date:20170921

Re: [AFMUG] My system isolated this email

2017-09-21 Thread Mathew Howard

Good point. Now I feel bad about not clicking the link...

On Sep 21, 2017 9:31 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

> you guys know that this is just some poor guy trying to make a living,
> youre taking food right out of his childrens mouths by not following through
>
> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 9:25 PM, Robert  wrote:
>
>> I put in my mother's maiden name and ssn...
>>
>> On 9/21/17 6:56 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>
>>> So you filled it out, right? :p
>>>
>>> On Sep 21, 2017 8:41 PM, "Robert" >> i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I clicked on the link, it wasn't anything but a simple query about
>>> ssn numbers...
>>>
>>> On 9/21/17 6:38 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Yup
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>>
>>> - Reply message -
>>> From: "Jaime Solorza" >> >
>>> To: "Animal Farm" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] My system isolated this email
>>> Date: Thu, Sep 21, 2017 8:24 PM
>>>
>>> Here is a screenshot...did anyone else get this?
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT :Silence From Arecibo After Hurricane Maria Hit - The Atlantic

2017-09-21 Thread Jaime Solorza

Yes.  Used by oil and gas folks

On Sep 21, 2017 8:31 PM, "Eric Kuhnke"  wrote:

> Iridium SBD data functionality (different thing than voice service, very
> short message sizes) is extremely useful for all sorts of SCADA. It's very
> easy to develop software and scripts for because you can talk to the SBD
> modem with a standard AT comment set from a command line, interactively
> while doing development, and then use the same technique having a piece of
> equipment talk to it in an automated fashion with AT commands at 96008N1.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 7:13 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes. That is a useful tool...many of my SCADA clients have them for
>> emergencies
>>
>> On Sep 21, 2017 8:07 PM, "Eric Kuhnke"  wrote:
>>
>>> In a massive disaster or humanitarian relief situation, a satellite
>>> phone is also a useful thing for an organization's emergency kit. An
>>> Iridium handheld is not dependent on anything local to function and
>>> requires a lot less power than a ham radio setup (can be charged from a 10W
>>> to 20W sized folding solar panel, by USB interface). The LEO
>>> satellite-to-satellite ka band trunk network architecture of Iridium is not
>>> dependent on anything in your region functioning except your phone.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 7:02 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Two years ago I addressed the amateur radio networks exclusion from
 First Net vision.  Ham radio and short wave is being used in Puerto Rico
 right now as cellular networks are mostly down.

 On Sep 21, 2017 7:44 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
 wrote:

> Short wave radio is used in Puerto Rico
>
>
> https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/09/arecibo-
> hurricane-maria/540600/?google_editors_picks=true
>

>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT :Silence From Arecibo After Hurricane Maria Hit - The Atlantic

2017-09-21 Thread Eric Kuhnke

Iridium SBD data functionality (different thing than voice service, very
short message sizes) is extremely useful for all sorts of SCADA. It's very
easy to develop software and scripts for because you can talk to the SBD
modem with a standard AT comment set from a command line, interactively
while doing development, and then use the same technique having a piece of
equipment talk to it in an automated fashion with AT commands at 96008N1.

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 7:13 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Yes. That is a useful tool...many of my SCADA clients have them for
> emergencies
>
> On Sep 21, 2017 8:07 PM, "Eric Kuhnke"  wrote:
>
>> In a massive disaster or humanitarian relief situation, a satellite phone
>> is also a useful thing for an organization's emergency kit. An Iridium
>> handheld is not dependent on anything local to function and requires a lot
>> less power than a ham radio setup (can be charged from a 10W to 20W sized
>> folding solar panel, by USB interface). The LEO satellite-to-satellite ka
>> band trunk network architecture of Iridium is not dependent on anything in
>> your region functioning except your phone.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 7:02 PM, Jaime Solorza > > wrote:
>>
>>> Two years ago I addressed the amateur radio networks exclusion from
>>> First Net vision.  Ham radio and short wave is being used in Puerto Rico
>>> right now as cellular networks are mostly down.
>>>
>>> On Sep 21, 2017 7:44 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Short wave radio is used in Puerto Rico

 https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/09/arecibo-
 hurricane-maria/540600/?google_editors_picks=true

>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] My system isolated this email

2017-09-21 Thread Steve Jones

you guys know that this is just some poor guy trying to make a living,
youre taking food right out of his childrens mouths by not following through

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 9:25 PM, Robert  wrote:

> I put in my mother's maiden name and ssn...
>
> On 9/21/17 6:56 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
>> So you filled it out, right? :p
>>
>> On Sep 21, 2017 8:41 PM, "Robert" > i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I clicked on the link, it wasn't anything but a simple query about
>> ssn numbers...
>>
>> On 9/21/17 6:38 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>>
>>
>> Yup
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>
>> - Reply message -
>> From: "Jaime Solorza" > >
>> To: "Animal Farm" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
>> Subject: [AFMUG] My system isolated this email
>> Date: Thu, Sep 21, 2017 8:24 PM
>>
>> Here is a screenshot...did anyone else get this?
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] My system isolated this email

2017-09-21 Thread Robert


I put in my mother's maiden name and ssn...

On 9/21/17 6:56 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

So you filled it out, right? :p

On Sep 21, 2017 8:41 PM, "Robert" > wrote:


I clicked on the link, it wasn't anything but a simple query about
ssn numbers...

On 9/21/17 6:38 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:


Yup

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Jaime Solorza" mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
To: "Animal Farm" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] My system isolated this email
Date: Thu, Sep 21, 2017 8:24 PM

Here is a screenshot...did anyone else get this?

Re: [AFMUG] OT :Silence From Arecibo After Hurricane Maria Hit - The Atlantic

2017-09-21 Thread Jaime Solorza

Yes. That is a useful tool...many of my SCADA clients have them for
emergencies

On Sep 21, 2017 8:07 PM, "Eric Kuhnke"  wrote:

> In a massive disaster or humanitarian relief situation, a satellite phone
> is also a useful thing for an organization's emergency kit. An Iridium
> handheld is not dependent on anything local to function and requires a lot
> less power than a ham radio setup (can be charged from a 10W to 20W sized
> folding solar panel, by USB interface). The LEO satellite-to-satellite ka
> band trunk network architecture of Iridium is not dependent on anything in
> your region functioning except your phone.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 7:02 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Two years ago I addressed the amateur radio networks exclusion from First
>> Net vision.  Ham radio and short wave is being used in Puerto Rico right
>> now as cellular networks are mostly down.
>>
>> On Sep 21, 2017 7:44 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Short wave radio is used in Puerto Rico
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/09/arecibo-
>>> hurricane-maria/540600/?google_editors_picks=true
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] LTE (baicells) path propagation tools

2017-09-21 Thread Steve Jones

yeah, I see that, looking at the software that's out there.

I think technology has surpassed the efficacy of freeware

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 7:52 PM, Joe Novak  wrote:

> Can you adjust link planner for RX on the client side?
>
> For tower coverage we are modeling successful at a -70 and fringe at a
> -80. We don't do installs much worse then a -100 RSRP (around -70 RSSI). It
> seems to be doing okay... but it's hard to model otherwise without spending
> loads of cash on something that specializes in modeling LTE.
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 4:47 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> we are looking to deploy this. stuff but would like to profile against
>> existing cutovers. is there something as accurate as linkplanner?
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT :Silence From Arecibo After Hurricane Maria Hit - The Atlantic

2017-09-21 Thread Eric Kuhnke

In a massive disaster or humanitarian relief situation, a satellite phone
is also a useful thing for an organization's emergency kit. An Iridium
handheld is not dependent on anything local to function and requires a lot
less power than a ham radio setup (can be charged from a 10W to 20W sized
folding solar panel, by USB interface). The LEO satellite-to-satellite ka
band trunk network architecture of Iridium is not dependent on anything in
your region functioning except your phone.

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 7:02 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Two years ago I addressed the amateur radio networks exclusion from First
> Net vision.  Ham radio and short wave is being used in Puerto Rico right
> now as cellular networks are mostly down.
>
> On Sep 21, 2017 7:44 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> Short wave radio is used in Puerto Rico
>>
>>
>> https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/09/arecibo-
>> hurricane-maria/540600/?google_editors_picks=true
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT :Silence From Arecibo After Hurricane Maria Hit - The Atlantic

2017-09-21 Thread Jaime Solorza

Two years ago I addressed the amateur radio networks exclusion from First
Net vision.  Ham radio and short wave is being used in Puerto Rico right
now as cellular networks are mostly down.

On Sep 21, 2017 7:44 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Short wave radio is used in Puerto Rico
>
>
> https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/09/
> arecibo-hurricane-maria/540600/?google_editors_picks=true
>

Re: [AFMUG] My system isolated this email

2017-09-21 Thread Jaime Solorza

Ha ..I didn't open it...I deleted it roughly

On Sep 21, 2017 7:56 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:

> So you filled it out, right? :p
>
> On Sep 21, 2017 8:41 PM, "Robert"  wrote:
>
>> I clicked on the link, it wasn't anything but a simple query about ssn
>> numbers...
>>
>> On 9/21/17 6:38 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Yup
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>>
>>> - Reply message -
>>> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> To: "Animal Farm" 
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] My system isolated this email
>>> Date: Thu, Sep 21, 2017 8:24 PM
>>>
>>> Here is a screenshot...did anyone else get this?
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] My system isolated this email

2017-09-21 Thread Mathew Howard

So you filled it out, right? :p

On Sep 21, 2017 8:41 PM, "Robert"  wrote:

> I clicked on the link, it wasn't anything but a simple query about ssn
> numbers...
>
> On 9/21/17 6:38 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>
>>
>> Yup
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>
>> - Reply message -
>> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
>> To: "Animal Farm" 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] My system isolated this email
>> Date: Thu, Sep 21, 2017 8:24 PM
>>
>> Here is a screenshot...did anyone else get this?
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] My system isolated this email

2017-09-21 Thread Jaime Solorza

So list got hacked or affected somehow?

On Sep 21, 2017 7:41 PM, "Robert"  wrote:

> I clicked on the link, it wasn't anything but a simple query about ssn
> numbers...
>
> On 9/21/17 6:38 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>
>>
>> Yup
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>
>> - Reply message -
>> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
>> To: "Animal Farm" 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] My system isolated this email
>> Date: Thu, Sep 21, 2017 8:24 PM
>>
>> Here is a screenshot...did anyone else get this?
>>
>

[AFMUG] OT :Silence From Arecibo After Hurricane Maria Hit - The Atlantic

2017-09-21 Thread Jaime Solorza

Short wave radio is used in Puerto Rico


https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/09/arecibo-hurricane-maria/540600/?google_editors_picks=true

Re: [AFMUG] My system isolated this email

2017-09-21 Thread Robert

I clicked on the link, it wasn't anything but a simple query about ssn 
numbers...


On 9/21/17 6:38 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:


Yup

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Subject: [AFMUG] My system isolated this email
Date: Thu, Sep 21, 2017 8:24 PM

Here is a screenshot...did anyone else get this?

Re: [AFMUG] My system isolated this email

2017-09-21 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller

Yup 

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Subject: [AFMUG] My system isolated this email
Date: Thu, Sep 21, 2017 8:24 PM

Here is a screenshot...did anyone else get this?

Re: [AFMUG] My system isolated this email

2017-09-21 Thread David Coudron

Yes, that came through on our system too.

David Coudron
david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 
612-991-7474

Advantenon, Inc. [cid:image001.png@01CEE562.60FF8FC0] 
   
[cid:image002.png@01CEE562.60FF8FC0]    
[cid:image003.png@01CEE562.60FF8FC0]    
[cid:image004.png@01CEE562.60FF8FC0] 
i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, 
Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447  |  
www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  
Local: 612-454-1545

[cid:image010.jpg@01D33319.6939F000]

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 8:24 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] My system isolated this email

Here is a screenshot...did anyone else get this?

[AFMUG] My system isolated this email

2017-09-21 Thread Jaime Solorza

Here is a screenshot...did anyone else get this?

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for Triton or other 120 or 100 ft. SSV tower - New or Used

2017-09-21 Thread Jaime Solorza

Used depends where you get from.  I would not buy a used tower from coastal
areas for example or high rain average ...

On Sep 21, 2017 6:27 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> I prefer Sabre as they go together better. For that height I don't think
> it matters much. I think Nello is closer to you and they are ok as well.
>
> Use is ok as long as they come with new bolts.
>
> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017, 12:22 PM George Skorup 
> wrote:
>
>> On the ground in Ft. Myers:
>>
>> http://usedtowers.com/product/140-ssv-rohn-self-supporting-tower/
>> or
>> http://usedtowers.com/product/140-ssv-rohn-self-supporting-tower-2/
>>
>> On 9/21/2017 12:08 PM, Paul McCall wrote:
>>
>> We have never built a Self-support tower.ï¿½ I have heard Triton is
>> pretty good, but am open to others new or used.ï¿½ ï¿½I need to build
>> something immediately.
>>
>> ï¿½
>>
>> Any suggestions or opinions?
>>
>> ï¿½
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> ï¿½
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> ï¿½
>>
>> ï¿½
>>
>> ï¿½
>>
>> Paul McCall, President
>>
>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>> 
>>
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>> 
>>
>> 772
>> -564-6800ï¿½
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>> 
>>
>> www.pdmnet.com
>>
>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>
>> ï¿½
>>
>> ï¿½
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] LTE (baicells) path propagation tools

2017-09-21 Thread Joe Novak

Can you adjust link planner for RX on the client side?

For tower coverage we are modeling successful at a -70 and fringe at a -80.
We don't do installs much worse then a -100 RSRP (around -70 RSSI). It
seems to be doing okay... but it's hard to model otherwise without spending
loads of cash on something that specializes in modeling LTE.

Joe

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 4:47 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> we are looking to deploy this. stuff but would like to profile against
> existing cutovers. is there something as accurate as linkplanner?
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 5ghz AP possible case water intrusion

2017-09-21 Thread Mark Radabaugh

We have seen a number of them.  Usually where the gortex vent cloth wasn’t 
centered in the hole, or the retaining ring wasn’t fully staked in.   I usually 
plug the vent with mastic and leave out the plug in the timing port grommet.

Mark


> On Sep 21, 2017, at 8:40 PM, Roland Houin  wrote:
> 
> yes, we've had a few..
> 
> roland
> 
> 
>> I'm investigating a PMP450 5ghz AP (old unit - the original ones that came
> with the FSK port) that failed on the tower. RJ45 and especially RJ12 ports
> have white dots on the pins. Looking in the case, there seems to be evidence 
> of
> water intrusion coming from the little temperature/humidity control
> membrane-covered hole in back. But a quick test of dripping water on the case
> does not cause water intrusion in that hole. Has anyone else seen such issues
> with older PMP450 APs? <
>

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 5ghz AP possible case water intrusion

2017-09-21 Thread Roland Houin

yes, we've had a few..

roland


> I'm investigating a PMP450 5ghz AP (old unit - the original ones that came
with the FSK port) that failed on the tower. RJ45 and especially RJ12 ports
have white dots on the pins. Looking in the case, there seems to be evidence of
water intrusion coming from the little temperature/humidity control
membrane-covered hole in back. But a quick test of dripping water on the case
does not cause water intrusion in that hole. Has anyone else seen such issues
with older PMP450 APs? <

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for Triton or other 120 or 100 ft. SSV tower - New or Used

2017-09-21 Thread Lewis Bergman

I prefer Sabre as they go together better. For that height I don't think it
matters much. I think Nello is closer to you and they are ok as well.

