Re: [AFMUG] Stolen credit card info
In all honesty I have my suspicions of which one it was, but felt I’d let people know here. I’m not too concerned as most banks catch this pretty fast just as mine did. The only one I don’t think has anyone on this list has been notified separately. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Apr 4, 2018, at 1:26 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > This may be a glib/ignorant answer/opinion but I would point the finger that > the smaller companies first. > Have you notified these companies? > > -Original Message- From: Brett A Mansfield > Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2018 1:24 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: [AFMUG] Stolen credit card info > > This is just an FYI and should not reflect poorly on the companies mentioned. > All or even none of them may have been the cause. I’m sending this out just > so people pay extra attention to their accounts and so the companies listed > can verify their security. > > I have an account/card I use ONLY for purchasing equipment. This card is only > two months old and has just been used by someone in the Czech Republic. > > The ONLY places I’ve ever used this card at are the following websites: > > Streakwave.com > Doubleradius.com > Balticnetworks.com > Flytechconputers.com > EnduranceHardware.com > Amazon.com > > All were used within the past two weeks. The fraudulent charges happened > today. I encourage all to check their accounts and website security/virus > protection. > > > Thank you, > Brett A Mansfield >
[AFMUG] Stolen credit card info
This is just an FYI and should not reflect poorly on the companies mentioned. All or even none of them may have been the cause. I’m sending this out just so people pay extra attention to their accounts and so the companies listed can verify their security. I have an account/card I use ONLY for purchasing equipment. This card is only two months old and has just been used by someone in the Czech Republic. The ONLY places I’ve ever used this card at are the following websites: Streakwave.com Doubleradius.com Balticnetworks.com Flytechconputers.com EnduranceHardware.com Amazon.com All were used within the past two weeks. The fraudulent charges happened today. I encourage all to check their accounts and website security/virus protection. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield
Re: [AFMUG] 2.5G Base-T
I heard rumor that the next revision of Netonix switches will be standard 2.5 on all ports. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Mar 29, 2018, at 2:30 PM, Seth Mattinen <se...@rollernet.us> wrote: > >> On 3/29/18 1:22 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: >> I didn't even realize this was a thing. Thought everything was going fiber >> above 1Gb/s > > > 2.5GBASE-T ports exist on IgniteNet gear, at least. I haven't seen any > switches in the wild yet.
Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases
I’ve been wondering the same thing. I need one that will service only two homes, and it just so expensive per sub. I want something around the $50 price point that has access for two subs but has room for at least 72 strand. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Mar 11, 2018, at 4:26 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > Is there any FS type lower cost splice cases out in the world yet? > > I say FS type because everything Fiber Store does is 20% the cost of everyone > else. > > Hoping for something lower cost. Not really an area you want to cut corners > on, but they sure are expensive. Say you feed 144 strands in and out of a > typical splice case that has a port that will take 6 drops. You will be > paying $120-$240 for something like that. $20 to $40 per drop just for the > splice case. > Add in an equal amount for the hand hole, you could be in $80 per customer > before electronics just to make the splice.
[AFMUG] Net neutrality
Anyone else see this yet? https://www.ksl.com/?sid=46274530 Thank you, Brett A Mansfield
Re: [AFMUG] COW trailer - looking to rent or buy
Like! Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Mar 3, 2018, at 12:31 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> wrote: > > Riders of Rohan UNITE! > > From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield > Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 11:42 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COW trailer - looking to rent or buy > > Stupid autocorrect. > > Thank you, > Brett A Mansfield > > On Mar 2, 2018, at 9:04 PM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote: > > What's a Rohan style one?? > > On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 5:29 PM, Brett A Mansfield > <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote: > They’re custom. I can make them as tall as you’d like. Freestanding monopole > style or Rohan style. Generator or solar powered. Etc > > Thank you, > Brett A Mansfield > > On Mar 2, 2018, at 2:26 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Brett, > > You make the COWS? How tall? > > On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 1:17 PM, Brett A Mansfield > <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote: > I recently started a company with my brother where we make these custom for > the same or less than the average cookie cutter ones. Let me know if you want > to buy a custom one. We have one to fit every budget and it only takes 2 > weeks to manufacture and deliver. > > Thank you, > Brett A Mansfield > > On Mar 2, 2018, at 10:13 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I am pretty sure that it was Bill MacNamara that had a bunch of them from an > acquisition in Texas. > > On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:15 PM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote: > someone was selling like 40 new ones they were surplus on WISPA list I think > about 6 months ago... > > On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 12:36 PM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> > wrote: > > > > > Gino A. Villarini > > President > Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 > > > > > >
Re: [AFMUG] COW trailer - looking to rent or buy
Stupid autocorrect. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Mar 2, 2018, at 9:04 PM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote: > > What's a Rohan style one?? > >> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 5:29 PM, Brett A Mansfield >> <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote: >> They’re custom. I can make them as tall as you’d like. Freestanding monopole >> style or Rohan style. Generator or solar powered. Etc >> >> Thank you, >> Brett A Mansfield >> >>> On Mar 2, 2018, at 2:26 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Brett, >>> >>> You make the COWS? How tall? >>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 1:17 PM, Brett A Mansfield >>>> <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote: >>>> I recently started a company with my brother where we make these custom >>>> for the same or less than the average cookie cutter ones. Let me know if >>>> you want to buy a custom one. We have one to fit every budget and it only >>>> takes 2 weeks to manufacture and deliver. >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> Brett A Mansfield >>>> >>>>> On Mar 2, 2018, at 10:13 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I am pretty sure that it was Bill MacNamara that had a bunch of them from >>>>> an acquisition in Texas. >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:15 PM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> someone was selling like 40 new ones they were surplus on WISPA list I >>>>>> think about 6 months ago... >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 12:36 PM, Gino A. Villarini >>>>>>> <g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gino A. Villarini >>>>>>> >>>>>>> President >>>>>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >
Re: [AFMUG] COW trailer - looking to rent or buy
That’s odd. Nobody’s ever reported that issue before. I modified the spf record. Try it again. If it doesn’t work you can also email me at br...@sliutah.com. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Mar 2, 2018, at 9:33 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I tried: > > " SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT > TO:<br...@silverlakeinternet.com>: > 550 5.7.23 Sender's SPF Policy Failure" > >> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 7:10 PM, Brett A Mansfield >> <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote: >> Hahaha, that was good. >> >> Anyone that would like a quote please send me an email to >> br...@silverlakeinternet.com. >> >> We use the best quality materials, and we manufacture to any spec desired. >> >> Thank you, >> Brett A Mansfield >> >>> On Mar 2, 2018, at 4:54 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>> >>> "Quote me" - Gino A. Villarini >>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>> >>> The Brothers WISP >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: "Gino A. Villarini" <g...@aeronetpr.com> >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 4:16:13 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COW trailer - looking to rent or buy >>> >>> Quote me >>> >>> Gino A. Villarini >>> @gvillarini >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Gino A. Villarini >>> >>> President >>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 >>> >>> >>> On Mar 2, 2018, at 2:18 PM, Brett A Mansfield >>> <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote: >>> >>> I recently started a company with my brother where we make these custom for >>> the same or less than the average cookie cutter ones. Let me know if you >>> want to buy a custom one. We have one to fit every budget and it only takes >>> 2 weeks to manufacture and deliver. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> Brett A Mansfield >>> >>> On Mar 2, 2018, at 10:13 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I am pretty sure that it was Bill MacNamara that had a bunch of them from >>> an acquisition in Texas. >>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:15 PM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote: >>> >>>> someone was selling like 40 new ones they were surplus on WISPA list I >>>> think about 6 months ago... >>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 12:36 PM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Gino A. Villarini >>>>> >>>>> President >>>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >
Re: [AFMUG] COW trailer - looking to rent or buy
Hahaha, that was good. Anyone that would like a quote please send me an email to br...@silverlakeinternet.com. We use the best quality materials, and we manufacture to any spec desired. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Mar 2, 2018, at 4:54 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > "Quote me" - Gino A. Villarini > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > > From: "Gino A. Villarini" <g...@aeronetpr.com> > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 4:16:13 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COW trailer - looking to rent or buy > > Quote me > > Gino A. Villarini > @gvillarini > > > > > > Gino A. Villarini > > President > Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 > > > On Mar 2, 2018, at 2:18 PM, Brett A Mansfield <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> > wrote: > > I recently started a company with my brother where we make these custom for > the same or less than the average cookie cutter ones. Let me know if you want > to buy a custom one. We have one to fit every budget and it only takes 2 > weeks to manufacture and deliver. > > Thank you, > Brett A Mansfield > > On Mar 2, 2018, at 10:13 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I am pretty sure that it was Bill MacNamara that had a bunch of them from an > acquisition in Texas. > >> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:15 PM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote: >> someone was selling like 40 new ones they were surplus on WISPA list I think >> about 6 months ago... >> >>> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 12:36 PM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Gino A. Villarini >>> >>> President >>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 >>> >>> >> > >
Re: [AFMUG] COW trailer - looking to rent or buy
They’re custom. I can make them as tall as you’d like. Freestanding monopole style or Rohan style. Generator or solar powered. Etc Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Mar 2, 2018, at 2:26 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Brett, > > You make the COWS? How tall? > >> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 1:17 PM, Brett A Mansfield >> <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote: >> I recently started a company with my brother where we make these custom for >> the same or less than the average cookie cutter ones. Let me know if you >> want to buy a custom one. We have one to fit every budget and it only takes >> 2 weeks to manufacture and deliver. >> >> Thank you, >> Brett A Mansfield >> >>> On Mar 2, 2018, at 10:13 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I am pretty sure that it was Bill MacNamara that had a bunch of them from >>> an acquisition in Texas. >>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:15 PM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote: >>> >>>> someone was selling like 40 new ones they were surplus on WISPA list I >>>> think about 6 months ago... >>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 12:36 PM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Gino A. Villarini >>>>> >>>>> President >>>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >
Re: [AFMUG] COW trailer - looking to rent or buy
I recently started a company with my brother where we make these custom for the same or less than the average cookie cutter ones. Let me know if you want to buy a custom one. We have one to fit every budget and it only takes 2 weeks to manufacture and deliver. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Mar 2, 2018, at 10:13 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I am pretty sure that it was Bill MacNamara that had a bunch of them from an > acquisition in Texas. > >> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:15 PM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote: >> someone was selling like 40 new ones they were surplus on WISPA list I think >> about 6 months ago... >> >>> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 12:36 PM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Gino A. Villarini >>> >>> President >>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 >>> >>> >> >
Re: [AFMUG] CCS 60ghz PTMP AP and Sub pic from MWC -
Wow, I want these. Are they available yet? Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Mar 1, 2018, at 11:19 PM, Jason McKemie <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> > wrote: > > http://www.ccsl.com/media/uploads/files/metnet60ghz-product-specification-v4.pdf > >> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 11:03 PM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote: >> Siklu? Link to PDF? Nothing published yet? >> >>> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> >>> wrote: >>> Thanks to Andreas for the pic >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Gino A. Villarini >>> >>> President >>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 >>> >>> >> >
Re: [AFMUG] Blocked by the major streaming providers after getting new subnet
Sorry, SWiP, not sail. And I really appreciate everyone that has given feedback on this issue. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Nov 8, 2017, at 5:20 PM, Brett A Mansfield <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> > wrote: > > To who? > > The block is advertised via BGP on our end, so why would they need to sail it > to me? It’s a reassign from the company. > > Thank you, > Brett A Mansfield > >> On Nov 8, 2017, at 5:16 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Until the ARIN WHOIS for your block shows proper data for your ISP and >> location in Utah, such as via SWIP, you will not have much luck with getting >> unblocked. May also need to provide a copy of the LOA for the block. >> >>> On Nov 8, 2017 10:27 AM, "Brett A Mansfield" <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> >>> wrote: >>> This is leased /24. It’s BGP to me. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> Brett A Mansfield >>> >>>> On Nov 8, 2017, at 11:18 AM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> If you're "renting" from logicweb, which is a large and known >>>> colocation/hosting/virtual server ISP, I don't know how successful you >>>> will be in getting removed from the blacklists. You can get a "new" /24 to >>>> /20 sized chunk of space removed from blacklists if it's registered to you >>>> in ARIN WHOIS, but not if it looks like a block of space that's directly >>>> adjacent to a bunch of dedicated servers in colo. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Brett A Mansfield >>>>> <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote: >>>>> LogicWeb basically told they’ll get me a different subnet, otherwise I >>>>> basically have to figure it out on my own. They did offer to reach out to >>>>> these companies if I could get them the direct contact details. >>>>> >>>>> Before I deploy my second subnet I’m going to make sure they are >>>>> whitelisted first. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you, >>>>> Brett A Mansfield >>>>> >>>>> > On Nov 8, 2017, at 11:09 AM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > Vudu is the worst. >>>>> > >>>>> > Again, see if the renting company will help you deal with it. >>>>> > >>>>> > But essentially you have to just call support on each one and get >>>>> > through to someone that knows WTH is going on. >>>>> > >>>>> > And, have customers contact support and explain that they don't live in >>>>> > a different country and are not on a VPN. >>>>> > That helps a lot too, both parties can hit it at the same time. >>>>> > >>>>> > Eventually what happens is they take the /24 or whatever and whitelist >>>>> > it in their database. >>>>> > >>>>> > Also, a lot of the CDNs use a service themselves for blacklist and if >>>>> > you fix it with that service, it fixes it for a large number of them >>>>> > simultaneously. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > -Original Message- >>>>> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield >>>>> > Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 10:35 AM >>>>> > To: af@afmug.com >>>>> > Subject: [AFMUG] Blocked by the major streaming providers after getting >>>>> > new subnet >>>>> > >>>>> > Anyone have contacts at Hulu, Vudu, Netflix or any of the other major >>>>> > streaming providers? >>>>> > >>>>> > I just leased a new subnet and it is being blocked by their servers for >>>>> > “proxy”. There are no proxies on my network. >>>>> > >>>>> > I dealt with this a while back, but now it is happening again. >>>>> > >>>>> > Thank you, >>>>> > Brett A Mansfield >>>>
Re: [AFMUG] Blocked by the major streaming providers after getting new subnet
To who? The block is advertised via BGP on our end, so why would they need to sail it to me? It’s a reassign from the company. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Nov 8, 2017, at 5:16 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Until the ARIN WHOIS for your block shows proper data for your ISP and > location in Utah, such as via SWIP, you will not have much luck with getting > unblocked. May also need to provide a copy of the LOA for the block. > >> On Nov 8, 2017 10:27 AM, "Brett A Mansfield" <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> >> wrote: >> This is leased /24. It’s BGP to me. >> >> Thank you, >> Brett A Mansfield >> >>> On Nov 8, 2017, at 11:18 AM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> If you're "renting" from logicweb, which is a large and known >>> colocation/hosting/virtual server ISP, I don't know how successful you will >>> be in getting removed from the blacklists. You can get a "new" /24 to /20 >>> sized chunk of space removed from blacklists if it's registered to you in >>> ARIN WHOIS, but not if it looks like a block of space that's directly >>> adjacent to a bunch of dedicated servers in colo. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Brett A Mansfield >>>> <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote: >>>> LogicWeb basically told they’ll get me a different subnet, otherwise I >>>> basically have to figure it out on my own. They did offer to reach out to >>>> these companies if I could get them the direct contact details. >>>> >>>> Before I deploy my second subnet I’m going to make sure they are >>>> whitelisted first. >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> Brett A Mansfield >>>> >>>> > On Nov 8, 2017, at 11:09 AM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> >>>> > wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Vudu is the worst. >>>> > >>>> > Again, see if the renting company will help you deal with it. >>>> > >>>> > But essentially you have to just call support on each one and get >>>> > through to someone that knows WTH is going on. >>>> > >>>> > And, have customers contact support and explain that they don't live in >>>> > a different country and are not on a VPN. >>>> > That helps a lot too, both parties can hit it at the same time. >>>> > >>>> > Eventually what happens is they take the /24 or whatever and whitelist >>>> > it in their database. >>>> > >>>> > Also, a lot of the CDNs use a service themselves for blacklist and if >>>> > you fix it with that service, it fixes it for a large number of them >>>> > simultaneously. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -Original Message- >>>> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield >>>> > Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 10:35 AM >>>> > To: af@afmug.com >>>> > Subject: [AFMUG] Blocked by the major streaming providers after getting >>>> > new subnet >>>> > >>>> > Anyone have contacts at Hulu, Vudu, Netflix or any of the other major >>>> > streaming providers? >>>> > >>>> > I just leased a new subnet and it is being blocked by their servers for >>>> > “proxy”. There are no proxies on my network. >>>> > >>>> > I dealt with this a while back, but now it is happening again. >>>> > >>>> > Thank you, >>>> > Brett A Mansfield >>>
Re: [AFMUG] Blocked by the major streaming providers after getting new subnet
Any idea how to know which CDN to go to? It would be great if there were a website I could go to in order to check IPs for this kind of block, similar to the ones for email spam blockers. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Nov 8, 2017, at 11:09 AM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> wrote: > > Vudu is the worst. > > Again, see if the renting company will help you deal with it. > > But essentially you have to just call support on each one and get through to > someone that knows WTH is going on. > > And, have customers contact support and explain that they don't live in a > different country and are not on a VPN. > That helps a lot too, both parties can hit it at the same time. > > Eventually what happens is they take the /24 or whatever and whitelist it in > their database. > > Also, a lot of the CDNs use a service themselves for blacklist and if you fix > it with that service, it fixes it for a large number of them simultaneously. > > > -Original Message- > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield > Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 10:35 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: [AFMUG] Blocked by the major streaming providers after getting new > subnet > > Anyone have contacts at Hulu, Vudu, Netflix or any of the other major > streaming providers? > > I just leased a new subnet and it is being blocked by their servers for > “proxy”. There are no proxies on my network. > > I dealt with this a while back, but now it is happening again. > > Thank you, > Brett A Mansfield
