date:20170223

didnt ready net go under?

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 7:38 PM, Jason Wilson 
wrote:

> It looks like ReadyNet routers are pretty much the same device as the
> R200/201.  Is there anyway to flash them with the cambium software and have
> them connect to CNmastreo?
>
> J
>
> Jason Wilson
> Remotely Located
> Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
> 530-651-1736 <(530)%20651-1736>
> 530-748-9608 <(530)%20748-9608> Cell
> www.remotelylocated.com
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

british news in general seems alot more centered, but they dont have
"freedom of the press" so there is a little more integrity in journalism
since they cant just lie unabated

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 7:34 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> I don't watch those.  Zaz...I copy links from Google News to harass you
> guys...But I watch BBC, Deustch world, Japanese and Mexican news channels
> along with local station  And I don't know what it is to be
> bored...Wife in good mood.. maybe I can get recipe from herTrump is
> still not on my Christmas card list
>
> On Feb 23, 2017 6:08 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
> If BS detector is off, how can you access MSNBC, CNN or Washington Post?
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 5:47 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling
>
> Really? None of my devices can access Fox News...And I have my bullshit
> detector on lowest setting
>
> On Feb 23, 2017 1:48 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> One for Jaime:
>> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/23/sweden-democrats-
>> trump-was-right.html
>>
>> *From:* Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:42 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling
>>
>> Oh, and I had a business partner for 30 years that was trans yes  I
>> have known trans people
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:33 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling
>>
>>
>> Once you know someone who is transgender, it turns out not to be like
>> that at all.  There are exceptions to everything, but if the first thing
>> that comes to your mind is identifying as a girl to shower with the girls,
>> then probably you don’t have any friends or relatives that are
>> transgender.  Well, that is unlikely, more likely you just don’t know they
>> are trans.
>>
>>
>>
>> And school kids unfortunately take the brunt of this.  Anywhere else, are
>> there really going to be bathroom police checking birth certificates?
>> There’s a creepy thought.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:52 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT trolling
>>
>>
>>
>> Bored.
>>
>> If this was mid 1970s and if I discovered that the president said I could
>> shower with the girls at school it I “identified as a girl”, I sure as hell
>> would have identified as a girl
>>
>>
>>
>> I have not heard a single commentator address this issue.  Boys will be
>> boys.  What do the lgbtqrstuv folks have as an answer to this situation?
>>
>>
>>
>> They don’t seem to be interested in protecting the rights of my
>> granddaughter to not have the boy’s football team in there after volleyball
>> practice.
>>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] Readynet Routers

2017-02-23 Thread Jason Wilson

It looks like ReadyNet routers are pretty much the same device as the
R200/201.  Is there anyway to flash them with the cambium software and have
them connect to CNmastreo?

J

Jason Wilson
Remotely Located
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
530-651-1736
530-748-9608 Cell
www.remotelylocated.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

2017-02-23 Thread Josh Reynolds

There are some animals that change gender throughout their life cycle
(mainly fish, eels, etc).

Weird stuff.

On Feb 23, 2017 6:33 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> life is easy, I identify two genders, he/ and she, when actual science
> from actual scientists who follow actual principles of science say
> otherwise, Ill listen (genetic anamolies are not examples of new, theyre
> failed mutations)
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 5:07 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
>
>> I am Darth Tater
>>
>> On 2/23/2017 4:32 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> Ha, that is fun indeed.
>> I wouldnï¿½t mind using Viceroy, or perhaps His Eruditeness.ï¿½ Grand
>> poobah works too.ï¿½
>> ï¿½
>> *From:* Dan Petermann
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 3:03 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling
>> ï¿½
>> I like this guys response to that issue at UM. I imagine he really pissed
>> off his professors.ï¿½
>> ï¿½
>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2016/10/07/
>> a-university-told-students-to-select-their-gender-pronouns-
>> one-chose-his-majesty/
>> ï¿½
>> On Feb 23, 2017, at 1:49 PM, Jason McKemie > com> wrote:
>>
>> Where it gets really crazy is when they start passing laws that you
>> legally have to refer to someone by a pronoun of their choosing.ï¿½ They
>> have something like this in Canada right now.
>> ï¿½
>> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> I know it will be tried.ï¿½
>>> ï¿½
>>> We drilled a hole from the boyï¿½s shower to the girlsï¿½ shower.ï¿½
>>> First chance I got to look through the hole all I saw was Penni
>>> Depriestï¿½s eye looking in on me.ï¿½ Then they put a bolt through the
>>> holeï¿½ I felt like I was part of the Porkyï¿½s movie.ï¿½
>>> ï¿½
>>> I have no clue how to attempt to help someone that is trans with this
>>> problem and not cause much more troubles for others.ï¿½ Force the schools
>>> to build third facilities with a question mark over the doors?ï¿½ I wonder
>>> how the military does it in the barracks?
>>> ï¿½
>>> And if there was bathroom police checking birth certificates, does that
>>> really matter as it may say one thing on the certificate but they recently
>>> decided to identify as something else.ï¿½ Isnï¿½t there one ï¿½identityï¿½
>>> that is ï¿½fluidï¿½ or some such thing?
>>> ï¿½
>>> ï¿½
>>> ï¿½
>>> ï¿½
>>> ï¿½
>>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:33 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling
>>> ï¿½
>>>
>>> Once you know someone who is transgender, it turns out not to be like
>>> that at all.ï¿½ There are exceptions to everything, but if the first thing
>>> that comes to your mind is identifying as a girl to shower with the girls,
>>> then probably you donï¿½t have any friends or relatives that are
>>> transgender.ï¿½ Well, that is unlikely, more likely you just donï¿½t know
>>> they are trans.
>>>
>>> ï¿½
>>>
>>> And school kids unfortunately take the brunt of this.ï¿½ Anywhere else,
>>> are there really going to be bathroom police checking birth
>>> certificates?ï¿½ Thereï¿½s a creepy thought.
>>>
>>> ï¿½
>>>
>>> ï¿½
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:52 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT trolling
>>>
>>> ï¿½
>>>
>>> Bored.
>>>
>>> If this was mid 1970s and if I discovered that the president said I
>>> could shower with the girls at school it I ï¿½identified as a girlï¿½, I
>>> sure as hell would have identified as a girl
>>>
>>> ï¿½
>>>
>>> I have not heard a single commentator address this issue.ï¿½ Boys will
>>> be boys.ï¿½ What do the lgbtqrstuv folks have as an answer to this
>>> situation?
>>>
>>> ï¿½
>>>
>>> They donï¿½t seem to be interested in protecting the rights of my
>>> granddaughter to not have the boyï¿½s football team in there after
>>> volleyball practice.ï¿½
>>>
>> ï¿½
>>
>> ï¿½
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

If BS detector is off, how can you access MSNBC, CNN or Washington Post?

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 5:47 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

Really? None of my devices can access Fox News...And I have my bullshit 
detector on lowest setting

On Feb 23, 2017 1:48 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  One for Jaime:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/23/sweden-democrats-trump-was-right.html

  From: Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:42 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

  Oh, and I had a business partner for 30 years that was trans yes  I have 
known trans people

  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:33 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

  Once you know someone who is transgender, it turns out not to be like that at 
all.  There are exceptions to everything, but if the first thing that comes to 
your mind is identifying as a girl to shower with the girls, then probably you 
don’t have any friends or relatives that are transgender.  Well, that is 
unlikely, more likely you just don’t know they are trans.

  And school kids unfortunately take the brunt of this.  Anywhere else, are 
there really going to be bathroom police checking birth certificates?  There’s 
a creepy thought.

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:52 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT trolling

  Bored.

  If this was mid 1970s and if I discovered that the president said I could 
shower with the girls at school it I “identified as a girl”, I sure as hell 
would have identified as a girl

  I have not heard a single commentator address this issue.  Boys will be boys. 
 What do the lgbtqrstuv folks have as an answer to this situation?

  They don’t seem to be interested in protecting the rights of my granddaughter 
to not have the boy’s football team in there after volleyball practice.

Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

What does the Fox say?

 

I heard Spicey said something today about a crackdown on recreational 
marijuana.  First he says Dippin Dots aren’t the ice cream of the future, now 
this weed crackdown, it’s so depressing.  Can I switch to the dishonest 
lamestream media and watch some cat videos?

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 6:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

 

dude, if its on fox news its true, they said so

 

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 6:47 PM, Jaime Solorza  > wrote:

Really? None of my devices can access Fox News...And I have my bullshit 
detector on lowest setting

 

On Feb 23, 2017 1:48 PM, "Chuck McCown"  > wrote:

One for Jaime:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/23/sweden-democrats-trump-was-right.html

 

From: Chuck McCown 

Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:42 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

 

Oh, and I had a business partner for 30 years that was trans yes  I have 
known trans people

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:33 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

 

Once you know someone who is transgender, it turns out not to be like that at 
all.  There are exceptions to everything, but if the first thing that comes to 
your mind is identifying as a girl to shower with the girls, then probably you 
don’t have any friends or relatives that are transgender.  Well, that is 
unlikely, more likely you just don’t know they are trans.

 

And school kids unfortunately take the brunt of this.  Anywhere else, are there 
really going to be bathroom police checking birth certificates?  There’s a 
creepy thought.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: [AFMUG] OT trolling

 

Bored.

If this was mid 1970s and if I discovered that the president said I could 
shower with the girls at school it I “identified as a girl”, I sure as hell 
would have identified as a girl

 

I have not heard a single commentator address this issue.  Boys will be boys.  
What do the lgbtqrstuv folks have as an answer to this situation?

 

They don’t seem to be interested in protecting the rights of my granddaughter 
to not have the boy’s football team in there after volleyball practice.  





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] form 477 filing

2017-02-23 Thread Jeremy

The last year that this happened they extended the deadline.

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 5:35 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> sweet!! no more back door to ROWs
>
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Jordan Gregory <
> jgreg...@hive-wireless.com> wrote:
>
>> So I still need to file ... not sure what is up. Interface is still
>> unavailable.
>>
>> Should I do it manually?
>>
>> Thank You,
>>
>> Jordan Gregory
>> Founder / CEO
>> Hive Wireless, LLC
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 6:34 AM, Dave  wrote:
>>
>>> Exactly, I already filed so I dont know why I got another notice LOL
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 02/23/2017 08:18 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>>
>>> Seven minutes after I get an e-mail from the FCC reminding me to file.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Dave"  
>>> *To: *"Animal Farm"  
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:17:55 AM
>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] form 477 filing
>>>
>>> seems the filing interface is offline till further notice so hopefully
>>> its back up before march 1st :)
>>>
>>>  https://apps2.fcc.gov/form477/login.xhtml
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] 5G

2017-02-23 Thread Harold Bledsoe

LOL yes!

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 7:50 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> What is this “CD” of which you speak?  Is that some sort of physical
> media?  That you would actually pay for?  And not stream from the cloud?
>
>
>
> I’m vaguely remembering something called a Sony Discman.  Track a spinning
> disc with a laser while running or exercising.  Yeah, that’ll work great.
>
>
>
> I’m hearing of a new technology called VINYL that is all the rage with the
> kids, maybe I need to check that out.
>
>
>
> Anyway, I think this is the last CD I bought:
>
> https://www.amazon.com/KIN-KT-Tunstall/dp/B01J3SK1O4
>
> Like most albums, 3-4 good tracks.  So I do see the logic in buying
> individual songs for like $1 each.
>
>
>
> Meanwhile, I’m picturing Chuck listening to Kenny Chesney singing “She
> Thinks My Tractor’s Sexy”.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Harold Bledsoe
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 5:43 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5G
>
>
>
> Or even worse we'll have to listen to our cd collection from yesteryear.
> What would that look like in the Hohhof household? :-)
>
>
>
> Hal
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 6:00 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> I got a call today from a customer who had bought a gizmo to extend his
> WiFi to his yard so he could listen to music while mowing the lawn.
>
>
>
> Remember when we could listen to music without the Internet?  Transistor
> radio.  Walkman.  iPod.  Or just load a bunch of songs on your phone.
> Nope.  Everything today needs the Internet and an app.  I assume if “the
> cloud” ever goes down, people will fall to the ground and flop around like
> fish.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 4:47 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5G
>
>
>
> It would be interesting to know how many others on that tower were using
> data etc.  Not bad though for a hand held device with nlos.  What are your
> ping times?
>
>
>
> *From:* Harold Bledsoe
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 3:42 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5G
>
>
>
> Here's my internet speed:
>
>
>
> [image: speed.png]
>
>
>
> I have 2 choices for internet today - AT 5Mbps/.5Mbps adsl (with random
> 30s outages) OR LTE modem.  You can guess which one I use.
>
>
>
> I'm not sure how much data I use.  It says month to date is almost 200GB.
>
>
>
> I think I'm the only one on the tower.  I pay $150/mo for "unlimited" and
> one day I'll be given the boot I suppose since I doubt this is an
> officially sanctioned plan.
>
>
>
> This is not sustainable for a national operator using licensed bands as a
> business model.  I kinda doubt I'll ever see 5G from a large carrier at my
> house.  It just doesn't make sense.  My next round of fast internet has to
> come from one of you guys.
>
>
>
> Viva el/la WISP!  ;-)
>
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 9:19 AM Gino Villarini  wrote:
>
> Ken,
>
>
>
> Yes the customer might think that its qgig for them… but still the
> experience would be far better that they have now… worst case scenario
> 50megs for them?
>
>
>
> As carries add capacity (via this technologies and more spectrum) , they
> will continue to raise the cap bar.  We might see in the future a cap high
> enough that a big segment of the market will ditch fixed broadband and just
> have mobile.
>
>
>
> *From: *Af  on behalf of Ken Hohhof  >
> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Date: *Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 10:12 AM
>
>
> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 5G
>
> Manufacturer/carrier says:  we demonstrated a basestation with gigabit
> aggregate capacity
>
>
>
> Customer hears:  gigabit speed, all for me
>
>
>
> Also articles about watching 8K 3D TV on your phone, ignoring $10 per GB
> data usage charges.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
>
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 7:04 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5G
>
>
>
> Not really
>
>
>
>
> https://www.telegeography.com/products/commsupdate/articles/2017/02/23/sprint-ericsson-to-demo-gigabit-data-speeds-over-td-lte/?utm_source=CommsUpdate_campaign=842ec531cf-CommsUpdate+23+February+2017_medium=email_term=0_0688983330-842ec531cf-8827113
>
>
>
> *From: *Af  on behalf of Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Date: *Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 12:30 AM
>
>
> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 5G
>
>
>
> In a lab with unlimited spectrum maybe. It will be a fraction of this in
> all reality. They could get closer with millimeter wave, but that's a
> different animal entirely.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 22, 2017, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> Check this out

Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

dude, if its on fox news its true, they said so

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 6:47 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Really? None of my devices can access Fox News...And I have my bullshit
> detector on lowest setting
>
> On Feb 23, 2017 1:48 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> One for Jaime:
>> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/23/sweden-democrats-
>> trump-was-right.html
>>
>> *From:* Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:42 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling
>>
>> Oh, and I had a business partner for 30 years that was trans yes  I
>> have known trans people
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:33 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling
>>
>>
>> Once you know someone who is transgender, it turns out not to be like
>> that at all.  There are exceptions to everything, but if the first thing
>> that comes to your mind is identifying as a girl to shower with the girls,
>> then probably you don’t have any friends or relatives that are
>> transgender.  Well, that is unlikely, more likely you just don’t know they
>> are trans.
>>
>>
>>
>> And school kids unfortunately take the brunt of this.  Anywhere else, are
>> there really going to be bathroom police checking birth certificates?
>> There’s a creepy thought.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:52 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT trolling
>>
>>
>>
>> Bored.
>>
>> If this was mid 1970s and if I discovered that the president said I could
>> shower with the girls at school it I “identified as a girl”, I sure as hell
>> would have identified as a girl
>>
>>
>>
>> I have not heard a single commentator address this issue.  Boys will be
>> boys.  What do the lgbtqrstuv folks have as an answer to this situation?
>>
>>
>>
>> They don’t seem to be interested in protecting the rights of my
>> granddaughter to not have the boy’s football team in there after volleyball
>> practice.
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] 5G

What is this “CD” of which you speak?  Is that some sort of physical media?  
That you would actually pay for?  And not stream from the cloud?

 

I’m vaguely remembering something called a Sony Discman.  Track a spinning disc 
with a laser while running or exercising.  Yeah, that’ll work great.

 

I’m hearing of a new technology called VINYL that is all the rage with the 
kids, maybe I need to check that out.

 

Anyway, I think this is the last CD I bought:

https://www.amazon.com/KIN-KT-Tunstall/dp/B01J3SK1O4

Like most albums, 3-4 good tracks.  So I do see the logic in buying individual 
songs for like $1 each.

 

Meanwhile, I’m picturing Chuck listening to Kenny Chesney singing “She Thinks 
My Tractor’s Sexy”.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Harold Bledsoe
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 5:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5G

 

Or even worse we'll have to listen to our cd collection from yesteryear. What 
would that look like in the Hohhof household? :-)

 

Hal

 

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 6:00 PM Ken Hohhof  > wrote:

I got a call today from a customer who had bought a gizmo to extend his WiFi to 
his yard so he could listen to music while mowing the lawn.

 

Remember when we could listen to music without the Internet?  Transistor radio. 
 Walkman.  iPod.  Or just load a bunch of songs on your phone.  Nope.  
Everything today needs the Internet and an app.  I assume if “the cloud” ever 
goes down, people will fall to the ground and flop around like fish.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 4:47 PM


To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5G

 

It would be interesting to know how many others on that tower were using data 
etc.  Not bad though for a hand held device with nlos.  What are your ping 
times?

