[AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Paul McCall via Af]

Guys,

We installed some updates in the middle of the night to fix the FROM problem.  
There a couple tweaks that will be done today.  My tech on the project is now 
sleeping as we worked during the night.

PLEASE BE PATIENT.

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[cstanners--- via Af]

Thank you Paul, PDMNet and tech for your work and dedication.

--Original Message--
From: Paul McCall via Af
Sender: Af
To: af@afmug.com
ReplyTo: Paul McCall
ReplyTo: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments
Sent: Sep 16, 2014 7:43 AM

Guys,

We installed some updates in the middle of the night to fix the FROM problem.  
There a couple tweaks that will be done today.  My tech on the project is now 
sleeping as we worked during the night.

PLEASE BE PATIENT.

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com/>
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[CBB - Jay Fuller via Af]

You should try sleepingI hear its good for you :) 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Paul McCall via Af" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments
Date: Tue, Sep 16, 2014 7:43 AM


Guys,

We installed some updates in the middle of the night to fix the FROM problem.  
There a couple tweaks that will be done today.  My tech on the project is now 
sleeping as we worked during the night.

PLEASE BE PATIENT.

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com/>
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Rory Conaway via Af]

Looking good.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf
Of Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 5:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Guys,

We installed some updates in the middle of the night to fix the FROM
problem.  There a couple tweaks that will be done today.  My tech on the
project is now sleeping as we worked during the night.

PLEASE BE PATIENT.

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com/>
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Mike Hammett via Af]

Not complaining, just a note. Can the reply-to be changed to just have AF and 
not the original sender as well? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: "Paul McCall via Af"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 7:43:02 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments 

Guys, 

We installed some updates in the middle of the night to fix the FROM problem. 
There a couple tweaks that will be done today. My tech on the project is now 
sleeping as we worked during the night. 

PLEASE BE PATIENT. 

Paul McCall, Pres. 
PDMNet / Florida Broadband 
658 Old Dixie Highway 
Vero Beach, FL 32962 
772-564-6800 office 
772-473-0352 cell 
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com/> 
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net> 

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Adam Moffett via Af]

I second the motion.

Not complaining, just a note. Can the reply-to be changed to just have AF and 
not the original sender as well?




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



- Original Message -

From: "Paul McCall via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 7:43:02 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Guys,

We installed some updates in the middle of the night to fix the FROM problem. 
There a couple tweaks that will be done today. My tech on the project is now 
sleeping as we worked during the night.

PLEASE BE PATIENT.

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com/>
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Colin Stanners via Af]

I assume the issue then is how do yo indicate the original sender's e-mail
address?

On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 7:59 AM, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:

> Not complaining, just a note. Can the reply-to be changed to just have AF
> and not the original sender as well?
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> From: "Paul McCall via Af" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 7:43:02 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments
>
> Guys,
>
> We installed some updates in the middle of the night to fix the FROM
> problem. There a couple tweaks that will be done today. My tech on the
> project is now sleeping as we worked during the night.
>
> PLEASE BE PATIENT.
>
> Paul McCall, Pres.
> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
> 772-564-6800 office
> 772-473-0352 cell
> www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com/>
> pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Mike Hammett via Af]

I'm not sure of how to do it, but that's how every other list works. *shrugs* 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: "Colin Stanners"  
To: "Mike Hammett" , "Animal Farm"  
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 8:36:32 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments 


I assume the issue then is how do yo indicate the original sender's e-mail 
address? 



On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 7:59 AM, Mike Hammett via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 


Not complaining, just a note. Can the reply-to be changed to just have AF and 
not the original sender as well? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message - 

From: "Paul McCall via Af" < af@afmug.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 7:43:02 AM 


Subject: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments 

Guys, 

We installed some updates in the middle of the night to fix the FROM problem. 
There a couple tweaks that will be done today. My tech on the project is now 
sleeping as we worked during the night. 

PLEASE BE PATIENT. 

Paul McCall, Pres. 
PDMNet / Florida Broadband 
658 Old Dixie Highway 
Vero Beach, FL 32962 
772-564-6800 office 
772-473-0352 cell 
www.pdmnet.com < http://www.pdmnet.com/ > 
pa...@pdmnet.net  

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Adam Moffett via Af]

Same way it's always been done.
From = original sender
Reply-to = list

That way when I click reply, you won't get the message twice...just like 
you're about to get this one twice.



I assume the issue then is how do yo indicate the original sender's e-mail
address?

On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 7:59 AM, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:


Not complaining, just a note. Can the reply-to be changed to just have AF
and not the original sender as well?




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



- Original Message -

From: "Paul McCall via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 7:43:02 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Guys,

We installed some updates in the middle of the night to fix the FROM
problem. There a couple tweaks that will be done today. My tech on the
project is now sleeping as we worked during the night.

PLEASE BE PATIENT.

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com/>
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Paul McCall via Af]

Guys, 

We are fully aware of the extra TO:  it will NOT stay that way as soon as 
the tech wakes up... he'll be in by 1pm

Paul

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam 
Moffett via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:51 AM
To: Colin Stanners; Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments


Same way it's always been done.
 From = original sender
Reply-to = list

That way when I click reply, you won't get the message twice...just like you're 
about to get this one twice.

> I assume the issue then is how do yo indicate the original sender's 
> e-mail address?
>
> On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 7:59 AM, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:
>
>> Not complaining, just a note. Can the reply-to be changed to just 
>> have AF and not the original sender as well?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -----
>>
>> From: "Paul McCall via Af" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 7:43:02 AM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments
>>
>> Guys,
>>
>> We installed some updates in the middle of the night to fix the FROM 
>> problem. There a couple tweaks that will be done today. My tech on 
>> the project is now sleeping as we worked during the night.
>>
>> PLEASE BE PATIENT.
>>
>> Paul McCall, Pres.
>> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>> 772-564-6800 office
>> 772-473-0352 cell
>> www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com/>
>> pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Colin Stanners via Af]

>From what I understood, the issue was that Amazon didn't let you fake
(change from af@afmug.com) the from: value, likely a spam prevention
measure. But as Paul said, they will be more improvements when the tech
comes in and I'm sure this can be fixed.

On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 8:48 AM, Adam Moffett 
wrote:

>
> Same way it's always been done.
> From = original sender
> Reply-to = list
>
> That way when I click reply, you won't get the message twice...just like
> you're about to get this one twice.
>
>
>  I assume the issue then is how do yo indicate the original sender's e-mail
>> address?
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 7:59 AM, Mike Hammett via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Not complaining, just a note. Can the reply-to be changed to just have AF
>>> and not the original sender as well?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>>
>>> From: "Paul McCall via Af" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 7:43:02 AM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments
>>>
>>> Guys,
>>>
>>> We installed some updates in the middle of the night to fix the FROM
>>> problem. There a couple tweaks that will be done today. My tech on the
>>> project is now sleeping as we worked during the night.
>>>
>>> PLEASE BE PATIENT.
>>>
>>> Paul McCall, Pres.
>>> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>> 772-564-6800 office
>>> 772-473-0352 cell
>>> www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com/>
>>> pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Ken Hohhof via Af]

Now the From is

"Colin Stanners via Af" 

which I think is actually worse, since that's your name but not your email 
address, it's bound to cause problems.  Plus now we have the double replies, 
to get your actual email address to show up somewhere.


I think Mike is right, we need the standard list behavior, where From: has 
the sender's email, and both To: and Reply To: is the list address.  If that 
is something Amazon prohibits, it's an annoyance for sure and maybe a deal 
killer.



-Original Message- 
From: Colin Stanners via Af

Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:09 AM
Cc: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments


From what I understood, the issue was that Amazon didn't let you fake

(change from af@afmug.com) the from: value, likely a spam prevention
measure. But as Paul said, they will be more improvements when the tech
comes in and I'm sure this can be fixed.

On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 8:48 AM, Adam Moffett 
wrote:



Same way it's always been done.
From = original sender
Reply-to = list

That way when I click reply, you won't get the message twice...just like
you're about to get this one twice.


 I assume the issue then is how do yo indicate the original sender's 
e-mail

address?

On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 7:59 AM, Mike Hammett via Af 
wrote:

 Not complaining, just a note. Can the reply-to be changed to just have 
AF

and not the original sender as well?




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



- Original Message -

From: "Paul McCall via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 7:43:02 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Guys,

We installed some updates in the middle of the night to fix the FROM
problem. There a couple tweaks that will be done today. My tech on the
project is now sleeping as we worked during the night.

PLEASE BE PATIENT.

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com/>
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Bill Prince via Af]

Thunderchicken has a "Reply List", which I always use.  Avoids the 
double reply.


bp

On 9/16/2014 7:38 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

Now the From is

"Colin Stanners via Af" 

which I think is actually worse, since that's your name but not your 
email address, it's bound to cause problems.  Plus now we have the 
double replies, to get your actual email address to show up somewhere.


I think Mike is right, we need the standard list behavior, where From: 
has the sender's email, and both To: and Reply To: is the list 
address.  If that is something Amazon prohibits, it's an annoyance for 
sure and maybe a deal killer.



-Original Message- From: Colin Stanners via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:09 AM
Cc: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments


From what I understood, the issue was that Amazon didn't let you fake

(change from af@afmug.com) the from: value, likely a spam prevention
measure. But as Paul said, they will be more improvements when the tech
comes in and I'm sure this can be fixed.

On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 8:48 AM, Adam Moffett 
wrote:



Same way it's always been done.
From = original sender
Reply-to = list

That way when I click reply, you won't get the message twice...just like
you're about to get this one twice.


 I assume the issue then is how do yo indicate the original sender's 
e-mail

address?

On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 7:59 AM, Mike Hammett via Af 
wrote:

 Not complaining, just a note. Can the reply-to be changed to just 
have AF

and not the original sender as well?




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



- Original Message -

From: "Paul McCall via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 7:43:02 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Guys,

We installed some updates in the middle of the night to fix the FROM
problem. There a couple tweaks that will be done today. My tech on the
project is now sleeping as we worked during the night.

