Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Chuck McCown]

Natural reaction when you are trying to cover your ass

From: Rory Conaway 
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 4:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

The email server is core to the case of selling influence in the State 
Department.  She deleted 30,000 emails.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 3:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

 

I’m just tired of the media making it sound like having a server is a bad thing.

 

When servers are outlawed, only outlaws will have servers.

 

 

From: Chuck McCown 

Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 5:11 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

 

To me it is a non issue other than that sensitive info that was supposed to 
stay on secured government servers.  I doubt she gave that much thought.  Was 
probably trying to establish a channel that would not be subject to FOIA etc.  
Wanted a bit of privacy.  Ran afoul of multiple regs.  To me it was not 
nefarious, just a bit dumb.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 4:04 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

 

Why does everyone focus on having her own server?  It seems to me the issue is 
using a non-government email account.  How is it worse because she had someone 
set up a server to host the account?  That mildly impresses me.

 

Would it have been all good if she had been using a GMail account?

 

 

From: Andy Trimmell 

Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 3:15 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

 

I’d love to read what Hillary is conservative in?  Buying email servers? Funny 
read.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 1:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

 

I would argue that Trump is (at least) a verbal bully; and he sure doesn't like 
getting caught in a lie (which he seems to do more than anyone else that's been 
in the race this year, with the possible exception of Ben Carson).

I might also argue that Clinton is more conservative than Trump. So the 
question would be would you vote for Trump because he's a Republican (he's not 
really), or because he's conservative (he's not that either).

 

bp On 3/21/2016 10:26 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Ha!  That is a good  one.

   

  I wonder, has Trump ever punched it out with anyone ever?  

   

  I just don’t see a rich kid having much opportunity to do that... unless he 
is a bully, but that would be beating someone up while the toadys hold him, not 
a fair fight.

   

  From: Ken Hohhof 

  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:18 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

   

  Here is Trump as a superhero comic.  The Incredible Trump!  I like his 
sidekick.

   

   

  From: Chuck McCown 

  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 12:13 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

   

  Yeah but I want odds.  2:1?  

   

  From: Travis Johnson 

  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:09 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

   

  I'll put up $100... the bet being that Utah will vote Red, regardless of the 
candidate?

  Travis

  On 3/21/2016 11:00 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

So, are you giving odds?  I have $100.  

 

From: Travis Johnson 

Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:58 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

 

Utah (and Idaho too) will vote Republican. They can talk and say "we will 
never support Trump"... but at the end of the day, both states will be Red... 
as always.

I personally have wanted to get rid of the political parties for a LONG 
time... let each candidate say what he will do on every subject, and not be 
associated with these "parties" that really don't mean anything anymore. 
Republicans used to believe "this", but now, 20 years later, they now believe 
"this". The parties have no real value or benefit, other than to keep thousands 
of people employed.

Travis

On 3/21/2016 10:44 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

  Polls already show Utah switching to Democratic vote if Trump is GOP 
candidate.

   

  Have you been watching the news?

   

  It’s a big deal, and I believe they are right, Utah won’t stand for Trump.

   

  Even if it’s Hilary. 

   

  And I think Utah in general would be just fine with a Woman president, 
but maybe I’m wrong.

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:31 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

   

  It's funny that everyone says "You can't say that and win"... yet Utah 
has voted Republican for the last 10 elections (40 years). I think it's a lot 
like Idaho, 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Josh Reynolds]

Ohhh, ohhh, me me me I wanna be an outlaw!!!
On May 23, 2016 5:24 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> I’m just tired of the media making it sound like having a server is a bad
> thing.
>
> When servers are outlawed, only outlaws will have servers.
>
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown 
> *Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2016 5:11 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
>
> To me it is a non issue other than that sensitive info that was supposed
> to stay on secured government servers.  I doubt she gave that much
> thought.  Was probably trying to establish a channel that would not be
> subject to FOIA etc.  Wanted a bit of privacy.  Ran afoul of multiple
> regs.  To me it was not nefarious, just a bit dumb.
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof 
> *Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2016 4:04 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
>
> Why does everyone focus on having her own server?  It seems to me the
> issue is using a non-government email account.  How is it worse because she
> had someone set up a server to host the account?  That mildly impresses me.
>
> Would it have been all good if she had been using a GMail account?
>
>
> *From:* Andy Trimmell 
> *Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2016 3:15 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
>
>
> I’d love to read what Hillary is conservative in?  Buying email servers?
> Funny read.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2016 1:18 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
>
>
>
> I would argue that Trump is (at least) a verbal bully; and he sure doesn't
> like getting caught in a lie (which he seems to do more than anyone else
> that's been in the race this year, with the possible exception of Ben
> Carson).
>
> I might also argue that Clinton is more conservative than Trump. So the
> question would be would you vote for Trump because he's a Republican (he's
> not really), or because he's conservative (he's not that either).
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 3/21/2016 10:26 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Ha!  That is a good  one.
>
>
>
> I wonder, has Trump ever punched it out with anyone ever?
>
>
>
> I just don’t see a rich kid having much opportunity to do that... unless
> he is a bully, but that would be beating someone up while the toadys hold
> him, not a fair fight.
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof 
>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 11:18 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
>
>
>
> Here is Trump as a superhero comic.  The Incredible Trump!  I like his
> sidekick.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown 
>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 12:13 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
>
>
>
> Yeah but I want odds.  2:1?
>
>
>
> *From:* Travis Johnson 
>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 11:09 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
>
>
>
> I'll put up $100... the bet being that Utah will vote Red, regardless of
> the candidate?
>
> Travis
>
> On 3/21/2016 11:00 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> So, are you giving odds?  I have $100.
>
>
>
> *From:* Travis Johnson 
>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 10:58 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
>
>
>
> Utah (and Idaho too) will vote Republican. They can talk and say "we will
> never support Trump"... but at the end of the day, both states will be
> Red... as always.
>
> I personally have wanted to get rid of the political parties for a LONG
> time... let each candidate say what he will do on every subject, and not be
> associated with these "parties" that really don't mean anything anymore.
> Republicans used to believe "this", but now, 20 years later, they now
> believe "this". The parties have no real value or benefit, other than to
> keep thousands of people employed.
>
> Travis
>
> On 3/21/2016 10:44 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
>
> Polls already show Utah switching to Democratic vote if Trump is GOP
> candidate.
>
>
>
> Have you been watching the news?
>
>
>
> It’s a big deal, and I believe they are right, Utah won’t stand for Trump.
>
>
>
> Even if it’s Hilary.
>
>
>
> And I think Utah in general would be just fine with a Woman president, but
> maybe I’m wrong.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Travis Johnson
> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 10:31 AM

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Rory Conaway]

The email server is core to the case of selling influence in the State 
Department.  She deleted 30,000 emails.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 3:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

I’m just tired of the media making it sound like having a server is a bad thing.

When servers are outlawed, only outlaws will have servers.


From: Chuck McCown<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 5:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

To me it is a non issue other than that sensitive info that was supposed to 
stay on secured government servers.  I doubt she gave that much thought.  Was 
probably trying to establish a channel that would not be subject to FOIA etc.  
Wanted a bit of privacy.  Ran afoul of multiple regs.  To me it was not 
nefarious, just a bit dumb.

From: Ken Hohhof<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 4:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

Why does everyone focus on having her own server?  It seems to me the issue is 
using a non-government email account.  How is it worse because she had someone 
set up a server to host the account?  That mildly impresses me.

Would it have been all good if she had been using a GMail account?


From: Andy Trimmell<mailto:atrimm...@precisionds.com>
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 3:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

I’d love to read what Hillary is conservative in?  Buying email servers? Funny 
read.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 1:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah


I would argue that Trump is (at least) a verbal bully; and he sure doesn't like 
getting caught in a lie (which he seems to do more than anyone else that's been 
in the race this year, with the possible exception of Ben Carson).

I might also argue that Clinton is more conservative than Trump. So the 
question would be would you vote for Trump because he's a Republican (he's not 
really), or because he's conservative (he's not that either).



bp




On 3/21/2016 10:26 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Ha!  That is a good  one.

I wonder, has Trump ever punched it out with anyone ever?

I just don’t see a rich kid having much opportunity to do that... unless he is 
a bully, but that would be beating someone up while the toadys hold him, not a 
fair fight.

From: Ken Hohhof<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:18 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

Here is Trump as a superhero comic.  The Incredible Trump!  I like his sidekick.


From: Chuck McCown<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 12:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

Yeah but I want odds.  2:1?

From: Travis Johnson<mailto:t...@ida.net>
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:09 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

I'll put up $100... the bet being that Utah will vote Red, regardless of the 
candidate?

Travis
On 3/21/2016 11:00 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
So, are you giving odds?  I have $100.

From: Travis Johnson<mailto:t...@ida.net>
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

Utah (and Idaho too) will vote Republican. They can talk and say "we will never 
support Trump"... but at the end of the day, both states will be Red... as 
always.

I personally have wanted to get rid of the political parties for a LONG time... 
let each candidate say what he will do on every subject, and not be associated 
with these "parties" that really don't mean anything anymore. Republicans used 
to believe "this", but now, 20 years later, they now believe "this". The 
parties have no real value or benefit, other than to keep thousands of people 
employed.

Travis
On 3/21/2016 10:44 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
Polls already show Utah switching to Democratic vote if Trump is GOP candidate.

Have you been watching the news?

It’s a big deal, and I believe they are right, Utah won’t stand for Trump.

Even if it’s Hilary.

And I think Utah in general would be just fine with a Woman president, but 
maybe I’m wrong.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

It's funny that everyone says "You can't say that and win"... yet Utah has 
voted Republican for the last 10 elections (40 years). I think it's a lot like 
Idaho, that many people check the first "Republican&qu

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Seth Mattinen]

On 5/23/16 15:24, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I’m just tired of the media making it sound like having a server is a
bad thing.



Many people can't fathom why a someone would want a "server".

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Ken Hohhof]

I’m just tired of the media making it sound like having a server is a bad thing.

When servers are outlawed, only outlaws will have servers.


From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 5:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

To me it is a non issue other than that sensitive info that was supposed to 
stay on secured government servers.  I doubt she gave that much thought.  Was 
probably trying to establish a channel that would not be subject to FOIA etc.  
Wanted a bit of privacy.  Ran afoul of multiple regs.  To me it was not 
nefarious, just a bit dumb.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 4:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

Why does everyone focus on having her own server?  It seems to me the issue is 
using a non-government email account.  How is it worse because she had someone 
set up a server to host the account?  That mildly impresses me.

Would it have been all good if she had been using a GMail account?


From: Andy Trimmell 
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 3:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

I’d love to read what Hillary is conservative in?  Buying email servers? Funny 
read.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 1:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

 

I would argue that Trump is (at least) a verbal bully; and he sure doesn't like 
getting caught in a lie (which he seems to do more than anyone else that's been 
in the race this year, with the possible exception of Ben Carson).

I might also argue that Clinton is more conservative than Trump. So the 
question would be would you vote for Trump because he's a Republican (he's not 
really), or because he's conservative (he's not that either).

 

bp On 3/21/2016 10:26 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Ha!  That is a good  one.

   

  I wonder, has Trump ever punched it out with anyone ever?  

   

  I just don’t see a rich kid having much opportunity to do that... unless he 
is a bully, but that would be beating someone up while the toadys hold him, not 
a fair fight.

   

  From: Ken Hohhof 

  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:18 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

   

  Here is Trump as a superhero comic.  The Incredible Trump!  I like his 
sidekick.

   

   

  From: Chuck McCown 

  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 12:13 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

   

  Yeah but I want odds.  2:1?  

   

  From: Travis Johnson 

  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:09 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

   

  I'll put up $100... the bet being that Utah will vote Red, regardless of the 
candidate?

  Travis



  On 3/21/2016 11:00 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

So, are you giving odds?  I have $100.  

 

From: Travis Johnson 

Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:58 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

 

Utah (and Idaho too) will vote Republican. They can talk and say "we will 
never support Trump"... but at the end of the day, both states will be Red... 
as always.

I personally have wanted to get rid of the political parties for a LONG 
time... let each candidate say what he will do on every subject, and not be 
associated with these "parties" that really don't mean anything anymore. 
Republicans used to believe "this", but now, 20 years later, they now believe 
"this". The parties have no real value or benefit, other than to keep thousands 
of people employed.

Travis



On 3/21/2016 10:44 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

  Polls already show Utah switching to Democratic vote if Trump is GOP 
candidate.

   

  Have you been watching the news?

   

  It’s a big deal, and I believe they are right, Utah won’t stand for Trump.

   

  Even if it’s Hilary. 

   

  And I think Utah in general would be just fine with a Woman president, 
but maybe I’m wrong.

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:31 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

   

  It's funny that everyone says "You can't say that and win"... yet Utah 
has voted Republican for the last 10 elections (40 years). I think it's a lot 
like Idaho, that many people check the first "Republican" box on the first 
page, and never turn the book to even see who that is or what they even stand 
for.

  Do you really think if Trump wins the nomination that Utah would vote for 
Hillary over Trump? A woman as President, in a state of 50% Mormon, where they 
don't allow women to hold any real leadership positions?

  Trump knows he has Utah and Idaho because they have voted Red for the 
last 40 years.

  Travis

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Chuck McCown]

To me it is a non issue other than that sensitive info that was supposed to 
stay on secured government servers.  I doubt she gave that much thought.  Was 
probably trying to establish a channel that would not be subject to FOIA etc.  
Wanted a bit of privacy.  Ran afoul of multiple regs.  To me it was not 
nefarious, just a bit dumb.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 4:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

Why does everyone focus on having her own server?  It seems to me the issue is 
using a non-government email account.  How is it worse because she had someone 
set up a server to host the account?  That mildly impresses me.

Would it have been all good if she had been using a GMail account?


From: Andy Trimmell 
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 3:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

I’d love to read what Hillary is conservative in?  Buying email servers? Funny 
read.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 1:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

 

I would argue that Trump is (at least) a verbal bully; and he sure doesn't like 
getting caught in a lie (which he seems to do more than anyone else that's been 
in the race this year, with the possible exception of Ben Carson).

I might also argue that Clinton is more conservative than Trump. So the 
question would be would you vote for Trump because he's a Republican (he's not 
really), or because he's conservative (he's not that either).

 

bp On 3/21/2016 10:26 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Ha!  That is a good  one.

   

  I wonder, has Trump ever punched it out with anyone ever?  

   

  I just don’t see a rich kid having much opportunity to do that... unless he 
is a bully, but that would be beating someone up while the toadys hold him, not 
a fair fight.

   

  From: Ken Hohhof 

  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:18 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

   

  Here is Trump as a superhero comic.  The Incredible Trump!  I like his 
sidekick.

   

   

  From: Chuck McCown 

  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 12:13 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

   

  Yeah but I want odds.  2:1?  

   

  From: Travis Johnson 

  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:09 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

   

  I'll put up $100... the bet being that Utah will vote Red, regardless of the 
candidate?

  Travis



  On 3/21/2016 11:00 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

So, are you giving odds?  I have $100.  

 

From: Travis Johnson 

Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:58 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

 

Utah (and Idaho too) will vote Republican. They can talk and say "we will 
never support Trump"... but at the end of the day, both states will be Red... 
as always.

I personally have wanted to get rid of the political parties for a LONG 
time... let each candidate say what he will do on every subject, and not be 
associated with these "parties" that really don't mean anything anymore. 
Republicans used to believe "this", but now, 20 years later, they now believe 
"this". The parties have no real value or benefit, other than to keep thousands 
of people employed.

Travis



On 3/21/2016 10:44 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

  Polls already show Utah switching to Democratic vote if Trump is GOP 
candidate.

   

  Have you been watching the news?

   

  It’s a big deal, and I believe they are right, Utah won’t stand for Trump.

   

  Even if it’s Hilary. 

   

  And I think Utah in general would be just fine with a Woman president, 
but maybe I’m wrong.

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:31 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

   

  It's funny that everyone says "You can't say that and win"... yet Utah 
has voted Republican for the last 10 elections (40 years). I think it's a lot 
like Idaho, that many people check the first "Republican" box on the first 
page, and never turn the book to even see who that is or what they even stand 
for.

  Do you really think if Trump wins the nomination that Utah would vote for 
Hillary over Trump? A woman as President, in a state of 50% Mormon, where they 
don't allow women to hold any real leadership positions?

