[AFMUG] Best battery values

[chuck]

Need to build a 2 kW UPS for my server rack at my office.

Eltek/Valere rectifiers for sure.

Not sure what inverter I will go with yet.  
Gonna run 100% inverter with a transfer switch in the event the inverter dies.  

But what is the best value for batts these days.  

I see Rolls at 13 cents per watt hour.

Trojans for 16 cents (but they have ribs and a reservoir tip).

Got a quote for absolyte types for about 18 cents.  

What else is out there?  Truck starter batteries can be had for 10 cents but I 
doubt their longevity.  

Re: [AFMUG] Product issue - UPDATE

[Dustin Jurman]

Hmmm replacement or new liver.  These are hard choices.

Get Outlook for Android




On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 3:12 PM -0700, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:

I am suffering mental duress from this...twelve pack of Tecate will give 
immediate relief...aju

On Oct 13, 2017 3:49 PM, "Mathew Howard" 
> wrote:
I was also stressed. I had to look and see that the ones I have sitting on the 
shelf were rev D... that should be worth a couple million in pain and suffering.

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
the stress of this cost me 15 million dollars in pain and suffering, ill settle 
out of court for half that, or some beer
I didnt buy any of these, but was stressed

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 10:20 AM, > 
wrote:
I have a 30 second secondary process for these units the fixes the problem.  I 
can do advance replacements or whatever anyone wants that was affected by this 
problem.

From: ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 1:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Product issue

My latest GIGE-APC-HV REV F has a mechanical issue.

This has only been shipping about a month.
(September 16 is the date of my test results).

There is a problem when installing two of these units side by side in a shelf.
There may be some interference between the jack pins on one board and the jack 
shields of the adjacent board.

This can be fixed easily and we have modified our production process to solve 
this problem, but we know a few of the REV F boards have shipped.

Please check your inventory/received orders and let us swap it immediately.
Good thing is this has the best return loss and NEXT of any product I have ever 
made...

(Of course you can also just skip every other rack slot too...)

Sorry for the problem folks.

Re: [AFMUG] Product issue - UPDATE

[Jaime Solorza]

I am suffering mental duress from this...twelve pack of Tecate will give
immediate relief...aju

On Oct 13, 2017 3:49 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:

> I was also stressed. I had to look and see that the ones I have sitting on
> the shelf were rev D... that should be worth a couple million in pain and
> suffering.
>
> On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> the stress of this cost me 15 million dollars in pain and suffering, ill
>> settle out of court for half that, or some beer
>> I didnt buy any of these, but was stressed
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 10:20 AM,  wrote:
>>
>>> I have a 30 second secondary process for these units the fixes the
>>> problem.  I can do advance replacements or whatever anyone wants that was
>>> affected by this problem.
>>>
>>> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 12, 2017 1:26 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Product issue
>>>
>>> My latest GIGE-APC-HV REV F has a mechanical issue.
>>>
>>> This has only been shipping about a month.
>>> (September 16 is the date of my test results).
>>>
>>> There is a problem when installing two of these units side by side in a
>>> shelf.
>>> There may be some interference between the jack pins on one board and
>>> the jack shields of the adjacent board.
>>>
>>> This can be fixed easily and we have modified our production process to
>>> solve this problem, but we know a few of the REV F boards have shipped.
>>>
>>> Please check your inventory/received orders and let us swap it
>>> immediately.
>>> Good thing is this has the best return loss and NEXT of any product I
>>> have ever made...
>>>
>>> (Of course you can also just skip every other rack slot too...)
>>>
>>> Sorry for the problem folks.
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Product issue - UPDATE

[Mathew Howard]

I was also stressed. I had to look and see that the ones I have sitting on
the shelf were rev D... that should be worth a couple million in pain and
suffering.