Re: [AFMUG] Blocked by the major streaming providers after getting new subnet
This is leased /24. It’s BGP to me. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Nov 8, 2017, at 11:18 AM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > If you're "renting" from logicweb, which is a large and known > colocation/hosting/virtual server ISP, I don't know how successful you will > be in getting removed from the blacklists. You can get a "new" /24 to /20 > sized chunk of space removed from blacklists if it's registered to you in > ARIN WHOIS, but not if it looks like a block of space that's directly > adjacent to a bunch of dedicated servers in colo. > > > >> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Brett A Mansfield >> <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote: >> LogicWeb basically told they’ll get me a different subnet, otherwise I >> basically have to figure it out on my own. They did offer to reach out to >> these companies if I could get them the direct contact details. >> >> Before I deploy my second subnet I’m going to make sure they are whitelisted >> first. >> >> Thank you, >> Brett A Mansfield >> >> > On Nov 8, 2017, at 11:09 AM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> >> > wrote: >> > >> > Vudu is the worst. >> > >> > Again, see if the renting company will help you deal with it. >> > >> > But essentially you have to just call support on each one and get through >> > to someone that knows WTH is going on. >> > >> > And, have customers contact support and explain that they don't live in a >> > different country and are not on a VPN. >> > That helps a lot too, both parties can hit it at the same time. >> > >> > Eventually what happens is they take the /24 or whatever and whitelist it >> > in their database. >> > >> > Also, a lot of the CDNs use a service themselves for blacklist and if you >> > fix it with that service, it fixes it for a large number of them >> > simultaneously. >> > >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield >> > Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 10:35 AM >> > To: af@afmug.com >> > Subject: [AFMUG] Blocked by the major streaming providers after getting >> > new subnet >> > >> > Anyone have contacts at Hulu, Vudu, Netflix or any of the other major >> > streaming providers? >> > >> > I just leased a new subnet and it is being blocked by their servers for >> > “proxy”. There are no proxies on my network. >> > >> > I dealt with this a while back, but now it is happening again. >> > >> > Thank you, >> > Brett A Mansfield >
Re: [AFMUG] Blocked by the major streaming providers after getting new subnet
LogicWeb basically told they’ll get me a different subnet, otherwise I basically have to figure it out on my own. They did offer to reach out to these companies if I could get them the direct contact details. Before I deploy my second subnet I’m going to make sure they are whitelisted first. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Nov 8, 2017, at 11:09 AM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> wrote: > > Vudu is the worst. > > Again, see if the renting company will help you deal with it. > > But essentially you have to just call support on each one and get through to > someone that knows WTH is going on. > > And, have customers contact support and explain that they don't live in a > different country and are not on a VPN. > That helps a lot too, both parties can hit it at the same time. > > Eventually what happens is they take the /24 or whatever and whitelist it in > their database. > > Also, a lot of the CDNs use a service themselves for blacklist and if you fix > it with that service, it fixes it for a large number of them simultaneously. > > > -Original Message- > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield > Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 10:35 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: [AFMUG] Blocked by the major streaming providers after getting new > subnet > > Anyone have contacts at Hulu, Vudu, Netflix or any of the other major > streaming providers? > > I just leased a new subnet and it is being blocked by their servers for > “proxy”. There are no proxies on my network. > > I dealt with this a while back, but now it is happening again. > > Thank you, > Brett A Mansfield
[AFMUG] Blocked by the major streaming providers after getting new subnet
Anyone have contacts at Hulu, Vudu, Netflix or any of the other major streaming providers? I just leased a new subnet and it is being blocked by their servers for “proxy”. There are no proxies on my network. I dealt with this a while back, but now it is happening again. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield
Re: [AFMUG] Facebook Ireland IP flooding traffic
This customer has been doing this prior to implementing the new IPs. The new subnet is for NJ, so I’ve submitted tickets to get that adjusted. Hopefully that happens soon. For some reason nobody on my new subnet can load ksl.com either. That seems to be the only url to have this issue so far. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Nov 7, 2017, at 7:22 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> wrote: > > Also Brett, you might want to keep in mind geo-location for your IPv4 space. > > If the subnet you are using is still showing on some geo services as another > state or country weird things can happen with CDN routing etc. > > > > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield > Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 7:16 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Facebook Ireland IP flooding traffic > > Thanks Mike. > > Thank you, > Brett A Mansfield > > On Nov 7, 2017, at 5:35 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > Upload or download? Download, I assume? > > Contact their NOC, contact info here: https://peeringdb.com/net/979 > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > From: "Brett A Mansfield" <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 5:14:17 PM > Subject: [AFMUG] Facebook Ireland IP flooding traffic > > I have a customer that is using 3x the bandwidth all my remaining customers > on the same leg of the network use. The traffic is almost all from the same > IP address. > > 31.13.70.51 > > I was thinking a torrent VPN service, but this shows as a Facebook IP in the > RIPE region and is registered as a direct assign to Facebook Ireland. Any > idea what can cause this IP to have a nearly consistent 100Mb of bandwidth? > > I asked the customer and he said that he doesn’t do any torrenting and he > thought it might be game updates (he is a PC gamer). I’ve seen what game > updates do, and it’s nothing like this. > > Thank you, > Brett A Mansfield >
Re: [AFMUG] Facebook Ireland IP flooding traffic
Thanks Mike. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Nov 7, 2017, at 5:35 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > Upload or download? Download, I assume? > > Contact their NOC, contact info here: https://peeringdb.com/net/979 > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > > From: "Brett A Mansfield" <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 5:14:17 PM > Subject: [AFMUG] Facebook Ireland IP flooding traffic > > I have a customer that is using 3x the bandwidth all my remaining customers > on the same leg of the network use. The traffic is almost all from the same > IP address. > > 31.13.70.51 > > I was thinking a torrent VPN service, but this shows as a Facebook IP in the > RIPE region and is registered as a direct assign to Facebook Ireland. Any > idea what can cause this IP to have a nearly consistent 100Mb of bandwidth? > > I asked the customer and he said that he doesn’t do any torrenting and he > thought it might be game updates (he is a PC gamer). I’ve seen what game > updates do, and it’s nothing like this. > > Thank you, > Brett A Mansfield >
[AFMUG] Facebook Ireland IP flooding traffic
I have a customer that is using 3x the bandwidth all my remaining customers on the same leg of the network use. The traffic is almost all from the same IP address. 31.13.70.51 I was thinking a torrent VPN service, but this shows as a Facebook IP in the RIPE region and is registered as a direct assign to Facebook Ireland. Any idea what can cause this IP to have a nearly consistent 100Mb of bandwidth? I asked the customer and he said that he doesn’t do any torrenting and he thought it might be game updates (he is a PC gamer). I’ve seen what game updates do, and it’s nothing like this. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield
Re: [AFMUG] Sonar password requirements too strict?
Thanks. I’ll check it out. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Oct 27, 2017, at 5:11 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: > > Brett - try KeePass. It's Android/iphone/mac/Windows > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > >> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 8:56 AM, Brett A Mansfield >> <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote: >> I don’t like password managers. They make logging into things take forever. >> Also, I haven’t found one for Mac that I like. >> >> I was first talking about my password when setting it up. It doesn’t matter >> if it is customer facing or my admin password, I should be able to choose my >> level of security. An 8 character password is secure enough for me and my >> small organization. >> >> But customer passwords certainly need to be easier and more relaxed. >> >> Thank you, >> Brett A Mansfield >> >>> On Oct 26, 2017, at 1:28 AM, Ryan Ray <ryan...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I just realized you were talking about customer facing passwords, which >>> absolutely should be somewhat easy as people seem to be pretty blase' about >>> their password security, but anyone with a lick of tech knowledge should be >>> using a password manager with a random long password for every site. I use >>> 1password which has apps for Windows, osx, ios, android and browser >>> extensions. Then every password is as long as the site will let me with >>> random characters. >>> >>>> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 6:13 PM, Brett A Mansfield >>>> <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote: >>>> Oh no, admin password should be very strong. But I am just barely playing >>>> with this for the first time and I didn’t know they made it so you can >>>> change the requirements. I’m quite impressed with sonar so far. It looks >>>> like it will take a very long time to setup because of how many features >>>> there are. >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> Brett A Mansfield >>>> >>>>> On Oct 25, 2017, at 7:03 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Oh, for the customers. That is a different kettle of pickles. I agree, >>>>> customer passwords can be less secure in my opinion. >>>>> I thought you were talking about your admin password. >>>>> >>>>> From: Brett A Mansfield >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:50 PM >>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar password requirements too strict? >>>>> >>>>> I can tell already that it will be a serious challenge. I have a lot of >>>>> customers that will be calling me just to complain that they cannot get >>>>> into their account because the password requirements are too strict and >>>>> they forgot their password again. >>>>> >>>>> Should I not be able to choose my own password requirements? >>>>> >>>>> Thank you, >>>>> Brett A Mansfield >>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 25, 2017, at 6:37 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Absolutely not. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> - >>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>> >>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>>>> >>>>>> The Brothers WISP >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: "Brett A Mansfield" <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> >>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:32:07 PM >>>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Sonar password requirements too strict? >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyone here that uses sonar find the password requirements to be too >>>>>> strict? 12 character requirement. >>>>>> >>>>>> When it comes to passwords, I should get to choose any password I want >>>>>> when I’m paying someone for a service. I have the same issue with Apples >>>>>> new stuff. >>>>>> >>>>>> I just spun up a new instance of sonar to try it out. I haven’t even >>>>>> passed the password changescreen yet and I think I’ve already >>>>>> decided to cancel. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>> Brett A Mansfield >>>>>> >>> >
Re: [AFMUG] Sonar password requirements too strict?
A appreciate your opinion, but I disagree. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Oct 26, 2017, at 6:58 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > 8 characters is never enough. > > The size of your organization is irrelevant. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > > From: "Brett A Mansfield" <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 7:56:46 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar password requirements too strict? > > I don’t like password managers. They make logging into things take forever. > Also, I haven’t found one for Mac that I like. > > I was first talking about my password when setting it up. It doesn’t matter > if it is customer facing or my admin password, I should be able to choose my > level of security. An 8 character password is secure enough for me and my > small organization. > > But customer passwords certainly need to be easier and more relaxed. > > Thank you, > Brett A Mansfield > > On Oct 26, 2017, at 1:28 AM, Ryan Ray <ryan...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I just realized you were talking about customer facing passwords, which > absolutely should be somewhat easy as people seem to be pretty blase' about > their password security, but anyone with a lick of tech knowledge should be > using a password manager with a random long password for every site. I use > 1password which has apps for Windows, osx, ios, android and browser > extensions. Then every password is as long as the site will let me with > random characters. > >> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 6:13 PM, Brett A Mansfield >> <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote: >> Oh no, admin password should be very strong. But I am just barely playing >> with this for the first time and I didn’t know they made it so you can >> change the requirements. I’m quite impressed with sonar so far. It looks >> like it will take a very long time to setup because of how many features >> there are. >> >> Thank you, >> Brett A Mansfield >> >> On Oct 25, 2017, at 7:03 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >> >> Oh, for the customers. That is a different kettle of pickles. I agree, >> customer passwords can be less secure in my opinion. >> I thought you were talking about your admin password. >> >> From: Brett A Mansfield >> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:50 PM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar password requirements too strict? >> >> I can tell already that it will be a serious challenge. I have a lot of >> customers that will be calling me just to complain that they cannot get into >> their account because the password requirements are too strict and they >> forgot their password again. >> >> Should I not be able to choose my own password requirements? >> >> Thank you, >> Brett A Mansfield >> >> On Oct 25, 2017, at 6:37 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >> >> Absolutely not. >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> >> Midwest Internet Exchange >> >> The Brothers WISP >> >> >> >> >> From: "Brett A Mansfield" <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:32:07 PM >> Subject: [AFMUG] Sonar password requirements too strict? >> >> Anyone here that uses sonar find the password requirements to be too strict? >> 12 character requirement. >> >> When it comes to passwords, I should get to choose any password I want when >> I’m paying someone for a service. I have the same issue with Apples new >> stuff. >> >> I just spun up a new instance of sonar to try it out. I haven’t even passed >> the password change screen yet and I think I’ve already decided to cancel. >> >> Thank you, >> Brett A Mansfield >> > >
Re: [AFMUG] Sonar password requirements too strict?
I don’t like password managers. They make logging into things take forever. Also, I haven’t found one for Mac that I like. I was first talking about my password when setting it up. It doesn’t matter if it is customer facing or my admin password, I should be able to choose my level of security. An 8 character password is secure enough for me and my small organization. But customer passwords certainly need to be easier and more relaxed. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Oct 26, 2017, at 1:28 AM, Ryan Ray <ryan...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I just realized you were talking about customer facing passwords, which > absolutely should be somewhat easy as people seem to be pretty blase' about > their password security, but anyone with a lick of tech knowledge should be > using a password manager with a random long password for every site. I use > 1password which has apps for Windows, osx, ios, android and browser > extensions. Then every password is as long as the site will let me with > random characters. > >> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 6:13 PM, Brett A Mansfield >> <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote: >> Oh no, admin password should be very strong. But I am just barely playing >> with this for the first time and I didn’t know they made it so you can >> change the requirements. I’m quite impressed with sonar so far. It looks >> like it will take a very long time to setup because of how many features >> there are. >> >> Thank you, >> Brett A Mansfield >> >>> On Oct 25, 2017, at 7:03 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>> >>> Oh, for the customers. That is a different kettle of pickles. I agree, >>> customer passwords can be less secure in my opinion. >>> I thought you were talking about your admin password. >>> >>> From: Brett A Mansfield >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:50 PM >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar password requirements too strict? >>> >>> I can tell already that it will be a serious challenge. I have a lot of >>> customers that will be calling me just to complain that they cannot get >>> into their account because the password requirements are too strict and >>> they forgot their password again. >>> >>> Should I not be able to choose my own password requirements? >>> >>> Thank you, >>> Brett A Mansfield >>> >>>> On Oct 25, 2017, at 6:37 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> Absolutely not. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>> >>>> The Brothers WISP >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: "Brett A Mansfield" <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> >>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:32:07 PM >>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Sonar password requirements too strict? >>>> >>>> Anyone here that uses sonar find the password requirements to be too >>>> strict? 12 character requirement. >>>> >>>> When it comes to passwords, I should get to choose any password I want >>>> when I’m paying someone for a service. I have the same issue with Apples >>>> new stuff. >>>> >>>> I just spun up a new instance of sonar to try it out. I haven’t even >>>> passed the password change screen yet and I think I’ve already decided to >>>> cancel. >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> Brett A Mansfield >>>> >
Re: [AFMUG] Sonar password requirements too strict?
Oh no, admin password should be very strong. But I am just barely playing with this for the first time and I didn’t know they made it so you can change the requirements. I’m quite impressed with sonar so far. It looks like it will take a very long time to setup because of how many features there are. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Oct 25, 2017, at 7:03 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > Oh, for the customers. That is a different kettle of pickles. I agree, > customer passwords can be less secure in my opinion. > I thought you were talking about your admin password. > > From: Brett A Mansfield > Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:50 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar password requirements too strict? > > I can tell already that it will be a serious challenge. I have a lot of > customers that will be calling me just to complain that they cannot get into > their account because the password requirements are too strict and they > forgot their password again. > > Should I not be able to choose my own password requirements? > > Thank you, > Brett A Mansfield > >> On Oct 25, 2017, at 6:37 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >> >> Absolutely not. >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> >> Midwest Internet Exchange >> >> The Brothers WISP >> >> >> >> >> From: "Brett A Mansfield" <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:32:07 PM >> Subject: [AFMUG] Sonar password requirements too strict? >> >> Anyone here that uses sonar find the password requirements to be too strict? >> 12 character requirement. >> >> When it comes to passwords, I should get to choose any password I want when >> I’m paying someone for a service. I have the same issue with Apples new >> stuff. >> >> I just spun up a new instance of sonar to try it out. I haven’t even passed >> the password change screen yet and I think I’ve already decided to cancel. >> >> Thank you, >> Brett A Mansfield >>
Re: [AFMUG] Sonar password requirements too strict?
I can tell already that it will be a serious challenge. I have a lot of customers that will be calling me just to complain that they cannot get into their account because the password requirements are too strict and they forgot their password again. Should I not be able to choose my own password requirements? Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Oct 25, 2017, at 6:37 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > Absolutely not. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > > From: "Brett A Mansfield" <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:32:07 PM > Subject: [AFMUG] Sonar password requirements too strict? > > Anyone here that uses sonar find the password requirements to be too strict? > 12 character requirement. > > When it comes to passwords, I should get to choose any password I want when > I’m paying someone for a service. I have the same issue with Apples new > stuff. > > I just spun up a new instance of sonar to try it out. I haven’t even passed > the password change screen yet and I think I’ve already decided to cancel. > > Thank you, > Brett A Mansfield >
Re: [AFMUG] Sonar password requirements too strict?
