Re: [AFMUG] OT: White House stops ads, outreach for last days of 2017 ACA enrollment

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

thats irrelevant to not advertising it
if its gone, stop advertising it
if all you have is fsk 900
and comed rolls through smart meters
you stop signing people up that cant connect anyway

On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 12:45 AM, Josh Reynolds 
wrote:

> Because there's not a replacement in place, and people need bankruptcy
> insurance.
>
> On Jan 26, 2017 11:08 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> good, why sign people up for a decomissioned product
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 10:29 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My bad, I thought they took out link to Melania's jewelry line on White
>>> House website..  What was I thinking?
>>>
>>> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.was
>>> hingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnational%2Fhealth-science%2Fwhit
>>> e-house-stops-ads-outreach-for-last-days-of-aca-enrollment%
>>> 2F2017%2F01%2F26%2Fa2f92682-e420-11e6-ba11-63c4b4fb5a63_stor
>>> y.html#pt0-459557
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: White House stops ads, outreach for last days of 2017 ACA enrollment

[Josh Reynolds]

Because there's not a replacement in place, and people need bankruptcy
insurance.

On Jan 26, 2017 11:08 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> good, why sign people up for a decomissioned product
>
> On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 10:29 PM, Jaime Solorza  > wrote:
>
>> My bad, I thought they took out link to Melania's jewelry line on White
>> House website..  What was I thinking?
>>
>> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.was
>> hingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnational%2Fhealth-science%2Fwhit
>> e-house-stops-ads-outreach-for-last-days-of-aca-enrollmen
>> t%2F2017%2F01%2F26%2Fa2f92682-e420-11e6-ba11-63c4b4fb5a63_
>> story.html#pt0-459557
>>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: White House stops ads, outreach for last days of 2017 ACA enrollment

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

good, why sign people up for a decomissioned product

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 10:29 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> My bad, I thought they took out link to Melania's jewelry line on White
> House website..  What was I thinking?
>
> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.
> washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnational%2Fhealth-science%
> 2Fwhite-house-stops-ads-outreach-for-last-days-of-aca-
> enrollment%2F2017%2F01%2F26%2Fa2f92682-e420-11e6-ba11-
> 63c4b4fb5a63_story.html#pt0-459557
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Low cost single pol 18 and 23 GHz part101

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Try the folks @ Surplus Wireless Gear... 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Eric Kuhnke" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 7:29:44 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Low cost single pol 18 and 23 GHz part101

> Anyone recently get a great deal for an 18 or 23 GHz (single polarity) 
> licensed
> link? Looking at various options for something full ODU, single polarity,
> 1024QAM.

> Would also consider an older tech 256QAM radio set if the pricing is amazingly
> good.

[AFMUG] OT: White House stops ads, outreach for last days of 2017 ACA enrollment

[Jaime Solorza]

My bad, I thought they took out link to Melania's jewelry line on White
House website..  What was I thinking?

https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnational%2Fhealth-science%2Fwhite-house-stops-ads-outreach-for-last-days-of-aca-enrollment%2F2017%2F01%2F26%2Fa2f92682-e420-11e6-ba11-63c4b4fb5a63_story.html#pt0-459557

Re: [AFMUG] managed router craziness

[Darin Steffl]

I understand there's many more mobile devices but I don't understand how a
household doesn't at least have one computer. A cheap $200 chromebook even
would make life so much easier.

Sometimes you just need a keyboard and larger screen instead of a tablet or
smartphone. I love having a laptop and prefer it if I'm going to be on my
phone for more than 5 or 10 minutes.
On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 7:45 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Since I was asking for the impossible (a computer for troubleshooting),
> she put it off until Saturday when her parents will be visiting with one of
> those rare pieces of equipment.  Where we go next, who knows?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 7:30 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] managed router craziness
>
> What did you do with the customer with the TPlink that could stream
> netflix but not surf?
>
> Ken Hohhof wrote:
> >
> > Customer has a leased Mikrotik.  I don’t think they will be able to
> > handle managing a Mikrotik, and I don’t want us making changes
> > multiple times each day so their kids do their homework.  I told
> > customer to shop for a router that can do what they want, and we would
> > take back the leased router.
> >
> > I still think sticking their head in the room has some value.
> >
> > *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason Wilson
> > *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 5:32 PM
> > *To:* af@afmug.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] managed router craziness
> >
> > Look at router limits. They have a few options to do exactly what you
> > are looking for.
> >
> > J
> >
> > On Jan 26, 2017 3:10 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  > > wrote:
> >
> > Customer called wanting to be able to call us each day and have us
> > disable Internet to each kid’s computer until they did their
> > homework, then call as each one finished their homework and have
> > us turn it back on.
> >
> > Seriously?
> >
> > What happened to sticking your head in the room and yelling “get
> > off the damn Internet and do your homework”?  Are parents too lazy
> > now to get up off the sofa and check on the kids?  When I was a
> > kid, a parent could yell from 50 paces and make you soil your
> > underwear.
> >
> > No virus found in this message.
> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
> > Version: 2016.0.7998 / Virus Database: 4749/13840 - Release Date:
> > 01/26/17
> >
>
>
>
> --
Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
 Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] OT Lipreading of the coronation

[Jeremy]

I can't stop laughing!!

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 1:22 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> https://youtu.be/gneBUA39mnI
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Up close and personal

[Jaime Solorza]

Thank you

On Jan 26, 2017 5:57 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Nice
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 5:54 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Up close and personal
>
>
> On Jan 26, 2017 5:40 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> This is how I do this..
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Pina Colada and long walks in the rain

[can...@believewireless.net]

OkCupid changed their rating system as it appeared to different users. It
seems just telling people
they are a good match, actually makes them like each other more.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/07/29/okcupid-admits-to-manipulating-user-data-and-its-not-alone/

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 6:09 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> jesus Christ, if my broad was like me, Id shoot the bitch
>
> On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 5:02 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> If your idea of a perfect mate is you with a wig, there might be
>> something wrong with you.  I guess Pina Coladas and long walks in the rain
>> might be a tipoff also.  I suppose some people like pina coladas, but who
>> likes long walks in the rain?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris Wright
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 3:35 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Pina Colada and long walks in the rain
>>
>>
>>
>> If eHarmony’s algorithm was supposed to match people that were most
>> alike, it would have been called eMelody.
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris Wright
>>
>> Network Administrator
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:04 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Pina Colada and long walks in the rain
>>
>>
>>
>> They all looked pretty legit.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hey, worked out OK for Napoleon Dynamite’s brother.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:46 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Pina Colada and long walks in the rain
>>
>>
>>
>> But are they chatbots like on Ashley Madison?
>>
>>
>>
>> (My son refuses to believe his “Internet girlfriend” is probably a 300 lb
>> tranny in Thailand who will eventually want him to wire money for an
>> airline ticket.  Hah!  Like he has any money.)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 1:00 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Pina Colada and long walks in the rain
>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah, I can see that.  But most of the preferences were the same between
>> us.  I was just trying to game it to produce a match.
>>
>> I am very surprised at the quantity of matches we did get.  Holy cow
>> there are a lot of fairly local, similar age folks lookin’ for love out
>> there.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Travis Johnson
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:55 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Pina Colada and long walks in the rain
>>
>>
>>
>> Compatibility between people doesn't necessarily mean same preferences.
>> Usually people with different characteristics are actually better matched.
>>
>> Travis
>>
>> On 1/26/2017 11:42 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> For fun, my wife and I both got a free eHarmony account.  Worked hard to
>> have the exact same preferences.  Only differences is our ages.
>>
>> One week later and we still have not been matched to each other.
>>
>>
>>
>> I wonder if the algorithm somehow knows we are related.  I don’t think it
>> asked for addresses.  Not even sure it asked for a last name.
>>
>> In any event I guess this must mean that we are not compatible...
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Charter

[Mathew Howard]

So you're saying that's a yes?

On Jan 26, 2017 8:43 PM, "Robert"  wrote:

> Does an Obese person need a piece of cake...?
>
> On 1/26/17 6:39 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>
>>
>> Does Verizon really need Charter?
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Charter

[Robert]

Does an Obese person need a piece of cake...?

On 1/26/17 6:39 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:


Does Verizon really need Charter?

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

[AFMUG] Charter

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Does Verizon really need Charter?

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

Re: [AFMUG] managed router craziness

[Ken Hohhof]

Since I was asking for the impossible (a computer for troubleshooting), she put 
it off until Saturday when her parents will be visiting with one of those rare 
pieces of equipment.  Where we go next, who knows?


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 7:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] managed router craziness

What did you do with the customer with the TPlink that could stream netflix but 
not surf?

Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Customer has a leased Mikrotik.  I don’t think they will be able to 
> handle managing a Mikrotik, and I don’t want us making changes 
> multiple times each day so their kids do their homework.  I told 
> customer to shop for a router that can do what they want, and we would 
> take back the leased router.
>
> I still think sticking their head in the room has some value.
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason Wilson
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 5:32 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] managed router craziness
>
> Look at router limits. They have a few options to do exactly what you 
> are looking for.
>
> J
>
> On Jan 26, 2017 3:10 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  > wrote:
>
> Customer called wanting to be able to call us each day and have us
> disable Internet to each kid’s computer until they did their
> homework, then call as each one finished their homework and have
> us turn it back on.
>
> Seriously?
>
> What happened to sticking your head in the room and yelling “get
> off the damn Internet and do your homework”?  Are parents too lazy
> now to get up off the sofa and check on the kids?  When I was a
> kid, a parent could yell from 50 paces and make you soil your
> underwear.
>
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
> Version: 2016.0.7998 / Virus Database: 4749/13840 - Release Date: 
> 01/26/17
>

Re: [AFMUG] managed router craziness

[Jay Weekley]

What did you do with the customer with the TPlink that could stream 
netflix but not surf?


Ken Hohhof wrote:


Customer has a leased Mikrotik.  I don’t think they will be able to 
handle managing a Mikrotik, and I don’t want us making changes 
multiple times each day so their kids do their homework.  I told 
customer to shop for a router that can do what they want, and we would 
take back the leased router.


I still think sticking their head in the room has some value.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason Wilson
*Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 5:32 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] managed router craziness

Look at router limits. They have a few options to do exactly what you 
are looking for.


J

On Jan 26, 2017 3:10 PM, "Ken Hohhof" > wrote:


Customer called wanting to be able to call us each day and have us
disable Internet to each kid’s computer until they did their
homework, then call as each one finished their homework and have
us turn it back on.

Seriously?

What happened to sticking your head in the room and yelling “get
off the damn Internet and do your homework”?  Are parents too lazy
now to get up off the sofa and check on the kids?  When I was a
kid, a parent could yell from 50 paces and make you soil your
underwear.

No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
Version: 2016.0.7998 / Virus Database: 4749/13840 - Release Date: 01/26/17

Re: [AFMUG] managed router craziness

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

does mikrotik still have the skins? just make a skin that only has what
they want give them that login

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 5:52 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Customer has a leased Mikrotik.  I don’t think they will be able to handle
> managing a Mikrotik, and I don’t want us making changes multiple times each
> day so their kids do their homework.  I told customer to shop for a router
> that can do what they want, and we would take back the leased router.
>
>
>
> I still think sticking their head in the room has some value.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason Wilson
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 5:32 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] managed router craziness
>
>
>
> Look at router limits. They have a few options to do exactly what you are
> looking for.
>
> J
>
>
>
> On Jan 26, 2017 3:10 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
> Customer called wanting to be able to call us each day and have us disable
> Internet to each kid’s computer until they did their homework, then call as
> each one finished their homework and have us turn it back on.
>
>
>
> Seriously?
>
>
>
> What happened to sticking your head in the room and yelling “get off the
> damn Internet and do your homework”?  Are parents too lazy now to get up
> off the sofa and check on the kids?  When I was a kid, a parent could yell
> from 50 paces and make you soil your underwear.
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Up close and personal

[Chuck McCown]

Nice

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 5:54 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Up close and personal


On Jan 26, 2017 5:40 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

  This is how I do this.. 

Re: [AFMUG] managed router craziness

[Nathan Anderson]

Tell 'em to keep their MikroTik that they got from you, and buy a Circle to add 
onto their network.

-- Nathan

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 3:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] managed router craziness

Customer has a leased Mikrotik.  I don’t think they will be able to handle 
managing a Mikrotik, and I don’t want us making changes multiple times each day 
so their kids do their homework.  I told customer to shop for a router that can 
do what they want, and we would take back the leased router.

I still think sticking their head in the room has some value.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason Wilson
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 5:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] managed router craziness

Look at router limits. They have a few options to do exactly what you are 
looking for.
J

On Jan 26, 2017 3:10 PM, "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> 
wrote:
Customer called wanting to be able to call us each day and have us disable 
Internet to each kid’s computer until they did their homework, then call as 
each one finished their homework and have us turn it back on.

Seriously?

What happened to sticking your head in the room and yelling “get off the damn 
Internet and do your homework”?  Are parents too lazy now to get up off the 
sofa and check on the kids?  When I was a kid, a parent could yell from 50 
paces and make you soil your underwear.

[AFMUG] Low cost single pol 18 and 23 GHz part101

[Eric Kuhnke]

Anyone recently get a great deal for an 18 or 23 GHz (single polarity)
licensed link? Looking at various options for something full ODU, single
polarity, 1024QAM.

Would also consider an older tech 256QAM radio set if the pricing is
amazingly good.

Re: [AFMUG] managed router craziness

[Ken Hohhof]

Customer has a leased Mikrotik.  I don’t think they will be able to handle 
managing a Mikrotik, and I don’t want us making changes multiple times each day 
so their kids do their homework.  I told customer to shop for a router that can 
do what they want, and we would take back the leased router.

 

I still think sticking their head in the room has some value.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason Wilson
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 5:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] managed router craziness

 

Look at router limits. They have a few options to do exactly what you are 
looking for. 

J

 

On Jan 26, 2017 3:10 PM, "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com> 
> wrote:

Customer called wanting to be able to call us each day and have us disable 
Internet to each kid’s computer until they did their homework, then call as 
each one finished their homework and have us turn it back on.

 

Seriously?

 

What happened to sticking your head in the room and yelling “get off the damn 
Internet and do your homework”?  Are parents too lazy now to get up off the 
sofa and check on the kids?  When I was a kid, a parent could yell from 50 
paces and make you soil your underwear.

Re: [AFMUG] managed router craziness

[Jason Wilson]

Look at router limits. They have a few options to do exactly what you are
looking for.
J

On Jan 26, 2017 3:10 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> Customer called wanting to be able to call us each day and have us disable
> Internet to each kid’s computer until they did their homework, then call as
> each one finished their homework and have us turn it back on.
>
>
>
> Seriously?
>
>
>
> What happened to sticking your head in the room and yelling “get off the
> damn Internet and do your homework”?  Are parents too lazy now to get up
> off the sofa and check on the kids?  When I was a kid, a parent could yell
> from 50 paces and make you soil your underwear.
>

Re: [AFMUG] managed router craziness

[Ken Hohhof]

I think the point is that anything that gets changed on a daily basis, the 
customer will have to do themselves.  We’re not going to be the homework police 
for $5/month.  (Also, any 14 year old knows how to spoof a MAC address.)

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 5:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] managed router craziness

 

Calix can do that and they have an app for your phone so you can change those 
settings on the fly even if you're away from home.

 

-Sean

 

 

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 4:09 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Customer called wanting to be able to call us each day and have us disable 
Internet to each kid’s computer until they did their homework, then call as 
each one finished their homework and have us turn it back on.

 

Seriously?

 

What happened to sticking your head in the room and yelling “get off the damn 
Internet and do your homework”?  Are parents too lazy now to get up off the 
sofa and check on the kids?  When I was a kid, a parent could yell from 50 
paces and make you soil your underwear.

Re: [AFMUG] managed router craziness

[chuck]

https://www.familyzone.com/

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 4:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] managed router craziness

Customer called wanting to be able to call us each day and have us disable 
Internet to each kid’s computer until they did their homework, then call as 
each one finished their homework and have us turn it back on.

 

Seriously?

 

What happened to sticking your head in the room and yelling “get off the damn 
Internet and do your homework”?  Are parents too lazy now to get up off the 
sofa and check on the kids?  When I was a kid, a parent could yell from 50 
paces and make you soil your underwear.

Re: [AFMUG] managed router craziness

[Sean Heskett]

Calix can do that and they have an app for your phone so you can change
those settings on the fly even if you're away from home.

-Sean


On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 4:09 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Customer called wanting to be able to call us each day and have us disable
> Internet to each kid’s computer until they did their homework, then call as
> each one finished their homework and have us turn it back on.
>
>
>
> Seriously?
>
>
>
> What happened to sticking your head in the room and yelling “get off the
> damn Internet and do your homework”?  Are parents too lazy now to get up
> off the sofa and check on the kids?  When I was a kid, a parent could yell
> from 50 paces and make you soil your underwear.
>

Re: [AFMUG] managed router craziness

[Josh Baird]

Haha - that is *ridiculous*.  Maybe the best one I have heard in a while..

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 6:10 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Customer called wanting to be able to call us each day and have us disable
> Internet to each kid’s computer until they did their homework, then call as
> each one finished their homework and have us turn it back on.
>
>
>
> Seriously?
>
>
>
> What happened to sticking your head in the room and yelling “get off the
> damn Internet and do your homework”?  Are parents too lazy now to get up
> off the sofa and check on the kids?  When I was a kid, a parent could yell
> from 50 paces and make you soil your underwear.
>

[AFMUG] managed router craziness

[Ken Hohhof]

Customer called wanting to be able to call us each day and have us disable
Internet to each kid's computer until they did their homework, then call as
each one finished their homework and have us turn it back on.

 

Seriously?

 

What happened to sticking your head in the room and yelling "get off the
damn Internet and do your homework"?  Are parents too lazy now to get up off
the sofa and check on the kids?  When I was a kid, a parent could yell from
50 paces and make you soil your underwear.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Pina Colada and long walks in the rain

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

jesus Christ, if my broad was like me, Id shoot the bitch

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 5:02 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> If your idea of a perfect mate is you with a wig, there might be something
> wrong with you.  I guess Pina Coladas and long walks in the rain might be a
> tipoff also.  I suppose some people like pina coladas, but who likes long
> walks in the rain?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris Wright
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 3:35 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Pina Colada and long walks in the rain
>
>
>
> If eHarmony’s algorithm was supposed to match people that were most alike,
> it would have been called eMelody.
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:04 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Pina Colada and long walks in the rain
>
>
>
> They all looked pretty legit.
>
>
>
> Hey, worked out OK for Napoleon Dynamite’s brother.
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:46 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Pina Colada and long walks in the rain
>
>
>
> But are they chatbots like on Ashley Madison?
>
>
>
> (My son refuses to believe his “Internet girlfriend” is probably a 300 lb
> tranny in Thailand who will eventually want him to wire money for an
> airline ticket.  Hah!  Like he has any money.)
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 1:00 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Pina Colada and long walks in the rain
>
>
>
> Yeah, I can see that.  But most of the preferences were the same between
> us.  I was just trying to game it to produce a match.
>
> I am very surprised at the quantity of matches we did get.  Holy cow there
> are a lot of fairly local, similar age folks lookin’ for love out there.
>
>
>
> *From:* Travis Johnson
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:55 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Pina Colada and long walks in the rain
>
>
>
> Compatibility between people doesn't necessarily mean same preferences.
> Usually people with different characteristics are actually better matched.
>
> Travis
>
> On 1/26/2017 11:42 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> For fun, my wife and I both got a free eHarmony account.  Worked hard to
> have the exact same preferences.  Only differences is our ages.
>
> One week later and we still have not been matched to each other.
>
>
>
> I wonder if the algorithm somehow knows we are related.  I don’t think it
> asked for addresses.  Not even sure it asked for a last name.
>
> In any event I guess this must mean that we are not compatible...
>
>
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Pina Colada and long walks in the rain

[Ken Hohhof]

If your idea of a perfect mate is you with a wig, there might be something 
wrong with you.  I guess Pina Coladas and long walks in the rain might be a 
tipoff also.  I suppose some people like pina coladas, but who likes long walks 
in the rain?