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> the stress of this cost me 15 million dollars in pain and suffering, ill
> settle out of court for half that, or some beer
> I didnt buy any of these, but was stressed
>
> On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 10:20 AM,  wrote:
>
>> I have a 30 second secondary process for these units the fixes the
>> problem.  I can do advance replacements or whatever anyone wants that was
>> affected by this problem.
>>
>> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 12, 2017 1:26 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Product issue
>>
>> My latest GIGE-APC-HV REV F has a mechanical issue.
>>
>> This has only been shipping about a month.
>> (September 16 is the date of my test results).
>>
>> There is a problem when installing two of these units side by side in a
>> shelf.
>> There may be some interference between the jack pins on one board and the
>> jack shields of the adjacent board.
>>
>> This can be fixed easily and we have modified our production process to
>> solve this problem, but we know a few of the REV F boards have shipped.
>>
>> Please check your inventory/received orders and let us swap it
>> immediately.
>> Good thing is this has the best return loss and NEXT of any product I
>> have ever made...
>>
>> (Of course you can also just skip every other rack slot too...)
>>
>> Sorry for the problem folks.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Apparently 477 is not enough

[chuck]

Who is gonna know or point it out?

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 3:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Apparently 477 is not enough

I guess the real question is what is the penalty for including an address that 
you can't cover, or don't know for sure that you can cover?   

What is the criteria for serving an address?  I can provide service just about 
anywhere for the right amount of money...

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 1:13 PM,  wrote:

  Well, if you want a chance for gravy, you either need to claim the turf based 
on what you know of the area and desk top surveys like Radio Mobile.

  Or just say you cover it not knowing if you do or not.

  Or, don't claim it because there is a lack of certainty.

  Or you can spend the time and go out and actually do a signal survey of every 
single address.

  Whatever your level of scrupulosity dictates I guess...

  I am certain that any opportunities will pass over unclaimed turf.

  Personally, basing it on current customers and radio mobile, I would have no 
guilty feelings claiming adjacent turf.
  You only have to say you can serve it within 10 days of being asked.  That 
gives time for roof top tripods, tree trimming etc.

  -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
  Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 11:30 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Apparently 477 is not enough


  On 10/13/17 9:48 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Most counties and all 911 systems have the MSAG Master Street Addressing 
Guide.
Just a database cut and paste job.



  Cut and paste doesn't do site surveys for each of those addresses. 

Re: [AFMUG] Apparently 477 is not enough

[Adam Moffett]

I think those issues are vague at this moment.


-- Original Message --
From: "Jason McKemie" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 10/13/2017 5:08:40 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Apparently 477 is not enough

I guess the real question is what is the penalty for including an 
address that you can't cover, or don't know for sure that you can 
cover?


What is the criteria for serving an address?  I can provide service 
just about anywhere for the right amount of money...


On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 1:13 PM,  wrote:
Well, if you want a chance for gravy, you either need to claim the 
turf based on what you know of the area and desk top surveys like 
Radio Mobile.


Or just say you cover it not knowing if you do or not.

Or, don't claim it because there is a lack of certainty.

Or you can spend the time and go out and actually do a signal survey 
of every single address.


Whatever your level of scrupulosity dictates I guess...

I am certain that any opportunities will pass over unclaimed turf.

Personally, basing it on current customers and radio mobile, I would 
have no guilty feelings claiming adjacent turf.
You only have to say you can serve it within 10 days of being asked.  
That gives time for roof top tripods, tree trimming etc.


-Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 11:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Apparently 477 is not enough

On 10/13/17 9:48 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Most counties and all 911 systems have the MSAG Master Street 
Addressing Guide.

Just a database cut and paste job.



Cut and paste doesn't do site surveys for each of those addresses.

Re: [AFMUG] Apparently 477 is not enough

[Jason McKemie]

I guess the real question is what is the penalty for including an address
that you can't cover, or don't know for sure that you can cover?

What is the criteria for serving an address?  I can provide service just
about anywhere for the right amount of money...

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 1:13 PM,  wrote:

> Well, if you want a chance for gravy, you either need to claim the turf
> based on what you know of the area and desk top surveys like Radio Mobile.
>
> Or just say you cover it not knowing if you do or not.
>
> Or, don't claim it because there is a lack of certainty.
>
> Or you can spend the time and go out and actually do a signal survey of
> every single address.
>
> Whatever your level of scrupulosity dictates I guess...
>
> I am certain that any opportunities will pass over unclaimed turf.
>
> Personally, basing it on current customers and radio mobile, I would have
> no guilty feelings claiming adjacent turf.
> You only have to say you can serve it within 10 days of being asked.  That
> gives time for roof top tripods, tree trimming etc.
>
> -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 11:30 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Apparently 477 is not enough
>
> On 10/13/17 9:48 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
>> Most counties and all 911 systems have the MSAG Master Street Addressing
>> Guide.
>> Just a database cut and paste job.
>>
>
>
> Cut and paste doesn't do site surveys for each of those addresses.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Apparently 477 is not enough

[Brian Webster]

911 address level data is not universally available! 