Use is ok as long as they come with new bolts.

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017, 12:22 PM George Skorup 
wrote:

> On the ground in Ft. Myers:
>
> http://usedtowers.com/product/140-ssv-rohn-self-supporting-tower/
> or
> http://usedtowers.com/product/140-ssv-rohn-self-supporting-tower-2/
>
> On 9/21/2017 12:08 PM, Paul McCall wrote:
>
> We have never built a Self-support tower.ï¿½ I have heard Triton is pretty
> good, but am open to others new or used.ï¿½ ï¿½I need to build something
> immediately.
>
> ï¿½
>
> Any suggestions or opinions?
>
> ï¿½
>
> Thanks!
>
> ï¿½
>
> Paul
>
> ï¿½
>
> ï¿½
>
> ï¿½
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
> 
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
> 
>
> 772
> -564-6800ï¿½
>
>
> 
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> 
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
> ï¿½
>
> ï¿½
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Latest Control Panel

2017-09-21 Thread Jaime Solorza

Thanks.  It's a team effort

On Sep 21, 2017 4:16 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> This will be the master control panel for the solar powered ones I shared
> the other day... the transformer on bottom right will convert 480 down to
> 120.   I also tested solar panel set up to insure Ubiquiti radio and fan
> worked properly.
>

Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera

2017-09-21 Thread Matt Baer

Halloween will be one year without Hardy boy :-(

On Sep 21, 2017 6:51 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> O, now that makes much more sense.  I was told that I was white and
> pasty like a saltine.
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 21, 2017 5:04 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera
>
> I think the term refers more to whip cracker than saltine cracker...
>
> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> When I moved to Illinois in 1990, I heard someone being called a cracker
>> for the first time.  Had no clue as to what it meant.  I still think it is
>> a funny supposedly disparaging term.  White Trailer Trash is much more
>> demeaning to me.
>>
>> Which would you rather be, a saltine
>> or
>>
>> have an unmowed front yard, wheel-less cars up on chunks of firewood,
>> bare footed- pregnant- crack toothed wife smoking a cigarette- with a baby
>> on her hip and a beer bottle in the non smoking hand.  Of course you are
>> wearing the AC/DC wife beater, with your mullet.  Someone is exclaiming
>> “birds is magic”
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 21, 2017 2:16 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera
>>
>>
>> you white cracker...i mean white collar criminal. :)
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 21, 2017 3:11 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera
>>
>> I thought they were like pharmabros or something
>>
>> but ill get in on this with Jay if they need guys, I wont do anything but
>> drink and take the rap for any questionable dealings, I mean lets be real
>> here, I'm going to prison eventually anyway, why not make some phat cash
>> along the way and maybe end up in a cushy fed joint
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> I thought it was only about a year.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, September 21, 2017 2:43:00 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera
>>>
>>>
>>> Hasn't been for about two years.
>>>
>>> On Sep 21, 2017, at 15:39, George Skorup 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> So is Matt Hardy not at UBNT anymore?
>>>
>>> On 9/21/2017 1:37 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>>>
>>> ï¿½
>>> "ï¿½Ubiquiti has a bare-bones organizational structure, thatï¿½s key,
>>> so a lot of the red flags are coming from that point,ï¿½ Kundozerov said.
>>> ï¿½They donï¿½t have enough people, but that doesnï¿½t make them a
>>> fraud.ï¿½"
>>> ï¿½
>>> http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquiti-shares-hammered-by
>>> -citron-fraud-claim-that-contains-little-new-evidence-2017-09-18
>>> ï¿½
>>> HEY GUYS!
>>> ï¿½
>>> The talking heads are saying you need more staff
>>> ï¿½
>>> We know everyone in the industry loves me and knows me.ï¿½ Make you a
>>> deal right now.ï¿½ double my salary and buy me a condo on the gulf coast in
>>> Gulf Shores Al, and I'll come work for you :)
>>> ï¿½
>>> Let me know. :)
>>> ï¿½
>>> ï¿½
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Speed Tests

2017-09-21 Thread Josh Reynolds

Most embedded cards are terrible. You'll want like a real Intel, chelsio,
etc NIC.

On Sep 21, 2017 3:22 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
wrote:

>
> from the office pc, i get 439 meg down and 638 up from a public speed test
> server about 60 miles away.
> we have a one gig connection.  is this what i should expect?
>
> of course during non peak we're moving 150-200 meg
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Chuck McCown 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 21, 2017 9:06 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Speed Tests
>
> These are great.  We may have other problems we don’t know about.
>
> *From:* Sterling Jacobson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 20, 2017 8:57 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Speed Tests
>
>
> Not sure if these attachments are going to come through, but here are my
> results tonight to my own speedtest.net server.
>
>
>
> The slower one is from Chrome, the faster is from Edge.
>
>
>
> Really can be a big difference in what browser (even version of browser)
> you are using…
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Utick
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 20, 2017 7:40 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Speed Tests
>
>
>
> This is from my laptop, wired into our switch a couple of hops away from
> our speedtest server.  The server is behind a Cisco ASA firewall to boot.
> Laptop is a good i7 laptop.  So, it is very possible to do a gig with a
> single computer.
>
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 2:28 PM, Al Rachide  wrote:
>
> We did a speed test on a full GIG DIA fiber line. It took THREE computers
> simultaneously, two with I5s and one with an I7 processor. All 3 had
> gigabit internet cards. We did indeed get a totwl throughput of 997mbit
> down and 1003mbit up. But that was the combined total of all 3 computers
> running the speed test at the same time. We think the reality is that any
> one computer, no matter how powerful, can actually send or receive 1000mbit
> speed.  Al
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 3:38 PM,  wrote:
>
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>
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 14:22:53 -0500
> From: Steve Jones 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hold on Gino
> Message-ID:
>  in7flb6frpi...@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> their power is like 80 or more percent out
>
> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 1:43 PM, Zach Underwood 
> wrote:
>
> > Also looks like his backbone is still online
> >
> > https://stat.ripe.net/14979#tabId=routing
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 2:39 PM, Zach Underwood 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> More than half of the prefix from PR are offline
> >> https://stat.ripe.net/PR#tabId=routing
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 2:28 PM, SmarterBroadband 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Maria must have be giving you hell.
> >>>
> >>> No power on the island!!!
> >>>
> >>> Hold on and Good luck.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)
> >> My website 
> >> advance-networking.com
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)
> > My website 
> > advance-networking.com
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 13:34:36 -0600
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Speedtests
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hard to find an app or appliance that will reliably show a customer the
> speed they are getting when it is above 100 Mbps.  We have increasingly
> more 250, 500 and 1G customers and when they complain that speed test shows
> a lower number I need something to prove them wrong.  An average laptop
> does not cut it.
>
> We have installed our own speedtest server with the ookla recommended
> hardware etc.  But it takes a pretty good computer that actually show a
> gig.  Ditto iperf.  Be nice if there was some kind of handheld device that
> could do this.   There are all kinds of hand held computers designed to
> roll your own piece of test or control gear.  Just not sure what is
> important.
>
> CPU speed
> Memory size
> PHY circuit
> Memory type
>
> I guess I should ask this que

Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera

2017-09-21 Thread Chuck McCown

O, now that makes much more sense.  I was told that I was white and pasty 
like a saltine.  

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 5:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera

I think the term refers more to whip cracker than saltine cracker...

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  When I moved to Illinois in 1990, I heard someone being called a cracker for 
the first time.  Had no clue as to what it meant.  I still think it is a funny 
supposedly disparaging term.  White Trailer Trash is much more demeaning to me. 

  Which would you rather be, a saltine 
  or 

  have an unmowed front yard, wheel-less cars up on chunks of firewood, bare 
footed- pregnant- crack toothed wife smoking a cigarette- with a baby on her 
hip and a beer bottle in the non smoking hand.  Of course you are wearing the 
AC/DC wife beater, with your mullet.  Someone is exclaiming “birds is magic”

  From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
  Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 2:16 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera

  you white cracker...i mean white collar criminal. :)

- Original Message - 
From: Steve Jones 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera

I thought they were like pharmabros or something

but ill get in on this with Jay if they need guys, I wont do anything but 
drink and take the rap for any questionable dealings, I mean lets be real here, 
I'm going to prison eventually anyway, why not make some phat cash along the 
way and maybe end up in a cushy fed joint

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

  I thought it was only about a year.

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

--

  From: "Matt Hoppes" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 2:43:00 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera 

  Hasn't been for about two years. 

  On Sep 21, 2017, at 15:39, George Skorup  wrote:

So is Matt Hardy not at UBNT anymore?

On 9/21/2017 1:37 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

  ï¿½
  "ï¿½Ubiquiti has a bare-bones organizational structure, thatï¿½s key, 
so a lot of the red flags are coming from that point,ï¿½ Kundozerov said. 
ï¿½They donï¿½t have enough people, but that doesnï¿½t make them a fraud.ï¿½"
  ï¿½

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquiti-shares-hammered-by-citron-fraud-claim-that-contains-little-new-evidence-2017-09-18
  ï¿½
  HEY GUYS!
  ï¿½
  The talking heads are saying you need more staff
  ï¿½
  We know everyone in the industry loves me and knows me.ï¿½ Make you a 
deal right now.ï¿½ double my salary and buy me a condo on the gulf coast in 
Gulf Shores Al, and I'll come work for you :)
  ï¿½
  Let me know. :)
  ï¿½
  ï¿½

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 5ghz AP possible case water intrusion

2017-09-21 Thread George Skorup

I've seen some that most certainly let water in through the gore vent. 
One such instance was rain blowing sideways for 20 minutes in a bad 
storm. That probably occurred because the radio was a little over 2 
years old and the coating on the gore patch thing was gone. Basically 
just some mesh stuff left. At least it kept the bugs out. And others 
with covers that apparently weren't sealing right from the factory. Bad 
machining I think on those. Another where a stud wasn't inserted into 
the cover all the way. I took it apart and let it dry out and pushed the 
stud in carefully with a C clamp on the bench.


Other than that, if it's not obvious how water got into a particular 
radio, then I don't know.


On 9/21/2017 4:23 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:
I'm investigating a PMP450 5ghz AP (old unit - the original ones that 
came with the FSK port) that failed on the tower.  RJ45 and especially 
RJ12 ports have white dots on the pins.  Looking in the case, there 
seems to be evidence of water intrusion coming from the little 
temperature/humidity control membrane-covered hole in back. But a 
quick test of dripping water on the case does not cause water 
intrusion in that hole. Has anyone else seen such issues with older 
PMP450 APs?

Re: [AFMUG] Puerto Rico..

2017-09-21 Thread Mathew Howard

Gino said before the last hurricane went through, that the power grid there
is almost entirely aerial, so I imagine getting that back up could take
quite a long time, even if the generating plants are fine.

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 5:50 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  wrote:

>
> Are there issues with the generating plants themselves or just the grid, i
> wonder?
> haven't watched much coverage lately
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Robert 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 21, 2017 5:49 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Puerto Rico..
>
> And the gas to the generators hasn't run out, might get worse before it
> gets better...
>
> On 9/21/17 10:57 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
> >
> >
> > https://stat.ripe.net/PR#tabId=routing
> >
> > Out of 47 ASN's only 24 are online
> >
> > Not pretty !
> >
> >
> > Faisal Imtiaz
> > Snappy Internet & Telecom
> > 7266 SW 48 Street
> 
> > Miami, FL 33155
> 
> > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> >
> > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
> >
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera

2017-09-21 Thread Jason McKemie

I think the term refers more to whip cracker than saltine cracker...

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> When I moved to Illinois in 1990, I heard someone being called a cracker
> for the first time.  Had no clue as to what it meant.  I still think it is
> a funny supposedly disparaging term.  White Trailer Trash is much more
> demeaning to me.
>
> Which would you rather be, a saltine
> or
>
> have an unmowed front yard, wheel-less cars up on chunks of firewood, bare
> footed- pregnant- crack toothed wife smoking a cigarette- with a baby on
> her hip and a beer bottle in the non smoking hand.  Of course you are
> wearing the AC/DC wife beater, with your mullet.  Someone is exclaiming
> “birds is magic”
>
>
>
> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 21, 2017 2:16 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera
>
>
> you white cracker...i mean white collar criminal. :)
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 21, 2017 3:11 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera
>
> I thought they were like pharmabros or something
>
> but ill get in on this with Jay if they need guys, I wont do anything but
> drink and take the rap for any questionable dealings, I mean lets be real
> here, I'm going to prison eventually anyway, why not make some phat cash
> along the way and maybe end up in a cushy fed joint
>
> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> I thought it was only about a year.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, September 21, 2017 2:43:00 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera
>>
>>
>> Hasn't been for about two years.
>>
>> On Sep 21, 2017, at 15:39, George Skorup 
>> wrote:
>>
>> So is Matt Hardy not at UBNT anymore?
>>
>> On 9/21/2017 1:37 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>>
>> ï¿½
>> "ï¿½Ubiquiti has a bare-bones organizational structure, thatï¿½s key, so
>> a lot of the red flags are coming from that point,ï¿½ Kundozerov said.
>> ï¿½They donï¿½t have enough people, but that doesnï¿½t make them a
>> fraud.ï¿½"
>> ï¿½
>> http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquiti-shares-hammered-
>> by-citron-fraud-claim-that-contains-little-new-evidence-2017-09-18
>> ï¿½
>> HEY GUYS!
>> ï¿½
>> The talking heads are saying you need more staff
>> ï¿½
>> We know everyone in the industry loves me and knows me.ï¿½ Make you a
>> deal right now.ï¿½ double my salary and buy me a condo on the gulf coast in
>> Gulf Shores Al, and I'll come work for you :)
>> ï¿½
>> Let me know. :)
>> ï¿½
>> ï¿½
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Puerto Rico..

2017-09-21 Thread Jason McKemie

A friend of mine's mother-in-law lives there and they have been hearing
power could be out for months in some areas - depending on the condition of
power generation facilities.  I'm sure Gino could give a better idea when
he's not busy, which might be a while.

I was just looking at some footage of the Malecon in Esperanza, Vieques -
it looks devastated.  Very sad, such a beautiful place.

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> They've been saying on the news that power is out on almost the entire
> island, so that's not too surprising. Definitely not pretty.
>
> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 12:57 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> https://stat.ripe.net/PR#tabId=routing
>>
>> Out of 47 ASN's only 24 are online
>>
>> Not pretty !
>>
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> 
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Puerto Rico..

2017-09-21 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller


Are there issues with the generating plants themselves or just the grid, i 
wonder?
haven't watched much coverage lately

  - Original Message - 
  From: Robert 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 5:49 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Puerto Rico..


  And the gas to the generators hasn't run out, might get worse before it 
  gets better...

  On 9/21/17 10:57 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
  > 
  > 
  > https://stat.ripe.net/PR#tabId=routing
  > 
  > Out of 47 ASN's only 24 are online
  > 
  > Not pretty !
  > 
  > 
  > Faisal Imtiaz
  > Snappy Internet & Telecom
  > 7266 SW 48 Street
  > Miami, FL 33155
  > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
  > 
  > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
  >

Re: [AFMUG] Puerto Rico..