So, I found a page that is perfect for this. I can change the password requirements. Glad to see they didn’t make me use long passwords. The 80-somethings will thank you for this. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Oct 25, 2017, at 6:50 PM, Brett A Mansfield <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> > wrote: > > I can tell already that it will be a serious challenge. I have a lot of > customers that will be calling me just to complain that they cannot get into > their account because the password requirements are too strict and they > forgot their password again. > > Should I not be able to choose my own password requirements? > > Thank you, > Brett A Mansfield > >> On Oct 25, 2017, at 6:37 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >> >> Absolutely not. >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> >> Midwest Internet Exchange >> >> The Brothers WISP >> >> >> >> >> From: "Brett A Mansfield" <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:32:07 PM >> Subject: [AFMUG] Sonar password requirements too strict? >> >> Anyone here that uses sonar find the password requirements to be too strict? >> 12 character requirement. >> >> When it comes to passwords, I should get to choose any password I want when >> I’m paying someone for a service. I have the same issue with Apples new >> stuff. >> >> I just spun up a new instance of sonar to try it out. I haven’t even passed >> the password change screen yet and I think I’ve already decided to cancel. >> >> Thank you, >> Brett A Mansfield >>
[AFMUG] Sonar password requirements too strict?
Anyone here that uses sonar find the password requirements to be too strict? 12 character requirement. When it comes to passwords, I should get to choose any password I want when I’m paying someone for a service. I have the same issue with Apples new stuff. I just spun up a new instance of sonar to try it out. I haven’t even passed the password change screen yet and I think I’ve already decided to cancel. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield
Re: [AFMUG] MetroLinq 2.5G 60-BF-18 (120 Degree Sector)
They are 2000MHz wide channels, but there 4 channels, not 3. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Oct 1, 2017, at 1:21 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote: > > Ignitenet uses 2 Ghz channels, so there are only three channels available, > but a vendor representative has stated that you can reuse frequencies in an > ABAB pattern. Of note is that even if it has 16 beams of 10 degrees, it can > only support 8 clients. It's unclear whether a later upgrade to 32 clients > requires new hardware or not. The 2.5G bandwidth is aggregate, so you cannot > do more than 1G symmetrical. Asymmetric speeds are supported. > > > Website and datasheet: > https://www.ignitenet.com/products/ml-2-5g-60-bf-sector/ > https://www.ignitenet.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/MetroLinq-2.5G-60-BF-sector-datasheet.pdf > > Jared > > > > > Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2017 > From: "Ryan Ray" <ryan...@gmail.com> > To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> > Subject: [AFMUG] MetroLinq 2.5G 60-BF-18 (120 Degree Sector) > > Searched around and didn't see anyone talking about these. Do they work? Can > I put three of these up channels 2,3,4 and have 360 degree gigabit coverage > in 60GHz? Any gotcha's I need to know? Does frequency reuse work? Same range > as the existing point to point model? > > So many applications if this is all the case.
Re: [AFMUG] MetroLinq 2.5G 60-BF-18 (120 Degree Sector)
Based on my experience with Ignitenet they will do what they say. But I don’t think anyone has these yet. Probably closer to Q2 next year you’ll be able to get some. Keep in mind that these are only good up to 700m with the 35mm CPE. They’re going to be pricey. Though, I cannot wait to get my hands on these. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Sep 30, 2017, at 11:05 PM, Ryan Ray <ryan...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Searched around and didn't see anyone talking about these. Do they work? Can > I put three of these up channels 2,3,4 and have 360 degree gigabit coverage > in 60GHz? Any gotcha's I need to know? Does frequency reuse work? Same range > as the existing point to point model? > > So many applications if this is all the case.
Re: [AFMUG] Speed Tests
I’ve found that the app is the most reliable and consistent. I can get 30b in a browser and get 650Mb with the app. They make it for Windows and Mac. You need to get it from their respective app stores. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Sep 20, 2017, at 8:57 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> wrote: > > Not sure if these attachments are going to come through, but here are my > results tonight to my own speedtest.net server. > > The slower one is from Chrome, the faster is from Edge. > > Really can be a big difference in what browser (even version of browser) you > are using… > > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Utick > Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 7:40 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speed Tests > > This is from my laptop, wired into our switch a couple of hops away from our > speedtest server. The server is behind a Cisco ASA firewall to boot. Laptop > is a good i7 laptop. So, it is very possible to do a gig with a single > computer. > > > > On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 2:28 PM, Al Rachide <alrach...@gmail.com> wrote: > We did a speed test on a full GIG DIA fiber line. It took THREE computers > simultaneously, two with I5s and one with an I7 processor. All 3 had gigabit > internet cards. We did indeed get a totwl throughput of 997mbit down and > 1003mbit up. But that was the combined total of all 3 computers running the > speed test at the same time. We think the reality is that any one computer, > no matter how powerful, can actually send or receive 1000mbit speed. Al > > On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 3:38 PM, <af-requ...@afmug.com> wrote: > Send Af mailing list submissions to > af@afmug.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > af-requ...@afmug.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > af-ow...@afmug.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Af digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Re: Hold on Gino (Steve Jones) >2. Speedtests (Chuck McCown) >3. Re: Speedtests (Jesse DuPont) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 14:22:53 -0500 > From: Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hold on Gino > Message-ID: > <cagoa4npnp2-cwyrhfsecuf9jn7tid_fowbg-in7flb6frpi...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > their power is like 80 or more percent out > > On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 1:43 PM, Zach Underwood <zunder1...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Also looks like his backbone is still online > > > > https://stat.ripe.net/14979#tabId=routing > > > > On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 2:39 PM, Zach Underwood <zunder1...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > >> More than half of the prefix from PR are offline > >> https://stat.ripe.net/PR#tabId=routing > >> > >> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 2:28 PM, SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net> wrote: > >> > >>> Maria must have be giving you hell. > >>> > >>> No power on the island!!! > >>> > >>> Hold on and Good luck. > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA) > >> My website <http://zachunderwood.me> > >> advance-networking.com > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA) > > My website <http://zachunderwood.me> > > advance-networking.com > > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://afmug.com/pipermail/af/attachments/20170920/96558efd/attachment-0001.html> > > -- > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 13:34:36 -0600 > From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> > To: <af@afmug.com> > Subject: [AFMUG] Speedtests > Message-ID: <B6646750F342408BAD1B98628F2B839F@ChuckMcCownPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hard to find an app or appliance that will reliably show a customer the speed > they are getting when it is above 100 Mbps. We have increasingly more 250, > 500 and 1G customers and when they complain that speed test shows a lower > number I need something to prove them wrong. An averag
Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz
Eventually, yes. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Sep 11, 2017, at 8:13 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Also, they are supposed to eventually support up to 32 clients. > >> On Sep 11, 2017 8:49 PM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >> I don't think anyone has a higher CPE limit in 60 GHz. >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> >> Midwest Internet Exchange >> >> The Brothers WISP >> >> >> >> >> From: "Brett A Mansfield" <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 7:31:25 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz >> >> True, until you realize you can only put 8 or 16 customers on an AP. Their >> pricing isn’t terrible, and I’m going to be buying at least some Ignitenet >> for this project. I was just hoping for some less expensive stuff I can use >> for customers on the lower plans. >> >> Thank you, >> Brett A Mansfield >> >> On Sep 11, 2017, at 5:35 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> It's certainly more expensive than most of us are used to with PTMP, but >> it's not really that bad... if you consider the cost of the APs, compared to >> something like PMP450 or LTE, it doesn't start to look so bad. >> >>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Brett A Mansfield >>> <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote: >>> Yeah, that makes sense. I think Ignitenet is excellent price and quality >>> wise when talking PTP. It’s PTMP that it is cost prohibitive I think. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> Brett A Mansfield >>> >>> On Sep 11, 2017, at 5:07 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>> >>> Because IgniteNet is way cheaper than Siklu, which is way cheaper than >>> everything else. There's links going for over $10k and IgniteNet is 1/10th >>> of that. >>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>> >>> The Brothers WISP >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: "Brett A Mansfield" <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 5:55:42 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz >>> >>> I’m not sure why that is funny. The average CPE cost is much less than the >>> Ignitenet radios. I’m not running fiber, which is also cost prohibitive >>> without deep pockets. A good ROI for a WISP is 6-12 months. For fiber it’s >>> 5-6 years. The reason being you’ll get many more service calls with >>> wireless, as well as less consistent speeds. Fiber is solid and you don’t >>> have to replace as many electronics as often. So I’m not sure why you laugh >>> when I say Ignitenet is cost prohibitive. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> Brett A Mansfield >>> >>> > On Sep 11, 2017, at 4:25 PM, Chris Wright <ch...@velociter.net> wrote: >>> > >>> > Ignitenet is cost prohibitive? LOL >>> > >>> > Chris Wright >>> > Network Administrator >>> > >>> > -Original Message- >>> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield >>> > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 3:24 PM >>> > To: af@afmug.com >>> > Subject: [AFMUG] 60GHz >>> > >>> > Anyone know anything about the Mikrotik 60GHz stuff yet? I’m looking for >>> > some good gear and I use some Ignitenet. Ignitenet is great but so cost >>> > prohibitive. I’m hoping Mikrotik will have theirs released very soon as I >>> > need a couple hundred radios. >>> > >>> > Thank you, >>> > Brett A Mansfield >>> > >>> >> >>
Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz
True, until you realize you can only put 8 or 16 customers on an AP. Their pricing isn’t terrible, and I’m going to be buying at least some Ignitenet for this project. I was just hoping for some less expensive stuff I can use for customers on the lower plans. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Sep 11, 2017, at 5:35 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote: > > It's certainly more expensive than most of us are used to with PTMP, but it's > not really that bad... if you consider the cost of the APs, compared to > something like PMP450 or LTE, it doesn't start to look so bad. > >> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Brett A Mansfield >> <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote: >> Yeah, that makes sense. I think Ignitenet is excellent price and quality >> wise when talking PTP. It’s PTMP that it is cost prohibitive I think. >> >> Thank you, >> Brett A Mansfield >> >>> On Sep 11, 2017, at 5:07 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>> >>> Because IgniteNet is way cheaper than Siklu, which is way cheaper than >>> everything else. There's links going for over $10k and IgniteNet is 1/10th >>> of that. >>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>> >>> The Brothers WISP >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: "Brett A Mansfield" <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 5:55:42 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz >>> >>> I’m not sure why that is funny. The average CPE cost is much less than the >>> Ignitenet radios. I’m not running fiber, which is also cost prohibitive >>> without deep pockets. A good ROI for a WISP is 6-12 months. For fiber it’s >>> 5-6 years. The reason being you’ll get many more service calls with >>> wireless, as well as less consistent speeds. Fiber is solid and you don’t >>> have to replace as many electronics as often. So I’m not sure why you laugh >>> when I say Ignitenet is cost prohibitive. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> Brett A Mansfield >>> >>> > On Sep 11, 2017, at 4:25 PM, Chris Wright <ch...@velociter.net> wrote: >>> > >>> > Ignitenet is cost prohibitive? LOL >>> > >>> > Chris Wright >>> > Network Administrator >>> > >>> > -Original Message- >>> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield >>> > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 3:24 PM >>> > To: af@afmug.com >>> > Subject: [AFMUG] 60GHz >>> > >>> > Anyone know anything about the Mikrotik 60GHz stuff yet? I’m looking for >>> > some good gear and I use some Ignitenet. Ignitenet is great but so cost >>> > prohibitive. I’m hoping Mikrotik will have theirs released very soon as I >>> > need a couple hundred radios. >>> > >>> > Thank you, >>> > Brett A Mansfield >>> > >>> >
Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz
Yeah, that makes sense. I think Ignitenet is excellent price and quality wise when talking PTP. It’s PTMP that it is cost prohibitive I think. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Sep 11, 2017, at 5:07 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > Because IgniteNet is way cheaper than Siklu, which is way cheaper than > everything else. There's links going for over $10k and IgniteNet is 1/10th of > that. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > > From: "Brett A Mansfield" <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 5:55:42 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz > > I’m not sure why that is funny. The average CPE cost is much less than the > Ignitenet radios. I’m not running fiber, which is also cost prohibitive > without deep pockets. A good ROI for a WISP is 6-12 months. For fiber it’s > 5-6 years. The reason being you’ll get many more service calls with wireless, > as well as less consistent speeds. Fiber is solid and you don’t have to > replace as many electronics as often. So I’m not sure why you laugh when I > say Ignitenet is cost prohibitive. > > Thank you, > Brett A Mansfield > > > On Sep 11, 2017, at 4:25 PM, Chris Wright <ch...@velociter.net> wrote: > > > > Ignitenet is cost prohibitive? LOL > > > > Chris Wright > > Network Administrator > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield > > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 3:24 PM > > To: af@afmug.com > > Subject: [AFMUG] 60GHz > > > > Anyone know anything about the Mikrotik 60GHz stuff yet? I’m looking for > > some good gear and I use some Ignitenet. Ignitenet is great but so cost > > prohibitive. I’m hoping Mikrotik will have theirs released very soon as I > > need a couple hundred radios. > > > > Thank you, > > Brett A Mansfield > > >
Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz
I’m not sure why that is funny. The average CPE cost is much less than the Ignitenet radios. I’m not running fiber, which is also cost prohibitive without deep pockets. A good ROI for a WISP is 6-12 months. For fiber it’s 5-6 years. The reason being you’ll get many more service calls with wireless, as well as less consistent speeds. Fiber is solid and you don’t have to replace as many electronics as often. So I’m not sure why you laugh when I say Ignitenet is cost prohibitive. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Sep 11, 2017, at 4:25 PM, Chris Wright <ch...@velociter.net> wrote: > > Ignitenet is cost prohibitive? LOL > > Chris Wright > Network Administrator > > -Original Message- > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 3:24 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: [AFMUG] 60GHz > > Anyone know anything about the Mikrotik 60GHz stuff yet? I’m looking for some > good gear and I use some Ignitenet. Ignitenet is great but so cost > prohibitive. I’m hoping Mikrotik will have theirs released very soon as I > need a couple hundred radios. > > Thank you, > Brett A Mansfield >
[AFMUG] 60GHz
Anyone know anything about the Mikrotik 60GHz stuff yet? I’m looking for some good gear and I use some Ignitenet. Ignitenet is great but so cost prohibitive. I’m hoping Mikrotik will have theirs released very soon as I need a couple hundred radios. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Hurricane Irma
I’m actually in Utah and will not be directly affected by it at all. I just feel bad for those who are and they are certainly in my prayers. I would like to help anyone in any area affected by these hurricanes, but I don’t know how I could other than flying out and being extra hands. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Sep 3, 2017, at 11:40 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <jeffl...@att.net> wrote: > > The most reliable tracks have it hitting well north of you...but they are all > really guessing. > > Jeff Broadwick > ConVergence Technologies, Inc. > 312-205-2519 Office > 574-220-7826 Cell > jbroadw...@converge-tech.com > >> On Sep 3, 2017, at 1:11 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote: >> >> Hi Brett, >> >> We are all keeping any eye on Irma's developing track as well as praying >> that everyone gets spared. >> It is not going to be good, and I will leave it at that. >> >> In regards to your question of what possibly can happen with a CAT 5 >> hurricane, I would suggest that you look at these pictures: >> >> http://www.photolib.noaa.gov/nws/andy1.html >> (Pay attention to the pictures on page 2 of the wood pieces and the palm >> tree) >> >> Having lived thru that, and knowing what folks went thru first hand . >> >> All I can say, with deep deep meaning... "In a Cat5 storm, all bets are off, >> what will survive and what will fail.." >> >> Regards. >> >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> 7266 SW 48 Street >> Miami, FL 33155 >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >> >> - Original Message - >>> From: "Brett A Mansfield" <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 12:05:21 PM >>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Hurricane Irma >> >>> We are having quite the busy year for strong hurricanes. They don’t yet >>> know the >>> path of Irma, but are certain that Puerto Rico will get the full cat3 or >>> even >>> up to cat5 force of it. >>> >>> History of storms like these dictate that is go all along the eastern cost >>> as it >>> weakens. They are thinking it could surpass category 5 and become a super >>> typhoon. That doesn’t sound good at all. >>> >>> Anyone ever have a storm topple a guyed tower? >>> >>> Thank you, >>> Brett A Mansfield
[AFMUG] OT: Hurricane Irma
We are having quite the busy year for strong hurricanes. They don’t yet know the path of Irma, but are certain that Puerto Rico will get the full cat3 or even up to cat5 force of it. History of storms like these dictate that is go all along the eastern cost as it weakens. They are thinking it could surpass category 5 and become a super typhoon. That doesn’t sound good at all. Anyone ever have a storm topple a guyed tower? Thank you, Brett A Mansfield
Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability
They do have a way of doing so on the fcc ULS Page, but I imagine I’d still be taking on a lot of risk if my leases break the rules. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Sep 1, 2017, at 3:28 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > can you sublease your license to multiple people? > >> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Brett A Mansfield >> <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote: >> They are national. If you have one in California it’s valid in New York. >> >> Thank you, >> Brett A Mansfield >> >>> On Sep 1, 2017, at 2:21 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: >>> >>> Anyone in Alabama? >>> >>> >>> >>> Rory >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield >>> Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 1:11 PM >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability >>> >>> >>> >>> Mine expires in 2024. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Brett A Mansfield >>> >>> >>> On Sep 1, 2017, at 2:03 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> How much longer is an NN license good for? I think through 2018 if I >>> remember correctly. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- Original Message -- >>> >>> From: "Brett A Mansfield" <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> >>> >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> >>> Sent: 9/1/2017 4:02:47 PM >>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability >>> >>> >>> >>> I have an NN license I don’t use and would consider selling. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Brett A Mansfield >>> >>> >>> On Sep 1, 2017, at 1:51 PM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote: >>> >>> If you already have an NN license then you can use it just as you have been. >>> >>> >>> >>> If you don't have an NN license you'll need to buy one from someone who >>> does. >>> >>> >>> >>> If you are looking to use the 3550-3650 CBRS spectrum you'll need to wait a >>> bit longer for the SAS to get up and running and for the auctions etc. >>> >>> >>> >>> -Sean >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 2:38 PM Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: >>> >>> Is there any chance of getting any or is it still in hiatus? >>> >>> >>> >>> Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO >>> >>> 4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040 >>> >>> 602-426-0542 >>> >>> r...@triadwireless.net >>> >>> www.triadwireless.net >>> >>> >>> >>> “A hot dog at the game beats roast beef at the Ritz.” — Humphrey Bogart >>> >>> >>> >
Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability
They are national. If you have one in California it’s valid in New York. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Sep 1, 2017, at 2:21 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: > > Anyone in Alabama? > > Rory > > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield > Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 1:11 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability > > Mine expires in 2024. > > Thank you, > Brett A Mansfield > > On Sep 1, 2017, at 2:03 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > > How much longer is an NN license good for? I think through 2018 if I > remember correctly. > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Brett A Mansfield" <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: 9/1/2017 4:02:47 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability > > I have an NN license I don’t use and would consider selling. > > Thank you, > Brett A Mansfield > > On Sep 1, 2017, at 1:51 PM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote: > > If you already have an NN license then you can use it just as you have been. > > If you don't have an NN license you'll need to buy one from someone who does. > > If you are looking to use the 3550-3650 CBRS spectrum you'll need to wait a > bit longer for the SAS to get up and running and for the auctions etc. > > -Sean > > > > On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 2:38 PM Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: > Is there any chance of getting any or is it still in hiatus? > > Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO > 4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040 > 602-426-0542 > r...@triadwireless.net > www.triadwireless.net > > “A hot dog at the game beats roast beef at the Ritz.” — Humphrey Bogart >
Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability
Mine expires in 2024. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Sep 1, 2017, at 2:03 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > > How much longer is an NN license good for? I think through 2018 if I > remember correctly. > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Brett A Mansfield" <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: 9/1/2017 4:02:47 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability > >> I have an NN license I don’t use and would consider selling. >> >> Thank you, >> Brett A Mansfield >> >>> On Sep 1, 2017, at 1:51 PM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote: >>> >>> If you already have an NN license then you can use it just as you have been. >>> >>> If you don't have an NN license you'll need to buy one from someone who >>> does. >>> >>> If you are looking to use the 3550-3650 CBRS spectrum you'll need to wait a >>> bit longer for the SAS to get up and running and for the auctions etc. >>> >>> -Sean >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 2:38 PM Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: >>>> Is there any chance of getting any or is it still in hiatus? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO >>>> >>>> 4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040 >>>> >>>> 602-426-0542 >>>> >>>> r...@triadwireless.net >>>> >>>> www.triadwireless.net >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> “A hot dog at the game beats roast beef at the Ritz.” — Humphrey Bogart >>>> >>>>
Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability
I have an NN license I don’t use and would consider selling. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Sep 1, 2017, at 1:51 PM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote: > > If you already have an NN license then you can use it just as you have been. > > If you don't have an NN license you'll need to buy one from someone who does. > > If you are looking to use the 3550-3650 CBRS spectrum you'll need to wait a > bit longer for the SAS to get up and running and for the auctions etc. > > -Sean > > > >> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 2:38 PM Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: >> Is there any chance of getting any or is it still in hiatus? >> >> >> >> Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO >> >> 4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040 >> >> 602-426-0542 >> >> r...@triadwireless.net >> >> www.triadwireless.net >> >> >> >> “A hot dog at the game beats roast beef at the Ritz.” — Humphrey Bogart >> >>
Re: [AFMUG] Somewhat OT: Random reboots
What is strange about this is that each device that had an issue was at a different site. Each one is connected to each other via a wireless link with the exception of the core router that is hardliners in Sterlings cabinet. These are on different power grids...kind of. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Aug 23, 2017, at 6:16 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I wonder if your router and his switch had an issue at the same time. That > lends credence to the theory that you're getting something wacky on the power > line. > > > -- Original Message ------ > From: "Brett A Mansfield" <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: 8/23/2017 8:02:57 PM > Subject: [AFMUG] Somewhat OT: Random reboots > >> I’ve been having the strangest day today with my network. It all started >> with a sudden reboot of my core router. Made no sense to me at all until >> Sterling mentioned the brownouts (my core router sits right next to many of >> his switches in the same cabinet). >> >> Next, another core router reboots about an hour later. No power loss, no >> indication of issues, just a random reboot caused by a random kernel panic. >> >> Then three hours later, two of my netonix switches rebooted with no warning. >> >> I’d say my network is being hacked, but there no manual commands triggered. >> It is just out of the blue. >> >> Maybe the solar eclipse did it? Or maybe I made some celestial being angry? >> Whatever it is, I just want it to stop! >> >> I can see having reboots several times one one device, but one time on >> almost every device in such a small timeframe is paranormal. >> >> Thank you, >> Brett A Mansfield >
[AFMUG] Somewhat OT: Random reboots
I’ve been having the strangest day today with my network. It all started with a sudden reboot of my core router. Made no sense to me at all until Sterling mentioned the brownouts (my core router sits right next to many of his switches in the same cabinet). Next, another core router reboots about an hour later. No power loss, no indication of issues, just a random reboot caused by a random kernel panic. Then three hours later, two of my netonix switches rebooted with no warning. I’d say my network is being hacked, but there no manual commands triggered. It is just out of the blue. Maybe the solar eclipse did it? Or maybe I made some celestial being angry? Whatever it is, I just want it to stop! I can see having reboots several times one one device, but one time on almost every device in such a small timeframe is paranormal. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield
Re: [AFMUG] Brown-outs, Power fluctuations lock up Mikrotik CRS units
Could this have been the cause of my first outage in 7 months? I was wondering what happened. My router had a brief blip in voltage and rebooted. I was very sad to lose my 7 month uptime, even though it was just a 1 minute long outage (long enough for the EdgeRouter and AF24 to reboot). Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Aug 23, 2017, at 11:59 AM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> wrote: > > I had about 10 of these units suffer from the disconnect problem this morning. > > Some were powered solely from DC wall plug directly to round connector. > > Some were powered solely from POE injector from included DC wall plug power > supply. > > Some were actually powered by both direct DC round plug AND POE from the > Ethernet/Ether1 port. > > So in essence I've ruled all of those combos out as individual > immunity/culprits. > > Some of these were plugged in to small UPS units from APC or similar brand. > > Which I know don't do line conditioning, so that doesn't surprise me there. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 11:56 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Brown-outs, Power fluctuations lock up Mikrotik CRS units > > We have at least 50 CRS and I've never seen that. > We aren't using the wall warts though. These are almost all on Traco 48v > power supplies plus a 48 to 24 converter. So I have a second layer of > conversion between the device and the power. That's just an observation and > I don't know that it ought to make a difference. > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> > To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> > Sent: 8/23/2017 1:39:43 PM > Subject: [AFMUG] Brown-outs, Power fluctuations lock up Mikrotik CRS units > >> I get power glitches from time to time in our city and it never fails >> to cause one or more of our CRS units to glitch. >> >> They appear powered and running, but SFP+ modules don't communicate >> until a power cycle. >> >> Anyone else see this? >> >> And generally, I don't understand how variations in 110v AC get through >> the DC power wart and cause problems to the CRS. >> >> I mean, shouldn't the conversion from AC to DC inherently clean up some >> of the crap of the AC power? >> >> Or is this a function of the power dipping low enough for brief time, >> that the DC also goes almost out then surges back? >> >> The CRS handles a wide range of DC input voltage, so I thought it would >> be more immune to fluctuations of DC voltage too. >> >> Is that what is causing problems with the CRS maybe? >> >> >
Re: [AFMUG] Figuring out what our FCC application says
I'm with Steve. I just bought a couple B11s and they are going on a tower that
has so much 5GHz that is very loud. If 5GHz interferes with it then I'm
screwed.
Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield
> On Aug 17, 2017, at 7:27 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> So, there is potential for interference from 5g? If this is a garbage chip
> like that i dont want this gear. I wasnt behind the purchase, i want saf, i
> like saf, saf support is awesome, everyone in the saf sales channel has been
> awesome, even the saf guy who doesnt work for them.
>
> I got into junk gear im going to regret, didnt i?
>
>> On Aug 17, 2017 7:23 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Ha..not same animal...B11 uses same chip sets as 5GHz radios I am told and
>> up converted. It offers user a lower cost option. You pay what you get
>> for..
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>>> On Aug 17, 2017 10:14 AM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I could give a crap about a snazzy GUI, and would much rather have a device
>>> that could run full modulation and full duplex. Prior to "experiencing" a
>>> B11, I'd never used a license radio that could not modulate at the full
>>> modulation.
>>> bp
>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>
>>>> On 8/17/2017 9:08 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
>>>> Steve, the interface is far more functional and simpler than most of the
>>>> other licensed links. I can’t even get real-time bandwidth numbers out of
>>>> them in the GUI’s which is kind of pathetic. The B11 and the Cloud are
>>>> far more useful.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rory
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 8:53 AM
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Figuring out what our FCC application says
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So we have completed the PCN on a couple mimosa B11 links (so very, very
>>>> unimpressed with these radios interface and function) We went through
>>>> comsearch. Trying to configure this, Im not sure what channel settings to
>>>> put in. I went to the application, I see the centers, but no size. Is
>>>> there a code on here that tells me what channel size we are applying for?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And I notice the Application says the radio does not have ATPC, I thought
>>>> these did, maybe im wrong
>>>>
>>>
Re: [AFMUG] Figuring out what our FCC application says
I bought my most recent link (a week ago) with 3' jirous antennas for $4200. $3k just for the B11s. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Aug 17, 2017, at 2:46 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > Just went through their costing page. More than an AF11x system. > > From: Mike Hammett > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 2:32 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Figuring out what our FCC application says > > List is $2k, available for less. > > http://www.balticnetworks.com/mimosa-b11-starter-kit-with-11ghz-antennas.html > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > > From: ch...@wbmfg.com > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 3:28:46 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Figuring out what our FCC application says > > What is the cost of a B11 radio? > > -Original Message- > From: Rory Conaway > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 1:12 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Figuring out what our FCC application says > > It's a WiFi based chipset but that has nothing to do with the modulation > being all over the place for no apparent reason. That's simply not true > Matthew and has nothing to do with the chipset or the PHY layer. If the > link is calculated correctly and installed correctly, that is simply not the > case. Every single radio out there adapts to a changing environment because > if they didn't, they would disconnect when conditions got below the link > specifications. > > I've got several up, one at 50 miles so we have some experience with the > radios. I’m upgrading it to Cambium 820's shortly simply because I want > more bandwidth but the radio costs are 5 times higher and we put them in a > year ago. However, other B11's we have in place have been flawless as well > as our Dragonwaves and Siklus. > > Rory > > -Original Message- > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 11:49 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Figuring out what our FCC application says > > On 8/17/17 11:33, Mathew Howard wrote: > > I think the point is, on a B11 link (well, both of ours, anyway), the > > modulation will be all over the place at any given time for no > > apparent reason. Every other licensed radio I've ever used will sit at > > full modulation (or whatever it's supposed to be at) unless there's > > something wrong with it, or there's a major storm going through that > > causes enough fade for the signal level to drop. B11's tend to act > > much more like I would expect an unlicensed link to act. > > Isn't it just a wifi-based thing in a licensed band? > >
Re: [AFMUG] towerdirect.net
I just got my tower direct parts a few minutes ago and I wanted to share my experience. I am very impressed with their company. Good quality product at a great price. This was my first time ordering tower products and they were very helpful through the process. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Aug 9, 2017, at 2:32 PM, Brett A Mansfield <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> > wrote: > > Has anyone ever used towerdirect.net? I'm about to order some 25N rhon > pieces, but I want to make sure they're a legit company before handing over > the money. > > Thank you, > Brett A Mansfield
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti uFiber
I got mine in the beta store. It's pretty neat. I have decided to go active fiber though so now I have no use for it. I have the OLT and three ONTs that I got for testing. I never even open the box for one of the ONTs. I had ten beta ONTs that I've stress tested and destroyed. They handle quite a bit! These other three ONTs I have are not from beta and have only been connected to check operation (minus the one unopened). Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Aug 10, 2017, at 8:40 PM, Jason McKemie <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> > wrote: > > Those of you testing this stuff, where did you buy it? All at the beta > store? It isn't in stock in the Ubiquiti store right now, Streakwave has an > item listed (not in stock), but the price is 3x what it was in the beta > store. Is it really this much of a jump in price?
[AFMUG] towerdirect.net
Has anyone ever used towerdirect.net? I'm about to order some 25N rhon pieces, but I want to make sure they're a legit company before handing over the money. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield
Re: [AFMUG] Metrolinq question
I have a 1500M link that is currently at 4 9's using the 35cm model. I get about 1Gb throughput including overhead. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Aug 7, 2017, at 2:27 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Still wouldn't do it... 60 GHz with 2ft/60cm dishes is good for 900-1100 > meters max in rain zone D with high reliability where you can actually treat > it like a fiber cable, and it won't drop out except in truly exceptional > rainstorms. In the five nines per year statistical range. > > 1100 meters = 0.68 miles > > And definitely not in rain zone F with its higher mm/hour rates. > > > > >> On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> Friend asking with 2 ft dishes >> >> Jaime Solorza >> >>> On Aug 7, 2017 1:45 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> 1.9 miles 60 GHz with those tiny antennas? >>> >>> I wouldn't even try that distance with the Bridgewave 60 GHz product with >>> 60cm dishes on both ends in rain zone C... Forget F. >>> >>> 100 Mbps at 1.9 miles seems like a good fit for two AF5X with the smallest >>> dishes, does it have to be 60 for some reason? >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:42 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> Can these 60Ghz do 100 mbps at 1.9 miles in my area? Zone F >>>> >>>> Jaime Solorza >>> >
Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OLT Transition from Active Ethernet to GPON
It's funny to me that I was just on FS.com the other day and I saw they sell attenuators and I thought to myself, why on earth would you want to attenuate the signal? Now I know. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Aug 2, 2017, at 11:29 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: > > To clarify, there is no real intelligent attenuation on any optical product I > have ever seen. Some can do a 2-3db depending on the product, but it's never > really a truly intelligent system with bidirectional communication between > the optics to negotiate power levels. > > I may be wrong but this is just my experience. > >> On Aug 2, 2017 12:26 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: >> How could they? TX and RX are different optic sources. You might have a TX >> power level much higher on one end than the other due to manufacturing >> differences or different equipment. >> >>> On Aug 2, 2017 12:10 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> wrote: >>> Hmmm, that's not good if it can't auto-attenuate down. >>> >>> Sounds like they need to fix that. >>> >>> Most of my SMF lasers and links are short and 'hot', but doesn't seem to >>> bother anything I'm currently using. >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 10:16 AM >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OLT Transition from Active Ethernet to GPON >>> >>> I need to print a retraction here. I have been talking to Martin at UBNT >>> and he shows me the error of my ways. I do not have a 50% failure rate. In >>> fact, it's a 0% failure rate. My signal was just too hot. I'm new to the SM >>> Fiber game, so I'm learning as I go. I didn't realize the signal could be >>> too hot at only -3 dB. All of my multi mode Fiber sits at -2 dB and works >>> really well. >>> >>> You learn something new every day. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> Brett A Mansfield >>> >>> > On Jul 31, 2017, at 2:46 PM, Brett A Mansfield >>> > <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > I have heard a lot of complaints from DirectCom customers about their >>> > Fiber never being close to what they pay for, but that may be more >>> > related to the way it's throttled then the GPON. >>> > >>> > I've been playing with several of these ONT/OLT over the past week. I >>> > really like them. Though I have a 50% failure rate on the nanoG's. The >>> > fiber port breaks very easily. >>> > >>> > Thank you, >>> > Brett A Mansfield >>> > >>> >> On Jul 31, 2017, at 2:31 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> We have good luck with 32 customers per 2.4 Gbps down on GPON. Lotsa >>> >> overhead. No problems, not even close, so far. And we are selling more >>> >> Gig circuits than ever before. >>> >> >>> >> -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson >>> >> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 2:19 PM >>> >> To: 'af@afmug.com' >>> >> Subject: [AFMUG] UBNT OLT Transition from Active Ethernet to GPON >>> >> >>> >> Anyone tried their PON OLT CPE and OLT 8 port (128 clients per port) 1U >>> >> unit? >>> >> >>> >> I see pricing around $70 retail for OLT, but haven't seen pricing yet >>> >> for the OLT 1U unit. >>> >> >>> >> Also, I'm active fiber right now, so I have full 1 to 1 panels in the >>> >> rack already. >>> >> >>> >> If I wanted to 'migrate' to OLT from active I would need some sort of >>> >> transition panel/setup right? >>> >> >>> >> Right now my density is 48 ports per 1U 1 to 1 single family home >>> >> connections. >>> >> >>> >> The UBNT Fiber OLT has 8 ports handling up to 128 clients each, with >>> >> 20Gbps uplink capability (not quite sure on those split details yet). >>> >> >>> >> I currently only take a max of 576 per cabinet on active, so I could >>> >> easily use just one of these UBNT fiber OLT units. >>> >> If I don't care about the share ratio I guess, I would just get another >>> >> 576 panel count that spliced 72 count to each port and I'm done. >>> >> >>> >> I'm unclear what that panel/splice would look like though since I've >>> >> never actually done GPON. >>> >> >>> >> And I would probably want to not load up that many per port, and instead >>> >> maybe get four of the UBNT Fiber OLT units. >>> >> That would take up 4U of rack space, the fanout would probably still >>> >> take up 4U of rack space, for a total of 8 U. >>> >> And I would have instead an 18 customer to 1 port on the GPON instead of >>> >> 72 which I like better for future use. >>> >> >>> >> Do these UFiber OLT 1U rackmount units share just 1Gbps per each of the >>> >> 8 ports? That would only be 8Gbps needed total. >>> >> So I assume the GPON spec they are using can transmit more than that per >>> >> each of the 8 GPON ports, right?
Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OLT Transition from Active Ethernet to GPON
I need to print a retraction here. I have been talking to Martin at UBNT and he shows me the error of my ways. I do not have a 50% failure rate. In fact, it's a 0% failure rate. My signal was just too hot. I'm new to the SM Fiber game, so I'm learning as I go. I didn't realize the signal could be too hot at only -3 dB. All of my multi mode Fiber sits at -2 dB and works really well. You learn something new every day. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Jul 31, 2017, at 2:46 PM, Brett A Mansfield <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> > wrote: > > I have heard a lot of complaints from DirectCom customers about their Fiber > never being close to what they pay for, but that may be more related to the > way it's throttled then the GPON. > > I've been playing with several of these ONT/OLT over the past week. I really > like them. Though I have a 50% failure rate on the nanoG's. The fiber port > breaks very easily. > > Thank you, > Brett A Mansfield > >> On Jul 31, 2017, at 2:31 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >> >> We have good luck with 32 customers per 2.4 Gbps down on GPON. Lotsa >> overhead. No problems, not even close, so far. And we are selling more Gig >> circuits than ever before. >> >> -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson >> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 2:19 PM >> To: 'af@afmug.com' >> Subject: [AFMUG] UBNT OLT Transition from Active Ethernet to GPON >> >> Anyone tried their PON OLT CPE and OLT 8 port (128 clients per port) 1U unit? >> >> I see pricing around $70 retail for OLT, but haven't seen pricing yet for >> the OLT 1U unit. >> >> Also, I'm active fiber right now, so I have full 1 to 1 panels in the rack >> already. >> >> If I wanted to 'migrate' to OLT from active I would need some sort of >> transition panel/setup right? >> >> Right now my density is 48 ports per 1U 1 to 1 single family home >> connections. >> >> The UBNT Fiber OLT has 8 ports handling up to 128 clients each, with 20Gbps >> uplink capability (not quite sure on those split details yet). >> >> I currently only take a max of 576 per cabinet on active, so I could easily >> use just one of these UBNT fiber OLT units. >> If I don't care about the share ratio I guess, I would just get another 576 >> panel count that spliced 72 count to each port and I'm done. >> >> I'm unclear what that panel/splice would look like though since I've never >> actually done GPON. >> >> And I would probably want to not load up that many per port, and instead >> maybe get four of the UBNT Fiber OLT units. >> That would take up 4U of rack space, the fanout would probably still take up >> 4U of rack space, for a total of 8 U. >> And I would have instead an 18 customer to 1 port on the GPON instead of 72 >> which I like better for future use. >> >> Do these UFiber OLT 1U rackmount units share just 1Gbps per each of the 8 >> ports? That would only be 8Gbps needed total. >> So I assume the GPON spec they are using can transmit more than that per >> each of the 8 GPON ports, right?
Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OLT Transition from Active Ethernet to GPON
Yeah, that is usually the case. At this point when someone complains to me about DirectCom it goes in one ear and right out the other. Haha. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Jul 31, 2017, at 3:08 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > They may say it but when a tech plugs into their ONT they get EXACTLY what > they pay for. > > We prove it to customers at least once a week. > > If they plug a crappy router into a 250 Mbps ethernet circuit, they are > probably not going to get 250 Mbps. > > -Original Message- From: Brett A Mansfield > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 2:46 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OLT Transition from Active Ethernet to GPON > > I have heard a lot of complaints from DirectCom customers about their Fiber > never being close to what they pay for, but that may be more related to the > way it's throttled then the GPON. > > I've been playing with several of these ONT/OLT over the past week. I really > like them. Though I have a 50% failure rate on the nanoG's. The fiber port > breaks very easily. > > Thank you, > Brett A Mansfield > >> On Jul 31, 2017, at 2:31 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >> >> We have good luck with 32 customers per 2.4 Gbps down on GPON. Lotsa >> overhead. No problems, not even close, so far. And we are selling more Gig >> circuits than ever before. >> >> -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson >> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 2:19 PM >> To: 'af@afmug.com' >> Subject: [AFMUG] UBNT OLT Transition from Active Ethernet to GPON >> >> Anyone tried their PON OLT CPE and OLT 8 port (128 clients per port) 1U unit? >> >> I see pricing around $70 retail for OLT, but haven't seen pricing yet for >> the OLT 1U unit. >> >> Also, I'm active fiber right now, so I have full 1 to 1 panels in the rack >> already. >> >> If I wanted to 'migrate' to OLT from active I would need some sort of >> transition panel/setup right? >> >> Right now my density is 48 ports per 1U 1 to 1 single family home >> connections. >> >> The UBNT Fiber OLT has 8 ports handling up to 128 clients each, with 20Gbps >> uplink capability (not quite sure on those split details yet). >> >> I currently only take a max of 576 per cabinet on active, so I could easily >> use just one of these UBNT fiber OLT units. >> If I don't care about the share ratio I guess, I would just get another 576 >> panel count that spliced 72 count to each port and I'm done. >> >> I'm unclear what that panel/splice would look like though since I've never >> actually done GPON. >> >> And I would probably want to not load up that many per port, and instead >> maybe get four of the UBNT Fiber OLT units. >> That would take up 4U of rack space, the fanout would probably still take up >> 4U of rack space, for a total of 8 U. >> And I would have instead an 18 customer to 1 port on the GPON instead of 72 >> which I like better for future use. >> >> Do these UFiber OLT 1U rackmount units share just 1Gbps per each of the 8 >> ports? That would only be 8Gbps needed total. >> So I assume the GPON spec they are using can transmit more than that per >> each of the 8 GPON ports, right? >
Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OLT Transition from Active Ethernet to GPON
I've ordered a few of these to play with. They seem pretty comparable and a lot more proven, but I don't know if they'll work with the UBNT OLT. http://www.fs.com/products/35020.html I guess I'll see if they work soon enough. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Jul 31, 2017, at 2:54 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> wrote: > > Yeah, I guessed there would be an early adopters pain curve like with > anything UBNT. > > I just got on their online 'test' system and noticed most of their CPE on > reports are on 'high failure' for about two weeks on their demo, lol! > > I hope that's not real data they are mirroring/using. > > -Original Message- > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 2:47 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OLT Transition from Active Ethernet to GPON > > I have heard a lot of complaints from DirectCom customers about their Fiber > never being close to what they pay for, but that may be more related to the > way it's throttled then the GPON. > > I've been playing with several of these ONT/OLT over the past week. I really > like them. Though I have a 50% failure rate on the nanoG's. The fiber port > breaks very easily. > > Thank you, > Brett A Mansfield > >> On Jul 31, 2017, at 2:31 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >> >> We have good luck with 32 customers per 2.4 Gbps down on GPON. Lotsa >> overhead. No problems, not even close, so far. And we are selling more Gig >> circuits than ever before. >> >> -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson >> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 2:19 PM >> To: 'af@afmug.com' >> Subject: [AFMUG] UBNT OLT Transition from Active Ethernet to GPON >> >> Anyone tried their PON OLT CPE and OLT 8 port (128 clients per port) 1U unit? >> >> I see pricing around $70 retail for OLT, but haven't seen pricing yet for >> the OLT 1U unit. >> >> Also, I'm active fiber right now, so I have full 1 to 1 panels in the rack >> already. >> >> If I wanted to 'migrate' to OLT from active I would need some sort of >> transition panel/setup right? >> >> Right now my density is 48 ports per 1U 1 to 1 single family home >> connections. >> >> The UBNT Fiber OLT has 8 ports handling up to 128 clients each, with 20Gbps >> uplink capability (not quite sure on those split details yet). >> >> I currently only take a max of 576 per cabinet on active, so I could easily >> use just one of these UBNT fiber OLT units. >> If I don't care about the share ratio I guess, I would just get another 576 >> panel count that spliced 72 count to each port and I'm done. >> >> I'm unclear what that panel/splice would look like though since I've never >> actually done GPON. >> >> And I would probably want to not load up that many per port, and instead >> maybe get four of the UBNT Fiber OLT units. >> That would take up 4U of rack space, the fanout would probably still take up >> 4U of rack space, for a total of 8 U. >> And I would have instead an 18 customer to 1 port on the GPON instead of 72 >> which I like better for future use. >> >> Do these UFiber OLT 1U rackmount units share just 1Gbps per each of the 8 >> ports? That would only be 8Gbps needed total. >> So I assume the GPON spec they are using can transmit more than that per >> each of the 8 GPON ports, right?
Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OLT Transition from Active Ethernet to GPON
I have heard a lot of complaints from DirectCom customers about their Fiber never being close to what they pay for, but that may be more related to the way it's throttled then the GPON. I've been playing with several of these ONT/OLT over the past week. I really like them. Though I have a 50% failure rate on the nanoG's. The fiber port breaks very easily. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Jul 31, 2017, at 2:31 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > We have good luck with 32 customers per 2.4 Gbps down on GPON. Lotsa > overhead. No problems, not even close, so far. And we are selling more Gig > circuits than ever before. > > -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 2:19 PM > To: 'af@afmug.com' > Subject: [AFMUG] UBNT OLT Transition from Active Ethernet to GPON > > Anyone tried their PON OLT CPE and OLT 8 port (128 clients per port) 1U unit? > > I see pricing around $70 retail for OLT, but haven't seen pricing yet for the > OLT 1U unit. > > Also, I'm active fiber right now, so I have full 1 to 1 panels in the rack > already. > > If I wanted to 'migrate' to OLT from active I would need some sort of > transition panel/setup right? > > Right now my density is 48 ports per 1U 1 to 1 single family home connections. > > The UBNT Fiber OLT has 8 ports handling up to 128 clients each, with 20Gbps > uplink capability (not quite sure on those split details yet). > > I currently only take a max of 576 per cabinet on active, so I could easily > use just one of these UBNT fiber OLT units. > If I don't care about the share ratio I guess, I would just get another 576 > panel count that spliced 72 count to each port and I'm done. > > I'm unclear what that panel/splice would look like though since I've never > actually done GPON. > > And I would probably want to not load up that many per port, and instead > maybe get four of the UBNT Fiber OLT units. > That would take up 4U of rack space, the fanout would probably still take up > 4U of rack space, for a total of 8 U. > And I would have instead an 18 customer to 1 port on the GPON instead of 72 > which I like better for future use. > > Do these UFiber OLT 1U rackmount units share just 1Gbps per each of the 8 > ports? That would only be 8Gbps needed total. > So I assume the GPON spec they are using can transmit more than that per each > of the 8 GPON ports, right?
[AFMUG] Security Cameras
This question has been asked a few times, but it's been a while and I cannot find the emails now. I currently have the 720p models of Unifi Cameras. I want to upgrade to something with better resolution (1080p or better) and with PTZ (not all need PTZ, just some). I'd like to be able to record to an NVR I set up and host. Preferably not super complex. I'd like to stick around the same price point of the Unifi video devices. What would you suggest? Does such a product even exist? I need 6 cameras to start with. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield
Re: [AFMUG] Metrolinq power
I'm pretty sure they only work at 24v either VH or passive. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Jul 1, 2017, at 2:00 PM, Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote: > > Probably been asked and answered before, but I read that the 60 says 24/48V > 1.5 amp. So is it 1.5 amp at 24V and .75 amp at 48V? are people running > these off Netonix and if so are they running them off the 48V .75 or 48V HV? > > Thanks for any answers I trust you guys more than anywhere else.. > > > Robert
Re: [AFMUG] Unifi USG VPN
Found it. It just wasn't clear in the release notes. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Jun 20, 2017, at 9:09 PM, Brett A Mansfield <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> > wrote: > > I'm just fine with beta when it comes to UBNT. I've rarely had issues with > them. > > I don't see a beta version that has this feature though. > > Thank you, > Brett A Mansfield > >> On Jun 20, 2017, at 9:01 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: >> >> GA is for squares. For over 5 years I've seen faster feature releases AND >> bug fixes on beta. This is commonly the case on any modern software release. >> >> I guess that's fine if you're okay waiting 6 months to a year for feature >> releases, but anymore most IT moves faster than that and it will cost you >> competitive advantage in the market. >> >> When nervous, push to a pre-prod controller first. >> >> - Josh >> >>> On Jun 20, 2017 9:56 PM, "Brett A Mansfield" <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> >>> wrote: >>> Which version of controller? I'm using the latest GA release and it's not >>> built in. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> Brett A Mansfield >>> >>>> On Jun 20, 2017, at 8:34 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> It's built in to the controller software. >>>> >>>> - Josh >>>> >>>>> On Jun 20, 2017 9:31 PM, "Brett A Mansfield" >>>>> <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote: >>>>> The downside is that it requires radius. It would be nice if it had its >>>>> own built-in authentication. At least on the pro model. I don't want to >>>>> setup a radius server for small businesses to use VPN. If I have to setup >>>>> radius and there is no Domain controller, it's just easier and sometimes >>>>> cheaper to forward the ports to a Mac mini and have it serve strictly as >>>>> the VPN server. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you, >>>>> Brett A Mansfield >>>>> >>>>> > On Jun 20, 2017, at 9:05 AM, Timothy Steele <timothy.pct...@gmail.com> >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > Anyone get remote user VPN working with full unifi setups and care to >>>>> > share? I need to login as a local user and it looks like it finally >>>>> > supports it in the GUI.. >>>>> > >>>>> >
Re: [AFMUG] Unifi USG VPN
I'm just fine with beta when it comes to UBNT. I've rarely had issues with them. I don't see a beta version that has this feature though. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Jun 20, 2017, at 9:01 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: > > GA is for squares. For over 5 years I've seen faster feature releases AND bug > fixes on beta. This is commonly the case on any modern software release. > > I guess that's fine if you're okay waiting 6 months to a year for feature > releases, but anymore most IT moves faster than that and it will cost you > competitive advantage in the market. > > When nervous, push to a pre-prod controller first. > > - Josh > >> On Jun 20, 2017 9:56 PM, "Brett A Mansfield" <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> >> wrote: >> Which version of controller? I'm using the latest GA release and it's not >> built in. >> >> Thank you, >> Brett A Mansfield >> >>> On Jun 20, 2017, at 8:34 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: >>> >>> It's built in to the controller software. >>> >>> - Josh >>> >>>> On Jun 20, 2017 9:31 PM, "Brett A Mansfield" >>>> <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote: >>>> The downside is that it requires radius. It would be nice if it had its >>>> own built-in authentication. At least on the pro model. I don't want to >>>> setup a radius server for small businesses to use VPN. If I have to setup >>>> radius and there is no Domain controller, it's just easier and sometimes >>>> cheaper to forward the ports to a Mac mini and have it serve strictly as >>>> the VPN server. >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> Brett A Mansfield >>>> >>>> > On Jun 20, 2017, at 9:05 AM, Timothy Steele <timothy.pct...@gmail.com> >>>> > wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Anyone get remote user VPN working with full unifi setups and care to >>>> > share? I need to login as a local user and it looks like it finally >>>> > supports it in the GUI.. >>>> > >>>> >
Re: [AFMUG] Unifi USG VPN
Which version of controller? I'm using the latest GA release and it's not built in. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Jun 20, 2017, at 8:34 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: > > It's built in to the controller software. > > - Josh > >> On Jun 20, 2017 9:31 PM, "Brett A Mansfield" <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> >> wrote: >> The downside is that it requires radius. It would be nice if it had its own >> built-in authentication. At least on the pro model. I don't want to setup a >> radius server for small businesses to use VPN. If I have to setup radius and >> there is no Domain controller, it's just easier and sometimes cheaper to >> forward the ports to a Mac mini and have it serve strictly as the VPN server. >> >> Thank you, >> Brett A Mansfield >> >> > On Jun 20, 2017, at 9:05 AM, Timothy Steele <timothy.pct...@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> > Anyone get remote user VPN working with full unifi setups and care to >> > share? I need to login as a local user and it looks like it finally >> > supports it in the GUI.. >> > >> >
Re: [AFMUG] Unifi USG VPN
The downside is that it requires radius. It would be nice if it had its own built-in authentication. At least on the pro model. I don't want to setup a radius server for small businesses to use VPN. If I have to setup radius and there is no Domain controller, it's just easier and sometimes cheaper to forward the ports to a Mac mini and have it serve strictly as the VPN server. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Jun 20, 2017, at 9:05 AM, Timothy Steele <timothy.pct...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Anyone get remote user VPN working with full unifi setups and care to share? > I need to login as a local user and it looks like it finally supports it in > the GUI.. > >
Re: [AFMUG] 1Gb 12 miles
