Re: [AFMUG] It's time for a second SSID on the Air Routers and Air Gateways.

[joseph marsh via Af]

+1
On Dec 30, 2014 11:29 PM, "Rory Conaway via Af"  wrote:

> As much as I’d like to stay with those devices, lack of a second SSID for
> guests for example, is becoming a problem.  I had 3 people in the last 2
> weeks ask for this feature and I don’t disagree with them.  Come on guys,
> we’ve been asking for this for 5 years.  It’s time.
>
>
>
> Rory Conaway
> Triad Wireless
> 4226 S. 37th Street
> Phoenix, Az.  85040
> 602-426-0542
> r...@triadwireless.net
> www.triadwireless.net
>
>
>
> “Mediocrity finds safety in standardization. -- Frederick Crane”
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Adjustments to the AFMUG lists / Amazon

[joseph marsh via Af]

I got mine about a hour ago
On Dec 30, 2014 12:53 PM, "Josh Luthman via Af"  wrote:

> W comes before L?  Blasphemy.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Dec 30, 2014 1:49 PM, "Simon Westlake via Af"  wrote:
>
>>  I got mine literally 30 seconds ago, I think they are going out slowly.
>>
>> On 12/30/2014 12:40 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:
>>
>> Haven't seen mine as of 10 minutes ago
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Dec 30, 2014 1:28 PM, "Seth Mattinen via Af"  wrote:
>>
>>> Can you let us know when they're finished sending out so we know if ours
>>> is "lost"?
>>>
>>> ~Seth
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Simon Westlake
>> Powercode - The smart choice in ISP billing and OSS
>> powercode.com
>> P: 920-351-1010
>> E: si...@powercode.com
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik

[joseph marsh via Af]

Gateway address was wrong   charter communications fault I had a swift fox
guy help me

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik

[joseph marsh via Af]

Thanks. Everyone  I got issue fixed.
On Dec 27, 2014 11:07 AM, "Butch Evans via Af"  wrote:

> On 12/26/2014 01:59 PM, joseph marsh via Af wrote:
>
>> I have a Mikrotik on charter network and I have typed in the static ip
>> gateway and DNS. When I go to  new terminal and ping. Google DNS. I get
>> no route to host
>>
>> What am I missing. I know. Its something small and simple
>>
>>  If you had load sharing turned on, you may want to send the output of
> the following terminal commands:
> /ip route rule print
> /ip firewall mangle print
>
> --
> Butch Evans
> 702-537-0979
> Network Support and Engineering
> http://store.wispgear.net/
> http://www.butchevans.com/
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik

[joseph marsh via Af]

I'll send more screen shots tonight. Via screen capture
On Dec 26, 2014 7:51 PM, "Josh Luthman via Af"  wrote:

> Getting ARP for the gateway?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Dec 26, 2014 8:47 PM, "cstanners--- via Af"  wrote:
>
>> Please paste the screenshot... Just that part of the window please.
>>
>> Are you certain that you have the right gateway?
>> --
>> *From: * joseph marsh via Af 
>> *Sender: * "Af" 
>> *Date: *Sat, 27 Dec 2014 00:44:25 +
>> *To: *
>> *ReplyTo: * af@afmug.com
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik
>>
>> Yea i did wasn't thinking  when I done it
>>
>> I done trace route and it times out when I point it to my gateway address
>> and charter DNS server so I'm lost as hell now
>> On Dec 26, 2014 6:19 PM, "Gino Villarini via Af"  wrote:
>>
>>>  Guys, Its a season to be jolly! Lol
>>>
>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>> @gvillarini
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 26, 2014, at 8:16 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af  wrote:
>>>
>>>   Did you really just post a 5 megabyte, camera photo of a screen,
>>> rather than using a screenshot tool?
>>> On Dec 26, 2014 8:24 PM, "joseph marsh via Af"  wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Dec 26, 2014 2:12 PM, "Colin Stanners via Af"  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Screen shot?
>>>>> On Dec 26, 2014 2:11 PM, "joseph marsh via Af"  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ip-routes says everything is reachable
>>>>>> On Dec 26, 2014 2:05 PM, "Colin Stanners via Af" 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Need to go to ip routes and add a default one using your default
>>>>>>> gateway.
>>>>>>> On Dec 26, 2014 1:59 PM, "joseph marsh via Af"  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have a Mikrotik on charter network and I have typed in the static
>>>>>>>> ip gateway and DNS. When I go to  new terminal and ping. Google DNS. I 
>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>> no route to host
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What am I missing. I know. Its something small and simple
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik

[joseph marsh via Af]

Everything is saying its reachable. I have reached out to the mikrotik guy
who programmed it to help  I'm gonna try again today to fix it my self

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik

[joseph marsh via Af]

Yea i did wasn't thinking  when I done it

I done trace route and it times out when I point it to my gateway address
and charter DNS server so I'm lost as hell now
On Dec 26, 2014 6:19 PM, "Gino Villarini via Af"  wrote:

>  Guys, Its a season to be jolly! Lol
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> @gvillarini
>
>
>
> On Dec 26, 2014, at 8:16 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af  wrote:
>
>   Did you really just post a 5 megabyte, camera photo of a screen, rather
> than using a screenshot tool?
> On Dec 26, 2014 8:24 PM, "joseph marsh via Af"  wrote:
>
>> On Dec 26, 2014 2:12 PM, "Colin Stanners via Af"  wrote:
>>
>>> Screen shot?
>>> On Dec 26, 2014 2:11 PM, "joseph marsh via Af"  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ip-routes says everything is reachable
>>>> On Dec 26, 2014 2:05 PM, "Colin Stanners via Af"  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Need to go to ip routes and add a default one using your default
>>>>> gateway.
>>>>> On Dec 26, 2014 1:59 PM, "joseph marsh via Af"  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a Mikrotik on charter network and I have typed in the static
>>>>>> ip gateway and DNS. When I go to  new terminal and ping. Google DNS. I 
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> no route to host
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What am I missing. I know. Its something small and simple
>>>>>>
>>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik

[joseph marsh via Af]

I'm playing with it in my office and do it when I'm bored
On Dec 26, 2014 3:00 PM, "Colin Stanners via Af"  wrote:

> If they did some strange setting for the fail-over, you may want to reset
> the router to defaults and start from anew, it would likely be easier than
> learning router troubleshooting on-site
>
> On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 2:54 PM, joseph marsh via Af  wrote:
>>
>> This was on a att network. But swapped it out to a bigger one and I'm
>> using this one for a new site so I haven't changed the labels yet  and
>> swiftfox done the initial  config
>> On Dec 26, 2014 2:49 PM, "Colin Stanners via Af"  wrote:
>>
>>> OK,  I was wondering why it was labeled AT T1 but had a 24.x  IP common
>>> to cable modem networks.  Don't know US providers that we'll.
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik

[joseph marsh via Af]

I'll try the trace route
On Dec 26, 2014 2:19 PM, "Bill Prince via Af"  wrote:

>  Do a traceroute and see where it goes off the rails.
>
> --
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 12/26/2014 12:11 PM, joseph marsh via Af wrote:
>
> Ip-routes says everything is reachable
> On Dec 26, 2014 2:05 PM, "Colin Stanners via Af"  wrote:
>
>> Need to go to ip routes and add a default one using your default gateway.
>> On Dec 26, 2014 1:59 PM, "joseph marsh via Af"  wrote:
>>
>>> I have a Mikrotik on charter network and I have typed in the static ip
>>> gateway and DNS. When I go to  new terminal and ping. Google DNS. I get no
>>> route to host
>>>
>>> What am I missing. I know. Its something small and simple
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik

[joseph marsh via Af]

I'm not a professional on mikrotik but. I'm tring to learn on my own but
been messing with this thing since last weekend so I turn to afmug for help
On Dec 26, 2014 2:54 PM, "joseph marsh via Af"  wrote:

> This was on a att network. But swapped it out to a bigger one and I'm
> using this one for a new site so I haven't changed the labels yet  and
> swiftfox done the initial  config
> On Dec 26, 2014 2:49 PM, "Colin Stanners via Af"  wrote:
>
>> OK,  I was wondering why it was labeled AT T1 but had a 24.x  IP common
>> to cable modem networks.  Don't know US providers that we'll.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik

[joseph marsh via Af]

This was on a att network. But swapped it out to a bigger one and I'm using
this one for a new site so I haven't changed the labels yet  and swiftfox
done the initial  config
On Dec 26, 2014 2:49 PM, "Colin Stanners via Af"  wrote:

> OK,  I was wondering why it was labeled AT T1 but had a 24.x  IP common to
> cable modem networks.  Don't know US providers that we'll.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik

[joseph marsh via Af]

We have a ubee modem (cable) from charter. I can see it via static ip
locally  but not from outside if the ubee modem
On Dec 26, 2014 2:35 PM, "Simon Westlake via Af"  wrote:

>  Never mind, just labelled wrong. I agree, just do a traceroute, see where
> it dies.. you should be able to pinpoint it pretty quickly.
>
> On 12/26/2014 02:33 PM, Simon Westlake via Af wrote:
>
> Looks like your default route is using the wrong IP, should it not be
> pointing to the Charter connection?
>
> On 12/26/2014 02:24 PM, joseph marsh via Af wrote:
>
> On Dec 26, 2014 2:12 PM, "Colin Stanners via Af"  wrote:
>
>> Screen shot?
>> On Dec 26, 2014 2:11 PM, "joseph marsh via Af"  wrote:
>>
>>> Ip-routes says everything is reachable
>>> On Dec 26, 2014 2:05 PM, "Colin Stanners via Af"  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Need to go to ip routes and add a default one using your default
>>>> gateway.
>>>> On Dec 26, 2014 1:59 PM, "joseph marsh via Af"  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have a Mikrotik on charter network and I have typed in the static ip
>>>>> gateway and DNS. When I go to  new terminal and ping. Google DNS. I get no
>>>>> route to host
>>>>>
>>>>> What am I missing. I know. Its something small and simple
>>>>>
>>>>
> --
> Simon Westlake
> Powercode - The smart choice in ISP billing and OSS
> powercode.com
> P: 920-351-1010
> E: si...@powercode.com
>
>
> --
> Simon Westlake
> Powercode - The smart choice in ISP billing and OSS
> powercode.com
> P: 920-351-1010
> E: si...@powercode.com
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik

[joseph marsh via Af]

Swift fox added that  a while back and then emailed them back to see if
they could help
On Dec 26, 2014 2:30 PM, "Colin Stanners via Af"  wrote:

> I don't understand the reasons for configuration for the 2 other networks
> (load balancing/redundancy between 3?) But this seems correct for your
> current network. Try tracer out as Bill said.
> On Dec 26, 2014 2:24 PM, "joseph marsh via Af"  wrote:
>
>> On Dec 26, 2014 2:12 PM, "Colin Stanners via Af"  wrote:
>>
>>> Screen shot?
>>> On Dec 26, 2014 2:11 PM, "joseph marsh via Af"  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ip-routes says everything is reachable
>>>> On Dec 26, 2014 2:05 PM, "Colin Stanners via Af"  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Need to go to ip routes and add a default one using your default
>>>>> gateway.
>>>>> On Dec 26, 2014 1:59 PM, "joseph marsh via Af"  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a Mikrotik on charter network and I have typed in the static
>>>>>> ip gateway and DNS. When I go to  new terminal and ping. Google DNS. I 
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> no route to host
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What am I missing. I know. Its something small and simple
>>>>>>
>>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik

[joseph marsh via Af]

Ip-routes says everything is reachable
On Dec 26, 2014 2:05 PM, "Colin Stanners via Af"  wrote:

> Need to go to ip routes and add a default one using your default gateway.
> On Dec 26, 2014 1:59 PM, "joseph marsh via Af"  wrote:
>
>> I have a Mikrotik on charter network and I have typed in the static ip
>> gateway and DNS. When I go to  new terminal and ping. Google DNS. I get no
>> route to host
>>
>> What am I missing. I know. Its something small and simple
>>
>

[AFMUG] Mikrotik

[joseph marsh via Af]

I have a Mikrotik on charter network and I have typed in the static ip
gateway and DNS. When I go to  new terminal and ping. Google DNS. I get no
route to host

What am I missing. I know. Its something small and simple

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Friday Funny. Local paper makes an interesting misprint

[joseph marsh via Af]

I wonder how many times they got cussed out today so far?
On Dec 26, 2014 11:51 AM, "Jay Weekley via Af"  wrote:

> Poor kids. Yes, this is our local paper from Wednesday. Far from their
> first mistake but possibly one of the worst.
>

Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support

[joseph marsh via Af]

Server plus does to a extent. They will be doing my tech support
On Dec 24, 2014 2:51 PM, "Jay Weekley via Af"  wrote:

> Maybe ServerPlus does that.
>
> Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
>
>> Is there a service out there?  For stuff that's clearly not our problem?
>>
>> I'm trying to take a firmer stance about not spending an hour on the
>> phone walking someone through fixing their computer or router, because they
>> are too lazy to Google it or use the manufacturer's website, or haven't a
>> clue when it comes to computers.
>>
>> I give them the number for a computer shop, but often they say I can't
>> pay $100 to have someone fix my computer or router or printer or smart TV.
>> My business is at the size where I'm not big enough to make computer repair
>> a profit center, but if I keep doing this stuff for free, I'm going to have
>> to hire someone to do it, and that's not a cost I can absorb.
>>
>> Is there a place maybe with call centers in India that will do this for
>> less?  I know the telcos offer this service for a monthly fee, and I assume
>> they are outsourcing it.  Note that I'm not talking about phone support for
>> Internet problems.
>>
>> Oh, and kudos to Apple for fixing the NTP vulnerability without asking
>> permission.  I can't believe the media is portraying this in a negative
>> light.  I'm tired of people who don't keep their computers and routers and
>> other devices updated.  Do people drive their cars until the engine freezes
>> up because they are too lazy or cheap or clueless to get the oil changed?
>> I suppose some do. Maybe we need the government to come do all these things
>> for us.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Counduit pull cable

[joseph marsh via Af]

Not bad on eBay 35 bucks. For 500 ft of mule tape
On Dec 15, 2014 9:37 AM, "Bill Prince via Af"  wrote:

>  Or were rescued from trucks by concerned citizens
>
> --
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 12/15/2014 7:27 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
>
> we ended up getting our mule tape off ebay, drastically lower cost when
> you buy things that fell of trucks
>
> On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 9:11 AM, Seth Mattinen via Af 
> wrote:
>
>> On 12/15/14, 6:50 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
>>
>>> You might find cable grips in the Klein tools display in the electrical
>>> section at Home Depot, but an electrical supply house (or online) will
>>> have more choices of size and type.
>>>
>>
>>
>>  Yeah they should have a couple small ones. I've never seen mule tape
>> there though.
>>
>> ~Seth
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Counduit pull cable

[joseph marsh via Af]

I don't have the grips. And is this available at home depot or Lowes?
 On Dec 15, 2014 8:27 AM, "Chuck McCown via Af"  wrote:

>   Muletape is reusable.  It has footage markers on it.
> I like to use a light weight string with a baggie on the end.  Suck it
> through with a vacuum cleaner.
> Then pull back the muletape.  Use that for pulling the cable.
>
> Do you have the grips/socks chinese finger pull devices to grab the cable?
> Much better than a series of half hitches that get hung up on everything.
>
>
>  *From:* joseph marsh via Af 
> *Sent:* Monday, December 15, 2014 7:13 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Counduit pull cable
>
>
> What's The best for a pull string.
>
> I thought about using a1/4 inch rope. Is  this OK or not ? First time
> doing this
>

Re: [AFMUG] Counduit pull cable

[joseph marsh via Af]

We got a 167 ft fiber run for this weekend
On Dec 15, 2014 8:18 AM, "Jaime Solorza via Af"  wrote:

> Mule tape is one.  Pull string made from Nylon is other. Comes in a bucket
>
> Jaime Solorza
> On Dec 15, 2014 7:13 AM, "joseph marsh via Af"  wrote:
>
>> What's The best for a pull string.
>>
>> I thought about using a1/4 inch rope. Is  this OK or not ? First time
>> doing this
>>
>

[AFMUG] Counduit pull cable

[joseph marsh via Af]

What's The best for a pull string.