PLEASE BE PATIENT.

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com/>
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Paul McCall via Af]

LOL. Does anybody actually READ my posts about the status ?

Relax...  what's on TV?  How's your network doing?  Take a selfie, watch some 
funny Cat videos :)

Many tweaks will be made today :)

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof 
via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 10:38 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Now the From is

"Colin Stanners via Af" 

which I think is actually worse, since that's your name but not your email 
address, it's bound to cause problems.  Plus now we have the double replies, to 
get your actual email address to show up somewhere.

I think Mike is right, we need the standard list behavior, where From: has the 
sender's email, and both To: and Reply To: is the list address.  If that is 
something Amazon prohibits, it's an annoyance for sure and maybe a deal killer.


-Original Message-
From: Colin Stanners via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:09 AM
Cc: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

>From what I understood, the issue was that Amazon didn't let you fake
(change from af@afmug.com) the from: value, likely a spam prevention measure. 
But as Paul said, they will be more improvements when the tech comes in and I'm 
sure this can be fixed.

On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 8:48 AM, Adam Moffett 
wrote:

>
> Same way it's always been done.
> From = original sender
> Reply-to = list
>
> That way when I click reply, you won't get the message twice...just 
> like you're about to get this one twice.
>
>
>  I assume the issue then is how do yo indicate the original sender's 
> e-mail
>> address?
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 7:59 AM, Mike Hammett via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Not complaining, just a note. Can the reply-to be changed to just 
>> have AF
>>> and not the original sender as well?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>>
>>> From: "Paul McCall via Af" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 7:43:02 AM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments
>>>
>>> Guys,
>>>
>>> We installed some updates in the middle of the night to fix the FROM 
>>> problem. There a couple tweaks that will be done today. My tech on 
>>> the project is now sleeping as we worked during the night.
>>>
>>> PLEASE BE PATIENT.
>>>
>>> Paul McCall, Pres.
>>> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>> 772-564-6800 office
>>> 772-473-0352 cell
>>> www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com/>
>>> pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
> 

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[CBB - Jay Fuller via Af]

I read them Paul :)
  - Original Message - 
  From: Paul McCall via Af 
  To: Ken Hohhof ; Animal Farm 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:56 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments


  LOL. Does anybody actually READ my posts about the status ?

  Relax...  what's on TV?  How's your network doing?  Take a selfie, watch some 
funny Cat videos :)

  Many tweaks will be made today :)

  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken 
Hohhof via Af
  Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 10:38 AM
  To: Animal Farm
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

  Now the From is

  "Colin Stanners via Af" 

  which I think is actually worse, since that's your name but not your email 
address, it's bound to cause problems.  Plus now we have the double replies, to 
get your actual email address to show up somewhere.

  I think Mike is right, we need the standard list behavior, where From: has 
the sender's email, and both To: and Reply To: is the list address.  If that is 
something Amazon prohibits, it's an annoyance for sure and maybe a deal killer.


  -Original Message-
  From: Colin Stanners via Af
  Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:09 AM
  Cc: Animal Farm
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

  >From what I understood, the issue was that Amazon didn't let you fake
  (change from af@afmug.com) the from: value, likely a spam prevention measure. 
But as Paul said, they will be more improvements when the tech comes in and I'm 
sure this can be fixed.

  On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 8:48 AM, Adam Moffett 
  wrote:

  >
  > Same way it's always been done.
  > From = original sender
  > Reply-to = list
  >
  > That way when I click reply, you won't get the message twice...just 
  > like you're about to get this one twice.
  >
  >
  >  I assume the issue then is how do yo indicate the original sender's 
  > e-mail
  >> address?
  >>
  >> On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 7:59 AM, Mike Hammett via Af 
  >> wrote:
  >>
  >>  Not complaining, just a note. Can the reply-to be changed to just 
  >> have AF
  >>> and not the original sender as well?
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> -
  >>> Mike Hammett
  >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
  >>> http://www.ics-il.com
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> - Original Message -
  >>>
  >>> From: "Paul McCall via Af" 
  >>> To: af@afmug.com
  >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 7:43:02 AM
  >>> Subject: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments
  >>>
  >>> Guys,
  >>>
  >>> We installed some updates in the middle of the night to fix the FROM 
  >>> problem. There a couple tweaks that will be done today. My tech on 
  >>> the project is now sleeping as we worked during the night.
  >>>
  >>> PLEASE BE PATIENT.
  >>>
  >>> Paul McCall, Pres.
  >>> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
  >>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
  >>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
  >>> 772-564-6800 office
  >>> 772-473-0352 cell
  >>> www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com/>
  >>> pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  > 

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Jaime Solorza via Af]

Thanks

Jaime Solorza
On Sep 16, 2014 6:43 AM, "Paul McCall via Af"  wrote:

> Guys,
>
> We installed some updates in the middle of the night to fix the FROM
> problem.  There a couple tweaks that will be done today.  My tech on the
> project is now sleeping as we worked during the night.
>
> PLEASE BE PATIENT.
>
> Paul McCall, Pres.
> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
> 772-564-6800 office
> 772-473-0352 cell
> www.pdmnet.com
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Curtis Brotherton via Af]

I have also fixed the annoying 'Reply To' issue, where it was replying to the 
original poster AND the list.

It now only reply's to the list.
--

Curtis Brotherton
PDMNet
(772) 564-6800





-Original Message-
From: Jaime Solorza via Af 
mailto:jaime%20solorza%20via%20af%20%3...@afmug.com%3e>>
Reply-to: 
To: Animal Farm mailto:animal%20farm%20%3...@afmug.com%3e>>, Paul 
McCall mailto:paul%20mccall%20%3cpa...@pdmnet.net%3e>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 20:09:24 +



Thanks

Jaime Solorza
On Sep 16, 2014 6:43 AM, "Paul McCall via Af" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

> Guys,
>
> We installed some updates in the middle of the night to fix the FROM
> problem.  There a couple tweaks that will be done today.  My tech on the
> project is now sleeping as we worked during the night.
>
> PLEASE BE PATIENT.
>
> Paul McCall, Pres.
> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
> 772-564-6800 office
> 772-473-0352 cell
> www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com><http://www.pdmnet.com/>
> pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net><mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Mike Hammett via Af]

*slow clap* 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: "Curtis Brotherton via Af"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 3:34:33 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments 

I have also fixed the annoying 'Reply To' issue, where it was replying to the 
original poster AND the list. 

It now only reply's to the list. 
-- 
 
Curtis Brotherton 
PDMNet 
(772) 564-6800 





-Original Message- 
From: Jaime Solorza via Af 
mailto:jaime%20solorza%20via%20af%20%3...@afmug.com%3e>> 
Reply-to:  
To: Animal Farm mailto:animal%20farm%20%3...@afmug.com%3e>>, Paul 
McCall mailto:paul%20mccall%20%3cpa...@pdmnet.net%3e>> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments 
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 20:09:24 + 



Thanks 

Jaime Solorza 
On Sep 16, 2014 6:43 AM, "Paul McCall via Af" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote: 

> Guys, 
> 
> We installed some updates in the middle of the night to fix the FROM 
> problem. There a couple tweaks that will be done today. My tech on the 
> project is now sleeping as we worked during the night. 
> 
> PLEASE BE PATIENT. 
> 
> Paul McCall, Pres. 
> PDMNet / Florida Broadband 
> 658 Old Dixie Highway 
> Vero Beach, FL 32962 
> 772-564-6800 office 
> 772-473-0352 cell 
> www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com><http://www.pdmnet.com/> 
> pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net><mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net> 
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Ryan Ray via Af]

Looks way better now. Thanks Paul


On Tuesday, September 16, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:

> *slow clap*
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> From: "Curtis Brotherton via Af" >
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 3:34:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments
>
> I have also fixed the annoying 'Reply To' issue, where it was replying to
> the original poster AND the list.
>
> It now only reply's to the list.
> --
> 
> Curtis Brotherton
> PDMNet
> (772) 564-6800
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jaime Solorza via Af  jaime%20solorza%20via%20af%20%3...@afmug.com %3e>>
> Reply-to: >
> To: Animal Farm  animal%20farm%20%3...@afmug.com %3e>>, Paul McCall <
> pa...@pdmnet.net <mailto:paul%20mccall%20%3cpa...@pdmnet.net
> %3e>>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments
> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 20:09:24 +
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Jaime Solorza
> On Sep 16, 2014 6:43 AM, "Paul McCall via Af" 
> <mailto:af@afmug.com >> wrote:
>
> > Guys,
> >
> > We installed some updates in the middle of the night to fix the FROM
> > problem. There a couple tweaks that will be done today. My tech on the
> > project is now sleeping as we worked during the night.
> >
> > PLEASE BE PATIENT.
> >
> > Paul McCall, Pres.
> > PDMNet / Florida Broadband
> > 658 Old Dixie Highway
> > Vero Beach, FL 32962
> > 772-564-6800 office
> > 772-473-0352 cell
> > www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com><http://www.pdmnet.com/>
> > pa...@pdmnet.net <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net 
> ><mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net >
> >
> >
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Matt Jenkins via Af]

Unless you sign your name to the email, there isn't any way of seeing 
who its from.



On 09/16/2014 03:15 PM, Ryan Ray via Af wrote:

Looks way better now. Thanks Paul


On Tuesday, September 16, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:


*slow clap*




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



- Original Message -

From: "Curtis Brotherton via Af" >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 3:34:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

I have also fixed the annoying 'Reply To' issue, where it was replying to
the original poster AND the list.

It now only reply's to the list.
--

Curtis Brotherton
PDMNet
(772) 564-6800





-Original Message-
From: Jaime Solorza via Af %3e>>
Reply-to: >
To: Animal Farm %3e>>, Paul McCall <
pa...@pdmnet.net <mailto:paul%20mccall%20%3cpa...@pdmnet.net
%3e>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 20:09:24 +



Thanks

Jaime Solorza
On Sep 16, 2014 6:43 AM, "Paul McCall via Af" 
<mailto:af@afmug.com >> wrote:


Guys,

We installed some updates in the middle of the night to fix the FROM
problem. There a couple tweaks that will be done today. My tech on the
project is now sleeping as we worked during the night.

