonix Switches

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "Chris Wright" mailto:ch...@velociter.net>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 8:02:58 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
According to Mimosa, I should be telling my customers that if they’re using the 
most popular metric in the world for testing internet speeds, they’re doing it 
wrong (I concede that while this may be technically correct, my customers – and 
yours too – don’t do technically correct very well.”

When TDMA is set to 75/25, 8ms window, MAC Tx/Rx is 980/290. This gives me as 
much Tx bandwidth as I require for peak times, but no one client IP can 
download more than 20mbps of TCP traffic (from my 
speedtest.net at the edge, nor anyone else’s beyond my 
edge).

When TDMA is Auto, MAC Tx/Rx is 780/780 (lower Tx, which is undesirable as it’s 
100mbps shy of what I need during peak hours), but TCP throughput per client is 
greatly increased (150+mbps).

So I’m in a pickle. Either my scrupulous customers can get those coveted 
speedtest.net results they love seeing as they run them 
every thirty seconds ad-nauseum at the cost of overall Tx capacity of the link. 
Or I give myself some headroom in link capacity but the fastest speeds my 
100mbps clients can see is 20mbps.

What’s even stranger is that client upload seems unaffected. I can upload 
150+mbps from my test on the link no matter what TDMA is configured. I hit up 
Mimosa’s chat support was as chippe

Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Had to stop reading once it said sevens. The trumpenreich would not allow
less than an 8. Fake news, praise kek.


On Jan 25, 2017 6:20 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2017/01/
24/the-true-correct-story-of-what-happened-at-donald-
trumps-inauguration/?tid=hybrid_experimentrandom_3_na-
amp&utm_term=.428e092e7fd8

Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

[Jaime Solorza]

maybe they want us to Time Tunnel or Teleport into Mayberry... That's about
a great as you can get, huh?

On Jan 25, 2017 5:17 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> The people who want to make America great again, I’m unclear on exactly
> when that was?   Usually the assumption is around 50 years ago, but All In
> The Family was set in the 60’s, and it seems that Archie Bunker had the
> exact same gripes then.
>
>
>
> Obviously there were no SFPs then, so what is the missing ingredient?
> Glenn Miller?  That would be around 1940.
>
>
>
> I will tell you that I turned draft age in 1968, and there were some
> not-so-great things about the 60’s.  My kids however assume that was before
> sex, drugs and rock&roll, apparently they have not seen any Austin Powers
> movies.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 25, 2017 5:43 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 25, 2017 3:58:23 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B
>
> Only one of them have an SFP.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 4:56 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> Mimosa B11s vs UNBT AF-11X.  Getting ready to deploy some 11 Ghz wireless
> links  here
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <%28772%29%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

[AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

[Jaime Solorza]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2017/01/24/the-true-correct-story-of-what-happened-at-donald-trumps-inauguration/?tid=hybrid_experimentrandom_3_na-amp&utm_term=.428e092e7fd8

Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

[Mike Hammett]

- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 3:58:23 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B 


Only one of them have an SFP. 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 4:56 PM, Paul McCall < pa...@pdmnet.net > wrote: 





Mimosa B11s vs UNBT AF-11X. Getting ready to deploy some 11 Ghz wireless links 
here 

Paul McCall, President 
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc. 
658 Old Dixie Highway 
Vero Beach, FL 32962 
772-564-6800 
pa...@pdmnet.net 
www.pdmnet.com 
www.floridabroadband.com 

Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

[Gino Villarini]

Half the throughput tho..

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Jaime 
Fink mailto:ja...@mimosa.co>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 at 6:13 PM
To: Dennis Burgess mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>>, 
"af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

Quick correction, Frequency Diverse TDD, it’s not full duplex as y’all would 
call it.

Jaime Fink • Mimosa • CPO & Co-Founder




Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On January 25, 2017 at 2:08:05 PM, Dennis Burgess 
(dmburg...@linktechs.net) wrote:
Note the B11 can run full duplex, but the TDMA mode is so much better.  Lol

Dennis Burgess
www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – 
dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 4:04 PM
To: af mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

Depends on your requirements. The B11 has a bit more overall capacity, and SFP. 
The AF-11 is a little cheaper, full duplex and more spectrally efficient. For 
links that require less than 600Mbps (each direction), the AF-11 looks better 
to me... but I haven't actually used any yet, so my opinion might change once 
we get a link or two up...
We do have two B11 links up that are doing their jobs just fine.

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 3:56 PM, Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Mimosa B11s vs UNBT AF-11X.  Getting ready to deploy some 11 Ghz wireless links 
 here

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

[Ken Hohhof]

11 GHz backhaul with 20 ms roundtrip delay causes my head to hurt greatly, why 
would you ever want to configure something like that?

 

On a licensed backhaul, I’d say 5 ms is about where you start questioning if 
this is really a licensed backhaul, and ideally you’d like sub-millisecond 
because backhauls can be daisy-chained.

 

At 20 ms, the benefits had better be YUGE!  Like it poops rainbows and ponies, 
or the vendor pays you to buy it.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Fink
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 4:20 PM
To: Josh Luthman ; af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

 

Yes, sync settings of 2/4/8 ms timing window introduce a natural 5/10/20 RT 
delay respectively. Dynamic/auto mode is NOT syncable but reduces latency to 
about 1-2ms range.

 

Jaime Fink •   Mimosa • CPO & Co-Founder

 

On January 25, 2017 at 2:13:43 PM, Josh Luthman (j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
 ) wrote:

Why are we looking at 8ms of latency on this radio?  Does it offer sync?  The 
website doesn't say.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Chris Wright mailto:ch...@velociter.net> > wrote:

Traffic Split set to Auto:

PHY1300/1300

 

Traffic Split set to 75/25, 8ms window:

PHY1560/1300

 

Anyone can see why one should prefer setting the Traffic Split to 75/25 – it 
provides more bandwidth in one direction.

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Faisal Imtiaz [mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net 
 ]
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Cc: Chris Wright


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

 

Hi Chris, 

 

I want to compare something with my link... 

 

Can you please share what's the listed PHY rates were on your PCN for the link.

 

Regards.

 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232  

Help-desk: (305)663-5518   Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net  

 


  _  


From: "Chris Wright" mailto:ch...@velociter.net> >
To: af@afmug.com  
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 11:21:12 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

Power is already at the minimum (10dBm) on both sides. 2.2km link.

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 9:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

 

>SNR 41, 42, 41, 41

 

Turn down your power, and bring the SNR in the 30-35 range...

it will improve thruput and allow for the higher modulation.

 

Regards.

 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232  

Help-desk: (305)663-5518   Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net  

 


  _  


From: "Chris Wright" mailto:ch...@velociter.net> >
To: af@afmug.com  
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:41:37 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

Firmware 1.4.4

SNR 41, 42, 41, 41

Flow Control had no effect so it remains disabled for now.

Sent via mobile phone.


On Jan 24, 2017, at 9:05 PM, Faisal Imtiaz mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net> > wrote:

What version for firmware is on the radio ? 

 

and   What your SNR on the two chains (both directions, i.e. 4 readings).

 

I can tell you that we do not see the behavior you are describing below...

But I can also tell you that we had to do some 'tuning' on settings including 
flow control ..

our B11's plug into netonix Switches 

 

Regards.

 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232  

Help-desk: (305)663-5518   Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net  

 


  _  


From: "Chris Wright" mailto:ch...@velociter.net> >
To: af@afmug.com  
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 8:02:58 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

According to Mimosa, I should be telling my customers that if they’re using the 
most popular metric in the world for testing internet speeds, they’re doing it 
wrong (I concede that while this may be technically correct, my customers – and 
yours too – don’t do technically correct very well.”

 

When TDMA is set to 75/25, 8ms window, MAC Tx/Rx is 980/290. This gives me as 
much Tx bandwidth as I require for peak times, but no one client IP can 
download more than 20mbps of TCP traffic (from my speedtest.net 
  at the edge, nor anyone else’s beyond my edge).

 

When TDMA is Auto, MAC Tx/Rx is 780/780 (lower Tx, which is undesirable as it’s 
100mbps shy of what I need during peak hours), but TCP throughput per client is 
greatly increased (150+mbps)

Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

[Josh Luthman]

>From my perspective this Auto/non sync MAC seems infinitely superior.  You
can only sync with B11 and have to do the same master/slave on the same
tower.

Or you can do it like every other 11 GHz backhaul and just use frequency
separation while getting more bandwidth with less latency...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 5:25 PM, Jaime Fink  wrote:

> Yes, there is a 10% hit on throughput on each decrement of sync timing.
>
> Unless you have an explicit nearby B11 you’re trying to sync with and have
> a PCN for in an alternate direction, we clearly would recommend using Auto
> for latency and dynamic bandwidth features.
>
> Jaime Fink • Mimosa  • CPO & Co-Founder
>
> On January 25, 2017 at 2:20:48 PM, Mathew Howard (mhoward...@gmail.com)
> wrote:
>
> They do offer sync, but I'm not sure what the advantage is of using an 8ms
> TDMA window (they support 2ms, 4ms and 8ms)... more capacity, maybe? I have
> ours running in Auto, and I'm seeing 1ms average ping times across it.
>
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 4:13 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> Why are we looking at 8ms of latency on this radio?  Does it offer sync?
>> The website doesn't say.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Chris Wright 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Traffic Split set to Auto:
>>>
>>> PHY1300/1300
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Traffic Split set to 75/25, 8ms window:
>>>
>>> PHY1560/1300
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyone can see why one should prefer setting the Traffic Split to 75/25
>>> – it provides more bandwidth in one direction.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris Wright
>>>
>>> Network Administrator
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Faisal Imtiaz [mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net]
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:35 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Cc:* Chris Wright
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Chris,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I want to compare something with my link...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Can you please share what's the listed PHY rates were on your PCN for
>>> the link.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
>>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From:* "Chris Wright" 
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 25, 2017 11:21:12 AM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
>>>
>>> Power is already at the minimum (10dBm) on both sides. 2.2km link.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris Wright
>>>
>>> Network Administrator
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>>> Behalf Of* Faisal Imtiaz
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 24, 2017 9:56 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >SNR 41, 42, 41, 41
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Turn down your power, and bring the SNR in the 30-35 range...
>>>
>>> it will improve thruput and allow for the higher modulation.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
>>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From:* "Chris Wright" 
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:41:37 AM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
>>>
>>> Firmware 1.4.4
>>>
>>> SNR 41, 42, 41, 41
>>>
>>> Flow Control had no effect so it remains disabled for now.
>>>
>>> Sent via mobile phone.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 24, 2017, at 9:05 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> What version for firmware is on the radio ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> and   What your SNR on the two chains (both directions, i.e. 4 readings).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I can tell you that we do not see the behavior you are describing
>>> below...
>>>
>>> But I can also tell you that we had to do some 'tuning' on settings
>>> including flow control ..
>>>
>>> our B11's plug into netonix Switches
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
>>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From:* "Chris Wright" 
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 24, 2017 8:02:58 PM
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
>>>
>>> According to Mimosa, I should be telling my customers that if they’re
>>> using the most popular metric in the world for testing internet speeds,
>>> they’re doing it wrong (I concede that while this may be technically
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

[Josh Luthman]

And it has an SFP.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 5:13 PM, Jaime Fink  wrote:

> Quick correction, Frequency Diverse TDD, it’s not full duplex as y’all
> would call it.
>
> Jaime Fink • Mimosa  • CPO & Co-Founder
>
> On January 25, 2017 at 2:08:05 PM, Dennis Burgess (dmburg...@linktechs.net)
> wrote:
>
> Note the B11 can run full duplex, but the TDMA mode is so much better.
> Lol
>
>
>
> Dennis Burgess
>
> www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 <(314)%20735-0270> –
> dmburg...@linktechs.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 25, 2017 4:04 PM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B
>
>
>
> Depends on your requirements. The B11 has a bit more overall capacity, and
> SFP. The AF-11 is a little cheaper, full duplex and more spectrally
> efficient. For links that require less than 600Mbps (each direction), the
> AF-11 looks better to me... but I haven't actually used any yet, so my
> opinion might change once we get a link or two up...
>
> We do have two B11 links up that are doing their jobs just fine.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 3:56 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> Mimosa B11s vs UNBT AF-11X.  Getting ready to deploy some 11 Ghz wireless
> links  here
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

[Jaime Fink]

Yes, there is a 10% hit on throughput on each decrement of sync timing.

Unless you have an explicit nearby B11 you’re trying to sync with and have a 
PCN for in an alternate direction, we clearly would recommend using Auto for 
latency and dynamic bandwidth features.

Jaime Fink • Mimosa • CPO & Co-Founder


On January 25, 2017 at 2:20:48 PM, Mathew Howard 
(mhoward...@gmail.com) wrote:

They do offer sync, but I'm not sure what the advantage is of using an 8ms TDMA 
window (they support 2ms, 4ms and 8ms)... more capacity, maybe? I have ours 
running in Auto, and I'm seeing 1ms average ping times across it.

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 4:13 PM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Why are we looking at 8ms of latency on this radio?  Does it offer sync?  The 
website doesn't say.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Chris Wright 
mailto:ch...@velociter.net>> wrote:
Traffic Split set to Auto:
PHY1300/1300

Traffic Split set to 75/25, 8ms window:
PHY1560/1300

Anyone can see why one should prefer setting the Traffic Split to 75/25 – it 
provides more bandwidth in one direction.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Faisal Imtiaz 
[mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Cc: Chris Wright

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

Hi Chris,

I want to compare something with my link...

Can you please share what's the listed PHY rates were on your PCN for the link.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "Chris Wright" mailto:ch...@velociter.net>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 11:21:12 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
Power is already at the minimum (10dBm) on both sides. 2.2km link.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 9:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

>SNR 41, 42, 41, 41

Turn down your power, and bring the SNR in the 30-35 range...
it will improve thruput and allow for the higher modulation.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "Chris Wright" mailto:ch...@velociter.net>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:41:37 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
Firmware 1.4.4
SNR 41, 42, 41, 41
Flow Control had no effect so it remains disabled for now.
Sent via mobile phone.

On Jan 24, 2017, at 9:05 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>> wrote:
What version for firmware is on the radio ?

and   What your SNR on the two chains (both directions, i.e. 4 readings).

I can tell you that we do not see the behavior you are describing below...
But I can also tell you that we had to do some 'tuning' on settings including 
flow control ..
our B11's plug into netonix Switches

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "Chris Wright" mailto:ch...@velociter.net>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 8:02:58 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
According to Mimosa, I should be telling my customers that if they’re using the 
most popular metric in the world for testing internet speeds, they’re doing it 
wrong (I concede that while this may be technically correct, my customers – and 
yours too – don’t do technically correct very well.”

When TDMA is set to 75/25, 8ms window, MAC Tx/Rx is 980/290. This gives me as 
much Tx bandwidth as I require for peak times, but no one client IP can 
download more than 20mbps of TCP traffic (from my 
speedtest.net at the edge, nor anyone else’s beyond my 
edge).

When TDMA is Auto, MAC Tx/Rx is 780/780 (lower Tx, which is undesirable as it’s 
100mbps shy of what I need during peak hours), but TCP throughput per client is 
greatly increased (150+mbps).

So I’m in a pickle. Either my scrupulous customers can get those coveted 
speedtest.net results they love seeing as they run them 
every thirty seconds ad-nauseum at the cost of overall Tx capacity of the link. 
Or I give myself some headroom in link capacity but the fastest speeds my 
100mbps clie

Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

[Mathew Howard]

Jaime, am I understanding correctly that you should always get the most
capacity in one direction by using dynamic/auto mode?

Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

[Mathew Howard]

They do offer sync, but I'm not sure what the advantage is of using an 8ms
TDMA window (they support 2ms, 4ms and 8ms)... more capacity, maybe? I have
ours running in Auto, and I'm seeing 1ms average ping times across it.

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 4:13 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Why are we looking at 8ms of latency on this radio?  Does it offer sync?
> The website doesn't say.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Chris Wright  wrote:
>
>> Traffic Split set to Auto:
>>
>> PHY1300/1300
>>
>>
>>
>> Traffic Split set to 75/25, 8ms window:
>>
>> PHY1560/1300
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyone can see why one should prefer setting the Traffic Split to 75/25 –
>> it provides more bandwidth in one direction.
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris Wright
>>
>> Network Administrator
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Faisal Imtiaz [mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:35 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Cc:* Chris Wright
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>>
>>
>> I want to compare something with my link...
>>
>>
>>
>> Can you please share what's the listed PHY rates were on your PCN for the
>> link.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>>
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Chris Wright" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 25, 2017 11:21:12 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
>>
>> Power is already at the minimum (10dBm) on both sides. 2.2km link.
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris Wright
>>
>> Network Administrator
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 24, 2017 9:56 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
>>
>>
>>
>> >SNR 41, 42, 41, 41
>>
>>
>>
>> Turn down your power, and bring the SNR in the 30-35 range...
>>
>> it will improve thruput and allow for the higher modulation.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>>
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Chris Wright" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:41:37 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
>>
>> Firmware 1.4.4
>>
>> SNR 41, 42, 41, 41
>>
>> Flow Control had no effect so it remains disabled for now.
>>
>> Sent via mobile phone.
>>
>>
>> On Jan 24, 2017, at 9:05 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
>> wrote:
>>
>> What version for firmware is on the radio ?
>>
>>
>>
>> and   What your SNR on the two chains (both directions, i.e. 4 readings).
>>
>>
>>
>> I can tell you that we do not see the behavior you are describing below...
>>
>> But I can also tell you that we had to do some 'tuning' on settings
>> including flow control ..
>>
>> our B11's plug into netonix Switches
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>>
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Chris Wright" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 24, 2017 8:02:58 PM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
>>
>> According to Mimosa, I should be telling my customers that if they’re
>> using the most popular metric in the world for testing internet speeds,
>> they’re doing it wrong (I concede that while this may be technically
>> correct, my customers – and yours too – don’t do technically correct very
>> well.”
>>
>>
>>
>> When TDMA is set to 75/25, 8ms window, MAC Tx/Rx is 980/290. This gives
>> me as much Tx bandwidth as I require for peak times, but no one client IP
>> can download more than 20mbps of TCP traffic (from my speedtest.net at
>> the edge, nor anyone else’s beyond my edge).
>>
>>
>>
>> When TDMA is Auto, MAC Tx/Rx is 780/780 (lower Tx, which is undesirable
>> as it’s 100mbps shy of what I need during peak hours), but TCP throughput
>> per client is greatly increased (150+mbps).
>>
>>
>>
>> So I’m in a pickle. Either my scrupulous customers can get those coveted
>> speedtest.net results they love seeing as they run them every thirty
>> seconds ad-nauseum at the cost of overall Tx capacity of the link. Or I
>> give myself some headroom in link capacity but the fastest speeds my
>> 100mbps clients can see is 20mbps.
>>
>>
>>
>> What’s even stranger is that client upload seems unaffected. I can upload
>> 150+mbps from my test on the link no matter what TDMA is configu

Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

[Jaime Fink]

Yes, sync settings of 2/4/8 ms timing window introduce a natural 5/10/20 RT 
delay respectively. Dynamic/auto mode is NOT syncable but reduces latency to 
about 1-2ms range.

Jaime Fink • Mimosa • CPO & Co-Founder


On January 25, 2017 at 2:13:43 PM, Josh Luthman 
(j...@imaginenetworksllc.com) wrote:

Why are we looking at 8ms of latency on this radio?  Does it offer sync?  The 
website doesn't say.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Chris Wright 
mailto:ch...@velociter.net>> wrote:
Traffic Split set to Auto:
PHY1300/1300

Traffic Split set to 75/25, 8ms window:
PHY1560/1300

Anyone can see why one should prefer setting the Traffic Split to 75/25 – it 
provides more bandwidth in one direction.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Faisal Imtiaz 
[mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Cc: Chris Wright

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

Hi Chris,

I want to compare something with my link...

Can you please share what's the listed PHY rates were on your PCN for the link.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "Chris Wright" mailto:ch...@velociter.net>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 11:21:12 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
Power is already at the minimum (10dBm) on both sides. 2.2km link.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 9:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

>SNR 41, 42, 41, 41

Turn down your power, and bring the SNR in the 30-35 range...
it will improve thruput and allow for the higher modulation.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "Chris Wright" mailto:ch...@velociter.net>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:41:37 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
Firmware 1.4.4
SNR 41, 42, 41, 41
Flow Control had no effect so it remains disabled for now.
Sent via mobile phone.

On Jan 24, 2017, at 9:05 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>> wrote:
What version for firmware is on the radio ?

and   What your SNR on the two chains (both directions, i.e. 4 readings).

I can tell you that we do not see the behavior you are describing below...
But I can also tell you that we had to do some 'tuning' on settings including 
flow control ..
our B11's plug into netonix Switches

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "Chris Wright" mailto:ch...@velociter.net>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 8:02:58 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
According to Mimosa, I should be telling my customers that if they’re using the 
most popular metric in the world for testing internet speeds, they’re doing it 
wrong (I concede that while this may be technically correct, my customers – and 
yours too – don’t do technically correct very well.”

When TDMA is set to 75/25, 8ms window, MAC Tx/Rx is 980/290. This gives me as 
much Tx bandwidth as I require for peak times, but no one client IP can 
download more than 20mbps of TCP traffic (from my 
speedtest.net at the edge, nor anyone else’s beyond my 
edge).

When TDMA is Auto, MAC Tx/Rx is 780/780 (lower Tx, which is undesirable as it’s 
100mbps shy of what I need during peak hours), but TCP throughput per client is 
greatly increased (150+mbps).

So I’m in a pickle. Either my scrupulous customers can get those coveted 
speedtest.net results they love seeing as they run them 
every thirty seconds ad-nauseum at the cost of overall Tx capacity of the link. 
Or I give myself some headroom in link capacity but the fastest speeds my 
100mbps clients can see is 20mbps.

What’s even stranger is that client upload seems unaffected. I can upload 
150+mbps from my test on the link no matter what TDMA is configured. I hit up 
Mimosa’s chat support was as chipper as they were unyielding in their idea that 
I should test in a way that caters to the B11’s shortcomings. I’ve been a 
Mimosa fanboy for a while now but boy am I feeling burned right 

Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

[Josh Luthman]

Why are we looking at 8ms of latency on this radio?  Does it offer sync?
The website doesn't say.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Chris Wright  wrote:

> Traffic Split set to Auto:
>
> PHY1300/1300
>
>
>
> Traffic Split set to 75/25, 8ms window:
>
> PHY1560/1300
>
>
>
> Anyone can see why one should prefer setting the Traffic Split to 75/25 –
> it provides more bandwidth in one direction.
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>
> *From:* Faisal Imtiaz [mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:35 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Cc:* Chris Wright
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
>
>
>
> Hi Chris,
>
>
>
> I want to compare something with my link...
>
>
>
> Can you please share what's the listed PHY rates were on your PCN for the
> link.
>
>
>
> Regards.
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Chris Wright" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 25, 2017 11:21:12 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
>
> Power is already at the minimum (10dBm) on both sides. 2.2km link.
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 24, 2017 9:56 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
>
>
>
> >SNR 41, 42, 41, 41
>
>
>
> Turn down your power, and bring the SNR in the 30-35 range...
>
> it will improve thruput and allow for the higher modulation.
>
>
>
> Regards.
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Chris Wright" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:41:37 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
>
> Firmware 1.4.4
>
> SNR 41, 42, 41, 41
>
> Flow Control had no effect so it remains disabled for now.
>
> Sent via mobile phone.
>
>
> On Jan 24, 2017, at 9:05 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
> What version for firmware is on the radio ?
>
>
>
> and   What your SNR on the two chains (both directions, i.e. 4 readings).
>
>
>
> I can tell you that we do not see the behavior you are describing below...
>
> But I can also tell you that we had to do some 'tuning' on settings
> including flow control ..
>
> our B11's plug into netonix Switches
>
>
>
> Regards.
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Chris Wright" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 24, 2017 8:02:58 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
>
> According to Mimosa, I should be telling my customers that if they’re
> using the most popular metric in the world for testing internet speeds,
> they’re doing it wrong (I concede that while this may be technically
> correct, my customers – and yours too – don’t do technically correct very
> well.”
>
>
>
> When TDMA is set to 75/25, 8ms window, MAC Tx/Rx is 980/290. This gives me
> as much Tx bandwidth as I require for peak times, but no one client IP can
> download more than 20mbps of TCP traffic (from my speedtest.net at the
> edge, nor anyone else’s beyond my edge).
>
>
>
> When TDMA is Auto, MAC Tx/Rx is 780/780 (lower Tx, which is undesirable as
> it’s 100mbps shy of what I need during peak hours), but TCP throughput per
> client is greatly increased (150+mbps).
>
>
>
> So I’m in a pickle. Either my scrupulous customers can get those coveted
> speedtest.net results they love seeing as they run them every thirty
> seconds ad-nauseum at the cost of overall Tx capacity of the link. Or I
> give myself some headroom in link capacity but the fastest speeds my
> 100mbps clients can see is 20mbps.
>
>
>
> What’s even stranger is that client upload seems unaffected. I can upload
> 150+mbps from my test on the link no matter what TDMA is configured. I hit
> up Mimosa’s chat support was as chipper as they were unyielding in their
> idea that I should test in a way that caters to the B11’s shortcomings.
> I’ve been a Mimosa fanboy for a while now but boy am I feeling burned right
> now.
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

[Jaime Fink]

Quick correction, Frequency Diverse TDD, it’s not full duplex as y’all would 
call it.

Jaime Fink • Mimosa • CPO & Co-Founder


On January 25, 2017 at 2:08:05 PM, Dennis Burgess 
(dmburg...@linktechs.net) wrote:
Note the B11 can run full duplex, but the TDMA mode is so much better.  Lol

Dennis Burgess
www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – 
dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 4:04 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

Depends on your requirements. The B11 has a bit more overall capacity, and SFP. 
The AF-11 is a little cheaper, full duplex and more spectrally efficient. For 
links that require less than 600Mbps (each direction), the AF-11 looks better 
to me... but I haven't actually used any yet, so my opinion might change once 
we get a link or two up...
We do have two B11 links up that are doing their jobs just fine.

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 3:56 PM, Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Mimosa B11s vs UNBT AF-11X.  Getting ready to deploy some 11 Ghz wireless links 
 here

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

[Dennis Burgess]

Note the B11 can run full duplex, but the TDMA mode is so much better.  Lol

Dennis Burgess
www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – 
dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 4:04 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

Depends on your requirements. The B11 has a bit more overall capacity, and SFP. 
The AF-11 is a little cheaper, full duplex and more spectrally efficient. For 
links that require less than 600Mbps (each direction), the AF-11 looks better 
to me... but I haven't actually used any yet, so my opinion might change once 
we get a link or two up...
We do have two B11 links up that are doing their jobs just fine.

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 3:56 PM, Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Mimosa B11s vs UNBT AF-11X.  Getting ready to deploy some 11 Ghz wireless links 
 here

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

[Mathew Howard]

Depends on your requirements. The B11 has a bit more overall capacity, and
SFP. The AF-11 is a little cheaper, full duplex and more spectrally
efficient. For links that require less than 600Mbps (each direction), the
AF-11 looks better to me... but I haven't actually used any yet, so my
opinion might change once we get a link or two up...

We do have two B11 links up that are doing their jobs just fine.

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 3:56 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> Mimosa B11s vs UNBT AF-11X.  Getting ready to deploy some 11 Ghz wireless
> links  here
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

[Josh Luthman]

Only one of them have an SFP.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 4:56 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> Mimosa B11s vs UNBT AF-11X.  Getting ready to deploy some 11 Ghz wireless
> links  here
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>

[AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

[Paul McCall]

Mimosa B11s vs UNBT AF-11X.  Getting ready to deploy some 11 Ghz wireless links 
 here

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

[Chris Wright]

Traffic Split set to Auto:
PHY1300/1300

Traffic Split set to 75/25, 8ms window:
PHY1560/1300

Anyone can see why one should prefer setting the Traffic Split to 75/25 – it 
provides more bandwidth in one direction.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Faisal Imtiaz [mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Cc: Chris Wright
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

Hi Chris,

I want to compare something with my link...

Can you please share what's the listed PHY rates were on your PCN for the link.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "Chris Wright" mailto:ch...@velociter.net>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 11:21:12 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
Power is already at the minimum (10dBm) on both sides. 2.2km link.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 9:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

>SNR 41, 42, 41, 41

Turn down your power, and bring the SNR in the 30-35 range...
it will improve thruput and allow for the higher modulation.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "Chris Wright" mailto:ch...@velociter.net>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:41:37 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
Firmware 1.4.4
SNR 41, 42, 41, 41
Flow Control had no effect so it remains disabled for now.
Sent via mobile phone.

On Jan 24, 2017, at 9:05 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>> wrote:
What version for firmware is on the radio ?

and   What your SNR on the two chains (both directions, i.e. 4 readings).

I can tell you that we do not see the behavior you are describing below...
But I can also tell you that we had to do some 'tuning' on settings including 
flow control ..
our B11's plug into netonix Switches

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "Chris Wright" mailto:ch...@velociter.net>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 8:02:58 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
According to Mimosa, I should be telling my customers that if they’re using the 
most popular metric in the world for testing internet speeds, they’re doing it 
wrong (I concede that while this may be technically correct, my customers – and 
yours too – don’t do technically correct very well.”

When TDMA is set to 75/25, 8ms window, MAC Tx/Rx is 980/290. This gives me as 
much Tx bandwidth as I require for peak times, but no one client IP can 
download more than 20mbps of TCP traffic (from my 
speedtest.net at the edge, nor anyone else’s beyond my 
edge).

When TDMA is Auto, MAC Tx/Rx is 780/780 (lower Tx, which is undesirable as it’s 
100mbps shy of what I need during peak hours), but TCP throughput per client is 
greatly increased (150+mbps).

So I’m in a pickle. Either my scrupulous customers can get those coveted 
speedtest.net results they love seeing as they run them 
every thirty seconds ad-nauseum at the cost of overall Tx capacity of the link. 
Or I give myself some headroom in link capacity but the fastest speeds my 
100mbps clients can see is 20mbps.