I thought about using a1/4 inch rope. Is  this OK or not ? First time doing
this

Re: [AFMUG] I'm driving around a new area and just found this

[joseph marsh via Af]

Lol
On Dec 10, 2014 6:16 PM, "Gino Villarini via Af"  wrote:

>   Nice!
>
>
>
>  Gino A. Villarini
> President
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> www.aeronetpr.com
> @aeronetpr
>
>
>
>   From: "af@afmug.com" 
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 at 8:14 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: [AFMUG] I'm driving around a new area and just found this
>
>
>
>
>  Rory Conaway
> Triad Wireless
>
>  Sent from a mobile device.  Please ignore typos.
>

Re: [AFMUG] ISP Radio Wednesday -- Yaana - Raj Puri

[joseph marsh via Af]

Is there something wrong with ispradio.com?
On Dec 2, 2014 3:58 PM, "Dennis Burgess via Af"  wrote:

> [image: http://www.ispradio.com/images/ispLogoWoodWhite.PNG]
> This week we will be talking with COE of Yaana
> Raj Puri
>
>
>
> *11am CST, 9am PST ! *
>
>
>
> Don’t forgot you can download the previous episodes to put on your media
> player and listen while in your car free of charge by going to
> www.ispradio.com   Remember to sign into the live chat to ask questions!
>
>
>
> n  *UPCOMMING SHOWS!*
>
> n  December 10th – Matt Larson on LTE-U, Harm Claim Thresholds and
> Spectrum Databases.
>
> n  December 17th – Daina Larken with NetSapians
>
> n  December 24th – No Show –Happy Holidays
>
> n  January 28th – Patrick Leary with Telrad
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dennis Burgess, Co-Host of ISP Radio!
>
> http://www.ispradio.com
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: RC Cars

[Joseph Marsh via Af]

They aren't waterproof  I used to race them 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 1, 2014, at 6:09 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:
> 
> You could get an RC airplane or helicopter, I sometimes drive by the field 
> where these guys fly:
> http://www.foxvalleyaero.com/
> 
> OK, never mind, that would require requisition forms.
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Nate Burke via Af
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 5:48 PM
> To: Animal Farm
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: RC Cars
> 
> For a long time I've wanted an RC car.  I was at the beach over the
> weekend, and saw a guy running one through the sand and jumping it
> around and it looked really fun.  I think I'm finally in a position in
> life where I can allow myself to get one.  I'm thinking I may want one
> step above one you can buy at a big-box, but I also don't plan on making
> it into a hobby.  Any pointers for a guy who just wants to run a car
> around sometimes?
> 
> Some things I think I want, unless I'm told I'm wrong.
> 
> 4wd
> Ability to cross sand/mud/shallow water (does this mean waterproof?)
> Won't break if it flips/crashes.
> 100 yard range.
> Rechargeable battery
> 
> Anything specific to look for?  Anything to stay away from?  I'm hoping
> to keep this little endeavor around $200, that way I don't have to go
> through all the requisition forms and justification analysis with the wife.
> 
> Nate 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Working with Crown Castle vs. American Tower

[Joseph Marsh via Af]

We are building our site instead of dealing with them I got a deal with a 
nearby land owner  I'm giving. Him free service 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 16, 2014, at 6:01 PM, Chuck Hogg via Af  wrote:
> 
> No.  I have not at all.  In fact, my most recent increase has us over $6600 
> for 4 towers that barely turn $7k in revenue.  I'm trying to get land leases 
> with the property owners for a new tower or in a near location right now.
> 
> Regards,
> Chuck
> 
>> On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 9:14 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af  wrote:
>> Amen to crown castle  we are doing a new site and we wanted to use crown 
>> instead of building our own site. But it's been a month and  no contact from 
>> them. So we are laying conduit next week for fiber 
>> 
>> Cc can kiss my A$$ too
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 16, 2014, at 8:07 AM, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:
>>> 
>>> CC can go suck a bag of dicks. AT is much easier to work with. Too many 
>>> stories of CC screwing people over.
>>> 
>>> Obviously better yet if you can find a regional or local tower company.
>>> 
>>> http://youtu.be/OT7xc_XqYO8
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: "Paul McCall via Af" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 12:20:15 AM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Working with Crown Castle vs. American Tower
>>> 
>>> We have 3 Crown Castle towers that we have had since 2003.  Started around 
>>> $ 500 per month for 4 sectors and 2 BHs back then.  Rent escalations plus 
>>> now having 6 sectors on it now, have brought the rent up to around $ 
>>> 1000/month.  We are exploring our other options for new towers.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Two of the ideal locations are Crown Castle sites and I called them.  My CC 
>>> rep sent me all the standard fee sheets - $ 5K and up etc. and high rents.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Has anyone got any precedence for pricing with CC where they have become 
>>> competitive to someone like American Tower and their 4WISP program?  A.T. 
>>> starts at $ 500 for 2 3ft BHs and 4 Sectors.  A premium tower, as they call 
>>> it, can have a $ 100 to $ 150 uptick, but that still seems reasonable.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Thoughts?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Paul McCall, Pres.
>>> 
>>> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>>> 
>>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>> 
>>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>> 
>>> 772-564-6800 office
>>> 
>>> 772-473-0352 cell
>>> 
>>> www.pdmnet.com
>>> 
>>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Working with Crown Castle vs. American Tower

[Joseph Marsh via Af]

Amen to crown castle  we are doing a new site and we wanted to use crown 
instead of building our own site. But it's been a month and  no contact from 
them. So we are laying conduit next week for fiber 