  Trump knows he has Utah and Idaho because they have voted Red for the 
last 40 years.

  Travis

  On 3/21/2016 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Would  you want a new CEO of a WISP to be hired from the auto insurance 
industry or perhaps a retired school principal?  

 

IMO A chief executive should have some experience wit

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Bill Prince]

Would it have been better if she had used an AOL account like Colin Powell?


bp


On 5/23/2016 3:04 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Why does everyone focus on having her own server?  It seems to me the 
issue is using a non-government email account.  How is it worse 
because she had someone set up a server to host the account?  That 
mildly impresses me.

Would it have been all good if she had been using a GMail account?
*From:* Andy Trimmell <mailto:atrimm...@precisionds.com>
*Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2016 3:15 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

I’d love to read what Hillary is conservative in?  Buying email 
servers? Funny read.


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2016 1:18 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

I would argue that Trump is (at least) a verbal bully; and he sure 
doesn't like getting caught in a lie (which he seems to do more than 
anyone else that's been in the race this year, with the possible 
exception of Ben Carson).


I might also argue that Clinton is more conservative than Trump. So 
the question would be would you vote for Trump because he's a 
Republican (he's not really), or because he's conservative (he's not 
that either).


bp

  


On 3/21/2016 10:26 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Ha! That is a good  one.

I wonder, has Trump ever punched it out with anyone ever?

I just don’t see a rich kid having much opportunity to do that...
unless he is a bully, but that would be beating someone up while
the toadys hold him, not a fair fight.

*From:*Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>

*Sent:*Monday, March 21, 2016 11:18 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

Here is Trump as a superhero comic.  The Incredible Trump!  I like
his sidekick.

*From:*Chuck McCown <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>

*Sent:*Monday, March 21, 2016 12:13 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

Yeah but I want odds.  2:1?

*From:*Travis Johnson <mailto:t...@ida.net>

*Sent:*Monday, March 21, 2016 11:09 AM

    *To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

I'll put up $100... the bet being that Utah will vote Red,
regardless of the candidate?

Travis

On 3/21/2016 11:00 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

So, are you giving odds?  I have $100.

*From:*Travis Johnson <mailto:t...@ida.net>

*Sent:*Monday, March 21, 2016 10:58 AM

    *To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

Utah (and Idaho too) will vote Republican. They can talk and
say "we will never support Trump"... but at the end of the
day, both states will be Red... as always.

I personally have wanted to get rid of the political parties
for a LONG time... let each candidate say what he will do on
every subject, and not be associated with these "parties" that
really don't mean anything anymore. Republicans used to
believe "this", but now, 20 years later, they now believe
"this". The parties have no real value or benefit, other than
to keep thousands of people employed.

Travis

On 3/21/2016 10:44 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

Polls already show Utah switching to Democratic vote if
Trump is GOP candidate.

Have you been watching the news?

It’s a big deal, and I believe they are right, Utah won’t
stand for Trump.

Even if it’s Hilary.

And I think Utah in general would be just fine with a
Woman president, but maybe I’m wrong.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*Travis Johnson
        *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 10:31 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

It's funny that everyone says "You can't say that and
win"... yet Utah has voted Republican for the last 10
elections (40 years). I think it's a lot like Idaho, that
many people check the first "Republican" box on the first
page, and never turn the book to even see who that is or
what they even stand for.

Do you really think if Trump wins the nomination that Utah
would vote for Hillary over Trump? A woman as President,
in a state of 50% Mormon, where they don't allow women to
hold any real leadership positions?

Trump knows he has Utah and Idaho because they have voted
Red for the last 40 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Ken Hohhof]

Why does everyone focus on having her own server?  It seems to me the issue is 
using a non-government email account.  How is it worse because she had someone 
set up a server to host the account?  That mildly impresses me.

Would it have been all good if she had been using a GMail account?


From: Andy Trimmell 
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 3:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

I’d love to read what Hillary is conservative in?  Buying email servers? Funny 
read.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 1:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

 

I would argue that Trump is (at least) a verbal bully; and he sure doesn't like 
getting caught in a lie (which he seems to do more than anyone else that's been 
in the race this year, with the possible exception of Ben Carson).

I might also argue that Clinton is more conservative than Trump. So the 
question would be would you vote for Trump because he's a Republican (he's not 
really), or because he's conservative (he's not that either).

 

bp On 3/21/2016 10:26 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Ha!  That is a good  one.

   

  I wonder, has Trump ever punched it out with anyone ever?  

   

  I just don’t see a rich kid having much opportunity to do that... unless he 
is a bully, but that would be beating someone up while the toadys hold him, not 
a fair fight.

   

  From: Ken Hohhof 

  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:18 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

   

  Here is Trump as a superhero comic.  The Incredible Trump!  I like his 
sidekick.

   

   

  From: Chuck McCown 

  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 12:13 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

   

  Yeah but I want odds.  2:1?  

   

  From: Travis Johnson 

  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:09 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

   

  I'll put up $100... the bet being that Utah will vote Red, regardless of the 
candidate?

  Travis



  On 3/21/2016 11:00 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

So, are you giving odds?  I have $100.  

 

From: Travis Johnson 

Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:58 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

 

Utah (and Idaho too) will vote Republican. They can talk and say "we will 
never support Trump"... but at the end of the day, both states will be Red... 
as always.

I personally have wanted to get rid of the political parties for a LONG 
time... let each candidate say what he will do on every subject, and not be 
associated with these "parties" that really don't mean anything anymore. 
Republicans used to believe "this", but now, 20 years later, they now believe 
"this". The parties have no real value or benefit, other than to keep thousands 
of people employed.

Travis



On 3/21/2016 10:44 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

  Polls already show Utah switching to Democratic vote if Trump is GOP 
candidate.

   

  Have you been watching the news?

   

  It’s a big deal, and I believe they are right, Utah won’t stand for Trump.

   

  Even if it’s Hilary. 

   

  And I think Utah in general would be just fine with a Woman president, 
but maybe I’m wrong.

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:31 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

   

  It's funny that everyone says "You can't say that and win"... yet Utah 
has voted Republican for the last 10 elections (40 years). I think it's a lot 
like Idaho, that many people check the first "Republican" box on the first 
page, and never turn the book to even see who that is or what they even stand 
for.

  Do you really think if Trump wins the nomination that Utah would vote for 
Hillary over Trump? A woman as President, in a state of 50% Mormon, where they 
don't allow women to hold any real leadership positions?

  Trump knows he has Utah and Idaho because they have voted Red for the 
last 40 years.

  Travis

  On 3/21/2016 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Would  you want a new CEO of a WISP to be hired from the auto insurance 
industry or perhaps a retired school principal?  

 

IMO A chief executive should have some experience with the legislative 
process and some military experience.  

Foreign policy experience would be something I would look for on a 
resume.  

 

Trump has been saying that he doesn’t really mean or believe some of 
the hyperbolic things that have came out of his mouth. 

 

I know  the Lt. Gov fairly well here in Utah.  His family are 100 year 
ILEC owners.  Have known them for years.  

This is what h

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Andy Trimmell]

I’d love to read what Hillary is conservative in?  Buying email servers? Funny 
read.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 1:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

 

I would argue that Trump is (at least) a verbal bully; and he sure doesn't like 
getting caught in a lie (which he seems to do more than anyone else that's been 
in the race this year, with the possible exception of Ben Carson).

I might also argue that Clinton is more conservative than Trump. So the 
question would be would you vote for Trump because he's a Republican (he's not 
really), or because he's conservative (he's not that either).

 

bp

 

On 3/21/2016 10:26 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Ha!  That is a good  one.

 

I wonder, has Trump ever punched it out with anyone ever?  

 

I just don’t see a rich kid having much opportunity to do that... 
unless he is a bully, but that would be beating someone up while the toadys 
hold him, not a fair fight.

 

From: Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>  

Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:18 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

 

Here is Trump as a superhero comic.  The Incredible Trump!  I like his 
sidekick.

 

 

From: Chuck McCown <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>  

Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 12:13 PM

    To: af@afmug.com 

    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

 

Yeah but I want odds.  2:1?  

 

From: Travis Johnson <mailto:t...@ida.net>  

Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:09 AM

    To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

 

I'll put up $100... the bet being that Utah will vote Red, regardless 
of the candidate?

Travis



On 3/21/2016 11:00 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

So, are you giving odds?  I have $100.  

 

From: Travis Johnson <mailto:t...@ida.net>  

Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:58 AM

        To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

 

Utah (and Idaho too) will vote Republican. They can talk and 
say "we will never support Trump"... but at the end of the day, both states 
will be Red... as always.

I personally have wanted to get rid of the political parties 
for a LONG time... let each candidate say what he will do on every subject, and 
not be associated with these "parties" that really don't mean anything anymore. 
Republicans used to believe "this", but now, 20 years later, they now believe 
"this". The parties have no real value or benefit, other than to keep thousands 
of people employed.

Travis



On 3/21/2016 10:44 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

Polls already show Utah switching to Democratic vote if 
Trump is GOP candidate.

 

Have you been watching the news?

 

It’s a big deal, and I believe they are right, Utah 
won’t stand for Trump.

 

Even if it’s Hilary. 

 

And I think Utah in general would be just fine with a 
Woman president, but maybe I’m wrong.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
Travis Johnson
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

 

It's funny that everyone says "You can't say that and 
win"... yet Utah has voted Republican for the last 10 elections (40 years). I 
think it's a lot like Idaho, that many people check the first "Republican" box 
on the first page, and never turn the book to even see who that is or what they 
even stand for.

Do you really think if Trump wins the nomination that 
Utah would vote for Hillary over Trump? A woman as President, in a state of 50% 
Mormon, where they don't allow women to hold any real leadership positions?

Trump knows he has Utah and Idaho because they have 
voted Red for the last 40 years.

Travis

On 3/21/2016 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Would  you want a new CEO of a WISP to be hired 
from the auto insurance in

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Bill Prince]

We have tons of non-partisan candidates.


bp


On 5/23/2016 11:37 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Right, Wisconsin is the same... we have an open primary, so anyone can 
vote in either primary, but only one or the other (not both). What 
we're talking about here is just marking the Republican or Democrat 
box at the top of the ballot instead of voting for each individual 
candidate... I didn't realize Wisconsin had gotten rid of that until I 
saw we weren't on the list. I've never heard of it ever being 
mandatory though.


On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Jay Weekley 
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:


In Alabama you can only vote for one party but can vote for anyone
in the main election.

Josh Reynolds wrote:

Actually I was incorrect, I thought it was mandatory in some
states.

Alabama

Pennsylvania

Indiana

South Carolina

Iowa

Texas

Kentucky

Utah

Oklahoma

^ All offer "straight-ticket" voting

On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 12:49 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

even in the general?

On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 12:41 PM, Josh Reynolds
mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>>
wrote:

Some states don't allow that. You for vote a ticket,
so it's "all or
nothing".

On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 12:33 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

there are people who dont vote soley upon party
lines you know

On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 12:18 PM, Bill Prince
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

I would argue that Trump is (at least) a
verbal bully; and he sure
doesn't
like getting caught in a lie (which he seems
to do more than anyone
else
that's been in the race this year, with the
possible exception of Ben
Carson).

I might also argue that Clinton is more
conservative than Trump. So the
question would be would you vote for Trump
because he's a Republican
(he's
not really), or because he's conservative
(he's not that either).


bp


On 3/21/2016 10:26 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Ha!  That is a good  one.

I wonder, has Trump ever punched it out with
anyone ever?

I just don’t see a rich kid having much
opportunity to do that...
unless
he is a bully, but that would be beating
someone up while the toadys
hold
him, not a fair fight.

From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:18 AM
        To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

Here is Trump as a superhero comic.  The
Incredible Trump!  I like his
sidekick.


From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 12:13 PM
    To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

Yeah but I want odds.  2:1?

From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:09 AM
    To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

I'll put up $100... the bet being that Utah
will vote Red, regardless
of
the candidate?

Travis


On 3/21/2016 11:00 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

So, are you giving odds?  I have $100.

From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

Utah (and Idaho too) will vote Republican.
They can talk and s

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Robert Andrews]

It would be a weird US if the general election in any state only allowed 
voting on party tickets.   But I am quite sure that HRC would love that.


On 05/23/2016 11:37 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

Right, Wisconsin is the same... we have an open primary, so anyone can
vote in either primary, but only one or the other (not both). What we're
talking about here is just marking the Republican or Democrat box at the
top of the ballot instead of voting for each individual candidate... I
didn't realize Wisconsin had gotten rid of that until I saw we weren't
on the list. I've never heard of it ever being mandatory though.

On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Jay Weekley mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:

In Alabama you can only vote for one party but can vote for anyone
in the main election.

Josh Reynolds wrote:

Actually I was incorrect, I thought it was mandatory in some states.

Alabama

Pennsylvania

Indiana

South Carolina

Iowa

Texas

Kentucky

Utah

Oklahoma

^ All offer "straight-ticket" voting

On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 12:49 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

even in the general?

On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 12:41 PM, Josh Reynolds
mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>>
wrote:

Some states don't allow that. You for vote a ticket, so
it's "all or
nothing".

On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 12:33 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

there are people who dont vote soley upon party
lines you know

On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 12:18 PM, Bill Prince
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

I would argue that Trump is (at least) a verbal
bully; and he sure
doesn't
like getting caught in a lie (which he seems to
do more than anyone
else
that's been in the race this year, with the
possible exception of Ben
Carson).

I might also argue that Clinton is more
conservative than Trump. So the
question would be would you vote for Trump
because he's a Republican
(he's
not really), or because he's conservative (he's
not that either).


bp


On 3/21/2016 10:26 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Ha!  That is a good  one.

I wonder, has Trump ever punched it out with
anyone ever?

I just don’t see a rich kid having much
opportunity to do that...
unless
he is a bully, but that would be beating someone
up while the toadys
hold
him, not a fair fight.

From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:18 AM
        To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

Here is Trump as a superhero comic.  The
Incredible Trump!  I like his
sidekick.


From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 12:13 PM
    To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

Yeah but I want odds.  2:1?

From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:09 AM
    To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

I'll put up $100... the bet being that Utah will
vote Red, regardless
of
the candidate?

Travis


On 3/21/2016 11:00 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

So, are you giving odds?  I have $100.

From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

  

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Mathew Howard]

Right, Wisconsin is the same... we have an open primary, so anyone can vote
in either primary, but only one or the other (not both). What we're talking
about here is just marking the Republican or Democrat box at the top of the
ballot instead of voting for each individual candidate... I didn't realize
Wisconsin had gotten rid of that until I saw we weren't on the list. I've
never heard of it ever being mandatory though.

On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Jay Weekley 
wrote:

> In Alabama you can only vote for one party but can vote for anyone in the
> main election.
>
> Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
>> Actually I was incorrect, I thought it was mandatory in some states.
>>
>> Alabama
>>
>> Pennsylvania
>>
>> Indiana
>>
>> South Carolina
>>
>> Iowa
>>
>> Texas
>>
>> Kentucky
>>
>> Utah
>>
>> Oklahoma
>>
>> ^ All offer "straight-ticket" voting
>>
>> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 12:49 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> even in the general?
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 12:41 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Some states don't allow that. You for vote a ticket, so it's "all or
>>>> nothing".
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 12:33 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> there are people who dont vote soley upon party lines you know
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 12:18 PM, Bill Prince 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I would argue that Trump is (at least) a verbal bully; and he sure
>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>> like getting caught in a lie (which he seems to do more than anyone
>>>>>> else
>>>>>> that's been in the race this year, with the possible exception of Ben
>>>>>> Carson).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I might also argue that Clinton is more conservative than Trump. So
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> question would be would you vote for Trump because he's a Republican
>>>>>> (he's
>>>>>> not really), or because he's conservative (he's not that either).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bp
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/21/2016 10:26 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ha!  That is a good  one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder, has Trump ever punched it out with anyone ever?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just don’t see a rich kid having much opportunity to do that...
>>>>>> unless
>>>>>> he is a bully, but that would be beating someone up while the toadys
>>>>>> hold
>>>>>> him, not a fair fight.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Ken Hohhof
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:18 AM
>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is Trump as a superhero comic.  The Incredible Trump!  I like his
>>>>>> sidekick.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Chuck McCown
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 12:13 PM
>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah but I want odds.  2:1?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Travis Johnson
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:09 AM
>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll put up $100... the bet being that Utah will vote Red, regardless
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the candidate?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Travis
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/21/2016 11:00 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, are you giving odds?  I have $100.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Travis Johnson
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:58 AM
>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Utah (and Idaho too) will vote Republican. They can talk and say

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Jay Weekley]

In Alabama you can only vote for one party but can vote for anyone in 
the main election.