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 3:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pina Colada and long walks in the rain

 

If eHarmony’s algorithm was supposed to match people that were most alike, it 
would have been called eMelody.

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pina Colada and long walks in the rain

 

They all looked pretty legit.  

 

Hey, worked out OK for Napoleon Dynamite’s brother.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:46 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pina Colada and long walks in the rain

 

But are they chatbots like on Ashley Madison?

 

(My son refuses to believe his “Internet girlfriend” is probably a 300 lb 
tranny in Thailand who will eventually want him to wire money for an airline 
ticket.  Hah!  Like he has any money.)

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 1:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pina Colada and long walks in the rain

 

Yeah, I can see that.  But most of the preferences were the same between us.  I 
was just trying to game it to produce a match.  

I am very surprised at the quantity of matches we did get.  Holy cow there are 
a lot of fairly local, similar age folks lookin’ for love out there.  

 

From: Travis Johnson 

Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:55 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pina Colada and long walks in the rain

 

Compatibility between people doesn't necessarily mean same preferences. Usually 
people with different characteristics are actually better matched.

Travis

On 1/26/2017 11:42 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

For fun, my wife and I both got a free eHarmony account.  Worked hard to have 
the exact same preferences.  Only differences is our ages.

One week later and we still have not been matched to each other.  

 

I wonder if the algorithm somehow knows we are related.  I don’t think it asked 
for addresses.  Not even sure it asked for a last name.  

In any event I guess this must mean that we are not compatible...

 

Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

[Ken Hohhof]

I don’t think any of us here are “the media”, but just in case, presidential 
advisor Steve Bannon said in an interview yesterday (and asked to be quoted) 
that the media should “keep its mouth shut”.

 

At least the interview was with a newspaper.  I think keeping your mouth shut 
would be problematic for radio and TV.  Radio for sure, TV could maybe do 
charades.

 

And I applaud Bannon’s newfound professionalism, not using the term “pie hole”.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 2:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

 

Kind of jumping around in the decades there Gino...

 

-bp

 

On Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:37 AM, Josh Reynolds mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com> > wrote:

 

Excellent choices

 

On Jan 26, 2017 12:53 PM, "Gino Villarini" mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> > wrote:

Sex Pistols, Ramones, Dead Kennedys, The Clash, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath … 

 

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> > on behalf of Ken 
Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com  " mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Date: Thursday, January 26, 2017 at 2:34 PM
To: "af@afmug.com  " mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

 

H, I don’t remember the 70’s for good music.  Were you a Bee Gees fan?  
Donna Summer?  I guess there were a few good songs (Hotel California?), but 
nothing like the 60’s.

 

Also, 1969 was the last year of the first generation Camaros.  The past few 
years they’ve gone back to referencing some of the body style points of the 
originals.  I do have to say I like Mary Barra, who evidently feels no need to 
suck up to the Trumpster like some other auto CEOs.  It probably helps that GM 
has a pretty strong lineup at the moment, including some of the cars from the 
GM Korea design center like Spark/Sonic/Trax.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

 

They killed the draft right before I turned draft age.  What a relief.  

In my mind the late 70s were pretty ideal.  Good music, girls.   oh 
man.  STDs were more of a bother than life threatening...   Had a brand new 
Z28 Camaro.  Ronald Reagan was making headway with the USSR.

 

Interest rates were high though, I had certificates of deposit earning 
something like 14%.  

 


 

Gino Villarini


President


Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968



From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 5:17 PM

To:af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

 

The people who want to make America great again, I’m unclear on exactly when 
that was?   Usually the assumption is around 50 years ago, but All In The 
Family was set in the 60’s, and it seems that Archie Bunker had the exact same 
gripes then.

 

Obviously there were no SFPs then, so what is the missing ingredient?  Glenn 
Miller?  That would be around 1940.

 

I will tell you that I turned draft age in 1968, and there were some 
not-so-great things about the 60’s.  My kids however assume that was before 
sex, drugs and rock&roll, apparently they have not seen any Austin Powers 
movies.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 5:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

 

 



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 





  _  


From: "Josh Luthman" mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >
To: af@afmug.com  
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 3:58:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

Only one of them have an SFP.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 4:56 PM, Paul McCall mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net> > wrote:

Mimosa B11s vs UNBT AF-11X.  Getting ready to deploy some 11 Ghz wireless links 
 here

 

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800  

pa...@pdmnet.net  

www.pdmnet.com  

www.floridabroadband.com  

 

 

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

[Mathew Howard]

Half of what the government does is for show... that doesn't necessarily
mean it's a waste.

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Robert Andrews 
wrote:

> The DMZ is a good example of the right technology that means you don't
> actually need a wall.   And that the wall all some odd billions of it is
> going to be for show.   The ONLY way that people can be kept from crossing
> is at a threat of death.  I don't think we want to become that country...
>
> On 01/26/2017 11:00 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
>> When you said minefield I immediately thought of the Korean DMZ. Another
>> example of successful border wall.
>> Hadrian's Wall divided Roman England for hundreds of years.
>>
>> Are there any two countries at peace who have a wall between them?
>> Mexicans will have to assume that we hate them.
>>
>> The drug cartels will dig a tunnel, or use boats, or airplanes, or hot
>> air balloons, or whatever.  They make too much money to let a little
>> wall stop them.  While they're carrying the cocaine over they can make
>> room for a few passengers.  Once we've spent $20 billion on our 3200km
>> wall, now we've got to monitor and maintain 3200km worth of wall.
>>
>> On the surface it seems absurd.  If I perform some in depth research
>> will I learn that there's a good reason to do this, or will I learn that
>> some politicians are not able to detect obvious absurdity?
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 1/26/2017 1:40:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct
>> story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington
>> Post
>>
>> Mine fields do a pretty good job.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:39 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true,
>>> correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The
>>> Washington Post
>>>
>>> Last successful wall to seriously keep people on one side or the
>>> other... Berlin   Do we really want machine gun nests with
>>> overlapping fields of fire and land mines?   ( yes I am a troll too,
>>> sometimes )...
>>>
>>> On 01/26/2017 10:21 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>
 I am just suggesting that is a pile of crap to manage, it must take
 quite a few people.  I think he is a successful manager of a large bunch
 of organizations.
 To do that you have to be able to make decisions and move to the next
 item on the list.
 As far as being in over your head as a president, there are a bazillion
 little things that you would not know.  For example, go build the wall.
 OK are you going to obtain easements, are you going to do eminent
 domain, are you going to put on in Mexico without permission?
 Are you going to obey NEPA laws?  Things like that.  I know about NEPA,
 am pretty much a NEPA expert when it comes to putting fiber lines in
 public lands, but almost nobody knows this stuff.  I am sure there are
 parallels in every thing a president touches.  Laws and regs that must
 be obeyed.
 Then, you have all the intel and secret stuff that probably dumps on you
 first day in office.  All kinds of selecting the best of two bad
 situations.  Homeland type of crap.
 Then they pull out the UFO file.
 I don’t think anyone is prepared.  Yeah, Ike was probably the best
 prepared.  Governors are probably better prepared than Senators.
 You gotta pick good experts to advise you and hope for the best.
 *From:* Ken Hohhof
 *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:13 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true,
 correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The
 Washington Post

 Does he give one of his lieutenants free reign over that Central Park
 merry-go-round?

 I think a lot of those deals are either licensing his name, or providing
 management services.  Both essentially pure profit.  I’m not saying he’s
 stupid.

 *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
 *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:01 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true,
 correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The
 Washington Post

 Whole pile of companies and properties:

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trump_Organization

 Looks like a large outfit to me.

 *From:*Ken Hohhof

 *Sent:*Thursday, January 26, 2017 10:57 AM

 *To:*af@afmug.com

 *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct
 story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The
 Washington Post

 Well, I’m not sure Eisenhower was in over his head.  More like a
 vacation after his previous job.

>

[AFMUG] Looking for a cable gland/bulkhead port to wrap around an already fabricated cable

[Eric Kuhnke]

I'm looking for a cable gland suitable for the diameter of outdoor
cat5e/cat6, which can be wrapped around the left side of this cable,
without cutting or unplugging the cable:

https://reolink.com/images/shop/diagram/420/2.png

The breakout/fanout cable including the unused reset switch and DC barrel
jack will be located inside a small plastic junction box near the camera.

Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

[Robert Andrews]

The DMZ is a good example of the right technology that means you don't 
actually need a wall.   And that the wall all some odd billions of it is 
going to be for show.   The ONLY way that people can be kept from 
crossing is at a threat of death.  I don't think we want to become that 
country...


On 01/26/2017 11:00 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

When you said minefield I immediately thought of the Korean DMZ. Another
example of successful border wall.
Hadrian's Wall divided Roman England for hundreds of years.

Are there any two countries at peace who have a wall between them?
Mexicans will have to assume that we hate them.

The drug cartels will dig a tunnel, or use boats, or airplanes, or hot
air balloons, or whatever.  They make too much money to let a little
wall stop them.  While they're carrying the cocaine over they can make
room for a few passengers.  Once we've spent $20 billion on our 3200km
wall, now we've got to monitor and maintain 3200km worth of wall.

On the surface it seems absurd.  If I perform some in depth research
will I learn that there's a good reason to do this, or will I learn that
some politicians are not able to detect obvious absurdity?


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 1/26/2017 1:40:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct
story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post


Mine fields do a pretty good job.

-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true,
correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The
Washington Post

Last successful wall to seriously keep people on one side or the
other... Berlin   Do we really want machine gun nests with
overlapping fields of fire and land mines?   ( yes I am a troll too,
sometimes )...

On 01/26/2017 10:21 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I am just suggesting that is a pile of crap to manage, it must take
quite a few people.  I think he is a successful manager of a large bunch
of organizations.
To do that you have to be able to make decisions and move to the next
item on the list.
As far as being in over your head as a president, there are a bazillion
little things that you would not know.  For example, go build the wall.
OK are you going to obtain easements, are you going to do eminent
domain, are you going to put on in Mexico without permission?
Are you going to obey NEPA laws?  Things like that.  I know about NEPA,
am pretty much a NEPA expert when it comes to putting fiber lines in
public lands, but almost nobody knows this stuff.  I am sure there are
parallels in every thing a president touches.  Laws and regs that must
be obeyed.
Then, you have all the intel and secret stuff that probably dumps on you
first day in office.  All kinds of selecting the best of two bad
situations.  Homeland type of crap.
Then they pull out the UFO file.
I don’t think anyone is prepared.  Yeah, Ike was probably the best
prepared.  Governors are probably better prepared than Senators.
You gotta pick good experts to advise you and hope for the best.
*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:13 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true,
correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The
Washington Post

Does he give one of his lieutenants free reign over that Central Park
merry-go-round?

I think a lot of those deals are either licensing his name, or providing
management services.  Both essentially pure profit.  I’m not saying he’s
stupid.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:01 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true,
correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The
Washington Post

Whole pile of companies and properties:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trump_Organization

Looks like a large outfit to me.

*From:*Ken Hohhof

*Sent:*Thursday, January 26, 2017 10:57 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct
story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The
Washington Post

Well, I’m not sure Eisenhower was in over his head.  More like a
vacation after his previous job.

As far as Trump being a brilliant businessman, he’s more like a brand
licenser and reality TV host now that (almost) nobody will loan him
money anymore.  I remember him being more of a laughingstock in the 80’s
due to his serial bankruptcies.  His modus operandi seems to be:

1) Create chaos

2) Send in the lawyers

…

PROFIT!

If you are willing to be ruthless and screw over your partners, vendors,
and fellow investors, there is always profit to be made.  Until people
wise up and won’t deal with you.  Then you only have one option
remaining – run for elected office.

I also

Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

[Robert Andrews]

Sounds like voter fraud...

On 01/26/2017 01:40 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

I vote for showboat.


On Thursday, January 26, 2017 1:04 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
 wrote:


i stand corrected 23 times in 8 years is actually a pretty good clip
Ill even give a bow maybe he didnt do it for photo ops thats why i only
knew of the 2 times

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 3:00 PM, Darren Shea mailto:darr...@ecpi.com>> wrote:

You mean, like President Obama?
__ __
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/ 11/29/us/politics/obama-
walter-reed-military.html?_r=0


__ __
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy /sarcasm
*Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:52 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true,
correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The
Washington Post
__ __
it will be nice to have a president who regularly does that again
__ __
On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 12:45 PM, Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
When he has to visit soldiers in a hospital that got messed up
during an operation he authorized, perhaps some humanity will soak
in. 

*From:*Ken Hohhof 
*Sent:*Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:43 AM
*To:*af@afmug.com  
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true,
correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The
Washington Post

But his nickname is “micromanager in chief”.

I have to wonder though, when he flits in, spends 10 minutes
inserting himself into the Air Force One or F-35 contract process,
then flits back out and pretends he accomplished a lot.  Is that
micromanaging, or showboating?


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy /sarcasm
*Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:17 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true,
correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The
Washington Post

he doesnt think like a small business owner. do you think he knows
what the head of janitorial staff is doing day to day at any of his
facilities
do you even think he knows how much that guy is paid?
when something is that big, you dont have the time to micromanage
like an smb

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 12:13 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

Does he give one of his lieutenants free reign over that Central
Park merry-go-round?

I think a lot of those deals are either licensing his name, or
providing management services.  Both essentially pure profit.
I’m not saying he’s stupid.


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:01 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The
true, correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s
inauguration - The Washington Post

Whole pile of companies and properties:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ The_Trump_Organization


Looks like a large outfit to me. 

*From:*Ken Hohhof 
*Sent:*Thursday, January 26, 2017 10:57 AM
*To:*af@afmug.com  
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true,
correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration -
The Washington Post

Well, I’m not sure Eisenhower was in over his head.  More like a
vacation after his previous job.

As far as Trump being a brilliant businessman, he’s more like a
brand licenser and reality TV host now that (almost) nobody will
loan him money anymore.  I remember him being more of a
laughingstock in the 80’s due to his serial bankruptcies.  His
modus operandi seems to be:

1)  Create chaos
2)  Send in the lawyers
…
PROFIT!

If you are willing to be ruthless and screw over your partners,
vendors, and fellow investors, there is always profit to be
made.  Until people wise up and won’t deal with you.  Then you
only have one option remaining – run for elected office.

I also have a hard time envisioning The Trump Organiza

Re: [AFMUG] OT Pina Colada and long walks in the rain

[Dave]

WELCOME. To the MATRIX :)


On 01/26/2017 01:14 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
It's the science that proves eHarmony is not able to calculate matches 
is the point, I think.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 1:59 PM, Chuck McCown > wrote:


Yeah, I can see that.  But most of the preferences were the same
between us.  I was just trying to game it to produce a match.
I am very surprised at the quantity of matches we did get.  Holy
cow there are a lot of fairly local, similar age folks lookin’ for
love out there.
*From:* Travis Johnson
*Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:55 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Pina Colada and long walks in the rain
Compatibility between people doesn't necessarily mean same
preferences. Usually people with different characteristics are
actually better matched.

Travis


On 1/26/2017 11:42 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

For fun, my wife and I both got a free eHarmony account.  Worked
hard to have the exact same preferences.  Only differences is our
ages.
One week later and we still have not been matched to each other.
I wonder if the algorithm somehow knows we are related.  I don’t
think it asked for addresses.  Not even sure it asked for a last
name.
In any event I guess this must mean that we are not compatible...





--

Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

[Bill Prince]

I vote for showboat. 

On Thursday, January 26, 2017 1:04 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:
 

 i stand corrected 23 times in 8 years is actually a pretty good clipIll even 
give a bow maybe he didnt do it for photo ops thats why i only knew of the 2 
times
On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 3:00 PM, Darren Shea  wrote:

You mean, like President Obama? https://www.nytimes.com/2016/ 
11/29/us/politics/obama- walter-reed-military.html?_r=0 From: Af 
[mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story 
of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post it will 
be nice to have a president who regularly does that again On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 
at 12:45 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:When he has to visit soldiers 
in a hospital that got messed up during an operation he authorized, perhaps 
some humanity will soak in.   From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 
11:43 AMTo: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. 
The true, correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The 
Washington Post But his nickname is “micromanager in chief”. I have to wonder 
though, when he flits in, spends 10 minutes inserting himself into the Air 
Force One or F-35 contract process, then flits back out and pretends he 
accomplished a lot.  Is that micromanaging, or showboating?  From: Af 
[mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story 
of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post he doesnt 
think like a small business owner. do you think he knows what the head of 
janitorial staff is doing day to day at any of his facilitiesdo you even think 
he knows how much that guy is paid?when something is that big, you dont have 
the time to micromanage like an smb On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 12:13 PM, Ken 
Hohhof  wrote:
Does he give one of his lieutenants free reign over that Central Park 
merry-go-round? I think a lot of those deals are either licensing his name, or 
providing management services.  Both essentially pure profit.  I’m not saying 
he’s stupid.  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story 
of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post Whole 
pile of companies and properties:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ 
The_Trump_Organization Looks like a large outfit to me.   From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 10:57 AMTo: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: 
[AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story of what 
happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post Well, I’m not 
sure Eisenhower was in over his head.  More like a vacation after his previous 
job. As far as Trump being a brilliant businessman, he’s more like a brand 
licenser and reality TV host now that (almost) nobody will loan him money 
anymore.  I remember him being more of a laughingstock in the 80’s due to his 
serial bankruptcies.  His modus operandi seems to be: 1)  Create chaos2)  Send 
in the lawyers…PROFIT! If you are willing to be ruthless and screw over your 
partners, vendors, and fellow investors, there is always profit to be made.  
Until people wise up and won’t deal with you.  Then you only have one option 
remaining – run for elected office. I also have a hard time envisioning The 
Trump Organization as a very large organization with hundreds of divisions.  
More like Russian nesting dolls for tax purposes.  Articles I have read about 
their offices in Trump Tower say it is pretty spartan.  And as far as turning 
over day-to-day management to his sons, you don’t think that already happened 
over the years?  Well, at least Don Jr.  Like SNL says, “and I’m Eric”.  Maybe 
I’m judging him harshly because he looks so strange, wasn’t he Odo on Star 
Trek? I’m sorry, I just don’t see DJT as a business magnate in the same class 
with Jack Welch or Warren Buffett.  If you pull any list of the top NYC real 
estate developers, Trump won’t even be on the list.  That’s why the actual real 
estate magnates hold him in such low regard.  Not that their opinion is 
necessarily more important than your average swamp critter.  From: Af 
[mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:14 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story 
of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post I think 
all presidents quickly realize they are in over their head.  No way you can 
actually be prepared for the job. But one thing that Trump has going for him is 
the proven ability to organ

Re: [AFMUG] OT Pina Colada and long walks in the rain

[Chris Wright]

If eHarmony’s algorithm was supposed to match people that were most alike, it 
would have been called eMelody.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pina Colada and long walks in the rain

They all looked pretty legit.

Hey, worked out OK for Napoleon Dynamite’s brother.

From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pina Colada and long walks in the rain

But are they chatbots like on Ashley Madison?

(My son refuses to believe his “Internet girlfriend” is probably a 300 lb 
tranny in Thailand who will eventually want him to wire money for an airline 
ticket.  Hah!  Like he has any money.)


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 1:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pina Colada and long walks in the rain

Yeah, I can see that.  But most of the preferences were the same between us.  I 
was just trying to game it to produce a match.
I am very surprised at the quantity of matches we did get.  Holy cow there are 
a lot of fairly local, similar age folks lookin’ for love out there.

From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pina Colada and long walks in the rain

Compatibility between people doesn't necessarily mean same preferences. Usually 
people with different characteristics are actually better matched.

Travis
On 1/26/2017 11:42 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
For fun, my wife and I both got a free eHarmony account.  Worked hard to have 
the exact same preferences.  Only differences is our ages.
One week later and we still have not been matched to each other.

