Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[Nate Burke via Af]

How much did that season pass cost, and how does it work?  1 view per 
movie?  Do you get popcorn as part of it?


Or does the 'Season Pass' = 'My kid works there and lets me in the back 
door and I sit in the projection booth'


On 12/31/2014 10:55 PM, Tushar Patel via Af wrote:
I had always wondered about you going to movie almost every week. Now 
it make more sense.



Tushar


On Dec 31, 2014, at 8:35 PM, Chuck McCown via Af > wrote:



Wild
Meh ++
OK, but I  have a season pass at the theater.  I would not recommend 
paying full fare.

Re: [AFMUG] Simple Alarm Panel

[Nate Burke via Af]

Depending on how many contacts you need, the APC boards work well. like 
the AP9619.  You can get a single chassis for it that you just power.  
It has 1 set of contact closures, and will send an email when it trips.



On 12/30/2014 9:18 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
I was asking a similar question a week or two ago. There are some 
small developer type of boards in the $40 range.
One could do it by just looping back an ethernet port if you had some 
way to send traps when that port changed state.


-Original Message- From: Matt via Af
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 6:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Simple Alarm Panel

Looking for an economical device with contact closure inputs that will
send email and text alerts using a provided Internet connection. Say
a door is opened at a tower site I want an email or text message or
both.  Anyone know of anything?  Thinking of using something like an
Arduino but hate to reinvent the wheel. 

Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm Hotel info - UPDATE

[Nate Burke via Af]

As long as they open up the back gate at the Fairpark it's 1 TRAX stop, 
or .8 miles from the Ramada.



On 12/29/2014 5:40 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists via Af wrote:

Shuttle this year or should we rent a van again?  ;-)

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com <mailto:jbroadw...@converge-tech.com>

On Dec 29, 2014, at 6:34 PM, Traci via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:


They are changing from the Shilo to the Holiday Inn. We have had 
multiple people tell us that when they call to reserve they are told 
that the hotel will not be open until mid-February. The hotel manager 
has assured us many time that is not the case. But if people can't 
call and reserve then we have a problem. If you can get through to 
someone there who will take your reservation then great, but we 
figured we had better have an alternative lined up.


On 12/29/2014 4:28 PM, Nate Burke via Af wrote:
I see you've taken the shilo/holiday inn completely off the afmug 
page now.  Was there some problem with it, or were they full?



On 12/29/2014 12:44 PM, Traci via Af wrote:
We have secured another hotel for AF attendees. Years ago we used 
this hotel, since it has been completely renovated. The Ramada Inn 
is just West of the Fairpark and is a free Trax ride to the show. 
It is also on the Airport Trax line, so you can go from the airport 
directly to the hotel. $80 per night is the rate and includes a 
continental breakfast and free internet. Of course you can stay 
anywhere you wish, there are many nice hotels in downtown Salt Lake 
City. This is just an option.


Ramada Inn
1659 West North Temple
801-533-9000

We will update the website today with this information as well.
Thanks - see you in a few weeks!
Traci

Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm Hotel info - UPDATE

[Nate Burke via Af]

That makes sense.  I was able to reserve at the Shilo without any 
problems, but may change my reservation now.


Any idea what the realistic internet situation is at the Ramada?  I 
remember years ago it crashed and burned, but I think they only had 1 or 
2 AP's  for the whole place then.



On 12/29/2014 5:34 PM, Traci via Af wrote:
They are changing from the Shilo to the Holiday Inn. We have had 
multiple people tell us that when they call to reserve they are told 
that the hotel will not be open until mid-February. The hotel manager 
has assured us many time that is not the case. But if people can't 
call and reserve then we have a problem. If you can get through to 
someone there who will take your reservation then great, but we 
figured we had better have an alternative lined up.


On 12/29/2014 4:28 PM, Nate Burke via Af wrote:
I see you've taken the shilo/holiday inn completely off the afmug 
page now.  Was there some problem with it, or were they full?



On 12/29/2014 12:44 PM, Traci via Af wrote:
We have secured another hotel for AF attendees. Years ago we used 
this hotel, since it has been completely renovated. The Ramada Inn 
is just West of the Fairpark and is a free Trax ride to the show. It 
is also on the Airport Trax line, so you can go from the airport 
directly to the hotel. $80 per night is the rate and includes a 
continental breakfast and free internet. Of course you can stay 
anywhere you wish, there are many nice hotels in downtown Salt Lake 
City. This is just an option.


Ramada Inn
1659 West North Temple
801-533-9000

We will update the website today with this information as well.
Thanks - see you in a few weeks!
Traci

Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm Hotel info - UPDATE

[Nate Burke via Af]

I see you've taken the shilo/holiday inn completely off the afmug page 
now.  Was there some problem with it, or were they full?



On 12/29/2014 12:44 PM, Traci via Af wrote:
We have secured another hotel for AF attendees. Years ago we used this 
hotel, since it has been completely renovated. The Ramada Inn is just 
West of the Fairpark and is a free Trax ride to the show. It is also 
on the Airport Trax line, so you can go from the airport directly to 
the hotel. $80 per night is the rate and includes a continental 
breakfast and free internet. Of course you can stay anywhere you wish, 
there are many nice hotels in downtown Salt Lake City. This is just an 
option.


Ramada Inn
1659 West North Temple
801-533-9000

We will update the website today with this information as well.
Thanks - see you in a few weeks!
Traci

Re: [AFMUG] Someone automated their Speed test

[Nate Burke via Af]

I guess what I should do is set them up so that their IP Address is 
queued to a random speed each time they pull the files.  Or would that 
be rude?



On 12/26/2014 4:28 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:
It's good to know there are still rude people out there.  I was 
beginning to worry.


Thanks for the heads up!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 5:27 PM, Nate Burke via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:


Been trying to track down a 20 second 400mb spike in outbound
traffic that has been happening every 10 minutes all day. Finally
tracked it down to my Speedtest.net server.  Someone automated
pulling the test files via HTTP.  It shows up in my server logs,
but not in the speedtest.net <http://speedtest.net> reports.

They simultaneously pull 8 copies of all 10 test .jpg files.

I've blocked their IP Address, automating it like that just seems
a little rude.

Just wanted to give anyone else running a speedtest.net
<http://speedtest.net> server a heads up.

Nate

[AFMUG] Someone automated their Speed test

[Nate Burke via Af]

Been trying to track down a 20 second 400mb spike in outbound traffic 
that has been happening every 10 minutes all day.  Finally tracked it 
down to my Speedtest.net server.  Someone automated pulling the test 
files via HTTP.  It shows up in my server logs, but not in the 
speedtest.net reports.


They simultaneously pull 8 copies of all 10 test .jpg files.

I've blocked their IP Address, automating it like that just seems a 
little rude.


Just wanted to give anyone else running a speedtest.net server a heads up.

Nate

Re: [AFMUG] OT? Work-as-life

[Nate Burke via Af]

Can you go on a vacation and Enjoy it?  Or more specifically, go on a 
vacation and do nothing?  I can handle sitting on a beach for all of 
about 15 minutes, then I'm ready to go do something, Anything.  I think 
that lends itself to personality.  In my case, it's 'I'm paying how much 
per day for this cruise/hotel? By Golly I'm going to get as much as I 
can out of it, I can sit around at home'



On 12/26/2014 3:19 PM, Colin Stanners via Af wrote:
Less than an hour ago I went on a rare FB visit and, seeing what 
others were doing, posted a thought:


"Today I will not be doing any work, paid or volunteer projects, other 
than house cleaning.  I don't know this feeling."


Now it seems that may have been a lie as I'm helping troubleshoot 
router issues a country away and sorting a big Monoprice order of A/V 
gear I received for a client.


It seems a number of the more involved people on this list live in the 
same manner: their job/projects are their life... I have also lived 
and struggled with roommates who spent entire months doing nothing.


Is that difference in people based more on personality or the 
environment? Does it get easier or more difficult as you get older? 
(from physical AF I noticed many here were in their 40s-50s)

Re: [AFMUG] Playstation, Xbox Live networks reported down?

[Nate Burke via Af]

Why sell you the book when they can just rent it to you?  Seems to make 
sense from a business perspective.


I'm really interested in all the software that cars have now.  How long 
are they expected to update the software?  In 20 years, if there's a 
software bug that shuts down and bricks your car in the middle of the 
interstate, who's fault is it?  The 20 year old code?  Or should you pay 
a monthly access fee for the right to drive your car and getting 
software updates.


On 12/25/2014 4:50 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
Long ago, people had dumb terminals that were useless without the 
mainframe, while a centralized organization decided what software you 
could run, and snooped on your data.


Luckily the PC was invented to free us from the tyranny of IT and the 
mainframe.


The IT people tried to regain their control over us with "thin 
clients", but we didn't fall for that trick.


Now everything old is new again, and we have "the cloud" and "devices" 
and "SaaS" which basically means renting software.  And if the cloud 
goes down, the devices are bricks.  Even game consoles, even school 
textbooks, even Belkin routers.


Can you imagine a book publisher going out of business, and the books 
on your shelves suddenly have blank pages?  Pontiac goes out of 
business, and your Firebird stops running?



-Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen via Af
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 4:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Playstation, Xbox Live networks reported down?

On 12/25/14 11:30 AM, Mathew Howard via Af wrote:
Xbox? is that just because the game is stupidly made, or is it 
everything?



That's how it all works now. Things call home to authorize you're
allowed to use it.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support

[Nate Burke via Af]

Are they threatening to leave if you don't help them?  If not, can you 
just say 'sorry, not our problem' and leave it at that?  You've told 
them how to fix the problem, 'call the local computer guy'  If they're 
not willing to do that, then its equivalent of doing a cross country 
road trip on a spare tire.  When they wreck, is it the interstates fault?


Although having said that, I was at the tire shop last week, and there 
was a guy there with 300k miles on his tires, they were all bald, but 
one was showing the strength members.  He was only willing to spend $50, 
and wanted only that 1 tire replaced.  They didn't have a tire that 
cheap (I think his total had come to $65), and he ended up leaving.  I 
guess it makes sense to some people





On 12/24/2014 2:34 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

That doesn't quite look like the answer.

Maybe one approach is to push these people to call the manufacturer.  
I see that Linksys, Netgear, Belkin, DLink all have paid support after 
30 days. Dell has paid support.  Apple has Applecare.  HP has 
SmartFriend which seems to cover a wide variety of problems and non HP 
computers, maybe that's where I should send them:


https://h30617.www3.hp.com/HP/subscription-services/index.asp


-Original Message- From: Tyler Treat via Af
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 1:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support

Is securitycoverage.com still relevant?   DTNSpeednet used to push it.

___
Mangled by my iPhone.
___

Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
___



On Dec 24, 2014, at 1:22 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:

Is there a service out there?  For stuff that's clearly not our problem?

I'm trying to take a firmer stance about not spending an hour on the 
phone walking someone through fixing their computer or router, 
because they are too lazy to Google it or use the manufacturer's 
website, or haven't a clue when it comes to computers.


I give them the number for a computer shop, but often they say I 
can't pay $100 to have someone fix my computer or router or printer 
or smart TV.  My business is at the size where I'm not big enough to 
make computer repair a profit center, but if I keep doing this stuff 
for free, I'm going to have to hire someone to do it, and that's not 
a cost I can absorb.


Is there a place maybe with call centers in India that will do this 
for less?  I know the telcos offer this service for a monthly fee, 
and I assume they are outsourcing it.  Note that I'm not talking 
about phone support for Internet problems.


Oh, and kudos to Apple for fixing the NTP vulnerability without 
asking permission.  I can't believe the media is portraying this in a 
negative light.  I'm tired of people who don't keep their computers 
and routers and other devices updated.  Do people drive their cars 
until the engine freezes up because they are too lazy or cheap or 
clueless to get the oil changed?  I suppose some do.  Maybe we need 
the government to come do all these things for us.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack

[Nate Burke via Af]

It's not such a crazy idea anymore
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-30559169

Sony Pictures says it is looking at different ways to release The 
Interview after scrapping its opening following a cyber-attack blamed on 
North Korea.


"Without theatres, we could not release it in the theatres on Christmas 
Day. We had no choice," the statement added.


"It is still our hope that anyone who wants to see this movie will get 
the opportunity to do so."


See, New distribution without theater owners, and they can't get upset.

On 12/19/2014 6:45 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
Wait, Rodman is a Mormon?  I thought he was fined $50K for insulting 
Mormons back in the day.
I was kind of hoping he would stay over in N. Korea with his buddy Un, 
the only person on the planet who thinks of him as a basketball 
player, not a washed up buffoon.  But N. Korea is stuck in 1950, so 
the Worm must seem like a basketball star from 45 years in the 
future.  I still can�EUR^(TM)t believe that idiot was on the same team 
with MJ.

*From:* Chuck McCown via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent:* Friday, December 19, 2014 6:23 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack
Depends on the Mormon, I prefer peyote, 3D HiFi visions, ping time to 
heaven is in the nanoseconds...

**
**
*From:* Jason Petrillo via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent:* Friday, December 19, 2014 5:08 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack

Chuck,

  I didn�EUR^(TM)t think Mormons drank�EUR�

J

Jason

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via Af
*Sent:* Friday, December 19, 2014 3:44 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack

I heard that Rev Al and Dennis Rodman shot a porno flick with Kim Jong 
Un and then he got wet feet during post production and sent Dennis and 
Rev Al into Sony HQ to delete the copy.  While the worm was attempting 
to guess the Sony root password (123456) they got drunk and 
ACCIDENTALLY shared some files with the rest of  the world.  They are 
sorry and Kim Jong is not returning their calls anymore.   So it is a 
big mistake, nothing to see here.  Please move along.