 

From: Harold Bledsoe 

Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 3:42 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5G

 

Here's my internet speed: 

 



 

I have 2 choices for internet today - AT 5Mbps/.5Mbps adsl (with random 30s 
outages) OR LTE modem.  You can guess which one I use.

 

I'm not sure how much data I use.  It says month to date is almost 200GB.

 

I think I'm the only one on the tower.  I pay $150/mo for "unlimited" and one 
day I'll be given the boot I suppose since I doubt this is an officially 
sanctioned plan.

 

This is not sustainable for a national operator using licensed bands as a 
business model.  I kinda doubt I'll ever see 5G from a large carrier at my 
house.  It just doesn't make sense.  My next round of fast internet has to come 
from one of you guys.

 

Viva el/la WISP!  ;-)

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 9:19 AM Gino Villarini  > wrote:

Ken, 

 

Yes the customer might think that its qgig for them… but still the experience 
would be far better that they have now… worst case scenario 50megs for them? 

 

As carries add capacity (via this technologies and more spectrum) , they will 
continue to raise the cap bar.  We might see in the future a cap high enough 
that a big segment of the market will ditch fixed broadband and just have 
mobile. 

 

From: Af  > on behalf of Ken 
Hohhof  >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com  "  >
Date: Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 10:12 AM


To: "af@afmug.com  "  >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5G

Manufacturer/carrier says:  we demonstrated a basestation with gigabit 
aggregate capacity

 

Customer hears:  gigabit speed, all for me

 

Also articles about watching 8K 3D TV on your phone, ignoring $10 per GB data 
usage charges.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini


Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 7:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5G

 

Not really

 

https://www.telegeography.com/products/commsupdate/articles/2017/02/23/sprint-ericsson-to-demo-gigabit-data-speeds-over-td-lte/?utm_source=CommsUpdate
 

 
_campaign=842ec531cf-CommsUpdate+23+February+2017_medium=email_term=0_0688983330-842ec531cf-8827113

 

From: Af  > on behalf of 
Jason McKemie  >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com  "  >
Date: Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 12:30 AM


To: "af@afmug.com  "

Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

2017-02-23 Thread Jaime Solorza

Really? None of my devices can access Fox News...And I have my bullshit
detector on lowest setting

On Feb 23, 2017 1:48 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> One for Jaime:
> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/23/sweden-
> democrats-trump-was-right.html
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:42 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling
>
> Oh, and I had a business partner for 30 years that was trans yes  I
> have known trans people
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:33 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling
>
>
> Once you know someone who is transgender, it turns out not to be like that
> at all.  There are exceptions to everything, but if the first thing that
> comes to your mind is identifying as a girl to shower with the girls, then
> probably you don’t have any friends or relatives that are transgender.
> Well, that is unlikely, more likely you just don’t know they are trans.
>
>
>
> And school kids unfortunately take the brunt of this.  Anywhere else, are
> there really going to be bathroom police checking birth certificates?
> There’s a creepy thought.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:52 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT trolling
>
>
>
> Bored.
>
> If this was mid 1970s and if I discovered that the president said I could
> shower with the girls at school it I “identified as a girl”, I sure as hell
> would have identified as a girl
>
>
>
> I have not heard a single commentator address this issue.  Boys will be
> boys.  What do the lgbtqrstuv folks have as an answer to this situation?
>
>
>
> They don’t seem to be interested in protecting the rights of my
> granddaughter to not have the boy’s football team in there after volleyball
> practice.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

https://www.sciencechannelgo.com/through-the-wormhole-with-morgan-freeman/are-there-more-than-two-sexes/?
 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "That One Guy /sarcasm"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 6:33:13 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling 


life is easy, I identify two genders, he/ and she, when actual science from 
actual scientists who follow actual principles of science say otherwise, Ill 
listen (genetic anamolies are not examples of new, theyre failed mutations) 




On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 5:07 PM, George Skorup < george.sko...@cbcast.com > 
wrote: 



I am Darth Tater 


On 2/23/2017 4:32 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: 





Ha, that is fun indeed. 
I wouldnï¿½t mind using Viceroy, or perhaps His Eruditeness.ï¿½ Grand poobah 
works too.ï¿½ 


ï¿½ 

From: Dan Petermann 
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 3:03 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling 
ï¿½ 
I like this guys response to that issue at UM. I imagine he really pissed off 
his professors.ï¿½ 
ï¿½ 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2016/10/07/a-university-told-students-to-select-their-gender-pronouns-one-chose-his-majesty/
 

ï¿½ 

On Feb 23, 2017, at 1:49 PM, Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com > 
wrote: 



Where it gets really crazy is when they start passing laws that you legally 
have to refer to someone by a pronoun of their choosing.ï¿½ They have something 
like this in Canada right now. 

ï¿½ 
On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






I know it will be tried.ï¿½ 
ï¿½ 
We drilled a hole from the boyï¿½s shower to the girlsï¿½ shower.ï¿½ First 
chance I got to look through the hole all I saw was Penni Depriestï¿½s eye 
looking in on me.ï¿½ Then they put a bolt through the holeï¿½ I felt like I 
was part of the Porkyï¿½s movie.ï¿½ 
ï¿½ 
I have no clue how to attempt to help someone that is trans with this problem 
and not cause much more troubles for others.ï¿½ Force the schools to build 
third facilities with a question mark over the doors?ï¿½ I wonder how the 
military does it in the barracks? 
ï¿½ 
And if there was bathroom police checking birth certificates, does that really 
matter as it may say one thing on the certificate but they recently decided to 
identify as something else.ï¿½ Isnï¿½t there one ï¿½identityï¿½ that is 
ï¿½fluidï¿½ or some such thing? 
ï¿½ 
ï¿½ 
ï¿½ 
ï¿½ 


ï¿½ 

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:33 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling 
ï¿½ 




Once you know someone who is transgender, it turns out not to be like that at 
all.ï¿½ There are exceptions to everything, but if the first thing that comes 
to your mind is identifying as a girl to shower with the girls, then probably 
you donï¿½t have any friends or relatives that are transgender.ï¿½ Well, that 
is unlikely, more likely you just donï¿½t know they are trans. 
ï¿½ 
And school kids unfortunately take the brunt of this.ï¿½ Anywhere else, are 
there really going to be bathroom police checking birth certificates?ï¿½ 
Thereï¿½s a creepy thought. 
ï¿½ 
ï¿½ 


From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown 
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:52 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT trolling 
ï¿½ 



Bored. 

If this was mid 1970s and if I discovered that the president said I could 
shower with the girls at school it I ï¿½identified as a girlï¿½, I sure as hell 
would have identified as a girl 

ï¿½ 

I have not heard a single commentator address this issue.ï¿½ Boys will be 
boys.ï¿½ What do the lgbtqrstuv folks have as an answer to this situation? 

ï¿½ 

They donï¿½t seem to be interested in protecting the rights of my granddaughter 
to not have the boyï¿½s football team in there after volleyball practice.ï¿½ 


ï¿½ 


ï¿½ 








-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] form 477 filing

sweet!! no more back door to ROWs

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Jordan Gregory  wrote:

> So I still need to file ... not sure what is up. Interface is still
> unavailable.
>
> Should I do it manually?
>
> Thank You,
>
> Jordan Gregory
> Founder / CEO
> Hive Wireless, LLC
>
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 6:34 AM, Dave  wrote:
>
>> Exactly, I already filed so I dont know why I got another notice LOL
>>
>>
>>
>> On 02/23/2017 08:18 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>
>> Seven minutes after I get an e-mail from the FCC reminding me to file.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Dave"  
>> *To: *"Animal Farm"  
>> *Sent: *Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:17:55 AM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] form 477 filing
>>
>> seems the filing interface is offline till further notice so hopefully
>> its back up before march 1st :)
>>
>>  https://apps2.fcc.gov/form477/login.xhtml
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

life is easy, I identify two genders, he/ and she, when actual science from
actual scientists who follow actual principles of science say otherwise,
Ill listen (genetic anamolies are not examples of new, theyre failed
mutations)


On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 5:07 PM, George Skorup 
wrote:

> I am Darth Tater
>
> On 2/23/2017 4:32 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Ha, that is fun indeed.
> I wouldnï¿½t mind using Viceroy, or perhaps His Eruditeness.ï¿½ Grand
> poobah works too.ï¿½
> ï¿½
> *From:* Dan Petermann
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 3:03 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling
> ï¿½
> I like this guys response to that issue at UM. I imagine he really pissed
> off his professors.ï¿½
> ï¿½
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2016/10/
> 07/a-university-told-students-to-select-their-gender-
> pronouns-one-chose-his-majesty/
> ï¿½
> On Feb 23, 2017, at 1:49 PM, Jason McKemie  com> wrote:
>
> Where it gets really crazy is when they start passing laws that you
> legally have to refer to someone by a pronoun of their choosing.ï¿½ They
> have something like this in Canada right now.
> ï¿½
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> I know it will be tried.ï¿½
>> ï¿½
>> We drilled a hole from the boyï¿½s shower to the girlsï¿½ shower.ï¿½
>> First chance I got to look through the hole all I saw was Penni
>> Depriestï¿½s eye looking in on me.ï¿½ Then they put a bolt through the
>> holeï¿½ I felt like I was part of the Porkyï¿½s movie.ï¿½
>> ï¿½
>> I have no clue how to attempt to help someone that is trans with this
>> problem and not cause much more troubles for others.ï¿½ Force the schools
>> to build third facilities with a question mark over the doors?ï¿½ I wonder
>> how the military does it in the barracks?
>> ï¿½
>> And if there was bathroom police checking birth certificates, does that
>> really matter as it may say one thing on the certificate but they recently
>> decided to identify as something else.ï¿½ Isnï¿½t there one ï¿½identityï¿½
>> that is ï¿½fluidï¿½ or some such thing?
>> ï¿½
>> ï¿½
>> ï¿½
>> ï¿½
>> ï¿½
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:33 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling
>> ï¿½
>>
>> Once you know someone who is transgender, it turns out not to be like
>> that at all.ï¿½ There are exceptions to everything, but if the first thing
>> that comes to your mind is identifying as a girl to shower with the girls,
>> then probably you donï¿½t have any friends or relatives that are
>> transgender.ï¿½ Well, that is unlikely, more likely you just donï¿½t know
>> they are trans.
>>
>> ï¿½
>>
>> And school kids unfortunately take the brunt of this.ï¿½ Anywhere else,
>> are there really going to be bathroom police checking birth
>> certificates?ï¿½ Thereï¿½s a creepy thought.
>>
>> ï¿½
>>
>> ï¿½
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:52 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT trolling
>>
>> ï¿½
>>
>> Bored.
>>
>> If this was mid 1970s and if I discovered that the president said I could
>> shower with the girls at school it I ï¿½identified as a girlï¿½, I sure as
>> hell would have identified as a girl
>>
>> ï¿½
>>
>> I have not heard a single commentator address this issue.ï¿½ Boys will be
>> boys.ï¿½ What do the lgbtqrstuv folks have as an answer to this situation?
>>
>> ï¿½
>>
>> They donï¿½t seem to be interested in protecting the rights of my
>> granddaughter to not have the boyï¿½s football team in there after
>> volleyball practice.ï¿½
>>
> ï¿½
>
> ï¿½
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Adding second power supply to CMM4

2017-02-23 Thread Darren Shea

I did that with a rack-mount CMM4 before – connected the terminals to the 29V 
supply, then plugged it in. No effect on the PMP320s, and it worked perfectly 
for the new PMP450 AP.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 2:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Adding second power supply to CMM4

We have a CMM4 in production with 56v supply that powers 4 PMP320's. We are 
adding a 450 AP next week. Can we connect up a 29v supply without disrupting 
the CMM4?

I realize this is not recommended practice but don't want to create an outage 
if possible.

Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

2017-02-23 Thread George Skorup

I am Darth Tater

On 2/23/2017 4:32 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Ha, that is fun indeed.
I wouldnï¿½t mind using Viceroy, or perhaps His Eruditeness. Grand
poobah works too.

*From:* Dan Petermann
*Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 3:03 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling
I like this guys response to that issue at UM. I imagine he really
pissed off his professors.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2016/10/07/a-university-told-students-to-select-their-gender-pronouns-one-chose-his-majesty/
On Feb 23, 2017, at 1:49 PM, Jason McKemie
wrote:

Where it gets really crazy is when they start passing laws that you
legally have to refer to someone by a pronoun of their choosing.
They have something like this in Canada right now.

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I know it will be tried.
We drilled a hole from the boyï¿½s shower to the girlsï¿½ shower.
First chance I got to look through the hole all I saw was Penni

Depriestï¿½s eye looking in on me. Then they put a bolt through
the hole I felt like I was part of the Porkyï¿½s movie.
I have no clue how to attempt to help someone that is trans with
this problem and not cause much more troubles for others. Force
the schools to build third facilities with a question mark over
the doors? I wonder how the military does it in the barracks?
And if there was bathroom police checking birth certificates,
does that really matter as it may say one thing on the
certificate but they recently decided to identify as something
else. Isnï¿½t there one ï¿½identityï¿½ that is ï¿½fluidï¿½ or some such
thing?
*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:33 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

Once you know someone who is transgender, it turns out not to be
like that at all. There are exceptions to everything, but if the
first thing that comes to your mind is identifying as a girl to
shower with the girls, then probably you donï¿½t have any friends
or relatives that are transgender. Well, that is unlikely, more
likely you just donï¿½t know they are trans.

And school kids unfortunately take the brunt of this. Anywhere
else, are there really going to be bathroom police checking birth
certificates? Thereï¿½s a creepy thought.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:52 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT trolling

Bored.

If this was mid 1970s and if I discovered that the president said
I could shower with the girls at school it I ï¿½identified as a
girlï¿½, I sure as hell would have identified as a girl

I have not heard a single commentator address this issue. Boys
will be boys. What do the lgbtqrstuv folks have as an answer to
this situation?

They donï¿½t seem to be interested in protecting the rights of my
granddaughter to not have the boyï¿½s football team in there after
volleyball practice.

Re: [AFMUG] 5G

2017-02-23 Thread Harold Bledsoe

This is an LTE modem tethered to a mikrotik by usb so it feeds all the
network and our cord cutter lifestyle. :-)

I'm guessing very few use the tower and zero use it like me.

Ping times are 40-50ms.

Hal

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 5:47 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> It would be interesting to know how many others on that tower were using
> data etc.  Not bad though for a hand held device with nlos.  What are your
> ping times?
>
> *From:* Harold Bledsoe
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 3:42 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5G
> Here's my internet speed:
>
> [image: speed.png]
>
> I have 2 choices for internet today - AT 5Mbps/.5Mbps adsl (with random
> 30s outages) OR LTE modem.  You can guess which one I use.
>
> I'm not sure how much data I use.  It says month to date is almost 200GB.
>
> I think I'm the only one on the tower.  I pay $150/mo for "unlimited" and
> one day I'll be given the boot I suppose since I doubt this is an
> officially sanctioned plan.
>
> This is not sustainable for a national operator using licensed bands as a
> business model.  I kinda doubt I'll ever see 5G from a large carrier at my
> house.  It just doesn't make sense.  My next round of fast internet has to
> come from one of you guys.
>
> Viva el/la WISP!  ;-)
>
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 9:19 AM Gino Villarini  wrote:
>
> Ken,
>
> Yes the customer might think that its qgig for them… but still the
> experience would be far better that they have now… worst case scenario
> 50megs for them?
>
> As carries add capacity (via this technologies and more spectrum) , they
> will continue to raise the cap bar.  We might see in the future a cap high
> enough that a big segment of the market will ditch fixed broadband and just
> have mobile.
>
> From: Af  on behalf of Ken Hohhof 
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 10:12 AM
>
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5G
>
> Manufacturer/carrier says:  we demonstrated a basestation with gigabit
> aggregate capacity
>
>
>
> Customer hears:  gigabit speed, all for me
>
>
>
> Also articles about watching 8K 3D TV on your phone, ignoring $10 per GB
> data usage charges.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
>
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 7:04 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5G
>
>
>
> Not really
>
>
>
>
> https://www.telegeography.com/products/commsupdate/articles/2017/02/23/sprint-ericsson-to-demo-gigabit-data-speeds-over-td-lte/?utm_source=CommsUpdate_campaign=842ec531cf-CommsUpdate+23+February+2017_medium=email_term=0_0688983330-842ec531cf-8827113
>
>
>
> *From: *Af  on behalf of Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Date: *Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 12:30 AM
>
>
> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 5G
>
>
>
> In a lab with unlimited spectrum maybe. It will be a fraction of this in
> all reality. They could get closer with millimeter wave, but that's a
> different animal entirely.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 22, 2017, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> Check this out
>
>
> http://www.fiercewireless.com/special-report/gigabit-keeps-lte-fast-lane?mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiWlRrMFkySTJObVU0TkRSbCIsInQiOiJCRytrXC9IdU92c3NISUVUOVBIOGJaMXNDZnN1aklXUUZ1VXJXQmFYS0NzdU1kdmhVWTFBSFIwNDRcL0MzRERkNTlVSEJEUE9oM3RuVkttWFJRanE5ZUV2SHg3cFhPdERtZllVTVlwb3E4YlJkRDFtQ1ZoZHhIZzMyRTduRFR0V1IzIn0%3D
>
>
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
>
> President
>
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> [image: image003.png]
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> [image: aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]
>
> On Feb 22, 2017 7:53 AM, "Jason McKemie" 
> wrote:
>
> 5G. 5th generation? 5 GHz? 5 Gigawatts? This term is much more in the
> ether than something like LTE. The cell companies hyped up the marketing to
> the point where it lost the original meaning.
>
> On Wednesday, February 22, 2017, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>
> I think its a marketing play with hyped terms that not necessary follow
> what 5G really menas and its deceptive.
>
>
>
> Might as well call your service LTE… it provides broadband wirelessly…
>
>
>
> *From: *Af  on behalf of Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Date: *Wednesday, February 22, 2017 at 9:06 AM
> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 5G
>
>
>
> I don't see anything wrong with Mimosa calling their stuff 5G. They should
> have gone ahead and called it 6G, it's effectively faster than the cell
> companies' version of 5G...
>
> On Wednesday, February 22, 2017, Gino Villarini

Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

What do you do when someone has multiple personalities and they all have 
different gender identities.
I guess you can always tell them to go f themselves...