I wonder if the algorithm somehow knows we are related.  I don’t think it asked 
for addresses.  Not even sure it asked for a last name.
In any event I guess this must mean that we are not compatible...

Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

i stand corrected 23 times in 8 years is actually a pretty good clip
Ill even give a bow maybe he didnt do it for photo ops thats why i only
knew of the 2 times

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 3:00 PM, Darren Shea  wrote:

> You mean, like President Obama?
>
>
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/29/us/politics/obama-
> walter-reed-military.html?_r=0
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:52 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true,
> correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The
> Washington Post
>
>
>
> it will be nice to have a president who regularly does that again
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 12:45 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> When he has to visit soldiers in a hospital that got messed up during an
> operation he authorized, perhaps some humanity will soak in.
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:43 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct
> story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post
>
>
>
> But his nickname is “micromanager in chief”.
>
>
>
> I have to wonder though, when he flits in, spends 10 minutes inserting
> himself into the Air Force One or F-35 contract process, then flits back
> out and pretends he accomplished a lot.  Is that micromanaging, or
> showboating?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:17 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true,
> correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The
> Washington Post
>
>
>
> he doesnt think like a small business owner. do you think he knows what
> the head of janitorial staff is doing day to day at any of his facilities
>
> do you even think he knows how much that guy is paid?
>
> when something is that big, you dont have the time to micromanage like an
> smb
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 12:13 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Does he give one of his lieutenants free reign over that Central Park
> merry-go-round?
>
>
>
> I think a lot of those deals are either licensing his name, or providing
> management services.  Both essentially pure profit.  I’m not saying he’s
> stupid.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:01 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true,
> correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The
> Washington Post
>
>
>
> Whole pile of companies and properties:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trump_Organization
>
>
>
> Looks like a large outfit to me.
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 10:57 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct
> story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post
>
>
>
> Well, I’m not sure Eisenhower was in over his head.  More like a vacation
> after his previous job.
>
>
>
> As far as Trump being a brilliant businessman, he’s more like a brand
> licenser and reality TV host now that (almost) nobody will loan him money
> anymore.  I remember him being more of a laughingstock in the 80’s due to
> his serial bankruptcies.  His modus operandi seems to be:
>
>
>
> 1)  Create chaos
>
> 2)  Send in the lawyers
>
> …
>
> PROFIT!
>
>
>
> If you are willing to be ruthless and screw over your partners, vendors,
> and fellow investors, there is always profit to be made.  Until people wise
> up and won’t deal with you.  Then you only have one option remaining – run
> for elected office.
>
>
>
> I also have a hard time envisioning The Trump Organization as a very large
> organization with hundreds of divisions.  More like Russian nesting dolls
> for tax purposes.  Articles I have read about their offices in Trump Tower
> say it is pretty spartan.  And as far as turning over day-to-day management
> to his sons, you don’t think that already happened over the years?  Well,
> at least Don Jr.  Like SNL says, “and I’m Eric”.  Maybe I’m judging him
> harshly because he looks so strange, wasn’t he Odo on Star Trek?
>
>
>
> I’m sorry, I just don’t see DJT as a business magnate in the same class
> with Jack Welch or Warren Buffett.  If you pull any list of the top NYC
> real estate developers, Trump won’t even be on the list.  That’s why the
> actual real estate magnates hold him in such low regard.  Not that their
> opinion is necessarily more important than your average swamp critter.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:14 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true,
> correct story of what 

Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

[Darren Shea]

You mean, like President Obama?

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/29/us/politics/obama-walter-reed-military.html?_r=0

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story 
of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

 

it will be nice to have a president who regularly does that again

 

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 12:45 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

When he has to visit soldiers in a hospital that got messed up during an 
operation he authorized, perhaps some humanity will soak in.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:43 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story 
of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

 

But his nickname is “micromanager in chief”.

 

I have to wonder though, when he flits in, spends 10 minutes inserting himself 
into the Air Force One or F-35 contract process, then flits back out and 
pretends he accomplished a lot.  Is that micromanaging, or showboating?

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story 
of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

 

he doesnt think like a small business owner. do you think he knows what the 
head of janitorial staff is doing day to day at any of his facilities

do you even think he knows how much that guy is paid?

when something is that big, you dont have the time to micromanage like an smb

 

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 12:13 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Does he give one of his lieutenants free reign over that Central Park 
merry-go-round?

 

I think a lot of those deals are either licensing his name, or providing 
management services.  Both essentially pure profit.  I’m not saying he’s stupid.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story 
of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

 

Whole pile of companies and properties:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trump_Organization

 

Looks like a large outfit to me.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 10:57 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story 
of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

 

Well, I’m not sure Eisenhower was in over his head.  More like a vacation after 
his previous job.

 

As far as Trump being a brilliant businessman, he’s more like a brand licenser 
and reality TV host now that (almost) nobody will loan him money anymore.  I 
remember him being more of a laughingstock in the 80’s due to his serial 
bankruptcies.  His modus operandi seems to be:

 

1)  Create chaos

2)  Send in the lawyers

…

PROFIT!

 

If you are willing to be ruthless and screw over your partners, vendors, and 
fellow investors, there is always profit to be made.  Until people wise up and 
won’t deal with you.  Then you only have one option remaining – run for elected 
office.

 

I also have a hard time envisioning The Trump Organization as a very large 
organization with hundreds of divisions.  More like Russian nesting dolls for 
tax purposes.  Articles I have read about their offices in Trump Tower say it 
is pretty spartan.  And as far as turning over day-to-day management to his 
sons, you don’t think that already happened over the years?  Well, at least Don 
Jr.  Like SNL says, “and I’m Eric”.  Maybe I’m judging him harshly because he 
looks so strange, wasn’t he Odo on Star Trek?

 

I’m sorry, I just don’t see DJT as a business magnate in the same class with 
Jack Welch or Warren Buffett.  If you pull any list of the top NYC real estate 
developers, Trump won’t even be on the list.  That’s why the actual real estate 
magnates hold him in such low regard.  Not that their opinion is necessarily 
more important than your average swamp critter.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:14 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story 
of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

 

I think all presidents quickly realize they are in over their head.  No way you 
can actually be prepared for the job.

 

But one thing that Trump has going for him is the proven ability to organize 
and run very large organizations with hundreds of divisions.  

No way he could have been successful in the business world without the ability 
to give his lieutenants free reign. 

 

He is an ass, an megaloma

Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

[Bill Prince]

Kind of jumping around in the decades there Gino...
-bp 

On Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:37 AM, Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:
 

 Excellent choices
On Jan 26, 2017 12:53 PM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:

Sex Pistols, Ramones, Dead Kennedys, The Clash, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath … 
From: Af  on behalf of Ken Hohhof 
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Thursday, January 26, 2017 at 2:34 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

H, I don’t remember the 70’s for good music.  Were you a Bee Gees fan?  
Donna Summer?  I guess there were a few good songs (Hotel California?), but 
nothing like the 60’s. Also, 1969 was the last year of the first generation 
Camaros.  The past few years they’ve gone back to referencing some of the body 
style points of the originals.  I do have to say I like Mary Barra, who 
evidently feels no need to suck up to the Trumpster like some other auto CEOs.  
It probably helps that GM has a pretty strong lineup at the moment, including 
some of the cars from the GM Korea design center like Spark/Sonic/Trax.  From: 
Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B They killed the draft right 
before I turned draft age.  What a relief. In my mind the late 70s were pretty 
ideal.  Good music, girls.   oh man.  STDs were more of a bother than 
life threatening...   Had a brand new Z28 Camaro.  Ronald Reagan was making 
headway with the USSR. Interest rates were high though, I had certificates of 
deposit earning something like 14%.  
|  Gino Villarini |
| President |
| Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 |

From: Ken HohhofSent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 5:17 
PMTo:af@afmug.comSubject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B The people who 
want to make America great again, I’m unclear on exactly when that was?   
Usually the assumption is around 50 years ago, but All In The Family was set in 
the 60’s, and it seems that Archie Bunker had the exact same gripes then. 
Obviously there were no SFPs then, so what is the missing ingredient?  Glenn 
Miller?  That would be around 1940. I will tell you that I turned draft age in 
1968, and there were some not-so-great things about the 60’s.  My kids however 
assume that was before sex, drugs and rock&roll, apparently they have not seen 
any Austin Powers movies.  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]On Behalf Of 
Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 5:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B  

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP



From:"Josh Luthman" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 3:58:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa BOnly one of them have an SFP.
 Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 4:56 PM, Paul McCall  
wrote:
Mimosa B11s vs UNBT AF-11X.  Getting ready to deploy some 11 Ghz wireless links 
 here Paul McCall, PresidentPDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.658 Old Dixie 
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[AFMUG] OT Lipreading of the coronation

[Chuck McCown]

https://youtu.be/gneBUA39mnI

Re: [AFMUG] OT Pina Colada and long walks in the rain

[Chuck McCown]

They all looked pretty legit.  

Hey, worked out OK for Napoleon Dynamite’s brother.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pina Colada and long walks in the rain

But are they chatbots like on Ashley Madison?

 

(My son refuses to believe his “Internet girlfriend” is probably a 300 lb 
tranny in Thailand who will eventually want him to wire money for an airline 
ticket.  Hah!  Like he has any money.)

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 1:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pina Colada and long walks in the rain

 

Yeah, I can see that.  But most of the preferences were the same between us.  I 
was just trying to game it to produce a match.  

I am very surprised at the quantity of matches we did get.  Holy cow there are 
a lot of fairly local, similar age folks lookin’ for love out there.  

 

From: Travis Johnson 

Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:55 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pina Colada and long walks in the rain

 

Compatibility between people doesn't necessarily mean same preferences. Usually 
people with different characteristics are actually better matched.

Travis



On 1/26/2017 11:42 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  For fun, my wife and I both got a free eHarmony account.  Worked hard to have 
the exact same preferences.  Only differences is our ages.

  One week later and we still have not been matched to each other.  

   

  I wonder if the algorithm somehow knows we are related.  I don’t think it 
asked for addresses.  Not even sure it asked for a last name.  

  In any event I guess this must mean that we are not compatible...

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Mein кокаин Rohr será быть gemacht con US STEEL!

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Been done in Southern New Mexico they used gas pipes to smuggle
> cocaine Drones and mules still most popular way besides just driving it
> over... Sadly some Border officials take bribes... Big case in south Texas
> with murder by Border Patrol officer..
>
> On Jan 26, 2017 12:19 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> once this wall is up, and the citizenship process is fixed (i dont know
>> why thats not in process, maybe it is with the while "extreme vetting") we
>> will have more mexicans coming in than ever. And they can actually make
>> real money, building pipelines to mexico for "oil". like an innerduct, the
>> bulk pipe for oil, the inner pipe for liquid cocaine. It will be beautiful,
>> bigly, great, biggest cocaine..er oil pipeline ever. We will have the
>> greatest cocai...er oil in the world. And whos gonna pay for the cocai.
>> oil? Mexico is
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 1:00 PM, Adam Moffett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> When you said minefield I immediately thought of the Korean DMZ.
>>> Another example of successful border wall.
>>> Hadrian's Wall divided Roman England for hundreds of years.
>>>
>>> Are there any two countries at peace who have a wall between them?
>>> Mexicans will have to assume that we hate them.
>>>
>>> The drug cartels will dig a tunnel, or use boats, or airplanes, or hot
>>> air balloons, or whatever.  They make too much money to let a little wall
>>> stop them.  While they're carrying the cocaine over they can make room for
>>> a few passengers.  Once we've spent $20 billion on our 3200km wall, now
>>> we've got to monitor and maintain 3200km worth of wall.
>>>
>>> On the surface it seems absurd.  If I perform some in depth research
>>> will I learn that there's a good reason to do this, or will I learn that
>>> some politicians are not able to detect obvious absurdity?
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: 1/26/2017 1:40:25 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct
>>> story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post
>>>
>>> Mine fields do a pretty good job.

 -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
 Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:39 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true,
 correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The
 Washington Post

 Last successful wall to seriously keep people on one side or the
 other... Berlin   Do we really want machine gun nests with
 overlapping fields of fire and land mines?   ( yes I am a troll too,
 sometimes )...

 On 01/26/2017 10:21 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

> I am just suggesting that is a pile of crap to manage, it must take
> quite a few people.  I think he is a successful manager of a large
> bunch
> of organizations.
> To do that you have to be able to make decisions and move to the next
> item on the list.
> As far as being in over your head as a president, there are a bazillion
> little things that you would not know.  For example, go build the wall.
> OK are you going to obtain easements, are you going to do eminent
> domain, are you going to put on in Mexico without permission?
> Are you going to obey NEPA laws?  Things like that.  I know about NEPA,
> am pretty much a NEPA expert when it comes to putting fiber lines in
> public lands, but almost nobody knows this stuff.  I am sure there are
> parallels in every thing a president touches.  Laws and regs that must
> be obeyed.
> Then, you have all the intel and secret stuff that probably dumps on
> you
> first day in office.  All kinds of selecting the best of two bad
> situations.  Homeland type of crap.
> Then they pull out the UFO file.
> I don’t think anyone is prepared.  Yeah, Ike was probably the best
> prepared.  Governors are probably better prepared than Senators.
> You gotta pick good experts to advise you and hope for the best.
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:13 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true,
> correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The
> Washington Post
>
> Does he give one of his lieutenants free reign over that Central Park
> merry-go-round?
>
> I think a lot of those deals are either licensing his name, or
> providing
> management services.  Both essentially pure profit.  I’m not saying
> he’s
> stupid.
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:01 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Pina Colada and long walks in the rain

[Ken Hohhof]

But are they chatbots like on Ashley Madison?

 

(My son refuses to believe his “Internet girlfriend” is probably a 300 lb 
tranny in Thailand who will eventually want him to wire money for an airline 
ticket.  Hah!  Like he has any money.)

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 1:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pina Colada and long walks in the rain

 

Yeah, I can see that.  But most of the preferences were the same between us.  I 
was just trying to game it to produce a match.  

I am very surprised at the quantity of matches we did get.  Holy cow there are 
a lot of fairly local, similar age folks lookin’ for love out there.  

 

From: Travis Johnson 

Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:55 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pina Colada and long walks in the rain

 

Compatibility between people doesn't necessarily mean same preferences. Usually 
people with different characteristics are actually better matched.

Travis



On 1/26/2017 11:42 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

For fun, my wife and I both got a free eHarmony account.  Worked hard to have 
the exact same preferences.  Only differences is our ages.

One week later and we still have not been matched to each other.  

 

I wonder if the algorithm somehow knows we are related.  I don’t think it asked 
for addresses.  Not even sure it asked for a last name.  

In any event I guess this must mean that we are not compatible...

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

[Jaime Solorza]

Been done in Southern New Mexico they used gas pipes to smuggle
cocaine Drones and mules still most popular way besides just driving it
over... Sadly some Border officials take bribes... Big case in south Texas
with murder by Border Patrol officer..

On Jan 26, 2017 12:19 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> once this wall is up, and the citizenship process is fixed (i dont know
> why thats not in process, maybe it is with the while "extreme vetting") we
> will have more mexicans coming in than ever. And they can actually make
> real money, building pipelines to mexico for "oil". like an innerduct, the
> bulk pipe for oil, the inner pipe for liquid cocaine. It will be beautiful,
> bigly, great, biggest cocaine..er oil pipeline ever. We will have the
> greatest cocai...er oil in the world. And whos gonna pay for the cocai.
> oil? Mexico is
>
> On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 1:00 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> When you said minefield I immediately thought of the Korean DMZ.  Another
>> example of successful border wall.
>> Hadrian's Wall divided Roman England for hundreds of years.
>>
>> Are there any two countries at peace who have a wall between them?
>> Mexicans will have to assume that we hate them.
>>
>> The drug cartels will dig a tunnel, or use boats, or airplanes, or hot
>> air balloons, or whatever.  They make too much money to let a little wall
>> stop them.  While they're carrying the cocaine over they can make room for
>> a few passengers.  Once we've spent $20 billion on our 3200km wall, now
>> we've got to monitor and maintain 3200km worth of wall.
>>
>> On the surface it seems absurd.  If I perform some in depth research will
>> I learn that there's a good reason to do this, or will I learn that some
>> politicians are not able to detect obvious absurdity?
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 1/26/2017 1:40:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct
>> story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post
>>
>> Mine fields do a pretty good job.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:39 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct
>>> story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post
>>>
>>> Last successful wall to seriously keep people on one side or the
>>> other... Berlin   Do we really want machine gun nests with
>>> overlapping fields of fire and land mines?   ( yes I am a troll too,
>>> sometimes )...
>>>
>>> On 01/26/2017 10:21 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>
 I am just suggesting that is a pile of crap to manage, it must take
 quite a few people.  I think he is a successful manager of a large bunch
 of organizations.
 To do that you have to be able to make decisions and move to the next
 item on the list.
 As far as being in over your head as a president, there are a bazillion
 little things that you would not know.  For example, go build the wall.
 OK are you going to obtain easements, are you going to do eminent
 domain, are you going to put on in Mexico without permission?
 Are you going to obey NEPA laws?  Things like that.  I know about NEPA,
 am pretty much a NEPA expert when it comes to putting fiber lines in
 public lands, but almost nobody knows this stuff.  I am sure there are
 parallels in every thing a president touches.  Laws and regs that must
 be obeyed.
 Then, you have all the intel and secret stuff that probably dumps on you
 first day in office.  All kinds of selecting the best of two bad
 situations.  Homeland type of crap.
 Then they pull out the UFO file.
 I don’t think anyone is prepared.  Yeah, Ike was probably the best
 prepared.  Governors are probably better prepared than Senators.
 You gotta pick good experts to advise you and hope for the best.
 *From:* Ken Hohhof
 *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:13 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true,
 correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The
 Washington Post

 Does he give one of his lieutenants free reign over that Central Park
 merry-go-round?

 I think a lot of those deals are either licensing his name, or providing
 management services.  Both essentially pure profit.  I’m not saying he’s
 stupid.

 *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
 *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:01 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true,
 correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The
 Washington Post

 Whole pile of companies and properties:

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trump_Organization

 Looks like a

Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

[Josh Reynolds]

Excellent choices

On Jan 26, 2017 12:53 PM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:

> Sex Pistols, Ramones, Dead Kennedys, The Clash, Led Zeppelin, Black
> Sabbath …
>
> From: Af  on behalf of Ken Hohhof 
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Thursday, January 26, 2017 at 2:34 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B
>
> H, I don’t remember the 70’s for good music.  Were you a Bee Gees
> fan?  Donna Summer?  I guess there were a few good songs (Hotel
> California?), but nothing like the 60’s.
>
>
>
> Also, 1969 was the last year of the first generation Camaros.  The past
> few years they’ve gone back to referencing some of the body style points of
> the originals.  I do have to say I like Mary Barra, who evidently feels no
> need to suck up to the Trumpster like some other auto CEOs.  It probably
> helps that GM has a pretty strong lineup at the moment, including some of
> the cars from the GM Korea design center like Spark/Sonic/Trax.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:01 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B
>
>
>
> They killed the draft right before I turned draft age.  What a relief.
>
> In my mind the late 70s were pretty ideal.  Good music, girls.   oh
> man.  STDs were more of a bother than life threatening...   Had a brand
> new Z28 Camaro.  Ronald Reagan was making headway with the USSR.
>
>
>
> Interest rates were high though, I had certificates of deposit earning
> something like 14%.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 25, 2017 5:17 PM
>
> *To:*af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B
>
>
>
> The people who want to make America great again, I’m unclear on exactly
> when that was?   Usually the assumption is around 50 years ago, but All In
> The Family was set in the 60’s, and it seems that Archie Bunker had the
> exact same gripes then.
>
>
>
> Obviously there were no SFPs then, so what is the missing ingredient?
> Glenn Miller?  That would be around 1940.
>
>
>
> I will tell you that I turned draft age in 1968, and there were some
> not-so-great things about the 60’s.  My kids however assume that was before
> sex, drugs and rock&roll, apparently they have not seen any Austin Powers
> movies.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 25, 2017 5:43 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -
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> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
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> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 25, 2017 3:58:23 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B
>
> Only one of them have an SFP.
>
>
>
>
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> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
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>
>
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>
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> links  here
>
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>
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>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

[Robert Andrews]

We already have gas/oil pipelines to Mexico, but they are predicted to 
double in volume in a year...  Construction not impeded by Native 
Americans...