2017-09-21 Thread Robert

And the gas to the generators hasn't run out, might get worse before it 
gets better...


On 9/21/17 10:57 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:



https://stat.ripe.net/PR#tabId=routing

Out of 47 ASN's only 24 are online

Not pretty !


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

Re: [AFMUG] Latest Control Panel

2017-09-21 Thread can...@believewireless.net

Amazing work.

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 6:15 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> This will be the master control panel for the solar powered ones I shared
> the other day... the transformer on bottom right will convert 480 down to
> 120.   I also tested solar panel set up to insure Ubiquiti radio and fan
> worked properly.
>

Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera

2017-09-21 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller

I am negotiable Ben, lets talk !  :)

lol

  - Original Message - 
  From: Ben Moore 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 5:11 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera

  Nice Jay!  How about a place in Hawaii instead? ;)

  Funny thing about hires...We have grown and are continuing to grow.  Hiring 
at pretty quick pace.  

  On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

Well, apparently they just need more people for looks anyway, since they 
seem to be able to run the place fine with what they have, so you sound like 
the ideal employee! 

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Steve Jones  
wrote:

  I thought they were like pharmabros or something

  but ill get in on this with Jay if they need guys, I wont do anything but 
drink and take the rap for any questionable dealings, I mean lets be real here, 
I'm going to prison eventually anyway, why not make some phat cash along the 
way and maybe end up in a cushy fed joint

  On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

I thought it was only about a year.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Matt Hoppes" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 2:43:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera

Hasn't been for about two years. 

On Sep 21, 2017, at 15:39, George Skorup  
wrote:

  So is Matt Hardy not at UBNT anymore?

  On 9/21/2017 1:37 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

ï¿½
"ï¿½Ubiquiti has a bare-bones organizational structure, thatï¿½s 
key, so a lot of the red flags are coming from that point,ï¿½ Kundozerov said. 
ï¿½They donï¿½t have enough people, but that doesnï¿½t make them a fraud.ï¿½"
ï¿½

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquiti-shares-hammered-by-citron-fraud-claim-that-contains-little-new-evidence-2017-09-18
ï¿½
HEY GUYS!
ï¿½
The talking heads are saying you need more staff
ï¿½
We know everyone in the industry loves me and knows me.ï¿½ Make you 
a deal right now.ï¿½ double my salary and buy me a condo on the gulf coast in 
Gulf Shores Al, and I'll come work for you :)
ï¿½
Let me know. :)
ï¿½
ï¿½

Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera

2017-09-21 Thread Ben Moore

Nice Jay!  How about a place in Hawaii instead? ;)

Funny thing about hires...We have grown and are continuing to grow.  Hiring
at pretty quick pace.

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Well, apparently they just need more people for looks anyway, since they
> seem to be able to run the place fine with what they have, so you sound
> like the ideal employee!
>
> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> I thought they were like pharmabros or something
>>
>> but ill get in on this with Jay if they need guys, I wont do anything but
>> drink and take the rap for any questionable dealings, I mean lets be real
>> here, I'm going to prison eventually anyway, why not make some phat cash
>> along the way and maybe end up in a cushy fed joint
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> I thought it was only about a year.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, September 21, 2017 2:43:00 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera
>>>
>>>
>>> Hasn't been for about two years.
>>>
>>> On Sep 21, 2017, at 15:39, George Skorup 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> So is Matt Hardy not at UBNT anymore?
>>>
>>> On 9/21/2017 1:37 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>>>
>>> ï¿½
>>> "ï¿½Ubiquiti has a bare-bones organizational structure, thatï¿½s key,
>>> so a lot of the red flags are coming from that point,ï¿½ Kundozerov said.
>>> ï¿½They donï¿½t have enough people, but that doesnï¿½t make them a
>>> fraud.ï¿½"
>>> ï¿½
>>> http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquiti-shares-hammered-by
>>> -citron-fraud-claim-that-contains-little-new-evidence-2017-09-18
>>> ï¿½
>>> HEY GUYS!
>>> ï¿½
>>> The talking heads are saying you need more staff
>>> ï¿½
>>> We know everyone in the industry loves me and knows me.ï¿½ Make you a
>>> deal right now.ï¿½ double my salary and buy me a condo on the gulf coast in
>>> Gulf Shores Al, and I'll come work for you :)
>>> ï¿½
>>> Let me know. :)
>>> ï¿½
>>> ï¿½
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] FW: donations to cover cost of the list

2017-09-21 Thread Paul McCall

lol

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 5:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FW: donations to cover cost of the list

We are only $1085 from our goal here at AFMUG, the phones are manned, and if 
you get your pledge in the next 30 minutes we will gift you this collectors 
edition of the best hits of ABBA.

From: Paul McCall
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 3:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] FW: donations to cover cost of the list

Just an update,

Donation total is now, with recent donations by: $ 915
Warren King
Mark Ackaway
Zaphod

Thank you

From: Paul McCall
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 8:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: donations to cover cost of the list

ATM,

We received donations from these people, for a total of $ 730

Colin Stanners
Chuck McCown
Cyber Broadband
Triad Wireless
One who wanted to remain anonymous
Mathew Howard

Thank you!

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] FW: donations to cover cost of the list

2017-09-21 Thread Mathew Howard

For a pledge of just $1000 it's yours!

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 4:55 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  wrote:

>
> I just want dinner at Rodizio... LOL
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Chuck McCown 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 21, 2017 4:38 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FW: donations to cover cost of the list
>
> We are only $1085 from our goal here at AFMUG, the phones are manned, and
> if you get your pledge in the next 30 minutes we will gift you this
> collectors edition of the best hits of ABBA.
>
> *From:* Paul McCall
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 21, 2017 3:36 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] FW: donations to cover cost of the list
>
>
> Just an update,
>
>
>
> Donation total is now, with recent donations by: $ 915
>
> Warren King
>
> Mark Ackaway
>
> Zaphod
>
>
>
> Thank you
>
>
>
> *From:* Paul McCall
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 16, 2017 8:17 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* donations to cover cost of the list
>
>
>
> ATM,
>
>
>
> We received donations from these people, for a total of $ 730
>
>
>
> Colin Stanners
>
> Chuck McCown
>
> Cyber Broadband
>
> Triad Wireless
>
> One who wanted to remain anonymous
>
> Mathew Howard
>
>
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
> 
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
> 
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] FW: donations to cover cost of the list

2017-09-21 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller


I just want dinner at Rodizio... LOL

  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck McCown 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 4:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FW: donations to cover cost of the list


  We are only $1085 from our goal here at AFMUG, the phones are manned, and if 
you get your pledge in the next 30 minutes we will gift you this collectors 
edition of the best hits of ABBA.

  From: Paul McCall 
  Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 3:36 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] FW: donations to cover cost of the list

  Just an update,

   

  Donation total is now, with recent donations by: $ 915

  Warren King

  Mark Ackaway

  Zaphod

   

  Thank you

   

  From: Paul McCall 
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[AFMUG] LTE (baicells) path propagation tools

2017-09-21 Thread Steve Jones

we are looking to deploy this. stuff but would like to profile against
existing cutovers. is there something as accurate as linkplanner?

Re: [AFMUG] FW: donations to cover cost of the list

2017-09-21 Thread Chuck McCown

We are only $1085 from our goal here at AFMUG, the phones are manned, and if 
you get your pledge in the next 30 minutes we will gift you this collectors 
edition of the best hits of ABBA.

From: Paul McCall 
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 3:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] FW: donations to cover cost of the list

Just an update,

 

Donation total is now, with recent donations by: $ 915

Warren King

Mark Ackaway

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Thank you

 

From: Paul McCall 
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 8:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: donations to cover cost of the list

 

ATM,

 

We received donations from these people, for a total of $ 730

 

Colin Stanners 

Chuck McCown

Cyber Broadband

Triad Wireless

One who wanted to remain anonymous 

Mathew Howard

 

Thank you!

 

 

 

 

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800  

pa...@pdmnet.net

www.pdmnet.com

www.floridabroadband.com

[AFMUG] FW: donations to cover cost of the list

2017-09-21 Thread Paul McCall

Just an update,

Donation total is now, with recent donations by: $ 915
Warren King
Mark Ackaway
Zaphod

Thank you

From: Paul McCall
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 8:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: donations to cover cost of the list

ATM,

We received donations from these people, for a total of $ 730

Colin Stanners
Chuck McCown
Cyber Broadband
Triad Wireless
One who wanted to remain anonymous
Mathew Howard

Thank you!




Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

[AFMUG] PMP450 5ghz AP possible case water intrusion

2017-09-21 Thread Colin Stanners

I'm investigating a PMP450 5ghz AP (old unit - the original ones that came
with the FSK port) that failed on the tower.  RJ45 and especially RJ12
ports have white dots on the pins.  Looking in the case, there seems to be
evidence of water intrusion coming from the little temperature/humidity
control membrane-covered hole in back. But a quick test of dripping water
on the case does not cause water intrusion in that hole.  Has anyone else
seen such issues with older PMP450 APs?

Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera

2017-09-21 Thread Mathew Howard

Well, apparently they just need more people for looks anyway, since they
seem to be able to run the place fine with what they have, so you sound
like the ideal employee!

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> I thought they were like pharmabros or something
>
> but ill get in on this with Jay if they need guys, I wont do anything but
> drink and take the rap for any questionable dealings, I mean lets be real
> here, I'm going to prison eventually anyway, why not make some phat cash
> along the way and maybe end up in a cushy fed joint
>
> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> I thought it was only about a year.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, September 21, 2017 2:43:00 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera
>>
>>
>> Hasn't been for about two years.
>>
>> On Sep 21, 2017, at 15:39, George Skorup 
>> wrote:
>>
>> So is Matt Hardy not at UBNT anymore?
>>
>> On 9/21/2017 1:37 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>>
>> ï¿½
>> "ï¿½Ubiquiti has a bare-bones organizational structure, thatï¿½s key, so
>> a lot of the red flags are coming from that point,ï¿½ Kundozerov said.
>> ï¿½They donï¿½t have enough people, but that doesnï¿½t make them a
>> fraud.ï¿½"
>> ï¿½
>> http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquiti-shares-hammered-
>> by-citron-fraud-claim-that-contains-little-new-evidence-2017-09-18
>> ï¿½
>> HEY GUYS!
>> ï¿½
>> The talking heads are saying you need more staff
>> ï¿½
>> We know everyone in the industry loves me and knows me.ï¿½ Make you a
>> deal right now.ï¿½ double my salary and buy me a condo on the gulf coast in
>> Gulf Shores Al, and I'll come work for you :)
>> ï¿½
>> Let me know. :)
>> ï¿½
>> ï¿½
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera

2017-09-21 Thread Chuck McCown

Guess we could call them the Alabama Porch Crackers

From: James Howard 
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 2:43 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera

Only the high class ones actually marry their sister.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 3:41 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera

You meant sister and not wife, right? 

On Sep 21, 2017 2:21 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  When I moved to Illinois in 1990, I heard someone being called a cracker for 
the first time.  Had no clue as to what it meant.  I still think it is a funny 
supposedly disparaging term.  White Trailer Trash is much more demeaning to me. 

  Which would you rather be, a saltine 

  or 

  have an unmowed front yard, wheel-less cars up on chunks of firewood, bare 
footed- pregnant- crack toothed wife smoking a cigarette- with a baby on her 
hip and a beer bottle in the non smoking hand.  Of course you are wearing the 
AC/DC wife beater, with your mullet.  Someone is exclaiming “birds is magic”

  From: CBB - Jay Fuller 

  Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 2:16 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera

  you white cracker...i mean white collar criminal. :)

- Original Message - 

From: Steve Jones 

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 3:11 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera

I thought they were like pharmabros or something

but ill get in on this with Jay if they need guys, I wont do anything but 
drink and take the rap for any questionable dealings, I mean lets be real here, 
I'm going to prison eventually anyway, why not make some phat cash along the 
way and maybe end up in a cushy fed joint

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

  I thought it was only about a year.

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

--

  From: "Matt Hoppes" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 2:43:00 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera 

  Hasn't been for about two years. 

  On Sep 21, 2017, at 15:39, George Skorup  wrote:

So is Matt Hardy not at UBNT anymore?

On 9/21/2017 1:37 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

  ï¿½

  "ï¿½Ubiquiti has a bare-bones organizational structure, thatï¿½s key, 
so a lot of the red flags are coming from that point,ï¿½ Kundozerov said. 
ï¿½They donï¿½t have enough people, but that doesnï¿½t make them a fraud.ï¿½"

  ï¿½

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquiti-shares-hammered-by-citron-fraud-claim-that-contains-little-new-evidence-2017-09-18

  ï¿½

  HEY GUYS!

  ï¿½

  The talking heads are saying you need more staff

  ï¿½

  We know everyone in the industry loves me and knows me.ï¿½ Make you a 
deal right now.ï¿½ double my salary and buy me a condo on the gulf coast in 
Gulf Shores Al, and I'll come work for you :)

  ï¿½

  Let me know. :)

  ï¿½

  ï¿½

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Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera

2017-09-21 Thread James Howard

Only the high class ones actually marry their sister.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 3:41 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera

You meant sister and not wife, right?

On Sep 21, 2017 2:21 PM, "Chuck McCown" 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
When I moved to Illinois in 1990, I heard someone being called a cracker for 
the first time.  Had no clue as to what it meant.  I still think it is a funny 
supposedly disparaging term.  White Trailer Trash is much more demeaning to me.

Which would you rather be, a saltine
or

have an unmowed front yard, wheel-less cars up on chunks of firewood, bare 
footed- pregnant- crack toothed wife smoking a cigarette- with a baby on her 
hip and a beer bottle in the non smoking hand.  Of course you are wearing the 
AC/DC wife beater, with your mullet.  Someone is exclaiming “birds is magic”

From: CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 2:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera

you white cracker...i mean white collar criminal. :)
- Original Message -
From: Steve Jones
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera

I thought they were like pharmabros or something

but ill get in on this with Jay if they need guys, I wont do anything but drink 
and take the rap for any questionable dealings, I mean lets be real here, I'm 
going to prison eventually anyway, why not make some phat cash along the way 
and maybe end up in a cushy fed joint

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Mike Hammett 
mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
I thought it was only about a year.

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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Matt Hoppes" 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 2:43:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera

Hasn't been for about two years.

On Sep 21, 2017, at 15:39, George Skorup 
mailto:george.sko...@cbcast.com>> wrote:
So is Matt Hardy not at UBNT anymore?
On 9/21/2017 1:37 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
ï¿½
"ï¿½Ubiquiti has a bare-bones organizational structure, thatï¿½s key, so a lot 
of the red flags are coming from that point,ï¿½ Kundozerov said. ï¿½They 
donï¿½t have enough people, but that doesnï¿½t make them a fraud.ï¿½"
ï¿½
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquiti-shares-hammered-by-citron-fraud-claim-that-contains-little-new-evidence-2017-09-18
ï¿½
HEY GUYS!
ï¿½
The talking heads are saying you need more staff
ï¿½
We know everyone in the industry loves me and knows me.ï¿½ Make you a deal 
right now.ï¿½ double my salary and buy me a condo on the gulf coast in Gulf 
Shores Al, and I'll come work for you :)
ï¿½
Let me know. :)
ï¿½
ï¿½

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Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera

2017-09-21 Thread Chuck McCown

What’s the difference... (sometimes you Mom is also your sister).

