Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey
Simple reason.. The need to deliver Next Gen level of Internet Service BW. (50meg/100meg/150meg/200meg/300meg + ) on a per client basis. :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "George Skorup" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 10:47:30 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey > Ok, I guess I have to be the one to say this. Why would we want a 450-based > micro-POP product when we have ePMP? Just askin'. > On 6/7/2018 10:29 AM, Matt Mangriotis wrote: >> I would really like to get your opinions on this topic� would a 450 device >> like this help you in your network? >> � >> Now�s you chance to comment and help direct us! >> � >> Please fill out the short survey and add any other info you�d like.� >> It�s >> only 16 questions. >> � >> Matt >> � >> From: Af On Behalf Of Ray Savich >> Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 10:08 AM >> To: ' af@afmug.com ' >> Subject [AFMUG] Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey >> � >> Add your input to the Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey. >> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/CambiumMicroPOP >> � >> � >> Join the Conversation >> Cambium Networks Community Forum >> �
Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?
>>FWIW: I haven't heard any issues with Mimosa's frequency conversions. and that is because they are not ! contrary to popular thinking .. using an underlying protocol chip-set is equal to freq conversation... Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Mike Hammett" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 2:52:20 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts? > FWIW: I haven't heard any issues with Mimosa's frequency conversions. > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > Midwest Internet Exchange > The Brothers WISP > From: "Steve Jones" < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Thursday, May 31 , 2018 10:47:19 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts? > for the love of god, stop upconverting things > On Thu, May 31 , 2018 at 10:43 AM, Eric Kuhnke < eric.kuh...@gmail.com > > wrote: >> I would add on the "NOT" section, item #6: >> You need it to pass an RFC2544 or Y.1731 ethernet frame test at anything near >> line rate. >> It's based on an upconverted 802.11ac Quantenna chipset, the TDD nature of >> the >> radio means that it won't pass bidirectional simultaneous traffic tests which >> require an FDD radio. >> For the record an AF24 will also not pass an RFC2544 test due to the 160 byte >> fragmentation issue with how it frames things. Not even at 500 Mbps x 500 >> Mbps >> on a perfect, -56 signal 770x770 RF link. >> On Wed, May 30 , 2018 at 8:49 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net > >> wrote: >>> B24 is an excellent radio for the following situation:- >>> 1) Short links (lets just say under 1.5 miles give or take). >>> 2) need small size radio >>> 3) need low power consumption >>> 4) need to stack a few in different directions on the same mast. >>> 5) need a fat pipe, which is not available from 5ghz due to freq / >>> interference >>> issues. (up to 1.5G Aggregate) >>> 6) It is designed for Building Hopping as well as Video Networks >>> 7) it will be interesting to see if they go thru with their initial intent >>> to >>> convert this into a B23 (23Ghz licensed radio). >>> B24 is NOT for situations where ! >>> 1) You need long links (lets just say over 1.5miles). >>> 3) You have symmetric traffic (i.e duplex ) >>> 4) You need a larger Radio a >>> 5) You need a 700meg or 1G duplex >>> Regards >>> Faisal Imtiaz >>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>> http://www.snappytelecom.net >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >>>> From: "Jaime Solorza" < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > >>>> To: "Animal Farm" < af@afmug.com > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 30 , 2018 9:14:54 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts? >>>> I am in El Paso...real men don't need water >>>> Jaime Solorza >>>> On Wed, May 30 , 2018, 7:07 PM Adair Winter < ada...@amarillowireless.net > >>>> wrote: >>>>> Unless you live in a very dry are I think 2 miles is pushing it. In rane >>>>> zone E >>>>> (yes I know) we don't expect any sort of reliability past 1-1.5 miles. >>>>> On Wed, May 30 , 2018 at 8:04 PM Jaime Solorza < >>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com > >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Range for Mimosa is 2 miles? Small footprint, lower price...I see it has >>>>>> place >>>>>> in downtown or campus application... another tool for us.. >>>>>> Jaime Solorza >>>>>> On Wed, May 30 , 2018, 6:59 PM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: >>>>>>> The AF is much larger and thus has much more gain. >>>>>>> - >>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>>>>> The Brothers WISP >>>>>>> From: "Josh Baird" < joshba...@gmail.com > >>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 30 , 2018 6:30:31 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts? >>>>>>> What makes it not a re
Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?
B24 is an excellent radio for the following situation:- 1) Short links (lets just say under 1.5 miles give or take). 2) need small size radio 3) need low power consumption 4) need to stack a few in different directions on the same mast. 5) need a fat pipe, which is not available from 5ghz due to freq / interference issues. (up to 1.5G Aggregate) 6) It is designed for Building Hopping as well as Video Networks 7) it will be interesting to see if they go thru with their initial intent to convert this into a B23 (23Ghz licensed radio). B24 is NOT for situations where ! 1) You need long links (lets just say over 1.5miles). 3) You have symmetric traffic (i.e duplex ) 4) You need a larger Radio :) 5) You need a 700meg or 1G duplex Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Jaime Solorza" > To: "Animal Farm" > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 9:14:54 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts? > I am in El Paso...real men don't need water > Jaime Solorza > On Wed, May 30, 2018, 7:07 PM Adair Winter < ada...@amarillowireless.net > > wrote: >> Unless you live in a very dry are I think 2 miles is pushing it. In rane >> zone E >> (yes I know) we don't expect any sort of reliability past 1-1.5 miles. >> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 8:04 PM Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > >> wrote: >>> Range for Mimosa is 2 miles? Small footprint, lower price...I see it has >>> place >>> in downtown or campus application... another tool for us.. >>> Jaime Solorza >>> On Wed, May 30, 2018, 6:59 PM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: >>>> The AF is much larger and thus has much more gain. >>>> - >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>> The Brothers WISP >>>> From: "Josh Baird" < joshba...@gmail.com > >>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 6:30:31 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts? >>>> What makes it not a replacement for the AF24? >>>> On May 30, 2018, at 7:14 PM, Gino A. Villarini < g...@aeronetpr.com > >>>> wrote: >>>>> We have several links installed, so far so good… not really a af24 >>>>> replacement, >>>>> but… works for the application >>>>> From: Af < af-boun...@afmug.com > on behalf of Sam Lambie < >>>>> samtaos...@gmail.com >>>>> > >>>>> Reply-To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > >>>>> Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 2:29 PM >>>>> To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > >>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts? >>>>> Hey all, >>>>> Has anyone deployed these guys yet? If so, what do you think? >>>>> I am needing a smaller form factor like this for a particular site and >>>>> these fit >>>>> the bill nicely. And the 50% cost reduction over ubnt af24 is sweet too. >>>>> Thanks >>>>> -- >>>>> -- >>>>> Sam Lambie >>>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech. >>>>> 575-758-7598 Office >>>>> www.Taosnet.com >>>>> Gino A. Villarini >>>>> President >>>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 >>>>> >> -- >> Adair Winter >> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner >> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 >> C: 806.231.7180 >> http://www.amarillowireless.net
Re: [AFMUG] Fiber end problem - dealing with SC
don't know what type of fiber you are working with .. select one of these appropriately https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xlc+to+sc+fiber+cable.TRS0&_nkw=lc+to+sc+fiber+cable&_sacat=0 https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1313.TR1.TRC0.A0.H0.Xsc+to+sc+adapter.TRS0&_nkw=sc+to+sc+adapter&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=0&_osacat=0&_odkw=lc+to+sc+fiber+cable be aware.. the color of the connectors do have a purpose and a meaning... if you are working with Multimode fiber, stay with grey connectors (orange or aqua cable) if you are working with Singlemode fiber, stay with blue connectors (yellow cable) if your fibercable has green ends, then do the green end /green connector... Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Josh Luthman" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2018 10:16:16 PM > Subject: [AFMUG] Fiber end problem - dealing with SC > High level: I need to turn these SC into copper ports. > Right now I'm using an SC media converter and wanting to do another pair. It's > going to be a week or longer to get another SC media converter. > My next thought was to use some sort of SC to LC adapters - is there anything > I > can find at a store nearby that would work here (I'm near > Dayton/Columbus/Cincinnati/Indy) and pick up tomorrow possibly? > Any other ideas/suggestions? > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] DWDM SFPs in a CWDM system
> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 6:10 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: >> Why could you not use DWDM SFPs into a CWDM mux if you spaced them out? They >> are >> about $150 cheaper. You can.. if designed properly... As a matter of fact, there is a valid way of stacking DWDM mux behind a CWDM mux ! The main thing one has to keep in mind is that .. The Tx side of the Optics have the tuned filter for that wavelength The RX side of the same Optics does not.. it is rather a 'broadband' filter... That is the reason why the CWDM/DWDM duplex channels can be muxed over a single fiber ... Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
Re: [AFMUG] Provider billing
>>> Yes, but not taxing it? That is not legal in most states. Taxing it as in showing the Tax separately ? is grey area. Taxing as in pocketing the Tax portion vs submitting it to the state ! is illegal :) Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Lewis Bergman" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 1:34:05 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Provider billing > Yes, but not taxing it? That is not legal in most states. > On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 12:22 PM Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > > wrote: >> $foo recovery fee is an OLD game where they just collect revenue. >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 10:38 PM, Lewis Bergman < lewis.berg...@gmail.com > >> wrote: >>> I don't understand how charging a made up fee like the "carrier recovery >>> fee" as >>> you state it is legal. They are charging that "below the line" and not >>> taxing >>> it. I think I would take that up with them, find out what it is for, and >>> why it >>> is exempt from your state taxes. With a bill like that I am surprised they >>> include anything with the base price. They seem to be struggling with the >>> light >>> and dark side within. Charging absorbent fees for some things and including >>> other things in the base charge. >>> On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 11:47 AM Travis Johnson < t...@ida.net > wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> I just received a new billing statement from my ISP, and I was shocked. >>>> Attached is the actual bill, but here are a few facts: >>>> (1) They "automatically" added their "PC Care Support" service. >>>> (2) They are charging a "Carrier Recovery Fee", which is just profit. >>>> (3) Their pricing is crazy... $89.95/month for up to 20Mbps (and >>>> $69.96/month for up to 10Mbps). >>>> (4) Static IP address is $20/month. >>>> It's really too bad these guys have become just as bad as every other >>>> telco in the country... people use them because they don't have any >>>> other choice, not because they want to. >>>> Travis
Re: [AFMUG] BGP whats this?
http://bfy.tw/HsEr Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Colin Stanners" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 1:45:43 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP whats this? > I would be concerned, likely they're having an issue with their BGP server or > the network connection to you. > On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 12:02 PM, Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > > wrote: >> These are new messages, the blacked out IP is our peer on this router. Is >> this >> something I need to be concerned about? red messages make me nervous
Re: [AFMUG] USF
>>>My current issue is, we own transport, we buy big DIA. >>>We also transport to others and we give them access to/sell DIA. Your own transport for internal use.. would not be subject to USFC selling DIA (regardless of how you transport it) would not be subject to USFC (we are assuming that these are over Ethernet / Fiber etc.. not T1/DS3/OC3 etc.) >>>>They sell ISP service to end users. ok.. that is not your problem :) >>We need to keep ourselves square with USAC, so we either have to “charge” the >>commercial customer (elect to recover) USF the condition on USF Recovery Fee is to treat everyone fairly across the board :) and it does not have to be the same % as what your contribution is .. even though it is becoming the norm to do so ! >>or they have to tell us they are exempt Yes, those exemptions are defined. >>or show they are filing 499s or show de minimus. Disagree with your understanding on this one you are still allowed to collect recovery fee from de minimus (Logic, they are allowed to recover and keep those $$ ) Disclaimer: I am not a Telecom Lawyer, but unfortunately have been on both sides of getting shafted with USFC.. so sharing with you all the minute details that we had to learn the hard way ! :) Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: ch...@wbmfg.com > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 1:29:52 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] USF > My current issue is, we own transport, we buy big DIA. > We also transport to others and we give them access to/sell DIA. > They sell ISP service to end users. > We need to keep ourselves square with USAC, so we either have to “charge” the > commercial customer (elect to recover) USF or they have to tell us they are > exempt or show they are filing 499s or show de minimus. > Just trying to make sure I am clear on this. > From: Faisal Imtiaz > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 11:24 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] USF > That is a ref to Mixed Use Private Lines there is no ref to "internet" > FWIW, Transport has been subject to USF & Communication Taxes > So if one is purchasing Transport + DIA separately, then yes they can be > subject > to paying USF Recovery Fees. > and Yes, if you are selling Transport to a downstream customer, you can > charge/collect USF Recovery Fees on it. > However DIA port are not. > ADSL on shared pots line becomes subject to USF > however ADSL on dedicated loops delivering internet access (adsl + internet > from > same carrier) would not be subject to USF > etc etc etc. > (FYI.. there is a federal ITNA which should get the ISP's out of Comm Taxes > unless they are in a grandfathered state). > (FCC cannot trump Congress in regards to internet taxation ! ). > Regards. > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > http://www.snappytelecom.net > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >> From: "Adam Moffett" >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 1:09:33 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] USF >>>>>> The FCC has defined all internet traffic as interstate and a source of >>>>>> USF >>> >>> contributions. >>> When did that happen ? do you have an ref. please ? >> http://www.commlawgroup.com/news/1172-fcc-clarifies-usf-classification-revenue-mixed-use-private-lines >> Something changed about a year ago. I think it's been the case for a long >> time >> that an interstate data connection is subject to USF. I think what changed is >> they decided that the traffic is the determining factor rather than the >> physical connection points, and that Internet traffic must be assumed to be >> interstate. >> Some people on this list have reported getting USF charges of 21% on DIA >> connections. I haven't seen it yet here.
Re: [AFMUG] USF
Don't get me started on USF.. Chuck will take offense :) I agree colloguially it is a 'Tax'... however if you were speaking from a legal perspective, it is not (Why ? it is against Federal & State law for any entity other then a Gov entity to Collect tax, you and I can be their agents to Collect tax on their behalf, however if we collect tax and pocket it, it is considered to be a very big crime). Fees and Contributions on the other hand don't have such penalties :) >>Calling it "Mandatory Contribution" is just marketing semantics, and >>ultimately the customer pays for that whether or not we choose to make it a >>separate line item. Proper way to say it would be .. Ultimately, WE the service providers pay for this.. .whether we choose to collect it or not on a separate line item. :) Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Adam Moffett" > To: af@afmug.com, af@afmug.com > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 1:24:55 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] USF > We're digressing quite a bit here, but at the end of the day the government > skims money from one part of the economy and injects it into another part of > the economy and colloquially we call that a "Tax". Let politicians spin it > however they want. > Calling it "Mandatory Contribution" is just marketing semantics, and > ultimately > the customer pays for that whether or not we choose to make it a separate line > item. > -- Original Message -- > From: "Faisal Imtiaz" < fai...@snappytelecom.net > > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: 4/24/2018 1:02:26 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] USF >> Not sure where you are getting that from >> Words are important, because they mean something. >> USF is defined as a 'Mandatory Contribution' (obligation on >> Telco/Carriers/ISP's) to the USAC Fund, mandated/ managed by the FCC. >> It is not defined as a TAX. >> https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/universal-service-support-mechanisms >> However the Provider is Allowed to "RECOVER" their 'USF Contribution' from >> their >> Customers, (IF THEY CHOOSE TO DO SO ! ) (there is a set of loose rules on how >> this is accomplished... sadly these are not hard an fast rules either ! ). >> Regards >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> http://www.snappytelecom.net >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >>> From: "Bill Prince" < part15...@gmail.com > >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 12:02:09 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] USF >>> That is rich. >>> So a telecom is not allowed to charge for USF, but they can charge a USF >>> recovery fee. >>> I fail to see the difference here. >>> Sort of like Apple's "Overseas profits" of ~~ $225 billion. It was not >>> actually >>> "overseas", it was actually held here in the USA, but was merely labeled as >>> "overseas". >>> bp >>> >>> On 4/24/2018 8:47 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: >>>> No ! >>>> Before we discuss this... >>>> You need to specify what perspective you are asking the question from ? >>>> Are you the Buyer ? or are you the Seller ? >>>> Are you Contributing to USF Fund directly to the FCC or are you a deminius >>>> entity ? >>>> No One is allowed under the Law to "Charge" USF. >>>> Only Entity that is Allowed under the Law to require "Mandatory >>>> Contribution" is >>>> the FCC to qualified Telecom Providers. >>>> Now if you are talking about USF Recovery Fee... well that is a whole now >>>> gambit... not much 'rules and regulations' there. >>>> :) >>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>> http://www.snappytelecom.net >>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >>>>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com >>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 10:30:37 AM >>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] USF >>>>> Point to point Ethernet over fiber should not have to be charged for USF. >>>>> But if you receive DIA/backbone over it it then qualifies? >>>>> But if you charge your customers for USF then the DIA circuit should not >>>>> be >>>>> charged. >>>>> Do I have this correct?
Re: [AFMUG] USF
That is a ref to Mixed Use Private Lines there is no ref to "internet" FWIW, Transport has been subject to USF & Communication Taxes So if one is purchasing Transport + DIA separately, then yes they can be subject to paying USF Recovery Fees. and Yes, if you are selling Transport to a downstream customer, you can charge/collect USF Recovery Fees on it. However DIA port are not. ADSL on shared pots line becomes subject to USF however ADSL on dedicated loops delivering internet access (adsl + internet from same carrier) would not be subject to USF etc etc etc. (FYI.. there is a federal ITNA which should get the ISP's out of Comm Taxes unless they are in a grandfathered state). (FCC cannot trump Congress in regards to internet taxation ! ). Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Adam Moffett" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 1:09:33 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] USF >>>>> The FCC has defined all internet traffic as interstate and a source of USF >> >>> contributions. >> When did that happen ? do you have an ref. please ? > http://www.commlawgroup.com/news/1172-fcc-clarifies-usf-classification-revenue-mixed-use-private-lines > Something changed about a year ago. I think it's been the case for a long time > that an interstate data connection is subject to USF. I think what changed is > they decided that the traffic is the determining factor rather than the > physical connection points, and that Internet traffic must be assumed to be > interstate. > Some people on this list have reported getting USF charges of 21% on DIA > connections. I haven't seen it yet here.
Re: [AFMUG] USF
Not sure where you are getting that from Words are important, because they mean something. USF is defined as a 'Mandatory Contribution' (obligation on Telco/Carriers/ISP's) to the USAC Fund, mandated/ managed by the FCC. It is not defined as a TAX. https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/universal-service-support-mechanisms However the Provider is Allowed to "RECOVER" their 'USF Contribution' from their Customers, (IF THEY CHOOSE TO DO SO ! ) (there is a set of loose rules on how this is accomplished... sadly these are not hard an fast rules either ! ). Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Bill Prince" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 12:02:09 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] USF > That is rich. > So a telecom is not allowed to charge for USF, but they can charge a USF > recovery fee. > I fail to see the difference here. > Sort of like Apple's "Overseas profits" of ~~ $225 billion. It was not > actually > "overseas", it was actually held here in the USA, but was merely labeled as > "overseas". > bp > > On 4/24/2018 8:47 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: >> No ! >> Before we discuss this... >> You need to specify what perspective you are asking the question from ? >> Are you the Buyer ? or are you the Seller ? >> Are you Contributing to USF Fund directly to the FCC or are you a deminius >> entity ? >> No One is allowed under the Law to "Charge" USF. >> Only Entity that is Allowed under the Law to require "Mandatory >> Contribution" is >> the FCC to qualified Telecom Providers. >> Now if you are talking about USF Recovery Fee... well that is a whole now >> gambit... not much 'rules and regulations' there. >> :) >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> http://www.snappytelecom.net >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 10:30:37 AM >>> Subject: [AFMUG] USF >>> Point to point Ethernet over fiber should not have to be charged for USF. >>> But if you receive DIA/backbone over it it then qualifies? >>> But if you charge your customers for USF then the DIA circuit should not be >>> charged. >>> Do I have this correct?
Re: [AFMUG] USF
I am sorry, I am not being sarcastic, nor discussing semantics, however the devil is in the details. for a proper answer to your question, the identification of who and what is important. >>> The FCC has defined all internet traffic as interstate and a source of USF >>> contributions. When did that happen ? do you have an ref. please ? >>> If you file a 499 worksheet with USAC or show you are eligible for the >>> FCC’s de minimis exception or certify that you are reselling this service >>> to other direct contributors of the FUSF program then we can remove the >>> charge (fee, contribution, whatever floats your boat) from a commercial >>> customer’s bill. Not sure where you are getting the above statement for... FCC's stance on the the first part is very well defined If you are de miniums you DO NOT HAVE Exemptions to not pay your UpStream's USF Recovery Charges. >>> If you are SELLING this service to other direct contributors of the FUSF >>> then your UPStream is Obligated to REMOVE USF Recovery FEE however if you are RESELLING... then the above does not apply to you ... You can read it as loosely as you like.. or you can understand the details :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: ch...@wbmfg.com > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 11:59:31 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] USF > Not going to discuss semantics here Faisal. Just mechanics. > Someone pays. Somebody files 499s. Someone is on record with USAC. > The FCC has defined all internet traffic as interstate and a source of USF > contributions. It was not always like this. > If you file a 499 worksheet with USAC or show you are eligible for the FCC’s > de > minimis exception or certify that you are reselling this service to other > direct contributors of the FUSF program then we can remove the charge (fee, > contribution, whatever floats your boat) from a commercial customer’s bill. > From: Faisal Imtiaz > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 9:47 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] USF > No ! > Before we discuss this... > You need to specify what perspective you are asking the question from ? > Are you the Buyer ? or are you the Seller ? > Are you Contributing to USF Fund directly to the FCC or are you a deminius > entity ? > No One is allowed under the Law to "Charge" USF. > Only Entity that is Allowed under the Law to require "Mandatory Contribution" > is > the FCC to qualified Telecom Providers. > Now if you are talking about USF Recovery Fee... well that is a whole now > gambit... not much 'rules and regulations' there. > :) > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > http://www.snappytelecom.net > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >> From: ch...@wbmfg.com >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 10:30:37 AM >> Subject: [AFMUG] USF >> Point to point Ethernet over fiber should not have to be charged for USF. >> But if you receive DIA/backbone over it it then qualifies? >> But if you charge your customers for USF then the DIA circuit should not be >> charged. >> Do I have this correct?
Re: [AFMUG] USF
No ! Before we discuss this... You need to specify what perspective you are asking the question from ? Are you the Buyer ? or are you the Seller ? Are you Contributing to USF Fund directly to the FCC or are you a deminius entity ? No One is allowed under the Law to "Charge" USF. Only Entity that is Allowed under the Law to require "Mandatory Contribution" is the FCC to qualified Telecom Providers. Now if you are talking about USF Recovery Fee... well that is a whole now gambit... not much 'rules and regulations' there. :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: ch...@wbmfg.com > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 10:30:37 AM > Subject: [AFMUG] USF > Point to point Ethernet over fiber should not have to be charged for USF. > But if you receive DIA/backbone over it it then qualifies? > But if you charge your customers for USF then the DIA circuit should not be > charged. > Do I have this correct?
Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
>>>Fcc changed the rules. You can do 2’ in 6ghz now. Can you please share the ref where and when this was changed ? Thanks. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Sean Heskett" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 4:59:57 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity > Fcc changed the rules. You can do 2’ in 6ghz now. > Why are you limited to 2’ dishes?? > Can you do a 2’ and 3’ (or 4’)?? > What you are trying to do breaks the laws of physics no matter who’s equipment > you use. > Sean > On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 1:42 PM SmarterBroadband < li...@sbb.net > wrote: >> Love to but 11 GHz is all gone. I don’t think you can do 2 foot dishes at 6 >> GHz? >> From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett >> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 3:51 PM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity >> what rain zone are you in? >> yes our link is in 18GHz >> honestly if you need 1gbps with 4.5 nines with 2' dishes at 6 miles you >> probably >> need to look at 11GHz or 6GHz instead of 18GHz. >> -sean >> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 4:08 PM, SmarterBroadband < li...@sbb.net > wrote: >>> Cambium 820's will be down to around 400 meg at 4.5 nines. >>> We want the link to hold 1 Gig at 4.5 nines. >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Bill Prince >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 2:53 PM >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity >>> What does link planner say you need? >>> Five nines I presume? >>> bp >>> >>> On 4/18/2018 1:12 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote: >>> > Yes, looking at both. >>> > -Original Message- >>> > From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen >>> > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:44 PM >>> > To: af@afmug.com >>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity >>> > On 4/18/18 12:31 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote: >>> >> SAF seems to have the lowest output power I have seen…. Especially >>> >> the G and GS. >>> > I would look at the RX sensitivity tables.