On 01/26/2017 11:19 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

once this wall is up, and the citizenship process is fixed (i dont know
why thats not in process, maybe it is with the while "extreme vetting")
we will have more mexicans coming in than ever. And they can actually
make real money, building pipelines to mexico for "oil". like an
innerduct, the bulk pipe for oil, the inner pipe for liquid cocaine. It
will be beautiful, bigly, great, biggest cocaine..er oil pipeline ever.
We will have the greatest cocai...er oil in the world. And whos gonna
pay for the cocai. oil? Mexico is

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 1:00 PM, Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

When you said minefield I immediately thought of the Korean DMZ.
Another example of successful border wall.
Hadrian's Wall divided Roman England for hundreds of years.

Are there any two countries at peace who have a wall between them?
Mexicans will have to assume that we hate them.

The drug cartels will dig a tunnel, or use boats, or airplanes, or
hot air balloons, or whatever.  They make too much money to let a
little wall stop them.  While they're carrying the cocaine over they
can make room for a few passengers.  Once we've spent $20 billion on
our 3200km wall, now we've got to monitor and maintain 3200km worth
of wall.

On the surface it seems absurd.  If I perform some in depth research
will I learn that there's a good reason to do this, or will I learn
that some politicians are not able to detect obvious absurdity?


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 1/26/2017 1:40:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true,
correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The
Washington Post

Mine fields do a pretty good job.

-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true,
correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration -
The Washington Post

Last successful wall to seriously keep people on one side or the
other... Berlin   Do we really want machine gun nests with
overlapping fields of fire and land mines?   ( yes I am a troll too,
sometimes )...

On 01/26/2017 10:21 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I am just suggesting that is a pile of crap to manage, it
must take
quite a few people.  I think he is a successful manager of a
large bunch
of organizations.
To do that you have to be able to make decisions and move to
the next
item on the list.
As far as being in over your head as a president, there are
a bazillion
little things that you would not know.  For example, go
build the wall.
OK are you going to obtain easements, are you going to do
eminent
domain, are you going to put on in Mexico without permission?
Are you going to obey NEPA laws?  Things like that.  I know
about NEPA,
am pretty much a NEPA expert when it comes to putting fiber
lines in
public lands, but almost nobody knows this stuff.  I am sure
there are
parallels in every thing a president touches.  Laws and regs
that must
be obeyed.
Then, you have all the intel and secret stuff that probably
dumps on you
first day in office.  All kinds of selecting the best of two bad
situations.  Homeland type of crap.
Then they pull out the UFO file.
I don’t think anyone is prepared.  Yeah, Ike was probably
the best
prepared.  Governors are probably better prepared than Senators.
You gotta pick good experts to advise you and hope for the best.
*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:13 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The
true,
correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s
inauguration - The
Washington Post

Does he give one of his lieutenants free reign over that
Central Park
merry-go-round?

I think a lot of those deals are either licensing his name,
or providing
management services.  Both essentially pure profit.  I’m not
saying he’s
 

Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

[Josh Reynolds]

Like Obama? :P

On Jan 26, 2017 12:51 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> it will be nice to have a president who regularly does that again
>
> On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 12:45 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> When he has to visit soldiers in a hospital that got messed up during an
>> operation he authorized, perhaps some humanity will soak in.
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:43 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true,
>> correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The
>> Washington Post
>>
>>
>> But his nickname is “micromanager in chief”.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have to wonder though, when he flits in, spends 10 minutes inserting
>> himself into the Air Force One or F-35 contract process, then flits back
>> out and pretends he accomplished a lot.  Is that micromanaging, or
>> showboating?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
>> /sarcasm
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:17 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true,
>> correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The
>> Washington Post
>>
>>
>>
>> he doesnt think like a small business owner. do you think he knows what
>> the head of janitorial staff is doing day to day at any of his facilities
>>
>> do you even think he knows how much that guy is paid?
>>
>> when something is that big, you dont have the time to micromanage like an
>> smb
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 12:13 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> Does he give one of his lieutenants free reign over that Central Park
>> merry-go-round?
>>
>>
>>
>> I think a lot of those deals are either licensing his name, or providing
>> management services.  Both essentially pure profit.  I’m not saying he’s
>> stupid.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:01 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true,
>> correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The
>> Washington Post
>>
>>
>>
>> Whole pile of companies and properties:
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trump_Organization
>>
>>
>>
>> Looks like a large outfit to me.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 10:57 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true,
>> correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The
>> Washington Post
>>
>>
>>
>> Well, I’m not sure Eisenhower was in over his head.  More like a vacation
>> after his previous job.
>>
>>
>>
>> As far as Trump being a brilliant businessman, he’s more like a brand
>> licenser and reality TV host now that (almost) nobody will loan him money
>> anymore.  I remember him being more of a laughingstock in the 80’s due to
>> his serial bankruptcies.  His modus operandi seems to be:
>>
>>
>>
>> 1)  Create chaos
>>
>> 2)  Send in the lawyers
>>
>> …
>>
>> PROFIT!
>>
>>
>>
>> If you are willing to be ruthless and screw over your partners, vendors,
>> and fellow investors, there is always profit to be made.  Until people wise
>> up and won’t deal with you.  Then you only have one option remaining – run
>> for elected office.
>>
>>
>>
>> I also have a hard time envisioning The Trump Organization as a very
>> large organization with hundreds of divisions.  More like Russian nesting
>> dolls for tax purposes.  Articles I have read about their offices in Trump
>> Tower say it is pretty spartan.  And as far as turning over day-to-day
>> management to his sons, you don’t think that already happened over the
>> years?  Well, at least Don Jr.  Like SNL says, “and I’m Eric”.  Maybe I’m
>> judging him harshly because he looks so strange, wasn’t he Odo on Star Trek?
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m sorry, I just don’t see DJT as a business magnate in the same class
>> with Jack Welch or Warren Buffett.  If you pull any list of the top NYC
>> real estate developers, Trump won’t even be on the list.  That’s why the
>> actual real estate magnates hold him in such low regard.  Not that their
>> opinion is necessarily more important than your average swamp critter.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:14 AM
>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true,
>> correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The
>> Washington Post
>>
>>
>>
>> I think all presidents quickly realize they are in over their head.  No
>> way you can actually be prepared for the job.
>>
>>
>>
>> But one thing that Trump has going for him is the proven ability to
>> organize and run very large organizations with hundreds of divisions.
>>
>> No way he could have been successful in the business world without the
>> ability to give his lieutenants

Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

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> From: "Ken Hohhof" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 2:12:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

> I want to see photos of Gino at Woodstock!

> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:54 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

> Sex Pistols, Ramones, Dead Kennedys, The Clash, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath …

> From: Af < af-boun...@afmug.com > on behalf of Ken Hohhof < af...@kwisp.com >
> Reply-To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com >
> Date: Thursday, January 26, 2017 at 2:34 PM
> To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

> H, I don’t remember the 70’s for good music. Were you a Bee Gees fan? 
> Donna
> Summer? I guess there were a few good songs (Hotel California?), but nothing
> like the 60’s.

> Also, 1969 was the last year of the first generation Camaros. The past few 
> years
> they’ve gone back to referencing some of the body style points of the
> originals. I do have to say I like Mary Barra, who evidently feels no need to
> suck up to the Trumpster like some other auto CEOs. It probably helps that GM
> has a pretty strong lineup at the moment, including some of the cars from the
> GM Korea design center like Spark/Sonic/Trax.

> From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:01 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

> They killed the draft right before I turned draft age. What a relief.

> In my mind the late 70s were pretty ideal. Good music, girls. oh man.
> STDs were more of a bother than life threatening... Had a brand new Z28 
> Camaro.
> Ronald Reagan was making headway with the USSR.

> Interest rates were high though, I had certificates of deposit earning 
> something
> like 14%.

> Gino Villarini

> President

> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

> From: Ken Hohhof

> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 5:17 PM

> To: af@afmug.com

> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

> The people who want to make America great again, I’m unclear on exactly when
> that was? Usually the assumption is around 50 years ago, but All In The Family
> was set in the 60’s, and it seems that Archie Bunker had the exact same gripes
> then.

> Obviously there were no SFPs then, so what is the missing ingredient? Glenn
> Miller? That would be around 1940.

> I will tell you that I turned draft age in 1968, and there were some
> not-so-great things about the 60’s. My kids however assume that was before 
> sex,
> drugs and rock&roll, apparently they have not seen any Austin Powers movies.

> From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 5:43 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions

> Midwest Internet Exchange

> The Brothers WISP

> From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 3:58:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

> Only one of them have an SFP.

> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373

> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 4:56 PM, Paul McCall < pa...@pdmnet.net > wrote:
>> Mimosa B11s vs UNBT AF-11X. Getting ready to deploy some 11 Ghz wireless 
>> links
>> here

>> Paul McCall, President

>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

>> 658 Old Dixie Highway

>> Vero Beach, FL 32962

>> 772-564-6800

>> pa...@pdmnet.net

>> www.pdmnet.com

>> www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT Pina Colada and long walks in the rain

[Mathew Howard]

Or there are a lot of people doing the same thing you were...

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Yeah, I can see that.  But most of the preferences were the same between
> us.  I was just trying to game it to produce a match.
> I am very surprised at the quantity of matches we did get.  Holy cow there
> are a lot of fairly local, similar age folks lookin’ for love out there.
>
> *From:* Travis Johnson
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:55 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Pina Colada and long walks in the rain
>
> Compatibility between people doesn't necessarily mean same preferences.
> Usually people with different characteristics are actually better matched.
>
> Travis
>
>
> On 1/26/2017 11:42 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> For fun, my wife and I both got a free eHarmony account.  Worked hard to
> have the exact same preferences.  Only differences is our ages.
> One week later and we still have not been matched to each other.
>
> I wonder if the algorithm somehow knows we are related.  I don’t think it
> asked for addresses.  Not even sure it asked for a last name.
> In any event I guess this must mean that we are not compatible...
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

once this wall is up, and the citizenship process is fixed (i dont know why
thats not in process, maybe it is with the while "extreme vetting") we will
have more mexicans coming in than ever. And they can actually make real
money, building pipelines to mexico for "oil". like an innerduct, the bulk
pipe for oil, the inner pipe for liquid cocaine. It will be beautiful,
bigly, great, biggest cocaine..er oil pipeline ever. We will have the
greatest cocai...er oil in the world. And whos gonna pay for the cocai.
oil? Mexico is

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 1:00 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> When you said minefield I immediately thought of the Korean DMZ.  Another
> example of successful border wall.
> Hadrian's Wall divided Roman England for hundreds of years.
>
> Are there any two countries at peace who have a wall between them?
> Mexicans will have to assume that we hate them.
>
> The drug cartels will dig a tunnel, or use boats, or airplanes, or hot air
> balloons, or whatever.  They make too much money to let a little wall stop
> them.  While they're carrying the cocaine over they can make room for a few
> passengers.  Once we've spent $20 billion on our 3200km wall, now we've got
> to monitor and maintain 3200km worth of wall.
>
> On the surface it seems absurd.  If I perform some in depth research will
> I learn that there's a good reason to do this, or will I learn that some
> politicians are not able to detect obvious absurdity?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 1/26/2017 1:40:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct
> story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post
>
> Mine fields do a pretty good job.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
>> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:39 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct
>> story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post
>>
>> Last successful wall to seriously keep people on one side or the
>> other... Berlin   Do we really want machine gun nests with
>> overlapping fields of fire and land mines?   ( yes I am a troll too,
>> sometimes )...
>>
>> On 01/26/2017 10:21 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>>> I am just suggesting that is a pile of crap to manage, it must take
>>> quite a few people.  I think he is a successful manager of a large bunch
>>> of organizations.
>>> To do that you have to be able to make decisions and move to the next
>>> item on the list.
>>> As far as being in over your head as a president, there are a bazillion
>>> little things that you would not know.  For example, go build the wall.
>>> OK are you going to obtain easements, are you going to do eminent
>>> domain, are you going to put on in Mexico without permission?
>>> Are you going to obey NEPA laws?  Things like that.  I know about NEPA,
>>> am pretty much a NEPA expert when it comes to putting fiber lines in
>>> public lands, but almost nobody knows this stuff.  I am sure there are
>>> parallels in every thing a president touches.  Laws and regs that must
>>> be obeyed.
>>> Then, you have all the intel and secret stuff that probably dumps on you
>>> first day in office.  All kinds of selecting the best of two bad
>>> situations.  Homeland type of crap.
>>> Then they pull out the UFO file.
>>> I don’t think anyone is prepared.  Yeah, Ike was probably the best
>>> prepared.  Governors are probably better prepared than Senators.
>>> You gotta pick good experts to advise you and hope for the best.
>>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:13 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true,
>>> correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The
>>> Washington Post
>>>
>>> Does he give one of his lieutenants free reign over that Central Park
>>> merry-go-round?
>>>
>>> I think a lot of those deals are either licensing his name, or providing
>>> management services.  Both essentially pure profit.  I’m not saying he’s
>>> stupid.
>>>
>>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:01 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true,
>>> correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The
>>> Washington Post
>>>
>>> Whole pile of companies and properties:
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trump_Organization
>>>
>>> Looks like a large outfit to me.
>>>
>>> *From:*Ken Hohhof
>>>
>>> *Sent:*Thursday, January 26, 2017 10:57 AM
>>>
>>> *To:*af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct
>>>
>>> story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington
>>> Post
>>>
>>> Well, I’m not sure Eisenhower was in over his head.  More like a
>>> vacation after his previous job.
>>>
>>> As far as Trum

Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

[Chuck McCown]

It plays well with the toothless crowd.

-Original Message- 
From: Adam Moffett

Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct 
story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post


When you said minefield I immediately thought of the Korean DMZ.
Another example of successful border wall.
Hadrian's Wall divided Roman England for hundreds of years.

Are there any two countries at peace who have a wall between them?
Mexicans will have to assume that we hate them.

The drug cartels will dig a tunnel, or use boats, or airplanes, or hot
air balloons, or whatever.  They make too much money to let a little
wall stop them.  While they're carrying the cocaine over they can make
room for a few passengers.  Once we've spent $20 billion on our 3200km
wall, now we've got to monitor and maintain 3200km worth of wall.

On the surface it seems absurd.  If I perform some in depth research
will I learn that there's a good reason to do this, or will I learn that
some politicians are not able to detect obvious absurdity?


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 1/26/2017 1:40:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct
story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington
Post


Mine fields do a pretty good job.

-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct 
story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post


Last successful wall to seriously keep people on one side or the
other... Berlin   Do we really want machine gun nests with
overlapping fields of fire and land mines?   ( yes I am a troll too,
sometimes )...

On 01/26/2017 10:21 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I am just suggesting that is a pile of crap to manage, it must take
quite a few people.  I think he is a successful manager of a large bunch
of organizations.
To do that you have to be able to make decisions and move to the next
item on the list.
As far as being in over your head as a president, there are a bazillion
little things that you would not know.  For example, go build the wall.
OK are you going to obtain easements, are you going to do eminent
domain, are you going to put on in Mexico without permission?
Are you going to obey NEPA laws?  Things like that.  I know about NEPA,
am pretty much a NEPA expert when it comes to putting fiber lines in
public lands, but almost nobody knows this stuff.  I am sure there are
parallels in every thing a president touches.  Laws and regs that must
be obeyed.
Then, you have all the intel and secret stuff that probably dumps on you
first day in office.  All kinds of selecting the best of two bad
situations.  Homeland type of crap.
Then they pull out the UFO file.
I don’t think anyone is prepared.  Yeah, Ike was probably the best
prepared.  Governors are probably better prepared than Senators.
You gotta pick good experts to advise you and hope for the best.
*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:13 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true,
correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The
Washington Post

Does he give one of his lieutenants free reign over that Central Park
merry-go-round?

I think a lot of those deals are either licensing his name, or providing
management services.  Both essentially pure profit.  I’m not saying he’s
stupid.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:01 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true,
correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The
Washington Post

Whole pile of companies and properties:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trump_Organization

Looks like a large outfit to me.

*From:*Ken Hohhof

*Sent:*Thursday, January 26, 2017 10:57 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct
story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington 
Post


Well, I’m not sure Eisenhower was in over his head.  More like a
vacation after his previous job.

As far as Trump being a brilliant businessman, he’s more like a brand
licenser and reality TV host now that (almost) nobody will loan him
money anymore.  I remember him being more of a laughingstock in the 80’s
due to his serial bankruptcies.  His modus operandi seems to be:

1) Create chaos

2) Send in the lawyers

…

PROFIT!

If you are willing to be ruthless and screw over your partners, vendors,
and fellow investors, there is always profit to be made.  Until people
wise up and won’t deal with you.  Then you only have one option
remaining – run for elected office.

I also have a hard time envisioning The Trump 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Pina Colada and long walks in the rain

[Josh Luthman]

It's the science that proves eHarmony is not able to calculate matches is
the point, I think.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 1:59 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Yeah, I can see that.  But most of the preferences were the same between
> us.  I was just trying to game it to produce a match.
> I am very surprised at the quantity of matches we did get.  Holy cow there
> are a lot of fairly local, similar age folks lookin’ for love out there.
>
> *From:* Travis Johnson
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:55 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Pina Colada and long walks in the rain
>
> Compatibility between people doesn't necessarily mean same preferences.
> Usually people with different characteristics are actually better matched.
>
> Travis
>
>
> On 1/26/2017 11:42 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> For fun, my wife and I both got a free eHarmony account.  Worked hard to
> have the exact same preferences.  Only differences is our ages.
> One week later and we still have not been matched to each other.
>
> I wonder if the algorithm somehow knows we are related.  I don’t think it
> asked for addresses.  Not even sure it asked for a last name.
> In any event I guess this must mean that we are not compatible...
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

[Ken Hohhof]

I want to see photos of Gino at Woodstock!

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

 

Sex Pistols, Ramones, Dead Kennedys, The Clash, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath
. 

 

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> > on behalf of
Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com  " mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Date: Thursday, January 26, 2017 at 2:34 PM
To: "af@afmug.com  " mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

 

H, I don't remember the 70's for good music.  Were you a Bee Gees fan?
Donna Summer?  I guess there were a few good songs (Hotel California?), but
nothing like the 60's.

 

Also, 1969 was the last year of the first generation Camaros.  The past few
years they've gone back to referencing some of the body style points of the
originals.  I do have to say I like Mary Barra, who evidently feels no need
to suck up to the Trumpster like some other auto CEOs.  It probably helps
that GM has a pretty strong lineup at the moment, including some of the cars
from the GM Korea design center like Spark/Sonic/Trax.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

 

They killed the draft right before I turned draft age.  What a relief.  

In my mind the late 70s were pretty ideal.  Good music, girls.   oh
man.  STDs were more of a bother than life threatening...   Had a brand
new Z28 Camaro.  Ronald Reagan was making headway with the USSR.

 

Interest rates were high though, I had certificates of deposit earning
something like 14%.  

 


 

Gino Villarini


President


Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968



From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 5:17 PM

To:af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

 

The people who want to make America great again, I'm unclear on exactly when
that was?   Usually the assumption is around 50 years ago, but All In The
Family was set in the 60's, and it seems that Archie Bunker had the exact
same gripes then.

 

Obviously there were no SFPs then, so what is the missing ingredient?  Glenn
Miller?  That would be around 1940.