What’s even stranger is that client upload seems unaffected. I can upload 
150+mbps from my test on the link no matter what TDMA is configured. I hit up 
Mimosa’s chat support was as chipper as they were unyielding in their idea that 
I should test in a way that caters to the B11’s shortcomings. I’ve been a 
Mimosa fanboy for a while now but boy am I feeling burned right now.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

Re: [AFMUG] customer suddenly can't browse but can stream using apps

[Ken Patrick]

Tp link is notorious for this issue. She should restart the router. We
moved away from them cos of this issue.
On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 11:21 AM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> This seems to me like a well thought out and reasonable approach to any
> complaint.
>
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> All good advice.  Except I would not run over their dog.  (without
> specific provocation)
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 25, 2017 1:08 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] customer suddenly can't browse but can stream
> using apps
>
>
>
> hard coded dns servers in the apps probably
>
> they probably dicked in their router and touched the dhcp server because
> their nephew is a computer genius (who recommended a tp fucking link)
>
> or when dns fails, the apps are reverting to the cellular data
>
> either way tell the customer to get fucked, then just get mad and drive to
> their hose to just take your gear, be so fucking irritated by the time you
> get there you burn down their hous run over their dog and grabbem all by
> the pussy. Then get an AR-15 and start plucking off every adult you see.
> (its been a shitty day today, im living vicariously)
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 12:53 PM, Simon Westlake 
> wrote:
>
> The way it worked when I worked at TWC was that we'd send out a tech for
> free. If we can show it works fine on our laptop, you get billed. If it's
> something that's our problem and we have to fix, we'll do it for free. I
> always thought that was pretty fair, and deters the 'I don't care, just
> come and fix it' mentality.
>
>
>
> On 1/25/2017 12:49 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Customer says she watches Netflix app just fine on the same iPad that can't 
> browse websites.
>
>
>
> Oh, and as far as calling the router vendor, they typically say to bypass the 
> router and if you still have no Internet it's obviously an ISP problem.  (we 
> use PPPoE so this won't work)
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of 
> Jay Weekley
>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:23 PM
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] customer suddenly can't browse but can stream using apps
>
>
>
> They insisted on using their own router and you can verify your radio is 
> sending traffic through it to their Netflix box.  I would give them the 
> option of calling TPLink or sending someone out for an $80 charge if the tech 
> finds it's a problem they created.
>
>
>
> Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> I do not relish the thought of having a newbie run ping tests from an
>
> iPhone while talking on it.
>
>
>
> Also there’s a conversation that never seems to take place out loud:
>
>
>
> “I have a list of computer techs you could call to work on the problem.”
>
>
>
> “But I’d have to pay them!”
>
>
>
> I’d even be willing to pick up the cost of the service call if it is
>
> our problem, but the basic issue is customers expect anything they can
>
> talk their ISP into fixing will be free.  So do I call the guy I have
>
> to pay, or the free guy?
>
>
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On Behalf Of 
> *Simon Westlake
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:01 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] customer suddenly can't browse but can stream
>
> using apps
>
>
>
> My experience from doing tech support for residential users is that
>
> 'no websites will load' means 'I tried going to one website and it
>
> didn't work.' Or 'I opened my web browser, and there's a message I
>
> didn't bother to read, I just don't like it.'
>
>
>
> If it's anything related to her gear, I'd guess it must be the router
>
> - I can't imagine multiple devices all suddenly refusing to load
>
> websites. If it's any consolation, I can get to every website from my
>
> PC, phone and iPad ;)
>
>
>
> On 1/25/2017 11:48 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
>
>
> Just checking because I fear getting sucked down a rabbit hole of
>
> supporting things that are not our responsibility.
>
>
>
> �
>
>
>
> Customer as of about 1 month ago reports suddenly yesterday has
>
> �no Internet�, yet I see regular traffic graphs and she can
>
> stream Netflix fine using apps.� This is reverse of usual,
>
> streaming should be more challenging than just going to a website.
>
>
>
> �
>
>
>
> To make things worse, customer chose to buy own router and has a
>
> TP-Link, so I have no visibility into it.� Plus she has no
>
> actual computers, just iPhones and iPads and a Blu-Ray player.�
>
> Customer is not at all tech savvy (doesn�t understand that
>
> Netflix uses Internet), and seems to expect we will troubleshoot
>
> and fix anything Internet related because she (actually her
>
> parents) are paying us for �Internet�.� She reports the same
>
> symptoms on all devices.
>
>
>
> �
>
>
>
> Is there anything tha

Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Hi Chris, 

I want to compare something with my link... 

Can you please share what's the listed PHY rates were on your PCN for the link. 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Chris Wright" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 11:21:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

> Power is already at the minimum (10dBm) on both sides. 2.2km link.

> Chris Wright

> Network Administrator

> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 9:56 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

> > SNR 41, 42, 41, 41

> Turn down your power, and bring the SNR in the 30-35 range...

> it will improve thruput and allow for the higher modulation.

> Regards.

> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>> From: "Chris Wright" < ch...@velociter.net >
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:41:37 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
>> Firmware 1.4.4

>> SNR 41, 42, 41, 41

>> Flow Control had no effect so it remains disabled for now.

>> Sent via mobile phone.

>> On Jan 24, 2017, at 9:05 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net > 
>> wrote:

>>> What version for firmware is on the radio ?

>>> and What your SNR on the two chains (both directions, i.e. 4 readings).

>>> I can tell you that we do not see the behavior you are describing below...

>>> But I can also tell you that we had to do some 'tuning' on settings 
>>> including
>>> flow control ..

>>> our B11's plug into netonix Switches

>>> Regards.

>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

 From: "Chris Wright" < ch...@velociter.net >
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 8:02:58 PM
 Subject: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
 According to Mimosa, I should be telling my customers that if they’re 
 using the
 most popular metric in the world for testing internet speeds, they’re 
 doing it
 wrong (I concede that while this may be technically correct, my customers 
 – and
 yours too – don’t do technically correct very well.”

 When TDMA is set to 75/25, 8ms window, MAC Tx/Rx is 980/290. This gives me 
 as
 much Tx bandwidth as I require for peak times, but no one client IP can
 download more than 20mbps of TCP traffic (from my speedtest.net at the 
 edge,
 nor anyone else’s beyond my edge).

 When TDMA is Auto, MAC Tx/Rx is 780/780 (lower Tx, which is undesirable as 
 it’s
 100mbps shy of what I need during peak hours), but TCP throughput per 
 client is
 greatly increased (150+mbps).

 So I’m in a pickle. Either my scrupulous customers can get those coveted
 speedtest.net results they love seeing as they run them every thirty 
 seconds
 ad-nauseum at the cost of overall Tx capacity of the link. Or I give myself
 some headroom in link capacity but the fastest speeds my 100mbps clients 
 can
 see is 20mbps.

 What’s even stranger is that client upload seems unaffected. I can upload
 150+mbps from my test on the link no matter what TDMA is configured. I hit 
 up
 Mimosa’s chat support was as chipper as they were unyielding in their idea 
 that
 I should test in a way that caters to the B11’s shortcomings. I’ve been a
 Mimosa fanboy for a while now but boy am I feeling burned right now.

 Chris Wright

 Network Administrator

Re: [AFMUG] OT Contractor files $2 million lawsuit against Trump for unpaid bills | TheHill

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

seriosly though, has anybody ever FOIAd this lease?

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Stupid me... Alternative facts... Sorry sorry comrades
>
> On Jan 25, 2017 1:28 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> that would not be his problem now, he doesnt own it
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 2:05 PM, Jaime Solorza > > wrote:
>>
>>> Classy guy
>>>
>>> http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/316098-contractor
>>> -files-2-million-against-trump-for-unpaid-bills?amp=1
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Contractor files $2 million lawsuit against Trump for unpaid bills | TheHill

[Jaime Solorza]

Stupid me... Alternative facts... Sorry sorry comrades

On Jan 25, 2017 1:28 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> that would not be his problem now, he doesnt own it
>
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 2:05 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Classy guy
>>
>> http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/316098-contractor
>> -files-2-million-against-trump-for-unpaid-bills?amp=1
>>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Contractor files $2 million lawsuit against Trump for unpaid bills | TheHill

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

that would not be his problem now, he doesnt own it

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 2:05 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Classy guy
>
> http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/316098-
> contractor-files-2-million-against-trump-for-unpaid-bills?amp=1
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

[Chris Trout]

We don’t believe there is any software bug here, and it is important to note 
that the speed tests were performed while the link was heavily utilized. PHY 
rates were 1300 Mbps, and existing throughput was 766 Mbps aggregate at the 
time. These details were left out earlier in the thread.

Auto TDMA provides half the latency of a fixed TDMA with 8ms window, and as we 
know, TCP performs better with lower latency. Switching to Auto TDMA allocates 
more capacity in the direction where it is needed, further reducing latency for 
all clients, and improving TCP speed test results.

Mimosa always recommends running speed tests on links in isolation to identify 
the source of any bottlenecks. This usually entails running a standard test 
such as iPerf across the link with nothing in between. We have nothing against 
speedtest.net, and regularly see speed test results that approach link capacity 
when the link throughput is not near capacity.

With fixed TDMA time slots, the MAC rate and performance are consistent, but 
latency is higher. Here is an example using the settings we saw on that 
specific link:
Tx: 1300 PHY * 90% Efficiency with 8ms * 75% traffic split = 877.5 Mbps MAC 
rate (658 with TCP overhead)
Rx: 1300 PHY * 90% Efficiency with 8ms * 25% traffic split = 292.5 Mbps MAC 
rate (219 with TCP overhead)
Latency = 8ms TDMA window * 2.5 = 20 ms

With Auto TDMA, the MAC rate shown on the Dashboard does not represent the full 
Auto TDMA capacity. It shows a 75% traffic split in both directions in all 
conditions, while Auto TDMA is capable of traffic splits beyond that. Thanks, 
Chris for pointing that out, and sorry for the misunderstanding.

Here is the calculation that the Dashboard shows.
Tx: 1300 PHY * 80% Efficiency * 75% traffic split = 780 Mbps MAC rate
Rx: 1300 PHY * 80% Efficiency * 75% traffic split = 780 Mbps MAC rate
Latency = 1-10ms depending on load

The Tx MAC rate appears fixed and lower in Auto TDMA, but is isn’t necessarily. 
Instead, the MAC rate could be as much as the calculation below since Auto TDMA 
adapts the split to traffic demand:
Tx: 1300 PHY * 80% Efficiency * 90% traffic split (auto) = 936 Mbps MAC rate


Chris Trout
Mimosa Networks, Inc.

From: Af  on behalf of Gino Villarini 
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 at 10:49 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

Ouch, I’ve been slapped! Lol!

Thanks Tim for reminding us stuff we forget with age

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Tim 
Hardy mailto:tha...@comsearch.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 at 2:46 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

“Or mis-align your B11 link”

Strictly illegal!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 1:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

AF24Š

Or mis-align your B11 link

On 1/25/17, 2:36 PM, "Af on behalf of Daniel White" 
mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>



Gino Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


[cid:image001.png@01D27705.9B00FA00]
on behalf of afmu...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Not with a B11.
>
>If the equipment is at the minimum TX power and that high of a SNR is
>going to cause problems... then it¹s the wrong gear for that path.
>
>Siklu or SIAE 80GHz would be my first bet for a 2.2km link.
>
>Daniel White
>Managing Director ­ Hardware Distribution Sales
>ConVergence Technologies
>Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>dwh...@converge-tech.com
>



Gino Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


[cid:image001.png@01D27705.9B00FA00]
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 9:36 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
>>
>> On 1/25/17 09:30, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>> > Thanks for pointing that out !
>> >
>> > So any thoughts on how to 'attenuate' the signal ?
>>
>>
>> I would guess waveguide and attenuators, but I don't have any personal
>> experience with a B11.
>>
>> ~Seth
>
>
>---
>This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>

[AFMUG] OT Contractor files $2 million lawsuit against Trump for unpaid bills | TheHill

[Jaime Solorza]

Classy guy

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/316098-contractor-files-2-million-against-trump-for-unpaid-bills?amp=1

Re: [AFMUG] customer suddenly can't browse but can stream using apps

[Mathew Howard]

This seems to me like a well thought out and reasonable approach to any
complaint.

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> All good advice.  Except I would not run over their dog.  (without
> specific provocation)
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 25, 2017 1:08 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] customer suddenly can't browse but can stream
> using apps
>
>
>
> hard coded dns servers in the apps probably
>
> they probably dicked in their router and touched the dhcp server because
> their nephew is a computer genius (who recommended a tp fucking link)
>
> or when dns fails, the apps are reverting to the cellular data
>
> either way tell the customer to get fucked, then just get mad and drive to
> their hose to just take your gear, be so fucking irritated by the time you
> get there you burn down their hous run over their dog and grabbem all by
> the pussy. Then get an AR-15 and start plucking off every adult you see.
> (its been a shitty day today, im living vicariously)
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 12:53 PM, Simon Westlake 
> wrote:
>
> The way it worked when I worked at TWC was that we'd send out a tech for
> free. If we can show it works fine on our laptop, you get billed. If it's
> something that's our problem and we have to fix, we'll do it for free. I
> always thought that was pretty fair, and deters the 'I don't care, just
> come and fix it' mentality.
>
>
>
> On 1/25/2017 12:49 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Customer says she watches Netflix app just fine on the same iPad that can't 
> browse websites.
>
>
>
> Oh, and as far as calling the router vendor, they typically say to bypass the 
> router and if you still have no Internet it's obviously an ISP problem.  (we 
> use PPPoE so this won't work)
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of 
> Jay Weekley
>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:23 PM
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] customer suddenly can't browse but can stream using apps
>
>
>
> They insisted on using their own router and you can verify your radio is 
> sending traffic through it to their Netflix box.  I would give them the 
> option of calling TPLink or sending someone out for an $80 charge if the tech 
> finds it's a problem they created.
>
>
>
> Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> I do not relish the thought of having a newbie run ping tests from an
>
> iPhone while talking on it.
>
>
>
> Also there’s a conversation that never seems to take place out loud:
>
>
>
> “I have a list of computer techs you could call to work on the problem.”
>
>
>
> “But I’d have to pay them!”
>
>
>
> I’d even be willing to pick up the cost of the service call if it is
>
> our problem, but the basic issue is customers expect anything they can
>
> talk their ISP into fixing will be free.  So do I call the guy I have
>
> to pay, or the free guy?
>
>
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On Behalf Of 
> *Simon Westlake
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:01 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] customer suddenly can't browse but can stream
>
> using apps
>
>
>
> My experience from doing tech support for residential users is that
>
> 'no websites will load' means 'I tried going to one website and it
>
> didn't work.' Or 'I opened my web browser, and there's a message I
>
> didn't bother to read, I just don't like it.'
>
>
>
> If it's anything related to her gear, I'd guess it must be the router
>
> - I can't imagine multiple devices all suddenly refusing to load
>
> websites. If it's any consolation, I can get to every website from my
>
> PC, phone and iPad ;)
>
>
>
> On 1/25/2017 11:48 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
>
>
> Just checking because I fear getting sucked down a rabbit hole of
>
> supporting things that are not our responsibility.
>
>
>
> �
>
>
>
> Customer as of about 1 month ago reports suddenly yesterday has
>
> �no Internet�, yet I see regular traffic graphs and she can
>
> stream Netflix fine using apps.� This is reverse of usual,
>
> streaming should be more challenging than just going to a website.
>
>
>
> �
>
>
>
> To make things worse, customer chose to buy own router and has a
>
> TP-Link, so I have no visibility into it.� Plus she has no
>
> actual computers, just iPhones and iPads and a Blu-Ray player.�
>
> Customer is not at all tech savvy (doesn�t understand that
>
> Netflix uses Internet), and seems to expect we will troubleshoot
>
> and fix anything Internet related because she (actually her
>
> parents) are paying us for �Internet�.� She reports the same
>
> symptoms on all devices.
>
>
>
> �
>
>
>
> Is there anything that�s happened in the past day (other than
>
> Trump related stuff) that I might be missing?� Like a TP-Link
>
> firmware upgrade, or something Apple pushed out to
>
>  

Re: [AFMUG] customer suddenly can't browse but can stream using apps

[Ken Hohhof]

All good advice.  Except I would not run over their dog.  (without specific 
provocation)

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 1:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] customer suddenly can't browse but can stream using apps

 

hard coded dns servers in the apps probably

they probably dicked in their router and touched the dhcp server because their 
nephew is a computer genius (who recommended a tp fucking link)

or when dns fails, the apps are reverting to the cellular data

either way tell the customer to get fucked, then just get mad and drive to 
their hose to just take your gear, be so fucking irritated by the time you get 
there you burn down their hous run over their dog and grabbem all by the pussy. 
Then get an AR-15 and start plucking off every adult you see. (its been a 
shitty day today, im living vicariously)

 

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 12:53 PM, Simon Westlake mailto:simon@sonar.software> > wrote:

The way it worked when I worked at TWC was that we'd send out a tech for free. 
If we can show it works fine on our laptop, you get billed. If it's something 
that's our problem and we have to fix, we'll do it for free. I always thought 
that was pretty fair, and deters the 'I don't care, just come and fix it' 
mentality.