 

Some states and counties either don’t publish it or require you to buy the 
data. The quality is not standardized either. Drives me crazy when in the 
middle of a project and one stupid county hasn’t published their data when 
everyone around them has. You will also find that the address points in many 
counties only code to that section of road frontage, not the actual structure.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 1:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Apparently 477 is not enough

 

Right now NY State is funding construction in areas that have service because 
those service providers failed to supply any 477 data at all.  They're also NOT 
funding construction in places that DON'T have service because someone touches 
the census block but doesn't serve everybody.

 

IMO, IF they're going to put public money into it, they either need to require 
that you only claim census blocks when you serve the entire thing, or do 
something more granular than census blocks.  I don't know how hard this is in 
other states, but I can easily get E911 locations and compare to where service 
is available.  It takes a trivial amount of time with GIS software.

 

Whether public money should be invested this way at all is a different 
question.  I'm just saying IF they're going to do it, then census blocks is not 
accurate enough.  Also, whatever they ask for you should submit it, otherwise 
you'll have somebody building on top of you with public money.

 

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Jason McKemie" 

To: "af@afmug.com" 

Sent: 10/13/2017 12:10:50 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Apparently 477 is not enough

 

Each street address or household? Are you kidding me? These tech sites are so 
misguided as far as ISPs go it is pathetic.

On Friday, October 13, 2017, Steve Jones  wrote:

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/10/isps-dont-want-to-tell-the-fcc-exactly-where-they-offer-internet-service/

Re: [AFMUG] Apparently 477 is not enough

[chuck]

Well, if you want a chance for gravy, you either need to claim the turf 
based on what you know of the area and desk top surveys like Radio Mobile.


Or just say you cover it not knowing if you do or not.

Or, don't claim it because there is a lack of certainty.

Or you can spend the time and go out and actually do a signal survey of 
every single address.


Whatever your level of scrupulosity dictates I guess...

I am certain that any opportunities will pass over unclaimed turf.

Personally, basing it on current customers and radio mobile, I would have no 
guilty feelings claiming adjacent turf.
You only have to say you can serve it within 10 days of being asked.  That 
gives time for roof top tripods, tree trimming etc.


-Original Message- 
From: Seth Mattinen

Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 11:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Apparently 477 is not enough

On 10/13/17 9:48 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Most counties and all 911 systems have the MSAG Master Street Addressing 
Guide.

Just a database cut and paste job.



Cut and paste doesn't do site surveys for each of those addresses. 

Re: [AFMUG] Apparently 477 is not enough

[Adam Moffett]

That's a fact.

-- Original Message --
From: "Jason McKemie" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 10/13/2017 1:26:58 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Apparently 477 is not enough


It seems a lot less cut and dried with wireless coverage.

On Friday, October 13, 2017, Adam Moffett  wrote:
Right now NY State is funding construction in areas that have service 
because those service providers failed to supply any 477 data at all.  
They're also NOT funding construction in places that DON'T have 
service because someone touches the census block but doesn't serve 
everybody.


IMO, IF they're going to put public money into it, they either need to 
require that you only claim census blocks when you serve the entire 
thing, or do something more granular than census blocks.  I don't know 
how hard this is in other states, but I can easily get E911 locations 
and compare to where service is available.  It takes a trivial amount 
of time with GIS software.


Whether public money should be invested this way at all is a different 
question.  I'm just saying IF they're going to do it, then census 
blocks is not accurate enough.  Also, whatever they ask for you should 
submit it, otherwise you'll have somebody building on top of you with 
public money.




-- Original Message --
From: "Jason McKemie" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 10/13/2017 12:10:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Apparently 477 is not enough

Each street address or household? Are you kidding me? These tech 
sites are so misguided as far as ISPs go it is pathetic.