 

I will tell you that I turned draft age in 1968, and there were some
not-so-great things about the 60's.  My kids however assume that was before
sex, drugs and rock&roll, apparently they have not seen any Austin Powers
movies.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 5:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

 

 



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
 


 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
 

 
  The Brothers WISP
 
 




  _  

From: "Josh Luthman" mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >
To: af@afmug.com  
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 3:58:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

Only one of them have an SFP.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 4:56 PM, Paul McCall mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net> > wrote:

Mimosa B11s vs UNBT AF-11X.  Getting ready to deploy some 11 Ghz wireless
links  here

 

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800

pa...@pdmnet.net  

www.pdmnet.com  

www.floridabroadband.com  

 

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

[Jaime Solorza]

Uriah Heep,  Doobie Brothers, Kansas...
Chicago, BST, TOP, EWF


On Jan 26, 2017 11:34 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> H, I don’t remember the 70’s for good music.  Were you a Bee Gees
> fan?  Donna Summer?  I guess there were a few good songs (Hotel
> California?), but nothing like the 60’s.
>
>
>
> Also, 1969 was the last year of the first generation Camaros.  The past
> few years they’ve gone back to referencing some of the body style points of
> the originals.  I do have to say I like Mary Barra, who evidently feels no
> need to suck up to the Trumpster like some other auto CEOs.  It probably
> helps that GM has a pretty strong lineup at the moment, including some of
> the cars from the GM Korea design center like Spark/Sonic/Trax.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:01 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B
>
>
>
> They killed the draft right before I turned draft age.  What a relief.
>
> In my mind the late 70s were pretty ideal.  Good music, girls.   oh
> man.  STDs were more of a bother than life threatening...   Had a brand
> new Z28 Camaro.  Ronald Reagan was making headway with the USSR.
>
>
>
> Interest rates were high though, I had certificates of deposit earning
> something like 14%.
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 25, 2017 5:17 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B
>
>
>
> The people who want to make America great again, I’m unclear on exactly
> when that was?   Usually the assumption is around 50 years ago, but All In
> The Family was set in the 60’s, and it seems that Archie Bunker had the
> exact same gripes then.
>
>
>
> Obviously there were no SFPs then, so what is the missing ingredient?
> Glenn Miller?  That would be around 1940.
>
>
>
> I will tell you that I turned draft age in 1968, and there were some
> not-so-great things about the 60’s.  My kids however assume that was before
> sex, drugs and rock&roll, apparently they have not seen any Austin Powers
> movies.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 25, 2017 5:43 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 25, 2017 3:58:23 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B
>
> Only one of them have an SFP.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 4:56 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> Mimosa B11s vs UNBT AF-11X.  Getting ready to deploy some 11 Ghz wireless
> links  here
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <%28772%29%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

[Adam Moffett]

When you said minefield I immediately thought of the Korean DMZ.  
Another example of successful border wall.

Hadrian's Wall divided Roman England for hundreds of years.

Are there any two countries at peace who have a wall between them?  
Mexicans will have to assume that we hate them.


The drug cartels will dig a tunnel, or use boats, or airplanes, or hot 
air balloons, or whatever.  They make too much money to let a little 
wall stop them.  While they're carrying the cocaine over they can make 
room for a few passengers.  Once we've spent $20 billion on our 3200km 
wall, now we've got to monitor and maintain 3200km worth of wall.


On the surface it seems absurd.  If I perform some in depth research 
will I learn that there's a good reason to do this, or will I learn that 
some politicians are not able to detect obvious absurdity?



-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 1/26/2017 1:40:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct 
story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington 
Post



Mine fields do a pretty good job.

-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, 
correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The 
Washington Post


Last successful wall to seriously keep people on one side or the
other... Berlin   Do we really want machine gun nests with
overlapping fields of fire and land mines?   ( yes I am a troll too,
sometimes )...

On 01/26/2017 10:21 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I am just suggesting that is a pile of crap to manage, it must take
quite a few people.  I think he is a successful manager of a large 
bunch

of organizations.
To do that you have to be able to make decisions and move to the next
item on the list.
As far as being in over your head as a president, there are a 
bazillion
little things that you would not know.  For example, go build the 
wall.

OK are you going to obtain easements, are you going to do eminent
domain, are you going to put on in Mexico without permission?
Are you going to obey NEPA laws?  Things like that.  I know about 
NEPA,

am pretty much a NEPA expert when it comes to putting fiber lines in
public lands, but almost nobody knows this stuff.  I am sure there are
parallels in every thing a president touches.  Laws and regs that must
be obeyed.
Then, you have all the intel and secret stuff that probably dumps on 
you

first day in office.  All kinds of selecting the best of two bad
situations.  Homeland type of crap.
Then they pull out the UFO file.
I don’t think anyone is prepared.  Yeah, Ike was probably the best
prepared.  Governors are probably better prepared than Senators.
You gotta pick good experts to advise you and hope for the best.
*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:13 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true,
correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The
Washington Post

Does he give one of his lieutenants free reign over that Central Park
merry-go-round?

I think a lot of those deals are either licensing his name, or 
providing
management services.  Both essentially pure profit.  I’m not saying 
he’s

stupid.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:01 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true,
correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The
Washington Post

Whole pile of companies and properties:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trump_Organization

Looks like a large outfit to me.

*From:*Ken Hohhof

*Sent:*Thursday, January 26, 2017 10:57 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, 
correct
story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington 
Post


Well, I’m not sure Eisenhower was in over his head.  More like a
vacation after his previous job.

As far as Trump being a brilliant businessman, he’s more like a brand
licenser and reality TV host now that (almost) nobody will loan him
money anymore.  I remember him being more of a laughingstock in the 
80’s

due to his serial bankruptcies.  His modus operandi seems to be:

1) Create chaos

2) Send in the lawyers

…

PROFIT!

If you are willing to be ruthless and screw over your partners, 
vendors,

and fellow investors, there is always profit to be made.  Until people
wise up and won’t deal with you.  Then you only have one option
remaining – run for elected office.

I also have a hard time envisioning The Trump Organization as a very
large organization with hundreds of divisions.  More like Russian
nesting dolls for tax purposes.  Articles I have read about their
offices in Trump Tower say it is pretty spartan.  And as far as 
turning

over day-to-day management to his so

Re: [AFMUG] OT Pina Colada and long walks in the rain

[Chuck McCown]

Yeah, I can see that.  But most of the preferences were the same between us.  I 
was just trying to game it to produce a match.  
I am very surprised at the quantity of matches we did get.  Holy cow there are 
a lot of fairly local, similar age folks lookin’ for love out there.  

From: Travis Johnson 
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pina Colada and long walks in the rain

Compatibility between people doesn't necessarily mean same preferences. Usually 
people with different characteristics are actually better matched.

Travis



On 1/26/2017 11:42 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  For fun, my wife and I both got a free eHarmony account.  Worked hard to have 
the exact same preferences.  Only differences is our ages.
  One week later and we still have not been matched to each other.  

  I wonder if the algorithm somehow knows we are related.  I don’t think it 
asked for addresses.  Not even sure it asked for a last name.  
  In any event I guess this must mean that we are not compatible...

Re: [AFMUG] OT Pina Colada and long walks in the rain

[Gino Villarini]

You guys need a hobby!

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Chuck 
McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Thursday, January 26, 2017 at 2:42 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Pina Colada and long walks in the rain

For fun, my wife and I both got a free eHarmony account.  Worked hard to have 
the exact same preferences.  Only differences is our ages.
One week later and we still have not been matched to each other.

I wonder if the algorithm somehow knows we are related.  I don’t think it asked 
for addresses.  Not even sure it asked for a last name.
In any event I guess this must mean that we are not compatible...



Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Pina Colada and long walks in the rain

[Travis Johnson]

Compatibility between people doesn't necessarily mean same preferences. 
Usually people with different characteristics are actually better matched.


Travis


On 1/26/2017 11:42 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
For fun, my wife and I both got a free eHarmony account. Worked hard 
to have the exact same preferences.  Only differences is our ages.

One week later and we still have not been matched to each other.
I wonder if the algorithm somehow knows we are related. I don’t think 
it asked for addresses.  Not even sure it asked for a last name.

In any event I guess this must mean that we are not compatible...

Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

[Gino Villarini]

But nothing like the 80’s

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Ken 
Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Thursday, January 26, 2017 at 2:34 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

H, I don’t remember the 70’s for good music.  Were you a Bee Gees fan?  
Donna Summer?  I guess there were a few good songs (Hotel California?), but 
nothing like the 60’s.

Also, 1969 was the last year of the first generation Camaros.  The past few 
years they’ve gone back to referencing some of the body style points of the 
originals.  I do have to say I like Mary Barra, who evidently feels no need to 
suck up to the Trumpster like some other auto CEOs.  It probably helps that GM 
has a pretty strong lineup at the moment, including some of the cars from the 
GM Korea design center like Spark/Sonic/Trax.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

They killed the draft right before I turned draft age.  What a relief.
In my mind the late 70s were pretty ideal.  Good music, girls.   oh 
man.  STDs were more of a bother than life threatening...   Had a brand new 
Z28 Camaro.  Ronald Reagan was making headway with the USSR.

Interest rates were high though, I had certificates of deposit earning 
something like 14%.




Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 5:17 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

The people who want to make America great again, I’m unclear on exactly when 
that was?   Usually the assumption is around 50 years ago, but All In The 
Family was set in the 60’s, and it seems that Archie Bunker had the exact same 
gripes then.

Obviously there were no SFPs then, so what is the missing ingredient?  Glenn 
Miller?  That would be around 1940.

I will tell you that I turned draft age in 1968, and there were some 
not-so-great things about the 60’s.  My kids however assume that was before 
sex, drugs and rock&roll, apparently they have not seen any Austin Powers 
movies.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 5:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B




-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Josh Luthman" 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 3:58:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B
Only one of them have an SFP.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 4:56 PM, Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Mimosa B11s vs UNBT AF-11X.  Getting ready to deploy some 11 Ghz wireless links 
 here

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

[Gino Villarini]

Sex Pistols, Ramones, Dead Kennedys, The Clash, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath …

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Ken 
Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Thursday, January 26, 2017 at 2:34 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

H, I don’t remember the 70’s for good music.  Were you a Bee Gees fan?  
Donna Summer?  I guess there were a few good songs (Hotel California?), but 
nothing like the 60’s.

Also, 1969 was the last year of the first generation Camaros.  The past few 
years they’ve gone back to referencing some of the body style points of the 
originals.  I do have to say I like Mary Barra, who evidently feels no need to 
suck up to the Trumpster like some other auto CEOs.  It probably helps that GM 
has a pretty strong lineup at the moment, including some of the cars from the 
GM Korea design center like Spark/Sonic/Trax.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

They killed the draft right before I turned draft age.  What a relief.
In my mind the late 70s were pretty ideal.  Good music, girls.   oh 
man.  STDs were more of a bother than life threatening...   Had a brand new 
Z28 Camaro.  Ronald Reagan was making headway with the USSR.

Interest rates were high though, I had certificates of deposit earning 
something like 14%.




Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 5:17 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

The people who want to make America great again, I’m unclear on exactly when 
that was?   Usually the assumption is around 50 years ago, but All In The 
Family was set in the 60’s, and it seems that Archie Bunker had the exact same 
gripes then.

Obviously there were no SFPs then, so what is the missing ingredient?  Glenn 
Miller?  That would be around 1940.

I will tell you that I turned draft age in 1968, and there were some 
not-so-great things about the 60’s.  My kids however assume that was before 
sex, drugs and rock&roll, apparently they have not seen any Austin Powers 
movies.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 5:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Josh Luthman" 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 3:58:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B
Only one of them have an SFP.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 4:56 PM, Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Mimosa B11s vs UNBT AF-11X.  Getting ready to deploy some 11 Ghz wireless links 
 here

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

[Gino Villarini]

Yeap, ATPC is needed to overcome rainfade

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of 
Faisal Imtiaz mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Thursday, January 26, 2017 at 2:36 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

Hi Chris,

What is the optimum  SNR or aka the sweet spot.

Which actually leads to another question which I have...

On my link, I had to manually reduce TX Power to 10dBm (lowest possible) in 
order to end up with a SNR of 35/37...

Can we possible see this being done by TPC vs a manual power decrease ?

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net




Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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From: "Chris Trout" mailto:ch...@mimosa.co>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:32:32 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
Great point, Tim. I have updated our documentation.

Transmit compression starts at 27 dBm Tx power on backhaul products. TPC backs 
off from this value automatically if SNR allows.

Mimosa backhaul radios are capable of associating at relatively high Rx power 
levels (between -30 and -20 dBm). However, higher power levels cause the 
receivers to saturate, and this increases the error vector magnitude (EVM). For 
this reason, Mimosa recommends designing links with -30 dBm or lower received 
power to avoid saturation.

To optimize RF performance, adjust Tx power on the AP while monitoring both Rx 
power and EVM on the Station side of the link. Tx power should be set to a 
value that results in the lowest EVM value.

The only reason why some compression or saturation may be acceptable is in the 
case of low SNR, which has a larger effect on overall performance.

Chris Trout
Mimosa Networks, Inc.

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of 
"Hardy, Tim" mailto:tha...@comsearch.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 at 6:47 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

Chris,

It might help us design these properly if we knew what the saturation levels 
were.  We have these for most other radios.

Thanks,

Tim

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Chris 
Trout mailto:ch...@mimosa.co>>
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 9:22:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

The PHY (Layer 1) is affected by EVM and PER which cause changes in modulation.
The MAC (Layer 2), where TDMA lives, makes use of the PHY but does not change 
it directly.
Changes in the amount and direction of traffic across the link do affect EVM 
and PER, however.

It is likely that the PHY rate is more stable on your link at 1300 Mbps (MCS7) 
than at 1560 Mbps (MCS8), and Auto TDMA is reacting faster to changing 
conditions since it sends a shorter duration of packets for training the PHY 
rate.

As others have recommended, reducing power will avoid saturating the receiver, 
and reduce (improve) EVM. I think that is what we may be seeing here on a very 
short link.

Chris Trout
Mimosa Networks, Inc.

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Chris 
Wright mailto:ch...@velociter.net>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 at 1:55 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

Traffic Split set to Auto:
PHY1300/1300

Traffic Split set to 75/25, 8ms window:
PHY1560/1300

Anyone can see why one should prefer setting the Traffic Split to 75/25 – it 
provides more bandwidth in one direction.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Faisal Imtiaz [mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Cc: Chris Wright
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

Hi Chris,

I want to compare something with my link...

Can you please share what's the listed PHY rates were on your PCN for the link.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "Chris Wright" mailto:ch...@velociter.net>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 11:21:12 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
Power is already at the minimum (10dBm) on both sides. 2.2km link.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

F

Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

it will be nice to have a president who regularly does that again

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 12:45 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> When he has to visit soldiers in a hospital that got messed up during an
> operation he authorized, perhaps some humanity will soak in.
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:43 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct
> story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post
>
>
> But his nickname is “micromanager in chief”.
>
>
>
> I have to wonder though, when he flits in, spends 10 minutes inserting
> himself into the Air Force One or F-35 contract process, then flits back
> out and pretends he accomplished a lot.  Is that micromanaging, or
> showboating?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:17 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true,
> correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The
> Washington Post
>
>
>
> he doesnt think like a small business owner. do you think he knows what
> the head of janitorial staff is doing day to day at any of his facilities
>
> do you even think he knows how much that guy is paid?
>
> when something is that big, you dont have the time to micromanage like an
> smb
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 12:13 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Does he give one of his lieutenants free reign over that Central Park
> merry-go-round?
>
>
>
> I think a lot of those deals are either licensing his name, or providing
> management services.  Both essentially pure profit.  I’m not saying he’s
> stupid.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:01 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true,
> correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The
> Washington Post
>
>
>
> Whole pile of companies and properties:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trump_Organization
>
>
>
> Looks like a large outfit to me.
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 10:57 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct
> story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post
>
>
>
> Well, I’m not sure Eisenhower was in over his head.  More like a vacation
> after his previous job.
>
>
>
> As far as Trump being a brilliant businessman, he’s more like a brand
> licenser and reality TV host now that (almost) nobody will loan him money
> anymore.  I remember him being more of a laughingstock in the 80’s due to
> his serial bankruptcies.  His modus operandi seems to be:
>
>
>
> 1)  Create chaos
>
> 2)  Send in the lawyers
>
> …
>
> PROFIT!
>
>
>
> If you are willing to be ruthless and screw over your partners, vendors,
> and fellow investors, there is always profit to be made.  Until people wise
> up and won’t deal with you.  Then you only have one option remaining – run
> for elected office.
>
>
>
> I also have a hard time envisioning The Trump Organization as a very large
> organization with hundreds of divisions.  More like Russian nesting dolls
> for tax purposes.  Articles I have read about their offices in Trump Tower
> say it is pretty spartan.  And as far as turning over day-to-day management
> to his sons, you don’t think that already happened over the years?  Well,
> at least Don Jr.  Like SNL says, “and I’m Eric”.  Maybe I’m judging him
> harshly because he looks so strange, wasn’t he Odo on Star Trek?
>
>
>
> I’m sorry, I just don’t see DJT as a business magnate in the same class
> with Jack Welch or Warren Buffett.  If you pull any list of the top NYC
> real estate developers, Trump won’t even be on the list.  That’s why the
> actual real estate magnates hold him in such low regard.  Not that their
> opinion is necessarily more important than your average swamp critter.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:14 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true,
> correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The
> Washington Post
>
>
>
> I think all presidents quickly realize they are in over their head.  No
> way you can actually be prepared for the job.
>
>
>
> But one thing that Trump has going for him is the proven ability to
> organize and run very large organizations with hundreds of divisions.
>
> No way he could have been successful in the business world without the
> ability to give his lieutenants free reign.
>
>
>
> He is an ass, an megalomaniac, probably a sociopath, narcissistic,
> probably delusional – but I have liked everything he has done so far with
> the exception of the way he is handling Mexico.  I think they need to build
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Pina Colada and long walks in the rain

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

ditch her brah

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 12:42 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> For fun, my wife and I both got a free eHarmony account.  Worked hard to
> have the exact same preferences.  Only differences is our ages.
> One week later and we still have not been matched to each other.
>
> I wonder if the algorithm somehow knows we are related.  I don’t think it
> asked for addresses.  Not even sure it asked for a last name.
> In any event I guess this must mean that we are not compatible...
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

[Chuck McCown]

When he has to visit soldiers in a hospital that got messed up during an 
operation he authorized, perhaps some humanity will soak in.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story 
of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

But his nickname is “micromanager in chief”.

 

I have to wonder though, when he flits in, spends 10 minutes inserting himself 
into the Air Force One or F-35 contract process, then flits back out and 
pretends he accomplished a lot.  Is that micromanaging, or showboating?

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story 
of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

 

he doesnt think like a small business owner. do you think he knows what the 
head of janitorial staff is doing day to day at any of his facilities

do you even think he knows how much that guy is paid?

when something is that big, you dont have the time to micromanage like an smb

 

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 12:13 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  Does he give one of his lieutenants free reign over that Central Park 
merry-go-round?

   

  I think a lot of those deals are either licensing his name, or providing 
management services.  Both essentially pure profit.  I’m not saying he’s stupid.

   

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:01 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct 
story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

   

  Whole pile of companies and properties:

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trump_Organization

   

  Looks like a large outfit to me.  

   

  From: Ken Hohhof 

  Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 10:57 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story 
of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

   

  Well, I’m not sure Eisenhower was in over his head.  More like a vacation 
after his previous job.

   

  As far as Trump being a brilliant businessman, he’s more like a brand 
licenser and reality TV host now that (almost) nobody will loan him money 
anymore.  I remember him being more of a laughingstock in the 80’s due to his 
serial bankruptcies.  His modus operandi seems to be:

   

  1)  Create chaos

  2)  Send in the lawyers

  …

  PROFIT!

   

  If you are willing to be ruthless and screw over your partners, vendors, and 
fellow investors, there is always profit to be made.  Until people wise up and 
won’t deal with you.  Then you only have one option remaining – run for elected 
office.