Cc can kiss my A$$ too

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 16, 2014, at 8:07 AM, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:
> 
> CC can go suck a bag of dicks. AT is much easier to work with. Too many 
> stories of CC screwing people over.
> 
> Obviously better yet if you can find a regional or local tower company.
> 
> http://youtu.be/OT7xc_XqYO8
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Paul McCall via Af" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 12:20:15 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Working with Crown Castle vs. American Tower
> 
> We have 3 Crown Castle towers that we have had since 2003.  Started around $ 
> 500 per month for 4 sectors and 2 BHs back then.  Rent escalations plus now 
> having 6 sectors on it now, have brought the rent up to around $ 1000/month.  
> We are exploring our other options for new towers.
>  
> Two of the ideal locations are Crown Castle sites and I called them.  My CC 
> rep sent me all the standard fee sheets - $ 5K and up etc. and high rents.
>  
> Has anyone got any precedence for pricing with CC where they have become 
> competitive to someone like American Tower and their 4WISP program?  A.T. 
> starts at $ 500 for 2 3ft BHs and 4 Sectors.  A premium tower, as they call 
> it, can have a $ 100 to $ 150 uptick, but that still seems reasonable.
>  
> Thoughts?
>  
>  
>  
> Paul McCall, Pres.
> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
> 772-564-6800 office
> 772-473-0352 cell
> www.pdmnet.com
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>  
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers

[Joseph Marsh via Af]

Where are u buying the 28 dollar routers from ?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 10, 2014, at 11:06 AM, That One Guy via Af  wrote:
> 
> Im not allowed to go to events in public
> 
>> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Josh Luthman via Af  wrote:
>> You should join them at the events.
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>> On Nov 10, 2014 11:53 AM, "That One Guy via Af"  wrote:
>>> I used to despise powercode, stuff was always breaking, but the last year 
>>> or two they have moved forward to be a pretty solid product. It eliminates 
>>> a ton of other systems, spreadsheets in particular. The boss loves the 
>>> billing side of it, I stay out of that. I believe they will do a live demo 
>>> on your network, no harm, no foul if you dont like it.
>>> 
>>> I dont like that they cant provide alot of specs on server builds and stuff 
>>> like alot of products do, I would prefer they provide a billing server 
>>> appliance thats realistic in cost and a virtual appliance you can dump on 
>>> robust hardware, but those are small potato complaints. If youre a linux 
>>> guy, then its a moot point. Their support is probably better than alot of 
>>> companies, even though I complain that they dont drop everything theyre 
>>> doing to focus directly on me, theyre actually very responsive to issues, 
>>> usually having a solution, or pathway to a solution within a day or two if 
>>> its a complex issue.
>>> 
>>> The only actual legitimate complaint I have with them is around events like 
>>> wispapalooza they shortstaff, but they gotta make that cheddar.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Josh Luthman via Af  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Don't ask Steve anything serious!!!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I'm thinking about changing  how do u like power code?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Nov 10, 2014, at 10:10 AM, That One Guy via Af  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Powercode is Static DHCP, MAC reservations from a non dynamic pool, if 
>>>>>> there is no device registered with that mac it pulls from a dynamic pool 
>>>>>> for each POP and all that traffic is redirected to the powercode web 
>>>>>> server
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af  
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> We have 2 different IP address pools. I had thought about dhcp  but I 
>>>>>>> would like to see the router incase I needed to access it for firmware 
>>>>>>> upgrades etc
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> We use swift fox for monitoring and billing 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:58 AM, That One Guy via Af  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Now that DHCP is reliable its DHCP, everything is DHCP that way we can 
>>>>>>>> move customer IP space at whim. If a customer throws in one of our 
>>>>>>>> replacement routers we either pill the MAC from the bridge table on 
>>>>>>>> the SM/AP and update it or watch the DHCP log in the BMU to either 
>>>>>>>> pull the MAC (if its their personal router) or log into the catch all 
>>>>>>>> IP theyre handed if its ours to get it and complete the set up
>>>>>>>> If powercode would set it up to where the redirect page pulled the IP 
>>>>>>>> the customer is coming from and compared it to the DHCP log, customers 
>>>>>>>> could even self provision their own devices, but they say its not 
>>>>>>>> possible, so it does require a call in to tech support to provision, 
>>>>>>>> unless they can get on the horn with their router vendor to get the 
>>>>>>>> WAN MAC, since all the boxes list the wireless or LAN MAC for 

Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers

[Joseph Marsh via Af]

