Re: [AFMUG] FCC Forfeiture $590, 380 for unauthorized Ultrasonic Humidifier

[Adam Moffett]

Wellnobody expects *us *to be humidifier experts.  It might be 
unfair to call the humidifier people stupid just because they didn't 
know FCC rules.  I hope for their sake they made more than $590,380 on 
the humidifiers they sold while they were out of compliance.

-Adam


On 5/31/2018 2:09 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
It is pretty weird they would choose a noncompliant 2.4/5 GHz wifi 
module for their products, when plenty of fully compliant packaged 
modules are available from manufacturers in China. They were either 
ignorant, stupid, or trying to save 18 cents per manufactured unit.




On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 10:20 AM, Tim Hardy <mailto:thardy...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Well, it was little more than just the humidifier but the fines
ramp up if you continue to violate the rules even after you have
been made aware of the violation.  Think this one is an F you,
strong message to follow!

FCC-18-67A1.pdf
<https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/FCC-18-67A1.pdf>

Re: [AFMUG] tower assembly in Northern WI

[Adam Moffett]

I should think that would be actionable.
I've never sued anybody, but I think I would over that.


On 5/30/2018 3:57 PM, Robert wrote:
Darn, ( using polite word ) I have friends that would stack again and 
sit by, armed, just looking for the opportunity to "discuss"...   That 
pissed off about private property trespassing out here in NV...


On 5/30/18 12:52 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
I think it was Wisconsin in winter where we stacked a 485 foot tower. 
Next day we came to the site to finish cleanup and it had been cut 
down. They were kind enough to leave a sign on the fence as to which 
union local we should contact if we wanted to build it again. Thugs. 
The moral of the story, Hire at least one union guy in a union state.


On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:31 PM Eric Kuhnke > wrote:


I would recommend joining the largest Facebook tower industry
specific groups (search groups for tower climbing, tower, etc).
There's about four of them that are really active, and between
the groups probably 30,000 members in total. Put out a message
that you're looking for a contractor and see what you get back.


On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 7:06 AM, Brandon Yuchasz
mailto:li...@gogebicrange.net>> wrote:

I am looking for someone to stack two Rohn 65 towers in
Northern WI. Towers are 140’ and the site will be completely
prepped ahead of time. Concrete work will all be done and the
towers will be on site waiting. We have talked to one company
from Lower WI so far but they are doing a lot of large
cellular constructions this summer and priced these two in a
similar range. I took the quotes as they didn’t want to be
doing these small of jobs.

If anyone knows of someone of if anyone on the list is
interested in this they can hit me off list for more details.
If you are out of the area and willing to travel up give me a
shout as well might be able to make it work.

Thanks,

Brandon

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for PMP 320 SM's

[Adam Moffett]

We have Telrad 3000, Telrad 6000, and Telrad 7000.
Telrad 3000 is the same as PMP320 but with different firmware.

I'm sure these won't work with Motorola's bridge mode, but they are 
Wimax and ought to connect.  If they would help you any, let me know.



On 5/30/2018 3:51 PM, Eric Muehleisen wrote:
Major storms rolled through our territory and took out a bunch of our 
PMP 320 SM's. Our inventory is getting a little light. Please let me 
know if you can part with any.

Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

[Adam Moffett]

RV's are aluminum cans.  My experience with wifi to campers and RV's has 
not been positive.  Outdoor coverage is easy, getting it reliably into 
all the RV's is less easy.


If you don't run wires now while you can, then you'll regret it later 
IMO.  Ideally do both, there will be people who don't have a router and 
only have WiFi devices as options, and there will be people who really 
need it to work 100% of the time because they'll want to work out of the 
RV park, and for them you'll wish you had a wired option.


Somebody is presumably trenching for water and electric to these pads, 
so maybe you can lay a conduit next to the water lines while the trench 
is open.

-Adam



On 5/30/2018 2:07 PM, castarritt wrote:
We were approached by a current subscriber who is building an RV park 
with around ~100 pads, and he wants us to offer service to his 
tenants.  This isn't the typical situation where we would sell service 
to the RV park, and they handle distributing it to their customers.  
He wants to avoid providing wi-fi himself, and will instead let us 
charge every client that wants service separately.  Also, this isn't a 
campground; his shortest lease term will be monthly.


While the park is under construction, he is willing to let us lay 
conduit, so we could provide wired service to each pad if we wanted 
to.  Alternatively, we could just setup a bunch of wi-fi APs.  One 
potential complication is that we have a fairly busy cluster of 5g 
PMP450s a couple hundred yards from this RV park, so while wired 
service could be more reliable for the park tenants, the potential for 
100 customer wi-fi routers we can't control operating within sight of 
our PMP450 POP sounds like the stuff of nightmares.


We are leaning more towards a wi-fi option due to better control over 
spectrum, as well as avoiding maintenance of 100 outdoor ethernet 
ports that the customers would be plugging into, but we are open to 
suggestions.


Also, assuming wi-fi is the correct answer, does anyone have any 
equipment recommendations?  The park is about 400' by 900'.  I was 
looking at either doing a whole bunch of low end APs, or maybe ~8 
sectors.  We haven't used any of the Cambium wi-fi gear yet, but 
the cnPilot E501S looks interesting.



Thank you,

Chris Starritt
Western Broadband
supp...@ecpi.com <mailto:supp...@ecpi.com>
512-257-1077

Re: [AFMUG] AF11x to Remec/APEX etc adapters

[Adam Moffett]

Interested

-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 5/23/2018 2:55:36 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] AF11x to Remec/APEX etc adapters

If you have asked me for this product please let me know.  We are 
getting some beta quantities going now and I never kept really good 
track of those that want to be on the list.  So a list now exists and 
there is even a person managing the list that will expedite 
fulfillment.


Too many irons in the fire

Re: [AFMUG] FS.com switches

[Adam Moffett]

That's just it.  They look similar but not quite the same as a lot of 
other brands.


I guess I'm not going to buy a hundred switches to compare motherboards, 
but I was curious if FS.com was the OEM, or if maybe FS.com gets them 
from e.g. Huawei and so does everybody else.


-- Original Message --
From: "Sterling Jacobson" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 5/17/2018 8:34:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FS.com switches

I’m not sure, but the hardware looks similar to other ‘vendors’ 
switches.




Pretty soon it won’t matter, they will all be SDN.



From: Af  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 12:29 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] FS.com switches



Is Fs.com the OEM for somebody else's switches?  If so, who?

[AFMUG] FS.com switches

[Adam Moffett]

Is Fs.com the OEM for somebody else's switches?  If so, who?

Re: [AFMUG] AF11x

[Adam Moffett]

750Mbps on a single chain?


-- Original Message --
From: "Bill Prince" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 5/17/2018 11:00:47 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11x

I don't know about that. A single AF11X can do close to 750 Mbps full 
dux. Two of them with different frequencies would be in the 
neighborhood of 1.5 Gbps. Not too shabby for around $4500 of hardware.


bp



On 5/17/2018 7:47 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Buying 2 AF11x should be a lot cheaper... it should still be under $4k 
for the hardware.


They wouldn't get as much throughput as a more expensive 2+0 system 
though...



On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 9:36 AM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:
So is it less expensive to buy 2 AF11x or to buy one more expensive 
2+0 system?


-- Original Message --
From: "Mathew Howard" 
To: "af" 
Sent: 5/16/2018 10:07:43 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11x

Well, you could use two radios in SISO mode on each end... but then 
you'd have to deal with having separate ethernet ports and mounting 
the second radio (not to mention some extra cost).


On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 3:36 PM,  wrote:

Any way to make the V&H run in different frequencies?

Re: [AFMUG] AF11x

[Adam Moffett]

So is it less expensive to buy 2 AF11x or to buy one more expensive 2+0 
system?


-- Original Message --
From: "Mathew Howard" 
To: "af" 
Sent: 5/16/2018 10:07:43 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11x

Well, you could use two radios in SISO mode on each end... but then 
you'd have to deal with having separate ethernet ports and mounting the 
second radio (not to mention some extra cost).


On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 3:36 PM,  wrote:

Any way to make the V&H run in different frequencies?

Re: [AFMUG] Attaching pole to Chimney

[Adam Moffett]

Well maybe he knew something about spray foam that I didn't :P


-- Original Message --
From: "Bill Prince" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 5/16/2018 11:13:45 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Attaching pole to Chimney

Chucks tongue was so far into his cheek with that statement, I could 
see it from California.


;-)



bp



On 5/16/2018 7:04 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

I'm unclear on whether that's a serious suggestion.


-- Original Message --
From: "Jason McKemie" 
To: "af@afmug.com" <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Sent: 5/15/2018 10:52:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Attaching pole to Chimney

I'll give that a whirl, thanks everyone. Backup plan will be Chuck's 
PVC/spray foam idea.


On Tuesday, May 15, 2018, TJ Trout  wrote:
Yes, we use unistrut for various tower mounts (home made) they 
defiantly can hold a mast with plenty of strength


On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 5:04 PM,  wrote:
Stick a piece of PVC down the chimney and use spray foam to hold it 
in place.


From:Jason McKemie
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 5:28 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Attaching pole to Chimney

Do the unistrut conduit clamps hold the conduit tightly enough to 
mount it vertically? I thought they were intended for horizontal 
runs.


On Tuesday, May 15, 2018, Sam Lambie  wrote:

Unistrut, clamps and EMT. Done

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 2:46 PM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

It's just a wood box covered in vinyl.

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

The chimney has vinyl?  I assume it's brick behind it?

If you have to get it from the local hardware store, go there 
and see what all can work.  I'd probably look for the best tool 
rather than limit myself to that one store, though.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St 
<https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g>
Suite 1337 
<https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g>
Troy, OH 45373 
<https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g>


On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:07 PM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:
Anyone have any advice as to what hardware I can use to attach 
a 6' section of 1.5" emt to a chimney? It's the vinyl siding 
covered type. I was thinking of just drilling it and running 
lags straight through, but a bracket of some type, possibly 
utilizing pipe clamps, would be preferred. I'll need to source 
it from a local hardware store.








--
--
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>

Re: [AFMUG] Attaching pole to Chimney

[Adam Moffett]

I'm unclear on whether that's a serious suggestion.


-- Original Message --
From: "Jason McKemie" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 5/15/2018 10:52:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Attaching pole to Chimney

I'll give that a whirl, thanks everyone. Backup plan will be Chuck's 
PVC/spray foam idea.


On Tuesday, May 15, 2018, TJ Trout  wrote:
Yes, we use unistrut for various tower mounts (home made) they 
defiantly can hold a mast with plenty of strength


On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 5:04 PM,  wrote:
Stick a piece of PVC down the chimney and use spray foam to hold it 
in place.


From:Jason McKemie
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 5:28 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Attaching pole to Chimney

Do the unistrut conduit clamps hold the conduit tightly enough to 
mount it vertically? I thought they were intended for horizontal 
runs.


On Tuesday, May 15, 2018, Sam Lambie  wrote:

Unistrut, clamps and EMT. Done

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 2:46 PM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

It's just a wood box covered in vinyl.

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

The chimney has vinyl?  I assume it's brick behind it?

If you have to get it from the local hardware store, go there and 
see what all can work.  I'd probably look for the best tool rather 
than limit myself to that one store, though.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St 

Suite 1337 

Troy, OH 45373 



On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:07 PM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:
Anyone have any advice as to what hardware I can use to attach a 
6' section of 1.5" emt to a chimney? It's the vinyl siding 
covered type. I was thinking of just drilling it and running lags 
straight through, but a bracket of some type, possibly utilizing 
pipe clamps, would be preferred. I'll need to source it from a 
local hardware store.








--
--
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] OT NOC server choice

[Adam Moffett]

Yeah I was going to mention that.  When it comes down to remodeling the 
building or buying blades, then blades are a clear winner.



-- Original Message --
From: "Paul Stewart" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 5/16/2018 8:47:03 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT NOC server choice

We utilize a combination of blade systems and 1U/2U servers …. Wouldn’t 
say blade systems are going away.  Basically the biggest sell point for 
them is space/power (footprint).  If space/power is at a premium (ie. 
3rd party data center) and you need to put many servers into it then it 
can make sense …. In our case this is exactly why we continue to deploy 
Cisco ACS blade systems in particular – they work well and footprint is 
small.




In areas where we have abundant space/power then 1U servers are 
preferred




Paul





From: Af  on behalf of Josh Luthman 


Reply-To: 
Date: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 4:04 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT NOC server choice



Servers for what?



Blades are kind of a thing of the past, I think.  It's way easier and 
cheaper to do something like HA with ESXi.






Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 2:03 PM,  wrote:

I need a pair of servers, prefer DC powered but not absolutely stuck 
on that.  Like to have nice blade server system with hot standby etc.  
Been some time since I spec’d out servers.




Any suggestions?

Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'

[Adam Moffett]

The load limits on "least expensive" are pretty crippling.  Two dishes 
and that Texas Tower model from the link is fully loaded.  Same with a 
Trylon Titan if you're getting the least expensive model.  I'd consider 
what you need to put on it first, then cost second.




-- Original Message --
From: "TJ Trout" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 5/15/2018 2:19:32 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'

So what's the cliff notes on the 3 least expensive 100ft self 
supporters?


Texas Towers Model ?Trylon "Titan" 96ft


On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 7:51 AM, Justin Wilson  wrote:
http://www.mtin.net/blog/towers-and-pricing/ 



A blog article I did awhile ago.  Pricing is still pretty relevant.

Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

www.mtin.net
www.midwest-ix.com


On May 9, 2018, at 3:05 PM, James Howard  wrote:

Sounds like roughly $12k total.  Thanks much!  That helps a lot.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 1:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'

Not really sure as we did most of it ourself.  Probably $2000 for the 
foundation and another $1500 for erection.


From: James Howard
Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 12:44 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'

What did you end up spending to install it?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 1:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'

$5,721.00 + Tax and shipping



$7,889.00

From: James Howard
Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 11:40 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'

What did it end up costing?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 11:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'

Rohn SSV.

From: James Howard
Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 10:30 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'

Dredging up an old thread here.  What did you end up going with 
Chuck?


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 2:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'

Needs to be self supporting.

From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 1:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'

Found a 96 footer Titan from Tessco for about $4600.
Any better deals or stronger towers for a similar price?

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Re: [AFMUG] Flat Drop Aerial

[Adam Moffett]

I haven't yet seen a limit on number of spans, but I wasn't looking for 
it either.


With most flat drop in a heavy ice zone I do have a span length limit 
too low for country roads where poles are 400-500 feet apart.  I'm 
needing to use stuff with steel strength members.


-- Original Message --
From: "Jason McKemie" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 5/14/2018 8:14:43 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Flat Drop Aerial

I'm looking at running flat drop down a country road, possibly on 
poles.  The specs I've read say not to run more than 3 spans for some 
reason.  Has anyone done this?  Is their better attachment hardware 
than wedge clamps for this application?


Thanks.

Jason

Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor with Medusa

[Adam Moffett]

Nookular Surge Suppressor™


-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 5/9/2018 1:34:18 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor with Medusa


i vote MT radioactive tubes

On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 11:41 AM,  wrote:
They are light sensitive if they are made out of glass.  Not so much 
with the ceramics.
The mixture of gasses set the breakdown voltage.  The ones I use fire 
at about 90 volts.


I remember working at sites where the gas tubes were filled with 
radioactive gases.


From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 10:23 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor with 
Medusa


I thought it took hundreds of volts to trigger a gas tube.

Aren't some of them light sensitive?  What if the APC chassis was near 
a window and getting direct sunlight?



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 5/9/2018 12:00:20 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor with 
Medusa



Funny, the product is so simple.  Jacks.  Tubes.

Electrodes with gas between them from the Ethernet lines to ground.

The only way the tubes can affect the circuit is if they are ionized, 
which means a high voltage coming from somewhere.  could be coming 
from a ground loop or ???


Or a tube could be bad, or there could be a solder bridge but the 
test and inspection procedure should have caught that.



From:Sam Lambie
Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 9:56 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor with 
Medusa


FYI,

I installed the gas tube version on a gigabit  Packetflux Powered 
Medusa the other week and no go. The radio boots up for about 25 
seconds, and then shuts down.


On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 9:54 AM,  wrote:
I am going to chase this down.  Only certain types of products have 
the issue it seems.
I am going to try to add solid state to the gas tubes using a 
different design that eliminates the steering diodes.
Seems like the steering diodes are causing the problem in some 
situations.


From:George Skorup
Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 9:50 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor with 
Medusa


No diodes, just gas-tube for large surge event suppression. 
Obviously not as much protection though. I'm seeing more CRC errors 
than I'm comfortable with on the cards with diodes. Rev G is 
definitely better though. I've broken the shield at various sites 
while testing to rule out any potential ground loop issues. Ran on 
battery. Etc. It's weird. Noise or something, I don't know.


On 5/9/2018 10:32 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

What's this gas tube product placement?
I want to see these

On Wed, May 9, 2018, 9:51 AM  wrote:

Thanks, yeah nothing fit well next to the thin pcbs.

Odd, got some test results back from George yesterday.  Some types 
of
equipment has CRC errors with some of our surge suppressors.  
Trying to
identify the bad combinations.  Good thing is that our gas tube 
only
products seem to be flawless with everything that people have 
tried them on.