   

  I also have a hard time envisioning The Trump Organization as a very large 
organization with hundreds of divisions.  More like Russian nesting dolls for 
tax purposes.  Articles I have read about their offices in Trump Tower say it 
is pretty spartan.  And as far as turning over day-to-day management to his 
sons, you don’t think that already happened over the years?  Well, at least Don 
Jr.  Like SNL says, “and I’m Eric”.  Maybe I’m judging him harshly because he 
looks so strange, wasn’t he Odo on Star Trek?

   

  I’m sorry, I just don’t see DJT as a business magnate in the same class with 
Jack Welch or Warren Buffett.  If you pull any list of the top NYC real estate 
developers, Trump won’t even be on the list.  That’s why the actual real estate 
magnates hold him in such low regard.  Not that their opinion is necessarily 
more important than your average swamp critter.

   

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:14 AM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct 
story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

   

  I think all presidents quickly realize they are in over their head.  No way 
you can actually be prepared for the job.

   

  But one thing that Trump has going for him is the proven ability to organize 
and run very large organizations with hundreds of divisions.  

  No way he could have been successful in the business world without the 
ability to give his lieutenants free reign. 

   

  He is an ass, an megalomaniac, probably a sociopath, narcissistic, probably 
delusional – but I have liked everything he has done so far with the exception 
of the way he is handling Mexico.  I think they need to build an electronic 
wall.  Fiber optic cable 100% of the border with cameras each half miles and 
drones on each camera pole.  Crowdsource the monitoring.  Let the Minuteman 
organizations watch things.  Make the cameras IR so if they see something at 
night, lau

Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

[Ken Hohhof]

But his nickname is “micromanager in chief”.

 

I have to wonder though, when he flits in, spends 10 minutes inserting himself 
into the Air Force One or F-35 contract process, then flits back out and 
pretends he accomplished a lot.  Is that micromanaging, or showboating?

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story 
of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

 

he doesnt think like a small business owner. do you think he knows what the 
head of janitorial staff is doing day to day at any of his facilities

do you even think he knows how much that guy is paid?

when something is that big, you dont have the time to micromanage like an smb

 

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 12:13 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Does he give one of his lieutenants free reign over that Central Park 
merry-go-round?

 

I think a lot of those deals are either licensing his name, or providing 
management services.  Both essentially pure profit.  I’m not saying he’s stupid.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story 
of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

 

Whole pile of companies and properties:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trump_Organization

 

Looks like a large outfit to me.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 10:57 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story 
of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

 

Well, I’m not sure Eisenhower was in over his head.  More like a vacation after 
his previous job.

 

As far as Trump being a brilliant businessman, he’s more like a brand licenser 
and reality TV host now that (almost) nobody will loan him money anymore.  I 
remember him being more of a laughingstock in the 80’s due to his serial 
bankruptcies.  His modus operandi seems to be:

 

1)  Create chaos

2)  Send in the lawyers

…

PROFIT!

 

If you are willing to be ruthless and screw over your partners, vendors, and 
fellow investors, there is always profit to be made.  Until people wise up and 
won’t deal with you.  Then you only have one option remaining – run for elected 
office.

 

I also have a hard time envisioning The Trump Organization as a very large 
organization with hundreds of divisions.  More like Russian nesting dolls for 
tax purposes.  Articles I have read about their offices in Trump Tower say it 
is pretty spartan.  And as far as turning over day-to-day management to his 
sons, you don’t think that already happened over the years?  Well, at least Don 
Jr.  Like SNL says, “and I’m Eric”.  Maybe I’m judging him harshly because he 
looks so strange, wasn’t he Odo on Star Trek?

 

I’m sorry, I just don’t see DJT as a business magnate in the same class with 
Jack Welch or Warren Buffett.  If you pull any list of the top NYC real estate 
developers, Trump won’t even be on the list.  That’s why the actual real estate 
magnates hold him in such low regard.  Not that their opinion is necessarily 
more important than your average swamp critter.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:14 AM
To: Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story 
of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

 

I think all presidents quickly realize they are in over their head.  No way you 
can actually be prepared for the job.

 

But one thing that Trump has going for him is the proven ability to organize 
and run very large organizations with hundreds of divisions.  

No way he could have been successful in the business world without the ability 
to give his lieutenants free reign. 

 

He is an ass, an megalomaniac, probably a sociopath, narcissistic, probably 
delusional – but I have liked everything he has done so far with the exception 
of the way he is handling Mexico.  I think they need to build an electronic 
wall.  Fiber optic cable 100% of the border with cameras each half miles and 
drones on each camera pole.  Crowdsource the monitoring.  Let the Minuteman 
organizations watch things.  Make the cameras IR so if they see something at 
night, launch the drone to check it out. 

 

From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 10:04 AM

To: Animal Farm 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story 
of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

 

Ha... You'd have better luck getting Trump to agree he is in ov

[AFMUG] OT Pina Colada and long walks in the rain

[Chuck McCown]

For fun, my wife and I both got a free eHarmony account.  Worked hard to have 
the exact same preferences.  Only differences is our ages.
One week later and we still have not been matched to each other.  

I wonder if the algorithm somehow knows we are related.  I don’t think it asked 
for addresses.  Not even sure it asked for a last name.  
In any event I guess this must mean that we are not compatible...

Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

[Chuck McCown]

Mine fields do a pretty good job.

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct 
story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post


Last successful wall to seriously keep people on one side or the
other... Berlin   Do we really want machine gun nests with
overlapping fields of fire and land mines?   ( yes I am a troll too,
sometimes )...

On 01/26/2017 10:21 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I am just suggesting that is a pile of crap to manage, it must take
quite a few people.  I think he is a successful manager of a large bunch
of organizations.
To do that you have to be able to make decisions and move to the next
item on the list.
As far as being in over your head as a president, there are a bazillion
little things that you would not know.  For example, go build the wall.
OK are you going to obtain easements, are you going to do eminent
domain, are you going to put on in Mexico without permission?
Are you going to obey NEPA laws?  Things like that.  I know about NEPA,
am pretty much a NEPA expert when it comes to putting fiber lines in
public lands, but almost nobody knows this stuff.  I am sure there are
parallels in every thing a president touches.  Laws and regs that must
be obeyed.
Then, you have all the intel and secret stuff that probably dumps on you
first day in office.  All kinds of selecting the best of two bad
situations.  Homeland type of crap.
Then they pull out the UFO file.
I don’t think anyone is prepared.  Yeah, Ike was probably the best
prepared.  Governors are probably better prepared than Senators.
You gotta pick good experts to advise you and hope for the best.
*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:13 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true,
correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The
Washington Post

Does he give one of his lieutenants free reign over that Central Park
merry-go-round?

I think a lot of those deals are either licensing his name, or providing
management services.  Both essentially pure profit.  I’m not saying he’s
stupid.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:01 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true,
correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The
Washington Post

Whole pile of companies and properties:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trump_Organization

Looks like a large outfit to me.

*From:*Ken Hohhof

*Sent:*Thursday, January 26, 2017 10:57 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct
story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington 
Post


Well, I’m not sure Eisenhower was in over his head.  More like a
vacation after his previous job.

As far as Trump being a brilliant businessman, he’s more like a brand
licenser and reality TV host now that (almost) nobody will loan him
money anymore.  I remember him being more of a laughingstock in the 80’s
due to his serial bankruptcies.  His modus operandi seems to be:

1) Create chaos

2) Send in the lawyers

…

PROFIT!

If you are willing to be ruthless and screw over your partners, vendors,
and fellow investors, there is always profit to be made.  Until people
wise up and won’t deal with you.  Then you only have one option
remaining – run for elected office.

I also have a hard time envisioning The Trump Organization as a very
large organization with hundreds of divisions.  More like Russian
nesting dolls for tax purposes.  Articles I have read about their
offices in Trump Tower say it is pretty spartan.  And as far as turning
over day-to-day management to his sons, you don’t think that already
happened over the years?  Well, at least Don Jr.  Like SNL says, “and
I’m Eric”.  Maybe I’m judging him harshly because he looks so strange,
wasn’t he Odo on Star Trek?

I’m sorry, I just don’t see DJT as a business magnate in the same class
with Jack Welch or Warren Buffett.  If you pull any list of the top NYC
real estate developers, Trump won’t even be on the list.  That’s why the
actual real estate magnates hold him in such low regard.  Not that their
opinion is necessarily more important than your average swamp critter.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:14 AM
*To:* Animal Farm 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true,
correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The
Washington Post

I think all presidents quickly realize they are in over their head.  No
way you can actually be prepared for the job.

But one thing that Trump has going for him is the proven ability to
organize and run very large organizations with hundreds of divisions.

No way he cou

Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

[Robert Andrews]

Last successful wall to seriously keep people on one side or the 
other... Berlin   Do we really want machine gun nests with 
overlapping fields of fire and land mines?   ( yes I am a troll too, 
sometimes )...


On 01/26/2017 10:21 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I am just suggesting that is a pile of crap to manage, it must take
quite a few people.  I think he is a successful manager of a large bunch
of organizations.
To do that you have to be able to make decisions and move to the next
item on the list.
As far as being in over your head as a president, there are a bazillion
little things that you would not know.  For example, go build the wall.
OK are you going to obtain easements, are you going to do eminent
domain, are you going to put on in Mexico without permission?
Are you going to obey NEPA laws?  Things like that.  I know about NEPA,
am pretty much a NEPA expert when it comes to putting fiber lines in
public lands, but almost nobody knows this stuff.  I am sure there are
parallels in every thing a president touches.  Laws and regs that must
be obeyed.
Then, you have all the intel and secret stuff that probably dumps on you
first day in office.  All kinds of selecting the best of two bad
situations.  Homeland type of crap.
Then they pull out the UFO file.
I don’t think anyone is prepared.  Yeah, Ike was probably the best
prepared.  Governors are probably better prepared than Senators.
You gotta pick good experts to advise you and hope for the best.
*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:13 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true,
correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The
Washington Post

Does he give one of his lieutenants free reign over that Central Park
merry-go-round?

I think a lot of those deals are either licensing his name, or providing
management services.  Both essentially pure profit.  I’m not saying he’s
stupid.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:01 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true,
correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The
Washington Post

Whole pile of companies and properties:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trump_Organization

Looks like a large outfit to me.

*From:*Ken Hohhof

*Sent:*Thursday, January 26, 2017 10:57 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct
story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

Well, I’m not sure Eisenhower was in over his head.  More like a
vacation after his previous job.

As far as Trump being a brilliant businessman, he’s more like a brand
licenser and reality TV host now that (almost) nobody will loan him
money anymore.  I remember him being more of a laughingstock in the 80’s
due to his serial bankruptcies.  His modus operandi seems to be:

1) Create chaos

2) Send in the lawyers

…

PROFIT!

If you are willing to be ruthless and screw over your partners, vendors,
and fellow investors, there is always profit to be made.  Until people
wise up and won’t deal with you.  Then you only have one option
remaining – run for elected office.

I also have a hard time envisioning The Trump Organization as a very
large organization with hundreds of divisions.  More like Russian
nesting dolls for tax purposes.  Articles I have read about their
offices in Trump Tower say it is pretty spartan.  And as far as turning
over day-to-day management to his sons, you don’t think that already
happened over the years?  Well, at least Don Jr.  Like SNL says, “and
I’m Eric”.  Maybe I’m judging him harshly because he looks so strange,
wasn’t he Odo on Star Trek?

I’m sorry, I just don’t see DJT as a business magnate in the same class
with Jack Welch or Warren Buffett.  If you pull any list of the top NYC
real estate developers, Trump won’t even be on the list.  That’s why the
actual real estate magnates hold him in such low regard.  Not that their
opinion is necessarily more important than your average swamp critter.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:14 AM
*To:* Animal Farm 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true,
correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The
Washington Post

I think all presidents quickly realize they are in over their head.  No
way you can actually be prepared for the job.

But one thing that Trump has going for him is the proven ability to
organize and run very large organizations with hundreds of divisions.

No way he could have been successful in the business world without the
ability to give his lieutenants free reign.

He is an ass, an megalomaniac, probably a sociopath, narcissistic,
probably delusional – but I have liked everything he has done so far
with the exception of the way he is handling Mexico.  I 

Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

[Chuck McCown]

Elton John
Billy Joel
ELO
Queen
Eagles
Yes, I listened to the Bee Gees.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

H, I don’t remember the 70’s for good music.  Were you a Bee Gees fan?  
Donna Summer?  I guess there were a few good songs (Hotel California?), but 
nothing like the 60’s.

 

Also, 1969 was the last year of the first generation Camaros.  The past few 
years they’ve gone back to referencing some of the body style points of the 
originals.  I do have to say I like Mary Barra, who evidently feels no need to 
suck up to the Trumpster like some other auto CEOs.  It probably helps that GM 
has a pretty strong lineup at the moment, including some of the cars from the 
GM Korea design center like Spark/Sonic/Trax.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

 

They killed the draft right before I turned draft age.  What a relief.  

In my mind the late 70s were pretty ideal.  Good music, girls.   oh 
man.  STDs were more of a bother than life threatening...   Had a brand new 
Z28 Camaro.  Ronald Reagan was making headway with the USSR.

 

Interest rates were high though, I had certificates of deposit earning 
something like 14%.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 5:17 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

 

The people who want to make America great again, I’m unclear on exactly when 
that was?   Usually the assumption is around 50 years ago, but All In The 
Family was set in the 60’s, and it seems that Archie Bunker had the exact same 
gripes then.

 

Obviously there were no SFPs then, so what is the missing ingredient?  Glenn 
Miller?  That would be around 1940.

 

I will tell you that I turned draft age in 1968, and there were some 
not-so-great things about the 60’s.  My kids however assume that was before 
sex, drugs and rock&roll, apparently they have not seen any Austin Powers 
movies.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 5:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

 

 



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 3:58:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

Only one of them have an SFP.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 4:56 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

  Mimosa B11s vs UNBT AF-11X.  Getting ready to deploy some 11 Ghz wireless 
links  here

   

  Paul McCall, President

  PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

  658 Old Dixie Highway

  Vero Beach, FL 32962

  772-564-6800  

  pa...@pdmnet.net

  www.pdmnet.com

  www.floridabroadband.com

   

   

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Hi Chris, 

What is the optimum SNR or aka the sweet spot. 

Which actually leads to another question which I have... 

On my link, I had to manually reduce TX Power to 10dBm (lowest possible) in 
order to end up with a SNR of 35/37... 

Can we possible see this being done by TPC vs a manual power decrease ? 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Chris Trout" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:32:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

> Great point, Tim. I have updated our documentation.

> Transmit compression starts at 27 dBm Tx power on backhaul products. TPC backs
> off from this value automatically if SNR allows.

> Mimosa backhaul radios are capable of associating at relatively high Rx power
> levels (between -30 and -20 dBm). However, higher power levels cause the
> receivers to saturate, and this increases the error vector magnitude (EVM). 
> For
> this reason, Mimosa recommends designing links with -30 dBm or lower received
> power to avoid saturation.

> To optimize RF performance, adjust Tx power on the AP while monitoring both Rx
> power and EVM on the Station side of the link. Tx power should be set to a
> value that results in the lowest EVM value.

> The only reason why some compression or saturation may be acceptable is in the
> case of low SNR, which has a larger effect on overall performance.

> Chris Trout

> Mimosa Networks, Inc.

> From: Af  on behalf of "Hardy, Tim" 
> 
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 at 6:47 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

> Chris,

> It might help us design these properly if we knew what the saturation levels
> were. We have these for most other radios.

> Thanks,

> Tim

> From: Af  on behalf of Chris Trout 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 9:22:14 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

> The PHY (Layer 1) is affected by EVM and PER which cause changes in 
> modulation.

> The MAC (Layer 2), where TDMA lives, makes use of the PHY but does not change 
> it
> directly.

> Changes in the amount and direction of traffic across the link do affect EVM 
> and
> PER, however.

> It is likely that the PHY rate is more stable on your link at 1300 Mbps (MCS7)
> than at 1560 Mbps (MCS8), and Auto TDMA is reacting faster to changing
> conditions since it sends a shorter duration of packets for training the PHY
> rate.

> As others have recommended, reducing power will avoid saturating the receiver,
> and reduce (improve) EVM. I think that is what we may be seeing here on a very
> short link.

> Chris Trout

> Mimosa Networks, Inc.

> From: Af  on behalf of Chris Wright 
> 
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 at 1:55 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

> Traffic Split set to Auto:

> PHY 1300/1300

> Traffic Split set to 75/25, 8ms window:

> PHY 1560/1300

> Anyone can see why one should prefer setting the Traffic Split to 75/25 – it
> provides more bandwidth in one direction.

> Chris Wright

> Network Administrator

> From: Faisal Imtiaz [mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:35 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Cc: Chris Wright
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

> Hi Chris,

> I want to compare something with my link...

> Can you please share what's the listed PHY rates were on your PCN for the 
> link.

> Regards.

> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>> From: "Chris Wright" < ch...@velociter.net >
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 11:21:12 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
>> Power is already at the minimum (10dBm) on both sides. 2.2km link.

>> Chris Wright

>> Network Administrator

>> From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 9:56 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

>> > SNR 41, 42, 41, 41

>> Turn down your power, and bring the SNR in the 30-35 range...

>> it will improve thruput and allow for the higher modulation.

>> Regards.

>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

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>>> From: "Chris Wright" < ch...@velociter.net >
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:41:37 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
>>> Firmware 1.4.4

>>> SNR 41, 42, 41, 41

>>> Flow Control had no effect so it remains disabled for now.

>>> Sent via mobile phone.

>>> On Jan 24, 2017, at 9:05 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net > 
>>> wrote:

 What version for firmware 

Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

[Chuck McCown]

Pretty sure a president can do better than a Monica if he really tries.  Just 
tell the secret service to import a van full of party girls.  

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story 
of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

My biggest concern the first day would be where are the Monicas and the cigars

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  I am just suggesting that is a pile of crap to manage, it must take quite a 
few people.  I think he is a successful manager of a large bunch of 
organizations.  
  To do that you have to be able to make decisions and move to the next item on 
the list.  

  As far as being in over your head as a president, there are a bazillion 
little things that you would not know.  For example, go build the wall.  OK are 
you going to obtain easements, are you going to do eminent domain, are you 
going to put on in Mexico without permission?
  Are you going to obey NEPA laws?  Things like that.  I know about NEPA, am 
pretty much a NEPA expert when it comes to putting fiber lines in public lands, 
but almost nobody knows this stuff.  I am sure there are parallels in every 
thing a president touches.  Laws and regs that must be obeyed.  

  Then, you have all the intel and secret stuff that probably dumps on you 
first day in office.  All kinds of selecting the best of two bad situations.  
Homeland type of crap.
  Then they pull out the UFO file.

  I don’t think anyone is prepared.  Yeah, Ike was probably the best prepared.  
Governors are probably better prepared than Senators.  
  You gotta pick good experts to advise you and hope for the best.  

  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:13 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story 
of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

  Does he give one of his lieutenants free reign over that Central Park 
merry-go-round?



  I think a lot of those deals are either licensing his name, or providing 
management services.  Both essentially pure profit.  I’m not saying he’s stupid.





  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:01 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct 
story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post



  Whole pile of companies and properties:

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trump_Organization



  Looks like a large outfit to me.  



  From: Ken Hohhof 

  Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 10:57 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story 
of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post



  Well, I’m not sure Eisenhower was in over his head.  More like a vacation 
after his previous job.



  As far as Trump being a brilliant businessman, he’s more like a brand 
licenser and reality TV host now that (almost) nobody will loan him money 
anymore.  I remember him being more of a laughingstock in the 80’s due to his 
serial bankruptcies.  His modus operandi seems to be:



  1)  Create chaos

  2)  Send in the lawyers

  …

  PROFIT!



  If you are willing to be ruthless and screw over your partners, vendors, and 
fellow investors, there is always profit to be made.  Until people wise up and 
won’t deal with you.  Then you only have one option remaining – run for elected 
office.