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 2:41 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera

You meant sister and not wife, right? 

On Sep 21, 2017 2:21 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  When I moved to Illinois in 1990, I heard someone being called a cracker for 
the first time.  Had no clue as to what it meant.  I still think it is a funny 
supposedly disparaging term.  White Trailer Trash is much more demeaning to me. 

  Which would you rather be, a saltine 
  or 

  have an unmowed front yard, wheel-less cars up on chunks of firewood, bare 
footed- pregnant- crack toothed wife smoking a cigarette- with a baby on her 
hip and a beer bottle in the non smoking hand.  Of course you are wearing the 
AC/DC wife beater, with your mullet.  Someone is exclaiming “birds is magic”

  From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
  Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 2:16 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera

  you white cracker...i mean white collar criminal. :)

- Original Message - 
From: Steve Jones 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera

I thought they were like pharmabros or something

but ill get in on this with Jay if they need guys, I wont do anything but 
drink and take the rap for any questionable dealings, I mean lets be real here, 
I'm going to prison eventually anyway, why not make some phat cash along the 
way and maybe end up in a cushy fed joint

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

  I thought it was only about a year.

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

--

  From: "Matt Hoppes" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 2:43:00 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera 

  Hasn't been for about two years. 

  On Sep 21, 2017, at 15:39, George Skorup  wrote:

So is Matt Hardy not at UBNT anymore?

On 9/21/2017 1:37 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

  ï¿½
  "ï¿½Ubiquiti has a bare-bones organizational structure, thatï¿½s key, 
so a lot of the red flags are coming from that point,ï¿½ Kundozerov said. 
ï¿½They donï¿½t have enough people, but that doesnï¿½t make them a fraud.ï¿½"
  ï¿½

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquiti-shares-hammered-by-citron-fraud-claim-that-contains-little-new-evidence-2017-09-18
  ï¿½
  HEY GUYS!
  ï¿½
  The talking heads are saying you need more staff
  ï¿½
  We know everyone in the industry loves me and knows me.ï¿½ Make you a 
deal right now.ï¿½ double my salary and buy me a condo on the gulf coast in 
Gulf Shores Al, and I'll come work for you :)
  ï¿½
  Let me know. :)
  ï¿½
  ï¿½

Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera

2017-09-21 Thread Steve Jones

whats the difference?

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 3:41 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> You meant sister and not wife, right?
>
> On Sep 21, 2017 2:21 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> When I moved to Illinois in 1990, I heard someone being called a cracker
>> for the first time.  Had no clue as to what it meant.  I still think it is
>> a funny supposedly disparaging term.  White Trailer Trash is much more
>> demeaning to me.
>>
>> Which would you rather be, a saltine
>> or
>>
>> have an unmowed front yard, wheel-less cars up on chunks of firewood,
>> bare footed- pregnant- crack toothed wife smoking a cigarette- with a baby
>> on her hip and a beer bottle in the non smoking hand.  Of course you are
>> wearing the AC/DC wife beater, with your mullet.  Someone is exclaiming
>> “birds is magic”
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 21, 2017 2:16 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera
>>
>>
>> you white cracker...i mean white collar criminal. :)
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 21, 2017 3:11 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera
>>
>> I thought they were like pharmabros or something
>>
>> but ill get in on this with Jay if they need guys, I wont do anything but
>> drink and take the rap for any questionable dealings, I mean lets be real
>> here, I'm going to prison eventually anyway, why not make some phat cash
>> along the way and maybe end up in a cushy fed joint
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> I thought it was only about a year.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, September 21, 2017 2:43:00 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera
>>>
>>>
>>> Hasn't been for about two years.
>>>
>>> On Sep 21, 2017, at 15:39, George Skorup 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> So is Matt Hardy not at UBNT anymore?
>>>
>>> On 9/21/2017 1:37 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>>>
>>> ï¿½
>>> "ï¿½Ubiquiti has a bare-bones organizational structure, thatï¿½s key,
>>> so a lot of the red flags are coming from that point,ï¿½ Kundozerov said.
>>> ï¿½They donï¿½t have enough people, but that doesnï¿½t make them a
>>> fraud.ï¿½"
>>> ï¿½
>>> http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquiti-shares-hammered-by
>>> -citron-fraud-claim-that-contains-little-new-evidence-2017-09-18
>>> ï¿½
>>> HEY GUYS!
>>> ï¿½
>>> The talking heads are saying you need more staff
>>> ï¿½
>>> We know everyone in the industry loves me and knows me.ï¿½ Make you a
>>> deal right now.ï¿½ double my salary and buy me a condo on the gulf coast in
>>> Gulf Shores Al, and I'll come work for you :)
>>> ï¿½
>>> Let me know. :)
>>> ï¿½
>>> ï¿½
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera

2017-09-21 Thread Jaime Solorza

You meant sister and not wife, right?

On Sep 21, 2017 2:21 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> When I moved to Illinois in 1990, I heard someone being called a cracker
> for the first time.  Had no clue as to what it meant.  I still think it is
> a funny supposedly disparaging term.  White Trailer Trash is much more
> demeaning to me.
>
> Which would you rather be, a saltine
> or
>
> have an unmowed front yard, wheel-less cars up on chunks of firewood, bare
> footed- pregnant- crack toothed wife smoking a cigarette- with a baby on
> her hip and a beer bottle in the non smoking hand.  Of course you are
> wearing the AC/DC wife beater, with your mullet.  Someone is exclaiming
> “birds is magic”
>
>
>
> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 21, 2017 2:16 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera
>
>
> you white cracker...i mean white collar criminal. :)
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 21, 2017 3:11 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera
>
> I thought they were like pharmabros or something
>
> but ill get in on this with Jay if they need guys, I wont do anything but
> drink and take the rap for any questionable dealings, I mean lets be real
> here, I'm going to prison eventually anyway, why not make some phat cash
> along the way and maybe end up in a cushy fed joint
>
> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> I thought it was only about a year.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, September 21, 2017 2:43:00 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera
>>
>>
>> Hasn't been for about two years.
>>
>> On Sep 21, 2017, at 15:39, George Skorup 
>> wrote:
>>
>> So is Matt Hardy not at UBNT anymore?
>>
>> On 9/21/2017 1:37 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>>
>> ï¿½
>> "ï¿½Ubiquiti has a bare-bones organizational structure, thatï¿½s key, so
>> a lot of the red flags are coming from that point,ï¿½ Kundozerov said.
>> ï¿½They donï¿½t have enough people, but that doesnï¿½t make them a
>> fraud.ï¿½"
>> ï¿½
>> http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquiti-shares-hammered-
>> by-citron-fraud-claim-that-contains-little-new-evidence-2017-09-18
>> ï¿½
>> HEY GUYS!
>> ï¿½
>> The talking heads are saying you need more staff
>> ï¿½
>> We know everyone in the industry loves me and knows me.ï¿½ Make you a
>> deal right now.ï¿½ double my salary and buy me a condo on the gulf coast in
>> Gulf Shores Al, and I'll come work for you :)
>> ï¿½
>> Let me know. :)
>> ï¿½
>> ï¿½
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera

2017-09-21 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller

um.salt

  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck McCown 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 3:21 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera

  When I moved to Illinois in 1990, I heard someone being called a cracker for 
the first time.  Had no clue as to what it meant.  I still think it is a funny 
supposedly disparaging term.  White Trailer Trash is much more demeaning to me. 

  Which would you rather be, a saltine 
  or 

  have an unmowed front yard, wheel-less cars up on chunks of firewood, bare 
footed- pregnant- crack toothed wife smoking a cigarette- with a baby on her 
hip and a beer bottle in the non smoking hand.  Of course you are wearing the 
AC/DC wife beater, with your mullet.  Someone is exclaiming “birds is magic”

  From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
  Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 2:16 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera

  you white cracker...i mean white collar criminal. :)

- Original Message - 
From: Steve Jones 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera

I thought they were like pharmabros or something

but ill get in on this with Jay if they need guys, I wont do anything but 
drink and take the rap for any questionable dealings, I mean lets be real here, 
I'm going to prison eventually anyway, why not make some phat cash along the 
way and maybe end up in a cushy fed joint

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

  I thought it was only about a year.

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

--

  From: "Matt Hoppes" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 2:43:00 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera 

  Hasn't been for about two years. 

  On Sep 21, 2017, at 15:39, George Skorup  wrote:

So is Matt Hardy not at UBNT anymore?

On 9/21/2017 1:37 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

  ï¿½
  "ï¿½Ubiquiti has a bare-bones organizational structure, thatï¿½s key, 
so a lot of the red flags are coming from that point,ï¿½ Kundozerov said. 
ï¿½They donï¿½t have enough people, but that doesnï¿½t make them a fraud.ï¿½"
  ï¿½

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquiti-shares-hammered-by-citron-fraud-claim-that-contains-little-new-evidence-2017-09-18
  ï¿½
  HEY GUYS!
  ï¿½
  The talking heads are saying you need more staff
  ï¿½
  We know everyone in the industry loves me and knows me.ï¿½ Make you a 
deal right now.ï¿½ double my salary and buy me a condo on the gulf coast in 
Gulf Shores Al, and I'll come work for you :)
  ï¿½
  Let me know. :)
  ï¿½
  ï¿½

Re: [AFMUG] Speed Tests

2017-09-21 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller

from the office pc, i get 439 meg down and 638 up from a public speed test 
server about 60 miles away.
we have a one gig connection.  is this what i should expect?

of course during non peak we're moving 150-200 meg

  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck McCown 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 9:06 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speed Tests

  These are great.  We may have other problems we don’t know about.  

  From: Sterling Jacobson 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 8:57 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speed Tests

  Not sure if these attachments are going to come through, but here are my 
results tonight to my own speedtest.net server.

  The slower one is from Chrome, the faster is from Edge.

  Really can be a big difference in what browser (even version of browser) you 
are using…

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Utick
  Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 7:40 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speed Tests

  This is from my laptop, wired into our switch a couple of hops away from our 
speedtest server.  The server is behind a Cisco ASA firewall to boot.  Laptop 
is a good i7 laptop.  So, it is very possible to do a gig with a single 
computer.

  On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 2:28 PM, Al Rachide  wrote:

We did a speed test on a full GIG DIA fiber line. It took THREE computers 
simultaneously, two with I5s and one with an I7 processor. All 3 had gigabit 
internet cards. We did indeed get a totwl throughput of 997mbit down and 
1003mbit up. But that was the combined total of all 3 computers running the 
speed test at the same time. We think the reality is that any one computer, no 
matter how powerful, can actually send or receive 1000mbit speed.  Al

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  From: Steve Jones 
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  their power is like 80 or more percent out

  On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 1:43 PM, Zach Underwood 
  wrote:

  > Also looks like his backbone is still online
  >
  > https://stat.ripe.net/14979#tabId=routing
  >
  > On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 2:39 PM, Zach Underwood 
  > wrote:
  >
  >> More than half of the prefix from PR are offline
  >> https://stat.ripe.net/PR#tabId=routing
  >>
  >> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 2:28 PM, SmarterBroadband  
wrote:
  >>
  >>> Maria must have be giving you hell.
  >>>
  >>> No power on the island!!!
  >>>
  >>> Hold on and Good luck.
  >>>
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >> --
  >> Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)
  >> My website 
  >> advance-networking.com
  >>
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  From: "Chuck McCown" 
  To: 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Speedtests
  Message-ID: 
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

  Hard to find an app or appliance that will reliably show a customer the 
speed they are getting when it is above 100 Mbps.  We have increasingly more 
250, 500 and 1G customers and when they complain that speed test shows a lower 
number I need something to prove them wrong.  An average laptop does not cut it.

  We have installed our own speedtest server with the ookla recommended 
hardware etc.  But it takes a pretty good computer that actually show a gig.  
Ditto iperf.  Be nice if there was some kind of handheld device that could do 
this.   There are all kinds of hand held computers designed to roll your own 
piece of test or control gear.  Just not sure what is important.

  CPU speed
  Memory size
  PHY circuit
  Memor

Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera

2017-09-21 Thread Chuck McCown

When I moved to Illinois in 1990, I heard someone being called a cracker for 
the first time.  Had no clue as to what it meant.  I still think it is a funny 
supposedly disparaging term.  White Trailer Trash is much more demeaning to me. 
 

Which would you rather be, a saltine 
or 

have an unmowed front yard, wheel-less cars up on chunks of firewood, bare 
footed- pregnant- crack toothed wife smoking a cigarette- with a baby on her 
hip and a beer bottle in the non smoking hand.  Of course you are wearing the 
AC/DC wife beater, with your mullet.  Someone is exclaiming “birds is magic”



From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 2:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera


you white cracker...i mean white collar criminal. :)

  - Original Message - 
  From: Steve Jones 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 3:11 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera

  I thought they were like pharmabros or something

  but ill get in on this with Jay if they need guys, I wont do anything but 
drink and take the rap for any questionable dealings, I mean lets be real here, 
I'm going to prison eventually anyway, why not make some phat cash along the 
way and maybe end up in a cushy fed joint

  On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

I thought it was only about a year.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Matt Hoppes" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 2:43:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera 



Hasn't been for about two years. 

On Sep 21, 2017, at 15:39, George Skorup  wrote:


  So is Matt Hardy not at UBNT anymore?


  On 9/21/2017 1:37 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

ï¿½
"ï¿½Ubiquiti has a bare-bones organizational structure, thatï¿½s key, 
so a lot of the red flags are coming from that point,ï¿½ Kundozerov said. 
ï¿½They donï¿½t have enough people, but that doesnï¿½t make them a fraud.ï¿½"
ï¿½

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquiti-shares-hammered-by-citron-fraud-claim-that-contains-little-new-evidence-2017-09-18
ï¿½
HEY GUYS!
ï¿½
The talking heads are saying you need more staff
ï¿½
We know everyone in the industry loves me and knows me.ï¿½ Make you a 
deal right now.ï¿½ double my salary and buy me a condo on the gulf coast in 
Gulf Shores Al, and I'll come work for you :)
ï¿½
Let me know. :)
ï¿½
ï¿½

Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera

2017-09-21 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller

you white cracker...i mean white collar criminal. :)

  - Original Message - 
  From: Steve Jones 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 3:11 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera

  I thought they were like pharmabros or something

  but ill get in on this with Jay if they need guys, I wont do anything but 
drink and take the rap for any questionable dealings, I mean lets be real here, 
I'm going to prison eventually anyway, why not make some phat cash along the 
way and maybe end up in a cushy fed joint

  On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

I thought it was only about a year.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Matt Hoppes" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 2:43:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera

Hasn't been for about two years. 

On Sep 21, 2017, at 15:39, George Skorup  wrote:

  So is Matt Hardy not at UBNT anymore?