*From:*That One Guy via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>

*Sent:*Friday, December 19, 2014 11:38 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack

The two big problems with the tinfoil theories like that and the ones 
I come up with as well are the domestic terrorism issue, that wont go 
away, somebody will end up dead. The other is Al Sharpton, nobody, for 
any reason under the sun would open that can.


On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Nate Burke via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:


Ok, putting on my Conspiracy theory hat now that the FBI just
announced that NK is behind the attack, since there's been no
collusion between the gov't and the media industry before. 
What if Sony is developing a new Distribution system to bypass

theaters with new releases.  What better way to get it started
than to have to use it in a way that does not anger theater
owners.  'Oh, we have to distribute the movie this way, because
someone threatened you if we show it at your movie theater'  And
then, if it completely fails, they can point their finger to North
Korea who 'Forced them to have to do it this way'  They get to try
something new without having ANYONE upset with them.  Oh, except
maybe Seth Rogan.

Were there any recent Sony Internships that touted 'International
travel' as part of the perks?

On 12/17/2014 8:39 PM, Mathew Howard via Af wrote:

True... it's not really surprising they pulled it, nobody is
going to want to take on that sort of liability.



*From:*Af [af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>]
on behalf of That One Guy via Af [af@afmug.com
<mailto:af@afmug.com>]
*Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:34 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack

If hackers are involved to the degree they claim, which I
doubt, the mystery of N Koreas involvment (they do have the
money to pay for hired hackers) has emboldened them to act
like warriors.

Sony already has 2 lawsuits going, for not protecting employee
data, imagine if something did happen at a theater, even a
random lunatic with a 9mm, thats alot of liability.

A "leak" of the movie would be great, they can make their
money on DMCA suits

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 8:25 PM, Mathew Howard via Af

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack

[Nate Burke via Af]

Ok, putting on my Conspiracy theory hat now that the FBI just announced 
that NK is behind the attack, since there's been no collusion between 
the gov't and the media industry before.  What if Sony is developing 
a new Distribution system to bypass theaters with new releases.  What 
better way to get it started than to have to use it in a way that does 
not anger theater owners.  'Oh, we have to distribute the movie this 
way, because someone threatened you if we show it at your movie 
theater'  And then, if it completely fails, they can point their finger 
to North Korea who 'Forced them to have to do it this way'  They get to 
try something new without having ANYONE upset with them.  Oh, except 
maybe Seth Rogan.


Were there any recent Sony Internships that touted 'International 
travel' as part of the perks?



On 12/17/2014 8:39 PM, Mathew Howard via Af wrote:
True... it's not really surprising they pulled it, nobody is going to 
want to take on that sort of liability.



*From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of That One Guy via Af 
[af@afmug.com]

*Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:34 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack

If hackers are involved to the degree they claim, which I doubt, the 
mystery of N Koreas involvment (they do have the money to pay for 
hired hackers) has emboldened them to act like warriors.
Sony already has 2 lawsuits going, for not protecting employee data, 
imagine if something did happen at a theater, even a random lunatic 
with a 9mm, thats alot of liability.


A "leak" of the movie would be great, they can make their money on 
DMCA suits



On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 8:25 PM, Mathew Howard via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:


It seems a little odd that a bunch of hackers would even threaten
that... I would think a more hacker-ish threat would be more credible.


*From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] on
behalf of Jason McKemie via Af [af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>]
*Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:19 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack

How much of a physical violence threat are a bunch of hackers
though? Not the most threatening demographic from that standpoint...

On Wednesday, December 17, 2014, Tushar Patel via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

I was thinking on same line but I am sure they must have got
some credible threat to act like this.

Tushar


On Dec 17, 2014, at 7:28 PM, Jason McKemie via Af
http://UrlBlockedError.aspx>> wrote:


On a side note, I can't believe movie theaters as well as
Sony capitulated to these dumbasses in regards to "The
Interview".  Isn't that tantamount to negotiating with a
terrorist?

On Wednesday, December 17, 2014, Nate Burke via Af
http://UrlBlockedError.aspx>> wrote:

I've only been following loosely with what I hear on the
radio, but it sound like there was a lot of data stolen
(multiple gig's from the sound of it). The Last update I
heard was that the hack originated from a hotel Wifi
connection in china somewhere.  How were they able to
transfer that much data in a short enough time that it
wasn't discovered and stopped?  Did the hotel have a
blazing fast network?  Something with getting that amount
of data in such a short time dosen't seem to add up.




--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that 
the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if 
you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all 
means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack

[Nate Burke via Af]

That's what I was thinking.  When was the last time you were on a Hotel 
WIFI stable enough to transfer that kind of data?



On 12/17/2014 3:33 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
The number of movies alone has to be huge in data size, even if they 
were stored in some proprietary compressed format its got to be way 
more than a handful of GB. Its doubtful Sony will elaborate on the 
exact number and its certain the "hackers" will exaggerate the number.


Truth be told, it was me with my mad hAcK SkLZ that did it.

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Josh Luthman via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:


Call it 5 gigs and you left your laptop on overnight, wouldn't be
that hard would it?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Nate Burke via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

I've only been following loosely with what I hear on the
radio, but it sound like there was a lot of data stolen
(multiple gig's from the sound of it).  The Last update I
heard was that the hack originated from a hotel Wifi
connection in china somewhere. How were they able to transfer
that much data in a short enough time that it wasn't
discovered and stopped?  Did the hotel have a blazing fast
network?  Something with getting that amount of data in such a
short time dosen't seem to add up.




--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that 
the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if 
you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all 
means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

[AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack

[Nate Burke via Af]

I've only been following loosely with what I hear on the radio, but it 
sound like there was a lot of data stolen (multiple gig's from the sound 
of it).  The Last update I heard was that the hack originated from a 
hotel Wifi connection in china somewhere.  How were they able to 
transfer that much data in a short enough time that it wasn't discovered 
and stopped?  Did the hotel have a blazing fast network?  Something with 
getting that amount of data in such a short time dosen't seem to add up.

Re: [AFMUG] I'm driving around a new area and just found this

[Nate Burke via Af]

What is that URL on the back window?  Is it like a come dressed up to a 
birthday party type thing?  Or just hardcore fans?



On 12/10/2014 6:17 PM, joseph marsh via Af wrote:


Lol

On Dec 10, 2014 6:16 PM, "Gino Villarini via Af" > wrote:


Nice!



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com 
@aeronetpr



From: "af@afmug.com " mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com " mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 at 8:14 PM
To: "af@afmug.com " mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] I'm driving around a new area and just found this




Rory Conaway
Triad Wireless

Sent from a mobile device.  Please ignore typos.

Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming 4K now.

[Nate Burke via Af]

I've always thought that all this hype of digital encryption and copy 
protection was a little lacking.  Ultimately it's still an analog medium 
(you viewing the picture) so it could always be 'copied' at that level.  
Interpret the signal passed to the actual LCD Panel, "Pixel 1342x975 
displaying color E0 at timestamp 58:44:13.221"  Maybe I'm naive, but 
it doesn't seem like it should be that hard.


On 12/9/2014 10:18 PM, Jason McKemie via Af wrote:
I'd think if someone could figure out a way to get the movies from 
RAM, they could also figure out a way to capture them from a stream.


On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Travis Johnson via Af > wrote:


Because then people could "save" the movies in RAM, and someone
would figure out a way to be able to download them and put them on
the Internet for free.

It's a licensing issue... that's why "streaming" is OK.

Travis

On 12/9/2014 7:00 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:

That 187MB translates to only about 11.25 GB per hour.  Why not
stick in a 32GB memory and be done?  That would be almost 3 hours
of buffer.

--
bp


On 12/9/2014 4:50 PM, Travis Johnson via Af wrote:

It's really too bad that the devices that support all these
streaming services can't have a larger buffer. I'm sure it's
part of their licensing deals, but if they could buffer 60
seconds of stream (at any quality), they would have much fewer
support calls for streaming issues, etc.

Using Netflix's 25Mbps for 4k, that works out to 187.5MB of
storage space. At current RAM prices, you can buy a 256MB module
for $15 full retail... so places like Samsung can probably buy
them in quantity for less than $2. Seems like it would be worth
it to pay an extra $10 for a TV/DVD/PS4/Wii-U device that could
handle 60 seconds of video.

Travis

On 12/9/2014 5:34 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af wrote:


That’s pretty cool.

You can do 4k direct from Youtube.

Several of the ones I’ve tested are sustained around 20-30Mbps.

But on my network it tends to burst to 90Mbps then sit around
for a while, then burst back to 90Mbps.

I think the 4k will require a lot of optimizations before it
works on the built in TV’s.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jerry
Richardson via Af
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 09, 2014 5:12 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth.
Amazon streaming 4K now.

Lovely

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ryan
Ghering via Af
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 09, 2014 3:38 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon
streaming 4K now.

http://www.cnet.com/news/amazon-starts-4k-uhd-streams/

-- 


Ryan Ghering
Network Operations - Plains.Net
Office: 970-848-0475  - Cell: 970-630-1879

Re: [AFMUG] Local FTP/HTTP Server

[Nate Burke via Af]

I'd like to do TFTP, but I'm working with some Grandstream phones, and 
all their documentation is centered around http config.  There is a 
little footnote that TFTP should work too, but there is no documentation 
on it.  I've spent a couple hours trying to get the TFTP to work without 
success.  We'll see if they respond with anything insightful to a 
ticket.  Just throwing the TFTP Files on my mikrotik would be the 
optimum solution.



On 12/9/2014 1:16 PM, Shayne Lebrun via Af wrote:

Hmmm, yes, you specified HTTP, and my brain filled in 'or FTP, or TFTP.'

That being the case, possibly a small Synology or QNAP NAS device.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 2:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Local FTP/HTTP Server

I thought about that, but unless I'm missing something, you can't do HTTP
from a mikrotik unless you run Metarouter with another image, unless the
hotspot is running.


On 12/9/2014 12:48 PM, Shayne Lebrun via Af wrote:

A mikrotik with a memory card would probably do.  You might even
already have one laying around.

A 433AH, with a microSD card would likely do just fine, and will be
awfully easy on the electric bill.  And will run forever until the SD
card gives out, so long as you're not storing it in a furnace.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 12:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Local FTP/HTTP Server

Even a 1st gen NUC is probably overkill.  Does it really have to be small?
Seems like an opportunity to re-purpose an old desktop PC that would
otherwise be e-waste, as long as the BIOS lets you set it to power up
automatically after a power failure.


-----Original Message-
From: Nate Burke via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 11:05 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] Local FTP/HTTP Server

I'm looking for a small HTTP Server that I can place on site at a
location for VoIP Phones to get their config/software upgrades from.
Would a Raspberry PI be the ideal device for this, or something else?

I just need to be able to FTP the Configuration files to the unit, and
have it serve out the files via HTTP to the phones.  I could host them
remotely, but for firmware updates, I don't want all 30 handsets
trying to download the 40mb file over their internet link.

Re: [AFMUG] Local FTP/HTTP Server

[Nate Burke via Af]

I thought about that, but unless I'm missing something, you can't do 
HTTP from a mikrotik unless you run Metarouter with another image, 
unless the hotspot is running.



On 12/9/2014 12:48 PM, Shayne Lebrun via Af wrote:

A mikrotik with a memory card would probably do.  You might even already
have one laying around.

A 433AH, with a microSD card would likely do just fine, and will be awfully
easy on the electric bill.  And will run forever until the SD card gives
out, so long as you're not storing it in a furnace.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 12:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Local FTP/HTTP Server

Even a 1st gen NUC is probably overkill.  Does it really have to be small?
Seems like an opportunity to re-purpose an old desktop PC that would
otherwise be e-waste, as long as the BIOS lets you set it to power up
automatically after a power failure.


-Original Message-----
From: Nate Burke via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 11:05 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] Local FTP/HTTP Server

I'm looking for a small HTTP Server that I can place on site at a location
for VoIP Phones to get their config/software upgrades from.
Would a Raspberry PI be the ideal device for this, or something else?

I just need to be able to FTP the Configuration files to the unit, and have
it serve out the files via HTTP to the phones.  I could host them remotely,
but for firmware updates, I don't want all 30 handsets trying to download
the 40mb file over their internet link.

[AFMUG] Local FTP/HTTP Server

[Nate Burke via Af]

I'm looking for a small HTTP Server that I can place on site at a 
location for VoIP Phones to get their config/software upgrades from.  
Would a Raspberry PI be the ideal device for this, or something else?


I just need to be able to FTP the Configuration files to the unit, and 
have it serve out the files via HTTP to the phones.  I could host them 
remotely, but for firmware updates, I don't want all 30 handsets trying 
to download the 40mb file over their internet link.

[AFMUG] AF Lodging

[Nate Burke via Af]

On the AF website, it says to use the Hoiday-inn-express (Formerly 
Shilo) If I'm reading correctly, they are making the transition from 
Shilo to Holiday Inn on Feb1.  Going through the website says no room 
available until Feb14.  I've never had a problem with the Shilo, it had 
a shower and a bed, that's really all I need, but with the transition, 
will the hotel be in the middle of a remodel, or is that already 
underway?  I do like the fact that they're going to a buffet breakfast.  
There was always the rush on the little restaurant in the mornings.


It also looks like they're going to charge you for parking a car now too.

Just asking the question, anyone had other experience with other hotels 
downtown?  Really all I care about is Wifi, free Breakfast (buffet 
preferable) and parking.


Is there another big event going on that week?   A couple other hotels 
downtown looked to be full that week already.