PLEASE BE PATIENT.

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com><http://www.pdmnet.com/>
pa...@pdmnet.net <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net 
<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net >

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Paul McCall via Af]

Matt,

I looked at all the threads for the past few hours, and I see who it is coming 
from each time.

However, it does not show their email address... we can add that back into the 
body of the message I believe.  That is how we had it yesterday, but the 
upgrade "undid" that.

Thanks!

Paul

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Unless you sign your name to the email, there isn't any way of seeing who its 
from.


On 09/16/2014 03:15 PM, Ryan Ray via Af wrote:
> Looks way better now. Thanks Paul
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 16, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:
>
>> *slow clap*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>>
>> From: "Curtis Brotherton via Af" >
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 3:34:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments
>>
>> I have also fixed the annoying 'Reply To' issue, where it was replying to
>> the original poster AND the list.
>>
>> It now only reply's to the list.
>> --
>> 
>> Curtis Brotherton
>> PDMNet
>> (772) 564-6800
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Jaime Solorza via Af > jaime%20solorza%20via%20af%20%3...@afmug.com %3e>>
>> Reply-to: >
>> To: Animal Farm > animal%20farm%20%3...@afmug.com %3e>>, Paul McCall <
>> pa...@pdmnet.net <mailto:paul%20mccall%20%3cpa...@pdmnet.net
>> %3e>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments
>> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 20:09:24 +
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> On Sep 16, 2014 6:43 AM, "Paul McCall via Af" 
>> <mailto:af@afmug.com >> wrote:
>>
>>> Guys,
>>>
>>> We installed some updates in the middle of the night to fix the FROM
>>> problem. There a couple tweaks that will be done today. My tech on the
>>> project is now sleeping as we worked during the night.
>>>
>>> PLEASE BE PATIENT.
>>>
>>> Paul McCall, Pres.
>>> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>> 772-564-6800 office
>>> 772-473-0352 cell
>>> www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com><http://www.pdmnet.com/>
>>> pa...@pdmnet.net <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net 
>>> <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net >
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Mike Hammett via Af]

I think he means that the From address isn't actually the sender of the e-mail. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: "Paul McCall via Af"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:53:09 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments 

Matt, 

I looked at all the threads for the past few hours, and I see who it is coming 
from each time. 

However, it does not show their email address... we can add that back into the 
body of the message I believe. That is how we had it yesterday, but the upgrade 
"undid" that. 

Thanks! 

Paul 

-Original Message- 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins via Af 
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:24 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments 

Unless you sign your name to the email, there isn't any way of seeing who its 
from. 


On 09/16/2014 03:15 PM, Ryan Ray via Af wrote: 
> Looks way better now. Thanks Paul 
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, September 16, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote: 
> 
>> *slow clap* 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - 
>> Mike Hammett 
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> http://www.ics-il.com 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message - 
>> 
>> From: "Curtis Brotherton via Af" > 
>> To: af@afmug.com  
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 3:34:33 PM 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments 
>> 
>> I have also fixed the annoying 'Reply To' issue, where it was replying to 
>> the original poster AND the list. 
>> 
>> It now only reply's to the list. 
>> -- 
>>  
>> Curtis Brotherton 
>> PDMNet 
>> (772) 564-6800 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message----- 
>> From: Jaime Solorza via Af > jaime%20solorza%20via%20af%20%3...@afmug.com %3e>> 
>> Reply-to: > 
>> To: Animal Farm > animal%20farm%20%3...@afmug.com %3e>>, Paul McCall < 
>> pa...@pdmnet.net <mailto:paul%20mccall%20%3cpa...@pdmnet.net 
>> %3e>> 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments 
>> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 20:09:24 + 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks 
>> 
>> Jaime Solorza 
>> On Sep 16, 2014 6:43 AM, "Paul McCall via Af"  
>> <mailto:af@afmug.com >> wrote: 
>> 
>>> Guys, 
>>> 
>>> We installed some updates in the middle of the night to fix the FROM 
>>> problem. There a couple tweaks that will be done today. My tech on the 
>>> project is now sleeping as we worked during the night. 
>>> 
>>> PLEASE BE PATIENT. 
>>> 
>>> Paul McCall, Pres. 
>>> PDMNet / Florida Broadband 
>>> 658 Old Dixie Highway 
>>> Vero Beach, FL 32962 
>>> 772-564-6800 office 
>>> 772-473-0352 cell 
>>> www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com><http://www.pdmnet.com/> 
>>> pa...@pdmnet.net <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net  
>>> <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net > 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Paul McCall via Af]

The From address  wasn’t the sender on the old list either.  

However, the old list said did say something like this...   af@afmug.com; on 
behalf of; Bill Prince   in the from.

Whereas the new list doesn’t show the .  

For the moment, I believe that we will put that back in the body soon ...   
like this... --- [ Bill Prince  wrote ]




-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

I think he means that the From address isn't actually the sender of the e-mail. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: "Paul McCall via Af"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:53:09 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments 

Matt, 

I looked at all the threads for the past few hours, and I see who it is coming 
from each time. 

However, it does not show their email address... we can add that back into the 
body of the message I believe. That is how we had it yesterday, but the upgrade 
"undid" that. 

Thanks! 

Paul 

-Original Message- 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins via Af 
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:24 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments 

Unless you sign your name to the email, there isn't any way of seeing who its 
from. 


On 09/16/2014 03:15 PM, Ryan Ray via Af wrote: 
> Looks way better now. Thanks Paul 
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, September 16, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote: 
> 
>> *slow clap* 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - 
>> Mike Hammett 
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> http://www.ics-il.com 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message - 
>> 
>> From: "Curtis Brotherton via Af" > 
>> To: af@afmug.com  
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 3:34:33 PM 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments 
>> 
>> I have also fixed the annoying 'Reply To' issue, where it was replying to 
>> the original poster AND the list. 
>> 
>> It now only reply's to the list. 
>> -- 
>>  
>> Curtis Brotherton 
>> PDMNet 
>> (772) 564-6800 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message----- 
>> From: Jaime Solorza via Af > jaime%20solorza%20via%20af%20%3...@afmug.com %3e>> 
>> Reply-to: > 
>> To: Animal Farm > animal%20farm%20%3...@afmug.com %3e>>, Paul McCall < 
>> pa...@pdmnet.net <mailto:paul%20mccall%20%3cpa...@pdmnet.net 
>> %3e>> 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments 
>> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 20:09:24 + 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks 
>> 
>> Jaime Solorza 
>> On Sep 16, 2014 6:43 AM, "Paul McCall via Af"  
>> <mailto:af@afmug.com >> wrote: 
>> 
>>> Guys, 
>>> 
>>> We installed some updates in the middle of the night to fix the FROM 
>>> problem. There a couple tweaks that will be done today. My tech on the 
>>> project is now sleeping as we worked during the night. 
>>> 
>>> PLEASE BE PATIENT. 
>>> 
>>> Paul McCall, Pres. 
>>> PDMNet / Florida Broadband 
>>> 658 Old Dixie Highway 
>>> Vero Beach, FL 32962 
>>> 772-564-6800 office 
>>> 772-473-0352 cell 
>>> www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com><http://www.pdmnet.com/> 
>>> pa...@pdmnet.net <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net  
>>> <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net > 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Paul McCall via Af]

Seth, 

I don’t disagree with what you are showing in your attachment.   However, the 
user by itself  doesn’t show as the From under Outlook or Gmail, which shows 
af@afmug.com  (on behalf of Josh Reynolds  ).  It simply 
shows the person's name as the sender (as it does now)

It is not immediately possible (or needed IMO) to show that "on behalf part" in 
the same way.   When you click Reply, it replies to AF@AFMUG.COM like it did 
before.

I think we are talking about subtle "shades" as far as that topic goes.  We 
haven’t looked at Thunderbird yet, and that may change our opinion..

One step at a time :)

Thanks for your continued input Seth!

Paul

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 11:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

On 9/16/14, 8:14 PM, Paul McCall via Af wrote:
> The From address  wasn’t the sender on the old list either.


Sure it was. The "From" header is very clearly the sender's email address. See 
attached screenshot of a random header sample.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Paul McCall via Af]

I wasn’t looking at the header info, I was only looking at what we normally see 
when using Outlook, or Gmail, or Hotmail or AOL.  Again, we will continue to 
look at the entire scope and aren’t trying to force anything down anybody's 
throat.

At this point though, to characterize the list as "broken" is a bit harsh, IMO

Respectfully, 

Paul

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 11:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

On 9/16/14, 8:14 PM, Paul McCall via Af wrote:
> However, the old list said did say something like this.@afmug.com; on 
> behalf of; Bill Prince   in the from.

Pulled a header sample for Bill; I don't agree, it looked like this (see 
attachment, no "on behalf of"). My educated opinion is that the new list is 
still broken.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Seth Mattinen via Af]

On 9/16/14, 8:49 PM, Paul McCall via Af wrote:

At this point though, to characterize the list as "broken" is a bit harsh, IMO



I don't think I'm being harsh. The headers on this new list are jumbled 
up in a way that's contrary to generally accepted mailing list behavior. 
As a technical person it's plain broken; how clients interpret the 
combination of headers with List-* headers to pretty-print things for 
the end user is not an indication of "working".


The yardstick for "fixed" vs. "broken" should not be how things appear 
on the surface, but found in the headers. The References aren't working 
to thread. The "From" header is wrong. The envelope sender isn't the 
list manager. But if everyone accepts it then whatever, I won't waste my 
energy.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af]

I would argue "broken, but tolerable based on the use of SES in the middle".

The From: address should be the sender.
The Reply-To: address should be the list.

The way the headers are now you cannot see the email address of the sender
at all.  This is wrong, but I'm not sure what they can do about it with the
way it is currently architected.