  On 9/21/2017 1:37 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

ï¿½
"ï¿½Ubiquiti has a bare-bones organizational structure, thatï¿½s key, 
so a lot of the red flags are coming from that point,ï¿½ Kundozerov said. 
ï¿½They donï¿½t have enough people, but that doesnï¿½t make them a fraud.ï¿½"
ï¿½

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquiti-shares-hammered-by-citron-fraud-claim-that-contains-little-new-evidence-2017-09-18
ï¿½
HEY GUYS!
ï¿½
The talking heads are saying you need more staff
ï¿½
We know everyone in the industry loves me and knows me.ï¿½ Make you a 
deal right now.ï¿½ double my salary and buy me a condo on the gulf coast in 
Gulf Shores Al, and I'll come work for you :)
ï¿½
Let me know. :)
ï¿½
ï¿½

Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera

2017-09-21 Thread Steve Jones

I thought they were like pharmabros or something

but ill get in on this with Jay if they need guys, I wont do anything but
drink and take the rap for any questionable dealings, I mean lets be real
here, I'm going to prison eventually anyway, why not make some phat cash
along the way and maybe end up in a cushy fed joint

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> I thought it was only about a year.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, September 21, 2017 2:43:00 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera
>
>
> Hasn't been for about two years.
>
> On Sep 21, 2017, at 15:39, George Skorup  wrote:
>
> So is Matt Hardy not at UBNT anymore?
>
> On 9/21/2017 1:37 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>
> ï¿½
> "ï¿½Ubiquiti has a bare-bones organizational structure, thatï¿½s key, so
> a lot of the red flags are coming from that point,ï¿½ Kundozerov said.
> ï¿½They donï¿½t have enough people, but that doesnï¿½t make them a
> fraud.ï¿½"
> ï¿½
> http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquiti-shares-hammered-by-citron-fraud-
> claim-that-contains-little-new-evidence-2017-09-18
> ï¿½
> HEY GUYS!
> ï¿½
> The talking heads are saying you need more staff
> ï¿½
> We know everyone in the industry loves me and knows me.ï¿½ Make you a deal
> right now.ï¿½ double my salary and buy me a condo on the gulf coast in Gulf
> Shores Al, and I'll come work for you :)
> ï¿½
> Let me know. :)
> ï¿½
> ï¿½
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera

2017-09-21 Thread Mike Hammett

I thought it was only about a year. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Matt Hoppes"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 2:43:00 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera 



Hasn't been for about two years. 

On Sep 21, 2017, at 15:39, George Skorup < george.sko...@cbcast.com > wrote: 




So is Matt Hardy not at UBNT anymore? 


On 9/21/2017 1:37 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: 



ï¿½ 
" ï¿½Ubiquiti has a bare-bones organizational structure, thatï¿½s key, so a lot 
of the red flags are coming from that point,ï¿½ Kundozerov said. ï¿½They 
donï¿½t have enough people, but that doesnï¿½t make them a fraud.ï¿½" 
ï¿½ 
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquiti-shares-hammered-by-citron-fraud-claim-that-contains-little-new-evidence-2017-09-18
 
ï¿½ 
HEY GUYS! 
ï¿½ 
The talking heads are saying you need more staff 
ï¿½ 
We know everyone in the industry loves me and knows me.ï¿½ Make you a deal 
right now.ï¿½ double my salary and buy me a condo on the gulf coast in Gulf 
Shores Al, and I'll come work for you :) 
ï¿½ 
Let me know. :) 
ï¿½ 
ï¿½

Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera

2017-09-21 Thread Matt Hoppes

Hasn't been for about two years. 

> On Sep 21, 2017, at 15:39, George Skorup  wrote:
> 
> So is Matt Hardy not at UBNT anymore?
> 
>> On 9/21/2017 1:37 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>> ï¿½
>> "ï¿½Ubiquiti has a bare-bones organizational structure, thatï¿½s key, so a 
>> lot of the red flags are coming from that point,ï¿½ Kundozerov said. ï¿½They 
>> donï¿½t have enough people, but that doesnï¿½t make them a fraud.ï¿½"
>> ï¿½
>> http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquiti-shares-hammered-by-citron-fraud-claim-that-contains-little-new-evidence-2017-09-18
>> ï¿½
>> HEY GUYS!
>> ï¿½
>> The talking heads are saying you need more staff
>> ï¿½
>> We know everyone in the industry loves me and knows me.ï¿½ Make you a deal 
>> right now.ï¿½ double my salary and buy me a condo on the gulf coast in Gulf 
>> Shores Al, and I'll come work for you :)
>> ï¿½
>> Let me know. :)
>> ï¿½
>> ï¿½
>

Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera

2017-09-21 Thread George Skorup


So is Matt Hardy not at UBNT anymore?

On 9/21/2017 1:37 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
"ï¿½Ubiquiti has a bare-bones organizational structure, thatï¿½s key, so a 
lot of the red flags are coming from that point,ï¿½ Kundozerov said. 
ï¿½They donï¿½t have enough people, but that doesnï¿½t make them a fraud.ï¿½"

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquiti-shares-hammered-by-citron-fraud-claim-that-contains-little-new-evidence-2017-09-18
HEY GUYS!
The talking heads are saying you need more staff
We know everyone in the industry loves me and knows me.ï¿½ Make you a 
deal right now.ï¿½ double my salary and buy me a condo on the gulf coast 
in Gulf Shores Al, and I'll come work for you :)

Let me know. :)

Re: [AFMUG] Speedtests

2017-09-21 Thread Mathew Howard

Well, if a 386 could support 512 MB of RAM it might be able to :P



On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Could a 386 run Windows XP?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 9/21/2017 9:27:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtests
>
> But the clients are still running Windows XP with 512 MB of RAM on a
> 3x86...
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Easy enough to try, thanks.
>>
>> *From:* Jesse DuPont
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 20, 2017 1:38 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Speedtests
>>
>> So, I installed an open source HTML5 speedtest app (link below) on an old
>> Dell Optiplex 755 (Core 2 Duo, 2 GB RAM) that has a 1 Gbit interface and
>> get 1 Gbps all day long. See attached proof from this morning. Works on
>> IPv4 and IPv6. The Dell is running Fedora 18 32-bit, Apache2, PHP. Few
>> tweaks to the NIC buffers and a couple of Apache settings and it was golden.
>>
>> https://github.com/adolfintel/speedtest
>>
>> *Jesse DuPont*
>>
>> Network Architect
>> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
>> Celerity Networks LLC
>>
>> Celerity Broadband LLC
>> Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
>>
>> Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
>> On 9/20/17 1:34 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> Hard to find an app or appliance that will reliably show a customer the
>> speed they are getting when it is above 100 Mbps.  We have increasingly
>> more 250, 500 and 1G customers and when they complain that speed test shows
>> a lower number I need something to prove them wrong.  An average laptop
>> does not cut it.
>>
>> We have installed our own speedtest server with the ookla recommended
>> hardware etc.  But it takes a pretty good computer that actually show a
>> gig.  Ditto iperf.  Be nice if there was some kind of handheld device that
>> could do this.   There are all kinds of hand held computers designed to
>> roll your own piece of test or control gear.  Just not sure what is
>> important.
>>
>> CPU speed
>> Memory size
>> PHY circuit
>> Memory type
>>
>> I guess I should ask this question of ookla...
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] radio specifications... HOW?

2017-09-21 Thread Josh Reynolds

The whole premise is I'm thinking the specs are BS. Not only are they in
nice round number, but they scale perfectly linearly and claim within 1-2
dB of the same sensitivity as arguably the most advanced radio hardware
design on the market.

On Sep 21, 2017 1:24 PM, "Chris Gustaf"  wrote:

> Chuck is right. The system noise figure is a combination of amplifier
> gains, amplifier noise figures, and filter losses, so best just to refer to
> the manufacturer specs for comparison.  The sensitivity specs will include
> the effect of noise figure, in case the noise figure is not given.
>
> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 11:15 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> I would add front end filter loss adds directly to noise figure which
>> affects sensitivity.
>>
>> *From:* Chris Gustaf
>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 21, 2017 12:11 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] radio specifications... HOW?
>>
>> You are correct that wider front end filters give up masking and
>> rejection of out of band interferers, but the intermediate frequency (IF)
>> and baseband filters are what determines RX sensitivity.
>>
>> In the case you outlined, if the channel width was say 56 MHz for both
>> QAMs and the tuning range was 200 MHz or 1000 MHz, there would be no real
>> difference in sensitivity for the same modulation/channel width.  The 1000
>> MHz tuning unit range may be more susceptible to interference outside 200
>> MHz filter range is all- this depends on other radio design elements.
>>
>> You can try asking the supplier for a Threshold to Interference (T/I)
>> curve, which will show how strong a like signal at various frequencies will
>> cause BERs on the radio.  Most licensed radio manufacturers should have
>> this data.
>>
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It is my understanding that the larger the operational range of the
>>> radio, it is using vastly different filters to accommodate that range.
>>> These filters give up masking performance outside of the channel mask for
>>> an increase in range.
>>>
>>> Those wider range filters end up costing the radio *selectivity*.
>>>
>>> If this is incorrect, please say so.
>>>
>>> On Sep 21, 2017 12:07 PM, "Chris Gustaf"  wrote:
>>>
 In general for each increase in modulation level it requires about 3 dB
 more SNR (see below), and for each doubling of channel bandwidth you lose 3
 dB sensitivity.

 SNR Requirements for Trango and others:

 QAM/SNR (dB)
 256QAM/26.1
 512QAM/29
 1024QAM/32.5
 2048QAM/35.8
 4096QAM/40

 The frequency tuning range of the radio has nothing to do with the
 sensitivity.

 So 4096QAM requires about 14 dB More SNR than 256 QAM for the same
 channel size, but since in this case it uses a smaller channel bandwidth it
 has a lower noise floor by 7 dB as Forrest stated. The 4096 QAM radio will
 require a 7 dB stronger signal to hold its modulation..

 Hope this helps
 Chris







 On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 5:24 AM, Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:

> I would rather not name the vendors at this time.
>
> On Sep 21, 2017 2:30 AM, "Mitch Koep"  wrote:
>
>> Josh
>>
>> Will you shall the radio info?
>>
>> Mitch
>>
>> On 9/21/2017 12:57 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>
>> The frequency agility between the radios is 800 mhz. Vastly
>> different radio filters.
>> Both are capable of similar channel bandwidths.
>> This is all done at MCS0 / QPSK
>>
>> I'm comparing, basically, their sensitivity and selectivity. The
>> radio that is frequency capable of 200mhz is also capable of hitting
>> 4096QAM, while the radio capable of operating in a 1GHz range of
>> frequencies is 256QAM capable.
>>
>> Basically, it's (the 256QAM radio) sensitivity at the same modulation
>> and the same power is wayy closer than I would expect it should be -
>> vastly different, and far cheaper components. TL;DR: I'm calling BS on 
>> the
>> data sheet :)
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Can you give specific examples?  Having a hard time understanding
>>> for sure the exact specs you're comparing.
>>>
>>> In relation to the thermal noise floor:  just reducing from 1000mz
>>> to 200mhz will gain you ~7db of noise floor.   But usually that's in a
>>> channel, not in the entire 'frequency agility' area.  Maybe they aren't 
>>> all
>>> that selective within the 1Ghz bandwidth.
>>>
>>> I've never been able to find a chart of theoretical required s/n
>>> ratio for each of the QAM's so I can't comment on how much difference 
>>> there
>>> is supposed to be - after all, with everything else being the same
>>> (channel, modulation, power, etc), 256QAM should definitely re

Re: [AFMUG] Speedtests

2017-09-21 Thread Adam Moffett

Could a 386 run Windows XP?

-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 9/21/2017 9:27:02 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtests

But the clients are still running Windows XP with 512 MB of RAM on a 
3x86...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Easy enough to try, thanks.

From:Jesse DuPont
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 1:38 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtests

So, I installed an open source HTML5 speedtest app (link below) on an 
old Dell Optiplex 755 (Core 2 Duo, 2 GB RAM) that has a 1 Gbit 
interface and get 1 Gbps all day long. See attached proof from this 
morning. Works on IPv4 and IPv6. The Dell is running Fedora 18 32-bit, 
Apache2, PHP. Few tweaks to the NIC buffers and a couple of Apache 
settings and it was golden.

https://github.com/adolfintel/speedtest 

Jesse DuPont

Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
Celerity Networks LLC

Celerity Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc

Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband

On 9/20/17 1:34 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Hard to find an app or appliance that will reliably show a customer 
the speed they are getting when it is above 100 Mbps.  We have 
increasingly more 250, 500 and 1G customers and when they complain 
that speed test shows a lower number I need something to prove them 
wrong.  An average laptop does not cut it.

We have installed our own speedtest server with the ookla recommended 
hardware etc.  But it takes a pretty good computer that actually show 
a gig.  Ditto iperf.  Be nice if there was some kind of handheld 
device that could do this.   There are all kinds of hand held 
computers designed to roll your own piece of test or control gear.  
Just not sure what is important.

CPU speed
Memory size
PHY circuit
Memory type

I guess I should ask this question of ookla...

Re: [AFMUG] Puerto Rico..

2017-09-21 Thread Steve Jones

likely a month until its restored, usvi is on 24 hour curfew. the whole
region is in the dark ages. I hope our resources can get there soon

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> They've been saying on the news that power is out on almost the entire
> island, so that's not too surprising. Definitely not pretty.
>
> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 12:57 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> https://stat.ripe.net/PR#tabId=routing
>>
>> Out of 47 ASN's only 24 are online
>>
>> Not pretty !
>>
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> 
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>
>

[AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera

2017-09-21 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller


""Ubiquiti has a bare-bones organizational structure, that's key, so a lot of 
the red flags are coming from that point," Kundozerov said. "They don't have 
enough people, but that doesn't make them a fraud.""

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquiti-shares-hammered-by-citron-fraud-claim-that-contains-little-new-evidence-2017-09-18

HEY GUYS!

The talking heads are saying you need more staff

We know everyone in the industry loves me and knows me.  Make you a deal right 
now.  double my salary and buy me a condo on the gulf coast in Gulf Shores Al, 
and I'll come work for you :)

Let me know. :)

Re: [AFMUG] radio specifications... HOW?

2017-09-21 Thread Chris Gustaf

Chuck is right. The system noise figure is a combination of amplifier
gains, amplifier noise figures, and filter losses, so best just to refer to
the manufacturer specs for comparison.  The sensitivity specs will include
the effect of noise figure, in case the noise figure is not given.

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 11:15 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I would add front end filter loss adds directly to noise figure which
> affects sensitivity.
>
> *From:* Chris Gustaf
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 21, 2017 12:11 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] radio specifications... HOW?
>
> You are correct that wider front end filters give up masking and rejection
> of out of band interferers, but the intermediate frequency (IF) and
> baseband filters are what determines RX sensitivity.
>
> In the case you outlined, if the channel width was say 56 MHz for both
> QAMs and the tuning range was 200 MHz or 1000 MHz, there would be no real
> difference in sensitivity for the same modulation/channel width.  The 1000
> MHz tuning unit range may be more susceptible to interference outside 200
> MHz filter range is all- this depends on other radio design elements.
>
> You can try asking the supplier for a Threshold to Interference (T/I)
> curve, which will show how strong a like signal at various frequencies will
> cause BERs on the radio.  Most licensed radio manufacturers should have
> this data.
>
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> It is my understanding that the larger the operational range of the
>> radio, it is using vastly different filters to accommodate that range.
>> These filters give up masking performance outside of the channel mask for
>> an increase in range.
>>
>> Those wider range filters end up costing the radio *selectivity*.
>>
>> If this is incorrect, please say so.
>>
>> On Sep 21, 2017 12:07 PM, "Chris Gustaf"  wrote:
>>
>>> In general for each increase in modulation level it requires about 3 dB
>>> more SNR (see below), and for each doubling of channel bandwidth you lose 3
>>> dB sensitivity.
>>>
>>> SNR Requirements for Trango and others:
>>>
>>> QAM/SNR (dB)
>>> 256QAM/26.1
>>> 512QAM/29
>>> 1024QAM/32.5
>>> 2048QAM/35.8
>>> 4096QAM/40
>>>
>>> The frequency tuning range of the radio has nothing to do with the
>>> sensitivity.
>>>
>>> So 4096QAM requires about 14 dB More SNR than 256 QAM for the same
>>> channel size, but since in this case it uses a smaller channel bandwidth it
>>> has a lower noise floor by 7 dB as Forrest stated. The 4096 QAM radio will
>>> require a 7 dB stronger signal to hold its modulation..
>>>
>>> Hope this helps
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 5:24 AM, Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I would rather not name the vendors at this time.