On Friday, October 13, 2017, Steve Jones  
wrote:
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/10/isps-dont-want-to-tell-the-fcc-exactly-where-they-offer-internet-service/ 

Re: [AFMUG] Apparently 477 is not enough

[Steve Jones]

there is a difference between rural/urban and actual coverage, even for
wireline.
we pick up alot of "covered" DSL addresses that get told 768k real
throughput is good
fed dollars simply should not be going to cover data access in rural areas
IMHO
fed dollars shouldnt be going toward data access period IMHO
taxation is theft i keep getting told, maybe they mean lactation, i dont
know

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 12:30 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 10/13/17 9:48 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
>> Most counties and all 911 systems have the MSAG Master Street Addressing
>> Guide.
>> Just a database cut and paste job.
>>
>
>
> Cut and paste doesn't do site surveys for each of those addresses.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Apparently 477 is not enough

[Seth Mattinen]

On 10/13/17 9:48 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Most counties and all 911 systems have the MSAG Master Street Addressing 
Guide.

Just a database cut and paste job.



Cut and paste doesn't do site surveys for each of those addresses.

Re: [AFMUG] Apparently 477 is not enough

[Jason McKemie]

It seems a lot less cut and dried with wireless coverage.

On Friday, October 13, 2017, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Right now NY State is funding construction in areas that have service
> because those service providers failed to supply any 477 data at all.
> They're also NOT funding construction in places that DON'T have service
> because someone touches the census block but doesn't serve everybody.
>
> IMO, IF they're going to put public money into it, they either need to
> require that you only claim census blocks when you serve the entire thing,
> or do something more granular than census blocks.  I don't know how hard
> this is in other states, but I can easily get E911 locations and compare to
> where service is available.  It takes a trivial amount of time with GIS
> software.
>
> Whether public money should be invested this way at all is a different
> question.  I'm just saying IF they're going to do it, then census blocks is
> not accurate enough.  Also, whatever they ask for you should submit it,
> otherwise you'll have somebody building on top of you with public money.
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Jason McKemie"  >
> To: "af@afmug.com " <
> af@afmug.com >
> Sent: 10/13/2017 12:10:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Apparently 477 is not enough
>
> Each street address or household? Are you kidding me? These tech sites are
> so misguided as far as ISPs go it is pathetic.
>
> On Friday, October 13, 2017, Steve Jones  > wrote:
>
>> https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/10/isps-dont-want-t
>> o-tell-the-fcc-exactly-where-they-offer-internet-service/
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza - where's the beef?

[Jason McKemie]

It's not as much innovative as progress.

On Friday, October 13, 2017, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

> How is that innovative? RL12 gear has been in the market for years
>
> From: Af  > on behalf of
> Jason McKemie  >
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com " <
> af@afmug.com >
> Date: Friday, October 13, 2017 at 12:07 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com " <
> af@afmug.com >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza - where's the beef?
>
> From what I understand the new Baicells isn't just more ports, it is LTE
> R12 instead of R9. I'm curious as to pricing though.
>
> On Friday, October 13, 2017, Matt Hoppes  rivervalleyinternet.net
> >
> wrote:
>
>> Baicells has a new eNB with more ports. 5GHz eNB.
>>
>> Ubiquiti has ptmp LTU.
>>
>> Mimosa had nothing.
>>
>> Bitlomat was not there.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>> On Oct 13, 2017, at 06:40, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
>>
>> It doesn’t seen that Wispapalooza is the new gear coming out party it
>> once was? No new gear announced? Has the industry lost its shine?
>>
>> Nothing new from Mimosa
>>
>> UBNT just showing just another 5 ghz backhaul
>>
>> Cambium with just another backhaul too? And AC Epmp… nothing spectacular
>> either
>>
>> Where is the new gear in 24 ghz? Multiband backhaul? (5,24,60), more 60
>> ghz? SFP ports?
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Apparently 477 is not enough

[Adam Moffett]

Right now NY State is funding construction in areas that have service 
because those service providers failed to supply any 477 data at all.  
They're also NOT funding construction in places that DON'T have service 
because someone touches the census block but doesn't serve everybody.


IMO, IF they're going to put public money into it, they either need to 
require that you only claim census blocks when you serve the entire 
thing, or do something more granular than census blocks.  I don't know 
how hard this is in other states, but I can easily get E911 locations 
and compare to where service is available.  It takes a trivial amount of 
time with GIS software.