 

On 1/25/2017 12:49 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Customer says she watches Netflix app just fine on the same iPad that can't 
browse websites.
 
Oh, and as far as calling the router vendor, they typically say to bypass the 
router and if you still have no Internet it's obviously an ISP problem.  (we 
use PPPoE so this won't work)
 
 
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] customer suddenly can't browse but can stream using apps
 
They insisted on using their own router and you can verify your radio is 
sending traffic through it to their Netflix box.  I would give them the option 
of calling TPLink or sending someone out for an $80 charge if the tech finds 
it's a problem they created.
 
Ken Hohhof wrote:

I do not relish the thought of having a newbie run ping tests from an 
iPhone while talking on it.
 
Also there’s a conversation that never seems to take place out loud:
 
“I have a list of computer techs you could call to work on the problem.”
 
“But I’d have to pay them!”
 
I’d even be willing to pick up the cost of the service call if it is 
our problem, but the basic issue is customers expect anything they can 
talk their ISP into fixing will be free.  So do I call the guy I have 
to pay, or the free guy?
 
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Simon Westlake
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:01 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com  
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] customer suddenly can't browse but can stream 
using apps
 
My experience from doing tech support for residential users is that 
'no websites will load' means 'I tried going to one website and it 
didn't work.' Or 'I opened my web browser, and there's a message I 
didn't bother to read, I just don't like it.'
 
If it's anything related to her gear, I'd guess it must be the router
- I can't imagine multiple devices all suddenly refusing to load 
websites. If it's any consolation, I can get to every website from my 
PC, phone and iPad ;)
 
On 1/25/2017 11:48 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
 
Just checking because I fear getting sucked down a rabbit hole of
supporting things that are not our responsibility.
 
�
 
Customer as of about 1 month ago reports suddenly yesterday has
�no Internet�, yet I see regular traffic graphs and she can
stream Netflix fine using apps.� This is reverse of usual,
streaming should be more challenging than just going to a website.
 
�
 
To make things worse, customer chose to buy own router and has a
TP-Link, so I have no visibility into it.� Plus she has no
actual computers, just iPhones and iPads and a Blu-Ray player.�
Customer is not at all tech savvy (doesn�t understand that
Netflix uses Internet), and seems to expect we will troubleshoot
and fix anything Internet related because she (actually her
parents) are paying us for �Internet�.� She reports the same
symptoms on all devices.
 
�
 
Is there anything that�s happened in the past day (other than
Trump related stuff) that I might be missing?� Like a TP-Link
firmware upgrade, or something Apple pushed out to
iPads/iPhones?� It just seems so strange that no websites at all
would load, but Netflix would stream just fine.� I�d love to
blame it on Trump�s media blackout but it�s a bit of a stretch
to connect those dots.
 
 
 
--
Simon Westlake
Email:simon@sonar.software    
 

Re: [AFMUG] 'splain me sumptin

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I feel better now. I always wondered this, but was afraid to ask, assumed
it was just something i should know, and my incompetence didnt need to be
shown

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 11:36 AM, Simon Westlake 
wrote:

> Assuming you have set top boxes and you are engaged in content delivery
> (which is not what I thought Chuck meant.) I assumed this was faceless
> provider X delivering to unrelated provider Y. If you are involved in the
> receipt and delivery of the service then, yeah, there's a ton of things you
> can do.
>
>
> On 1/25/2017 11:23 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> Live TV from content providers comes in via unicast. Then locally
> multicast to set tops. On demand and DVR is unicast.
>
> On Jan 25, 2017 11:19 AM, "Simon Westlake" 
>  wrote:
>
>> Yeah, there are a bunch of ways if you have cooperation. What I really
>> meant was if content provider X sets up some kind of online video
>> streaming, and WISP Y comes along and has a bunch of customers watching
>> content, it is almost certainly going to be a unicast stream to every
>> subscriber.
>>
>> On 1/25/2017 11:12 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>
>> Not always. I just heard about two cool methods the other day. One uses a
>> single input switch port and then port mirroring.
>>
>> Another method was actually outbound in-rack GPON and letting the
>> hardware layer itself do the replication to multiple local servers, then
>> from those outward to geographic distribution nodes.
>>
>> On Jan 25, 2017 11:09 AM, "Simon Westlake" 
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> Nope, it is all unicast! Big pipes.
>>>
>>> On 1/25/2017 11:03 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>
>>> I have never understood how you can set up a streaming server and
>>> deliver hundreds or thousands of streams without having our upstream BW be
>>> stream BW X # of streams.� Each stream has its own session, right?�
>>> �
>>> So with folks watching the coronation via CNN streaming, CNN cannot
>>> possibly have a pipe large enough to give each user its own BW.
>>> �
>>> I understand how simple this is with multicast, but I have always
>>> presumed that multicast does not traverse the public internet?� Hard
>>> enough to get it to work flawless internally with IPTV.�
>>> �
>>> There is probably some kind of UDP broadcast type of thing that I have
>>> just been unaware of.�
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Simon Westlake
>>> Email: simon@sonar.software
>>> Phone: (702) 447-1247
>>> ---
>>> Sonar Software Inc
>>> The future of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> Simon Westlake
>> Email: simon@sonar.software
>> Phone: (702) 447-1247
>> ---
>> Sonar Software Inc
>> The future of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>>
>>
> --
> Simon Westlake
> Email: simon@sonar.software
> Phone: (702) 447-1247
> ---
> Sonar Software Inc
> The future of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] customer suddenly can't browse but can stream using apps

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

hard coded dns servers in the apps probably
they probably dicked in their router and touched the dhcp server because
their nephew is a computer genius (who recommended a tp fucking link)
or when dns fails, the apps are reverting to the cellular data
either way tell the customer to get fucked, then just get mad and drive to
their hose to just take your gear, be so fucking irritated by the time you
get there you burn down their hous run over their dog and grabbem all by
the pussy. Then get an AR-15 and start plucking off every adult you see.
(its been a shitty day today, im living vicariously)

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 12:53 PM, Simon Westlake 
wrote:

> The way it worked when I worked at TWC was that we'd send out a tech for
> free. If we can show it works fine on our laptop, you get billed. If it's
> something that's our problem and we have to fix, we'll do it for free. I
> always thought that was pretty fair, and deters the 'I don't care, just
> come and fix it' mentality.
>
>
> On 1/25/2017 12:49 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Customer says she watches Netflix app just fine on the same iPad that can't 
> browse websites.
>
> Oh, and as far as calling the router vendor, they typically say to bypass the 
> router and if you still have no Internet it's obviously an ISP problem.  (we 
> use PPPoE so this won't work)
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of 
> Jay Weekley
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:23 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] customer suddenly can't browse but can stream using apps
>
> They insisted on using their own router and you can verify your radio is 
> sending traffic through it to their Netflix box.  I would give them the 
> option of calling TPLink or sending someone out for an $80 charge if the tech 
> finds it's a problem they created.
>
> Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> I do not relish the thought of having a newbie run ping tests from an
> iPhone while talking on it.
>
> Also there’s a conversation that never seems to take place out loud:
>
> “I have a list of computer techs you could call to work on the problem.”
>
> “But I’d have to pay them!”
>
> I’d even be willing to pick up the cost of the service call if it is
> our problem, but the basic issue is customers expect anything they can
> talk their ISP into fixing will be free.  So do I call the guy I have
> to pay, or the free guy?
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On Behalf Of 
> *Simon Westlake
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:01 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] customer suddenly can't browse but can stream
> using apps
>
> My experience from doing tech support for residential users is that
> 'no websites will load' means 'I tried going to one website and it
> didn't work.' Or 'I opened my web browser, and there's a message I
> didn't bother to read, I just don't like it.'
>
> If it's anything related to her gear, I'd guess it must be the router
> - I can't imagine multiple devices all suddenly refusing to load
> websites. If it's any consolation, I can get to every website from my
> PC, phone and iPad ;)
>
> On 1/25/2017 11:48 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Just checking because I fear getting sucked down a rabbit hole of
> supporting things that are not our responsibility.
>
> �
>
> Customer as of about 1 month ago reports suddenly yesterday has
> �no Internet�, yet I see regular traffic graphs and she can
> stream Netflix fine using apps.� This is reverse of usual,
> streaming should be more challenging than just going to a website.
>
> �
>
> To make things worse, customer chose to buy own router and has a
> TP-Link, so I have no visibility into it.� Plus she has no
> actual computers, just iPhones and iPads and a Blu-Ray player.�
> Customer is not at all tech savvy (doesn�t understand that
> Netflix uses Internet), and seems to expect we will troubleshoot
> and fix anything Internet related because she (actually her
> parents) are paying us for �Internet�.� She reports the same
> symptoms on all devices.
>
> �
>
> Is there anything that�s happened in the past day (other than
> Trump related stuff) that I might be missing?� Like a TP-Link
> firmware upgrade, or something Apple pushed out to
> iPads/iPhones?� It just seems so strange that no websites at all
> would load, but Netflix would stream just fine.� I�d love to
> blame it on Trump�s media blackout but it�s a bit of a stretch
> to connect those dots.
>
>
>
> --
> Simon WestlakeEmail:simon@sonar.software  
> 
> Phone: (702) 447-1247
> ---
> Sonar Software Inc
> The future of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com  
> 
> Version: 2016.0.7998 / Virus Database: 4749/138

Re: [AFMUG] customer suddenly can't browse but can stream using apps

[Simon Westlake]

The way it worked when I worked at TWC was that we'd send out a tech for 
free. If we can show it works fine on our laptop, you get billed. If 
it's something that's our problem and we have to fix, we'll do it for 
free. I always thought that was pretty fair, and deters the 'I don't 
care, just come and fix it' mentality.


On 1/25/2017 12:49 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Customer says she watches Netflix app just fine on the same iPad that can't 
browse websites.

Oh, and as far as calling the router vendor, they typically say to bypass the 
router and if you still have no Internet it's obviously an ISP problem.  (we 
use PPPoE so this won't work)


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] customer suddenly can't browse but can stream using apps

They insisted on using their own router and you can verify your radio is 
sending traffic through it to their Netflix box.  I would give them the option 
of calling TPLink or sending someone out for an $80 charge if the tech finds 
it's a problem they created.

Ken Hohhof wrote:

I do not relish the thought of having a newbie run ping tests from an
iPhone while talking on it.

Also there’s a conversation that never seems to take place out loud:

“I have a list of computer techs you could call to work on the problem.”

“But I’d have to pay them!”

I’d even be willing to pick up the cost of the service call if it is
our problem, but the basic issue is customers expect anything they can
talk their ISP into fixing will be free.  So do I call the guy I have
to pay, or the free guy?

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Simon Westlake
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:01 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] customer suddenly can't browse but can stream
using apps

My experience from doing tech support for residential users is that
'no websites will load' means 'I tried going to one website and it
didn't work.' Or 'I opened my web browser, and there's a message I
didn't bother to read, I just don't like it.'

If it's anything related to her gear, I'd guess it must be the router
- I can't imagine multiple devices all suddenly refusing to load
websites. If it's any consolation, I can get to every website from my
PC, phone and iPad ;)

On 1/25/2017 11:48 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

 Just checking because I fear getting sucked down a rabbit hole of
 supporting things that are not our responsibility.

 �

 Customer as of about 1 month ago reports suddenly yesterday has
 �no Internet�, yet I see regular traffic graphs and she can
 stream Netflix fine using apps.� This is reverse of usual,
 streaming should be more challenging than just going to a website.

 �

 To make things worse, customer chose to buy own router and has a
 TP-Link, so I have no visibility into it.� Plus she has no
 actual computers, just iPhones and iPads and a Blu-Ray player.�
 Customer is not at all tech savvy (doesn�t understand that
 Netflix uses Internet), and seems to expect we will troubleshoot
 and fix anything Internet related because she (actually her
 parents) are paying us for �Internet�.� She reports the same
 symptoms on all devices.

 �

 Is there anything that�s happened in the past day (other than
 Trump related stuff) that I might be missing?� Like a TP-Link
 firmware upgrade, or something Apple pushed out to
 iPads/iPhones?� It just seems so strange that no websites at all
 would load, but Netflix would stream just fine.� I�d love to
 blame it on Trump�s media blackout but it�s a bit of a stretch
 to connect those dots.



--
Simon Westlake
Email:simon@sonar.software 
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
Version: 2016.0.7998 / Virus Database: 4749/13834 - Release Date:
01/25/17






--
Simon Westlake
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

[Gino Villarini]

Ouch, I’ve been slapped! Lol!

Thanks Tim for reminding us stuff we forget with age

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Tim 
Hardy mailto:tha...@comsearch.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 at 2:46 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

“Or mis-align your B11 link”

Strictly illegal!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 1:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

AF24Š

Or mis-align your B11 link

On 1/25/17, 2:36 PM, "Af on behalf of Daniel White" 
mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>



Gino Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


[cid:image001.png@01D27711.655CB6D0]
on behalf of afmu...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Not with a B11.
>
>If the equipment is at the minimum TX power and that high of a SNR is
>going to cause problems... then it¹s the wrong gear for that path.
>
>Siklu or SIAE 80GHz would be my first bet for a 2.2km link.
>
>Daniel White
>Managing Director ­ Hardware Distribution Sales
>ConVergence Technologies
>Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>dwh...@converge-tech.com
>



Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 9:36 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
>>
>> On 1/25/17 09:30, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>> > Thanks for pointing that out !
>> >
>> > So any thoughts on how to 'attenuate' the signal ?
>>
>>
>> I would guess waveguide and attenuators, but I don't have any personal
>> experience with a B11.
>>
>> ~Seth
>
>
>---
>This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>

Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

[Chuck McCown]

Hey, we have “alternative legalities” here

From: Hardy, Tim 
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 11:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

“Or mis-align your B11 link”

 

Strictly illegal!

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 1:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

 

AF24Š

Or mis-align your B11 link

On 1/25/17, 2:36 PM, "Af on behalf of Daniel White"  wrote:

>Not with a B11.
>
>If the equipment is at the minimum TX power and that high of a SNR is
>going to cause problems... then it¹s the wrong gear for that path.
>
>Siklu or SIAE 80GHz would be my first bet for a 2.2km link.
>
>Daniel White
>Managing Director ­ Hardware Distribution Sales
>ConVergence Technologies
>Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>dwh...@converge-tech.com
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 9:36 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
>>
>> On 1/25/17 09:30, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>> > Thanks for pointing that out !
>> >
>> > So any thoughts on how to 'attenuate' the signal ?
>>
>>
>> I would guess waveguide and attenuators, but I don't have any personal
>> experience with a B11.
>>
>> ~Seth
>
>
>---
>This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>

Re: [AFMUG] customer suddenly can't browse but can stream using apps

[Ken Hohhof]

Customer says she watches Netflix app just fine on the same iPad that can't 
browse websites.

