[AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I'm not really even sure what to say.  This keeps getting worse and worse
as more details come in.

A different festival on a different night and I could have been among the
crowd.  Makes it even more real.

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Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Josh Reynolds]

I have a co-worker who is there on a vacation for his birthday until
Wednesday. Haven't heard from him yet.

On Oct 2, 2017 5:51 AM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

I'm not really even sure what to say.  This keeps getting worse and worse
as more details come in.

A different festival on a different night and I could have been among the
crowd.  Makes it even more real.

-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602

forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Jaime Solorza]

Yes..no word s

On Oct 2, 2017 4:51 AM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> I'm not really even sure what to say.  This keeps getting worse and worse
> as more details come in.
>
> A different festival on a different night and I could have been among the
> crowd.  Makes it even more real.
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> 
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Jaime Solorza]

Sounded like automatic weapons on NPR report.

On Oct 2, 2017 5:16 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Yes..no word s
>
> On Oct 2, 2017 4:51 AM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm not really even sure what to say.  This keeps getting worse and worse
>> as more details come in.
>>
>> A different festival on a different night and I could have been among the
>> crowd.  Makes it even more real.
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> 
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Josh Reynolds]

There's video all over youtube, Twitter, and Instagram. I was watching the
/r/live reddit thread as it was happening.

On Oct 2, 2017 6:25 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Sounded like automatic weapons on NPR report.
>
> On Oct 2, 2017 5:16 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:
>
>> Yes..no word s
>>
>> On Oct 2, 2017 4:51 AM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not really even sure what to say.  This keeps getting worse and
>>> worse as more details come in.
>>>
>>> A different festival on a different night and I could have been among
>>> the crowd.  Makes it even more real.
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>>> 
>>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>>> 
>>>   
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Lewis Bergman]

Yea, I was listening to that same NPR report and it was definitely either
one automatic or several disciplined semi automatics. Find that hard to
believe. It is possible to fire a semi that fast but from that distance I
wouldn't think he would be hitting that much. Maybe because it was so
crowded he was able to hit without aiming.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:34 AM Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> There's video all over youtube, Twitter, and Instagram. I was watching the
> /r/live reddit thread as it was happening.
>
> On Oct 2, 2017 6:25 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:
>
>> Sounded like automatic weapons on NPR report.
>>
> On Oct 2, 2017 5:16 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:
>>
> Yes..no word s
>>>
>>> On Oct 2, 2017 4:51 AM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
>>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>>
 I'm not really even sure what to say.  This keeps getting worse and
 worse as more details come in.

 A different festival on a different night and I could have been among
 the crowd.  Makes it even more real.

 --
 *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
 Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
 
 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
 
   

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Simon Westlake]

My guess is that he had something like this: http://www.slidefire.com/videos

On 10/2/2017 7:46 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
Yea, I was listening to that same NPR report and it was definitely 
either one automatic or several disciplined semi automatics. Find that 
hard to believe. It is possible to fire a semi that fast but from that 
distance I wouldn't think he would be hitting that much. Maybe because 
it was so crowded he was able to hit without aiming.


On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:34 AM Josh Reynolds > wrote:


There's video all over youtube, Twitter, and Instagram. I was
watching the /r/live reddit thread as it was happening.

On Oct 2, 2017 6:25 AM, "Jaime Solorza" mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Sounded like automatic weapons on NPR report.

On Oct 2, 2017 5:16 AM, "Jaime Solorza"
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

Yes..no word s

On Oct 2, 2017 4:51 AM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)"
mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:

I'm not really even sure what to say.  This keeps
getting worse and worse as more details come in.

A different festival on a different night and I could
have been among the crowd.  Makes it even more real.

-- 
*Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road,
Helena, MT 59602


forre...@imach.com  |
http://www.packetflux.com 







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Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
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Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 - IPv6 Box

[Dennis Burgess]

This is a box that does the IPv6 to 4 translations, allowing you to have IPv6 
ONLY and still get to the IPv4 world.  That’s about it ☺


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MikroTik Certified 
Trainer/Consultant
 – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Sunday, October 1, 2017 6:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 - IPv6 Box

I have more customers than public IPv4 addresses, so yeah, NAT is already in 
place. Planning on putting IPv6 on top of it. AKA dual stack. No DNS tricks 
needed. No out-of-WISP-budget core routing/NAT h/w needed.

If you're going to start handing out private IPv4 addresses to customers, do 
yourself a favor now and use the 100.64.0.0/10 CG-NAT pool. So if a customer 
BYOD's, you shouldn't have to worry about them going into bridge mode as could 
possibly happen when they detect a regular RFC1918 WAN address. Some Apple and 
Netgear stuff is known to do this. But if you're doing something like Calix 
844's and don't give the customer a choice (or they don't get a choice in the 
case of the 844GE or outdoor NIDs), then maybe this doesn't matter to you.
On 10/1/2017 5:55 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I don’t care which solution I use, but I need the following:
We can cease to acquire new IPV4 addresses.
Able to access IPV4 addresses if there is no V6 DNS for a URL.
Customers apps will work flawlessly.

So, I do not want to dual stack if it means I have to keep getting more V4 
addresses.
If I can use private IP space for dual stack, fine.

From: George Skorup
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2017 4:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 - IPv6 Box

What does that "box" do that DNS64+NAT64 doesn't?

What's the resistance to regular old dual stack, even if you gotta do IPv4 
NAT/CGN due to lack of address space?

I'd be hesitant with DNS64/NAT64 w/ IPv6 only clients simply because of dumb 
customer devices. Dual-stack seems to be the safer, less headache prone 
approach. Especially the NAT64 thing, since I don't want to buy Juniper and the 
like, because I'm cheap. If MikroTik would support it, then maybe.
On 10/1/2017 4:26 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Chuck has asked about an IPv4 - IPv6 box. I don't know anything about it other 
than what's on their web site, but I came across this.


https://retevia.net/


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Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Cameron Crum]

Was going to say...bump stop devices can make a semi-auto seem like a full
auto.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 7:56 AM, Simon Westlake  wrote:

> My guess is that he had something like this: http://www.slidefire.com/
> videos
>
>
> On 10/2/2017 7:46 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> Yea, I was listening to that same NPR report and it was definitely either
> one automatic or several disciplined semi automatics. Find that hard to
> believe. It is possible to fire a semi that fast but from that distance I
> wouldn't think he would be hitting that much. Maybe because it was so
> crowded he was able to hit without aiming.
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:34 AM Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>
>> There's video all over youtube, Twitter, and Instagram. I was watching
>> the /r/live reddit thread as it was happening.
>>
>> On Oct 2, 2017 6:25 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sounded like automatic weapons on NPR report.
>>>
>> On Oct 2, 2017 5:16 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>> Yes..no word s

 On Oct 2, 2017 4:51 AM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
 li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> I'm not really even sure what to say.  This keeps getting worse and
> worse as more details come in.
>
> A different festival on a different night and I could have been among
> the crowd.  Makes it even more real.
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> 
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
> 
>   
>
>
> --
> Simon Westlake
> Email: simon@sonar.software
> Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
> ---
> Sonar Software Inc
> The future of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Robert]

A best friend and his brother were there and had bullets wizzing by him 
and hitting the ground around him and had people falling around him.


On 10/2/17 4:12 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
I have a co-worker who is there on a vacation for his birthday until 
Wednesday. Haven't heard from him yet.


On Oct 2, 2017 5:51 AM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:


I'm not really even sure what to say.  This keeps getting worse and
worse as more details come in.

A different festival on a different night and I could have been
among the crowd.  Makes it even more real.

-- 
*Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602


forre...@imach.com  |
http://www.packetflux.com 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Jay Weekley]

A week later and some of us may have been at the concert.

Robert wrote:
A best friend and his brother were there and had bullets wizzing by 
him and hitting the ground around him and had people falling around him.


On 10/2/17 4:12 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
I have a co-worker who is there on a vacation for his birthday until 
Wednesday. Haven't heard from him yet.


On Oct 2, 2017 5:51 AM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:


I'm not really even sure what to say.  This keeps getting worse and
worse as more details come in.

A different festival on a different night and I could have been
among the crowd.  Makes it even more real.

-- *Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602

forre...@imach.com  |
http://www.packetflux.com 

 





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Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Kurt Fankhauser]

I wonder if attendance to the WISPA show will be down from this

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Jay Weekley 
wrote:

> A week later and some of us may have been at the concert.
>
> Robert wrote:
>
>> A best friend and his brother were there and had bullets wizzing by him
>> and hitting the ground around him and had people falling around him.
>>
>> On 10/2/17 4:12 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>
>>> I have a co-worker who is there on a vacation for his birthday until
>>> Wednesday. Haven't heard from him yet.
>>>
>>> On Oct 2, 2017 5:51 AM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
>>> li...@packetflux.com > wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm not really even sure what to say.  This keeps getting worse and
>>> worse as more details come in.
>>>
>>> A different festival on a different night and I could have been
>>> among the crowd.  Makes it even more real.
>>>
>>> -- *Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./
>>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>>> >> MT+59602&entry=gmail&source=g>
>>> forre...@imach.com  |
>>> http://www.packetflux.com 
>>> 
>>>  
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Robert]

They are saying a full-auto .308 cartridge weapon(s)...  This guy had 2 
airplanes, Hi Roller suite, not insignificant financial position.. 
Probably access to a lot more.   Not in any category of mass murderer in 
recent history...  Unless he was related to the Bundy faction? 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_standoff


On 10/2/17 5:56 AM, Simon Westlake wrote:

My guess is that he had something like this: http://www.slidefire.com/videos

On 10/2/2017 7:46 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
Yea, I was listening to that same NPR report and it was definitely 
either one automatic or several disciplined semi automatics. Find that 
hard to believe. It is possible to fire a semi that fast but from that 
distance I wouldn't think he would be hitting that much. Maybe because 
it was so crowded he was able to hit without aiming.


On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:34 AM Josh Reynolds > wrote:


There's video all over youtube, Twitter, and Instagram. I was
watching the /r/live reddit thread as it was happening.

On Oct 2, 2017 6:25 AM, "Jaime Solorza" mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Sounded like automatic weapons on NPR report.

On Oct 2, 2017 5:16 AM, "Jaime Solorza"
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

Yes..no word s

On Oct 2, 2017 4:51 AM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)"
mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:

I'm not really even sure what to say.  This keeps
getting worse and worse as more details come in.

A different festival on a different night and I could
have been among the crowd.  Makes it even more real.

-- 
*Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road,
Helena, MT 59602


forre...@imach.com  |
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Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Mike Hammett]

It would be irrational to change your plans, but we're all just people. 




- 
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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

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From: "Kurt Fankhauser"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, October 2, 2017 9:44:58 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting 


I wonder if attendance to the WISPA show will be down from this 


On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Jay Weekley < par...@cyberbroadband.net > 
wrote: 


A week later and some of us may have been at the concert. 

Robert wrote: 




A best friend and his brother were there and had bullets wizzing by him and 
hitting the ground around him and had people falling around him. 

On 10/2/17 4:12 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: 


I have a co-worker who is there on a vacation for his birthday until Wednesday. 
Haven't heard from him yet. 

On Oct 2, 2017 5:51 AM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" < 
li...@packetflux.com > wrote: 

I'm not really even sure what to say. This keeps getting worse and 
worse as more details come in. 

A different festival on a different night and I could have been 
among the crowd. Makes it even more real. 

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Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Simon Westlake]

That is pretty nuts.

On 10/2/2017 9:45 AM, Robert wrote:
They are saying a full-auto .308 cartridge weapon(s)...  This guy had 
2 airplanes, Hi Roller suite, not insignificant financial position.. 
Probably access to a lot more.   Not in any category of mass murderer 
in recent history...  Unless he was related to the Bundy faction? 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_standoff


On 10/2/17 5:56 AM, Simon Westlake wrote:
My guess is that he had something like this: 
http://www.slidefire.com/videos


On 10/2/2017 7:46 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
Yea, I was listening to that same NPR report and it was definitely 
either one automatic or several disciplined semi automatics. Find 
that hard to believe. It is possible to fire a semi that fast but 
from that distance I wouldn't think he would be hitting that much. 
Maybe because it was so crowded he was able to hit without aiming.


On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:34 AM Josh Reynolds > wrote:


    There's video all over youtube, Twitter, and Instagram. I was
    watching the /r/live reddit thread as it was happening.

    On Oct 2, 2017 6:25 AM, "Jaime Solorza" mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

    Sounded like automatic weapons on NPR report.

    On Oct 2, 2017 5:16 AM, "Jaime Solorza"
    mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
    wrote:

    Yes..no word s

    On Oct 2, 2017 4:51 AM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)"
    mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:

    I'm not really even sure what to say.  This keeps
    getting worse and worse as more details come in.

    A different festival on a different night and I could
    have been among the crowd.  Makes it even more real.

    --     *Forrest Christian* /CEO//, 
PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./

    Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road,
    Helena, MT 59602

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Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Jay Weekley]

I won't be surprised if there were baggage checks at the casino.

Mike Hammett wrote:

It would be irrational to change your plans, but we're all just people.



-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

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*From: *"Kurt Fankhauser" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Monday, October 2, 2017 9:44:58 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

I wonder if attendance to the WISPA show will be down from this

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Jay Weekley 
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:


A week later and some of us may have been at the concert.

Robert wrote:

A best friend and his brother were there and had bullets
wizzing by him and hitting the ground around him and had
people falling around him.

On 10/2/17 4:12 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

I have a co-worker who is there on a vacation for his
birthday until Wednesday. Haven't heard from him yet.

On Oct 2, 2017 5:51 AM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)"
mailto:li...@packetflux.com>
>> wrote:

I'm not really even sure what to say.  This keeps
getting worse and
worse as more details come in.

A different festival on a different night and I could
have been
among the crowd.  Makes it even more real.

-- *Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux
Technologies, Inc./
Tel: 406-449-3345  | Address: 3577
Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602


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Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Robert]

Expect metal detectors going in immediately...

On 10/2/17 7:56 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

I won't be surprised if there were baggage checks at the casino.

Mike Hammett wrote:

It would be irrational to change your plans, but we're all just people.



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*From: *"Kurt Fankhauser" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Monday, October 2, 2017 9:44:58 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

I wonder if attendance to the WISPA show will be down from this

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Jay Weekley 
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:


    A week later and some of us may have been at the concert.

    Robert wrote:

    A best friend and his brother were there and had bullets
    wizzing by him and hitting the ground around him and had
    people falling around him.

    On 10/2/17 4:12 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

    I have a co-worker who is there on a vacation for his
    birthday until Wednesday. Haven't heard from him yet.

    On Oct 2, 2017 5:51 AM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)"
    mailto:li...@packetflux.com>
    >> wrote:

    I'm not really even sure what to say.  This keeps
    getting worse and
    worse as more details come in.

    A different festival on a different night and I could
    have been
    among the crowd.  Makes it even more real.

    -- *Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux
    Technologies, Inc./
    Tel: 406-449-3345  | Address: 3577
    Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602

 


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Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Jaime Solorza]

Bet you surveillance footage is getting analyzed.  I am aware guns can be
disassembled to fit in suitcase or travel bags...but 10 guns if report is
accurate...wow.

On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 AM, "Robert"  wrote:

> Expect metal detectors going in immediately...
>
> On 10/2/17 7:56 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>
>> I won't be surprised if there were baggage checks at the casino.
>>
>> Mike Hammett wrote:
>>
>>> It would be irrational to change your plans, but we're all just people.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> 
>>> *From: *"Kurt Fankhauser" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Monday, October 2, 2017 9:44:58 AM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
>>>
>>> I wonder if attendance to the WISPA show will be down from this
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Jay Weekley >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> A week later and some of us may have been at the concert.
>>>
>>> Robert wrote:
>>>
>>> A best friend and his brother were there and had bullets
>>> wizzing by him and hitting the ground around him and had
>>> people falling around him.
>>>
>>> On 10/2/17 4:12 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a co-worker who is there on a vacation for his
>>> birthday until Wednesday. Haven't heard from him yet.
>>>
>>> On Oct 2, 2017 5:51 AM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)"
>>> mailto:li...@packetflux.com>
>>> >> >> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm not really even sure what to say.  This keeps
>>> getting worse and
>>> worse as more details come in.
>>>
>>> A different festival on a different night and I could
>>> have been
>>> among the crowd.  Makes it even more real.
>>>
>>> -- *Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux
>>> Technologies, Inc./
>>> Tel: 406-449-3345  | Address: 3577
>>> Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>>> >> MT+59602&entry=gmail&source=g>
>>> forre...@imach.com 
>>> > |
>>> http://www.packetflux.com 
>>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 - IPv6 Box

[Chuck McCown]

And that is what I need.  We have about 6000 fiber customers and will probably 
have 10,000 in the next 5 years.  We want to stop buying V4 addresses.  

From: Dennis Burgess 
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 7:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 - IPv6 Box

This is a box that does the IPv6 to 4 translations, allowing you to have IPv6 
ONLY and still get to the IPv4 world.  That’s about it J  

 

 

Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant 

MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

 

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net

Radio Frequency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com 

Office: 314-735-0270

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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Sunday, October 1, 2017 6:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 - IPv6 Box

 

I have more customers than public IPv4 addresses, so yeah, NAT is already in 
place. Planning on putting IPv6 on top of it. AKA dual stack. No DNS tricks 
needed. No out-of-WISP-budget core routing/NAT h/w needed.

If you're going to start handing out private IPv4 addresses to customers, do 
yourself a favor now and use the 100.64.0.0/10 CG-NAT pool. So if a customer 
BYOD's, you shouldn't have to worry about them going into bridge mode as could 
possibly happen when they detect a regular RFC1918 WAN address. Some Apple and 
Netgear stuff is known to do this. But if you're doing something like Calix 
844's and don't give the customer a choice (or they don't get a choice in the 
case of the 844GE or outdoor NIDs), then maybe this doesn't matter to you.