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 3:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

Ha, that is fun indeed.
I wouldn’t mind using Viceroy, or perhaps His Eruditeness.  Grand poobah works 
too.  

From: Dan Petermann 
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 3:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

I like this guys response to that issue at UM. I imagine he really pissed off 
his professors.  

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2016/10/07/a-university-told-students-to-select-their-gender-pronouns-one-chose-his-majesty/

On Feb 23, 2017, at 1:49 PM, Jason McKemie  
wrote:

  Where it gets really crazy is when they start passing laws that you legally 
have to refer to someone by a pronoun of their choosing.  They have something 
like this in Canada right now.

  On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

I know it will be tried.  

We drilled a hole from the boy’s shower to the girls’ shower.  First chance 
I got to look through the hole all I saw was Penni Depriest’s eye looking in on 
me.  Then they put a bolt through the hole  I felt like I was part of the 
Porky’s movie.  

I have no clue how to attempt to help someone that is trans with this 
problem and not cause much more troubles for others.  Force the schools to 
build third facilities with a question mark over the doors?  I wonder how the 
military does it in the barracks?

And if there was bathroom police checking birth certificates, does that 
really matter as it may say one thing on the certificate but they recently 
decided to identify as something else.  Isn’t there one “identity” that is 
“fluid” or some such thing?

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

Once you know someone who is transgender, it turns out not to be like that 
at all.  There are exceptions to everything, but if the first thing that comes 
to your mind is identifying as a girl to shower with the girls, then probably 
you don’t have any friends or relatives that are transgender.  Well, that is 
unlikely, more likely you just don’t know they are trans.

And school kids unfortunately take the brunt of this.  Anywhere else, are 
there really going to be bathroom police checking birth certificates?  There’s 
a creepy thought.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT trolling

Bored.

If this was mid 1970s and if I discovered that the president said I could 
shower with the girls at school it I “identified as a girl”, I sure as hell 
would have identified as a girl

I have not heard a single commentator address this issue.  Boys will be 
boys.  What do the lgbtqrstuv folks have as an answer to this situation?

They don’t seem to be interested in protecting the rights of my 
granddaughter to not have the boy’s football team in there after volleyball 
practice.

Re: [AFMUG] Flying COWs

Especially with IR cameras, in the fall and spring in the mountains around 
here, people start hiking on a nice day that is 60 degrees and quickly it 
starts to rain and a few hours later it is 25 degrees and they are not found in 
time – if ever.   It even happened during the summer a few years ago.  Mother 
and daughter died from exposure.  

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 3:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Flying COWs

I always thought something like this would be good for people lost in the 
woods. You always hear about these people who get lost for whatever reason and 
they send out search crews and helicopters because they are out of range of 
cells. If you could dangle one from a helicopter or now use a drone all you 
would have to do is register the phone, not even have it be able to make a 
call. Once you get a registration, you know they are within a certain distance. 
Use a directional antenna and you could even narrow down the  direction. Even 
if you can't precisely pinpoint the location, at least you have narrowed down 
the search field giving a higher chance of finding them.  

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 2:23 PM, Christopher Tyler  
wrote:

  Sorry, must have glazed over on that part. So, tethered to the ground and no 
on-board batteries. That makes more sense.

  --
  Christopher Tyler
  MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
  Total Highspeed Internet Services
  417.851.1107

  - Original Message -
  From: "Zach Underwood" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 2:00:25 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Flying COWs

  Yes it does take about flight time

  "The tether between the drone and the ground provides a highly secure data
  connection via fiber and supplies power to the Flying COW, which allows for
  unlimited flight time."

  On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  > Did the dish run away with the spoon?
  >
  >
  > On Feb 23, 2017 10:27 AM, "Dan Petermann"  wrote:
  >
  > http://wirelessestimator.com/articles/2017/industrys-first-
  >> successful-flying-cow-live-test-is-made-by-att/
  >>
  >

  --
  Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)
  My website 
  advance-networking.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

Ha, that is fun indeed.
I wouldn’t mind using Viceroy, or perhaps His Eruditeness.  Grand poobah works 
too.  

From: Dan Petermann 
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 3:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

I like this guys response to that issue at UM. I imagine he really pissed off 
his professors.  

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2016/10/07/a-university-told-students-to-select-their-gender-pronouns-one-chose-his-majesty/

On Feb 23, 2017, at 1:49 PM, Jason McKemie  
wrote:

  Where it gets really crazy is when they start passing laws that you legally 
have to refer to someone by a pronoun of their choosing.  They have something 
like this in Canada right now.

  On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

I know it will be tried.  

We drilled a hole from the boy’s shower to the girls’ shower.  First chance 
I got to look through the hole all I saw was Penni Depriest’s eye looking in on 
me.  Then they put a bolt through the hole  I felt like I was part of the 
Porky’s movie.  

I have no clue how to attempt to help someone that is trans with this 
problem and not cause much more troubles for others.  Force the schools to 
build third facilities with a question mark over the doors?  I wonder how the 
military does it in the barracks?

And if there was bathroom police checking birth certificates, does that 
really matter as it may say one thing on the certificate but they recently 
decided to identify as something else.  Isn’t there one “identity” that is 
“fluid” or some such thing?

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

Once you know someone who is transgender, it turns out not to be like that 
at all.  There are exceptions to everything, but if the first thing that comes 
to your mind is identifying as a girl to shower with the girls, then probably 
you don’t have any friends or relatives that are transgender.  Well, that is 
unlikely, more likely you just don’t know they are trans.

And school kids unfortunately take the brunt of this.  Anywhere else, are 
there really going to be bathroom police checking birth certificates?  There’s 
a creepy thought.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT trolling

Bored.

If this was mid 1970s and if I discovered that the president said I could 
shower with the girls at school it I “identified as a girl”, I sure as hell 
would have identified as a girl

I have not heard a single commentator address this issue.  Boys will be 
boys.  What do the lgbtqrstuv folks have as an answer to this situation?

They don’t seem to be interested in protecting the rights of my 
granddaughter to not have the boy’s football team in there after volleyball 
practice.

Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

What about genetically modified organisms like this:

 



 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dan Petermann
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 4:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

 

I like this guys response to that issue at UM. I imagine he really pissed
off his professors. 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2016/10/07/a-university-tol
d-students-to-select-their-gender-pronouns-one-chose-his-majesty/

 

On Feb 23, 2017, at 1:49 PM, Jason McKemie  > wrote:





Where it gets really crazy is when they start passing laws that you legally
have to refer to someone by a pronoun of their choosing.  They have
something like this in Canada right now.

 

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Chuck McCown  > wrote:

I know it will be tried.  

 

We drilled a hole from the boy's shower to the girls' shower.  First chance
I got to look through the hole all I saw was Penni Depriest's eye looking in
on me.  Then they put a bolt through the hole  I felt like I was part of
the Porky's movie.  

 

I have no clue how to attempt to help someone that is trans with this
problem and not cause much more troubles for others.  Force the schools to
build third facilities with a question mark over the doors?  I wonder how
the military does it in the barracks?

 

And if there was bathroom police checking birth certificates, does that
really matter as it may say one thing on the certificate but they recently
decided to identify as something else.  Isn't there one "identity" that is
"fluid" or some such thing?

 

 

 

 

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:33 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

 

Once you know someone who is transgender, it turns out not to be like that
at all.  There are exceptions to everything, but if the first thing that
comes to your mind is identifying as a girl to shower with the girls, then
probably you don't have any friends or relatives that are transgender.
Well, that is unlikely, more likely you just don't know they are trans.

 

And school kids unfortunately take the brunt of this.  Anywhere else, are
there really going to be bathroom police checking birth certificates?
There's a creepy thought.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On
Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: [AFMUG] OT trolling

 

Bored.

If this was mid 1970s and if I discovered that the president said I could
shower with the girls at school it I "identified as a girl", I sure as hell
would have identified as a girl

 

I have not heard a single commentator address this issue.  Boys will be
boys.  What do the lgbtqrstuv folks have as an answer to this situation?

 

They don't seem to be interested in protecting the rights of my
granddaughter to not have the boy's football team in there after volleyball
practice.

Re: [AFMUG] Flying COWs

2017-02-23 Thread Cameron Crum

I always thought something like this would be good for people lost in the
woods. You always hear about these people who get lost for whatever reason
and they send out search crews and helicopters because they are out of
range of cells. If you could dangle one from a helicopter or now use a
drone all you would have to do is register the phone, not even have it be
able to make a call. Once you get a registration, you know they are within
a certain distance. Use a directional antenna and you could even narrow
down the  direction. Even if you can't precisely pinpoint the location, at
least you have narrowed down the search field giving a higher chance of
finding them.

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 2:23 PM, Christopher Tyler  wrote:

> Sorry, must have glazed over on that part. So, tethered to the ground and
> no on-board batteries. That makes more sense.
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Zach Underwood" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 2:00:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Flying COWs
>
> Yes it does take about flight time
>
> "The tether between the drone and the ground provides a highly secure data
> connection via fiber and supplies power to the Flying COW, which allows for
> unlimited flight time."
>
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> > Did the dish run away with the spoon?
> >
> >
> > On Feb 23, 2017 10:27 AM, "Dan Petermann"  wrote:
> >
> > http://wirelessestimator.com/articles/2017/industrys-first-
> >> successful-flying-cow-live-test-is-made-by-att/
> >>
> >
>
>
> --
> Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)
> My website 
> advance-networking.com
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

2017-02-23 Thread Dan Petermann

I like this guys response to that issue at UM. I imagine he really pissed off 
his professors. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2016/10/07/a-university-told-students-to-select-their-gender-pronouns-one-chose-his-majesty/

On Feb 23, 2017, at 1:49 PM, Jason McKemie  
wrote:

> Where it gets really crazy is when they start passing laws that you legally 
> have to refer to someone by a pronoun of their choosing.  They have something 
> like this in Canada right now.
> 
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> I know it will be tried. 
>  
> We drilled a hole from the boy’s shower to the girls’ shower.  First chance I 
> got to look through the hole all I saw was Penni Depriest’s eye looking in on 
> me.  Then they put a bolt through the hole  I felt like I was part of the 
> Porky’s movie. 
>  
> I have no clue how to attempt to help someone that is trans with this problem 
> and not cause much more troubles for others.  Force the schools to build 
> third facilities with a question mark over the doors?  I wonder how the 
> military does it in the barracks?
>  
> And if there was bathroom police checking birth certificates, does that 
> really matter as it may say one thing on the certificate but they recently 
> decided to identify as something else.  Isn’t there one “identity” that is 
> “fluid” or some such thing?
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> From: Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:33 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling
>  
> Once you know someone who is transgender, it turns out not to be like that at 
> all.  There are exceptions to everything, but if the first thing that comes 
> to your mind is identifying as a girl to shower with the girls, then probably 
> you don’t have any friends or relatives that are transgender.  Well, that is 
> unlikely, more likely you just don’t know they are trans.
> 
>  
> 
> And school kids unfortunately take the brunt of this.  Anywhere else, are 
> there really going to be bathroom police checking birth certificates?  
> There’s a creepy thought.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:52 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT trolling
> 
>  
> 
> Bored.
> 
> If this was mid 1970s and if I discovered that the president said I could 
> shower with the girls at school it I “identified as a girl”, I sure as hell 
> would have identified as a girl
> 
>  
> 
> I have not heard a single commentator address this issue.  Boys will be boys. 
>  What do the lgbtqrstuv folks have as an answer to this situation?
> 
>  
> 
> They don’t seem to be interested in protecting the rights of my granddaughter 
> to not have the boy’s football team in there after volleyball practice. 
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

It gets way more ridiculous than that with gender neutral pronouns - Ne,
Ve, Ze, Hir, Zir, Xe, etc. People are just spoiled and/or have mental
issues. You're either a he, she, or in some rare cases a he-she
(hermaphrodite).

Talk about first world problems.

Look up Jordan Peterson, he's taking huge amounts of grief for trying to
talk sense into people on this topic.

On Thursday, February 23, 2017, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> How many pronouns are there?
>
> I, you, he, she, it, we, they, me, him, her, us, them, what, who, whom,
> mine, yours, his, hers, ours, theirs, this, that, these, those, which,
> whose, whoever, whatever, whichever, whomever, myself, yourself, himself,
> herself, itself, ourselves, themselves, each other, one another, anything,
> everybody, another, each, few, many, none, some, all, any, anybody, anyone,
> everyone, everything, no one, nobody, nothing, none, other, others,
> several, somebody, someone, something, most, enough, little, more, both,
> either, neither, one, much, such.
>
> Please refer to me as Mr. Whichever.
>
>
> From: Jason McKemie
> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:49 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling
>
> Where it gets really crazy is when they start passing laws that you
> legally have to refer to someone by a pronoun of their choosing.  They have
> something like this in Canada right now.
>
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> I know it will be tried.
>
> We drilled a hole from the boy’s shower to the girls’ shower.  First
> chance I got to look through the hole all I saw was Penni Depriest’s eye
> looking in on me.  Then they put a bolt through the hole  I felt like I
> was part of the Porky’s movie.
>
> I have no clue how to attempt to help someone that is trans with this
> problem and not cause much more troubles for others.  Force the schools to
> build third facilities with a question mark over the doors?  I wonder how
> the military does it in the barracks?
>
> And if there was bathroom police checking birth certificates, does that
> really matter as it may say one thing on the certificate but they recently
> decided to identify as something else.  Isn’t there one “identity” that is
> “fluid” or some such thing?
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:33 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling
>
>
> Once you know someone who is transgender, it turns out not to be like that
> at all.  There are exceptions to everything, but if the first thing that
> comes to your mind is identifying as a girl to shower with the girls, then
> probably you don’t have any friends or relatives that are transgender.
> Well, that is unlikely, more likely you just don’t know they are trans.
>
>
>
> And school kids unfortunately take the brunt of this.  Anywhere else, are
> there really going to be bathroom police checking birth certificates?
> There’s a creepy thought.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:52 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT trolling
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Bored.
>
>
>
> If this was mid 1970s and if I discovered that the president said I could
> shower with the girls at school it I “identified as a girl”, I sure as hell
> would have identified as a girl
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I have not heard a single commentator address this issue.  Boys will be
> boys.  What do the lgbtqrstuv folks have as an answer to this situation?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> They don’t seem to be interested in protecting the rights of my
> granddaughter to not have the boy’s football team in there after volleyball
> practice.
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

I will not argue with that 

The only point I want to make is .. 
Contrary to popular belief... 
The Phone Line in the Elevator is not a Fire code requirement(That is the 
fire alarm button is for). 

The elevator phone line is typically, fixed dial to the Elevator Management 
Company Call Center.. 

:) 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 2:54:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

> There are national fire codes that most jurisdictions adopt.
> Same as the NEC etc.
> Irrespective of actual ordinances, the alarm companies are the ones setting 
> the
> standards if no one else is. I have been on both sides of this arguments when
> doing installs. If I am the regulated ILEC I raise holy hell if they don’t 
> want
> my line. If I am the unregulated wisp or FTTH provider I raise holy hell in
> defying them to prove that my ATA or ONT is not good enough and that their 
> pots
> comes from the equivalent technology out in that box along the highway.
> I am flexible.
> From: Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 12:49 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines
> Chuck,
> I have to disagree with you on part of your statement
> Local ordinances vary from region to region
> Fire Alarms ... are very particular, and require TWO POTS phone lines (at
> least in our region)... nothing else is acceptable
> Elevators ... no such requirement... the Emergency phone is typically auto 
> call
> to the Maint Company.. most places do not have any specified requirements 
> other
> than ... it needs a phone line. (it is not a free dial phone, you cannot
> call 911 on it for example... )
> I cannot speak for bank vaults :)
> Regards.
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 11:46:40 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

>> Fire codes require them for elevators and bank vaults and most alarm 
>> companies
>> want them too. Especially for the fire alarm panel.
>> Does not require power, it is arguably the most reliable phone line you can 
>> get,
>> especially if it comes directly from the central office. But even if coming
>> from a DLC it will still be up 8 hours after the power goes out. I understand
>> why code requires it, and I somewhat agree. VOIP, ATA, WISP even FTTH ONT
>> circuits will not be as reliable.
>> From: Adam Moffett
>> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:51 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines
>> Yes, check local ordinances.
>> Here it's not specifically an analog POTS line, but the line and anything it
>> relies on (PBX, etc) has to operate without external power for some number of
>> hours.
>> I would argue that a POTS line *is* the best way. Yes an ATA and a UPS meet 
>> the
>> letter of the law, but who is checking the battery on the UPS? Who reboots 
>> the
>> ATA if it's locked up? etc. The POTS line has no components outside of the 
>> CO,
>> and the CO is maintained by the LEC.
>> Not that I don't want you to sell another VoIP line, but do *you* want to be 
>> the
>> one getting in trouble if someone is stuck in the elevator and can't call for
>> help?
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" < fai...@snappytelecom.net >
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 2/23/2017 9:40:04 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

>>> Need to check with your local ordinances...
>>> In many places, folks are under a mis-impression that a hard line is 
>>> required...
>>> (they confuse it with a dedicated line)
>>> We have clients that have voip phone line for the elevator. (using an ATA).
>>> Regards.
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

 From: "Dave" < dmilho...@wletc.com >
 To: "Animal Farm" < af@afmug.com >
 Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:27:28 AM
 Subject: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

 Someone needs to reach out to the yahoos concerned with elevators that 
 HAVE TO
 HAVE a quote "Hardline".
 I think we are in the 21st century and hard-lines I would think are about 
 gone.
 A company in town here had an issue getting a hardline from ATT for their
 elevator. They paid out the waazoo to get one just
 to satisfy safety requirements on the elevator... wTF.
 A reliable internet service would satisfy this I am sure with certain 
 caveats in
 place IE UPS Backup when power fails for demarc in the

Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

We don't have as many pronouns as y'all do.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Tyler
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 3:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

They actually made up new pronouns for some of the gender identities.