Re: [AFMUG] RB2011 gig ports + ePMP

[Nate Burke via Af]

What POE are you using?


On 12/8/2014 3:55 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:
Has anyone had problems with this?  I'm running into all kinds of 
weird issues where an AP will work for a while, then link up/down 
forever.  I can't find any kind of pattern with it and I'm starting to 
wonder if there's an expected problem (bug/compatibility) with these 
ports. Currently on 6.22 ROS.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] The Dream of a Unified SM

[Nate Burke via Af]

I think you hit the nail on the head.  Everything we've seen about 
cambium says that they're purely driven by a spreadsheet.


Just think how many more 450 SM's they could sell if the AP price were 
$500 instead of $2000.  Even if the SM price went up slightly (Hey 
Cambium, I said SLIGHTLY!)  In reality, why isn't it buy 25 SM's get a 
free AP?  Oh yea, the spreadsheet has a column for that $2000/ap and it 
would disappear if that happened, nevermind that another column would 
significantly go up.





On 12/5/2014 8:08 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af wrote:
I forgot to include the connectorized SM options - we carry those 
around as well.


Cambium decided about 8 months ago to get rid of the distributor/VAR 
model and make all the VAR’s distributors.   I suspect the idea was 
that Cambium would keep the profit margin they pulled from the 
distributors, and to force the VAR’s to carry a lot of inventory to 
temporarily push up sales numbers.


Combine the 3 familles (FSK, 430, 450) x the 7 potential frequency 
bands (900, 2.4, 3.5, 3.65, 5.2, 5.4, 5.7) x integrated/connectorized 
x 4 speed tiers = 168 items to stock (and I didn’t take into account 
DES/AES in the earlier product lines).  Get rid of speed keys and that 
number is 42.


Cambium wonders why there are product shortages and difficulties with 
distribution.


The next brilliant idea was to make it much easier to purchase/manage 
speed keys.  This is going to be really interesting since Cambium’s 
reason for keeping the (useless) 4Mb  SM is that they sell a lot of 
<$200 4Mb 450 product overseas, and they don’t want to give up the 
profit margin.  There are a couple of things wrong with this:


Cambium can obviously make money on a 450 CPE at less then $200.
 You wouldn’t justify keeping a money losing product.
North America is subsidizing the bottom line - nobody in the US is
buying 4Mb CPE in any quantity.

As Ken pointed out a while ago - if Cambium is smart they are not 
going to make the key process less painful.  If I can stock only one 
part number (4Mb, <$200CPE), and easily move/buy keys  I’m going to 
quit buying 20Mb CPE and purchase keys only when I need them.   That 
will save me a lot of money.


Make a $200 CPE without speed keys and the money you save on managing 
42 part numbers versus 168 and the much greater market share for 450 
will more than make up for any loss of margin.  Unfortunately Cambium 
can’t figure that out.


Every now and then I get a wild hare up my ass and think going back to 
school for a MBA would be a good idea, and then I look at shit like this.


Mark


On Dec 5, 2014, at 8:18 AM, Josh Luthman via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:


Cambium wants to make it more difficult than Motorola when it comes 
to part numbers, too.  I'm told the new ptp850 had 700 part numbers 
to inventory.  That's just flat out stupid.  EPMP has some insanely 
stupid part number problems as well.  Oh well.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Dec 5, 2014 8:14 AM, "Gino Villarini via Af" <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:


+1000



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com <http://www.aeronetpr.com/>
@aeronetpr






On 12/5/14, 8:39 AM, "Tushar Patel via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

>It is getting difficult to carry lot of radios on each truck.
>
>Regarding keys, I agree with you 100%. But cambium is not listing.
>
>May be we should invite one of the person who came up with idea
to spend
>1 month and let them see how cumbersome it gets managing this
stupid keys.
>
>Tushar
>
>
>> On Dec 4, 2014, at 11:26 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> That¹s one of the reasons we settled on 450.
>>
>> Having to carry 900FSK, 2.4FSK, 5.7FSK, 5.2FSK, 5.4FSK, 5.7
430, 2.4
>>450, 3.65 450, 5.7 450, 2.4 ePMP, 5.7ePMP, 3.65 Wimax, NanoBridges,
>>NanaStations, Rockets, UbiquWhatevers was getting really truly
ugly.
>>
>> And then Cambium wants us to keep track of speed keys on radios.
>>That¹s still completely dumb, but they are stuck on it.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>> On Dec 4, 2014, at 12:10 PM, Nate Burke via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I got spoiled.  When Cambium introduced the multiple color code
>>>support in the SM's, I no longer had to send my installer out
with 3
>>>different radios for the different towers he might need to
connect to.
>>>It was so nice to program a radio and know that it was going
to the
>>>customer.  (because

[AFMUG] OT: Anybody a Grandstream Reseller?

[Nate Burke via Af]

I opened some new tickets open in the reseller ticket portal, but it's 
been 2 days without any response.  Anybody else have tickets updated, or 
did their system break?


Nate

Re: [AFMUG] The Dream of a Unified SM

[Nate Burke via Af]

That sound like a problem for the guy ordering the radios.  I'm the guy 
that needs to configure/send them out, so that part doesn't affect me :)



On 12/4/2014 11:15 AM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:

$


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Nate Burke via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:


I got spoiled.  When Cambium introduced the multiple color code
support in the SM's, I no longer had to send my installer out with
3 different radios for the different towers he might need to
connect to.  It was so nice to program a radio and know that it
was going to the customer.  (because inevitably, the extra radios
ended up staying in his truck, until he would come and dump a pile
of radios back in the office).  Now I'm back to sending out 3
radios again, He might need to connect to the tower that only had
FSK, Only EPMP, or Only 450.

If only there was a single SM that could connect to any of the
AP's. Ah well, I can dream.

[AFMUG] The Dream of a Unified SM

[Nate Burke via Af]

I got spoiled.  When Cambium introduced the multiple color code support 
in the SM's, I no longer had to send my installer out with 3 different 
radios for the different towers he might need to connect to.  It was so 
nice to program a radio and know that it was going to the customer.  
(because inevitably, the extra radios ended up staying in his truck, 
until he would come and dump a pile of radios back in the office).  Now 
I'm back to sending out 3 radios again, He might need to connect to the 
tower that only had FSK, Only EPMP, or Only 450.


If only there was a single SM that could connect to any of the AP's. Ah 
well, I can dream.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: RC Cars

[Nate Burke via Af]

That one looks cool.  I also found this which looks like it meets most 
of what people were talking about.

http://www.amazon.com/Redcat-Racing-Brushless-Electric-Included/dp/B00HVBVNQG/ref=sr_1_132?s=toys-and-games&ie=UTF8&qid=1417477082&sr=1-132&keywords=RC+Car
$200 Brushless motor, waterproof, RTR.   Says that it's similar speed to 
a nitro (which I read as I crash it a lot more while I'm learning to run 
it).



On 12/2/2014 3:00 AM, thouin--- via Af wrote:

I Used to have a nitro rc car.  Was lots of fun because i liked fixing it.  If 
you only budget 200 bux u will be disapointed.  When i got out of it
everything was going electric because is was faster and less "fiddling".  I 
haven't read any reviews but the 1/16 erevo seems to meet your requirements.
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXEWPCBB&P=0 would take you a 
little over budget. You also didn't say weither you wanted a kit or a rtr.  I
would opt for the brushless version of it.  But u might want to get an 
aftermarket after a bit anyway.  BTW used to have a 1/10 nitro revo and it was
awesome.  Some of the older traxxas cars where junk though.

Good luck,

Tyler
  


--- Original Message ---
 From: Erich Kaiser via Af[mailto:af@afmug.com]
Sent: 12/1/2014 8:27:39 PM
To  : af@afmug.com
Cc  :
Subject : RE: Re: [AFMUG] OT: RC Cars

  I would go to the local hobby store, typically those guys know a lot about 
this stuff, at least that is how it used to be 20 years ago.  When I was into
this stuff, the ultimate was having a gas powered RC truck/car, but I never had 
one :(
HobbyTown USA
2061A Lincoln HighwaySt. Charles, IL 60174

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/''/hobby+town+st+charles+il/@41.8816195,-88.3344586,13z/data=!4m8!4m7!1m0!1m5!1m1!1s0x880f026f561d981b:0xc63b9d2e750c7157!2m2
!1d-88.338063!2d41.899515



On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Nate Burke via Af  wrote:
For a long time I've wanted an RC car.  I was at the beach over the weekend, 
and saw a guy running one through the sand and jumping it around and it looked
really fun.  I think I'm finally in a position in life where I can allow myself 
to get one.  I'm thinking I may want one step above one you can buy at a big-
box, but I also don't plan on making it into a hobby.  Any pointers for a guy 
who just wants to run a car around sometimes?



Some things I think I want, unless I'm told I'm wrong.



4wd

Ability to cross sand/mud/shallow water (does this mean waterproof?)

Won't break if it flips/crashes.

100 yard range.

Rechargeable battery



Anything specific to look for?  Anything to stay away from?  I'm hoping to keep 
this little endeavor around $200, that way I don't have to go through all the
requisition forms and justification analysis with the wife.



Nate

[AFMUG] OT: RC Cars

[Nate Burke via Af]

For a long time I've wanted an RC car.  I was at the beach over the 
weekend, and saw a guy running one through the sand and jumping it 
around and it looked really fun.  I think I'm finally in a position in 
life where I can allow myself to get one.  I'm thinking I may want one 
step above one you can buy at a big-box, but I also don't plan on making 
it into a hobby.  Any pointers for a guy who just wants to run a car 
around sometimes?


Some things I think I want, unless I'm told I'm wrong.

4wd
Ability to cross sand/mud/shallow water (does this mean waterproof?)
Won't break if it flips/crashes.
100 yard range.
Rechargeable battery

Anything specific to look for?  Anything to stay away from?  I'm hoping 
to keep this little endeavor around $200, that way I don't have to go 
through all the requisition forms and justification analysis with the wife.


Nate

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and/or Gig SyncInjector problems

[Nate Burke via Af]

Yes, they will still do 10/100


On 11/28/2014 8:06 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:
SiteMonitor isn't showing any of the three expansion parts (poe 
injector and 2x gig syncinjectors).


Is a SyncPipe Basic required for the syncinjectors to work?  Or do 
they have an GPS radio?  I'm not seeing any documentation saying it's 
necessary, but it's mentioning it a lot...


Will the gig syncinjectors still utilize 10 or 100 mbit?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 9:01 PM, Nate Burke via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:


Does your site monitor show anything out of the ordinary?  What
are you using to provide sync to the sync injector?  The green
lights on both should blink once per second when they have sync.


On 11/28/2014 7:46 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:

Here's a video, not sure what the blinking means?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dME8A-H_590


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 8:39 PM, Josh Luthman via Af
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

*rb2011 with ports 2/3/4/5 set to hardware switch (ether2
master, 3/4/5 slave).  Ports 6/7/8/9 are hardware switch
(ether6 master, 7/8/9 slave).
*From the rb2011 it goes to the Ethernet half of the
SyncInjector.
*From the POE half of the SyncInjector it goes to WB gigeapc
HV surge suppressors and then to the ePMP radios.

Two of the ePMP radios are powered up and running gige.
Neither are receiving CMM sync (top of the ePMP says "Not
receiving GPS sync").  The remaining 6 APs aren't even
powering up/linking up.  Any ideas before I start swapping
parts?  Is it OK to have the surge between SyncInjectors and
ePMP?

On top of all of this the SiteMonitor isn't talking to the
POE injector or the two Gig SyncInjectors.  I have them all
daisy chained and verified they're snapped in place.  The POE
injector is powering Ubnt radios just fine.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and/or Gig SyncInjector problems

[Nate Burke via Af]

Yes, sync pipe is required (or at least some external sync source). Have 
you tried to rescan the bus from the sitemonitor?



On 11/28/2014 8:06 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:
SiteMonitor isn't showing any of the three expansion parts (poe 
injector and 2x gig syncinjectors).


Is a SyncPipe Basic required for the syncinjectors to work?  Or do 
they have an GPS radio?  I'm not seeing any documentation saying it's 
necessary, but it's mentioning it a lot...


Will the gig syncinjectors still utilize 10 or 100 mbit?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 9:01 PM, Nate Burke via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:


Does your site monitor show anything out of the ordinary?  What
are you using to provide sync to the sync injector?  The green
lights on both should blink once per second when they have sync.


On 11/28/2014 7:46 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:

Here's a video, not sure what the blinking means?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dME8A-H_590


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 8:39 PM, Josh Luthman via Af
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

*rb2011 with ports 2/3/4/5 set to hardware switch (ether2
master, 3/4/5 slave).  Ports 6/7/8/9 are hardware switch
(ether6 master, 7/8/9 slave).
*From the rb2011 it goes to the Ethernet half of the
SyncInjector.
*From the POE half of the SyncInjector it goes to WB gigeapc
HV surge suppressors and then to the ePMP radios.

Two of the ePMP radios are powered up and running gige.
Neither are receiving CMM sync (top of the ePMP says "Not
receiving GPS sync").  The remaining 6 APs aren't even
powering up/linking up.  Any ideas before I start swapping
parts?  Is it OK to have the surge between SyncInjectors and
ePMP?

On top of all of this the SiteMonitor isn't talking to the
POE injector or the two Gig SyncInjectors.  I have them all
daisy chained and verified they're snapped in place.  The POE
injector is powering Ubnt radios just fine.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and/or Gig SyncInjector problems

[Nate Burke via Af]

Does your site monitor show anything out of the ordinary?  What are you 
using to provide sync to the sync injector?  The green lights on both 
should blink once per second when they have sync.