Oh, and as far as calling the router vendor, they typically say to bypass the 
router and if you still have no Internet it's obviously an ISP problem.  (we 
use PPPoE so this won't work)


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] customer suddenly can't browse but can stream using apps

They insisted on using their own router and you can verify your radio is 
sending traffic through it to their Netflix box.  I would give them the option 
of calling TPLink or sending someone out for an $80 charge if the tech finds 
it's a problem they created.

Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> I do not relish the thought of having a newbie run ping tests from an 
> iPhone while talking on it.
>
> Also there’s a conversation that never seems to take place out loud:
>
> “I have a list of computer techs you could call to work on the problem.”
>
> “But I’d have to pay them!”
>
> I’d even be willing to pick up the cost of the service call if it is 
> our problem, but the basic issue is customers expect anything they can 
> talk their ISP into fixing will be free.  So do I call the guy I have 
> to pay, or the free guy?
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Simon Westlake
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:01 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] customer suddenly can't browse but can stream 
> using apps
>
> My experience from doing tech support for residential users is that 
> 'no websites will load' means 'I tried going to one website and it 
> didn't work.' Or 'I opened my web browser, and there's a message I 
> didn't bother to read, I just don't like it.'
>
> If it's anything related to her gear, I'd guess it must be the router
> - I can't imagine multiple devices all suddenly refusing to load 
> websites. If it's any consolation, I can get to every website from my 
> PC, phone and iPad ;)
>
> On 1/25/2017 11:48 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Just checking because I fear getting sucked down a rabbit hole of
> supporting things that are not our responsibility.
>
> �
>
> Customer as of about 1 month ago reports suddenly yesterday has
> �no Internet�, yet I see regular traffic graphs and she can
> stream Netflix fine using apps.� This is reverse of usual,
> streaming should be more challenging than just going to a website.
>
> �
>
> To make things worse, customer chose to buy own router and has a
> TP-Link, so I have no visibility into it.� Plus she has no
> actual computers, just iPhones and iPads and a Blu-Ray player.�
> Customer is not at all tech savvy (doesn�t understand that
> Netflix uses Internet), and seems to expect we will troubleshoot
> and fix anything Internet related because she (actually her
> parents) are paying us for �Internet�.� She reports the same
> symptoms on all devices.
>
> �
>
> Is there anything that�s happened in the past day (other than
> Trump related stuff) that I might be missing?� Like a TP-Link
> firmware upgrade, or something Apple pushed out to
> iPads/iPhones?� It just seems so strange that no websites at all
> would load, but Netflix would stream just fine.� I�d love to
> blame it on Trump�s media blackout but it�s a bit of a stretch
> to connect those dots.
>
>
>
> --
> Simon Westlake
> Email:simon@sonar.software 
> Phone: (702) 447-1247
> ---
> Sonar Software Inc
> The future of ISP billing and OSS
> https://sonar.software
>
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
> Version: 2016.0.7998 / Virus Database: 4749/13834 - Release Date: 
> 01/25/17
>

Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

[Hardy, Tim]

“Or mis-align your B11 link”

Strictly illegal!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 1:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

AF24Š

Or mis-align your B11 link

On 1/25/17, 2:36 PM, "Af on behalf of Daniel White" mailto:afmu...@gmail.com>> wrote:

>Not with a B11.
>
>If the equipment is at the minimum TX power and that high of a SNR is
>going to cause problems... then it¹s the wrong gear for that path.
>
>Siklu or SIAE 80GHz would be my first bet for a 2.2km link.
>
>Daniel White
>Managing Director ­ Hardware Distribution Sales
>ConVergence Technologies
>Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>dwh...@converge-tech.com
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 9:36 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
>>
>> On 1/25/17 09:30, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>> > Thanks for pointing that out !
>> >
>> > So any thoughts on how to 'attenuate' the signal ?
>>
>>
>> I would guess waveguide and attenuators, but I don't have any personal
>> experience with a B11.
>>
>> ~Seth
>
>
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[AFMUG] Vubiq Contact

[Gino Villarini]

Anyone has a sales contact?



Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

[Gino Villarini]

AF24Š

Or mis-align your B11 link

On 1/25/17, 2:36 PM, "Af on behalf of Daniel White"  wrote:

>Not with a B11.
>
>If the equipment is at the minimum TX power and that high of a SNR is
>going to cause problems... then it¹s the wrong gear for that path.
>
>Siklu or SIAE 80GHz would be my first bet for a 2.2km link.
>
>Daniel White
>Managing Director ­ Hardware Distribution Sales
>ConVergence Technologies
>Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>dwh...@converge-tech.com
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 9:36 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
>>
>> On 1/25/17 09:30, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>> > Thanks for pointing that out !
>> >
>> > So any thoughts on how to 'attenuate' the signal ?
>>
>>
>> I would guess waveguide and attenuators, but I don't have any personal
>> experience with a B11.
>>
>> ~Seth
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

[Daniel White]

Not with a B11.

If the equipment is at the minimum TX power and that high of a SNR is going to 
cause problems... then it’s the wrong gear for that path.

Siklu or SIAE 80GHz would be my first bet for a 2.2km link.

Daniel White
Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
ConVergence Technologies
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
dwh...@converge-tech.com

> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 9:36 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
>
> On 1/25/17 09:30, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
> > Thanks for pointing that out !
> >
> > So any thoughts on how to 'attenuate' the signal ?
>
>
> I would guess waveguide and attenuators, but I don't have any personal
> experience with a B11.
>
> ~Seth


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Re: [AFMUG] customer suddenly can't browse but can stream using apps

[Jay Weekley]

They insisted on using their own router and you can verify your radio is 
sending traffic through it to their Netflix box.  I would give them the 
option of calling TPLink or sending someone out for an $80 charge if the 
tech finds it's a problem they created.


Ken Hohhof wrote:


I do not relish the thought of having a newbie run ping tests from an 
iPhone while talking on it.


Also there’s a conversation that never seems to take place out loud:

“I have a list of computer techs you could call to work on the problem.”

“But I’d have to pay them!”

I’d even be willing to pick up the cost of the service call if it is 
our problem, but the basic issue is customers expect anything they can 
talk their ISP into fixing will be free.  So do I call the guy I have 
to pay, or the free guy?


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Simon Westlake
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:01 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] customer suddenly can't browse but can stream 
using apps


My experience from doing tech support for residential users is that 
'no websites will load' means 'I tried going to one website and it 
didn't work.' Or 'I opened my web browser, and there's a message I 
didn't bother to read, I just don't like it.'


If it's anything related to her gear, I'd guess it must be the router 
- I can't imagine multiple devices all suddenly refusing to load 
websites. If it's any consolation, I can get to every website from my 
PC, phone and iPad ;)


On 1/25/2017 11:48 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Just checking because I fear getting sucked down a rabbit hole of
supporting things that are not our responsibility.

�

Customer as of about 1 month ago reports suddenly yesterday has
�no Internet�, yet I see regular traffic graphs and she can
stream Netflix fine using apps.� This is reverse of usual,
streaming should be more challenging than just going to a website.

�

To make things worse, customer chose to buy own router and has a
TP-Link, so I have no visibility into it.� Plus she has no
actual computers, just iPhones and iPads and a Blu-Ray player.�
Customer is not at all tech savvy (doesn�t understand that
Netflix uses Internet), and seems to expect we will troubleshoot
and fix anything Internet related because she (actually her
parents) are paying us for �Internet�.� She reports the same
symptoms on all devices.

�

Is there anything that�s happened in the past day (other than
Trump related stuff) that I might be missing?� Like a TP-Link
firmware upgrade, or something Apple pushed out to
iPads/iPhones?� It just seems so strange that no websites at all
would load, but Netflix would stream just fine.� I�d love to
blame it on Trump�s media blackout but it�s a bit of a stretch
to connect those dots.



--
Simon Westlake
Email:simon@sonar.software 
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
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The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

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Re: [AFMUG] customer suddenly can't browse but can stream using apps

[Ken Hohhof]

I do not relish the thought of having a newbie run ping tests from an iPhone
while talking on it.

 

Also there’s a conversation that never seems to take place out loud:

 

“I have a list of computer techs you could call to work on the problem.”

 

“But I’d have to pay them!”

 

I’d even be willing to pick up the cost of the service call if it is our
problem, but the basic issue is customers expect anything they can talk
their ISP into fixing will be free.  So do I call the guy I have to pay, or
the free guy?

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Simon Westlake
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] customer suddenly can't browse but can stream using
apps

 

My experience from doing tech support for residential users is that 'no
websites will load' means 'I tried going to one website and it didn't work.'
Or 'I opened my web browser, and there's a message I didn't bother to read,
I just don't like it.'

If it's anything related to her gear, I'd guess it must be the router - I
can't imagine multiple devices all suddenly refusing to load websites. If
it's any consolation, I can get to every website from my PC, phone and iPad
;)

On 1/25/2017 11:48 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Just checking because I fear getting sucked down a rabbit hole of supporting
things that are not our responsibility.

�

Customer as of about 1 month ago reports suddenly yesterday has �no
Internet�, yet I see regular traffic graphs and she can stream Netflix
fine using apps.� This is reverse of usual, streaming should be more
challenging than just going to a website.

�

To make things worse, customer chose to buy own router and has a TP-Link, so
I have no visibility into it.� Plus she has no actual computers, just
iPhones and iPads and a Blu-Ray player.� Customer is not at all tech savvy
(doesn�t understand that Netflix uses Internet), and seems to expect we
will troubleshoot and fix anything Internet related because she (actually
her parents) are paying us for �Internet�.� She reports the same
symptoms on all devices.

�

Is there anything that�s happened in the past day (other than Trump
related stuff) that I might be missing?� Like a TP-Link firmware upgrade,
or something Apple pushed out to iPads/iPhones?� It just seems so strange
that no websites at all would load, but Netflix would stream just fine.�
I�d love to blame it on Trump�s media blackout but it�s a bit of a
stretch to connect those dots.





-- 
Simon Westlake
Email: simon@sonar.software  
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] customer suddenly can't browse but can stream using apps

[Simon Westlake]

My experience from doing tech support for residential users is that 'no 
websites will load' means 'I tried going to one website and it didn't 
work.' Or 'I opened my web browser, and there's a message I didn't 
bother to read, I just don't like it.'


If it's anything related to her gear, I'd guess it must be the router - 
I can't imagine multiple devices all suddenly refusing to load websites. 
If it's any consolation, I can get to every website from my PC, phone 
and iPad ;)


On 1/25/2017 11:48 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Just checking because I fear getting sucked down a rabbit hole of 
supporting things that are not our responsibility.


Customer as of about 1 month ago reports suddenly yesterday has �no 
Internet�, yet I see regular traffic graphs and she can stream Netflix 
fine using apps. This is reverse of usual, streaming should be more 
challenging than just going to a website.


To make things worse, customer chose to buy own router and has a 
TP-Link, so I have no visibility into it.  Plus she has no actual 
computers, just iPhones and iPads and a Blu-Ray player.  Customer is 
not at all tech savvy (doesn�t understand that Netflix uses Internet), 
and seems to expect we will troubleshoot and fix anything Internet 
related because she (actually her parents) are paying us for 
�Internet�.  She reports the same symptoms on all devices.


Is there anything that�s happened in the past day (other than Trump 
related stuff) that I might be missing?  Like a TP-Link firmware 
upgrade, or something Apple pushed out to iPads/iPhones?  It just 
seems so strange that no websites at all would load, but Netflix would 
stream just fine.  I�d love to blame it on Trump�s media blackout but 
it�s a bit of a stretch to connect those dots.




--
Simon Westlake
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

[AFMUG] customer suddenly can't browse but can stream using apps

[Ken Hohhof]

Just checking because I fear getting sucked down a rabbit hole of supporting
things that are not our responsibility.

 

Customer as of about 1 month ago reports suddenly yesterday has "no
Internet", yet I see regular traffic graphs and she can stream Netflix fine
using apps.  This is reverse of usual, streaming should be more challenging
than just going to a website.

 

To make things worse, customer chose to buy own router and has a TP-Link, so
I have no visibility into it.  Plus she has no actual computers, just
iPhones and iPads and a Blu-Ray player.  Customer is not at all tech savvy
(doesn't understand that Netflix uses Internet), and seems to expect we will
troubleshoot and fix anything Internet related because she (actually her
parents) are paying us for "Internet".  She reports the same symptoms on all
devices.

 

Is there anything that's happened in the past day (other than Trump related
stuff) that I might be missing?  Like a TP-Link firmware upgrade, or
something Apple pushed out to iPads/iPhones?  It just seems so strange that
no websites at all would load, but Netflix would stream just fine.  I'd love
to blame it on Trump's media blackout but it's a bit of a stretch to connect
those dots.

Re: [AFMUG] 'splain me sumptin

[Simon Westlake]

Assuming you have set top boxes and you are engaged in content delivery 
(which is not what I thought Chuck meant.) I assumed this was faceless 
provider X delivering to unrelated provider Y. If you are involved in 
the receipt and delivery of the service then, yeah, there's a ton of 
things you can do.


On 1/25/2017 11:23 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
Live TV from content providers comes in via unicast. Then locally 
multicast to set tops. On demand and DVR is unicast.


On Jan 25, 2017 11:19 AM, "Simon Westlake"  wrote:

Yeah, there are a bunch of ways if you have cooperation. What I
really meant was if content provider X sets up some kind of online
video streaming, and WISP Y comes along and has a bunch of
customers watching content, it is almost certainly going to be a
unicast stream to every subscriber.

On 1/25/2017 11:12 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

Not always. I just heard about two cool methods the other day.
One uses a single input switch port and then port mirroring.

Another method was actually outbound in-rack GPON and letting the
hardware layer itself do the replication to multiple local
servers, then from those outward to geographic distribution nodes.

On Jan 25, 2017 11:09 AM, "Simon Westlake" 
 wrote:

Nope, it is all unicast! Big pipes.

On 1/25/2017 11:03 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I have never understood how you can set up a streaming
server and deliver hundreds or thousands of streams without
having our upstream BW be stream BW X # of streams.� Each
stream has its own session, right?�
�
So with folks watching the coronation via CNN streaming, CNN
cannot possibly have a pipe large enough to give each user
its own BW.
�
I understand how simple this is with multicast, but I have
always presumed that multicast does not traverse the public
internet?� Hard enough to get it to work flawless
internally with IPTV.�
�
There is probably some kind of UDP broadcast type of thing
that I have just been unaware of.�


-- 
Simon Westlake

Email:simon@sonar.software 
Phone:(702) 447-1247 
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software



-- 
Simon Westlake

Email:simon@sonar.software 
Phone:(702) 447-1247 
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software



--
Simon Westlake
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

[Seth Mattinen]

On 1/25/17 09:30, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

Thanks for pointing that out !

So any thoughts on how to 'attenuate' the signal ?



I would guess waveguide and attenuators, but I don't have any personal 
experience with a B11.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Thanks for pointing that out !

So any thoughts on how to 'attenuate' the signal ?

Other than standing in front of the dish !   LOL !

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Seth Mattinen" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:16:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

> On 1/25/17 08:42, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>> Wow... that is a short link for 11ghz..
>> what size dishes are you using ? 2ft or 1ft ?   please tell me 1ft...
> 
> 
> 1' is not allowed at 11GHz. FCC aategory A in 11GHz normally requires a
> 3' or larger, although someone probably makes an expensive ETSI class 4
> 2'-ish antenna.
> 
> ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Thanks for pointing that out.. I did not know.. never had the need to pay 
attention to it... for some reason always thought of using 11Ghz for LD 
links... 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Hardy, Tim" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:11:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

> 2’ is the minimum allowable antenna size at 11 GHz.

> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 11:42 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

> Wow... that is a short link for 11ghz..

> what size dishes are you using ? 2ft or 1ft ? please tell me 1ft...

> Are your B11's reporting to the Cloud ? there are more stats which get exposed
> on the Mimosa Cloud App.

> I was seeing some strange performance issues.. sort of similar to yours.. (you
> can see details from my post in the Mimosa Community Forms).

> Someone pointed out that B11's like to have SNR between 32-35, when it is 
> lower
> or higher they have modulations issues..

> My performance improved after we turned the power down.. my link was a bit
> longer.. 3.9 miles (6.3km) with 2ft dishes, ...

> and yes, they do not go below 10dBm on tx power...

> maybe some sort of a material on the radome to reduce energy ?

> Regards.

> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>> From: "Chris Wright" < ch...@velociter.net >
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 11:21:12 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
>> Power is already at the minimum (10dBm) on both sides. 2.2km link.

>> Chris Wright

>> Network Administrator

>> From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 9:56 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

>> > SNR 41, 42, 41, 41

>> Turn down your power, and bring the SNR in the 30-35 range...

>> it will improve thruput and allow for the higher modulation.

>> Regards.

>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>>> From: "Chris Wright" < ch...@velociter.net >
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:41:37 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
>>> Firmware 1.4.4

>>> SNR 41, 42, 41, 41

>>> Flow Control had no effect so it remains disabled for now.

>>> Sent via mobile phone.

>>> On Jan 24, 2017, at 9:05 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net > 
>>> wrote:

 What version for firmware is on the radio ?

 and What your SNR on the two chains (both directions, i.e. 4 readings).

 I can tell you that we do not see the behavior you are describing below...

 But I can also tell you that we had to do some 'tuning' on settings 
 including
 flow control ..

 our B11's plug into netonix Switches

 Regards.

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet & Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, FL 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

> From: "Chris Wright" < ch...@velociter.net >
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 8:02:58 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
> According to Mimosa, I should be telling my customers that if they’re 
> using the
> most popular metric in the world for testing internet speeds, they’re 
> doing it
> wrong (I concede that while this may be technically correct, my customers 
> – and
> yours too – don’t do technically correct very well.”

> When TDMA is set to 75/25, 8ms window, MAC Tx/Rx is 980/290. This gives 
> me as
> much Tx bandwidth as I require for peak times, but no one client IP can
> download more than 20mbps of TCP traffic (from my speedtest.net at the 
> edge,
> nor anyone else’s beyond my edge).

> When TDMA is Auto, MAC Tx/Rx is 780/780 (lower Tx, which is undesirable 
> as it’s
> 100mbps shy of what I need during peak hours), but TCP throughput per 
> client is
> greatly increased (150+mbps).

> So I’m in a pickle. Either my scrupulous customers can get those coveted
> speedtest.net results they love seeing as they run them every thirty 
> seconds
> ad-nauseum at the cost of overall Tx capacity of the link. Or I give 
> myself
> some headroom in link capacity but the fastest speeds my 100mbps clients 
> can
> see is 20mbps.

> What’s even stranger is that client upload seems unaffected. I can upload
> 150+mbps from my test on the link no matter what TDMA is configured. I 
> hit up
> Mimo

Re: [AFMUG] testy

[George Skorup]

Skyking, skyking.. do not answer.

On 1/25/2017 11:23 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

This is dark net
*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 25, 2017 10:23 AM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] testy
I thought a media black out was ordered by the Fuhrer?
On Jan 25, 2017 9:51 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
 wrote:


complete and total shutdown of afmug until we can all be extremely
vetted to ensure we arent Rise plants
On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:

That's what she said
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 11:47 AM, George Skorup
 wrote:

Is this thing on?



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see

your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of
the team.

Re: [AFMUG] testy

[Chuck McCown]

This is dark net

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 10:23 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testy

I thought a media black out was ordered by the Fuhrer? 

On Jan 25, 2017 9:51 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"  
wrote:

  complete and total shutdown of afmug until we can all be extremely vetted to 
ensure we arent Rise plants

  On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

That's what she said


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 11:47 AM, George Skorup  
wrote:

  Is this thing on?






  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] 'splain me sumptin

[Josh Reynolds]

Live TV from content providers comes in via unicast. Then locally multicast
to set tops. On demand and DVR is unicast.

On Jan 25, 2017 11:19 AM, "Simon Westlake"  wrote:

> Yeah, there are a bunch of ways if you have cooperation. What I really
> meant was if content provider X sets up some kind of online video
> streaming, and WISP Y comes along and has a bunch of customers watching
> content, it is almost certainly going to be a unicast stream to every
> subscriber.
>
> On 1/25/2017 11:12 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> Not always. I just heard about two cool methods the other day. One uses a
> single input switch port and then port mirroring.
>
> Another method was actually outbound in-rack GPON and letting the hardware
> layer itself do the replication to multiple local servers, then from those
> outward to geographic distribution nodes.
>
> On Jan 25, 2017 11:09 AM, "Simon Westlake" 
>  wrote:
>
>> Nope, it is all unicast! Big pipes.
>>
>> On 1/25/2017 11:03 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> I have never understood how you can set up a streaming server and deliver
>> hundreds or thousands of streams without having our upstream BW be stream
>> BW X # of streams.� Each stream has its own session, right?�
>> �
>> So with folks watching the coronation via CNN streaming, CNN cannot
>> possibly have a pipe large enough to give each user its own BW.
>> �
>> I understand how simple this is with multicast, but I have always
>> presumed that multicast does not traverse the public internet?� Hard
>> enough to get it to work flawless internally with IPTV.�
>> �
>> There is probably some kind of UDP broadcast type of thing that I have
>> just been unaware of.�
>>
>>
>> --
>> Simon Westlake
>> Email: simon@sonar.software
>> Phone: (702) 447-1247
>> ---
>> Sonar Software Inc
>> The future of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>>
>>
> --
> Simon Westlake
> Email: simon@sonar.software
> Phone: (702) 447-1247
> ---
> Sonar Software Inc
> The future of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] testy

[Jaime Solorza]

I thought a media black out was ordered by the Fuhrer?

On Jan 25, 2017 9:51 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> complete and total shutdown of afmug until we can all be extremely vetted
> to ensure we arent Rise plants
>
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> That's what she said
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 11:47 AM, George Skorup > > wrote:
>>
>>> Is this thing on?
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] 'splain me sumptin

[Simon Westlake]

Stuff like this is why Procera/Sandvine/etc is getting so popular.

On 1/25/2017 11:19 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Wow
*From:* Simon Westlake
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 25, 2017 10:09 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 'splain me sumptin
Nope, it is all unicast! Big pipes.

On 1/25/2017 11:03 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I have never understood how you can set up a streaming server and 
deliver hundreds or thousands of streams without having our upstream 
BW be stream BW X # of streams.� Each stream has its own session, 
right?�

�
So with folks watching the coronation via CNN streaming, CNN cannot 
possibly have a pipe large enough to give each user its own BW.

�
I understand how simple this is with multicast, but I have always 
presumed that multicast does not traverse the public internet?� 
Hard enough to get it to work flawless internally with IPTV.�

�
There is probably some kind of UDP broadcast type of thing that I 
have just been unaware of.�


--
Simon Westlake
Email:simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software


--
Simon Westlake
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] 'splain me sumptin

[Seth Mattinen]

On 1/25/17 09:03, Chuck McCown wrote:

I have never understood how you can set up a streaming server and
deliver hundreds or thousands of streams without having our upstream BW
be stream BW X # of streams.  Each stream has its own session, right?

So with folks watching the coronation via CNN streaming, CNN cannot
possibly have a pipe large enough to give each user its own BW.

I understand how simple this is with multicast, but I have always
presumed that multicast does not traverse the public internet?  Hard
enough to get it to work flawless internally with IPTV.

There is probably some kind of UDP broadcast type of thing that I have
just been unaware of.



No multicast. Big pipes and/or CDN.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] 'splain me sumptin

[Simon Westlake]

Yeah, there are a bunch of ways if you have cooperation. What I really 
meant was if content provider X sets up some kind of online video 
streaming, and WISP Y comes along and has a bunch of customers watching 
content, it is almost certainly going to be a unicast stream to every 
subscriber.


On 1/25/2017 11:12 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
Not always. I just heard about two cool methods the other day. One 
uses a single input switch port and then port mirroring.


Another method was actually outbound in-rack GPON and letting the 
hardware layer itself do the replication to multiple local servers, 
then from those outward to geographic distribution nodes.


On Jan 25, 2017 11:09 AM, "Simon Westlake"  wrote:

Nope, it is all unicast! Big pipes.

On 1/25/2017 11:03 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I have never understood how you can set up a streaming server and
deliver hundreds or thousands of streams without having our
upstream BW be stream BW X # of streams.� Each stream has its
own session, right?�
�
So with folks watching the coronation via CNN streaming, CNN
cannot possibly have a pipe large enough to give each user its
own BW.
�
I understand how simple this is with multicast, but I have always
presumed that multicast does not traverse the public internet?�
Hard enough to get it to work flawless internally with IPTV.�
�
There is probably some kind of UDP broadcast type of thing that I
have just been unaware of.�


-- 
Simon Westlake

Email:simon@sonar.software 
Phone:(702) 447-1247 
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software



--
Simon Westlake
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] 'splain me sumptin

[Chuck McCown]

Wow

From: Simon Westlake 
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 10:09 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 'splain me sumptin

Nope, it is all unicast! Big pipes.


On 1/25/2017 11:03 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  I have never understood how you can set up a streaming server and deliver 
hundreds or thousands of streams without having our upstream BW be stream BW X 
# of streams.� Each stream has its own session, right?� 
  �
  So with folks watching the coronation via CNN streaming, CNN cannot possibly 
have a pipe large enough to give each user its own BW.
  �
  I understand how simple this is with multicast, but I have always presumed 
that multicast does not traverse the public internet?� Hard enough to get it 
to work flawless internally with IPTV.� 
  �
  There is probably some kind of UDP broadcast type of thing that I have just 
been unaware of.� 


-- 
Simon Westlake
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

[Seth Mattinen]

On 1/25/17 08:42, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

Wow... that is a short link for 11ghz..
what size dishes are you using ? 2ft or 1ft ?   please tell me 1ft...



1' is not allowed at 11GHz. FCC aategory A in 11GHz normally requires a 
3' or larger, although someone probably makes an expensive ETSI class 4 
2'-ish antenna.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] 'splain me sumptin

[Josh Reynolds]

Not always. I just heard about two cool methods the other day. One uses a
single input switch port and then port mirroring.

Another method was actually outbound in-rack GPON and letting the hardware
layer itself do the replication to multiple local servers, then from those
outward to geographic distribution nodes.

On Jan 25, 2017 11:09 AM, "Simon Westlake"  wrote:

> Nope, it is all unicast! Big pipes.
>
> On 1/25/2017 11:03 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> I have never understood how you can set up a streaming server and deliver
> hundreds or thousands of streams without having our upstream BW be stream
> BW X # of streams.� Each stream has its own session, right?�
> �
> So with folks watching the coronation via CNN streaming, CNN cannot
> possibly have a pipe large enough to give each user its own BW.
> �
> I understand how simple this is with multicast, but I have always presumed
> that multicast does not traverse the public internet?� Hard enough to get
> it to work flawless internally with IPTV.�
> �
> There is probably some kind of UDP broadcast type of thing that I have
> just been unaware of.�
>
>
> --
> Simon Westlake
> Email: simon@sonar.software
> Phone: (702) 447-1247
> ---
> Sonar Software Inc
> The future of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

[Hardy, Tim]

2’ is the minimum allowable antenna size at 11 GHz.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 11:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

Wow... that is a short link for 11ghz..
what size dishes are you using ? 2ft or 1ft ?   please tell me 1ft...

Are your B11's reporting to the Cloud ? there are more stats which get exposed 
on the Mimosa Cloud App.

I was seeing some strange performance issues.. sort of similar to yours.. (you 
can see details from my post in the Mimosa Community Forms).

Someone pointed out that B11's like to have SNR between 32-35, when it is lower 
or higher they have modulations issues..
My performance improved after we turned the power down.. my link was a bit 
longer.. 3.9 miles (6.3km) with 2ft dishes, ...

and yes, they do not go below 10dBm on tx power...

maybe some sort of a material on the radome to reduce energy ?

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "Chris Wright" mailto:ch...@velociter.net>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 11:21:12 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
Power is already at the minimum (10dBm) on both sides. 2.2km link.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 9:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

>SNR 41, 42, 41, 41

Turn down your power, and bring the SNR in the 30-35 range...
it will improve thruput and allow for the higher modulation.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "Chris Wright" mailto:ch...@velociter.net>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:41:37 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
Firmware 1.4.4
SNR 41, 42, 41, 41
Flow Control had no effect so it remains disabled for now.
Sent via mobile phone.

On Jan 24, 2017, at 9:05 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>> wrote:
What version for firmware is on the radio ?

and   What your SNR on the two chains (both directions, i.e. 4 readings).

I can tell you that we do not see the behavior you are describing below...
But I can also tell you that we had to do some 'tuning' on settings including 
flow control ..
our B11's plug into netonix Switches

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "Chris Wright" mailto:ch...@velociter.net>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 8:02:58 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
According to Mimosa, I should be telling my customers that if they’re using the 
most popular metric in the world for testing internet speeds, they’re doing it 
wrong (I concede that while this may be technically correct, my customers – and 
yours too – don’t do technically correct very well.”

When TDMA is set to 75/25, 8ms window, MAC Tx/Rx is 980/290. This gives me as 
much Tx bandwidth as I require for peak times, but no one client IP can 
download more than 20mbps of TCP traffic (from my 
speedtest.net at the edge, nor anyone else’s beyond my 
edge).

When TDMA is Auto, MAC Tx/Rx is 780/780 (lower Tx, which is undesirable as it’s 
100mbps shy of what I need during peak hours), but TCP throughput per client is 
greatly increased (150+mbps).

So I’m in a pickle. Either my scrupulous customers can get those coveted 
speedtest.net results they love seeing as they run them 
every thirty seconds ad-nauseum at the cost of overall Tx capacity of the link. 
Or I give myself some headroom in link capacity but the fastest speeds my 
100mbps clients can see is 20mbps.

What’s even stranger is that client upload seems unaffected. I can upload 
150+mbps from my test on the link no matter what TDMA is configured. I hit up 
Mimosa’s chat support was as chipper as they were unyielding in their idea that 
I should test in a way that caters to the B11’s shortcomings. I’ve been a 
Mimosa fanboy for a while now but boy am I feeling burned right now.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

Re: [AFMUG] 'splain me sumptin

[Rob Genovesi]

No body was streaming because everyone was THERE

otherwise I assume they would use a CDN service







On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 9:03 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> I have never understood how you can set up a streaming server and deliver
> hundreds or thousands of streams without having our upstream BW be stream BW
> X # of streams.  Each stream has its own session, right?
>
> So with folks watching the coronation via CNN streaming, CNN cannot possibly
> have a pipe large enough to give each user its own BW.
>
> I understand how simple this is with multicast, but I have always presumed
> that multicast does not traverse the public internet?  Hard enough to get it
> to work flawless internally with IPTV.
>
> There is probably some kind of UDP broadcast type of thing that I have just
> been unaware of.

Re: [AFMUG] 'splain me sumptin

[Josh Reynolds]

1 stream to X number of servers. X servers unicast or multicast to
geographic/Local servers. Multicast or unicast from those local servers out
to the endpoints.