Re: [AFMUG] OT: IM Services
Slack Google Hangouts Whatsapp Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - > From: "Nate Burke" > To: "Animal Farm" > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 3:26:26 PM > Subject: [AFMUG] OT: IM Services > With the demise of AIM, and not being on any social media sites, what's > available for Instant messaging apps these days? Basically so I can > send the boss Hyperlinks without having to do everything through email > while we're on an intercom call.It looks like Trillian.im offers a > service that is ad free for $2/user/mo But I thought I saw that there > was a $10 minimum somewhere. > > Nate
Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk
>>>that any suggestions to fix the problem are most welcome. Tough to offer suggestion without knowing the details of your settings and setup. A lot easier to review and fix / troubleshoot. This is an offer to help with no strings attached. Your generic request for help reminds of the college days.. when we were coding in fortran. My program is not working.. I am not sure what is wrong. Can you help me ? Yes, but only if you show me your code so that I can check for syntax. (dang those periods and commas ! ) The issue is obvious, you are not able to open the audio channel... the causes for such a condition are few most of them depend on the specifics of the configuration. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: ch...@wbmfg.com > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 11:41:24 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk > I am grateful for any bones that can be tossed this way. Just stating “hey, I > am > having this problem” which implies that any suggestions to fix the problem are > most welcome. > From: Faisal Imtiaz > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 9:33 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk > Yep.. I know.. > Not sure if Chuck is venting or asking for assistance ... > Being a technical person I have lot of trouble understanding a generic > request / > comment from another technical person.. > ' I have screw that is not working to keep the two parts together !'. or > as > a lot of other computer people will relate to this one.. " My computer does > not > work ! " ... > ;) > Regardless, the offer to help and solve this problem quickly still stands.. > but > of course in the infamous words of Number Nine "Need More Input" ! > :) > Regards. > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > http://www.snappytelecom.net > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >> From: "Adam Moffett" >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 11:06:39 AM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk >> He means PBX in a Flash. It is FreePBX along with some other things. >> -- Original Message -- >> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" < fai...@snappytelecom.net > >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: 4/12/2018 11:01:43 AM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk >>> It is too painful to read your emails which are lacking a lot of >>> details.. >>> Anyhow.. if you need assistance if fixing this, feel free to call me. >>> Regards. >>> Faisal Imtiaz >>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>> http://www.snappytelecom.net >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >>>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com >>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 10:53:15 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk >>>> PIAF >>>> From: Faisal Imtiaz >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 8:51 AM >>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk >>>> are you using asterisk or some variant of a PBX implementation e.g. >>>> freepbx or >>>> elastix ? >>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>> http://www.snappytelecom.net >>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >>>>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com >>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 10:28:05 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk >>>>> It is a carrier that we have used for years. Someone hacked something a >>>>> month or >>>>> two ago and was making thousands of calls from our asterisk system. So we >>>>> rebuilt everything trying to up the security. Now, trying to get it to go >>>>> again. >>>>> From: Lewis Bergman >>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 6:22 AM >>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk >>>>> What carrier are you using? Some carriers try to get out of the media >>>>> path and >>>>> hand the endpoint IP's off to each side. Depending on how your system is >>>>> configured and what IP is handed during the ReInvite it can cause one way >>>>> audio. >>>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:17 PM Josh Luthman < >>>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Between phones or through origination/termination? >>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 5:44 PM < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: >>>>>>> I have extension to extension audio working now but one way outbound >>>>>>> audio on >>>>>>> outbound calls arrgh
Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk
Yep.. I know.. Not sure if Chuck is venting or asking for assistance ... Being a technical person I have lot of trouble understanding a generic request / comment from another technical person.. ' I have screw that is not working to keep the two parts together !'. or as a lot of other computer people will relate to this one.. " My computer does not work ! " ... ;) Regardless, the offer to help and solve this problem quickly still stands.. but of course in the infamous words of Number Nine "Need More Input" ! :) Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Adam Moffett" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 11:06:39 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk > He means PBX in a Flash. It is FreePBX along with some other things. > -- Original Message -- > From: "Faisal Imtiaz" < fai...@snappytelecom.net > > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: 4/12/2018 11:01:43 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk >> It is too painful to read your emails which are lacking a lot of >> details.. >> Anyhow.. if you need assistance if fixing this, feel free to call me. >> Regards. >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> http://www.snappytelecom.net >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 10:53:15 AM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk >>> PIAF >>> From: Faisal Imtiaz >>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 8:51 AM >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk >>> are you using asterisk or some variant of a PBX implementation e.g. freepbx >>> or >>> elastix ? >>> Faisal Imtiaz >>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>> http://www.snappytelecom.net >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >>>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com >>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 10:28:05 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk >>>> It is a carrier that we have used for years. Someone hacked something a >>>> month or >>>> two ago and was making thousands of calls from our asterisk system. So we >>>> rebuilt everything trying to up the security. Now, trying to get it to go >>>> again. >>>> From: Lewis Bergman >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 6:22 AM >>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk >>>> What carrier are you using? Some carriers try to get out of the media path >>>> and >>>> hand the endpoint IP's off to each side. Depending on how your system is >>>> configured and what IP is handed during the ReInvite it can cause one way >>>> audio. >>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:17 PM Josh Luthman < >>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > >>>> wrote: >>>>> Between phones or through origination/termination? >>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 5:44 PM < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: >>>>>> I have extension to extension audio working now but one way outbound >>>>>> audio on >>>>>> outbound calls arrgh
Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk
It is too painful to read your emails which are lacking a lot of details.. Anyhow.. if you need assistance if fixing this, feel free to call me. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: ch...@wbmfg.com > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 10:53:15 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk > PIAF > From: Faisal Imtiaz > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 8:51 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk > are you using asterisk or some variant of a PBX implementation e.g. freepbx or > elastix ? > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > http://www.snappytelecom.net > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >> From: ch...@wbmfg.com >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 10:28:05 AM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk >> It is a carrier that we have used for years. Someone hacked something a >> month or >> two ago and was making thousands of calls from our asterisk system. So we >> rebuilt everything trying to up the security. Now, trying to get it to go >> again. >> From: Lewis Bergman >> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 6:22 AM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk >> What carrier are you using? Some carriers try to get out of the media path >> and >> hand the endpoint IP's off to each side. Depending on how your system is >> configured and what IP is handed during the ReInvite it can cause one way >> audio. >> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:17 PM Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > >> wrote: >>> Between phones or through origination/termination? >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 5:44 PM < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: >>>> I have extension to extension audio working now but one way outbound audio >>>> on >>>> outbound calls arrgh
Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk
are you using asterisk or some variant of a PBX implementation e.g. freepbx or elastix ? Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: ch...@wbmfg.com > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 10:28:05 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk > It is a carrier that we have used for years. Someone hacked something a month > or > two ago and was making thousands of calls from our asterisk system. So we > rebuilt everything trying to up the security. Now, trying to get it to go > again. > From: Lewis Bergman > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 6:22 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk > What carrier are you using? Some carriers try to get out of the media path and > hand the endpoint IP's off to each side. Depending on how your system is > configured and what IP is handed during the ReInvite it can cause one way > audio. > On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:17 PM Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > > wrote: >> Between phones or through origination/termination? >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 5:44 PM < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: >>> I have extension to extension audio working now but one way outbound audio >>> on >>> outbound calls arrgh
Re: [AFMUG] Session Border Controllers
https://www.kamailio.org/w/ Let me know if you want someone to assist you with implementation, I may be able to refer you . Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - > From: "Clint Wiley" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 9:53:20 AM > Subject: [AFMUG] Session Border Controllers > Hi, > > We have a legacy class 4/5 switch that we need to replace. It’s old and > unsupported and our voice business has declined over the years. I’d like to > find an inexpensive software SBC that can run in a cloud environment. Does > anyone do this? Any suggestions? We don’t move a lot of traffic… > > Thanks, > _ > Clint Wiley > Hagerstown Fiber Internet
Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport
http://www.te.com/commerce/DocumentDelivery/DDEController?Action=srchrtrv&DocType=SS&DocLang=EN&DocNm=LTPH-UM-1236-01 Maybe the last page table can shed some light ! Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Chuck McCown" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 4:32:48 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport > They are telling me the 06 suffix will not work. Not understanding it. > Don’t have any manuals so I cannot figure out if they know what they are > talking > about or not. > From: Faisal Imtiaz > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 2:21 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport > did a quick search on ebay.. quiet a few available.. > Regards. > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > http://www.snappytelecom.net > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >> From: "Chuck McCown" >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 1:58:58 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport >> HDSL 231 L8 150--08 central office units >> HDU 409 Doublers >> HRU 402 remote at the customer. >> From: Faisal Imtiaz >> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:56 AM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport >> Which model of pairgain cards are you looking for ? >> (ebay or secondary markets ? ) >> Regards. >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> http://www.snappytelecom.net >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >>> From: "Chuck McCown" >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 1:19:23 PM >>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport >>> I have some customers still on T1 over copper loops. (This is in Louisiana, >>> not >>> Utah). We cannot buy the pairgain cards any more to supply them and we are >>> out >>> of cards. >>> Any suggestions?
Re: [AFMUG] Rfelements
not sure what magic you were hoping for .. But the expected magic from a horn is not necessarily and improvement in signal level.. but an improvement in SNR, thus the ability to achieve a much more consistent, higher modulation as per compared to sectors.. and yes there are some excellent sectors such as the RF Elements Carrier Grade sectors as well as the EPMP sectors by Cambium.. (you can compare the specs !.. F/B ratio as well as the patterns.) Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - > From: "Robert" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 10:12:48 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rfelements > I recently did a couple of tests with RF horns. I was hoping for a lot > and was disappointed. I was hoping that they could be colocated > closer than regular sectors that I use and the crosstalk signal levels > were just about the same as the shielded sectors. As far as the > signals at the CPE's they were pretty good but not amazingly better for > as small as the target area got reduced to. > > On 4/10/18 6:43 PM, Steve Jones wrote: >> Can i get some non fanboy real world on these guys? Btw, i hate facebook >> groups almost as much as dslreports or the ubnt forums, this is > > literally the only place to get legitimate product info.
Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport
did a quick search on ebay.. quiet a few available.. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Chuck McCown" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 1:58:58 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport > HDSL 231 L8 150--08 central office units > HDU 409 Doublers > HRU 402 remote at the customer. > From: Faisal Imtiaz > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:56 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport > Which model of pairgain cards are you looking for ? > (ebay or secondary markets ? ) > Regards. > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > http://www.snappytelecom.net > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >> From: "Chuck McCown" >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 1:19:23 PM >> Subject: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport >> I have some customers still on T1 over copper loops. (This is in Louisiana, >> not >> Utah). We cannot buy the pairgain cards any more to supply them and we are >> out >> of cards. >> Any suggestions?
Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport
Which model of pairgain cards are you looking for ? (ebay or secondary markets ? ) Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Chuck McCown" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 1:19:23 PM > Subject: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport > I have some customers still on T1 over copper loops. (This is in Louisiana, > not > Utah). We cannot buy the pairgain cards any more to supply them and we are out > of cards. > Any suggestions?
Re: [AFMUG] Little DC Connector
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xplugable+terminal+block.TRS0&_nkw=plugable+terminal+block&_sacat=0 Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Mike Hammett" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 7:11:37 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Little DC Connector > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > Midwest Internet Exchange > The Brothers WISP > From: "Mike Hammett" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 6:09:57 PM > Subject: [AFMUG] Little DC Connector > Where can I get more of these? > Well, probably lots of places, but I don't know what they're called, part > number, etc. > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > Midwest Internet Exchange > The Brothers WISP
Re: [AFMUG] OT SIP issue
Sorry.. saw that was already asked. Another item that will break audio is if there is a codec mis-match or codec is not enabled ... Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Faisal Imtiaz" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 6:35:46 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT SIP issue > not sure what you are doing.. but do you have can re-invite on ? > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > http://www.snappytelecom.net > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >> From: "Chuck McCown" >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 2:27:28 PM >> Subject: [AFMUG] OT SIP issue >> Pulling our hair out. The Aastra phones will call each other, we can send >> dtmf >> but no audio. Linksys sip ata does the same thing. These were working, very >> frustrating.
Re: [AFMUG] OT SIP issue
not sure what you are doing.. but do you have can re-invite on ? Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Chuck McCown" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 2:27:28 PM > Subject: [AFMUG] OT SIP issue > Pulling our hair out. The Aastra phones will call each other, we can send dtmf > but no audio. Linksys sip ata does the same thing. These were working, very > frustrating.
Re: [AFMUG] OT Help MT config
You are going to run into another issue... Your dhcp server is bound to port ether5, which all the ports are in a bridge group.. when you have a bridge group, all l3 config should be on the bridge not individaul interface Having said that.. since you are doing a simple setup, I would suggest that you use 'Quick Set' to create a working config for you .. (you can see Quickset via Winbox or via Web Access to the Router). Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: ch...@wbmfg.com > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2018 4:42:42 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Help MT config > Thanks > From: Adam Moffett > Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2018 2:41 PM > To: af@afmug.com ; af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Help MT config > /ip firewall nat add chain=src-nat action=masquerade src-address= > 172.16.6.0/24 > OR > /ip firewall nat add chain=src-nat action=src-nat src-address=172.16.6.0/24 > to-addresses=[your WAN IP here] > Masquerade will NAT your privates to the IP used to egress the routeror > something to that effect. I only use Masquerade if my WAN IP is dynamic. > -- Original Message -- > From: ch...@wbmfg.com > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: 4/5/2018 4:35:00 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Help MT config >> Example please? >> From: Adam Moffett >> Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2018 2:28 PM >> To: af@afmug.com ; af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Help MT config >> Need a src-nat rule >> -- Original Message -- >> From: ch...@wbmfg.com >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: 4/5/2018 4:27:28 PM >> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Help MT config >>> Total noob with MT configs. >>> So far this is what we have. >>> It does not pass traffic to its DHCP clients. >>> Anything obviously wrong here? >>> # apr/05/2018 14:28:41 by RouterOS 6.41.3 >>> # software id = NKWC-ZTQG >>> # >>> # model = 2011iL >>> # serial number = 607D05B9AED2 >>> /interface wireless security-profiles >>> set [ find default = yes ] supplicant-identity = MikroTik >>> /ip pool >>> add name = dhcp_pool1 ranges = 172.17.6.100-172.17.6.250 >>> /ip dhcp-server >>> add address-pool = dhcp_pool1 disabled = no interface = ether5 name = dhcp1 >>> src-address = 172.17.1.192 >>> /interface bridge port >>> add comment = defconf interface = ether1 >>> add comment = defconf interface = ether2 >>> add comment = defconf interface = ether3 >>> add comment = defconf interface = ether4 >>> add comment = defconf interface = ether5 >>> add comment = defconf interface = ether6 >>> add comment = defconf interface = ether7 >>> add comment = defconf interface = ether8 >>> add comment = defconf interface = ether9 >>> add comment = defconf interface = ether10 >>> /ip address >>> add address = 172.17.6.1 interface = ether5 network = 172.17.6.1 >>> /ip dhcp-client >>> add comment = defconf dhcp-options = hostname , clientid disabled = no >>> interface >>> = ether1 add dhcp-options = hostname , clientid disabled = no interface = >>> ether6 >>> /ip dhcp-server network >>> add address = 172.17.6.0 / 24 dns-server = 172.17.1.1 , 172.17.0.2 , 1.0.0.1 >>> gateway = 172.17.6.1 >>> /system clock >>> set time-zone-name = America/Denver [ admin @ MikroTik ] >
Re: [AFMUG] OT Asterisk
>>I would just use one interface and put a VLAN on it for private phone >>traffic. LOL ! .. you know what "VLAN" actually stands for ? Virtual Local Area Network TWO NIC vs One NIC + VLAN = Michelob in a bottle Michelob served in a Beer Glass ;) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "can...@believewireless.net" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2018 8:52:15 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Asterisk > I would just use one interface and put a VLAN on it for private phone traffic. > On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 8:19 AM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net > > wrote: >> Yes. >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> http://www.snappytelecom.net >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2018 3:38:46 PM >>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Asterisk >>> How can you make asterisk use two eth interfaces so that all the phones are >>> on a >>> private internal interface and the world is on the other?
Re: [AFMUG] OT Asterisk
Which part ? it is like setting up any dual homed server, Two NIC's with two IP ranges the service (asterisk) has to have service bindings on each interface accordingly. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Tim Reichhart" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2018 10:11:34 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Asterisk > Faisal > how can you set that up? > Tim >> -Original Message- >> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" < fai...@snappytelecom.net > >> To: af@afmug.com >> Date: 04/05/18 08:19 >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Asterisk >> Yes. >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> http://www.snappytelecom.net >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2018 3:38:46 PM >>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Asterisk >>> How can you make asterisk use two eth interfaces so that all the phones are >>> on a >>> private internal interface and the world is on the other?
Re: [AFMUG] OT Asterisk
Yes. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: ch...@wbmfg.com > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2018 3:38:46 PM > Subject: [AFMUG] OT Asterisk > How can you make asterisk use two eth interfaces so that all the phones are > on a > private internal interface and the world is on the other?
Re: [AFMUG] DSLAM choices for mdu
you should be looking at G.Fast ! http://isptech.net/ Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Sean Heskett" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 4:39:32 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSLAM choices for mdu > Netsys NV-2400H > On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 2:26 PM Sam Lambie < samtaos...@gmail.com > wrote: >> My usual vendor Versatek has discontinued their 8 port VDSL DSLAM. I am >> looking >> for something similar. Not opposed to 24 port as well. >> What are you guys using out there? >> -- >> -- >> Sam Lambie >> Taosnet Wireless Tech. >> 575-758-7598 Office >> www.Taosnet.com
Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa confirms the USA is weird
not so un-common as you would think.. especially when two wrenches are required at the same time.. (one to hold the bolt and another to tighten the nut). the nomenclature can vary from location to location :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Bill Prince" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 5:45:48 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa confirms the USA is weird > 5/16" is 0.3125". That maps to .793cm or 7.93mm. > Call it 8mm and be done. > bp > > On 3/17/2018 3:33 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote: >> So... I'm Canadian and mix metric and us units all the time. But isn't it >> weird >> to have a combination of metric and US in one piece of hardware? >> http://backhaul.help.mimosa.co/backhaul-install-b24-installation-mounting-alignment >> 10mm and a 5/16"? >> This will drive Europeans nuts. >> At least with a radiowaves 1' or 2' dish you know it is all SAE and to forget >> the metric tools...
Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: 8 hours no lunch
que lindo ! Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Jaime Solorza" > To: "Animal Farm" > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 9:37:55 AM > Subject: [AFMUG] Fwd: 8 hours no lunch > test > Jaime Solorza > Wireless Systems Architect > 915-861-1390 > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > > Date: Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 5:23 PM > Subject: 8 hours no lunch > To: Animal Farm < af@afmug.com > > Tested and certifiedyay us > Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] Expenses
I guess it depends on who does the surgery. If you can get your local plumber or car mechanic to do it, then I am sure you can expense it ! :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - > From: "Matt Hoppes" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 5:52:43 PM > Subject: [AFMUG] Expenses > So I got to thinking about something today. > > Pretty much anything needed to run the business you can expense. > > What about a surgery? Being the principle owner of a small shop I have to be > able to work. If without a surgery (say rotator cuff of something) the > business > won’t run - is there a way to expense that? > > Just like I can expense PPE, or switches? > > Or a health savings account? What creative options do I have?
Re: [AFMUG] Help I got abducted!!
Looking for private places to consume the Tecate ! ... h so I see... Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Jaime Solorza" > To: "Animal Farm" > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2018 2:45:31 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Help I got abducted!! > 🤕 > Jaime Solorza > On Feb 26, 2018 12:35 PM, "Jaime Solorza" < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > wrote: >> Working inside a tank.. >> Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...
I am waiting to see how the new Bridgewave company prices the Navigator Radio That is going to be one slick puppy.. and let's hope it is going to be priced 'disruptively' ! https://bridgewave.com/navigator/ :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Mathew Howard" > To: "af" > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 4:14:19 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective... > What did that Integra link end up costing? I'm guessing somewhere around $20k? > On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 3:02 PM, Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > > wrote: >> fyi, im bench satisfied with saf integra ws 2+0, 11ghz, 1.2gbps duplex and no >> latency, thats 4 radios 80mhz channel sets, mix 11ghz and 6ghz you can get >> aggregate rates if they have the money, the multiple radio/antenna >> footprints, >> the money, the channels, the money >> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 2:54 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net > >> wrote: >>> I am not sure where is the location.. but don't be surprised, the Cell Co's >>> have >>> been chewing up licensed spectrum like crazy with their LTE deployments. >>> Faisal Imtiaz >>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>> http://www.snappytelecom.net >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >>>> From: "Lewis Bergman" < lewis.berg...@gmail.com > >>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:11:54 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective... >>>> I bet he won't have any issues with frequencies where he is. >>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 12:04 PM Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net > >>>> wrote: >>>>> so.. here is how things will break down for you >>>>> to do 1G duplex links, you have a few choices.. >>>>> 60ghz or 80ghz (very short links) >>>>> or you do 24ghz (short to medium, depending on rain fade) >>>>> 11ghz or 6ghz.. you need to have freq available, and will be looking at >>>>> roughly >>>>> $15k / link >>>>> ( the pricing on 1G links in the range of $12k to $15k may change in >>>>> depending >>>>> on pricing announcement by Bridgewave's new radios). >>>>> Now if the requirements were say sub 1G (500meg to 800meg) then you have >>>>> a few >>>>> more options >>>>> which can be in the range of $3k to $7k per link >>>>> Bigger challenge will be finding enough licensed spectrum to do what is >>>>> needed. >>>>> Best of luck. >>>>> Regards. >>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>>> http://www.snappytelecom.net >>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >>>>>> From: "Jaime Solorza" < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > >>>>>> To: "Animal Farm" < af@afmug.com > >>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 12:49:31 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective... >>>>>> Not familiar with this productwill download specs >>>>>> Jaime Solorza >>>>>> On Feb 23, 2018 9:56 AM, "Dave" < dmilho...@wletc.com > wrote: >>>>>>> Bang it out with PTP820C ring >>>>>>> Most of the switching is now for doing such a thing is built right into >>>>>>> the ODU >>>>>>> if you go all outdoor. >>>>>>> They do make a split unit or an all indoor unit as well. >>>>>>> On 02/23/2018 10:30 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: >>>>>>>> That is what I was thinking...4 P2P links and tie them in at >>>>>>>> office...I wonder >>>>>>>> if you could colocate 4 11GHz links successfully? >>>>>>>> Jaime Solorza >>>>>>>> On Feb 23, 2018 9:07 AM, "Lewis Bergman" < lewis.berg...@gmail.com > >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> If budget isn't a problem, I would put up P2P to every location in a >>>>>>>>> ring >>>>>>>>>
Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...