On 11/28/2014 7:46 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:

Here's a video, not sure what the blinking means?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dME8A-H_590


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 8:39 PM, Josh Luthman via Af > wrote:


*rb2011 with ports 2/3/4/5 set to hardware switch (ether2 master,
3/4/5 slave).  Ports 6/7/8/9 are hardware switch (ether6 master,
7/8/9 slave).
*From the rb2011 it goes to the Ethernet half of the SyncInjector.
*From the POE half of the SyncInjector it goes to WB gigeapc HV
surge suppressors and then to the ePMP radios.

Two of the ePMP radios are powered up and running gige.  Neither
are receiving CMM sync (top of the ePMP says "Not receiving GPS
sync").  The remaining 6 APs aren't even powering up/linking up. 
Any ideas before I start swapping parts?  Is it OK to have the

surge between SyncInjectors and ePMP?

On top of all of this the SiteMonitor isn't talking to the POE
injector or the two Gig SyncInjectors.  I have them all daisy
chained and verified they're snapped in place.  The POE injector
is powering Ubnt radios just fine.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour

[Nate Burke via Af]

 a
reference to the almost mob
>>>> atmosphere that has occurred over the years?  If so, that
is racist.  Of
>>>> course just because something is racist doesn’t mean it
isn’t true.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:40 AM
>>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting
listening here in an
>>>> hour
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Black Friday... now that is just racist!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Mathew Howard via Af
>>>>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:38 AM
>>>>
>>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting
listening here in an
>>>> hour
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I saw a comment somewhere last night... "Early Black Friday sale,
>>>> everything 100% off in Ferguson".
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] on behalf of Chuck McCown via Af
>>>> [af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>]
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:31 AM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting
listening here in an
>>>> hour
>>>>
>>>> A good looting is a perfect warm-up exercise for the holiday 
season.
>>>>
>>>> When we ran the Radio Shack, this was the time of the
year for break ins
>>>> and burglaries.
>>>>
>>>> One time they threw a large rock through the window and
were in and out
>>>> in 2 minutes.
>>>>
>>>> The next incident happened before we could even get the
    window fixed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Security cameras satisfied our curiosity as to what
happened, but they
>>>> never helped the cops catch anyone.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: That One Guy via Af
>>>>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:27 AM

>>>>
>>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting
listening here in an
>>>> hour
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> yes, no questions asked. There were nikes and flat
screens in those
>>>> stores that needed liberated from the oppressors. The
news could have
>>>> ignored it all together and they would have rioted and
looted, thats who
>>>> they are, its what they do, kind of like how when we see
jobs, we take them
>>>> and do them. We really arent any different than them
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Nate Burke via Af
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Or that the 24 hour news cycle needs something to talk
about.  One
>>>> comment I heard on the radio was that given the amount of
coverage that [the
>>>> media] had in Ferguson, if something didn't happen they
would be really
>>>> disappointed. Expectations lead to results.
>>>>
>>>> If the Media had been covering it as 'An announcement is
expected
>>>> tonight, We expect everything to be calm' Would carnage
have happened?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
   

[AFMUG] How the Internet works

[Nate Burke via Af]

I see this with the highschool kids, they know how to work all the 
technology, but have no idea how the technology works


http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20141125/business/141129044/

The quiz is fun though
www.pewinternet.org/quiz/web-iq-quiz/

Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour

[Nate Burke via Af]

This happened just down the street from our office.
http://wgntv.com/2014/11/05/aurora-police-seek-suspects-in-high-end-smash-and-grab/

The Mall rent-a-cop saw the minivan and sedan as he was responding to 
the store alarm, but didn't notice them moving the merchandise. (or he 
saw them and really didn't want to get involved)


On 11/25/2014 10:31 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:

A good looting is a perfect warm-up exercise for the holiday season.
When we ran the Radio Shack, this was the time of the year for break 
ins and burglaries.
One time they threw a large rock through the window and were in and 
out in 2 minutes.

The next incident happened before we could even get the window fixed.
Security cameras satisfied our curiosity as to what happened, but they 
never helped the cops catch anyone.

*From:* That One Guy via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:27 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in 
an hour
yes, no questions asked. There were nikes and flat screens in those 
stores that needed liberated from the oppressors. The news could have 
ignored it all together and they would have rioted and looted, thats 
who they are, its what they do, kind of like how when we see jobs, we 
take them and do them. We really arent any different than them
On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Nate Burke via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:


Or that the 24 hour news cycle needs something to talk about.  One
comment I heard on the radio was that given the amount of coverage
that [the media] had in Ferguson, if something didn't happen they
would be really disappointed.  Expectations lead to results.

If the Media had been covering it as 'An announcement is expected
tonight, We expect everything to be calm'  Would carnage have
happened?



On 11/25/2014 9:43 AM, Mathew Howard via Af wrote:

I think it is the case that it's just more visible, it probably
has always been happening just as much... and cases like in
Ferguson normally would never be heard of outside the local area,
if somebody hadn't decided that it was a good opportunity for
rioting.


*From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>]
on behalf of Josh Luthman via Af [af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>]
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 8:45 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here
in an hour

>Cops sure seem to me to be a bit more trigger happy than in
times past.

Is that a gut feeling or is there math to prove that?  It's
certainly become more visible in recent years, but from what I've
read in the last year there hasn't been a noticeable increase in
police shootings in the last several years (as of the last year
report I read).
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Chuck McCown via Af
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

Yep, here in Utah the motto is “kill ‘em all, let God sort
‘em out”.
It is OK though because we are a pretty religious bunch...
But seriously -
Cops sure seem to me to be a bit more trigger happy than in
times past.
We have one that seems to me to be much worse that Ferguson
here in Saratoga Springs.
Kid had a replica sword.  Walking around near a gas station,
morning, not any people around.
Someone called it in, kid was looking/acting a bit goofy.
Cops chased him around and shot him in the back 6 or 7 times.
No looting and riots. Just peaceful sad gatherings.
*From:* That One Guy via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent:* Monday, November 24, 2014 10:27 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening
here in an hour
none will be prosecuted, they all have the ACLU hotline
written on their arm, there are hundreds of lawyers on site
just for this, everything is a civil rights issue, even
stealing TVs.
Ive been listening to
http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/ctid/1573/web really good
dispatchers, these guys have to be under stress, they keep
having missing cops, even though you know theyll turn up its
got to put a pit in your stomach every time.
Apparently in utah now, getting killed by cops is the number
one murder according to some headlines, is this true chuck,
are your cops randomly killing poeple now?
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 11:23 PM, Jay Weekley via Af
mai

Re: [AFMUG] OT animation software

[Nate Burke via Af]

Spare me, but I couldn't resist.

Very low learning curve, minimal hardware requirements, fairly cheap.  
Although this is more of a hardware based solution.


http://www.rakuten.com/prod/bagged-blank-flipbook-set-of-6/255404750.html?listingId=306683253&sclid=pla_google_Wayfair&adid=29963&gclid=Cj0KEQiA7tCjBRDulMny5rfM0dkBEiQA7fcshYQ9p6ojOkBzheiF6-eOBdfmgBLTWFhCL6I39m8WWP0aAsaM8P8HAQ



On 11/25/2014 10:27 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
Looking for recommendations for animation software that does not have 
a steep learning curve and hopefully is free or low cost.

Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour

[Nate Burke via Af]

Or that the 24 hour news cycle needs something to talk about.  One 
comment I heard on the radio was that given the amount of coverage that 
[the media] had in Ferguson, if something didn't happen they would be 
really disappointed.  Expectations lead to results.


If the Media had been covering it as 'An announcement is expected 
tonight, We expect everything to be calm'  Would carnage have happened?



On 11/25/2014 9:43 AM, Mathew Howard via Af wrote:
I think it is the case that it's just more visible, it probably has 
always been happening just as much... and cases like in Ferguson 
normally would never be heard of outside the local area, if somebody 
hadn't decided that it was a good opportunity for rioting.



*From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Luthman via Af 
[af@afmug.com]

*Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 8:45 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in 
an hour


>Cops sure seem to me to be a bit more trigger happy than in times past.

Is that a gut feeling or is there math to prove that?  It's certainly 
become more visible in recent years, but from what I've read in the 
last year there hasn't been a noticeable increase in police shootings 
in the last several years (as of the last year report I read).



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Chuck McCown via Af > wrote:


Yep, here in Utah the motto is “kill ‘em all, let God sort ‘em out”.
It is OK though because we are a pretty religious bunch...
But seriously -
Cops sure seem to me to be a bit more trigger happy than in times
past.
We have one that seems to me to be much worse that Ferguson here
in Saratoga Springs.
Kid had a replica sword.  Walking around near a gas station,
morning, not any people around.
Someone called it in, kid was looking/acting a bit goofy.
Cops chased him around and shot him in the back 6 or 7 times.
No looting and riots.  Just peaceful sad gatherings.
*From:* That One Guy via Af 
*Sent:* Monday, November 24, 2014 10:27 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here
in an hour
none will be prosecuted, they all have the ACLU hotline written on
their arm, there are hundreds of lawyers on site just for this,
everything is a civil rights issue, even stealing TVs.
Ive been listening to
http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/ctid/1573/web really good
dispatchers, these guys have to be under stress, they keep having
missing cops, even though you know theyll turn up its got to put a
pit in your stomach every time.
Apparently in utah now, getting killed by cops is the number one
murder according to some headlines, is this true chuck, are your
cops randomly killing poeple now?
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 11:23 PM, Jay Weekley via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

There are a lot of cameras in the area. Hopefully some will be
prosecuted.

Mathew Howard via Af wrote:

It makes sense when you think about it that way... they
know there's a good chance they'll get away with it, with
all the other stuff going on keeping the police busy.



*From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com
] on behalf of CBB - Jay
Fuller via Af [af@afmug.com ]
*Sent:* Monday, November 24, 2014 11:06 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting
listening here in an hour

crimes of opportunity.  hey, excuse to break into the
liquor store.  free beer!
no relation to anything else.

- Original Message -
*From:* George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
>
*To:* af@afmug.com 
>
*Sent:* Monday, November 24, 2014 10:53 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting
listening here
in an hour

Destroy your own city, brilliant!

On 11/24/2014 10:23 PM, Tyler Treat via Af wrote:
> Toggling between Fox and CNN.People just
torching random
shit and thieving everything. Sad.
>
> ___
> Mangled by my iPhone.
> ___
>
> Tyler Trea

Re: [AFMUG] Physical Access Control

[Nate Burke via Af]

We just deployed a couple of these on interior doors, but they are IP65 
weatherproof.


http://www.supremainc.com/eng/product/fs_66.php?mark=127

They power/program via POE, All access/logging is stored on the reader, 
only need to have the server software online to program/pull logs.  The 
unit provides POE48v->12v@700ma conversion to run a doorstrike or mag 
lock directly off the card reader.  Only draw back with that setup is 
that if someone physically compromises the reader, they could unlock the 
door.  To get around that you would use an expansion board with RS485 in 
a more secure location that actually trips the unlock relay.


We bought them from a local alarm dealer who had no problem just selling 
us the units, I think they were about $350 each for the HID Model.  We 
used door strike releases off Amazon.  Just pulled a single cat5 off our 
POE switch to the door and tied the strike release into the card 
reader.  By doing POE, the switch is already on a UPS, so backup power 
is covered that way instead of having a little battery in a box 
somewhere that you have to remember to maintain.


Nate

On 11/24/2014 11:38 PM, D. Ryan Spott via Af wrote:

This system appears to be fairly cost effective and cheap to set up:

http://www.cyberlock.com/access-control/cyberlock-overview

ryan


On 11/24/14 5:44 PM, Colin Stanners via Af wrote:

I've done a number of installs, all using Kantech panels. Some examples:

Cheap 2-door setup:
-Entrapass Special edition software (supports like 256 panels) $350
-Kantech KT-300 from ebay (supports 2 readers; serial RS485 link to 
PC or other panels): $150-350

-eBay RS485 to USB adapter $5
-metal box, 16VAC 20/40VA PSU, 12V battery (4.5-8 AH) from local 
alarm guy: $80

-two cheap em4100 (low-security) readers from eBay: 2x $12
-fifty em4100 fobs from eBay: $50
-two cheap door strikes or maglocks from eBay: 2x $50
-two cheap motion sensors from eBay for request-to-exit: 2x $20
-average 100ft of cat5 (8 wires: reader power + and -; reader data + 
and - ; buzzer; LED; door sensor and request to exit) and 18/2 cable 
(strike/maglock power) per door: 2x $40


Total: ~$1K

Higher-end 2-door setup, panel expandable to 4 doors:
-Entrapass Special edition software (supports like 256 panels) $350
-Kantech KT-400 panel (supports 4 readers; ethernet to PC; serial 
RS485 link to PC or other panels): $1200
-metal box, 16VAC 40VA PSU, 12V battery (7-8 AH) from local alarm 
guy: $100

-two Kantech ioprox (higher-security) readers: 2x $120
-fifty Kantech ioprox fobs: $250
-two Kantech/higher-end maglocks: 2x $120
-two Kantech T.Rex motion sensors from eBay for request-to-exit: 2x $120
-average 100ft of cat5 (8 wires: reader power + and -; reader data + 
and - ; buzzer; LED; door sensor and request to exit) and 18/2 cable 
(strike/maglock power) per door: 2x $40


Total: $2.5k


On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 8:55 AM, Mike Hammett via Af > wrote:


What are you guys doing for physical access control systems? I've
seen several places using systems based on HID cards, but I don't
know how cost effective they are.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com








--
D. Ryan Spott | Iron Goat Networks, llc
broadband | telco | colo | community
PO Box 1232 / 603 W. Stevens Sultan, WA 98284
360-799-0552 | gtalk:rsp...@irongoat.net

Re: [AFMUG] LOUD 5 Ghz

[Nate Burke via Af]

Link broke? Just takes me to a Facebook login screen.