SES being in the middle here is the problem.  SES requires a lot of
specific items to ensure that it isn't used to send anonymous spam.  The
most aggressive one being the requirement that each and every from address
is verified on their amazon account.  And worse, it expects the
capitalization of those from addresses never to change, and so on.   SES in
the middle isn't the right architecture choice, but apparently it was
necessary for some reason.

I'm expecting the realization that SES is actually charging per-message and
for data transfer to lead to SES being pulled out of the equation one way
or another.   I have dug some and I sure don't see any way around the SES
pricing...

-forrest

On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:04 PM, Seth Mattinen via Af  wrote:

> On 9/16/14, 8:49 PM, Paul McCall via Af wrote:
>
>> At this point though, to characterize the list as "broken" is a bit
>> harsh, IMO
>>
>
>
> I don't think I'm being harsh. The headers on this new list are jumbled up
> in a way that's contrary to generally accepted mailing list behavior. As a
> technical person it's plain broken; how clients interpret the combination
> of headers with List-* headers to pretty-print things for the end user is
> not an indication of "working".
>
> The yardstick for "fixed" vs. "broken" should not be how things appear on
> the surface, but found in the headers. The References aren't working to
> thread. The "From" header is wrong. The envelope sender isn't the list
> manager. But if everyone accepts it then whatever, I won't waste my energy.
>
> ~Seth
>

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Paul McCall via Af]

Thanks for the input.   The dust has not settled on it yet and we fully 
expected to deal with some of this when it went live :) 

There is a lot of thoughts, technical discussion, etc. that I could spent a lot 
of time on, but I want to be clear that we would rather focus time (at the 
moment anyways) looking at the different options on improving it.  Since we 
have had to "my mail  server is having trouble with your mail server" general 
connection issues, its not a huge deal for us to look at continued options.

Steady plodding (as the bible says), which in the tech business translates to 
persistence and patience (not necessarily in that order)

:)

Paul

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
Account) via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 3:04 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

I would argue "broken, but tolerable based on the use of SES in the middle".

The From: address should be the sender.
The Reply-To: address should be the list.

The way the headers are now you cannot see the email address of the sender at 
all.  This is wrong, but I'm not sure what they can do about it with the way it 
is currently architected.

SES being in the middle here is the problem.  SES requires a lot of specific 
items to ensure that it isn't used to send anonymous spam.  The most aggressive 
one being the requirement that each and every from address is verified on their 
amazon account.  And worse, it expects the
capitalization of those from addresses never to change, and so on.   SES in
the middle isn't the right architecture choice, but apparently it was necessary 
for some reason.

I'm expecting the realization that SES is actually charging per-message and for 
data transfer to lead to SES being pulled out of the equation one way
or another.   I have dug some and I sure don't see any way around the SES
pricing...

-forrest

On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:04 PM, Seth Mattinen via Af  wrote:

> On 9/16/14, 8:49 PM, Paul McCall via Af wrote:
>
>> At this point though, to characterize the list as "broken" is a bit 
>> harsh, IMO
>>
>
>
> I don't think I'm being harsh. The headers on this new list are 
> jumbled up in a way that's contrary to generally accepted mailing list 
> behavior. As a technical person it's plain broken; how clients 
> interpret the combination of headers with List-* headers to 
> pretty-print things for the end user is not an indication of "working".
>
> The yardstick for "fixed" vs. "broken" should not be how things appear 
> on the surface, but found in the headers. The References aren't 
> working to thread. The "From" header is wrong. The envelope sender 
> isn't the list manager. But if everyone accepts it then whatever, I won't 
> waste my energy.
>
> ~Seth
>

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Ken Hohhof via Af]

I looked at the headers of an email Bill sent via the old list and here is 
the From: header:


From: Bill Prince 



-Original Message- 
From: Paul McCall via Af

Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 10:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

The From address  wasn’t the sender on the old list either.

However, the old list said did say something like this...   af@afmug.com; on 
behalf of; Bill Prince   in the from.


Whereas the new list doesn’t show the .

For the moment, I believe that we will put that back in the body soon ... 
like this... --- [ Bill Prince  wrote ]





-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

I think he means that the From address isn't actually the sender of the 
e-mail.





- 
Mike Hammett

Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



- Original Message -

From: "Paul McCall via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:53:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Matt,

I looked at all the threads for the past few hours, and I see who it is 
coming from each time.


However, it does not show their email address... we can add that back into 
the body of the message I believe. That is how we had it yesterday, but the 
upgrade "undid" that.


Thanks!

Paul

-Original Message- 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins via Af

Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Unless you sign your name to the email, there isn't any way of seeing who 
its from.



On 09/16/2014 03:15 PM, Ryan Ray via Af wrote:

Looks way better now. Thanks Paul


On Tuesday, September 16, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:


*slow clap*




- 
Mike Hammett

Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



- Original Message - 


From: "Curtis Brotherton via Af" >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 3:34:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

I have also fixed the annoying 'Reply To' issue, where it was replying to
the original poster AND the list.

It now only reply's to the list.
--

Curtis Brotherton
PDMNet
(772) 564-6800





-Original Message- 
From: Jaime Solorza via Af 
jaime%20solorza%20via%20af%20%3...@afmug.com %3e>>
Reply-to: >
To: Animal Farm %3e>>, Paul McCall <
pa...@pdmnet.net 
<mailto:paul%20mccall%20%3cpa...@pdmnet.net

%3e>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 20:09:24 +



Thanks

Jaime Solorza
On Sep 16, 2014 6:43 AM, "Paul McCall via Af" 

<mailto:af@afmug.com >> wrote:


Guys,

We installed some updates in the middle of the night to fix the FROM
problem. There a couple tweaks that will be done today. My tech on the
project is now sleeping as we worked during the night.

PLEASE BE PATIENT.

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com><http://www.pdmnet.com/>
pa...@pdmnet.net <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net 
<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net >

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Paul McCall via Af]

Yes, I agree that was in the header.  I was referring to function (displayed 
FROM field and the replied TO field).  Sorry if I wasn’t clear.  That was part 
of a longer conversation that explained the context

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

I looked at the headers of an email Bill sent via the old list and here is the 
From: header:

From: Bill Prince 



-Original Message-
From: Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 10:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

The From address  wasn’t the sender on the old list either.

However, the old list said did say something like this...   af@afmug.com; on 
behalf of; Bill Prince   in the from.

Whereas the new list doesn’t show the .

For the moment, I believe that we will put that back in the body soon ... 
like this... --- [ Bill Prince  wrote ]




-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

I think he means that the From address isn't actually the sender of the e-mail.




- 
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



- Original Message -

From: "Paul McCall via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:53:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Matt,

I looked at all the threads for the past few hours, and I see who it is 
coming from each time.

However, it does not show their email address... we can add that back into 
the body of the message I believe. That is how we had it yesterday, but the 
upgrade "undid" that.

Thanks!

Paul

-Original Message- 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Unless you sign your name to the email, there isn't any way of seeing who 
its from.


On 09/16/2014 03:15 PM, Ryan Ray via Af wrote:
> Looks way better now. Thanks Paul
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 16, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:
>
>> *slow clap*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> - 
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>>
>> From: "Curtis Brotherton via Af" >
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 3:34:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments
>>
>> I have also fixed the annoying 'Reply To' issue, where it was replying to
>> the original poster AND the list.
>>
>> It now only reply's to the list.
>> -- 
>> 
>> Curtis Brotherton
>> PDMNet
>> (772) 564-6800
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message----- 
>> From: Jaime Solorza via Af > jaime%20solorza%20via%20af%20%3...@afmug.com %3e>>
>> Reply-to: >
>> To: Animal Farm > animal%20farm%20%3...@afmug.com %3e>>, Paul McCall <
>> pa...@pdmnet.net 
>> <mailto:paul%20mccall%20%3cpa...@pdmnet.net
>> %3e>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments
>> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 20:09:24 +
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> On Sep 16, 2014 6:43 AM, "Paul McCall via Af" > 
>> <mailto:af@afmug.com >> wrote:
>>
>>> Guys,
>>>
>>> We installed some updates in the middle of the night to fix the FROM
>>> problem. There a couple tweaks that will be done today. My tech on the
>>> project is now sleeping as we worked during the night.
>>>
>>> PLEASE BE PATIENT.
>>>
>>> Paul McCall, Pres.
>>> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>> 772-564-6800 office
>>> 772-473-0352 cell
>>> www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com><http://www.pdmnet.com/>
>>> pa...@pdmnet.net <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net 
>>> <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net >
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Ken Hohhof via Af]

Not sure what you mean by "displayed FROM field".

My email client (WLM) displays what's in the header, I would assume that's 
typical.  What else would it display?


I was responding to your statement that the From address wasn't the sender 
on the old list either.  It was.



-Original Message- 
From: Paul McCall via Af

Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 8:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Yes, I agree that was in the header.  I was referring to function (displayed 
FROM field and the replied TO field).  Sorry if I wasn’t clear.  That was 
part of a longer conversation that explained the context


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

I looked at the headers of an email Bill sent via the old list and here is 
the From: header:


From: Bill Prince 



-Original Message-
From: Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 10:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

The From address  wasn’t the sender on the old list either.

However, the old list said did say something like this...   af@afmug.com; on
behalf of; Bill Prince   in the from.

Whereas the new list doesn’t show the .

For the moment, I believe that we will put that back in the body soon ...
like this... --- [ Bill Prince  wrote ]




-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

I think he means that the From address isn't actually the sender of the 
e-mail.





- 
Mike Hammett

Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



- Original Message -

From: "Paul McCall via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:53:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Matt,

I looked at all the threads for the past few hours, and I see who it is
coming from each time.

However, it does not show their email address... we can add that back into
the body of the message I believe. That is how we had it yesterday, but the
upgrade "undid" that.

Thanks!

Paul

-Original Message- 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins via Af

Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Unless you sign your name to the email, there isn't any way of seeing who
its from.


On 09/16/2014 03:15 PM, Ryan Ray via Af wrote:

Looks way better now. Thanks Paul


On Tuesday, September 16, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:


*slow clap*




- 
Mike Hammett

Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



- Original Message - 


From: "Curtis Brotherton via Af" >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 3:34:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

I have also fixed the annoying 'Reply To' issue, where it was replying to
the original poster AND the list.