Josh Reynolds wrote:

Actually I was incorrect, I thought it was mandatory in some states.

Alabama

Pennsylvania

Indiana

South Carolina

Iowa

Texas

Kentucky

Utah

Oklahoma

^ All offer "straight-ticket" voting

On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 12:49 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
 wrote:

even in the general?

On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 12:41 PM, Josh Reynolds 
wrote:

Some states don't allow that. You for vote a ticket, so it's "all or
nothing".

On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 12:33 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
 wrote:

there are people who dont vote soley upon party lines you know

On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 12:18 PM, Bill Prince 
wrote:

I would argue that Trump is (at least) a verbal bully; and he sure
doesn't
like getting caught in a lie (which he seems to do more than anyone
else
that's been in the race this year, with the possible exception of Ben
Carson).

I might also argue that Clinton is more conservative than Trump. So the
question would be would you vote for Trump because he's a Republican
(he's
not really), or because he's conservative (he's not that either).


bp


On 3/21/2016 10:26 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Ha!  That is a good  one.

I wonder, has Trump ever punched it out with anyone ever?

I just don’t see a rich kid having much opportunity to do that...
unless
he is a bully, but that would be beating someone up while the toadys
hold
him, not a fair fight.

From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:18 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

Here is Trump as a superhero comic.  The Incredible Trump!  I like his
sidekick.


From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 12:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

Yeah but I want odds.  2:1?

From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:09 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

I'll put up $100... the bet being that Utah will vote Red, regardless
of
the candidate?

Travis


On 3/21/2016 11:00 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

So, are you giving odds?  I have $100.

From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

Utah (and Idaho too) will vote Republican. They can talk and say "we
will
never support Trump"... but at the end of the day, both states will be
Red... as always.

I personally have wanted to get rid of the political parties for a LONG
time... let each candidate say what he will do on every subject, and
not be
associated with these "parties" that really don't mean anything
anymore.
Republicans used to believe "this", but now, 20 years later, they now
believe "this". The parties have no real value or benefit, other than
to
keep thousands of people employed.

Travis


On 3/21/2016 10:44 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

Polls already show Utah switching to Democratic vote if Trump is GOP
candidate.



Have you been watching the news?



It’s a big deal, and I believe they are right, Utah won’t stand for
Trump.



Even if it’s Hilary.



And I think Utah in general would be just fine with a Woman president,
but
maybe I’m wrong.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah



It's funny that everyone says "You can't say that and win"... yet Utah
has
voted Republican for the last 10 elections (40 years). I think it's a
lot
like Idaho, that many people check the first "Republican" box on the
first
page, and never turn the book to even see who that is or what they even
stand for.

Do you really think if Trump wins the nomination that Utah would vote
for
Hillary over Trump? A woman as President, in a state of 50% Mormon,
where
they don't allow women to hold any real leadership positions?

Trump knows he has Utah and Idaho because they have voted Red for the
last
40 years.

Travis

On 3/21/2016 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Would  you want a new CEO of a WISP to be hired from the auto insurance
industry or perhaps a retired school principal?



IMO A chief executive should have some experience with the legislative
process and some military experience.

Foreign policy experience would be something I would look for on a
resume.



Trump has been saying that he doesn’t really mean or believe some of
the
hyperbolic things that have came out of his mouth.



I know  the Lt. Gov fairly well here in Utah.  His family are 100 year
ILEC owners.  Have known them for years.

This is what he said after the Trump speech:



"I need to say this, OK, ...and last night Donald Trump did something
and
said something that I never thought I'd see a candidate for president
do and
say, especially someone in the Republican Party."

"Think about that for a second," Cox told the c

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Josh Reynolds]

Actually I was incorrect, I thought it was mandatory in some states.

Alabama

Pennsylvania

Indiana

South Carolina

Iowa

Texas

Kentucky

Utah

Oklahoma

^ All offer "straight-ticket" voting

On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 12:49 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
 wrote:
> even in the general?
>
> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 12:41 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>>
>> Some states don't allow that. You for vote a ticket, so it's "all or
>> nothing".
>>
>> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 12:33 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>>  wrote:
>> > there are people who dont vote soley upon party lines you know
>> >
>> > On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 12:18 PM, Bill Prince 
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I would argue that Trump is (at least) a verbal bully; and he sure
>> >> doesn't
>> >> like getting caught in a lie (which he seems to do more than anyone
>> >> else
>> >> that's been in the race this year, with the possible exception of Ben
>> >> Carson).
>> >>
>> >> I might also argue that Clinton is more conservative than Trump. So the
>> >> question would be would you vote for Trump because he's a Republican
>> >> (he's
>> >> not really), or because he's conservative (he's not that either).
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> bp
>> >> 
>> >>
>> >> On 3/21/2016 10:26 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Ha!  That is a good  one.
>> >>
>> >> I wonder, has Trump ever punched it out with anyone ever?
>> >>
>> >> I just don’t see a rich kid having much opportunity to do that...
>> >> unless
>> >> he is a bully, but that would be beating someone up while the toadys
>> >> hold
>> >> him, not a fair fight.
>> >>
>> >> From: Ken Hohhof
>> >> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:18 AM
>> >> To: af@afmug.com
>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
>> >>
>> >> Here is Trump as a superhero comic.  The Incredible Trump!  I like his
>> >> sidekick.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> From: Chuck McCown
>> >> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 12:13 PM
>> >> To: af@afmug.com
>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
>> >>
>> >> Yeah but I want odds.  2:1?
>> >>
>> >> From: Travis Johnson
>> >> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:09 AM
>> >> To: af@afmug.com
>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
>> >>
>> >> I'll put up $100... the bet being that Utah will vote Red, regardless
>> >> of
>> >> the candidate?
>> >>
>> >> Travis
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 3/21/2016 11:00 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> >>
>> >> So, are you giving odds?  I have $100.
>> >>
>> >> From: Travis Johnson
>> >> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:58 AM
>> >> To: af@afmug.com
>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
>> >>
>> >> Utah (and Idaho too) will vote Republican. They can talk and say "we
>> >> will
>> >> never support Trump"... but at the end of the day, both states will be
>> >> Red... as always.
>> >>
>> >> I personally have wanted to get rid of the political parties for a LONG
>> >> time... let each candidate say what he will do on every subject, and
>> >> not be
>> >> associated with these "parties" that really don't mean anything
>> >> anymore.
>> >> Republicans used to believe "this", but now, 20 years later, they now
>> >> believe "this". The parties have no real value or benefit, other than
>> >> to
>> >> keep thousands of people employed.
>> >>
>> >> Travis
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 3/21/2016 10:44 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Polls already show Utah switching to Democratic vote if Trump is GOP
>> >> candidate.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Have you been watching the news?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> It’s a big deal, and I believe they are right, Utah won’t stand for
>> >> Trump.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Even if it’s Hilary.
>> >>
>> >>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

even in the general?

On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 12:41 PM, Josh Reynolds 
wrote:

> Some states don't allow that. You for vote a ticket, so it's "all or
> nothing".
>
> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 12:33 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>  wrote:
> > there are people who dont vote soley upon party lines you know
> >
> > On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 12:18 PM, Bill Prince 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I would argue that Trump is (at least) a verbal bully; and he sure
> doesn't
> >> like getting caught in a lie (which he seems to do more than anyone else
> >> that's been in the race this year, with the possible exception of Ben
> >> Carson).
> >>
> >> I might also argue that Clinton is more conservative than Trump. So the
> >> question would be would you vote for Trump because he's a Republican
> (he's
> >> not really), or because he's conservative (he's not that either).
> >>
> >>
> >> bp
> >> 
> >>
> >> On 3/21/2016 10:26 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> >>
> >> Ha!  That is a good  one.
> >>
> >> I wonder, has Trump ever punched it out with anyone ever?
> >>
> >> I just don’t see a rich kid having much opportunity to do that... unless
> >> he is a bully, but that would be beating someone up while the toadys
> hold
> >> him, not a fair fight.
> >>
> >> From: Ken Hohhof
> >> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:18 AM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
> >>
> >> Here is Trump as a superhero comic.  The Incredible Trump!  I like his
> >> sidekick.
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Chuck McCown
> >> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 12:13 PM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
> >>
> >> Yeah but I want odds.  2:1?
> >>
> >> From: Travis Johnson
> >> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:09 AM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
> >>
> >> I'll put up $100... the bet being that Utah will vote Red, regardless of
> >> the candidate?
> >>
> >> Travis
> >>
> >>
> >> On 3/21/2016 11:00 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> >>
> >> So, are you giving odds?  I have $100.
> >>
> >> From: Travis Johnson
> >> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:58 AM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
> >>
> >> Utah (and Idaho too) will vote Republican. They can talk and say "we
> will
> >> never support Trump"... but at the end of the day, both states will be
> >> Red... as always.
> >>
> >> I personally have wanted to get rid of the political parties for a LONG
> >> time... let each candidate say what he will do on every subject, and
> not be
> >> associated with these "parties" that really don't mean anything anymore.
> >> Republicans used to believe "this", but now, 20 years later, they now
> >> believe "this". The parties have no real value or benefit, other than to
> >> keep thousands of people employed.
> >>
> >> Travis
> >>
> >>
> >> On 3/21/2016 10:44 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
> >>
> >> Polls already show Utah switching to Democratic vote if Trump is GOP
> >> candidate.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Have you been watching the news?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> It’s a big deal, and I believe they are right, Utah won’t stand for
> Trump.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Even if it’s Hilary.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> And I think Utah in general would be just fine with a Woman president,
> but
> >> maybe I’m wrong.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
> >> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:31 AM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> It's funny that everyone says "You can't say that and win"... yet Utah
> has
> >> voted Republican for the last 10 elections (40 years). I think it's a
> lot
> >> like Idaho, that many people check the first "Republican" box on the
> first
> >> page, and never turn the book to even see who that is or what they even
> >> stand for.
> &g

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Josh Reynolds]

Some states don't allow that. You for vote a ticket, so it's "all or nothing".

On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 12:33 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
 wrote:
> there are people who dont vote soley upon party lines you know
>
> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 12:18 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>> I would argue that Trump is (at least) a verbal bully; and he sure doesn't
>> like getting caught in a lie (which he seems to do more than anyone else
>> that's been in the race this year, with the possible exception of Ben
>> Carson).
>>
>> I might also argue that Clinton is more conservative than Trump. So the
>> question would be would you vote for Trump because he's a Republican (he's
>> not really), or because he's conservative (he's not that either).
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 3/21/2016 10:26 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> Ha!  That is a good  one.
>>
>> I wonder, has Trump ever punched it out with anyone ever?
>>
>> I just don’t see a rich kid having much opportunity to do that... unless
>> he is a bully, but that would be beating someone up while the toadys hold
>> him, not a fair fight.
>>
>> From: Ken Hohhof
>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:18 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
>>
>> Here is Trump as a superhero comic.  The Incredible Trump!  I like his
>> sidekick.
>>
>>
>> From: Chuck McCown
>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 12:13 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
>>
>> Yeah but I want odds.  2:1?
>>
>> From: Travis Johnson
>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:09 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
>>
>> I'll put up $100... the bet being that Utah will vote Red, regardless of
>> the candidate?
>>
>> Travis
>>
>>
>> On 3/21/2016 11:00 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> So, are you giving odds?  I have $100.
>>
>> From: Travis Johnson
>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:58 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
>>
>> Utah (and Idaho too) will vote Republican. They can talk and say "we will
>> never support Trump"... but at the end of the day, both states will be
>> Red... as always.
>>
>> I personally have wanted to get rid of the political parties for a LONG
>> time... let each candidate say what he will do on every subject, and not be
>> associated with these "parties" that really don't mean anything anymore.
>> Republicans used to believe "this", but now, 20 years later, they now
>> believe "this". The parties have no real value or benefit, other than to
>> keep thousands of people employed.
>>
>> Travis
>>
>>
>> On 3/21/2016 10:44 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
>>
>> Polls already show Utah switching to Democratic vote if Trump is GOP
>> candidate.
>>
>>
>>
>> Have you been watching the news?
>>
>>
>>
>> It’s a big deal, and I believe they are right, Utah won’t stand for Trump.
>>
>>
>>
>> Even if it’s Hilary.
>>
>>
>>
>> And I think Utah in general would be just fine with a Woman president, but
>> maybe I’m wrong.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:31 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
>>
>>
>>
>> It's funny that everyone says "You can't say that and win"... yet Utah has
>> voted Republican for the last 10 elections (40 years). I think it's a lot
>> like Idaho, that many people check the first "Republican" box on the first
>> page, and never turn the book to even see who that is or what they even
>> stand for.
>>
>> Do you really think if Trump wins the nomination that Utah would vote for
>> Hillary over Trump? A woman as President, in a state of 50% Mormon, where
>> they don't allow women to hold any real leadership positions?
>>
>> Trump knows he has Utah and Idaho because they have voted Red for the last
>> 40 years.
>>
>> Travis
>>
>> On 3/21/2016 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> Would  you want a new CEO of a WISP to be hired from the auto insurance
>> industry or perhaps a retired school principal?
>>
>>
>>
>> IMO A chief executive should have some experience with the legislative
>> process and some milit

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

there are people who dont vote soley upon party lines you know

On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 12:18 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> I would argue that Trump is (at least) a verbal bully; and he sure doesn't
> like getting caught in a lie (which he seems to do more than anyone else
> that's been in the race this year, with the possible exception of Ben
> Carson).
>
> I might also argue that Clinton is more conservative than Trump. So the
> question would be would you vote for Trump because he's a Republican (he's
> not really), or because he's conservative (he's not that either).
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/21/2016 10:26 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Ha!  That is a good  one.
>
> I wonder, has Trump ever punched it out with anyone ever?
>
> I just don’t see a rich kid having much opportunity to do that... unless
> he is a bully, but that would be beating someone up while the toadys hold
> him, not a fair fight.
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof 
> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 11:18 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
>
> Here is Trump as a superhero comic.  The Incredible Trump!  I like his
> sidekick.
>
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown 
> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 12:13 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
>
> Yeah but I want odds.  2:1?
>
> *From:* Travis Johnson 
> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 11:09 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
>
> I'll put up $100... the bet being that Utah will vote Red, regardless of
> the candidate?
>
> Travis
>
>
> On 3/21/2016 11:00 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> So, are you giving odds?  I have $100.
>
> *From:* Travis Johnson 
> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 10:58 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
>
> Utah (and Idaho too) will vote Republican. They can talk and say "we will
> never support Trump"... but at the end of the day, both states will be
> Red... as always.
>
> I personally have wanted to get rid of the political parties for a LONG
> time... let each candidate say what he will do on every subject, and not be
> associated with these "parties" that really don't mean anything anymore.
> Republicans used to believe "this", but now, 20 years later, they now
> believe "this". The parties have no real value or benefit, other than to
> keep thousands of people employed.
>
> Travis
>
>
> On 3/21/2016 10:44 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
>
> Polls already show Utah switching to Democratic vote if Trump is GOP
> candidate.
>
>
>
> Have you been watching the news?
>
>
>
> It’s a big deal, and I believe they are right, Utah won’t stand for Trump.
>
>
>
> Even if it’s Hilary.
>
>
>
> And I think Utah in general would be just fine with a Woman president, but
> maybe I’m wrong.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson
> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 10:31 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
>
>
>
> It's funny that everyone says "You can't say that and win"... yet Utah has
> voted Republican for the last 10 elections (40 years). I think it's a lot
> like Idaho, that many people check the first "Republican" box on the first
> page, and never turn the book to even see who that is or what they even
> stand for.
>
> Do you really think if Trump wins the nomination that Utah would vote for
> Hillary over Trump? A woman as President, in a state of 50% Mormon, where
> they don't allow women to hold any real leadership positions?
>
> Trump knows he has Utah and Idaho because they have voted Red for the last
> 40 years.
>
> Travis
>
> On 3/21/2016 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Would  you want a new CEO of a WISP to be hired from the auto insurance
> industry or perhaps a retired school principal?
>
>
>
> IMO A chief executive should have some experience with the legislative
> process and some military experience.
>
> Foreign policy experience would be something I would look for on a
> resume.
>
>
>
> Trump has been saying that he doesn’t really mean or believe some of the
> hyperbolic things that have came out of his mouth.
>
>
>
> I know  the Lt. Gov fairly well here in Utah.  His family are 100 year
> ILEC owners.  Have known them for years.
>
> This is what he said after the Trump speech:
>
>
>
> "I need to say this, OK, ...and last night Donald Trump did something and
> said something that I never thought I'd see a candidate for president do
> and

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Bill Prince]

I would argue that Trump is (at least) a verbal bully; and he sure 
doesn't like getting caught in a lie (which he seems to do more than 
anyone else that's been in the race this year, with the possible 
exception of Ben Carson).