On Jan 25, 2017 11:03 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> I have never understood how you can set up a streaming server and deliver
> hundreds or thousands of streams without having our upstream BW be stream
> BW X # of streams.  Each stream has its own session, right?
>
> So with folks watching the coronation via CNN streaming, CNN cannot
> possibly have a pipe large enough to give each user its own BW.
>
> I understand how simple this is with multicast, but I have always presumed
> that multicast does not traverse the public internet?  Hard enough to get
> it to work flawless internally with IPTV.
>
> There is probably some kind of UDP broadcast type of thing that I have
> just been unaware of.
>

Re: [AFMUG] 'splain me sumptin

[Simon Westlake]

Nope, it is all unicast! Big pipes.

On 1/25/2017 11:03 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I have never understood how you can set up a streaming server and 
deliver hundreds or thousands of streams without having our upstream 
BW be stream BW X # of streams.  Each stream has its own session, right?
So with folks watching the coronation via CNN streaming, CNN cannot 
possibly have a pipe large enough to give each user its own BW.
I understand how simple this is with multicast, but I have always 
presumed that multicast does not traverse the public internet?  Hard 
enough to get it to work flawless internally with IPTV.
There is probably some kind of UDP broadcast type of thing that I have 
just been unaware of.


--
Simon Westlake
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest server results

[Josh Luthman]

Average includes...

1/15/2016 18:56:03 GMT Troy, OH 2 4014 *65535*
3/1/2016 23:09:45 GMT Troy, OH 21156 428 *5126*
1/24/2016 18:47:41 GMT Troy, OH 51 18 *3622*


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 11:58 AM, Josh Reynolds 
wrote:

> 100ms latency. That's terrible routing or more likely shitty buffer bloat.
>
> On Jan 25, 2017 10:56 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
>> I found this very interesting.  This comes off my Speedtest (Ookla)
>> server results.  This is only the web app, not Android/iOS.
>> Chrome/Firefox/Safari + Windows/OSX.
>>
>> May 2015 (I think we had a 200 meg circuit at this time?)
>> DOWNLOAD_KBPS UPLOAD_KBPS LATENCY
>> 31196.85954 7480.730492 74.5030012
>>
>> Feb 2016 (definitely at least 200 meg circuit)
>> DOWNLOAD_KBPS UPLOAD_KBPS LATENCY
>> 15278.53728 5836.968189 102.6313096
>>
>> Jan 1-24 2017 (300 meg circuit)
>> DOWNLOAD_KBPS UPLOAD_KBPS LATENCY
>> 15959.06536 7440.258753 103.3006186
>>
>> From 32 down to 16 meg average between 2015 and 2017.  Latency has a huge
>> jump up, too.  A major factor is going to be this partial month is nearly
>> 50,000 tests where as 2016 was 10,000 and 2015 had 4,700.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>

[AFMUG] 'splain me sumptin

[Chuck McCown]

I have never understood how you can set up a streaming server and deliver 
hundreds or thousands of streams without having our upstream BW be stream BW X 
# of streams.  Each stream has its own session, right?  

So with folks watching the coronation via CNN streaming, CNN cannot possibly 
have a pipe large enough to give each user its own BW.

I understand how simple this is with multicast, but I have always presumed that 
multicast does not traverse the public internet?  Hard enough to get it to work 
flawless internally with IPTV.  

There is probably some kind of UDP broadcast type of thing that I have just 
been unaware of.  

Re: [AFMUG] testy

[Josh Reynolds]

Congrats.

On Jan 25, 2017 10:56 AM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

> I moved our domain over to teh googles appz this morning.
>
> On 1/25/2017 10:51 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
> complete and total shutdown of afmug until we can all be extremely vetted
> to ensure we arent Rise plants
>
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> That's what she said
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <%28937%29%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <%28937%29%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 11:47 AM, George Skorup > > wrote:
>>
>>> Is this thing on?
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest server results

[Josh Reynolds]

100ms latency. That's terrible routing or more likely shitty buffer bloat.

On Jan 25, 2017 10:56 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
wrote:

> I found this very interesting.  This comes off my Speedtest (Ookla) server
> results.  This is only the web app, not Android/iOS.  Chrome/Firefox/Safari
> + Windows/OSX.
>
> May 2015 (I think we had a 200 meg circuit at this time?)
> DOWNLOAD_KBPS UPLOAD_KBPS LATENCY
> 31196.85954 7480.730492 74.5030012
>
> Feb 2016 (definitely at least 200 meg circuit)
> DOWNLOAD_KBPS UPLOAD_KBPS LATENCY
> 15278.53728 5836.968189 102.6313096
>
> Jan 1-24 2017 (300 meg circuit)
> DOWNLOAD_KBPS UPLOAD_KBPS LATENCY
> 15959.06536 7440.258753 103.3006186
>
> From 32 down to 16 meg average between 2015 and 2017.  Latency has a huge
> jump up, too.  A major factor is going to be this partial month is nearly
> 50,000 tests where as 2016 was 10,000 and 2015 had 4,700.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>

Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

[Mathew Howard]

I'm confused as to why you would get less capacity with TDMA set to auto...

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 10:31 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:

>
> actually i saw the tik stats on pause frames right in winbox...
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Faisal Imtiaz 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 25, 2017 8:50 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
>
> FYI
>
> Netonix provides extended stats on the interface, makes it easy to see
> what is going on..
>
> on the mikrotik extended stats are available via CLI/interface
> ethernet print stats
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 <(305)%20663-5518> x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"CBB - Jay Fuller" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 25, 2017 2:21:15 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
>
>
> the flow control story came from the netonix forums and i agree, it does
> not negotiate flow control property in the netonix switch.
> that being said, when connected to a mikrotik, there ARE pause frames
> being generated, and mimosa insists flow control is
> enabled / working on their devices.
>
> speaking of which, i just put in like 3 new mimosa links ; i haven't
> tinkered with flow control on them yet.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Faisal Imtiaz 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 24, 2017 11:57 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
>
> also..
>
> in regards to flow control.. turn it on (auto) on the MT side
> and also turn it on on the B11 radio.
>
> Additionally look at the B11 logs and see if your ethernet port is
> flapping ...
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Chris Wright" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:41:37 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
>
> Firmware 1.4.4
> SNR 41, 42, 41, 41
> Flow Control had no effect so it remains disabled for now.
>
> Sent via mobile phone.
>
> On Jan 24, 2017, at 9:05 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
> What version for firmware is on the radio ?
>
> and   What your SNR on the two chains (both directions, i.e. 4 readings).
>
> I can tell you that we do not see the behavior you are describing below...
> But I can also tell you that we had to do some 'tuning' on settings
> including flow control ..
> our B11's plug into netonix Switches
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Chris Wright" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 24, 2017 8:02:58 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
>
> According to Mimosa, I should be telling my customers that if they’re
> using the most popular metric in the world for testing internet speeds,
> they’re doing it wrong (I concede that while this may be technically
> correct, my customers – and yours too – don’t do technically correct very
> well.”
>
>
>
> When TDMA is set to 75/25, 8ms window, MAC Tx/Rx is 980/290. This gives me
> as much Tx bandwidth as I require for peak times, but no one client IP can
> download more than 20mbps of TCP traffic (from my speedtest.net at the
> edge, nor anyone else’s beyond my edge).
>
>
>
> When TDMA is Auto, MAC Tx/Rx is 780/780 (lower Tx, which is undesirable as
> it’s 100mbps shy of what I need during peak hours), but TCP throughput per
> client is greatly increased (150+mbps).
>
>
>
> So I’m in a pickle. Either my scrupulous customers can get those coveted
> speedtest.net results they love seeing as they run them every thirty
> seconds ad-nauseum at the cost of overall Tx capacity of the link. Or I
> give myself some headroom in link capacity but the fastest speeds my
> 100mbps clients can see is 20mbps.
>
>
>
> What’s even stranger is that client upload seems unaffected. I can upload
> 150+mbps from my test on the link no matter what TDMA is configured. I hit
> up Mimosa’s chat support was as chipper as they were unyielding in their
> idea that I should test in a way that caters to the B11’s shortcomings.
> I’ve been a Mimosa fanboy for a while now but boy am I feeling burned right
> now.
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>
>
>

[AFMUG] Speedtest server results

[Josh Luthman]

I found this very interesting.  This comes off my Speedtest (Ookla) server
results.  This is only the web app, not Android/iOS.  Chrome/Firefox/Safari
+ Windows/OSX.

May 2015 (I think we had a 200 meg circuit at this time?)
DOWNLOAD_KBPS UPLOAD_KBPS LATENCY
31196.85954 7480.730492 74.5030012

Feb 2016 (definitely at least 200 meg circuit)
DOWNLOAD_KBPS UPLOAD_KBPS LATENCY
15278.53728 5836.968189 102.6313096

Jan 1-24 2017 (300 meg circuit)
DOWNLOAD_KBPS UPLOAD_KBPS LATENCY
15959.06536 7440.258753 103.3006186

>From 32 down to 16 meg average between 2015 and 2017.  Latency has a huge
jump up, too.  A major factor is going to be this partial month is nearly
50,000 tests where as 2016 was 10,000 and 2015 had 4,700.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] testy

[George Skorup]

I moved our domain over to teh googles appz this morning.

On 1/25/2017 10:51 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
complete and total shutdown of afmug until we can all be extremely 
vetted to ensure we arent Rise plants


On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:


That's what she said


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 11:47 AM, George Skorup
mailto:george.sko...@cbcast.com>> wrote:

Is this thing on?





--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] testy

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

complete and total shutdown of afmug until we can all be extremely vetted
to ensure we arent Rise plants

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> That's what she said
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 11:47 AM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
>
>> Is this thing on?
>>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] testy

[Josh Luthman]

That's what she said


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 11:47 AM, George Skorup 
wrote:

> Is this thing on?
>

[AFMUG] testy

[George Skorup]

Is this thing on?

Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Wow... that is a short link for 11ghz.. 
what size dishes are you using ? 2ft or 1ft ? please tell me 1ft... 

Are your B11's reporting to the Cloud ? there are more stats which get exposed 
on the Mimosa Cloud App. 

I was seeing some strange performance issues.. sort of similar to yours.. (you 
can see details from my post in the Mimosa Community Forms). 

Someone pointed out that B11's like to have SNR between 32-35, when it is lower 
or higher they have modulations issues.. 
My performance improved after we turned the power down.. my link was a bit 
longer.. 3.9 miles (6.3km) with 2ft dishes, ... 

and yes, they do not go below 10dBm on tx power... 

maybe some sort of a material on the radome to reduce energy ? 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Chris Wright" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 11:21:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

> Power is already at the minimum (10dBm) on both sides. 2.2km link.

> Chris Wright

> Network Administrator

> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 9:56 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

> > SNR 41, 42, 41, 41

> Turn down your power, and bring the SNR in the 30-35 range...

> it will improve thruput and allow for the higher modulation.

> Regards.

> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>> From: "Chris Wright" < ch...@velociter.net >
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:41:37 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
>> Firmware 1.4.4

>> SNR 41, 42, 41, 41

>> Flow Control had no effect so it remains disabled for now.

>> Sent via mobile phone.

>> On Jan 24, 2017, at 9:05 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net > 
>> wrote:

>>> What version for firmware is on the radio ?

>>> and What your SNR on the two chains (both directions, i.e. 4 readings).

>>> I can tell you that we do not see the behavior you are describing below...

>>> But I can also tell you that we had to do some 'tuning' on settings 
>>> including
>>> flow control ..

>>> our B11's plug into netonix Switches

>>> Regards.

>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

 From: "Chris Wright" < ch...@velociter.net >
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 8:02:58 PM
 Subject: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
 According to Mimosa, I should be telling my customers that if they’re 
 using the
 most popular metric in the world for testing internet speeds, they’re 
 doing it
 wrong (I concede that while this may be technically correct, my customers 
 – and
 yours too – don’t do technically correct very well.”

 When TDMA is set to 75/25, 8ms window, MAC Tx/Rx is 980/290. This gives me 
 as
 much Tx bandwidth as I require for peak times, but no one client IP can
 download more than 20mbps of TCP traffic (from my speedtest.net at the 
 edge,
 nor anyone else’s beyond my edge).

 When TDMA is Auto, MAC Tx/Rx is 780/780 (lower Tx, which is undesirable as 
 it’s
 100mbps shy of what I need during peak hours), but TCP throughput per 
 client is
 greatly increased (150+mbps).

 So I’m in a pickle. Either my scrupulous customers can get those coveted
 speedtest.net results they love seeing as they run them every thirty 
 seconds
 ad-nauseum at the cost of overall Tx capacity of the link. Or I give myself
 some headroom in link capacity but the fastest speeds my 100mbps clients 
 can
 see is 20mbps.

 What’s even stranger is that client upload seems unaffected. I can upload
 150+mbps from my test on the link no matter what TDMA is configured. I hit 
 up
 Mimosa’s chat support was as chipper as they were unyielding in their idea 
 that
 I should test in a way that caters to the B11’s shortcomings. I’ve been a
 Mimosa fanboy for a while now but boy am I feeling burned right now.

 Chris Wright

 Network Administrator

Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

actually i saw the tik stats on pause frames right in winbox...

  - Original Message - 
  From: Faisal Imtiaz 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 8:50 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP


  FYI 


  Netonix provides extended stats on the interface, makes it easy to see what 
is going on..


  on the mikrotik extended stats are available via CLI/interface ethernet 
print stats


  Regards.


  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  7266 SW 48 Street
  Miami, FL 33155
  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net



--

From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 2:21:15 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP


the flow control story came from the netonix forums and i agree, it does 
not negotiate flow control property in the netonix switch.
that being said, when connected to a mikrotik, there ARE pause frames being 
generated, and mimosa insists flow control is
enabled / working on their devices.

speaking of which, i just put in like 3 new mimosa links ; i haven't 
tinkered with flow control on them yet.


  - Original Message -
  From: Faisal Imtiaz
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 11:57 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP


  also..


  in regards to flow control.. turn it on (auto) on the MT side 
  and also turn it on on the B11 radio.


  Additionally look at the B11 logs and see if your ethernet port is 
flapping ...


  Regards.


  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  7266 SW 48 Street
  Miami, FL 33155
  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


--

From: "Chris Wright" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:41:37 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

Firmware 1.4.4
SNR 41, 42, 41, 41
Flow Control had no effect so it remains disabled for now.


Sent via mobile phone.

On Jan 24, 2017, at 9:05 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  
wrote:


  What version for firmware is on the radio ? 


  and   What your SNR on the two chains (both directions, i.e. 4 
readings).


  I can tell you that we do not see the behavior you are describing 
below...
  But I can also tell you that we had to do some 'tuning' on settings 
including flow control ..
  our B11's plug into netonix Switches 


  Regards.


  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  7266 SW 48 Street
  Miami, FL 33155
  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


--

From: "Chris Wright" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 8:02:58 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

According to Mimosa, I should be telling my customers that if 
they’re using the most popular metric in the world for testing internet speeds, 
they’re doing it wrong (I concede that while this may be technically correct, 
my customers – and yours too – don’t do technically correct very well.”



When TDMA is set to 75/25, 8ms window, MAC Tx/Rx is 980/290. This 
gives me as much Tx bandwidth as I require for peak times, but no one client IP 
can download more than 20mbps of TCP traffic (from my speedtest.net at the 
edge, nor anyone else’s beyond my edge).