On 10/1/2017 5:55 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  I don’t care which solution I use, but I need the following:

  We can cease to acquire new IPV4 addresses.

  Able to access IPV4 addresses if there is no V6 DNS for a URL.

  Customers apps will work flawlessly.  

   

  So, I do not want to dual stack if it means I have to keep getting more V4 
addresses.

  If I can use private IP space for dual stack, fine.  

   

  From: George Skorup 

  Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2017 4:32 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 - IPv6 Box

   

  What does that "box" do that DNS64+NAT64 doesn't?

  What's the resistance to regular old dual stack, even if you gotta do IPv4 
NAT/CGN due to lack of address space?

  I'd be hesitant with DNS64/NAT64 w/ IPv6 only clients simply because of dumb 
customer devices. Dual-stack seems to be the safer, less headache prone 
approach. Especially the NAT64 thing, since I don't want to buy Juniper and the 
like, because I'm cheap. If MikroTik would support it, then maybe.

  On 10/1/2017 4:26 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Chuck has asked about an IPv4 - IPv6 box. I don't know anything about it 
other than what's on their web site, but I came across this.


https://retevia.net/



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP





   

 

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Steve Jones]

10 rifles and 10k rounds isnt alot of real estate for travel luggage
transport

On Oct 2, 2017 10:35 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

Bet you surveillance footage is getting analyzed.  I am aware guns can be
disassembled to fit in suitcase or travel bags...but 10 guns if report is
accurate...wow.

On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 AM, "Robert"  wrote:

> Expect metal detectors going in immediately...
>
> On 10/2/17 7:56 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>
>> I won't be surprised if there were baggage checks at the casino.
>>
>> Mike Hammett wrote:
>>
>>> It would be irrational to change your plans, but we're all just people.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> >> telligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>>> company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> >> /company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> *From: *"Kurt Fankhauser" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Monday, October 2, 2017 9:44:58 AM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
>>>
>>> I wonder if attendance to the WISPA show will be down from this
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Jay Weekley >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> A week later and some of us may have been at the concert.
>>>
>>> Robert wrote:
>>>
>>> A best friend and his brother were there and had bullets
>>> wizzing by him and hitting the ground around him and had
>>> people falling around him.
>>>
>>> On 10/2/17 4:12 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a co-worker who is there on a vacation for his
>>> birthday until Wednesday. Haven't heard from him yet.
>>>
>>> On Oct 2, 2017 5:51 AM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)"
>>> mailto:li...@packetflux.com>
>>> >> >> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm not really even sure what to say.  This keeps
>>> getting worse and
>>> worse as more details come in.
>>>
>>> A different festival on a different night and I could
>>> have been
>>> among the crowd.  Makes it even more real.
>>>
>>> -- *Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux
>>> Technologies, Inc./
>>> Tel: 406-449-3345  | Address: 3577
>>> 
>>>
>>> Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>>> >> T+59602&entry=gmail&source=g>
>>> forre...@imach.com 
>>> > |
>>> http://www.packetflux.com 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Lewis Bergman]

I have never been asked any questions coming in and out of Vegas hotels.
There are so many conventions they are used to people who don't like
storing all their expensive gear in the conference room or whatever.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:49 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> 10 rifles and 10k rounds isnt alot of real estate for travel luggage
> transport
>
> On Oct 2, 2017 10:35 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
> Bet you surveillance footage is getting analyzed.  I am aware guns can be
> disassembled to fit in suitcase or travel bags...but 10 guns if report is
> accurate...wow.
>
> On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 AM, "Robert"  wrote:
>
> Expect metal detectors going in immediately...
>>
>> On 10/2/17 7:56 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>
>>> I won't be surprised if there were baggage checks at the casino.
>>>
>>> Mike Hammett wrote:
>>>
 It would be irrational to change your plans, but we're all just people.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 <
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
 Midwest Internet Exchange 
 <
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><
 https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
 The Brothers WISP 
 


 
 
 *From: *"Kurt Fankhauser" 
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Monday, October 2, 2017 9:44:58 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

 I wonder if attendance to the WISPA show will be down from this

 On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Jay Weekley >>> > wrote:

 A week later and some of us may have been at the concert.

 Robert wrote:

 A best friend and his brother were there and had bullets
 wizzing by him and hitting the ground around him and had
 people falling around him.

 On 10/2/17 4:12 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

 I have a co-worker who is there on a vacation for his
 birthday until Wednesday. Haven't heard from him yet.

 On Oct 2, 2017 5:51 AM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)"
 mailto:li...@packetflux.com>
 >> wrote:

 I'm not really even sure what to say.  This keeps
 getting worse and
 worse as more details come in.

 A different festival on a different night and I could
 have been
 among the crowd.  Makes it even more real.

 -- *Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux
 Technologies, Inc./
 Tel: 406-449-3345  | Address: 3577
 

 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
 <
 https://maps.google.com/?q=3577+Countryside+Road,+Helena,+MT+59602&entry=gmail&source=g>

 forre...@imach.com 
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 http://www.packetflux.com 
 
 
 




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Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Cameron Crum]

ISIS is claiming he was a recent convert and they are responsible, not
verified yet, but if true is pretty scary.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> I have never been asked any questions coming in and out of Vegas hotels.
> There are so many conventions they are used to people who don't like
> storing all their expensive gear in the conference room or whatever.
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:49 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> 10 rifles and 10k rounds isnt alot of real estate for travel luggage
>> transport
>>
>> On Oct 2, 2017 10:35 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Bet you surveillance footage is getting analyzed.  I am aware guns can be
>> disassembled to fit in suitcase or travel bags...but 10 guns if report is
>> accurate...wow.
>>
>> On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 AM, "Robert"  wrote:
>>
>> Expect metal detectors going in immediately...
>>>
>>> On 10/2/17 7:56 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>>
 I won't be surprised if there were baggage checks at the casino.

 Mike Hammett wrote:

> It would be irrational to change your plans, but we're all just people.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>  IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>  linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> 
> 
> *From: *"Kurt Fankhauser" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, October 2, 2017 9:44:58 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
>
> I wonder if attendance to the WISPA show will be down from this
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Jay Weekley <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net > wrote:
>
> A week later and some of us may have been at the concert.
>
> Robert wrote:
>
> A best friend and his brother were there and had bullets
> wizzing by him and hitting the ground around him and had
> people falling around him.
>
> On 10/2/17 4:12 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> I have a co-worker who is there on a vacation for his
> birthday until Wednesday. Haven't heard from him yet.
>
> On Oct 2, 2017 5:51 AM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)"
> mailto:li...@packetflux.com>
>  >> wrote:
>
> I'm not really even sure what to say.  This keeps
> getting worse and
> worse as more details come in.
>
> A different festival on a different night and I could
> have been
> among the crowd.  Makes it even more real.
>
> -- *Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux
> Technologies, Inc./
> Tel: 406-449-3345  | Address: 3577
> 
>
> Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>  +MT+59602&entry=gmail&source=g>
> forre...@imach.com 
> > |
> http://www.packetflux.com 
> 
> 
> 
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Robert]

FBI says no...

On 10/2/17 9:09 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
ISIS is claiming he was a recent convert and they are responsible, not 
verified yet, but if true is pretty scary.


On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Lewis Bergman > wrote:


I have never been asked any questions coming in and out of Vegas
hotels. There are so many conventions they are used to people who
don't like storing all their expensive gear in the conference room
or whatever.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:49 AM Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

10 rifles and 10k rounds isnt alot of real estate for travel
luggage transport

On Oct 2, 2017 10:35 AM, "Jaime Solorza"
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

Bet you surveillance footage is getting analyzed.  I am
aware guns can be disassembled to fit in suitcase or travel
bags...but 10 guns if report is accurate...wow. 


On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 AM, "Robert" mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:

Expect metal detectors going in immediately...

On 10/2/17 7:56 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

I won't be surprised if there were baggage checks at
the casino.

Mike Hammett wrote:

It would be irrational to change your plans, but
we're all just people.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

>>>>
Midwest Internet Exchange

>>>
The Brothers WISP
>
>



>


*From: *"Kurt Fankhauser"
mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>>
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Monday, October 2, 2017 9:44:58 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

I wonder if attendance to the WISPA show will be
down from this

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Jay Weekley
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>
>> wrote:

     A week later and some of us may have been
at the concert.

     Robert wrote:

     A best friend and his brother were
there and had bullets
     wizzing by him and hitting the ground
around him and had
     people falling around him.

     On 10/2/17 4:12 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

     I have a co-worker who is there on
a vacation for his
     birthday until Wednesday. Haven't
heard from him yet.

     On Oct 2, 2017 5:51 AM, "Forrest
Christian (List Account)"
     mailto:li...@packetflux.com>
>
     
 

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Cameron Crum]

Well that is some relief.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Robert  wrote:

> FBI says no...
>
> On 10/2/17 9:09 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
>> ISIS is claiming he was a recent convert and they are responsible, not
>> verified yet, but if true is pretty scary.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Lewis Bergman > > wrote:
>>
>> I have never been asked any questions coming in and out of Vegas
>> hotels. There are so many conventions they are used to people who
>> don't like storing all their expensive gear in the conference room
>> or whatever.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:49 AM Steve Jones
>> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> 10 rifles and 10k rounds isnt alot of real estate for travel
>> luggage transport
>>
>> On Oct 2, 2017 10:35 AM, "Jaime Solorza"
>> mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Bet you surveillance footage is getting analyzed.  I am
>> aware guns can be disassembled to fit in suitcase or travel
>> bags...but 10 guns if report is accurate...wow.
>> On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 AM, "Robert" > > wrote:
>>
>> Expect metal detectors going in immediately...
>>
>> On 10/2/17 7:56 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>
>> I won't be surprised if there were baggage checks at
>> the casino.
>>
>> Mike Hammett wrote:
>>
>> It would be irrational to change your plans, but
>> we're all just people.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> 
>> > ><
>> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
>> > lligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>>> company/intelligent-computing-solutions
>> > any/intelligent-computing-solutions>>> >
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> 
>> > ><
>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange
>> > any/midwest-internet-exchange>>> >
>> The Brothers WISP
>> > >
>> > >
>>
>>
>> > el/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg
>> > el/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>>
>> --
>> --
>> *From: *"Kurt Fankhauser"
>> > >
>> *To: *af@afmug.com 
>> *Sent: *Monday, October 2, 2017 9:44:58 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
>>
>> I wonder if attendance to the WISPA show will be
>> down from this
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Jay Weekley
>> > 
>> >
>> >> wrote:
>>
>>  A week later and some of us may have been
>> at the concert.
>>
>>  Robert wrote:
>>
>>  A best friend and his brother were
>> there and had bullets
>>  wizzing by him and hitting the ground
>> around him and had
>>  people falling around him.
>>
>>  On 10/2/17 4:12 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>
>>  I have a co-worker who is there on
>> a vacation for his
>>  birthday until Wednesday. Haven't
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Jaime Solorza]

Well crazy is crazy no matter what.  I don't care what allegiance they
claim..this was a massacre committed by a fucked up person.  People died
for no good reason.  As much heat as I will take for this, easy access to
guns has got to change.  Fuck the politics.

On Oct 2, 2017 10:10 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:

Well that is some relief.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Robert  wrote:

> FBI says no...
>
> On 10/2/17 9:09 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
>> ISIS is claiming he was a recent convert and they are responsible, not
>> verified yet, but if true is pretty scary.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Lewis Bergman > > wrote:
>>
>> I have never been asked any questions coming in and out of Vegas
>> hotels. There are so many conventions they are used to people who
>> don't like storing all their expensive gear in the conference room
>> or whatever.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:49 AM Steve Jones
>> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> 10 rifles and 10k rounds isnt alot of real estate for travel
>> luggage transport
>>
>> On Oct 2, 2017 10:35 AM, "Jaime Solorza"
>> mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Bet you surveillance footage is getting analyzed.  I am
>> aware guns can be disassembled to fit in suitcase or travel
>> bags...but 10 guns if report is accurate...wow.
>> On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 AM, "Robert" > > wrote:
>>
>> Expect metal detectors going in immediately...
>>
>> On 10/2/17 7:56 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>
>> I won't be surprised if there were baggage checks at
>> the casino.
>>
>> Mike Hammett wrote:
>>
>> It would be irrational to change your plans, but
>> we're all just people.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> 
>> > ><
>> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
>> > lligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>>> ompany/intelligent-computing-solutions
>> > any/intelligent-computing-solutions>>>
>> >
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> 
>> > ><
>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange
>> > any/midwest-internet-exchange>>>
>> >
>> The Brothers WISP
>> > >
>> > >
>>
>>
>> > el/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg
>>
>> > el/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>>
>> --
>> --
>> *From: *"Kurt Fankhauser"
>> > >
>> *To: *af@afmug.com 
>>
>> *Sent: *Monday, October 2, 2017 9:44:58 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
>>
>> I wonder if attendance to the WISPA show will be
>> down from this
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Jay Weekley
>> > 
>> >
>> >> wrote:
>>
>>  A week later and some of us may have been
>> at the concert.
>>
>>  Robert wrote:
>>
>>  A best friend and his brother were
>> there and had bullets
>>  wizzing by him and hitting the ground
>> around him and had
>>  p

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Jeremy]

I had never seen these bump stop devices.  It is hard to believe that they
are legal, and do not require a machine gun license.  I expect that will
not last.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Well crazy is crazy no matter what.  I don't care what allegiance they
> claim..this was a massacre committed by a fucked up person.  People died
> for no good reason.  As much heat as I will take for this, easy access to
> guns has got to change.  Fuck the politics.
>
> On Oct 2, 2017 10:10 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:
>
> Well that is some relief.
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Robert  wrote:
>
>> FBI says no...
>>
>> On 10/2/17 9:09 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>>
>>> ISIS is claiming he was a recent convert and they are responsible, not
>>> verified yet, but if true is pretty scary.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Lewis Bergman >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> I have never been asked any questions coming in and out of Vegas
>>> hotels. There are so many conventions they are used to people who
>>> don't like storing all their expensive gear in the conference room
>>> or whatever.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:49 AM Steve Jones
>>> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 10 rifles and 10k rounds isnt alot of real estate for travel
>>> luggage transport
>>>
>>> On Oct 2, 2017 10:35 AM, "Jaime Solorza"
>>> mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Bet you surveillance footage is getting analyzed.  I am
>>> aware guns can be disassembled to fit in suitcase or travel
>>> bags...but 10 guns if report is accurate...wow.
>>> On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 AM, "Robert" >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Expect metal detectors going in immediately...
>>>
>>> On 10/2/17 7:56 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>>
>>> I won't be surprised if there were baggage checks at
>>> the casino.
>>>
>>> Mike Hammett wrote:
>>>
>>> It would be irrational to change your plans, but
>>> we're all just people.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> 
>>> >> ><
>>> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
>>> >> lligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>>>> ompany/intelligent-computing-solutions
>>> >> any/intelligent-computing-solutions>>>>
>>> >
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>> 
>>> >> ><
>>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange
>>> >> any/midwest-internet-exchange>>>>
>>> >
>>> The Brothers WISP
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>>
>>>
>>> >> el/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg
>>>
>>> >> el/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Kurt Fankhauser"
>>> >> >
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com 
>>>
>>> *Sent: *Monday, October 2, 2017 9:44:58 AM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
>>>
>>> I wonder if attendance to the WISPA show will be
>>> down from this
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Jay Weekley
>>> >> 
>>> >>
>>> >> wrote:
>>>
>>>  A week later and some of us may have been
>>> at th

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Cameron Crum]

After hearing the shots on some of the videos, it sounds more like full
auto. Typically the bump stop will only do a burst unless you are pretty
good with it. This was a little more rapid than what I've witnessed with
bump stops. It isn't that hard to get a full auto...just need a class 3
license, but you are heavily scrutinized, so not sure what laws would
prevent something like this.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:29 AM, Jeremy  wrote:

> I had never seen these bump stop devices.  It is hard to believe that they
> are legal, and do not require a machine gun license.  I expect that will
> not last.
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Well crazy is crazy no matter what.  I don't care what allegiance they
>> claim..this was a massacre committed by a fucked up person.  People died
>> for no good reason.  As much heat as I will take for this, easy access to
>> guns has got to change.  Fuck the politics.
>>
>> On Oct 2, 2017 10:10 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:
>>
>> Well that is some relief.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Robert  wrote:
>>
>>> FBI says no...
>>>
>>> On 10/2/17 9:09 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>>>
 ISIS is claiming he was a recent convert and they are responsible, not
 verified yet, but if true is pretty scary.

 On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Lewis Bergman >>> > wrote:

 I have never been asked any questions coming in and out of Vegas
 hotels. There are so many conventions they are used to people who
 don't like storing all their expensive gear in the conference room
 or whatever.

 On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:49 AM Steve Jones
 mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
 wrote:

 10 rifles and 10k rounds isnt alot of real estate for travel
 luggage transport

 On Oct 2, 2017 10:35 AM, "Jaime Solorza"
 mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>

 wrote:

 Bet you surveillance footage is getting analyzed.  I am
 aware guns can be disassembled to fit in suitcase or travel
 bags...but 10 guns if report is accurate...wow.
 On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 AM, "Robert" >>> > wrote:

 Expect metal detectors going in immediately...

 On 10/2/17 7:56 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

 I won't be surprised if there were baggage checks at
 the casino.