  I also have a hard time envisioning The Trump Organization as a very large 
organization with hundreds of divisions.  More like Russian nesting dolls for 
tax purposes.  Articles I have read about their offices in Trump Tower say it 
is pretty spartan.  And as far as turning over day-to-day management to his 
sons, you don’t think that already happened over the years?  Well, at least Don 
Jr.  Like SNL says, “and I’m Eric”.  Maybe I’m judging him harshly because he 
looks so strange, wasn’t he Odo on Star Trek?



  I’m sorry, I just don’t see DJT as a business magnate in the same class with 
Jack Welch or Warren Buffett.  If you pull any list of the top NYC real estate 
developers, Trump won’t even be on the list.  That’s why the actual real estate 
magnates hold him in such low regard.  Not that their opinion is necessarily 
more important than your average swamp critter.





  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:14 AM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct 
story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post



  I think all presidents quickly realize they are in over their head.  No way 
you can actually be prepared for the job.



  But one thing that Trump has going for him is the 

Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

[Ken Hohhof]

H, I don’t remember the 70’s for good music.  Were you a Bee Gees fan?  
Donna Summer?  I guess there were a few good songs (Hotel California?), but 
nothing like the 60’s.

 

Also, 1969 was the last year of the first generation Camaros.  The past few 
years they’ve gone back to referencing some of the body style points of the 
originals.  I do have to say I like Mary Barra, who evidently feels no need to 
suck up to the Trumpster like some other auto CEOs.  It probably helps that GM 
has a pretty strong lineup at the moment, including some of the cars from the 
GM Korea design center like Spark/Sonic/Trax.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

 

They killed the draft right before I turned draft age.  What a relief.  

In my mind the late 70s were pretty ideal.  Good music, girls.   oh 
man.  STDs were more of a bother than life threatening...   Had a brand new 
Z28 Camaro.  Ronald Reagan was making headway with the USSR.

 

Interest rates were high though, I had certificates of deposit earning 
something like 14%.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 5:17 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

 

The people who want to make America great again, I’m unclear on exactly when 
that was?   Usually the assumption is around 50 years ago, but All In The 
Family was set in the 60’s, and it seems that Archie Bunker had the exact same 
gripes then.

 

Obviously there were no SFPs then, so what is the missing ingredient?  Glenn 
Miller?  That would be around 1940.

 

I will tell you that I turned draft age in 1968, and there were some 
not-so-great things about the 60’s.  My kids however assume that was before 
sex, drugs and rock&roll, apparently they have not seen any Austin Powers 
movies.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 5:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

 

 



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 




  _  

From: "Josh Luthman" mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >
To: af@afmug.com  
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 3:58:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

Only one of them have an SFP.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 4:56 PM, Paul McCall mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net> > wrote:

Mimosa B11s vs UNBT AF-11X.  Getting ready to deploy some 11 Ghz wireless links 
 here

 

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800

pa...@pdmnet.net  

www.pdmnet.com  

www.floridabroadband.com  

 

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

My biggest concern the first day would be where are the Monicas and the
cigars

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I am just suggesting that is a pile of crap to manage, it must take quite
> a few people.  I think he is a successful manager of a large bunch of
> organizations.
> To do that you have to be able to make decisions and move to the next item
> on the list.
>
> As far as being in over your head as a president, there are a bazillion
> little things that you would not know.  For example, go build the wall.  OK
> are you going to obtain easements, are you going to do eminent domain, are
> you going to put on in Mexico without permission?
> Are you going to obey NEPA laws?  Things like that.  I know about NEPA, am
> pretty much a NEPA expert when it comes to putting fiber lines in public
> lands, but almost nobody knows this stuff.  I am sure there are parallels
> in every thing a president touches.  Laws and regs that must be obeyed.
>
> Then, you have all the intel and secret stuff that probably dumps on you
> first day in office.  All kinds of selecting the best of two bad
> situations.  Homeland type of crap.
> Then they pull out the UFO file.
>
> I don’t think anyone is prepared.  Yeah, Ike was probably the best
> prepared.  Governors are probably better prepared than Senators.
> You gotta pick good experts to advise you and hope for the best.
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:13 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct
> story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post
>
>
> Does he give one of his lieutenants free reign over that Central Park
> merry-go-round?
>
>
>
> I think a lot of those deals are either licensing his name, or providing
> management services.  Both essentially pure profit.  I’m not saying he’s
> stupid.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:01 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true,
> correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The
> Washington Post
>
>
>
> Whole pile of companies and properties:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trump_Organization
>
>
>
> Looks like a large outfit to me.
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 10:57 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct
> story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post
>
>
>
> Well, I’m not sure Eisenhower was in over his head.  More like a vacation
> after his previous job.
>
>
>
> As far as Trump being a brilliant businessman, he’s more like a brand
> licenser and reality TV host now that (almost) nobody will loan him money
> anymore.  I remember him being more of a laughingstock in the 80’s due to
> his serial bankruptcies.  His modus operandi seems to be:
>
>
>
> 1)  Create chaos
>
> 2)  Send in the lawyers
>
> …
>
> PROFIT!
>
>
>
> If you are willing to be ruthless and screw over your partners, vendors,
> and fellow investors, there is always profit to be made.  Until people wise
> up and won’t deal with you.  Then you only have one option remaining – run
> for elected office.
>
>
>
> I also have a hard time envisioning The Trump Organization as a very large
> organization with hundreds of divisions.  More like Russian nesting dolls
> for tax purposes.  Articles I have read about their offices in Trump Tower
> say it is pretty spartan.  And as far as turning over day-to-day management
> to his sons, you don’t think that already happened over the years?  Well,
> at least Don Jr.  Like SNL says, “and I’m Eric”.  Maybe I’m judging him
> harshly because he looks so strange, wasn’t he Odo on Star Trek?
>
>
>
> I’m sorry, I just don’t see DJT as a business magnate in the same class
> with Jack Welch or Warren Buffett.  If you pull any list of the top NYC
> real estate developers, Trump won’t even be on the list.  That’s why the
> actual real estate magnates hold him in such low regard.  Not that their
> opinion is necessarily more important than your average swamp critter.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:14 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true,
> correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The
> Washington Post
>
>
>
> I think all presidents quickly realize they are in over their head.  No
> way you can actually be prepared for the job.
>
>
>
> But one thing that Trump has going for him is the proven ability to
> organize and run very large organizations with hundreds of divisions.
>
> No way he could have been successful in the business world without the
> ability to give his lieutenants free reign.
>
>
>
> He is an ass, an megalomaniac, probably a

Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

[Chuck McCown]

I am just suggesting that is a pile of crap to manage, it must take quite a few 
people.  I think he is a successful manager of a large bunch of organizations.  
To do that you have to be able to make decisions and move to the next item on 
the list.  

As far as being in over your head as a president, there are a bazillion little 
things that you would not know.  For example, go build the wall.  OK are you 
going to obtain easements, are you going to do eminent domain, are you going to 
put on in Mexico without permission?
Are you going to obey NEPA laws?  Things like that.  I know about NEPA, am 
pretty much a NEPA expert when it comes to putting fiber lines in public lands, 
but almost nobody knows this stuff.  I am sure there are parallels in every 
thing a president touches.  Laws and regs that must be obeyed.  

Then, you have all the intel and secret stuff that probably dumps on you first 
day in office.  All kinds of selecting the best of two bad situations.  
Homeland type of crap.
Then they pull out the UFO file.

I don’t think anyone is prepared.  Yeah, Ike was probably the best prepared.  
Governors are probably better prepared than Senators.  
You gotta pick good experts to advise you and hope for the best.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:13 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story 
of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

Does he give one of his lieutenants free reign over that Central Park 
merry-go-round?

 

I think a lot of those deals are either licensing his name, or providing 
management services.  Both essentially pure profit.  I’m not saying he’s stupid.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story 
of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

 

Whole pile of companies and properties:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trump_Organization

 

Looks like a large outfit to me.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 10:57 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story 
of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

 

Well, I’m not sure Eisenhower was in over his head.  More like a vacation after 
his previous job.

 

As far as Trump being a brilliant businessman, he’s more like a brand licenser 
and reality TV host now that (almost) nobody will loan him money anymore.  I 
remember him being more of a laughingstock in the 80’s due to his serial 
bankruptcies.  His modus operandi seems to be:

 

1)  Create chaos

2)  Send in the lawyers

…

PROFIT!

 

If you are willing to be ruthless and screw over your partners, vendors, and 
fellow investors, there is always profit to be made.  Until people wise up and 
won’t deal with you.  Then you only have one option remaining – run for elected 
office.

 

I also have a hard time envisioning The Trump Organization as a very large 
organization with hundreds of divisions.  More like Russian nesting dolls for 
tax purposes.  Articles I have read about their offices in Trump Tower say it 
is pretty spartan.  And as far as turning over day-to-day management to his 
sons, you don’t think that already happened over the years?  Well, at least Don 
Jr.  Like SNL says, “and I’m Eric”.  Maybe I’m judging him harshly because he 
looks so strange, wasn’t he Odo on Star Trek?

 

I’m sorry, I just don’t see DJT as a business magnate in the same class with 
Jack Welch or Warren Buffett.  If you pull any list of the top NYC real estate 
developers, Trump won’t even be on the list.  That’s why the actual real estate 
magnates hold him in such low regard.  Not that their opinion is necessarily 
more important than your average swamp critter.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:14 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story 
of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

 

I think all presidents quickly realize they are in over their head.  No way you 
can actually be prepared for the job.

 

But one thing that Trump has going for him is the proven ability to organize 
and run very large organizations with hundreds of divisions.  

No way he could have been successful in the business world without the ability 
to give his lieutenants free reign. 

 

He is an ass, an megalomaniac, probably a sociopath, narcissistic, probably 
delusional – but I have liked everything he has done so far with the exception 
of the way he is handling Mexico.  I think they need to build an electronic 
wall.  Fiber optic cable 100% of the border with cameras each half miles and 
drones on each camera pole.  Crowdsource the monitoring.  

Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

he doesnt think like a small business owner. do you think he knows what the
head of janitorial staff is doing day to day at any of his facilities
do you even think he knows how much that guy is paid?
when something is that big, you dont have the time to micromanage like an
smb

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 12:13 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Does he give one of his lieutenants free reign over that Central Park
> merry-go-round?
>
>
>
> I think a lot of those deals are either licensing his name, or providing
> management services.  Both essentially pure profit.  I’m not saying he’s
> stupid.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:01 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true,
> correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The
> Washington Post
>
>
>
> Whole pile of companies and properties:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trump_Organization
>
>
>
> Looks like a large outfit to me.
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 10:57 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct
> story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post
>
>
>
> Well, I’m not sure Eisenhower was in over his head.  More like a vacation
> after his previous job.
>
>
>
> As far as Trump being a brilliant businessman, he’s more like a brand
> licenser and reality TV host now that (almost) nobody will loan him money
> anymore.  I remember him being more of a laughingstock in the 80’s due to
> his serial bankruptcies.  His modus operandi seems to be:
>
>
>
> 1)  Create chaos
>
> 2)  Send in the lawyers
>
> …
>
> PROFIT!
>
>
>
> If you are willing to be ruthless and screw over your partners, vendors,
> and fellow investors, there is always profit to be made.  Until people wise
> up and won’t deal with you.  Then you only have one option remaining – run
> for elected office.
>
>
>
> I also have a hard time envisioning The Trump Organization as a very large
> organization with hundreds of divisions.  More like Russian nesting dolls
> for tax purposes.  Articles I have read about their offices in Trump Tower
> say it is pretty spartan.  And as far as turning over day-to-day management
> to his sons, you don’t think that already happened over the years?  Well,
> at least Don Jr.  Like SNL says, “and I’m Eric”.  Maybe I’m judging him
> harshly because he looks so strange, wasn’t he Odo on Star Trek?
>
>
>
> I’m sorry, I just don’t see DJT as a business magnate in the same class
> with Jack Welch or Warren Buffett.  If you pull any list of the top NYC
> real estate developers, Trump won’t even be on the list.  That’s why the
> actual real estate magnates hold him in such low regard.  Not that their
> opinion is necessarily more important than your average swamp critter.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:14 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true,
> correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The
> Washington Post
>
>
>
> I think all presidents quickly realize they are in over their head.  No
> way you can actually be prepared for the job.
>
>
>
> But one thing that Trump has going for him is the proven ability to
> organize and run very large organizations with hundreds of divisions.
>
> No way he could have been successful in the business world without the
> ability to give his lieutenants free reign.
>
>
>
> He is an ass, an megalomaniac, probably a sociopath, narcissistic,
> probably delusional – but I have liked everything he has done so far with
> the exception of the way he is handling Mexico.  I think they need to build
> an electronic wall.  Fiber optic cable 100% of the border with cameras each
> half miles and drones on each camera pole.  Crowdsource the monitoring.
> Let the Minuteman organizations watch things.  Make the cameras IR so if
> they see something at night, launch the drone to check it out.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 10:04 AM
>
> *To:* Animal Farm
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct
> story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post
>
>
>
> Ha... You'd have better luck getting Trump to agree he is in over his head
> than getting me to respect or like him... No sale
>
>
>
> On Jan 26, 2017 10:02 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
> Glad to see you are coming around Jaime
>
>
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 25, 2017 5:20 PM
>
> *To:* Animal Farm
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct
> story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post
>
>
>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2017/01/
> 24/the-true-correct-story-of

Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

[Ken Hohhof]

Does he give one of his lieutenants free reign over that Central Park 
merry-go-round?

 

I think a lot of those deals are either licensing his name, or providing 
management services.  Both essentially pure profit.  I’m not saying he’s stupid.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story 
of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

 

Whole pile of companies and properties:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trump_Organization

 

Looks like a large outfit to me.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 10:57 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story 
of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

 

Well, I’m not sure Eisenhower was in over his head.  More like a vacation after 
his previous job.

 

As far as Trump being a brilliant businessman, he’s more like a brand licenser 
and reality TV host now that (almost) nobody will loan him money anymore.  I 
remember him being more of a laughingstock in the 80’s due to his serial 
bankruptcies.  His modus operandi seems to be:

 

1)  Create chaos

2)  Send in the lawyers

…

PROFIT!

 

If you are willing to be ruthless and screw over your partners, vendors, and 
fellow investors, there is always profit to be made.  Until people wise up and 
won’t deal with you.  Then you only have one option remaining – run for elected 
office.

 

I also have a hard time envisioning The Trump Organization as a very large 
organization with hundreds of divisions.  More like Russian nesting dolls for 
tax purposes.  Articles I have read about their offices in Trump Tower say it 
is pretty spartan.  And as far as turning over day-to-day management to his 
sons, you don’t think that already happened over the years?  Well, at least Don 
Jr.  Like SNL says, “and I’m Eric”.  Maybe I’m judging him harshly because he 
looks so strange, wasn’t he Odo on Star Trek?

 

I’m sorry, I just don’t see DJT as a business magnate in the same class with 
Jack Welch or Warren Buffett.  If you pull any list of the top NYC real estate 
developers, Trump won’t even be on the list.  That’s why the actual real estate 
magnates hold him in such low regard.  Not that their opinion is necessarily 
more important than your average swamp critter.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:14 AM
To: Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story 
of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

 

I think all presidents quickly realize they are in over their head.  No way you 
can actually be prepared for the job.

 

But one thing that Trump has going for him is the proven ability to organize 
and run very large organizations with hundreds of divisions.  

No way he could have been successful in the business world without the ability 
to give his lieutenants free reign. 

 

He is an ass, an megalomaniac, probably a sociopath, narcissistic, probably 
delusional – but I have liked everything he has done so far with the exception 
of the way he is handling Mexico.  I think they need to build an electronic 
wall.  Fiber optic cable 100% of the border with cameras each half miles and 
drones on each camera pole.  Crowdsource the monitoring.  Let the Minuteman 
organizations watch things.  Make the cameras IR so if they see something at 
night, launch the drone to check it out. 

 

From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 10:04 AM

To: Animal Farm 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story 
of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

 

Ha... You'd have better luck getting Trump to agree he is in over his head than 
getting me to respect or like him... No sale

 

On Jan 26, 2017 10:02 AM, "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

Glad to see you are coming around Jaime

 

From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 5:20 PM

To: Animal Farm 

Subject: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story of 
what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2017/01/24/the-true-correct-story-of-what-happened-at-donald-trumps-inauguration/?tid=hybrid_experimentrandom_3_na-amp
 

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Re: [AFMUG] customer suddenly can't browse but can stream using apps

[Harold Bledsoe]

Put her on a $10/mo managed Wi-Fi plan. ;-)

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 2:15 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> All good advice.  Except I would not run over their dog.  (without
> specific provocation)
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 25, 2017 1:08 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] customer suddenly can't browse but can stream
> using apps
>
>
>
> hard coded dns servers in the apps probably
>
> they probably dicked in their router and touched the dhcp server because
> their nephew is a computer genius (who recommended a tp fucking link)
>
> or when dns fails, the apps are reverting to the cellular data
>
> either way tell the customer to get fucked, then just get mad and drive to
> their hose to just take your gear, be so fucking irritated by the time you
> get there you burn down their hous run over their dog and grabbem all by
> the pussy. Then get an AR-15 and start plucking off every adult you see.
> (its been a shitty day today, im living vicariously)
>
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 12:53 PM, Simon Westlake 
> wrote:
>
> The way it worked when I worked at TWC was that we'd send out a tech for
> free. If we can show it works fine on our laptop, you get billed. If it's
> something that's our problem and we have to fix, we'll do it for free. I
> always thought that was pretty fair, and deters the 'I don't care, just
> come and fix it' mentality.
>
>
>
> On 1/25/2017 12:49 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Customer says she watches Netflix app just fine on the same iPad that can't 
> browse websites.
>
>
>
> Oh, and as far as calling the router vendor, they typically say to bypass the 
> router and if you still have no Internet it's obviously an ISP problem.  (we 
> use PPPoE so this won't work)
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of 
> Jay Weekley
>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:23 PM
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] customer suddenly can't browse but can stream using apps
>
>
>
> They insisted on using their own router and you can verify your radio is 
> sending traffic through it to their Netflix box.  I would give them the 
> option of calling TPLink or sending someone out for an $80 charge if the tech 
> finds it's a problem they created.
>
>
>
> Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> I do not relish the thought of having a newbie run ping tests from an
>
> iPhone while talking on it.
>
>
>
> Also there’s a conversation that never seems to take place out loud:
>
>
>
> “I have a list of computer techs you could call to work on the problem.”
>
>
>
> “But I’d have to pay them!”
>
>
>
> I’d even be willing to pick up the cost of the service call if it is
>
> our problem, but the basic issue is customers expect anything they can
>
> talk their ISP into fixing will be free.  So do I call the guy I have
>
> to pay, or the free guy?
>
>
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On Behalf Of 
> *Simon Westlake
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:01 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] customer suddenly can't browse but can stream
>
> using apps
>
>
>
> My experience from doing tech support for residential users is that
>
> 'no websites will load' means 'I tried going to one website and it
>
> didn't work.' Or 'I opened my web browser, and there's a message I
>
> didn't bother to read, I just don't like it.'
>
>
>
> If it's anything related to her gear, I'd guess it must be the router
>
> - I can't imagine multiple devices all suddenly refusing to load
>
> websites. If it's any consolation, I can get to every website from my
>
> PC, phone and iPad ;)
>
>
>
> On 1/25/2017 11:48 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
>
>
> Just checking because I fear getting sucked down a rabbit hole of
>
> supporting things that are not our responsibility.
>
>
>
> �
>
>
>
> Customer as of about 1 month ago reports suddenly yesterday has
>
> �no Internet�, yet I see regular traffic graphs and she can
>
> stream Netflix fine using apps.� This is reverse of usual,
>
> streaming should be more challenging than just going to a website.
>
>
>
> �
>
>
>
> To make things worse, customer chose to buy own router and has a
>
> TP-Link, so I have no visibility into it.� Plus she has no
>
> actual computers, just iPhones and iPads and a Blu-Ray player.�
>
> Customer is not at all tech savvy (doesn�t understand that
>
> Netflix uses Internet), and seems to expect we will troubleshoot
>
> and fix anything Internet related because she (actually her
>
> parents) are paying us for �Internet�.� She reports the same
>
> symptoms on all devices.
>
>
>
> �
>
>
>
> Is there anything that�s happened in the past day (other than
>
> Trump related stuff) that I might be missing?� Like a TP-Link
>
> firmware upgrade, or something Apple pushed out to
>
> iPads/iPhones?� It just seems so st

Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

[Chuck McCown]

Whole pile of companies and properties:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trump_Organization

Looks like a large outfit to me.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 10:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story 
of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

Well, I’m not sure Eisenhower was in over his head.  More like a vacation after 
his previous job.