Whether public money should be invested this way at all is a different 
question.  I'm just saying IF they're going to do it, then census blocks 
is not accurate enough.  Also, whatever they ask for you should submit 
it, otherwise you'll have somebody building on top of you with public 
money.




-- Original Message --
From: "Jason McKemie" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 10/13/2017 12:10:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Apparently 477 is not enough

Each street address or household? Are you kidding me? These tech sites 
are so misguided as far as ISPs go it is pathetic.


On Friday, October 13, 2017, Steve Jones  
wrote:
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/10/isps-dont-want-to-tell-the-fcc-exactly-where-they-offer-internet-service/ 

Re: [AFMUG] Apparently 477 is not enough

[chuck]

And you only have to do this once.  
If that makes them happy enough to give you money, why not?

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 10:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Apparently 477 is not enough

Or Postal carrier routes.

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 11:48 AM,  wrote:

  Most counties and all 911 systems have the MSAG Master Street Addressing 
Guide.
  Just a database cut and paste job.

  -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
  Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 10:33 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Apparently 477 is not enough


  On 10/13/17 9:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I presume y’all have the addresses of your customers
How is this difficult?



  I have addresses of my customers, of course, but not the individual
  addresses of all possible customers.

  ~Seth 

Re: [AFMUG] Apparently 477 is not enough

[Cameron Crum]

Or Postal carrier routes.

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 11:48 AM,  wrote:

> Most counties and all 911 systems have the MSAG Master Street Addressing
> Guide.
> Just a database cut and paste job.
>
> -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 10:33 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Apparently 477 is not enough
>
> On 10/13/17 9:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
>> I presume y’all have the addresses of your customers
>> How is this difficult?
>>
>
>
> I have addresses of my customers, of course, but not the individual
> addresses of all possible customers.
>
> ~Seth
>

Re: [AFMUG] Apparently 477 is not enough

[chuck]

Most counties and all 911 systems have the MSAG Master Street Addressing 
Guide.

Just a database cut and paste job.

-Original Message- 
From: Seth Mattinen

Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 10:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Apparently 477 is not enough

On 10/13/17 9:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I presume y’all have the addresses of your customers
How is this difficult?



I have addresses of my customers, of course, but not the individual
addresses of all possible customers.

~Seth 

Re: [AFMUG] Apparently 477 is not enough

[Seth Mattinen]

On 10/13/17 9:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I presume y’all have the addresses of your customers
How is this difficult?



I have addresses of my customers, of course, but not the individual 
addresses of all possible customers.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza - where's the beef?

[Gino A. Villarini]

LTU ptmp in 5 ghz? Hows is that different from wifi based gear?

From: Af > on behalf of Josh 
Luthman >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Friday, October 13, 2017 at 12:05 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza - where's the beef?

LTU get a date?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

On Oct 13, 2017 8:34 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
> 
wrote:
Baicells has a new eNB with more ports. 5GHz eNB.

Ubiquiti has ptmp LTU.

Mimosa had nothing.

Bitlomat was not there.

On Oct 13, 2017, at 06:40, Gino A. Villarini 
> wrote:

It doesn’t seen that Wispapalooza is the new gear coming out party it once was? 
No new gear announced? Has the industry lost its shine?

Nothing new from Mimosa

UBNT just showing just another 5 ghz backhaul

Cambium with just another backhaul too? And AC Epmp… nothing spectacular either

Where is the new gear in 24 ghz? Multiband backhaul? (5,24,60), more 60 ghz? 
SFP ports?



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza - where's the beef?

[Gino A. Villarini]

How is that innovative? RL12 gear has been in the market for years

From: Af > on behalf of Jason 
McKemie 
>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Friday, October 13, 2017 at 12:07 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza - where's the beef?

>From what I understand the new Baicells isn't just more ports, it is LTE R12 
>instead of R9. I'm curious as to pricing though.

On Friday, October 13, 2017, Matt Hoppes 
> 
wrote:
Baicells has a new eNB with more ports. 5GHz eNB.

Ubiquiti has ptmp LTU.

Mimosa had nothing.

Bitlomat was not there.