-Original Message-
From: Matt
Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 8:08 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor with 
Medusa


Chuck,

Like form factor of new arrestors much better.  Thicker PCB and 
RJ45
not as tall.  They do not fit well next to your last thin pcb 
version
though.  Did not care for the thin pcb and tall RJ45 at all.  
Swapped
out 4 PxP450i APC arrestors to these 17 hours ago.  So far 
flawless

even at 1000base.  No errors at all.  This is with RackInjector,
Cambium Sync and very long cat-5 runs.  Time will tell but looks 
good

so far.



On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 10:29 AM,   wrote:
> Matt,
>
> I sent you a note off-list.  I would like to send you the gas 
tube version

> to see if that fixes the issue.
>
> Inquiring minds want to know...
>
> -Original Message- From: Matt
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 4:08 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor with 
Medusa

>
>> OK, so grounds are related to the problem.
>>
>> There may be something unusual with timing pulses on the power 
that is

>> causing the surge suppressor to fire.
>> Forrest would know much more than I about that.
>>
>> I honestly don’t know if anyone has tried my product with a 
Medusa

>> before.
>> I have a 100% gas tube version that may solve the problem.
>
>
> I am still having some troubles with PTP450i holding 1gbit 
ethernet
> even with Cambium sync.  Not near as bad with Cambium Sync 
though.
> Will these gas tube versions work any better?  Will they still 
keep

> equipment safe?







--
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Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor with Medusa

[Adam Moffett]

I thought it took hundreds of volts to trigger a gas tube.

Aren't some of them light sensitive?  What if the APC chassis was near a 
window and getting direct sunlight?



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 5/9/2018 12:00:20 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor with Medusa


Funny, the product is so simple.  Jacks.  Tubes.

Electrodes with gas between them from the Ethernet lines to ground.

The only way the tubes can affect the circuit is if they are ionized, 
which means a high voltage coming from somewhere.  could be coming from 
a ground loop or ???


Or a tube could be bad, or there could be a solder bridge but the test 
and inspection procedure should have caught that.



From:Sam Lambie
Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 9:56 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor with Medusa

FYI,

I installed the gas tube version on a gigabit  Packetflux Powered 
Medusa the other week and no go. The radio boots up for about 25 
seconds, and then shuts down.


On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 9:54 AM,  wrote:
I am going to chase this down.  Only certain types of products have 
the issue it seems.
I am going to try to add solid state to the gas tubes using a 
different design that eliminates the steering diodes.
Seems like the steering diodes are causing the problem in some 
situations.


From:George Skorup
Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 9:50 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor with 
Medusa


No diodes, just gas-tube for large surge event suppression. Obviously 
not as much protection though. I'm seeing more CRC errors than I'm 
comfortable with on the cards with diodes. Rev G is definitely better 
though. I've broken the shield at various sites while testing to rule 
out any potential ground loop issues. Ran on battery. Etc. It's weird. 
Noise or something, I don't know.


On 5/9/2018 10:32 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

What's this gas tube product placement?
I want to see these

On Wed, May 9, 2018, 9:51 AM  wrote:

Thanks, yeah nothing fit well next to the thin pcbs.

Odd, got some test results back from George yesterday.  Some types 
of
equipment has CRC errors with some of our surge suppressors.  Trying 
to

identify the bad combinations.  Good thing is that our gas tube only
products seem to be flawless with everything that people have tried 
them on.


-Original Message-
From: Matt
Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 8:08 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor with 
Medusa


Chuck,

Like form factor of new arrestors much better.  Thicker PCB and RJ45
not as tall.  They do not fit well next to your last thin pcb 
version
though.  Did not care for the thin pcb and tall RJ45 at all.  
Swapped

out 4 PxP450i APC arrestors to these 17 hours ago.  So far flawless
even at 1000base.  No errors at all.  This is with RackInjector,
Cambium Sync and very long cat-5 runs.  Time will tell but looks 
good

so far.



On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 10:29 AM,   wrote:
> Matt,
>
> I sent you a note off-list.  I would like to send you the gas tube 
version

> to see if that fixes the issue.
>
> Inquiring minds want to know...
>
> -Original Message- From: Matt
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 4:08 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor with 
Medusa

>
>> OK, so grounds are related to the problem.
>>
>> There may be something unusual with timing pulses on the power 
that is

>> causing the surge suppressor to fire.
>> Forrest would know much more than I about that.
>>
>> I honestly don’t know if anyone has tried my product with a 
Medusa

>> before.
>> I have a 100% gas tube version that may solve the problem.
>
>
> I am still having some troubles with PTP450i holding 1gbit 
ethernet

> even with Cambium sync.  Not near as bad with Cambium Sync though.
> Will these gas tube versions work any better?  Will they still 
keep

> equipment safe?







--
--
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti ER-X

[Adam Moffett]

Good to hear, thanks.


-- Original Message --
From: "Matt Hoppes" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 5/9/2018 10:37:53 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti ER-X


Have not had one fail yet since they came out.

On May 9, 2018, at 10:36, Adam Moffett  wrote:

Anybody have any opinions on the reliability of Ubiquiti ER-X and 
ER-X-SFP routers?


I was thinking they might be useful for a customer premises 
router/CPE.one which we control, not the customer.

[AFMUG] Ubiquiti ER-X

[Adam Moffett]

Anybody have any opinions on the reliability of Ubiquiti ER-X and 
ER-X-SFP routers?


I was thinking they might be useful for a customer premises 
router/CPE.one which we control, not the customer.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 300 - no DFS (yet?)

[Adam Moffett]

Interestingly it only throws the error if you enable 40mhz channel size. 
 On 20mhz channel it's no problem.



-- Original Message --
From: "Dave" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 5/9/2018 10:05:01 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 300 - no DFS (yet?)

Verify power settings and review error message. DFS has very low power 
settings.

Also ant gain setting can throw an error


On 05/09/2018 08:39 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
So we got some ePMP 300 CPE in, and if we check the boxes to enable 
DFS channels they toss an error and won't save the settings.


Anybody know what the deal is here?  Coming in the future?


--

[AFMUG] ePMP 300 - no DFS (yet?)

[Adam Moffett]

So we got some ePMP 300 CPE in, and if we check the boxes to enable DFS 
channels they toss an error and won't save the settings.


Anybody know what the deal is here?  Coming in the future?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: One space versus two spaces (again)

[Adam Moffett]

They taught me in high school to double tap the spacebar after a 
sentence.  That was 1996.  No mention of one space that I recall.  
Almost nobody was using type writers at that point.


At least they taught me to type and I'm glad for it.  I have a colleague 
who hunts and pecks with two fingers on each hand.  This guy has a 
masters degree from Harvard, so whenever I see him type I marvel at the 
thought that he must have jammed out a 20 page thesis by hunting and 
pecking.


For me it's quite literally a tell for how old someone is: before or 
after typewriters. When we were taught typing in middle school it was 
using computers and it was single space. I was *told* that on 
typewriters it was two spaces.

Re: [AFMUG] 48 vdc Inverteres for Data Room 6kw ?

[Adam Moffett]

The Alpha technologies rep just left my office.
He was pointing me at AMPS-24
http://broadband.alpha.com/download/critical_facilities_power/ups_solutions/indoor_ups/single_phase_ups/alpha_modular_power_system/amps24_hp/amps24_hp_datasheet.pdf

I have no idea what it costs.  The "24" means 24kw max.  They also make 
an 80kw chassis.



-- Original Message --
From: "Gino A. Villarini" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 5/8/2018 3:58:01 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] 48 vdc Inverteres for Data Room 6kw ?

Looking for 48 vdc inverters for data room applications in the range of 
6-8 kw


Can be a all in one system ( charger plus Inverter) , must be always 
online




Gino A. Villarini

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] crowdsource troubleshooting

[Adam Moffett]

If that's right, would that mean 0.5amp on 4&5 and 0.25amp on 3&6,7&8 ?
Is it a 0.5amp fuse?


-- Original Message --
From: "Jeremy" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 5/8/2018 11:42:35 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] crowdsource troubleshooting

No, that is not true, it adds an additional ground on 3&6.  So to 
obtain a gigabit connection you have + on 4&5 and - on 3&6, 7&8.  All 
of the present day UBNT gear is like this since they added gigabit 
Ethernet.  When we upgrade we add a jumper to 3&6 to get it to 
negotiate at gigabit, but they seem to operate at 100FDX without it.


On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 9:30 AM, Jacob Turner  
wrote:
The Prism Gen 2 uses "standard" UBNT passive 24v POE.  +4,5 -7,8.  
I've seen netonix switches claiming as much as 12 watts draw from one 
when running.  I wouldn't be surprised if their startup draw may be a 
bit higher.


On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 8:16 AM,  wrote:

I need help in understanding a product failure.

I have now had two customers with similar failures in my POE fuse 
product.  The fuses are blowing.

So far it is limited to the fuses on pins 4/5.

One customer is using:
UBNT 5AC Prism Gen 2 radio, Mikrotik 411 boards, using both poes and 
netonix as the power supply.


What pins and polarities does that radio use for POE?  How much 
current?


I may need higher rated fuses or slower fuses.  But I can only go so 
high before it is not protecting Netonix thus becoming an expensive 
CAT5 splice.


My ideas so far:

I need a slower reacting fuse.

I need a higher amp rating fuse.  (not sure how high I can go and 
still protect Netonix)


Some loads have unanticipated currents on those wires.

Plugging in when powered may cause a connection sequence problem 
where if pin 4 makes contact first the whole load will go through 
that wire and blow that fuse.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: One space versus two spaces (again)

[Adam Moffett]

I double tap the spacebar out of habit because that's how I was taught.  
Honestly, I never notice the difference unless I'm intentionally looking 
for it.  I don't know why anyone would think it was a big deal.



-- Original Message --
From: "can...@believewireless.net" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 5/7/2018 7:19:18 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: One space versus two spaces (again)

I was raised on two spaces as well. But after finding out that the 
"correct" modern way is one
space, I've switched. I do agree with the tabs/spaces thing when 
coding.


On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 10:25 PM, Robert  wrote:
Trivial stuff, the real meat is tabs versus spaces while 
programming...



On 5/6/18 7:21 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Double spacers of the world unite.  Everybody else can get the fu*k 
off our lawn.


-Original Message- From: ja...@remotelylocated.com
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 8:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: One space versus two spaces (again)

You can tell someone's age by one or two spaces.  For me that is what 
I was taught and bugs the hell out of me when I see single space.


Sent from my iPhone


On May 6, 2018, at 5:49 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:


I remember there being a rather exuberant discussion a couple years 
ago about the advantages/disadvantages and goodness/badness of 
putting a single space after a sentence versus putting two spaces. 
The debate rages on, but this one study suggests that putting two 
spaces makes sentences easier to read.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2018/05/04/one-space-between-each-sentence-they-said-science-just-proved-them-wrong-2/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.b61d35728d29 





--

bp

[AFMUG] OT: Ubuntu distributions

[Adam Moffett]

Zesty Zapus
Artful Aardvark
Bionic Beaver
.
Next version has to be c-adjactive + c-animal

Where do I submit the suggestion for Crazy Crackhead?

Re: [AFMUG] TR-069 ACS

[Adam Moffett]

Well, my experience so far is that different devices have different 
fields available, and you have to have a different template for each 
one.  The open source ACS's give you no templates, so you have to know 
what you're doing and create templates.  In theory the manufacturer can 
pre-populate their ACS with templates.


The first one I ever saw that really made life easy for you was 
Readynet's cloud based ACS.  I don't know if they support any devices 
other than their own, but if they did I might pay them for the 
privilege!




-- Original Message --
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 5/2/2018 12:51:53 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TR-069 ACS

and is there any advantage to using one that comes from the vendor vs. 
a third party one?




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From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2018 11:50:47 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] TR-069 ACS

Has anybody tripped over an ACS software package that they like?

[AFMUG] TR-069 ACS

[Adam Moffett]

Has anybody tripped over an ACS software package that they like?

Re: [AFMUG] Sealed AGM Batteries and Water

[Adam Moffett]

You sink a lot of boats?  Are you a pirate perhaps?


-- Original Message --
From: "Robert" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 5/2/2018 11:25:06 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sealed AGM Batteries and Water

pure water doesn't conduct electricity...  I have watched boats sinking 
with the lights on all the way till the water turbidity obscured the 
lights 30-40 feet down...


On 5/2/18 8:20 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Wouldn't there be a dead short across the wet terminals?
I suppose all the heat would go into the water in that case.

-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 5/2/2018 10:39:44 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sealed AGM Batteries and Water

Their vent valves are one way check valves so it is probably just 
fine.
-Original Message- From: Nate Burke Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 
2018 6:58 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Sealed AGM Batteries 
and Water
I had an equipment box that got completely submerged due to a water 
main break.  All the equipment like routers and UPS are toast, but 
would the 100+ AH AGM Batteries still be good?  I haven't had a 
chance to put a voltmeter or anything on them yet, but could they be 
'trusted' since they were fully submerged for several hours?


Nate

Re: [AFMUG] Sealed AGM Batteries and Water

[Adam Moffett]

Wouldn't there be a dead short across the wet terminals?
I suppose all the heat would go into the water in that case.

-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 5/2/2018 10:39:44 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sealed AGM Batteries and Water


Their vent valves are one way check valves so it is probably just fine.
-Original Message- From: Nate Burke Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 
2018 6:58 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Sealed AGM Batteries and 
Water
I had an equipment box that got completely submerged due to a water 
main break.  All the equipment like routers and UPS are toast, but 
would the 100+ AH AGM Batteries still be good?  I haven't had a chance 
to put a voltmeter or anything on them yet, but could they be 'trusted' 
since they were fully submerged for several hours?


Nate

Re: [AFMUG] OT Moviepass

[Adam Moffett]

Is this motivated by Milwaukee's Best?  Or Steel Reserve perhaps?
It better not be Four Loko, this is a classy joint.


-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 5/2/2018 1:27:58 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Moviepass

THIS LIST IS FOR WIRELESS STUFFS ONLY 
!!


IF IT DOESNT STOP WITH THIS NOISE IM GOING TO DSLREPORTS!

On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 12:20 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
 wrote:


Ah - haven't been asked to do that yet

Sent from my smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Cassidy B. Larson" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Moviepass
Date: Tue, May 1, 2018 10:24 PM

Gotta take a picture of the ticket stub now as proof you’re buying the 
right one.


On May 1, 2018, at 8:38 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
 wrote:



Saw that limitation of seeing only one time...not a deal breaker.  
Sucks...but not a deal breaker


Plus why not tell MoviePass you're seeing a movie you have no desire 
to see and buy the ticket for the movie you want to see again


They're just rules...right?

Sent from my smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Cassidy B. Larson" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Moviepass
Date: Tue, May 1, 2018 8:20 PM

Also can’t see movies more than once now. Blows.

On May 1, 2018, at 18:48, Chuck McCown  wrote:


Notice that new subscribers only get one movie per week now.

Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement Action

[Adam Moffett]

I'm pretty sure Microserv had a fine over a misconfigured Mikrotik.  I 
seem to think it was $25k, but my memory isn't perfect.

I'd be surprised if these guys didn't get slapped though.

-Adam

-- Original Message --
From: "David Coudron" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 5/1/2018 4:17:27 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement Action

At the bottom I think they said they will consider what, if any fines 
will be levied.   At least that is the way I read it.


Thanks,

David Coudron
david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 612-991-7474

Advantenon, Inc.
i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 
55447  |  www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  Local: 
612-454-1545




-Original Message-
From: Af  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2018 3:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement Action

I noticed there was no fine mentioned.  Does that come later?


-- Original Message --
From: "Seth Mattinen" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 5/1/2018 2:08:56 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement Action


On 5/1/18 10:51, Tim Hardy wrote:

LV.NET <http://LV.NET>; LAS VEGAS, NEVADA �89104. ��Notice of
Unlicensed Operation and Notification of Harmful Interference issued
for interference complaint to FAA Terminal Doppler Weather Radar
operating on 5645 MHz in Las Vegas, Nevada. Action by: �Regional
Director, Region Three, Enforcement Bureau. Adopted: �04/27/2018 by
Notice. �EB
https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-350491A1.docx
https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-350491A1.pdf



Only an idiot would use a TDWR frequency anywhere near an airport with
one. That's just challenging someone to come find you.

Is that an DFS unlock code with updated sticker required model they
were using, but didn't bother to actually put the new sticker on it?

Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement Action

[Adam Moffett]

I noticed there was no fine mentioned.  Does that come later?


-- Original Message --
From: "Seth Mattinen" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 5/1/2018 2:08:56 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement Action


On 5/1/18 10:51, Tim Hardy wrote:
LV.NET ; LAS VEGAS, NEVADA �89104. ��Notice of 
Unlicensed Operation and Notification of Harmful Interference issued 
for interference complaint to FAA Terminal Doppler Weather Radar 
operating on 5645 MHz in Las Vegas, Nevada. Action by: �Regional 
Director, Region Three, Enforcement Bureau. Adopted: �04/27/2018 by 
Notice. �EB 
https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-350491A1.docx

https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-350491A1.pdf



Only an idiot would use a TDWR frequency anywhere near an airport with 
one. That's just challenging someone to come find you.