 

As far as Trump being a brilliant businessman, he’s more like a brand licenser 
and reality TV host now that (almost) nobody will loan him money anymore.  I 
remember him being more of a laughingstock in the 80’s due to his serial 
bankruptcies.  His modus operandi seems to be:

 

1)  Create chaos

2)  Send in the lawyers

…

PROFIT!

 

If you are willing to be ruthless and screw over your partners, vendors, and 
fellow investors, there is always profit to be made.  Until people wise up and 
won’t deal with you.  Then you only have one option remaining – run for elected 
office.

 

I also have a hard time envisioning The Trump Organization as a very large 
organization with hundreds of divisions.  More like Russian nesting dolls for 
tax purposes.  Articles I have read about their offices in Trump Tower say it 
is pretty spartan.  And as far as turning over day-to-day management to his 
sons, you don’t think that already happened over the years?  Well, at least Don 
Jr.  Like SNL says, “and I’m Eric”.  Maybe I’m judging him harshly because he 
looks so strange, wasn’t he Odo on Star Trek?

 

I’m sorry, I just don’t see DJT as a business magnate in the same class with 
Jack Welch or Warren Buffett.  If you pull any list of the top NYC real estate 
developers, Trump won’t even be on the list.  That’s why the actual real estate 
magnates hold him in such low regard.  Not that their opinion is necessarily 
more important than your average swamp critter.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:14 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story 
of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

 

I think all presidents quickly realize they are in over their head.  No way you 
can actually be prepared for the job.

 

But one thing that Trump has going for him is the proven ability to organize 
and run very large organizations with hundreds of divisions.  

No way he could have been successful in the business world without the ability 
to give his lieutenants free reign. 

 

He is an ass, an megalomaniac, probably a sociopath, narcissistic, probably 
delusional – but I have liked everything he has done so far with the exception 
of the way he is handling Mexico.  I think they need to build an electronic 
wall.  Fiber optic cable 100% of the border with cameras each half miles and 
drones on each camera pole.  Crowdsource the monitoring.  Let the Minuteman 
organizations watch things.  Make the cameras IR so if they see something at 
night, launch the drone to check it out. 

 

From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 10:04 AM

To: Animal Farm 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story 
of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

 

Ha... You'd have better luck getting Trump to agree he is in over his head than 
getting me to respect or like him... No sale

 

On Jan 26, 2017 10:02 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Glad to see you are coming around Jaime

 

From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 5:20 PM

To: Animal Farm 

Subject: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story of 
what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2017/01/24/the-true-correct-story-of-what-happened-at-donald-trumps-inauguration/?tid=hybrid_experimentrandom_3_na-amp&utm_term=.428e092e7fd8

Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

[Ken Hohhof]

Well, I’m not sure Eisenhower was in over his head.  More like a vacation after 
his previous job.

 

As far as Trump being a brilliant businessman, he’s more like a brand licenser 
and reality TV host now that (almost) nobody will loan him money anymore.  I 
remember him being more of a laughingstock in the 80’s due to his serial 
bankruptcies.  His modus operandi seems to be:

 

1)  Create chaos

2)  Send in the lawyers

…

PROFIT!

 

If you are willing to be ruthless and screw over your partners, vendors, and 
fellow investors, there is always profit to be made.  Until people wise up and 
won’t deal with you.  Then you only have one option remaining – run for elected 
office.

 

I also have a hard time envisioning The Trump Organization as a very large 
organization with hundreds of divisions.  More like Russian nesting dolls for 
tax purposes.  Articles I have read about their offices in Trump Tower say it 
is pretty spartan.  And as far as turning over day-to-day management to his 
sons, you don’t think that already happened over the years?  Well, at least Don 
Jr.  Like SNL says, “and I’m Eric”.  Maybe I’m judging him harshly because he 
looks so strange, wasn’t he Odo on Star Trek?

 

I’m sorry, I just don’t see DJT as a business magnate in the same class with 
Jack Welch or Warren Buffett.  If you pull any list of the top NYC real estate 
developers, Trump won’t even be on the list.  That’s why the actual real estate 
magnates hold him in such low regard.  Not that their opinion is necessarily 
more important than your average swamp critter.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:14 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story 
of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

 

I think all presidents quickly realize they are in over their head.  No way you 
can actually be prepared for the job.

 

But one thing that Trump has going for him is the proven ability to organize 
and run very large organizations with hundreds of divisions.  

No way he could have been successful in the business world without the ability 
to give his lieutenants free reign. 

 

He is an ass, an megalomaniac, probably a sociopath, narcissistic, probably 
delusional – but I have liked everything he has done so far with the exception 
of the way he is handling Mexico.  I think they need to build an electronic 
wall.  Fiber optic cable 100% of the border with cameras each half miles and 
drones on each camera pole.  Crowdsource the monitoring.  Let the Minuteman 
organizations watch things.  Make the cameras IR so if they see something at 
night, launch the drone to check it out. 

 

From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 10:04 AM

To: Animal Farm 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story 
of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

 

Ha... You'd have better luck getting Trump to agree he is in over his head than 
getting me to respect or like him... No sale

 

On Jan 26, 2017 10:02 AM, "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

Glad to see you are coming around Jaime

 

From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 5:20 PM

To: Animal Farm 

Subject: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story of 
what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2017/01/24/the-true-correct-story-of-what-happened-at-donald-trumps-inauguration/?tid=hybrid_experimentrandom_3_na-amp
 

 &utm_term=.428e092e7fd8

Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

[Chris Trout]

Great point, Tim. I have updated our documentation.

Transmit compression starts at 27 dBm Tx power on backhaul products. TPC backs 
off from this value automatically if SNR allows.

Mimosa backhaul radios are capable of associating at relatively high Rx power 
levels (between -30 and -20 dBm). However, higher power levels cause the 
receivers to saturate, and this increases the error vector magnitude (EVM). For 
this reason, Mimosa recommends designing links with -30 dBm or lower received 
power to avoid saturation.

To optimize RF performance, adjust Tx power on the AP while monitoring both Rx 
power and EVM on the Station side of the link. Tx power should be set to a 
value that results in the lowest EVM value.

The only reason why some compression or saturation may be acceptable is in the 
case of low SNR, which has a larger effect on overall performance.

Chris Trout
Mimosa Networks, Inc.

From: Af  on behalf of "Hardy, Tim" 
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 at 6:47 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

Chris,

It might help us design these properly if we knew what the saturation levels 
were.  We have these for most other radios.

Thanks,

Tim

From: Af  on behalf of Chris Trout 
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 9:22:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

The PHY (Layer 1) is affected by EVM and PER which cause changes in modulation.
The MAC (Layer 2), where TDMA lives, makes use of the PHY but does not change 
it directly.
Changes in the amount and direction of traffic across the link do affect EVM 
and PER, however.

It is likely that the PHY rate is more stable on your link at 1300 Mbps (MCS7) 
than at 1560 Mbps (MCS8), and Auto TDMA is reacting faster to changing 
conditions since it sends a shorter duration of packets for training the PHY 
rate.

As others have recommended, reducing power will avoid saturating the receiver, 
and reduce (improve) EVM. I think that is what we may be seeing here on a very 
short link.

Chris Trout
Mimosa Networks, Inc.

From: Af  on behalf of Chris Wright 
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 at 1:55 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

Traffic Split set to Auto:
PHY1300/1300

Traffic Split set to 75/25, 8ms window:
PHY1560/1300

Anyone can see why one should prefer setting the Traffic Split to 75/25 – it 
provides more bandwidth in one direction.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Faisal Imtiaz [mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Cc: Chris Wright
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

Hi Chris,

I want to compare something with my link...

Can you please share what's the listed PHY rates were on your PCN for the link.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "Chris Wright" mailto:ch...@velociter.net>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 11:21:12 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
Power is already at the minimum (10dBm) on both sides. 2.2km link.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 9:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

>SNR 41, 42, 41, 41

Turn down your power, and bring the SNR in the 30-35 range...
it will improve thruput and allow for the higher modulation.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "Chris Wright" mailto:ch...@velociter.net>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:41:37 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP
Firmware 1.4.4
SNR 41, 42, 41, 41
Flow Control had no effect so it remains disabled for now.
Sent via mobile phone.

On Jan 24, 2017, at 9:05 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>> wrote:
What version for firmware is on the radio ?

and   What your SNR on the two chains (both directions, i.e. 4 readings).

I can tell you that we do not see the behavior you are describing below...
But I can also tell you that we had to do some 'tuning' on settings including 
flow control ..
our B11's plug into netonix Switches

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "Chris Wright" mailto:ch...@velociter.net>>
To: af@afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

he was pretty clear in that in the interview last night, deferring
waterboarding to those who would be doing the waterboarding, said if they
dont want to do it, which they dont, he would support it 100 percent. Whats
going on here is something we have never seen in politics in my lifetime, a
politician actually doing what he said.

I havent quite figured out if we are russians or nazis yet, still waiting
on the SJW verdict. so maybe best to just call him comrade fuhrer of the
trumpenriech, Тигренок of the people

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 11:13 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I think all presidents quickly realize they are in over their head.  No
> way you can actually be prepared for the job.
>
> But one thing that Trump has going for him is the proven ability to
> organize and run very large organizations with hundreds of divisions.
> No way he could have been successful in the business world without the
> ability to give his lieutenants free reign.
>
> He is an ass, an megalomaniac, probably a sociopath, narcissistic,
> probably delusional – but I have liked everything he has done so far with
> the exception of the way he is handling Mexico.  I think they need to build
> an electronic wall.  Fiber optic cable 100% of the border with cameras each
> half miles and drones on each camera pole.  Crowdsource the monitoring.
> Let the Minuteman organizations watch things.  Make the cameras IR so if
> they see something at night, launch the drone to check it out.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 10:04 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct
> story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post
>
> Ha... You'd have better luck getting Trump to agree he is in over his head
> than getting me to respect or like him... No sale
>
> On Jan 26, 2017 10:02 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> Glad to see you are coming around Jaime
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 25, 2017 5:20 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct
>> story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post
>>
>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2017/01/24/
>> the-true-correct-story-of-what-happened-at-donald-trumps-
>> inauguration/?tid=hybrid_experimentrandom_3_na-amp&utm_term=.428e092e7fd8
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

[Chuck McCown]

I think all presidents quickly realize they are in over their head.  No way you 
can actually be prepared for the job.

But one thing that Trump has going for him is the proven ability to organize 
and run very large organizations with hundreds of divisions.  
No way he could have been successful in the business world without the ability 
to give his lieutenants free reign. 

He is an ass, an megalomaniac, probably a sociopath, narcissistic, probably 
delusional – but I have liked everything he has done so far with the exception 
of the way he is handling Mexico.  I think they need to build an electronic 
wall.  Fiber optic cable 100% of the border with cameras each half miles and 
drones on each camera pole.  Crowdsource the monitoring.  Let the Minuteman 
organizations watch things.  Make the cameras IR so if they see something at 
night, launch the drone to check it out. 

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 10:04 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story 
of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

Ha... You'd have better luck getting Trump to agree he is in over his head than 
getting me to respect or like him... No sale

On Jan 26, 2017 10:02 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  Glad to see you are coming around Jaime

  From: Jaime Solorza 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 5:20 PM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story of 
what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

  
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2017/01/24/the-true-correct-story-of-what-happened-at-donald-trumps-inauguration/?tid=hybrid_experimentrandom_3_na-amp&utm_term=.428e092e7fd8

Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

youll come around, comrade

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Ha... You'd have better luck getting Trump to agree he is in over his head
> than getting me to respect or like him... No sale
>
> On Jan 26, 2017 10:02 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> Glad to see you are coming around Jaime
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 25, 2017 5:20 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct
>> story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post
>>
>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2017/01/24/
>> the-true-correct-story-of-what-happened-at-donald-trumps-
>> inauguration/?tid=hybrid_experimentrandom_3_na-amp&utm_term=.428e092e7fd8
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Contractor files $2 million lawsuit against Trump for unpaid bills | TheHill

[Chuck McCown]

Not a billion.

But yeah, late business partner still suing me.  2.5 years and counting.  Have 
not even got to discovery yet.  I think they are afraid of my 225,000 emails 
that support each of my counter claims.  

Even if I ultimately win, I have lost a ton of money.  Funny, a few months ago, 
they sent me an email complaining about how much their lawyers are costing them.

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 9:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Contractor files $2 million lawsuit against Trump for 
unpaid bills | TheHill

chuck mccown, havent you been sued like a billion times?

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 10:01 PM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

  Not first such lawsuit against him

  On Jan 25, 2017 8:29 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

I have been sued for not paying a contractor. I was over billed and less 
work performed than promised.  I have more money than he does.  Does that mean 
that I deserve to be screwed? I think not.  
I am not saying who was right in the case you mentioned; just that not 
paying a contractor and getting sued doesn't mean your wrong. 

On Jan 25, 2017 2:35 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
 wrote:

  seriosly though, has anybody ever FOIAd this lease?

  On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:

Stupid me... Alternative facts... Sorry sorry comrades

On Jan 25, 2017 1:28 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
 wrote:

  that would not be his problem now, he doesnt own it

  On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 2:05 PM, Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:

Classy guy 


http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/316098-contractor-files-2-million-against-trump-for-unpaid-bills?amp=1




  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.




  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team 
as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.




-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

[Jaime Solorza]

Ha... You'd have better luck getting Trump to agree he is in over his head
than getting me to respect or like him... No sale

On Jan 26, 2017 10:02 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Glad to see you are coming around Jaime
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 25, 2017 5:20 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct
> story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post
>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2017/01/
> 24/the-true-correct-story-of-what-happened-at-donald-
> trumps-inauguration/?tid=hybrid_experimentrandom_3_na-
> amp&utm_term=.428e092e7fd8
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

[Chuck McCown]

Glad to see you are coming around Jaime

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 5:20 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story of 
what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2017/01/24/the-true-correct-story-of-what-happened-at-donald-trumps-inauguration/?tid=hybrid_experimentrandom_3_na-amp&utm_term=.428e092e7fd8

Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

[Chuck McCown]

They killed the draft right before I turned draft age.  What a relief.  
In my mind the late 70s were pretty ideal.  Good music, girls.   oh 
man.  STDs were more of a bother than life threatening...   Had a brand new 
Z28 Camaro.  Ronald Reagan was making headway with the USSR.

Interest rates were high though, I had certificates of deposit earning 
something like 14%.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 5:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

The people who want to make America great again, I’m unclear on exactly when 
that was?   Usually the assumption is around 50 years ago, but All In The 
Family was set in the 60’s, and it seems that Archie Bunker had the exact same 
gripes then.

 

Obviously there were no SFPs then, so what is the missing ingredient?  Glenn 
Miller?  That would be around 1940.

 

I will tell you that I turned draft age in 1968, and there were some 
not-so-great things about the 60’s.  My kids however assume that was before 
sex, drugs and rock&roll, apparently they have not seen any Austin Powers 
movies.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 5:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

 

 



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 3:58:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

Only one of them have an SFP.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 4:56 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

  Mimosa B11s vs UNBT AF-11X.  Getting ready to deploy some 11 Ghz wireless 
links  here

   

  Paul McCall, President

  PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

  658 Old Dixie Highway

  Vero Beach, FL 32962

  772-564-6800  

  pa...@pdmnet.net

  www.pdmnet.com

  www.floridabroadband.com

   

   

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

[Lewis Bergman]

Yea, I really can't imagine doing licensed without full duplex.

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 9:07 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> The B11 does not really do full duplex. It's kind of a bastard in that
> regard.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 1/25/2017 2:08 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote:
>
> Note the B11 can run full duplex, but the TDMA mode is so much better.
> Lol
>
>
>
> Dennis Burgess
>
> www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 <(314)%20735-0270> –
> dmburg...@linktechs.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 25, 2017 4:04 PM
> *To:* af  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B
>
>
>
> Depends on your requirements. The B11 has a bit more overall capacity, and
> SFP. The AF-11 is a little cheaper, full duplex and more spectrally
> efficient. For links that require less than 600Mbps (each direction), the
> AF-11 looks better to me... but I haven't actually used any yet, so my
> opinion might change once we get a link or two up...
>
> We do have two B11 links up that are doing their jobs just fine.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 3:56 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> Mimosa B11s vs UNBT AF-11X.  Getting ready to deploy some 11 Ghz wireless
> links  here
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <%28772%29%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

[AFMUG] Vubiq Haulpass V60

[Gino Villarini]

Anyone has experience with this gear?



Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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[AFMUG] Titanfall 2

[Mike Hammett]

Does anyone here have Titanfall 2? I'm trying to figure out what an IP address 
is of their St. Louis servers.

Thanks.



-Mike HammettIntelligent Computing SolutionsMidwest Internet ExchangeThe 
Brothers WISP

Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Mein fuhrer is displeased

On Jan 26, 2017 8:54 AM, "Carl Peterson"  wrote:

> More fake news from the failing Washington Post.  Insulting my great
> supporters by calling them 7s.  I was there and believe me they were all
> 10s.  Maybe a few 9s but mostly 10s.
>
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 7:51 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Had to stop reading once it said sevens. The trumpenreich would not allow
>> less than an 8. Fake news, praise kek.
>>
>>
>> On Jan 25, 2017 6:20 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2017/01/24/t
>> he-true-correct-story-of-what-happened-at-donald-trumps-inau
>> guration/?tid=hybrid_experimentrandom_3_na-amp&utm_term=.428e092e7fd8
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> Carl Peterson
>
> *PORT NETWORKS*
>
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>
> Baltimore, MD 21202
>
> (410) 637-3707
>

Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

[Bill Prince]

The B11 does not really do full duplex. It's kind of a bastard in that 
regard.



bp


On 1/25/2017 2:08 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote:


Note the B11 can run full duplex, but the TDMA mode is so much 
better.  Lol


Dennis Burgess

www.linktechs.net  – 314-735-0270 x103 – 
dmburg...@linktechs.net 


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 25, 2017 4:04 PM
*To:* af 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] the Verdict ? - Mimosa B

Depends on your requirements. The B11 has a bit more overall capacity, 
and SFP. The AF-11 is a little cheaper, full duplex and more 
spectrally efficient. For links that require less than 600Mbps (each 
direction), the AF-11 looks better to me... but I haven't actually 
used any yet, so my opinion might change once we get a link or two up...


We do have two B11 links up that are doing their jobs just fine.

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 3:56 PM, Paul McCall > wrote:


Mimosa B11s vs UNBT AF-11X.  Getting ready to deploy some 11 Ghz
wireless links  here

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 

pa...@pdmnet.net 

www.pdmnet.com 

www.floridabroadband.com 

Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington Post

[Carl Peterson]

More fake news from the failing Washington Post.  Insulting my great
supporters by calling them 7s.  I was there and believe me they were all
10s.  Maybe a few 9s but mostly 10s.

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 7:51 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Had to stop reading once it said sevens. The trumpenreich would not allow
> less than an 8. Fake news, praise kek.
>
>
> On Jan 25, 2017 6:20 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2017/01/24/
> the-true-correct-story-of-what-happened-at-donald-trumps-
> inauguration/?tid=hybrid_experimentrandom_3_na-amp&utm_term=.428e092e7fd8
>
>
>


-- 

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707