I'm thinking about changing  how do u like power code?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 10, 2014, at 10:10 AM, That One Guy via Af  wrote:
> 
> Powercode is Static DHCP, MAC reservations from a non dynamic pool, if there 
> is no device registered with that mac it pulls from a dynamic pool for each 
> POP and all that traffic is redirected to the powercode web server
> 
>> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af  wrote:
>> We have 2 different IP address pools. I had thought about dhcp  but I would 
>> like to see the router incase I needed to access it for firmware upgrades etc
>> 
>> We use swift fox for monitoring and billing 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:58 AM, That One Guy via Af  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Now that DHCP is reliable its DHCP, everything is DHCP that way we can move 
>>> customer IP space at whim. If a customer throws in one of our replacement 
>>> routers we either pill the MAC from the bridge table on the SM/AP and 
>>> update it or watch the DHCP log in the BMU to either pull the MAC (if its 
>>> their personal router) or log into the catch all IP theyre handed if its 
>>> ours to get it and complete the set up
>>> If powercode would set it up to where the redirect page pulled the IP the 
>>> customer is coming from and compared it to the DHCP log, customers could 
>>> even self provision their own devices, but they say its not possible, so it 
>>> does require a call in to tech support to provision, unless they can get on 
>>> the horn with their router vendor to get the WAN MAC, since all the boxes 
>>> list the wireless or LAN MAC for some reason
>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af  wrote:
>>>> Does ur config script set a static ip or dhcp 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:40 AM, That One Guy via Af  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> thats the very reason we use the air router
>>>>> DHCP used to not be reliable through powercode so we needed a way to 
>>>>> ensure that they couldnt reset them and have no service. We just created 
>>>>> a default config with our remote access and the reset button disabled the 
>>>>> techs load in at installation time. anything specific to the customer is 
>>>>> named CHANGEME including the device name, that way they know what to 
>>>>> change and the ones that werent configured completely are easy to ID. We 
>>>>> also leave some of these with the default config file loaded into them at 
>>>>> our retail shop, that way customers can just pick one up if their 
>>>>> personal router is causing trouble or if our air router fails (which 
>>>>> suprisingly for 28 bucks, they rarely do)
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> We don't nat at sm and the tech test speed at Poe I don't allow speed 
>>>>>> tests via wireless  and we leave a 3 ft cable on lan side of ubnt Poe 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Does the air router allow u to disable reset button?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:19 AM, That One Guy via Af  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> are you NAT at the SM? it depends on whether youre bridging or NAT. If 
>>>>>>> youre briddging, like us, throwing the router in saves on support 
>>>>>>> calls. If they opt to use their own router, then all your support needs 
>>>>>>> to do is give them the manufacturers support number, also it eliminates 
>>>>>>> support on wireless issues. We throw in a 28 dolar air router, set the 
>>>>>>> ESSID with a set key that doesnt change, any issue on the wireless on 
>>>>>>> that and we tell them to contect their end device manufacturer and 
>>>>>>> provide them the ESSID and key. we dont give them a personalized key. 
>>>>>>> Ever since we started this, the number of wireless issues we have had 
>>>>>>> to support is zero. We do leave an extra patch cord and dont accept 
>>>>>>> speedtests over wireless. Most people who say everything is wireless 
>>>>>>> dont even realize their laptop has an ethernet connection on i

Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers

[Joseph Marsh via Af]

We have 2 different IP address pools. I had thought about dhcp  but I would 
like to see the router incase I needed to access it for firmware upgrades etc

We use swift fox for monitoring and billing 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:58 AM, That One Guy via Af  wrote:
> 
> Now that DHCP is reliable its DHCP, everything is DHCP that way we can move 
> customer IP space at whim. If a customer throws in one of our replacement 
> routers we either pill the MAC from the bridge table on the SM/AP and update 
> it or watch the DHCP log in the BMU to either pull the MAC (if its their 
> personal router) or log into the catch all IP theyre handed if its ours to 
> get it and complete the set up
> If powercode would set it up to where the redirect page pulled the IP the 
> customer is coming from and compared it to the DHCP log, customers could even 
> self provision their own devices, but they say its not possible, so it does 
> require a call in to tech support to provision, unless they can get on the 
> horn with their router vendor to get the WAN MAC, since all the boxes list 
> the wireless or LAN MAC for some reason
> 
>> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af  wrote:
>> Does ur config script set a static ip or dhcp 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:40 AM, That One Guy via Af  wrote:
>>> 
>>> thats the very reason we use the air router
>>> DHCP used to not be reliable through powercode so we needed a way to ensure 
>>> that they couldnt reset them and have no service. We just created a default 
>>> config with our remote access and the reset button disabled the techs load 
>>> in at installation time. anything specific to the customer is named 
>>> CHANGEME including the device name, that way they know what to change and 
>>> the ones that werent configured completely are easy to ID. We also leave 
>>> some of these with the default config file loaded into them at our retail 
>>> shop, that way customers can just pick one up if their personal router is 
>>> causing trouble or if our air router fails (which suprisingly for 28 bucks, 
>>> they rarely do)
>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af  wrote:
>>>> We don't nat at sm and the tech test speed at Poe I don't allow speed 
>>>> tests via wireless  and we leave a 3 ft cable on lan side of ubnt Poe 
>>>> 
>>>> Does the air router allow u to disable reset button?
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:19 AM, That One Guy via Af  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> are you NAT at the SM? it depends on whether youre bridging or NAT. If 
>>>>> youre briddging, like us, throwing the router in saves on support calls. 
>>>>> If they opt to use their own router, then all your support needs to do is 
>>>>> give them the manufacturers support number, also it eliminates support on 
>>>>> wireless issues. We throw in a 28 dolar air router, set the ESSID with a 
>>>>> set key that doesnt change, any issue on the wireless on that and we tell 
>>>>> them to contect their end device manufacturer and provide them the ESSID 
>>>>> and key. we dont give them a personalized key. Ever since we started 
>>>>> this, the number of wireless issues we have had to support is zero. We do 
>>>>> leave an extra patch cord and dont accept speedtests over wireless. Most 
>>>>> people who say everything is wireless dont even realize their laptop has 
>>>>> an ethernet connection on it
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> My tech is required to do a speed test on every install and. Right now 
>>>>>> We just go to the power supply and customer does the rest.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> > On Nov 9, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > FYI, I recommend leaving a spare Ethernet cable plugged into the 
>>>>>> > router.  I used to insist that people do a speedtest from a wired 
>>>>>> > computer, but it's becoming very common for people to say everything 
>>>>>> > is WiFi.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers

[Joseph Marsh via Af]