--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 3:00:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

Perhaps "Whatever" could be the universal pronoun.

-Original Message-
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

How many pronouns are there?

I, you, he, she, it, we, they, me, him, her, us, them, what, who, whom, mine, 
yours, his, hers, ours, theirs, this, that, these, those, which, whose, 
whoever, whatever, whichever, whomever, myself, yourself, himself, herself, 
itself, ourselves, themselves, each other, one another, anything, everybody, 
another, each, few, many, none, some, all, any, anybody, anyone, everyone, 
everything, no one, nobody, nothing, none, other, others, several, somebody, 
someone, something, most, enough, little, more, both, either, neither, one, 
much, such.

Please refer to me as Mr. Whichever.

From: Jason McKemie
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

Where it gets really crazy is when they start passing laws that you legally 
have to refer to someone by a pronoun of their choosing.  They have something 
like this in Canada right now.

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

I know it will be tried.

We drilled a hole from the boy’s shower to the girls’ shower.  First chance I 
got to look through the hole all I saw was Penni Depriest’s eye looking in on 
me.  Then they put a bolt through the hole  I felt like I was part of the 
Porky’s movie.

I have no clue how to attempt to help someone that is trans with this problem 
and not cause much more troubles for others.  Force the schools to build third 
facilities with a question mark over the doors?  I wonder how the military does 
it in the barracks?

And if there was bathroom police checking birth certificates, does that really 
matter as it may say one thing on the certificate but they recently decided to 
identify as something else.  Isn’t there one “identity” that is “fluid” or some 
such thing?

From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

Once you know someone who is transgender, it turns out not to be like that at 
all.  There are exceptions to everything, but if the first thing that comes to 
your mind is identifying as a girl to shower with the girls, then probably you 
don’t have any friends or relatives that are transgender.
Well, that is unlikely, more likely you just don’t know they are trans.

And school kids unfortunately take the brunt of this.  Anywhere else, are there 
really going to be bathroom police checking birth certificates?  There’s a 
creepy thought.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT trolling

Bored.

If this was mid 1970s and if I discovered that the president said I could 
shower with the girls at school it I “identified as a girl”, I sure as hell 
would have identified as a girl

I have not heard a single commentator address this issue.  Boys will be boys.  
What do the lgbtqrstuv folks have as an answer to this situation?

They don’t seem to be interested in protecting the rights of my granddaughter 
to not have the boy’s football team in there after volleyball practice.

Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

Sliggindorf and Merkley Muffin

-Original Message- 
From: Christopher Tyler

Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 2:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

They actually made up new pronouns for some of the gender identities.

--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 3:00:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

Perhaps "Whatever" could be the universal pronoun.

-Original Message- 
From: Chuck McCown

Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

How many pronouns are there?

I, you, he, she, it, we, they, me, him, her, us, them, what, who, whom,
mine, yours, his, hers, ours, theirs, this, that, these, those, which,
whose, whoever, whatever, whichever, whomever, myself, yourself, himself,
herself, itself, ourselves, themselves, each other, one another, anything,
everybody, another, each, few, many, none, some, all, any, anybody, anyone,
everyone, everything, no one, nobody, nothing, none, other, others, several,
somebody, someone, something, most, enough, little, more, both, either,
neither, one, much, such.

Please refer to me as Mr. Whichever.

From: Jason McKemie
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

Where it gets really crazy is when they start passing laws that you legally
have to refer to someone by a pronoun of their choosing.  They have
something like this in Canada right now.

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

I know it will be tried.

We drilled a hole from the boy’s shower to the girls’ shower.  First chance
I got to look through the hole all I saw was Penni Depriest’s eye looking in
on me.  Then they put a bolt through the hole  I felt like I was part of
the Porky’s movie.

I have no clue how to attempt to help someone that is trans with this
problem and not cause much more troubles for others.  Force the schools to
build third facilities with a question mark over the doors?  I wonder how
the military does it in the barracks?

And if there was bathroom police checking birth certificates, does that
really matter as it may say one thing on the certificate but they recently
decided to identify as something else.  Isn’t there one “identity” that is
“fluid” or some such thing?

From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

Once you know someone who is transgender, it turns out not to be like that
at all.  There are exceptions to everything, but if the first thing that
comes to your mind is identifying as a girl to shower with the girls, then
probably you don’t have any friends or relatives that are transgender.
Well, that is unlikely, more likely you just don’t know they are trans.

And school kids unfortunately take the brunt of this.  Anywhere else, are
there really going to be bathroom police checking birth certificates?  There’s
a creepy thought.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT trolling

Bored.

If this was mid 1970s and if I discovered that the president said I could
shower with the girls at school it I “identified as a girl”, I sure as hell
would have identified as a girl

I have not heard a single commentator address this issue.  Boys will be
boys.  What do the lgbtqrstuv folks have as an answer to this situation?

They don’t seem to be interested in protecting the rights of my
granddaughter to not have the boy’s football team in there after volleyball
practice.

Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

2017-02-23 Thread Christopher Tyler

They actually made up new pronouns for some of the gender identities.

-- 
Christopher Tyler 
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 3:00:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

Perhaps "Whatever" could be the universal pronoun.

-Original Message- 
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

How many pronouns are there?

I, you, he, she, it, we, they, me, him, her, us, them, what, who, whom,
mine, yours, his, hers, ours, theirs, this, that, these, those, which,
whose, whoever, whatever, whichever, whomever, myself, yourself, himself,
herself, itself, ourselves, themselves, each other, one another, anything,
everybody, another, each, few, many, none, some, all, any, anybody, anyone,
everyone, everything, no one, nobody, nothing, none, other, others, several,
somebody, someone, something, most, enough, little, more, both, either,
neither, one, much, such.

Please refer to me as Mr. Whichever.


From: Jason McKemie
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

Where it gets really crazy is when they start passing laws that you legally
have to refer to someone by a pronoun of their choosing.  They have
something like this in Canada right now.

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

I know it will be tried.

We drilled a hole from the boy’s shower to the girls’ shower.  First chance
I got to look through the hole all I saw was Penni Depriest’s eye looking in
on me.  Then they put a bolt through the hole  I felt like I was part of
the Porky’s movie.

I have no clue how to attempt to help someone that is trans with this
problem and not cause much more troubles for others.  Force the schools to
build third facilities with a question mark over the doors?  I wonder how
the military does it in the barracks?

And if there was bathroom police checking birth certificates, does that
really matter as it may say one thing on the certificate but they recently
decided to identify as something else.  Isn’t there one “identity” that is
“fluid” or some such thing?





From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling


Once you know someone who is transgender, it turns out not to be like that
at all.  There are exceptions to everything, but if the first thing that
comes to your mind is identifying as a girl to shower with the girls, then
probably you don’t have any friends or relatives that are transgender.
Well, that is unlikely, more likely you just don’t know they are trans.



And school kids unfortunately take the brunt of this.  Anywhere else, are
there really going to be bathroom police checking birth certificates?  There’s
a creepy thought.







From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT trolling







Bored.



If this was mid 1970s and if I discovered that the president said I could
shower with the girls at school it I “identified as a girl”, I sure as hell
would have identified as a girl







I have not heard a single commentator address this issue.  Boys will be
boys.  What do the lgbtqrstuv folks have as an answer to this situation?







They don’t seem to be interested in protecting the rights of my
granddaughter to not have the boy’s football team in there after volleyball
practice.

Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

We need a like button for this. 

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On Feb 23, 2017, at 12:54 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> There are national fire codes that most jurisdictions adopt. 
> Same as the NEC etc. 
>  
> Irrespective of actual ordinances, the alarm companies are the ones setting 
> the standards if no one else is.  I have been on both sides of this arguments 
> when doing installs.  If I am the regulated ILEC I raise holy hell if they 
> don’t want my line.  If I am the unregulated wisp or FTTH provider I raise 
> holy hell in defying them to prove that my ATA or ONT is not good enough and 
> that their pots comes from the equivalent technology out in that box along 
> the highway. 
>  
> I am flexible.
>  
>  
>  
> From: Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 12:49 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines
>  
> Chuck, 
>  
> I have to disagree with you on part of your statement
>  
> Local ordinances vary from region to region 
>  
> Fire Alarms  ... are very particular, and require TWO  POTS phone lines 
> (at least in our region)... nothing else is acceptable
>  
> Elevators ... no such requirement... the Emergency phone is typically auto 
> call to the Maint Company.. most places do not have any specified 
> requirements other than ... it needs a phone line. (it is not a free dial 
> phone, you cannot call 911 on it for example... )
>  
> I cannot speak for bank vaults  :)
>  
> Regards.
>  
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>  
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 11:46:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines
> Fire codes require them for elevators and bank vaults and most alarm 
> companies want them too.  Especially for the fire alarm panel.
>  
> Does not require power, it is arguably the most reliable phone line you can 
> get, especially if it comes directly from the central office.  But even if 
> coming from a DLC it will still be up 8 hours after the power goes out.  I 
> understand why code requires it, and I somewhat agree.  VOIP, ATA, WISP even 
> FTTH ONT circuits will not be as reliable.
>  
> From: Adam Moffett
> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:51 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines
>  
> Yes, check local ordinances.
> Here it's not specifically an analog POTS line, but the line and anything it 
> relies on (PBX, etc) has to operate without external power for some number of 
> hours.
>  
> I would argue that a POTS line *is* the best way.  Yes an ATA and a UPS meet 
> the letter of the law, but who is checking the battery on the UPS?  Who 
> reboots the ATA if it's locked up? etc.  The POTS line has no components 
> outside of the CO, and the CO is maintained by the LEC.
>  
> Not that I don't want you to sell another VoIP line, but do *you* want to be 
> the one getting in trouble if someone is stuck in the elevator and can't call 
> for help?
>  
>  
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/23/2017 9:40:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines
>  
> Need to check with your local ordinances...
>  
> In many places, folks are under a mis-impression that a hard line is 
> required... (they confuse it with a dedicated line)
>  
> We have clients that have voip phone line for the elevator. (using an ATA).
>  
> Regards.
>  
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>  
> From: "Dave" 
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:27:28 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines
> Someone needs to reach out to the yahoos concerned with elevators that HAVE 
> TO HAVE a quote "Hardline". 
> I think we are in the 21st century and hard-lines I would think are about 
> gone. 
> A company in town here had an issue getting a hardline from ATT for their 
> elevator. They paid out the waazoo to get one just
> to satisfy safety requirements on the elevator... wTF.
> A reliable internet service would satisfy this I am sure with certain caveats 
> in place IE UPS Backup when power fails for demarc in the building.
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

My only point is, Trump made one of his typical off-the-cuff/out his ass 
utterances, he was excoriated by the left press.
Now it seems there was something of substance behind his comment.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 2:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

Sweden has accepted something like 25 times as many refugees per capita than 
the U.S.  And they have been mostly men who can’t find work.  Whereas the U.S. 
accepts mostly women and children, who have been heavily screened, and there 
are usually communities willing to help them integrate.  I’m not sure why we 
are wanting to point fingers at Sweden and make some political issue of this.

Why not instead look for a model of how to do this right?  By all accounts, 
Canada is very good at this, with families virtually adopting refugees and 
helping them resettle and integrate into Canadian society.

Just be happy we get some choice unlike Europe which doesn’t have the Atlantic 
ocean between them and disasters like Syria.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 2:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

One for Jaime:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/23/sweden-democrats-trump-was-right.html

From: Chuck McCown 

Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:42 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

Oh, and I had a business partner for 30 years that was trans yes  I have 
known trans people

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:33 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

Once you know someone who is transgender, it turns out not to be like that at 
all.  There are exceptions to everything, but if the first thing that comes to 
your mind is identifying as a girl to shower with the girls, then probably you 
don’t have any friends or relatives that are transgender.  Well, that is 
unlikely, more likely you just don’t know they are trans.

And school kids unfortunately take the brunt of this.  Anywhere else, are there 
really going to be bathroom police checking birth certificates?  There’s a 
creepy thought.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT trolling

Bored.

If this was mid 1970s and if I discovered that the president said I could 
shower with the girls at school it I “identified as a girl”, I sure as hell 
would have identified as a girl

I have not heard a single commentator address this issue.  Boys will be boys.  
What do the lgbtqrstuv folks have as an answer to this situation?

They don’t seem to be interested in protecting the rights of my granddaughter 
to not have the boy’s football team in there after volleyball practice.

Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

Sweden has accepted something like 25 times as many refugees per capita than 
the U.S.  And they have been mostly men who can’t find work.  Whereas the U.S. 
accepts mostly women and children, who have been heavily screened, and there 
are usually communities willing to help them integrate.  I’m not sure why we 
are wanting to point fingers at Sweden and make some political issue of this.

 

Why not instead look for a model of how to do this right?  By all accounts, 
Canada is very good at this, with families virtually adopting refugees and 
helping them resettle and integrate into Canadian society.

 

Just be happy we get some choice unlike Europe which doesn’t have the Atlantic 
ocean between them and disasters like Syria.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 2:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

 

One for Jaime:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/23/sweden-democrats-trump-was-right.html

 

From: Chuck McCown 

Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:42 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

 

Oh, and I had a business partner for 30 years that was trans yes  I have 
known trans people

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:33 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

 

Once you know someone who is transgender, it turns out not to be like that at 
all.  There are exceptions to everything, but if the first thing that comes to 
your mind is identifying as a girl to shower with the girls, then probably you 
don’t have any friends or relatives that are transgender.  Well, that is 
unlikely, more likely you just don’t know they are trans.

 

And school kids unfortunately take the brunt of this.  Anywhere else, are there 
really going to be bathroom police checking birth certificates?  There’s a 
creepy thought.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: [AFMUG] OT trolling

 

Bored.

If this was mid 1970s and if I discovered that the president said I could 
shower with the girls at school it I “identified as a girl”, I sure as hell 
would have identified as a girl

 

I have not heard a single commentator address this issue.  Boys will be boys.  
What do the lgbtqrstuv folks have as an answer to this situation?

 

They don’t seem to be interested in protecting the rights of my granddaughter 
to not have the boy’s football team in there after volleyball practice.

Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

Perhaps "Whatever" could be the universal pronoun.

-Original Message- 
From: Chuck McCown

Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

How many pronouns are there?

I, you, he, she, it, we, they, me, him, her, us, them, what, who, whom,
mine, yours, his, hers, ours, theirs, this, that, these, those, which,
whose, whoever, whatever, whichever, whomever, myself, yourself, himself,
herself, itself, ourselves, themselves, each other, one another, anything,
everybody, another, each, few, many, none, some, all, any, anybody, anyone,
everyone, everything, no one, nobody, nothing, none, other, others, several,
somebody, someone, something, most, enough, little, more, both, either,
neither, one, much, such.

Please refer to me as Mr. Whichever.

From: Jason McKemie
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

Where it gets really crazy is when they start passing laws that you legally
have to refer to someone by a pronoun of their choosing.  They have
something like this in Canada right now.

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

I know it will be tried.

We drilled a hole from the boy’s shower to the girls’ shower.  First chance
I got to look through the hole all I saw was Penni Depriest’s eye looking in
on me.  Then they put a bolt through the hole  I felt like I was part of
the Porky’s movie.

I have no clue how to attempt to help someone that is trans with this
problem and not cause much more troubles for others.  Force the schools to
build third facilities with a question mark over the doors?  I wonder how
the military does it in the barracks?

And if there was bathroom police checking birth certificates, does that
really matter as it may say one thing on the certificate but they recently
decided to identify as something else.  Isn’t there one “identity” that is
“fluid” or some such thing?

From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

Once you know someone who is transgender, it turns out not to be like that
at all.  There are exceptions to everything, but if the first thing that
comes to your mind is identifying as a girl to shower with the girls, then
probably you don’t have any friends or relatives that are transgender.
Well, that is unlikely, more likely you just don’t know they are trans.

And school kids unfortunately take the brunt of this.  Anywhere else, are
there really going to be bathroom police checking birth certificates?  There’s
a creepy thought.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT trolling

Bored.

If this was mid 1970s and if I discovered that the president said I could
shower with the girls at school it I “identified as a girl”, I sure as hell
would have identified as a girl

I have not heard a single commentator address this issue.  Boys will be
boys.  What do the lgbtqrstuv folks have as an answer to this situation?

They don’t seem to be interested in protecting the rights of my
granddaughter to not have the boy’s football team in there after volleyball
practice.

Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling


How many pronouns are there?

I, you, he, she, it, we, they, me, him, her, us, them, what, who, whom, 
mine, yours, his, hers, ours, theirs, this, that, these, those, which, 
whose, whoever, whatever, whichever, whomever, myself, yourself, himself, 
herself, itself, ourselves, themselves, each other, one another, anything, 
everybody, another, each, few, many, none, some, all, any, anybody, anyone, 
everyone, everything, no one, nobody, nothing, none, other, others, several, 
somebody, someone, something, most, enough, little, more, both, either, 
neither, one, much, such.


Please refer to me as Mr. Whichever.


From: Jason McKemie
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

Where it gets really crazy is when they start passing laws that you legally 
have to refer to someone by a pronoun of their choosing.  They have 
something like this in Canada right now.