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

On Oct 13, 2017, at 06:40, Gino A. Villarini 
> wrote:

It doesn’t seen that Wispapalooza is the new gear coming out party it once was? 
No new gear announced? Has the industry lost its shine?

Nothing new from Mimosa

UBNT just showing just another 5 ghz backhaul

Cambium with just another backhaul too? And AC Epmp… nothing spectacular either

Where is the new gear in 24 ghz? Multiband backhaul? (5,24,60), more 60 ghz? 
SFP ports?



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] Apparently 477 is not enough

[chuck]

I presume y’all have the addresses of your customers

How is this difficult?

I guarantee you that the guys getting USF/CAF can and do provide this data.
Small price to pay if you can get subsidy money.  

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 10:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Apparently 477 is not enough

Each street address or household? Are you kidding me? These tech sites are so 
misguided as far as ISPs go it is pathetic.

On Friday, October 13, 2017, Steve Jones  wrote:

  
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/10/isps-dont-want-to-tell-the-fcc-exactly-where-they-offer-internet-service/

Re: [AFMUG] Product issue - UPDATE

[Steve Jones]

the stress of this cost me 15 million dollars in pain and suffering, ill
settle out of court for half that, or some beer
I didnt buy any of these, but was stressed

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 10:20 AM,  wrote:

> I have a 30 second secondary process for these units the fixes the
> problem.  I can do advance replacements or whatever anyone wants that was
> affected by this problem.
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 12, 2017 1:26 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Product issue
>
> My latest GIGE-APC-HV REV F has a mechanical issue.
>
> This has only been shipping about a month.
> (September 16 is the date of my test results).
>
> There is a problem when installing two of these units side by side in a
> shelf.
> There may be some interference between the jack pins on one board and the
> jack shields of the adjacent board.
>
> This can be fixed easily and we have modified our production process to
> solve this problem, but we know a few of the REV F boards have shipped.
>
> Please check your inventory/received orders and let us swap it
> immediately.
> Good thing is this has the best return loss and NEXT of any product I have
> ever made...
>
> (Of course you can also just skip every other rack slot too...)
>
> Sorry for the problem folks.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Apparently 477 is not enough

[Jason McKemie]

Each street address or household? Are you kidding me? These tech sites are
so misguided as far as ISPs go it is pathetic.

On Friday, October 13, 2017, Steve Jones  wrote:

> https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/10/isps-dont-want-
> to-tell-the-fcc-exactly-where-they-offer-internet-service/
>

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza - where's the beef?

[Jason McKemie]

>From what I understand the new Baicells isn't just more ports, it is LTE
R12 instead of R9. I'm curious as to pricing though.

On Friday, October 13, 2017, Matt Hoppes 
wrote:

> Baicells has a new eNB with more ports. 5GHz eNB.
>
> Ubiquiti has ptmp LTU.
>
> Mimosa had nothing.
>
> Bitlomat was not there.
>
> On Oct 13, 2017, at 06:40, Gino A. Villarini  > wrote:
>
> It doesn’t seen that Wispapalooza is the new gear coming out party it once
> was? No new gear announced? Has the industry lost its shine?
>
> Nothing new from Mimosa
>
> UBNT just showing just another 5 ghz backhaul
>
> Cambium with just another backhaul too? And AC Epmp… nothing spectacular
> either
>
> Where is the new gear in 24 ghz? Multiband backhaul? (5,24,60), more 60
> ghz? SFP ports?
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza - where's the beef?

[Josh Luthman]

LTU get a date?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 13, 2017 8:34 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
wrote:

> Baicells has a new eNB with more ports. 5GHz eNB.
>
> Ubiquiti has ptmp LTU.
>
> Mimosa had nothing.
>
> Bitlomat was not there.
>
> On Oct 13, 2017, at 06:40, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
>
> It doesn’t seen that Wispapalooza is the new gear coming out party it once
> was? No new gear announced? Has the industry lost its shine?
>
> Nothing new from Mimosa
>
> UBNT just showing just another 5 ghz backhaul
>
> Cambium with just another backhaul too? And AC Epmp… nothing spectacular
> either
>
> Where is the new gear in 24 ghz? Multiband backhaul? (5,24,60), more 60
> ghz? SFP ports?
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza - where's the beef?