When TDMA is Auto, MAC Tx/Rx is 780/780 (lower Tx, which is 
undesirable as it’s 100mbps shy of what I need during peak hours), but TCP 
throughput per client is greatly increased (150+mbps).



So I’m in a pickle. Either my scrupulous customers can get those 
coveted speedtest.net results they love seeing as they run them every thirty 
seconds ad-nauseum at the cost of overall Tx capacity of the link. Or I give 
myself some headroom in link capacity but the fastest speeds my 100mbps clients 
can see is 20mbps.



What’s even stranger is that client upload seems unaffected. I can 
upload 150+mbps from my test on the link no matter what TDMA is configured. I 
hit up Mimosa’s chat support was as chipper as they were unyielding in their 
idea that I should test in a way that caters to the B11’s shortcomings. I’ve 
been a Mimosa fanboy for a while now but boy am I feeling burned right now.



Chris Wright

Network Administrator

Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

[Chris Wright]

Power is already at the minimum (10dBm) on both sides. 2.2km link.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 9:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

>SNR 41, 42, 41, 41

Turn down your power, and bring the SNR in the 30-35 range...
it will improve thruput and allow for the higher modulation.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "Chris Wright" mailto:ch...@velociter.net>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:41:37 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
Firmware 1.4.4
SNR 41, 42, 41, 41
Flow Control had no effect so it remains disabled for now.
Sent via mobile phone.

On Jan 24, 2017, at 9:05 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>> wrote:
What version for firmware is on the radio ?

and   What your SNR on the two chains (both directions, i.e. 4 readings).

I can tell you that we do not see the behavior you are describing below...
But I can also tell you that we had to do some 'tuning' on settings including 
flow control ..
our B11's plug into netonix Switches

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "Chris Wright" mailto:ch...@velociter.net>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 8:02:58 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
According to Mimosa, I should be telling my customers that if they’re using the 
most popular metric in the world for testing internet speeds, they’re doing it 
wrong (I concede that while this may be technically correct, my customers – and 
yours too – don’t do technically correct very well.”

When TDMA is set to 75/25, 8ms window, MAC Tx/Rx is 980/290. This gives me as 
much Tx bandwidth as I require for peak times, but no one client IP can 
download more than 20mbps of TCP traffic (from my 
speedtest.net at the edge, nor anyone else’s beyond my 
edge).

When TDMA is Auto, MAC Tx/Rx is 780/780 (lower Tx, which is undesirable as it’s 
100mbps shy of what I need during peak hours), but TCP throughput per client is 
greatly increased (150+mbps).

So I’m in a pickle. Either my scrupulous customers can get those coveted 
speedtest.net results they love seeing as they run them 
every thirty seconds ad-nauseum at the cost of overall Tx capacity of the link. 
Or I give myself some headroom in link capacity but the fastest speeds my 
100mbps clients can see is 20mbps.

What’s even stranger is that client upload seems unaffected. I can upload 
150+mbps from my test on the link no matter what TDMA is configured. I hit up 
Mimosa’s chat support was as chipper as they were unyielding in their idea that 
I should test in a way that caters to the B11’s shortcomings. I’ve been a 
Mimosa fanboy for a while now but boy am I feeling burned right now.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

[Jay Weekley]

Actually they were installed on Tequila Tuesday.

Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

  you are not supposed to be sipping mimosa's when your are installing 
mimosa's...
   ahh well who cares if it is 3 or 4.. it's all good !

:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -

From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 9:52:48 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
I think you actually put in four Mimosa links.

CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

the flow control story came from the netonix forums and i agree, it
does not negotiate flow control property in the netonix switch.
that being said, when connected to a mikrotik, there ARE pause frames
being generated, and mimosa insists flow control is
enabled / working on their devices.
speaking of which, i just put in like 3 new mimosa links ; i haven't
tinkered with flow control on them yet.

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Faisal Imtiaz 
 *To:* af@afmug.com 
 *Sent:* Tuesday, January 24, 2017 11:57 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

 also..

 in regards to flow control.. turn it on (auto) on the MT side
 and also turn it on on the B11 radio.

 Additionally look at the B11 logs and see if your ethernet port is
 flapping ...

 Regards.

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet & Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, FL 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

 

 *From: *"Chris Wright" 
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:41:37 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

 Firmware 1.4.4
 SNR 41, 42, 41, 41
 Flow Control had no effect so it remains disabled for now.

 Sent via mobile phone.

 On Jan 24, 2017, at 9:05 PM, Faisal Imtiaz
 mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>>
 wrote:

 What version for firmware is on the radio ?

 and   What your SNR on the two chains (both directions,
 i.e. 4 readings).

 I can tell you that we do not see the behavior you are
 describing below...
 But I can also tell you that we had to do some 'tuning' on
 settings including flow control ..
 our B11's plug into netonix Switches

 Regards.

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet & Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, FL 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email:
 supp...@snappytelecom.net 

 


 *From: *"Chris Wright" mailto:ch...@velociter.net>>
 *To: *af@afmug.com 
 *Sent: *Tuesday, January 24, 2017 8:02:58 PM
 *Subject: *[AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

 According to Mimosa, I should be telling my customers
 that if they’re using the most popular metric in the
 world for testing internet speeds, they’re doing it
 wrong (I concede that while this may be technically
 correct, my customers – and yours too – don’t do
 technically correct very well.”

 When TDMA is set to 75/25, 8ms window, MAC Tx/Rx is
 980/290. This gives me as much Tx bandwidth as I
 require for peak times, but no one client IP can
 download more than 20mbps of TCP traffic (from my
 speedtest.net  at the edge, nor
 anyone else’s beyond my edge).

 When TDMA is Auto, MAC Tx/Rx is 780/780 (lower Tx,
 which is undesirable as it’s 100mbps shy of what I
 need during peak hours), but TCP throughput per client
 is greatly increased (150+mbps).

 So I’m in a pickle. Either my scrupulous customers can
 get those coveted speedtest.net 
 results they love seeing as they run them every thirty
 seconds ad-nauseum at the cost of overall Tx capacity
 of the link. Or I give myself some headroom in link
 capacity but the fastest speeds my 100mbps clients can
 see is 20mbps.

 What’s even stranger is that client upload seems
 unaffected. I can upload 150+mbps from my test on the
 link no matter what TDMA is configured. I hit up
 

Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

[Faisal Imtiaz]

 you are not supposed to be sipping mimosa's when your are installing 
mimosa's...
  ahh well who cares if it is 3 or 4.. it's all good !

:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 9:52:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

> I think you actually put in four Mimosa links.
> 
> CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>> the flow control story came from the netonix forums and i agree, it
>> does not negotiate flow control property in the netonix switch.
>> that being said, when connected to a mikrotik, there ARE pause frames
>> being generated, and mimosa insists flow control is
>> enabled / working on their devices.
>> speaking of which, i just put in like 3 new mimosa links ; i haven't
>> tinkered with flow control on them yet.
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Faisal Imtiaz 
>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 24, 2017 11:57 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
>>
>> also..
>>
>> in regards to flow control.. turn it on (auto) on the MT side
>> and also turn it on on the B11 radio.
>>
>> Additionally look at the B11 logs and see if your ethernet port is
>> flapping ...
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> 
>>
>> *From: *"Chris Wright" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:41:37 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
>>
>> Firmware 1.4.4
>> SNR 41, 42, 41, 41
>> Flow Control had no effect so it remains disabled for now.
>>
>> Sent via mobile phone.
>>
>> On Jan 24, 2017, at 9:05 PM, Faisal Imtiaz
>> mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> What version for firmware is on the radio ?
>>
>> and   What your SNR on the two chains (both directions,
>> i.e. 4 readings).
>>
>> I can tell you that we do not see the behavior you are
>> describing below...
>> But I can also tell you that we had to do some 'tuning' on
>> settings including flow control ..
>> our B11's plug into netonix Switches
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email:
>> supp...@snappytelecom.net 
>>
>> 
>> 
>>
>> *From: *"Chris Wright" > >
>> *To: *af@afmug.com 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 24, 2017 8:02:58 PM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
>>
>> According to Mimosa, I should be telling my customers
>> that if they’re using the most popular metric in the
>> world for testing internet speeds, they’re doing it
>> wrong (I concede that while this may be technically
>> correct, my customers – and yours too – don’t do
>> technically correct very well.”
>>
>> When TDMA is set to 75/25, 8ms window, MAC Tx/Rx is
>> 980/290. This gives me as much Tx bandwidth as I
>> require for peak times, but no one client IP can
>> download more than 20mbps of TCP traffic (from my
>> speedtest.net  at the edge, nor
>> anyone else’s beyond my edge).
>>
>> When TDMA is Auto, MAC Tx/Rx is 780/780 (lower Tx,
>> which is undesirable as it’s 100mbps shy of what I
>> need during peak hours), but TCP throughput per client
>> is greatly increased (150+mbps).
>>
>> So I’m in a pickle. Either my scrupulous customers can
>> get those coveted speedtest.net 
>> results they love seeing as they run them every thirty
>> seconds ad-nauseum at the cost of overall Tx capacity
>> of the link. Or I give myself some headroom in link
>> capacity but the fastest speeds my 100mbps clients can
>> see is 20mbps.
>>
>> What’s even 

Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

[Jay Weekley]

I think you actually put in four Mimosa links.

CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
the flow control story came from the netonix forums and i agree, it 
does not negotiate flow control property in the netonix switch.
that being said, when connected to a mikrotik, there ARE pause frames 
being generated, and mimosa insists flow control is

enabled / working on their devices.
speaking of which, i just put in like 3 new mimosa links ; i haven't 
tinkered with flow control on them yet.


- Original Message -
*From:* Faisal Imtiaz 
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 24, 2017 11:57 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

also..

in regards to flow control.. turn it on (auto) on the MT side
and also turn it on on the B11 radio.

Additionally look at the B11 logs and see if your ethernet port is
flapping ...

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net



*From: *"Chris Wright" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:41:37 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

Firmware 1.4.4
SNR 41, 42, 41, 41
Flow Control had no effect so it remains disabled for now.

Sent via mobile phone.

On Jan 24, 2017, at 9:05 PM, Faisal Imtiaz
mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>>
wrote:

What version for firmware is on the radio ?

and   What your SNR on the two chains (both directions,
i.e. 4 readings).

I can tell you that we do not see the behavior you are
describing below...
But I can also tell you that we had to do some 'tuning' on
settings including flow control ..
our B11's plug into netonix Switches

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email:
supp...@snappytelecom.net 




*From: *"Chris Wright" mailto:ch...@velociter.net>>
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Tuesday, January 24, 2017 8:02:58 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

According to Mimosa, I should be telling my customers
that if they’re using the most popular metric in the
world for testing internet speeds, they’re doing it
wrong (I concede that while this may be technically
correct, my customers – and yours too – don’t do
technically correct very well.”

When TDMA is set to 75/25, 8ms window, MAC Tx/Rx is
980/290. This gives me as much Tx bandwidth as I
require for peak times, but no one client IP can
download more than 20mbps of TCP traffic (from my
speedtest.net  at the edge, nor
anyone else’s beyond my edge).

When TDMA is Auto, MAC Tx/Rx is 780/780 (lower Tx,
which is undesirable as it’s 100mbps shy of what I
need during peak hours), but TCP throughput per client
is greatly increased (150+mbps).

So I’m in a pickle. Either my scrupulous customers can
get those coveted speedtest.net 
results they love seeing as they run them every thirty
seconds ad-nauseum at the cost of overall Tx capacity
of the link. Or I give myself some headroom in link
capacity but the fastest speeds my 100mbps clients can
see is 20mbps.

What’s even stranger is that client upload seems
unaffected. I can upload 150+mbps from my test on the
link no matter what TDMA is configured. I hit up
Mimosa’s chat support was as chipper as they were
unyielding in their idea that I should test in a way
that caters to the B11’s shortcomings. I’ve been a
Mimosa fanboy for a while now but boy am I feeling
burned right now.

Chris Wright

Network Administrator



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Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

[Faisal Imtiaz]

FYI 

Netonix provides extended stats on the interface, makes it easy to see what is 
going on.. 

on the mikrotik extended stats are available via CLI /interface ethernet print 
stats 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 2:21:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

> the flow control story came from the netonix forums and i agree, it does not
> negotiate flow control property in the netonix switch.
> that being said, when connected to a mikrotik, there ARE pause frames being
> generated, and mimosa insists flow control is
> enabled / working on their devices.
> speaking of which, i just put in like 3 new mimosa links ; i haven't tinkered
> with flow control on them yet.

>> - Original Message -
>> From: Faisal Imtiaz
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 11:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

>> also..

>> in regards to flow control.. turn it on (auto) on the MT side
>> and also turn it on on the B11 radio.

>> Additionally look at the B11 logs and see if your ethernet port is flapping 
>> ...

>> Regards.

>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>>> From: "Chris Wright" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:41:37 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

>>> Firmware 1.4.4
>>> SNR 41, 42, 41, 41
>>> Flow Control had no effect so it remains disabled for now.

>>> Sent via mobile phone.

>>> On Jan 24, 2017, at 9:05 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net > 
>>> wrote:

 What version for firmware is on the radio ?

 and What your SNR on the two chains (both directions, i.e. 4 readings).

 I can tell you that we do not see the behavior you are describing below...
 But I can also tell you that we had to do some 'tuning' on settings 
 including
 flow control ..
 our B11's plug into netonix Switches

 Regards.

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet & Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, FL 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

> From: "Chris Wright" < ch...@velociter.net >
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 8:02:58 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

> According to Mimosa, I should be telling my customers that if they’re 
> using the
> most popular metric in the world for testing internet speeds, they’re 
> doing it
> wrong (I concede that while this may be technically correct, my customers 
> – and
> yours too – don’t do technically correct very well.”

> When TDMA is set to 75/25, 8ms window, MAC Tx/Rx is 980/290. This gives 
> me as
> much Tx bandwidth as I require for peak times, but no one client IP can
> download more than 20mbps of TCP traffic (from my speedtest.net at the 
> edge,
> nor anyone else’s beyond my edge).

> When TDMA is Auto, MAC Tx/Rx is 780/780 (lower Tx, which is undesirable 
> as it’s
> 100mbps shy of what I need during peak hours), but TCP throughput per 
> client is
> greatly increased (150+mbps).

> So I’m in a pickle. Either my scrupulous customers can get those coveted
> speedtest.net results they love seeing as they run them every thirty 
> seconds
> ad-nauseum at the cost of overall Tx capacity of the link. Or I give 
> myself
> some headroom in link capacity but the fastest speeds my 100mbps clients 
> can
> see is 20mbps.

> What’s even stranger is that client upload seems unaffected. I can upload
> 150+mbps from my test on the link no matter what TDMA is configured. I 
> hit up
> Mimosa’s chat support was as chipper as they were unyielding in their 
> idea that
> I should test in a way that caters to the B11’s shortcomings. I’ve been a
> Mimosa fanboy for a while now but boy am I feeling burned right now.

> Chris Wright

> Network Administrator

Re: [AFMUG] Cacti probe for Siklu?

[Gino Villarini]

Will do!

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Steve 
Utick mailto:sut...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 at 11:08 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cacti probe for Siklu?

Please let me know if it works for the 2200, so I know for future reference.





Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 4:24 PM, Gino Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Thanks! Will try!

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Steve 
Utick mailto:sut...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 at 5:30 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cacti probe for Siklu?

I don't have any 2200's to test on, but if they didn't change the OID's between 
the 1200 and the 2200 then...  I've got a 1200 one on my site at:  
http://www.north-hill.net/files/cacti-siklu.zip   Worth a shot to try at least.




Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Gino Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:


Anyone has a Cacti probe for Siklu 2200 radios?




Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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