I might also argue that Clinton is more conservative than Trump. So the 
question would be would you vote for Trump because he's a Republican 
(he's not really), or because he's conservative (he's not that either).



bp


On 3/21/2016 10:26 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Ha!  That is a good  one.
I wonder, has Trump ever punched it out with anyone ever?
I just don’t see a rich kid having much opportunity to do that... 
unless he is a bully, but that would be beating someone up while the 
toadys hold him, not a fair fight.

*From:* Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
*Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 11:18 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
Here is Trump as a superhero comic.  The Incredible Trump!  I like his 
sidekick.

*From:* Chuck McCown <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
*Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 12:13 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
Yeah but I want odds.  2:1?
*From:* Travis Johnson <mailto:t...@ida.net>
*Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 11:09 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
I'll put up $100... the bet being that Utah will vote Red, regardless 
of the candidate?


Travis


On 3/21/2016 11:00 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

So, are you giving odds?  I have $100.
*From:* Travis Johnson <mailto:t...@ida.net>
*Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 10:58 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
Utah (and Idaho too) will vote Republican. They can talk and say "we 
will never support Trump"... but at the end of the day, both states 
will be Red... as always.


I personally have wanted to get rid of the political parties for a 
LONG time... let each candidate say what he will do on every subject, 
and not be associated with these "parties" that really don't mean 
anything anymore. Republicans used to believe "this", but now, 20 
years later, they now believe "this". The parties have no real value 
or benefit, other than to keep thousands of people employed.


Travis


On 3/21/2016 10:44 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:


Polls already show Utah switching to Democratic vote if Trump is GOP 
candidate.


Have you been watching the news?

It’s a big deal, and I believe they are right, Utah won’t stand for 
Trump.


Even if it’s Hilary.

And I think Utah in general would be just fine with a Woman 
president, but maybe I’m wrong.


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson
*Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 10:31 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

It's funny that everyone says "You can't say that and win"... yet 
Utah has voted Republican for the last 10 elections (40 years). I 
think it's a lot like Idaho, that many people check the first 
"Republican" box on the first page, and never turn the book to even 
see who that is or what they even stand for.


Do you really think if Trump wins the nomination that Utah would 
vote for Hillary over Trump? A woman as President, in a state of 50% 
Mormon, where they don't allow women to hold any real leadership 
positions?


Trump knows he has Utah and Idaho because they have voted Red for 
the last 40 years.


Travis

On 3/21/2016 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Would you want a new CEO of a WISP to be hired from the auto
insurance industry or perhaps a retired school principal?

IMO A chief executive should have some experience with the
legislative process and some military experience.

Foreign policy experience would be something I would look for on
a resume.

Trump has been saying that he doesn’t really mean or believe
some of the hyperbolic things that have came out of his mouth.

I know  the Lt. Gov fairly well here in Utah.  His family are
100 year ILEC owners.  Have known them for years.

This is what he said after the Trump speech:

"I need to say this, OK, ...and last night Donald Trump did
something and said something that I never thought I'd see a
candidate for president do and say, especially someone in the
Republican Party."

"Think about that for a second," Cox told the crowd. "A person
running for office, in our party, thinks it's OK that if you
question his politics, he can question your religion. I have a
message for the 3 million people in Utah for Mr. Donald Trump:
That's not how we roll in Utah, and that's not how we roll in
the United States of America."

*From:*Travis Johnson <mailto:t...@ida.net>

*Se

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Ken Hohhof]

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 11:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

oh man, chuck is gonna be that guy

On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 10:21 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Ah ha! 

  I never accepted that bet.  I wanted odds...

  From: Travis Johnson 
  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:30 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

  Why would I give you odds? $100 bet, clean and simple. :)

  Travis


  On 3/21/2016 11:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Yeah but I want odds.  2:1?  

From: Travis Johnson 
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:09 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

I'll put up $100... the bet being that Utah will vote Red, regardless of 
the candidate?

Travis



On 3/21/2016 11:00 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  So, are you giving odds?  I have $100.  

  From: Travis Johnson 
  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:58 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

  Utah (and Idaho too) will vote Republican. They can talk and say "we will 
never support Trump"... but at the end of the day, both states will be Red... 
as always.

  I personally have wanted to get rid of the political parties for a LONG 
time... let each candidate say what he will do on every subject, and not be 
associated with these "parties" that really don't mean anything anymore. 
Republicans used to believe "this", but now, 20 years later, they now believe 
"this". The parties have no real value or benefit, other than to keep thousands 
of people employed.

  Travis



  On 3/21/2016 10:44 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

Polls already show Utah switching to Democratic vote if Trump is GOP 
candidate.



Have you been watching the news?



It’s a big deal, and I believe they are right, Utah won’t stand for 
Trump.



Even if it’s Hilary. 



And I think Utah in general would be just fine with a Woman president, 
but maybe I’m wrong.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:31 AM
        To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah



It's funny that everyone says "You can't say that and win"... yet Utah 
has voted Republican for the last 10 elections (40 years). I think it's a lot 
like Idaho, that many people check the first "Republican" box on the first 
page, and never turn the book to even see who that is or what they even stand 
for.

Do you really think if Trump wins the nomination that Utah would vote 
for Hillary over Trump? A woman as President, in a state of 50% Mormon, where 
they don't allow women to hold any real leadership positions?

Trump knows he has Utah and Idaho because they have voted Red for the 
last 40 years.

Travis

On 3/21/2016 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Would  you want a new CEO of a WISP to be hired from the auto 
insurance industry or perhaps a retired school principal?  



  IMO A chief executive should have some experience with the 
legislative process and some military experience.  

  Foreign policy experience would be something I would look for on a 
resume.  



  Trump has been saying that he doesn’t really mean or believe some of 
the hyperbolic things that have came out of his mouth. 



  I know  the Lt. Gov fairly well here in Utah.  His family are 100 
year ILEC owners.  Have known them for years.  

  This is what he said after the Trump speech:



  "I need to say this, OK, ...and last night Donald Trump did something 
and said something that I never thought I'd see a candidate for president do 
and say, especially someone in the Republican Party."

  "Think about that for a second," Cox told the crowd. "A person 
running for office, in our party, thinks it's OK that if you question his 
politics, he can question your religion. I have a message for the 3 million 
people in Utah for Mr. Donald Trump: That's not how we roll in Utah, and that's 
not how we roll in the United States of America."





      From: Travis Johnson 

  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:01 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah



  It's time for a change... that's the bottom line. Everyone else 
running is a "lifer"... someone that has been in politics or has wanted to be, 
their entire life. Nobody else is going to make any REAL changes. It's time for 
something different. 

  It's also refreshing to have someone say what they REALLY think... 
instead of giving lip service for six months before the election, and then 
having them not do anything that they said. At least Tru

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

oh man, chuck is gonna be that guy

On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 10:21 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Ah ha!
>
> I never accepted that bet.  I wanted odds...
>
> *From:* Travis Johnson 
> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 11:30 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
>
> Why would I give you odds? $100 bet, clean and simple. :)
>
> Travis
>
> On 3/21/2016 11:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Yeah but I want odds.  2:1?
>
> *From:* Travis Johnson 
> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 11:09 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
>
> I'll put up $100... the bet being that Utah will vote Red, regardless of
> the candidate?
>
> Travis
>
>
> On 3/21/2016 11:00 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> So, are you giving odds?  I have $100.
>
> *From:* Travis Johnson 
> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 10:58 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
>
> Utah (and Idaho too) will vote Republican. They can talk and say "we will
> never support Trump"... but at the end of the day, both states will be
> Red... as always.
>
> I personally have wanted to get rid of the political parties for a LONG
> time... let each candidate say what he will do on every subject, and not be
> associated with these "parties" that really don't mean anything anymore.
> Republicans used to believe "this", but now, 20 years later, they now
> believe "this". The parties have no real value or benefit, other than to
> keep thousands of people employed.
>
> Travis
>
>
> On 3/21/2016 10:44 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
>
> Polls already show Utah switching to Democratic vote if Trump is GOP
> candidate.
>
>
>
> Have you been watching the news?
>
>
>
> It’s a big deal, and I believe they are right, Utah won’t stand for Trump.
>
>
>
> Even if it’s Hilary.
>
>
>
> And I think Utah in general would be just fine with a Woman president, but
> maybe I’m wrong.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson
> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 10:31 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
>
>
>
> It's funny that everyone says "You can't say that and win"... yet Utah has
> voted Republican for the last 10 elections (40 years). I think it's a lot
> like Idaho, that many people check the first "Republican" box on the first
> page, and never turn the book to even see who that is or what they even
> stand for.
>
> Do you really think if Trump wins the nomination that Utah would vote for
> Hillary over Trump? A woman as President, in a state of 50% Mormon, where
> they don't allow women to hold any real leadership positions?
>
> Trump knows he has Utah and Idaho because they have voted Red for the last
> 40 years.
>
> Travis
>
> On 3/21/2016 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Would  you want a new CEO of a WISP to be hired from the auto insurance
> industry or perhaps a retired school principal?
>
>
>
> IMO A chief executive should have some experience with the legislative
> process and some military experience.
>
> Foreign policy experience would be something I would look for on a
> resume.
>
>
>
> Trump has been saying that he doesn’t really mean or believe some of the
> hyperbolic things that have came out of his mouth.
>
>
>
> I know  the Lt. Gov fairly well here in Utah.  His family are 100 year
> ILEC owners.  Have known them for years.
>
> This is what he said after the Trump speech:
>
>
>
> "I need to say this, OK, ...and last night Donald Trump did something and
> said something that I never thought I'd see a candidate for president do
> and say, especially someone in the Republican Party."
>
> "Think about that for a second," Cox told the crowd. "A person running for
> office, in our party, thinks it's OK that if you question his politics, he
> can question your religion. I have a message for the 3 million people in
> Utah for Mr. Donald Trump: That's not how we roll in Utah, and that's not
> how we roll in the United States of America."
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Travis Johnson 
>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 10:01 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
>
>
>
> It's time for a change... that's the bottom line. Everyone else running is
> a "lifer"... someone that has been in politics or has wanted to be, their
> entire life. Nobody else is going to make any REAL changes. It's time for
> something different.
&

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Chuck McCown]

Ah ha! 

I never accepted that bet.  I wanted odds...

From: Travis Johnson 
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

Why would I give you odds? $100 bet, clean and simple. :)

Travis


On 3/21/2016 11:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Yeah but I want odds.  2:1?  

  From: Travis Johnson 
  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:09 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

  I'll put up $100... the bet being that Utah will vote Red, regardless of the 
candidate?

  Travis



  On 3/21/2016 11:00 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

So, are you giving odds?  I have $100.  

From: Travis Johnson 
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

Utah (and Idaho too) will vote Republican. They can talk and say "we will 
never support Trump"... but at the end of the day, both states will be Red... 
as always.

I personally have wanted to get rid of the political parties for a LONG 
time... let each candidate say what he will do on every subject, and not be 
associated with these "parties" that really don't mean anything anymore. 
Republicans used to believe "this", but now, 20 years later, they now believe 
"this". The parties have no real value or benefit, other than to keep thousands 
of people employed.

Travis



On 3/21/2016 10:44 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

  Polls already show Utah switching to Democratic vote if Trump is GOP 
candidate.

   

  Have you been watching the news?

   

  It’s a big deal, and I believe they are right, Utah won’t stand for Trump.

   

  Even if it’s Hilary. 

   

  And I think Utah in general would be just fine with a Woman president, 
but maybe I’m wrong.

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:31 AM
      To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

   

  It's funny that everyone says "You can't say that and win"... yet Utah 
has voted Republican for the last 10 elections (40 years). I think it's a lot 
like Idaho, that many people check the first "Republican" box on the first 
page, and never turn the book to even see who that is or what they even stand 
for.

  Do you really think if Trump wins the nomination that Utah would vote for 
Hillary over Trump? A woman as President, in a state of 50% Mormon, where they 
don't allow women to hold any real leadership positions?

  Trump knows he has Utah and Idaho because they have voted Red for the 
last 40 years.

  Travis

  On 3/21/2016 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Would  you want a new CEO of a WISP to be hired from the auto insurance 
industry or perhaps a retired school principal?  

 

IMO A chief executive should have some experience with the legislative 
process and some military experience.  

Foreign policy experience would be something I would look for on a 
resume.  

 

Trump has been saying that he doesn’t really mean or believe some of 
the hyperbolic things that have came out of his mouth. 

 

I know  the Lt. Gov fairly well here in Utah.  His family are 100 year 
ILEC owners.  Have known them for years.  

This is what he said after the Trump speech:

 

"I need to say this, OK, ...and last night Donald Trump did something 
and said something that I never thought I'd see a candidate for president do 
and say, especially someone in the Republican Party."

"Think about that for a second," Cox told the crowd. "A person running 
for office, in our party, thinks it's OK that if you question his politics, he 
can question your religion. I have a message for the 3 million people in Utah 
for Mr. Donald Trump: That's not how we roll in Utah, and that's not how we 
roll in the United States of America."

 

         

        From: Travis Johnson 

Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:01 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

 

It's time for a change... that's the bottom line. Everyone else running 
is a "lifer"... someone that has been in politics or has wanted to be, their 
entire life. Nobody else is going to make any REAL changes. It's time for 
something different. 

It's also refreshing to have someone say what they REALLY think... 
instead of giving lip service for six months before the election, and then 
having them not do anything that they said. At least Trump is saying what he 
thinks.

Travis

On 3/21/2016 9:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  He may be super smart and has ideas that really could be good for the 
country.

  He may be a super ski

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Kerry]

I will vote, but for whom? None of the candidates get me excited in a 
positive way. Being from Michigan, and being old, the name
David Stockman jogs a few memory cells. I stumbled across maybe the most 
positive article I read about Trump, offered here for

your 'enjoyment'.
http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/toward-a-grand-new-bargain-how-donald-trump-can-clear-the-field-and-realign-american-politics/

On 3/21/2016 12:49 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I don’t know if I could command my hands to press the Hillary 
button.   My DNA will rebel.

But I sure will not be voting Trump.  I may just skip the vote.
*From:* Sterling Jacobson <mailto:sterl...@avative.net>
*Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 10:44 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

Polls already show Utah switching to Democratic vote if Trump is GOP 
candidate.


Have you been watching the news?

It’s a big deal, and I believe they are right, Utah won’t stand 
for Trump.


Even if it’s Hilary.

And I think Utah in general would be just fine with a Woman president, 
but maybe I’m wrong.


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson
*Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 10:31 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

It's funny that everyone says "You can't say that and win"... yet Utah 
has voted Republican for the last 10 elections (40 years). I think 
it's a lot like Idaho, that many people check the first "Republican" 
box on the first page, and never turn the book to even see who that is 
or what they even stand for.


Do you really think if Trump wins the nomination that Utah would vote 
for Hillary over Trump? A woman as President, in a state of 50% 
Mormon, where they don't allow women to hold any real leadership 
positions?


Trump knows he has Utah and Idaho because they have voted Red for the 
last 40 years.


Travis

On 3/21/2016 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Would  you want a new CEO of a WISP to be hired from the auto
insurance industry or perhaps a retired school principal?

IMO A chief executive should have some experience with the
legislative process and some military experience.

Foreign policy experience would be something I would look for on a
resume.

Trump has been saying that he doesn’t really mean or believe
some of the hyperbolic things that have came out of his mouth.

I know  the Lt. Gov fairly well here in Utah.  His family are 100
year ILEC owners.  Have known them for years.