It now only reply's to the list.
--

Curtis Brotherton
PDMNet
(772) 564-6800





-Original Message- 
From: Jaime Solorza via Af 
jaime%20solorza%20via%20af%20%3...@afmug.com %3e>>
Reply-to: >
To: Animal Farm %3e>>, Paul McCall <
pa...@pdmnet.net
<mailto:paul%20mccall%20%3cpa...@pdmnet.net
%3e>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 20:09:24 +



Thanks

Jaime Solorza
On Sep 16, 2014 6:43 AM, "Paul McCall via Af" 
<mailto:af@afmug.com >> wrote:


Guys,

We installed some updates in the middle of the night to fix the FROM
problem. There a couple tweaks that will be done today. My tech on the
project is now sleeping as we worked during the night.

PLEASE BE PATIENT.

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com><http://www.pdmnet.com/>
pa...@pdmnet.net <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net 
<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net >

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Paul McCall via Af]

What is WLM ?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Not sure what you mean by "displayed FROM field".

My email client (WLM) displays what's in the header, I would assume that's 
typical.  What else would it display?

I was responding to your statement that the From address wasn't the sender on 
the old list either.  It was.


-Original Message- 
From: Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 8:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Yes, I agree that was in the header.  I was referring to function (displayed 
FROM field and the replied TO field).  Sorry if I wasn’t clear.  That was 
part of a longer conversation that explained the context

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

I looked at the headers of an email Bill sent via the old list and here is 
the From: header:

From: Bill Prince 



-Original Message-
From: Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 10:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

The From address  wasn’t the sender on the old list either.

However, the old list said did say something like this...   af@afmug.com; on
behalf of; Bill Prince   in the from.

Whereas the new list doesn’t show the .

For the moment, I believe that we will put that back in the body soon ...
like this... --- [ Bill Prince  wrote ]




-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

I think he means that the From address isn't actually the sender of the 
e-mail.




- 
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



- Original Message -

From: "Paul McCall via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:53:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Matt,

I looked at all the threads for the past few hours, and I see who it is
coming from each time.

However, it does not show their email address... we can add that back into
the body of the message I believe. That is how we had it yesterday, but the
upgrade "undid" that.

Thanks!

Paul

-Original Message- 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Unless you sign your name to the email, there isn't any way of seeing who
its from.


On 09/16/2014 03:15 PM, Ryan Ray via Af wrote:
> Looks way better now. Thanks Paul
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 16, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:
>
>> *slow clap*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> - 
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>>
>> From: "Curtis Brotherton via Af" >
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 3:34:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments
>>
>> I have also fixed the annoying 'Reply To' issue, where it was replying to
>> the original poster AND the list.
>>
>> It now only reply's to the list.
>> -- 
>> 
>> Curtis Brotherton
>> PDMNet
>> (772) 564-6800
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message- 
>> From: Jaime Solorza via Af > jaime%20solorza%20via%20af%20%3...@afmug.com %3e>>
>> Reply-to: >
>> To: Animal Farm > animal%20farm%20%3...@afmug.com %3e>>, Paul McCall <
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>> <mailto:paul%20mccall%20%3cpa...@pdmnet.net
>> %3e>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments
>> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 20:09:24 +
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> On Sep 16, 2014 6:43 AM, "Paul McCall via Af" > 
>> <mailto:af@afmug.com >> wrote:
>>
>>> Guys,
>>>
>>> We installed some updates in the middle of the night to fix the FROM
>>> problem. There a couple tweaks that will be done today. My tech on the
>>> project is now sleeping as we worked during the night.
>>>
>>> PLEASE BE PATIENT.
>>>
>>> Paul McCall, Pres.
>>> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>> 772-564-6800 office
>>> 772-473-0352 cell
>>> www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com><http://www.pdmnet.com/>
>>> pa...@pdmnet.net <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net 
>>> <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net >
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Chuck McCown via Af]

Windows Live Mail.  It was what replaced Outlook Express.
I like it for most things.  But nothing is very good at gracefully handling 
my 40 GB mail archive.


-Original Message- 
From: Paul McCall via Af

Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 7:53 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

What is WLM ?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Not sure what you mean by "displayed FROM field".

My email client (WLM) displays what's in the header, I would assume that's 
typical.  What else would it display?


I was responding to your statement that the From address wasn't the sender 
on the old list either.  It was.



-Original Message- 
From: Paul McCall via Af

Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 8:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Yes, I agree that was in the header.  I was referring to function (displayed
FROM field and the replied TO field).  Sorry if I wasn’t clear.  That was
part of a longer conversation that explained the context

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

I looked at the headers of an email Bill sent via the old list and here is
the From: header:

From: Bill Prince 



-Original Message-
From: Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 10:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

The From address  wasn’t the sender on the old list either.

However, the old list said did say something like this...   af@afmug.com; on
behalf of; Bill Prince   in the from.

Whereas the new list doesn’t show the .

For the moment, I believe that we will put that back in the body soon ...
like this... --- [ Bill Prince  wrote ]




-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

I think he means that the From address isn't actually the sender of the
e-mail.




- 
Mike Hammett

Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



- Original Message -

From: "Paul McCall via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:53:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Matt,

I looked at all the threads for the past few hours, and I see who it is
coming from each time.

However, it does not show their email address... we can add that back into
the body of the message I believe. That is how we had it yesterday, but the
upgrade "undid" that.

Thanks!

Paul

-Original Message- 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins via Af

Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Unless you sign your name to the email, there isn't any way of seeing who
its from.


On 09/16/2014 03:15 PM, Ryan Ray via Af wrote:

Looks way better now. Thanks Paul


On Tuesday, September 16, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:


*slow clap*




- 
Mike Hammett

Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



- Original Message - 


From: "Curtis Brotherton via Af" >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 3:34:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

I have also fixed the annoying 'Reply To' issue, where it was replying to
the original poster AND the list.

It now only reply's to the list.
--

Curtis Brotherton
PDMNet
(772) 564-6800





-Original Message- 
From: Jaime Solorza via Af 
jaime%20solorza%20via%20af%20%3...@afmug.com %3e>>
Reply-to: >
To: Animal Farm %3e>>, Paul McCall <
pa...@pdmnet.net
<mailto:paul%20mccall%20%3cpa...@pdmnet.net
%3e>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 20:09:24 +



Thanks

Jaime Solorza
On Sep 16, 2014 6:43 AM, "Paul McCall via Af" 
<mailto:af@afmug.com >> wrote:


Guys,

We installed some updates in the middle of the night to fix the FROM
problem. There a couple tweaks that will be done today. My tech on the
project is now sleeping as we worked during the night.

PLEASE BE PATIENT.

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com><http://www.pdmnet.com/>
pa...@pdmnet.net <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net 
<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net >

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Paul McCall via Af]

I googled it right after I clicked send.  "Google is your friend" is what I 
always tell my guys :)

Chuck, in your opinion, is WLM acting normally or acceptably as far as the list 
is concerned ?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Windows Live Mail.  It was what replaced Outlook Express.
I like it for most things.  But nothing is very good at gracefully handling my 
40 GB mail archive.

-Original Message-
From: Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 7:53 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

What is WLM ?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Not sure what you mean by "displayed FROM field".

My email client (WLM) displays what's in the header, I would assume that's 
typical.  What else would it display?

I was responding to your statement that the From address wasn't the sender on 
the old list either.  It was.


-Original Message- 
From: Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 8:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Yes, I agree that was in the header.  I was referring to function (displayed
FROM field and the replied TO field).  Sorry if I wasn’t clear.  That was
part of a longer conversation that explained the context

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

I looked at the headers of an email Bill sent via the old list and here is
the From: header:

From: Bill Prince 



-Original Message-
From: Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 10:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

The From address  wasn’t the sender on the old list either.

However, the old list said did say something like this...   af@afmug.com; on
behalf of; Bill Prince   in the from.

Whereas the new list doesn’t show the .

For the moment, I believe that we will put that back in the body soon ...
like this... --- [ Bill Prince  wrote ]




-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

I think he means that the From address isn't actually the sender of the
e-mail.




- 
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



- Original Message -

From: "Paul McCall via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:53:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Matt,

I looked at all the threads for the past few hours, and I see who it is
coming from each time.

However, it does not show their email address... we can add that back into
the body of the message I believe. That is how we had it yesterday, but the
upgrade "undid" that.

Thanks!

Paul

-Original Message- 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Unless you sign your name to the email, there isn't any way of seeing who
its from.


On 09/16/2014 03:15 PM, Ryan Ray via Af wrote:
> Looks way better now. Thanks Paul
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 16, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:
>
>> *slow clap*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> - 
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>>
>> From: "Curtis Brotherton via Af" >
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 3:34:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments
>>
>> I have also fixed the annoying 'Reply To' issue, where it was replying to
>> the original poster AND the list.
>>
>> It now only reply's to the list.
>> -- 
>> 
>> Curtis Brotherton
>> PDMNet
>> (772) 564-6800
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message- 
>> From: Jaime Solorza via Af > jaime%20solorza%20via%20af%20%3...@afmug.com %3e>>
>> Reply-to: >
>> To: Animal Farm > animal%20farm%20%3...@afmug.com %3e>>, Paul McCall <
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>> <mailto:paul%20mccall%20%3cpa...@pdmnet.net
>> %3e>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments
&

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Larry Smith via Af]

On Wed September 17 2014 08:55, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
> Windows Live Mail.  It was what replaced Outlook Express.
> I like it for most things.  But nothing is very good at gracefully handling
> my 40 GB mail archive.
>

LOL, that has been my issue for a few years now.  Have just over 92 GB
in my Kmail, close to 800 folders (many nested) and the _only_ mail
agent I have found that deals with it is Kmail (Linux KDE).

-- 
Larry Smith
lesm...@ecsis.net

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Chuck McCown via Af]

Looks good to me.  But I did take a look at the message source and the 
actual true sender is not there like it used to be.