Is that an DFS unlock code with updated sticker required model they 
were using, but didn't bother to actually put the new sticker on it?

Re: [AFMUG] Smallest gauge shield to ground

[Adam Moffett]

R56 Chapter 5.
https://sites.auburn.edu/admin/facilities/spw-bid-calendar/11-150%20AU%20Regional%20Airport-Construct%20a%20Self-Supporting%20Radio%20Tower/Project%20Documents/1/Motorola_R56_2005_manual.pdf

""
Telecommunication cable metallic shields shall be bonded to the site’s 
grounding electrode system as
described herein. Where outside facility telecommunication cables are 
configured for a standard
entrance, the metallic members of all incoming telecommunication cables, 
including paired-conductor
and optical fiber cable, shall be grounded (earthed) to the MGB, either 
directly or through a SSGB at
the facility’s entrance point. Each metallic member shall be effectively 
bonded to the grounding point
with a 16 mm2 csa (#6 AWG) or coarser green-jacketed grounding 
conductor, or with a transmission

line ground kit, using bonding methods described within this chapter.
""

So they say #6 AWG.

I'm an unqualified rando on the internet, but I'd say if you grounded it 
with anything at all then you did better than most.




-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 5/1/2018 11:40:15 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Smallest gauge shield to ground

Whats the smallest gauge stranded ground i can use to bond bbdge copper 
shield to the ground lug on surge suppressors? Ive been using #8 but it 
gets cumbersome in a 12 port cross connect enclosure, i dont have 
footprint for a larger enclosure and my contractors hate my design

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Rural depopulation

[Adam Moffett]

Working hard not in the vocab, or not an option?
There are a couple hundred dairy farms around here I could work at.  
What kind of life could I have if I did that though?



-- Original Message --
From: "Dave" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 5/1/2018 12:20:43 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Rural depopulation


'Ready Player 1 'mode, funny but true just follow the Trend
Errbody trying to find that desk job. Working hard is not in the Vocab 
anymore.



On 04/30/2018 08:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
Getting close in many areas. Listened to the plight of small-town 
groceries that can't stock shelves with the low volume they are 
seeing.



bp


On 4/30/2018 5:51 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

https://newfoodeconomy.org/rural-kansas-depopulation-commodity-agriculture/

Thought some of you in the Midwest might have a unique perspective on 
this. Rural counties that have been shrinking in population for the 
past 50 years. At what point is a town too small to remain viable for 
commerce?







--

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber recommendation.

[Adam Moffett]

If you're getting a zip cord it will slip right through.  Gotta pay 
attention to the min & max cable diameters for the strain relief.
If you wanted that strain relief, you might have to bump up to a 
distribution cable just to get a thicker O.D.




-- Original Message --
From: "Jay Weekley" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/30/2018 2:55:27 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber recommendation.


That looks like what we need.

Adam Moffett wrote:
I don't know the proper name of this device, but they make a finger 
trap style strain relief with a ring sized to rest on top of the 
conduit fitting. So you feed the cable through the finger trap, then 
feed it through the conduit, then the weight is carried at the box 
connector.  Here's an example of one that Google found for me:

http://www.cablegrip.com/conduit_riser_cablegrip.php

I hope the cable you're getting is flexible and bend insensitive.

Thanks,
Adam



-- Original Message --
From: "Jay Weekley" <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>

To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: 4/30/2018 2:26:54 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Fiber recommendation.

<https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=993439894141736&set=gm.624613164555926&type=3&theater&ifg=1#>We 
are providing a backup internet connection to a local bank and I need 
a recommendation for a fiber run. We had conduit installed from our 
equipment box on the top floor of a banks parking deck to an 
equipment room on the first floor 4 stories down where it will be 
coupled with an existing run of single mode fiber. There are 8 - 90 
degree bends and at least 4 of those won't be sweeping 90's since 
they had to make some of the transitions from one direction to 
another with junction boxes.


Also, at the top of the deck there is a 60 foot vertical section of 
conduit that leads to the bottom of the deck and transitions 90 
degrees along the ceiling of the first floor. I need to find a way of 
securing the cable (strain relief) to the junction box that is in the 
picture I am including. Alternatively, I could use a recommendation 
for securing it to our equipment box. Either way, I don't need the 
weight of the cable damaging itself or tugging on our equipment in 
the box.


We know how long the cable will be so we will be buying it 
pre-terminated.


-- *Jay Weekley*
*Cyber Broadband
*


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-- *Jay Weekley*
*Cyber Broadband
*

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber recommendation.

[Adam Moffett]

Bend Insensitive will meet G.657 spec.  There are letters and numbers 
which come after that which tell you how many mm of bend gives you 0.1db 
of attenuation.  Corning says their "Clearcurve" fiber exceeds the best 
G.657 spec, but for Ethernet on an in-building single mode run I'd say 
anything saying G.657 should be good enough.


convenient chart illustrating different bend radii: 
https://www.itu.int/dms_pub/itu-t/oth/0b/04/T0B04542C01PDFE.pdf




-- Original Message --
From: "Jay Weekley" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/30/2018 2:37:56 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber recommendation.

Yep.  Any recommendations for flexible, bend insensitive cable will be 
greatly appreciated.


Adam Moffett wrote:
I don't know the proper name of this device, but they make a finger 
trap style strain relief with a ring sized to rest on top of the 
conduit fitting. So you feed the cable through the finger trap, then 
feed it through the conduit, then the weight is carried at the box 
connector.  Here's an example of one that Google found for me:

http://www.cablegrip.com/conduit_riser_cablegrip.php

I hope the cable you're getting is flexible and bend insensitive.

Thanks,
Adam



-- Original Message --
From: "Jay Weekley" <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>

To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: 4/30/2018 2:26:54 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Fiber recommendation.

<https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=993439894141736&set=gm.624613164555926&type=3&theater&ifg=1#>We 
are providing a backup internet connection to a local bank and I need 
a recommendation for a fiber run. We had conduit installed from our 
equipment box on the top floor of a banks parking deck to an 
equipment room on the first floor 4 stories down where it will be 
coupled with an existing run of single mode fiber. There are 8 - 90 
degree bends and at least 4 of those won't be sweeping 90's since 
they had to make some of the transitions from one direction to 
another with junction boxes.


Also, at the top of the deck there is a 60 foot vertical section of 
conduit that leads to the bottom of the deck and transitions 90 
degrees along the ceiling of the first floor. I need to find a way of 
securing the cable (strain relief) to the junction box that is in the 
picture I am including. Alternatively, I could use a recommendation 
for securing it to our equipment box. Either way, I don't need the 
weight of the cable damaging itself or tugging on our equipment in 
the box.


We know how long the cable will be so we will be buying it 
pre-terminated.


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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber recommendation.

[Adam Moffett]

I don't know the proper name of this device, but they make a finger trap 
style strain relief with a ring sized to rest on top of the conduit 
fitting. So you feed the cable through the finger trap, then feed it 
through the conduit, then the weight is carried at the box connector.  
Here's an example of one that Google found for me:

http://www.cablegrip.com/conduit_riser_cablegrip.php

I hope the cable you're getting is flexible and bend insensitive.

Thanks,
Adam



-- Original Message --
From: "Jay Weekley" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 4/30/2018 2:26:54 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Fiber recommendation.

<https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=993439894141736&set=gm.624613164555926&type=3&theater&ifg=1#>We 
are providing a backup internet connection to a local bank and I need a 
recommendation for a fiber run. We had conduit installed from our 
equipment box on the top floor of a banks parking deck to an equipment 
room on the first floor 4 stories down where it will be coupled with an 
existing run of single mode fiber. There are 8 - 90 degree bends and at 
least 4 of those won't be sweeping 90's since they had to make some of 
the transitions from one direction to another with junction boxes.


Also, at the top of the deck there is a 60 foot vertical section of 
conduit that leads to the bottom of the deck and transitions 90 degrees 
along the ceiling of the first floor. I need to find a way of securing 
the cable (strain relief) to the junction box that is in the picture I 
am including. Alternatively, I could use a recommendation for securing 
it to our equipment box. Either way, I don't need the weight of the 
cable damaging itself or tugging on our equipment in the box.


We know how long the cable will be so we will be buying it 
pre-terminated.


--
Jay Weekley
Cyber Broadband

Re: [AFMUG] drones

[Adam Moffett]

If they sucked a quadcopter into a jet engine on takeoff that would 
thrash up their turbine blades.


I'm sure it's bound to happen somewhere eventually.


-- Original Message --
From: "Robert" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/30/2018 10:37:54 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] drones

Also be aware that if you are within five miles of a towered airport 
you need FAA wavers for flight in that area.   I talked to a controller 
the other day and he was not kidding in any way, dead serious about 
prosecuting violators to the same level as they go after laser 
flashers.   Seems the FAA is on edge about the first aircraft to be 
brought down by a drone.   I thought it was a small probability but the 
FAA seems to think otherwise..


On 4/30/18 7:17 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
For those of you considering using a Drone for commercial purposes, be 
aware you probably need a commercial drone license.  Like many other 
things, you probably will never get caught if the flight is for 
internal use, but the requirement still exists.


I'm currently slowly working on getting mine for various reasons.  
Have been enjoying learning a bit more about our aeronautics system in 
the USA.  So far it doesn't seem like it's that difficult.


On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 7:13 AM Dave > wrote:


   We are in the market for one now.

   I was looking at the welds and mounting of that ring to hold all
   that gear. I like overkill for structural integrity. I would have 
more

   larger feet bolted to the tank on all angles.
   Just thinking about my poor tower guys cursing me after they
   discover what they are hooked on to.



   On 04/30/2018 12:14 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

   my contractor shot some drone pics on a site. other than the uber
   sloppy cable this doesnt look as terrible as it is. will rebuild
   it, but the drone footage and pics is crazy useful, the external
   perspective really helps getting an overall. i highly recommend
   getting drone shots


   --

Re: [AFMUG] PTP650, PTP550, NLOS

[Adam Moffett]

Doesn't much matter.  We don't like n's of any size.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/27/2018 1:28:53 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP650, PTP550, NLOS


Interesting, I didn’t now little “n” had a definition.

From:Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2018 9:45 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP650, PTP550, NLOS

They claim nLOS not NLOS. To cambium,  1/16 fresnel impact is nLOS

On Wed, Apr 25, 2018, 5:52 PM Christopher Gray 
 wrote:
I'm definitely not expecting Cambium to go through a forest in 5 
GHz... but they specifically claim NLOS capability.


I have several NLOS 5 GHz links going through leaves at very short 
ranges that are relatively stable (all ePMP). I'm just curious about 
what makes them claim their NLOS is better.


I'll look into the subcarries as Stanners suggested.





On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 4:13 PM, Josh Baird  
wrote:

NLOS "magic" in 5ghz?  Don't hold your breath, man.

On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 4:10 PM, Christopher Gray 
 wrote:
I've been told the PTP650 (and 670) have some sort of magic that 
helps with NLOS links. I've always assume this was a result of the 
custom chipset. Do these radios actually perform better than others 
in similar signal NLOS environments?


The PTP550 is based on a WiFi chipset... does it have any of the 
NLOS magic?



In NLOS situations, would the PTP650 / PTP550 be expected to 
significantly outperform the airFiber-X hardware?


Thank you - Chris

[AFMUG] List

[Adam Moffett]

Was the list dead for two days, or was that just me?

[AFMUG] Fiber repair budget

[Adam Moffett]

Does anybody have any rules of thumb they go by for budgeting for 
repairs of aerial fiber?
I'm sure eventually a tree will fall on a line or a truck will take out 
a pole.  Just trying to do my Boy Scout duty and be prepared.  Any 
insight from people who've been there would be helpful.


Thanks,
Adam

Re: [AFMUG] After Hours Tech Support

[Adam Moffett]

You can rely on an outside call center to take payments and do the basic 
tier 1 troubleshooting.  They'll have to escalate a "real" problem 
because you'll know things about your network that they won't know.  Go 
in with that expectation and you'll come out happy.


Some labor laws are federal and some are state.  So your state laws will 
be a factor in how to handle an employee doing off hours stuff.  It 
might be dangerous to go by what this bunch of randos on the Internet 
are doing.


In NY I'm aware of two methods that apparently are ok.  Some people get 
paid an "on call rate" which is different from their normal rate, and 
they switch to normal rate when they start working.  I'm aware of other 
companies who pay for 4 hours if the person does any work at all, and 
then pay for a full day if the person exceeds 4 hours and 1 minute.  
Both of those methods apparently are ok --major companies in this area 
use both of these methods.  My understanding is that if we place an 
expectation on the employee that they should be available to handle a 
call then that interferes with their own use of their own time and they 
have to be somehow be compensated for that.  Since you're in another 
state, it might be different.  I'm not a lawyer, and I'm completely 
unqualified to talk about any of this, and I'm barely qualified to talk 
about anything at all.


-Adam


-- Original Message --
From: "Darin Steffl" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/25/2018 7:57:45 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] After Hours Tech Support


We don't.

We pay serverplus $250 per month minimum for "X" amount of calls for 
24/7 tech support when our office is closed. It works fine most of the 
time and the customer gets to talk to someone. We don't return calls 
until normal business hours again. Sometimes I'll text someone if I 
think it'll be a quick fix. Otherwise, they're told to expect a 
callback on the next business day.


On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 1:39 AM, Matt  
wrote:

How or what do you pay an employee to either answer phone calls or
return voicemails after hours or on weekends?




--
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Minnesota WiFi
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Re: [AFMUG] USF

[Adam Moffett]

We're digressing quite a bit here, but at the end of the day the 
government skims money from one part of the economy and injects it into 
another part of the economy and colloquially we call that a "Tax".  Let 
politicians spin it however they want.


Calling it "Mandatory Contribution" is just marketing semantics, and 
ultimately the customer pays for that whether or not we choose to make 
it a separate line item.



-- Original Message --
From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/24/2018 1:02:26 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] USF


Not sure where you are getting that from 

Words are important, because they mean something.

USF is defined as a 'Mandatory Contribution'  (obligation on 
Telco/Carriers/ISP's) to the USAC Fund, mandated/ managed by the FCC.

It is not defined as a TAX.

https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/universal-service-support-mechanisms

However the Provider is Allowed to "RECOVER" their 'USF Contribution' 
from their Customers, (IF THEY CHOOSE TO DO SO ! ) (there is a set of 
loose rules on how this is accomplished... sadly these are not hard an 
fast rules either ! ).




Regards

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net



From: "Bill Prince" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 12:02:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] USF
That is rich.

So a telecom is not allowed to charge for USF, but they can charge a 
USF recovery fee.


I fail to see the difference here.



Sort of like Apple's "Overseas profits" of ~~ $225 billion. It was not 
actually "overseas", it was actually held here in the USA, but was 
merely labeled as "overseas".


bp



On 4/24/2018 8:47 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

No !

Before we discuss this...
You need to specify  what perspective you are asking the question 
from ?


Are you the Buyer ?  or are you the Seller ?
Are you Contributing to USF Fund directly to the FCC or are you a 
deminius entity ?


No One is allowed under the Law to "Charge" USF.
Only Entity that is Allowed under the Law to require "Mandatory 
Contribution" is the FCC to qualified Telecom Providers.
Now if you are talking about USF Recovery Fee... well that is a whole 
now gambit... not much 'rules and regulations' there.


:)


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net



From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 10:30:37 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] USF
Point to point Ethernet over fiber should not have to be charged for 
USF.


But if you receive DIA/backbone over it it then qualifies?

But if you charge your customers for USF then the DIA circuit should 
not be charged.


Do I have this correct?

Re: [AFMUG] USF

[Adam Moffett]

>>> The FCC has defined all internet traffic as interstate and a source 
of USF contributions.

When did that happen ? do you have an ref. please ?


http://www.commlawgroup.com/news/1172-fcc-clarifies-usf-classification-revenue-mixed-use-private-lines

Something changed about a year ago.  I think it's been the case for a 
long time that an interstate data connection is subject to USF.  I think 
what changed is they decided that the traffic is the determining factor 
rather than the physical connection points, and that Internet traffic 
must be assumed to be interstate.


Some people on this list have reported getting USF charges of 21% on DIA 
connections.  I haven't seen it yet here.

Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

[Adam Moffett]

Yes.  The more the better.


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/23/2018 3:39:47 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design


We gonna let girls join?

From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 1:37 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

Daisy Petals

https://www.girlscouts.org/content/dam/girlscouts-gsusa/forms-and-documents/our-program/insignia-list/what_daisies_do.pdf

Not a flower though. A base level training patch could be a shield 
shape (or whatever) and you add specific skills onto the shield.  
Trainers or supervisors get a chevron.


Now it's Fiber Scouts of America.


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/23/2018 2:34:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

Have you thought of stripes?  If you have too many categories chevron 
stripes will help conserve space.


From:Ben Royer
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 12:27 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

Haha, Thanks guys, yeah I’m planning on expanding on the patches more, 
something for like safe driver, or years of service, or other things.  
I could see some pretty funny demoralizing patches too.. World’s 
Okayest Technician lol.


Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net 

From:Jay Weekley
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 10:53 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

"Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of 
the unhappy people."


https://despair.com/collections/demotivators/products/demotivation 
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Adam Moffett wrote:

"Certified Morale Improvement Specialist"


-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/23/2018 11:28:06 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

The only morale boosting patch you need is one that says "The 
beatings will continue until morale improves"


On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 10:21 AM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:

That's a great idea.

-- Original Message --
From: "Ben Royer" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/23/2018 10:58:10 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Patch Design

Just thought I’d share a little design I came up with for my 
climbers.  Found a place to make them fairly cheap for morale 
patches they can earn.


Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net 
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Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

[Adam Moffett]

Daisy Petals

https://www.girlscouts.org/content/dam/girlscouts-gsusa/forms-and-documents/our-program/insignia-list/what_daisies_do.pdf

Not a flower though. A base level training patch could be a shield shape 
(or whatever) and you add specific skills onto the shield.  Trainers or 
supervisors get a chevron.


Now it's Fiber Scouts of America.


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/23/2018 2:34:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

Have you thought of stripes?  If you have too many categories chevron 
stripes will help conserve space.


From:Ben Royer
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 12:27 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

Haha, Thanks guys, yeah I’m planning on expanding on the patches more, 
something for like safe driver, or years of service, or other things.  
I could see some pretty funny demoralizing patches too.. World’s 
Okayest Technician lol.


Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

From:Jay Weekley
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 10:53 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

"Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of 
the unhappy people."


https://despair.com/collections/demotivators/products/demotivation 
<https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fdespair.com%2fcollections%2fdemotivators%2fproducts%2fdemotivation&c=E,1,k61tHqYjGMyFVk4-Utnxgca0sn3igcgBb4CGgGJP3tE1udUIPLUsemhJfP5Ov4AbjHPvh_iCNVSiYdYNBQkqXifcgXme1CiQ970_1gWWwbc,&typo=1>


Adam Moffett wrote:

"Certified Morale Improvement Specialist"


-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/23/2018 11:28:06 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

The only morale boosting patch you need is one that says "The 
beatings will continue until morale improves"


On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 10:21 AM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:

That's a great idea.

-- Original Message --
From: "Ben Royer" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/23/2018 10:58:10 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Patch Design

Just thought I’d share a little design I came up with for my 
climbers.  Found a place to make them fairly cheap for morale 
patches they can earn.


Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net 
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Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

[Adam Moffett]

"Certified Morale Improvement Specialist"


-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/23/2018 11:28:06 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

The only morale boosting patch you need is one that says "The beatings 
will continue until morale improves"


On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 10:21 AM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:

That's a great idea.

-- Original Message --
From: "Ben Royer" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/23/2018 10:58:10 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Patch Design

Just thought I’d share a little design I came up with for my 
climbers.  Found a place to make them fairly cheap for morale patches 
they can earn.


Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

Re: [AFMUG] Patch Design

[Adam Moffett]

That's a great idea.

-- Original Message --
From: "Ben Royer" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/23/2018 10:58:10 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Patch Design

Just thought I’d share a little design I came up with for my climbers.  
Found a place to make them fairly cheap for morale patches they can 
earn.


Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

Re: [AFMUG] CNUT not updating SM's via auto update

[Adam Moffett]

I haven't done that in a few years, but I think the auto update IP will 
be the IP address of your workstation.  The SM will need to be able to 
download the files direct from your IP.  You can make that work with NAT 
rules, or put your workstation into a DMZ, or give your workstation a 
public IP temporarily.


I've been using Maestro and haven't looked back.


-- Original Message --
From: "Sam Lambie" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/20/2018 12:38:20 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNUT not updating SM's via auto update


If I leave it at 0.0.0.0 it should update from any IP right?

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 7:02 PM, Philip Rankin  
wrote:
  Sam, there used to be a field on the front page of the cambium 
software that set out the upgrade IP address of the computer that was 
upgrading the  subscriber bottle. That has to be sent to the correct 
IP of the upgrading computer or at least the network. Good luck


On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 4:16 PM Sam Lambie  
wrote:
Hey all, I am using a NAT'd computer on our work lan and can access 
all the AP's from this box. However, when I enable auto update to 
upgrade the SM's first, Nothing happens. It used to work fine and in 
the past few months it has not.

Any suggestions?


--
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Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 

--
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Philip J. Rankin, CEO
Wireless Telecommunications, Corp.
A division of;
Mobilcom Wireless Services
PO Box 24
Pittsburg, KS  66762
620-231-8188




--
--
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Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] OT One for the borg

[Adam Moffett]

I don't know jack about the duct, but 2c per foot?  $2,000 over 20 
miles.


If you still need the thicker wall in some circumstances, then you might 
lose two grand in the cost of stocking and shipping and handling two 
rolls of tube vs one roll of tube.


The first time somebody brings the wrong roll to a job site and has to 
go back, then you've lost more than two grand of productivity.  Seems 
like it couldn't be worth it to me.  But I don't know jack.


-Adam



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/20/2018 11:11:36 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT One for the borg

I am considering using some SDR 13.5 duct where I have always used 
SDR11 before.


The DR stands for diameter ratio.  Ratio between wall thickness and 
outer diameter (I think).  Higher numbers mean thinner wall thickness.


Others use the 13.5 unless they get into rocky areas.  I am a bit 
gunshy as the cost is only about 2 cents per foot different.

Anyone here have any experiences they can relate?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Facebook non-users

[Adam Moffett]

They can for sure collect anonymous data even if you don't have an 
account.
The IP for my house geocodes exactly to my house, that correlated with 
other public records could be used to identify me even if I didn't have 
a Facebook account.


Hypothetically of course.  I have no idea what they really do.


-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/19/2018 3:59:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Facebook non-users

I think "how is that done" "what is collected" "did I approve this" are 
all questions that will only ever be answered by future subpoenas.
I would bet if using chrome to visit facebook, you share more than youd 
prefer, google also has you accept a TOS

FB and google are thick as thieves

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 2:55 PM, Bill Prince  
wrote:
How is that done? I do not have a FB account at all. Sure I have 
occasionally viewed a FB page from someone, but I've never logged into 
any of their services. I stay as far away as possible. I don't twitter 
either.


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part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 12:47 PM, Steve Jones 
 wrote:
yes you are, and he skirted that specific question may times because 
of the liability in doing that without you having agreed to the TOS.
Alot depends on what level of access FB has outside its app, when you 
accept terms on a mobile device you all but give FB ownership of your 
phone, so every persons whos accepted the FB TOS is pretty much a 
Typhoid Mary



On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 2:35 PM, Bill Prince  
wrote:
I've been casually following the FB bruhahah, and one of the topics 
that comes up is about whether FB follows what they call 
"non-users", but whenthey describe non-users, they refer to FB users 
that just aren't logged in.


Well I'm a non-user, but I don't have a FB account at all, nor do I 
use FB. Now I have occasionally followed a link to FB, but my 
interaction with their service could be described as "almost" 
non-existent. Am I a FB "non-user" or not. And if I am, what sort of 
data would they be collecting on me if I don't even go there or have 
an account?



--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

Re: [AFMUG] MTOW clamps

[Adam Moffett]

Other way around.  Angled tower leg, he's backing the angle with a piece 
of pipe so he can't crush the angle.  Using your bent clamp on the back 
so it goes against the pipe and the site pro piece on the front because 
it has a V-notch that will rest in the angle iron.



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/19/2018 3:41:24 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MTOW clamps


So you are adding an piece of angle iron to a round tower leg?
I presume y’all know about these:
https://www.mccowntech.com/product-category/tower-mounts-accessories/angle-iron-tower-leg-mounting-accessories/

From:Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 1:37 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MTOW clamps




On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 9:54 AM,  wrote:
The M-TOW-P-48 is not an angle iron part.  If that is what you ordered 
that is not what got shipped.


-Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 8:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MTOW clamps

On 4/18/18 7:16 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
The M-TOW products that are made for angle iron tower legs have a 
flat back clamp.  But the others are still the curved clamp.  We 
could have had a packing error in final assembly I suppose.



Oh, then I got the wrong one, I've never seen the angle iron tower 
ones.

Ordered from Streakwave. M-TOW-P-48

Re: [AFMUG] MTOW clamps

[Adam Moffett]

Quality CAD work there :)

Are you adapting the standard MTOW for angle iron by using the site pro 
clamps because they have that V-notch in them?



-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/19/2018 3:37:54 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MTOW clamps





On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 9:54 AM,  wrote:
The M-TOW-P-48 is not an angle iron part.  If that is what you ordered 
that is not what got shipped.


-Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 8:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MTOW clamps

On 4/18/18 7:16 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
The M-TOW products that are made for angle iron tower legs have a 
flat back clamp.  But the others are still the curved clamp.  We 
could have had a packing error in final assembly I suppose.



Oh, then I got the wrong one, I've never seen the angle iron tower 
ones.

Ordered from Streakwave. M-TOW-P-48

Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing

[Adam Moffett]

Layne,

If it's something you're able to discuss on list, can you summarize what 
advantages IssueTracker would give us over the built in ticketing in 
Powercode or Sonar?


Thanks,
Adam


-- Original Message --
From: "Layne Sisk" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 4/19/2018 1:39:05 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing

Hit me up if you want some info on IssueTracker.  It is what we used 
internally and we do license it (or give it away free for the companies 
we support).  It has full integration with Zendesk, Powercode, Sonar, 
UBO, and has pretty good integration available with SalesForce and 
Sugar CRM.




Layne Sisk

ServerPlus

801.426.8283, ext 102 

<http://www.serverplus.com/>


<https://www.facebook.com/ServerPlus365/>

<https://twitter.com/RealServerPlus>





From: Af  On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 9:18 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing



The company I used to work for had custom ticketing that would 
intergrate into powercode I believe it was all done with API so if any 
of these open source ticket software have API you should be able to put 
it into your billing sytstem if the system have API.


Tim









-Original Message-
From: "Matt Hoppes" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 04/19/18 08:48
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing

Well and they're in is the problem. There is no link between Zendesk 
and power code other than the customer name and email address. But not 
finding a perfect solution in a billing system this is the solution we 
have thus far. At least it aggregates all means of communication into 
one ticket system that we can use internally



On Apr 19, 2018, at 08:33, Gino A. Villarini  
wrote:


Nice, but how do you integrate it with the customer info you need to 
have on hand?




From: Af  on behalf of Matt Hoppes 


Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Thursday, April 19, 2018 at 8:20 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing




Check out Zendesk it will integrate with many things. We have Zendesk 
integrated with our text messages and Facebook page.


The only thing in power code or call logs when someone calls in but 
there's no reason you couldn't create a new ticket in Zendesk and 
link it to the customers email address. You can create a new account 
in Zendesk for the customer if you need to, or if they've ever 
emailed in before they will already have an account.






Gino A. Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968



On Apr 19, 2018, at 07:50, Darin Steffl  
wrote:


I'm afraid of having too many places for tickets so we're trying to 
decide on one place. I don't want email tickets in zendesk, phone 
call tickets in Azotel, texts in zipwhip, and Facebook messages on 
Facebook.




I'd really love an easy way (doesn't need to be free) to combine all 
our support methods into one spot so we don't lose or forget things.




On Thu, Apr 19, 2018, 12:14 PM Matt Hoppes 
 wrote:



You can open a ticket in Zendesk.



Do you mean open a ticket the customer can refer to or for you to 
track?  I guess you could do either.




We sometimes open tickets in zendesk to email the customer. Really 
your billing/CRM system should be handling phone support tickets 
and linking them to the account.



On Apr 19, 2018, at 05:18, Darin Steffl  
wrote:


I am having trouble finding a ticket system that is also good for 
people who call in. Most seem like you need a customer to email in 
to create a ticket. It seems harder to manually enter a ticket for 
those who call us.




Am I overlooking something obvious on zendesk for this? I don't 
need it integrated into my phone system, just an easy way to 
create a ticket when someone calls in.




On Wed, Apr 18, 2018, 11:54 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
 wrote:


What is everyone using for support tickets nowadays?  I've about 
had it with our system.




--

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Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 
59602


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Adam Moffett]

I'd be all for that.  I read somewhere that for all the $billions we 
spend on the DEA we are able to stop about 2% of drug traffic.  Sounds 
like a poor investment.



-- Original Message --
From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
To: "af" 
Sent: 4/18/2018 12:45:27 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

You also avoid some of the issues with questionable quality/potency, 
and the related poisioning/overdose deaths.


If one was to redirect all of the funds spent on the war on drugs (law 
enforcement, prisons, etc) into mental health, rehabilitation and 
education, I think we'd be far better off.





On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:18 PM, Josh Reynolds  
wrote:
That's... That's not at all how it works in the models I'm talking 
about.


You make it 100% legal, and remove the stigma. You provide safe places 
to get supplies and mental health care.


This largely removes the drug market all together (crashes it), making 
it not a viable thing to sell (better opportunity elsewhere).


It also has the highest treatment success rate for overcoming hard 
drug addiction (mental health care + kratom).



On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 11:13 PM Steve Jones  
wrote:
decriminalizing maintains the control, keeps people limited to user 
amounts only, doesnt turn a junkie into a felon whose life is 
effectively over, but the drug dealers can still be put in prison 
where they go.


On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:58 PM, Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:
If you legalize but tax, there still can be room for a competitor's 
product that is... Ahem tax free.


It's a slipper slope, because if you are taxing it, you are also 
regulating it.


It's crazy ... We allow alcohol but ban weed. Alcohol is 
disasterous!


You can sell homeopathic snake oil, but if you have a couple of 
mushrooms you found under cowshit in a field you can go to prison.


This is all so stupid.

... But hey, D.A.R.E.

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 10:43 PM Steve Jones 
 wrote:

I like pissing off cartels

I always preferred decriminalization to legalization, maintains a 
secondary effective tax to offset the byproduct cost in treatment, 
etc.


On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:27 PM, Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:
Decriminalize drugs except in the event of endangering the welfare 
of a child, or risking life/limb of another person.


Drugs are a personal choice. If Jimbo isn't hurting anybody by 
coming home and the end of a day and smoking a joint, or maybe 
using mushrooms or MDA to help overcome emotional trauma, or for 
religious reasons, who's business is that?


Hard drugs are often done to escape inward or to damage onesself 
or to feel something or just... Feel. The root problem is mental 
health. Let people get clean needles in a controlled setting and 
give them access to talk to someone. It's had amazing effects in 
those mentioned contries.


Oh yeah, it'll right piss off the cartels too.



On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 9:47 PM Steve Jones 
 wrote:

theres no shortage of criminals

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 6:47 PM, Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:
I wish we would treat drugs here like they do in Spain and 
Portugal, but how would our for-profit prison system, police and 
federal law enforcement get money?


On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:42 PM Steve Jones 
 wrote:
Thats heroin that permantly alters the opoid receptors in the 
brain, the molecule is slightly larger than the normal brain 
chemical (dopamine i think) its replacing, so the receptor is 
enlarged. Its actually that first use that is why doing heroin 
is called chasing the dragon, people are seeking to replicate 
that first high but never can because the physiologic change 
only happens once so its like chasing a dragon


On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:18 PM Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:

That's Fake News.

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 2:21 PM Nate Burke  
wrote:
I thought I heard somewhere that any use of Meth, even once, 
permanently
alters the brain chemistry.  So it's not a 'recreational' 
drug, and why

it's so addictive.

On 4/17/2018 2:11 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
> Anything that makes me not want to eat or sleep isn't for 
me.  I like

> those too much.
>
> Chuck McCown wrote:
>> If I am going to use bath salts, they are called Epsom and 
they are

>> dissolved in hot water...
>> Not really clear what they mean by bath salts.
>>
>> I was prescribed Xanax once.  Made me sleepy.
>> Pot was not my thing back in the 70s...
>> (I preferred Olympia, Blitz, Rainier, Hamms, Miller, 
Heineken, Henry

>> Winehards Private Reserve...)
>>
>> Not really sure what meth does to you but I know it is 
horribly

>> addictive and ruins everyone that gets hooked.
>> I guess it is a version of speed.  But no direct 
experience with that

>> either.  Not wanting anything that cause my hear to race.
>> Coke Zero does that enough for me.
>>
>> My wife lived on Oxy after a pair of horrific surgeries
>> (decompression of the spine, harrington rods, 14 lag 
screws into her

>> vertebrae).
>> But she didn't get hooked.  Claimed it worked really well.
>>
>> -Original Me

Re: [AFMUG] Switch Storm Control

[Adam Moffett]

Interesting thought.

-- Original Message --
From: "Carl Peterson" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/17/2018 5:23:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Switch Storm Control

If you are doing fiber with active ethernet, why not just run QinQ with 
a CVLAN for each port and an SVLAN back to wherever?


On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 4:40 PM, Dave  wrote:

OMG!
 what a broadcast nightmare :)


On 04/17/2018 11:49 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
Well, I’m using 48 port or more switches attached to each other, so I 
need something to limit it.




The switches typically limit ingress per port, so a low limiter 
should only affect the devices behind that port if one of the devices 
storm out.




I do have DHCP snooping, but that doesn’t necessarily block other 
types of bad traffic like that.




One thing I have to be careful of is to not broadly limit the uplink 
ports as well.




From: Af  <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>On 
Behalf Of Adam Moffett

Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 6:29 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Switch Storm Control



Exactly what I was thinking.