[Matt Hoppes]

Baicells has a new eNB with more ports. 5GHz eNB. 

Ubiquiti has ptmp LTU. 

Mimosa had nothing. 

Bitlomat was not there. 

> On Oct 13, 2017, at 06:40, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
> 
> It doesn’t seen that Wispapalooza is the new gear coming out party it once 
> was? No new gear announced? Has the industry lost its shine?
> 
> Nothing new from Mimosa
> 
> UBNT just showing just another 5 ghz backhaul
> 
> Cambium with just another backhaul too? And AC Epmp… nothing spectacular 
> either
> 
> Where is the new gear in 24 ghz? Multiband backhaul? (5,24,60), more 60 ghz? 
> SFP ports? 
>  
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> 
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] Product issue - UPDATE

[chuck]

I have a 30 second secondary process for these units the fixes the problem.  I 
can do advance replacements or whatever anyone wants that was affected by this 
problem.  

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 1:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Product issue

My latest GIGE-APC-HV REV F has a mechanical issue.

This has only been shipping about a month.  
(September 16 is the date of my test results).

There is a problem when installing two of these units side by side in a shelf.  
There may be some interference between the jack pins on one board and the jack 
shields of the adjacent board.

This can be fixed easily and we have modified our production process to solve 
this problem, but we know a few of the REV F boards have shipped.  

Please check your inventory/received orders and let us swap it immediately.  
Good thing is this has the best return loss and NEXT of any product I have ever 
made...

(Of course you can also just skip every other rack slot too...)

Sorry for the problem folks.  

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza - where's the beef?

[Harold Bledsoe]

I'm stalking you Gino.  ;-)

We showed but did not announce a 10G triband omni, the beamforming client
(MetroLinq LW), MeshLinq (Trill switch).

I think the bigger issue was that everyone was having too much fun without
us.  :-(

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 8:40 AM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

> It doesn’t seen that Wispapalooza is the new gear coming out party it once
> was? No new gear announced? Has the industry lost its shine?
>
> Nothing new from Mimosa
>
> UBNT just showing just another 5 ghz backhaul
>
> Cambium with just another backhaul too? And AC Epmp… nothing spectacular
> either
>
> Where is the new gear in 24 ghz? Multiband backhaul? (5,24,60), more 60
> ghz? SFP ports?
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>

[AFMUG] Wispapalooza - where's the beef?

[Gino A. Villarini]

It doesn’t seen that Wispapalooza is the new gear coming out party it once was? 
No new gear announced? Has the industry lost its shine?

Nothing new from Mimosa

UBNT just showing just another 5 ghz backhaul

Cambium with just another backhaul too? And AC Epmp… nothing spectacular either

Where is the new gear in 24 ghz? Multiband backhaul? (5,24,60), more 60 ghz? 
SFP ports?



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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[AFMUG] Apparently 477 is not enough

[Steve Jones]

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/10/isps-dont-want-to-tell-the-fcc-exactly-where-they-offer-internet-service/

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy 15.1.1 and GPS Sync

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Ok, so let me re-reply to this:

At this point there are likely two issues at play:

1) There is a good chance that there is some GPS issue occurring once every
12 hours or so where the GPS stops providing sync.  Normally you wouldn't
notice this, except for:

2) There also seems to be some oddity with 15.1.1 that in some cases the
radio will not switch back to a perfectly valid sync source after a gps
event, except with a reboot.

I am not 100% certain of either of the above, so take this for what it is
worth: very educated speculation at this point based on now at least 4
reports which would be explained by the above.

Matt:  Assuming this is the case you are seeing, we should be able to
reduce the instances by troubleshooting the GPS issue.  If you've exhausted
the likely causes (try different location/mounting method, make sure
connectors are good, etc. etc. etc.) , shoot an email into
cust...@packetflux.com .

Everyone else:  If you are seeing a similar issue, either with packetflux
gear or with the official cambium stuff, please send an email in as well,
as I'm collecting data to try to reproduce this.



On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 2:20 PM, Matt  wrote:

> Anyone else seeing issues with 450 aps and backhauls giving error no sync
> but continuing running without sync even though there set not too. A reboot
> resolves issue for 12 hours or so then it starts again. This is with
> packetflux syncinjector.
>



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