-Original Message- 
From: Paul McCall via Af

Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 8:02 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

I googled it right after I clicked send.  "Google is your friend" is what I 
always tell my guys :)


Chuck, in your opinion, is WLM acting normally or acceptably as far as the 
list is concerned ?


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Windows Live Mail.  It was what replaced Outlook Express.
I like it for most things.  But nothing is very good at gracefully handling 
my 40 GB mail archive.


-Original Message-
From: Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 7:53 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

What is WLM ?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Not sure what you mean by "displayed FROM field".

My email client (WLM) displays what's in the header, I would assume that's 
typical.  What else would it display?


I was responding to your statement that the From address wasn't the sender 
on the old list either.  It was.



-Original Message- 
From: Paul McCall via Af

Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 8:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Yes, I agree that was in the header.  I was referring to function (displayed
FROM field and the replied TO field).  Sorry if I wasn’t clear.  That was
part of a longer conversation that explained the context

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

I looked at the headers of an email Bill sent via the old list and here is
the From: header:

From: Bill Prince 



-Original Message-
From: Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 10:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

The From address  wasn’t the sender on the old list either.

However, the old list said did say something like this...   af@afmug.com; on
behalf of; Bill Prince   in the from.

Whereas the new list doesn’t show the .

For the moment, I believe that we will put that back in the body soon ...
like this... --- [ Bill Prince  wrote ]




-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

I think he means that the From address isn't actually the sender of the
e-mail.




- 
Mike Hammett

Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



- Original Message -

From: "Paul McCall via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:53:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Matt,

I looked at all the threads for the past few hours, and I see who it is
coming from each time.

However, it does not show their email address... we can add that back into
the body of the message I believe. That is how we had it yesterday, but the
upgrade "undid" that.

Thanks!

Paul

-Original Message- 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins via Af

Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Unless you sign your name to the email, there isn't any way of seeing who
its from.


On 09/16/2014 03:15 PM, Ryan Ray via Af wrote:

Looks way better now. Thanks Paul


On Tuesday, September 16, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:


*slow clap*




- 
Mike Hammett

Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



- Original Message - 


From: "Curtis Brotherton via Af" >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 3:34:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

I have also fixed the annoying 'Reply To' issue, where it was replying to
the original poster AND the list.

It now only reply's to the list.
--

Curtis Brotherton
PDMNet
(772) 564-6800





-Original Message- 
From: Jaime Solorza via Af 
jaime%20solorza%20via%20af%20%3...@afmug.com %3e>>
Reply-to: >
To: Animal Farm %3e>>, Paul McCall <
pa...@pdmnet.net
<mailto:paul%20mccall%20%3cpa...@pdmnet.net
%3e>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 20:09:24 +



Thanks

Jaime Solorza
On Sep 16, 2014 6:43 AM, "Paul McCall via Af&qu

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Paul McCall via Af]

Yes, OK...  That's what I expected at this point :)

Was just trying to answer all the inquiries to make sure functionality was 
there.  Any other "issue" is out on the table, so back to work :)

-Paul

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Looks good to me.  But I did take a look at the message source and the actual 
true sender is not there like it used to be.

-Original Message-
From: Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 8:02 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

I googled it right after I clicked send.  "Google is your friend" is what I 
always tell my guys :)

Chuck, in your opinion, is WLM acting normally or acceptably as far as the list 
is concerned ?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Windows Live Mail.  It was what replaced Outlook Express.
I like it for most things.  But nothing is very good at gracefully handling my 
40 GB mail archive.

-Original Message-
From: Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 7:53 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

What is WLM ?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Not sure what you mean by "displayed FROM field".

My email client (WLM) displays what's in the header, I would assume that's 
typical.  What else would it display?

I was responding to your statement that the From address wasn't the sender on 
the old list either.  It was.


-Original Message- 
From: Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 8:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Yes, I agree that was in the header.  I was referring to function (displayed
FROM field and the replied TO field).  Sorry if I wasn’t clear.  That was
part of a longer conversation that explained the context

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

I looked at the headers of an email Bill sent via the old list and here is
the From: header:

From: Bill Prince 



-Original Message-
From: Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 10:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

The From address  wasn’t the sender on the old list either.

However, the old list said did say something like this...   af@afmug.com; on
behalf of; Bill Prince   in the from.

Whereas the new list doesn’t show the .

For the moment, I believe that we will put that back in the body soon ...
like this... --- [ Bill Prince  wrote ]




-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

I think he means that the From address isn't actually the sender of the
e-mail.




- 
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



- Original Message -

From: "Paul McCall via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:53:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Matt,

I looked at all the threads for the past few hours, and I see who it is
coming from each time.

However, it does not show their email address... we can add that back into
the body of the message I believe. That is how we had it yesterday, but the
upgrade "undid" that.

Thanks!

Paul

-Original Message- 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Unless you sign your name to the email, there isn't any way of seeing who
its from.


On 09/16/2014 03:15 PM, Ryan Ray via Af wrote:
> Looks way better now. Thanks Paul
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 16, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:
>
>> *slow clap*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> - 
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>>
>> From: "Curtis Brotherton via Af" >
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 3:34:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments
>>
>> I have also fixed the annoying 'Repl

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Chuck McCown via Af]

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Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Adam Moffett via Af]

How often do you guys go back and find something from your 40-90 gigs of 
email?  When you did need something, how successful were you at finding 
it?  I gave up trying to keep everything after realizing that I almost 
never wanted anything older than 6 months, and if I did then it took an 
inordinate amount of effort to find it.


I sort important things into foldersif I didn't sort it then it 
probably wasn't important. Everything in my inbox older than 6 months 
gets deleted.





On Wed September 17 2014 08:55, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:

Windows Live Mail.  It was what replaced Outlook Express.
I like it for most things.  But nothing is very good at gracefully handling
my 40 GB mail archive.


LOL, that has been my issue for a few years now.  Have just over 92 GB
in my Kmail, close to 800 folders (many nested) and the _only_ mail
agent I have found that deals with it is Kmail (Linux KDE).

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Ken Hohhof via Af]

Here are headers from last week (highlighting is mine).
References:  and  In-Reply-To:  would be relevant to threading.


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-Original Message- 
From: Chuck McCown via Af 
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:12 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments 

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Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Ken Hohhof via Af]

That's strange, the sent mail was in HTML format with highlighting, but what 
came back was plain text.  Does Amazon not allow HTML?  Or did I mess up? 
Or is a listserv option set to convert everything to plain text?


-Original Message- 
From: Ken Hohhof via Af

Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Here are headers from last week (highlighting is mine).
References:  and  In-Reply-To:  would be relevant to threading.


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-Original Message- 
From: Chuck McCown via Af

Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Here is an old header fragment:
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Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[CBB - Jay Fuller via Af]

Often.  Very often.  I regularly search keywords.  Over the weekend i was 
looking at fiber conversations from when people started running fiber 2-3-4 
years ago.  I use it often.  Did I say often? :)

Same with our business - i am regularly referencing accounts and info from 
pre-powercode days.  Using an email search
Granted on windows mail it can take a while.  There are two searches - one is 
an "indexed" search which is supposed to be quick but i've found is only about 
20% accurate.  I'll typically use it first.  The advanced search (ctrl-f i 
think it is) will find every friggin thing ; sometimes it will even find false 
matches.

I often find myself finding one or two hits that are "relevant", i'll then read 
that message, then read the whole thread by subject.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Adam Moffett via Af 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:26 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments


  How often do you guys go back and find something from your 40-90 gigs of 
  email?  When you did need something, how successful were you at finding 
  it?  I gave up trying to keep everything after realizing that I almost 
  never wanted anything older than 6 months, and if I did then it took an 
  inordinate amount of effort to find it.

  I sort important things into foldersif I didn't sort it then it 
  probably wasn't important. Everything in my inbox older than 6 months 
  gets deleted.

  

  > On Wed September 17 2014 08:55, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
  >> Windows Live Mail.  It was what replaced Outlook Express.
  >> I like it for most things.  But nothing is very good at gracefully handling
  >> my 40 GB mail archive.
  >>
  > LOL, that has been my issue for a few years now.  Have just over 92 GB
  > in my Kmail, close to 800 folders (many nested) and the _only_ mail
  > agent I have found that deals with it is Kmail (Linux KDE).
  >

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Bill Prince via Af]

Maybe that's why Thunderchicken is working ok for me.  I only have a 
35GB archive.


bp

On 9/17/2014 6:55 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:

Windows Live Mail.  It was what replaced Outlook Express.
I like it for most things.  But nothing is very good at gracefully 
handling my 40 GB mail archive.


-Original Message- From: Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 7:53 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

What is WLM ?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Not sure what you mean by "displayed FROM field".

My email client (WLM) displays what's in the header, I would assume 
that's typical.  What else would it display?


I was responding to your statement that the From address wasn't the 
sender on the old list either.  It was.



-Original Message- From: Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 8:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Yes, I agree that was in the header.  I was referring to function 
(displayed

FROM field and the replied TO field).  Sorry if I wasn’t clear. That was
part of a longer conversation that explained the context

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

I looked at the headers of an email Bill sent via the old list and 
here is

the From: header:

From: Bill Prince 



-Original Message-
From: Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 10:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

The From address  wasn’t the sender on the old list either.

However, the old list said did say something like this... 
af@afmug.com; on
behalf of; Bill Prince   in the 
from.


Whereas the new list doesn’t show the 
.


For the moment, I believe that we will put that back in the body soon ...
like this... --- [ Bill Prince  
wrote ]





-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

I think he means that the From address isn't actually the sender of the
e-mail.




- Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



- Original Message -

From: "Paul McCall via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:53:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Matt,

I looked at all the threads for the past few hours, and I see who it is
coming from each time.

However, it does not show their email address... we can add that back 
into
the body of the message I believe. That is how we had it yesterday, 
but the

upgrade "undid" that.

Thanks!

Paul

-Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On 
Behalf Of Matt Jenkins via Af

Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Unless you sign your name to the email, there isn't any way of seeing who
its from.