Is it a global setting for the switch or an ingress limit per port?  
If you can limit it per port then something like 5pps should be 
plenty.  They only need to ARP their default gateway and send a DHCP 
discover...anything else is surplus garbage. But If it's a global 
limit then someone sending garbage could prevent everybody else's ARP 
from working.




I may not be thinking clearly but doesn't port isolation address the 
risk of broadcast storms? You allow one path from the customer's 
access port to the uplink port.  Any broadcast traffic is received 
only at the router port which will only respond to the ones that 
matter and ignore the rest.




I recognize there are reasons to not like PPPoE, but PPPoE is another 
way to address it.  You configure the switch to discard anything from 
an access port that is not PPPoE.








-- Original Message --

From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 

To: "af" 

Sent: 4/17/2018 3:01:18 AM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Switch Storm Control



I don't have a good answer for you but  I really wish more 
devices would permit filtering such that the only 
broadcasts/multicasts permitted on customer facing segments were ARP 
and possibly DCHP if that's applicable to you.




If you can exempt arp and dhcp from this, then the correct value is 
likely as low as you can set it.




If you can't exempt arp and dhcp, you need to think about the 
ramifications where a low level broadcast storm saturates the 
setting you have set and prevents arp and dhcp from working




On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 3:49 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
 wrote:


What are you guys using as a 'standard' for packets per second 
storm control on your switches/devices?


I can limit broadcast, multicast and unknown unicast type packets

Is 100pps too low?

Would this be based on say a /24 network arping and DHCP request 
type traffic?








--

Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602

forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

<http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian>  
<http://facebook.com/packetflux>  <http://twitter.com/@packetflux>





--




--
Carl Peterson

PORT NETWORKS

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Adam Moffett]

Cathinones.  An artificial stimulant.

There was/is a loophole in some areas that it's not illegal to sell a 
product just because it can be misused.  So if you sell aerosol cans and 
somebody is inhaling the propellant to catch a buzz then the seller and 
producer are not liable for the idiot's behavior.  Glade and Krylon are 
not drug dealers.


So some people cook up cathinones and label the item as "bath salts" or 
similar and then sell it in their head shop.  Not their fault if someone 
smokes it, right?  I have no idea whether the item can actually dissolve 
in a bath and perform some sort of function as an actual bath salt.  I 
would think that would be a pre-requisite for the loophole to function.




-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/17/2018 2:18:54 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

If I am going to use bath salts, they are called Epsom and they are 
dissolved in hot water...

Not really clear what they mean by bath salts.

Re: [AFMUG] Switch Storm Control

[Adam Moffett]

Exactly what I was thinking.

Is it a global setting for the switch or an ingress limit per port?  If 
you can limit it per port then something like 5pps should be plenty.  
They only need to ARP their default gateway and send a DHCP 
discover...anything else is surplus garbage. But If it's a global limit 
then someone sending garbage could prevent everybody else's ARP from 
working.


I may not be thinking clearly but doesn't port isolation address the 
risk of broadcast storms? You allow one path from the customer's access 
port to the uplink port.  Any broadcast traffic is received only at the 
router port which will only respond to the ones that matter and ignore 
the rest.


I recognize there are reasons to not like PPPoE, but PPPoE is another 
way to address it.  You configure the switch to discard anything from an 
access port that is not PPPoE.




-- Original Message --
From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
To: "af" 
Sent: 4/17/2018 3:01:18 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Switch Storm Control

I don't have a good answer for you but  I really wish more 
devices would permit filtering such that the only broadcasts/multicasts 
permitted on customer facing segments were ARP and possibly DCHP if 
that's applicable to you.


If you can exempt arp and dhcp from this, then the correct value is 
likely as low as you can set it.


If you can't exempt arp and dhcp, you need to think about the 
ramifications where a low level broadcast storm saturates the setting 
you have set and prevents arp and dhcp from working


On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 3:49 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
 wrote:
What are you guys using as a 'standard' for packets per second storm 
control on your switches/devices?


I can limit broadcast, multicast and unknown unicast type packets

Is 100pps too low?

Would this be based on say a /24 network arping and DHCP request type 
traffic?




--
Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com 

  
  

Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

[Adam Moffett]

Singularity is an integrator.  Sort of like how Ipifony operates for 
phones.
They'll set you up with content providers, head end equipment, and so 
on.  You'd end up paying bills to several people.  Singularity provides 
a software system that ties it all together for provisioning customers 
and set top boxes.


Basically you have a very high amount of freedom to design your own TV 
packages, and they enabled the highest profit margin of any of the 
people I've talked to.  Setup cost is six figures.  Definitely a 
contender if you have the initial cash and the customer base to ensure a 
return.



-- Original Message --
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/15/2018 5:53:52 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV


How did that go?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> 
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> 
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> 
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL>

Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> 
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> 
<https://twitter.com/mdwestix>

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<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 3:39:59 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

I also just found out about another outfit called Singularity TV.  I
have a call with them next week.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/23/2018 4:36:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

>I know the RealChoice guys personally.  I trust them.  I was involved
>in the beginning of that product and it was pretty good them.  I am
>sure it is much better now.
>
>-Original Message- From: Clint Wiley
>Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:39 PM
>To: af@afmug.com
>Subject: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
>
>Hi,
>
>I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your customers. If
>so, are any of you using either RodeoTV or RealChoice TV as the
>wholesale provider? Can any of you provide feedback, thoughts,
>experiences, etc. on either provider?
>
>Thanks,
>_
>Clint Wiley
>Hagerstown Fiber Internet
>

Re: [AFMUG] Alvarion VL revisions

[Adam Moffett]

They may not want ours if I don't know what rev they are, and I don't 
have time to boot them all up and check unit info.


-Adam


-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/13/2018 9:55:40 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alvarion VL revisions


the label and the software was all i knew
iirc alvaricraft will pull that info in mass
are they looking for any more vl by chance, ive got a pile of them 
going out


On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 7:29 AM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:
Somebody wants to know if our used Alvarion VL is Revision C.  Is 
there a way to tell without logging in?  Maybe by the serial number?


Thanks,
Adam

[AFMUG] Alvarion VL revisions

[Adam Moffett]

Somebody wants to know if our used Alvarion VL is Revision C.  Is there 
a way to tell without logging in?  Maybe by the serial number?


Thanks,
Adam

Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

[Adam Moffett]

I guess the front end wasn't in sync with the back end.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/12/2018 12:49:13 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

Arrgh, I turned on nat and turned it back off and now it is 
working!  I hate it when I fix something like this and I do not 
know how I fixed it...


From:ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 10:28 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

I don’t think it is natted.  My son set it up, but he is away at 
college/work and I have limited access to him.






From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 9:57 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

It has to be related to NAT and/or reinvite.
Look for what IP is being presented to the outside world.  There are 
definitely relevant settings in Asterisk, could be in the phone too.


Assuming the phones have private IPs, I'd set canreinvite=no for the 
SIP peer used by the phones, and make sure the phones are not set to 
override the WAN IP.


Asterisk has a setting showing what IP it uses to talk to the 
worldI'm sorry I can't recall the name of the option.  If it has 
its own public IP, then use that.  If it's private and behind NAT then 
it may need to present to the world that it has the router's WAN IP.  
The NAT router could have SIP helper features.  You may need to turn 
that either on or off depending on what else you have going on.


You'll get better clues from a packet capture.  You can use tcpdump on 
the Asterisk Box, and/or do it on the router.  You can verify whether 
the incoming RTP stream is or isn't getting to you.  You can check the 
outbound SIP packets to see what source IP is being used.  The other 
end doesn't reply to the source from the IP header, he replies to the 
source IP used in the SIP messages.  If Asterisk is identifying itself 
as peer@192.168.1.10 then your carrier may be sending RTP to the 
private address which obviously can't cross the internet.




-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/12/2018 11:41:25 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

I am grateful for any bones that can be tossed this way.  Just stating 
“hey, I am having this problem” which implies that any suggestions to 
fix the problem are most welcome.

Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

[Adam Moffett]

Can you share the nat=, insecure=, and canreinvite= settings being used 
for the phones' peers?
I'm sorry I don't know where those are in FreePBX.  In vanilla asterisk 
they'd be in sip.conf.



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/12/2018 12:28:12 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

I don’t think it is natted.  My son set it up, but he is away at 
college/work and I have limited access to him.






From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 9:57 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

It has to be related to NAT and/or reinvite.
Look for what IP is being presented to the outside world.  There are 
definitely relevant settings in Asterisk, could be in the phone too.


Assuming the phones have private IPs, I'd set canreinvite=no for the 
SIP peer used by the phones, and make sure the phones are not set to 
override the WAN IP.


Asterisk has a setting showing what IP it uses to talk to the 
worldI'm sorry I can't recall the name of the option.  If it has 
its own public IP, then use that.  If it's private and behind NAT then 
it may need to present to the world that it has the router's WAN IP.  
The NAT router could have SIP helper features.  You may need to turn 
that either on or off depending on what else you have going on.


You'll get better clues from a packet capture.  You can use tcpdump on 
the Asterisk Box, and/or do it on the router.  You can verify whether 
the incoming RTP stream is or isn't getting to you.  You can check the 
outbound SIP packets to see what source IP is being used.  The other 
end doesn't reply to the source from the IP header, he replies to the 
source IP used in the SIP messages.  If Asterisk is identifying itself 
as peer@192.168.1.10 then your carrier may be sending RTP to the 
private address which obviously can't cross the internet.




-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/12/2018 11:41:25 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

I am grateful for any bones that can be tossed this way.  Just stating 
“hey, I am having this problem” which implies that any suggestions to 
fix the problem are most welcome.

Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

[Adam Moffett]

It has to be related to NAT and/or reinvite.
Look for what IP is being presented to the outside world.  There are 
definitely relevant settings in Asterisk, could be in the phone too.


Assuming the phones have private IPs, I'd set canreinvite=no for the SIP 
peer used by the phones, and make sure the phones are not set to 
override the WAN IP.


Asterisk has a setting showing what IP it uses to talk to the 
worldI'm sorry I can't recall the name of the option.  If it has its 
own public IP, then use that.  If it's private and behind NAT then it 
may need to present to the world that it has the router's WAN IP.  The 
NAT router could have SIP helper features.  You may need to turn that 
either on or off depending on what else you have going on.


You'll get better clues from a packet capture.  You can use tcpdump on 
the Asterisk Box, and/or do it on the router.  You can verify whether 
the incoming RTP stream is or isn't getting to you.  You can check the 
outbound SIP packets to see what source IP is being used.  The other end 
doesn't reply to the source from the IP header, he replies to the source 
IP used in the SIP messages.  If Asterisk is identifying itself as 
peer@192.168.1.10 then your carrier may be sending RTP to the private 
address which obviously can't cross the internet.




-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/12/2018 11:41:25 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

I am grateful for any bones that can be tossed this way.  Just stating 
“hey, I am having this problem” which implies that any suggestions to 
fix the problem are most welcome.

Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

[Adam Moffett]

He means PBX in a Flash.  It is FreePBX along with some other things.


-- Original Message --
From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/12/2018 11:01:43 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

It is too painful to read your emails which are lacking a lot of 
details..


Anyhow.. if you need assistance if fixing this, feel free to call me.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net



From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 10:53:15 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk
PIAF

From:Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 8:51 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

are you using asterisk or some variant of a PBX implementation e.g. 
freepbx or elastix ?


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net



From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 10:28:05 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk
It is a carrier that we have used for years.  Someone hacked 
something a month or two ago and was making thousands of calls from 
our asterisk system.  So we rebuilt everything trying to up the 
security.  Now, trying to get it to go again.


From:Lewis Bergman
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 6:22 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

What carrier are you using? Some carriers try to get out of the media 
path and hand the endpoint IP's off to each side. Depending on how 
your system is configured and what IP is handed during the ReInvite 
it can cause one way audio.


On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:17 PM Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

Between phones or through origination/termination?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 

Suite 1337 

Troy, OH 45373 



On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 5:44 PM  wrote:
I have extension to extension audio working now but one way 
outbound audio on outbound calls  arrgh

Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

[Adam Moffett]

Then there's the manual version:
T-Handle Trench Shovel 
<http://www.lewiscontractorsales.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=T23399&Store_Code=PAL&gdffi=6695d02f63ea49d99de40153f2e16d16&gdfms=91AC3FB05403417B9E5D25AE52FF3AFC&gclid=Cj0KCQjw5LbWBRDCARIsALAbcOdkLZxSEOIujO-B1CUNrLguMtcP_a23sRKzXI05-VLCHMyMOawbNa0aAk11EALw_wcB>


I've used a flat spade.  Stab into ground, jump on it so it goes all the 
way in, pull it out, move down a few inches, jump on it again.  You end 
up with a skinny slot.  Shove cable into the slot, stomp your boots on 
it to close the slot back up.



-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/11/2018 3:29:17 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher


Yeah I was gonna say an edger is about the cheapest thing.
Only goes a few inches deep, but that's all you need.


-- Original Message --
From: "Jon Lee" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/11/2018 1:25:27 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

Don't know if this would apply, but in the past I have used a sidewalk 
edger to install an "Invisible Fence" for dogs.


-Jon
Off-Grid Networks

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:17 AM, David Coudron 
 wrote:
We have been looking for something better as well and found the one 
you mentioned.  There are some pretty neat walk behind products out 
there too, but more money and not very convenient.   Today we use 
lawn edgers, which only get the cable down about 1.5”.   It seems to 
be far enough, but would like it to be a little deeper.   We also use 
an inhouse built mini-plow device that goes behind a lawn mower or 4 
wheeler.   That works pretty good, but is not convenient as we have 
to pull to the site on a trailer.   However, we can plow in 300 ft in 
about 10 minutes with that.  It has a spool holder and everything. .  
The shovel works, but is painfully slow and when the grass is really 
dry, it kills the grass as it dries out the sod that was flipped 
over.




For right now we are batching up the work and pulling a 4-wheeler to 
the site with the mini-plow, or if it is a one off situation, we use 
the hand held lawn edger.


https://www.amazon.com/BLACK-DECKER-LE750-Landscape-Trencher/dp/B4DTNH?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duckduckgo-ffab-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B4DTNH 
<https://www.amazon.com/BLACK-DECKER-LE750-Landscape-Trencher/dp/B4DTNH?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duckduckgo-ffab-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B4DTNH>




A sawsall based product or similar would be ideal as the tech could 
always have it with them.




Thanks,



David Coudron





From: Af  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 12:10 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hg04CmggTM 
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hg04CmggTM>


like this

but not 2 grand



On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:


A shovel? Push the shovel down, flip the grass on it's top. Continue 
for length of run. Lay cable. Flip grass back over. Push down with 
foot.




You can't even tell the grass was disturbed when done



On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 11:59 AM Steve Jones 
 wrote:


For these residential deals, we occasionally lose out on new 
customers because they dont want to trench cable themselves.


For this purpose it really only need 4 to 8 inches, just to stay 
under the sod.


Is there a device that attaches to a drill or sawzall? Maybe a 
chainsaw modified bar or a bucksaw trenching blade?


Not looking to get into a whole trencher, just something that 
ideally would fit in the truck on a shelf









--
Jon Lee
Off-Grid Networks
c.928.793.2972

Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

[Adam Moffett]

Yeah I was gonna say an edger is about the cheapest thing.
Only goes a few inches deep, but that's all you need.


-- Original Message --
From: "Jon Lee" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/11/2018 1:25:27 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

Don't know if this would apply, but in the past I have used a sidewalk 
edger to install an "Invisible Fence" for dogs.


-Jon
Off-Grid Networks

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:17 AM, David Coudron 
 wrote:
We have been looking for something better as well and found the one 
you mentioned.  There are some pretty neat walk behind products out 
there too, but more money and not very convenient.   Today we use lawn 
edgers, which only get the cable down about 1.5”.   It seems to be far 
enough, but would like it to be a little deeper.   We also use an 
inhouse built mini-plow device that goes behind a lawn mower or 4 
wheeler.   That works pretty good, but is not convenient as we have to 
pull to the site on a trailer.   However, we can plow in 300 ft in 
about 10 minutes with that.  It has a spool holder and everything. .  
The shovel works, but is painfully slow and when the grass is really 
dry, it kills the grass as it dries out the sod that was flipped over.




For right now we are batching up the work and pulling a 4-wheeler to 
the site with the mini-plow, or if it is a one off situation, we use 
the hand held lawn edger.


https://www.amazon.com/BLACK-DECKER-LE750-Landscape-Trencher/dp/B4DTNH?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duckduckgo-ffab-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B4DTNH 





A sawsall based product or similar would be ideal as the tech could 
always have it with them.




Thanks,



David Coudron





From: Af  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 12:10 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hg04CmggTM 



like this

but not 2 grand



On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds  
wrote:


A shovel? Push the shovel down, flip the grass on it's top. Continue 
for length of run. Lay cable. Flip grass back over. Push down with 
foot.




You can't even tell the grass was disturbed when done



On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 11:59 AM Steve Jones 
 wrote:


For these residential deals, we occasionally lose out on new 
customers because they dont want to trench cable themselves.


For this purpose it really only need 4 to 8 inches, just to stay 
under the sod.


Is there a device that attaches to a drill or sawzall? Maybe a 
chainsaw modified bar or a bucksaw trenching blade?