 Mike Hammett wrote:

 It would be irrational to change your plans, but
 we're all just people.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 
 ><
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 >>>
 Midwest Internet Exchange
 
 ><
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange
 >>
 The Brothers WISP
 >
 >


 >
 --
 --
 *From: *"Kurt Fankhauser"
 >>> >
 *To: *af@afmug.com 

 *Sent: *Monday, October 2, 2017 9:44:58 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Ma

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Darin Steffl]

Jaime,

I agree that guns need to be harder to purchase. I own plenty of guns and
it's way too easy! I wouldn't mind one but if they made it harder to
purchase one or go through a psychological evaluation for assault rifles
that can do lots of damage.

Damn it I'm sick of people caring more about their gun rights than the
rights of American citizens!!

Human life > easy gun ownership

On Oct 2, 2017 11:29 AM, "Jeremy"  wrote:

I had never seen these bump stop devices.  It is hard to believe that they
are legal, and do not require a machine gun license.  I expect that will
not last.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Well crazy is crazy no matter what.  I don't care what allegiance they
> claim..this was a massacre committed by a fucked up person.  People died
> for no good reason.  As much heat as I will take for this, easy access to
> guns has got to change.  Fuck the politics.
>
> On Oct 2, 2017 10:10 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:
>
> Well that is some relief.
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Robert  wrote:
>
>> FBI says no...
>>
>> On 10/2/17 9:09 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>>
>>> ISIS is claiming he was a recent convert and they are responsible, not
>>> verified yet, but if true is pretty scary.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Lewis Bergman >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> I have never been asked any questions coming in and out of Vegas
>>> hotels. There are so many conventions they are used to people who
>>> don't like storing all their expensive gear in the conference room
>>> or whatever.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:49 AM Steve Jones
>>> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 10 rifles and 10k rounds isnt alot of real estate for travel
>>> luggage transport
>>>
>>> On Oct 2, 2017 10:35 AM, "Jaime Solorza"
>>> mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Bet you surveillance footage is getting analyzed.  I am
>>> aware guns can be disassembled to fit in suitcase or travel
>>> bags...but 10 guns if report is accurate...wow.
>>> On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 AM, "Robert" >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Expect metal detectors going in immediately...
>>>
>>> On 10/2/17 7:56 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>>
>>> I won't be surprised if there were baggage checks at
>>> the casino.
>>>
>>> Mike Hammett wrote:
>>>
>>> It would be irrational to change your plans, but
>>> we're all just people.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> 
>>> >> ><
>>> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
>>> >> lligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>>>> ompany/intelligent-computing-solutions
>>> >> any/intelligent-computing-solutions>>>>
>>> >
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>> 
>>> >> ><
>>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange
>>> >> any/midwest-internet-exchange>>>>
>>> >
>>> The Brothers WISP
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>>
>>>
>>> >> el/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg
>>>
>>> >> el/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Kurt Fankhauser"
>>> >> >
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com 
>>>
>>> *Sent: *Monday, October 2, 2017 9:44:58 AM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
>>>
>>> I wonder if attendance to the WISPA show will be
>>> d

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Lewis Bergman]

While I won't get into gun politics I will say there are a bunch of
extremely fervent views on the subject. All dearly felt with logical
reasons behind them. I am not sure the opposing sides think the
opposition's reasons are valid. I think we can agree, without political
discussions, that crazy is crazy. And while I hate to see this like
everyone else, I don't think most freedom loving people would be willing to
do what it takes to stop all potentially crazy people from doing such
things.

I would hope to head off any political debates on the list.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:30 AM Jeremy  wrote:

> I had never seen these bump stop devices.  It is hard to believe that they
> are legal, and do not require a machine gun license.  I expect that will
> not last.
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Well crazy is crazy no matter what.  I don't care what allegiance they
>> claim..this was a massacre committed by a fucked up person.  People died
>> for no good reason.  As much heat as I will take for this, easy access to
>> guns has got to change.  Fuck the politics.
>>
>> On Oct 2, 2017 10:10 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:
>>
>> Well that is some relief.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Robert  wrote:
>>
>>> FBI says no...
>>>
>>> On 10/2/17 9:09 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>>>
 ISIS is claiming he was a recent convert and they are responsible, not
 verified yet, but if true is pretty scary.

 On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Lewis Bergman >>> > wrote:

 I have never been asked any questions coming in and out of Vegas
 hotels. There are so many conventions they are used to people who
 don't like storing all their expensive gear in the conference room
 or whatever.

 On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:49 AM Steve Jones
 mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
 wrote:

 10 rifles and 10k rounds isnt alot of real estate for travel
 luggage transport

 On Oct 2, 2017 10:35 AM, "Jaime Solorza"
 mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>

 wrote:

 Bet you surveillance footage is getting analyzed.  I am
 aware guns can be disassembled to fit in suitcase or travel
 bags...but 10 guns if report is accurate...wow.
 On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 AM, "Robert" >>> > wrote:

 Expect metal detectors going in immediately...

 On 10/2/17 7:56 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

 I won't be surprised if there were baggage checks at
 the casino.

 Mike Hammett wrote:

 It would be irrational to change your plans, but
 we're all just people.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 
 ><
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 <
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>><
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 <
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>><
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

 >
 Midwest Internet Exchange
 
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 https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange
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 https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>><
 https://twitter.com/mdwestix

 >
 The Brothers WISP
 >
 >


 <
 https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg

 <
 https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>>

 
 *From: *"Kurt Fankhauser"
 >>> >
 *To: *af@afmug.com 

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Tim Reichhart]

its not going to stop printing your own guns out on 3d printer just ftw heck I 
have the drawings for lower receiver for ar-15 that I can print using ghost gun 
software and there printer.



 

-Original Message-
From: "Darin Steffl" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 10/02/17 12:39
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

Jaime,

I agree that guns need to be harder to purchase. I own plenty of guns and it's 
way too easy! I wouldn't mind one but if they made it harder to purchase one or 
go through a psychological evaluation for assault rifles that can do lots of 
damage.


Damn it I'm sick of people caring more about their gun rights than the rights 
of American citizens!!


Human life > easy gun ownership 

On Oct 2, 2017 11:29 AM, "Jeremy"  wrote:
I had never seen these bump stop devices.  It is hard to believe that they are 
legal, and do not require a machine gun license.  I expect that will not last.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

Well crazy is crazy no matter what.  I don't care what allegiance they 
claim..this was a massacre committed by a fucked up person.  People died for no 
good reason.  As much heat as I will take for this, easy access to guns has got 
to change.  Fuck the politics.

On Oct 2, 2017 10:10 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:

Well that is some relief.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Robert  wrote:

FBI says no...

On 10/2/17 9:09 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:

ISIS is claiming he was a recent convert and they are responsible, not verified 
yet, but if true is pretty scary.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Lewis Bergman mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I have never been asked any questions coming in and out of Vegas
hotels. There are so many conventions they are used to people who
don't like storing all their expensive gear in the conference room
or whatever.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:49 AM Steve Jones

mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

10 rifles and 10k rounds isnt alot of real estate for travel
luggage transport

On Oct 2, 2017 10:35 AM, "Jaime Solorza"

mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>

wrote:

Bet you surveillance footage is getting analyzed.  I am
aware guns can be disassembled to fit in suitcase or travel
bags...but 10 guns if report is accurate...wow.
On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 AM, "Robert" mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:

Expect metal detectors going in immediately...

On 10/2/17 7:56 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

I won't be surprised if there were baggage checks at
the casino.

Mike Hammett wrote:

It would be irrational to change your plans, but
we're all just people.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

>>>>
Midwest Internet Exchange

>>>
The Brothers WISP
>
>



>


*From: *"Kurt Fankhauser"
mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>>
*To: *af@afmug.com 

*Sent: *Monday, October 2, 2017 9:44:58 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

I wonder if attendance to the WISPA show will be
down from this

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Larry Smith]

While I understand your sentiment.
The only people that obey the law are lawful citizens
and people who are going to kill could care less so
any "new" laws are by definition only going to affect
those who are already lawful citizens...

While guns are top of the current FBI list for homicide
weapons, next are knives/cutting instruments,
then clubs, hammers, blunt instruments, next are
personal (hands, feet, etc).

To be honest, more people are killed each year due
to drunk/intoxicated driving than all homicides put together.
How about we totally ban drinking and make a real difference???


-- 
Larry Smith
lesm...@ecsis.net

On Mon October 2 2017 11:25, Jaime Solorza wrote:
> Well crazy is crazy no matter what.  I don't care what allegiance they
> claim..this was a massacre committed by a fucked up person.  People died
> for no good reason.  As much heat as I will take for this, easy access to
> guns has got to change.  Fuck the politics.
>
> On Oct 2, 2017 10:10 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:
>
> Well that is some relief.
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Robert  wrote:
> > FBI says no...
> >
> > On 10/2/17 9:09 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
> >> ISIS is claiming he was a recent convert and they are responsible, not
> >> verified yet, but if true is pretty scary.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Lewis Bergman  >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> I have never been asked any questions coming in and out of Vegas
> >> hotels. There are so many conventions they are used to people who
> >> don't like storing all their expensive gear in the conference room
> >> or whatever.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:49 AM Steve Jones
> >> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> 10 rifles and 10k rounds isnt alot of real estate for travel
> >> luggage transport
> >>
> >> On Oct 2, 2017 10:35 AM, "Jaime Solorza"
> >> mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
> >>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Bet you surveillance footage is getting analyzed.  I am
> >> aware guns can be disassembled to fit in suitcase or travel
> >> bags...but 10 guns if report is accurate...wow.
> >> On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 AM, "Robert"  >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Expect metal detectors going in immediately...
> >>
> >> On 10/2/17 7:56 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
> >>
> >> I won't be surprised if there were baggage checks at
> >> the casino.
> >>
> >> Mike Hammett wrote:
> >>
> >> It would be irrational to change your plans, but
> >> we're all just people.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -
> >> Mike Hammett
> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> >> 
> >>  >> ><
> >> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
> >>  >> lligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>> >> ompany/intelligent-computing-solutions
> >>  >> any/intelligent-computing-solutions>> >>
> >> >
> >> Midwest Internet Exchange
> >> 
> >>  >> ><
> >> https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange
> >>  >> any/midwest-internet-exchange>> >>
> >> >
> >> The Brothers WISP
> >>  >> >
> >>  >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>  >> el/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg
> >>
> >>  >> el/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>>
> >> --
> >> --
> >> *From: *"Kurt Fankhauser"
> >>  >> >
> >> *To: *af@afmug.com 
> >>
> >> *Sent: *Monday, October 2, 2017 9:44:58 AM
> >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mas

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Mike Hammett]

It seems like more research needs to be done on mental health and detection of 
mental health issues. While more difficult and more expensive, that would solve 
a lot more societal issues. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Larry Smith"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, October 2, 2017 11:45:45 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting 

While I understand your sentiment. 
The only people that obey the law are lawful citizens 
and people who are going to kill could care less so 
any "new" laws are by definition only going to affect 
those who are already lawful citizens... 

While guns are top of the current FBI list for homicide 
weapons, next are knives/cutting instruments, 
then clubs, hammers, blunt instruments, next are 
personal (hands, feet, etc). 

To be honest, more people are killed each year due 
to drunk/intoxicated driving than all homicides put together. 
How about we totally ban drinking and make a real difference??? 
 

-- 
Larry Smith 
lesm...@ecsis.net 

On Mon October 2 2017 11:25, Jaime Solorza wrote: 
> Well crazy is crazy no matter what. I don't care what allegiance they 
> claim..this was a massacre committed by a fucked up person. People died 
> for no good reason. As much heat as I will take for this, easy access to 
> guns has got to change. Fuck the politics. 
> 
> On Oct 2, 2017 10:10 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote: 
> 
> Well that is some relief. 
> 
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Robert  wrote: 
> > FBI says no... 
> > 
> > On 10/2/17 9:09 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: 
> >> ISIS is claiming he was a recent convert and they are responsible, not 
> >> verified yet, but if true is pretty scary. 
> >> 
> >> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Lewis Bergman  >> > wrote: 
> >> 
> >> I have never been asked any questions coming in and out of Vegas 
> >> hotels. There are so many conventions they are used to people who 
> >> don't like storing all their expensive gear in the conference room 
> >> or whatever. 
> >> 
> >> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:49 AM Steve Jones 
> >> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> 
> >> wrote: 
> >> 
> >> 10 rifles and 10k rounds isnt alot of real estate for travel 
> >> luggage transport 
> >> 
> >> On Oct 2, 2017 10:35 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> >> mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> 
> >> 
> >> wrote: 
> >> 
> >> Bet you surveillance footage is getting analyzed. I am 
> >> aware guns can be disassembled to fit in suitcase or travel 
> >> bags...but 10 guns if report is accurate...wow. 
> >> On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 AM, "Robert"  >> > wrote: 
> >> 
> >> Expect metal detectors going in immediately... 
> >> 
> >> On 10/2/17 7:56 AM, Jay Weekley wrote: 
> >> 
> >> I won't be surprised if there were baggage checks at 
> >> the casino. 
> >> 
> >> Mike Hammett wrote: 
> >> 
> >> It would be irrational to change your plans, but 
> >> we're all just people. 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> - 
> >> Mike Hammett 
> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> >>  
> >>  >> >< 
> >> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb 
> >>  >> lligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>> >> ompany/intelligent-computing-solutions 
> >>  >> any/intelligent-computing-solutions>> >> 
> >> > 
> >> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> >>  
> >>  >> >< 
> >> https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange 
> >>  >> any/midwest-internet-exchange>> >> 
> >> > 
> >> The Brothers WISP 
> >>  >> > 
> >>  >> > 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>  >> el/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg 
> >> 
> >>  >> el/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>> 
> >> -- 
> >> -- 
> >> *From: *"Kurt Fankhauser" 
> >>  >> > 
> >> *To: *af@afmug.com  
> >> 
> >> *Sent: *Monday, October 2, 2017 9:44:58 AM 
> >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting 
> >> 
> >> I wonder if attendance to the WISPA show will be 
> >> down from this 
> >> 
> >> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Jay Weekley 
> >>  >>  
> >>  >> 
> >> >> wrote: 
> >> 
> >> A week later and some of us may have been 
> >> at the concert. 
> >> 
> >> Robert wrote: 
> >

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Adam Moffett]

+1, let's please not get into a political fight.


-- Original Message --
From: "Lewis Bergman" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/2/2017 12:42:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

While I won't get into gun politics I will say there are a bunch of 
extremely fervent views on the subject. All dearly felt with logical 
reasons behind them. I am not sure the opposing sides think the 
opposition's reasons are valid. I think we can agree, without political 
discussions, that crazy is crazy. And while I hate to see this like 
everyone else, I don't think most freedom loving people would be 
willing to do what it takes to stop all potentially crazy people from 
doing such things.


I would hope to head off any political debates on the list.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:30 AM Jeremy  wrote:
I had never seen these bump stop devices.  It is hard to believe that 
they are legal, and do not require a machine gun license.  I expect 
that will not last.


On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:
Well crazy is crazy no matter what.  I don't care what allegiance 
they claim..this was a massacre committed by a fucked up person.  
People died for no good reason.  As much heat as I will take for 
this, easy access to guns has got to change.  Fuck the politics.


On Oct 2, 2017 10:10 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:

Well that is some relief.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Robert  
wrote:

FBI says no...

On 10/2/17 9:09 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
ISIS is claiming he was a recent convert and they are responsible, 
not verified yet, but if true is pretty scary.


On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Lewis Bergman 
mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I have never been asked any questions coming in and out of 
Vegas
hotels. There are so many conventions they are used to people 
who
don't like storing all their expensive gear in the conference 
room

or whatever.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:49 AM Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:


10 rifles and 10k rounds isnt alot of real estate for 
travel

luggage transport

On Oct 2, 2017 10:35 AM, "Jaime Solorza"
>


wrote:

Bet you surveillance footage is getting analyzed.  I 
am
aware guns can be disassembled to fit in suitcase or 
travel

bags...but 10 guns if report is accurate...wow.
On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 AM, "Robert" 

> wrote:

Expect metal detectors going in immediately...

On 10/2/17 7:56 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

I won't be surprised if there were baggage 
checks at

the casino.

Mike Hammett wrote:

It would be irrational to change your 
plans, but

we're all just people.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

>>>>
Midwest Internet Exchange

>>>
The Brothers WISP
>
>




>



*From: *"Kurt Fankhauser"
mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>>
*To: *af@afmug.com 

*Sent: *Monday, October 2, 2017 9:44:58 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

I wonder if attendance to the WISPA show 
will be

   

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Jeremy]

Hard to make the guns and knives comparison though.  Look at the last few
stabbing-related terrorist incidents.  The one last night in France stabbed
two people before being shot and killed.  The last one before that got four
or five people.  This dude shot over 500 people in a matter of minutes.
Yes, people will find a way, but high powered rifles sure do make it easy
for nefarious individuals to commit mass murder.

I am a gun owner, and I own an AR15, but I still think we need tighter gun
control laws.  At very least, people on the terrorist watch list should not
be able to walk in off the street and buy them.  We don't allow them to fly
on planes, but we allow them to buy assault rifles??  This shooting is one
that likely could not have been stopped.  By all accounts, this was an
average dude who just snapped.  No warning signs, no crazy ideals, and no
previous issues.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:51 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> +1, let's please not get into a political fight.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Lewis Bergman" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 10/2/2017 12:42:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
>
> While I won't get into gun politics I will say there are a bunch of
> extremely fervent views on the subject. All dearly felt with logical
> reasons behind them. I am not sure the opposing sides think the
> opposition's reasons are valid. I think we can agree, without political
> discussions, that crazy is crazy. And while I hate to see this like
> everyone else, I don't think most freedom loving people would be willing to
> do what it takes to stop all potentially crazy people from doing such
> things.
>
> I would hope to head off any political debates on the list.
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:30 AM Jeremy  wrote:
>
>> I had never seen these bump stop devices.  It is hard to believe that
>> they are legal, and do not require a machine gun license.  I expect that
>> will not last.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Jaime Solorza > > wrote:
>>
>>> Well crazy is crazy no matter what.  I don't care what allegiance they
>>> claim..this was a massacre committed by a fucked up person.  People died
>>> for no good reason.  As much heat as I will take for this, easy access to
>>> guns has got to change.  Fuck the politics.
>>>
>>> On Oct 2, 2017 10:10 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Well that is some relief.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Robert  wrote:
>>>
 FBI says no...