This is what he said after the Trump speech:

"I need to say this, OK, ...and last night Donald Trump did
something and said something that I never thought I'd see a
candidate for president do and say, especially someone in the
Republican Party."

"Think about that for a second," Cox told the crowd. "A person
running for office, in our party, thinks it's OK that if you
question his politics, he can question your religion. I have a
message for the 3 million people in Utah for Mr. Donald Trump:
That's not how we roll in Utah, and that's not how we roll in the
United States of America."

*From:*Travis Johnson <mailto:t...@ida.net>

*Sent:*Monday, March 21, 2016 10:01 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

It's time for a change... that's the bottom line. Everyone else
running is a "lifer"... someone that has been in politics or has
wanted to be, their entire life. Nobody else is going to make any
REAL changes. It's time for something different.

It's also refreshing to have someone say what they REALLY think...
instead of giving lip service for six months before the election,
and then having them not do anything that they said. At least
Trump is saying what he thinks.

Travis

On 3/21/2016 9:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

He may be super smart and has ideas that really could be good
for the country.

He may be a super skilled negotiator.  He may be lots of things.

He looks like a megalomaniac bully that has no social graces. 
I don’t care if he was running for the local chamber of

commerce, you just cannot act like that if you want to
represent me and my interests.

*From:*Jaime Solorza <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Monday, March 21, 2016 9:20 AM

*To:*Animal Farm <mailto:af@afmug.com>

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

Even some Mennonite folks I spoke with in Cauthemoc think
Trump is bad for US.

On Mar 21, 2016 9:07 AM, "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Trump questioned Romney's faith.  Not something you do in
Utah.

  

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Ken Hohhof]

You should bet copies of your books.

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 12:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

Because I am less sure of winning than you are.  
But certainly willing to bet if I get odds.  
How sure are you??? ;-)

From: Travis Johnson 
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

Why would I give you odds? $100 bet, clean and simple. :)

Travis


On 3/21/2016 11:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Yeah but I want odds.  2:1?  

  From: Travis Johnson 
  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:09 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

  I'll put up $100... the bet being that Utah will vote Red, regardless of the 
candidate?

  Travis



  On 3/21/2016 11:00 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

So, are you giving odds?  I have $100.  

From: Travis Johnson 
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

Utah (and Idaho too) will vote Republican. They can talk and say "we will 
never support Trump"... but at the end of the day, both states will be Red... 
as always.

I personally have wanted to get rid of the political parties for a LONG 
time... let each candidate say what he will do on every subject, and not be 
associated with these "parties" that really don't mean anything anymore. 
Republicans used to believe "this", but now, 20 years later, they now believe 
"this". The parties have no real value or benefit, other than to keep thousands 
of people employed.

Travis



On 3/21/2016 10:44 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

  Polls already show Utah switching to Democratic vote if Trump is GOP 
candidate.

   

  Have you been watching the news?

   

  It’s a big deal, and I believe they are right, Utah won’t stand for Trump.

   

  Even if it’s Hilary. 

   

  And I think Utah in general would be just fine with a Woman president, 
but maybe I’m wrong.

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:31 AM
      To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

   

  It's funny that everyone says "You can't say that and win"... yet Utah 
has voted Republican for the last 10 elections (40 years). I think it's a lot 
like Idaho, that many people check the first "Republican" box on the first 
page, and never turn the book to even see who that is or what they even stand 
for.

  Do you really think if Trump wins the nomination that Utah would vote for 
Hillary over Trump? A woman as President, in a state of 50% Mormon, where they 
don't allow women to hold any real leadership positions?

  Trump knows he has Utah and Idaho because they have voted Red for the 
last 40 years.

  Travis

  On 3/21/2016 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Would  you want a new CEO of a WISP to be hired from the auto insurance 
industry or perhaps a retired school principal?  

 

IMO A chief executive should have some experience with the legislative 
process and some military experience.  

Foreign policy experience would be something I would look for on a 
resume.  

 

Trump has been saying that he doesn’t really mean or believe some of 
the hyperbolic things that have came out of his mouth. 

 

I know  the Lt. Gov fairly well here in Utah.  His family are 100 year 
ILEC owners.  Have known them for years.  

This is what he said after the Trump speech:

 

"I need to say this, OK, ...and last night Donald Trump did something 
and said something that I never thought I'd see a candidate for president do 
and say, especially someone in the Republican Party."

"Think about that for a second," Cox told the crowd. "A person running 
for office, in our party, thinks it's OK that if you question his politics, he 
can question your religion. I have a message for the 3 million people in Utah 
for Mr. Donald Trump: That's not how we roll in Utah, and that's not how we 
roll in the United States of America."

 

         

        From: Travis Johnson 

Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:01 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

 

It's time for a change... that's the bottom line. Everyone else running 
is a "lifer"... someone that has been in politics or has wanted to be, their 
entire life. Nobody else is going to make any REAL changes. It's time for 
something different. 

It's also refreshing to have someone say what they REALLY think... 
instead of giving lip service for six months before the election, and then 
having them not do anything that they said. At least Trump 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Bill Prince]

just like you know who

bp


On 3/21/2016 9:51 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
yeah, and everybody is moving to canada too. what people say they will 
do, and what they actually do arent even part of the same sport

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Chuck McCown]

Because I am less sure of winning than you are.  
But certainly willing to bet if I get odds.  
How sure are you??? ;-)

From: Travis Johnson 
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

Why would I give you odds? $100 bet, clean and simple. :)

Travis


On 3/21/2016 11:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Yeah but I want odds.  2:1?  

  From: Travis Johnson 
  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:09 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

  I'll put up $100... the bet being that Utah will vote Red, regardless of the 
candidate?

  Travis



  On 3/21/2016 11:00 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

So, are you giving odds?  I have $100.  

From: Travis Johnson 
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

Utah (and Idaho too) will vote Republican. They can talk and say "we will 
never support Trump"... but at the end of the day, both states will be Red... 
as always.

I personally have wanted to get rid of the political parties for a LONG 
time... let each candidate say what he will do on every subject, and not be 
associated with these "parties" that really don't mean anything anymore. 
Republicans used to believe "this", but now, 20 years later, they now believe 
"this". The parties have no real value or benefit, other than to keep thousands 
of people employed.

Travis



On 3/21/2016 10:44 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

  Polls already show Utah switching to Democratic vote if Trump is GOP 
candidate.

   

  Have you been watching the news?

   

  It’s a big deal, and I believe they are right, Utah won’t stand for Trump.

   

  Even if it’s Hilary. 

   

  And I think Utah in general would be just fine with a Woman president, 
but maybe I’m wrong.

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:31 AM
      To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

   

  It's funny that everyone says "You can't say that and win"... yet Utah 
has voted Republican for the last 10 elections (40 years). I think it's a lot 
like Idaho, that many people check the first "Republican" box on the first 
page, and never turn the book to even see who that is or what they even stand 
for.

  Do you really think if Trump wins the nomination that Utah would vote for 
Hillary over Trump? A woman as President, in a state of 50% Mormon, where they 
don't allow women to hold any real leadership positions?

  Trump knows he has Utah and Idaho because they have voted Red for the 
last 40 years.

  Travis

  On 3/21/2016 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Would  you want a new CEO of a WISP to be hired from the auto insurance 
industry or perhaps a retired school principal?  

 

IMO A chief executive should have some experience with the legislative 
process and some military experience.  

Foreign policy experience would be something I would look for on a 
resume.  

 

Trump has been saying that he doesn’t really mean or believe some of 
the hyperbolic things that have came out of his mouth. 

 

I know  the Lt. Gov fairly well here in Utah.  His family are 100 year 
ILEC owners.  Have known them for years.  

This is what he said after the Trump speech:

 

"I need to say this, OK, ...and last night Donald Trump did something 
and said something that I never thought I'd see a candidate for president do 
and say, especially someone in the Republican Party."

"Think about that for a second," Cox told the crowd. "A person running 
for office, in our party, thinks it's OK that if you question his politics, he 
can question your religion. I have a message for the 3 million people in Utah 
for Mr. Donald Trump: That's not how we roll in Utah, and that's not how we 
roll in the United States of America."

 

         

        From: Travis Johnson 

Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:01 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

 

It's time for a change... that's the bottom line. Everyone else running 
is a "lifer"... someone that has been in politics or has wanted to be, their 
entire life. Nobody else is going to make any REAL changes. It's time for 
something different. 

It's also refreshing to have someone say what they REALLY think... 
instead of giving lip service for six months before the election, and then 
having them not do anything that they said. At least Trump is saying what he 
thinks.

Travis

On 3/21/2016 9:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  He may be super smart and has ideas that really c

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Travis Johnson]

Why would I give you odds? $100 bet, clean and simple. :)

Travis

On 3/21/2016 11:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Yeah but I want odds.  2:1?
*From:* Travis Johnson <mailto:t...@ida.net>
*Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 11:09 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
I'll put up $100... the bet being that Utah will vote Red, regardless 
of the candidate?


Travis


On 3/21/2016 11:00 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

So, are you giving odds?  I have $100.
*From:* Travis Johnson <mailto:t...@ida.net>
*Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 10:58 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
Utah (and Idaho too) will vote Republican. They can talk and say "we 
will never support Trump"... but at the end of the day, both states 
will be Red... as always.


I personally have wanted to get rid of the political parties for a 
LONG time... let each candidate say what he will do on every subject, 
and not be associated with these "parties" that really don't mean 
anything anymore. Republicans used to believe "this", but now, 20 
years later, they now believe "this". The parties have no real value 
or benefit, other than to keep thousands of people employed.


Travis


On 3/21/2016 10:44 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:


Polls already show Utah switching to Democratic vote if Trump is GOP 
candidate.


Have you been watching the news?

It’s a big deal, and I believe they are right, Utah won’t stand for 
Trump.


Even if it’s Hilary.

And I think Utah in general would be just fine with a Woman 
president, but maybe I’m wrong.


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson
*Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 10:31 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

It's funny that everyone says "You can't say that and win"... yet 
Utah has voted Republican for the last 10 elections (40 years). I 
think it's a lot like Idaho, that many people check the first 
"Republican" box on the first page, and never turn the book to even 
see who that is or what they even stand for.


Do you really think if Trump wins the nomination that Utah would 
vote for Hillary over Trump? A woman as President, in a state of 50% 
Mormon, where they don't allow women to hold any real leadership 
positions?


Trump knows he has Utah and Idaho because they have voted Red for 
the last 40 years.


Travis

On 3/21/2016 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Would you want a new CEO of a WISP to be hired from the auto
insurance industry or perhaps a retired school principal?

IMO A chief executive should have some experience with the
legislative process and some military experience.

Foreign policy experience would be something I would look for on
a resume.

Trump has been saying that he doesn’t really mean or believe
some of the hyperbolic things that have came out of his mouth.

I know  the Lt. Gov fairly well here in Utah.  His family are
100 year ILEC owners.  Have known them for years.

This is what he said after the Trump speech:

"I need to say this, OK, ...and last night Donald Trump did
something and said something that I never thought I'd see a
candidate for president do and say, especially someone in the
Republican Party."

"Think about that for a second," Cox told the crowd. "A person
running for office, in our party, thinks it's OK that if you
question his politics, he can question your religion. I have a
message for the 3 million people in Utah for Mr. Donald Trump:
That's not how we roll in Utah, and that's not how we roll in
the United States of America."

*From:*Travis Johnson <mailto:t...@ida.net>

*Sent:*Monday, March 21, 2016 10:01 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

It's time for a change... that's the bottom line. Everyone else
running is a "lifer"... someone that has been in politics or has
wanted to be, their entire life. Nobody else is going to make
any REAL changes. It's time for something different.

It's also refreshing to have someone say what they REALLY
think... instead of giving lip service for six months before the
election, and then having them not do anything that they said.
At least Trump is saying what he thinks.

Travis

On 3/21/2016 9:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

He may be super smart and has ideas that really could be
good for the country.

He may be a super skilled negotiator.  He may be lots of things.

He looks like a megalomaniac bully that has no social
graces.  I don’t care if he was running for the local
chamber of commerce, you just cannot act like that if you
want to represent me and my interests.

  

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Chuck McCown]

Ha!  That is a good  one.

I wonder, has Trump ever punched it out with anyone ever?  

I just don’t see a rich kid having much opportunity to do that... unless he is 
a bully, but that would be beating someone up while the toadys hold him, not a 
fair fight.

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:18 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

Here is Trump as a superhero comic.  The Incredible Trump!  I like his sidekick.


From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 12:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

Yeah but I want odds.  2:1?  

From: Travis Johnson 
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:09 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

I'll put up $100... the bet being that Utah will vote Red, regardless of the 
candidate?

Travis



On 3/21/2016 11:00 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  So, are you giving odds?  I have $100.  

  From: Travis Johnson 
  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:58 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

  Utah (and Idaho too) will vote Republican. They can talk and say "we will 
never support Trump"... but at the end of the day, both states will be Red... 
as always.

  I personally have wanted to get rid of the political parties for a LONG 
time... let each candidate say what he will do on every subject, and not be 
associated with these "parties" that really don't mean anything anymore. 
Republicans used to believe "this", but now, 20 years later, they now believe 
"this". The parties have no real value or benefit, other than to keep thousands 
of people employed.

  Travis



  On 3/21/2016 10:44 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

Polls already show Utah switching to Democratic vote if Trump is GOP 
candidate.

 

Have you been watching the news?

 

It’s a big deal, and I believe they are right, Utah won’t stand for Trump.

 

Even if it’s Hilary. 

 

And I think Utah in general would be just fine with a Woman president, but 
maybe I’m wrong.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

 

It's funny that everyone says "You can't say that and win"... yet Utah has 
voted Republican for the last 10 elections (40 years). I think it's a lot like 
Idaho, that many people check the first "Republican" box on the first page, and 
never turn the book to even see who that is or what they even stand for.

Do you really think if Trump wins the nomination that Utah would vote for 
Hillary over Trump? A woman as President, in a state of 50% Mormon, where they 
don't allow women to hold any real leadership positions?

Trump knows he has Utah and Idaho because they have voted Red for the last 
40 years.

Travis

On 3/21/2016 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Would  you want a new CEO of a WISP to be hired from the auto insurance 
industry or perhaps a retired school principal?  

   

  IMO A chief executive should have some experience with the legislative 
process and some military experience.  

  Foreign policy experience would be something I would look for on a 
resume.  

   

  Trump has been saying that he doesn’t really mean or believe some of the 
hyperbolic things that have came out of his mouth. 

   

  I know  the Lt. Gov fairly well here in Utah.  His family are 100 year 
ILEC owners.  Have known them for years.  

  This is what he said after the Trump speech:

   

  "I need to say this, OK, ...and last night Donald Trump did something and 
said something that I never thought I'd see a candidate for president do and 
say, especially someone in the Republican Party."

  "Think about that for a second," Cox told the crowd. "A person running 
for office, in our party, thinks it's OK that if you question his politics, he 
can question your religion. I have a message for the 3 million people in Utah 
for Mr. Donald Trump: That's not how we roll in Utah, and that's not how we 
roll in the United States of America."

       

       

  From: Travis Johnson 

  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:01 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

   

  It's time for a change... that's the bottom line. Everyone else running 
is a "lifer"... someone that has been in politics or has wanted to be, their 
entire life. Nobody else is going to make any REAL changes. It's time for 
something different. 

  It's also refreshing to have someone say what they REALLY think... 
instead of giving lip service for six months before the election, and then 
having them not do anything that they said. At least Trump is saying what he 
thinks.

  Travis

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Chuck McCown]

After all, we are the only state that has ever sent a Black Republican Woman to 
congress.  

From: Sterling Jacobson 
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

I won’t take that bet because I’m not sure what exactly will happen in a 
Trump/Hillary matchup.

 

It’s the worst case scenario for many of us.

 

Tomorrow’s caucus vote will tell us more, but I would still be unsure of the 
actual outcome.

 

I would like to think being a Woman isn’t an issue.

I haven’t personally met any Utahans that have openly opposed a candidate 
because it’s a she.

 

It’s because she is a Democrat and a Clinton and also because it’s Hillary, lol!

 

I would take Hillary over Trump to ‘negotiate’ foreign affairs.

 

I only see pure disaster on Trump making ‘deals’ with foreign countries.

 

Reverse that and ask any foreigner who they would like to see US president.