Not looking to get into a whole trencher, just something that 
ideally would fit in the truck on a shelf









--
Jon Lee
Off-Grid Networks
c.928.793.2972

Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

[Adam Moffett]

It's only a deterrent.  Nobody's expecting to stop Danny Ocean.

Is it harder to climb if the barbed wire angles outwards?  My criminal 
trespassing days are well behind me, so I honestly don't know.



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/10/2018 6:22:58 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg


That was my thinking as well.

From:Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 2:56 PM
To:af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

I'm not in the habit of cutting through fences, but I'd guess that it 
would take less time to get through chain link, but you're going to 
need a bigger cutters... and if somebody wants to get in that badly, 
they'll cut through either one.


But I can say that climbing 8' chain link with barbed wire at the top 
isn't that hard...


On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 2:24 PM, Bill Prince  
wrote:
Depending on the gauge, hog wire can be about the same difficulty to 
cut as chain link. Not sure which one would be more or less difficult 
to get through, but when you cut a row of chainnlink, the rest folds 
up like an accordion.


I like concertina across the top, but the stuff you described works 
too. Might be easier to work with.


Motion activated alarms can be effective.


-bp

--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Chuck McCown  
wrote:
I need to build a fence.  Keep people out of my equipment yard.  Lost 
a few things over the years, mostly radiators, wiring batts etc.  
Copper stuff.


So, what kind of fence.  How tall.  I am thinking 10’/8’ T post with 
hog/goat welded wire.


Perhaps with those barbed wire brackets (if I can get them to fit) 
with three strands of barbed wire angling outward.


Could do shorter.
Could do chain link.
Could do three strands of straight barbed wire at the top of 6’.

Not sure I need to do the 2 3/8 pipe posts cemented in the ground 
except for the corners.


If they will cut hog wire they will cut chain link I think.

Chain link fence company quoted $25/foot.

Cops say motion activated lights are the best deterrent.  Followed by 
working or not cameras.

And I am doing/will do both of these.

Opinions please.

Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

[Adam Moffett]

Did you get ballistic housings?

P.S.: I'm really amused that your office is an abandoned hospital.  No 
ordinary office would do for a person of your caliber.



-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/10/2018 3:42:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

best thing we did here (we operate out of an abandoned hospital) was 
put up as big of housings for our security cameras as we could find and 
put them in very prominent locations. We went from a broken window or 
tresspass almost every other week to it being a very rare occurrence.


On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 2:24 PM, Bill Prince  
wrote:
Depending on the gauge, hog wire can be about the same difficulty to 
cut as chain link. Not sure which one would be more or less difficult 
to get through, but when you cut a row of chainnlink, the rest folds 
up like an accordion.


I like concertina across the top, but the stuff you described works 
too. Might be easier to work with.


Motion activated alarms can be effective.


-bp

--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Chuck McCown  
wrote:
I need to build a fence.  Keep people out of my equipment yard.  Lost 
a few things over the years, mostly radiators, wiring batts etc.  
Copper stuff.


So, what kind of fence.  How tall.  I am thinking 10’/8’ T post with 
hog/goat welded wire.


Perhaps with those barbed wire brackets (if I can get them to fit) 
with three strands of barbed wire angling outward.


Could do shorter.
Could do chain link.
Could do three strands of straight barbed wire at the top of 6’.

Not sure I need to do the 2 3/8 pipe posts cemented in the ground 
except for the corners.


If they will cut hog wire they will cut chain link I think.

Chain link fence company quoted $25/foot.

Cops say motion activated lights are the best deterrent.  Followed by 
working or not cameras.

And I am doing/will do both of these.

Opinions please.

Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

[Adam Moffett]

Touch the wires together and make morse code.

Can you do SDSL on the same loop, or is it too long for that?


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/10/2018 1:19:23 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

I have some customers still on T1 over copper loops.  (This is in 
Louisiana, not Utah).We cannot buy the pairgain cards any more to 
supply them and we are out of cards.

Any suggestions?

Re: [AFMUG] LTE 3.65 and GPS Sync

[Adam Moffett]

Yes, but just like Wimax or Canopy you have to set a compatible 
configuration at each site.



-- Original Message --
From: "Matt" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/10/2018 1:13:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LTE 3.65 and GPS Sync


So do all sites use GPS to transmit at the same time then receive at
same to reduce interference between sites?


On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 9:23 AM, Mathew Howard  
wrote:
I haven't ever heard of anybody doing AAA in 3.65ghz... but yeah, I 
guess

that would work to just leave huge gaps.

Generally, as long as none of your clients can see more than one AP on 
the
same channel you're fine, as far as self-interference goes (and that 
applies

to pretty much any synced system).

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 9:16 AM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:


You can still do ABAB.

That AAA thing you're talking about is with three very narrow 
sectors.  So

that cell has huge gaps which are filled in from an adjacent cell.



-- Original Message --
From: "Matt" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/10/2018 9:49:53 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] LTE 3.65 and GPS Sync

How does LTE work with GPS sync?  As I understand instead of ABAB 
they
typically do AAA for frequency reuse?  Does this also mean if you 
have

two LTE sites say 8 miles apart they will have minimal interference
with each other even using same channels?

Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

[Adam Moffett]

Get a DIN mount DPDT, wire it so your load is on the normally closed 
contacts.  Run the control circuit on the DPDT through the normally open 
contact on the Site Monitor.


I'd bet a Google search can give you diagrams.


-- Original Message --
From: "Paul McCall" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 4/10/2018 12:11:21 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

My service manager seems to be struggling with using the Sitemonitor 
Relay contact to trigger a 48 Relay that we want to use to power cycle 
the whole tower if necessary.  So, Packetflux states that the Relay 
control is maximum. 30v 1amp.  So a little more than half the amps at 
48v.




So, in the past (lighter loads on towers) we used this to trigger an 
external relay and “open” the ground to the main power feed going up 
the tower.  At 48v, we sometimes are around 2amp on the bigger towers, 
some perhaps a bit higher still.  (with a 48v relay).




We should be able to use the Sitemonitor to somehow accomplish it.



Can anybody comment on this?



Thanks!



Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800

pa...@pdmnet.net

www.pdmnet.com

www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] LTE 3.65 and GPS Sync

[Adam Moffett]

Sometimes they only have enough spectrum for one good sized channel.  So 
they can deploy all on one channel, but they have very narrow sectors 
and they rely on having a grid of towers so each tower is filling in the 
gaps on another tower.  Picture interlocking fingers.


I've never done this, but I understand you have to plan it very 
carefully and accept that you will have dead spots.  You might have LOS 
to a tower and have no or marginal signal because of unlucky geography.  
Like maybe you're supposed to be covered by the site which is blocked by 
a hill, but you can see the one that doesn't have a sector pointed at 
you.


It's a way to make the most of a limited chunk of spectrum, but I think 
you'd rather do it a different way if you can.


-Adam



-- Original Message --
From: "Mathew Howard" 
To: "af" 
Sent: 4/10/2018 10:23:29 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LTE 3.65 and GPS Sync

I haven't ever heard of anybody doing AAA in 3.65ghz... but yeah, I 
guess that would work to just leave huge gaps.


Generally, as long as none of your clients can see more than one AP on 
the same channel you're fine, as far as self-interference goes (and 
that applies to pretty much any synced system).


On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 9:16 AM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:

You can still do ABAB.

That AAA thing you're talking about is with three very narrow sectors. 
 So that cell has huge gaps which are filled in from an adjacent cell.




-- Original Message --
From: "Matt" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/10/2018 9:49:53 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] LTE 3.65 and GPS Sync

How does LTE work with GPS sync?  As I understand instead of ABAB 
they
typically do AAA for frequency reuse?  Does this also mean if you 
have

two LTE sites say 8 miles apart they will have minimal interference
with each other even using same channels?

Re: [AFMUG] LTE 3.65 and GPS Sync

[Adam Moffett]

You can still do ABAB.

That AAA thing you're talking about is with three very narrow sectors.  
So that cell has huge gaps which are filled in from an adjacent cell.



-- Original Message --
From: "Matt" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/10/2018 9:49:53 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] LTE 3.65 and GPS Sync


How does LTE work with GPS sync?  As I understand instead of ABAB they
typically do AAA for frequency reuse?  Does this also mean if you have
two LTE sites say 8 miles apart they will have minimal interference
with each other even using same channels?

Re: [AFMUG] ssl certs

[Adam Moffett]

You mean to ask: Is it worth paying for the magical, certified, unicorn, 
green bar, padlock, trustwaved, turbo extended validation cert for 
$700/year?


IDK bro.  Pretty sure the encryption is the same though.  Pretty sure 
the end user doesn't care as long as they don't get an error message.


I'd pay more to have it renew all by itself, but I don't think that's an 
option.

-Adam



-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/9/2018 2:59:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ssl certs

tbh, im not really looking for alternative sources, im asking advice on 
what i need in a certificate


On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 1:52 PM, Cameron Crum  
wrote:

ssls.com

On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 1:02 PM, Steve Jones 
 wrote:
Im no webdude is the main reason. I know alot of people use it, 
phishermen love them. Theyre "trusted, but not verified" which, to no 
webdude me, says "IT WILL BECOME UNTRUSTED". I hate godaddy, but 
theyre not likely to become untrusted, so its not something id have 
to deal with with little to no knowlege. plus I dont understand this 
90 day thing



On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 12:08 PM, Mike Hammett  
wrote:

Can you use Let's Encrypt?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> 
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> 
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> 
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL>

Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> 
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> 
<https://twitter.com/mdwestix>

The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

From: "Steve Jones" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, April 9, 2018 12:07:04 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] ssl certs

Our current cert for our billing server (powercode) is about to 
expire. For some time web browsers have been throwing up the 
insecure flag, probably needed to update it.


What does a guy need in a certificate these days? godaddy is where 
we have it from, they have all kinds of options like green bar 
guarantee cert, etc.


I have thought about getting one thats good for more than one page, 
just to get rid of the annoying security screen on our managment 
port and mobile. but the wildcard cert seems more pricey than id 
prefer for something thats just convienient rather than needed

Re: [AFMUG] ssl certs

[Adam Moffett]

Domain validation is usually cheaper.  Nobody's complained about it yet.
I have one wildcard cert on POP/SMTP server, webmail, website, customer 
portal, etc.


The only problem is when you forget to pay for it they're all broken at 
the same time lol.



-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/9/2018 1:07:05 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] ssl certs

Our current cert for our billing server (powercode) is about to expire. 
For some time web browsers have been throwing up the insecure flag, 
probably needed to update it.


What does a guy need in a certificate these days? godaddy is where we 
have it from, they have all kinds of options like green bar guarantee 
cert, etc.


I have thought about getting one thats good for more than one page, 
just to get rid of the annoying security screen on our managment port 
and mobile. but the wildcard cert seems more pricey than id prefer for 
something thats just convienient rather than needed

Re: [AFMUG] Remote access and mobile data for tech

[Adam Moffett]

I was talking to Select Spectrum the other day.  They can get you a 
channel in 217-220mhz.  The license is for a whole county.  I think the 
biggest size is 1mhz, but they'll also do a 100khz channel.  They'll 
price it by Mhz*population.  A tenth of a mhz times the population of a 
rural county could be pretty cheap.  Oh and you can transmit at 50 Watts 
ERP.


So along these lines I was wondering how feasible it would be to build a 
little low speed OOB management network.  You might only get 100kbps, 
but 217mhz at 50 Watts should really travel.  It might be just the thing 
to get you into your hung router.



-- Original Message --
From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 4/6/2018 8:56:51 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Remote access and mobile data for tech

Does have a learning curve but great technical support with real folks 
on phone


Jaime Solorza

On Thu, Apr 5, 2018, 9:36 PM Steve Jones  
wrote:
Cradlepoint is what we are looking toward for sites. Is it as 
versatile as mikrotik for fieldwork? I need easy changes without 
reboot


On Thu, Apr 5, 2018, 8:35 PM Jaime Solorza  
wrote:
I have zero issues with Cradlepoint Aer1600... T-MOBILE , Wi-Fi and 
LAN connectionsI can use two SIM cards if I need


Jaime Solorza

On Thu, Apr 5, 2018, 6:40 PM Steve Jones  
wrote:
May be looking for two separate items here. And rehashing the site 
remote acces questions.
I prefer a multicarrier option, that way if im in the tech van and 
its verizon sim isnt getting quality id like to drop my att straight 
talk sim in and get interwebs.
I prefer mikrotik. I currently use an air router for the install 
truck and with ip aliases i can access all our radios directly from 
a phone and our long test cable. Except not 169.254.1.1 because ubnt 
chose to hardcode that. If the radio connects to our network then we 
have access to our network from our phone. Having the cellular 
option adds public side access. Plus google earth needs a live 
connection to plot link paths onsite, i did it today on a 300k 
hotspot from my workphone...aweful.
I would like external wifi and cellular antenna options so i dont 
have to hang this out the window in a ziplock baggie, looks kind of 
ghetto, but it also needs to be able to be made portable if im 
testing where i cant get the van close enough to operate off the 
test cables and have to operate off ac site power or out of radio 
range of the van antenna.


Then, of course external remote site access. We had a site router 
hang the other day and had to drive to the site with a subscriber to 
connect from the ground and reboot the ups, otherwise we would have 
had to climb or trip the breaker and wait for the battery to die

Re: [AFMUG] CPU - when to upgrade

[Adam Moffett]

My rule of thumb is >50% = upgrade.
I wouldn't argue with 25% either.

We see a % CPU usage which updates every second.  I don't know if it's a 
1 second average, or a rolling 5 second average, or whatever.  Either 
way there could be milliseconds within that average where all CPU time 
is occupied and it wouldn't show in the display.  If we're trying to 
carry traffic which is sensitive to milliseconds of delay (VoIP) then my 
feeling is ought to be safer to keep the CPU usage low.


I have no data to back this up.  It's basically just the philosophy that 
I'd rather have it and not need it than need it not have it.




-- Original Message --
From: "Mathew Howard" 
To: "af" 
Sent: 4/5/2018 9:10:41 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CPU - when to upgrade

I start getting paranoid if I see more than about 25% CPU load on a 
Mikrotik... whether or not that's actually having any impact on 
performance, I don't know, but I suspect at 70% it is - I would 
certainly upgrade it to something faster at that point. What model of 
Mikrotik is it?


On Thu, Apr 5, 2018, 7:24 PM Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T) 
 wrote:

Hi Guys



When you have a router and cpu is hitting about 60 – 70% with traffic 
load would that impact speeds?


I’ve got a few links that don’t seem to go as hard as they should, but 
I can’t find the reason.


The routers are MikroTik and the radios (also highish cpu) are ubnt 
with plenty of airtime free)


Hmmm, That’s another question, at what Airtime % will you start to see 
impacted performance?






Thanks



Rhys

Re: [AFMUG] OT Help MT config

[Adam Moffett]

Ah...yes his IP is a /32 right now.
Good eye.

-- Original Message --
From: "Robert Andrews" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/5/2018 6:35:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Help MT config

Shouldn't his IP address have a /24 after it so that it has a network 
component...???


On 04/05/2018 01:27 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Total noob with MT configs.
So far this is what we have.
It does not pass traffic to its DHCP clients.
Anything obviously wrong here?
# apr/05/2018 14:28:41 by RouterOS 6.41.3
# software id = NKWC-ZTQG
#
# model = 2011iL
# serial number = 607D05B9AED2
/interfacewirelesssecurity-profiles
set[find*default*=yes]supplicant-identity=MikroTik
/ippool
addname=dhcp_pool1 *ranges*=172.17.6.100-172.17.6.250
/ipdhcp-server
addaddress-pool=dhcp_pool1 disabled=no*interface*=ether5 name=dhcp1 
src-address=172.17.1.192

/interfacebridgeport
addcomment=defconf *interface*=ether1
addcomment=defconf *interface*=ether2
addcomment=defconf *interface*=ether3
addcomment=defconf *interface*=ether4
addcomment=defconf *interface*=ether5
addcomment=defconf *interface*=ether6
addcomment=defconf *interface*=ether7
addcomment=defconf *interface*=ether8
addcomment=defconf *interface*=ether9
addcomment=defconf *interface*=ether10
/ipaddress
add*address*=172.17.6.1 *interface*=ether5 network=172.17.6.1
/ipdhcp-client
addcomment=defconf dhcp-options=hostname,clientid 
disabled=no*interface*=ether1adddhcp-options=hostname,clientid 
disabled=no*interface*=ether6

/ipdhcp-servernetwork
addaddress=172.17.6.0/24 dns-server=172.17.1.1,172.17.0.2,1.0.0.1 
gateway=172.17.6.1

/systemclock
settime-zone-name=America/Denver[admin@MikroTik] >

Re: [AFMUG] OT Help MT config

[Adam Moffett]

 /ip firewall nat add chain=src-nat action=masquerade src-address= 
172.16.6.0/24


OR

/ip firewall nat add chain=src-nat action=src-nat 
src-address=172.16.6.0/24 to-addresses=[your WAN IP here]


Masquerade will NAT your privates to the IP used to egress the 
routeror something to that effect.  I only use Masquerade if my WAN 
IP is dynamic.



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/5/2018 4:35:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Help MT config


Example please?