 On 10/2/17 9:09 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:

> ISIS is claiming he was a recent convert and they are responsible, not
> verified yet, but if true is pretty scary.
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Lewis Bergman <
> lewis.berg...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
> I have never been asked any questions coming in and out of Vegas
> hotels. There are so many conventions they are used to people who
> don't like storing all their expensive gear in the conference room
> or whatever.
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:49 AM Steve Jones
> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> 10 rifles and 10k rounds isnt alot of real estate for travel
> luggage transport
>
> On Oct 2, 2017 10:35 AM, "Jaime Solorza"
> mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
>
> wrote:
>
> Bet you surveillance footage is getting analyzed.  I am
> aware guns can be disassembled to fit in suitcase or travel
> bags...but 10 guns if report is accurate...wow.
> On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 AM, "Robert"  > wrote:
>
> Expect metal detectors going in immediately...
>
> On 10/2/17 7:56 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>
> I won't be surprised if there were baggage checks
> at
> the casino.
>
> Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> It would be irrational to change your plans,
> but
> we're all just people.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
>  ><
> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
>  IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>> com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
>  company/intelligent-computing-solutions>>
> >
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Rory Conaway]

I think the best thing to do is wait to see if the authorities can find a 
motive. I’ve got family up there in Law Enforcement but haven’t heard from them 
yet.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, October 2, 2017 9:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

+1, let's please not get into a political fight.


-- Original Message --
From: "Lewis Bergman" mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/2/2017 12:42:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

While I won't get into gun politics I will say there are a bunch of extremely 
fervent views on the subject. All dearly felt with logical reasons behind them. 
I am not sure the opposing sides think the opposition's reasons are valid. I 
think we can agree, without political discussions, that crazy is crazy. And 
while I hate to see this like everyone else, I don't think most freedom loving 
people would be willing to do what it takes to stop all potentially crazy 
people from doing such things.

I would hope to head off any political debates on the list.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:30 AM Jeremy 
mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I had never seen these bump stop devices.  It is hard to believe that they are 
legal, and do not require a machine gun license.  I expect that will not last.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Well crazy is crazy no matter what.  I don't care what allegiance they 
claim..this was a massacre committed by a fucked up person.  People died for no 
good reason.  As much heat as I will take for this, easy access to guns has got 
to change.  Fuck the politics.

On Oct 2, 2017 10:10 AM, "Cameron Crum" 
mailto:cc...@wispmon.com>> wrote:
Well that is some relief.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Robert 
mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
FBI says no...

On 10/2/17 9:09 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
ISIS is claiming he was a recent convert and they are responsible, not verified 
yet, but if true is pretty scary.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Lewis Bergman 
mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:

I have never been asked any questions coming in and out of Vegas
hotels. There are so many conventions they are used to people who
don't like storing all their expensive gear in the conference room
or whatever.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:49 AM Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:

10 rifles and 10k rounds isnt alot of real estate for travel
luggage transport

On Oct 2, 2017 10:35 AM, "Jaime Solorza"
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> 
>>

wrote:

Bet you surveillance footage is getting analyzed.  I am
aware guns can be disassembled to fit in suitcase or travel
bags...but 10 guns if report is accurate...wow.
On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 AM, "Robert" 
mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>
>> 
wrote:

Expect metal detectors going in immediately...

On 10/2/17 7:56 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

I won't be surprised if there were baggage checks at
the casino.

Mike Hammett wrote:

It would be irrational to change your plans, but
we're all just people.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

>>>>
Midwest Internet Exchange

>>>
The Brothers WISP
>

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

How long did this event last?
From the time he started shooting how long until police found him and he killed 
himself ?

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Rory Conaway" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
Date: Mon, Oct 2, 2017 11:59 AM

I think the best thing to do is wait to see if the authorities can find a 
motive. I’ve got family up there in Law Enforcement but haven’t heard from them 
yet. 

Rory 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] 
On Behalf Of Adam Moffett

Sent: Monday, October 2, 2017 9:52 AM

To: af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting 






+1, let's please not get into a political fight. 











-- Original Message -- 



From: "Lewis Bergman"  



To:  
af@afmug.com 



Sent: 10/2/2017 12:42:08 PM 



Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting 









While I won't get into gun politics I will say there are a bunch of extremely 
fervent views on the subject. All dearly felt with logical reasons behind them. 
I am not sure the opposing sides 
think the opposition's reasons are valid. I think we can agree, without 
political discussions, that crazy is crazy. And while I hate to see this like 
everyone else, I don't think most freedom loving people would be willing to do 
what it takes to stop all potentially 
crazy people from doing such things. 





I would hope to head off any political debates on the list. 







On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:30 AM Jeremy  wrote: 




I had never seen these bump stop devices.  It is hard to believe that they are 
legal, and do not require a machine gun license.  I expect that will not last. 





On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote: 

Well crazy is crazy no matter what.  I don't care what allegiance they 
claim..this was a massacre committed by a fucked up person.  People died for no 
good reason.  As much heat as I will 
take for this, easy access to guns has got to change.  Fuck the politics. 







On Oct 2, 2017 10:10 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote: 

Well that is some relief. 






On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Robert  wrote: 




FBI says no...



On 10/2/17 9:09 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: 




ISIS is claiming he was a recent convert and they are responsible, not verified 
yet, but if true is pretty scary.



On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Lewis Bergman mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> wrote:



I have never been asked any questions coming in and out of Vegas

hotels. There are so many conventions they are used to people who

don't like storing all their expensive gear in the conference room

or whatever.



On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:49 AM Steve Jones 



mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:



10 rifles and 10k rounds isnt alot of real estate for travel

luggage transport



On Oct 2, 2017 10:35 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 


mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> 



wrote:



Bet you surveillance footage is getting analyzed.  I am

aware guns can be disassembled to fit in suitcase or travel

bags...but 10 guns if report is accurate...wow. 

On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 AM, "Robert" mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:



Expect metal detectors going in immediately...



On 10/2/17 7:56 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:



I won't be surprised if there were baggage checks at

the casino.



Mike Hammett wrote:



It would be irrational to change your plans, but

we're all just people.







-

Mike Hammett

Intelligent Computing Solutions



>>>>

Midwest Internet Exchange



>>>

The Brothers WISP

>

>





>



*From: *"Kurt Fankhauser"

mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>>

*To: *af@afmug.com  





*Sent: *Monday, October 2, 2017 9:44:58 AM

*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting



I wonder if attendance to the WISPA show will be

down from this



On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Jay Weekley

mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net> 


>> w

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Jeremy]

Over 20 minutes from what I've heard

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:08 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller  wrote:

>
> How long did this event last?
> From the time he started shooting how long until police found him and he
> killed himself ?
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Rory Conaway" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
> Date: Mon, Oct 2, 2017 11:59 AM
>
> I think the best thing to do is wait to see if the authorities can find a
> motive. I’ve got family up there in Law Enforcement but haven’t heard from
> them yet.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, October 2, 2017 9:52 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
>
>
>
> +1, let's please not get into a political fight.
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Lewis Bergman" 
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Sent: 10/2/2017 12:42:08 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
>
>
>
> While I won't get into gun politics I will say there are a bunch of
> extremely fervent views on the subject. All dearly felt with logical
> reasons behind them. I am not sure the opposing sides think the
> opposition's reasons are valid. I think we can agree, without political
> discussions, that crazy is crazy. And while I hate to see this like
> everyone else, I don't think most freedom loving people would be willing to
> do what it takes to stop all potentially crazy people from doing such
> things.
>
>
>
> I would hope to head off any political debates on the list.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:30 AM Jeremy  wrote:
>
> I had never seen these bump stop devices.  It is hard to believe that they
> are legal, and do not require a machine gun license.  I expect that will
> not last.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> Well crazy is crazy no matter what.  I don't care what allegiance they
> claim..this was a massacre committed by a fucked up person.  People died
> for no good reason.  As much heat as I will take for this, easy access to
> guns has got to change.  Fuck the politics.
>
>
>
> On Oct 2, 2017 10:10 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:
>
> Well that is some relief.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Robert  wrote:
>
> FBI says no...
>
> On 10/2/17 9:09 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
> ISIS is claiming he was a recent convert and they are responsible, not
> verified yet, but if true is pretty scary.
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Lewis Bergman  > wrote:
>
> I have never been asked any questions coming in and out of Vegas
> hotels. There are so many conventions they are used to people who
> don't like storing all their expensive gear in the conference room
> or whatever.
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:49 AM Steve Jones
>
> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> 10 rifles and 10k rounds isnt alot of real estate for travel
> luggage transport
>
> On Oct 2, 2017 10:35 AM, "Jaime Solorza"
>
> mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
>
>
> wrote:
>
> Bet you surveillance footage is getting analyzed.  I am
> aware guns can be disassembled to fit in suitcase or travel
> bags...but 10 guns if report is accurate...wow.
> On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 AM, "Robert" 
> > wrote:
>
> Expect metal detectors going in immediately...
>
> On 10/2/17 7:56 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>
> I won't be surprised if there were baggage checks at
> the casino.
>
> Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> It would be irrational to change your plans, but
> we're all just people.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> 
> ><
> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
>  IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>> com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
>  company/intelligent-computing-solutions>>
>
> >
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> 
> > linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange
>  company/midwest-internet-exchange>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Wow 

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Jeremy" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
Date: Mon, Oct 2, 2017 12:12 PM

Over 20 minutes from what I've heard

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:08 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller  
wrote:







How long did this event last?
From the time he started shooting how long until police found him and he killed 
himself ?

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Rory Conaway" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
Date: Mon, Oct 2, 2017 11:59 AM




I think the best thing to do is wait to see if the authorities can find a 
motive. I’ve got family up there in Law Enforcement but haven’t heard from them 
yet.
 
Rory
 


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]
On Behalf Of Adam Moffett

Sent: Monday, October 2, 2017 9:52 AM

To: af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting




 

+1, let's please not get into a political fight.



 



 



-- Original Message --



From: "Lewis Bergman" 



To: 
af@afmug.com



Sent: 10/2/2017 12:42:08 PM



Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting



 





While I won't get into gun politics I will say there are a bunch of extremely 
fervent views on the subject. All dearly felt with logical reasons behind them. 
I am not sure the opposing sides
think the opposition's reasons are valid. I think we can agree, without 
political discussions, that crazy is crazy. And while I hate to see this like 
everyone else, I don't think most freedom loving people would be willing to do 
what it takes to stop all potentially
crazy people from doing such things.

 



I would hope to head off any political debates on the list.




 


On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:30 AM Jeremy  wrote:




I had never seen these bump stop devices.  It is hard to believe that they are 
legal, and do not require a machine gun license.  I expect that will not last.



 

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

Well crazy is crazy no matter what.  I don't care what allegiance they 
claim..this was a massacre committed by a fucked up person.  People died for no 
good reason.  As much heat as I will
take for this, easy access to guns has got to change.  Fuck the politics.





 

On Oct 2, 2017 10:10 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:

Well that is some relief.



 


On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Robert  wrote:




FBI says no...



On 10/2/17 9:09 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:




ISIS is claiming he was a recent convert and they are responsible, not verified 
yet, but if true is pretty scary.



On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Lewis Bergman mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> wrote:



    I have never been asked any questions coming in and out of Vegas

    hotels. There are so many conventions they are used to people who

    don't like storing all their expensive gear in the conference room

    or whatever.



    On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:49 AM Steve Jones



    mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:



        10 rifles and 10k rounds isnt alot of real estate for travel

        luggage transport



        On Oct 2, 2017 10:35 AM, "Jaime Solorza"


        mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>



        wrote:



            Bet you surveillance footage is getting analyzed.  I am

            aware guns can be disassembled to fit in suitcase or travel

            bags...but 10 guns if report is accurate...wow. 

            On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 AM, "Robert" mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:



                Expect metal detectors going in immediately...



                On 10/2/17 7:56 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:



                    I won't be surprised if there were baggage checks at

                    the casino.



                    Mike Hammett wrote:



                        It would be irrational to change your plans, but

                        we're all just people.







                        -

                        Mike Hammett

                        Intelligent Computing Solutions

                        

                        >>>>

                        Midwest Internet Exchange

                        

                        >>

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Simon Westlake]

Probably a gat crank. I'd be surprised if there isn't a crackdown on all
these types of things after this.

On Oct 2, 2017 11:39 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:

> After hearing the shots on some of the videos, it sounds more like full
> auto. Typically the bump stop will only do a burst unless you are pretty
> good with it. This was a little more rapid than what I've witnessed with
> bump stops. It isn't that hard to get a full auto...just need a class 3
> license, but you are heavily scrutinized, so not sure what laws would
> prevent something like this.
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:29 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
>
>> I had never seen these bump stop devices.  It is hard to believe that
>> they are legal, and do not require a machine gun license.  I expect that
>> will not last.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Jaime Solorza > > wrote:
>>
>>> Well crazy is crazy no matter what.  I don't care what allegiance they
>>> claim..this was a massacre committed by a fucked up person.  People died
>>> for no good reason.  As much heat as I will take for this, easy access to
>>> guns has got to change.  Fuck the politics.
>>>
>>> On Oct 2, 2017 10:10 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Well that is some relief.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Robert  wrote:
>>>
 FBI says no...

 On 10/2/17 9:09 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:

> ISIS is claiming he was a recent convert and they are responsible, not
> verified yet, but if true is pretty scary.
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Lewis Bergman <
> lewis.berg...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
> I have never been asked any questions coming in and out of Vegas
> hotels. There are so many conventions they are used to people who
> don't like storing all their expensive gear in the conference room
> or whatever.
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:49 AM Steve Jones
> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> 10 rifles and 10k rounds isnt alot of real estate for travel
> luggage transport
>
> On Oct 2, 2017 10:35 AM, "Jaime Solorza"
> mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
>
> wrote:
>
> Bet you surveillance footage is getting analyzed.  I am
> aware guns can be disassembled to fit in suitcase or travel
> bags...but 10 guns if report is accurate...wow.
> On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 AM, "Robert"  > wrote:
>
> Expect metal detectors going in immediately...
>
> On 10/2/17 7:56 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>
> I won't be surprised if there were baggage checks
> at
> the casino.
>
> Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> It would be irrational to change your plans,
> but
> we're all just people.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
>  ><
> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
>  lligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>> ompany/intelligent-computing-solutions
>  any/intelligent-computing-solutions>>
> >
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
>  ><
> https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange
>  any/midwest-internet-exchange>>
> >
> The Brothers WISP
>  >
>  >
>
>
>  el/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg
>
>  el/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>>
> --
> --
> *From: *"K

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Bill Prince]

I would agree with that. We (as a society) give short shrift to mental 
health, and all the associated issues. We have to somehow get beyond the 
stigma, and figure out how to detect, and deal with this very real 
health issue.



bp


On 10/2/2017 9:47 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
It seems like more research needs to be done on mental health and 
detection of mental health issues. While more difficult and more 
expensive, that would solve a lot more societal issues.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Larry Smith" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Monday, October 2, 2017 11:45:45 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

While I understand your sentiment.
The only people that obey the law are lawful citizens
and people who are going to kill could care less so
any "new" laws are by definition only going to affect
those who are already lawful citizens...

While guns are top of the current FBI list for homicide
weapons, next are knives/cutting instruments,
then clubs, hammers, blunt instruments, next are
personal (hands, feet, etc).

To be honest, more people are killed each year due
to drunk/intoxicated driving than all homicides put together.
How about we totally ban drinking and make a real difference???


--
Larry Smith
lesm...@ecsis.net

On Mon October 2 2017 11:25, Jaime Solorza wrote:
> Well crazy is crazy no matter what.  I don't care what allegiance they
> claim..this was a massacre committed by a fucked up person.  People died
> for no good reason.  As much heat as I will take for this, easy 
access to

> guns has got to change.  Fuck the politics.
>
> On Oct 2, 2017 10:10 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:
>
> Well that is some relief.
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Robert  wrote:
> > FBI says no...
> >
> > On 10/2/17 9:09 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
> >> ISIS is claiming he was a recent convert and they are 
responsible, not

> >> verified yet, but if true is pretty scary.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Lewis Bergman 

> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>     I have never been asked any questions coming in and out of Vegas
> >>     hotels. There are so many conventions they are used to people who
> >>     don't like storing all their expensive gear in the conference 
room

> >>     or whatever.
> >>
> >>     On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:49 AM Steve Jones
> >>     mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>         10 rifles and 10k rounds isnt alot of real estate for travel
> >>         luggage transport
> >>
> >>         On Oct 2, 2017 10:35 AM, "Jaime Solorza"
> >>         >

> >>
> >>         wrote:
> >>
> >>             Bet you surveillance footage is getting analyzed.  I am
> >>             aware guns can be disassembled to fit in suitcase or 
travel

> >>             bags...but 10 guns if report is accurate...wow.
> >>             On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 AM, "Robert"  >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>                 Expect metal detectors going in immediately...
> >>
> >>                 On 10/2/17 7:56 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
> >>
> >>                     I won't be surprised if there were baggage 
checks at

> >>                     the casino.
> >>
> >>                     Mike Hammett wrote:
> >>
> >>                         It would be irrational to change your 
plans, but

> >>                         we're all just people.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>                         -
> >>                         Mike Hammett
> >>                         Intelligent Computing Solutions
> >> 
> >>  >> ><
> >> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
> >>  >> lligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>> >> ompany/intelligent-computing-solutions
> >>  >> any/intelligent-computing-solutions>> >>
> >> >
> >>                         Midwest Internet Exchange
> >> 
> >>  >> ><
> >> https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange
> >>  >> any/midwest-internet-exchange>> >>
> >> 

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Bill Prince]

Based on what I heard (so far), it had to take many minutes; maybe 15 or 
20 or so. From the sound, you could hear what sounded like automatic 
weapon fire going and going until the clip was empty (and it sounded 
like a big clip). Then there was a brief pause (people on the scene 
described it as "30 seconds"), then another round with another clip. 
There were at least 6 or 7 clips.