On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

I know it will be tried.

We drilled a hole from the boy’s shower to the girls’ shower.  First chance 
I got to look through the hole all I saw was Penni Depriest’s eye looking in 
on me.  Then they put a bolt through the hole  I felt like I was part of 
the Porky’s movie.


I have no clue how to attempt to help someone that is trans with this 
problem and not cause much more troubles for others.  Force the schools to 
build third facilities with a question mark over the doors?  I wonder how 
the military does it in the barracks?


And if there was bathroom police checking birth certificates, does that 
really matter as it may say one thing on the certificate but they recently 
decided to identify as something else.  Isn’t there one “identity” that is 
“fluid” or some such thing?






From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling


Once you know someone who is transgender, it turns out not to be like that 
at all.  There are exceptions to everything, but if the first thing that 
comes to your mind is identifying as a girl to shower with the girls, then 
probably you don’t have any friends or relatives that are transgender. 
Well, that is unlikely, more likely you just don’t know they are trans.




And school kids unfortunately take the brunt of this.  Anywhere else, are 
there really going to be bathroom police checking birth certificates?  There’s 
a creepy thought.








From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT trolling







Bored.



If this was mid 1970s and if I discovered that the president said I could 
shower with the girls at school it I “identified as a girl”, I sure as hell 
would have identified as a girl








I have not heard a single commentator address this issue.  Boys will be 
boys.  What do the lgbtqrstuv folks have as an answer to this situation?








They don’t seem to be interested in protecting the rights of my 
granddaughter to not have the boy’s football team in there after volleyball 
practice.

Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

2017-02-23 Thread George Skorup


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuQK6t2Esng

On 2/23/2017 2:49 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
Where it gets really crazy is when they start passing laws that you 
legally have to refer to someone by a pronoun of their choosing.  They 
have something like this in Canada right now.


On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Chuck McCown > wrote:


I know it will be tried.
We drilled a hole from the boy’s shower to the girls’ shower. 
First chance I got to look through the hole all I saw was Penni

Depriest’s eye looking in on me.  Then they put a bolt through the
hole  I felt like I was part of the Porky’s movie.
I have no clue how to attempt to help someone that is trans with
this problem and not cause much more troubles for others.  Force
the schools to build third facilities with a question mark over
the doors?  I wonder how the military does it in the barracks?
And if there was bathroom police checking birth certificates, does
that really matter as it may say one thing on the certificate but
they recently decided to identify as something else.  Isn’t there
one “identity” that is “fluid” or some such thing?
*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:33 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

Once you know someone who is transgender, it turns out not to be
like that at all. There are exceptions to everything, but if the
first thing that comes to your mind is identifying as a girl to
shower with the girls, then probably you don’t have any friends or
relatives that are transgender.  Well, that is unlikely, more
likely you just don’t know they are trans.

And school kids unfortunately take the brunt of this.  Anywhere
else, are there really going to be bathroom police checking birth
certificates?  There’s a creepy thought.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:52 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT trolling

Bored.

If this was mid 1970s and if I discovered that the president said
I could shower with the girls at school it I “identified as a
girl”, I sure as hell would have identified as a girl

I have not heard a single commentator address this issue.  Boys
will be boys.  What do the lgbtqrstuv folks have as an answer to
this situation?

They don’t seem to be interested in protecting the rights of my
granddaughter to not have the boy’s football team in there after
volleyball practice.

Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

Where it gets really crazy is when they start passing laws that you legally
have to refer to someone by a pronoun of their choosing.  They have
something like this in Canada right now.

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I know it will be tried.
>
> We drilled a hole from the boy’s shower to the girls’ shower.  First
> chance I got to look through the hole all I saw was Penni Depriest’s eye
> looking in on me.  Then they put a bolt through the hole  I felt like I
> was part of the Porky’s movie.
>
> I have no clue how to attempt to help someone that is trans with this
> problem and not cause much more troubles for others.  Force the schools to
> build third facilities with a question mark over the doors?  I wonder how
> the military does it in the barracks?
>
> And if there was bathroom police checking birth certificates, does that
> really matter as it may say one thing on the certificate but they recently
> decided to identify as something else.  Isn’t there one “identity” that is
> “fluid” or some such thing?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:33 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling
>
>
> Once you know someone who is transgender, it turns out not to be like that
> at all.  There are exceptions to everything, but if the first thing that
> comes to your mind is identifying as a girl to shower with the girls, then
> probably you don’t have any friends or relatives that are transgender.
> Well, that is unlikely, more likely you just don’t know they are trans.
>
>
>
> And school kids unfortunately take the brunt of this.  Anywhere else, are
> there really going to be bathroom police checking birth certificates?
> There’s a creepy thought.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:52 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT trolling
>
>
>
> Bored.
>
> If this was mid 1970s and if I discovered that the president said I could
> shower with the girls at school it I “identified as a girl”, I sure as hell
> would have identified as a girl
>
>
>
> I have not heard a single commentator address this issue.  Boys will be
> boys.  What do the lgbtqrstuv folks have as an answer to this situation?
>
>
>
> They don’t seem to be interested in protecting the rights of my
> granddaughter to not have the boy’s football team in there after volleyball
> practice.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

One for Jaime:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/23/sweden-democrats-trump-was-right.html

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

Oh, and I had a business partner for 30 years that was trans yes  I have 
known trans people

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

Once you know someone who is transgender, it turns out not to be like that at 
all.  There are exceptions to everything, but if the first thing that comes to 
your mind is identifying as a girl to shower with the girls, then probably you 
don’t have any friends or relatives that are transgender.  Well, that is 
unlikely, more likely you just don’t know they are trans.

And school kids unfortunately take the brunt of this.  Anywhere else, are there 
really going to be bathroom police checking birth certificates?  There’s a 
creepy thought.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT trolling

Bored.

If this was mid 1970s and if I discovered that the president said I could 
shower with the girls at school it I “identified as a girl”, I sure as hell 
would have identified as a girl

I have not heard a single commentator address this issue.  Boys will be boys.  
What do the lgbtqrstuv folks have as an answer to this situation?

They don’t seem to be interested in protecting the rights of my granddaughter 
to not have the boy’s football team in there after volleyball practice.

Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

Oh, and I had a business partner for 30 years that was trans yes  I have 
known trans people

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

Once you know someone who is transgender, it turns out not to be like that at 
all.  There are exceptions to everything, but if the first thing that comes to 
your mind is identifying as a girl to shower with the girls, then probably you 
don’t have any friends or relatives that are transgender.  Well, that is 
unlikely, more likely you just don’t know they are trans.

And school kids unfortunately take the brunt of this.  Anywhere else, are there 
really going to be bathroom police checking birth certificates?  There’s a 
creepy thought.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT trolling

Bored.

If this was mid 1970s and if I discovered that the president said I could 
shower with the girls at school it I “identified as a girl”, I sure as hell 
would have identified as a girl

I have not heard a single commentator address this issue.  Boys will be boys.  
What do the lgbtqrstuv folks have as an answer to this situation?

They don’t seem to be interested in protecting the rights of my granddaughter 
to not have the boy’s football team in there after volleyball practice.

Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

I know it will be tried.  

We drilled a hole from the boy’s shower to the girls’ shower.  First chance I 
got to look through the hole all I saw was Penni Depriest’s eye looking in on 
me.  Then they put a bolt through the hole  I felt like I was part of the 
Porky’s movie.  

I have no clue how to attempt to help someone that is trans with this problem 
and not cause much more troubles for others.  Force the schools to build third 
facilities with a question mark over the doors?  I wonder how the military does 
it in the barracks?

And if there was bathroom police checking birth certificates, does that really 
matter as it may say one thing on the certificate but they recently decided to 
identify as something else.  Isn’t there one “identity” that is “fluid” or some 
such thing?





From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

Once you know someone who is transgender, it turns out not to be like that at 
all.  There are exceptions to everything, but if the first thing that comes to 
your mind is identifying as a girl to shower with the girls, then probably you 
don’t have any friends or relatives that are transgender.  Well, that is 
unlikely, more likely you just don’t know they are trans.

 

And school kids unfortunately take the brunt of this.  Anywhere else, are there 
really going to be bathroom police checking birth certificates?  There’s a 
creepy thought.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT trolling

 

Bored.

If this was mid 1970s and if I discovered that the president said I could 
shower with the girls at school it I “identified as a girl”, I sure as hell 
would have identified as a girl

 

I have not heard a single commentator address this issue.  Boys will be boys.  
What do the lgbtqrstuv folks have as an answer to this situation?

 

They don’t seem to be interested in protecting the rights of my granddaughter 
to not have the boy’s football team in there after volleyball practice.

Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

Once you know someone who is transgender, it turns out not to be like that at 
all.  There are exceptions to everything, but if the first thing that comes to 
your mind is identifying as a girl to shower with the girls, then probably you 
don’t have any friends or relatives that are transgender.  Well, that is 
unlikely, more likely you just don’t know they are trans.

 

And school kids unfortunately take the brunt of this.  Anywhere else, are there 
really going to be bathroom police checking birth certificates?  There’s a 
creepy thought.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT trolling

 

Bored.

If this was mid 1970s and if I discovered that the president said I could 
shower with the girls at school it I “identified as a girl”, I sure as hell 
would have identified as a girl

 

I have not heard a single commentator address this issue.  Boys will be boys.  
What do the lgbtqrstuv folks have as an answer to this situation?

 

They don’t seem to be interested in protecting the rights of my granddaughter 
to not have the boy’s football team in there after volleyball practice.

[AFMUG] Adding second power supply to CMM4

2017-02-23 Thread Eric Muehleisen

We have a CMM4 in production with 56v supply that powers 4 PMP320's. We are
adding a 450 AP next week. Can we connect up a 29v supply without
disrupting the CMM4?

I realize this is not recommended practice but don't want to create an
outage if possible.

Re: [AFMUG] Flying COWs

2017-02-23 Thread Christopher Tyler

Sorry, must have glazed over on that part. So, tethered to the ground and no 
on-board batteries. That makes more sense.

-- 
Christopher Tyler 
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Zach Underwood" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 2:00:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Flying COWs

Yes it does take about flight time

"The tether between the drone and the ground provides a highly secure data
connection via fiber and supplies power to the Flying COW, which allows for
unlimited flight time."

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Did the dish run away with the spoon?
>
>
> On Feb 23, 2017 10:27 AM, "Dan Petermann"  wrote:
>
> http://wirelessestimator.com/articles/2017/industrys-first-
>> successful-flying-cow-live-test-is-made-by-att/
>>
>


-- 
Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)
My website 
advance-networking.com

Re: [AFMUG] Flying COWs

2017-02-23 Thread Zach Underwood

Yes it does take about flight time

"The tether between the drone and the ground provides a highly secure data
connection via fiber and supplies power to the Flying COW, which allows for
unlimited flight time."

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Did the dish run away with the spoon?
>
>
> On Feb 23, 2017 10:27 AM, "Dan Petermann"  wrote:
>
> http://wirelessestimator.com/articles/2017/industrys-first-
>> successful-flying-cow-live-test-is-made-by-att/
>>
>


-- 
Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)
My website 
advance-networking.com

Re: [AFMUG] Flying COWs


Did the dish run away with the spoon?

On Feb 23, 2017 10:27 AM, "Dan Petermann"  wrote:


http://wirelessestimator.com/articles/2017/industrys-first-
successful-flying-cow-live-test-is-made-by-att/

Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

There are national fire codes that most jurisdictions adopt.  
Same as the NEC etc.  

Irrespective of actual ordinances, the alarm companies are the ones setting the 
standards if no one else is.  I have been on both sides of this arguments when 
doing installs.  If I am the regulated ILEC I raise holy hell if they don’t 
want my line.  If I am the unregulated wisp or FTTH provider I raise holy hell 
in defying them to prove that my ATA or ONT is not good enough and that their 
pots comes from the equivalent technology out in that box along the highway.  

I am flexible.



From: Faisal Imtiaz 
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 12:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

Chuck, 


I have to disagree with you on part of your statement


Local ordinances vary from region to region 


Fire Alarms  ... are very particular, and require TWO  POTS phone lines (at 
least in our region)... nothing else is acceptable


Elevators ... no such requirement... the Emergency phone is typically auto call 
to the Maint Company.. most places do not have any specified requirements other 
than ... it needs a phone line. (it is not a free dial phone, you cannot 
call 911 on it for example... )


I cannot speak for bank vaults  :)


Regards.


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: "Chuck McCown" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 11:46:40 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

  Fire codes require them for elevators and bank vaults and most alarm 
companies want them too.  Especially for the fire alarm panel.

  Does not require power, it is arguably the most reliable phone line you can 
get, especially if it comes directly from the central office.  But even if 
coming from a DLC it will still be up 8 hours after the power goes out.  I 
understand why code requires it, and I somewhat agree.  VOIP, ATA, WISP even 
FTTH ONT circuits will not be as reliable. 

  From: Adam Moffett

  Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:51 AM
  To: af@afmug.com

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

  Yes, check local ordinances.
  Here it's not specifically an analog POTS line, but the line and anything it 
relies on (PBX, etc) has to operate without external power for some number of 
hours.

  I would argue that a POTS line *is* the best way.  Yes an ATA and a UPS meet 
the letter of the law, but who is checking the battery on the UPS?  Who reboots 
the ATA if it's locked up? etc.  The POTS line has no components outside of the 
CO, and the CO is maintained by the LEC. 

  Not that I don't want you to sell another VoIP line, but do *you* want to be 
the one getting in trouble if someone is stuck in the elevator and can't call 
for help?


  -- Original Message --
  From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
  To: af@afmug.com

  Sent: 2/23/2017 9:40:04 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

Need to check with your local ordinances...

In many places, folks are under a mis-impression that a hard line is 
required... (they confuse it with a dedicated line)

We have clients that have voip phone line for the elevator. (using an ATA).

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net





  From: "Dave" 
  To: "Animal Farm" 
  Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:27:28 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

  Someone needs to reach out to the yahoos concerned with elevators that 
HAVE TO HAVE a quote "Hardline". 
  I think we are in the 21st century and hard-lines I would think are about 
gone. 
  A company in town here had an issue getting a hardline from ATT for their 
elevator. They paid out the waazoo to get one just
  to satisfy safety requirements on the elevator... wTF.
  A reliable internet service would satisfy this I am sure with certain 
caveats in place IE UPS Backup when power fails for demarc in the building.



  --

[AFMUG] OT trolling

Bored.
If this was mid 1970s and if I discovered that the president said I could 
shower with the girls at school it I “identified as a girl”, I sure as hell 
would have identified as a girl

I have not heard a single commentator address this issue.  Boys will be boys.  
What do the lgbtqrstuv folks have as an answer to this situation?

They don’t seem to be interested in protecting the rights of my granddaughter 
to not have the boy’s football team in there after volleyball practice.

Re: [AFMUG] Flying COWs

2017-02-23 Thread Christopher Tyler

The article didn't mention flight time and it looks kinda heavy.

-- 
Christopher Tyler 
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 12:11:05 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Flying COWs

I will take two please!

On Feb 23, 2017 10:27 AM, "Dan Petermann"  wrote:

> http://wirelessestimator.com/articles/2017/industrys-first-
> successful-flying-cow-live-test-is-made-by-att/

Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

Chuck, 

I have to disagree with you on part of your statement 

Local ordinances vary from region to region 

Fire Alarms ... are very particular, and require TWO POTS phone lines (at 
least in our region)... nothing else is acceptable 

Elevators ... no such requirement... the Emergency phone is typically auto call 
to the Maint Company.. most places do not have any specified requirements other 
than ... it needs a phone line. (it is not a free dial phone, you cannot 
call 911 on it for example... ) 

I cannot speak for bank vaults :) 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 11:46:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

> Fire codes require them for elevators and bank vaults and most alarm companies
> want them too. Especially for the fire alarm panel.
> Does not require power, it is arguably the most reliable phone line you can 
> get,
> especially if it comes directly from the central office. But even if coming
> from a DLC it will still be up 8 hours after the power goes out. I understand
> why code requires it, and I somewhat agree. VOIP, ATA, WISP even FTTH ONT
> circuits will not be as reliable.
> From: Adam Moffett
> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:51 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines
> Yes, check local ordinances.
> Here it's not specifically an analog POTS line, but the line and anything it
> relies on (PBX, etc) has to operate without external power for some number of
> hours.
> I would argue that a POTS line *is* the best way. Yes an ATA and a UPS meet 
> the
> letter of the law, but who is checking the battery on the UPS? Who reboots the
> ATA if it's locked up? etc. The POTS line has no components outside of the CO,
> and the CO is maintained by the LEC.
> Not that I don't want you to sell another VoIP line, but do *you* want to be 
> the
> one getting in trouble if someone is stuck in the elevator and can't call for
> help?
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" < fai...@snappytelecom.net >
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/23/2017 9:40:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

>> Need to check with your local ordinances...
>> In many places, folks are under a mis-impression that a hard line is 
>> required...
>> (they confuse it with a dedicated line)
>> We have clients that have voip phone line for the elevator. (using an ATA).
>> Regards.
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>>> From: "Dave" < dmilho...@wletc.com >
>>> To: "Animal Farm" < af@afmug.com >
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:27:28 AM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

>>> Someone needs to reach out to the yahoos concerned with elevators that HAVE 
>>> TO
>>> HAVE a quote "Hardline".
>>> I think we are in the 21st century and hard-lines I would think are about 
>>> gone.
>>> A company in town here had an issue getting a hardline from ATT for their
>>> elevator. They paid out the waazoo to get one just
>>> to satisfy safety requirements on the elevator... wTF.
>>> A reliable internet service would satisfy this I am sure with certain 
>>> caveats in
>>> place IE UPS Backup when power fails for demarc in the building.