From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2018 2:28 PM
To:af@afmug.com ; af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Help MT config

Need a src-nat rule

-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/5/2018 4:27:28 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Help MT config


Total noob with MT configs.

So far this is what we have.

It does not pass traffic to its DHCP clients.
Anything obviously wrong here?


# apr/05/2018 14:28:41 by RouterOS 6.41.3
# software id = NKWC-ZTQG
#
# model = 2011iL
# serial number = 607D05B9AED2

/interfacewirelesssecurity-profiles
set[finddefault=yes]supplicant-identity=MikroTik

/ippool
addname=dhcp_pool1 ranges=172.17.6.100-172.17.6.250

/ipdhcp-server
addaddress-pool=dhcp_pool1 disabled=nointerface=ether5 name=dhcp1 
src-address=172.17.1.192


/interfacebridgeport
addcomment=defconf interface=ether1
addcomment=defconf interface=ether2
addcomment=defconf interface=ether3
addcomment=defconf interface=ether4
addcomment=defconf interface=ether5
addcomment=defconf interface=ether6
addcomment=defconf interface=ether7
addcomment=defconf interface=ether8
addcomment=defconf interface=ether9
addcomment=defconf interface=ether10

/ipaddress
addaddress=172.17.6.1 interface=ether5 network=172.17.6.1
/ipdhcp-client

addcomment=defconf dhcp-options=hostname,clientid 
disabled=nointerface=ether1 adddhcp-options=hostname,clientid 
disabled=nointerface=ether6


/ipdhcp-servernetwork
addaddress=172.17.6.0/24 dns-server=172.17.1.1,172.17.0.2,1.0.0.1 
gateway=172.17.6.1


/systemclock
settime-zone-name=America/Denver[admin@MikroTik] >

Re: [AFMUG] OT Help MT config

[Adam Moffett]

Need a src-nat rule

-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/5/2018 4:27:28 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Help MT config


Total noob with MT configs.

So far this is what we have.

It does not pass traffic to its DHCP clients.
Anything obviously wrong here?


# apr/05/2018 14:28:41 by RouterOS 6.41.3
# software id = NKWC-ZTQG
#
# model = 2011iL
# serial number = 607D05B9AED2

/interfacewirelesssecurity-profiles
set[finddefault=yes]supplicant-identity=MikroTik

/ippool
addname=dhcp_pool1 ranges=172.17.6.100-172.17.6.250

/ipdhcp-server
addaddress-pool=dhcp_pool1 disabled=nointerface=ether5 name=dhcp1 
src-address=172.17.1.192


/interfacebridgeport
addcomment=defconf interface=ether1
addcomment=defconf interface=ether2
addcomment=defconf interface=ether3
addcomment=defconf interface=ether4
addcomment=defconf interface=ether5
addcomment=defconf interface=ether6
addcomment=defconf interface=ether7
addcomment=defconf interface=ether8
addcomment=defconf interface=ether9
addcomment=defconf interface=ether10

/ipaddress
addaddress=172.17.6.1 interface=ether5 network=172.17.6.1
/ipdhcp-client

addcomment=defconf dhcp-options=hostname,clientid 
disabled=nointerface=ether1 adddhcp-options=hostname,clientid 
disabled=nointerface=ether6


/ipdhcp-servernetwork
addaddress=172.17.6.0/24 dns-server=172.17.1.1,172.17.0.2,1.0.0.1 
gateway=172.17.6.1


/systemclock
settime-zone-name=America/Denver[admin@MikroTik] >

Re: [AFMUG] OT Asterisk

[Adam Moffett]

Put a private IP on the second interface and have the phones register to 
that one.
I've done that before, and I don't think there was much more to it than 
that.  I think there's a listen= or bindaddress= line in one of the 
config files you may have to adjust.




-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/4/2018 3:38:46 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Asterisk

How can you make asterisk use two eth interfaces so that all the phones 
are on a private internal interface and the world is on the other?

Re: [AFMUG] Laptop Keyboards

[Adam Moffett]

Can I get one of these in a laptop?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/48/IBM_Model_M.png


-- Original Message --
From: "Bill Prince" 
To: "Motorola III" 
Sent: 4/4/2018 2:19:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Laptop Keyboards

Yes. You HAVE to touch it. Keyboards are va ery "personal" sort pf 
thing, and one person's awful is another's wonderful.


JMNSHO

-bp

--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 11:09 AM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:

I'm looking for a new laptop and I'm picky about the keyboard.

I'll want decent performance, but my current ASUS laptop drives me 
nuts because if I type too fast it misses key strokes.  Am I limited 
to shopping at a real store where I can play with the keyboard first, 
or is there a way to tell from specs?

[AFMUG] Laptop Keyboards

[Adam Moffett]

I'm looking for a new laptop and I'm picky about the keyboard.

I'll want decent performance, but my current ASUS laptop drives me nuts 
because if I type too fast it misses key strokes.  Am I limited to 
shopping at a real store where I can play with the keyboard first, or is 
there a way to tell from specs?

Re: [AFMUG] Traco BCMU360 24 or 48v

[Adam Moffett]

How much is enough to matter?

Without temperature compensation you're undercharging all winter and 
overcharging all summer.  My understanding is that's going to 
permanently reduce your capacity.


Even if you have climate control, the battery makes heat when charging 
and discharging, so if you tape the sensor to the positive terminal you 
can benefit from temperature compensation even if the room is always 70 
degrees.




-- Original Message --
From: "Mathew Howard" 
To: "af" 
Sent: 4/3/2018 5:27:27 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traco BCMU360 24 or 48v

I didn't realize the BCMU had temperature controlled charging... that 
would be an advantage, but if you have it in a box with a power supply, 
switch and such, it's going to stay pretty warm in the winter anyway... 
we don't heat or cool any of our boxes, and the majority don't even 
have ventilation, and I haven't seen any real problems with just using 
a static float voltage. It may lose us a bit of battery life and/or 
capacity, but I don't see that it's enough to matter.


On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 4:10 PM, Darin Steffl  
wrote:
The one thing that worries me about using the DR-UPS40 is that it 
doesn't have temperature controlled charging like BCMU does. So we 
would have to set one charging voltage that is static which will be 
under voltage in the winter and over voltage cooking the batteries in 
the summer when the box is hot. We don't heat or cool our boxes so I 
was looking for something with a little more control of the float 
voltage with the temperature differences we have. I also would like to 
only use one battery instead of two.




On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 4:06 PM, Mathew Howard  
wrote:
I'm the Netonix would be doing any voltage up/down conversion you'd 
need to do in that setup anyway, so I don't really see much advantage 
to 24v vs 48v one way or the other.


In a setup like that, I'd personally just use the Meanwell SDR-240-24 
with a Meanwell DR-UPS40, and do 24v batteries, instead of using the 
BCMU-360. You need two batteries instead of one then, but it's 
cheaper and doesn't have the issues Paul mentioned.


I don't have any experience with the Tycon webmonitor, but I 
definitely can recommend using a SiteMonitor.


On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 3:52 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

Be aware that the BCMU-360 does the following:



Only sustains at 240w

Only outputs about 45v when running on batteries.  We have started 
using a step up kit to bring it back to 48v+




Paul



From: Af  On Behalf Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2018 4:50 PM
To:af@afmug.com; memb...@wispa.org
Subject: [AFMUG] Traco BCMU360 24 or 48v



Hey guys,



We're looking at fine tuning our DC power solution for sites using 
more than 75w of power.




We're setting in with using the Traco BCMU-360 with a Meanwell 
SDR-240-24 or 48 volts power supply.




If we're using the Traco UPS unit, is there any advantage to using 
24v vs 48v power supply? It will only be powering a Netonix DC 
switch and the BCMU only needs a 12v battery.




Also, we're looking at SiteMonitor to monitor the battery voltage 
and grid power as well. Do you recommend this or the Tycon 
webmonitor (TPDIN)?




Thanks



--

Darin Steffl

Minnesota WiFi

www.mnwifi.com

507-634-WiFi

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--
Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
 Like us on Facebook 

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

[Adam Moffett]

Good question.  Google is all about collecting and monetizing data.

Cloudflare says they're intentionally not collecting data because they 
don't want to be responsible for it.  PR? Brand awareness?




-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/3/2018 11:31:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new DNS


What’s in it for them?

From:Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2018 9:25 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

We seem to be close to both 8.8.8.8 (3ms RTT), and 1.1.1.1 (2ms RTT).

Might be inclined to do a blend.



bp



On 4/3/2018 8:21 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
Well then. I’ll put a few more routers in my network. So they have to 
put equipment in my datacenter. :)


On Apr 3, 2018, at 11:18, Darin Steffl  
wrote:


Cloudflare has posted that their goal is to be within 10ms of every 
ISP in the world. So they're adding their to gear to regional 
datacenter's and peering exchanges, not just major ones.


On Tue, Apr 3, 2018, 10:16 AM Seth Mattinen  
wrote:

On 4/3/18 8:09 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:
> I've seen cloudflare racks and they have a ton of gear and 
reliability
> built in. They also host two of the root dns servers. Their cache 
rate

> will be much higher than our own servers as well.


Oh well I host 6 root servers for redundancy: D, E, F, J, K, and L

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

[Adam Moffett]

I imagine Google somehow monetizes the data they get from use of their 
DNS serviceso if losing DNS "market share" costs them something then 
maybe they will do something like you say.  Pure speculation though.



-- Original Message --
From: "Cassidy B. Larson" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/3/2018 11:28:40 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

Wondering if Google is going to up their game and announce 8.8.8.8 from 
their GGC cache clusters so it’s faster/closer than the 1.1.1.1 
Cloudflare clusters.





On Apr 3, 2018, at 9:25 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:

We seem to be close to both 8.8.8.8 (3ms RTT), and 1.1.1.1 (2ms RTT).

Might be inclined to do a blend.



bp



On 4/3/2018 8:21 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
Well then. I’ll put a few more routers in my network. So they have to 
put equipment in my datacenter. :)


On Apr 3, 2018, at 11:18, Darin Steffl  
wrote:


Cloudflare has posted that their goal is to be within 10ms of every 
ISP in the world. So they're adding their to gear to regional 
datacenter's and peering exchanges, not just major ones.


On Tue, Apr 3, 2018, 10:16 AM Seth Mattinen  
wrote:

On 4/3/18 8:09 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:
> I've seen cloudflare racks and they have a ton of gear and 
reliability
> built in. They also host two of the root dns servers. Their cache 
rate

> will be much higher than our own servers as well.


Oh well I host 6 root servers for redundancy: D, E, F, J, K, and L

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

[Adam Moffett]

It's clearly not hard.  It's obviously not expensive. I'm already doing 
it and have been for years.  But it's more than $0.


I've seen the geolocation issue in the past.  More recently I tried to 
demonstrate it to someone and it turned out that Google DNS and our own 
DNS gave us Netflix content from the same source.


If I used someone else's DNS and that 3rd party went away, then there 
are apparently 10 other "3rd parties" to choose from.  I recognize the 
point that it's a 3rd party and we don't want to rely on 3rd parties: 
But can we honestly say that our DNS servers are more reliable than 
Google or Cloudflare?


I'm not shutting down the DNS servers today, I'm just trying to look 
inward and analyze what we're doing and why.  Are we doing it because it 
actually makes sense or are we doing it because we've always done it and 
we can't imagine another way?




-- Original Message --
From: "Justin Wilson" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/3/2018 8:48:33 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

You have your own DNS for one huge reason. GeoLocation for when it 
comes to Content Networks such as Netflix.  One of the mechanisms they 
employ is using DNS Geolocation to serve you the closest content.  Not 
only do they do a GeLocate on your IP, but some also do a check to make 
sure your DNS servers are coming from the same place as your customers. 
This is especially true if you or one of your upstreams is peered with 
Netflix or someone on an exchange. Otherwise, if you are using Google 
or other DNS you may be in Kansas, and you might be getting content 
from Netflix out of California, when you could be getting it literally 
next door.  Makes the customer experience much better. There are RFCs 
that address this, but if they are implemented is a crapshoot.


Secondly, relying on a 3rd party for such a critical service such as 
DNS can be troublesome.  Would you rely on someone else to provide the 
wireless signal to your customers blindly? If so, then offloading DNS 
is okay for you.  I want more control for such a critical service.


I hear folks worry about the bandwidth DNS takes up.  It’s not a 
concern either way.  If your network can’t support the bandwidth of DNS 
queries then you have deeper issues.


It’s hard.  No it’s not.  Tons of tutorials on Bind for every flavor of 
linux.  Just about any old machine laying around can run DNS.


If anyone wants to know how easy, and how cheap it is to spin up DNS 
(both recursive and authoritative) hit me up.  I will gladly talk with 
you about some strategy.


Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

www.mtin.net
www.midwest-ix.com


On Apr 3, 2018, at 6:34 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

I know there is often debates on here about running any servers, some 
servers, or doing everything in-house (mail, web, DNS etc).  Even if 
you outsource everything I would still run recursive caching DNS …. 
Performance and reliability the main reasons.  Some CDN’s and other 
services determine the path to send you content based on where the DNS 
look up occurs and in our case that’s a significant factor …


We operate our own anycasted DNS …actually two of them.  One set of 
servers for recursive caching and another set for authoritative DNS.


Paul


From: Af  on behalf of "Forrest Christian (List 
Account)" 

Reply-To: 
Date: Tuesday, April 3, 2018 at 4:33 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

Because it's good for your customers, and it should take very little 
time to set one up.


The main reason for this is so that websites serve data from the 
closest server due to the way that DNS anycast works.


And, the biggest one - to have control over a critical piece of 
infrastructure for your customers.  What happens if one of these 
public DNS services go down and you have hundreds of customers 
pointing at it?


On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 11:33 PM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:

Someone remind me again why I have my own recursive DNS.


-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Reynolds" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/2/2018 3:22:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

Yes, bunch of discussions over the past few days on NANOG and some 
of the vendor mailing lists.


On Mon, Apr 2, 2018, 2:21 PM Travis Johnson  wrote:

https://gizmodo.com/how-to-speed-up-your-internet-and-protect-your-privacy-1824256587

Faster and more private than Google or others. :)

Travis





--
Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com 
<http://www.packetflux.com/>

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

[Adam Moffett]

Someone remind me again why I have my own recursive DNS.


-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Reynolds" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/2/2018 3:22:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

Yes, bunch of discussions over the past few days on NANOG and some of 
the vendor mailing lists.


On Mon, Apr 2, 2018, 2:21 PM Travis Johnson  wrote:

https://gizmodo.com/how-to-speed-up-your-internet-and-protect-your-privacy-1824256587

Faster and more private than Google or others. :)

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN base registration

[Adam Moffett]

The problem is that it was impractical to register every subscriber 
location.  I registered 60 locations one night and it took me several 
hours.  There was no way I was going to invest that much labor into 
registrations.  They needed both a bulk registration method and to make 
their registration page respond faster.



That said, I have had coordination conversations with another 
registrant.  It was friendly, but it was only marginally productive.  We 
were not able to agree on TDD ratios or a plan for dividing the 
available 50mhz, so basically we kept doing our own thing and resolving 
interference cases individually as they came up.  It sounds like some of 
you have bad neighbors.




-- Original Message --
From: "Mathew Howard" 
To: "af" 
Sent: 3/31/2018 9:48:52 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN base registration

From what I've seen, most people are just registering every radio for 
the entire 50mhz, so it's not like you can use the information in the 
database to actually coordinate anything (and I think that really is 
the best option in the current climate, since there's a good chance 
your going to have to change channels at some point because of 
newcomers to the area)... then there are also the people that never 
bother to register anything, or register a few radios and then give up 
because it's too much work...


I'm aware of at least four other companies in our general area that 
have AP/base stations registered, but last I checked only one of them 
had any customer locations registered... for some reason, a lot of 
people seem to be under the Impression that you only need to register 
the AP (or eNB, in LTE speak), but that's not the case and never was - 
everything is supposed to be registered (there is an exception for 
mobile devices, but that doesn't apply to anything a WISP would be 
using).


On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 6:05 PM, David Coudron 
 wrote:
You need to register the stations, but there is no requirement to 
coordinate.   However, depending on how many folks are in your area it 
still might be a good idea to make sure they are up to date on all 
their registrations.   Sometimes we find folks don’t always update 
their information on the FCC site and you can still run into 
interference.   If there are too many folks in the area, it is easier 
to find open channels and then register.






David Coudron







From: Af  On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 1:57 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN base registration



I have a NN license but have never used it, what is the best 
practice/process for registering a base when you have other operators 
with bases registered nearby? Do you need to coordinate anything?




I'm looking at deploying in a small town but 2-3 other operators have 
bases already registered in the area, can I still deploy? Obviously 
need to do a SA before anything




Thanks,



TJ

Re: [AFMUG] Internet is no a right.. f the ot

[Adam Moffett]

I may be required to participate in the Lifeline program soon, so I'm 
freshly read up on the topic.  The headline illustrates the author's 
ignorance.


Lifeline was created in the 80's to offset the cost of phone service 
(offset, not free) for lower income people.  It was expanded at some 
point to include cell phones (also known as "Obamaphone" in right wing 
media).  In 2016 it was modified again to include broadband internet.
The subsidy is $9.25/month per household.  A cell phone is the only case 
where you might get free service, and it will be a pre-paid plan with 
hard usage limits.