There are probably eye witness errors in the above description, but if 
it's even close to correct, it is pretty scary.



bp


On 10/2/2017 10:08 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:


How long did this event last?
From the time he started shooting how long until police found him and 
he killed himself ?


Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Rory Conaway" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
Date: Mon, Oct 2, 2017 11:59 AM

I think the best thing to do is wait to see if the authorities can 
find a motive. I’ve got family up there in Law Enforcement but haven’t 
heard from them yet.


Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Monday, October 2, 2017 9:52 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

+1, let's please not get into a political fight.

-- Original Message --

From: "Lewis Bergman" >


To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: 10/2/2017 12:42:08 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

While I won't get into gun politics I will say there are a bunch
of extremely fervent views on the subject. All dearly felt with
logical reasons behind them. I am not sure the opposing sides
think the opposition's reasons are valid. I think we can agree,
without political discussions, that crazy is crazy. And while I
hate to see this like everyone else, I don't think most freedom
loving people would be willing to do what it takes to stop all
potentially crazy people from doing such things.

I would hope to head off any political debates on the list.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:30 AM Jeremy mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I had never seen these bump stop devices.  It is hard to
believe that they are legal, and do not require a machine gun
license.  I expect that will not last.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Jaime Solorza
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

Well crazy is crazy no matter what.  I don't care what
allegiance they claim..this was a massacre committed by a
fucked up person. People died for no good reason.  As much
heat as I will take for this, easy access to guns has got to
change.  Fuck the politics.

On Oct 2, 2017 10:10 AM, "Cameron Crum" mailto:cc...@wispmon.com>> wrote:

Well that is some relief.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Robert
mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:

FBI says no...

On 10/2/17 9:09 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:

ISIS is claiming he was a recent convert and they are
responsible, not verified yet, but if true is pretty
scary.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Lewis Bergman
mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:

    I have never been asked any questions coming in
and out of Vegas
    hotels. There are so many conventions they are
used to people who
    don't like storing all their expensive gear in the
conference room
    or whatever.

    On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:49 AM Steve Jones

  mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:

        10 rifles and 10k rounds isnt alot of real
estate for travel
        luggage transport

        On Oct 2, 2017 10:35 AM, "Jaime Solorza"

      mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>>


        wrote:

            Bet you surveillance footage is getting
analyzed.  I am
            aware guns can be disassembled to fit in
suitcase or travel
            bags...but 10 guns if report is
accurate...wow.
            On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 AM, "Robert"
mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>

          >> wrote:

                Expect metal detectors going in
immediately...

   

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Josh Reynolds]

We are now at 58+ dead, 515+ wounded.

64 year old, no criminal history.

His brother is in shambles in these interviews, it's terrible.

On Oct 2, 2017 12:34 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

> Based on what I heard (so far), it had to take many minutes; maybe 15 or
> 20 or so. From the sound, you could hear what sounded like automatic weapon
> fire going and going until the clip was empty (and it sounded like a big
> clip). Then there was a brief pause (people on the scene described it as
> "30 seconds"), then another round with another clip. There were at least 6
> or 7 clips.
>
> There are probably eye witness errors in the above description, but if
> it's even close to correct, it is pretty scary.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 10/2/2017 10:08 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>
>
> How long did this event last?
> From the time he started shooting how long until police found him and he
> killed himself ?
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Rory Conaway"  
> To: "af@afmug.com"   
> Subject: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
> Date: Mon, Oct 2, 2017 11:59 AM
>
> I think the best thing to do is wait to see if the authorities can find a
> motive. I’ve got family up there in Law Enforcement but haven’t heard from
> them yet.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, October 2, 2017 9:52 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
>
>
>
> +1, let's please not get into a political fight.
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Lewis Bergman" 
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Sent: 10/2/2017 12:42:08 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
>
>
>
> While I won't get into gun politics I will say there are a bunch of
> extremely fervent views on the subject. All dearly felt with logical
> reasons behind them. I am not sure the opposing sides think the
> opposition's reasons are valid. I think we can agree, without political
> discussions, that crazy is crazy. And while I hate to see this like
> everyone else, I don't think most freedom loving people would be willing to
> do what it takes to stop all potentially crazy people from doing such
> things.
>
>
>
> I would hope to head off any political debates on the list.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:30 AM Jeremy  wrote:
>
> I had never seen these bump stop devices.  It is hard to believe that they
> are legal, and do not require a machine gun license.  I expect that will
> not last.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> Well crazy is crazy no matter what.  I don't care what allegiance they
> claim..this was a massacre committed by a fucked up person.  People died
> for no good reason.  As much heat as I will take for this, easy access to
> guns has got to change.  Fuck the politics.
>
>
>
> On Oct 2, 2017 10:10 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:
>
> Well that is some relief.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Robert  wrote:
>
> FBI says no...
>
> On 10/2/17 9:09 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
> ISIS is claiming he was a recent convert and they are responsible, not
> verified yet, but if true is pretty scary.
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Lewis Bergman  > wrote:
>
> I have never been asked any questions coming in and out of Vegas
> hotels. There are so many conventions they are used to people who
> don't like storing all their expensive gear in the conference room
> or whatever.
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:49 AM Steve Jones
>
> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> 10 rifles and 10k rounds isnt alot of real estate for travel
> luggage transport
>
> On Oct 2, 2017 10:35 AM, "Jaime Solorza"
>
> mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
>
>
> wrote:
>
> Bet you surveillance footage is getting analyzed.  I am
> aware guns can be disassembled to fit in suitcase or travel
> bags...but 10 guns if report is accurate...wow.
> On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 AM, "Robert" 
> > wrote:
>
> Expect metal detectors going in immediately...
>
> On 10/2/17 7:56 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>
> I won't be surprised if there were baggage checks at
> the casino.
>
> Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> It would be irrational to change your plans, but
> we're all just people.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> 
> ><
> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
>  IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>>

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Seth Mattinen]

On 10/2/17 10:12, Jeremy wrote:

Over 20 minutes from what I've heard




Local Vegas news is saying 20 minutes. I'm sure a good amount of that 
time was spent trying to figure out where the shots were coming from and 
then mobilizing to that position.

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Jeremy]

Yeah, this was a tough deal.  They couldn't even return fire without
shooting at a hotel full of innocent people.  There really was no other way
to stop him other than track down the exact location and breach the door.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 10/2/17 10:12, Jeremy wrote:
>
>> Over 20 minutes from what I've heard
>>
>>
>
> Local Vegas news is saying 20 minutes. I'm sure a good amount of that time
> was spent trying to figure out where the shots were coming from and then
> mobilizing to that position.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Could you imagine being asleep on that 32nd floor of the hotel when this 
started ?  Wow 

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Jeremy" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
Date: Mon, Oct 2, 2017 1:00 PM

Yeah, this was a tough deal.  They couldn't even return fire without shooting 
at a hotel full of innocent people.  There really was no other way to stop him 
other than track down the exact location and breach the door.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
On 10/2/17 10:12, Jeremy wrote:


Over 20 minutes from what I've heard








Local Vegas news is saying 20 minutes. I'm sure a good amount of that time was 
spent trying to figure out where the shots were coming from and then mobilizing 
to that position.

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Steve Jones]

Its not often ill be the adult in the room, but can we close this topic, it
will go nowhere good.

Im off in 4 hours, thats when my .bac starts raising, its best this have
idled down my unreads

On Oct 2, 2017 12:48 PM, "Seth Mattinen"  wrote:

On 10/2/17 10:12, Jeremy wrote:

> Over 20 minutes from what I've heard
>
>

Local Vegas news is saying 20 minutes. I'm sure a good amount of that time
was spent trying to figure out where the shots were coming from and then
mobilizing to that position.

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Josh Luthman]

Nothing would make me regret not carrying more...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 2:06 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
wrote:

>
> Could you imagine being asleep on that 32nd floor of the hotel when this
> started ?  Wow
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Jeremy" 
> To: 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
> Date: Mon, Oct 2, 2017 1:00 PM
>
> Yeah, this was a tough deal.  They couldn't even return fire without
> shooting at a hotel full of innocent people.  There really was no other way
> to stop him other than track down the exact location and breach the door.
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
>> On 10/2/17 10:12, Jeremy wrote:
>>
>>> Over 20 minutes from what I've heard
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Local Vegas news is saying 20 minutes. I'm sure a good amount of that
>> time was spent trying to figure out where the shots were coming from and
>> then mobilizing to that position.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[George Skorup]

s/clip/magazine

Sorry Bill, had to.

On 10/2/2017 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


Based on what I heard (so far), it had to take many minutes; maybe 15 
or 20 or so. From the sound, you could hear what sounded like 
automatic weapon fire going and going until the clip was empty (and it 
sounded like a big clip). Then there was a brief pause (people on the 
scene described it as "30 seconds"), then another round with another 
clip. There were at least 6 or 7 clips.


There are probably eye witness errors in the above description, but if 
it's even close to correct, it is pretty scary.



bp


On 10/2/2017 10:08 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:


How long did this event last?
From the time he started shooting how long until police found him and 
he killed himself ?


Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Rory Conaway" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
Date: Mon, Oct 2, 2017 11:59 AM

I think the best thing to do is wait to see if the authorities can 
find a motive. I’ve got family up there in Law Enforcement but 
haven’t heard from them yet.


Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Monday, October 2, 2017 9:52 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

+1, let's please not get into a political fight.

-- Original Message --

From: "Lewis Bergman" >


To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: 10/2/2017 12:42:08 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

While I won't get into gun politics I will say there are a bunch
of extremely fervent views on the subject. All dearly felt with
logical reasons behind them. I am not sure the opposing sides
think the opposition's reasons are valid. I think we can agree,
without political discussions, that crazy is crazy. And while I
hate to see this like everyone else, I don't think most freedom
loving people would be willing to do what it takes to stop all
potentially crazy people from doing such things.

I would hope to head off any political debates on the list.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:30 AM Jeremy mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I had never seen these bump stop devices.  It is hard to
believe that they are legal, and do not require a machine gun
license.  I expect that will not last.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Jaime Solorza
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Well crazy is crazy no matter what.  I don't care what
allegiance they claim..this was a massacre committed by a
fucked up person. People died for no good reason.  As much
heat as I will take for this, easy access to guns has got to
change.  Fuck the politics.

On Oct 2, 2017 10:10 AM, "Cameron Crum" mailto:cc...@wispmon.com>> wrote:

Well that is some relief.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Robert
mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:

FBI says no...

On 10/2/17 9:09 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:

ISIS is claiming he was a recent convert and they are
responsible, not verified yet, but if true is pretty
scary.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Lewis Bergman
mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:

    I have never been asked any questions coming in
and out of Vegas
    hotels. There are so many conventions they are
used to people who
    don't like storing all their expensive gear in
the conference room
    or whatever.

    On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:49 AM Steve Jones

  mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:

        10 rifles and 10k rounds isnt alot of real
estate for travel
        luggage transport

        On Oct 2, 2017 10:35 AM, "Jaime Solorza"

      mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>>


        wrote:

            Bet you surveillance footage is getting
analyzed.  I am
            aware guns can be disassembled to fit in
suitcase or travel
            bags...but 10 guns if report is
accurate...wow.
            On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 AM, "Robert"
mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>

          >> wrote:

        

[AFMUG] M-TOW-ICE

[Lewis Bergman]

I ordered all of these Streakwave had but I need some more. Does anyone
know who has some stock?

Re: [AFMUG] M-TOW-ICE

[Chuck McCown]

We can always make up a fresh batch.  

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 2:17 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] M-TOW-ICE

I ordered all of these Streakwave had but I need some more. Does anyone know 
who has some stock?

Re: [AFMUG] OT Cell phone booster

[Sean Heskett]

This one is much better:

https://www.wilsonamplifiers.com/weboost-drive-4g-x-cell-phone-signal-booster-kit-470510/

The one you linked to only boots the 1 phone and it has to be in the
cradle.

The link I just sent will do multiple devices in the car.

We have them in all our trucks and they work great.  They don't eliminate
all the coverage holes but they shrink all the holes quite a bit.

-sean



On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 2:37 PM  wrote:

>
> https://cellphonesignalbooster.us/weboost-drive-sleek-3g-4g-lte-vehicle-signal-booster-wilson-470135/?utm_source=Inside+Towers+List&utm_campaign=b3554b45a2-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_09_21&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_af16c4fc22-b3554b45a2-91528485&goal=0_af16c4fc22-b3554b45a2-91528485
>
> Wish someone would buy one and let me know if it really helps.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Jaime Solorza]

59 dead, 527 injured,. 18 more guns found at one home with thousands of
rounds plus electronics of some kind.

On Oct 2, 2017 1:30 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

> s/clip/magazine
>
> Sorry Bill, had to.
>
> On 10/2/2017 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> Based on what I heard (so far), it had to take many minutes; maybe 15 or
> 20 or so. From the sound, you could hear what sounded like automatic weapon
> fire going and going until the clip was empty (and it sounded like a big
> clip). Then there was a brief pause (people on the scene described it as
> "30 seconds"), then another round with another clip. There were at least 6
> or 7 clips.
>
> There are probably eye witness errors in the above description, but if
> it's even close to correct, it is pretty scary.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 10/2/2017 10:08 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>
>
> How long did this event last?
> From the time he started shooting how long until police found him and he
> killed himself ?
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Rory Conaway"  
> To: "af@afmug.com"   
> Subject: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
> Date: Mon, Oct 2, 2017 11:59 AM
>
> I think the best thing to do is wait to see if the authorities can find a
> motive. I’ve got family up there in Law Enforcement but haven’t heard from
> them yet.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, October 2, 2017 9:52 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
>
>
>
> +1, let's please not get into a political fight.
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Lewis Bergman" 
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Sent: 10/2/2017 12:42:08 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
>
>
>
> While I won't get into gun politics I will say there are a bunch of
> extremely fervent views on the subject. All dearly felt with logical
> reasons behind them. I am not sure the opposing sides think the
> opposition's reasons are valid. I think we can agree, without political
> discussions, that crazy is crazy. And while I hate to see this like
> everyone else, I don't think most freedom loving people would be willing to
> do what it takes to stop all potentially crazy people from doing such
> things.
>
>
>
> I would hope to head off any political debates on the list.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:30 AM Jeremy  wrote:
>
> I had never seen these bump stop devices.  It is hard to believe that they
> are legal, and do not require a machine gun license.  I expect that will
> not last.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> Well crazy is crazy no matter what.  I don't care what allegiance they
> claim..this was a massacre committed by a fucked up person.  People died
> for no good reason.  As much heat as I will take for this, easy access to
> guns has got to change.  Fuck the politics.
>
>
>
> On Oct 2, 2017 10:10 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:
>
> Well that is some relief.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Robert  wrote:
>
> FBI says no...
>
> On 10/2/17 9:09 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
> ISIS is claiming he was a recent convert and they are responsible, not
> verified yet, but if true is pretty scary.
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Lewis Bergman  > wrote:
>
> I have never been asked any questions coming in and out of Vegas
> hotels. There are so many conventions they are used to people who
> don't like storing all their expensive gear in the conference room
> or whatever.
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:49 AM Steve Jones
>
> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> 10 rifles and 10k rounds isnt alot of real estate for travel
> luggage transport
>
> On Oct 2, 2017 10:35 AM, "Jaime Solorza"
>
> mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
>
>
> wrote:
>
> Bet you surveillance footage is getting analyzed.  I am
> aware guns can be disassembled to fit in suitcase or travel
> bags...but 10 guns if report is accurate...wow.
> On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 AM, "Robert" 
> > wrote:
>
> Expect metal detectors going in immediately...
>
> On 10/2/17 7:56 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>
> I won't be surprised if there were baggage checks at
> the casino.
>
> Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> It would be irrational to change your plans, but
> we're all just people.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> 
> ><
> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Jaime Solorza]

GoFundMe over 1.3 million, long lines for blood donations, food an water
donations, free lodging at some hotels for families...that's is the best of
us

On Oct 2, 2017 4:06 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> 59 dead, 527 injured,. 18 more guns found at one home with thousands of
> rounds plus electronics of some kind.
>
> On Oct 2, 2017 1:30 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:
>
>> s/clip/magazine
>>
>> Sorry Bill, had to.
>>
>> On 10/2/2017 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>
>> Based on what I heard (so far), it had to take many minutes; maybe 15 or
>> 20 or so. From the sound, you could hear what sounded like automatic weapon
>> fire going and going until the clip was empty (and it sounded like a big
>> clip). Then there was a brief pause (people on the scene described it as
>> "30 seconds"), then another round with another clip. There were at least 6
>> or 7 clips.
>>
>> There are probably eye witness errors in the above description, but if
>> it's even close to correct, it is pretty scary.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 10/2/2017 10:08 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>>
>>
>> How long did this event last?
>> From the time he started shooting how long until police found him and he
>> killed himself ?
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>
>> - Reply message -
>> From: "Rory Conaway"  
>> To: "af@afmug.com"   
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
>> Date: Mon, Oct 2, 2017 11:59 AM
>>
>> I think the best thing to do is wait to see if the authorities can find a
>> motive. I’ve got family up there in Law Enforcement but haven’t heard from
>> them yet.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 2, 2017 9:52 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
>>
>>
>>
>> +1, let's please not get into a political fight.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>>
>> From: "Lewis Bergman" 
>>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>>
>> Sent: 10/2/2017 12:42:08 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
>>
>>
>>
>> While I won't get into gun politics I will say there are a bunch of
>> extremely fervent views on the subject. All dearly felt with logical
>> reasons behind them. I am not sure the opposing sides think the
>> opposition's reasons are valid. I think we can agree, without political
>> discussions, that crazy is crazy. And while I hate to see this like
>> everyone else, I don't think most freedom loving people would be willing to
>> do what it takes to stop all potentially crazy people from doing such
>> things.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would hope to head off any political debates on the list.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:30 AM Jeremy  wrote:
>>
>> I had never seen these bump stop devices.  It is hard to believe that
>> they are legal, and do not require a machine gun license.  I expect that
>> will not last.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Well crazy is crazy no matter what.  I don't care what allegiance they
>> claim..this was a massacre committed by a fucked up person.  People died
>> for no good reason.  As much heat as I will take for this, easy access to
>> guns has got to change.  Fuck the politics.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 2, 2017 10:10 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:
>>
>> Well that is some relief.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Robert  wrote:
>>
>> FBI says no...
>>
>> On 10/2/17 9:09 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>>
>> ISIS is claiming he was a recent convert and they are responsible, not
>> verified yet, but if true is pretty scary.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Lewis Bergman > > wrote:
>>
>> I have never been asked any questions coming in and out of Vegas
>> hotels. There are so many conventions they are used to people who
>> don't like storing all their expensive gear in the conference room
>> or whatever.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:49 AM Steve Jones
>>
>> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> 10 rifles and 10k rounds isnt alot of real estate for travel
>> luggage transport
>>
>> On Oct 2, 2017 10:35 AM, "Jaime Solorza"
>>
>> mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
>>
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Bet you surveillance footage is getting analyzed.  I am
>> aware guns can be disassembled to fit in suitcase or travel
>> bags...but 10 guns if report is accurate...wow.
>> On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 AM, "Robert" >
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Expect metal detectors going in immediately...
>>
>> On 10/2/17 7:56 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>
>> I won't be surprised if there were baggage checks at
>> the casino.
>>
>> Mike Hammett wrote:
>>
>> It would be irrational to change your plans, but
>> we're all just people.
>>
>>
>>
>> --

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Jason Wilson]

The last half of this sounds like my house.