On 11/24/2014 11:05 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:

http://on.fb.me/11Pp5lV



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [AFMUG] Where I am - I being Chuck McCown

[Nate Burke via Af]

Has the MPAA Officer come and found you in the theater yet?


On 11/19/2014 6:14 PM, Traci via Af wrote:



Please post this to the list. I am so special...

Re: [AFMUG] Sip Behind NAT

[Nate Burke via Af]

I've tried everything I could find on the forums, and it was still 
having issues.  Luckily there are 2 interfaces on the Grandstream box, 
and it's smart enough that you can setup one on the WAN and one on the 
LAN, but not have it function as a router.  I've configured it with a 
public IP address on the WAN interface and that of course fixed it.



On 11/14/2014 4:02 PM, Butch Evans via Af wrote:

On 11/14/2014 02:53 PM, Nate Burke via Af wrote:

I know the short answer is 'Don't' but let's pretend for a minute I
don't have an option.  (Mikrotik router, Grandstream 6102 PBX)

I have a trunk setup to the carrier, and I am doing a DST-NAT rule for
all traffic from the carrier's IP Address to the Internal IP of the
Grandstream.  I am also dst-nat all UDP ports 8766-35000 traffic to the
grandstream.  After a few minutes an incoming call will have 1 way
audio, but then the next call right after that will be fine. I do
have the NAT settings set in the grandstream.

It seems like I'm just missing something simple to keep it working all
the time.  Any pointers?



Ensure that the ALG helper is turned of. IP->Firewall->Service Ports 
(turn off the SIP app)

[AFMUG] RB951 and 802.11 B/G/N

[Nate Burke via Af]

I've deployed a few customers with RB951's, I've heard back from a 
couple that complain about random issues with them, clients 
disconnecting, etc.  I marked them up to baby monitor interference/too 
far away from the AP, etc.  Over the weekend, I needed to extend a drop 
to the next room, so I threw a 951 in until I could get a cable run.  No 
other wifi reached this part of the building.  I had the 951 configured 
for 20mhz b/g/n, and I couldn't keep the wireless connected even right 
next to the AP.  It had about 70% packet loss and 200-300ms ping times 
when it worked.  After troubleshooting and trying different channels and 
even another 951, I disabled 'N'  so that it was only b/g.  Packetloss 
went away, and connection was rock solid.  Could this have been caused 
by a Radio issue, or is there an problem with 802.11 N in the 951's?  
ROS 6.21.


Nate

[AFMUG] Sip Behind NAT

[Nate Burke via Af]

I know the short answer is 'Don't' but let's pretend for a minute I 
don't have an option.  (Mikrotik router, Grandstream 6102 PBX)


I have a trunk setup to the carrier, and I am doing a DST-NAT rule for 
all traffic from the carrier's IP Address to the Internal IP of the 
Grandstream.  I am also dst-nat all UDP ports 8766-35000 traffic to the 
grandstream.  After a few minutes an incoming call will have 1 way 
audio, but then the next call right after that will be fine.I do 
have the NAT settings set in the grandstream.


It seems like I'm just missing something simple to keep it working all 
the time.  Any pointers?


Nate

Re: [AFMUG] Mark Cuban on Net Neutrality: "The Government Will Fuck the Internet Up"

[Nate Burke via Af]

I just finished reading a book that was gov't reports compiled from the 
60's  What I took away from it was if there was just 1 city in the US 
that was attacked, it would disrupt the entire country.  The countrywide 
healthcare system could not handle the number of casualties, 
Transportation and movement of goods would be disrupted and general 
paranoia would set in.  There didn't need to be  full scale attack to 
bring the country to it's knees.  I think their example city was 
Detroit, and it had far reaching consequences.




On 11/14/2014 9:58 AM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:
Everyone knows that.  It's when you encounter nuclear strikes nearby 
that you begin to change things...



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Chuck McCown via Af > wrote:


But I never got to use my bomb shelter!  I still have a radiation
detector around here somewhere and my 1965 civil defense handbook
they gave out at school.
Did you know that you can survive under a sheet of plywood if you
put it in the corner of your basement on cinder blocks with bags
of sand on top! Like... who knew!
*From:* Josh Luthman via Af 
*Sent:* Friday, November 14, 2014 8:50 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mark Cuban on Net Neutrality: "The
Government Will Fuck the Internet Up"
Not unused at all...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLCF7vPanrY
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Chuck McCown via Af
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

How about nuclear weapons?  We sure did those right.
Shame for them to go unused, don't you think...?
*From:* Cameron Crum via Af 
*Sent:* Friday, November 14, 2014 5:48 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mark Cuban on Net Neutrality: "The
Government Will Fuck the Internet Up"

Of course all those things were 50 to almost 100 years ago.
NASA is pretty much a joke these days using old faulty Russian
boosters, and we are firing the best and brightest in our
military. I doubt we could go to the moon or win a global
conflict these days. Sad really.

On Nov 13, 2014 7:05 PM, "Josh Reynolds via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

USA: WWI & WWII Back-To-Back Champs

On 11/13/2014 03:56 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:

WWII came out better than most people expected.

bp


On 11/13/2014 4:29 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:

What hasn't the government fucked up?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

- Original Message -
From: Eric Kuhnke via Af mailto:af@afmug.com
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 18:10:08 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mark Cuban on Net Neutrality: "The
Government Will Fuck the Internet Up"

considering that mark cuban's hero is Ayn Rand:


https://www.google.ca/search?q=mark+cuban+ayn+rand&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb&gfe_rd=cr&ei=NUhlVKGZJKibkgLHhoGgDA




Juvenile philosophy.

On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Mike Hammett via Af
mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:



http://reason.com/blog/2014/11/13/markcuban-on-net-neutrality-the-governme




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com









-- 
josh reynolds :: chief information officer

spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com  

Re: [AFMUG] SiteMonitor Question

[Nate Burke via Af]

Just had this his happen with one of mine out of the box.  One port 
would not provide POE either,  Packetflux RMA'd the unit.


Nate

On 11/13/2014 6:16 PM, Plexicomm Admin via Af wrote:
So I have two SyncInjectors connected to this SiteMonitor. The second 
one will not communicate properly (see screen shot below). I tried 
rebooting the base, different jumpers, defaulting, no luck. All three 
items are brand new.


Dan English
Plexicomm - Internet Solutions
d...@plexicomm.net | 1.866.759.4678 x103
Fax: 1.866.852.4688 | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713

Re: [AFMUG] How do you power an ePMP on a tower?

[Nate Burke via Af]

I use the GIGE-POE-APC for powering all my Airfiber radios.  They're 
also good if you want to get DC power to a remote location that already 
has cat5 run, you can run them back to back to put the power on and take 
it off of the Cat5.


Don't forget with the packetflux, you still need some surge protection, 
Chucks does it all in 1 unit (but no Sync).



On 11/13/2014 5:20 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:

Well that kinda settles it, 4 port sync injector...

What kind of applications have you seen for those APC cards with DC 
power?  I feel it's way more convenient to do a Packetflux POE injector.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Chuck McCown via Af > wrote:


http://www.wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=77

-Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen via Af
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 4:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] How do you power an ePMP on a tower?


On 11/13/14, 15:05, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:

What are my options besides stacking a bunch of the included POEs?



http://store.packetflux.com/sitemonitor-4-channel-gigabit-poe-injector-controller/

Also in 8-port or gigabit syncinjector.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] WARNING: Steamy Subject Matter

[Nate Burke via Af]

+1 on the IPv6.  I understand the routing, but looking more specifically 
about handing off Dualstacked to customers.  CPE Hardware 
support/configuration, Etc.


Perhaps some sort of 6 to 4 gateway talk.  We have boatloads of IPv6 
space, but sparse IPv4.  Can we hand out only IPv6 addresses to 
customers, would they notice.  Would they care?


Nate


On 11/13/2014 1:18 PM, Jason Pond via Af wrote:


IPv6 implementation in a IPV4 network.

BGP best practices.

Setting up iBGP I where you have different physically located edges.

Sincerely,

Jason Pond

On Nov 13, 2014 11:28 AM, "Jason Petrillo via Af" > wrote:


So that is what it takes to get your attention…


As has been mentioned several times in the recent past we are
working on the Animal Farm 9 agenda.  We could really use some
input from you the participants in this process.   Currently I am
counting on the usual suspect to show their wares in a similar
fashion to what they have done in the past. Beyond that I would
ask what would you like to learn more about?  Panel discussions? 
How to meet girls?  How to pick the perfect emoticon to best

capture mood and intonation?  I’m open to anything and would be
happy to chase down industry experts to enlighten us all.

Thoughts?

If you would rather not respond to the group with your suggestions
please feel free to contact me at ja...@cni.net
 or 360.442.4414 .

Thanks,

Jason Petrillo

Last Mile Gear

Re: [AFMUG] Phantom Default Plug?

[Nate Burke via Af]

Dang, I think I just threw out 3 or 4 AP's that were stuck in default 
mode because I didn't think they were repairable.  Is your workaround a 
new fix?



On 11/13/2014 10:13 AM, Paul McCall via Af wrote:

Matt,

There are actually lots of little chips around the CPU area that can cause this 
and a couple other parts that can as well.

We actually have a proprietary workaround that works pretty universally to fix 
this, but I cant share that secret :)  it involve no component swaps.

Paul

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 9:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Phantom Default Plug?

Anyone know the component to replace to fix this?  Have replaced ethernet 
controller chips and diodes on P9 units.


On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 9:07 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:

I had one do that, Paul at PDMNet said it was a hardware problem and
apparently somewhat common, I sent it in and they fixed it.  It was a
pretty old SM and I thought it was just crud or water in the jack or
on the PCB but I cleaned it up really good with alcohol with no success.

From: Steve D via Af
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 9:02 PM
To: af
Subject: [AFMUG] Phantom Default Plug?

I know I've seen this before, but just had an FSK 2.4 SM do this to me
- real bugger too because it was the last in my truck while I was out
doing a site test.

Any ideas what caused it or how to fix it?  I think I was in the
process of changing color codes when it happened.  It's just my truck
test unit running
11.2 firmware.  Going to 13.1.3 didn't fix, nor did going back to
10.5.  Put in a real default plug and reset to defaults too.

-Steve D

Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm 9

[Nate Burke via Af]

The Boss get's to go to the WISPA show and hear all the hype from 
Manufactures.  I get to go to Animal Farm and talk to the engineers to 
be able to tell him why it won't work the way sales thought it would.





On 11/11/2014 5:45 PM, Ivan Kohler via Af wrote:

Hi,

The folks at WB manufacturing emailed me about the Animal Farm 9 show in
February (4th-5th).  We haven't been to an AF show in a couple years.
Other than the date, there isn't any 2015 specific information on the
site yet, such as this year's agenda or sponsors.

What do you all think of the show?  Will you be going this year?  Do you
also go to WISPA (or other shows) or only AF?

Thanks for your input.  Feel free to have be opinionated.  :)

Re: [AFMUG] Viva Kari Byron

[Nate Burke via Af]

Regardless of the personnel debate, how has Mythbusters been lately?  
They lost me around season 6 when they were running some experiment, and 
it seemed like the goal was just to see how many cars they could total 
without actually proving anything.  I miss the early seasons when they 
had to work within a budget and come up with creative solutions to run 
the experiment.



On 11/11/2014 9:44 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:

Rather have Kari...
*From:* Ken Hohhof via Af 
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 11, 2014 8:40 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Viva Kari Byron
Bring back Scottie Chapman.
*From:* Josh Luthman via Af 
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 11, 2014 9:28 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Viva Kari Byron

http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/810/Kari-Byron-mythbusters-8156382-350-500.jpg

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Nov 11, 2014 10:02 AM, "Jaime Solorza via Af" > wrote:


Yep.  I agree...bodacious set of .  grant is a dr.

Jaime Solorza

On Nov 11, 2014 7:50 AM, "Chuck McCown via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

Screw Jamie and Adam, we watch for Kari:

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/889/445/308/bring-kari-byron-and-the-build-team-back-to-mythbusters/
I like Grant too, partially due to the fact he is the only one
with an actual degree in science.
Tory has a degree of Steve-O in him.

[AFMUG] JPipe Outriggers

[Nate Burke via Af]

I know they're out there, but Haven't been able to hit on the right name 
yet to find them.  I'm looking for the support outriggers for a 1.66" OD 
J-Pipe.   Who has them?

[AFMUG] Internet for Old Folks

[Nate Burke via Af]

Looking for recommendations on a connection for 'Old Folks'  Who are 
extremely not technical (read parents).  The are in a semi-urban 
setting, but Comcast is their only wired internet option, no DSL, no 
Close WISPS's.  They're on the triple play now, but it's expensive for 
what they use.  They only watch the OTA Channels on their cable, and 
they turn the computer on maybe once per day to check email (and play 
solitaire).  They are not willing to give up a landline phone, as a 
cellphone has too many buttons (they got their flip phone stuck on 
speakerphone, and didn't know how to change it back)


I was hoping at maybe doing like a Verizon hotspot with their Home Voice 
Service via 4G, but that looks like it's almost $90/month. Any other 
cheaper solutions?  I would try to get them to go with an internet only 
comcast option and give them an ATA, but even those are $60+/mo after 
taxes.  And since they're already a customer, I'm not sure if they could 
navigate the Comcast scripts without getting sucked into another triple 
play deal.