Does ur config script set a static ip or dhcp 



Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:40 AM, That One Guy via Af  wrote:
> 
> thats the very reason we use the air router
> DHCP used to not be reliable through powercode so we needed a way to ensure 
> that they couldnt reset them and have no service. We just created a default 
> config with our remote access and the reset button disabled the techs load in 
> at installation time. anything specific to the customer is named CHANGEME 
> including the device name, that way they know what to change and the ones 
> that werent configured completely are easy to ID. We also leave some of these 
> with the default config file loaded into them at our retail shop, that way 
> customers can just pick one up if their personal router is causing trouble or 
> if our air router fails (which suprisingly for 28 bucks, they rarely do)
> 
>> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af  wrote:
>> We don't nat at sm and the tech test speed at Poe I don't allow speed tests 
>> via wireless  and we leave a 3 ft cable on lan side of ubnt Poe 
>> 
>> Does the air router allow u to disable reset button?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:19 AM, That One Guy via Af  wrote:
>>> 
>>> are you NAT at the SM? it depends on whether youre bridging or NAT. If 
>>> youre briddging, like us, throwing the router in saves on support calls. If 
>>> they opt to use their own router, then all your support needs to do is give 
>>> them the manufacturers support number, also it eliminates support on 
>>> wireless issues. We throw in a 28 dolar air router, set the ESSID with a 
>>> set key that doesnt change, any issue on the wireless on that and we tell 
>>> them to contect their end device manufacturer and provide them the ESSID 
>>> and key. we dont give them a personalized key. Ever since we started this, 
>>> the number of wireless issues we have had to support is zero. We do leave 
>>> an extra patch cord and dont accept speedtests over wireless. Most people 
>>> who say everything is wireless dont even realize their laptop has an 
>>> ethernet connection on it
>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> My tech is required to do a speed test on every install and. Right now We 
>>>> just go to the power supply and customer does the rest.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> > On Nov 9, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > FYI, I recommend leaving a spare Ethernet cable plugged into the router. 
>>>> >  I used to insist that people do a speedtest from a wired computer, but 
>>>> > it's becoming very common for people to say everything is WiFi.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson via Af
>>>> > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 11:18 AM
>>>> > To: af@afmug.com
>>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers
>>>> >
>>>> > I never did, the SM has enough to control what you need to from the 
>>>> > provider side.
>>>> >
>>>> > I prefer a demarcation at the SM/ONT and let the customer be responsible 
>>>> > for their side of their network.
>>>> >
>>>> > If I had done managed router then I would have gotten double the calls 
>>>> > for everyones NAT to their Xbox and filtering etc.
>>>> >
>>>> > What this industry needs is a way for the consumer to know for 
>>>> > themselves if their provider is the network issue, or their router.
>>>> >
>>>> > I'm working on an app/site for that right now that they can use their 
>>>> > phone/device to tell them if it's their problem or the providers.
>>>> >
>>>> > -Original Message-
>>>> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Marsh via Af
>>>> > Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2014 5:48 PM
>>>> > To: af@afmug.com
>>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers
>>>> >
>>>> > Sm on the side of the house
>>>> >
>>>> > Sent from my iPhone
>>>> >
>>>> >> On Nov 8, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af  
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers

[Joseph Marsh via Af]

We don't nat at sm and the tech test speed at Poe I don't allow speed tests via 
wireless  and we leave a 3 ft cable on lan side of ubnt Poe 

Does the air router allow u to disable reset button?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:19 AM, That One Guy via Af  wrote:
> 
> are you NAT at the SM? it depends on whether youre bridging or NAT. If youre 
> briddging, like us, throwing the router in saves on support calls. If they 
> opt to use their own router, then all your support needs to do is give them 
> the manufacturers support number, also it eliminates support on wireless 
> issues. We throw in a 28 dolar air router, set the ESSID with a set key that 
> doesnt change, any issue on the wireless on that and we tell them to contect 
> their end device manufacturer and provide them the ESSID and key. we dont 
> give them a personalized key. Ever since we started this, the number of 
> wireless issues we have had to support is zero. We do leave an extra patch 
> cord and dont accept speedtests over wireless. Most people who say everything 
> is wireless dont even realize their laptop has an ethernet connection on it
> 
>> On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af  wrote:
>> My tech is required to do a speed test on every install and. Right now We 
>> just go to the power supply and customer does the rest.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Nov 9, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:
>> >
>> > FYI, I recommend leaving a spare Ethernet cable plugged into the router.  
>> > I used to insist that people do a speedtest from a wired computer, but 
>> > it's becoming very common for people to say everything is WiFi.
>> >
>> >
>> > -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson via Af
>> > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 11:18 AM
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers
>> >
>> > I never did, the SM has enough to control what you need to from the 
>> > provider side.
>> >
>> > I prefer a demarcation at the SM/ONT and let the customer be responsible 
>> > for their side of their network.
>> >
>> > If I had done managed router then I would have gotten double the calls for 
>> > everyones NAT to their Xbox and filtering etc.
>> >
>> > What this industry needs is a way for the consumer to know for themselves 
>> > if their provider is the network issue, or their router.
>> >
>> > I'm working on an app/site for that right now that they can use their 
>> > phone/device to tell them if it's their problem or the providers.
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Marsh via Af
>> > Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2014 5:48 PM
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers
>> >
>> > Sm on the side of the house
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> >> On Nov 8, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Do you already have a CPE/ONT device at their house/building?
>> >>
>> >> -Original Message-
>> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Marsh via Af
>> >> Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2014 5:09 PM
>> >> To: af@afmug.com
>> >> Subject: [AFMUG] Customer routers
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Doing a new area should I put a managed router at every customer house or 
>> >> business or just let them do their own ?
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the 
> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't 
> get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a 
> hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers

[Joseph Marsh via Af]

My tech is required to do a speed test on every install and. Right now We just 
go to the power supply and customer does the rest.




Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 9, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:
> 
> FYI, I recommend leaving a spare Ethernet cable plugged into the router.  I 
> used to insist that people do a speedtest from a wired computer, but it's 
> becoming very common for people to say everything is WiFi.
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson via Af
> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 11:18 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers
> 
> I never did, the SM has enough to control what you need to from the provider 
> side.
> 
> I prefer a demarcation at the SM/ONT and let the customer be responsible for 
> their side of their network.
> 
> If I had done managed router then I would have gotten double the calls for 
> everyones NAT to their Xbox and filtering etc.
> 
> What this industry needs is a way for the consumer to know for themselves if 
> their provider is the network issue, or their router.
> 
> I'm working on an app/site for that right now that they can use their 
> phone/device to tell them if it's their problem or the providers.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Marsh via Af
> Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2014 5:48 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers
> 
> Sm on the side of the house
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 8, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af  wrote:
>> 
>> Do you already have a CPE/ONT device at their house/building?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Marsh via Af
>> Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2014 5:09 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Customer routers
>> 
>> 
>> Doing a new area should I put a managed router at every customer house or 
>> business or just let them do their own ?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers

[Joseph Marsh via Af]

Sm on the side of the house 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 8, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af  wrote:
> 
> Do you already have a CPE/ONT device at their house/building?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Marsh via Af
> Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2014 5:09 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Customer routers
> 
> 
> Doing a new area should I put a managed router at every customer house or 
> business or just let them do their own ?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone

[AFMUG] Customer routers

[Joseph Marsh via Af]

Doing a new area should I put a managed router at every customer house or 
business or just let them do their own ?

Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] Tornadoes

[Joseph Marsh via Af]

That stinks glen we are okay so far in north alabama. Lots of wind here 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 13, 2014, at 5:01 PM, Glen Waldrop via Af  wrote:
> 
> I lost a tower in the first wave down here in Alabama.
> 
> Straight line wind took out a tower, tore the roof off a business in town. 
> Storm tore through from the south.
>  
> Still have several hours to go, whole other line of storms coming in from the 
> west.
>  
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Jason McKemie via Af
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 4:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tornadoes
> 
> No kidding, we've been under a tornado watch in Springfield for a couple 
> hours now. 
> 
>> On Monday, October 13, 2014, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af 
>>  wrote:
>> All of you guys are out in Vegas and we have this crap to deal with back 
>> here. Nothing bad up this way yet, but Southern IL has a few tornado 
>> warnings already. Hopefully this isn't going to be a repeat of Oct/Nov last 
>> year.

Re: [AFMUG] Old Canopy Gear

[Joseph Marsh via Af]

If any of it is useable. I may be interested in it  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 13, 2014, at 6:55 AM, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:
> 
> If there's any interest in it, I'll take the time to inventory it and 
> possibly even turn it on for quick testing\defaulting. If no one wants this 
> old stuff...  to recycling it goes.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> From: "Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af" 
> To: "af" 
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 5:49:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Old Canopy Gear
> 
> I know we look for used gear at the WISP as we need spares, although at this 
> point I think subscriber units aren't worth a lot.
> 
> If they were 5.7 or 2.4 or bh radios I'd guess they would be worth more.
> 
>> On Oct 12, 2014 9:57 AM, "Mike Hammett via Af"  wrote:
>> Is there any value to old SMs, APs or Cyclones? This would all be 5 GHz (I 
>> think predominately 5.2 GHz) PMP1xx gear.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
> 

Re: [AFMUG] PS4 troubles

[Joseph Marsh via Af]

I would had told the xbox rep to kiss my a&&

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2014, at 10:13 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:
> 
> I once had exactly that experience with one specific Xbox Live game.  It 
> didn't help that customer's son added me to a conference with a Microsoft 
> Xbox support rep who kept going on and on about how he sees this all the time 
> and the reason is the ISP sucks.
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Patrick Wheeland via Af
> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:20 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PS4 troubles
> 
> Is the public IP being assigned to their radio which is then performing NAT
> or are you putting the public IP on their router?  It sounds like you're
> assigning it to the radio.  We often times have trouble with this when it
> comes to certain games and have to bridge the radio and assign the public
> to their router.  Once that's done, the problem goes away.
> 
> -Patrick
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 8:41 PM, Jerry Head via Af  wrote:
>> 
>> So, a customer's son calls me tonight and asks "did you change anything on
>> Monday?"
>> "No"
>> He then tells me that he has not been able to play any PS4 games online
>> since Monday; all other internet services are working, Netflix,Hulu, email,
>> web browsing etc.
>> We have had some issues in the past with game consoles not liking out NAT
>> (double, or "strict" they call it)
>> In these cases we typically rent a public static IP placed on their CPE
>> with their home router in the DMZ.
>> This has always solved the issue beforedid not work tonight apparently.
>> Does anyone have any suggestions on what may be going on here?
>> 
>> Thanks!
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] i need....people finder! AGE lookup by street?

[Joseph Marsh via Af]

Try switchboard.com

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2014, at 9:10 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> This used to be out there somewhere.  I could put in a street name under 
> "reverse lookup" or "address lookup" and i'd get names of everyone on a 
> street - as well as age.
> 
> Looked about 15 minutes last night, couldn't find it.  Really need it 
> againsomething like intellus, or whitepages.com, or something like 
> that
> 
> anyone?  anyone? :)
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Charter installation liabilities

[Joseph Marsh via Af]

Does in house do your installs for charter

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> On Sep 16, 2014, at 4:05 PM, Jay Weekley via Af  wrote:
> 
> One of our Charter business accounts that we resell through our FISPA 
> partnership called to say that the piece of their awning that Charter mounted 
> to is pulling off and is in danger of falling to their sidewalk. I inspected 
> the problem and can't tell if it's related to the installation or if that 
> piece of the awning was about to come off anyway and Charter's cable was just 
> there. My question is, as a reseller, do we hold some liability for Charter 
> workmanship since we actually bill them as a Cyber Broadband customer.