If Lifeline for broadband goes away nobody is losing broadband, they 
just might have to pay an extra $9.25.  For us I thought it would be a 
huge waste of time.  If I'm in a low income household and we're allowed 
ONE subsidy per household, would we use it to get a free cell phone or 
to get a marginal discount on fixed Internet access?  I'm betting 
they'll pick the free cell phone every time.  I think they should poop 
or get off the pot, i.e.: Make the subsidy for broadband $30/month which 
will actually help poor people pay for real broadband access, or just 
stop wasting everybody's time on the paperwork.


-Adam



-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/30/2018 11:59:56 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Internet is no a right.. f the ot


https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/03/please-dont-take-broadband-away-from-poor-people-democrats-tell-fcc-chair/

You want pornhub, fucking pay for it. You die without water, you get 
blueballs without jerking off.

Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum fiber demarc move

[Adam Moffett]

You should add an "lol" or a smiley face or something so that readers 
know you're joking.



-- Original Message --
From: "Chris Fabien" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/30/2018 12:55:43 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum fiber demarc move

No, you say it's always been installed here, your records must be 
wrong, now get to fixing it, SLA clock is ticking


On Fri, Mar 30, 2018, 10:44 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
 wrote:
I probably could that would be interesting if i called tech support 
and said i tried moving the fiber now it dont work.


On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 5:17 PM, Chris Fabien  
wrote:

Can you just move it yourself? We have done that before.

On Sun, Mar 25, 2018, 3:41 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
 wrote:
Has anyone had to move their demarc locaiton in a building for the 
spectrum/time warner fiber service and what was the process like? 
Did they charge you for the move of the demarc spot? How much of a 
PITA was it to move it?

Re: [AFMUG] Cable protector for Steve

[Adam Moffett]

I didn't realize there was a special tool for this purpose.

-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck Hogg" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/30/2018 9:07:19 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cable protector for Steve


Yep, that's what we have...

Regards,
Chuck

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 2:43 PM, Carl Peterson 
 wrote:
Get the right tool.  https://www.condux.com/product.php?id=202 
<https://www.condux.com/product.php?id=202>



On Mar 30, 2018, at 2:35 PM, Steve Jones  
wrote:



i broke one of those on too heavy of steel


On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 10:45 AM,  wrote:

Start at the end and just munch your way down the side.

-Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 9:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cable protector for Steve

Never used one.
How well could you cut a straight slot through the pipe with that?


-- Original Message --
From: "Bill Prince" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/30/2018 11:29:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cable protector for Steve


I like this one.

https://www.grainger.com/product/INGERSOLL-RAND-General-Duty-Air-Nibbler-5MRY1 
<https://www.grainger.com/product/INGERSOLL-RAND-General-Duty-Air-Nibbler-5MRY1>


bp


On 3/30/2018 8:19 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
https://www.amazon.com/Premium-Life-360-022-Nickel-Nibbling/dp/B0002KRACO/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1522423141&sr=8-6&keywords=sheet+metal+nibbler 
<https://www.amazon.com/Premium-Life-360-022-Nickel-Nibbling/dp/B0002KRACO/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1522423141&sr=8-6&keywords=sheet+metal+nibbler>


-Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 9:09 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cable protector for Steve

Ok. What is a "nibbler"?

Chuck Hogg wrote:

You should use a nibbler...

Regards,
Chuck

On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 11:12 PM, Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>> wrote:


i took over the installers van while hes got broken bones, i 
have

it pretty "organized"
but the other day i had to do 7 ubnt with reflectors to epmp
swaps, how does one organize that volume of dishes?


On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 10:03 PM, Adam Moffett
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

No trick.  I just tuck them inside somewhere.

I wish I had pics of my brother's Time Warner Cable van.  
He

was impressively well organized.


-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones" <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>>

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 3/28/2018 10:44:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cable protector for Steve

i have a pipe on the top of the van that holds 10 foot 
sticks
so some PVC conduit would work. On that note, any trick 
on
keeping 8 or 6 foot sticks as you cut them down in the 
pipe
on top of the van without the other pipes pushing them 
up?


On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 9:19 PM, Adam Moffett
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:


I tripped over these pics when looking for the fiber
demarc pic.

Steve had asked last week about protecting cable 
from
dogs. I do this for weed trimmers, but a longer 
piece

ought to limit canine access as well.

I cut the slot in the conduit so I can slip it over 
an
already installed cable.  I did that one on the 
bumper
with an angle grinder, but a table saw might be 
safer.









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Re: [AFMUG] Cable protector for Steve

[Adam Moffett]

Never used one.
How well could you cut a straight slot through the pipe with that?


-- Original Message --
From: "Bill Prince" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/30/2018 11:29:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cable protector for Steve


I like this one.

https://www.grainger.com/product/INGERSOLL-RAND-General-Duty-Air-Nibbler-5MRY1

bp


On 3/30/2018 8:19 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

https://www.amazon.com/Premium-Life-360-022-Nickel-Nibbling/dp/B0002KRACO/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1522423141&sr=8-6&keywords=sheet+metal+nibbler

-Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 9:09 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cable protector for Steve

Ok. What is a "nibbler"?

Chuck Hogg wrote:

You should use a nibbler...

Regards,
Chuck

On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 11:12 PM, Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:


i took over the installers van while hes got broken bones, i have
it pretty "organized"
but the other day i had to do 7 ubnt with reflectors to epmp
swaps, how does one organize that volume of dishes?


On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 10:03 PM, Adam Moffett
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

No trick.  I just tuck them inside somewhere.

I wish I had pics of my brother's Time Warner Cable van.  He
was impressively well organized.


-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones" mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 3/28/2018 10:44:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cable protector for Steve

i have a pipe on the top of the van that holds 10 foot 
sticks

so some PVC conduit would work. On that note, any trick on
keeping 8 or 6 foot sticks as you cut them down in the pipe
on top of the van without the other pipes pushing them up?

On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 9:19 PM, Adam Moffett
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I tripped over these pics when looking for the fiber
demarc pic.

Steve had asked last week about protecting cable from
dogs. I do this for weed trimmers, but a longer piece
ought to limit canine access as well.

I cut the slot in the conduit so I can slip it over an
already installed cable.  I did that one on the bumper
with an angle grinder, but a table saw might be safer.








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Re: [AFMUG] A Stupid coax question

[Adam Moffett]

There's a cable operator I know of who is using RFoG.  There's 
apparently an RFoG ONU they install in/on the house, and then they use 
the same cable modems and STB's they use with their coax service.


I imagine it would only make sense if you're wanting to re-use an 
existing cable head end, but I haven't looked into it deeply.



-- Original Message --
From: "Jon Lee" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/29/2018 11:28:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] A Stupid coax question

It would make it even easier for me when people come over from Hughes 
Net. Right now I just use their coax as a cable pull.


Jon Lee
Off-Grid Networks

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 2:37 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
Like i said, it was a stupid idea.  I'm all on board the fiber train, 
but having had some rodent just eat through the fiber cable going to 
the top (on the tower side of the service loop), I was longing for 
something that I could just patch back together.



On 3/29/2018 1:48 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
For once I agree with Mike, lol, I think Teletronics had a coax to 
Ethernet cabling solution catered to hotels and hospitals.   Long 
ago.


Jaime Solorza

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018, 11:37 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:
If we're changing methods, we should be going to glass and power up 
the tower and not use anything conductive for data.




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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 


Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 


The Brothers WISP 





From: "Nate Burke" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 10:47:37 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] A Stupid coax question

Comcast has been deploying their WIFI hotspot network like mad in 
the
Chicago metro.  Every public park, gas station, strip mall, hotel, 
and

train station seems to have a wifi AP hung outside of it now.  These
units just hang on their aerial coax cable, and get their power and 
data
just off a single RG-6 coax run off the nearest splitter.  Drawing 
the

power off the DC Coax plant.  Here's a picture of a typical
installation.
http://comcastsupport.i.lithium.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/22608i79AFB9E182CD549C?v=1.0 



So this got me thinking again, as I have for several years, why are 
we

still using POE to run PMP Equipment on towers.  It seems from a
installation, RF Shielding, and grounding/suppression perspective, 
using
coax would be the far better choice.  Anyone can be taught to 
terminate
a perfect RG6 in <5 minutes.  No Colors to remember. Any couplers 
are

inherently waterproof.  No loose plugs or broken clips.  Cheap cheap
cheap outdoor cable.  Shielded cables by default.  It just seems 
that
there are a lot of benefits for the low power draw radios.  
Obviously a
licensed link can't pull enough power over an RG6, but EPMP or 450 
or
UBNT PMP radios I would think could run just fine.  Instead of 
having to
deal with switching equipment or breakout boxes at the top of a 
tower,
just run up a larger coax to a splitter.  No outdoor enclosure 
needed.


Is it simply a lack of products that would make development costs 
too
much, or is there another technical aspect I'm missing.  Docsis 
version
3.1 Full Duplex, which is currently in development will do 10gb 
sync,
Docsis 3.1 is 10gb/1gb.  More than enough for any of our AP Clusters 
for
at least a few years. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOCSIS#Comparison 

It seems like UBNT or Cambium (heck Motorola already had all the 
coax
products built) could easily make a 10gb Fiber to Coax adapter for 
the
tower base. Feed it with Fiber and DC, then just keep adding 
splitters

and radios until you run out of power budget.

It just seems like I've never heard it discussed, and I'm not sure 
why.

Obviously there is something I'm missing.  Docsis is a standard, but
maybe there's no standard for the power delivery on the coax?  So 
vendor

Inter-op prohibits development dollars from being spent on it.

Nate







--
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Off-Grid Networks
c.928.793.2972

Re: [AFMUG] 2.5G Base-T

[Adam Moffett]

It's relatively new.  You can do 2.5G at 100m on Cat5e.  Get more life 
out of existing cables.



-- Original Message --
From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
To: "af" 
Sent: 3/29/2018 4:22:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2.5G Base-T

I didn't even realize this was a thing.  Thought everything was going 
fiber above 1Gb/s


This is a definite  maybe?

Are there switches out there with this in the wild for testing?

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 7:19 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
Chuck and Forrest, do your products work with 2.5G Base-T that's 
getting more popular on ac\ad chipsets?




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Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

[Adam Moffett]

Dubois Pennsylvania = Dew-Boys.  If you use the French pronunciation 
they'll correct you.
Beethoven Street in Binghamton, NY = Beet`-uh-ven.  Apparently not a 
German composer.




-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/29/2018 1:56:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus


How about Hurricane, Utah.

Her-a-kin

-Original Message- From: Layne Sisk
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 11:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

I have 2 of them from Utah.

Juab-  in Utah it is Jew-ab
Tooele- in Utah it is To-ill-a

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102






-Original Message-
From: Af  On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 12:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

It's a real town in Alabama by the way.

Jay Weekley wrote:

Anyone want to guess how you pronounce Ewtah?

CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

Arab
Mobile
just to name a few...

   - Original Message -
   *From:* Josh Luthman 
   *To:* af@afmug.com 
   *Sent:* Monday, March 26, 2018 9:17 AM
   *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

   Here in Ohio it's very easy to know you're not from this neck of
   the woods (probably western third of the state)...

   It's Russia, not Russia.
   It's Piqua, not Piqua.
   It's Houston, not Houston.
   It's Rio Grande, not Rio Grande.


   Josh Luthman
   Office: 937-552-2340
   Direct: 937-552-2343
   1100 Wayne St
   Suite 1337
   Troy, OH 45373

   On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 5:33 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller
   mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
wrote:

   I would certainly disagree with that.  If someone does not
   know how to pronounce our community names it would 100% tick
   me off and clue me into knowing whomever I'm talking to is not
   here...

   - Original Message -
   *From:* Lewis Bergman 
   *To:* af@afmug.com 
   *Sent:* Sunday, March 25, 2018 5:32 AM
   *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

   I would say that if you want local pronunciations of words
   you should run your open tech support.

   I don't think most people care. They are normally happy
   just to have someone speak English that they can
   understand. Until you get about 8000 subs I doubt you can
   do it anywhere close to the cost that Lane can.

   On Tue, Mar 20, 2018, 3:42 PM Josh Reynolds
   mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> 
wrote:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyJXDdlD4jQ


   "IN-DE GO" :)

   On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 7:45 AM, Matt Hoppes
   mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:

   It’s In Di Go. Like the color. Not In Dee Go. Like
   a butchered version of the six fingered man.

   On Mar 14, 2018, at 04:27, Josh Reynolds
   mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:


   That's how it's pronounced...

   Maybe a regional thing?

   On Mar 11, 2018 2:02 PM, "Matt Hoppes"
   mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:

   GTC does this too. I don’t know why it’s so
   hard.

   The company I used to work for was “Indigo
   Wireless”. They always say In Dee Go.

   On Mar 11, 2018, at 14:50, Sterling Jacobson
   mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:


   They are working well for us, and I have a
   horrible generic support DT, lol!

   I have had zero complaints from my customers
   so far this year, so I think they are doing
   well.

   The only feedback I’ve had is customers hear
   our company name pronounced five different
   ways, even though the DT instructs the
   proper pronunciation.

   But it’s a made-up name so my customer are
   always confused on pronunciation themselves.

   *From:* Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of
*ch...@wbmfg.com 
   *Sent:* Saturday, March 10, 2018 11:25 AM
   *To:* af@afmug.com 
   *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

   I would add that Layne’s service is only as
   good as the decision tree that you provide
   to him.  The more detailed DT, the better
   the service will be.

   *From:*Layne Sisk

   *Sent:*Saturday, March 10, 2018 10:48 AM

 

Re: [AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber

[Adam Moffett]

Corning would never give you a bad sandwich.

-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/29/2018 9:54:55 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber


I went to a unicam training session, they had good sandwiches

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018, 7:31 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
We have been using the FS armored jumpers.  Cheap and work well.  
Outer jacket is supposed to be UV resistant but we usually try to get 
that in the house from the enclosure rather than having it in the sun.


https://www.fs.com/products/41653.html

You can order them in any length you like.

Mark


On Mar 29, 2018, at 12:28 AM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:


This looks nice enough, I just would prefer to have my splice 
outdoors for testing/troubleshooting purposes.


Also, FWIW, I'm using the RB260GS units in outdoor boxes and have had 
very few failures.


On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 9:16 PM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:
I think to terminate the drop cable you'd have to build up your 
250um or 900um with tubing, then use the connector for a 3mm 
jacketed cable.

.but maybe there's a better way that I don't know about.

What I've been doing is putting a cheap splice box inside the house 
and splicing the drop to a patch cord.  I'm open to better ideas.
I have wavered on putting an ONT outdoors.  I'd be limited to units 
that can survive the cold as opposed to a cheap switch or router.


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-- Original Message --
From: "Jason McKemie" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/28/2018 7:16:17 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber

Flat drop termination for $15?  That could be useful, any part 
numbers?


I'd probably just run it through the wall and mount the ONT to a 
floor joist when possible.


On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 6:14 PM,  wrote:
Not only that, you can field terminate the drop with a unicam for 
about $15

So no $45 jumper.

From:ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 5:11 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber

I just hate indoor ONTs.  People do not respect the fiber.  It 
gets cut and mangled etc.
I guess if  you are nailing the ONT on the wall somewhere, but if 
it is similar to a modem on someone’s desk you are asking for 
trouble.


From:Craig Schmaderer
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 4:19 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber

Clearfield flexible fieldshield patch cables with removable end. 
Run from outside splice box to inside ont. Almost always use the 
25 footers. Expensive.  $45. I have yet found a better solution 
that doesn’t involve more labor.



From: Af  on behalf of Jason McKemie 


Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 4:10:56 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber

Currently I just run a flat drop fiber to an enclosure on the side 
of the building, then cat5 inside.


Those of you doing indoor ONTs, what are you using for fiber from 
the outdoor splice closure to the ONT?  It would need to be UV 
rated and probably armored since I would prefer to not have to run 
conduit from the splice closure through the exterior wall.


Thanks.

Jason

Re: [AFMUG] Cable protector for Steve

[Adam Moffett]

No trick.  I just tuck them inside somewhere.

I wish I had pics of my brother's Time Warner Cable van.  He was 
impressively well organized.



-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/28/2018 10:44:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cable protector for Steve

i have a pipe on the top of the van that holds 10 foot sticks so some 
PVC conduit would work. On that note, any trick on keeping 8 or 6 foot 
sticks as you cut them down in the pipe on top of the van without the 
other pipes pushing them up?


On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 9:19 PM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:

I tripped over these pics when looking for the fiber demarc pic.

Steve had asked last week about protecting cable from dogs. I do this 
for weed trimmers, but a longer piece ought to limit canine access as 
well.


I cut the slot in the conduit so I can slip it over an already 
installed cable.  I did that one on the bumper with an angle grinder, 
but a table saw might be safer.









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[AFMUG] Cable protector for Steve

[Adam Moffett]

I tripped over these pics when looking for the fiber demarc pic.

Steve had asked last week about protecting cable from dogs. I do this 
for weed trimmers, but a longer piece ought to limit canine access as 
well.


I cut the slot in the conduit so I can slip it over an already installed 
cable.  I did that one on the bumper with an angle grinder, but a table 
saw might be safer.





Sent from my iPhone