Jason Wilson
Remotely Located
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
530-651-1736
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On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 3:06 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> 59 dead, 527 injured,. 18 more guns found at one home with thousands of
> rounds plus electronics of some kind.
>
> On Oct 2, 2017 1:30 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:
>
>> s/clip/magazine
>>
>> Sorry Bill, had to.
>>
>> On 10/2/2017 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>
>> Based on what I heard (so far), it had to take many minutes; maybe 15 or
>> 20 or so. From the sound, you could hear what sounded like automatic weapon
>> fire going and going until the clip was empty (and it sounded like a big
>> clip). Then there was a brief pause (people on the scene described it as
>> "30 seconds"), then another round with another clip. There were at least 6
>> or 7 clips.
>>
>> There are probably eye witness errors in the above description, but if
>> it's even close to correct, it is pretty scary.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 10/2/2017 10:08 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>>
>>
>> How long did this event last?
>> From the time he started shooting how long until police found him and he
>> killed himself ?
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>
>> - Reply message -
>> From: "Rory Conaway"  
>> To: "af@afmug.com"   
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
>> Date: Mon, Oct 2, 2017 11:59 AM
>>
>> I think the best thing to do is wait to see if the authorities can find a
>> motive. I’ve got family up there in Law Enforcement but haven’t heard from
>> them yet.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 2, 2017 9:52 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
>>
>>
>>
>> +1, let's please not get into a political fight.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>>
>> From: "Lewis Bergman" 
>>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>>
>> Sent: 10/2/2017 12:42:08 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
>>
>>
>>
>> While I won't get into gun politics I will say there are a bunch of
>> extremely fervent views on the subject. All dearly felt with logical
>> reasons behind them. I am not sure the opposing sides think the
>> opposition's reasons are valid. I think we can agree, without political
>> discussions, that crazy is crazy. And while I hate to see this like
>> everyone else, I don't think most freedom loving people would be willing to
>> do what it takes to stop all potentially crazy people from doing such
>> things.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would hope to head off any political debates on the list.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:30 AM Jeremy  wrote:
>>
>> I had never seen these bump stop devices.  It is hard to believe that
>> they are legal, and do not require a machine gun license.  I expect that
>> will not last.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Well crazy is crazy no matter what.  I don't care what allegiance they
>> claim..this was a massacre committed by a fucked up person.  People died
>> for no good reason.  As much heat as I will take for this, easy access to
>> guns has got to change.  Fuck the politics.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 2, 2017 10:10 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:
>>
>> Well that is some relief.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Robert  wrote:
>>
>> FBI says no...
>>
>> On 10/2/17 9:09 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>>
>> ISIS is claiming he was a recent convert and they are responsible, not
>> verified yet, but if true is pretty scary.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Lewis Bergman > > wrote:
>>
>> I have never been asked any questions coming in and out of Vegas
>> hotels. There are so many conventions they are used to people who
>> don't like storing all their expensive gear in the conference room
>> or whatever.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:49 AM Steve Jones
>>
>> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> 10 rifles and 10k rounds isnt alot of real estate for travel
>> luggage transport
>>
>> On Oct 2, 2017 10:35 AM, "Jaime Solorza"
>>
>> mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
>>
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Bet you surveillance footage is getting analyzed.  I am
>> aware guns can be disassembled to fit in suitcase or travel
>> bags...but 10 guns if report is accurate...wow.
>> On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 AM, "Robert" >
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Expect metal detectors going in immediately...
>>
>> On 10/2/17 7:56 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>
>> I won't be surprised if there were baggage checks at
>> the casino.
>>
>> Mike Hammett wrote:
>>
>> It would be irrational to change your plans, but
>> we're all just peopl

Re: [AFMUG] OT Cell phone booster

[Chuck McCown]

Link never would open for me.  

From: Sean Heskett 
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 3:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Cell phone booster

This one is much better:

https://www.wilsonamplifiers.com/weboost-drive-4g-x-cell-phone-signal-booster-kit-470510/

The one you linked to only boots the 1 phone and it has to be in the cradle.  

The link I just sent will do multiple devices in the car.

We have them in all our trucks and they work great.  They don't eliminate all 
the coverage holes but they shrink all the holes quite a bit.  

-sean



On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 2:37 PM  wrote:

  
https://cellphonesignalbooster.us/weboost-drive-sleek-3g-4g-lte-vehicle-signal-booster-wilson-470135/?utm_source=Inside+Towers+List&utm_campaign=b3554b45a2-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_09_21&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_af16c4fc22-b3554b45a2-91528485&goal=0_af16c4fc22-b3554b45a2-91528485

  Wish someone would buy one and let me know if it really helps.  

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Carl Peterson]

How on earth does someone buy that many guns and that much ammo without
setting off all sorts of sirens?  You would think ATF would have some sort
of triggers set for when someone buys a bunch of guns and ammo.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:06 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> 59 dead, 527 injured,. 18 more guns found at one home with thousands of
> rounds plus electronics of some kind.
>
> On Oct 2, 2017 1:30 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:
>
>> s/clip/magazine
>>
>> Sorry Bill, had to.
>>
>> On 10/2/2017 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>
>> Based on what I heard (so far), it had to take many minutes; maybe 15 or
>> 20 or so. From the sound, you could hear what sounded like automatic weapon
>> fire going and going until the clip was empty (and it sounded like a big
>> clip). Then there was a brief pause (people on the scene described it as
>> "30 seconds"), then another round with another clip. There were at least 6
>> or 7 clips.
>>
>> There are probably eye witness errors in the above description, but if
>> it's even close to correct, it is pretty scary.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 10/2/2017 10:08 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>>
>>
>> How long did this event last?
>> From the time he started shooting how long until police found him and he
>> killed himself ?
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>
>> - Reply message -
>> From: "Rory Conaway"  
>> To: "af@afmug.com"   
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
>> Date: Mon, Oct 2, 2017 11:59 AM
>>
>> I think the best thing to do is wait to see if the authorities can find a
>> motive. I’ve got family up there in Law Enforcement but haven’t heard from
>> them yet.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 2, 2017 9:52 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
>>
>>
>>
>> +1, let's please not get into a political fight.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>>
>> From: "Lewis Bergman" 
>>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>>
>> Sent: 10/2/2017 12:42:08 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
>>
>>
>>
>> While I won't get into gun politics I will say there are a bunch of
>> extremely fervent views on the subject. All dearly felt with logical
>> reasons behind them. I am not sure the opposing sides think the
>> opposition's reasons are valid. I think we can agree, without political
>> discussions, that crazy is crazy. And while I hate to see this like
>> everyone else, I don't think most freedom loving people would be willing to
>> do what it takes to stop all potentially crazy people from doing such
>> things.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would hope to head off any political debates on the list.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:30 AM Jeremy  wrote:
>>
>> I had never seen these bump stop devices.  It is hard to believe that
>> they are legal, and do not require a machine gun license.  I expect that
>> will not last.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Well crazy is crazy no matter what.  I don't care what allegiance they
>> claim..this was a massacre committed by a fucked up person.  People died
>> for no good reason.  As much heat as I will take for this, easy access to
>> guns has got to change.  Fuck the politics.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 2, 2017 10:10 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:
>>
>> Well that is some relief.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Robert  wrote:
>>
>> FBI says no...
>>
>> On 10/2/17 9:09 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>>
>> ISIS is claiming he was a recent convert and they are responsible, not
>> verified yet, but if true is pretty scary.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Lewis Bergman > > wrote:
>>
>> I have never been asked any questions coming in and out of Vegas
>> hotels. There are so many conventions they are used to people who
>> don't like storing all their expensive gear in the conference room
>> or whatever.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:49 AM Steve Jones
>>
>> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> 10 rifles and 10k rounds isnt alot of real estate for travel
>> luggage transport
>>
>> On Oct 2, 2017 10:35 AM, "Jaime Solorza"
>>
>> mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
>>
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Bet you surveillance footage is getting analyzed.  I am
>> aware guns can be disassembled to fit in suitcase or travel
>> bags...but 10 guns if report is accurate...wow.
>> On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 AM, "Robert" >
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Expect metal detectors going in immediately...
>>
>> On 10/2/17 7:56 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>
>> I won't be surprised if there were baggage checks at
>> the casino.
>>
>> Mike Hammett wrote:
>>
>> It would be irrational to change your plans, but
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Bill Prince]

Based on the number of people shot (~~ 573 last report I heard), if 
there were only "6 or 7" of them, then they weren't mere magazines, but 
catalogs.



bp


On 10/2/2017 12:30 PM, George Skorup wrote:

s/clip/magazine

Sorry Bill, had to.

On 10/2/2017 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


Based on what I heard (so far), it had to take many minutes; maybe 15 
or 20 or so. From the sound, you could hear what sounded like 
automatic weapon fire going and going until the clip was empty (and 
it sounded like a big clip). Then there was a brief pause (people on 
the scene described it as "30 seconds"), then another round with 
another clip. There were at least 6 or 7 clips.


There are probably eye witness errors in the above description, but 
if it's even close to correct, it is pretty scary.



bp


On 10/2/2017 10:08 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:


How long did this event last?
From the time he started shooting how long until police found him 
and he killed himself ?


Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Rory Conaway" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
Date: Mon, Oct 2, 2017 11:59 AM

I think the best thing to do is wait to see if the authorities can 
find a motive. I’ve got family up there in Law Enforcement but 
haven’t heard from them yet.


Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Monday, October 2, 2017 9:52 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

+1, let's please not get into a political fight.

-- Original Message --

From: "Lewis Bergman" >


To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: 10/2/2017 12:42:08 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

While I won't get into gun politics I will say there are a bunch
of extremely fervent views on the subject. All dearly felt with
logical reasons behind them. I am not sure the opposing sides
think the opposition's reasons are valid. I think we can agree,
without political discussions, that crazy is crazy. And while I
hate to see this like everyone else, I don't think most freedom
loving people would be willing to do what it takes to stop all
potentially crazy people from doing such things.

I would hope to head off any political debates on the list.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:30 AM Jeremy mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I had never seen these bump stop devices.  It is hard to
believe that they are legal, and do not require a machine
gun license.  I expect that will not last.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Jaime Solorza
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Well crazy is crazy no matter what.  I don't care what
allegiance they claim..this was a massacre committed by a
fucked up person.  People died for no good reason. As much
heat as I will take for this, easy access to guns has got to
change.  Fuck the politics.

On Oct 2, 2017 10:10 AM, "Cameron Crum" mailto:cc...@wispmon.com>> wrote:

Well that is some relief.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Robert
mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:

FBI says no...

On 10/2/17 9:09 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:

ISIS is claiming he was a recent convert and they
are responsible, not verified yet, but if true is
pretty scary.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Lewis Bergman
mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:

    I have never been asked any questions coming in
and out of Vegas
    hotels. There are so many conventions they are
used to people who
    don't like storing all their expensive gear in
the conference room
    or whatever.

    On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:49 AM Steve Jones

  mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:

        10 rifles and 10k rounds isnt alot of real
estate for travel
        luggage transport

        On Oct 2, 2017 10:35 AM, "Jaime Solorza"

      mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>>


        wrote:

            Bet you surveillance footage is getting
analyzed.  I am
            aware guns can be disassembled to fit in
suitcase or travel
            bags...but 10 guns if report is
accurate...wow.
            On Oct 2, 2017 9

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Jason Wilson]

Very easy. Anyone can buy ammo. Here in California, which us one of the
harder places to buy firearms, I can buy 12 handguns a year. One every 30
days. My wife can do the same. Long guns currently are as many as you can
afford.

On Oct 2, 2017 3:26 PM, "Carl Peterson"  wrote:

> How on earth does someone buy that many guns and that much ammo without
> setting off all sorts of sirens?  You would think ATF would have some sort
> of triggers set for when someone buys a bunch of guns and ammo.
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:06 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> 59 dead, 527 injured,. 18 more guns found at one home with thousands of
>> rounds plus electronics of some kind.
>>
>> On Oct 2, 2017 1:30 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:
>>
>>> s/clip/magazine
>>>
>>> Sorry Bill, had to.
>>>
>>> On 10/2/2017 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>>
>>> Based on what I heard (so far), it had to take many minutes; maybe 15 or
>>> 20 or so. From the sound, you could hear what sounded like automatic weapon
>>> fire going and going until the clip was empty (and it sounded like a big
>>> clip). Then there was a brief pause (people on the scene described it as
>>> "30 seconds"), then another round with another clip. There were at least 6
>>> or 7 clips.
>>>
>>> There are probably eye witness errors in the above description, but if
>>> it's even close to correct, it is pretty scary.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/2/2017 10:08 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> How long did this event last?
>>> From the time he started shooting how long until police found him and he
>>> killed himself ?
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>>
>>> - Reply message -
>>> From: "Rory Conaway"  
>>> To: "af@afmug.com"   
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
>>> Date: Mon, Oct 2, 2017 11:59 AM
>>>
>>> I think the best thing to do is wait to see if the authorities can find
>>> a motive. I’ve got family up there in Law Enforcement but haven’t heard
>>> from them yet.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
>>> *Sent:* Monday, October 2, 2017 9:52 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> +1, let's please not get into a political fight.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>>
>>> From: "Lewis Bergman" 
>>>
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> Sent: 10/2/2017 12:42:08 PM
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> While I won't get into gun politics I will say there are a bunch of
>>> extremely fervent views on the subject. All dearly felt with logical
>>> reasons behind them. I am not sure the opposing sides think the
>>> opposition's reasons are valid. I think we can agree, without political
>>> discussions, that crazy is crazy. And while I hate to see this like
>>> everyone else, I don't think most freedom loving people would be willing to
>>> do what it takes to stop all potentially crazy people from doing such
>>> things.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I would hope to head off any political debates on the list.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:30 AM Jeremy  wrote:
>>>
>>> I had never seen these bump stop devices.  It is hard to believe that
>>> they are legal, and do not require a machine gun license.  I expect that
>>> will not last.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Well crazy is crazy no matter what.  I don't care what allegiance they
>>> claim..this was a massacre committed by a fucked up person.  People died
>>> for no good reason.  As much heat as I will take for this, easy access to
>>> guns has got to change.  Fuck the politics.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 2, 2017 10:10 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Well that is some relief.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Robert  wrote:
>>>
>>> FBI says no...
>>>
>>> On 10/2/17 9:09 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>>>
>>> ISIS is claiming he was a recent convert and they are responsible, not
>>> verified yet, but if true is pretty scary.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Lewis Bergman >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> I have never been asked any questions coming in and out of Vegas
>>> hotels. There are so many conventions they are used to people who
>>> don't like storing all their expensive gear in the conference room
>>> or whatever.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:49 AM Steve Jones
>>>
>>> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 10 rifles and 10k rounds isnt alot of real estate for travel
>>> luggage transport
>>>
>>> On Oct 2, 2017 10:35 AM, "Jaime Solorza"
>>>
>>> mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
>>>
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Bet you surveillance footage is getting analyzed.  I am
>>> aware guns can be disassembled to fit in suitcase or travel
>>> bags...but 10 guns if report is accurate...wow.
>>> On Oct 2,

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Jason Wilson]

I need to clarify my last message. in California we have the pleasure of
waiting 10 days before we can pick up the firearms that we purchased. in
the state of Nevada there is no waiting period and they can be purchased
over the counter

On Oct 2, 2017 3:26 PM, "Carl Peterson"  wrote:

> How on earth does someone buy that many guns and that much ammo without
> setting off all sorts of sirens?  You would think ATF would have some sort
> of triggers set for when someone buys a bunch of guns and ammo.
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:06 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> 59 dead, 527 injured,. 18 more guns found at one home with thousands of
>> rounds plus electronics of some kind.
>>
>> On Oct 2, 2017 1:30 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:
>>
>>> s/clip/magazine
>>>
>>> Sorry Bill, had to.
>>>
>>> On 10/2/2017 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>>
>>> Based on what I heard (so far), it had to take many minutes; maybe 15 or
>>> 20 or so. From the sound, you could hear what sounded like automatic weapon
>>> fire going and going until the clip was empty (and it sounded like a big
>>> clip). Then there was a brief pause (people on the scene described it as
>>> "30 seconds"), then another round with another clip. There were at least 6
>>> or 7 clips.
>>>
>>> There are probably eye witness errors in the above description, but if
>>> it's even close to correct, it is pretty scary.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/2/2017 10:08 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> How long did this event last?
>>> From the time he started shooting how long until police found him and he
>>> killed himself ?
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>>
>>> - Reply message -
>>> From: "Rory Conaway"  
>>> To: "af@afmug.com"   
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
>>> Date: Mon, Oct 2, 2017 11:59 AM
>>>
>>> I think the best thing to do is wait to see if the authorities can find
>>> a motive. I’ve got family up there in Law Enforcement but haven’t heard
>>> from them yet.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
>>> *Sent:* Monday, October 2, 2017 9:52 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> +1, let's please not get into a political fight.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>>
>>> From: "Lewis Bergman" 
>>>
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> Sent: 10/2/2017 12:42:08 PM
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> While I won't get into gun politics I will say there are a bunch of
>>> extremely fervent views on the subject. All dearly felt with logical
>>> reasons behind them. I am not sure the opposing sides think the
>>> opposition's reasons are valid. I think we can agree, without political
>>> discussions, that crazy is crazy. And while I hate to see this like
>>> everyone else, I don't think most freedom loving people would be willing to
>>> do what it takes to stop all potentially crazy people from doing such
>>> things.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I would hope to head off any political debates on the list.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:30 AM Jeremy  wrote:
>>>
>>> I had never seen these bump stop devices.  It is hard to believe that
>>> they are legal, and do not require a machine gun license.  I expect that
>>> will not last.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Well crazy is crazy no matter what.  I don't care what allegiance they
>>> claim..this was a massacre committed by a fucked up person.  People died
>>> for no good reason.  As much heat as I will take for this, easy access to
>>> guns has got to change.  Fuck the politics.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 2, 2017 10:10 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Well that is some relief.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Robert  wrote:
>>>
>>> FBI says no...
>>>
>>> On 10/2/17 9:09 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>>>
>>> ISIS is claiming he was a recent convert and they are responsible, not
>>> verified yet, but if true is pretty scary.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Lewis Bergman >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> I have never been asked any questions coming in and out of Vegas
>>> hotels. There are so many conventions they are used to people who
>>> don't like storing all their expensive gear in the conference room
>>> or whatever.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:49 AM Steve Jones
>>>
>>> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 10 rifles and 10k rounds isnt alot of real estate for travel
>>> luggage transport
>>>
>>> On Oct 2, 2017 10:35 AM, "Jaime Solorza"
>>>
>>> mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
>>>
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Bet you surveillance footage is getting analyzed.  I am
>>> aware guns can be disassembled to fit in suitcase or travel
>>> bags...but 10 guns if report is accurate...wow.
>>> O

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Mike Hammett]

No doubt many of those injuries were caused by the same projectile hitting 
multiple people. Going through multiple arms, bouncing off the ground, etc. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Bill Prince"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, October 2, 2017 5:33:28 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting 


Based on the number of people shot (~~ 573 last report I heard), if there were 
only "6 or 7" of them, then they weren't mere magazines, but catalogs. 

bp
 
On 10/2/2017 12:30 PM, George Skorup wrote: 


s/clip/magazine 

Sorry Bill, had to. 


On 10/2/2017 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote: 



Based on what I heard (so far), it had to take many minutes; maybe 15 or 20 or 
so. From the sound, you could hear what sounded like automatic weapon fire 
going and going until the clip was empty (and it sounded like a big clip). Then 
there was a brief pause (people on the scene described it as "30 seconds"), 
then another round with another clip. There were at least 6 or 7 clips. 

There are probably eye witness errors in the above description, but if it's 
even close to correct, it is pretty scary. 

bp
 
On 10/2/2017 10:08 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: 






How long did this event last? 
>From the time he started shooting how long until police found him and he 
>killed himself ? 


Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone 

- Reply message - 
From: "Rory Conaway"  
To: "af@afmug.com"  
Subject: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting 
Date: Mon, Oct 2, 2017 11:59 AM 


I think the best thing to do is wait to see if the authorities can find a 
motive. I’ve got family up there in Law Enforcement but haven’t heard from them 
yet. 

Rory 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett 
Sent: Monday, October 2, 2017 9:52 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting 


+1, let's please not get into a political fight. 





-- Original Message -- 

From: "Lewis Bergman" < lewis.berg...@gmail.com > 

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: 10/2/2017 12:42:08 PM 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting 






While I won't get into gun politics I will say there are a bunch of extremely 
fervent views on the subject. All dearly felt with logical reasons behind them. 
I am not sure the opposing sides think the opposition's reasons are valid. I 
think we can agree, without political discussions, that crazy is crazy. And 
while I hate to see this like everyone else, I don't think most freedom loving 
people would be willing to do what it takes to stop all potentially crazy 
people from doing such things. 



I would hope to head off any political debates on the list. 



On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:30 AM Jeremy < jeremysmi...@gmail.com > wrote: 



I had never seen these bump stop devices. It is hard to believe that they are 
legal, and do not require a machine gun license. I expect that will not last. 



On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 

Well crazy is crazy no matter what. I don't care what allegiance they 
claim..this was a massacre committed by a fucked up person. People died for no 
good reason. As much heat as I will take for this, easy access to guns has got 
to change. Fuck the politics. 





On Oct 2, 2017 10:10 AM, "Cameron Crum" < cc...@wispmon.com > wrote: 

Well that is some relief. 




On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Robert < i...@avantwireless.com > wrote: 



FBI says no... 

On 10/2/17 9:09 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: 



ISIS is claiming he was a recent convert and they are responsible, not verified 
yet, but if true is pretty scary. 

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Lewis Bergman < lewis.berg...@gmail.com 
> wrote: 

I have never been asked any questions coming in and out of Vegas 
hotels. There are so many conventions they are used to people who 
don't like storing all their expensive gear in the conference room 
or whatever. 

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:49 AM Steve Jones 

< thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: 

10 rifles and 10k rounds isnt alot of real estate for travel 
luggage transport 

On Oct 2, 2017 10:35 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
< losguyswirel...@gmail.com > 


wrote: 

Bet you surveillance footage is getting analyzed. I am 
aware guns can be disassembled to fit in suitcase or travel 
bags...but 10 guns if report is accurate...wow. 
On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 AM, "Robert" < i...@avantwireless.com 

> wrote: 

Expect metal detectors going in immediately... 

On 10/2/17 7:56 AM, Jay Weekley wrote: 

I won't be surprised if there were baggage checks at 
the casino. 

Mike Hammett wrote: 

It would be irrational to change your plans, but 
we're all just people. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
< http://www.ics-il.com/ > 
< https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL 
< https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL >>< 
https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb 
< https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingS

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Josh Reynolds]

Trampling in panic

On Oct 2, 2017 6:06 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> No doubt many of those injuries were caused by the same projectile hitting
> multiple people. Going through multiple arms, bouncing off the ground, etc.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Bill Prince" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, October 2, 2017 5:33:28 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
>
> Based on the number of people shot (~~ 573 last report I heard), if there
> were only "6 or 7" of them, then they weren't mere magazines, but catalogs.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 10/2/2017 12:30 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>
> s/clip/magazine
>
> Sorry Bill, had to.
>
> On 10/2/2017 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> Based on what I heard (so far), it had to take many minutes; maybe 15 or
> 20 or so. From the sound, you could hear what sounded like automatic weapon
> fire going and going until the clip was empty (and it sounded like a big
> clip). Then there was a brief pause (people on the scene described it as
> "30 seconds"), then another round with another clip. There were at least 6
> or 7 clips.
>
> There are probably eye witness errors in the above description, but if
> it's even close to correct, it is pretty scary.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 10/2/2017 10:08 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>
>
> How long did this event last?
> From the time he started shooting how long until police found him and he
> killed himself ?
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Rory Conaway"  
> To: "af@afmug.com"   
> Subject: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
> Date: Mon, Oct 2, 2017 11:59 AM
>
> I think the best thing to do is wait to see if the authorities can find a
> motive. I’ve got family up there in Law Enforcement but haven’t heard from
> them yet.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, October 2, 2017 9:52 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
>
>
>
> +1, let's please not get into a political fight.
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Lewis Bergman" 
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Sent: 10/2/2017 12:42:08 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
>
>
>
> While I won't get into gun politics I will say there are a bunch of
> extremely fervent views on the subject. All dearly felt with logical
> reasons behind them. I am not sure the opposing sides think the
> opposition's reasons are valid. I think we can agree, without political
> discussions, that crazy is crazy. And while I hate to see this like
> everyone else, I don't think most freedom loving people would be willing to
> do what it takes to stop all potentially crazy people from doing such
> things.
>
>
>
> I would hope to head off any political debates on the list.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:30 AM Jeremy  wrote:
>
> I had never seen these bump stop devices.  It is hard to believe that they
> are legal, and do not require a machine gun license.  I expect that will
> not last.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> Well crazy is crazy no matter what.  I don't care what allegiance they
> claim..this was a massacre committed by a fucked up person.  People died
> for no good reason.  As much heat as I will take for this, easy access to
> guns has got to change.  Fuck the politics.
>
>
>
> On Oct 2, 2017 10:10 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:
>
> Well that is some relief.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Robert  wrote:
>
> FBI says no...
>
> On 10/2/17 9:09 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
> ISIS is claiming he was a recent convert and they are responsible, not
> verified yet, but if true is pretty scary.
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Lewis Bergman  > wrote:
>
> I have never been asked any questions coming in and out of Vegas
> hotels. There are so many conventions they are used to people who
> don't like storing all their expensive gear in the conference room
> or whatever.
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:49 AM Steve Jones
>
> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> 10 rifles and 10k rounds isnt alot of real estate for travel
> luggage transport
>
> On Oct 2, 2017 10:35 AM, "Jaime Solorza"
>
> mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
>
>
> wrote:
>
> Bet you surveil

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Mike Hammett]

No doubt. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Josh Reynolds"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, October 2, 2017 6:32:17 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting 


Trampling in panic 


On Oct 2, 2017 6:06 PM, "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




No doubt many of those injuries were caused by the same projectile hitting 
multiple people. Going through multiple arms, bouncing off the ground, etc. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Bill Prince" < part15...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, October 2, 2017 5:33:28 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting 


Based on the number of people shot (~~ 573 last report I heard), if there were 
only "6 or 7" of them, then they weren't mere magazines, but catalogs. 

bp
 
On 10/2/2017 12:30 PM, George Skorup wrote: 


s/clip/magazine 

Sorry Bill, had to. 


On 10/2/2017 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote: 



Based on what I heard (so far), it had to take many minutes; maybe 15 or 20 or 
so. From the sound, you could hear what sounded like automatic weapon fire 
going and going until the clip was empty (and it sounded like a big clip). Then 
there was a brief pause (people on the scene described it as "30 seconds"), 
then another round with another clip. There were at least 6 or 7 clips. 

There are probably eye witness errors in the above description, but if it's 
even close to correct, it is pretty scary. 

bp
 
On 10/2/2017 10:08 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: 






How long did this event last? 
>From the time he started shooting how long until police found him and he 
>killed himself ? 


Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone 

- Reply message - 
From: "Rory Conaway"  
To: "af@afmug.com"  
Subject: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting 
Date: Mon, Oct 2, 2017 11:59 AM 


I think the best thing to do is wait to see if the authorities can find a 
motive. I’ve got family up there in Law Enforcement but haven’t heard from them 
yet. 

Rory 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett 
Sent: Monday, October 2, 2017 9:52 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting 


+1, let's please not get into a political fight. 





-- Original Message -- 

From: "Lewis Bergman" < lewis.berg...@gmail.com > 

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: 10/2/2017 12:42:08 PM 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting 






While I won't get into gun politics I will say there are a bunch of extremely 
fervent views on the subject. All dearly felt with logical reasons behind them. 
I am not sure the opposing sides think the opposition's reasons are valid. I 
think we can agree, without political discussions, that crazy is crazy. And 
while I hate to see this like everyone else, I don't think most freedom loving 
people would be willing to do what it takes to stop all potentially crazy 
people from doing such things. 



I would hope to head off any political debates on the list. 



On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:30 AM Jeremy < jeremysmi...@gmail.com > wrote: 



I had never seen these bump stop devices. It is hard to believe that they are 
legal, and do not require a machine gun license. I expect that will not last. 



On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 

Well crazy is crazy no matter what. I don't care what allegiance they 
claim..this was a massacre committed by a fucked up person. People died for no 
good reason. As much heat as I will take for this, easy access to guns has got 
to change. Fuck the politics. 





On Oct 2, 2017 10:10 AM, "Cameron Crum" < cc...@wispmon.com > wrote: 

Well that is some relief. 




On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Robert < i...@avantwireless.com > wrote: 



FBI says no... 

On 10/2/17 9:09 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: 



ISIS is claiming he was a recent convert and they are responsible, not verified 
yet, but if true is pretty scary. 

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Lewis Bergman < lewis.berg...@gmail.com 
> wrote: 

I have never been asked any questions coming in and out of Vegas 
hotels. There are so many conventions they are used to people who 
don't like storing all their expensive gear in the conference room 
or whatever. 

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:49 AM Steve Jones 

< thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: 

10 rifles and 10k rounds isnt alot of real estate for travel 
luggage transport 

On Oct 2, 2017 10:35 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
< losguyswirel...@gmail.com > 


wrote: 

Bet you surveillance footage is getting analyzed. I am 
aware guns can be disassembled to fit in suitcase or travel 
bags...but 10 guns if report is accurate...wow. 
On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 AM, "Robert" < i...@avantwireless.com 

> wrote: 

Expect metal detectors going in immediately... 

On 10/2/17 7:56 AM, Jay Weekley wrote: 

I won't be surprised if there were baggage checks at 
the casin

Re: [AFMUG] OT Cell phone booster

[Josh Luthman]

Works for me...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:25 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Link never would open for me.
>
> *From:* Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Monday, October 02, 2017 3:56 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Cell phone booster
>
> This one is much better:
>
> https://www.wilsonamplifiers.com/weboost-drive-4g-x-cell-
> phone-signal-booster-kit-470510/
>
> The one you linked to only boots the 1 phone and it has to be in the
> cradle.
>
> The link I just sent will do multiple devices in the car.
>
> We have them in all our trucks and they work great.  They don't eliminate
> all the coverage holes but they shrink all the holes quite a bit.
>
> -sean
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 2:37 PM  wrote:
>
>> https://cellphonesignalbooster.us/weboost-drive-sleek-3g-4g-lte-
>> vehicle-signal-booster-wilson-470135/?utm_source=Inside+
>> Towers+List&utm_campaign=b3554b45a2-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_
>> 2017_09_21&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_af16c4fc22-
>> b3554b45a2-91528485&goal=0_af16c4fc22-b3554b45a2-91528485
>>
>> Wish someone would buy one and let me know if it really helps.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Cell phone booster

[Sean Heskett]

You can also try a google or amazon search for weboost drive 4g-x

-Sean

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 3:25 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Link never would open for me.
>
> *From:* Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Monday, October 02, 2017 3:56 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Cell phone booster
> This one is much better:
>
>
> https://www.wilsonamplifiers.com/weboost-drive-4g-x-cell-phone-signal-booster-kit-470510/
>
> The one you linked to only boots the 1 phone and it has to be in the
> cradle.
>
> The link I just sent will do multiple devices in the car.
>
> We have them in all our trucks and they work great.  They don't eliminate
> all the coverage holes but they shrink all the holes quite a bit.
>
> -sean
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 2:37 PM  wrote:
>
>>
>> https://cellphonesignalbooster.us/weboost-drive-sleek-3g-4g-lte-vehicle-signal-booster-wilson-470135/?utm_source=Inside+Towers+List&utm_campaign=b3554b45a2-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_09_21&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_af16c4fc22-b3554b45a2-91528485&goal=0_af16c4fc22-b3554b45a2-91528485
>>
>> Wish someone would buy one and let me know if it really helps.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Cell phone booster

[Jaime Solorza]

SureCall has new vehicle versions as well

On Oct 2, 2017 6:07 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

> Works for me...
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:25 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Link never would open for me.
>>
>> *From:* Sean Heskett
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 02, 2017 3:56 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Cell phone booster
>>
>> This one is much better:
>>
>> https://www.wilsonamplifiers.com/weboost-drive-4g-x-cell-pho
>> ne-signal-booster-kit-470510/
>>
>> The one you linked to only boots the 1 phone and it has to be in the
>> cradle.
>>
>> The link I just sent will do multiple devices in the car.
>>
>> We have them in all our trucks and they work great.  They don't eliminate
>> all the coverage holes but they shrink all the holes quite a bit.
>>
>> -sean
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 2:37 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> https://cellphonesignalbooster.us/weboost-drive-sleek-3g-4g-
>>> lte-vehicle-signal-booster-wilson-470135/?utm_source=
>>> Inside+Towers+List&utm_campaign=b3554b45a2-EMAIL_
>>> CAMPAIGN_2017_09_21&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_af16c4fc22-b3554b45a2-
>>> 91528485&goal=0_af16c4fc22-b3554b45a2-91528485
>>>
>>> Wish someone would buy one and let me know if it really helps.
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Lewis Bergman]