I was just wondering. If such a radio existed, and I'm sure it does. I think I've decided to just use 3 AF24HD links in a daisy chain. I was just hoping to not have to find way points. Thanks everyone for the input. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Jun 10, 2017, at 7:43 AM, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote: > > This is not a good idea unless you live somewhere it never rains. > >> On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 8:34 AM, Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> if you can find another hop in the middle of the link do two AF24HD links at >> 6 miles each >> >>> On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 5:53 AM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> >>> wrote: >>> Link aGgregate 2 AF11x links, both have to have epic and 80 mhz channels >>> >>> On 6/9/17, 9:51 PM, "Af on behalf of Brett A Mansfield" >>> >>> >>> Gino A. Villarini >>> >>> President >>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 >>> >>> >>> <af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote: >>> >>> >I think it might be. >>> > >>> >Thank you, >>> >Brett A Mansfield >>> > >>> >> On Jun 9, 2017, at 7:32 PM, Jay Weekley <par...@cyberbroadband.net> >>> >>> >>wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Is this a case of you can have fast, cheap and reliable but you can >>> >>only pick 2? >>> >> >>> >> Brett A Mansfield wrote: >>> >>> I have no specific preference. But I need it soon, I need 2Gb >>> >>>aggregate, and I need it cheap (which is relative). I know I may have >>> >>>to give one of those up, but I'm trying not to have to. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Brett A Mansfield >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 5:34 PM, Colin Stanners <cstann...@gmail.com >>> >>>><mailto:cstann...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> 11 / 15 / 18ghz depending on your uptime, rain zone, dish size >>> >>>>requirements or limitations. Two single polarity radios or one XPIC... >>> >>>>Any preferred licensed manifacturer? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Jun 9, 2017 6:27 PM, "Brett A Mansfield" >>> >>>><li...@silverlakeinternet.com <mailto:li...@silverlakeinternet.com>> >>> >>>>wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>>What would be the best (and cheapest) way of transmitting a gig >>> >>>>(2Gb aggregate) 12 miles? >>> >>>> >>> >>>>Thank you, >>> >>>>Brett A Mansfield >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>><http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email_source=link >>> >>>_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient>Virus-free. www.avg.com >>> >>><http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email_source=link >>> >>>_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient> >>> >>> >>> >>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>> >> >>> >> > > > > -- > Adair Winter > VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner > Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 > C: 806.231.7180 > http://www.amarillowireless.net > > > >
Re: [AFMUG] 1Gb 12 miles
I think it might be. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Jun 9, 2017, at 7:32 PM, Jay Weekley <par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote: > > Is this a case of you can have fast, cheap and reliable but you can only pick > 2? > > Brett A Mansfield wrote: >> I have no specific preference. But I need it soon, I need 2Gb aggregate, and >> I need it cheap (which is relative). I know I may have to give one of those >> up, but I'm trying not to have to. >> >> Thank you, >> Brett A Mansfield >> >>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 5:34 PM, Colin Stanners <cstann...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:cstann...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> 11 / 15 / 18ghz depending on your uptime, rain zone, dish size requirements >>> or limitations. Two single polarity radios or one XPIC... Any preferred >>> licensed manifacturer? >>> >>> On Jun 9, 2017 6:27 PM, "Brett A Mansfield" <li...@silverlakeinternet.com >>> <mailto:li...@silverlakeinternet.com>> wrote: >>> >>>What would be the best (and cheapest) way of transmitting a gig >>>(2Gb aggregate) 12 miles? >>> >>>Thank you, >>>Brett A Mansfield >>> >>> >> >> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient> >> Virus-free. www.avg.com >> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient> >> >> >> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >
Re: [AFMUG] 1Gb 12 miles
I have no specific preference. But I need it soon, I need 2Gb aggregate, and I need it cheap (which is relative). I know I may have to give one of those up, but I'm trying not to have to. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Jun 9, 2017, at 5:34 PM, Colin Stanners <cstann...@gmail.com> wrote: > > 11 / 15 / 18ghz depending on your uptime, rain zone, dish size requirements > or limitations. Two single polarity radios or one XPIC... Any preferred > licensed manifacturer? > > On Jun 9, 2017 6:27 PM, "Brett A Mansfield" <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> > wrote: > What would be the best (and cheapest) way of transmitting a gig (2Gb > aggregate) 12 miles? > > Thank you, > Brett A Mansfield >
[AFMUG] 1Gb 12 miles
What would be the best (and cheapest) way of transmitting a gig (2Gb aggregate) 12 miles? Thank you, Brett A Mansfield
Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
I don't know about everywhere else, but RPG in Utah is Role Playing Game. At least we won't be bored. I'll bring 100k rounds of ammo and my arsenal of guns to go with it. 3 9mm, 2 .380s, 2 12 gauge shotguns, 2 AR 15s, a 30-06, and 5 22 long rifles Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On May 26, 2017, at 3:17 PM, Jay Weekley <par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote: > > I'll bring the RPGs. > > Jeremy wrote: >> LMAO! >> >> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Chris Wright <ch...@velociter.net >> <mailto:ch...@velociter.net>> wrote: >> >>Apocalypse party at Chuck's house! I'll be coming from California >>so I'll bring my lack of foresight and a vast sense of entitlement. >> >>Chris Wright >>Network Administrator >> >>-Original Message- >>From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com >><mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews >>Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 1:23 PM >>To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage >> >>That was my first thought... Prepper garage... >> >>On 05/26/2017 11:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> >>wrote: >>> Well, it is Utah... >>> >>> *From:* Cameron Crum >>> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 12:14 PM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage >>> >>> That looks more like a bunker. >>> >>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:41 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com >><mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Slightly more than B deck but no posts or pillars >>underneath. It >>> gets a 3" cap of concrete poured over it. >>> >>> -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson >>> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:26 AM >>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage >>> >>> >>> I'm totally doing that on my next house. >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com >><mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com >><mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> >>> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:04 AM >>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Garage >>> >>> Got my floor/ceiling installed this morning. I do not >>understand >>> why they did not start at one end and place them all in a >>sequence. >>> When they came to install this last slab, the hole was too >>large and >>> they had to scootch everything around. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient> >> Virus-free. www.avg.com >> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient> >> >> >> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >
Re: [AFMUG] extending fiber with RF
I'd recommend a UBNT Prism or the AF-5x. They have the power consumption and
bandwidth capability you're looking for, and they are very cheap. They will
also never have rain fade at that distance.
Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield
> On May 22, 2017, at 1:06 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
> Too much power. I don’t want to exceed 20 watts total. So one end of a
> radio needs to be in the 5-7 watt range.
>
> From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 2:04 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] extending fiber with RF
>
> Then do a 24 GHz system. That can go 2-1/2 miles with 5 nines. Low
> interference. Will eat around 50 watts at each end though.
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
>> On 5/22/2017 12:47 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> Scared of new technology.
>> Seems a bit too long range for that freq.
>> Worried about not enough time has elapsed to prove them out.
>> They sound expensive.
>> Everybody knows 60 GHz is all absorbed by the oxygen anyhow...
>> Not sure God would approve...
>>
>> You all the same normal reasons...
>>
>> From: Brett A Mansfield
>> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 1:44 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] extending fiber with RF
>>
>> For so little throughput a 5GHz setup would be the cheapest and probably
>> best setup.
>>
>> What keeps you from being a believer of the 60GHz? I can show you the
>> history of some of my Ignitenet links that may just change your mind.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Brett A Mansfield
>>
>>> On May 22, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Not a believer yet. And we only need 100-250 Mbps max to the homes.
>>> Actually probably more like 50 or 100 Mbps.
>>> Want it to be simple too. ONT has multiple ethernet ports on it. Just
>>> extend those physical layer 0/1 connections.
>>>
>>> From: Cameron Crum
>>> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 1:34 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] extending fiber with RF
>>>
>>> What about a couple of 60GHz links with a single 5GHz AP as a backup? We
>>> did this for a bank that needed to connect two buildings temporarily. Put a
>>> MT on either side that ran IPSEC tunnel over the link with a failover
>>> script to route traffic over the 5 GHz link if the 60 lost more than 50% of
>>> it's packets. The 5 GHz was slower, but they still had connectivity in the
>>> even of a heavy rain.
>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 2:28 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>> Still puzzling over how to get ethernet the last 3000 feet. I have fiber
>>>> to a point along a rural road. The end is about 2000 feet from one home
>>>> and 3000 feet from another.
>>>>
>>>> Was looking at using the existing copper with VDSL line extenders. That
>>>> was what that week of math problems was all about. I am starting to lean
>>>> away from that solution because it is old copper. I really want to stop
>>>> using it.
>>>>
>>>> I don’t have a ROW that is legal. The old copper technically is in
>>>> trespass and the owner of the property is known to be a major PITA. So
>>>> not sure if I can get permission. Even then, we are talking about 5000
>>>> feet of fiber to place. There will be some money involved.
>>>>
>>>> Using wireless could be much cheaper. Will have to do a solar install
>>>> with the ONT and RF gear on a stub pole at the handhole.
>>>>
>>>> Not sure what kid of RF. Don’t want to use an AP because I need two layer
>>>> 2 connections from the ONT. Be more expensive to use an APanyhow.
>>>> So two PTP systems. Rock solid, never fail type of system. Noise floor
>>>> down there is probably pretty low.
>>>> I could use a pair of rockets etc. Not wanting to lo-ball this, want it
>>>> to be very solid.
>>>>
>>>> What would you use?
>>>
>>>
>
Re: [AFMUG] extending fiber with RF
For so little throughput a 5GHz setup would be the cheapest and probably best setup. What keeps you from being a believer of the 60GHz? I can show you the history of some of my Ignitenet links that may just change your mind. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On May 22, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > Not a believer yet. And we only need 100-250 Mbps max to the homes. > Actually probably more like 50 or 100 Mbps. > Want it to be simple too. ONT has multiple ethernet ports on it. Just > extend those physical layer 0/1 connections. > > From: Cameron Crum > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 1:34 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] extending fiber with RF > > What about a couple of 60GHz links with a single 5GHz AP as a backup? We did > this for a bank that needed to connect two buildings temporarily. Put a MT on > either side that ran IPSEC tunnel over the link with a failover script to > route traffic over the 5 GHz link if the 60 lost more than 50% of it's > packets. The 5 GHz was slower, but they still had connectivity in the even of > a heavy rain. > >> On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 2:28 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >> Still puzzling over how to get ethernet the last 3000 feet. I have fiber to >> a point along a rural road. The end is about 2000 feet from one home and >> 3000 feet from another. >> >> Was looking at using the existing copper with VDSL line extenders. That was >> what that week of math problems was all about. I am starting to lean away >> from that solution because it is old copper. I really want to stop using it. >> >> I don’t have a ROW that is legal. The old copper technically is in trespass >> and the owner of the property is known to be a major PITA. So not sure if I >> can get permission. Even then, we are talking about 5000 feet of fiber to >> place. There will be some money involved. >> >> Using wireless could be much cheaper. Will have to do a solar install with >> the ONT and RF gear on a stub pole at the handhole. >> >> Not sure what kid of RF. Don’t want to use an AP because I need two layer 2 >> connections from the ONT. Be more expensive to use an AP anyhow. So two >> PTP systems. Rock solid, never fail type of system. Noise floor down >> there is probably pretty low. >> I could use a pair of rockets etc. Not wanting to lo-ball this, want it to >> be very solid. >> >> What would you use? > >
Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?
1500m is exactly what I meant. AKA 1.5 km. I thought I'd have constant rain
fade, but it's only switched to the 5GHz backup once and that was in very heavy
rain. The links are just below 1500. One is 1486m and another is about 1440m.
I'm not sure what my other two are exactly, but pretty close to the same.
I've had the same amount of rain fade as with my AF24 at 3 miles.
The PtMP on the other hand fades a lot more in the rain. But it's not often we
get sustained rain storms in Utah. They're usually gone as fast as the came.
All of my PtMP links that are shorter (sub 500 m) have never faded out in the
rain.
60GHz is great! It certainly has its place. I'm using them for more than I
should probably, but a gig for $1100 60GHz vs 24GHz 775Mb for $3000 when it's a
short link? That's a no brainer.
Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield
> On May 8, 2017, at 3:50 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 1500m between two 30 or 60 cm dishes?
>
> Fades a bit in rain? You sure you mean 1500m and not 1500 ft?
>
> 1500m is way too far for 60 GHz PTP unless you're in the Libyan desert.
>
>
>
>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 2:48 PM, Brett A Mansfield
>> <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:
>> I have a few PTP 60GHz links at 1500 meters working perfectly at -61. Sure
>> it fades in heavy rain a tiny bit, but no more than my 3 mile 24GHz links.
>>
>> I also have several PtMP links as far as 800 meters working well with -65 or
>> better.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Brett A Mansfield
>>
>>> On May 8, 2017, at 3:43 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Even if it existed 2000 ft is wildly optimistic. 60 GHz works at 600 meters
>>> (just about 2000 ft for you Americans) between two PTP dishes because you
>>> have 44-45dBi gain dishes on both ends. Would not be the case with any sort
>>> of 60 GHz sector antenna, you'd be looking at much less gain.
>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 2:39 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Very location specific. None of our towers would be able to serve anyone
>>>> with that kind of range.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> bp
>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/8/2017 2:15 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>>>> Indeed... don't underestimate what can be done with a 2000' range. I can
>>>>> probably cover a hundred houses with that from the tower next to where
>>>>> I'm sitting.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 3:37 PM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I concur
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Sterling Jacobson
>>>>>> <sterl...@avative.net>
>>>>>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>>>>> Date: Monday, May 8, 2017 at 4:31 PM
>>>>>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lots.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lots of places.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I’ve got, and can get fiber up main roads in neighborhoods very easily.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What costs me is the last mile backbone that winds across streets and
>>>>>> through ROW in front of houses etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is the majority of my costs right there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I can get in with ‘normal’ wireless pricing per AP/CPE but at
>>>>>> 1000Mbps I can do the hybrid model easily at much less costs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It will be amazing for potential customers at the moment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Might not hold up over time as bandwidth needs increase, but provides an
>>>>>> immediate solution at a fraction of the cost of fiber, with the ‘feel’
>>>>>> of fiber.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 2:29 PM
>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How many places do you want to install a PtMP system that goes a maximum
>>>>>> of 1000-2000ft distance, that fiber does not work?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>>>>>
>>>>>> President
>>>>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> What am I missing here?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can't Cambium and UBNT and others simply overlay the same radio
>>>>>> architecture/software they have developed over a decade, on top of a
>>>>>> 60GHz radio instead of 5Ghz?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there some fundamental problem with using the same PHY later
>>>>>> protocols on 60GHz vs 5GHz?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?
I have a few PTP 60GHz links at 1500 meters working perfectly at -61. Sure it
fades in heavy rain a tiny bit, but no more than my 3 mile 24GHz links.
I also have several PtMP links as far as 800 meters working well with -65 or
better.
Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield
> On May 8, 2017, at 3:43 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Even if it existed 2000 ft is wildly optimistic. 60 GHz works at 600 meters
> (just about 2000 ft for you Americans) between two PTP dishes because you
> have 44-45dBi gain dishes on both ends. Would not be the case with any sort
> of 60 GHz sector antenna, you'd be looking at much less gain.
>
>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 2:39 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Very location specific. None of our towers would be able to serve anyone
>> with that kind of range.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>>> On 5/8/2017 2:15 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>> Indeed... don't underestimate what can be done with a 2000' range. I can
>>> probably cover a hundred houses with that from the tower next to where I'm
>>> sitting.
>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 3:37 PM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> I concur
>>>>
>>>> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Sterling Jacobson
>>>> <sterl...@avative.net>
>>>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>>> Date: Monday, May 8, 2017 at 4:31 PM
>>>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?
>>>>
>>>> Lots.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Lots of places.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I’ve got, and can get fiber up main roads in neighborhoods very easily.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What costs me is the last mile backbone that winds across streets and
>>>> through ROW in front of houses etc.
>>>>
>>>> That is the majority of my costs right there.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If I can get in with ‘normal’ wireless pricing per AP/CPE but at 1000Mbps
>>>> I can do the hybrid model easily at much less costs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It will be amazing for potential customers at the moment.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Might not hold up over time as bandwidth needs increase, but provides an
>>>> immediate solution at a fraction of the cost of fiber, with the ‘feel’ of
>>>> fiber.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 2:29 PM
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How many places do you want to install a PtMP system that goes a maximum
>>>> of 1000-2000ft distance, that fiber does not work?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>>>
>>>> President
>>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> What am I missing here?
>>>>
>>>> Can't Cambium and UBNT and others simply overlay the same radio
>>>> architecture/software they have developed over a decade, on top of a 60GHz
>>>> radio instead of 5Ghz?
>>>>
>>>> Is there some fundamental problem with using the same PHY later protocols
>>>> on 60GHz vs 5GHz?