I am not sure where is the location.. but don't be surprised, the Cell Co's have been chewing up licensed spectrum like crazy with their LTE deployments. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Lewis Bergman" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:11:54 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective... > I bet he won't have any issues with frequencies where he is. > On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 12:04 PM Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net > > wrote: >> so.. here is how things will break down for you >> to do 1G duplex links, you have a few choices.. >> 60ghz or 80ghz (very short links) >> or you do 24ghz (short to medium, depending on rain fade) >> 11ghz or 6ghz.. you need to have freq available, and will be looking at >> roughly >> $15k / link >> ( the pricing on 1G links in the range of $12k to $15k may change in >> depending >> on pricing announcement by Bridgewave's new radios). >> Now if the requirements were say sub 1G (500meg to 800meg) then you have a >> few >> more options >> which can be in the range of $3k to $7k per link >> Bigger challenge will be finding enough licensed spectrum to do what is >> needed. >> Best of luck. >> Regards. >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> http://www.snappytelecom.net >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >>> From: "Jaime Solorza" < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > >>> To: "Animal Farm" < af@afmug.com > >>> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 12:49:31 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective... >>> Not familiar with this productwill download specs >>> Jaime Solorza >>> On Feb 23, 2018 9:56 AM, "Dave" < dmilho...@wletc.com > wrote: >>>> Bang it out with PTP820C ring >>>> Most of the switching is now for doing such a thing is built right into >>>> the ODU >>>> if you go all outdoor. >>>> They do make a split unit or an all indoor unit as well. >>>> On 02/23/2018 10:30 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: >>>>> That is what I was thinking...4 P2P links and tie them in at office...I >>>>> wonder >>>>> if you could colocate 4 11GHz links successfully? >>>>> Jaime Solorza >>>>> On Feb 23, 2018 9:07 AM, "Lewis Bergman" < lewis.berg...@gmail.com > >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> If budget isn't a problem, I would put up P2P to every location in a ring >>>>>> topology. A little routing or switch magic (your preference) and you >>>>>> have a >>>>>> redundant setup. >>>>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:03 AM Jeremy < jeremysmi...@gmail.com > wrote: >>>>>>> I would assume that you can add a fourth location... >>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Jeremy < jeremysmi...@gmail.com > >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> CL has an option called Fiber Plus that will give them a gig at three >>>>>>>> locations. >>>>>>>> ISPs are not eligible, as it no longer allows resale. If they can get >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> deal, it would be your best bet. They tie everything together on a >>>>>>>> VLAN. >>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza < >>>>>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com > >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps feed to office >>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>> CenturyLink. They have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, 6.2 and 9.1 >>>>>>>>> miles ) >>>>>>>>> from office. All are west and with a 60 degree span if I was using a >>>>>>>>> sectored >>>>>>>>> antenna. On email, they indicated they want licensed links and want >>>>>>>>> to deliver >>>>>>>>> 1GBps to each location. Not sure if they are adding more CenturyLink >>>>>>>>> feeds to >>>>>>>>> provide 1Gig to each site. I wonder what you guys would recommend? I >>>>>>>>> know it's >>>>>>>>> a energy company and Pecan farm outfit in eastern NM. Let's say they >>>>>>>>> have good >>>>>>>>> budget , dazzle me with your suggestions? >>>>>>>>> Jaime Solorza >>>> --
Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...
so.. here is how things will break down for you to do 1G duplex links, you have a few choices.. 60ghz or 80ghz (very short links) or you do 24ghz (short to medium, depending on rain fade) 11ghz or 6ghz.. you need to have freq available, and will be looking at roughly $15k / link ( the pricing on 1G links in the range of $12k to $15k may change in depending on pricing announcement by Bridgewave's new radios). Now if the requirements were say sub 1G (500meg to 800meg) then you have a few more options which can be in the range of $3k to $7k per link Bigger challenge will be finding enough licensed spectrum to do what is needed. Best of luck. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Jaime Solorza" > To: "Animal Farm" > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 12:49:31 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective... > Not familiar with this productwill download specs > Jaime Solorza > On Feb 23, 2018 9:56 AM, "Dave" < dmilho...@wletc.com > wrote: >> Bang it out with PTP820C ring >> Most of the switching is now for doing such a thing is built right into the >> ODU >> if you go all outdoor. >> They do make a split unit or an all indoor unit as well. >> On 02/23/2018 10:30 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: >>> That is what I was thinking...4 P2P links and tie them in at office...I >>> wonder >>> if you could colocate 4 11GHz links successfully? >>> Jaime Solorza >>> On Feb 23, 2018 9:07 AM, "Lewis Bergman" < lewis.berg...@gmail.com > wrote: >>>> If budget isn't a problem, I would put up P2P to every location in a ring >>>> topology. A little routing or switch magic (your preference) and you have a >>>> redundant setup. >>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:03 AM Jeremy < jeremysmi...@gmail.com > wrote: >>>>> I would assume that you can add a fourth location... >>>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Jeremy < jeremysmi...@gmail.com > wrote: >>>>>> CL has an option called Fiber Plus that will give them a gig at three >>>>>> locations. >>>>>> ISPs are not eligible, as it no longer allows resale. If they can get >>>>>> that >>>>>> deal, it would be your best bet. They tie everything together on a VLAN. >>>>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza < >>>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com > >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps feed to office >>>>>>> from >>>>>>> CenturyLink. They have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, 6.2 and 9.1 >>>>>>> miles ) >>>>>>> from office. All are west and with a 60 degree span if I was using a >>>>>>> sectored >>>>>>> antenna. On email, they indicated they want licensed links and want to >>>>>>> deliver >>>>>>> 1GBps to each location. Not sure if they are adding more CenturyLink >>>>>>> feeds to >>>>>>> provide 1Gig to each site. I wonder what you guys would recommend? I >>>>>>> know it's >>>>>>> a energy company and Pecan farm outfit in eastern NM. Let's say they >>>>>>> have good >>>>>>> budget , dazzle me with your suggestions? >>>>>>> Jaime Solorza >> --
Re: [AFMUG] LC to FC Fiber Optic Adapter - Any experience?
You will be fine with the connector.. BTW, to put you at ease, those adapters are normally used on Light Meters ... :) I have them, and use them with the light meter. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Jeremy" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 7:13:57 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LC to FC Fiber Optic Adapter - Any experience? > Single mode. This is the issue. We already have a multimode and a singlemode > fiber in the conduit. We have LC Duplex on both ends of both cables. We used > to > run into the upstream Cisco DeMarc. Now, we are doing a direct handoff 10G > into > their fiber distribution panel. > On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 5:04 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net > > wrote: >> Question:- >> What is the type of existing cable you have currently in place ? >> Single Mode Fiber (typically yellow jacket) or Multi-Mode Fiber (typically >> orange jacket). >> There is nothing wrong in using these adapters, they work well. There may be >> a >> wee bit of extra loss created, nothing different than what is created by >> having >> a 'connector'. >> Regards. >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> http://www.snappytelecom.net >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >>> From: "Jeremy" < jeremysmi...@gmail.com > >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 7:01:03 PM >>> Subject: [AFMUG] LC to FC Fiber Optic Adapter - Any experience? >>> Have any of you ever used one of these adapters to go from LC to FC? I'm >>> trying >>> to decide if I should pull a new cable or just adapt it. It is for a 10G >>> connection, and I don't know if the adapters are reliable or if they are >>> another potential point of failure. >>> Example: https://www.fs.com/products/12086.html
Re: [AFMUG] LC to FC Fiber Optic Adapter - Any experience?
Question:- What is the type of existing cable you have currently in place ? Single Mode Fiber (typically yellow jacket) or Multi-Mode Fiber (typically orange jacket). There is nothing wrong in using these adapters, they work well. There may be a wee bit of extra loss created, nothing different than what is created by having a 'connector'. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Jeremy" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 7:01:03 PM > Subject: [AFMUG] LC to FC Fiber Optic Adapter - Any experience? > Have any of you ever used one of these adapters to go from LC to FC? I'm > trying > to decide if I should pull a new cable or just adapt it. It is for a 10G > connection, and I don't know if the adapters are reliable or if they are > another potential point of failure. > Example: https://www.fs.com/products/12086.html
Re: [AFMUG] Packet/Traffic Generation Tools
FYI.. for a quick nice over-view https://mum.mikrotik.com//presentations/EU17/presentation_4081_1490963921.pdf Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" > To: "af" > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 3:11:58 AM > Subject: [AFMUG] Packet/Traffic Generation Tools > I apologize for the quantity of mostly on-topic questions I'm about to ask in > 2-3 different emails. > For this instance (of the on-topic question emails), I am looking for > recommendations for tools to generate traffic for testing purposes, > specifically the ability to generate things like certain multicast protocol > packets and arp floods and various other specific packet types. I need to do > some stress testing of one of my products and need to be able to generate > various packets at will. Some will be based on something I captured, others > will be strategically crafted to perhaps cause an issue. > Last time I did this there were only horrible command line tools and GUI > programs under windows neither of which were very pleasant to use. I believe I > ended up hacking together some code to make this work, which I could do again, > but I'd really rather take a more lazy approach. > I'm hopeful I can find some intuitive tool which runs preferably under > Windows, > but if not under Linux is acceptable. I'd love to stay away from composing > this > on a command line since that is unwieldy. > -- > Forrest Christian CEO , PacketFlux Technologies, Inc. > Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 > forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
Re: [AFMUG] Waveguide slot alingnment with integra ws to omt
hmm I am not an expert.. but from the pictures it would appear that you are missing a set of mounting plates.. The first set of pictures look like a mounting plate for the Antenna side, where the OMT will attach to.. (they wave guide is circular, to all for both polarities, mounting direction would not be relevant). The 2nd picture shows the OMT flage and the radio.. so some how the radio has to attach to each side of the OMT flage. H & V are marked properly .. if you can read the letter properly (straight) then the slot is in the appropriate direction. The Integra radios apparently attach at 45degree angel .. so where are the plates which should attach to each of the two flanges (H & V) so that you can mount (screw) the radio on them ? :) my two cents worth ! Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Steve Jones" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 3:50:57 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Waveguide slot alingnment with integra ws to omt > To add to the confusion i have, look at the face stamps as compared to the > background sticker. It this just standard stuff i should defaultly understand? > This is the first time ive ever seen an OMT in person, but it seems something > is off or im making things to complicated, either are equal candidates. > On Feb 21, 2018 1:57 PM, "Steve Jones" < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: >> Attachments >> On Feb 21, 2018 1:53 PM, "Steve Jones" < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: >>> Im having a communication breakdown with SAF. I know the underlying issue >>> probably has to do with why integra WS is not advertised as a 2+0 system. >>> There >>> are no alignment markers or pins between the radio interface and the OMT >>> interface. Im assuming when aligning waveguide slots you have very little >>> marging for error. Attached are the radio and omt interface, and the omt >>> antenna interface, the alignment pins are pointed out with screwdrivers, >>> there >>> are no pins for the radio side and theyre threaded holes that dont look like >>> they would align. >>> Anybody have advice on making sure these line up. Or is there a margin >>> allowed. >>> We had to give up our power margin on this link to get approval because the >>> pcn >>> was contested, i dont have any spare dbs to give
Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector
Live & Learn ! ... Mythbusters ! Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Steve Jones" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 8:26:01 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector > I thought this stuff was only functionally effective up to 700 feet > On Feb 20, 2018 6:44 PM, "Bill Prince" < part15...@gmail.com > wrote: >> FYI ... -40C = -40F >> bp >> >> On 2/20/2018 1:48 PM, Harold Bledsoe wrote: >>> It's tested to -40C. If that makes you feel better. :-)
Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector
nice one Chuck ! :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: ch...@wbmfg.com > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 4:51:29 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector > Yes, but is it tested to the more rigorous –40F? > From: Harold Bledsoe > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 2:48 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector > It's tested to -40C. If that makes you feel better. :-) > -Hal > On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 2:10 PM Colin Stanners < cstann...@gmail.com > wrote: >> Speed and price look extremely impressive... but it's not rated to operate in >> cold weather (only down to -30 Celsius) therefore not an option for us in >> why-are-you-living-there central Canada. >> On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 1:47 PM, Stefan Englhardt < s...@genias.net > wrote: >>> Still everything on plain 802.11 or is tdma done? >>> Von: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] Im Auftrag von Mathew Howard >>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 20. Februar 2018 19:45 >>> An: af < af@afmug.com > >>> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector >>> Pricing isn't bad at all, the AP is only about $1k, which is actually >>> cheaper >>> than a lot of 5ghz systems when you consider that it covers 360 degrees, and >>> there aren't any other antennas involved. The clients are a bit pricey >>> though... ranging from around $300-$600... realistically, probably around >>> $500 >>> for most customers. >>> I have one sitting here ready to go up as soon as the weather is good enough >>> that I can get myself to climb up a tower... one of our service techs lives >>> close enough to the tower that I'm planning on putting it on to work at >>> 60ghz, >>> so that should be a good test. >>> On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 12:28 PM, < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: >>>> Nice. How does the price compare to other PMP solutions? >>>> From: Mathew Howard >>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 11:25 AM >>>> To: af >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector >>>> It is dual frequency. It's got a built in 5ghz omni as well as the three >>>> 60ghz >>>> radio... it actually has a 2.4ghz radio in there to, although I can't >>>> imagine >>>> actually using that. >>>> On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 11:43 AM, < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: >>>>> Please forgive me for being ignorant about this product, but is it a dual >>>>> freq >>>>> with fail over to 5.8GHz during 60 GHz fades/outages or do you put up the >>>>> 60 >>>>> GHz and hope for the best? >>>>> From: Gino A. Villarini >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 10:29 AM >>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector >>>>> 2.5 gbps OTA per sector, 3 inside … 1.1-1.3 gbps real per sector >>>>> From: Af < af-boun...@afmug.com > on behalf of Jason McKemie < >>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com > >>>>> Reply-To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > >>>>> Date: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 at 1:13 PM >>>>> To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector >>>>> What's the beamwidth on this? >>>>> On Tuesday, February 20, 2018, Gino A. Villarini < g...@aeronetpr.com > >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Gino A. Villarini >>>>>> President >>>>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 >>>>> Gino A. Villarini >>>>> President >>>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...
Fair point Jaime. One can look at as "Life Insurance" ... e.g. one time use when needed ! (I am not arguing about the need for it.. just making the case that we would like to see it a bit more cost effective :) ) :) regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Jaime Solorza" > To: "Animal Farm" > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 11:12:06 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... > I will climb the tallest tree or tower and cry out Franklin lightning > protection method has worked very well for us. I shared posts several years > ago > of a UV system that kept getting hit and damaged until I put an air terminal > 10 > ft. above tower and ran copper wire straight down to grounding rods...that's > step one.. grounding and in line protection on all copper lines using best > method and products like Chuck's. > Jaime Solorza > On Feb 14, 2018 8:05 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" < fai...@snappytelecom.net > wrote: >> So while we are playing what if's >> let's face reality... >> If tower is hit by lightning, all active surge/fuse/ports will be hit. >> Chances of one or two only is small >> Yes I fully understand the value of the surge protector, fuse and the >> benefit of >> having a POE switch. >> :) >> Regards. >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> http://www.snappytelecom.net >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >> - Original Message - >> > From: "Robert Andrews" < i...@avantwireless.com > >> > To: af@afmug.com >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 1:20:57 PM >> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... >> > I look at as, if you have a short on a port Chuck costs the price of one >> > card, $20 and the netonix is a whole box, even if you RMA it... Yes the >> > initial cost is steep, but the future cost/time is priceless... >> > On 02/14/2018 10:04 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: >> >> Thanks for the reply... >> >> I was looking at things more simply... >> >> To protect 10/12 ports we are talking about $200/$250 give or take >> >> Switch value may be in similar ball park >> >> It would be nice to see these in more of the $10 range.. >> >> I completely understand the production qty run vs cost. >> >> Maybe, just a suggestion, we (as a group) can commit to a per-purchase >> >> qty, if >> >> that will help in bring the cost down. >> >> Regards. >> >> Faisal Imtiaz >> >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> >> http://www.snappytelecom.net >> >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >> >> - Original Message - >> >>> From: "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com > >> >>> To: "Animal Farm" < af@afmug.com > >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 10:27:31 AM >> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... >> >>> We have been shipping for months. >> >>> The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the >> >>> fuse. >> >>> And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses >> >>> involved in blowing a port. >> >>> The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors. I don't >> >>> encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price. >> >>> That >> >>> site is only there to generate sales for distributors. >> >>> All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin. Same formula >> >>> across the board pretty much. I try to have unique products you can't get >> >>> other places. If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the >> >>> price down due to the fact that my costs come down. For example, if I am >> >>> buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each. But if I >> >>> am >> >>> only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50. >> >>> I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector >> >>> for >> >>> exactly this reason. Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying >> >>> and >> >>> was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my >> >>> margins. >> >>> -Original Message- >> >>> From: Faisal Imtiaz >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM >> >>> To: Animal Farm >> >>> Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... >> >>> Hi Chuck, >> >>> Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse. >> >>> Question & critique. >> >>> When are these going to be available ? >> >>> We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive... >> >>> (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be >> >>> exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! ) >> >>> Regards. >> >>> Faisal Imtiaz >> >>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> >>> http://www.snappytelecom.net >> >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> >>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...
So while we are playing what if's let's face reality... If tower is hit by lightning, all active surge/fuse/ports will be hit. Chances of one or two only is small Yes I fully understand the value of the surge protector, fuse and the benefit of having a POE switch. :) Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - > From: "Robert Andrews" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 1:20:57 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... > I look at as, if you have a short on a port Chuck costs the price of one > card, $20 and the netonix is a whole box, even if you RMA it... Yes the > initial cost is steep, but the future cost/time is priceless... > > > > On 02/14/2018 10:04 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: >> Thanks for the reply... >> >> I was looking at things more simply... >> To protect 10/12 ports we are talking about $200/$250 give or take >> Switch value may be in similar ball park >> >> It would be nice to see these in more of the $10 range.. >> >> I completely understand the production qty run vs cost. >> >> Maybe, just a suggestion, we (as a group) can commit to a per-purchase qty, >> if >> that will help in bring the cost down. >> >> Regards. >> >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> http://www.snappytelecom.net >> >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >> >> - Original Message - >>> From: "Chuck McCown" >>> To: "Animal Farm" >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 10:27:31 AM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... >> >>> We have been shipping for months. >>> The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the >>> fuse. >>> And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses >>> involved in blowing a port. >>> >>> The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors. I don't >>> encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price. That >>> site is only there to generate sales for distributors. >>> >>> All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin. Same formula >>> across the board pretty much. I try to have unique products you can't get >>> other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the >>> price down due to the fact that my costs come down. For example, if I am >>> buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each. But if I am >>> only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50. >>> >>> I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector for >>> exactly this reason. Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying and >>> was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my margins. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Faisal Imtiaz >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM >>> To: Animal Farm >>> Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... >>> >>> Hi Chuck, >>> >>> Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse. >>> >>> Question & critique. >>>When are these going to be available ? >>>We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive... >>>(At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be >>> exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! ) >>> >>> Regards. >>> >>> Faisal Imtiaz >>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>> http://www.snappytelecom.net >>> >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >>> >>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...
Thanks for the reply... I was looking at things more simply... To protect 10/12 ports we are talking about $200/$250 give or take Switch value may be in similar ball park It would be nice to see these in more of the $10 range.. I completely understand the production qty run vs cost. Maybe, just a suggestion, we (as a group) can commit to a per-purchase qty, if that will help in bring the cost down. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - > From: "Chuck McCown" > To: "Animal Farm" > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 10:27:31 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... > We have been shipping for months. > The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the > fuse. > And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses > involved in blowing a port. > > The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors. I don't > encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price. That > site is only there to generate sales for distributors. > > All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin. Same formula > across the board pretty much. I try to have unique products you can't get > other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the > price down due to the fact that my costs come down. For example, if I am > buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each. But if I am > only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50. > > I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector for > exactly this reason. Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying and > was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my margins. > > -Original Message- > From: Faisal Imtiaz > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM > To: Animal Farm > Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... > > Hi Chuck, > > Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse. > > Question & critique. > When are these going to be available ? > We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive... > (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be > exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! ) > > Regards. > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > http://www.snappytelecom.net > > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
[AFMUG] POE Fuse ...