>>> --

Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

Here in Illinois, threatening to complain to the state utility regulator is
not much of a threat.  The state can't pay its bills and is in its 3rd year
without a budget.  Fining telcos for failing to provide service is not at
the top of the agenda.

Maybe Utah is different.

Oh, and another obstacle to getting a POTS line can be the cost to bury a
line to your house, if it's new construction set back several hundred feet
from the road.  And then bury a new one when somebody oops cuts it.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 11:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

Most customers are within the boundary of a Local Exchange Carrier with a
Certificate of Public Convenience and Necessity issued by the state public
utilitity regulators.  And, they are typically the COLR or POLR  Provider
(Carrier) Of Last Resort.  Being such they cannot refuse to provide a POTS
line.

Where was the location that a POLR did not exist?  Almost all of Utah has a
POLR.  The only places open, don't have any people living in them, like out
in the desert on BLM land.

-Original Message-
From: Brett A Mansfield
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 10:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

They don't require a computer anymore.

I have some customers with POTS lines that have had far more issues than any
of my magicJack customers.

If you can get a POTS line for only $20/mo the that would be great, but this
customer didn't have that option.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On Feb 23, 2017, at 10:19 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
>> On 2/23/17 09:11, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> I have mixed emotions.  If you got stuck in an elevator, bank vault 
>> or burning building which would you rather have connected, magic jack 
>> or a good old fashioned POTS line on good copper?
>
>
> Who wouldn't prefer a magicjack connected to a random desktop?

[AFMUG] Friday Fun - Brush with Fame

2017-02-23 Thread Ray Savich

Have you ever done work to connect a celebrity or well-known person using 
Cambium equipment? They need broadband too. Share your story and or photo of a 
famous person you connected (be sure to explain who they are for our 
international audience). Our judges will award a hat to the top three stories.



The first two people who post a photo of them with a celebrity they connected 
with Cambium equipment win a free ePMP Force 180 SM. 
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/Friday-Fun/February-24-2017-Brush-with-Fame/m-p/68978#U68978

Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

This was a business on the west side of the Salt Lake Valley. They could get 
CenturyLink, but it wouldn't have been built out in time though. 

I don't provide them with internet service or anything of the sort. I'm their 
outsourced IT department.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On Feb 23, 2017, at 10:29 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> Most customers are within the boundary of a Local Exchange Carrier with a 
> Certificate of Public Convenience and Necessity issued by the state public 
> utilitity regulators.  And, they are typically the COLR or POLR  Provider 
> (Carrier) Of Last Resort.  Being such they cannot refuse to provide a POTS 
> line.
> 
> Where was the location that a POLR did not exist?  Almost all of Utah has a 
> POLR.  The only places open, don't have any people living in them, like out 
> in the desert on BLM land.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Brett A Mansfield
> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 10:25 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines
> 
> They don't require a computer anymore.
> 
> I have some customers with POTS lines that have had far more issues than any 
> of my magicJack customers.
> 
> If you can get a POTS line for only $20/mo the that would be great, but this 
> customer didn't have that option.
> 
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
> 
>>> On Feb 23, 2017, at 10:19 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 2/23/17 09:11, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>> I have mixed emotions.  If you got stuck in an elevator, bank vault or
>>> burning building which would you rather have connected, magic jack or a
>>> good old fashioned POTS line on good copper?
>> 
>> 
>> Who wouldn't prefer a magicjack connected to a random desktop?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Flying COWs

2017-02-23 Thread Jaime Solorza

I will take two please!

On Feb 23, 2017 10:27 AM, "Dan Petermann"  wrote:

> http://wirelessestimator.com/articles/2017/industrys-first-
> successful-flying-cow-live-test-is-made-by-att/

Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

Fronter
Good Copper
Mutually Exclusive

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 10:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

We have Frontier.  They have no “good copper”.  They have waterlogged cables, 
and orange garbage bags on the side of the road where pedestals used to be.  If 
you are the last house on the road and the cable goes bad, no POTS for you.  
The mental image of well maintained copper cables is not reality in many 
places.  On the other hand, in urban areas, the ILEC may be converting 
everything to fiber or some hybrid fiber/VDSL system, and copper all the way to 
the central office is not an option.  Even in rural areas, they want to replace 
POTS with a wireless based service.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 11:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

I have mixed emotions.  If you got stuck in an elevator, bank vault or burning 
building which would you rather have connected, magic jack or a good old 
fashioned POTS line on good copper?

From: Brett A Mansfield 

Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 10:05 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

I had a customer here in Utah that didn't have their phone line installed in 
time for their inspection. 30 min before the inspector got there we bought a 
magicJack and a desktop UPS for it (internet router and connected switch 
already had a UPS large enough to last 72 hours). When the inspector saw it he 
said that was a great setup. The companies owner decided to cancel his order 
for the other phone line. It was $35/yr vs $79/mo. It's been a year and haven't 
had any issues. They test it monthly. 

Thank you, 

Brett A Mansfield

On Feb 23, 2017, at 9:46 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Fire codes require them for elevators and bank vaults and most alarm 
companies want them too.  Especially for the fire alarm panel.

  Does not require power, it is arguably the most reliable phone line you can 
get, especially if it comes directly from the central office.  But even if 
coming from a DLC it will still be up 8 hours after the power goes out.  I 
understand why code requires it, and I somewhat agree.  VOIP, ATA, WISP even 
FTTH ONT circuits will not be as reliable.  

  From: Adam Moffett 

  Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:51 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

  Yes, check local ordinances.

  Here it's not specifically an analog POTS line, but the line and anything it 
relies on (PBX, etc) has to operate without external power for some number of 
hours.

  I would argue that a POTS line *is* the best way.  Yes an ATA and a UPS meet 
the letter of the law, but who is checking the battery on the UPS?  Who reboots 
the ATA if it's locked up? etc.  The POTS line has no components outside of the 
CO, and the CO is maintained by the LEC.  

  Not that I don't want you to sell another VoIP line, but do *you* want to be 
the one getting in trouble if someone is stuck in the elevator and can't call 
for help?

  -- Original Message --

  From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 

  To: af@afmug.com

  Sent: 2/23/2017 9:40:04 AM

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

Need to check with your local ordinances...

In many places, folks are under a mis-impression that a hard line is 
required... (they confuse it with a dedicated line) 

We have clients that have voip phone line for the elevator. (using an ATA).

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

  From: "Dave" 
  To: "Animal Farm" 
  Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:27:28 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

  Someone needs to reach out to the yahoos concerned with elevators that 
HAVE TO HAVE a quote "Hardline". 
  I think we are in the 21st century and hard-lines I would think are about 
gone. 
  A company in town here had an issue getting a hardline from ATT for their 
elevator. They paid out the waazoo to get one just
  to satisfy safety requirements on the elevator... wTF.
  A reliable internet service would satisfy this I am sure with certain 
caveats in place IE UPS Backup when power fails for demarc in the building.

  --

Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

Most customers are within the boundary of a Local Exchange Carrier with a 
Certificate of Public Convenience and Necessity issued by the state public 
utilitity regulators.  And, they are typically the COLR or POLR  Provider 
(Carrier) Of Last Resort.  Being such they cannot refuse to provide a POTS 
line.


Where was the location that a POLR did not exist?  Almost all of Utah has a 
POLR.  The only places open, don't have any people living in them, like out 
in the desert on BLM land.


-Original Message- 
From: Brett A Mansfield

Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 10:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

They don't require a computer anymore.

I have some customers with POTS lines that have had far more issues than any 
of my magicJack customers.


If you can get a POTS line for only $20/mo the that would be great, but this 
customer didn't have that option.


Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield


On Feb 23, 2017, at 10:19 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:


On 2/23/17 09:11, Chuck McCown wrote:
I have mixed emotions.  If you got stuck in an elevator, bank vault or
burning building which would you rather have connected, magic jack or a
good old fashioned POTS line on good copper?



Who wouldn't prefer a magicjack connected to a random desktop?

Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

2017-02-23 Thread Travis Johnson


Hi,

They aren't asking for the correct type of line. They just need a basic, 
metered use line from Centurylink.


Travis


On 2/23/2017 10:25 AM, Brett A Mansfield wrote:

They don't require a computer anymore.

I have some customers with POTS lines that have had far more issues than any of 
my magicJack customers.

If you can get a POTS line for only $20/mo the that would be great, but this 
customer didn't have that option.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield


On Feb 23, 2017, at 10:19 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:


On 2/23/17 09:11, Chuck McCown wrote:
I have mixed emotions.  If you got stuck in an elevator, bank vault or
burning building which would you rather have connected, magic jack or a
good old fashioned POTS line on good copper?


Who wouldn't prefer a magicjack connected to a random desktop?

Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

We have Frontier.  They have no “good copper”.  They have waterlogged cables, 
and orange garbage bags on the side of the road where pedestals used to be.  If 
you are the last house on the road and the cable goes bad, no POTS for you.  
The mental image of well maintained copper cables is not reality in many 
places.  On the other hand, in urban areas, the ILEC may be converting 
everything to fiber or some hybrid fiber/VDSL system, and copper all the way to 
the central office is not an option.  Even in rural areas, they want to replace 
POTS with a wireless based service.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 11:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

 

I have mixed emotions.  If you got stuck in an elevator, bank vault or burning 
building which would you rather have connected, magic jack or a good old 
fashioned POTS line on good copper?

 

From: Brett A Mansfield 

Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 10:05 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

 

I had a customer here in Utah that didn't have their phone line installed in 
time for their inspection. 30 min before the inspector got there we bought a 
magicJack and a desktop UPS for it (internet router and connected switch 
already had a UPS large enough to last 72 hours). When the inspector saw it he 
said that was a great setup. The companies owner decided to cancel his order 
for the other phone line. It was $35/yr vs $79/mo. It's been a year and haven't 
had any issues. They test it monthly. 


Thank you, 

Brett A Mansfield


On Feb 23, 2017, at 9:46 AM, Chuck McCown  > wrote:

Fire codes require them for elevators and bank vaults and most alarm companies 
want them too.  Especially for the fire alarm panel.

 

Does not require power, it is arguably the most reliable phone line you can 
get, especially if it comes directly from the central office.  But even if 
coming from a DLC it will still be up 8 hours after the power goes out.  I 
understand why code requires it, and I somewhat agree.  VOIP, ATA, WISP even 
FTTH ONT circuits will not be as reliable.  

 

From: Adam Moffett 

Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:51 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

 

Yes, check local ordinances.

Here it's not specifically an analog POTS line, but the line and anything it 
relies on (PBX, etc) has to operate without external power for some number of 
hours.

 

I would argue that a POTS line *is* the best way.  Yes an ATA and a UPS meet 
the letter of the law, but who is checking the battery on the UPS?  Who reboots 
the ATA if it's locked up? etc.  The POTS line has no components outside of the 
CO, and the CO is maintained by the LEC.  

 

Not that I don't want you to sell another VoIP line, but do *you* want to be 
the one getting in trouble if someone is stuck in the elevator and can't call 
for help?

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Faisal Imtiaz"  >

To: af@afmug.com  

Sent: 2/23/2017 9:40:04 AM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

 

Need to check with your local ordinances...

 

In many places, folks are under a mis-impression that a hard line is 
required... (they confuse it with a dedicated line) 

 

We have clients that have voip phone line for the elevator. (using an ATA).

 

Regards.

 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 
 

 


  _  


From: "Dave"  >
To: "Animal Farm"  >
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:27:28 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

Someone needs to reach out to the yahoos concerned with elevators that HAVE TO 
HAVE a quote "Hardline". 
I think we are in the 21st century and hard-lines I would think are about gone. 
A company in town here had an issue getting a hardline from ATT for their 
elevator. They paid out the waazoo to get one just
to satisfy safety requirements on the elevator... wTF.
A reliable internet service would satisfy this I am sure with certain caveats 
in place IE UPS Backup when power fails for demarc in the building.



--

[AFMUG] Flying COWs

2017-02-23 Thread Dan Petermann

http://wirelessestimator.com/articles/2017/industrys-first-successful-flying-cow-live-test-is-made-by-att/

Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

They don't require a computer anymore. 

I have some customers with POTS lines that have had far more issues than any of 
my magicJack customers.

If you can get a POTS line for only $20/mo the that would be great, but this 
customer didn't have that option. 

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On Feb 23, 2017, at 10:19 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
> 
>> On 2/23/17 09:11, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> I have mixed emotions.  If you got stuck in an elevator, bank vault or
>> burning building which would you rather have connected, magic jack or a
>> good old fashioned POTS line on good copper?
> 
> 
> Who wouldn't prefer a magicjack connected to a random desktop?

Re: [AFMUG] form 477 filing

2017-02-23 Thread Jordan Gregory

So I still need to file ... not sure what is up. Interface is still
unavailable.

Should I do it manually?

Thank You,

Jordan Gregory
Founder / CEO
Hive Wireless, LLC

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 6:34 AM, Dave  wrote:

> Exactly, I already filed so I dont know why I got another notice LOL
>
>
>
> On 02/23/2017 08:18 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> Seven minutes after I get an e-mail from the FCC reminding me to file.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Dave"  
> *To: *"Animal Farm"  
> *Sent: *Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:17:55 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] form 477 filing
>
> seems the filing interface is offline till further notice so hopefully its
> back up before march 1st :)
>
>  https://apps2.fcc.gov/form477/login.xhtml
>
>
> --
>
>
> --
>

Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

2017-02-23 Thread Seth Mattinen


On 2/23/17 09:11, Chuck McCown wrote:

I have mixed emotions.  If you got stuck in an elevator, bank vault or
burning building which would you rather have connected, magic jack or a
good old fashioned POTS line on good copper?



Who wouldn't prefer a magicjack connected to a random desktop?

Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

2017-02-23 Thread Travis Johnson


Hi,

I own 3 buildings with elevators. We have landlines for each of them... 
cost us $20/month each (measured use lines). If your client is that 
tight on money to risk a lawsuit and possibly someone getting seriously 
injured and not being able to contact EMS, I guess that's their choice.


Travis

On 2/23/2017 10:05 AM, Brett A Mansfield wrote:
I had a customer here in Utah that didn't have their phone line 
installed in time for their inspection. 30 min before the inspector 
got there we bought a magicJack and a desktop UPS for it (internet 
router and connected switch already had a UPS large enough to last 72 
hours). When the inspector saw it he said that was a great setup. The 
companies owner decided to cancel his order for the other phone line. 
It was $35/yr vs $79/mo. It's been a year and haven't had any issues. 
They test it monthly.


Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Feb 23, 2017, at 9:46 AM, Chuck McCown > wrote:


Fire codes require them for elevators and bank vaults and most alarm 
companies want them too.  Especially for the fire alarm panel.
Does not require power, it is arguably the most reliable phone line 
you can get, especially if it comes directly from the central 
office.  But even if coming from a DLC it will still be up 8 hours 
after the power goes out.  I understand why code requires it, and I 
somewhat agree.  VOIP, ATA, WISP even FTTH ONT circuits will not be 
as reliable.

*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:51 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines
Yes, check local ordinances.
Here it's not specifically an analog POTS line, but the line and 
anything it relies on (PBX, etc) has to operate without external 
power for some number of hours.
I would argue that a POTS line *is* the best way. Yes an ATA and a 
UPS meet the letter of the law, but who is checking the battery on 
the UPS?  Who reboots the ATA if it's locked up? etc.  The POTS line 
has no components outside of the CO, and the CO is maintained by the 
LEC.
Not that I don't want you to sell another VoIP line, but do *you* 
want to be the one getting in trouble if someone is stuck in the 
elevator and can't call for help?

-- Original Message --
From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/23/2017 9:40:04 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

Need to check with your local ordinances...
In many places, folks are under a mis-impression that a hard line is 
required... (they confuse it with a dedicated line)
We have clients that have voip phone line for the elevator. (using 
an ATA).

Regards.
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


*From: *"Dave" 
*To: *"Animal Farm" 
*Sent: *Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:27:28 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

Someone needs to reach out to the yahoos concerned with
elevators that HAVE TO HAVE a quote "Hardline".
I think we are in the 21st century and hard-lines I would think
are about gone.
A company in town here had an issue getting a hardline from ATT
for their elevator. They paid out the waazoo to get one just
to satisfy safety requirements on the elevator... wTF.
A reliable internet service would satisfy this I am sure with
certain caveats in place IE UPS Backup when power fails for
demarc in the building.


--

Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

I have mixed emotions.  If you got stuck in an elevator, bank vault or burning 
building which would you rather have connected, magic jack or a good old 
fashioned POTS line on good copper?

From: Brett A Mansfield 
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 10:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

I had a customer here in Utah that didn't have their phone line installed in 
time for their inspection. 30 min before the inspector got there we bought a 
magicJack and a desktop UPS for it (internet router and connected switch 
already had a UPS large enough to last 72 hours). When the inspector saw it he 
said that was a great setup. The companies owner decided to cancel his order 
for the other phone line. It was $35/yr vs $79/mo. It's been a year and haven't 
had any issues. They test it monthly. 

Thank you, 
Brett A Mansfield

On Feb 23, 2017, at 9:46 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Fire codes require them for elevators and bank vaults and most alarm 
companies want them too.  Especially for the fire alarm panel.

  Does not require power, it is arguably the most reliable phone line you can 
get, especially if it comes directly from the central office.  But even if 
coming from a DLC it will still be up 8 hours after the power goes out.  I 
understand why code requires it, and I somewhat agree.  VOIP, ATA, WISP even 
FTTH ONT circuits will not be as reliable.  

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:51 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

  Yes, check local ordinances.
  Here it's not specifically an analog POTS line, but the line and anything it 
relies on (PBX, etc) has to operate without external power for some number of 
hours.