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>
>
[AFMUG] Underwater fiber
I am working on getting a link over a lake that is 12 miles wide. The lake is only 8 feet deep (Utah Lake in Utah County Utah). I don't really have the means to run Fiber at the bottom of this lake, but it made me curious how someone would go about it? What kind of cable would be required, how would it be permitted, is this a common practice, etc? I just wanted to get people's thoughts on it. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield
Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz license cost
It is mimosa. It's a really neat tool. Design.mimosa.co/designtool/ndt You have to sign up for an account. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Apr 13, 2017, at 1:37 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > Is it Mimosa that has that cool tool showing all the licensed links in your > area? I looked for it but didn’t find it. > > From: Josh Luthman > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 1:34 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz license cost > > It's done per site. > > If it's modifying the site, I think it's 260. If there's nothing on it and > you're adding new, 520. > > Worst case both sites are new making the cost about 1040 > > You also need to pay for a frequency, Liz does for pretty much everyone here > https://www.intelpath.com/ > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > >> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 3:28 PM, Brett A Mansfield >> <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote: >> I'm looking at getting my first 11 GHz link and wondering if anyone can >> share the approximate cost of licensing the link? I'm looking for total cost >> minushardware including hidden costs that I might not expect. >> >> Thank you, >> Brett A Mansfield > >
[AFMUG] 11GHz license cost
I'm looking at getting my first 11 GHz link and wondering if anyone can share the approximate cost of licensing the link? I'm looking for total cost minus hardware including hidden costs that I might not expect. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield
Re: [AFMUG] Current state of Hybrid Fiber/Wireless
I have an Ignitenet PtP link that is half a mile that doesn't fade in the rain. I'm sure it will if it gets really heavy. There has been rain, but not heavy rain since I installed this link. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Apr 4, 2017, at 9:52 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > Vivint and Google are both saying they are doing this. No idea what kid of > radios they are using. I talked to a couple of Vivint locals at the > AnimalFarm show. They both claim to be getting 1 Gbps at their home with the > millimeter radio. I think it was 60 GHz. I asked them if it stays up during > rain and snow. They claimed it did. Assuming the path was a quarter mile or > less. > > -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson > Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 9:47 AM > To: 'af@afmug.com' > Subject: [AFMUG] Current state of Hybrid Fiber/Wireless > > Where are we with this concept as a WISP industry? > > Let's say I have $200k to invest and already have mainline fiber in or near > to the neighborhoods. > > What equipment do I buy to get the best speeds to residential and small > business customers? > > Is there equipment in the 60GHz or similar bands that are for sale/ready for > use? > > Is the topology still to connect a house or two in the area with fiber and > LOS to everyone else and deploy PtMP? > > Thoughts?
Re: [AFMUG] Current state of Hybrid Fiber/Wireless
There are the Ignitenet 60GHz radios. They are great! I can show you how I am setting a new deployment of them very soon. It limits how many APs are required. I'm able to get a consistent 900Mb over PtMP. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Apr 4, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> wrote: > > Where are we with this concept as a WISP industry? > > Let's say I have $200k to invest and already have mainline fiber in or near > to the neighborhoods. > > What equipment do I buy to get the best speeds to residential and small > business customers? > > Is there equipment in the 60GHz or similar bands that are for sale/ready for > use? > > Is the topology still to connect a house or two in the area with fiber and > LOS to everyone else and deploy PtMP? > > Thoughts?
[AFMUG] Conduit
Where is the best and least expensive place to get conduit? I'm looking for both drop and long haul. What should I expect to pay for these? I'm thinking 1.5 - 2" long haul and .5" - 1" drop for Fiber. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield
Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having issues with google dns?
I know it's not normal, but I use a couple of Mac servers for DNS. They're very easy to deploy and manage, and very little effort to make them and keep them redundant. When I say berry little, I mean it's a single check box. They are more reliable than any other server I have. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Mar 30, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Matt <matt.mailingli...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Speaking of that what is everyone using for a DNS resolver now days? > > > > On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Dennis Burgess > <dmburg...@linktechs.net> wrote: >> Why you should have your own DNS servers :) >> >> >> Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant >> MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE >> >> For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net >> Radio Frequency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com >> Office: 314-735-0270 >> E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart >> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 10:19 AM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: [AFMUG] anybody else having issues with google dns? >> >> Is anybody else having issues with google dns? because when I ping 8.8.8.8 I >> get timedout or takes forever to load google.com >> >> >>
Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines
We need a like button for this. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Feb 23, 2017, at 12:54 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > There are national fire codes that most jurisdictions adopt. > Same as the NEC etc. > > Irrespective of actual ordinances, the alarm companies are the ones setting > the standards if no one else is. I have been on both sides of this arguments > when doing installs. If I am the regulated ILEC I raise holy hell if they > don’t want my line. If I am the unregulated wisp or FTTH provider I raise > holy hell in defying them to prove that my ATA or ONT is not good enough and > that their pots comes from the equivalent technology out in that box along > the highway. > > I am flexible. > > > > From: Faisal Imtiaz > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 12:49 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines > > Chuck, > > I have to disagree with you on part of your statement > > Local ordinances vary from region to region > > Fire Alarms ... are very particular, and require TWO POTS phone lines > (at least in our region)... nothing else is acceptable > > Elevators ... no such requirement... the Emergency phone is typically auto > call to the Maint Company.. most places do not have any specified > requirements other than ... it needs a phone line. (it is not a free dial > phone, you cannot call 911 on it for example... ) > > I cannot speak for bank vaults :) > > Regards. > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > > From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 11:46:40 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines > Fire codes require them for elevators and bank vaults and most alarm > companies want them too. Especially for the fire alarm panel. > > Does not require power, it is arguably the most reliable phone line you can > get, especially if it comes directly from the central office. But even if > coming from a DLC it will still be up 8 hours after the power goes out. I > understand why code requires it, and I somewhat agree. VOIP, ATA, WISP even > FTTH ONT circuits will not be as reliable. > > From: Adam Moffett > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:51 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines > > Yes, check local ordinances. > Here it's not specifically an analog POTS line, but the line and anything it > relies on (PBX, etc) has to operate without external power for some number of > hours. > > I would argue that a POTS line *is* the best way. Yes an ATA and a UPS meet > the letter of the law, but who is checking the battery on the UPS? Who > reboots the ATA if it's locked up? etc. The POTS line has no components > outside of the CO, and the CO is maintained by the LEC. > > Not that I don't want you to sell another VoIP line, but do *you* want to be > the one getting in trouble if someone is stuck in the elevator and can't call > for help? > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net> > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: 2/23/2017 9:40:04 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines > > Need to check with your local ordinances... > > In many places, folks are under a mis-impression that a hard line is > required... (they confuse it with a dedicated line) > > We have clients that have voip phone line for the elevator. (using an ATA). > > Regards. > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > > From: "Dave" <dmilho...@wletc.com> > To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:27:28 AM > Subject: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines > Someone needs to reach out to the yahoos concerned with elevators that HAVE > TO HAVE a quote "Hardline". > I think we are in the 21st century and hard-lines I would think are about > gone. > A company in town here had an issue getting a hardline from ATT for their > elevator. They paid out the waazoo to get one just > to satisfy safety requirements on the elevator... wTF. > A reliable internet service would satisfy this I am sure with certain caveats > in place IE UPS Backup when power fails for demarc in the building. > > > -- > >
Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines
This was a business on the west side of the Salt Lake Valley. They could get CenturyLink, but it wouldn't have been built out in time though. I don't provide them with internet service or anything of the sort. I'm their outsourced IT department. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Feb 23, 2017, at 10:29 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > Most customers are within the boundary of a Local Exchange Carrier with a > Certificate of Public Convenience and Necessity issued by the state public > utilitity regulators. And, they are typically the COLR or POLR Provider > (Carrier) Of Last Resort. Being such they cannot refuse to provide a POTS > line. > > Where was the location that a POLR did not exist? Almost all of Utah has a > POLR. The only places open, don't have any people living in them, like out > in the desert on BLM land. > > -Original Message- From: Brett A Mansfield > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 10:25 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines > > They don't require a computer anymore. > > I have some customers with POTS lines that have had far more issues than any > of my magicJack customers. > > If you can get a POTS line for only $20/mo the that would be great, but this > customer didn't have that option. > > Thank you, > Brett A Mansfield > >>> On Feb 23, 2017, at 10:19 AM, Seth Mattinen <se...@rollernet.us> wrote: >>> >>> On 2/23/17 09:11, Chuck McCown wrote: >>> I have mixed emotions. If you got stuck in an elevator, bank vault or >>> burning building which would you rather have connected, magic jack or a >>> good old fashioned POTS line on good copper? >> >> >> Who wouldn't prefer a magicjack connected to a random desktop? >
Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines
They don't require a computer anymore. I have some customers with POTS lines that have had far more issues than any of my magicJack customers. If you can get a POTS line for only $20/mo the that would be great, but this customer didn't have that option. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Feb 23, 2017, at 10:19 AM, Seth Mattinen <se...@rollernet.us> wrote: > >> On 2/23/17 09:11, Chuck McCown wrote: >> I have mixed emotions. If you got stuck in an elevator, bank vault or >> burning building which would you rather have connected, magic jack or a >> good old fashioned POTS line on good copper? > > > Who wouldn't prefer a magicjack connected to a random desktop?
Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines
I had a customer here in Utah that didn't have their phone line installed in time for their inspection. 30 min before the inspector got there we bought a magicJack and a desktop UPS for it (internet router and connected switch already had a UPS large enough to last 72 hours). When the inspector saw it he said that was a great setup. The companies owner decided to cancel his order for the other phone line. It was $35/yr vs $79/mo. It's been a year and haven't had any issues. They test it monthly. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Feb 23, 2017, at 9:46 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > Fire codes require them for elevators and bank vaults and most alarm > companies want them too. Especially for the fire alarm panel. > > Does not require power, it is arguably the most reliable phone line you can > get, especially if it comes directly from the central office. But even if > coming from a DLC it will still be up 8 hours after the power goes out. I > understand why code requires it, and I somewhat agree. VOIP, ATA, WISP even > FTTH ONT circuits will not be as reliable. > > From: Adam Moffett > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:51 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines > > Yes, check local ordinances. > Here it's not specifically an analog POTS line, but the line and anything it > relies on (PBX, etc) has to operate without external power for some number of > hours. > > I would argue that a POTS line *is* the best way. Yes an ATA and a UPS meet > the letter of the law, but who is checking the battery on the UPS? Who > reboots the ATA if it's locked up? etc. The POTS line has no components > outside of the CO, and the CO is maintained by the LEC. > > Not that I don't want you to sell another VoIP line, but do *you* want to be > the one getting in trouble if someone is stuck in the elevator and can't call > for help? > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net> > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: 2/23/2017 9:40:04 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines > >> Need to check with your local ordinances... >> >> In many places, folks are under a mis-impression that a hard line is >> required... (they confuse it with a dedicated line) >> >> We have clients that have voip phone line for the elevator. (using an ATA). >> >> Regards. >> >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> 7266 SW 48 Street >> Miami, FL 33155 >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >> >> From: "Dave" <dmilho...@wletc.com> >> To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> >> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:27:28 AM >> Subject: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines >> Someone needs to reach out to the yahoos concerned with elevators that HAVE >> TO HAVE a quote "Hardline". >> I think we are in the 21st century and hard-lines I would think are about >> gone. >> A company in town here had an issue getting a hardline from ATT for their >> elevator. They paid out the waazoo to get one just >> to satisfy safety requirements on the elevator... wTF. >> A reliable internet service would satisfy this I am sure with certain >> caveats in place IE UPS Backup when power fails for demarc in the building. >> >> >> -- >>
Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput
Okay, so in The valley I'm looking at there is one 6GHz link that is nowhere I near where I plan to put mine, there are two 11GHz links, neither of which would cross paths with mine, no 13 GHz at all, and two small links in 18 and 23 GHz that might conflict. Now to start looking at a product to use. What do people recommend for 6 and 11 GHz? Would it be cheaper and easier to just put up a few hops and use the AF? What do you guys suggest? I got the exact path length. It's only a mere 8 miles. I really thought it would be 15, but I was pleasantly mistaken. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Feb 9, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > My teachers told me about the coming ice age... > > From: Jaime Solorza > Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2017 12:42 PM > To: Animal Farm > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput > > Trust the math... It's science and engineering based Like global > warming Zaz. Too easy Recipes on the way > >> On Feb 9, 2017 9:27 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >> Something else that gets some people into trouble is the difference in how >> path loss and rain fade act with increased distance. The post Mike linked >> to makes thisclear. >> >> >> >> We get used to double the distance = 6 dB more path loss, which can be made >> up via antenna gain. >> >> >> >> But double the distance potentially means double the rain fade in dB. So 40 >> dB could become 80 dB. You’re not going to make that up with bigger dishes. >> >> >> >> Of course, your local weather patterns are also a factor. If you typically >> get big storms with heavy rain for 20+ miles, this analysis is correct. But >> if you typically get little popup storms, or front boundaries that move >> across a microwave path without actually raining on the entire path, this >> analysis is overly pessimistic. It also matters whether the path is >> north-south or east-west, if like us you typically get storms moving from >> west to east. >> >> >> >> How people use the Internet is also a factor. It used to be, as long as you >> could get email and look stuff up on Google, your Internet was working. But >> now if an HD video stream stops to rebuffer, you have “no Internet”. Which >> may seem silly to us, but if watching movies is the only thing you use the >> Internet for, and you can’t watch movies, then your Internet is broken. And >> while 10 years ago people were doing totally new things via the Internet, >> today they are more likely replacing something like satellite TV with a >> streaming service to save money or add convenience. But they still expect >> DirecTV Now to be as simple and reliable as broadcast TV, they don’t expect >> to pay more for their Internet, but whenever there’s a problem they are told >> it must be their crappy Internet. >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard >> Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 9:58 AM >> To: af <af@afmug.com> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput >> >> >> >> Yeah, I really don't trust them that much either, but they're certainly >> useful for getting an idea of how different areas compare. Things will >> certainly work differently in Utah than they do for us in southern >> Wisconsin/northern Illinois. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 9:53 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >> >> Assuming you trust the models. >> >> I for one, don't. >> >> https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp/posts/956205354504917?match=cmFpbg%3D%3D >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> >> Midwest Internet Exchange >> >> The Brothers WISP >> >> >> >> >> From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com> >> To: "af" <af@afmug.com> >> Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 9:29:53 AM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput >> >> It may not be a rain forest, but it's not a desert either... there's going >> to be a big difference between rainzones K and B. According to Mimosa's >> design tool, the Rain Fade in Utah would only be around 17db, which should >> make 15 miles easily doable at 11ghz. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 9:54 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >> >> At 15 miles in 11 GHz
Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput
What does it take to get licensed in 6 GHz? Is it more difficult to get that license that it is 11 GHz? Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Feb 9, 2017, at 12:07 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > > In heavier rain zones, being able to use dishes as small as 3 ft in 6 GHz has > been a game changer. Back when FCC minimum was 6 ft dish, that was not > feasible on many sites, due to structural issues or tower rent. Rain fade > much less of an issue at 6 GHz, but need to watch out for multipath similar > to 5 GHz. > > > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke > Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 12:49 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput > > What do you mean, not a chance at 18? If you can design for ACM and rain > fade, yes. I know the typical afmug purchase considers them too pricey but > there are lots of high quality, dual polarity 4' and 6' size 18 GHz dishes. > > I would not be excessively scared of 15 miles at 18 GHz with big dishes. > > > > On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 5:42 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > Not a chance at 18. Maybe 11, but that's even far for 11 GHz without huge > dishes. > > Play with Mimosa's designer, Cambium's LinkPlanner, etc. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > From: "Brett A Mansfield" <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 7:38:58 PM > Subject: [AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput > > Hi, > > I've never yet done a licensed link and there is plenty of these two > frequencies available in my area. I need to be able to get 500Mbps at about > 15 miles. Is that possible with either of these? > > What kind of real world speeds can I expect out of these and what channel > size do I need to license to get those speeds? > > Is there something else I should consider? What brand/model radios and > dishes, what other frequencies for easier licensing, etc? > > It would be great to be able to get a gig that distance, but I'm trying to be > realistic and get just what I really need to start with. > > No legal advice please, just your experience with it and any knowledge you'd > be able/willing to share with the licensing of these frequencies. > > Thank you, > Brett A Mansfield > >
[AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput
Hi, I've never yet done a licensed link and there is plenty of these two frequencies available in my area. I need to be able to get 500Mbps at about 15 miles. Is that possible with either of these? What kind of real world speeds can I expect out of these and what channel size do I need to license to get those speeds? Is there something else I should consider? What brand/model radios and dishes, what other frequencies for easier licensing, etc? It would be great to be able to get a gig that distance, but I'm trying to be realistic and get just what I really need to start with. No legal advice please, just your experience with it and any knowledge you'd be able/willing to share with the licensing of these frequencies. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield
Re: [AFMUG] Proxmox
Hi Jason, You can create a cluster without external storage, but because it is syncronys replication it will double your write hit. But if you have a solid network and solid drives you'll barely notice if at all. For backups I recommend you use separate storage. Otherwise your risking losing your data if your primary raid array dies. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Feb 8, 2017, at 10:06 AM, Jason McKemie <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> > wrote: > > To those of you out there using Proxmox, I have a couple questions. > > I started messing around with this a year or so ago, but have really just > started to use it in a production environment. > > The main thing I'm wondering about is if it is necessary to have a separate > storage server in place to operate a cluster, or if it is possible to use the > drive(s) on each node. > > Additionally, is a separate storage server necessary to do backups? It isn't > obvious to me that there is any way to create or store a backup without some > sort of network storage that is external to the node(s). > > I'm obviously new at this virtualization / container thing, so, sorry if > these questions sound stupid. > > TIA > > -Jason > >
Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver
You could also check these out. Streakwave has 14 in stock in Utah right now. It's not many, but they get a steady flow of them. https://reseller.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=F-POE=0 Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Feb 6, 2017, at 5:09 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> wrote: > > I forgot about those. > > I’ll have to look around. > > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield > Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 4:57 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver > > Can you find any of these? > > https://routerboard.com/RBFTC11 > > Thank you, > Brett A Mansfield > > On Feb 6, 2017, at 4:33 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > Single Family Home > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > From: "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net> > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 5:33:04 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver > > Sorry for the ignorance... > > But what do you mean by "primary SFH" ?? > > SFH = ??? > > Regards. > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > > - Original Message - > > From: "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> > > To: af@afmug.com > > Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 6:23:16 PM > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver > > > I've been using Mikrotik/Routerboard RB260GS switches as my primary SFH > > transceiver for years. > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz > > Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 4:20 PM > > To: af@afmug.com > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver > > > > Pray tell me ... what is this POE Fiber Transceiver you are talking about ? > > I am willing to be enlightened ! > > > > Faisal Imtiaz > > Snappy Internet & Telecom > > 7266 SW 48 Street > > Miami, FL 33155 > > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > > > > - Original Message - > >> From: "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> > >> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> > >> Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 5:58:18 PM > >> Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver > > > >> Looks like the RB260GS modules I use for POE fiber transceiver are > >> backordered until next never. > >> > >> Are there any alternatives? > >> > > > Seems like all the regular transceivers are not POE. >
Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver
Can you find any of these? https://routerboard.com/RBFTC11 Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Feb 6, 2017, at 4:33 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > Single Family Home > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > > From: "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net> > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 5:33:04 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver > > Sorry for the ignorance... > > But what do you mean by "primary SFH" ?? > > SFH = ??? > > Regards. > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > > - Original Message - > > From: "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> > > To: af@afmug.com > > Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 6:23:16 PM > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver > > > I've been using Mikrotik/Routerboard RB260GS switches as my primary SFH > > transceiver for years. > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz > > Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 4:20 PM > > To: af@afmug.com > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver > > > > Pray tell me ... what is this POE Fiber Transceiver you are talking about ? > > I am willing to be enlightened ! > > > > Faisal Imtiaz > > Snappy Internet & Telecom > > 7266 SW 48 Street > > Miami, FL 33155 > > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > > > > - Original Message - > >> From: "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> > >> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> > >> Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 5:58:18 PM > >> Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver > > > >> Looks like the RB260GS modules I use for POE fiber transceiver are > >> backordered until next never. > >> > >> Are there any alternatives? > >> > > > Seems like all the regular transceivers are not POE. >
Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver
If you're talking the full switch then I would start using their new CRS. The downside is you would need a copper SFP for each port if you're connecting regular twisted pair. But they have the full RouterOS Level 5 license. If it's for a single family dwelling then you can use the one copper port and not need any extra SFPs. https://routerboard.com/CRS106-1C-5S Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Feb 6, 2017, at 3:58 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> wrote: > > Looks like the RB260GS modules I use for POE fiber transceiver are > backordered until next never. > > Are there any alternatives? > > Seems like all the regular transceivers are not POE. > >
[AFMUG] Outsourced NOC
Any of you use an outsourced NOC? If so, who do you use and what is your thoughts on them, good or bad? Thank you, Brett A Mansfield
Re: [AFMUG] Price per sub?