I think that swings very heavily in the Hillary direction, right?

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

 

I'll put up $100... the bet being that Utah will vote Red, regardless of the 
candidate?

Travis



On 3/21/2016 11:00 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  So, are you giving odds?  I have $100.  

   

  From: Travis Johnson 

  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:58 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

   

  Utah (and Idaho too) will vote Republican. They can talk and say "we will 
never support Trump"... but at the end of the day, both states will be Red... 
as always.

  I personally have wanted to get rid of the political parties for a LONG 
time... let each candidate say what he will do on every subject, and not be 
associated with these "parties" that really don't mean anything anymore. 
Republicans used to believe "this", but now, 20 years later, they now believe 
"this". The parties have no real value or benefit, other than to keep thousands 
of people employed.

  Travis



  On 3/21/2016 10:44 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

Polls already show Utah switching to Democratic vote if Trump is GOP 
candidate.

 

Have you been watching the news?

 

It’s a big deal, and I believe they are right, Utah won’t stand for Trump.

 

Even if it’s Hilary. 

 

And I think Utah in general would be just fine with a Woman president, but 
maybe I’m wrong.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

 

It's funny that everyone says "You can't say that and win"... yet Utah has 
voted Republican for the last 10 elections (40 years). I think it's a lot like 
Idaho, that many people check the first "Republican" box on the first page, and 
never turn the book to even see who that is or what they even stand for.

Do you really think if Trump wins the nomination that Utah would vote for 
Hillary over Trump? A woman as President, in a state of 50% Mormon, where they 
don't allow women to hold any real leadership positions?

Trump knows he has Utah and Idaho because they have voted Red for the last 
40 years.

Travis

On 3/21/2016 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Would  you want a new CEO of a WISP to be hired from the auto insurance 
industry or perhaps a retired school principal?  

   

  IMO A chief executive should have some experience with the legislative 
process and some military experience.  

  Foreign policy experience would be something I would look for on a 
resume.  

   

  Trump has been saying that he doesn’t really mean or believe some of the 
hyperbolic things that have came out of his mouth. 

   

  I know  the Lt. Gov fairly well here in Utah.  His family are 100 year 
ILEC owners.  Have known them for years.  

  This is what he said after the Trump speech:

   

  "I need to say this, OK, ...and last night Donald Trump did something and 
said something that I never thought I'd see a candidate for president do and 
say, especially someone in the Republican Party."

  "Think about that for a second," Cox told the crowd. "A person running 
for office, in our party, thinks it's OK that if you question his politics, he 
can question your religion. I have a message for the 3 million people in Utah 
for Mr. Donald Trump: That's not how we roll in Utah, and that's not how we 
roll in the United States of America."

       

       

  From: Travis Johnson 

  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:01 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

   

  It's time for a change... that's the bottom line. Everyone else running 
i

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Sterling Jacobson]

I won’t take that bet because I’m not sure what exactly will happen in a 
Trump/Hillary matchup.

It’s the worst case scenario for many of us.

Tomorrow’s caucus vote will tell us more, but I would still be unsure of the 
actual outcome.

I would like to think being a Woman isn’t an issue.
I haven’t personally met any Utahans that have openly opposed a candidate 
because it’s a she.

It’s because she is a Democrat and a Clinton and also because it’s Hillary, lol!

I would take Hillary over Trump to ‘negotiate’ foreign affairs.

I only see pure disaster on Trump making ‘deals’ with foreign countries.

Reverse that and ask any foreigner who they would like to see US president.
I think that swings very heavily in the Hillary direction, right?


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

I'll put up $100... the bet being that Utah will vote Red, regardless of the 
candidate?

Travis

On 3/21/2016 11:00 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
So, are you giving odds?  I have $100.

From: Travis Johnson<mailto:t...@ida.net>
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

Utah (and Idaho too) will vote Republican. They can talk and say "we will never 
support Trump"... but at the end of the day, both states will be Red... as 
always.

I personally have wanted to get rid of the political parties for a LONG time... 
let each candidate say what he will do on every subject, and not be associated 
with these "parties" that really don't mean anything anymore. Republicans used 
to believe "this", but now, 20 years later, they now believe "this". The 
parties have no real value or benefit, other than to keep thousands of people 
employed.

Travis

On 3/21/2016 10:44 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
Polls already show Utah switching to Democratic vote if Trump is GOP candidate.

Have you been watching the news?

It’s a big deal, and I believe they are right, Utah won’t stand for Trump.

Even if it’s Hilary.

And I think Utah in general would be just fine with a Woman president, but 
maybe I’m wrong.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

It's funny that everyone says "You can't say that and win"... yet Utah has 
voted Republican for the last 10 elections (40 years). I think it's a lot like 
Idaho, that many people check the first "Republican" box on the first page, and 
never turn the book to even see who that is or what they even stand for.

Do you really think if Trump wins the nomination that Utah would vote for 
Hillary over Trump? A woman as President, in a state of 50% Mormon, where they 
don't allow women to hold any real leadership positions?

Trump knows he has Utah and Idaho because they have voted Red for the last 40 
years.

Travis
On 3/21/2016 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Would  you want a new CEO of a WISP to be hired from the auto insurance 
industry or perhaps a retired school principal?

IMO A chief executive should have some experience with the legislative process 
and some military experience.
Foreign policy experience would be something I would look for on a resume.

Trump has been saying that he doesn’t really mean or believe some of the 
hyperbolic things that have came out of his mouth.

I know  the Lt. Gov fairly well here in Utah.  His family are 100 year ILEC 
owners.  Have known them for years.
This is what he said after the Trump speech:

"I need to say this, OK, ...and last night Donald Trump did something and said 
something that I never thought I'd see a candidate for president do and say, 
especially someone in the Republican Party."
"Think about that for a second," Cox told the crowd. "A person running for 
office, in our party, thinks it's OK that if you question his politics, he can 
question your religion. I have a message for the 3 million people in Utah for 
Mr. Donald Trump: That's not how we roll in Utah, and that's not how we roll in 
the United States of America."


From: Travis Johnson<mailto:t...@ida.net>
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

It's time for a change... that's the bottom line. Everyone else running is a 
"lifer"... someone that has been in politics or has wanted to be, their entire 
life. Nobody else is going to make any REAL changes. It's time for something 
different.

It's also refreshing to have someone say what they REALLY think... instead of 
giving lip service for six months before the election, and then having them not 
do anything that they said. At least Trump is saying w

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Chuck McCown]

Yeah but I want odds.  2:1?  

From: Travis Johnson 
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:09 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

I'll put up $100... the bet being that Utah will vote Red, regardless of the 
candidate?

Travis



On 3/21/2016 11:00 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  So, are you giving odds?  I have $100.  

  From: Travis Johnson 
  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:58 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

  Utah (and Idaho too) will vote Republican. They can talk and say "we will 
never support Trump"... but at the end of the day, both states will be Red... 
as always.

  I personally have wanted to get rid of the political parties for a LONG 
time... let each candidate say what he will do on every subject, and not be 
associated with these "parties" that really don't mean anything anymore. 
Republicans used to believe "this", but now, 20 years later, they now believe 
"this". The parties have no real value or benefit, other than to keep thousands 
of people employed.

  Travis



  On 3/21/2016 10:44 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

Polls already show Utah switching to Democratic vote if Trump is GOP 
candidate.

 

Have you been watching the news?

 

It’s a big deal, and I believe they are right, Utah won’t stand for Trump.

 

Even if it’s Hilary. 

 

And I think Utah in general would be just fine with a Woman president, but 
maybe I’m wrong.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

 

It's funny that everyone says "You can't say that and win"... yet Utah has 
voted Republican for the last 10 elections (40 years). I think it's a lot like 
Idaho, that many people check the first "Republican" box on the first page, and 
never turn the book to even see who that is or what they even stand for.

Do you really think if Trump wins the nomination that Utah would vote for 
Hillary over Trump? A woman as President, in a state of 50% Mormon, where they 
don't allow women to hold any real leadership positions?

Trump knows he has Utah and Idaho because they have voted Red for the last 
40 years.

Travis

On 3/21/2016 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Would  you want a new CEO of a WISP to be hired from the auto insurance 
industry or perhaps a retired school principal?  

   

  IMO A chief executive should have some experience with the legislative 
process and some military experience.  

  Foreign policy experience would be something I would look for on a 
resume.  

   

  Trump has been saying that he doesn’t really mean or believe some of the 
hyperbolic things that have came out of his mouth. 

   

  I know  the Lt. Gov fairly well here in Utah.  His family are 100 year 
ILEC owners.  Have known them for years.  

  This is what he said after the Trump speech:

   

  "I need to say this, OK, ...and last night Donald Trump did something and 
said something that I never thought I'd see a candidate for president do and 
say, especially someone in the Republican Party."

  "Think about that for a second," Cox told the crowd. "A person running 
for office, in our party, thinks it's OK that if you question his politics, he 
can question your religion. I have a message for the 3 million people in Utah 
for Mr. Donald Trump: That's not how we roll in Utah, and that's not how we 
roll in the United States of America."

       

       

  From: Travis Johnson 

  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:01 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

   

  It's time for a change... that's the bottom line. Everyone else running 
is a "lifer"... someone that has been in politics or has wanted to be, their 
entire life. Nobody else is going to make any REAL changes. It's time for 
something different. 

  It's also refreshing to have someone say what they REALLY think... 
instead of giving lip service for six months before the election, and then 
having them not do anything that they said. At least Trump is saying what he 
thinks.

  Travis

  On 3/21/2016 9:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

He may be super smart and has ideas that really could be good for the 
country.

He may be a super skilled negotiator.  He may be lots of things.

 

He looks like a megalomaniac bully that has no social graces.  I don’t 
care if he was running for the local chamber of commerce, you just cannot act 
like that if you want to represent me and my interests.  

 

From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 9:20 AM

To: Animal Farm 

Subject: Re: [AF

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Ken Hohhof]

People tend to have an incorrect view of Mormons, lumping them with all other 
“conservatives”.  But remember many Mormons go on missions to other countries, 
leading to more nuanced views than your typical ‘Merican.  Historically they 
experienced religious persecution so they tend not to like discrimination on 
the basis of religion.  And while women may not participate equally in church 
leadership, they are family oriented and don’t like to see women attacked or 
treated like Trump does.  They have a history of getting along with others and 
solving their own problems, I’m not sure this whole blame the immigrants thing 
has that much appeal in Utah.  I’m not saying the LDS church and its followers 
have no faults, but I can see where Trump is not a good fit at all.


From: Sterling Jacobson 
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

Polls already show Utah switching to Democratic vote if Trump is GOP candidate.

 

Have you been watching the news?

 

It’s a big deal, and I believe they are right, Utah won’t stand for Trump.

 

Even if it’s Hilary. 

 

And I think Utah in general would be just fine with a Woman president, but 
maybe I’m wrong.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

 

It's funny that everyone says "You can't say that and win"... yet Utah has 
voted Republican for the last 10 elections (40 years). I think it's a lot like 
Idaho, that many people check the first "Republican" box on the first page, and 
never turn the book to even see who that is or what they even stand for.

Do you really think if Trump wins the nomination that Utah would vote for 
Hillary over Trump? A woman as President, in a state of 50% Mormon, where they 
don't allow women to hold any real leadership positions?

Trump knows he has Utah and Idaho because they have voted Red for the last 40 
years.

Travis

On 3/21/2016 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Would  you want a new CEO of a WISP to be hired from the auto insurance 
industry or perhaps a retired school principal?  

   

  IMO A chief executive should have some experience with the legislative 
process and some military experience.  

  Foreign policy experience would be something I would look for on a resume.  

   

  Trump has been saying that he doesn’t really mean or believe some of the 
hyperbolic things that have came out of his mouth. 

   

  I know  the Lt. Gov fairly well here in Utah.  His family are 100 year ILEC 
owners.  Have known them for years.  

  This is what he said after the Trump speech:

   

  "I need to say this, OK, ...and last night Donald Trump did something and 
said something that I never thought I'd see a candidate for president do and 
say, especially someone in the Republican Party."

  "Think about that for a second," Cox told the crowd. "A person running for 
office, in our party, thinks it's OK that if you question his politics, he can 
question your religion. I have a message for the 3 million people in Utah for 
Mr. Donald Trump: That's not how we roll in Utah, and that's not how we roll in 
the United States of America."

   

   

  From: Travis Johnson 

  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:01 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

   

  It's time for a change... that's the bottom line. Everyone else running is a 
"lifer"... someone that has been in politics or has wanted to be, their entire 
life. Nobody else is going to make any REAL changes. It's time for something 
different. 

  It's also refreshing to have someone say what they REALLY think... instead of 
giving lip service for six months before the election, and then having them not 
do anything that they said. At least Trump is saying what he thinks.

  Travis

  On 3/21/2016 9:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

He may be super smart and has ideas that really could be good for the 
country.

He may be a super skilled negotiator.  He may be lots of things.

 

He looks like a megalomaniac bully that has no social graces.  I don’t care 
if he was running for the local chamber of commerce, you just cannot act like 
that if you want to represent me and my interests.  

     

    From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 9:20 AM

To: Animal Farm 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

 

Even some Mennonite folks I spoke with in Cauthemoc think Trump is bad for 
US. 

On Mar 21, 2016 9:07 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  Trump questioned Romney's faith.  Not something you do in Utah.  

   

  And Romney is a special case.  He came in and turned around the winter 
Olympics here and really saved the day.

  Kinda a favorite son.

   

      From: Kurt Fankhauser 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Travis Johnson]

I'll put up $100... the bet being that Utah will vote Red, regardless of 
the candidate?


Travis


On 3/21/2016 11:00 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

So, are you giving odds?  I have $100.
*From:* Travis Johnson <mailto:t...@ida.net>
*Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 10:58 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
Utah (and Idaho too) will vote Republican. They can talk and say "we 
will never support Trump"... but at the end of the day, both states 
will be Red... as always.


I personally have wanted to get rid of the political parties for a 
LONG time... let each candidate say what he will do on every subject, 
and not be associated with these "parties" that really don't mean 
anything anymore. Republicans used to believe "this", but now, 20 
years later, they now believe "this". The parties have no real value 
or benefit, other than to keep thousands of people employed.


Travis


On 3/21/2016 10:44 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:


Polls already show Utah switching to Democratic vote if Trump is GOP 
candidate.


Have you been watching the news?

It’s a big deal, and I believe they are right, Utah won’t stand for 
Trump.


Even if it’s Hilary.

And I think Utah in general would be just fine with a Woman 
president, but maybe I’m wrong.


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson
*Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 10:31 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

It's funny that everyone says "You can't say that and win"... yet 
Utah has voted Republican for the last 10 elections (40 years). I 
think it's a lot like Idaho, that many people check the first 
"Republican" box on the first page, and never turn the book to even 
see who that is or what they even stand for.


Do you really think if Trump wins the nomination that Utah would vote 
for Hillary over Trump? A woman as President, in a state of 50% 
Mormon, where they don't allow women to hold any real leadership 
positions?


Trump knows he has Utah and Idaho because they have voted Red for the 
last 40 years.


Travis

On 3/21/2016 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Would  you want a new CEO of a WISP to be hired from the auto
insurance industry or perhaps a retired school principal?

IMO A chief executive should have some experience with the
legislative process and some military experience.

Foreign policy experience would be something I would look for on
a resume.

Trump has been saying that he doesn’t really mean or believe some
of the hyperbolic things that have came out of his mouth.

I know  the Lt. Gov fairly well here in Utah.  His family are 100
year ILEC owners.  Have known them for years.

This is what he said after the Trump speech:

"I need to say this, OK, ...and last night Donald Trump did
something and said something that I never thought I'd see a
candidate for president do and say, especially someone in the
Republican Party."

"Think about that for a second," Cox told the crowd. "A person
running for office, in our party, thinks it's OK that if you
question his politics, he can question your religion. I have a
message for the 3 million people in Utah for Mr. Donald Trump:
That's not how we roll in Utah, and that's not how we roll in the
United States of America."

*From:*Travis Johnson <mailto:t...@ida.net>

*Sent:*Monday, March 21, 2016 10:01 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

It's time for a change... that's the bottom line. Everyone else
running is a "lifer"... someone that has been in politics or has
wanted to be, their entire life. Nobody else is going to make any
REAL changes. It's time for something different.