Hi Chuck, Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse. Question & critique. When are these going to be available ? We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive... (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! ) Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
This is 2018, your email account is as private as a WallMart Store location. You don't like a piece of email, send it to trash You don't like getting emails from someone, black list it, filter it .. You don't like to be sent email, take your email address and go back home ! Bitching about it as if you have been violated, on a public list, does not buy you any favors or good graces.. :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - > From: fiber...@mail.com > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 1:58:23 PM > Subject: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck > I just got spammed by Chuck McCown. What's up with that? > > I sure as hell haven't signed up for any of his email lists nor done any > business with him, or even indicate I would like to. I find it in extremely > poor taste to mine the Af list for spam targets. > > Jared
Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz
I cannot speak for SAF as a mfg. but most distributors (including ones selling SAF) do offer a package. Most of them are not marking it up . The only ones that I know had a discount negotiated for coordination fess is Mimosa. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Chuck McCown" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 8:52:35 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz > If I have been offered a package, I cannot remember it. If I turned it down it > was because I could save money by not taking the package. > So, if this exists, it exists. Does SAF do this? Last radios I put up were > SAF. > From: Faisal Imtiaz > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 5:45 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz > I am guessing you don't know this.. but every distributor that is selling > license radios, offers a 'licensing coordination' package. In case of Mimosa, > they actually have an arrangement with one of the coordinators to get the job > done at a discounted rate. > So, what I am missing... ? > Regards. > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > http://www.snappytelecom.net > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >> From: "Chuck McCown" >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 4:24:07 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz >> If you are selling radios that need licenses, I would think that perhaps you >> should get some kind of bulk deal and pass the saving along to your >> customers. >> Radio, antenna, license – all in a package for one simple price. >> Right now we buy the car at one place, then we go across the street and buy >> tires and put them on the car, then we push it to the gas station for gas. >> Ford >> may not be in the business of refining petroleum or making tires, but can >> certainly drive the car off the lot. And in all cases in recent memory the >> dealership also does everything necessary for obtaining the license plate >> too. >> From: Faisal Imtiaz >> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 1:40 PM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz >> >>. I should have caveated that, b11 is crummy. >> Here is the part that I love about the WISP's... Everyone is Opinionated to >> the >> Nth degree without explanation or possible understanding of why they have >> such >> an opinion. and that is ok, as long as it is expressed in that context >> ... >> As an engineer, I tend to dismiss all opinions, unless the person offering >> the >> opinion can offer an explanation which has some sound technical backing to >> support it.. Similarly, I also tend to dismiss the "I love it" opinions, >> unless >> they are backed up to the reason why. >> I am happy to see lots of options in the market space, no one can please >> everyone . FWIW, We use gear from many different mfg. each for their >> strengths, and not their weaknesses. We find that each of these products >> shine >> in the different ares of the three common requirement that everyone has.. >> Needs >> to be Good Quality, Fast Performance, and Cost Effective.. >> In regards to the debate about Freq., I will suggest to the OP that do a >> little >> bit of reading on the fade characteristics of different Freq. is, this is >> physics, and totally vendor agnostic, and this will greatly help you in >> gaining >> a better understanding of what is the difference one can expect between >> 24Gz/23GHZ/18GHZ/11GHZ/6GHZ etc.. for their deployment region.. (I agree with >> Steve, in regards to the missing context of rain zone, and I also agree with >> Mike H.. that Rain zone's are a rough guide, not an absolute ref ). >> I am a bit puzzled about Chuck M's comment about the Cost of License being >> high >> ? and a desire to purchase a 'bundle' which includes coordination etc... I >> would like to see if Chuck can elaborate a bit more on this... >> :) >> Happy Weekend. >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> http://www.snappytelecom.net >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >>> From: "Steve Jones" >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 11:25:17 AM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz >>> I should have caveated that,
Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz
I am guessing you don't know this.. but every distributor that is selling license radios, offers a 'licensing coordination' package. In case of Mimosa, they actually have an arrangement with one of the coordinators to get the job done at a discounted rate. So, what I am missing... ? Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Chuck McCown" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 4:24:07 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz > If you are selling radios that need licenses, I would think that perhaps you > should get some kind of bulk deal and pass the saving along to your customers. > Radio, antenna, license – all in a package for one simple price. > Right now we buy the car at one place, then we go across the street and buy > tires and put them on the car, then we push it to the gas station for gas. > Ford > may not be in the business of refining petroleum or making tires, but can > certainly drive the car off the lot. And in all cases in recent memory the > dealership also does everything necessary for obtaining the license plate too. > From: Faisal Imtiaz > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 1:40 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz > >>. I should have caveated that, b11 is crummy. > Here is the part that I love about the WISP's... Everyone is Opinionated to > the > Nth degree without explanation or possible understanding of why they have such > an opinion. and that is ok, as long as it is expressed in that context ... > As an engineer, I tend to dismiss all opinions, unless the person offering the > opinion can offer an explanation which has some sound technical backing to > support it.. Similarly, I also tend to dismiss the "I love it" opinions, > unless > they are backed up to the reason why. > I am happy to see lots of options in the market space, no one can please > everyone . FWIW, We use gear from many different mfg. each for their > strengths, and not their weaknesses. We find that each of these products shine > in the different ares of the three common requirement that everyone has.. > Needs > to be Good Quality, Fast Performance, and Cost Effective.. > In regards to the debate about Freq., I will suggest to the OP that do a > little > bit of reading on the fade characteristics of different Freq. is, this is > physics, and totally vendor agnostic, and this will greatly help you in > gaining > a better understanding of what is the difference one can expect between > 24Gz/23GHZ/18GHZ/11GHZ/6GHZ etc.. for their deployment region.. (I agree with > Steve, in regards to the missing context of rain zone, and I also agree with > Mike H.. that Rain zone's are a rough guide, not an absolute ref ). > I am a bit puzzled about Chuck M's comment about the Cost of License being > high > ? and a desire to purchase a 'bundle' which includes coordination etc... I > would like to see if Chuck can elaborate a bit more on this... > :) > Happy Weekend. > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > http://www.snappytelecom.net > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >> From: "Steve Jones" >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 11:25:17 AM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz >> I should have caveated that, b11 is crummy. I havent seen much bad about the >> 5ghz stuff >> On Feb 11, 2018 9:47 AM, "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: >>> Mimosa 5 GHz works great for me. Don't use shit antennas. >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>> The Brothers WISP >>> From: "Steve Jones" < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 12:34:23 AM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz >>> Seriously, these questions, please, please, please! State your rain region. >>> Here,. id like to punch anybody in the eye who lies to you and tells you 24 >>> GHZ >>> is a good idea over 1.2 miles ( I dont care the KM Im mercan) but some guy >>> in a >>> desert might tell you its an awesome idea at 6 miles, I dont care about him >>> here, he doesnt care about me there. If you get into the higher frequencies >>> yout rain zone, it really matters. >>> but when it works, it works, and in 24 GHZ right now, theres nothing on th >>> market that compares to AF,
Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz
>>. I should have caveated that, b11 is crummy. Here is the part that I love about the WISP's... Everyone is Opinionated to the Nth degree without explanation or possible understanding of why they have such an opinion. and that is ok, as long as it is expressed in that context ... As an engineer, I tend to dismiss all opinions, unless the person offering the opinion can offer an explanation which has some sound technical backing to support it.. Similarly, I also tend to dismiss the "I love it" opinions, unless they are backed up to the reason why. I am happy to see lots of options in the market space, no one can please everyone . FWIW, We use gear from many different mfg. each for their strengths, and not their weaknesses. We find that each of these products shine in the different ares of the three common requirement that everyone has.. Needs to be Good Quality, Fast Performance, and Cost Effective.. In regards to the debate about Freq., I will suggest to the OP that do a little bit of reading on the fade characteristics of different Freq. is, this is physics, and totally vendor agnostic, and this will greatly help you in gaining a better understanding of what is the difference one can expect between 24Gz/23GHZ/18GHZ/11GHZ/6GHZ etc.. for their deployment region.. (I agree with Steve, in regards to the missing context of rain zone, and I also agree with Mike H.. that Rain zone's are a rough guide, not an absolute ref ). I am a bit puzzled about Chuck M's comment about the Cost of License being high ? and a desire to purchase a 'bundle' which includes coordination etc... I would like to see if Chuck can elaborate a bit more on this... :) Happy Weekend. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Steve Jones" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 11:25:17 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz > I should have caveated that, b11 is crummy. I havent seen much bad about the > 5ghz stuff > On Feb 11, 2018 9:47 AM, "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: >> Mimosa 5 GHz works great for me. Don't use shit antennas. >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> Midwest Internet Exchange >> The Brothers WISP >> From: "Steve Jones" < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 12:34:23 AM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz >> Seriously, these questions, please, please, please! State your rain region. >> Here,. id like to punch anybody in the eye who lies to you and tells you 24 >> GHZ >> is a good idea over 1.2 miles ( I dont care the KM Im mercan) but some guy >> in a >> desert might tell you its an awesome idea at 6 miles, I dont care about him >> here, he doesnt care about me there. If you get into the higher frequencies >> yout rain zone, it really matters. >> but when it works, it works, and in 24 GHZ right now, theres nothing on th >> market that compares to AF, even if you skimp on the HD. Literally >> nothing >> Ive looked. you can pay 10k with the other actual carrier classes for >> 200mb... >> just not worth it, if 24 works to go anywhere else. You have to remember, >> UBNT >> 24ghz (airfiber) is NOT a UBNT product, its a Motorola product. Just before >> Motorola shit canned, UBNT bought \theirguys. >> 11ghz, totally different beast. you OWN the channel, and you can be a dick >> about >> it. Like central Illinois wanting to put up a link. If your in central >> Indiana, >> you can contest... This is fact, we just had to trade off 10db to get a link >> because it was contested 100 miles away, because our max EIRP could impact >> that >> link during its lowest rain fade hundreds of miles away. Im not complaining, >> if >> I had their GIS and hired guns, I would have done it too. >> however, I literally can come in across the street on your 24 ghz link, put >> it >> on the same channel as you and just pump out on maximum power all day. You >> know >> what you can do? you can go to Starbucks, get yourelf a nice double frappe >> vanilla bean, half caf, choco humpagoat with double froth, and take it to >> your >> shop, set it in the middle of your chair and sit on it while humming Mary >> had a >> little lamb. Thats it, thats the end of your recourse. >> And dont ever talk about Mimosa again. Its garbage. If I was going to put >> another link up outside of what I can do again, I wouldnt touch Mimosa, not >> if >> th
Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz
11Ghz 6-10 miles 24GZ good for 1-2miles in high rain fade areas, longer distance if you have backup and don't care about rain fade. >>>For 11 GHz, we would likely stay with the Mimosa product line Not a bad decision, depending on channel availability don't chalk off the AF11x...smaller channels AF11x pushes more bw. >>For 24 GHz we’d likely go with the Ubiquiti AF 24 or AF 24 HD. Cannot go wrong with these but . if you like the orange logo Wait for it... Wait for it not too far out .. !.....;) Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "David Coudron" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 5:57:40 PM > Subject: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz > I know this topic has come up before, but thought I would throw it out again > to > hear additional thoughts as products continue to evolve. We have been doing > primarily 5 GHz backhaul using Mimosa products for the last couple of years. > Their frequency reuse has really helped us, but we are starting to see more > locations that have lots of noise. We’d like to make the jump to higher > frequencies and are looking at 11 GHz and 24 GHz for that. The links we need > are fairly short, 6-10 miles max, which pushes the limits of the 24 GHz > solutions, but with a very clean line of site we think we are in range for the > links we are looking at as far as the design tools tell us. For 11 GHz, we > would likely stay with the Mimosa product line, we know it pretty well and > have > all the management tools in place for it. For 24 GHz we’d likely go with the > Ubiquiti AF 24 or AF 24 HD. We have worked with Ubiquiti stuff here and there, > and just don’t have much familiarity with any other options outside of > AirFiber. Here is where we see the Pros and Cons of the two options: > Mimosa 11 GHz Pros: >1. Licensed, should be clean spectrum for the full term of the license and > require less babysitting for interference >2. Should support longer links, but that isn’t a big consideration for us > as it >looks like everything we will need is under the limits of the HD for sure > and > likely the AF 24 as well > 3. Little less susceptible to rain fade > Cons: > 1. Have to mess around with the license and there is a cost associated > with it >2. Have to buy the dish separately, and know which to use before applying > for > the license > 3. Not quite as much throughput (when compared to the AF 24 HD) > 4. More expensive that the AF 24 (but likely a little less than the HD) > Ubiquiti AF 24 Pros: > 1. All in one unit, easy to figure out what to have on hand for all links > 2. No messing around with licenses, making it much quicker to deploy > 3. Higher throughput on the HD > Cons: >1. Unlicensed. Might fight other noise out there, and even quiet links now > might > have noise later >2. Not as familiar with this tool set as we are with Mimosa, although this > isn’t > a big consideration as we have worked with lots of Ubiquiti products > 3. Cost of HD is pretty high for an unlicensed link > Here are some questions we are hoping for help with: >1. How much room in the unlicensed band is there to move channels if you > see >other noise out there? We have been looking but are finding it tough to > figure >out if we run wide channels, and see noise, will we be able to move to > other > channels. >2. Is it reasonable to think you can push 1.2 aggregate IP traffic across > any of >the three options B11, AF24 or AF24HD? Seems like a well planned link with >great line of site at 6 miles should be able to, but looking for some real > world experience. >3. Any oddball items we should take into consideration other than the ones > already mentioned here? Or are we missing some obvious questions? > Thanks, > David Coudron
Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware
NO firmware updates, unless you have a support contract.. they did this back in 2014 ! Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - > From: "Sterling Jacobson" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 3:34:14 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware > I like Dells, but I have HP's because of the excess/price on eBay. > > You are saying HP doesn't support like Dell? > > I can believe that. > > -Original Message----- > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz > Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 1:14 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware > > In my opinion, check out the firmware / support polices for HP vs Dell, > before > you make a decision on what hardware to purchase. > > :) > > Regards. > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > http://www.snappytelecom.net > > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > > - Original Message - >> From: "Andreas Wiatowski" >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 1:08:33 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware > >> I just pickup off lease HP's on Ebay, lots of ram processors and >> disk... usually don't pay more than $500-800 for them. Gen 7 and 8's. >> Lots of reputable sellers. >> >> Also, Checkout PROXMOX. It's a pretty cool virtualization platform >> with a community edition that you hack around to get the latest >> version. I find it very easy... you can take VMDK files and convert >> them and spin up a new instance of anything easily. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Andreas Wiatowski, CEO >> Silo Wireless Inc. >> 1-866-727-4138 x-600 >> http://www.silowireless.com <http://www.silowireless.com/> Wireless | >> Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV >> >> Silo Wireless is a Proud Member of: >> CanWISP http://www.canwisp.ca >> WISPA http://wispa.org >> Brantford Brant Chamber of Commerce >> Paris Chamber of Commerce >> Cambridge Chamber of Commerce >> >> >> _ >> The contents of this email message and any attachments are intended >> solely for the addressee(s) and may contain confidential and/or >> privileged information and may be legally protected from disclosure. >> If you are not the intended recipient of this message or their agent, >> or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please >> immediately alert the sender by reply email and then delete this >> message and any attachments. If you are not the intended recipient, >> you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, copying, or storage of >> this >> message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. >> >>On 2018-02-06, 1:02 PM, "Af on behalf of Nate Burke" >> wrote: >> >>I'm going to need to bring online a couple new servers (OS Instances) in >>the next month or 2. They could probably be housed inside a single >>physical machine as VM's. It's been a while since I've had to pickup >>new server hardware. What's a good spec now for a machine to do VM's. >>Are NAS prices cheap enough now that you'd go with external storage, or >>just have a single physical machine with internal HDD's. Hardware NAS, >>or another machine running linux and ZFS? With external Storage, does >>it all have to be 10G networking to prevent bottlenecks? About 6 years >>ago I put in a single standalone server running VMWare, but it's out of >>resources to add new VM's to it. >> >>It looks like Newegg has lots of Refurb Dell and HP servers (with no >>HDD's) for cheap. DL380G5 ~$100. I'd like to stay in the $2k-$3k range >>for this project. Or is hosting your own hardware not even worth it >>anymore? Just go get a server from 1and1 for $5/mo setup a VPN back to > > the network and be done?
Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware
In my opinion, check out the firmware / support polices for HP vs Dell, before you make a decision on what hardware to purchase. :) Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - > From: "Andreas Wiatowski" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 1:08:33 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware > I just pickup off lease HP's on Ebay, lots of ram processors and disk... > usually > don't pay more than $500-800 for them. Gen 7 and 8's. Lots of reputable > sellers. > > Also, Checkout PROXMOX. It's a pretty cool virtualization platform with a > community edition that you hack around to get the latest version. I find it > very easy... you can take VMDK files and convert them and spin up a new > instance of anything easily. > > Cheers, > > Andreas Wiatowski, CEO > Silo Wireless Inc. > 1-866-727-4138 x-600 > http://www.silowireless.com <http://www.silowireless.com/> > Wireless | Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV > > Silo Wireless is a Proud Member of: > CanWISP http://www.canwisp.ca > WISPA http://wispa.org > Brantford Brant Chamber of Commerce > Paris Chamber of Commerce > Cambridge Chamber of Commerce > > > _ > The contents of this email message and any attachments are intended solely for > the addressee(s) and may contain confidential and/or privileged information > and > may be legally protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended > recipient > of this message or their agent, or if this message has been addressed to you > in > error, please immediately alert the sender by reply email and then delete this > message and any attachments. If you are not the intended recipient, you are > hereby notified that any use, dissemination, copying, or storage of this > message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. > >On 2018-02-06, 1:02 PM, "Af on behalf of Nate Burke" behalf of n...@blastcomm.com> wrote: > >I'm going to need to bring online a couple new servers (OS Instances) in >the next month or 2. They could probably be housed inside a single >physical machine as VM's. It's been a while since I've had to pickup >new server hardware. What's a good spec now for a machine to do VM's. >Are NAS prices cheap enough now that you'd go with external storage, or >just have a single physical machine with internal HDD's. Hardware NAS, >or another machine running linux and ZFS? With external Storage, does >it all have to be 10G networking to prevent bottlenecks? About 6 years >ago I put in a single standalone server running VMWare, but it's out of >resources to add new VM's to it. > >It looks like Newegg has lots of Refurb Dell and HP servers (with no >HDD's) for cheap. DL380G5 ~$100. I'd like to stay in the $2k-$3k range >for this project. Or is hosting your own hardware not even worth it >anymore? Just go get a server from 1and1 for $5/mo setup a VPN back to > the network and be done?
Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?
>>Nobody's saying you're wrong, but aren't you kind of overbuilding your home >>WiFi? Yes, that is required for ubiquitous coverage and roaming ! Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Adam Moffett" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 5:17:21 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range? > Nobody's saying you're wrong, but aren't you kind of overbuilding your home > WiFi? > -- Original Message -- > From: "Josh Reynolds" < j...@kyneticwifi.com > > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: 2/1/2018 3:54:42 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range? >> Again, last time, people need to stop looking for "the most powerful long >> range >> AP" :) >> It doesn't matter if the wireless device can hear the AP, it matters that the >> mobile device can talk to the AP with a respectable signal level. >> Remember, you don't want a bunch of low signal devices bringing overall >> capacity >> down. You don't want your APs to hear nearby APs. You want good TX AND RX >> signal on each device. My UniFi APs are actually set to not let devices >> maintain connection below a -74. I overlap APs accordingly, only only have 2 >> using 2.4GHz at all (set to lower power). Everything else is 5GHz. >> I can walk out to the street, walk way out to the street behind my barn, and >> I >> have coverage everywhere. My APs in the front of the property see the APs in >> the back with around an -84 to -88 depending. Also covers from basement to >> second floor. >> If I upgrade an AP, devices instantly roam to another nearby AP and don't >> drop >> their stream or sessions. >> On Feb 1, 2018 11:27 AM, "Adam Moffett" < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: >>> That's certainly true. >>> -- Original Message -- >>> From: "Dan Parrish" < tci...@outlook.com > >>> To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > >>> Sent: 2/1/2018 12:25:52 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range? >>>> More gain at the AP doesn't help hidden node problems between handsets. >>>> --dan >>>> On 2/1/2018 11:24 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: >>>>> I'd suggest more Tx Power at the AP doesn't help with the tiny >>>>> handset/laptop. >>>>> More gain ought to. >>>>> -- Original Message -- >>>>> From: "Dan Parrish" < tci...@outlook.com > >>>>> To: "af@afmug.com" < af@afmug.com > >>>>> Sent: 2/1/2018 12:21:03 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range? >>>>>> I agree that the square original Unifi AC PRO model wasn't the best >>>>>> "value," but >>>>>> I used several of them across the street just fine. Was about 200 feet >>>>>> through >>>>>> at least two exterior stucco walls, so seemed pretty good. >>>>>> More gain at the AP doesn't change the physics of the (assumed) handset >>>>>> having a >>>>>> tiny antenna with awful radiation patterns. For this reason, I don't >>>>>> believe in >>>>>> "long-range" access points nowadays. Where it makes sense, try to place >>>>>> two or >>>>>> more access points closer to your usage areas instead of one >>>>>> centrally-located >>>>>> one. The days of one access point in the middle of the warehouse are >>>>>> over, IMO. >>>>>> --dan >>>>>> On 2/1/2018 1:18 AM, TJ Trout wrote: >>>>>>> I'm talking about the first ever unifi AC ap, it was junk. >>>>>>> You had to have line of site to connect to the stupid thing (almost), >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> seriously like 15ft range @ 5ghz, maybe 25ft @ 2.4ghz >>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Josh Baird < joshba...@gmail.com > >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Yes - I can confirm that the new-ish Lites are 802.3af. >>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Eric Kuhnke < eric.kuh...@gmail.com > >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> I have a
Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?
>>It doesn't matter if the wireless device can hear the AP, it matters that the >>mobile device can talk to the AP with a respectable signal level. Amen Brother Josh ! Hallelujah ! That's the Truth ! :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Josh Reynolds" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 3:54:41 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range? > Again, last time, people need to stop looking for "the most powerful long > range > AP" :) > It doesn't matter if the wireless device can hear the AP, it matters that the > mobile device can talk to the AP with a respectable signal level. > Remember, you don't want a bunch of low signal devices bringing overall > capacity > down. You don't want your APs to hear nearby APs. You want good TX AND RX > signal on each device. My UniFi APs are actually set to not let devices > maintain connection below a -74. I overlap APs accordingly, only only have 2 > using 2.4GHz at all (set to lower power). Everything else is 5GHz. > I can walk out to the street, walk way out to the street behind my barn, and I > have coverage everywhere. My APs in the front of the property see the APs in > the back with around an -84 to -88 depending. Also covers from basement to > second floor. > If I upgrade an AP, devices instantly roam to another nearby AP and don't drop > their stream or sessions. > On Feb 1, 2018 11:27 AM, "Adam Moffett" < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: >> That's certainly true. >> -- Original Message -- >> From: "Dan Parrish" < tci...@outlook.com > >> To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > >> Sent: 2/1/2018 12:25:52 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range? >>> More gain at the AP doesn't help hidden node problems between handsets. >>> --dan >>> On 2/1/2018 11:24 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: >>>> I'd suggest more Tx Power at the AP doesn't help with the tiny >>>> handset/laptop. >>>> More gain ought to. >>>> -- Original Message -- >>>> From: "Dan Parrish" < tci...@outlook.com > >>>> To: "af@afmug.com" < af@afmug.com > >>>> Sent: 2/1/2018 12:21:03 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range? >>>>> I agree that the square original Unifi AC PRO model wasn't the best >>>>> "value," but >>>>> I used several of them across the street just fine. Was about 200 feet >>>>> through >>>>> at least two exterior stucco walls, so seemed pretty good. >>>>> More gain at the AP doesn't change the physics of the (assumed) handset >>>>> having a >>>>> tiny antenna with awful radiation patterns. For this reason, I don't >>>>> believe in >>>>> "long-range" access points nowadays. Where it makes sense, try to place >>>>> two or >>>>> more access points closer to your usage areas instead of one >>>>> centrally-located >>>>> one. The days of one access point in the middle of the warehouse are >>>>> over, IMO. >>>>> --dan >>>>> On 2/1/2018 1:18 AM, TJ Trout wrote: >>>>>> I'm talking about the first ever unifi AC ap, it was junk. >>>>>> You had to have line of site to connect to the stupid thing (almost), but >>>>>> seriously like 15ft range @ 5ghz, maybe 25ft @ 2.4ghz >>>>>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Josh Baird < joshba...@gmail.com > >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> Yes - I can confirm that the new-ish Lites are 802.3af. >>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Eric Kuhnke < eric.kuh...@gmail.com > >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> I have a bunch of the UAP-AC-LITE (802.11ac, 2x2, dual band) which are >>>>>>>> like $79. >>>>>>>> The ones I have are 24VDC gigabit only. Have heard that the newest >>>>>>>> shipping >>>>>>>> version of the same model does support 802.3af power now, which is >>>>>>>> convenient. >>>>>>>> Don't quite understand how TJ wasn't happy with them being a "flop". >>>>>>>> If you want a
Re: [AFMUG] USB over IP
BTW... just remembered.. you can also use some of the smaller Mikrotik's with USB Ports on them as USB/Serial Console access via IP or Wifi. http://myhomelab.blogspot.com/2014/06/remote-console-with-mikrotik.html Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - > From: "Nate Burke" > To: "Animal Farm" > Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 10:22:16 AM > Subject: [AFMUG] USB over IP > I have a generator control board that is interfaced via USB, it sits > about 50' away from the building. The generator has been acting up on > me, failing it's exercise cycle about every 4 attempts, and there is not > an LCD troubleshooting display to see what went wrong. Plugging in via > USB give you complete control and monitoring through software (windows > only), but it requires pulling the control board out to access the USB > port. I'd like to be able to get access to the control system remotely > by installing a permanent USB hookup, but without having to sit in the > snow and wind with a laptop. > > I have found some USB to IP adapters, that range in price from $50-$300, > but they mostly talk about using them as Printer sharing devices. Will > any USB device work with them? I'm guessing that some software is > required on the PC to get the USB to IP Bridge working, so the quality > of the device is probably dependent on that software. It looks like > these devices may be mainly used in VM environments to attach USB > Devices to VMs without going through the physical host.Has anyone > had experience with these devices? > > Nate
Re: [AFMUG] USB over IP
look for USB WIFI Console e.g. AirConsole You should keep in the back of your mind that USB is a form of a Serial port.. Lots of options and flavors available. Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - > From: "Nate Burke" > To: "Animal Farm" > Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 10:22:16 AM > Subject: [AFMUG] USB over IP > I have a generator control board that is interfaced via USB, it sits > about 50' away from the building. The generator has been acting up on > me, failing it's exercise cycle about every 4 attempts, and there is not > an LCD troubleshooting display to see what went wrong. Plugging in via > USB give you complete control and monitoring through software (windows > only), but it requires pulling the control board out to access the USB > port. I'd like to be able to get access to the control system remotely > by installing a permanent USB hookup, but without having to sit in the > snow and wind with a laptop. > > I have found some USB to IP adapters, that range in price from $50-$300, > but they mostly talk about using them as Printer sharing devices. Will > any USB device work with them? I'm guessing that some software is > required on the PC to get the USB to IP Bridge working, so the quality > of the device is probably dependent on that software. It looks like > these devices may be mainly used in VM environments to attach USB > Devices to VMs without going through the physical host.Has anyone > had experience with these devices? > > Nate
Re: [AFMUG] Failover / Recovery Time Testing?
neat did not know about the --aslookup options.. now have to find the version of mtr that supports this. :) Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - > From: "Josh Reynolds" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 10:00:19 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Failover / Recovery Time Testing? > mtr / mtr-tiny can do this, but you need to be root > > For example: > root@cloudkey-home:~# mtr --report --report-cycles=1000 --no-dns > --show-ips --aslookup --psize=1500 --interval=0.01 192.168.254.1 > Start: Mon Jan 29 20:59:02 2018 > HOST: cloudkey-home Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev > 1. AS??? 192.168.1.1 98.4% 10000.3 0.3 0.3 0.4 0.0 > 2. AS??? 192.168.254.1 0.0% 10000.7 0.7 0.7 4.2 0.1 > > https://linux.die.net/man/8/mtr > > You can use -u flag to generate udp instead of icmp echo > > On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 6:09 PM, Sterling Jacobson > wrote: >> I think also you could do something similar with floodping? >> >> >> >> I used to use that a lot on wireless connections to test consistency (with >> Mikrotik on each end) >> >> >> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Gray >> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 5:08 PM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Failover / Recovery Time Testing? >> >> >> >> Adam, >> >> >> >> This looks like it will work quite well! So far with some tests I've found >> 100% success, which is the foundation for some good test results. >> >> >> >> >> >> Example from a VM through a couple Juniper switches to a MikroTik: >> >> # ping 10.11.1.3 -i 0.001 -f -c 1 >> >> PING 10.11.1.3 (10.11.1.3) 56(84) bytes of data. >> >> >> >> --- 10.11.1.3 ping statistics --- >> >> 1 packets transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss, time 1ms >> >> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.111/0.122/2.160/0.037 ms, ipg/ewma 1.000/0.118 ms >> >> >> >> >> >> I'll calculate just like you described + the average ping time to account >> for ping replies lost at the beginning of the failure. >> >> I'm not looking to do this everywhere on everything (which would be a reason >> to re-consider where my time should be spent), I'm doing testing on the >> existing failover methods I've been using. If I find anything is really not >> as good as I thought (or much better), then I can use that to guide future >> design decisions. >> >> >> >> Thank you for your help, Chris >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 12:37 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: >> >> It also occurred to me just now that you might want to add -c 1 or >> similar to end the ping command after a certain point. >> >> When you kill it with ctrl+c you can have a false drop reported because you >> might have killed it in between a request and reply. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- Original Message -- >> >> From: "Adam Moffett" >> >> To: af@afmug.com >> >> Sent: 1/29/2018 12:25:18 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Failover / Recovery Time Testing? >> >> >> >> Maybe it's obvious, but this method ought to be fairly accurate IF the time >> from one ping to another is very consistent. I don't know the specific >> cause of the cases where the command is unable to satisfy the request for 1 >> ping per .001 second. Obviously if that cause leads to variance from one >> ping to another then the accuracy suffers. >> >> >> >> >> >> Even if you don't get 1 ping per ms, you might be able to estimate as: >> >> (pings transmitted / time = time per ping) >> >> and >> >> (failover time = time per ping * (pings transmitted - pings received)) >> >> >>
Re: [AFMUG] Failover / Recovery Time Testing?