 On Sep 21, 2017 2:30 AM, "Mitch Koep"  wrote:

> Josh
>
> Will you shall the radio info?
>
> Mitch
>
> On 9/21/2017 12:57 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> The frequency agility between the radios is 800 mhz. Vastly different
> radio filters.
> Both are capable of similar channel bandwidths.
> This is all done at MCS0 / QPSK
>
> I'm comparing, basically, their sensitivity and selectivity. The radio
> that is frequency capable of 200mhz is also capable of hitting 4096QAM,
> while the radio capable of operating in a 1GHz range of frequencies is
> 256QAM capable.
>
> Basically, it's (the 256QAM radio) sensitivity at the same modulation
> and the same power is wayy closer than I would expect it should be -
> vastly different, and far cheaper components. TL;DR: I'm calling BS on the
> data sheet :)
>
> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> Can you give specific examples?  Having a hard time understanding for
>> sure the exact specs you're comparing.
>>
>> In relation to the thermal noise floor:  just reducing from 1000mz to
>> 200mhz will gain you ~7db of noise floor.   But usually that's in a
>> channel, not in the entire 'frequency agility' area.  Maybe they aren't 
>> all
>> that selective within the 1Ghz bandwidth.
>>
>> I've never been able to find a chart of theoretical required s/n
>> ratio for each of the QAM's so I can't comment on how much difference 
>> there
>> is supposed to be - after all, with everything else being the same
>> (channel, modulation, power, etc), 256QAM should definitely require a 
>> lower
>> signal strength than a 4096QAM radio.They definitely shouldn't be the
>> same with the same channel width, unless one radio is noisier or more
>> susceptible to noise.
>>
>> And sensitivity should just be about the receiver, not the
>> transmitter.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 9:20 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Can someone smarter than I fill me in

Re: [AFMUG] radio specifications... HOW?

2017-09-21 Thread Josh Reynolds

Thanks Chris, that helps point me in the right direction.

On Sep 21, 2017 1:11 PM, "Chris Gustaf"  wrote:

You are correct that wider front end filters give up masking and rejection
of out of band interferers, but the intermediate frequency (IF) and
baseband filters are what determines RX sensitivity.

In the case you outlined, if the channel width was say 56 MHz for both QAMs
and the tuning range was 200 MHz or 1000 MHz, there would be no real
difference in sensitivity for the same modulation/channel width.  The 1000
MHz tuning unit range may be more susceptible to interference outside 200
MHz filter range is all- this depends on other radio design elements.

You can try asking the supplier for a Threshold to Interference (T/I)
curve, which will show how strong a like signal at various frequencies will
cause BERs on the radio.  Most licensed radio manufacturers should have
this data.

Chris

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Josh Reynolds 
wrote:

> It is my understanding that the larger the operational range of the radio,
> it is using vastly different filters to accommodate that range. These
> filters give up masking performance outside of the channel mask for an
> increase in range.
>
> Those wider range filters end up costing the radio *selectivity*.
>
> If this is incorrect, please say so.
>
> On Sep 21, 2017 12:07 PM, "Chris Gustaf"  wrote:
>
>> In general for each increase in modulation level it requires about 3 dB
>> more SNR (see below), and for each doubling of channel bandwidth you lose 3
>> dB sensitivity.
>>
>> SNR Requirements for Trango and others:
>>
>> QAM/SNR (dB)
>> 256QAM/26.1
>> 512QAM/29
>> 1024QAM/32.5
>> 2048QAM/35.8
>> 4096QAM/40
>>
>> The frequency tuning range of the radio has nothing to do with the
>> sensitivity.
>>
>> So 4096QAM requires about 14 dB More SNR than 256 QAM for the same
>> channel size, but since in this case it uses a smaller channel bandwidth it
>> has a lower noise floor by 7 dB as Forrest stated. The 4096 QAM radio will
>> require a 7 dB stronger signal to hold its modulation..
>>
>> Hope this helps
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 5:24 AM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I would rather not name the vendors at this time.
>>>
>>> On Sep 21, 2017 2:30 AM, "Mitch Koep"  wrote:
>>>
 Josh

 Will you shall the radio info?

 Mitch

 On 9/21/2017 12:57 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

 The frequency agility between the radios is 800 mhz. Vastly different
 radio filters.
 Both are capable of similar channel bandwidths.
 This is all done at MCS0 / QPSK

 I'm comparing, basically, their sensitivity and selectivity. The radio
 that is frequency capable of 200mhz is also capable of hitting 4096QAM,
 while the radio capable of operating in a 1GHz range of frequencies is
 256QAM capable.

 Basically, it's (the 256QAM radio) sensitivity at the same modulation
 and the same power is wayy closer than I would expect it should be -
 vastly different, and far cheaper components. TL;DR: I'm calling BS on the
 data sheet :)

 On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
 li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> Can you give specific examples?  Having a hard time understanding for
> sure the exact specs you're comparing.
>
> In relation to the thermal noise floor:  just reducing from 1000mz to
> 200mhz will gain you ~7db of noise floor.   But usually that's in a
> channel, not in the entire 'frequency agility' area.  Maybe they aren't 
> all
> that selective within the 1Ghz bandwidth.
>
> I've never been able to find a chart of theoretical required s/n ratio
> for each of the QAM's so I can't comment on how much difference there is
> supposed to be - after all, with everything else being the same (channel,
> modulation, power, etc), 256QAM should definitely require a lower signal
> strength than a 4096QAM radio.They definitely shouldn't be the same
> with the same channel width, unless one radio is noisier or more
> susceptible to noise.
>
> And sensitivity should just be about the receiver, not the transmitter.
>
> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 9:20 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> Can someone smarter than I fill me in on something? I'm comparing some
>> radios here (no names...)
>>
>> One radio is 256 QAM, with a 1000mhz operating range
>>
>> Another one is 4096 QAM, with a 200mhz operating range
>>
>> Can you explain to me how the sensitivity on the 256QAM radio, at the
>> same modulation rate, same (scaled) power level, claims to be with a
>> single dB or two as sensitive as the 4096QAM radio with an 800mhz
>> smaller operating range?
>>
>> Anyone?
>>
>> Thanks :)
>>
>> ---
>> Josh Reynolds
>>
>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologi

Re: [AFMUG] radio specifications... HOW?

2017-09-21 Thread Chuck McCown

I would add front end filter loss adds directly to noise figure which affects 
sensitivity.  

From: Chris Gustaf 
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 12:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] radio specifications... HOW?

You are correct that wider front end filters give up masking and rejection of 
out of band interferers, but the intermediate frequency (IF) and baseband 
filters are what determines RX sensitivity. 

In the case you outlined, if the channel width was say 56 MHz for both QAMs and 
the tuning range was 200 MHz or 1000 MHz, there would be no real difference in 
sensitivity for the same modulation/channel width.  The 1000 MHz tuning unit 
range may be more susceptible to interference outside 200 MHz filter range is 
all- this depends on other radio design elements.

You can try asking the supplier for a Threshold to Interference (T/I) curve, 
which will show how strong a like signal at various frequencies will cause BERs 
on the radio.  Most licensed radio manufacturers should have this data.

Chris

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

  It is my understanding that the larger the operational range of the radio, it 
is using vastly different filters to accommodate that range. These filters give 
up masking performance outside of the channel mask for an increase in range. 

  Those wider range filters end up costing the radio *selectivity*.

  If this is incorrect, please say so.

  On Sep 21, 2017 12:07 PM, "Chris Gustaf"  wrote:

In general for each increase in modulation level it requires about 3 dB 
more SNR (see below), and for each doubling of channel bandwidth you lose 3 dB 
sensitivity. 

SNR Requirements for Trango and others:

QAM/SNR (dB)
256QAM/26.1 
512QAM/29
1024QAM/32.5
2048QAM/35.8
4096QAM/40 

The frequency tuning range of the radio has nothing to do with the 
sensitivity.  

So 4096QAM requires about 14 dB More SNR than 256 QAM for the same channel 
size, but since in this case it uses a smaller channel bandwidth it has a lower 
noise floor by 7 dB as Forrest stated. The 4096 QAM radio will require a 7 dB 
stronger signal to hold its modulation.. 

Hope this helps
Chris

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 5:24 AM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

  I would rather not name the vendors at this time.

  On Sep 21, 2017 2:30 AM, "Mitch Koep"  wrote:

Josh

Will you shall the radio info?

Mitch

On 9/21/2017 12:57 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

  The frequency agility between the radios is 800 mhz. Vastly 
different radio filters.
  Both are capable of similar channel bandwidths.
  This is all done at MCS0 / QPSK

  I'm comparing, basically, their sensitivity and selectivity. The 
radio that is frequency capable of 200mhz is also capable of hitting 4096QAM, 
while the radio capable of operating in a 1GHz range of frequencies is 256QAM 
capable.

  Basically, it's (the 256QAM radio) sensitivity at the same modulation 
and the same power is wayy closer than I would expect it should be - 
vastly different, and far cheaper components. TL;DR: I'm calling BS on the data 
sheet :)

  On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
 wrote:

Can you give specific examples?  Having a hard time understanding 
for sure the exact specs you're comparing. 

In relation to the thermal noise floor:  just reducing from 1000mz 
to 200mhz will gain you ~7db of noise floor.   But usually that's in a channel, 
not in the entire 'frequency agility' area.  Maybe they aren't all that 
selective within the 1Ghz bandwidth.

I've never been able to find a chart of theoretical required s/n 
ratio for each of the QAM's so I can't comment on how much difference there is 
supposed to be - after all, with everything else being the same (channel, 
modulation, power, etc), 256QAM should definitely require a lower signal 
strength than a 4096QAM radio.They definitely shouldn't be the same with 
the same channel width, unless one radio is noisier or more susceptible to 
noise.

And sensitivity should just be about the receiver, not the 
transmitter.

On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 9:20 PM, Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:

  Can someone smarter than I fill me in on something? I'm comparing 
some
  radios here (no names...)

  One radio is 256 QAM, with a 1000mhz operating range

  Another one is 4096 QAM, with a 200mhz operating range

  Can you explain to me how the sensitivity on the 256QAM radio, at 
the
  same modulation rate, same (scaled) power level, claims to be 
with a
  single dB or two as sensitive as the 4096QAM radio with an 800mhz
  smaller operating range?

  Anyone?

  Thanks :)

  ---
  Josh Reynolds

--

Re: [AFMUG] radio specifications... HOW?

2017-09-21 Thread Chris Gustaf

You are correct that wider front end filters give up masking and rejection
of out of band interferers, but the intermediate frequency (IF) and
baseband filters are what determines RX sensitivity.

In the case you outlined, if the channel width was say 56 MHz for both QAMs
and the tuning range was 200 MHz or 1000 MHz, there would be no real
difference in sensitivity for the same modulation/channel width.  The 1000
MHz tuning unit range may be more susceptible to interference outside 200
MHz filter range is all- this depends on other radio design elements.

You can try asking the supplier for a Threshold to Interference (T/I)
curve, which will show how strong a like signal at various frequencies will
cause BERs on the radio.  Most licensed radio manufacturers should have
this data.

Chris

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Josh Reynolds 
wrote:

> It is my understanding that the larger the operational range of the radio,
> it is using vastly different filters to accommodate that range. These
> filters give up masking performance outside of the channel mask for an
> increase in range.
>
> Those wider range filters end up costing the radio *selectivity*.
>
> If this is incorrect, please say so.
>
> On Sep 21, 2017 12:07 PM, "Chris Gustaf"  wrote:
>
>> In general for each increase in modulation level it requires about 3 dB
>> more SNR (see below), and for each doubling of channel bandwidth you lose 3
>> dB sensitivity.
>>
>> SNR Requirements for Trango and others:
>>
>> QAM/SNR (dB)
>> 256QAM/26.1
>> 512QAM/29
>> 1024QAM/32.5
>> 2048QAM/35.8
>> 4096QAM/40
>>
>> The frequency tuning range of the radio has nothing to do with the
>> sensitivity.
>>
>> So 4096QAM requires about 14 dB More SNR than 256 QAM for the same
>> channel size, but since in this case it uses a smaller channel bandwidth it
>> has a lower noise floor by 7 dB as Forrest stated. The 4096 QAM radio will
>> require a 7 dB stronger signal to hold its modulation..
>>
>> Hope this helps
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 5:24 AM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I would rather not name the vendors at this time.
>>>
>>> On Sep 21, 2017 2:30 AM, "Mitch Koep"  wrote:
>>>
 Josh

 Will you shall the radio info?

 Mitch

 On 9/21/2017 12:57 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

 The frequency agility between the radios is 800 mhz. Vastly different
 radio filters.
 Both are capable of similar channel bandwidths.
 This is all done at MCS0 / QPSK

 I'm comparing, basically, their sensitivity and selectivity. The radio
 that is frequency capable of 200mhz is also capable of hitting 4096QAM,
 while the radio capable of operating in a 1GHz range of frequencies is
 256QAM capable.

 Basically, it's (the 256QAM radio) sensitivity at the same modulation
 and the same power is wayy closer than I would expect it should be -
 vastly different, and far cheaper components. TL;DR: I'm calling BS on the
 data sheet :)

 On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
 li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> Can you give specific examples?  Having a hard time understanding for
> sure the exact specs you're comparing.
>
> In relation to the thermal noise floor:  just reducing from 1000mz to
> 200mhz will gain you ~7db of noise floor.   But usually that's in a
> channel, not in the entire 'frequency agility' area.  Maybe they aren't 
> all
> that selective within the 1Ghz bandwidth.
>
> I've never been able to find a chart of theoretical required s/n ratio
> for each of the QAM's so I can't comment on how much difference there is
> supposed to be - after all, with everything else being the same (channel,
> modulation, power, etc), 256QAM should definitely require a lower signal
> strength than a 4096QAM radio.They definitely shouldn't be the same
> with the same channel width, unless one radio is noisier or more
> susceptible to noise.
>
> And sensitivity should just be about the receiver, not the transmitter.
>
> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 9:20 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> Can someone smarter than I fill me in on something? I'm comparing some
>> radios here (no names...)
>>
>> One radio is 256 QAM, with a 1000mhz operating range
>>
>> Another one is 4096 QAM, with a 200mhz operating range
>>
>> Can you explain to me how the sensitivity on the 256QAM radio, at the
>> same modulation rate, same (scaled) power level, claims to be with a
>> single dB or two as sensitive as the 4096QAM radio with an 800mhz
>> smaller operating range?
>>
>> Anyone?
>>
>> Thanks :)
>>
>> ---
>> Josh Reynolds
>>
>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>

Re: [AFMUG] Puerto Rico..