  I would argue that a POTS line *is* the best way.  Yes an ATA and a UPS meet 
the letter of the law, but who is checking the battery on the UPS?  Who reboots 
the ATA if it's locked up? etc.  The POTS line has no components outside of the 
CO, and the CO is maintained by the LEC.  

  Not that I don't want you to sell another VoIP line, but do *you* want to be 
the one getting in trouble if someone is stuck in the elevator and can't call 
for help?

  -- Original Message --
  From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 2/23/2017 9:40:04 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

Need to check with your local ordinances...

In many places, folks are under a mis-impression that a hard line is 
required... (they confuse it with a dedicated line) 

We have clients that have voip phone line for the elevator. (using an ATA).

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

  From: "Dave" 
  To: "Animal Farm" 
  Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:27:28 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

  Someone needs to reach out to the yahoos concerned with elevators that 
HAVE TO HAVE a quote "Hardline". 
  I think we are in the 21st century and hard-lines I would think are about 
gone. 
  A company in town here had an issue getting a hardline from ATT for their 
elevator. They paid out the waazoo to get one just
  to satisfy safety requirements on the elevator... wTF.
  A reliable internet service would satisfy this I am sure with certain 
caveats in place IE UPS Backup when power fails for demarc in the building.

  --

Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

I had a customer here in Utah that didn't have their phone line installed in 
time for their inspection. 30 min before the inspector got there we bought a 
magicJack and a desktop UPS for it (internet router and connected switch 
already had a UPS large enough to last 72 hours). When the inspector saw it he 
said that was a great setup. The companies owner decided to cancel his order 
for the other phone line. It was $35/yr vs $79/mo. It's been a year and haven't 
had any issues. They test it monthly. 

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On Feb 23, 2017, at 9:46 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> Fire codes require them for elevators and bank vaults and most alarm 
> companies want them too.  Especially for the fire alarm panel.
>  
> Does not require power, it is arguably the most reliable phone line you can 
> get, especially if it comes directly from the central office.  But even if 
> coming from a DLC it will still be up 8 hours after the power goes out.  I 
> understand why code requires it, and I somewhat agree.  VOIP, ATA, WISP even 
> FTTH ONT circuits will not be as reliable. 
>  
> From: Adam Moffett
> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:51 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines
>  
> Yes, check local ordinances.
> Here it's not specifically an analog POTS line, but the line and anything it 
> relies on (PBX, etc) has to operate without external power for some number of 
> hours.
>  
> I would argue that a POTS line *is* the best way.  Yes an ATA and a UPS meet 
> the letter of the law, but who is checking the battery on the UPS?  Who 
> reboots the ATA if it's locked up? etc.  The POTS line has no components 
> outside of the CO, and the CO is maintained by the LEC. 
>  
> Not that I don't want you to sell another VoIP line, but do *you* want to be 
> the one getting in trouble if someone is stuck in the elevator and can't call 
> for help?
>  
>  
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/23/2017 9:40:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines
>  
>> Need to check with your local ordinances...
>>  
>> In many places, folks are under a mis-impression that a hard line is 
>> required... (they confuse it with a dedicated line)
>>  
>> We have clients that have voip phone line for the elevator. (using an ATA).
>>  
>> Regards.
>>  
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>> 
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>  
>> From: "Dave" 
>> To: "Animal Farm" 
>> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:27:28 AM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines
>> Someone needs to reach out to the yahoos concerned with elevators that HAVE 
>> TO HAVE a quote "Hardline". 
>> I think we are in the 21st century and hard-lines I would think are about 
>> gone. 
>> A company in town here had an issue getting a hardline from ATT for their 
>> elevator. They paid out the waazoo to get one just
>> to satisfy safety requirements on the elevator... wTF.
>> A reliable internet service would satisfy this I am sure with certain 
>> caveats in place IE UPS Backup when power fails for demarc in the building.
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>>

Re: [AFMUG] 5G

The way their usage works - mobile devices, often indoors - this will only
help in more densely populated areas, and at 5GHz you're going to have to
be pretty close to that AP either way. Admittedly, I always think in terms
of rural areas, where I can't see how this is going to have much effect. I
still can't even get a reliable cell signal in some subdivisions in which I
offer service.

On Thursday, February 23, 2017, Gino Villarini  wrote:

> Theres a lot of 5 ghz so the can do CA with licensed and unlicensed
>
> From: Af  > on behalf of
> Jason McKemie  >
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com " <
> af@afmug.com >
> Date: Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 12:30 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com " <
> af@afmug.com >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5G
>
> I think the gigabit figure is a bit misleading is all.
> It says they are testing this with 60MHz of 2.5GHz spectrum. I'd have to
> look again, but there aren't a lot of carriers with a 60MHz nationwide
> footprint. Even at that, it will be split amongst all the users of the
> band.
>
> On Thursday, February 23, 2017, Gino Villarini  > wrote:
>
>> Not really
>>
>> https://www.telegeography.com/products/commsupdate/articles/
>> 2017/02/23/sprint-ericsson-to-demo-gigabit-data-speeds-over-
>> td-lte/?utm_source=CommsUpdate_campaign=842ec531cf-
>> CommsUpdate+23+February+2017_medium=email_term=0_
>> 0688983330-842ec531cf-8827113
>>
>> From: Af  on behalf of Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Date: Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 12:30 AM
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5G
>>
>> In a lab with unlimited spectrum maybe. It will be a fraction of this in
>> all reality. They could get closer with millimeter wave, but that's a
>> different animal entirely.
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 22, 2017, Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Check this out
>>> http://www.fiercewireless.com/special-report/gigabit-keeps-l
>>> te-fast-lane?mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiWlRrMFkySTJObVU0TkRSbCIsInQiOiJ
>>> CRytrXC9IdU92c3NISUVUOVBIOGJaMXNDZnN1aklXUUZ1VXJXQmFYS0NzdU1
>>> kdmhVWTFBSFIwNDRcL0MzRERkNTlVSEJEUE9oM3RuVkttWFJRanE5ZUV2SHg
>>> 3cFhPdERtZllVTVlwb3E4YlJkRDFtQ1ZoZHhIZzMyRTduRFR0V1IzIn0%3D
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino Villarini*
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino Villarini*
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>
>>> On Feb 22, 2017 7:53 AM, "Jason McKemie" >> com> wrote:
>>>
 5G. 5th generation? 5 GHz? 5 Gigawatts? This term is much more in the
 ether than something like LTE. The cell companies hyped up the marketing to
 the point where it lost the original meaning.

 On Wednesday, February 22, 2017, Gino Villarini 
 wrote:

> I think its a marketing play with hyped terms that
> not necessary follow what 5G really menas and its deceptive.
>
> Might as well call your service LTE… it provides broadband wirelessly
> …
>
> From: Af  on behalf of Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 at 9:06 AM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5G
>
> I don't see anything wrong with Mimosa calling their stuff 5G. They
> should have gone ahead and called it 6G, it's effectively faster than the
> cell companies' version of 5G...
>
> On Wednesday, February 22, 2017, Gino Villarini 
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, no problem with that, but how do you call that 5G?
>>
>> From: Af  on behalf of Rory Conaway <
>> r...@triadwireless.net>
>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Date: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 8:40 PM
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5G
>>
>> Gino, the GPS software does work.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *David
>> Milholen
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2017 5:34 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5G
>>
>>
>>
>> That sounds like a WIFI company we have here boasting the most BS I
>> have seen in a while. So, happy to get sloppy seconds after customer had
>> their fill .
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

"we're sorry, but this elevator is now out of service.  It will return to 
service at 8:00 am tomorrow..."

-Original Message- 
From: Seth Mattinen

Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

On 2/23/17 08:43, Chuck McCown wrote:

Elevators are faraday cages.  Cell phones do not always work there...

All of the elevators at school had phone numbers that you could call
them with because they were set up with auto answer speakerphones. Kinda
fun to mess with people.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

2017-02-23 Thread Seth Mattinen


On 2/23/17 08:43, Chuck McCown wrote:

Elevators are faraday cages.  Cell phones do not always work there...



All of the elevators at school had phone numbers that you could call 
them with because they were set up with auto answer speakerphones. Kinda 
fun to mess with people.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

Fire codes require them for elevators and bank vaults and most alarm companies 
want them too.  Especially for the fire alarm panel.

Does not require power, it is arguably the most reliable phone line you can 
get, especially if it comes directly from the central office.  But even if 
coming from a DLC it will still be up 8 hours after the power goes out.  I 
understand why code requires it, and I somewhat agree.  VOIP, ATA, WISP even 
FTTH ONT circuits will not be as reliable.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

Yes, check local ordinances.
Here it's not specifically an analog POTS line, but the line and anything it 
relies on (PBX, etc) has to operate without external power for some number of 
hours.

I would argue that a POTS line *is* the best way.  Yes an ATA and a UPS meet 
the letter of the law, but who is checking the battery on the UPS?  Who reboots 
the ATA if it's locked up? etc.  The POTS line has no components outside of the 
CO, and the CO is maintained by the LEC.  

Not that I don't want you to sell another VoIP line, but do *you* want to be 
the one getting in trouble if someone is stuck in the elevator and can't call 
for help?


-- Original Message --
From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/23/2017 9:40:04 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

  Need to check with your local ordinances...

  In many places, folks are under a mis-impression that a hard line is 
required... (they confuse it with a dedicated line) 

  We have clients that have voip phone line for the elevator. (using an ATA).

  Regards.

  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  7266 SW 48 Street
  Miami, FL 33155
  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


--

From: "Dave" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:27:28 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

Someone needs to reach out to the yahoos concerned with elevators that HAVE 
TO HAVE a quote "Hardline". 
I think we are in the 21st century and hard-lines I would think are about 
gone. 
A company in town here had an issue getting a hardline from ATT for their 
elevator. They paid out the waazoo to get one just
to satisfy safety requirements on the elevator... wTF.
A reliable internet service would satisfy this I am sure with certain 
caveats in place IE UPS Backup when power fails for demarc in the building.



--

Re: [AFMUG] Fun in Dona Ana, NM

2017-02-23 Thread Sam Lambie

Please make sure that the pics are fuzzy.


On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 9:31 AM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> 2 inches of gravel ... Let me find pictures
>
> On Feb 22, 2017 5:36 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>
>> Might not be an issue in New Mexico. Frost layer there rarely goes more
>> than 1/2" below the surface.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 2/22/2017 4:33 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:
>>
>> Is that a hollow-rod tower? If so, did they make sure to have water
>> egress at the pipe bottoms inside the concrete so that water doesn't
>> accumulate and burst the pipes after freezing?
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Jaime Solorza > > wrote:
>>
>>> This morning
>>>
>>
>>
>>


-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

Elevators are faraday cages.  Cell phones do not always work there...

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 7:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

How do you think that call gets from Verizon to AT over that hardline exactly?

On Feb 23, 2017 8:37 AM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

  Internet is far more complicated than a pair of copper wires.  I can see 
where they're coming from. 

  Having said that...who the hell wouldn't use their cell phone...

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 9:27 AM, Dave  wrote:

Someone needs to reach out to the yahoos concerned with elevators that HAVE 
TO HAVE a quote "Hardline". 
I think we are in the 21st century and hard-lines I would think are about 
gone. 
A company in town here had an issue getting a hardline from ATT for their 
elevator. They paid out the waazoo to get one just
to satisfy safety requirements on the elevator... wTF.
A reliable internet service would satisfy this I am sure with certain 
caveats in place IE UPS Backup when power fails for demarc in the building.

--

Re: [AFMUG] 5G

2017-02-23 Thread Gino Villarini

Theres a lot of 5 ghz so the can do CA with licensed and unlicensed

From: Af > on behalf of Jason 
McKemie 
>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 12:30 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5G

I think the gigabit figure is a bit misleading is all.
It says they are testing this with 60MHz of 2.5GHz spectrum. I'd have to look 
again, but there aren't a lot of carriers with a 60MHz nationwide footprint. 
Even at that, it will be split amongst all the users of the band.

On Thursday, February 23, 2017, Gino Villarini 
> wrote:
Not really

https://www.telegeography.com/products/commsupdate/articles/2017/02/23/sprint-ericsson-to-demo-gigabit-data-speeds-over-td-lte/?utm_source=CommsUpdate_campaign=842ec531cf-CommsUpdate+23+February+2017_medium=email_term=0_0688983330-842ec531cf-8827113

From: Af 
> on 
behalf of Jason McKemie 
>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 12:30 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5G

In a lab with unlimited spectrum maybe. It will be a fraction of this in all 
reality. They could get closer with millimeter wave, but that's a different 
animal entirely.

On Wednesday, February 22, 2017, Jaime Solorza 
>
 wrote:
Check this out
http://www.fiercewireless.com/special-report/gigabit-keeps-lte-fast-lane?mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiWlRrMFkySTJObVU0TkRSbCIsInQiOiJCRytrXC9IdU92c3NISUVUOVBIOGJaMXNDZnN1aklXUUZ1VXJXQmFYS0NzdU1kdmhVWTFBSFIwNDRcL0MzRERkNTlVSEJEUE9oM3RuVkttWFJRanE5ZUV2SHg3cFhPdERtZllVTVlwb3E4YlJkRDFtQ1ZoZHhIZzMyRTduRFR0V1IzIn0%3D

Gino Villarini

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Gino Villarini

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Feb 22, 2017 7:53 AM, "Jason McKemie"  
wrote:
5G. 5th generation? 5 GHz? 5 Gigawatts? This term is much more in the ether 
than something like LTE. The cell companies hyped up the marketing to the point 
where it lost the original meaning.

On Wednesday, February 22, 2017, Gino Villarini  wrote:
I think its a marketing play with hyped terms that not necessary follow what 5G 
really menas and its deceptive.

Might as well call your service LTE… it provides broadband wirelessly…

From: Af  on behalf of Jason McKemie 

Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 at 9:06 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5G

I don't see anything wrong with Mimosa calling their stuff 5G. They should have 
gone ahead and called it 6G, it's effectively faster than the cell companies' 
version of 5G...

On Wednesday, February 22, 2017, Gino Villarini  wrote:
Yeah, no problem with that, but how do you call that 5G?

From: Af  on behalf of Rory Conaway 

Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 8:40 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5G

Gino, the GPS software does work.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David Milholen
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 5:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5G

That sounds like a WIFI company we have here boasting the most BS I have seen 
in a while. So, happy to get sloppy seconds after customer had their fill .

Gino Villarini

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Gino Villarini

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

On 2/21/2017 12:38 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
The average consumer has no clue what any of the following terms mean, despite 
spending a lot of money on them:

WiFi, 4G, 5G, LTE, modem, router, satellite, server

And the industry is happy to keep them stupid, for example defining “unlimited” 
as “throttled after 22 GB”.  The latest I saw is Qualcomm wanting people to 
think their phones will soon have gigabit download speeds.  Mobile

Re: [AFMUG] Fun in Dona Ana, NM

2017-02-23 Thread Jaime Solorza

2 inches of gravel ... Let me find pictures

On Feb 22, 2017 5:36 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

> Might not be an issue in New Mexico. Frost layer there rarely goes more
> than 1/2" below the surface.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/22/2017 4:33 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:
>
> Is that a hollow-rod tower? If so, did they make sure to have water egress
> at the pipe bottoms inside the concrete so that water doesn't accumulate
> and burst the pipes after freezing?
>
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> This morning
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 5G

I think the gigabit figure is a bit misleading is all.
It says they are testing this with 60MHz of 2.5GHz spectrum. I'd have to
look again, but there aren't a lot of carriers with a 60MHz nationwide
footprint. Even at that, it will be split amongst all the users of the
band.

On Thursday, February 23, 2017, Gino Villarini  wrote:

> Not really
>
> https://www.telegeography.com/products/commsupdate/articles/
> 2017/02/23/sprint-ericsson-to-demo-gigabit-data-speeds-over-
> td-lte/?utm_source=CommsUpdate_campaign=842ec531cf-CommsUpdate+23+
> February+2017_medium=email_term=0_0688983330-842ec531cf-8827113
>
> From: Af  > on behalf of
> Jason McKemie  >
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com " <
> af@afmug.com >
> Date: Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 12:30 AM
> To: "af@afmug.com " <
> af@afmug.com >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5G
>
> In a lab with unlimited spectrum maybe. It will be a fraction of this in
> all reality. They could get closer with millimeter wave, but that's a
> different animal entirely.
>
> On Wednesday, February 22, 2017, Jaime Solorza  > wrote:
>
>> Check this out
>> http://www.fiercewireless.com/special-report/gigabit-keeps-l
>> te-fast-lane?mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiWlRrMFkySTJObVU0TkRSbCIsInQiOiJ
>> CRytrXC9IdU92c3NISUVUOVBIOGJaMXNDZnN1aklXUUZ1VXJXQmFYS0NzdU1
>> kdmhVWTFBSFIwNDRcL0MzRERkNTlVSEJEUE9oM3RuVkttWFJRanE5ZUV2SHg
>> 3cFhPdERtZllVTVlwb3E4YlJkRDFtQ1ZoZHhIZzMyRTduRFR0V1IzIn0%3D
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino Villarini*
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>> On Feb 22, 2017 7:53 AM, "Jason McKemie" > com> wrote:
>>
>>> 5G. 5th generation? 5 GHz? 5 Gigawatts? This term is much more in the
>>> ether than something like LTE. The cell companies hyped up the marketing to
>>> the point where it lost the original meaning.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 22, 2017, Gino Villarini 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I think its a marketing play with hyped terms that
 not necessary follow what 5G really menas and its deceptive.

 Might as well call your service LTE… it provides broadband wirelessly…

 From: Af  on behalf of Jason McKemie <
 j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
 Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
 Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 at 9:06 AM
 To: "af@afmug.com" 
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5G

 I don't see anything wrong with Mimosa calling their stuff 5G. They
 should have gone ahead and called it 6G, it's effectively faster than the
 cell companies' version of 5G...