If you are looking for a 'visual' tool, then look at pingplotter ... Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Christopher Gray" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 10:06:59 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Failover / Recovery Time Testing? > I want to use a tool that will time the "outage" automatically. > For example, switches with ERPS capability usually claim things like "sub 50ms > recovery". How can I time that recovery on my actual system? > I picture running some continuous data stream between two points, and > measuring > any gaps in received data... but automatically instead of weeding through the > stream in wireshark. > On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 9:46 AM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net > > wrote: >> Not sure what exactly are you asking about ? >> How to break stuff ? >> and or How to know when it is fixes ? >> On a serious note, it depends on what you are testing.. >> e.g. one can easily simulate OSPF failover by turning a link / ethernet / >> radio >> port off.. and watching a traceroute (MTR or Pathping, Pingplotter etc etc ) >> and or watching the Router Logs >> Regards. >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> http://www.snappytelecom.net >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >>> From: "Christopher Gray" < cg...@graytechsoftware.com > >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 9:17:26 AM >>> Subject: [AFMUG] Failover / Recovery Time Testing? >>> What tools do you suggest for testing failover time / recovery time? >>> I've got several different failover mechanisms in use, and I'd like to start >>> empirically testing them to have a better sense of their performance. >>> Thank you - Chris
Re: [AFMUG] Failover / Recovery Time Testing?
Not sure what exactly are you asking about ? How to break stuff ? and or How to know when it is fixes ? On a serious note, it depends on what you are testing.. e.g. one can easily simulate OSPF failover by turning a link / ethernet / radio port off.. and watching a traceroute (MTR or Pathping, Pingplotter etc etc ) and or watching the Router Logs Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Christopher Gray" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 9:17:26 AM > Subject: [AFMUG] Failover / Recovery Time Testing? > What tools do you suggest for testing failover time / recovery time? > I've got several different failover mechanisms in use, and I'd like to start > empirically testing them to have a better sense of their performance. > Thank you - Chris
Re: [AFMUG] First Heat Map captures
UAP-LR are the higher power, cirular puck's .(they are not the in-wall units) . best install position is on the roof, facing own.. circular coverage. (they can be installed on the wall.. but that would not be an optimum mounting position). again, this would not be my choice... UAP-LR are excellent for wide open spaces.. which a warehouse would be when empty.. but not when it is full.. I would actually go with the .. ( you can solve the problem with the UAP-LR and turn down the power .. ) My choice would be with the UAP-AC Lite, the smaller ones, with power turned down, the actual count of deployed units might be a bit higher... Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Jaime Solorza" > To: "Animal Farm" > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 9:19:18 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] First Heat Map captures > They are recommending UAP-LR in documentation but the icon is that in-wall > version in their drawing...I will verify with my contact tomorrow. The UAP > versions have worked out great for me in schools and offices. Thanks for heads > up. . > Jaime Solorza > On Jan 25, 2018 7:11 PM, "Jaime Solorza" < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > wrote: >> That's not not what they looked like in picture i saw on proposal...let me >> double check... thanks >> Jaime Solorza >> On Jan 25, 2018 7:07 PM, "Josh Reynolds" < j...@kyneticwifi.com > wrote: >>> Because In-WALLs go in outlet boxes. They're made for hotel rooms, covering >>> teeny tiny spaces. Because of this, they have very poor antenna >>> characteristics. Good for a small/short room, not good for a warehouse. >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 7:59 PM, Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > >>> wrote: >>>> Why not? I am just downloading PDF on AP now. I have deployed ceiling ones >>>> with >>>> great success...the ceilings here at 45 ft. high and bar code scanners >>>> will be >>>> at person arm levels 95% of time...they are reading labels on racks (see >>>> picture)...they have sheet rock walls on two offices on one side at both >>>> ends >>>> of warehouse, divider walls with sheetrock and wall behind shipping and >>>> receiving department ...all with existing cabling access and perfect for >>>> mounting APs at 10 ft. levels. My APs on tripod were at level of top of >>>> offices >>>> and I had great signals both ways in almost entire warehouse. Even with >>>> several >>>> rows and aisles full of boxes stack 20 ft high, signals had no trouble >>>> getting >>>> through. >>>> Jaime Solorza >>>> On Jan 25, 2018 6:46 PM, "Josh Reynolds" < j...@kyneticwifi.com > wrote: >>>>> Wall APs? I hope they're not trying to do this with the UniFi IN-WALL >>>>> On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 7:21 PM, Jaime Solorza >>>>> < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > wrote: >>>>> > I understand your point...I am told they will use UniFi Wall APsI am >>>>> > going to buy one and learn it inside out...my bid includes fine tuning >>>>> > what >>>>> > the installation team deploys. >>>>> > Jaime Solorza >>>>> > On Jan 25, 2018 6:08 PM, "Josh Reynolds" < j...@kyneticwifi.com > wrote: >>>>> >> "used three APs >>>>> >> Ruckus, Ubiquiti in 2.4 and 5Ghz set to 20dBm..." >>>>> >> I'm not worried about what the mobile device sees, I'm worried about >>>>> >> what the AP sees from the mobile device. >>>>> >> If it's set to 20dBm, you need to think about considering adjusting >>>>> >> for antenna antenna gain and how that's going to effect communication. >>>>> >> On top of that, the higher you go with power the harder it is to >>>>> >> control your cell size - especially in a highly reflective environment >>>>> >> like a warehouse. >>>>> >> You may be fine in that environment with a 20 given the number of >>>>> >> users and how good the wifi on the hand scanners is.. then again, you >>>>> >> might not. >>>>> >> Good luck! >>>>> >> On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 2:18 PM, Jaime Solorza >>>>> >> < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > wrote: >>>>> >> > Don't think so >>>>> >> > Jaime Solorza >>>>> >> > On Jan 24, 2018 12:37 PM, "Josh Reynolds" < j...@kyneticwifi.com > >>>>> >> > wrote: >>>>> >> >> Power waaay too high. >>>>> >> >> On Jan 24, 2018 1:31 PM, "Jaime Solorza" < >>>>> >> >> losguyswirel...@gmail.com > >>>>> >> >> wrote: >>>>> >> >>> Spent three hours...that's my son under tripod...used three APs >>>>> >> >>> Ruckus, Ubiquiti in 2.4 and 5Ghz set to 20dBm... >>>>> >> >>> Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] First Heat Map captures
I have to agree with Josh R. both in regards to attention needed to the actually antenna specs and pattern on the unit being deployed. as well as generating a heat map, based on AP to Client signal readings. explanation:- Most AP's are capable of TX more power and have better quality antenna's . Most CPE's, hand held devices do not TX high power and have poor quality antennas. As such it is common to see deployments where the CPE is reading an excellent signal level of the AP, but the link either does not work or works very poorly. This is because the AP is not able to hear to CPE on a decent signal level. I would suggest that for a good test, you actually check the RX signal on AP from the CPE and not the AP (TX) to CPE Signal. In terms of fine tuning and deployment style.. Enterprise folks have a tendency of installing a lot of AP's and turning up Power.. WISP's have a tendency of deploying less AP's, with Lower power and a higher gain antenna .. to solve the problems. In a warehouse, you will do well with any AP that has beam forming, as well as MIMO functionality due to a lot of reflections.. and actually one can take advantage of it. Depending on the antenna, you can do well with Roof mount (e.g. like a fan/ on light bulb, with antenna facing down wards.. or wall mount, sending energy in the forward direction.. Most unifi pucks are best mounted either facing down, or facing up, wall mounting can work, but you are also wasting the rf signal pointing to the roof. Mounting at 10ft height is always good, because most of the wifi radios are designed to spread the signal on the horizontal plane ) (Just as a poi, when deploying in Stadiums, high density, high usage, they found that installing low power ap's under the seating area worked better, because they were able to use the human bodies as a means to attenuate to signal and stop the ap's from causing each other interference. ) Best of luck on the project.. :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Jaime Solorza" > To: "Animal Farm" > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 9:11:44 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] First Heat Map captures > That's not not what they looked like in picture i saw on proposal...let me > double check... thanks > Jaime Solorza > On Jan 25, 2018 7:07 PM, "Josh Reynolds" < j...@kyneticwifi.com > wrote: >> Because In-WALLs go in outlet boxes. They're made for hotel rooms, covering >> teeny tiny spaces. Because of this, they have very poor antenna >> characteristics. Good for a small/short room, not good for a warehouse. >> >> On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 7:59 PM, Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > >> wrote: >>> Why not? I am just downloading PDF on AP now. I have deployed ceiling ones >>> with >>> great success...the ceilings here at 45 ft. high and bar code scanners will >>> be >>> at person arm levels 95% of time...they are reading labels on racks (see >>> picture)...they have sheet rock walls on two offices on one side at both >>> ends >>> of warehouse, divider walls with sheetrock and wall behind shipping and >>> receiving department ...all with existing cabling access and perfect for >>> mounting APs at 10 ft. levels. My APs on tripod were at level of top of >>> offices >>> and I had great signals both ways in almost entire warehouse. Even with >>> several >>> rows and aisles full of boxes stack 20 ft high, signals had no trouble >>> getting >>> through. >>> Jaime Solorza >>> On Jan 25, 2018 6:46 PM, "Josh Reynolds" < j...@kyneticwifi.com > wrote: >>>> Wall APs? I hope they're not trying to do this with the UniFi IN-WALL >>>> On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 7:21 PM, Jaime Solorza >>>> < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > wrote: >>>> > I understand your point...I am told they will use UniFi Wall APsI am >>>> > going to buy one and learn it inside out...my bid includes fine tuning >>>> > what >>>> > the installation team deploys. >>>> > Jaime Solorza >>>> > On Jan 25, 2018 6:08 PM, "Josh Reynolds" < j...@kyneticwifi.com > wrote: >>>> >> "used three APs >>>> >> Ruckus, Ubiquiti in 2.4 and 5Ghz set to 20dBm..." >>>> >> I'm not worried about what the mobile device sees, I'm worried about >>>> >> what the AP sees from the mobile device. >>>> >>
Re: [AFMUG] BGP Timers
It does not hurt to ask.. Depends on a few factors... So running bfd with IP transit providers is available upon request. In an IXP peering situation, I am not sure what is the pro's and con's .. maybe someone else can chime in . Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Adair Winter" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 11:22:42 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Timers > Is this typical in a public peering setup? I mean do providers want to run BFD > towards their customers? > On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 9:43 AM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net > > wrote: >> BTW... just FYI... >> If you are able to have a working bfd option available, that is always the >> best >> option, it is one of the fastest link drop change detection available, >> regardless of what the protocol timers are set for. >> Regards. >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> http://www.snappytelecom.net >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >>> From: "Adair Winter" < ada...@amarillowireless.net > >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 9:42:11 AM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Timers >>> Thanks for the info. >>> Being that our circuit has been stable, I'm not worried about flapping. If >>> it >>> does go nuts some day I would just take the peer down until we resolve >>> whatever >>> is going on. >>> But three minutes feels like a long time to wait for the peer to drop while >>> traffic is just slamming in to a dead route. >>> On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 7:05 AM, Dennis Burgess < dmburg...@linktechs.net > >>> wrote: >>>> Yep, we change it to 10 and 30. The only issue you can have is if you flap >>>> but I >>>> have not had that issue as of yet. >>>> Dennis Burgess >>>> www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – dmburg...@linktechs.net >>>> From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Adair Winter >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 1:03 AM >>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>> Subject: [AFMUG] BGP Timers >>>> Does anyone ever modify the default bgp keep-alive and hold timers in >>>> order to >>>> facilitate a faster fail over time when peer drops? >>>> Waiting the default three minutes seems like a very long time. >>>> -- >>>> Adair Winter >>>> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner >>>> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 >>>> C: 806.231.7180 >>>> http://www.amarillowireless.net >>> -- >>> Adair Winter >>> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner >>> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 >>> C: 806.231.7180 >>> http://www.amarillowireless.net > -- > Adair Winter > VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner > Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 > C: 806.231.7180 > http://www.amarillowireless.net
Re: [AFMUG] BGP Timers
BTW... just FYI... If you are able to have a working bfd option available, that is always the best option, it is one of the fastest link drop change detection available, regardless of what the protocol timers are set for. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Adair Winter" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 9:42:11 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Timers > Thanks for the info. > Being that our circuit has been stable, I'm not worried about flapping. If it > does go nuts some day I would just take the peer down until we resolve > whatever > is going on. > But three minutes feels like a long time to wait for the peer to drop while > traffic is just slamming in to a dead route. > On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 7:05 AM, Dennis Burgess < dmburg...@linktechs.net > > wrote: >> Yep, we change it to 10 and 30. The only issue you can have is if you flap >> but I >> have not had that issue as of yet. >> Dennis Burgess >> www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – dmburg...@linktechs.net >> From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Adair Winter >> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 1:03 AM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: [AFMUG] BGP Timers >> Does anyone ever modify the default bgp keep-alive and hold timers in order >> to >> facilitate a faster fail over time when peer drops? >> Waiting the default three minutes seems like a very long time. >> -- >> Adair Winter >> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner >> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 >> C: 806.231.7180 >> http://www.amarillowireless.net > -- > Adair Winter > VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner > Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 > C: 806.231.7180 > http://www.amarillowireless.net
Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30
.." we have seen improvements in reflectors that can’t be explained by anything else in both high and noise environments. " The explanation is very simple... just look at the physical position of how the radio is mounted.. The back side of the radio is pointing to the ground, and the reflector is only focusing the energy downwards.. Thus very little is picked up from the back side of the radio and the back side of the reflector.. Additionally there are pretty much no side lobes.. It's physics and geometry :) Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Rory Conaway" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 1:00:49 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30 > Thanks. I’ll have to do more testing at specific frequencies to be more > accurate > but so far we have seen improvements in reflectors that can’t be explained by > anything else in both high and noise environments. > Rory > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 9:14 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30 > Depends on the design. > If the gains are the same, then go to F/B ratio to decide. > If approx equivalent then check the look of side lobes. > Nothing magic about parabolas. They are just highly characterized and easy to > do. > A good patch array can be just as good for some applications. > From: Rory Conaway > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 10:45 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30 > So Chuck, what’s your opinion? Parabolic or reflector that the manufacturers > spec out at approximately the same gain? > Rory > From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 8:16 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30 > Gain of a parabolic reflector: > =10*LOG((0.55*((3.1415*Dia/Lamda)*(3.1415*Dia/Lamda))),10) > .55 is the efficiency factor. Most of them range between .55 and .60 > Diameter is in inches. Lamda is in inches. > From: Rory Conaway > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 7:08 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30 > If you are talking about the 2’ dishes, their gain in 5GHz is the same as the > KP > reflector. We may test that but honestly, between the price difference which > is > more than $100, the weight, and the complexity, it would have to be > significantly better and I doubt it is. > Rory > From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 6:58 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30 > They still work down there, just lose a couple dB. Their better rejection > makes > up for it. > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > Midwest Internet Exchange > The Brothers WISP > From: "Rory Conaway" < r...@triadwireless.net > > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 7:57:40 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30 > Most Jirous antennas aren’t good for under 5.4GHz though. We started using > them > after being told more than 2 years ago they would have updated nose cones > shortly. I’m still waiting. > Rory > From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 6:30 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30 > Jirous makes antennas with good patterns. > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > Midwest Internet Exchange > The Brothers WISP > From: "David Coudron" < david.coud...@advantenon.com > > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 9:04:56 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30 > We love the KP Performance antennas for the CPEs, but haven’t used them yet > for > backhaul. Have you been using them for that as well? We were worried the wider > beamwidth would catch too much other noise. Or maybe that hasn’t been an > issue? > Thanks, > David Coudron > From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 8:56 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30 > Right now the best antenna we have tested at 30dBi has been the KP Performance > antennas. We will be testing the RF Elements antennas next.
Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30
Sure, why not... We have used Ubnt 2ft dishes for longer distance than that. Now if you are looking for a particular signal level, then you have to do the calcs :) Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Tim Reichhart" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 10:24:39 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30 > I want to know if the arc wireless 30dBi dish will work for 12mile ptp link > with > ubnt radios. Because I have one arc wireless 30dbi dish setting at my house > not > deployed yet. > Tim >> -Original Message- >> From: "Rory Conaway" < r...@triadwireless.net > >> To: af@afmug.com >> Date: 01/22/18 09:08 >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30 >> If you are talking about the 2' dishes, their gain in 5GHz is the same as >> the KP >> reflector. We may test that but honestly, between the price difference which >> is >> more than $100, the weight, and the complexity, it would have to be >> significantly better and I doubt it is. >> Rory >> From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett >> Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 6:58 AM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30 >> They still work down there, just lose a couple dB. Their better rejection >> makes >> up for it. >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> Midwest Internet Exchange >> The Brothers WISP >> From: "Rory Conaway" < r...@triadwireless.net > >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 7:57:40 AM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30 >> Most Jirous antennas aren't good for under 5.4GHz though. We started using >> them >> after being told more than 2 years ago they would have updated nose cones >> shortly. I'm still waiting. >> Rory >> From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett >> Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 6:30 AM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30 >> Jirous makes antennas with good patterns. >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> Midwest Internet Exchange >> The Brothers WISP >> From: "David Coudron" < david.coud...@advantenon.com > >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 9:04:56 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30 >> We love the KP Performance antennas for the CPEs, but haven't used them yet >> for >> backhaul. Have you been using them for that as well? We were worried the >> wider >> beamwidth would catch too much other noise. Or maybe that hasn't been an >> issue? >> Thanks, >> David Coudron >> From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway >> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 8:56 PM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30 >> Right now the best antenna we have tested at 30dBi has been the KP >> Performance >> antennas. We will be testing the RF Elements antennas next. >> Rory >> From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of David Coudron >> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 6:49 PM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30 >> We have traditionally been using the Arc Wireless 30 dBi 5 GHz parabolic dish >> for our shorter backhaul links when using 5 GHz. The have been OK, but we >> have >> a tough time getting them and the radomes from time to time. We are in that >> situation again. They are priced quite competitively, and seem to do the job, >> however we are looking for options since they are so spotty to get ahold of. >> We >> have messed around with the Ubiquiti RocketDish for CPE connectorized radios, >> but haven't tried them out for backhaul as of yet. The specs appear to be >> very >> similar and I expect they'd perform about the same other than the N-Type vs >> SMA >> connectors. Anyone have experience with both of these dishes? Or is there a >> better alternative that we should be looking at in the $120 range (dish >> only)? >> Regard, >> David Coudron
Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30
"spreadsheet" should have been "data sheet" .. It's getting late.. I need to go to bed ! :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Faisal Imtiaz" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 12:16:23 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30 > Specs wise both the Arc Wireless and Ubnt RD-5G30 do look very similar, > Arc's spreadsheets claims that their pattern is cleaner no side lobes on the > H-Plane. > If you were to look for another Dish antenna with a good value (specs and > price > wise) > Look at the Jirous JRC-29 Extreme .. a wee bit less on the gain, but > considering > it comes with a Radome and shroud.. it is also known to be an excellent > performer. > Regards > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > http://www.snappytelecom.net > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >> From: "David Coudron" >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 10:04:56 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30 >> We love the KP Performance antennas for the CPEs, but haven’t used them yet >> for >> backhaul. Have you been using them for that as well? We were worried the >> wider >> beamwidth would catch too much other noise. Or maybe that hasn’t been an >> issue? >> Thanks, >> David Coudron >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway >> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 8:56 PM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30 >> Right now the best antenna we have tested at 30dBi has been the KP >> Performance >> antennas. We will be testing the RF Elements antennas next. >> Rory >> From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of David Coudron >> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 6:49 PM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30 >> We have traditionally been using the Arc Wireless 30 dBi 5 GHz parabolic dish >> for our shorter backhaul links when using 5 GHz. The have been OK, but we >> have >> a tough time getting them and the radomes from time to time. We are in that >> situation again. They are priced quite competitively, and seem to do the job, >> however we are looking for options since they are so spotty to get ahold of. >> We >> have messed around with the Ubiquiti RocketDish for CPE connectorized radios, >> but haven’t tried them out for backhaul as of yet. The specs appear to be >> very >> similar and I expect they’d perform about the same other than the N-Type vs >> SMA >> connectors. Anyone have experience with both of these dishes? Or is there a >> better alternative that we should be looking at in the $120 range (dish >> only)? >> Regard, >> David Coudron
Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30
LOL ! please re-read what I wrote ... I re-affirmed your observation that the KP Performance Reflectors are very good at noise rejection. I also offered an explanation as to why that is so. I also said, you can test as much as you like, you are not going to change the fact that physics explain why the Reflector is very good at noise rejection. :) Nighty Night ! Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Rory Conaway" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 12:10:17 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30 > Seriously. Please explain where my conclusion violated physics? > Rory > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 10:02 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30 > You can test as much as you like.. > simple physics will still stay the same :) > Regards. > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > http://www.snappytelecom.net > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >> From: "Rory Conaway" < r...@triadwireless.net > >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 11:57:57 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30 >> We have done a lot more testing than that and I’m probably late to the party >> but >> yes, they have turned out to be the best so far. >> Rory >> From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz >> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 9:55 PM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30 >> If you are referring to the KP Performance Reflectors... >> YES, Absolutely the best in noise rejection >> and if you are wondering why ? just look at the direction the radio's back >> side >> tends to be when it is properly installed ! >> :) >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> http://www.snappytelecom.net >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >>> From: "Rory Conaway" < r...@triadwireless.net > >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 10:26:52 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30 >>> It hasn’t been an issue. They seem to reject noise better. I just posted a >>> recent comparison of them versus the PowerBeam 620/Prism on Facebook. We >>> already knew they were better than the AF-23 antenna since we did that test >>> but >>> that wasn’t a fair comparison due to the gain difference. >>> Rory >>> From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of David Coudron >>> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 8:05 PM >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30 >>> We love the KP Performance antennas for the CPEs, but haven’t used them yet >>> for >>> backhaul. Have you been using them for that as well? We were worried the >>> wider >>> beamwidth would catch too much other noise. Or maybe that hasn’t been an >>> issue? >>> Thanks, >>> David Coudron >>> From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway >>> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 8:56 PM >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30 >>> Right now the best antenna we have tested at 30dBi has been the KP >>> Performance >>> antennas. We will be testing the RF Elements antennas next. >>> Rory >>> From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of David Coudron >>> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 6:49 PM >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Subject: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30 >>> We have traditionally been using the Arc Wireless 30 dBi 5 GHz parabolic >>> dish >>> for our shorter backhaul links when using 5 GHz. The have been OK, but we >>> have >>> a tough time getting them and the radomes from time to time. We are in that >>> situation again. They are priced quite competitively, and seem to do the >>> job, >>> however we are looking for options since they are so spotty to get ahold >>> of. We >>> have messed around with the Ubiquiti RocketDish for CPE connectorized >>> radios, >>> but haven’t tried them out for backhaul as of yet. The specs appear to be >>> very >>> similar and I expect they’d perform about the same other than the N-Type vs >>> SMA >>> connectors. Anyone have experience with both of these dishes? Or is there a >>> better alternative that we should be looking at in the $120 range (dish >>> only)? >>> Regard, >>> David Coudron
Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30
Specs wise both the Arc Wireless and Ubnt RD-5G30 do look very similar, Arc's spreadsheets claims that their pattern is cleaner no side lobes on the H-Plane. If you were to look for another Dish antenna with a good value (specs and price wise) Look at the Jirous JRC-29 Extreme .. a wee bit less on the gain, but considering it comes with a Radome and shroud.. it is also known to be an excellent performer. Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "David Coudron" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 10:04:56 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30 > We love the KP Performance antennas for the CPEs, but haven’t used them yet > for > backhaul. Have you been using them for that as well? We were worried the wider > beamwidth would catch too much other noise. Or maybe that hasn’t been an > issue? > Thanks, > David Coudron > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 8:56 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30 > Right now the best antenna we have tested at 30dBi has been the KP Performance > antennas. We will be testing the RF Elements antennas next. > Rory > From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of David Coudron > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 6:49 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30 > We have traditionally been using the Arc Wireless 30 dBi 5 GHz parabolic dish > for our shorter backhaul links when using 5 GHz. The have been OK, but we have > a tough time getting them and the radomes from time to time. We are in that > situation again. They are priced quite competitively, and seem to do the job, > however we are looking for options since they are so spotty to get ahold of. > We > have messed around with the Ubiquiti RocketDish for CPE connectorized radios, > but haven’t tried them out for backhaul as of yet. The specs appear to be very > similar and I expect they’d perform about the same other than the N-Type vs > SMA > connectors. Anyone have experience with both of these dishes? Or is there a > better alternative that we should be looking at in the $120 range (dish only)? > Regard, > David Coudron
Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30
You can test as much as you like.. simple physics will still stay the same :) Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Rory Conaway" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 11:57:57 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30 > We have done a lot more testing than that and I’m probably late to the party > but > yes, they have turned out to be the best so far. > Rory > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 9:55 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30 > If you are referring to the KP Performance Reflectors... > YES, Absolutely the best in noise rejection > and if you are wondering why ? just look at the direction the radio's back > side > tends to be when it is properly installed ! > :) > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > http://www.snappytelecom.net > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >> From: "Rory Conaway" < r...@triadwireless.net > >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 10:26:52 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30 >> It hasn’t been an issue. They seem to reject noise better. I just posted a >> recent comparison of them versus the PowerBeam 620/Prism on Facebook. We >> already knew they were better than the AF-23 antenna since we did that test >> but >> that wasn’t a fair comparison due to the gain difference. >> Rory >> From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of David Coudron >> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 8:05 PM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30 >> We love the KP Performance antennas for the CPEs, but haven’t used them yet >> for >> backhaul. Have you been using them for that as well? We were worried the >> wider >> beamwidth would catch too much other noise. Or maybe that hasn’t been an >> issue? >> Thanks, >> David Coudron >> From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway >> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 8:56 PM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30 >> Right now the best antenna we have tested at 30dBi has been the KP >> Performance >> antennas. We will be testing the RF Elements antennas next. >> Rory >> From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of David Coudron >> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 6:49 PM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30 >> We have traditionally been using the Arc Wireless 30 dBi 5 GHz parabolic dish >> for our shorter backhaul links when using 5 GHz. The have been OK, but we >> have >> a tough time getting them and the radomes from time to time. We are in that >> situation again. They are priced quite competitively, and seem to do the job, >> however we are looking for options since they are so spotty to get ahold of. >> We >> have messed around with the Ubiquiti RocketDish for CPE connectorized radios, >> but haven’t tried them out for backhaul as of yet. The specs appear to be >> very >> similar and I expect they’d perform about the same other than the N-Type vs >> SMA >> connectors. Anyone have experience with both of these dishes? Or is there a >> better alternative that we should be looking at in the $120 range (dish >> only)? >> Regard, >> David Coudron
Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24
Meatball Engineering, or Bush Mechanics are perfectly fine, until they start being contrary to actual physics. Unless you are re-defining and challenging physics .. which would be a whole different conversation :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Rory Conaway" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 11:52:36 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24 > I eliminate as many variables as possible and considering how much different > equipment I have to deal with and the time I have to deal with it, I think our > methodology of Meatball engineering has been pretty solid. > Rory > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 9:50 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24 > >> I’ll stand by the conclusion based on our experience. > I am not countering your conclusion based on your experience. > I am suggesting that you look a bit more under the surface to determine the > coarse parameters which are the actual cause for your experience and > observation. > (and not just the mere freq /band ) > Regards > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > http://www.snappytelecom.net > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >> From: "Rory Conaway" < r...@triadwireless.net > >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 11:40:11 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24 >> Yea, next time I do a White Paper, I’ll let you know. The reality is that >> few of >> us have the time to do a full engineering analysis so we extrapolate from the >> information we have. I’ll stand by the conclusion based on our experience. >> Rory >> From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz >> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 9:27 PM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24 >> if you want to understand the science behind it .. here is an excellent paper >> discussing all aspects ... >> https://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/bulletins/oet70/oet70a.pdf >> The reason I called your observation anecdotal because a lot of key important >> information is missing from your statement, and there is a lot of 'assumed' / >> presumed information left to the readers imagination. >> Let me try to explain it further .. You are comparing to radios of different >> bands, with different TX powers, Different RX Gain Antennas, on two links, >> without any confirmation of your signal levels, rain fade loss, alignment, >> actual modulation drop etc etc etc .. and you are making a statement that >> higher freq is more stable at a shorter link than a lower freq on a longer >> link >> (which by itself as a general statement would be true, however you are >> expounding it by stretching both freq links to be of a size that will be >> affected by Rain Fade, regardless). >> Now if you were to actually look and understand the science behind it all, >> you >> will quickly find that your observation is in direct conflict of actual >> science, for the two links your are actually comparing.. Thus leading to a >> logical conclusion that in your observation, there is some other factor (such >> as the ones I mentioned above) must be creating the observed behavior. (and >> we >> are not even going to into the discussion of 'rain drop size, density, and >> even >> spread across any particular region). >> Thus , I refer to your observation as being anecdotal ! :) >> :) >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> http://www.snappytelecom.net >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >>> From: "Rory Conaway" < r...@triadwireless.net > >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 6:51:34 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24 >>> What are you talking about, anecdotal? I’ll provide more complete >>> information >>> for you then. >>> I’ve got 5 AF24 links in the same area with varying distances from 800’ >>> (although that one was replaced with a B5-Lite last year) to 2.47 miles. The >>> only one that goes down is the 2.47 mile link and even then it’s about >>> twice a >>> year
Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30
If you are referring to the KP Performance Reflectors... YES, Absolutely the best in noise rejection and if you are wondering why ? just look at the direction the radio's back side tends to be when it is properly installed ! :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Rory Conaway" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 10:26:52 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30 > It hasn’t been an issue. They seem to reject noise better. I just posted a > recent comparison of them versus the PowerBeam 620/Prism on Facebook. We > already knew they were better than the AF-23 antenna since we did that test > but > that wasn’t a fair comparison due to the gain difference. > Rory > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David Coudron > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 8:05 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30 > We love the KP Performance antennas for the CPEs, but haven’t used them yet > for > backhaul. Have you been using them for that as well? We were worried the wider > beamwidth would catch too much other noise. Or maybe that hasn’t been an > issue? > Thanks, > David Coudron > From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 8:56 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30 > Right now the best antenna we have tested at 30dBi has been the KP Performance > antennas. We will be testing the RF Elements antennas next. > Rory > From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of David Coudron > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 6:49 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30 > We have traditionally been using the Arc Wireless 30 dBi 5 GHz parabolic dish > for our shorter backhaul links when using 5 GHz. The have been OK, but we have > a tough time getting them and the radomes from time to time. We are in that > situation again. They are priced quite competitively, and seem to do the job, > however we are looking for options since they are so spotty to get ahold of. > We > have messed around with the Ubiquiti RocketDish for CPE connectorized radios, > but haven’t tried them out for backhaul as of yet. The specs appear to be very > similar and I expect they’d perform about the same other than the N-Type vs > SMA > connectors. Anyone have experience with both of these dishes? Or is there a > better alternative that we should be looking at in the $120 range (dish only)? > Regard, > David Coudron
Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24
>> I’ll stand by the conclusion based on our experience. I am not countering your conclusion based on your experience. I am suggesting that you look a bit more under the surface to determine the coarse parameters which are the actual cause for your experience and observation. (and not just the mere freq /band ) Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Rory Conaway" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 11:40:11 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24 > Yea, next time I do a White Paper, I’ll let you know. The reality is that few > of > us have the time to do a full engineering analysis so we extrapolate from the > information we have. I’ll stand by the conclusion based on our experience. > Rory > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 9:27 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24 > if you want to understand the science behind it .. here is an excellent paper > discussing all aspects ... > https://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/bulletins/oet70/oet70a.pdf > The reason I called your observation anecdotal because a lot of key important > information is missing from your statement, and there is a lot of 'assumed' / > presumed information left to the readers imagination. > Let me try to explain it further .. You are comparing to radios of different > bands, with different TX powers, Different RX Gain Antennas, on two links, > without any confirmation of your signal levels, rain fade loss, alignment, > actual modulation drop etc etc etc .. and you are making a statement that > higher freq is more stable at a shorter link than a lower freq on a longer > link > (which by itself as a general statement would be true, however you are > expounding it by stretching both freq links to be of a size that will be > affected by Rain Fade, regardless). > Now if you were to actually look and understand the science behind it all, you > will quickly find that your observation is in direct conflict of actual > science, for the two links your are actually comparing.. Thus leading to a > logical conclusion that in your observation, there is some other factor (such > as the ones I mentioned above) must be creating the observed behavior. (and we > are not even going to into the discussion of 'rain drop size, density, and > even > spread across any particular region). > Thus , I refer to your observation as being anecdotal ! :) > :) > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > http://www.snappytelecom.net > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >> From: "Rory Conaway" < r...@triadwireless.net > >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 6:51:34 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24 >> What are you talking about, anecdotal? I’ll provide more complete information >> for you then. >> I’ve got 5 AF24 links in the same area with varying distances from 800’ >> (although that one was replaced with a B5-Lite last year) to 2.47 miles. The >> only one that goes down is the 2.47 mile link and even then it’s about twice >> a >> year for about 20 minutes during monsoon season. I think I have some pretty >> objective data since they are all within 3 miles. I don’t have a 2.5 mile >> 80GHz >> link in that area so no effort was made to compare. The 2 mile link on this >> particular 5-hop system has not gone down. This has been up for 2 years so we >> have 2 summers of monsoon data. >> Rory >> From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz >> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 1:46 PM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24 >>>> I’ve got an AF24 that will drop at 2.5 miles for about an hour a year. >>>> I’ve got >> >> a 39GHz link at 2 miles that seems pretty solid also >> This is exactly the type of anecdotal observations that I made reference to >> earlier :) >> Regards. >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> http://www.snappytelecom.net >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >>> From: "Rory Conaway" < r...@triadwireless.net > >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 2:02:53 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG
Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24
if you want to understand the science behind it .. here is an excellent paper discussing all aspects ... https://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/bulletins/oet70/oet70a.pdf The reason I called your observation anecdotal because a lot of key important information is missing from your statement, and there is a lot of 'assumed' / presumed information left to the readers imagination. Let me try to explain it further .. You are comparing to radios of different bands, with different TX powers, Different RX Gain Antennas, on two links, without any confirmation of your signal levels, rain fade loss, alignment, actual modulation drop etc etc etc .. and you are making a statement that higher freq is more stable at a shorter link than a lower freq on a longer link (which by itself as a general statement would be true, however you are expounding it by stretching both freq links to be of a size that will be affected by Rain Fade, regardless). Now if you were to actually look and understand the science behind it all, you will quickly find that your observation is in direct conflict of actual science, for the two links your are actually comparing.. Thus leading to a logical conclusion that in your observation, there is some other factor (such as the ones I mentioned above) must be creating the observed behavior. (and we are not even going to into the discussion of 'rain drop size, density, and even spread across any particular region). Thus , I refer to your observation as being anecdotal ! :) :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Rory Conaway" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 6:51:34 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24 > What are you talking about, anecdotal? I’ll provide more complete information > for you then. > I’ve got 5 AF24 links in the same area with varying distances from 800’ > (although that one was replaced with a B5-Lite last year) to 2.47 miles. The > only one that goes down is the 2.47 mile link and even then it’s about twice a > year for about 20 minutes during monsoon season. I think I have some pretty > objective data since they are all within 3 miles. I don’t have a 2.5 mile > 80GHz > link in that area so no effort was made to compare. The 2 mile link on this > particular 5-hop system has not gone down. This has been up for 2 years so we > have 2 summers of monsoon data. > Rory > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 1:46 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24 >>> I’ve got an AF24 that will drop at 2.5 miles for about an hour a year. I’ve >>> got > >> a 39GHz link at 2 miles that seems pretty solid also > This is exactly the type of anecdotal observations that I made reference to > earlier :) > Regards. > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > http://www.snappytelecom.net > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >> From: "Rory Conaway" < r...@triadwireless.net > >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 2:02:53 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24 >> I’m in Southern Arizona so heavy rain is pretty brief but also why I’m asking >> the question. I’ve got an AF24 that will drop at 2.5 miles for about an hour >> a >> year. I’ve got a 39GHz link at 2 miles that seems pretty solid also but I’m >> open to using that at 3.5 if that has a better chance too. >> Rory >> From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett >> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 11:07 AM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24 >> Trango's initial 24 GHz radio could do that. >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> Midwest Internet Exchange >> The Brothers WISP >> From: "Mathew Howard" < mhoward...@gmail.com > >> To: "af" < af@afmug.com > >> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 12:04:15 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24 >> This is the first I've heard of adaptive channel sizes... I've been looking >> at >> both Siklu and Bridgewater, and nobody from either company ever mentioned >> that >> (that doesn't necessarily mean they can't do it though). >> On Jan 20, 2018 11:58 AM, "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: >> Adaptive
Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24
>> I’ve got an AF24 that will drop at 2.5 miles for about an hour a year. I’ve >> got a 39GHz link at 2 miles that seems pretty solid also This is exactly the type of anecdotal observations that I made reference to earlier :) Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Rory Conaway" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 2:02:53 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24 > I’m in Southern Arizona so heavy rain is pretty brief but also why I’m asking > the question. I’ve got an AF24 that will drop at 2.5 miles for about an hour a > year. I’ve got a 39GHz link at 2 miles that seems pretty solid also but I’m > open to using that at 3.5 if that has a better chance too. > Rory > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 11:07 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24 > Trango's initial 24 GHz radio could do that. > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > Midwest Internet Exchange > The Brothers WISP > From: "Mathew Howard" < mhoward...@gmail.com > > To: "af" < af@afmug.com > > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 12:04:15 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24 > This is the first I've heard of adaptive channel sizes... I've been looking at > both Siklu and Bridgewater, and nobody from either company ever mentioned that > (that doesn't necessarily mean they can't do it though). > On Jan 20, 2018 11:58 AM, "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: > Adaptive channel sizes? > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > Midwest Internet Exchange > The Brothers WISP > From: "Eric Kuhnke" < eric.kuh...@gmail.com > > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 11:48:24 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24 > This is not extremely new in 80 GHz, just with different and denser > modulations. > The Siklu 80 GHz stuff has done adaptive coding and modulation for a while. > The > (now 7 year old!) Bridgewave adaptrate 80 GHz stuff would maintain a 100 Mbps > link during a rain fade, by switching a nominally QPSK-modulated 1500 MHz wide > channel for 1 Gbps, temporarily down to BPSK during a rain fade event. > On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 9:45 AM, Stefan Englhardt < s...@genias.net > wrote: >> Some vendors do some new things to stretch the range of 80GHz: >> http://de.nec.com/de_DE/global/prod/nw/pasolink/products/ipasolinkEX_advanced.html >> ? >> They modulate down and then reduce channel size. >> This gear is in the 20kEuro Range … >> Von: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] Im Auftrag von Faisal Imtiaz >> Gesendet: Samstag, 20. Januar 2018 17:08 >> An: af@afmug.com >> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24 >> We have two things to contend with... >> one is Oxygen Absorption >> second is Rain Fade >> Science says, 24ghz has much less O2 absorption fade vs 80ghz >> Science also says that 24ghz has slightly less Rain fade vs 80ghz >> Science also says that if on a particular link, if one is comparing 24ghz vs >> 80ghz, the difference in which link drops first will be based on the TX >> power / >> Antenna Gain and Rx sensitivity. >> If all things were exactly the same, then 80ghz would drop before 24ghz in >> Rain >> event. >> But in reality, all things are not the same.. I believe 80ghz one is allowed >> more power, and higher antenna gain. >> https://www.e-band.com/index.php?id=86 >> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/dont-fall-siklu-overbuilds-distance-claims-david-theodore >> at 3.5miles, one is pushing the limits of both 24gzh as well as 80ghz.. >> Depending on what you are trying to achieve, and the rainzone, you can make >> your choice based on what will perform better normally... cause both of them >> will go out in rain :) >> Best of Luck >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> http://www.snappytelecom.net >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >>> From: "Mathew Howard" < mhoward...@gmail.com > >>> To: "af" < af@afmug.com > >>> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 8:42:31 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24 >>> I'd guess 24ghz would be slightly bett
Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24
> This is the first I've heard of adaptive channel sizes.. Not trying to throw a curve ball... but it is one of the 'quiet, open disclosed secret of the Mimosa A5/PTMP system :) Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Mathew Howard" > To: "af" > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 1:04:15 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24 > This is the first I've heard of adaptive channel sizes... I've been looking at > both Siklu and Bridgewater, and nobody from either company ever mentioned that > (that doesn't necessarily mean they can't do it though). > On Jan 20, 2018 11:58 AM, "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: >> Adaptive channel sizes? >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> Midwest Internet Exchange >> The Brothers WISP >> From: "Eric Kuhnke" < eric.kuh...@gmail.com > >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 11:48:24 AM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24 >> This is not extremely new in 80 GHz, just with different and denser >> modulations. >> The Siklu 80 GHz stuff has done adaptive coding and modulation for a while. >> The >> (now 7 year old!) Bridgewave adaptrate 80 GHz stuff would maintain a 100 Mbps >> link during a rain fade, by switching a nominally QPSK-modulated 1500 MHz >> wide >> channel for 1 Gbps, temporarily down to BPSK during a rain fade event. >> On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 9:45 AM, Stefan Englhardt < s...@genias.net > wrote: >>> Some vendors do some new things to stretch the range of 80GHz: >>> http://de.nec.com/de_DE/global/prod/nw/pasolink/products/ipasolinkEX_advanced.html >>> ? >>> They modulate down and then reduce channel size. >>> This gear is in the 20kEuro Range … >>> Von: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] Im Auftrag von Faisal Imtiaz >>> Gesendet: Samstag, 20. Januar 2018 17:08 >>> An: af@afmug.com >>> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24 >>> We have two things to contend with... >>> one is Oxygen Absorption >>> second is Rain Fade >>> Science says, 24ghz has much less O2 absorption fade vs 80ghz >>> Science also says that 24ghz has slightly less Rain fade vs 80ghz >>> Science also says that if on a particular link, if one is comparing 24ghz vs >>> 80ghz, the difference in which link drops first will be based on the TX >>> power / >>> Antenna Gain and Rx sensitivity. >>> If all things were exactly the same, then 80ghz would drop before 24ghz in >>> Rain >>> event. >>> But in reality, all things are not the same.. I believe 80ghz one is allowed >>> more power, and higher antenna gain. >>> https://www.e-band.com/index.php?id=86 >>> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/dont-fall-siklu-overbuilds-distance-claims-david-theodore >>> at 3.5miles, one is pushing the limits of both 24gzh as well as 80ghz.. >>> Depending on what you are trying to achieve, and the rainzone, you can make >>> your choice based on what will perform better normally... cause both of them >>> will go out in rain :) >>> Best of Luck >>> Faisal Imtiaz >>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>> http://www.snappytelecom.net >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >>>> From: "Mathew Howard" < mhoward...@gmail.com > >>>> To: "af" < af@afmug.com > >>>> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 8:42:31 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24 >>>> I'd guess 24ghz would be slightly better, but either one is going to drop >>>> at >>>> that distance if you ever get heavy rain. >>>> Somebody from Siklu told me at one time, that some of their customers have >>>> told >>>> then that their rainfade is slightly better than an AF24, but slightly >>>> worse >>>> than an AF24HD... how accurate that is, I don't know. >>>> On Jan 19, 2018 6:03 PM, "Rory Conaway" < r...@triadwireless.net > wrote: >>>>> I haven’t run the numbers so please save me some time. Which one has less >>>>> fade >>>>> margin at 3.5 miles? I was going to use Siklu with a 2’ antenna. >>>>> Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO >>>>> 4226 S. 37 th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040 >>>>> 602-426-0542 >>>>> r...@triadwireless.net >>>>> www.triadwireless.net >>>>> “"Engineers believe that if it ain't broke, it doesn't have enough >>>>> features >>>>> yet." — Scott Adams
Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24