From a few Animal Farms ago, there was the company that was selling 
white labeled Cellular connections.  Any WISPS here participate in that 
and can offer 'base station' type services?  Service is needed in 
Northwest Indiana.  I believe that all major carriers have good coverage 
at the location.

Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

[Nate Burke via Af]

I'm very interested in the parallels that this thread has to our 
industry.  And the response that we have to someone else basically doing 
the same thing we do.


Powerco has Single line into a subdivision = Tower with only 1 backhaul
Powerco drops a 2nd feed in, but with Manual cutover = Static routing, 
having to manually change the route between backhauls
Powerco Adds intelligence to substation, able to automatically switch 
during a failure = OSPF Routing
Powerco Monitors utilization of feeds to substation = This backhaul is 
full, but I'm not sure where it's all going
Powerco Adds intelligence to individual meter = We can see how much data 
each customer is using
Powerco is able to use Smart Meter to manage Loads during peak times = 
I'm going to queue Netflix so that my backhaul doesn't overload at 7pm


Isn't the powerco basically doing the exact same thing we do?  Managing 
the electrons


On 11/5/2014 6:31 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

It would be a Control & Automation product, so:

mMeter

Like mCookies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A14qyN0rVGA
My favorite is Mmm Pistol Whip.


-Original Message- From: Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 6:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

If it is made by UBNT, then it would be the AirMeter.

bp

On 11/5/2014 1:43 PM, Caleb Knauer via Af wrote:

Hmmm, Chuck M is showing a lot of interest in smart meters.  I'm
calling it right now:  UniMeter.  Cloud-based 900Mhz meshed smart
meters.  I'll license you the use of that name for a nominal fee.

On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Chuck Macenski via Af  
wrote:
In fact...the smart grid can help eliminate rolling 
brownouts/blackouts by
carefully managing the power delivered to customers on the end of 
the lines
by controlling the delivered voltage. Basically, these meters give 
power
companies the ability to measure the voltage delivered to meet the 
minimum
requirements at the end of each feed... Substation transformers can 
then be

set to deliver lower voltage (= lower power usage) thus avoiding
brownouts...of course, load control (turning off your A/C) doesn't hurt
either.

Pre-smart grid, the main way the power company knew about lines 
going down
(storms, trees, etc) was when they got a phone call. These meters 
will tell
them where they have issues so they can route around much much much 
faster;
other parts of the smart grid can allow power to be rerouted from a 
control
panel rather than a power company truck and a guy with an insulated 
stick

throwing a switch in the rain.

It is a fascinating topic...

Chuck

On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:48 AM, That One Guy via Af  
wrote:

The smartgrid does have the benefit off allowing essential services to
stay up in the event of rolling black/brownouts

I watched a PBS show about the power situation over in India or one of
those places, its crazy, people steal power left and right just 
tying onto
the wires. The transformers are always catching fire and people 
dump water
on them. As much as I hate US power companies, I cant imagine 
living over

there. Linemen get beat up alot

You could tell the show was geared at it being a humanitarian 
issue, these
poor people losing their power... how will they survive, but the 
majority of
the background images were of people powering consumer 
electronics... not a

justifiable theft IMHO... I did not know TV was a basic human right

On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Chuck Macenski via Af 
wrote:
Smart meters certainly can shut you off remotely. That is a huge 
safety
benefit to the power companies - it turns out that turning the 
power off to
a customer that has not paid their bill is not always a pleasant 
experience.


Chuck


On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af  
wrote:

 From ComEd smartmeter FAQ:

"Smart meters for residential customers will have remote switching
capabilities that can be used when a customer closes an account, 
then

reconnects when the customer starts a new account."

"One of the benefits of this remote switching capability is that 
ComEd
can provide electrical service to customers more quickly, after 
the customer

has contacted ComEd to initiate service. ComEd can also expedite the
transfer of electrical service when a customer moves from one 
location to

another within the ComEd service territory."

I see a post on the Mike Holt electrician forum about whether 
calling
the electric company and having them remotely shut off the power 
makes it

safe to work on, as opposed to pulling the meter.  (hell no)


-Original Message- From: Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 11:06 AM

To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

Well, maybe some of them.  I don't think the ones around here 
have that

capability.  Wouldn't they have to have some large contactors and a
relay?  I think that alone occupies a lot more space than the
smartmeters occupy.

For now I think they are mostly big brother wat

Re: [AFMUG] OT The effects of grid tie solar

[Nate Burke via Af]

Is that your monthly electric bill?  Or how much they power co pays you.

What would you say total cost you have into your solar array is?

On 11/5/2014 12:36 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:

image

Re: [AFMUG] The One Time I like Trees

[Nate Burke via Af]

RF Modulation, not actual usage.


On 11/4/2014 10:21 AM, David via Af wrote:

OMG!. Is the Blue the OutIF and the GREEN InIF ?
That circuit looks FLAT LINED :)

On 11/04/2014 10:00 AM, Nate Burke via Af wrote:
UBNT Modulation.� This is on a Near LOS Shot.� Can you tell when 
the leaves are on the trees and blocking out other interference?

[AFMUG] The One Time I like Trees

[Nate Burke via Af]

UBNT Modulation.  This is on a Near LOS Shot.  Can you tell when the 
leaves are on the trees and blocking out other interference?

Re: [AFMUG] Accuracy of on cable foot markings

[Nate Burke via Af]

Wouldn't the weight of the cable have something to do with it as well?  
There's not as much weight with a cat5 vs a 144 armored fiber pushing on 
the cables below it.  I guess if you have 50k of cat5 on an 8' spool, 
but I can't imagine there's enough weight with 5k to hurt anything.  The 
whole spool is only like 150lbs


On 11/2/2014 9:07 PM, Jason McKemie via Af wrote:

Not as big of a deal with smaller reels.

On Sunday, November 2, 2014, Ken Hohhof via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:


Uh-oh.  Other than the big Superior-Essex reels, I have them all
stored that way.  Stacked in fact.  Otherwise they roll around.  I
guess I'll have to change that.
*From:* Chuck McCown via Af

*Sent:* Sunday, November 02, 2014 8:24 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Accuracy of on cable foot markings
Never lay any reel of cable on its side.  The layers and the reel
ends will slip and shift and compress.  You can have crushing and
abrasions, especially when a layer comes to the end and is up
against the reel end.
We always refuse any reel that comes in on its side.
This a a very long time telco industry standard.
*From:* Darin Steffl via Af

*Sent:* Sunday, November 02, 2014 7:06 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Accuracy of on cable foot markings
Why can't you lay a fiber spool on its side?

On Sunday, November 2, 2014, Carlos Alcantar via Af > wrote:

+1 on this we have actually complained enough about this the
vendor that we usually buy most of our cable from give us an
extra 20'.  We have also refused 20k feet of fiber as the
shipping company laid the spool on it's side.
Carlos Alcantar
Race Communications / Race Team Member
1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010
Phone: +1 415 376 3314 /
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','car...@race.com'); /
http://www.race.com
From: Mark Radabaugh via Af

Reply-To: "javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');"

Date: Saturday, November 1, 2014 at 3:13 PM
To: "javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');"

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Accuracy of on cable foot markings
I would be willing to bet the cable markings are right, and
that the operator/machine spooling the cable missed by 20'
since they are looking at the measuring wheel/encoder rather
than the cable markings.
/Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID/


    Sean Heskett via Af
 wrote:

what's 20 feet amongst friends?!?!
On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Nate Burke via Af
 wrote:

I just got some 5000' spools of Belden 7919a cable in, and
looking at the cable foot markings from both ends of the
cable, they're all about 20' short.  When I get 1000'
spools, they've always been spot on (as far as matching
the cable markings) Is this just the discrepancy in the
tolerance of the cable markings at that distance?



-- 
Darin Steffl

Minnesota WiFi
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: LED bulbs at home

[Nate Burke via Af]

I just replaced 3 Dusk-Dawn Dimable ouside fixtures from 100w 
incandescent to the 100w cree LED's.  I'm only monitoring my Whole home 
Current, but it looks like it's saved about 1A draw in the overnight 
hours.  The LED's are much brighter than the Incadecents were.


Interestingly enough, I put them in my garage door opener, and the 
remotes stopped working.  Took the bulbs back out and it's fine.  Must 
be some sort of interference with the DC Power supply that close to the 
antenna.


I've also changed the 5 Flourescent light fixtures in my garage from 2 
bulb 40w tubes to just 1 18w LED Tube.  They provide more light than the 
old bulbs.  Last few bulbs I paid $12 each for off Ebay.


At Home Depot look for the 'contractor discount'  It's on some bulbs.  I 
believe that if you buy 5 of the same SKU you get $5 off per bulb.  I 
think the 60w Crees fell into that last time I was there.


On 11/2/2014 8:31 PM, Chris Fabien via Af wrote:

The flood that failed on me was an "ecosmart" brand from Home Depot, FYI.

I was just there today, and they had some on sale for under $5 a bulb. 
They also had some new "100W equivalent" ones that would probably be 
great for a garage, shop or someplace else that needs a lot of light 
and maybe isn't heated, which was always a problem for CFLs.


On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Tyler Treat via Af > wrote:


Thanks for the insight, fellas!
___
Mangled by my iPhone.
___

Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com 
___


> On Nov 2, 2014, at 6:14 PM, Chuck McCown via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
>
> I built LEDs into the ceiling of my family room when the house
was built 5 years ago.  Ceiling is up about 25 feet, never wanted
to have to get up there.  It will take scaffolding if it ever
becomes necessary.  Have changed out almost all the rest too as
the CFLs have died.
>
> I have 10 kW of grid tie solar as well.  Free air conditioning
is nice indeed.
> Good luck  with phillips flood style LEDs and CREE bulb types. 
Most of them are dimmable now, that was the case for the earlier

units.
>
> Home depot has very nice prices.  Some 60 watt equivalent for
about $7.50. I actually had to pay a bit more to get 40 watt
equivalent for the sconce lighting in my theater room.  The first
ones were too bright, even with the dimmer all the way down.
>
> Yes, by all means use LEDs.
>
> -Original Message- From: Tyler Treat via Af
> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 2:00 PM
> To: Animal Farm
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: LED bulbs at home
>
> Anyone using LED replacement bulbs in their house yet?
>
> Seems like a good idea for a couple lights I have that burn
24/7, but at $20/bulb and the CFL debacle, I want to get this
right the first time.
>
> ___
> Mangled by my iPhone.
> ___
>
> Tyler Treat
> Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.
>
> tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com 
> ___
>

Re: [AFMUG] Accuracy of on cable foot markings

[Nate Burke via Af]

I was avoiding the much more sinister 'who's going to miss 1% of the 
cable at that distance'  and when you do that with enough cable the 
beancounters get happy.


Like the automakers marketing the new bubbly styling  where there is no 
headroom as 'aerodynamic' but in reality they just get to save x sqft of 
steel per car by making the dimensions all smaller and rounded, but they 
still charge the same price.


On 11/1/2014 4:33 PM, Sean Heskett via Af wrote:

what's 20 feet amongst friends?!?!



On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Nate Burke via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:


I just got some 5000' spools of Belden 7919a cable in, and looking
at the cable foot markings from both ends of the cable, they're
all about 20' short.  When I get 1000' spools, they've always been
spot on (as far as matching the cable markings) Is this just the
discrepancy in the tolerance of the cable markings at that distance?

[AFMUG] Accuracy of on cable foot markings

[Nate Burke via Af]

I just got some 5000' spools of Belden 7919a cable in, and looking at 
the cable foot markings from both ends of the cable, they're all about 
20' short.  When I get 1000' spools, they've always been spot on (as far 
as matching the cable markings) Is this just the discrepancy in the 
tolerance of the cable markings at that distance?

[AFMUG] OT: Extending Garage Door Remote

[Nate Burke via Af]

I have a double steel garage door with Alumnium siding on the house.  
The Remote's have always been finicky since the opener/door was 
installed, but now I changed the lights in the Opener to LED Bulbs, and 
it's worse.  I have to be right under the opener to use the remote when 
the bulbs are lit (when they're off, it seems to work the same as it 
always has).  Seems that I may need to move/increase gain on the 
antenna.  Some things  I found online talk about running a RG59 cable to 
the outside, but then just soldering the original antenna wire on the 
end of it and just letting it hang outside.  Seems that there should be 
a better way.  Any suggestions?


Nate

Re: [AFMUG] Packet Flux Generator Board Hookup

[Nate Burke via Af]

On each terminal?  Or just a single 240v monitor?  That's the part I'm 
confused on.


Let's take input AC1  There are 2 terminals.

My electric panel has 2 120v legs.

Do I run 1 leg into each terminal, with no neutral connection to the 
board, or 1 leg into 1 terminal, and a neutral into the other?


Nate


On 10/23/2014 4:29 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote:


The inputs are good for 240v.

On Oct 23, 2014 2:06 PM, "Nate Burke via Af" <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:


I have a ticket into Packetflux support, but I thought someone
here might have hooked one up.

On the AC inputs for monitoring line/generator voltage/frequency.
Are the 2 terminals on each AC input for hot/neutral wires?  I.E.
only a single phase 120v system.  Or can you run 2 hots into each
input, for a 2 Wire120/240v system, and it will monitor each leg?
Just wanted to ask before I hook it up wrong and release some
magic smoke.

Nate

[AFMUG] Packet Flux Generator Board Hookup

[Nate Burke via Af]

I have a ticket into Packetflux support, but I thought someone here 
might have hooked one up.