2017-09-21 Thread Mathew Howard

They've been saying on the news that power is out on almost the entire
island, so that's not too surprising. Definitely not pretty.

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 12:57 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

>
>
> https://stat.ripe.net/PR#tabId=routing
>
> Out of 47 ASN's only 24 are online
>
> Not pretty !
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>

[AFMUG] Puerto Rico..

2017-09-21 Thread Faisal Imtiaz



https://stat.ripe.net/PR#tabId=routing

Out of 47 ASN's only 24 are online

Not pretty !


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

Re: [AFMUG] radio specifications... HOW?

2017-09-21 Thread Josh Reynolds

It is my understanding that the larger the operational range of the radio,
it is using vastly different filters to accommodate that range. These
filters give up masking performance outside of the channel mask for an
increase in range.

Those wider range filters end up costing the radio *selectivity*.

If this is incorrect, please say so.

On Sep 21, 2017 12:07 PM, "Chris Gustaf"  wrote:

> In general for each increase in modulation level it requires about 3 dB
> more SNR (see below), and for each doubling of channel bandwidth you lose 3
> dB sensitivity.
>
> SNR Requirements for Trango and others:
>
> QAM/SNR (dB)
> 256QAM/26.1
> 512QAM/29
> 1024QAM/32.5
> 2048QAM/35.8
> 4096QAM/40
>
> The frequency tuning range of the radio has nothing to do with the
> sensitivity.
>
> So 4096QAM requires about 14 dB More SNR than 256 QAM for the same channel
> size, but since in this case it uses a smaller channel bandwidth it has a
> lower noise floor by 7 dB as Forrest stated. The 4096 QAM radio will
> require a 7 dB stronger signal to hold its modulation..
>
> Hope this helps
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 5:24 AM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> I would rather not name the vendors at this time.
>>
>> On Sep 21, 2017 2:30 AM, "Mitch Koep"  wrote:
>>
>>> Josh
>>>
>>> Will you shall the radio info?
>>>
>>> Mitch
>>>
>>> On 9/21/2017 12:57 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>>
>>> The frequency agility between the radios is 800 mhz. Vastly different
>>> radio filters.
>>> Both are capable of similar channel bandwidths.
>>> This is all done at MCS0 / QPSK
>>>
>>> I'm comparing, basically, their sensitivity and selectivity. The radio
>>> that is frequency capable of 200mhz is also capable of hitting 4096QAM,
>>> while the radio capable of operating in a 1GHz range of frequencies is
>>> 256QAM capable.
>>>
>>> Basically, it's (the 256QAM radio) sensitivity at the same modulation
>>> and the same power is wayy closer than I would expect it should be -
>>> vastly different, and far cheaper components. TL;DR: I'm calling BS on the
>>> data sheet :)
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>>
 Can you give specific examples?  Having a hard time understanding for
 sure the exact specs you're comparing.

 In relation to the thermal noise floor:  just reducing from 1000mz to
 200mhz will gain you ~7db of noise floor.   But usually that's in a
 channel, not in the entire 'frequency agility' area.  Maybe they aren't all
 that selective within the 1Ghz bandwidth.

 I've never been able to find a chart of theoretical required s/n ratio
 for each of the QAM's so I can't comment on how much difference there is
 supposed to be - after all, with everything else being the same (channel,
 modulation, power, etc), 256QAM should definitely require a lower signal
 strength than a 4096QAM radio.They definitely shouldn't be the same
 with the same channel width, unless one radio is noisier or more
 susceptible to noise.

 And sensitivity should just be about the receiver, not the transmitter.

 On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 9:20 PM, Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:

> Can someone smarter than I fill me in on something? I'm comparing some
> radios here (no names...)
>
> One radio is 256 QAM, with a 1000mhz operating range
>
> Another one is 4096 QAM, with a 200mhz operating range
>
> Can you explain to me how the sensitivity on the 256QAM radio, at the
> same modulation rate, same (scaled) power level, claims to be with a
> single dB or two as sensitive as the 4096QAM radio with an 800mhz
> smaller operating range?
>
> Anyone?
>
> Thanks :)
>
> ---
> Josh Reynolds
>



 --
 *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
 Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
 
 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
 
   


>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for Triton or other 120 or 100 ft. SSV tower - New or Used

2017-09-21 Thread George Skorup


On the ground in Ft. Myers:

http://usedtowers.com/product/140-ssv-rohn-self-supporting-tower/
or
http://usedtowers.com/product/140-ssv-rohn-self-supporting-tower-2/

On 9/21/2017 12:08 PM, Paul McCall wrote:


We have never built a Self-support tower. I have heard Triton is 
pretty good, but am open to others new or used.ï¿½ ï¿½I need to build 
something immediately.


Any suggestions or opinions?

Thanks!

Paul

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800

pa...@pdmnet.net 

www.pdmnet.com 

www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for Triton or other 120 or 100 ft. SSV tower - Newor Used

2017-09-21 Thread Chuck McCown

I have used Sabre and Valmont too.  Both are good.  

From: Paul McCall 
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 11:08 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for Triton or other 120 or 100 ft. SSV tower - Newor 
Used

We have never built a Self-support tower.  I have heard Triton is pretty good, 
but am open to others new or used.   I need to build something immediately.

Any suggestions or opinions?

Thanks!

Paul

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800  

pa...@pdmnet.net

www.pdmnet.com

www.floridabroadband.com

[AFMUG] Looking for Triton or other 120 or 100 ft. SSV tower - New or Used

2017-09-21 Thread Paul McCall

We have never built a Self-support tower.  I have heard Triton is pretty good, 
but am open to others new or used.   I need to build something immediately.

Any suggestions or opinions?

Thanks!

Paul



Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] radio specifications... HOW?

2017-09-21 Thread Chris Gustaf

In general for each increase in modulation level it requires about 3 dB
more SNR (see below), and for each doubling of channel bandwidth you lose 3
dB sensitivity.

SNR Requirements for Trango and others:

QAM/SNR (dB)
256QAM/26.1
512QAM/29
1024QAM/32.5
2048QAM/35.8
4096QAM/40

The frequency tuning range of the radio has nothing to do with the
sensitivity.

So 4096QAM requires about 14 dB More SNR than 256 QAM for the same channel
size, but since in this case it uses a smaller channel bandwidth it has a
lower noise floor by 7 dB as Forrest stated. The 4096 QAM radio will
require a 7 dB stronger signal to hold its modulation..

Hope this helps
Chris







On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 5:24 AM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> I would rather not name the vendors at this time.
>
> On Sep 21, 2017 2:30 AM, "Mitch Koep"  wrote:
>
>> Josh
>>
>> Will you shall the radio info?
>>
>> Mitch
>>
>> On 9/21/2017 12:57 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>
>> The frequency agility between the radios is 800 mhz. Vastly different
>> radio filters.
>> Both are capable of similar channel bandwidths.
>> This is all done at MCS0 / QPSK
>>
>> I'm comparing, basically, their sensitivity and selectivity. The radio
>> that is frequency capable of 200mhz is also capable of hitting 4096QAM,
>> while the radio capable of operating in a 1GHz range of frequencies is
>> 256QAM capable.
>>
>> Basically, it's (the 256QAM radio) sensitivity at the same modulation and
>> the same power is wayy closer than I would expect it should be -
>> vastly different, and far cheaper components. TL;DR: I'm calling BS on the
>> data sheet :)
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Can you give specific examples?  Having a hard time understanding for
>>> sure the exact specs you're comparing.
>>>
>>> In relation to the thermal noise floor:  just reducing from 1000mz to
>>> 200mhz will gain you ~7db of noise floor.   But usually that's in a
>>> channel, not in the entire 'frequency agility' area.  Maybe they aren't all
>>> that selective within the 1Ghz bandwidth.
>>>
>>> I've never been able to find a chart of theoretical required s/n ratio
>>> for each of the QAM's so I can't comment on how much difference there is
>>> supposed to be - after all, with everything else being the same (channel,
>>> modulation, power, etc), 256QAM should definitely require a lower signal
>>> strength than a 4096QAM radio.They definitely shouldn't be the same
>>> with the same channel width, unless one radio is noisier or more
>>> susceptible to noise.
>>>
>>> And sensitivity should just be about the receiver, not the transmitter.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 9:20 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Can someone smarter than I fill me in on something? I'm comparing some
 radios here (no names...)

 One radio is 256 QAM, with a 1000mhz operating range

 Another one is 4096 QAM, with a 200mhz operating range

 Can you explain to me how the sensitivity on the 256QAM radio, at the
 same modulation rate, same (scaled) power level, claims to be with a
 single dB or two as sensitive as the 4096QAM radio with an 800mhz
 smaller operating range?

 Anyone?

 Thanks :)

 ---
 Josh Reynolds

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>>> 
>>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>>> 
>>>   
>>>
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] MTC Reflector Dish / Feed Horn For Mimosa?

2017-09-21 Thread Rory Conaway

They are lighter than most of the other options and have better noise isolation.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 7:27 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MTC Reflector Dish / Feed Horn For Mimosa?

There are a lot of different options for 5ghz dishes... I'm not sure why 
someone would want to use a connectorized reflector.

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 8:14 AM, Rory Conaway 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
Ah, my apologies.  Didn’t recognize the name.  I’m checking it out now  My 
biggest issue with the reflector dishes is that they have to be mounted on the 
top of a specific size J-pole.  We don’t always have that luxury in the field.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Christopher Gray
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 5:13 AM

To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MTC Reflector Dish / Feed Horn For Mimosa?

I did not mean MTI (but if you have a source for the MTI panel that is supposed 
to fit the C5c directly, I would be interested).

These are the MTC antennas:
https://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=5%2E8DP-26&o1=0
https://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=5%2E8DP-31&o1=0

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 12:43 AM, Rory Conaway 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
Chris, did you mean MTI?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Christopher Gray
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 9:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MTC Reflector Dish / Feed Horn For Mimosa?

I was not thinking of KP Performance, although they make a product as well.

I ended up finding them at Streakwave; there is a 26 dBi version and a 31 dBi 
version. They are not on the MTC website, so I'm not sure about whether they 
are still in production or if they are new.

On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 4:13 PM, Rory Conaway 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
You might be thinking of the KP Performance reflectors.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Christopher Gray
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 7:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] MTC Reflector Dish / Feed Horn For Mimosa?

I recently saw a post where someone said they were using a MTC Reflector Dish / 
Feed Horn combo for a Mimosa C5c. I can't seem to find the post or the product.

Is this something MTC makes or sells? If so, where can I find them?

Re: [AFMUG] MTC Reflector Dish / Feed Horn For Mimosa?

2017-09-21 Thread Mathew Howard

There are a lot of different options for 5ghz dishes... I'm not sure why
someone would want to use a connectorized reflector.

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 8:14 AM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

> Ah, my apologies.  Didn’t recognize the name.  I’m checking it out now  My
> biggest issue with the reflector dishes is that they have to be mounted on
> the top of a specific size J-pole.  We don’t always have that luxury in the
> field.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Christopher Gray
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 21, 2017 5:13 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] MTC Reflector Dish / Feed Horn For Mimosa?
>
>
>
> I did not mean MTI (but if you have a source for the MTI panel that is
> supposed to fit the C5c directly, I would be interested).
>
>
>
> These are the MTC antennas:
>
> https://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=5%2E8DP-26&o1=0
>
> https://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=5%2E8DP-31&o1=0
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 12:43 AM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
> Chris, did you mean MTI?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Christopher Gray
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 20, 2017 9:39 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] MTC Reflector Dish / Feed Horn For Mimosa?
>
>
>
> I was not thinking of KP Performance, although they make a product as
> well.
>
>
>
> I ended up finding them at Streakwave; there is a 26 dBi version and a 31
> dBi version. They are not on the MTC website, so I'm not sure about whether
> they are still in production or if they are new.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 4:13 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
> You might be thinking of the KP Performance reflectors.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Christopher Gray
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 20, 2017 7:54 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] MTC Reflector Dish / Feed Horn For Mimosa?
>
>
>
> I recently saw a post where someone said they were using a MTC Reflector
> Dish / Feed Horn combo for a Mimosa C5c. I can't seem to find the post or
> the product.
>
>
>
> Is this something MTC makes or sells? If so, where can I find them?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] MTC Reflector Dish / Feed Horn For Mimosa?

2017-09-21 Thread Chuck McCown

We don’t make those any more.  We can but we don’t.  Streakwave probably just 
has some stock.  

From: Christopher Gray 
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 6:13 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MTC Reflector Dish / Feed Horn For Mimosa?

I did not mean MTI (but if you have a source for the MTI panel that is supposed 
to fit the C5c directly, I would be interested).

These are the MTC antennas:
https://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=5%2E8DP-26&o1=0

https://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=5%2E8DP-31&o1=0

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 12:43 AM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

  Chris, did you mean MTI?

  Rory

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Gray
  Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 9:39 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MTC Reflector Dish / Feed Horn For Mimosa?

  I was not thinking of KP Performance, although they make a product as well. 

  I ended up finding them at Streakwave; there is a 26 dBi version and a 31 dBi 
version. They are not on the MTC website, so I'm not sure about whether they 
are still in production or if they are new.

  On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 4:13 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

  You might be thinking of the KP Performance reflectors.  

  Rory

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Gray
  Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 7:54 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] MTC Reflector Dish / Feed Horn For Mimosa?

  I recently saw a post where someone said they were using a MTC Reflector Dish 
/ Feed Horn combo for a Mimosa C5c. I can't seem to find the post or the 
product.

  Is this something MTC makes or sells? If so, where can I find them?

Re: [AFMUG] Speed Tests

2017-09-21 Thread Chuck McCown

These are great.  We may have other problems we don’t know about.  

From: Sterling Jacobson 
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 8:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speed Tests

Not sure if these attachments are going to come through, but here are my 
results tonight to my own speedtest.net server.

The slower one is from Chrome, the faster is from Edge.

Really can be a big difference in what browser (even version of browser) you 
are using…

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Utick
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 7:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speed Tests

This is from my laptop, wired into our switch a couple of hops away from our 
speedtest server.  The server is behind a Cisco ASA firewall to boot.  Laptop 
is a good i7 laptop.  So, it is very possible to do a gig with a single 
computer.

On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 2:28 PM, Al Rachide  wrote:

  We did a speed test on a full GIG DIA fiber line. It took THREE computers 
simultaneously, two with I5s and one with an I7 processor. All 3 had gigabit 
internet cards. We did indeed get a totwl throughput of 997mbit down and 
1003mbit up. But that was the combined total of all 3 computers running the 
speed test at the same time. We think the reality is that any one computer, no 
matter how powerful, can actually send or receive 1000mbit speed.  Al

  On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 3:38 PM,  wrote:

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From: Steve Jones 
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their power is like 80 or more percent out

On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 1:43 PM, Zach Underwood 
wrote:

> Also looks like his backbone is still online
>
> https://stat.ripe.net/14979#tabId=routing
>
> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 2:39 PM, Zach Underwood 
> wrote:
>
>> More than half of the prefix from PR are offline
>> https://stat.ripe.net/PR#tabId=routing
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 2:28 PM, SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>>
>>> Maria must have be giving you hell.
>>>
>>> No power on the island!!!
>>>
>>> Hold on and Good luck.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)
>> My website 
>> advance-networking.com
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)
> My website 
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Hard to find an app or appliance that will reliably show a customer the 
speed they are getting when it is above 100 Mbps.  We have increasingly more 
250, 500 and 1G customers and when they complain that speed test shows a lower 
number I need something to prove them wrong.  An average laptop does not cut it.