I believe that is taken into account with 'rain fade' which is a very loose board variance.. thus the arguments / conversations which tend to be more anecdotal than anything else. :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: ch...@wbmfg.com > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 11:33:35 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24 > How about droplet size and shape vs wavelength and polarization? > From: Faisal Imtiaz > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 9:07 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24 > We have two things to contend with... > one is Oxygen Absorption > second is Rain Fade > Science says, 24ghz has much less O2 absorption fade vs 80ghz > Science also says that 24ghz has slightly less Rain fade vs 80ghz > Science also says that if on a particular link, if one is comparing 24ghz vs > 80ghz, the difference in which link drops first will be based on the TX power > / > Antenna Gain and Rx sensitivity. > If all things were exactly the same, then 80ghz would drop before 24ghz in > Rain > event. > But in reality, all things are not the same.. I believe 80ghz one is allowed > more power, and higher antenna gain. > https://www.e-band.com/index.php?id=86 > https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/dont-fall-siklu-overbuilds-distance-claims-david-theodore > at 3.5miles, one is pushing the limits of both 24gzh as well as 80ghz.. > Depending on what you are trying to achieve, and the rainzone, you can make > your choice based on what will perform better normally... cause both of them > will go out in rain :) > Best of Luck > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > http://www.snappytelecom.net > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >> From: "Mathew Howard" >> To: "af" >> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 8:42:31 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24 >> I'd guess 24ghz would be slightly better, but either one is going to drop at >> that distance if you ever get heavy rain. >> Somebody from Siklu told me at one time, that some of their customers have >> told >> then that their rainfade is slightly better than an AF24, but slightly worse >> than an AF24HD... how accurate that is, I don't know. >> On Jan 19, 2018 6:03 PM, "Rory Conaway" < r...@triadwireless.net > wrote: >>> I haven’t run the numbers so please save me some time. Which one has less >>> fade >>> margin at 3.5 miles? I was going to use Siklu with a 2’ antenna. >>> Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO >>> 4226 S. 37 th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040 >>> 602-426-0542 >>> r...@triadwireless.net >>> www.triadwireless.net >>> “"Engineers believe that if it ain't broke, it doesn't have enough features >>> yet." — Scott Adams
Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24
We have two things to contend with... one is Oxygen Absorption second is Rain Fade Science says, 24ghz has much less O2 absorption fade vs 80ghz Science also says that 24ghz has slightly less Rain fade vs 80ghz Science also says that if on a particular link, if one is comparing 24ghz vs 80ghz, the difference in which link drops first will be based on the TX power / Antenna Gain and Rx sensitivity. If all things were exactly the same, then 80ghz would drop before 24ghz in Rain event. But in reality, all things are not the same.. I believe 80ghz one is allowed more power, and higher antenna gain. https://www.e-band.com/index.php?id=86 https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/dont-fall-siklu-overbuilds-distance-claims-david-theodore at 3.5miles, one is pushing the limits of both 24gzh as well as 80ghz.. Depending on what you are trying to achieve, and the rainzone, you can make your choice based on what will perform better normally... cause both of them will go out in rain :) Best of Luck Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Mathew Howard" > To: "af" > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 8:42:31 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24 > I'd guess 24ghz would be slightly better, but either one is going to drop at > that distance if you ever get heavy rain. > Somebody from Siklu told me at one time, that some of their customers have > told > then that their rainfade is slightly better than an AF24, but slightly worse > than an AF24HD... how accurate that is, I don't know. > On Jan 19, 2018 6:03 PM, "Rory Conaway" < r...@triadwireless.net > wrote: >> I haven’t run the numbers so please save me some time. Which one has less >> fade >> margin at 3.5 miles? I was going to use Siklu with a 2’ antenna. >> Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO >> 4226 S. 37 th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040 >> 602-426-0542 >> r...@triadwireless.net >> www.triadwireless.net >> “"Engineers believe that if it ain't broke, it doesn't have enough features >> yet." — Scott Adams
Re: [AFMUG] FS: Easy pass thru RJ45s heavy gold plated
I believe OEM would be a more 'polite' definition :) Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Chuck Hogg" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 11:55:00 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FS: Easy pass thru RJ45s heavy gold plated > Are these knock-off EZ-RJ45 connectors? > Regards, > Chuck > On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 10:42 AM, Christopher Gray < > cg...@graytechsoftware.com > > wrote: >> I believe the terms of the patents protecting the EZ-RJ45 connector design >> have >> not yet expired. >> On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 5:29 PM, TJ Trout < t...@voltbb.com > wrote: >>> Easy to install RJ45 connectors, plated in rare 50 micron GOLD, most >>> connectors >>> are only plated with 3 micron of gold. >>> Rated for CAT5E but CAT6 seems to fit and work well. Thousands deployed in >>> the >>> field over the last 12 months prior to offering these for sale. Fits tough >>> cable carrier. >>> Pics; >>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxHZtFLNWX_OWU9QTzY5bkNSNzg >>> $40 / 100 sheilded >>> $350 / 1000 shielded (Free Shipping) >>> $30 / 100 unshielded >>> $250 / 1000 unshielded (Free Shipping) >>> contact offlist / paypal t...@pcguys.us
Re: [AFMUG] Computer Image backup/restore
FYI... Just because Norton Ghost is being discoed, it does not mean that your copy will stop working. (At the end of the day, these are 'disc duplicators' / bit copiers) There are a number of Open Source alternatives available... e.g Clonezilla , Partimage, FOG Projects etc etc etc. Having said that.. My personal suggestion for you would be to re-think running stand alone machines and consider virtualization.. It may be a bit of a learning curve in the beginning, but moving forward in the future, it is going to save you a lot of time and grief. (since VM's are just another File..doing backup other maint. events are easy as pie ! ) Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" > To: "af" > Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 11:06:30 PM > Subject: [AFMUG] Computer Image backup/restore > Normally backups around here are file-based, I.E. I want to make sure I don't > lose data. > I have a couple of computers now which I really would hate to have to rebuild > due to hardware failure. These are generally computers which run a machine, > such as the automatic test system and the pick and place machine. These > machines area all typically single-drive (non-mirrored) mostly off the shelf > hardware running various versions of windows. I'd like to take a full image, > and have at least a reasonable chance of putting it back on similar hardware > (probably same motherboard, maybe different storage medium) and it just work. > It used to be that the tool for this was Norton Ghost. But that's been > discontinued (and I understand it was going downhill before that). So I'm > looking for whatever the current modern version is. > I know there's a few tools out there which do this (Macrium, Acronis, etc). > But > the reviews are all littered with failures. Unfortunately it's hard to tell > how > much of this is lack of clue and how much of this is broken software. > I'm wondering if anyone has experience with using these modern equivalents? > Preferably something which runs on a range of Windows OS'es, and can dump the > image onto NAS. > -- > Forrest Christian CEO , PacketFlux Technologies, Inc. > Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 > forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
Re: [AFMUG] 10g wave lan phy vs 10g wan phy
Like I said... Terminology means little.. Check the docs of what exactly you are being handed off... :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Eric Kuhnke" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 1:56:13 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 10g wave lan phy vs 10g wan phy > For those who've never ordered such circuits (pretty obvious you and I have, > some others have not) I guess what I'm trying to say is that 99% of the time > "a > wave" from a carrier means they want to interface with you with some standard > non-WDM optic, like 1310nm LX or 1550nm within a building. The other 1% of the > time you would be installing an actual DWDM channelized or tunable optic and > feeding them an optical signal directly to their mux/demux. The 1% is a pretty > rare scenario for smaller ISPs to be doing. > On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 10:43 AM, Seth Mattinen < se...@rollernet.us > wrote: >> On 12/20/17 09:59, Eric Kuhnke wrote: >>> You write as if a major carrier lets just anybody run an alien wave >>> adjacent to >>> all their other customers' circuits on two strands of fiber... Which is >>> actually really rare. You need to have a high level of trust and confidence >>> in >>> the abilities of the optical engineering on both sides. It is true that if >>> you >>> buy a DWDM wavelength provisioned between a set of chassis on both ends >>> (Ciena, >>> Adva, whatever) it will be indistinguishable /to you/ from a L2 ethernet >>> circuit. Whatever device you put on one end with a single MAC address, or a >>> set >>> of MAC addresses, will show up on the other end. Usually provisioned with >>> 1310nm LX optics on both ends for the greatest cost effectiveness. >> All I'm saying is if you are getting handed a wave directly, the carrier will >> tell you the optics you need to present, which shouldn't be assumed to be >> 1310nm. If you aren't getting the actual wave and there's an intermediate >> device, of course on the back end the carrier hides it and presents uniform >> 1310nm LX to customers. >> In my case there was an option for Ethernet LAN PHY or wavelengths, so given >> the >> option I went with the lower cost wavelength option. I know if I ordered the >> Ethernet option they would have done the same thing except used a Ciena 6500 >> to >> hand off 1310nm LX. I also also know that not everyone has that option, I >> just >> I didn't want to write a long ass email about it. People are free to think >> I'm >> full of shit and ignore me, but maybe someone will think huh I didn't know >> there could be a difference and expand their own knowledge base if they do in >> the future order from a carrier that options actual wavelengths where you >> have >> to match optics, or ask the salesperson if it's a possibility knowing >> there's a >> difference. >> ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Fiber media converters
Yes there are.. The are called 3R MEDIA Converters or OEO... rather expensive.. $600 to $1000 for each side, without optics. It is a lot cheaper to use Ethernet switches to do the conversion (especially if you are just using Ethernet.. i.e. no TDM or other requirements). Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - > From: "Sterling Jacobson" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 6:03:51 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber media converters > No to hijack, but are there any simple or managed media converters from SFP+ > 10Gbps SMF to Ethernet/Copper 2.5 and 5Gbps or even 10Gbps over Cat6? > > -Original Message- > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley > Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 3:58 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber media converters > > I ran into this recommendation in a previous post. > > https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIABCW6678914&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleMKP-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleMKP-PC-_-pla-_-Network+-+Transceivers-_-9SIABCW6678914&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIvbiZn8mW2AIVCgaRCh3EbwoBEAQYASABEgLrrfD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds > > Jay Weekley wrote: >> Looking for recommendations for a gigabit media converter that takes >> SC connectors. I've pulled a few recommendations from a previous >> thread but am looking for a few more. >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> http://www.avg.com >>
Re: [AFMUG] 10g wave lan phy vs 10g wan phy
Then your hand off is going to be on 10G (SMF) or (MM) .based on your request.. ... but most likely SMF standard 1310nm 10G (The carrier will be doing whatever conversations needed on their side (CWDM/DWDM etc).) -- FYI The WAN PHY also incorporates the WAN Interface Sublayer (WIS) to provide a simplified SONET framer function as well as the complement of SONET/SDH compatible MIBs. The output of the WIS is an OC-192 frame compatible signal. The only difference between the LAN PHY and the WAN PHY is the WIS sublayer. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Carl Peterson" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 5:42:42 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 10g wave lan phy vs 10g wan phy > This is specifically a wave and not L2 ethernet or MPLS. Also not dark. We > lease > a lot of metro dark but this is a regional connection and I have no need or > budget for a whole strand on this path. > I wouldn't mind colored optics, but this is a pretty heavy regional route and > I > doubt anyone is running passive DWDM on it. > On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 5:15 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net > > wrote: >> You should ask your provider, what is being handed to you.. >> Terminology means little >> Are you purchasing a lit circuit ? or a dark fiber / dark channel ? >> If it is a lit circuit, you can expect / specify the hand-off on either SMF >> or >> MM optics (SMF is more and more common). >> If you are getting a Dark Fiber / Dark Channel, then ask them what type of >> optics you need. >> I highly doubt that you are being sold a dark fiber / dark channel.. >> very likely 10g Lit circuit.. (many carriers use the term Wave to >> differentiate >> between Ethernet / MPLS circuits). >> Regards. >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> http://www.snappytelecom.net >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >>> From: "Carl Peterson" < cpeter...@portnetworks.com > >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 1:00:54 PM >>> Subject: [AFMUG] 10g wave lan phy vs 10g wan phy >>> We are about to sign a contract on a 10G wave and I'm trying to figure out >>> what >>> the wan phys should be and whats the difference. I'm assuming we would want >>> lan >>> phys. >>> Does this make sense and would we just use normal 10G optics on each end? >>> -- >>> Carl Peterson >>> PORT NETWORKS >>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 >>> Baltimore, MD 21202 >>> (410) 637-3707 > -- > Carl Peterson > PORT NETWORKS > 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 > Baltimore, MD 21202 > (410) 637-3707
Re: [AFMUG] 10g wave lan phy vs 10g wan phy
You should ask your provider, what is being handed to you.. Terminology means little Are you purchasing a lit circuit ? or a dark fiber / dark channel ? If it is a lit circuit, you can expect / specify the hand-off on either SMF or MM optics (SMF is more and more common). If you are getting a Dark Fiber / Dark Channel, then ask them what type of optics you need. I highly doubt that you are being sold a dark fiber / dark channel.. very likely 10g Lit circuit.. (many carriers use the term Wave to differentiate between Ethernet / MPLS circuits). Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Carl Peterson" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 1:00:54 PM > Subject: [AFMUG] 10g wave lan phy vs 10g wan phy > We are about to sign a contract on a 10G wave and I'm trying to figure out > what > the wan phys should be and whats the difference. I'm assuming we would want > lan > phys. > Does this make sense and would we just use normal 10G optics on each end? > -- > Carl Peterson > PORT NETWORKS > 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 > Baltimore, MD 21202 > (410) 637-3707
Re: [AFMUG] FCC licensing for dummies
Arm-chair quarterbacking ! in 11glhz(USA), license are issued in 80mhz or 40mhz chunks... the radios which will only use 56mhz of that 80mhz license. (so, if you think you have a '56mhz' license because that is what the radio is using ..., it is actually an 80mhz channel coordinated for you.) Changing Radios/ Antennas, requires an update... check with your coordinator on specifics and $$ Moving Radios from one site to another nearby site .. would require a coordination and new site location registration. You really should be asking these questions to your coordinator... they are all very good and fast at answering these types of questions.. Like all of us, they earn their living by serving their clients, and the more educated their clients are, the better it is for them. (FYI.. the Mimosa may or may not be licensed in the same manner as the integra would be licensed.. i.e. Integra 2+0 may or may not be an exact drop in match of your 80ghz Mimosa License...chances are very high that it is .. but you still need to double check that ). Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Jon Langeler" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 2:10:15 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC licensing for dummies > It’s new work. But maybe only $1500 or less for the FCC paperwork. There’s no > loopholes to be had. > Jon Langeler > Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Dec 14, 2017, at 12:01 AM, Mathew Howard < mhoward...@gmail.com > wrote: >> So, as long as you're using the same channels, it's basically just updating >> the >> hardware on the license, and you don't have to go through coordination or >> anything like that? What about if you're currently using a 56mhz channel and >> go >> up to 80mhz? >> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 10:42 PM, Seth Mattinen < se...@rollernet.us > wrote: >>> On 12/13/17 8:27 PM, Steve Jones wrote: >>>> Why not license that 57(60) mhz channel at 80 just to have the 80 when we >>>> relocate it? can we do that? >>> In 11GHz your choices at the upper end are 40 or 80MHz channels. If you >>> want to >>> run at any size above 40Mhz then you would ask to license an 80Mhz channel. >>> For >>> example a SAF Lumina running at 56Mhz would license an 80MHz channel. >>>> We also have two mimosa links at 80 that id prefer to have nearer the end >>>> of our >>>> network than closer. As long as we dont exceed EIRP and reuse the antenna, >>>> is >>>> there anything stopping us from just replacing these with the more stable >>>> integra 2+0? >>>> does the fcc care if the hardware changes, but the pattern stays the same >>>> without exceeding the EIRP? >>> Yes, you have to modify the license for any changes. >>> ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Cable crimpers for RJ-45 work
Have you seen Jaime's work ? While using factory terminated patch cables, saves times.. but it is not easy to have the meticulous, neat and organized cable runs, cause each one has to be sized accordingly. :) To each their own ! Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Steve Jones" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 2:24:48 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cable crimpers for RJ-45 work > other than experiencing some really questionable gigabit connectivity issues > and > maddening issues with packetflux sync, on POPs i only see rj45 ends valuabled > in top end cross connects and radio terminations, everything else should be > punched down to cat5/6 inserts and factory terminated patch cables > why touch your cabling infrastructure? > On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 9:16 PM, Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > > wrote: >> the biggest cause of failure is not maintaining the blades on ez crimpers. >> Fresh >> blades and the ends have zero non ID10T errors (if using the real connectors >> and not knock offs) >> moisture --- if you have a drop of water in the connector, its not the >> connector >> thats the issue >> the brown is normally the first indicator, it catches doesnt fully cleave, >> instinct is to pull it off --- you just uncrimped that pin >> the next thing is they start beveling --- now moisture can be an issue, but >> more >> than likely that scorch, its cause you took a small surge that arced or you >> are >> directly shorting (the copper likes to hide behind the remaining insulation >> maintain your blades, they chew through blades fast >> dont use cable thats too snug on the insulation, it can roll the crimp, but >> the >> garbage cable is probably going to be a problem anyway >> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 5:54 PM, Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > >> wrote: >>> Not having issue with moisture...the cable slide guides on some allow >>> cables to >>> be pinched enough to fail even though pin out is correct. For now I am >>> going to >>> attribute to my bad Hombre crimperI like Klein so I will buy one this >>> week. >>> Thanks for heads up >>> Jaime Solorza >>> On Dec 13, 2017 4:34 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" < fai...@snappytelecom.net > wrote: >>>> Jaime, >>>> We have been using Platinum tools crimper for their ez-45 jacks. (last 10 >>>> years >>>> or so ? ) >>>> Not sure which Klein model you are looking at, I would not be surprised if >>>> the >>>> Klein is an oem by Platinum Tools. >>>> In regards to comments about moisture and shorting ... cannot say we have >>>> seen >>>> that as a functional/design defect of using ez-rj45 connectors. >>>> Most moisture & water intrusions are due to other issues.. >>>> (p.s. there is a valid reason why Mimosa includes a small tube of >>>> 'superlube' >>>> with their radios... it works surprising well in keeping the moisture out >>>> of >>>> the connector, we have started using it more 'religiously' ) >>>> Regards >>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>> http://www.snappytelecom.net >>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >>>>> From: "Jaime Solorza" < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > >>>>> To: "Animal Farm" < af@afmug.com > >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 1:19:09 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cable crimpers for RJ-45 work >>>>> Yep...I agree >>>>> Jaime Solorza >>>>> On Dec 13, 2017 11:15 AM, "Bill Prince" < part15...@gmail.com > wrote: >>>>>> Oh. Those "easy-RJ45" things? I hate those. >>>>>> bp >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/13/2017 9:08 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: >>>>>>> The guys I work with use nothing but pass through RJ-45 connectors so I >>>>>>> am >>>>>>> looking at Klein one. >>>>>>> Jaime Solorza >>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2017 10:05 AM, "Bill Prince" < part15...@gmail.com > wrote: >>>>>>>> Passthrough RJ45? Or other style connec
Re: [AFMUG] Cable crimpers for RJ-45 work
Jaime, We have been using Platinum tools crimper for their ez-45 jacks. (last 10 years or so ? ) Not sure which Klein model you are looking at, I would not be surprised if the Klein is an oem by Platinum Tools. In regards to comments about moisture and shorting ... cannot say we have seen that as a functional/design defect of using ez-rj45 connectors. Most moisture & water intrusions are due to other issues.. (p.s. there is a valid reason why Mimosa includes a small tube of 'superlube' with their radios... it works surprising well in keeping the moisture out of the connector, we have started using it more 'religiously' ) Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Jaime Solorza" > To: "Animal Farm" > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 1:19:09 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cable crimpers for RJ-45 work > Yep...I agree > Jaime Solorza > On Dec 13, 2017 11:15 AM, "Bill Prince" < part15...@gmail.com > wrote: >> Oh. Those "easy-RJ45" things? I hate those. >> bp >> >> On 12/13/2017 9:08 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: >>> The guys I work with use nothing but pass through RJ-45 connectors so I am >>> looking at Klein one. >>> Jaime Solorza >>> On Dec 13, 2017 10:05 AM, "Bill Prince" < part15...@gmail.com > wrote: >>>> Passthrough RJ45? Or other style connectors? Only the RJ45 is done from >>>> the end. >>>> The other dies go in from the side (as is typical). >>>> bp >>>> >>>> On 12/13/2017 9:01 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: >>>>> does it work with pass through connectors? >>>>> Jaime Solorza >>>>> Wireless Systems Architect >>>>> 915-861-1390 >>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 9:59 AM, Bill Prince < part15...@gmail.com > >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> I have a Paladin that has replaceable dies. It's a little different in >>>>>> that you >>>>>> insert the RJ45 from the end instead of the side. I have dies for all >>>>>> the usual >>>>>> suspects, RJ45, RJ11, BNC, N connectors, etc. >>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/Greenlee-PA8033-Ergonomic-CrimpALL-Crimper/dp/B6HYWF?SubscriptionId=AKIAI6T6MQZ3NIEZLJXQ&tag=hanutt0f-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B6HYWF&ascsubtag=534fd1a1-e9c8-4552-bc51-40082f82ce65 >>>>>> bp >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/13/2017 8:37 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: >>>>>>> What are you kool kats using for your LAN cable crimps? >>>>>>> Mine started breaking end of connectors and caused some issues. Luckily >>>>>>> I had a >>>>>>> spare...looking at the Klein one but open to suggestions. >>>>>>> thanks >>>>>>> Jaime Solorza >>>>>>> Wireless Systems Architect >>>>>>> 915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] 11ghz license questions
Please review the question asked (my question) and the answer... my question was in regards to transferring license... the OP had asked a similar question, claiming a mistake made by Coordinator.. If you are suggesting that $250 fee is unreasonable.. what would you / your company would have charged for such a service (I am talking about x-fer not a screw-up). (I know you are retired.. but the question still stand :) ) :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Tim Hardy" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 8:48:15 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11ghz license questions > Late to this discussion, but if the “Pro’s” had done this correctly in the > first > place there wouldn't be an issue now. Just saying, you get what you pay for. > Again, disclaimer - I’m retired and do not work for any of the “Pros” and have > no dog in this fight - but even if the FRN wasn’t given to them correctly, the > $250 fee is unreasonable. > Tim > Do you believe in getting information from the 'Pro's' who do this for a > living > ? or do you all just like having arm chair discussions ? > > Call me what every you like here is the answer:- > It took less time to get it than it took to read you all's discussion > == > Hi Faisal, > To transfer the licenses, we would need their FRN & password. The cost is $250 > plus FCC Fees. The Fees are generally around $175 per Call Sign. It takes > about > 2 weeks, for the FCC to approve the transfer, maybe another week for them to > move the Call Signs over. > Liz
Re: [AFMUG] Full erection..
Well.. .just for a moment think if you have the shemagh on when you were working on that job, what could / would have been the potential outcome ? ;) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Jaime Solorza" > To: "Animal Farm" > Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 7:53:14 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Full erection.. > I think because we had letter from superintendent... > Jaime Solorza > On Dec 7, 2017 6:12 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" < fai...@snappytelecom.net > wrote: >> Amazing how such events make us all adjust our behavior ! >> At least you got an apology... >> All we got was dirty looks !.. >> ;) >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> http://www.snappytelecom.net >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >>> From: "Jaime Solorza" < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > >>> To: "Animal Farm" < af@afmug.com > >>> Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 6:57:50 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Full erection.. >>> That happened to us 1994 in Pflugerville Texassome one called and said >>> a.bunch of wetbacks had broken into a school. We were installing towers on >>> certain schools for wireless links to connect campuses together. The guy on >>> tower radioed down that bunch of police cars had parked around parking lot. >>> Pointed gun at us when we came to roofs edge to look...asked us to come >>> down...by that time the sheriff should up and asked how we got into >>> school...showed him the keys assigned to us, the alarms codes and letter >>> from >>> superintendent for us to show principal and security. He apologized and made >>> officers who pointed guns at us apologize. I didn't laugh. >>> Jaime Solorza >>> On Dec 7, 2017 5:39 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" < fai...@snappytelecom.net > wrote: >>>> LOL !... >>>> Did I tell you the story of . >>>> Myself and my business partner were working on a Roof top installing a >>>> some gear >>>> ... >>>> . Someone called the Cops on us... ..I was on a section of >>>> roof, >>>> where I could see the ground... I witnessed the "Gathering" of approx a >>>> dozen >>>> cops / cop cars along with a few who were in almost full tactical gear... >>>> (bullet proof jackets.. hand resting on their weapons). >>>> For a few minuets they were staring at me.. and I was 'watching' the >>>> show.. (My >>>> partner was working on section of roof from where he could not see what was >>>> going on down on the ground. >>>> needless to say, they motioned me to come down... and I said something to >>>> Frank >>>> hey there are about a dozen Cop Cars and one of them is signaling us >>>> to >>>> come down... (his reaction was somewhat like.. you better listen to them >>>> before >>>> they open fire !!!).. >>>> We went down... walked out towards them .. waving our hands in a nervous >>>> waving >>>> motion as if we were saying hello .. i.e. short of hands in the air.. >>>> saying >>>> don't shoot !!! >>>> >>>> So now I am a lot more conciseness of what I look like when I am working >>>> in the >>>> field and what is going on around >>>> :) >>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>> http://www.snappytelecom.net >>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >>>>> From: "Jaime Solorza" < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > >>>>> To: "Animal Farm" < af@afmug.com > >>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 6:28:55 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Full erection.. >>>>> Mine is tactical ...I got it a place where law enforcement and military >>>>> buy >>>>> gear. I tie it different ways...my son who was in Iraq taught me. What a >>>>> critical bunch >>>>> Jaime Solorza >>>>> On Dec 7, 2017 5:07 PM, "Cameron Crum" < cc...@wispmon.com > wrote: >>>>>> I just know it works well in paintball to keep my bare nec
Re: [AFMUG] Full erection..