On the AC inputs for monitoring line/generator voltage/frequency. Are 
the 2 terminals on each AC input for hot/neutral wires?  I.E. only a 
single phase 120v system.  Or can you run 2 hots into each input, for a 
2 Wire120/240v system, and it will monitor each leg? Just wanted to ask 
before I hook it up wrong and release some magic smoke.


Nate

[AFMUG] List Admin

[Nate Burke via Af]

Who do we talk to about some Technical questions about the list? Trying 
to get a user subscribed, but it says they're already subscribed.  No 
list email seems to be coming in for them though.


Nate

Re: [AFMUG] Win8 Onedrive

[Nate Burke via Af]

Happened on the 8.1 update.  It's a real treat to try to disable too, 
They don't make it easy



On 10/21/2014 9:00 AM, Wireless Admin via Af wrote:


From what I'm seeing it Looks like Windows 8 has a feature called 
onedrive that automatically copies your "My Documents" to the cloud.  
This feature is active by default.  Wow, There go's the family 
pictures .


Steve B

Re: [AFMUG] some devices won't talk to RB2011 GigE ports?

[Nate Burke via Af]

Are you using the switch chip, or just ROS Bridge?  I have several in 
the field without any issue, but only in ROS Bridge mode, not using the 
switch chip.  If I have to go out tonight and power cycle one though, 
I'm hunting someone down for bringing it up.



On 10/17/2014 5:14 PM, Chris Fabien via Af wrote:
I have seen some device, can't remember what, that was unable to pass 
traffic to the Gig ports on a RB2011 but worked OK on the 10/100 
ports
We have several of these in place as CPE routers and no problem 
reports yet.


On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 5:12 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) 
via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:


Sent a tech to the site and he says... none of the (GigE | FastE)
ports show a link. Power-cycle, fixed. Happened again a couple
hours later so we replaced it.

The another one, he gets there and says the FastE ports show a
link but there's no traffic. Power-cycle, fixed. That one I don't
think we had to replace.

Other times, a port or two won't work. Link might come up or not,
I don't remember. I saw this with a brand-new one out of the box.
Again, power cycle = fix. It's really random and stupid.

Upgraded ROS on a few one time. Couple hours later, two of three
crashed. So now I don't touch them. If one needs to be updated, I
load a new one and just swap it out.

On 10/17/2014 1:57 PM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote:


How did you figure that out?  Does it log something about the
status of the switch controller.


I've had many 2011's appear to crash for no apparent reason.
Come to find out, the switch controllers are what crash from
time to time. Sometimes all of the GigE ports stop working,
other times it's the FastE ports. I'm not a fan of the 2011s at all.

On 10/17/2014 9:44 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

6.13/3.14 on an RB2011iL.
Yeah, likely the customers media converters are not Gig
capable, they are pretty old, it was disconcerting not to be
able to talk at 100M or even 10M though. I’m more worried that
it doesn’t seem to talk to a CTM-2 on a GigE port.  And who
knows what else.
*From:* Nate Burke via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent:* Friday, October 17, 2014 9:32 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] some devices won't talk to RB2011 GigE
ports?
What ROS/Routerboard version?  Does the customers Media
converter auto-negotiate, or does it only work at 1 speed? 
It's been a while since I've used them, but the 1G converters I

had were only 1000base on the Ethernet port, no auto.


On 10/17/2014 9:29 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

Yes, in this case the MT interface reported successfully
negotiating 100 Full, but never counted any rcv packets.
*From:* Adam Moffett via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent:* Friday, October 17, 2014 9:23 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] some devices won't talk to RB2011 GigE
ports?
Wellautonegotiation failures happen sometimes, but
typically those work ok when you force the speed on the link. 
In the case I'm thinking of, we could not get a working link

no matter what.  It was quite awhile ago now, but I think it
would report a link was up while the input counters never
climbed above 0.


We have a couple devices that don't work with Mikrotik
devices at all. Putting a switch in between fixes it
but not ideal.
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Adam Moffett via Af
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

Yes...maybe.  We had somebody not able to get link with
an RB2011. I don't think we ever tried the 10/100 ports. 
The customer ended up getting a different router.



Is there an issue with the GigE ports on Mikrotik
RB2011 not talking to some
devices no matter what settings you try?  I had this
with a customer's
copper/fiber media converter, moved it to a 10/100
port on the 2011 and all
was good.  Now I think I'm seeing the same thing with
a CTM. Setting the
GigE port to only negotiate 100M didn't work, no
amount of playing with the
settings worked, had to physically move it to a
10/100 port.

If this is a known problem and not my imagination,
what other Mikrotik
devices share this issue?  If this had been an 1100
or CCR or CSR, I might
not have had a 10/100 port available and I would have
been stuck.

Re: [AFMUG] some devices won't talk to RB2011 GigE ports?

[Nate Burke via Af]

What ROS/Routerboard version?  Does the customers Media converter 
auto-negotiate, or does it only work at 1 speed?  It's been a while 
since I've used them, but the 1G converters I had were only 1000base on 
the Ethernet port, no auto.



On 10/17/2014 9:29 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
Yes, in this case the MT interface reported successfully negotiating 
100 Full, but never counted any rcv packets.

*From:* Adam Moffett via Af 
*Sent:* Friday, October 17, 2014 9:23 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] some devices won't talk to RB2011 GigE ports?
Wellautonegotiation failures happen sometimes, but typically those 
work ok when you force the speed on the link.  In the case I'm 
thinking of, we could not get a working link no matter what.  It was 
quite awhile ago now, but I think it would report a link was up while 
the input counters never climbed above 0.


We have a couple devices that don't work with Mikrotik devices at 
all. Putting a switch in between fixes it

but not ideal.
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Adam Moffett via Af > wrote:


Yes...maybe.  We had somebody not able to get link with an
RB2011. I don't think we ever tried the 10/100 ports.  The
customer ended up getting a different router.


Is there an issue with the GigE ports on Mikrotik RB2011 not
talking to some
devices no matter what settings you try?  I had this with a
customer's
copper/fiber media converter, moved it to a 10/100 port on
the 2011 and all
was good.  Now I think I'm seeing the same thing with a CTM.
Setting the
GigE port to only negotiate 100M didn't work, no amount of
playing with the
settings worked, had to physically move it to a 10/100 port.

If this is a known problem and not my imagination, what other
Mikrotik
devices share this issue?  If this had been an 1100 or CCR or
CSR, I might
not have had a 10/100 port available and I would have been stuck.

Re: [AFMUG] OT asterisk

[Nate Burke via Af]

Is the *45 getting to the server, or is the dialplan in the voip 
appliance trying to interpret it locally?


On 10/15/2014 6:25 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
Arrgh, cannot get *45 toggle queue login to work.  No voice prompt.  
Extension does not appear in queue.
Static agents work just fine.  Everything else works just fine.  Voice 
prompts, IVR, voicemail etc etc.  Just having zero luck with dynamic 
agents.

Any suggestions.

[AFMUG] VoIP Termination Providers

[Nate Burke via Af]

I'm looking for a backup termination provider to VoIP Innovations, so 
that if VI has an issue, customers can still make outbound calls.  I 
know there are Thousands out there, Just looking for good/bad/ugly 
experiences with any of them.  Or if you're really happy with one.


I'm hitting my VI minimums just in inbound calling, so I could route all 
outbound traffic through a different provider if they require monthly 
minimums.


Nate

Re: [AFMUG] customer needs to upload lots of files ... best way?

[Nate Burke via Af]

How often is he doing this?  We have a customer that uploads geo data, a 
couple gigs at a time.  We have him bring the Data to our office on a 
flash drive and we just upload it for him.  This was good to prove that 
the Receiving server was limiting him at 10mb/s on the upload anyway.  
Now, whenever he has a lot of data to upload, he'll just bring it over 
to the office, and we offload the hours of upload off the Wireless network.


On 10/12/2014 11:05 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
I have a customer who keeps asking for more upload speed because it 
takes too long to upload a bunch of files to his server at a 
datacenter.  He thinks this should not cost a lot because he is just 
"bursting", unfortunately what he wants would require a dedicated link 
from the tower to his house.  He will upload around 100 files when he 
finishes a project and it takes about 20 minutes, apparently that's a 
problem.  What I see when he is uploading is about 50% duty cycle, 
apparently a file uploads, then dead time, then another file.  So I'm 
thinking he first needs to improve how efficiently he uses his 
Internet connection.


He says he is using drag and drop in Windows 7.  I assume this means 
he is using Remote Desktop and using drag and drop within the RDP 
session from his local drive to a drive on the remote server.


Would I be right that RDP drag and drop is not an efficient way to 
transfer lots of files?  (I've never done that myself.)  What would be 
the best way?


Personally, I would just use FTP, maybe create a tar archive first, 
but he is using Windows.  If he needs security, it seems there are 
choices like SFTP, FTPS, SCP.  If HIPAA level security is not 
required, vanilla FTP would avoid the encryption overhead.  I found an 
article on how to set the number of concurrent connections in 
Filezilla to something like 10, would that keep the link 100% 
utilized?  My other FTP client is WS_FTP, I don't know if it can do 
concurrent file transfers.

[AFMUG] Monitoring Diesel fuel level

[Nate Burke via Af]

Anybody had a Diesel tank level monitor that they like?  Preferably 
something that could Wire into a Site Monitor for monitoring. Needing to 
monitor 2 Generator tanks.  one is about 6" deep, 20Gallon.  The other 
is about 24" deep, 50 gallon.


The 6" Tank is Steel and has a cheap float guage.  Something that could 
replace that would be perfect.


The 24" tank is plastic, and has no gauge from what I can tell.

Nate

Re: [AFMUG] name

[Nate Burke via Af]

It's coming... Just like http://www.zombo.com/


On 10/8/2014 11:32 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

So, are you going to tell us?


-Original Message- From: Travis Johnson via Af Sent: Tuesday, 
October 07, 2014 4:31 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] name

Name name... what's in a name?!?!?!?

Rise Broadband is coming...

Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts

[Nate Burke via Af]

Pretty long thread over on the wispa list already.  Looks to be 
widespread, no answers yet from what I saw.




On 10/7/2014 9:04 AM, Darren Shea via Af wrote:

Is anyone else getting inundated with a flood of customers who can't connect to 
the internet through their Belkin routers this
morning?
   
What's the deal with that?,

   Darren

Re: [AFMUG] Where is CNUT on the Cambium Website?

[Nate Burke via Af]

But not having a link to it on their software page.  Oh well, I'm 
not the guy who will have to deal with the Boss next week out in Vegas.




On 10/6/2014 4:11 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af wrote:
Most web sites leverage google to index and provide search for their 
site. You can do google searches like "site:cambiumnetworks.com cnut" 
where it only looks at cambiumnetworks.com. I use this all the time 
for finding stuff on thepiratebay. It's much more reliable than their 
own search.


Matthew Jenkins
SmarterBroadband
m...@sbbinc.net
530.272.4000

On 10/06/2014 02:05 PM, Nate Burke via Af wrote:
oh that's awesome,  And we're trusting them to route packets around 
for us?



On 10/6/2014 4:00 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af wrote:

I couldn't find CNUT easily. A google search turns up:

http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/support/management-tools/cnut

Matthew Jenkins
SmarterBroadband
m...@sbbinc.net
530.272.4000

On 10/06/2014 01:57 PM, Nate Burke via Af wrote:
Did I miss a Memo that CNS is replacing CNUT, or is there a special 
place you have to go to get it? Under Downloads I have access to 
the .pkg3 files for all the platforms, but I can't find anywhere to 
actually download CNUT. Am I missing it, or is it gone?  All I see 
is the CNS Server.


Nate

Re: [AFMUG] Where is CNUT on the Cambium Website?

[Nate Burke via Af]

oh that's awesome,  And we're trusting them to route packets around for us?


On 10/6/2014 4:00 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af wrote:

I couldn't find CNUT easily. A google search turns up:

http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/support/management-tools/cnut

Matthew Jenkins
SmarterBroadband
m...@sbbinc.net
530.272.4000

On 10/06/2014 01:57 PM, Nate Burke via Af wrote:
Did I miss a Memo that CNS is replacing CNUT, or is there a special 
place you have to go to get it? Under Downloads I have access to the 
.pkg3 files for all the platforms, but I can't find anywhere to 
actually download CNUT. Am I missing it, or is it gone?  All I see is 
the CNS Server.


Nate

[AFMUG] Where is CNUT on the Cambium Website?

[Nate Burke via Af]

Did I miss a Memo that CNS is replacing CNUT, or is there a special 
place you have to go to get it?  Under Downloads I have access to the 
.pkg3 files for all the platforms, but I can't find anywhere to actually 
download CNUT.  Am I missing it, or is it gone?  All I see is the CNS 
Server.


Nate

Re: [AFMUG] Efax and Security

[Nate Burke via Af]

The reason that It popped into my head is that I'm working with running 
background checks for people that work with the kids at our church.  I 
have physical copies of the forms people filled out with all kinds of 
personal information, so I was like, I'll just scan them and email them 
into the church office for processing.  Then I decided that sending info 
like that via email probably wasn't a good idea, so I should fax them.  
Then I realized that it's basically the same thing since all my faxing 
is through email.


So that got me thinking, how would I know if my personal information is 
just being sent out via a plain email on the receiving side?  If 
something were to happen, do we have have any liability for not making 
it 'secure'  or do we need to be telling customers up front that the 
security is only as good as email, and have them sign a wavier that we 
don't get sued if their email is hacked and peoples identities are stolen?