 On Wednesday, February 22, 2017, Gino Villarini 
 wrote:

> Yeah, no problem with that, but how do you call that 5G?
>
> From: Af  on behalf of Rory Conaway <
> r...@triadwireless.net>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 8:40 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5G
>
> Gino, the GPS software does work.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *David Milholen
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2017 5:34 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5G
>
>
>
> That sounds like a WIFI company we have here boasting the most BS I
> have seen in a while. So, happy to get sloppy seconds after customer had
> their fill .
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> On 2/21/2017 12:38 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> The average consumer has no clue what any of the following terms mean,
> despite spending a lot of money on them:
>
>
>
> WiFi, 4G, 5G, LTE, modem, router, satellite, server
>
>
>
> And the industry is happy to keep them stupid, for example defining
> “unlimited” as “throttled after 22 GB”.  The latest I saw is Qualcomm
> wanting people to think their phones will soon have gigabit download
> speeds.  Mobile carriers of course don’t sell speed plans, they sell data
> plans, and manufacturers like Qualcomm conflate sector capacity with end
> user speed.  As well as neglecting to explain that all that unlicensed
> spectrum will only be used for urban small cells, not

Re: [AFMUG] Fun in Dona Ana, NM

2017-02-23 Thread Sam Lambie

Down in southern NM, that is not an issue. Here in Northern NM, I have seen
burst legs on towers that weren't set up to drain.

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> Might not be an issue in New Mexico. Frost layer there rarely goes more
> than 1/2" below the surface.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/22/2017 4:33 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:
>
> Is that a hollow-rod tower? If so, did they make sure to have water egress
> at the pipe bottoms inside the concrete so that water doesn't accumulate
> and burst the pipes after freezing?
>
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> This morning
>>
>
>
>


-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

2017-02-23 Thread Adam Moffett


Yes, check local ordinances.
Here it's not specifically an analog POTS line, but the line and 
anything it relies on (PBX, etc) has to operate without external power 
for some number of hours.


I would argue that a POTS line *is* the best way.  Yes an ATA and a UPS 
meet the letter of the law, but who is checking the battery on the UPS?  
Who reboots the ATA if it's locked up? etc.  The POTS line has no 
components outside of the CO, and the CO is maintained by the LEC.


Not that I don't want you to sell another VoIP line, but do *you* want 
to be the one getting in trouble if someone is stuck in the elevator and 
can't call for help?



-- Original Message --
From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/23/2017 9:40:04 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines


Need to check with your local ordinances...

In many places, folks are under a mis-impression that a hard line is 
required... (they confuse it with a dedicated line)


We have clients that have voip phone line for the elevator. (using an 
ATA).


Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net



From: "Dave" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:27:28 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines
Someone needs to reach out to the yahoos concerned with elevators that 
HAVE TO HAVE a quote "Hardline".
I think we are in the 21st century and hard-lines I would think are 
about gone.
A company in town here had an issue getting a hardline from ATT for 
their elevator. They paid out the waazoo to get one just

to satisfy safety requirements on the elevator... wTF.
A reliable internet service would satisfy this I am sure with certain 
caveats in place IE UPS Backup when power fails for demarc in the 
building.



--

Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

“Hardline” is another of those terms people use but if you ask them what it 
means they have no idea.  Are they telling us we need to use Heliax?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

The ATA can be placed in the pots room for all I care so long as stupid 
elevator has a dial tone LOL
I just love our State level of education on anything high-tech or something 
with a button LOL

Reminds me of dextor when DD says "What does this button dooo."

On 02/23/2017 09:13 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Using a network that's monitored 24/7 and fixed by dozens of people on call. 

Not like a $40 ATA that's getting covered in graphite in the elevator room.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 9:40 AM, Josh Reynolds  > wrote:

How do you think that call gets from Verizon to AT over that hardline exactly?

On Feb 23, 2017 8:37 AM, "Josh Luthman"  > wrote:

Internet is far more complicated than a pair of copper wires.  I can see where 
they're coming from. 

Having said that...who the hell wouldn't use their cell phone...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 9:27 AM, Dave  > wrote:

Someone needs to reach out to the yahoos concerned with elevators that HAVE TO 
HAVE a quote "Hardline". 
I think we are in the 21st century and hard-lines I would think are about gone. 
A company in town here had an issue getting a hardline from ATT for their 
elevator. They paid out the waazoo to get one just
to satisfy safety requirements on the elevator... wTF.
A reliable internet service would satisfy this I am sure with certain caveats 
in place IE UPS Backup when power fails for demarc in the building.

-- 

--

Re: [AFMUG] Siklu Multihaul PTMP 60 ghz

For 2000ft your best bet would be the Metrolinq Sector ! 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Bill Prince" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 10:00:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Siklu Multihaul PTMP 60 ghz

> I don't see any mention of range. What's this good for? 2000 feet?

> bp
> 
> On 2/23/2017 6:52 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:

>> https://www.siklu.com/portfolio-posts/multihaul-point-to-multi-point/

>> ï¿½

>> Gino Villarini
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

2017-02-23 Thread Josh Luthman

Using a network that's monitored 24/7 and fixed by dozens of people on call.

Not like a $40 ATA that's getting covered in graphite in the elevator room.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 9:40 AM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> How do you think that call gets from Verizon to AT over that hardline
> exactly?
>
> On Feb 23, 2017 8:37 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
>> Internet is far more complicated than a pair of copper wires.  I can see
>> where they're coming from.
>>
>> Having said that...who the hell wouldn't use their cell phone...
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 9:27 AM, Dave  wrote:
>>
>>> Someone needs to reach out to the yahoos concerned with elevators that
>>> HAVE TO HAVE a quote "Hardline".
>>> I think we are in the 21st century and hard-lines I would think are
>>> about gone.
>>> A company in town here had an issue getting a hardline from ATT for
>>> their elevator. They paid out the waazoo to get one just
>>> to satisfy safety requirements on the elevator... wTF.
>>> A reliable internet service would satisfy this I am sure with certain
>>> caveats in place IE UPS Backup when power fails for demarc in the building.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Siklu Multihaul PTMP 60 ghz

2017-02-23 Thread Bill Prince


Ohhh. 984 feet. Shazam.


bp


On 2/23/2017 7:00 AM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:

It's up the spec sheet download. Good up to 300 meters.

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 10:00 AM, Bill Prince > wrote:


I don't see any mention of range. What's this good for? 2000 feet?


bp


On 2/23/2017 6:52 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:

https://www.siklu.com/portfolio-posts/multihaul-point-to-multi-point/


*//*ï¿½

*/Gino Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] Siklu Multihaul PTMP 60 ghz

2017-02-23 Thread can...@believewireless.net

It's up the spec sheet download. Good up to 300 meters.

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 10:00 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> I don't see any mention of range. What's this good for? 2000 feet?
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/23/2017 6:52 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>
> https://www.siklu.com/portfolio-posts/multihaul-point-to-multi-point/
>
> ï¿½
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Siklu Multihaul PTMP 60 ghz

2017-02-23 Thread Bill Prince


I don't see any mention of range. What's this good for? 2000 feet?


bp


On 2/23/2017 6:52 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:

https://www.siklu.com/portfolio-posts/multihaul-point-to-multi-point/

*//*

*/Gino Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT has horns too!

35% more horny? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:55:09 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT has horns too! 



Get the hot new product from McCownTech: the StingerHorn! 
New and improved with the latest horn technology everyone is talking about. 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:39 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT has horns too! 


I don't disagree. 



On Feb 23, 2017 8:30 AM, "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




I remember seeing others pointing out issues with the UBNT ones. They seemed to 
be marketed\intended for CPE (given the station name), but the coverage area is 
just plain gross for a non-beamforming CPE. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 







From: "Josh Reynolds" < j...@kyneticwifi.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:24:46 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT has horns too! 

Comes down to cost. For very similar patterns and antenna gain, UBNT is 
releasing an option with a radio and antenna sold as a kit. For more than twice 
the price of that kit, you can buy an equivalent RF Elements antenna and 
twistport adapter. 



Not a big deal if you're deploying 5, but if you're deploying dozens / 
hundreds, it adds up fast. 



On Feb 23, 2017 8:10 AM, "Tim Reichhart" < timreichh...@hometowncable.net > 
wrote: 




I guess you guys are missing the point here rf elements have the twist port 
adapters that lock onto the horn how is ubnt any different then rf elements 
then twist port adapters and horns? 





-Original Message- 
From: "Mathew Howard" < mhoward...@gmail.com > 
To: af < af@afmug.com > 
Date: 02/23/17 09:05 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT has horns too! 

These are kinda different, being as they have built in radios. 




On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Rory Conaway < r...@triadwireless.net > wrote: 





Ubiquiti is copying RF Elements horns? Seriously? 

Rory 



From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart 
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 12:05 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT has horns too! 





But they are not is good as RF elements btw 





-Original Message- 
From: "Gino Villarini" < g...@aeronetpr.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Date: 02/22/17 02:02 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] UBNT has horns too! 



Gino Villarini 

President 

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

2017-02-23 Thread Nate Burke

AT Just tried to "upgrade" a location I work with from POTS to 
U-Verse, when I mentioned there is an elevator there, they said, "Oh, 
you're not eligible for U-verse Phone then".  That didn't stop sales 
people calling once a week to schedule the "upgrade" though.


On 2/23/2017 8:40 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
How do you think that call gets from Verizon to AT over that 
hardline exactly?


On Feb 23, 2017 8:37 AM, "Josh Luthman" > wrote:


Internet is far more complicated than a pair of copper wires.  I
can see where they're coming from.

Having said that...who the hell wouldn't use their cell phone...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 9:27 AM, Dave > wrote:

Someone needs to reach out to the yahoos concerned with
elevators that HAVE TO HAVE a quote "Hardline".
I think we are in the 21st century and hard-lines I would
think are about gone.
A company in town here had an issue getting a hardline from
ATT for their elevator. They paid out the waazoo to get one just
to satisfy safety requirements on the elevator... wTF.
A reliable internet service would satisfy this I am sure with
certain caveats in place IE UPS Backup when power fails for
demarc in the building.


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[AFMUG] Siklu Multihaul PTMP 60 ghz

2017-02-23 Thread Gino Villarini

https://www.siklu.com/portfolio-posts/multihaul-point-to-multi-point/




Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

2017-02-23 Thread Josh Reynolds

How do you think that call gets from Verizon to AT over that hardline
exactly?

On Feb 23, 2017 8:37 AM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

> Internet is far more complicated than a pair of copper wires.  I can see
> where they're coming from.
>
> Having said that...who the hell wouldn't use their cell phone...
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 9:27 AM, Dave  wrote:
>
>> Someone needs to reach out to the yahoos concerned with elevators that
>> HAVE TO HAVE a quote "Hardline".
>> I think we are in the 21st century and hard-lines I would think are about
>> gone.
>> A company in town here had an issue getting a hardline from ATT for their
>> elevator. They paid out the waazoo to get one just
>> to satisfy safety requirements on the elevator... wTF.
>> A reliable internet service would satisfy this I am sure with certain
>> caveats in place IE UPS Backup when power fails for demarc in the building.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

Need to check with your local ordinances... 

In many places, folks are under a mis-impression that a hard line is 
required... (they confuse it with a dedicated line) 

We have clients that have voip phone line for the elevator. (using an ATA). 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Dave" 
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:27:28 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

> Someone needs to reach out to the yahoos concerned with elevators that HAVE TO
> HAVE a quote "Hardline".
> I think we are in the 21st century and hard-lines I would think are about 
> gone.
> A company in town here had an issue getting a hardline from ATT for their
> elevator. They paid out the waazoo to get one just
> to satisfy safety requirements on the elevator... wTF.
> A reliable internet service would satisfy this I am sure with certain caveats 
> in
> place IE UPS Backup when power fails for demarc in the building.

> --

Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

2017-02-23 Thread Josh Luthman

Internet is far more complicated than a pair of copper wires.  I can see
where they're coming from.

Having said that...who the hell wouldn't use their cell phone...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 9:27 AM, Dave  wrote:

> Someone needs to reach out to the yahoos concerned with elevators that
> HAVE TO HAVE a quote "Hardline".
> I think we are in the 21st century and hard-lines I would think are about
> gone.
> A company in town here had an issue getting a hardline from ATT for their
> elevator. They paid out the waazoo to get one just
> to satisfy safety requirements on the elevator... wTF.
> A reliable internet service would satisfy this I am sure with certain
> caveats in place IE UPS Backup when power fails for demarc in the building.
>
>
> --
>

Re: [AFMUG] form 477 filing

2017-02-23 Thread Dave


Exactly, I already filed so I dont know why I got another notice LOL


On 02/23/2017 08:18 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Seven minutes after I get an e-mail from the FCC reminding me to file.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Dave" 
*To: *"Animal Farm" 
*Sent: *Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:17:55 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] form 477 filing

seems the filing interface is offline till further notice so hopefully 
its back up before march 1st :)


  https://apps2.fcc.gov/form477/login.xhtml

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[AFMUG] Elevator phone lines

2017-02-23 Thread Dave

Someone needs to reach out to the yahoos concerned with elevators that 
HAVE TO HAVE a quote "Hardline".
I think we are in the 21st century and hard-lines I would think are 
about gone.
A company in town here had an issue getting a hardline from ATT for 
their elevator. They paid out the waazoo to get one just

to satisfy safety requirements on the elevator... wTF.
A reliable internet service would satisfy this I am sure with certain 
caveats in place IE UPS Backup when power fails for demarc in the building.



--

Re: [AFMUG] form 477 filing

Seven minutes after I get an e-mail from the FCC reminding me to file. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Dave"  
To: "Animal Farm"  
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:17:55 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] form 477 filing 

seems the filing interface is offline till further notice so hopefully its back 
up before march 1st :) 

https://apps2.fcc.gov/form477/login.xhtml 

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[AFMUG] form 477 filing

2017-02-23 Thread Dave

seems the filing interface is offline till further notice so hopefully 
its back up before march 1st :)


 https://apps2.fcc.gov/form477/login.xhtml


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Re: [AFMUG] 5G

2017-02-23 Thread Gino Villarini

Not really

https://www.telegeography.com/products/commsupdate/articles/2017/02/23/sprint-ericsson-to-demo-gigabit-data-speeds-over-td-lte/?utm_source=CommsUpdate_campaign=842ec531cf-CommsUpdate+23+February+2017_medium=email_term=0_0688983330-842ec531cf-8827113

From: Af > on behalf of Jason 
McKemie 
>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 12:30 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5G

In a lab with unlimited spectrum maybe. It will be a fraction of this in all 
reality. They could get closer with millimeter wave, but that's a different 
animal entirely.

On Wednesday, February 22, 2017, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
Check this out
http://www.fiercewireless.com/special-report/gigabit-keeps-lte-fast-lane?mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiWlRrMFkySTJObVU0TkRSbCIsInQiOiJCRytrXC9IdU92c3NISUVUOVBIOGJaMXNDZnN1aklXUUZ1VXJXQmFYS0NzdU1kdmhVWTFBSFIwNDRcL0MzRERkNTlVSEJEUE9oM3RuVkttWFJRanE5ZUV2SHg3cFhPdERtZllVTVlwb3E4YlJkRDFtQ1ZoZHhIZzMyRTduRFR0V1IzIn0%3D

Gino Villarini

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Feb 22, 2017 7:53 AM, "Jason McKemie" 
>
 wrote:
5G. 5th generation? 5 GHz? 5 Gigawatts? This term is much more in the ether 
than something like LTE. The cell companies hyped up the marketing to the point 
where it lost the original meaning.

On Wednesday, February 22, 2017, Gino Villarini 
> wrote:
I think its a marketing play with hyped terms that not necessary follow what 5G 
really menas and its deceptive.

Might as well call your service LTE… it provides broadband wirelessly…

From: Af  on behalf of Jason McKemie 

Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 at 9:06 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5G

I don't see anything wrong with Mimosa calling their stuff 5G. They should have 
gone ahead and called it 6G, it's effectively faster than the cell companies' 
version of 5G...

On Wednesday, February 22, 2017, Gino Villarini  wrote:
Yeah, no problem with that, but how do you call that 5G?

From: Af  on behalf of Rory Conaway 

Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 8:40 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5G

Gino, the GPS software does work.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David Milholen
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 5:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5G

That sounds like a WIFI company we have here boasting the most BS I have seen 
in a while. So, happy to get sloppy seconds after customer had their fill .

Gino Villarini

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Gino Villarini

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On 2/21/2017 12:38 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
The average consumer has no clue what any of the following terms mean, despite 
spending a lot of money on them:

WiFi, 4G, 5G, LTE, modem, router, satellite, server

And the industry is happy to keep them stupid, for example defining “unlimited” 
as “throttled after 22 GB”.  The latest I saw is Qualcomm wanting people to 
think their phones will soon have gigabit download speeds.  Mobile carriers of 
course don’t sell speed plans, they sell data plans, and manufacturers like 
Qualcomm conflate sector capacity with end user speed.  As well as neglecting 
to explain that all that unlicensed spectrum will only be used for urban small 
cells, not the celltower 5 miles from your house in the country.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/02/qualcomms-new-lte-modem-will-make-gigabit-download-speeds-easier-to-hit/

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 12:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5G

Ouch…

From: Af  on behalf of Stefan Englhardt 
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 1:49 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: [AFMUG] 5G

Now the first wifi is called 5G. And who is the marketing winner: mimosa.
But of course air-„fiber“ is not bad, too.

Both companies should move some sales guys to the engineering staff to make 
their
Ptmp wifi gear gps work before claiming the

Re: [AFMUG] does anyone make a system that lets you do internet over existing rg-6 cable