We have installed our own speedtest server with the ookla recommended 
hardware etc.  But it takes a pretty good computer that actually show a gig.  
Ditto iperf.  Be nice if there was some kind of handheld device that could do 
this.   There are all kinds of hand held computers designed to roll your own 
piece of test or control gear.  Just not sure what is important.

CPU speed
Memory size
PHY circuit
Memory type

I guess I should ask this question of ookla...
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Re: [AFMUG] Speedtests

2017-09-21 Thread Josh Luthman

But the clients are still running Windows XP with 512 MB of RAM on a 3x86...


Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Easy enough to try, thanks.
>
> *From:* Jesse DuPont
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 20, 2017 1:38 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Speedtests
>
> So, I installed an open source HTML5 speedtest app (link below) on an old
> Dell Optiplex 755 (Core 2 Duo, 2 GB RAM) that has a 1 Gbit interface and
> get 1 Gbps all day long. See attached proof from this morning. Works on
> IPv4 and IPv6. The Dell is running Fedora 18 32-bit, Apache2, PHP. Few
> tweaks to the NIC buffers and a couple of Apache settings and it was golden.
>
> https://github.com/adolfintel/speedtest
>
> *Jesse DuPont*
>
> Network Architect
> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
> Celerity Networks LLC
>
> Celerity Broadband LLC
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
>
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
> On 9/20/17 1:34 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Hard to find an app or appliance that will reliably show a customer the
> speed they are getting when it is above 100 Mbps.  We have increasingly
> more 250, 500 and 1G customers and when they complain that speed test shows
> a lower number I need something to prove them wrong.  An average laptop
> does not cut it.
>
> We have installed our own speedtest server with the ookla recommended
> hardware etc.  But it takes a pretty good computer that actually show a
> gig.  Ditto iperf.  Be nice if there was some kind of handheld device that
> could do this.   There are all kinds of hand held computers designed to
> roll your own piece of test or control gear.  Just not sure what is
> important.
>
> CPU speed
> Memory size
> PHY circuit
> Memory type
>
> I guess I should ask this question of ookla...
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] MTC Reflector Dish / Feed Horn For Mimosa?

2017-09-21 Thread Rory Conaway

Ah, my apologies.  Didn’t recognize the name.  I’m checking it out now  My 
biggest issue with the reflector dishes is that they have to be mounted on the 
top of a specific size J-pole.  We don’t always have that luxury in the field.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Gray
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 5:13 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MTC Reflector Dish / Feed Horn For Mimosa?

I did not mean MTI (but if you have a source for the MTI panel that is supposed 
to fit the C5c directly, I would be interested).

These are the MTC antennas:
https://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=5%2E8DP-26&o1=0
https://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=5%2E8DP-31&o1=0

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 12:43 AM, Rory Conaway 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
Chris, did you mean MTI?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Christopher Gray
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 9:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MTC Reflector Dish / Feed Horn For Mimosa?

I was not thinking of KP Performance, although they make a product as well.

I ended up finding them at Streakwave; there is a 26 dBi version and a 31 dBi 
version. They are not on the MTC website, so I'm not sure about whether they 
are still in production or if they are new.

On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 4:13 PM, Rory Conaway 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
You might be thinking of the KP Performance reflectors.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Christopher Gray
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 7:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] MTC Reflector Dish / Feed Horn For Mimosa?

I recently saw a post where someone said they were using a MTC Reflector Dish / 
Feed Horn combo for a Mimosa C5c. I can't seem to find the post or the product.

Is this something MTC makes or sells? If so, where can I find them?

Re: [AFMUG] Speed Tests

2017-09-21 Thread Joe Novak

A friend has had a lot of fun testing his 10g/10g. Drivers, and what kind
of bandwidth you have available on the PCI-E make all the difference, no
TCP tuning required beyond being on Windows 10.

The last card he had was PCI-E 2.0 x 4 lanes - this card had trouble around
2-3Gbit/s. The new card he moved to is PCI-E 3.0 x 4 - this he gets full
speed out of. It could be the lack of good driver support, but there isn't
anything conclusive he ever found.

10g is a finicky beast on Windows.

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 1:03 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> There are TCP/IP tuning things you may need to do to get around the
> bandwidth*delay product.
>
> When a TCP/IP session starts up, one of the things which is exchanged is
> the maximum 'receive window' and 'transmit window'.   This is effectively
> the maximum number of bits which can be in-flight at a given moment.
>
> The relevant formula here is windowsize=bandwidth * delay.
>
> For whatever reason my windows 10 machine seems to like to default to a
> window size of 65536, or 524288 bits.  Dividing this by for instance a
> delay (latency) of 5ms, you get just over 104Mb/s maximum.   Reducing the
> delay by half doubles the maximum.  Doubling the window size also doubles
> the maximum.
>
> Windows is supposed to auto-scale the window size.   In theory it is
> supposed to be able to adjust this all the way up to 16MB based on the
> default scaling value it uses.   (it probably can even be tweaked further).
>   This would result in around 3.4GB of throughput at 5ms delay.   I don't
> know how well this actually works though
>
> Of course there are two parts to this - *both* ends need to be configured
> to use the larger window sizes.I have found that often the server-end
> of these tests end up with a horribly small transmit window which tends to
> be the bottleneck.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Yeah, that is kinda what I am running in to.  There has to be a way
>> around it.  I posted this problem to ookla too.  Hopefully they will
>> respond.
>>
>> *From:* Al Rachide
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 20, 2017 2:28 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Speed Tests
>>
>> We did a speed test on a full GIG DIA fiber line. It took THREE computers
>> simultaneously, two with I5s and one with an I7 processor. All 3 had
>> gigabit internet cards. We did indeed get a totwl throughput of 997mbit
>> down and 1003mbit up. But that was the combined total of all 3 computers
>> running the speed test at the same time. We think the reality is that any
>> one computer, no matter how powerful, can actually send or receive 1000mbit
>> speed.  Al
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 3:38 PM,  wrote:
>>
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>>>1. Re: Hold on Gino (Steve Jones)
>>>2. Speedtests (Chuck McCown)
>>>3. Re: Speedtests (Jesse DuPont)
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 14:22:53 -0500
>>> From: Steve Jones 
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hold on Gino
>>> Message-ID:
>>> >> ail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>> their power is like 80 or more percent out
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 1:43 PM, Zach Underwood 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Also looks like his backbone is still online
>>> >
>>> > https://stat.ripe.net/14979#tabId=routing
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 2:39 PM, Zach Underwood 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> More than half of the prefix from PR are offline
>>> >> https://stat.ripe.net/PR#tabId=routing
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 2:28 PM, SmarterBroadband 
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Maria must have be giving you hell.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> No power on the island!!!
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Hold on and Good luck.
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)
>>> >> My website 
>>> >> advance-networking.com
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)
>>> > My website 
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>>> To: 
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Speedte

Re: [AFMUG] Speed Tests

2017-09-21 Thread Mike Hammett

Why are you still using the old version of speedtest.net? 

- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Sterling Jacobson"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 9:57:43 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speed Tests 

Not sure if these attachments are going to come through, but here are my 
results tonight to my own speedtest.net server. 

The slower one is from Chrome, the faster is from Edge. 

Really can be a big difference in what browser (even version of browser) you 
are using… 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Utick 
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 7:40 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speed Tests 

This is from my laptop, wired into our switch a couple of hops away from our 
speedtest server. The server is behind a Cisco ASA firewall to boot. Laptop is 
a good i7 laptop. So, it is very possible to do a gig with a single computer. 

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On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 2:28 PM, Al Rachide < alrach...@gmail.com > wrote: 

We did a speed test on a full GIG DIA fiber line. It took THREE computers 
simultaneously, two with I5s and one with an I7 processor. All 3 had gigabit 
internet cards. We did indeed get a totwl throughput of 997mbit down and 
1003mbit up. But that was the combined total of all 3 computers running the 
speed test at the same time. We think the reality is that any one computer, no 
matter how powerful, can actually send or receive 1000mbit speed. Al 

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1. Re: Hold on Gino (Steve Jones) 
2. Speedtests (Chuck McCown) 
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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 14:22:53 -0500 
From: Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > 
To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hold on Gino 
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their power is like 80 or more percent out 

On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 1:43 PM, Zach Underwood < zunder1...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 

> Also looks like his backbone is still online 
> 
> https://stat.ripe.net/14979#tabId=routing 
> 
> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 2:39 PM, Zach Underwood < zunder1...@gmail.com > 
> wrote: 
> 
>> More than half of the prefix from PR are offline 
>> https://stat.ripe.net/PR#tabId=routing 
>> 
>> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 2:28 PM, SmarterBroadband < li...@sbb.net > wrote: 
>> 
>>> Maria must have be giving you hell. 
>>> 
>>> No power on the island!!! 
>>> 
>>> Hold on and Good luck. 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> My website < http://zachunderwood.me > 
>> advance-networking.com 
>> 
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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 13:34:36 -0600 
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Hard to find an app or appliance that will reliably show a customer the speed 
they are getting when it is above 100 Mbps. We have increasingly more 250, 500 
and 1G customers and when they complain that speed test shows a lower number I 
need something to prove them wrong. An average laptop does not cut it. 

We have installed our own speedtest server with the ookla recommended hardware 
etc. But it takes a pretty good computer that actually show a gig. Ditto iperf. 
Be nice if there was some kind of handheld device that could do this. There are 
all kinds of hand held computers designed to roll your own piece of test or 
control gear. Just not sure what is important. 

CPU speed 
Memory size 
PHY circuit 
Memory type 

I guess I should ask this question of ookla... 
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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 13:38:23 -0600 
From: Jesse DuPont < jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
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Re: [AFMUG] radio specifications... HOW?

2017-09-21 Thread Josh Reynolds

I would rather not name the vendors at this time.

On Sep 21, 2017 2:30 AM, "Mitch Koep"  wrote:

> Josh
>
> Will you shall the radio info?
>
> Mitch
>
> On 9/21/2017 12:57 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> The frequency agility between the radios is 800 mhz. Vastly different
> radio filters.
> Both are capable of similar channel bandwidths.
> This is all done at MCS0 / QPSK
>
> I'm comparing, basically, their sensitivity and selectivity. The radio
> that is frequency capable of 200mhz is also capable of hitting 4096QAM,
> while the radio capable of operating in a 1GHz range of frequencies is
> 256QAM capable.
>
> Basically, it's (the 256QAM radio) sensitivity at the same modulation and
> the same power is wayy closer than I would expect it should be -
> vastly different, and far cheaper components. TL;DR: I'm calling BS on the
> data sheet :)
>
> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> Can you give specific examples?  Having a hard time understanding for
>> sure the exact specs you're comparing.
>>
>> In relation to the thermal noise floor:  just reducing from 1000mz to
>> 200mhz will gain you ~7db of noise floor.   But usually that's in a
>> channel, not in the entire 'frequency agility' area.  Maybe they aren't all
>> that selective within the 1Ghz bandwidth.
>>
>> I've never been able to find a chart of theoretical required s/n ratio
>> for each of the QAM's so I can't comment on how much difference there is
>> supposed to be - after all, with everything else being the same (channel,
>> modulation, power, etc), 256QAM should definitely require a lower signal
>> strength than a 4096QAM radio.They definitely shouldn't be the same
>> with the same channel width, unless one radio is noisier or more
>> susceptible to noise.
>>
>> And sensitivity should just be about the receiver, not the transmitter.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 9:20 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Can someone smarter than I fill me in on something? I'm comparing some
>>> radios here (no names...)
>>>
>>> One radio is 256 QAM, with a 1000mhz operating range
>>>
>>> Another one is 4096 QAM, with a 200mhz operating range
>>>
>>> Can you explain to me how the sensitivity on the 256QAM radio, at the
>>> same modulation rate, same (scaled) power level, claims to be with a
>>> single dB or two as sensitive as the 4096QAM radio with an 800mhz
>>> smaller operating range?
>>>
>>> Anyone?
>>>
>>> Thanks :)
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Josh Reynolds
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> 
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] MTC Reflector Dish / Feed Horn For Mimosa?

2017-09-21 Thread Christopher Gray

I did not mean MTI (but if you have a source for the MTI panel that is
supposed to fit the C5c directly, I would be interested).

These are the MTC antennas:
https://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=5%2E8DP-26&o1=0
https://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=5%2E8DP-31&o1=0





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On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 12:43 AM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

> Chris, did you mean MTI?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Christopher Gray
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 20, 2017 9:39 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] MTC Reflector Dish / Feed Horn For Mimosa?
>
>
>
> I was not thinking of KP Performance, although they make a product as
> well.
>
>
>
> I ended up finding them at Streakwave; there is a 26 dBi version and a 31
> dBi version. They are not on the MTC website, so I'm not sure about whether
> they are still in production or if they are new.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 4:13 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
> You might be thinking of the KP Performance reflectors.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Christopher Gray
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 20, 2017 7:54 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] MTC Reflector Dish / Feed Horn For Mimosa?
>
>
>
> I recently saw a post where someone said they were using a MTC Reflector
> Dish / Feed Horn combo for a Mimosa C5c. I can't seem to find the post or
> the product.
>
>
>
> Is this something MTC makes or sells? If so, where can I find them?
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] radio specifications... HOW?

2017-09-21 Thread Mitch Koep


Josh

Will you shall the radio info?

Mitch


On 9/21/2017 12:57 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
The frequency agility between the radios is 800 mhz. Vastly different 
radio filters.

Both are capable of similar channel bandwidths.
This is all done at MCS0 / QPSK

I'm comparing, basically, their sensitivity and selectivity. The radio 
that is frequency capable of 200mhz is also capable of hitting 
4096QAM, while the radio capable of operating in a 1GHz range of 
frequencies is 256QAM capable.


Basically, it's (the 256QAM radio) sensitivity at the same modulation 
and the same power is wayy closer than I would expect it should 
be - vastly different, and far cheaper components. TL;DR: I'm calling 
BS on the data sheet :)


On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:


Can you give specific examples?  Having a hard time understanding
for sure the exact specs you're comparing.

In relation to the thermal noise floor:  just reducing from 1000mz
to 200mhz will gain you ~7db of noise floor.   But usually that's
in a channel, not in the entire 'frequency agility' area.  Maybe
they aren't all that selective within the 1Ghz bandwidth.

I've never been able to find a chart of theoretical required s/n
ratio for each of the QAM's so I can't comment on how much
difference there is supposed to be - after all, with everything
else being the same (channel, modulation, power, etc), 256QAM
should definitely require a lower signal strength than a 4096QAM
radio.  They definitely shouldn't be the same with the same
channel width, unless one radio is noisier or more susceptible to
noise.

And sensitivity should just be about the receiver, not the
transmitter.

On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 9:20 PM, Josh Reynolds
mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:

Can someone smarter than I fill me in on something? I'm
comparing some
radios here (no names...)

One radio is 256 QAM, with a 1000mhz operating range

Another one is 4096 QAM, with a 200mhz operating range

Can you explain to me how the sensitivity on the 256QAM radio,
at the
same modulation rate, same (scaled) power level, claims to be
with a
single dB or two as sensitive as the 4096QAM radio with an 800mhz
smaller operating range?

Anyone?

Thanks :)

---
Josh Reynolds




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*Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT
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