On 09/16/2014 03:15 PM, Ryan Ray via Af wrote:

Looks way better now. Thanks Paul


On Tuesday, September 16, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af  
wrote:



*slow clap*




- Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



- Original Message -
From: "Curtis Brotherton via Af" >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 3:34:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

I have also fixed the annoying 'Reply To' issue, where it was 
replying to

the original poster AND the list.

It now only reply's to the list.
--

Curtis Brotherton
PDMNet
(772) 564-6800





-Original Message- From: Jaime Solorza via Af 
jaime%20solorza%20via%20af%20%3...@afmug.com %3e>>
Reply-to: >
To: Animal Farm %3e>>, Paul McCall <
pa...@pdmnet.net
<mailto:paul%20mccall%20%3cpa...@pdmnet.net
%3e>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 20:09:24 +



Thanks

Jaime Solorza
On Sep 16, 2014 6:43 AM, "Paul McCall via Af" 
<mailto:af@afmug.com >> wrote:


Guys,

We installed some updates in the middle of the night to fix the FROM
problem. There a couple tweaks that will be done today. My tech on the
project is now sleeping as we worked during the night.

PLEASE BE PATIENT.

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com><http://www.pdmnet.com/>
pa...@pdmnet.net <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net 
<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net >

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Bill Prince via Af]

Often enough.  I move all the stuff annually into an archive for that 
year.  My archives go back to 1994 or something.


bp

On 9/17/2014 7:26 AM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote:
How often do you guys go back and find something from your 40-90 gigs 
of email?  When you did need something, how successful were you at 
finding it?  I gave up trying to keep everything after realizing that 
I almost never wanted anything older than 6 months, and if I did then 
it took an inordinate amount of effort to find it.


I sort important things into foldersif I didn't sort it then it 
probably wasn't important. Everything in my inbox older than 6 months 
gets deleted.





On Wed September 17 2014 08:55, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:

Windows Live Mail.  It was what replaced Outlook Express.
I like it for most things.  But nothing is very good at gracefully 
handling

my 40 GB mail archive.


LOL, that has been my issue for a few years now.  Have just over 92 GB
in my Kmail, close to 800 folders (many nested) and the _only_ mail
agent I have found that deals with it is Kmail (Linux KDE).

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[CBB - Jay Fuller via Af]

I'm using Windows mail from Windows Vista "hacked" for Windows 7.
My mail archive is about there - 32.3 gig, dating back to when I became a WISP 
in 2004

Of course i have 4 other businesses in my mail program too...

  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck McCown via Af 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 8:55 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments


  Windows Live Mail.  It was what replaced Outlook Express.
  I like it for most things.  But nothing is very good at gracefully handling 
  my 40 GB mail archive.

  -Original Message- 
  From: Paul McCall via Af
  Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 7:53 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

  What is WLM ?

  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af
  Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:49 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

  Not sure what you mean by "displayed FROM field".

  My email client (WLM) displays what's in the header, I would assume that's 
  typical.  What else would it display?

  I was responding to your statement that the From address wasn't the sender 
  on the old list either.  It was.


  -Original Message- 
  From: Paul McCall via Af
  Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 8:10 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

  Yes, I agree that was in the header.  I was referring to function (displayed
  FROM field and the replied TO field).  Sorry if I wasn’t clear.  That was
  part of a longer conversation that explained the context

  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af
  Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:06 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

  I looked at the headers of an email Bill sent via the old list and here is
  the From: header:

  From: Bill Prince 



  -Original Message-
  From: Paul McCall via Af
  Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 10:14 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

  The From address  wasn’t the sender on the old list either.

  However, the old list said did say something like this...   af@afmug.com; on
  behalf of; Bill Prince   in the from.

  Whereas the new list doesn’t show the .

  For the moment, I believe that we will put that back in the body soon ...
  like this... --- [ Bill Prince  wrote ]




  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af
  Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:37 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

  I think he means that the From address isn't actually the sender of the
  e-mail.




  - 
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com



  - Original Message -

  From: "Paul McCall via Af" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:53:09 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

  Matt,

  I looked at all the threads for the past few hours, and I see who it is
  coming from each time.

  However, it does not show their email address... we can add that back into
  the body of the message I believe. That is how we had it yesterday, but the
  upgrade "undid" that.

  Thanks!

  Paul

  -Original Message- 
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins via Af
  Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:24 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

  Unless you sign your name to the email, there isn't any way of seeing who
  its from.


  On 09/16/2014 03:15 PM, Ryan Ray via Af wrote:
  > Looks way better now. Thanks Paul
  >
  >
  > On Tuesday, September 16, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:
  >
  >> *slow clap*
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >> - 
  >> Mike Hammett
  >> Intelligent Computing Solutions
  >> http://www.ics-il.com
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >> - Original Message ----- 
  >>
  >> From: "Curtis Brotherton via Af" >
  >> To: af@afmug.com 
  >> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 3:34:33 PM
  >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments
  >>
  >> I have also fixed the annoying 'Reply To' issue, where it was replying to
  >> the original poster AND the list.
  >>
  >> It now only reply's to the list.
  >> -- 
  >> 
  >> Curtis Brotherton
  >> PDMNet
  >> (772) 564-6800
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >> -----Original Message----- 
  >> From: Jaime Solorza via Af > jaime%20solorza%20via%20af%20%3...@afmug.com %3e>>
  >> Reply-to: >
  >> To:

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Larry Smith via Af]

Very often, use it weekly if not every other day or so.
Hit rate is about 100% of things that actually exist in my email.
As Adam stated, sometimes get "false" positives if I do not
specify the search very well (ask for anything that contains radio
in the body and you get a LOT of hits)...

Everything (just about) that I have is in folders.  And some folders
of folders (EG: This list is under a Maildir folder labeled 0-Lists.
There are currently 32 other folders inside that one (ietf, nanog, cisco-nsp, 
etc).

 In my case we do a lot of gov (local, county, 911, etc) support and I often
have to go back one, two or even three and four years and "remind"
them what was discussed and what we agreed to do (or not)...

-- 
Larry Smith
lesm...@ecsis.net

On Wed September 17 2014 09:26, Adam Moffett via Af wrote:
> How often do you guys go back and find something from your 40-90 gigs of
> email?  When you did need something, how successful were you at finding
> it?  I gave up trying to keep everything after realizing that I almost
> never wanted anything older than 6 months, and if I did then it took an
> inordinate amount of effort to find it.
>
> I sort important things into foldersif I didn't sort it then it
> probably wasn't important. Everything in my inbox older than 6 months
> gets deleted.

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[CBB - Jay Fuller via Af]

Figured i'd throw in a comment here since you are looking for input (although i 
am not chuck lol)
i, like others, miss the email of folks who send messages.  From time to time I 
do grab an email and
send a message to someone directly - offlist.

That being said, my email here (part15@cyber) is shared among several of us 
here who read the list.
It's a dedicated address FOR the list - its routed that way - into its own 
folder - along with several other
lists we're on. Becuase we have a different email for the list none of the 
routing internal (rules, per se)
ever broke for us.

I do still get some messages out of order - but i've seen that happen before.  
It could just as easily be our
hosted email provider (hosted=cheap, and i do mean cheap, so i don't complain 
often) :)


  - Original Message - 
  From: Paul McCall via Af 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:02 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments


  I googled it right after I clicked send.  "Google is your friend" is what I 
always tell my guys :)

  Chuck, in your opinion, is WLM acting normally or acceptably as far as the 
list is concerned ?

  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af
  Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:56 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

  Windows Live Mail.  It was what replaced Outlook Express.
  I like it for most things.  But nothing is very good at gracefully handling 
my 40 GB mail archive.

  -Original Message-
  From: Paul McCall via Af
  Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 7:53 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

  What is WLM ?

  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af
  Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:49 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

  Not sure what you mean by "displayed FROM field".

  My email client (WLM) displays what's in the header, I would assume that's 
typical.  What else would it display?

  I was responding to your statement that the From address wasn't the sender on 
the old list either.  It was.


  -Original Message- 
  From: Paul McCall via Af
  Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 8:10 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

  Yes, I agree that was in the header.  I was referring to function (displayed
  FROM field and the replied TO field).  Sorry if I wasn’t clear.  That was
  part of a longer conversation that explained the context

  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af
  Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:06 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

  I looked at the headers of an email Bill sent via the old list and here is
  the From: header:

  From: Bill Prince 



  -Original Message-
  From: Paul McCall via Af
  Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 10:14 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

  The From address  wasn’t the sender on the old list either.

  However, the old list said did say something like this...   af@afmug.com; on
  behalf of; Bill Prince   in the from.

  Whereas the new list doesn’t show the .

  For the moment, I believe that we will put that back in the body soon ...
  like this... --- [ Bill Prince  wrote ]




  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af
  Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:37 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

  I think he means that the From address isn't actually the sender of the
  e-mail.




  - 
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com



  - Original Message -

  From: "Paul McCall via Af" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:53:09 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

  Matt,

  I looked at all the threads for the past few hours, and I see who it is
  coming from each time.

  However, it does not show their email address... we can add that back into
  the body of the message I believe. That is how we had it yesterday, but the
  upgrade "undid" that.

  Thanks!

  Paul

  -Original Message- 
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins via Af
  Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:24 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

  Unless you sign your name to the email, there isn't any way of seeing who
  its from.


  On 09/16/2014 03:15 PM, Ryan Ray via Af wrote:
  > Looks way better now. Thanks Paul
  >
  >
  > On Tuesday, September 16, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:
  >
  >> *slow clap*
  

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[CBB - Jay Fuller via Af]

BTW - sent 9:53 pm.  Received 10:13 am.

  - Original Message - 
  From: CBB - Jay Fuller via Af 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:52 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments



  Often.  Very often.  I regularly search keywords.  Over the weekend i was 
looking at fiber conversations from when people started running fiber 2-3-4 
years ago.  I use it often.  Did I say often? :)

  Same with our business - i am regularly referencing accounts and info from 
pre-powercode days.  Using an email search
  Granted on windows mail it can take a while.  There are two searches - one is 
an "indexed" search which is supposed to be quick but i've found is only about 
20% accurate.  I'll typically use it first.  The advanced search (ctrl-f i 
think it is) will find every friggin thing ; sometimes it will even find false 
matches.