On 10/6/2014 9:33 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
I use Ring Central for eFAX, and you can send from an application on 
your computer and read messages via a password protected HTTPS site.  
So you don't have to use email.  You could, for example, have an email 
alert you to a FAX but not attach a PDF.  I just have it email the PDF 
though.  Who cares if someone sees the junk FAX messages I get for 
cruises and roofing.  I don't think I've received a real FAX in 3 
years.  Maybe 2-3 times a year someone wants me to send them a FAX, 
but at their end I assume it is going to an actual FAX machine.  
Unless it is going to the shared multifunction copier and everyone 
sees it or picks it up by mistake.  I think the illusion that FAX is 
secure is just that, an illusion.


There also appear to be secure eFAX solutions that are probably more 
secure than traditional FAX machines:


http://enterprise.efax.com/online-fax-services/secure-fax


-Original Message- From: Nate Burke via Af
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 9:11 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] Efax and Security

So I'm asking the question before one of my customers asks it of me.
Faxing has always been a "secure" transport medium, someone could
intercept your fax only if they had a wiretap running on your phone
line.  With Efax services where everything is done via Email (I use the
Voip Innovations Efax Service), are there more security concerns/risks
since everything is just emailed in the clear?  We've always told
people, don't put your SS# or CC# in an email, but if they go to fax a
credit app or a payment authorization slip through the email to fax
service, isn't that the same thing?  I know someone is going to bring
this up one day, and I want to make sure I have an answer ready to go
for them.

Nate

[AFMUG] Efax and Security

[Nate Burke via Af]

So I'm asking the question before one of my customers asks it of me.  
Faxing has always been a "secure" transport medium, someone could 
intercept your fax only if they had a wiretap running on your phone 
line.  With Efax services where everything is done via Email (I use the 
Voip Innovations Efax Service), are there more security concerns/risks 
since everything is just emailed in the clear?  We've always told 
people, don't put your SS# or CC# in an email, but if they go to fax a 
credit app or a payment authorization slip through the email to fax 
service, isn't that the same thing?  I know someone is going to bring 
this up one day, and I want to make sure I have an answer ready to go 
for them.


Nate

Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Switch Surge Protection Question

[Nate Burke via Af]

You just think that's an LED on his SS board.  Really, it makes the 
entire Cat5 an antenna that transmits statistics back to Beehive 
Manufacturing Central.



On 9/29/2014 6:23 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

It's in the cloud!
No, wait, that's where the surges come from.
*From:* Shayne Lebrun via Af 
*Sent:* Monday, September 29, 2014 6:12 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Switch Surge Protection Question

SSaaS: Surge Supression as a Service.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Conlin via Af
*Sent:* Monday, September 29, 2014 4:59 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Switch Surge Protection Question

If you don't have a surge suppressor then you need a tower climber to 
change the switch.  Either way, a climb is required.


Remember surge  suppressors are not like fuses.  In the sense that 
they don't "blow" with every suppression event. They can shunt some 
spikes to ground, save the switch port, and live to fight another 
day.  If they do give their lives to save the switch then you need a 
climb. But would have likely have needed that climb anyway to replace 
that switch or change ports.  So suppressors at the top will reduce 
the number of climbs although you will never know how many times the 
surge suppressor saved you.


Maybe Chuck should put a strike counter circuit in the suppressor and 
change to a subscription model.  You have to pay for each strike that 
he saved you from.


PC

Blaze Broadband

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini 
via Af

*Sent:* Monday, September 29, 2014 4:16 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Switch Surge Protection Question

That was my first thought, but then it requieres a tower climb to 
change blown supressors..


Gino A. Villarini

President

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

www.aeronetpr.com 

@aeronetpr

*From: *"af@afmug.com " >
*Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com " >

*Date: *Monday, September 29, 2014 at 4:13 PM
*To: *"af@afmug.com " >

*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Switch Surge Protection Question

We do the Beehive APC surges.


Gerard

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Gino Villarini via Af > wrote:


Those putting Switches at the tower top, what kind of protection are 
you using for the Ethernet ports?


Are you using surge suppressors?

I was thinking of using Industrial POE switches at the top, feed DC 
and fiber, then short runs to the radios (epmp and 450 are poe compliant)


Should I go straigt to the radios?

Gino A. Villarini

President

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

www.aeronetpr.com 

@aeronetpr

Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

[Nate Burke via Af]

This is only a couple miles from our office.  They had all the local 
news choppers up in the air over it on Friday.  I was surprised that it 
didn't garner more national coverage.  I guess since it wasn't the 
terror threat of the day, it didn't get any traction.  Just a 
disgruntled employee.  Even the first reports said it was not a 
terrorist act.



On 9/29/2014 4:36 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote:

Oh yeah,

I'm in Chicago for a few days.  Flew in on thursday before this 
happened.   My wife flew in on Saturday and ended up with a nasty 
delay in MSP since there were very very few flights flying into the 
affected area, which basically includes both chicago airports, and the 
two airports up in wisconsin. Thousands of flights cancelled over the 
last couple of days.


That's the big news here.

-forrest

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af > wrote:


Anyone see this?


http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html#.VCnNuOeXtGE


http://www.metafilter.com/143174/ATCSCC-ADVZY-020-DCC-ZAU-09-26-2014-ZAU-GROUND-STOP



On Friday, ATCSCC Advisory 20 of 26-Sep-2014 went out. When
operators, controllers and airport managers saw the title, a gasp
of disbelief was heard. The problem was simple enough to state in
three words, and complex enough to cancel thousand of flights and
cost hundred of millions of dollars: ZAU ATC ZERO

.

ZAU

is the call sign of the Chicago Air Rout Traffic Control Center
(ARTCC), which covers
 northern
Illinois and Indiana, southern Wisconsin, western Iowa, and south
eastern Michigan. There are two "sides" at an ARTCC. ZAU-LO handed
traffic destined for airports in the covered area, ZAU-HI handled
traffic overflying. Both were amongst the busiest in the country.
ZAU-HI was busy with traffic from the east to west, as well as
European traffic heading to Houston and Dallas-FW, ZAU-LO had to
feed in traffic from airports like GYY
,
MKE
,
RFD
,
PIA

,
and the two busiest airports in the area; Chicago Midway
International
 and
O'Hare International
, one
of the busiest airports in the world.

On Friday morning, Brian Howard, a contract employee of the FAA
and holding full credentials to the ZAU datacenters, set a fire in
the telecom room, destroying 23 of the 29


rack and disconnecting all the controller stations from the
associated radars and radio transmitters needed to watch and guide
traffic through the busy sector. As the consoles dropped offline,
the ZAU duty manager had no choice -- they called ZZZ, the FAA
command center  and
reported ATC ZERO -- no controllers available, control center
offline.

Re: [AFMUG] Physically Hooking up Voip Lines

[Nate Burke via Af]

face mount boxes, there are cheap boxes
with screw terminals or I like the ones with 110 punchdown
terminals.  And you definitely need red and yellow Scotchloks,
those are what kill me, no matter how many I buy, I can't find
where I put them, so I end up buying more.  I must have
thousands of Scothloks squirreled away by now, I think they go
    to the land of missing socks.


-Original Message- From: Nate Burke via Af
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 11:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Physically Hooking up Voip Lines


I'm interested in how people are doing physical Residential VoIP
Installs.  Do you just provide the ATA and let the customer
figure it
out, or do you physically hook it into the house wiring for
them?  We're
doing more and more, and it seems like it takes almost as much
time to
do the Wireless install as it does to install the ATA.  By the
time you
track down the house wires, disconnect them from the PSTN, run
a wire
from the ATA to where you can tie into the house wiring (not
always
close by), and then wire the ATA in.  The one's we're
converting all
seem to have several corded phones they still want to use.

Also, how do you cover the crossover time between installation and
Number port.  Business customer are one thing, I have them
setup the
call forwarding feature at the ILEC, and forward calls to a
temporary
DID until the port happens.  But trying to get an older person
to call
the ILEC and understand what they need to ask for (and not get
sucked
into a new contract) is much more difficult.

I'm not sure how Vonage does it, do they walk people through
tracing
down cables over the phone?  Or once the number port happens, they
presume the ILEC port is dead, so then they just have the
customer plug
it in to any wall jack?

Nate

Re: [AFMUG] Physically hardened routers for tower installation

[Nate Burke via Af]

Do they always fail after storms, or are you just seeing ports randomly 
fail?  I used to have ports fail after storms with the 4xx series, but 
with 700's, 1100's, 2011's, and CRS, haven't seen any issues.  Unless 
the site took a direct or near hit, then all bets are off.


Nate

On 9/27/2014 11:29 AM, Nicholas Eastman via Af wrote:
We have been using Mikrotiks (RB110AHx2) for tower sites that we have 
put in place over the past couple years. With that being said, we have 
started to notice more and more ports failing even with surge 
suppression in place. I know that certain issues are unavoidable, but 
it has brought up the age old "Is there something better?" question. 
So, I pose it to the mailing list. What is everyone using in terms of 
tower routers? Does anyone know of a product (mikrotik based or other) 
that would possibly be a little more resilient within a close price 
range to the Tiks?


Nicholas Eastman
Royell Communications, Inc.
(217) 965-3699
1-877-400-9319
nic.east...@royell.org 

[AFMUG] Physically Hooking up Voip Lines

[Nate Burke via Af]

I'm interested in how people are doing physical Residential VoIP 
Installs.  Do you just provide the ATA and let the customer figure it 
out, or do you physically hook it into the house wiring for them?  We're 
doing more and more, and it seems like it takes almost as much time to 
do the Wireless install as it does to install the ATA.  By the time you 
track down the house wires, disconnect them from the PSTN, run a wire 
from the ATA to where you can tie into the house wiring (not always 
close by), and then wire the ATA in.  The one's we're converting all 
seem to have several corded phones they still want to use.


Also, how do you cover the crossover time between installation and 
Number port.  Business customer are one thing, I have them setup the 
call forwarding feature at the ILEC, and forward calls to a temporary 
DID until the port happens.  But trying to get an older person to call 
the ILEC and understand what they need to ask for (and not get sucked 
into a new contract) is much more difficult.


I'm not sure how Vonage does it, do they walk people through tracing 
down cables over the phone?  Or once the number port happens, they 
presume the ILEC port is dead, so then they just have the customer plug 
it in to any wall jack?


Nate

Re: [AFMUG] PC Remote control client for IPhone

[Nate Burke via Af]

Sounds like Teamviewer got the most votes.  I'll give it a shot.

Thanks,
Nate


On 9/19/2014 6:16 AM, timothy steele via Af wrote:

I use teamviewer best free option out there

I used logmein before it was much more user friendly for none tech 
savvy people but you have to pay for the logmein service now

---
Sent from Mailbox <https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox>


On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 1:04 AM, That One Guy via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:


the two people i know using the logmein app swear by it, its dirt
cheap too

On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 12:01 AM, Nate Burke via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

I have a customer (non Technical Farmer) who needs to be able
to remote control a PC from his IPhone to view/control his
Grain Drier.  What's out there that's easy to use/setup, and
is compatible with an IPhone.  He will be logging into a PC. 
Modest cost won't be an issue if it will work well.


Nate




-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember

that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you.
Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a
reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance
manual, 1925

[AFMUG] PC Remote control client for IPhone

[Nate Burke via Af]

I have a customer (non Technical Farmer) who needs to be able to remote 
control a PC from his IPhone to view/control his Grain Drier.  What's 
out there that's easy to use/setup, and is compatible with an IPhone.  
He will be logging into a PC.  Modest cost won't be an issue if it will 
work well.


Nate

Re: [AFMUG] Thanks to Paul and his Tech

[Nate Burke via Af]

I think the better analogy is 'this straw is too small'  They think the 
internet is like getting a Double Big Gulp from 7-11, and even though 
they ever only sip it, They want, no NEED, a straw big enough to down 4 
liters in 10 seconds.



On 9/16/2014 11:04 AM, Mathew Howard via Af wrote:

If their only complaint is that there's no bendy straw, I consider that a good 
day! :-P

From: Af [af-bounces+mathew=litewire@afmug.com] on behalf of Ken Hohhof via 
Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 10:38 AM
To: Nate Burke; Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Thanks to Paul and his Tech

But we should all be immune to this by now, it's a day in the life of a
WISP.  Doesn't every day leave you feeling like you brought people a cool
drink in the middle of the desert for less than it cost you, and their
response is "what, no bendy straw?"

Plus there's the sidewalk supervisor effect.  It's human nature to watch and
critique the efforts of the guy who actually stepped up and offered to do
something.  Plus thanks to the Internet, you can be a sidewalk supervisor
without even having to go outside and stand on the sidewalk.

So Paul, where's my bendy straw!!!


-Original Message-
From: Nate Burke via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 10:20 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] Thanks to Paul and his Tech

I just wanted to say a Thank you to Paul and his Tech(s) for the work
they've done for the list over the last couple days.  I'm willing to
take a deep breath while they work on the tweaks and get it sorted out.
In a few days we'll be back to our normal banter.

All of us have experienced the trade off of 'Do you answer the phone, or
keep working on the problem'.  It seems that's what Paul is doing.

Nate

[AFMUG] Thanks to Paul and his Tech

[Nate Burke via Af]

I just wanted to say a Thank you to Paul and his Tech(s) for the work 
they've done for the list over the last couple days.  I'm willing to 
take a deep breath while they work on the tweaks and get it sorted out.  
In a few days we'll be back to our normal banter.


All of us have experienced the trade off of 'Do you answer the phone, or 
keep working on the problem'.  It seems that's what Paul is doing.


Nate