It's also refreshing to have someone say what they REALLY
think... instead of giving lip service for six months before the
election, and then having them not do anything that they said. At
least Trump is saying what he thinks.

Travis

On 3/21/2016 9:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

He may be super smart and has ideas that really could be good
for the country.

He may be a super skilled negotiator. He may be lots of things.

He looks like a megalomaniac bully that has no social
graces.  I don’t care if he was running for the local chamber
of commerce, you just cannot act like that if you want to
represent me and my interests.

    *From:*Jaime Solorza <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Monday, March 21, 2016 9:20 AM

*To:*Animal Farm <mailto:af@afmug.com>

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

Even some Mennonite folks I spoke with in Cauthemoc think
Tr

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Chuck McCown]

So, are you giving odds?  I have $100.  

From: Travis Johnson 
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

Utah (and Idaho too) will vote Republican. They can talk and say "we will never 
support Trump"... but at the end of the day, both states will be Red... as 
always.

I personally have wanted to get rid of the political parties for a LONG time... 
let each candidate say what he will do on every subject, and not be associated 
with these "parties" that really don't mean anything anymore. Republicans used 
to believe "this", but now, 20 years later, they now believe "this". The 
parties have no real value or benefit, other than to keep thousands of people 
employed.

Travis



On 3/21/2016 10:44 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

  Polls already show Utah switching to Democratic vote if Trump is GOP 
candidate.

   

  Have you been watching the news?

   

  It’s a big deal, and I believe they are right, Utah won’t stand for Trump.

   

  Even if it’s Hilary. 

   

  And I think Utah in general would be just fine with a Woman president, but 
maybe I’m wrong.

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:31 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

   

  It's funny that everyone says "You can't say that and win"... yet Utah has 
voted Republican for the last 10 elections (40 years). I think it's a lot like 
Idaho, that many people check the first "Republican" box on the first page, and 
never turn the book to even see who that is or what they even stand for.

  Do you really think if Trump wins the nomination that Utah would vote for 
Hillary over Trump? A woman as President, in a state of 50% Mormon, where they 
don't allow women to hold any real leadership positions?

  Trump knows he has Utah and Idaho because they have voted Red for the last 40 
years.

  Travis

  On 3/21/2016 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Would  you want a new CEO of a WISP to be hired from the auto insurance 
industry or perhaps a retired school principal?  

 

IMO A chief executive should have some experience with the legislative 
process and some military experience.  

Foreign policy experience would be something I would look for on a resume.  

 

Trump has been saying that he doesn’t really mean or believe some of the 
hyperbolic things that have came out of his mouth. 

 

I know  the Lt. Gov fairly well here in Utah.  His family are 100 year ILEC 
owners.  Have known them for years.  

This is what he said after the Trump speech:

 

"I need to say this, OK, ...and last night Donald Trump did something and 
said something that I never thought I'd see a candidate for president do and 
say, especially someone in the Republican Party."

"Think about that for a second," Cox told the crowd. "A person running for 
office, in our party, thinks it's OK that if you question his politics, he can 
question your religion. I have a message for the 3 million people in Utah for 
Mr. Donald Trump: That's not how we roll in Utah, and that's not how we roll in 
the United States of America."

 

     

From: Travis Johnson 

Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:01 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

 

It's time for a change... that's the bottom line. Everyone else running is 
a "lifer"... someone that has been in politics or has wanted to be, their 
entire life. Nobody else is going to make any REAL changes. It's time for 
something different. 

It's also refreshing to have someone say what they REALLY think... instead 
of giving lip service for six months before the election, and then having them 
not do anything that they said. At least Trump is saying what he thinks.

Travis

On 3/21/2016 9:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  He may be super smart and has ideas that really could be good for the 
country.

  He may be a super skilled negotiator.  He may be lots of things.

   

  He looks like a megalomaniac bully that has no social graces.  I don’t 
care if he was running for the local chamber of commerce, you just cannot act 
like that if you want to represent me and my interests.  

   

  From: Jaime Solorza 

  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 9:20 AM

  To: Animal Farm 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

   

  Even some Mennonite folks I spoke with in Cauthemoc think Trump is bad 
for US. 

  On Mar 21, 2016 9:07 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Trump questioned Romney's faith.  Not something you do in Utah.  

 

And Romney is a special case.  He came in and turned around the winter 
Olympics here and really saved the day.    

    Kind

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Chuck McCown]

I was doing an over-the-top mash up of ISIS and refugees.  He said not to allow 
Muslims into the country.  He said he would kill the families of ISIS.  Like I 
said, I was being hyperbolic.  Just like him.  

ISIS is like cancer.  The kind that spreads when you cut it out.  Kill one and 
make 10 more.  The immune systems of the Islamic nations needs to be fortified 
to do the work from within.  Just like the current batch of immunotherapies, 
the are proving very effective against cancer.  

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

you disappoint me chuck. he never said muslims, he said isis, kind of a slight 
difference there. You took the spoon and drank the koolaid with it, might as 
well just drink from the cup :-) 

And seriously, with isis (which is kind of a family affair) you realistically 
do need to eliminate three generations to even begin to address the issue. That 
applies to anyone though who believes in what they teach their offspring, that 
was taught to them by their parents.

On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Trump would be slightly more palatable if he stuck to his positions.  He will 
say something like “kill all Muslims and their familes”  one week and the next 
transition to “waterboard all Muslims”, then “soften” it due to his extreme 
“flexibility” to “we need skilled Muslims”...

  Ok, being hyperbolic myself here but not too far off the mark on Isis, Syrian 
refugees, the wall and H1B.  A Trump apologist might suggest that this proves 
he can learn and pivot.  I think he is the ultimate lying politician.  He just 
does not have the experience with the media tracking every word he has ever 
said or will say.  The others are a bit more chary and street-wise.  

  I am not sure an outsider in Washington has a chance of being effective at 
anything.  At least not for the first few years.  Especially for a president.  
Like saying a walk on (having never played - even in high school) in the NFL 
can play QB and score in the super bowl.  It will never happen.  

  From: Bill Prince 
  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:38 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

  I would say that Trump is about the last person that I would vote for 
anything. Starting at dog catcher. There are a few others I would put into the 
same category. Cruz & Carson would be on the list as "not fit for dog catcher".


bp


On 3/21/2016 9:30 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:

It's funny that everyone says "You can't say that and win"... yet Utah has 
voted Republican for the last 10 elections (40 years). I think it's a lot like 
Idaho, that many people check the first "Republican" box on the first page, and 
never turn the book to even see who that is or what they even stand for.

Do you really think if Trump wins the nomination that Utah would vote for 
Hillary over Trump? A woman as President, in a state of 50% Mormon, where they 
don't allow women to hold any real leadership positions?

Trump knows he has Utah and Idaho because they have voted Red for the last 
40 years.

Travis


On 3/21/2016 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Would  you want a new CEO of a WISP to be hired from the auto insurance 
industry or perhaps a retired school principal?  

  IMO A chief executive should have some experience with the legislative 
process and some military experience.  
  Foreign policy experience would be something I would look for on a 
resume.  

  Trump has been saying that he doesn’t really mean or believe some of the 
hyperbolic things that have came out of his mouth. 

  I know  the Lt. Gov fairly well here in Utah.  His family are 100 year 
ILEC owners.  Have known them for years.  
  This is what he said after the Trump speech:

  "I need to say this, OK, ...and last night Donald Trump did something and 
said something that I never thought I'd see a candidate for president do and 
say, especially someone in the Republican Party."
  "Think about that for a second," Cox told the crowd. "A person running 
for office, in our party, thinks it's OK that if you question his politics, he 
can question your religion. I have a message for the 3 million people in Utah 
for Mr. Donald Trump: That's not how we roll in Utah, and that's not how we 
roll in the United States of America."


  From: Travis Johnson 
      Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:01 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

  It's time for a change... that's the bottom line. Everyone else running 
is a "lifer"... someone that has been in politics or has wanted to be, their 
entire life. Nobody else is going to make any REAL changes. It's time for 
something different. 

  It's also refreshing to have someone say w

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Travis Johnson]

Utah (and Idaho too) will vote Republican. They can talk and say "we 
will never support Trump"... but at the end of the day, both states will 
be Red... as always.


I personally have wanted to get rid of the political parties for a LONG 
time... let each candidate say what he will do on every subject, and not 
be associated with these "parties" that really don't mean anything 
anymore. Republicans used to believe "this", but now, 20 years later, 
they now believe "this". The parties have no real value or benefit, 
other than to keep thousands of people employed.


Travis


On 3/21/2016 10:44 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:


Polls already show Utah switching to Democratic vote if Trump is GOP 
candidate.


Have you been watching the news?

It’s a big deal, and I believe they are right, Utah won’t stand for Trump.

Even if it’s Hilary.

And I think Utah in general would be just fine with a Woman president, 
but maybe I’m wrong.


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson
*Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 10:31 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

It's funny that everyone says "You can't say that and win"... yet Utah 
has voted Republican for the last 10 elections (40 years). I think 
it's a lot like Idaho, that many people check the first "Republican" 
box on the first page, and never turn the book to even see who that is 
or what they even stand for.


Do you really think if Trump wins the nomination that Utah would vote 
for Hillary over Trump? A woman as President, in a state of 50% 
Mormon, where they don't allow women to hold any real leadership 
positions?


Trump knows he has Utah and Idaho because they have voted Red for the 
last 40 years.


Travis

On 3/21/2016 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Would you want a new CEO of a WISP to be hired from the auto
insurance industry or perhaps a retired school principal?

IMO A chief executive should have some experience with the
legislative process and some military experience.

Foreign policy experience would be something I would look for on a
resume.

Trump has been saying that he doesn’t really mean or believe some
of the hyperbolic things that have came out of his mouth.

I know  the Lt. Gov fairly well here in Utah.  His family are 100
year ILEC owners.  Have known them for years.

This is what he said after the Trump speech:

"I need to say this, OK, ...and last night Donald Trump did
something and said something that I never thought I'd see a
candidate for president do and say, especially someone in the
Republican Party."

"Think about that for a second," Cox told the crowd. "A person
running for office, in our party, thinks it's OK that if you
question his politics, he can question your religion. I have a
message for the 3 million people in Utah for Mr. Donald Trump:
That's not how we roll in Utah, and that's not how we roll in the
United States of America."

*From:*Travis Johnson <mailto:t...@ida.net>

*Sent:*Monday, March 21, 2016 10:01 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

It's time for a change... that's the bottom line. Everyone else
running is a "lifer"... someone that has been in politics or has
wanted to be, their entire life. Nobody else is going to make any
REAL changes. It's time for something different.

It's also refreshing to have someone say what they REALLY think...
instead of giving lip service for six months before the election,
and then having them not do anything that they said. At least
Trump is saying what he thinks.

Travis

On 3/21/2016 9:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

He may be super smart and has ideas that really could be good
for the country.

He may be a super skilled negotiator.  He may be lots of things.

He looks like a megalomaniac bully that has no social graces. 
I don’t care if he was running for the local chamber of

commerce, you just cannot act like that if you want to
represent me and my interests.

    *From:*Jaime Solorza <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Monday, March 21, 2016 9:20 AM

*To:*Animal Farm <mailto:af@afmug.com>

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

Even some Mennonite folks I spoke with in Cauthemoc think
Trump is bad for US.

On Mar 21, 2016 9:07 AM, "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Trump questioned Romney's faith.  Not something you do in
Utah.

And Romney is a special case.  He came in and turned
around the winter Olympics here and really saved the day.

Kinda a fav

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

not calling you a dolt, btw

On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 11:54 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> you disappoint me chuck. he never said muslims, he said isis, kind of a
> slight difference there. You took the spoon and drank the koolaid with it,
> might as well just drink from the cup :-)
>
> And seriously, with isis (which is kind of a family affair) you
> realistically do need to eliminate three generations to even begin to
> address the issue. That applies to anyone though who believes in what they
> teach their offspring, that was taught to them by their parents.
>
> On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Trump would be slightly more palatable if he stuck to his positions.  He
>> will say something like “kill all Muslims and their familes”  one week and
>> the next transition to “waterboard all Muslims”, then “soften” it due to
>> his extreme “flexibility” to “we need skilled Muslims”...
>>
>> Ok, being hyperbolic myself here but not too far off the mark on Isis,
>> Syrian refugees, the wall and H1B.  A Trump apologist might suggest that
>> this proves he can learn and pivot.  I think he is the ultimate lying
>> politician.  He just does not have the experience with the media tracking
>> every word he has ever said or will say.  The others are a bit more chary
>> and street-wise.
>>
>> I am not sure an outsider in Washington has a chance of being effective
>> at anything.  At least not for the first few years.  Especially for a
>> president.  Like saying a walk on (having never played - even in high
>> school) in the NFL can play QB and score in the super bowl.  It will never
>> happen.
>>
>> *From:* Bill Prince 
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 10:38 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
>>
>> I would say that Trump is about the last person that I would vote for
>> anything. Starting at dog catcher. There are a few others I would put into
>> the same category. Cruz & Carson would be on the list as "not fit for dog
>> catcher".
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 3/21/2016 9:30 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:
>>
>> It's funny that everyone says "You can't say that and win"... yet Utah
>> has voted Republican for the last 10 elections (40 years). I think it's a
>> lot like Idaho, that many people check the first "Republican" box on the
>> first page, and never turn the book to even see who that is or what they
>> even stand for.
>>
>> Do you really think if Trump wins the nomination that Utah would vote for
>> Hillary over Trump? A woman as President, in a state of 50% Mormon, where
>> they don't allow women to hold any real leadership positions?
>>
>> Trump knows he has Utah and Idaho because they have voted Red for the
>> last 40 years.
>>
>> Travis
>>
>> On 3/21/2016 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> Would  you want a new CEO of a WISP to be hired from the auto insurance
>> industry or perhaps a retired school principal?
>>
>> IMO A chief executive should have some experience with the legislative
>> process and some military experience.
>> Foreign policy experience would be something I would look for on a
>> resume.
>>
>> Trump has been saying that he doesn’t really mean or believe some of the
>> hyperbolic things that have came out of his mouth.
>>
>> I know  the Lt. Gov fairly well here in Utah.  His family are 100 year
>> ILEC owners.  Have known them for years.
>> This is what he said after the Trump speech:
>>
>> "I need to say this, OK, ...and last night Donald Trump did something and
>> said something that I never thought I'd see a candidate for president do
>> and say, especially someone in the Republican Party."
>> "Think about that for a second," Cox told the crowd. "A person running
>> for office, in our party, thinks it's OK that if you question his politics,
>> he can question your religion. I have a message for the 3 million people in
>> Utah for Mr. Donald Trump: That's not how we roll in Utah, and that's not
>> how we roll in the United States of America."
>>
>>
>> *From:* Travis Johnson 
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 10:01 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
>>
>> It's time for a change... that's the bottom line. Everyone else running
>> is a "lifer"... someone that has been in politics or has wanted to be,
>> their entire life. N

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

you disappoint me chuck. he never said muslims, he said isis, kind of a
slight difference there. You took the spoon and drank the koolaid with it,
might as well just drink from the cup :-)

And seriously, with isis (which is kind of a family affair) you
realistically do need to eliminate three generations to even begin to
address the issue. That applies to anyone though who believes in what they
teach their offspring, that was taught to them by their parents.