It would be a lot cheaper to just take their customers. But it would be a lot more work and take more time. Also, that's kind of a jerk move I think. Besides, I really want the tower they own as part of it. Then I can possibly kick off their only competitor that pays to use it and then have 100% of the subs. Their 40' tower is the only one on this mountain and would be a great asset to my company and goals. And kicking off the other guys would free up the entire 11Ghz spectrum in this valley making me be able to setup whatever links I need unhindered. Thank you all for your suggestions. I think I've figured out what to do next. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Jan 11, 2017, at 7:25 PM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I don't know if I would buy someone who couldn't figure EBITDA. How could you > trust their books? Maybe if it was enough discount. On the other hand, if > you know all the cost involved you don't really need EBITDA to evaluate a > business. > So many times it is cheaper and just as fast to just take the customers. For > a network that small it wouldn't take much. > >> On Wed, Jan 11, 2017, 8:07 PM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >> I hear that is around 12x - 18x months of revenue and a heck of a lot easier >> to calculate when ballparking. They know their revenue (or well, is somewhat >> easy to figure out). They probably can't spell EBITDA. >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> >> Midwest Internet Exchange >> >> The Brothers WISP >> >> >> >> >> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 3:16:00 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Price per sub? >> >> 4x ebitda >> >> From: Josh Reynolds >> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 2:14 PM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Price per sub? >> How many subs? >> >> On Jan 11, 2017 3:13 PM, "Brett A Mansfield" <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> >> wrote: >> When looking at buying a competitor, I'm wondering what everyone's thought >> is on a price per sub? They don't do contracts and they use the litebeam >> hardware. >> >> I'm not looking for legal advice, just wondering what all of you think is >> fair. This company has about a 90% take rate in the area they're in. Their >> plans are $20, $40, and $50/mo. >> >> Thank you, >> Brett A Mansfield
Re: [AFMUG] Price per sub?
Hahaha, I love it. +1 Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Jan 11, 2017, at 5:26 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: > > Just acquire, become more of a monopoly, write off all failed acquisitions as > losses, buy out competitors, and keep a wad of cash in the pockets of the > lobbyists you own so they can do their thing. Patent everything as fast as > you can. Buy as many patents as you can. Find ways to get regulations that > favor you and hurts any remaining competition. Murica. > >> On Jan 11, 2017 3:56 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >> If the limiting factor is revenue, they need to get realistic. 4 years of >> earnings for a business that has already exhausted the available market >> potential (at least for sub count), and where infrastructure can require a >> forklift upgrade every 3-5 years, is about as good as they will find. >> >> >> >> On the other hand, if the limiting factor is costs consuming most of the >> revenue, the value of the business might change post acquisition. Perhaps >> you can cut salaries, if your existing techs can cover installs and >> maintenance, and you no longer need to pay the owners. Perhaps you can >> replace their expensive bandwidth with your less expensive bandwidth. >> Perhaps with your greater economies of scale and purchasing power, you can >> lower their other costs, renegotiate tower leases, etc. >> >> >> >> In business school, I remember being taught this is the stuff M is built >> on, assets that are worth more to the buyer than to the seller. Although >> you wouldn’t know it from the deals that make the news, they seem to be >> about getting bigger just to get bigger, with correspondingly bigger >> executive pay. >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield >> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 3:39 PM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Price per sub? >> >> >> >> There are only 190 subs. I'll have to get their financials to determine >> ebitda since they don't even know. But if it's what I think it is then they >> won't sell for what I'll offer. 4x ebitda isn't much for only 190 subs. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Brett A Mansfield >> >> >> On Jan 11, 2017, at 2:14 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: >> >> How many subs? >> >> >> >> On Jan 11, 2017 3:13 PM, "Brett A Mansfield" <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> >> wrote: >> >> When looking at buying a competitor, I'm wondering what everyone's thought >> is on a price per sub? They don't do contracts and they use the litebeam >> hardware. >> >> I'm not looking for legal advice, just wondering what all of you think is >> fair. This company has about a 90% take rate in the area they're in. Their >> plans are $20, $40, and $50/mo. >> >> Thank you, >> Brett A Mansfield
Re: [AFMUG] Price per sub?
There are only 190 subs. I'll have to get their financials to determine ebitda since they don't even know. But if it's what I think it is then they won't sell for what I'll offer. 4x ebitda isn't much for only 190 subs. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Jan 11, 2017, at 2:14 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: > > How many subs? > >> On Jan 11, 2017 3:13 PM, "Brett A Mansfield" <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> >> wrote: >> When looking at buying a competitor, I'm wondering what everyone's thought >> is on a price per sub? They don't do contracts and they use the litebeam >> hardware. >> >> I'm not looking for legal advice, just wondering what all of you think is >> fair. This company has about a 90% take rate in the area they're in. Their >> plans are $20, $40, and $50/mo. >> >> Thank you, >> Brett A Mansfield
[AFMUG] Price per sub?
When looking at buying a competitor, I'm wondering what everyone's thought is on a price per sub? They don't do contracts and they use the litebeam hardware. I'm not looking for legal advice, just wondering what all of you think is fair. This company has about a 90% take rate in the area they're in. Their plans are $20, $40, and $50/mo. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield
Re: [AFMUG] windows 10 reinstall
I recently discovered that when I replace a clients computer and the new hard drive isn't much better than the old one, i can just move the old drive to the new computer and boot it. Windows 10 will install all the new drivers. Then all I have to do (if necessary) is activate Windows 10 and viola. No more needing to transfer all the clients data and settings because they're already there. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Dec 10, 2016, at 9:07 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm > <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > holy cow. the old man has a cheap gateway laptop from best bu thats a few > years old. so of course the hard drive is cheap. its a windows 8 machine that > went through the free upgrade. > i used the microsoft tool to make a windows 10 install usb > this has been the cleanest OS reinstall ive ever done. its fairly elegant for > keyboard only install, like they knew the native drivers wouldnt make cheap > touchpads work, little to no tab arrowing on base install, skip microsoft > sign in and it was already activated on the hardware ID, sweet > Now just updating drivers, painless stuff. Way to go Microsoft > > -- > If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as > part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Office 365
Office 365 is 5 devices if it's business or personal. It doesn't matter what the 5 devices are. You can use it on all 5 devices at the same time. If it's for business, I'd be happy to get you a formal quote with all the details. As a Tier 1 Microsoft Silver Partner we can get you whatever you need Microsoft. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Dec 9, 2016, at 4:52 AM, Paul Stewart <p...@paulstewart.org> wrote: > > So just to clarify .. office365 non-business edition is 5 users and you can > install if on 5 computers, 5 tablets, and 5 phones at the same time. > Office365 for business is licensed for 1 user only (can’t remember but > believe 1 computer, 1 tablet, and 1 phone). > > > > >> On Dec 9, 2016, at 3:53 AM, Jason McKemie <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> >> wrote: >> >> I've been using OpenOffice for years. Sometimes there are some formatting >> issues when opening Microsoft Office documents though. I haven't tried >> LibreOffice. >> >> On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 5:39 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: >>> The moment my stepson needs to use it when my wife is writing a paper is >>> the moment she cancels. We've had this discussion several times. The $10/mo >>> or $120/yr simply isn't worth it - not when LibreOffice exists with such a >>> minor learning curve. >>> >>> I understand there are certain businesses with complex excel formulas and >>> the like... that's a slightly different issue (one where they have coupled >>> certain company functions directly to a specific product). >>> >>>> On Dec 8, 2016 5:33 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" >>>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> yes, its 5 devices...but, 1 user >>>> its all honor system, until its not >>>> >>>>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> We've had both Office 365 business and Office 365 Home. You can run it on >>>>> up to 5 machines at the same time. You do have to watch out for what they >>>>> charge you though. Last time we got the $99 bundle, they charged us $150. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, December 8, 2016 1:41 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So Office 365 Business is $8.25/user/month, but you can install it on up >>>>> to 5 devices. Does that mean I can install it on my laptop and desktop, >>>>> but I couldn't use it on both at the same time? This seems like an ok >>>>> deal as long as I could really use it on both PC's. >>>>> >>>>> If I'm in a place with no network connection (e.g. on a plane) can I >>>>> still use it? >>>>> >>>>> -Adam >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team >>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >> >
[AFMUG] What NMS does everyone use and why?
I'd like to find something as good as Solarwinds and as inexpensive as Observium. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield
Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Password reset for inherited network
They have several sites that have both public routing and SD-WAN. They also have redundant routers. After getting in I've found that the VLANs are only in the bridges switch ports and there aren't any VLANs on the ports to the outside world. I cannot find anything in the firewall or routing policies that prevent access to management from all interfaces though. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Nov 15, 2016, at 12:51 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > > That’s insane. > > I also wonder, if the architecture is switched, funneling VLANs from every AP > back to a central mother-of-all-routers, why did they use CCRs rather than > switches? All the switching and VLAN stuff can be done in hardware, and the > CPU would just be doing control plane stuff. > > > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 1:05 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Password reset for inherited network > > More than 1000 VLANs =P > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > I forget, did you say there was a complex configuration with VLANs? Or was > that a different thread? > > Might be a VLAN issue. Is there a management VLAN? > > > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 12:48 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Password reset for inherited network > > By default you can. > > You're probably limited by IP, in which case that would be /ip firewall filter > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Brett A Mansfield > <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote: > Okay, so I'm finally into one of these routers without resetting it. The > problem is that only a single interface allows me to log into them. I'm not > super familiar with these CCRs, and I've been pulling teeth trying to figure > out how to open it up so I can manage it from any interface. Can anyone point > me to a tutorial or give me instruction on how to accomplish that? > > Thank you, > Brett A Mansfield > > On Nov 9, 2016, at 12:05 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Tried serial console? > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: 11/9/2016 2:05:09 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Password reset for inherited network > > Wonder if its only listening on certain IPs or IP ranges... > > > On Nov 9, 2016 1:01 PM, "Brett A Mansfield" <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> > wrote: > Port scan only gave me a single open port, 5678. > > Thank you, > Brett A Mansfield > > On Nov 9, 2016, at 11:20 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: > > Run a port scan on them. Try the web too. > > > On Nov 9, 2016 11:39 AM, "Brett A Mansfield" <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> > wrote: > All the romon ports and all other normal ports used for management aside from > the discovery are either closed or blocked by an internal firewall. > > Thank you, > Brett A Mansfield > > On Nov 9, 2016, at 10:18 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm > <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > wrong username/password > you should be able to romon or mac connect regardless, hopefully he had romon > on and once youre into one you can get into the rest > > On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Brett A Mansfield > <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote: > So I think I have the correct password, but no matter what I get an error > when connecting. I think he may have changed the management ports. I should > be able to log in via console and change all of that there, correct? > > If so I'll google the guide. My biggest question is if I try to log in and > the password is wrong will it tell my username and or password is wrong or > will it just say "error, cannot connect"? > > Thank you, > Brett A Mansfield > > On Nov 9, 2016, at 10:07 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm > <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > man, ive been hiding that shame for some time, im glad to know someone else > out there is equally as guilty > > On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > OK, I am lazy, which means I use Winbox, and it has the password stored for > every Mikrotik I manage. Plus I use Winbox o
Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Password reset for inherited network
Okay, so I'm finally into one of these routers without resetting it. The problem is that only a single interface allows me to log into them. I'm not super familiar with these CCRs, and I've been pulling teeth trying to figure out how to open it up so I can manage it from any interface. Can anyone point me to a tutorial or give me instruction on how to accomplish that? Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Nov 9, 2016, at 12:05 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Tried serial console? > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: 11/9/2016 2:05:09 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Password reset for inherited network > >> Wonder if its only listening on certain IPs or IP ranges... >> >> >>> On Nov 9, 2016 1:01 PM, "Brett A Mansfield" <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> >>> wrote: >>> Port scan only gave me a single open port, 5678. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> Brett A Mansfield >>> >>>> On Nov 9, 2016, at 11:20 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Run a port scan on them. Try the web too. >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Nov 9, 2016 11:39 AM, "Brett A Mansfield" >>>>> <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote: >>>>> All the romon ports and all other normal ports used for management aside >>>>> from the discovery are either closed or blocked by an internal firewall. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you, >>>>> Brett A Mansfield >>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 9, 2016, at 10:18 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm >>>>>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> wrong username/password >>>>>> you should be able to romon or mac connect regardless, hopefully he had >>>>>> romon on and once youre into one you can get into the rest >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Brett A Mansfield >>>>>>> <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote: >>>>>>> So I think I have the correct password, but no matter what I get an >>>>>>> error when connecting. I think he may have changed the management >>>>>>> ports. I should be able to log in via console and change all of that >>>>>>> there, correct? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If so I'll google the guide. My biggest question is if I try to log in >>>>>>> and the password is wrong will it tell my username and or password is >>>>>>> wrong or will it just say "error, cannot connect"? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>> Brett A Mansfield >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Nov 9, 2016, at 10:07 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm >>>>>>>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> man, ive been hiding that shame for some time, im glad to know someone >>>>>>>> else out there is equally as guilty >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> OK, I am lazy, which means I use Winbox, and it has the password >>>>>>>>> stored for every Mikrotik I manage. Plus I use Winbox on several >>>>>>>>> computers - laptops, desktops, and computers I remote into. I take >>>>>>>>> it this guy was not similarly lazy? If I was the fired ex-admin, all >>>>>>>>> you would need is to find one of the computers I used Winbox on. >>>>>>>>> Even if it's not possible to decrypt the stored passwords, you could >>>>>>>>> Winbox into every Mikrotik and change the password. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I guess real men use SSH and the CLI. Oh, and don't store the >>>>>>>>> credentials in their SSH client. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Note, it appears Winbox 3 stores the passwords as cleartext in >>>>>>>>> settings.cfg.viw. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Butch Evans >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 9:10 AM >>>>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Password reset for inherited network >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 2016-11-09 at 00:24 +, Brett A Mansfield wrote: >>>>>>>>> > I was able to find the backups. Sadly they are running v6.36. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > If I default it can I restore its config and change the password or >>>>>>>>> > will it apply the old one? >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Google for "mtpass". That will find the passwords in the backup file. >>>>>>>>> If these backups contain the "old" OR the "new" password, when you >>>>>>>>> default/restore the backup, the password will be whatever is in that >>>>>>>>> file. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Butch Evans >>>>>>>>> Training and Support for WISPs >>>>>>>>> 702-537-0979 >>>>>>>>> http://store.wispgear.net/ >>>>>>>>> http://www.butchevans.com/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your >>>>>>>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team >>>>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] 802.11ad Deployment in a House
Yes please!!! I'd love a UBNT 802.11ad Unifi solution! Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Nov 11, 2016, at 5:32 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> wrote: > > I see routers that now do 802.11ad 60GHz radio bands. > > But I don't think people realize that 60GHz doesn't go through walls, or > really anything, for that matter. > > So I don't see buying a single 802.11ad router as very useful for home > deployment. > > Wouldn't this be better suited to a UBNT type deployment where you have a > central POE switch/router that powers several tri-band AP's placed throughout > the house via Ethernet? > >