  I often find myself finding one or two hits that are "relevant", i'll then 
read that message, then read the whole thread by subject.


- Original Message - 
From: Adam Moffett via Af 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments


How often do you guys go back and find something from your 40-90 gigs of 
email?  When you did need something, how successful were you at finding 
it?  I gave up trying to keep everything after realizing that I almost 
never wanted anything older than 6 months, and if I did then it took an 
inordinate amount of effort to find it.

I sort important things into foldersif I didn't sort it then it 
probably wasn't important. Everything in my inbox older than 6 months 
gets deleted.



> On Wed September 17 2014 08:55, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
>> Windows Live Mail.  It was what replaced Outlook Express.
>> I like it for most things.  But nothing is very good at gracefully 
handling
>> my 40 GB mail archive.
>>
> LOL, that has been my issue for a few years now.  Have just over 92 GB
> in my Kmail, close to 800 folders (many nested) and the _only_ mail
> agent I have found that deals with it is Kmail (Linux KDE).
>

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Ken Hohhof via Af]

Before reporting delayed email, always check the headers to see where the 
delay occurred.  Also if your mailserver does greylisting, it's possible 
Amazon uses multiple IP addresses and you are not putting it in your 
whitelist.  FWIW, delay is NOT something I've seen, the emails seem to come 
through within about a second.



-Original Message- 
From: CBB - Jay Fuller via Af

Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments


BTW - sent 9:53 pm.  Received 10:13 am.

 - Original Message - 
 From: CBB - Jay Fuller via Af

 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:52 AM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments



 Often.  Very often.  I regularly search keywords.  Over the weekend i was 
looking at fiber conversations from when people started running fiber 2-3-4 
years ago.  I use it often.  Did I say often? :)


 Same with our business - i am regularly referencing accounts and info from 
pre-powercode days.  Using an email search
 Granted on windows mail it can take a while.  There are two searches - one 
is an "indexed" search which is supposed to be quick but i've found is only 
about 20% accurate.  I'll typically use it first.  The advanced search 
(ctrl-f i think it is) will find every friggin thing ; sometimes it will 
even find false matches.


 I often find myself finding one or two hits that are "relevant", i'll then 
read that message, then read the whole thread by subject.



   - Original Message - 
   From: Adam Moffett via Af

   To: af@afmug.com
   Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:26 AM
   Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments


   How often do you guys go back and find something from your 40-90 gigs of
   email?  When you did need something, how successful were you at finding
   it?  I gave up trying to keep everything after realizing that I almost
   never wanted anything older than 6 months, and if I did then it took an
   inordinate amount of effort to find it.

   I sort important things into foldersif I didn't sort it then it
   probably wasn't important. Everything in my inbox older than 6 months
   gets deleted.

   

   > On Wed September 17 2014 08:55, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
   >> Windows Live Mail.  It was what replaced Outlook Express.
   >> I like it for most things.  But nothing is very good at gracefully 
handling

   >> my 40 GB mail archive.
   >>
   > LOL, that has been my issue for a few years now.  Have just over 92 GB
   > in my Kmail, close to 800 folders (many nested) and the _only_ mail
   > agent I have found that deals with it is Kmail (Linux KDE).
   > 

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Bill Prince via Af]

Interesting.  Also using Thunderchicken, and with View Threads set to 
"all", some of the messages are in a thread, and some aren't.



bp

On 9/17/2014 9:57 AM, Matt Jenkins via Af wrote:


This is how Thunderbird shows the emails.


Matthew Jenkins
SmarterBroadband
m...@sbbinc.net
530.272.4000

On 09/17/2014 05:33 AM, Paul McCall via Af wrote:
Thanks for the input.   The dust has not settled on it yet and we 
fully expected to deal with some of this when it went live :)


There is a lot of thoughts, technical discussion, etc. that I could 
spent a lot of time on, but I want to be clear that we would rather 
focus time (at the moment anyways) looking at the different options 
on improving it.  Since we have had to "my mail  server is having 
trouble with your mail server" general connection issues, its not a 
huge deal for us to look at continued options.


Steady plodding (as the bible says), which in the tech business 
translates to persistence and patience (not necessarily in that order)


:)

Paul

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af]

Yep, things are all over the place for me too. I don't have even one 
subject that TB puts into a single thread. Oh well, guess I'll just have 
to live with it.


On 9/17/2014 12:03 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
Interesting.  Also using Thunderchicken, and with View Threads set to 
"all", some of the messages are in a thread, and some aren't.



bp

On 9/17/2014 9:57 AM, Matt Jenkins via Af wrote:


This is how Thunderbird shows the emails.


Matthew Jenkins
SmarterBroadband
m...@sbbinc.net
530.272.4000

On 09/17/2014 05:33 AM, Paul McCall via Af wrote:
Thanks for the input.   The dust has not settled on it yet and we 
fully expected to deal with some of this when it went live :)


There is a lot of thoughts, technical discussion, etc. that I could 
spent a lot of time on, but I want to be clear that we would rather 
focus time (at the moment anyways) looking at the different options 
on improving it.  Since we have had to "my mail  server is having 
trouble with your mail server" general connection issues, its not a 
huge deal for us to look at continued options.


Steady plodding (as the bible says), which in the tech business 
translates to persistence and patience (not necessarily in that order)


:)

Paul

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Matt Jenkins via Af]

Also here are the headers from thunderbird. The senders email address is 
not in there anywhere, let alone in the from or sender field.


Matthew Jenkins
SmarterBroadband
m...@sbbinc.net
530.272.4000

On 09/17/2014 09:57 AM, Matt Jenkins via Af wrote:


This is how Thunderbird shows the emails.


Matthew Jenkins
SmarterBroadband
m...@sbbinc.net
530.272.4000

On 09/17/2014 05:33 AM, Paul McCall via Af wrote:
Thanks for the input.   The dust has not settled on it yet and we 
fully expected to deal with some of this when it went live :)


There is a lot of thoughts, technical discussion, etc. that I could 
spent a lot of time on, but I want to be clear that we would rather 
focus time (at the moment anyways) looking at the different options 
on improving it.  Since we have had to "my mail  server is having 
trouble with your mail server" general connection issues, its not a 
huge deal for us to look at continued options.


Steady plodding (as the bible says), which in the tech business 
translates to persistence and patience (not necessarily in that order)


:)

Paul






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Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Mike Hammett via Af]

Fairly regularly. I use it for finding contacts and conversations I had with 
them at different companies. Regarding the lists, it's useful for finding 
people later that you didn't know you wanted to know. Searching for issues is a 
bit cumbersome. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: "Adam Moffett via Af"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:26:20 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments 

How often do you guys go back and find something from your 40-90 gigs of 
email? When you did need something, how successful were you at finding 
it? I gave up trying to keep everything after realizing that I almost 
never wanted anything older than 6 months, and if I did then it took an 
inordinate amount of effort to find it. 

I sort important things into foldersif I didn't sort it then it 
probably wasn't important. Everything in my inbox older than 6 months 
gets deleted. 

 

> On Wed September 17 2014 08:55, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: 
>> Windows Live Mail. It was what replaced Outlook Express. 
>> I like it for most things. But nothing is very good at gracefully handling 
>> my 40 GB mail archive. 
>> 
> LOL, that has been my issue for a few years now. Have just over 92 GB 
> in my Kmail, close to 800 folders (many nested) and the _only_ mail 
> agent I have found that deals with it is Kmail (Linux KDE). 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[CBB - Jay Fuller via Af]

11:25 am (sent) ; received per windows mail at 8:59 pm

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  - Original Message - 
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  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:25 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments


  Before reporting delayed email, always check the headers to see where the 
  delay occurred.  Also if your mailserver does greylisting, it's possible 
  Amazon uses multiple IP addresses and you are not putting it in your 
  whitelist.  FWIW, delay is NOT something I've seen, the emails seem to come 
  through within about a second.


  -Original Message----- 
  From: CBB - Jay Fuller via Af
  Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:16 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments


  BTW - sent 9:53 pm.  Received 10:13 am.

- Original Message ----- 
    From: CBB - Jay Fuller via Af
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments



Often.  Very often.  I regularly search keywords.  Over the weekend i was 
  looking at fiber conversations from when people started running fiber 2-3-4 
  years ago.  I use it often.  Did I say often? :)

Same with our business - i am regularly referencing accounts and info from 
  pre-powercode days.  Using an email search
Granted on windows mail it can take a while.  There are two searches - one 
  is an "indexed" search which is supposed to be quick but i've found is only 
  about 20% accurate.  I'll typically use it first.  The advanced search 
  (ctrl-f i think it is) will find every friggin thing ; sometimes it will 
  even find false matches.

I often find myself finding one or two hits that are "relevant", i'll then 
  read that message, then read the whole thread by subject.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Adam Moffett via Af
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:26 AM
 

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Mike Hammett via Af]

mxtoolbox.com/EmailHeaders.aspx 

Pages like that will help analyze the headers. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: "CBB - Jay Fuller via Af"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:58:18 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments 


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Before reporting delayed email, always check the headers to see where the 
delay occurred. Also if your mailserver does greylisting, it's possible 
Amazon uses multiple IP addresses and you are not putting it in your 
whitelist. FWIW, delay is NOT something I've seen, the emails seem to come 
through within about a second. 


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BTW - sent 9:53 pm. Received 10:13 am. 

----- Original Message ----- 
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Often. Very often. I regularly search keywords. Over the weekend i was 
looking at fiber conversations from when people started running fiber 2-3-4 
years ago. I use it often. Did I say often? :) 

Same with our business - i am regularly referencing accounts and info from 
pre-powercode days. Using an email search 
Granted on windows mail it can take a while. There are two searches - one 
is an "indexed" search which is supposed to be quick but i've found is only 
about 20% accurate. I'll typically use it first. The advanced search 
(ctrl-f i think it is) will find every friggin thing ; sometimes it w