I only buy 5.56 and in boxes of 1000. I usually have a few around. When I
shoot I have a half dozen people maybe and we go through at least a five
hundred rounds.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017, 5:26 PM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> How on earth does someone buy that many guns and that much ammo without
> setting off all sorts of sirens?  You would think ATF would have some sort
> of triggers set for when someone buys a bunch of guns and ammo.
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:06 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> 59 dead, 527 injured,. 18 more guns found at one home with thousands of
>> rounds plus electronics of some kind.
>>
> On Oct 2, 2017 1:30 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:
>>
> s/clip/magazine
>>>
>>> Sorry Bill, had to.
>>>
>>> On 10/2/2017 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>>
>>> Based on what I heard (so far), it had to take many minutes; maybe 15 or
>>> 20 or so. From the sound, you could hear what sounded like automatic weapon
>>> fire going and going until the clip was empty (and it sounded like a big
>>> clip). Then there was a brief pause (people on the scene described it as
>>> "30 seconds"), then another round with another clip. There were at least 6
>>> or 7 clips.
>>>
>>> There are probably eye witness errors in the above description, but if
>>> it's even close to correct, it is pretty scary.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/2/2017 10:08 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> How long did this event last?
>>> From the time he started shooting how long until police found him and he
>>> killed himself ?
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>>
>>> - Reply message -
>>> From: "Rory Conaway"  
>>> To: "af@afmug.com"   
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
>>> Date: Mon, Oct 2, 2017 11:59 AM
>>>
>>> I think the best thing to do is wait to see if the authorities can find
>>> a motive. I’ve got family up there in Law Enforcement but haven’t heard
>>> from them yet.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
>>> *Sent:* Monday, October 2, 2017 9:52 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> +1, let's please not get into a political fight.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>>
>>> From: "Lewis Bergman" 
>>>
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> Sent: 10/2/2017 12:42:08 PM
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> While I won't get into gun politics I will say there are a bunch of
>>> extremely fervent views on the subject. All dearly felt with logical
>>> reasons behind them. I am not sure the opposing sides think the
>>> opposition's reasons are valid. I think we can agree, without political
>>> discussions, that crazy is crazy. And while I hate to see this like
>>> everyone else, I don't think most freedom loving people would be willing to
>>> do what it takes to stop all potentially crazy people from doing such
>>> things.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I would hope to head off any political debates on the list.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:30 AM Jeremy  wrote:
>>>
>>> I had never seen these bump stop devices.  It is hard to believe that
>>> they are legal, and do not require a machine gun license.  I expect that
>>> will not last.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Well crazy is crazy no matter what.  I don't care what allegiance they
>>> claim..this was a massacre committed by a fucked up person.  People died
>>> for no good reason.  As much heat as I will take for this, easy access to
>>> guns has got to change.  Fuck the politics.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 2, 2017 10:10 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Well that is some relief.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Robert  wrote:
>>>
>>> FBI says no...
>>>
>>> On 10/2/17 9:09 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>>>
>>> ISIS is claiming he was a recent convert and they are responsible, not
>>> verified yet, but if true is pretty scary.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Lewis Bergman >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> I have never been asked any questions coming in and out of Vegas
>>> hotels. There are so many conventions they are used to people who
>>> don't like storing all their expensive gear in the conference room
>>> or whatever.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:49 AM Steve Jones
>>>
>>> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 10 rifles and 10k rounds isnt alot of real estate for travel
>>> luggage transport
>>>
>>> On Oct 2, 2017 10:35 AM, "Jaime Solorza"
>>>
>>> mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
>>>
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Bet you surveillance footage is getting analyzed.  I am
>>> aware guns can be disassembled to fit in suitcase or travel
>>> bags...but 10 guns if report is accurate...wow.
>>> On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 AM, "Robert" >>
>>> 

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[George Skorup]

We have the FOID in IL. You cannot buy or transport firearms or ammo 
without your card on you. Our CCL is a completely separate card, and 
yep, you gotta have both on you to carry.
Our waiting periods are 1 day for long guns, 3 days for hand guns. Our 
4473s/background checks are ran through both the IL State Police and NICS.


So no, it is not "easy" to buy guns legally for the law-abiding here.

None of this stops the gang bangers from getting guns. Nor the quiet nut 
jobs.


On 10/2/2017 6:05 PM, Jason Wilson wrote:
I need to clarify my last message. in California we have the pleasure 
of waiting 10 days before we can pick up the firearms that we 
purchased. in the state of Nevada there is no waiting period and they 
can be purchased over the counter


On Oct 2, 2017 3:26 PM, "Carl Peterson" > wrote:


How on earth does someone buy that many guns and that much ammo
without setting off all sorts of sirens?  You would think ATF
would have some sort of triggers set for when someone buys a bunch
of guns and ammo.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:06 PM, Jaime Solorza
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

59 dead, 527 injured,. 18 more guns found at one home with
thousands of rounds plus electronics of some kind.

On Oct 2, 2017 1:30 PM, "George Skorup"
mailto:george.sko...@cbcast.com>>
wrote:

s/clip/magazine

Sorry Bill, had to.

On 10/2/2017 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


Based on what I heard (so far), it had to take many
minutes; maybe 15 or 20 or so. From the sound, you could
hear what sounded like automatic weapon fire going and
going until the clip was empty (and it sounded like a big
clip). Then there was a brief pause (people on the scene
described it as "30 seconds"), then another round with
another clip. There were at least 6 or 7 clips.

There are probably eye witness errors in the above
description, but if it's even close to correct, it is
pretty scary.


bp


On 10/2/2017 10:08 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:


How long did this event last?
From the time he started shooting how long until police
found him and he killed himself ?

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Rory Conaway" 

To: "af@afmug.com"  

Subject: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
Date: Mon, Oct 2, 2017 11:59 AM

I think the best thing to do is wait to see if the
authorities can find a motive. I’ve got family up there
in Law Enforcement but haven’t heard from them yet.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Monday, October 2, 2017 9:52 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

+1, let's please not get into a political fight.

-- Original Message --

From: "Lewis Bergman" mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>>

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: 10/2/2017 12:42:08 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

While I won't get into gun politics I will say there
are a bunch of extremely fervent views on the
subject. All dearly felt with logical reasons behind
them. I am not sure the opposing sides think the
opposition's reasons are valid. I think we can
agree, without political discussions, that crazy is
crazy. And while I hate to see this like everyone
else, I don't think most freedom loving people would
be willing to do what it takes to stop all
potentially crazy people from doing such things.

I would hope to head off any political debates on
the list.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:30 AM Jeremy
mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I had never seen these bump stop devices.  It is
hard to believe that they are legal, and do not
require a machine gun license.  I expect that
will not last.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Jaime Solorza
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Well crazy is crazy no matter what.  I don't
care what allegiance they claim..this was a
massacre committed by a fucked up person. 
People died for no g

[AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?

[Rory Conaway]

I've got a remote link, 5 miles, with about ½ mile of trees.  I'm going to test 
2.4GHz tomorrow but am interested in some of the LTE products that might be out 
there.

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"It's not the team with the best players that win, it's the players with the 
best team that wins!" - Humphrey Bogart

Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?

[Josh Reynolds]

Be prepared to drop a lot of coin for LTE.

On Oct 2, 2017 9:27 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

> I’ve got a remote link, 5 miles, with about ½ mile of trees.  I’m going to
> test 2.4GHz tomorrow but am interested in some of the LTE products that
> might be out there.
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37 th
> Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> *“It’s not the team with the best players that win, it’s the players with
> the best team that wins!”* — Humphrey Bogart
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?

[Jaime Solorza]

Not sure who is shipping LTE products in those bands yet but WISP friend of
mine has an AF2x shooting just under 5 miles working exceptionally well..

On Oct 2, 2017 8:27 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

> I’ve got a remote link, 5 miles, with about ½ mile of trees.  I’m going to
> test 2.4GHz tomorrow but am interested in some of the LTE products that
> might be out there.
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37 th
> Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> *“It’s not the team with the best players that win, it’s the players with
> the best team that wins!”* — Humphrey Bogart
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?

[Nathan Anderson]

I'm confused by the use of "PtP" and "LTE" in the same sentence.

-- Nathan

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 7:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 
2.4GHz?

I've got a remote link, 5 miles, with about ½ mile of trees.  I'm going to test 
2.4GHz tomorrow but am interested in some of the LTE products that might be out 
there.

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"It's not the team with the best players that win, it's the players with the 
best team that wins!" - Humphrey Bogart

Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah... LTE isn't particularly well suited to PTP. I guess you could make
it work, but it's going to be a little messy. Baicells would probably be
the only realistic option, since you wouldn't want to be dealing with an
actual LTE core. If you want to try using 3.65ghz, airfiber is probably the
best option, but if there's a low noise floor, 2.4ghz is going to work
better. 900mhz could also be an option if noise isn't too bad.

On Oct 2, 2017 9:37 PM, "Nathan Anderson"  wrote:

I'm confused by the use of "PtP" and "LTE" in the same sentence.



-- Nathan



*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
*Sent:* Monday, October 02, 2017 7:27 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for
3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?



I’ve got a remote link, 5 miles, with about ½ mile of trees.  I’m going to
test 2.4GHz tomorrow but am interested in some of the LTE products that
might be out there.



*Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*

*4226 S. 37 th
Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*

*602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*

*r...@triadwireless.net *

*www.triadwireless.net *



*“It’s not the team with the best players that win, it’s the players with
the best team that wins!”* — Humphrey Bogart

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

After some thought on the whole 'could tougher gun control have prevented
this tragedy' topic, I've sort of come to the conclusion that with one
possible exception, there really isn't anything which would have made much
of a difference.

Assuming that the shooter has a perfectly clean record (he did), you have
to look at what restrictions you're willing to put on recreational gun
owners.  In every case I've thought of (restricting total number of guns,
restricting ammo purchases, etc.), it seems based on the information we
have that this attack could have been carried out with access to the exact
same arsenal that a recreational gun user should have access to.
(Assuming one buys into the belief that there should be recreational gun
users - let's NOT go down that path, since that would definitely end up
leading to somewhere we don't want to go on this list).

The only possible additional restriction I can see which may have helped is
further restricting devices designed to effectively convert non-automatic
weapons to automatic functions.  I find it irrational that one would
restrict automatic weapons, but would not apply similar restrictions to
"conversion" products. On the other hand, I can think of dozens of ways
to modify a semi-automatic to automatic functions, many of which made
easier to accomplish with the prevalence of 3d printing.

Which leads me to the belief that we need to go deeper into the cause
here.   Access to guns is not the problem.   Having people who want to use
guns (or other weapons) in this way is the problem - the question is how do
we solve that one?

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 7:39 PM, George Skorup 
wrote:

> We have the FOID in IL. You cannot buy or transport firearms or ammo
> without your card on you. Our CCL is a completely separate card, and yep,
> you gotta have both on you to carry.
> Our waiting periods are 1 day for long guns, 3 days for hand guns. Our
> 4473s/background checks are ran through both the IL State Police and NICS.
>
> So no, it is not "easy" to buy guns legally for the law-abiding here.
>
> None of this stops the gang bangers from getting guns. Nor the quiet nut
> jobs.
>
> On 10/2/2017 6:05 PM, Jason Wilson wrote:
>
> I need to clarify my last message. in California we have the pleasure of
> waiting 10 days before we can pick up the firearms that we purchased. in
> the state of Nevada there is no waiting period and they can be purchased
> over the counter
>
> On Oct 2, 2017 3:26 PM, "Carl Peterson" 
> wrote:
>
>> How on earth does someone buy that many guns and that much ammo without
>> setting off all sorts of sirens?  You would think ATF would have some sort
>> of triggers set for when someone buys a bunch of guns and ammo.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:06 PM, Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 59 dead, 527 injured,. 18 more guns found at one home with thousands of
>>> rounds plus electronics of some kind.
>>>
>>> On Oct 2, 2017 1:30 PM, "George Skorup" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 s/clip/magazine

 Sorry Bill, had to.

 On 10/2/2017 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

 Based on what I heard (so far), it had to take many minutes; maybe 15
 or 20 or so. From the sound, you could hear what sounded like automatic
 weapon fire going and going until the clip was empty (and it sounded like a
 big clip). Then there was a brief pause (people on the scene described it
 as "30 seconds"), then another round with another clip. There were at least
 6 or 7 clips.

 There are probably eye witness errors in the above description, but if
 it's even close to correct, it is pretty scary.


 bp
 


 On 10/2/2017 10:08 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:


 How long did this event last?
 From the time he started shooting how long until police found him and
 he killed himself ?

 Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

 - Reply message -
 From: "Rory Conaway"  
 To: "af@afmug.com"   
 Subject: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
 Date: Mon, Oct 2, 2017 11:59 AM

 I think the best thing to do is wait to see if the authorities can find
 a motive. I’ve got family up there in Law Enforcement but haven’t heard
 from them yet.



 Rory



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
 Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
 *Sent:* Monday, October 2, 2017 9:52 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting



 +1, let's please not get into a political fight.





 -- Original Message --

 From: "Lewis Bergman" 

 To: af@afmug.com

 Sent: 10/2/2017 12:42:08 PM

 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting



 While I won't get into gun politics I will say there are a bunch of
 extremely fervent views on the subject. All dearly felt with logical
 reasons behind them. I am not sure the opposing sides think 

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Sterling Jacobson]

What about medical history and medicine if any he was on?

I’m thinking we should have enough data with about one shooting incident a day 
in the US now, that would allow us to narrow down on the mental state of these 
people.

Because we can all agree it’s not a normal person that acts on an impulse to 
kill numbers of people randomly.

If it’s incidental, that can be harder to find, track and prevent.

But if it’s say someone on a prescription medication that has psychotropic side 
effects, maybe they shouldn’t have the right to a gun?

Three of my sons take such various medications for various mental things like 
that.

I would not want them to have access to a gun at any time.

And if they continue to have to use the medicine to function ‘normally’ in 
society, I would agree with anyone that says they should not be allowed to 
possess an unrestricted firearm, ever.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
Account)
Sent: Monday, October 2, 2017 10:05 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

After some thought on the whole 'could tougher gun control have prevented this 
tragedy' topic, I've sort of come to the conclusion that with one possible 
exception, there really isn't anything which would have made much of a 
difference.

Assuming that the shooter has a perfectly clean record (he did), you have to 
look at what restrictions you're willing to put on recreational gun owners.  In 
every case I've thought of (restricting total number of guns, restricting ammo 
purchases, etc.), it seems based on the information we have that this attack 
could have been carried out with access to the exact same arsenal that a 
recreational gun user should have access to.   (Assuming one buys into the 
belief that there should be recreational gun users - let's NOT go down that 
path, since that would definitely end up leading to somewhere we don't want to 
go on this list).

The only possible additional restriction I can see which may have helped is 
further restricting devices designed to effectively convert non-automatic 
weapons to automatic functions.  I find it irrational that one would restrict 
automatic weapons, but would not apply similar restrictions to "conversion" 
products. On the other hand, I can think of dozens of ways to modify a 
semi-automatic to automatic functions, many of which made easier to accomplish 
with the prevalence of 3d printing.

Which leads me to the belief that we need to go deeper into the cause here.   
Access to guns is not the problem.   Having people who want to use guns (or 
other weapons) in this way is the problem - the question is how do we solve 
that one?

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 7:39 PM, George Skorup 
mailto:george.sko...@cbcast.com>> wrote:
We have the FOID in IL. You cannot buy or transport firearms or ammo without 
your card on you. Our CCL is a completely separate card, and yep, you gotta 
have both on you to carry.
Our waiting periods are 1 day for long guns, 3 days for hand guns. Our 
4473s/background checks are ran through both the IL State Police and NICS.

So no, it is not "easy" to buy guns legally for the law-abiding here.

None of this stops the gang bangers from getting guns. Nor the quiet nut jobs.
On 10/2/2017 6:05 PM, Jason Wilson wrote:
I need to clarify my last message. in California we have the pleasure of 
waiting 10 days before we can pick up the firearms that we purchased. in the 
state of Nevada there is no waiting period and they can be purchased over the 
counter

On Oct 2, 2017 3:26 PM, "Carl Peterson" 
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:
How on earth does someone buy that many guns and that much ammo without setting 
off all sorts of sirens?  You would think ATF would have some sort of triggers 
set for when someone buys a bunch of guns and ammo.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:06 PM, Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
59 dead, 527 injured,. 18 more guns found at one home with thousands of rounds 
plus electronics of some kind.

On Oct 2, 2017 1:30 PM, "George Skorup" 
mailto:george.sko...@cbcast.com>> wrote:
s/clip/magazine

Sorry Bill, had to.
On 10/2/2017 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

Based on what I heard (so far), it had to take many minutes; maybe 15 or 20 or 
so. From the sound, you could hear what sounded like automatic weapon fire 
going and going until the clip was empty (and it sounded like a big clip). Then 
there was a brief pause (people on the scene described it as "30 seconds"), 
then another round with another clip. There were at least 6 or 7 clips.

There are probably eye witness errors in the above description, but if it's 
even close to correct, it is pretty scary.



bp




On 10/2/2017 10:08 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

How long did this event last?
From the time he started shooting how long until police found him and he killed 
himself ?

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Rory Conaway" 

[AFMUG] Ot: nk connectivity

[Steve Jones]

Supreme leader of most powerful internet doubles capacity to destroy
captalist pig dogs
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/10/02/north-korea-appears-to-have-a-new-internet-connection-thanks-to-the-help-of-a-state-owned-russian-firm/?utm_term=.c014afd6f032