Amazing how such events make us all adjust our behavior ! At least you got an apology... All we got was dirty looks !.. ;) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Jaime Solorza" > To: "Animal Farm" > Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 6:57:50 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Full erection.. > That happened to us 1994 in Pflugerville Texassome one called and said > a.bunch of wetbacks had broken into a school. We were installing towers on > certain schools for wireless links to connect campuses together. The guy on > tower radioed down that bunch of police cars had parked around parking lot. > Pointed gun at us when we came to roofs edge to look...asked us to come > down...by that time the sheriff should up and asked how we got into > school...showed him the keys assigned to us, the alarms codes and letter from > superintendent for us to show principal and security. He apologized and made > officers who pointed guns at us apologize. I didn't laugh. > Jaime Solorza > On Dec 7, 2017 5:39 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" < fai...@snappytelecom.net > wrote: >> LOL !... >> Did I tell you the story of . >> Myself and my business partner were working on a Roof top installing a some >> gear >> ... >> . Someone called the Cops on us... ..I was on a section of roof, >> where I could see the ground... I witnessed the "Gathering" of approx a dozen >> cops / cop cars along with a few who were in almost full tactical gear... >> (bullet proof jackets.. hand resting on their weapons). >> For a few minuets they were staring at me.. and I was 'watching' the show.. >> (My >> partner was working on section of roof from where he could not see what was >> going on down on the ground. >> needless to say, they motioned me to come down... and I said something to >> Frank >> hey there are about a dozen Cop Cars and one of them is signaling us to >> come down... (his reaction was somewhat like.. you better listen to them >> before >> they open fire !!!).. >> We went down... walked out towards them .. waving our hands in a nervous >> waving >> motion as if we were saying hello .. i.e. short of hands in the air.. saying >> don't shoot !!! >> >> So now I am a lot more conciseness of what I look like when I am working in >> the >> field and what is going on around >> :) >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> http://www.snappytelecom.net >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >>> From: "Jaime Solorza" < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > >>> To: "Animal Farm" < af@afmug.com > >>> Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 6:28:55 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Full erection.. >>> Mine is tactical ...I got it a place where law enforcement and military buy >>> gear. I tie it different ways...my son who was in Iraq taught me. What a >>> critical bunch >>> Jaime Solorza >>> On Dec 7, 2017 5:07 PM, "Cameron Crum" < cc...@wispmon.com > wrote: >>>> I just know it works well in paintball to keep my bare neck from getting >>>> tagged. >>>> Only had to have that happen once. >>>> On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net > >>>> wrote: >>>>> You know what is 'funny' and ironic about the Shemagh or Keffiyah. >>>>> There are mental pictures ingrained in everyone's head, greatly dependent >>>>> on the >>>>> Color and how one is wearing it. >>>>> For Example. >>>>> Your's is a yellow and black pattern you have... typically worn by Western >>>>> Tactical forces and not a color that is used by Arabs in the Middle >>>>> East. >>>>> (More of a fashion color per say) >>>>> If it was White and black pattern ... and you are covering your face with >>>>> it.. >>>>> Hollywood likes to depict Middle East Terrorists in that manner >>>>> (That particular White with Black pattern is commonly preferred by Arab >>>>> Bedouins >>>>> (Saudi Arabia) >>>>> Palestinians Shemagh is White and a less dense Black pattern. >>>>> If it was White with Red pattern.. then you could be from Arabian >>>&g
Re: [AFMUG] 11ghz license questions
LOL !... I will have to remember that :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Mathew Howard" > To: "af" > Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 6:54:49 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11ghz license questions > Mostly we just like having armchair discussions... and then we ask somebody > that > knows what they're talking about when we're done. > On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net > > wrote: >> < rant > >> Do you believe in getting information from the 'Pro's' who do this for a >> living >> ? or do you all just like having arm chair discussions ? >> >> Call me what every you like here is the answer:- >> It took less time to get it than it took to read you all's discussion >> == >> Hi Faisal, >> To transfer the licenses, we would need their FRN & password. The cost is >> $250 >> plus FCC Fees. The Fees are generally around $175 per Call Sign. It takes >> about >> 2 weeks, for the FCC to approve the transfer, maybe another week for them to >> move the Call Signs over. >> Liz >> -Original Message- >> From: Faisal Imtiaz [ mailto: fai...@snappytelecom.net ] >> Sent: Thursday, December 7 , 2017 4:32 PM >> To: Liz Creekmore < l...@intelpath.com > >> Subject: Question / License x-fer >> Hi Liz, >> Quick question:- >> If we acquire a company that has existing Licensed Link, what is involved in >> transferring the license to our company ? >> Thanks. >> = >> (apologies for sounding like a condescending ass !... that is a personality >> flaw >> I have .. ) >> Faisal >>> From: "Steve Jones" < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 5:27:03 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11ghz license questions >>> one of the two sites on this link we do have. but the FCC had said its was >>> 600-1k to transfer depending on how we did it or something. Live and learn >>> On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Mathew Howard < mhoward...@gmail.com > >>> wrote: >>>> I don't know if there's any way to transfer a license from one FRN to >>>> another, >>>> but cancelling the existing license and applying for a new one on the >>>> other FRN >>>> will cost more than changing the current license (as far as FCC fees). >>>> Unless >>>> you already have other licenses on those sites under the other FRN - then >>>> it >>>> would just be done as a modification either way. >>>> On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 4:09 PM, Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > >>>> wrote: >>>>> yes, we have the existing one, its just associated to the wrong FRN, >>>>> On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 1:46 PM, Eric Kuhnke < eric.kuh...@gmail.com > >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> you have 60 MHz channels coordinated now? >>>>>> changing it to 80 MHz will likely require re-coordination, but the costs >>>>>> will >>>>>> not be as high for total money you pay to a coordinator for coordination >>>>>> + FCC >>>>>> filing fees, because both ends of your PTP link already have site >>>>>> callsigns >>>>>> established and paid for. >>>>>> On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 11:23 AM, Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com >>>>>> > >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> The reseller has the coordinator looking into this, just wanting some >>>>>>> input >>>>>>> Our first 11ghz link got a little messed up. We make most purchases >>>>>>> through our >>>>>>> partner company. by default the vendor naturally assumes the purchaser >>>>>>> is the >>>>>>> FRN (they did change this policy after this) So they generated one and >>>>>>> thats >>>>>>> where our license ended up, its not a big deal, the partner company is >>>>>>> part of >>>>>>> the whole thing here (corp stuff I dont understand) >>>>>>> All our subsequent licenses have been put under our FRN >>>>>>> It seems a waste of money at the time to do a transfer, it was going to >>>>>>> cost >>>>>>> 600-1k and didnt give us gain. >>>>>>> However, we are looking at changing from this 56mhz to 80 to go to an >>>>>>> integra >>>>>>> link so the license is going to be altered, this would be the time to >>>>>>> do it >>>>>>> do we "cancel" the current channels license and just apply for a new >>>>>>> one on our >>>>>>> FRN, do we do a modification and transfer, etc? >>>>>>> I assume the coordinator will figure it all out, Im just curious what >>>>>>> options >>>>>>> are there and if anyone ever had this similar issue
Re: [AFMUG] Full erection..
>>> I am too ignorant to know the difference. Towel on head== danger! Sad, but true. Unless it is a Nativity display ! ;) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: ch...@wbmfg.com > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 6:32:21 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Full erection.. > I am too ignorant to know the difference. Towel on head== danger! > From: Jaime Solorza > Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 4:28 PM > To: Animal Farm > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Full erection.. > Mine is tactical ...I got it a place where law enforcement and military buy > gear. I tie it different ways...my son who was in Iraq taught me. What a > critical bunch > Jaime Solorza > On Dec 7, 2017 5:07 PM, "Cameron Crum" < cc...@wispmon.com > wrote: >> I just know it works well in paintball to keep my bare neck from getting >> tagged. >> Only had to have that happen once. >> On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net > >> wrote: >>> You know what is 'funny' and ironic about the Shemagh or Keffiyah. >>> There are mental pictures ingrained in everyone's head, greatly dependent >>> on the >>> Color and how one is wearing it. >>> For Example. >>> Your's is a yellow and black pattern you have... typically worn by Western >>> Tactical forces and not a color that is used by Arabs in the Middle >>> East. >>> (More of a fashion color per say) >>> If it was White and black pattern ... and you are covering your face with >>> it.. >>> Hollywood likes to depict Middle East Terrorists in that manner >>> (That particular White with Black pattern is commonly preferred by Arab >>> Bedouins >>> (Saudi Arabia) >>> Palestinians Shemagh is White and a less dense Black pattern. >>> If it was White with Red pattern.. then you could be from Arabian Peninsula >>> more >>> on the Asian side.. (Yemeni / Iraqi etc.. ) mostly worn as a turban.. >>> If it was just plain white .. worn on the head, not covering the face.. it >>> would >>> be from the mainstream Arabs, the more affluent ones.. >>> If you used it to cover your face.. then it would be a neeqab.. what the >>> ladies >>> wear ! >>> and if you wait for another two or 3 weeks, and wear a white one on your >>> head..without covering your face along with the black/gold head ring, then >>> you >>> would considered to be dressed like one of the Wise Men who made their >>> journey >>> to Bethlehem to see newly born Prophet !. >>> It funny how the mental imagery works ! >>> :) >>> BTW.. it is a very practical piece of apparel with many many uses ! >>> Faisal Imtiaz >>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>> http://www.snappytelecom.net >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >>>> From: "Jaime Solorza" < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > >>>> To: "Animal Farm" < af@afmug.com > >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 1:04:05 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Full erection.. >>>> Jaime Solorza >>>> On Dec 7, 2017 12:00 PM, "Jaime Solorza" < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > >>>> wrote: >>>>> Insha allah >>>>> Jaime Solorza >>>>> On Dec 7, 2017 11:56 AM, "Robert" < i...@avantwireless.com > wrote: >>>>>> fake news coming from the middle east... >>>>>> On 12/7/17 9:49 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: >>>>>>> Colder today on tower ... luckily I was only installing air terminal >>>>>>> Jaime Solorza >>>>>>> On Dec 7, 2017 10:31 AM, "Jaime Solorza" < losguyswirel...@gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com >> wrote: >>>>>>> Yep >>>>>>> Jaime Solorza >>>>>>> On Dec 7, 2017 10:05 AM, "Lewis Bergman" < lewis.berg...@gmail.com >>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> I like it when I am fully erect. >>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 7:16 PM Jaime Solorza >>>>>>> < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> Got it done with gin pole ... >>>>>>> Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] Full erection..
LOL !... Did I tell you the story of . Myself and my business partner were working on a Roof top installing a some gear ... . Someone called the Cops on us... ..I was on a section of roof, where I could see the ground... I witnessed the "Gathering" of approx a dozen cops / cop cars along with a few who were in almost full tactical gear... (bullet proof jackets.. hand resting on their weapons). For a few minuets they were staring at me.. and I was 'watching' the show.. (My partner was working on section of roof from where he could not see what was going on down on the ground. needless to say, they motioned me to come down... and I said something to Frank hey there are about a dozen Cop Cars and one of them is signaling us to come down... (his reaction was somewhat like.. you better listen to them before they open fire !!!).. We went down... walked out towards them .. waving our hands in a nervous waving motion as if we were saying hello .. i.e. short of hands in the air.. saying don't shoot !!! So now I am a lot more conciseness of what I look like when I am working in the field and what is going on around :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Jaime Solorza" > To: "Animal Farm" > Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 6:28:55 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Full erection.. > Mine is tactical ...I got it a place where law enforcement and military buy > gear. I tie it different ways...my son who was in Iraq taught me. What a > critical bunch > Jaime Solorza > On Dec 7, 2017 5:07 PM, "Cameron Crum" < cc...@wispmon.com > wrote: >> I just know it works well in paintball to keep my bare neck from getting >> tagged. >> Only had to have that happen once. >> On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net > >> wrote: >>> You know what is 'funny' and ironic about the Shemagh or Keffiyah. >>> There are mental pictures ingrained in everyone's head, greatly dependent >>> on the >>> Color and how one is wearing it. >>> For Example. >>> Your's is a yellow and black pattern you have... typically worn by Western >>> Tactical forces and not a color that is used by Arabs in the Middle >>> East. >>> (More of a fashion color per say) >>> If it was White and black pattern ... and you are covering your face with >>> it.. >>> Hollywood likes to depict Middle East Terrorists in that manner >>> (That particular White with Black pattern is commonly preferred by Arab >>> Bedouins >>> (Saudi Arabia) >>> Palestinians Shemagh is White and a less dense Black pattern. >>> If it was White with Red pattern.. then you could be from Arabian Peninsula >>> more >>> on the Asian side.. (Yemeni / Iraqi etc.. ) mostly worn as a turban.. >>> If it was just plain white .. worn on the head, not covering the face.. it >>> would >>> be from the mainstream Arabs, the more affluent ones.. >>> If you used it to cover your face.. then it would be a neeqab.. what the >>> ladies >>> wear ! >>> and if you wait for another two or 3 weeks, and wear a white one on your >>> head..without covering your face along with the black/gold head ring, then >>> you >>> would considered to be dressed like one of the Wise Men who made their >>> journey >>> to Bethlehem to see newly born Prophet !. >>> It funny how the mental imagery works ! >>> :) >>> BTW.. it is a very practical piece of apparel with many many uses ! >>> Faisal Imtiaz >>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>> http://www.snappytelecom.net >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >>>> From: "Jaime Solorza" < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > >>>> To: "Animal Farm" < af@afmug.com > >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 1:04:05 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Full erection.. >>>> Jaime Solorza >>>> On Dec 7, 2017 12:00 PM, "Jaime Solorza" < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > >>>> wrote: >>>>> Insha allah >>>>> Jaime Solorza >>>>> On Dec 7, 2017 11:56 AM, "Robert" < i...@avantwireless.com > wrote: >>>>>> fake news coming from the middle east... >>>>>> On 12/7/17 9:49 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: >>>>>>> Colder today on tower ... luckily I was only installing air terminal >>>>>>> Jaime Solorza >>>>>>> On Dec 7, 2017 10:31 AM, "Jaime Solorza" < losguyswirel...@gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com >> wrote: >>>>>>> Yep >>>>>>> Jaime Solorza >>>>>>> On Dec 7, 2017 10:05 AM, "Lewis Bergman" < lewis.berg...@gmail.com >>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> I like it when I am fully erect. >>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 7:16 PM Jaime Solorza >>>>>>> < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> Got it done with gin pole ... >>>>>>> Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
> I saw some quote from some starlet this week about one of these guys that > was a particularly bad actor (as in he forced himself on many). She said > "every time I would spend the night at his house he would rape me". OK, is > there a problem in simply not sleeping over where you always get raped. Fool > me once... While it is easy to pass judgement on the (invitational) behavior, a lot of time and science (behavioral) and psychology has been spent in trying to explain this. How big of a problem this actually is in every society ? Without passing judgement, have a discussion about the reality of this and many other similar issues, with someone who works or has worked in the Hospital ER ... This goes a lot deeper than just predictor sexual behavior by powerful men.. this is part and parcel of a basket of poor human behavior that is inclusive of Spouse Abuse, Child Molestation, incest, and many other issues. (I saw my 20year old grow up extremely fast, when he worked as a Scribe, covering the Hospital ER..) (He witnessed the best and worst of humanity first hand and some of the stories he shared were almost unbelievable) I am not sure, if one is doing justice by being quick to be dismissive... Just because in yesteryears it was hidden from everyone's view, does not make it Ok or correct. Yes there are whole spectrum of issues in this 'basket' but none of them should be used as a justification. Yes there are challenges created by Society / Peer Pressure and Community behavior that all contribute into making this happen. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - > From: ch...@wbmfg.com > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 12:03:02 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political > But this zero tolerance/scorched earth chicken house effect does not care > about law. If some Hollywood type put the make on some starlet 40 years ago > there seems to be a concerted effort to end their career. Same for > politicians. > > In my world, women never had a problem in letting me know if I was making > them feel uncomfortable. At least that is my recollection. But I was never > in a position of power or authority. Just some pimply faced kid trying to > get lucky. I cannot imagine the difficulty for the attractive young woman > trying to make her way in acting or business or politics and getting a > boorish dude pushing himself on her. It is a tough problem that has existed > for as long as humans have existed. > > I saw some quote from some starlet this week about one of these guys that > was a particularly bad actor (as in he forced himself on many). She said > "every time I would spend the night at his house he would rape me". OK, is > there a problem in simply not sleeping over where you always get raped. Fool > me once... > > -Original Message- > From: Robert > Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 9:49 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political > > Isn't this why there are statutes of limitations of laws? > > On 12/7/17 8:38 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >> I watched Dustin Hoffman get ambushed on a news show the other day. The >> guy doing the questioning was grilling him on stuff that supposedly >> happened 40 years ago. >> Who is the same person they were 40 years ago? >> Is there to be any allowance for increased wisdom, growing up, learning, >> changes of attitudes? >> Is there to be any allowance for the era or environment in which the >> offense happened? >> *From:* Adam Moffett >> *Sent:* Thursday, December 7, 2017 9:09 AM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political >> Reminds me of the Black Mirror episode called "Nosedive" >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosedive >> It's available on Netflix. >> Basically, scoring on social media gets used for everything. The prices >> you pay for services, whether you're allowed into a condo, whether you get >> to have and keep a job, how the police treat you. I get the impression >> that it's not codified as law, just a fact of the presence of social media >> and ubiquitous access to it. Basically the Facebook distopia. It's a >> good episodeand a good series in general. >> -- Original Message -- >> From: ch...@wbmfg.com >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: 12/7/2017 10:56:23 AM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political >>> Maybe they could start with China’
Re: [AFMUG] 11ghz license questions
< rant > Do you believe in getting information from the 'Pro's' who do this for a living ? or do you all just like having arm chair discussions ? Call me what every you like here is the answer:- It took less time to get it than it took to read you all's discussion == Hi Faisal, To transfer the licenses, we would need their FRN & password. The cost is $250 plus FCC Fees. The Fees are generally around $175 per Call Sign. It takes about 2 weeks, for the FCC to approve the transfer, maybe another week for them to move the Call Signs over. Liz -Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz [ mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net ] Sent: Thursday, December 7 , 2017 4:32 PM To: Liz Creekmore < l...@intelpath.com > Subject: Question / License x-fer Hi Liz, Quick question:- If we acquire a company that has existing Licensed Link, what is involved in transferring the license to our company ? Thanks. = (apologies for sounding like a condescending ass !... that is a personality flaw I have .. ) Faisal > From: "Steve Jones" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 5:27:03 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11ghz license questions > one of the two sites on this link we do have. but the FCC had said its was > 600-1k to transfer depending on how we did it or something. Live and learn > On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Mathew Howard < mhoward...@gmail.com > wrote: >> I don't know if there's any way to transfer a license from one FRN to >> another, >> but cancelling the existing license and applying for a new one on the other >> FRN >> will cost more than changing the current license (as far as FCC fees). Unless >> you already have other licenses on those sites under the other FRN - then it >> would just be done as a modification either way. >> On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 4:09 PM, Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > >> wrote: >>> yes, we have the existing one, its just associated to the wrong FRN, >>> On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 1:46 PM, Eric Kuhnke < eric.kuh...@gmail.com > wrote: >>>> you have 60 MHz channels coordinated now? >>>> changing it to 80 MHz will likely require re-coordination, but the costs >>>> will >>>> not be as high for total money you pay to a coordinator for coordination + >>>> FCC >>>> filing fees, because both ends of your PTP link already have site callsigns >>>> established and paid for. >>>> On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 11:23 AM, Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > >>>> wrote: >>>>> The reseller has the coordinator looking into this, just wanting some >>>>> input >>>>> Our first 11ghz link got a little messed up. We make most purchases >>>>> through our >>>>> partner company. by default the vendor naturally assumes the purchaser is >>>>> the >>>>> FRN (they did change this policy after this) So they generated one and >>>>> thats >>>>> where our license ended up, its not a big deal, the partner company is >>>>> part of >>>>> the whole thing here (corp stuff I dont understand) >>>>> All our subsequent licenses have been put under our FRN >>>>> It seems a waste of money at the time to do a transfer, it was going to >>>>> cost >>>>> 600-1k and didnt give us gain. >>>>> However, we are looking at changing from this 56mhz to 80 to go to an >>>>> integra >>>>> link so the license is going to be altered, this would be the time to do >>>>> it >>>>> do we "cancel" the current channels license and just apply for a new one >>>>> on our >>>>> FRN, do we do a modification and transfer, etc? >>>>> I assume the coordinator will figure it all out, Im just curious what >>>>> options >>>>> are there and if anyone ever had this similar issue
Re: [AFMUG] Full erection..
You know what is 'funny' and ironic about the Shemagh or Keffiyah. There are mental pictures ingrained in everyone's head, greatly dependent on the Color and how one is wearing it. For Example. Your's is a yellow and black pattern you have... typically worn by Western Tactical forces and not a color that is used by Arabs in the Middle East. (More of a fashion color per say) If it was White and black pattern ... and you are covering your face with it.. Hollywood likes to depict Middle East Terrorists in that manner (That particular White with Black pattern is commonly preferred by Arab Bedouins (Saudi Arabia) Palestinians Shemagh is White and a less dense Black pattern. If it was White with Red pattern.. then you could be from Arabian Peninsula more on the Asian side.. (Yemeni / Iraqi etc.. ) mostly worn as a turban.. If it was just plain white .. worn on the head, not covering the face.. it would be from the mainstream Arabs, the more affluent ones.. If you used it to cover your face.. then it would be a neeqab.. what the ladies wear ! and if you wait for another two or 3 weeks, and wear a white one on your head..without covering your face along with the black/gold head ring, then you would considered to be dressed like one of the Wise Men who made their journey to Bethlehem to see newly born Prophet !. It funny how the mental imagery works ! :) BTW.. it is a very practical piece of apparel with many many uses ! Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Jaime Solorza" > To: "Animal Farm" > Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 1:04:05 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Full erection.. > Jaime Solorza > On Dec 7, 2017 12:00 PM, "Jaime Solorza" < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > wrote: >> Insha allah >> Jaime Solorza >> On Dec 7, 2017 11:56 AM, "Robert" < i...@avantwireless.com > wrote: >>> fake news coming from the middle east... >>> On 12/7/17 9:49 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: >>>> Colder today on tower ... luckily I was only installing air terminal >>>> Jaime Solorza >>>> On Dec 7, 2017 10:31 AM, "Jaime Solorza" < losguyswirel...@gmail.com >>>> >>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com >> wrote: >>>> Yep >>>> Jaime Solorza >>>> On Dec 7, 2017 10:05 AM, "Lewis Bergman" < lewis.berg...@gmail.com >>>> > wrote: >>>> I like it when I am fully erect. >>>> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 7:16 PM Jaime Solorza >>>> < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > >>>> wrote: >>>> Got it done with gin pole ... >>>> Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish
It is easy to play with words and confuse with what one sees vs reality. My question to you is .. Have you seen a cow being killed and steak being cut ? Have you seen sausage being made ? Mfg is not a 'one time' process, and yes creative techniques are used in first run production of small batches. (That should answer your HotGlue concern no hot glue is there in the units I have opened up after the initial ones) Now in regards to USB.. to each your own.. I see it no different than any other way of connecting stuff together.. as long as it works and works well so what ! :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Eric Kuhnke" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 12:35:43 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish > What, you mean you don't want to build carrier-grade five nines infrastructure > out of USB dongles held in place with a hot-glue gun? > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 6:48 AM, Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: >> I've been scared of IgniteNet MetroLinq ever since I saw the pictures of its >> insides. >> -- Original Message -- >> From: "Mathew Howard" < mhoward...@gmail.com > >> To: "af" < af@afmug.com > >> Sent: 11/28/2017 9:00:38 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish >>> Well, yeah, it depends what all he ends up feeding with it. If it needs more >>> than what the current AF24 can handle, I wouldn't go to an AF24HD... An >>> 80ghz >>> link wouldn't even cost all that much more, and then it'll be able to handle >>> enough bandwidth that you'll probably never have to mess with it again. >>> There >>> are also other 24ghz radios that would at least give you the option of >>> smaller >>> antennas, if nothing else. But I'd more than likely just use an ignitenet. >>> On Nov 28, 2017 7:48 PM, "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: >>>> But can't use the whole gig, so he's looking at AF24HD so he can... which >>>> are >>>> $6k opposed to $1k and don't have SFPs. >>>> Gig upstream - AF24 - multiple 11 GHz channels\polarities. >>>> If he gets his wish and fixes the 11 GHz 1 gigabit issue, the AF24 is now >>>> the >>>> issue. >>>> - >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>> The Brothers WISP >>>> From: "Mathew Howard" < mhoward...@gmail.com > >>>> To: "af" < af@afmug.com > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 7:27:49 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish >>>> Yeah, but if I'm understanding right, the AF24 link is already there. >>>> On Nov 28, 2017 7:10 PM, "Chris Wright" < ch...@velociter.net > wrote: >>>>> Everything works beautifully at 700’. At this distance it’s more about >>>>> cost >>>>> savings. Don’t waste your time with AF24 when a 60ghz link at 1/3 the >>>>> cost and >>>>> twice the throughput will fit the bill perfectly. >>>>> Chris Wright >>>>> Network Administrator >>>>> From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 4:59 PM >>>>> To: af >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish >>>>> I wouldn't use IgnetNet if I already had the airFibers there... if it's >>>>> only >>>>> going to be feeding an 11ghz link that's around 700ish meg, the AF24 link >>>>> will >>>>> handle that perfectly fine, and I see no reason to mess with it. >>>>> Ignitenets should work beautifully on a 700ft link, but if I only needed >>>>> 700Mbps, I'd rather have airFibers. If it gets to the point where ~700Mbps >>>>> isn't enough, then yes, I'd use IgniteNet. >>>>> On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 6:32 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: >>>>> I'd use IgniteNet over airFiber for 700 feet. >>>>> - >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>>> The Brothers WISP >>>>> From: "Steve Jones" < thaton