On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Trump would be slightly more palatable if he stuck to his positions.  He
> will say something like “kill all Muslims and their familes”  one week and
> the next transition to “waterboard all Muslims”, then “soften” it due to
> his extreme “flexibility” to “we need skilled Muslims”...
>
> Ok, being hyperbolic myself here but not too far off the mark on Isis,
> Syrian refugees, the wall and H1B.  A Trump apologist might suggest that
> this proves he can learn and pivot.  I think he is the ultimate lying
> politician.  He just does not have the experience with the media tracking
> every word he has ever said or will say.  The others are a bit more chary
> and street-wise.
>
> I am not sure an outsider in Washington has a chance of being effective at
> anything.  At least not for the first few years.  Especially for a
> president.  Like saying a walk on (having never played - even in high
> school) in the NFL can play QB and score in the super bowl.  It will never
> happen.
>
> *From:* Bill Prince 
> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 10:38 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
>
> I would say that Trump is about the last person that I would vote for
> anything. Starting at dog catcher. There are a few others I would put into
> the same category. Cruz & Carson would be on the list as "not fit for dog
> catcher".
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/21/2016 9:30 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:
>
> It's funny that everyone says "You can't say that and win"... yet Utah has
> voted Republican for the last 10 elections (40 years). I think it's a lot
> like Idaho, that many people check the first "Republican" box on the first
> page, and never turn the book to even see who that is or what they even
> stand for.
>
> Do you really think if Trump wins the nomination that Utah would vote for
> Hillary over Trump? A woman as President, in a state of 50% Mormon, where
> they don't allow women to hold any real leadership positions?
>
> Trump knows he has Utah and Idaho because they have voted Red for the last
> 40 years.
>
> Travis
>
> On 3/21/2016 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Would  you want a new CEO of a WISP to be hired from the auto insurance
> industry or perhaps a retired school principal?
>
> IMO A chief executive should have some experience with the legislative
> process and some military experience.
> Foreign policy experience would be something I would look for on a
> resume.
>
> Trump has been saying that he doesn’t really mean or believe some of the
> hyperbolic things that have came out of his mouth.
>
> I know  the Lt. Gov fairly well here in Utah.  His family are 100 year
> ILEC owners.  Have known them for years.
> This is what he said after the Trump speech:
>
> "I need to say this, OK, ...and last night Donald Trump did something and
> said something that I never thought I'd see a candidate for president do
> and say, especially someone in the Republican Party."
> "Think about that for a second," Cox told the crowd. "A person running for
> office, in our party, thinks it's OK that if you question his politics, he
> can question your religion. I have a message for the 3 million people in
> Utah for Mr. Donald Trump: That's not how we roll in Utah, and that's not
> how we roll in the United States of America."
>
>
> *From:* Travis Johnson 
> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 10:01 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
>
> It's time for a change... that's the bottom line. Everyone else running is
> a "lifer"... someone that has been in politics or has wanted to be, their
> entire life. Nobody else is going to make any REAL changes. It's time for
> something different.
>
> It's also refreshing to have someone say what they REALLY think... instead
> of giving lip service for six months before the election, and then having
> them not do anything that they said. At least Trump is saying what he
> thinks.
>
> Travis
>
> On 3/21/2016 9:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> He may be super smart and has ideas that really could be good for the
> country.
&

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Chuck McCown]

Unfortunately  you are most likely right about one thing.  We will probably get 
to observe him in the general election.  

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

Yeah, it is. Youll see the formal representation in the general, this component 
is about getting the pleebs stirring. He is however in the background brokering 
political alliances and "deals". Its a poker game, and hes held his cards close 
to his chest for the primary. Wait until the general, I think youll see a much 
more professional presentation.

On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 11:25 AM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

  Just because change is what you want doesn't mean ANY change is good. His 
entire campaign seems like a stage act to me. I don't see any reason to think 
that he has honest plans to do anything positive for this country.

  On Monday, March 21, 2016, Travis Johnson  wrote:

It's time for a change... that's the bottom line. Everyone else running is 
a "lifer"... someone that has been in politics or has wanted to be, their 
entire life. Nobody else is going to make any REAL changes. It's time for 
something different. 

It's also refreshing to have someone say what they REALLY think... instead 
of giving lip service for six months before the election, and then having them 
not do anything that they said. At least Trump is saying what he thinks.

Travis


On 3/21/2016 9:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  He may be super smart and has ideas that really could be good for the 
country.
  He may be a super skilled negotiator.  He may be lots of things.

  He looks like a megalomaniac bully that has no social graces.  I don’t 
care if he was running for the local chamber of commerce, you just cannot act 
like that if you want to represent me and my interests.  

  From: Jaime Solorza 
  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 9:20 AM
      To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

  Even some Mennonite folks I spoke with in Cauthemoc think Trump is bad 
for US. 

  On Mar 21, 2016 9:07 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Trump questioned Romney's faith.  Not something you do in Utah.  

And Romney is a special case.  He came in and turned around the winter 
Olympics here and really saved the day.
Kinda a favorite son.

From: Kurt Fankhauser 
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 8:47 AM
    To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

What happened on Friday?

Sent from my iPhone 

Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110

On Mar 20, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:


  Latest polls in Utah show:
  Utah, collectively, votes “anyone but Trump”.  
  (Things were not looking great for him but he really shot his own 
dick off on Friday).

  Polls now show, if Trump is the other candidate, he loses.  
  No matter if it is Hillary, Bernie, Ted...  

  Gotta love Utah!






-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

yeah, and everybody is moving to canada too. what people say they will do,
and what they actually do arent even part of the same sport


On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 11:44 AM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> Polls already show Utah switching to Democratic vote if Trump is GOP
> candidate.
>
>
>
> Have you been watching the news?
>
>
>
> It’s a big deal, and I believe they are right, Utah won’t stand for Trump.
>
>
>
> Even if it’s Hilary.
>
>
>
> And I think Utah in general would be just fine with a Woman president, but
> maybe I’m wrong.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson
> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 10:31 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
>
>
>
> It's funny that everyone says "You can't say that and win"... yet Utah has
> voted Republican for the last 10 elections (40 years). I think it's a lot
> like Idaho, that many people check the first "Republican" box on the first
> page, and never turn the book to even see who that is or what they even
> stand for.
>
> Do you really think if Trump wins the nomination that Utah would vote for
> Hillary over Trump? A woman as President, in a state of 50% Mormon, where
> they don't allow women to hold any real leadership positions?
>
> Trump knows he has Utah and Idaho because they have voted Red for the last
> 40 years.
>
> Travis
>
> On 3/21/2016 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Would  you want a new CEO of a WISP to be hired from the auto insurance
> industry or perhaps a retired school principal?
>
>
>
> IMO A chief executive should have some experience with the legislative
> process and some military experience.
>
> Foreign policy experience would be something I would look for on a
> resume.
>
>
>
> Trump has been saying that he doesn’t really mean or believe some of the
> hyperbolic things that have came out of his mouth.
>
>
>
> I know  the Lt. Gov fairly well here in Utah.  His family are 100 year
> ILEC owners.  Have known them for years.
>
> This is what he said after the Trump speech:
>
>
>
> "I need to say this, OK, ...and last night Donald Trump did something and
> said something that I never thought I'd see a candidate for president do
> and say, especially someone in the Republican Party."
>
> "Think about that for a second," Cox told the crowd. "A person running for
> office, in our party, thinks it's OK that if you question his politics, he
> can question your religion. I have a message for the 3 million people in
> Utah for Mr. Donald Trump: That's not how we roll in Utah, and that's not
> how we roll in the United States of America."
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Travis Johnson 
>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 10:01 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
>
>
>
> It's time for a change... that's the bottom line. Everyone else running is
> a "lifer"... someone that has been in politics or has wanted to be, their
> entire life. Nobody else is going to make any REAL changes. It's time for
> something different.
>
> It's also refreshing to have someone say what they REALLY think... instead
> of giving lip service for six months before the election, and then having
> them not do anything that they said. At least Trump is saying what he
> thinks.
>
> Travis
>
> On 3/21/2016 9:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> He may be super smart and has ideas that really could be good for the
> country.
>
> He may be a super skilled negotiator.  He may be lots of things.
>
>
>
> He looks like a megalomaniac bully that has no social graces.  I don’t
> care if he was running for the local chamber of commerce, you just cannot
> act like that if you want to represent me and my interests.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 9:20 AM
>
> *To:* Animal Farm 
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
>
>
>
> Even some Mennonite folks I spoke with in Cauthemoc think Trump is bad for
> US.
>
> On Mar 21, 2016 9:07 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
> Trump questioned Romney's faith.  Not something you do in Utah.
>
>
>
> And Romney is a special case.  He came in and turned around the winter
> Olympics here and really saved the day.
>
> Kinda a favorite son.
>
>
>
> *From:* Kurt Fankhauser 
>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 8:47 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
>
>
>
> What happened on Friday?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Jason McKemie]

Odd, that's the same reason that I think Trump is currently doing well.

On Monday, March 21, 2016, That One Guy /sarcasm 
wrote:

> Thats the deal with trump, they take whatever he says, no matter how he
> says it, and try to spin it in a negative factor. This is only possible
> because the majority of the US are dolts who accept the spoon at feeding
> time without any question. Its sad when you really think about how ignorant
> the population at large is. Facebook and Twitter are the downfall of the US.
>
> On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:
>
>> I really don’t want to defend Trump, but I heard the speech on TV, and it
>> was clear to me he was saying Romney isn’t too bright, are you sure he’s a
>> Mormon?  As in you Mormons are smart, this guy isn’t (because he attacked
>> me), are you sure he’s one of you?
>>
>> So just a standard Trump attack, not really questioning his faith.  Kind
>> of a joke gone wrong.
>>
>> But attacking a favorite son on his home turf maybe speaks to Trump not
>> being very well informed.  Or he doesn’t give a crap because he knows he
>> won’t win Utah anyway.  But then why go there?
>>
>> Kind of interesting, 60 Minutes last night had an interview with the new
>> President of Argentina who is mopping up after 8 ruinous years of a
>> “populist”, albeit a left wing populist.  (I’m not sure the Peronistas fit
>> neatly into our left/right wing categories.)  And Presidente Macri is a
>> wealthy former real estate developer on his 3rd marriage, but the
>> comparison may end there.
>> http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-argentina-president-mauricio-macri/
>>
>>
>> *From:* Chuck McCown 
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 10:06 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
>>
>> Trump questioned Romney's faith.  Not something you do in Utah.
>>
>> And Romney is a special case.  He came in and turned around the winter
>> Olympics here and really saved the day.
>> Kinda a favorite son.
>>
>> *From:* Kurt Fankhauser
>> 
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 8:47 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
>>
>> What happened on Friday?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> Wavelinc Communications
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> http://www.wavelinc.com
>> tel. 419-562-6405
>> fax. 419-617-0110
>>
>> On Mar 20, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Chuck McCown > > wrote:
>>
>> Latest polls in Utah show:
>> Utah, collectively, votes “anyone but Trump”.
>> (Things were not looking great for him but he really shot his own dick
>> off on Friday).
>>
>> Polls now show, if Trump is the other candidate, he loses.
>> No matter if it is Hillary, Bernie, Ted...
>>
>> Gotta love Utah!
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Chuck McCown]

I don’t know if I could command my hands to press the Hillary button.   My DNA 
will rebel.
But I sure will not be voting Trump.  I may just skip the vote.  

From: Sterling Jacobson 
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

Polls already show Utah switching to Democratic vote if Trump is GOP candidate.

 

Have you been watching the news?

 

It’s a big deal, and I believe they are right, Utah won’t stand for Trump.

 

Even if it’s Hilary. 

 

And I think Utah in general would be just fine with a Woman president, but 
maybe I’m wrong.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

 

It's funny that everyone says "You can't say that and win"... yet Utah has 
voted Republican for the last 10 elections (40 years). I think it's a lot like 
Idaho, that many people check the first "Republican" box on the first page, and 
never turn the book to even see who that is or what they even stand for.

Do you really think if Trump wins the nomination that Utah would vote for 
Hillary over Trump? A woman as President, in a state of 50% Mormon, where they 
don't allow women to hold any real leadership positions?

Trump knows he has Utah and Idaho because they have voted Red for the last 40 
years.

Travis

On 3/21/2016 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Would  you want a new CEO of a WISP to be hired from the auto insurance 
industry or perhaps a retired school principal?  

   

  IMO A chief executive should have some experience with the legislative 
process and some military experience.  

  Foreign policy experience would be something I would look for on a resume.  

   

  Trump has been saying that he doesn’t really mean or believe some of the 
hyperbolic things that have came out of his mouth. 

   

  I know  the Lt. Gov fairly well here in Utah.  His family are 100 year ILEC 
owners.  Have known them for years.  

  This is what he said after the Trump speech:

   

  "I need to say this, OK, ...and last night Donald Trump did something and 
said something that I never thought I'd see a candidate for president do and 
say, especially someone in the Republican Party."

  "Think about that for a second," Cox told the crowd. "A person running for 
office, in our party, thinks it's OK that if you question his politics, he can 
question your religion. I have a message for the 3 million people in Utah for 
Mr. Donald Trump: That's not how we roll in Utah, and that's not how we roll in 
the United States of America."

   

   

  From: Travis Johnson 

  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:01 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

   

  It's time for a change... that's the bottom line. Everyone else running is a 
"lifer"... someone that has been in politics or has wanted to be, their entire 
life. Nobody else is going to make any REAL changes. It's time for something 
different. 

  It's also refreshing to have someone say what they REALLY think... instead of 
giving lip service for six months before the election, and then having them not 
do anything that they said. At least Trump is saying what he thinks.

  Travis

  On 3/21/2016 9:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

He may be super smart and has ideas that really could be good for the 
country.

He may be a super skilled negotiator.  He may be lots of things.

 

He looks like a megalomaniac bully that has no social graces.  I don’t care 
if he was running for the local chamber of commerce, you just cannot act like 
that if you want to represent me and my interests.  

     

    From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 9:20 AM

To: Animal Farm 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

 

Even some Mennonite folks I spoke with in Cauthemoc think Trump is bad for 
US. 

On Mar 21, 2016 9:07 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  Trump questioned Romney's faith.  Not something you do in Utah.  

   

  And Romney is a special case.  He came in and turned around the winter 
Olympics here and really saved the day.

  Kinda a favorite son.

   

      From: Kurt Fankhauser 

  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 8:47 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

   

  What happened on Friday?

  Sent from my iPhone 

   

  Kurt Fankhauser

  Wavelinc Communications

  P.O. Box 126

  Bucyrus, OH 44820

  http://www.wavelinc.com

  tel. 419-562-6405

  fax. 419-617-0110


  On Mar 20, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Latest polls in Utah show:

Utah, collectively, votes “anyone but Trump”.  

(Things were not looking great for him but he really shot his own dick 
off on Fri

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Yeah, it is. Youll see the formal representation in the general, this
component is about getting the pleebs stirring. He is however in the
background brokering political alliances and "deals". Its a poker game, and
hes held his cards close to his chest for the primary. Wait until the
general, I think youll see a much more professional presentation.

On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 11:25 AM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Just because change is what you want doesn't mean ANY change is good. His
> entire campaign seems like a stage act to me. I don't see any reason to
> think that he has honest plans to do anything positive for this country.
>
> On Monday, March 21, 2016, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>
>> It's time for a change... that's the bottom line. Everyone else running
>> is a "lifer"... someone that has been in politics or has wanted to be,
>> their entire life. Nobody else is going to make any REAL changes. It's time
>> for something different.
>>
>> It's also refreshing to have someone say what they REALLY think...
>> instead of giving lip service for six months before the election, and then
>> having them not do anything that they said. At least Trump is saying what
>> he thinks.
>>
>> Travis
>>
>> On 3/21/2016 9:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> He may be super smart and has ideas that really could be good for the
>> country.
>> He may be a super skilled negotiator.  He may be lots of things.
>>
>> He looks like a megalomaniac bully that has no social graces.  I don’t
>> care if he was running for the local chamber of commerce, you just cannot
>> act like that if you want to represent me and my interests.
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 9:20 AM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
>>
>>
>> Even some Mennonite folks I spoke with in Cauthemoc think Trump is bad
>> for US.
>> On Mar 21, 2016 9:07 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>>> Trump questioned Romney's faith.  Not something you do in Utah.
>>>
>>> And Romney is a special case.  He came in and turned around the winter
>>> Olympics here and really saved the day.
>>> Kinda a favorite son.
>>>
>>> *From:* Kurt Fankhauser
>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 8:47 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
>>>
>>> What happened on Friday?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>> Wavelinc Communications
>>> P.O. Box 126
>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>> http://www.wavelinc.com
>>> tel. 419-562-6405
>>> fax. 419-617-0110
>>>
>>> On Mar 20, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
>>> Latest polls in Utah show:
>>> Utah, collectively, votes “anyone but Trump”.
>>> (Things were not looking great for him but he really shot his own dick
>>> off on Friday).
>>>
>>> Polls now show, if Trump is the other candidate, he loses.
>>> No matter if it is Hillary, Bernie, Ted...
>>>
>>> Gotta love Utah!
>>>
>>>
>>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Chuck McCown]

Trump would be slightly more palatable if he stuck to his positions.  He will 
say something like “kill all Muslims and their familes”  one week and the next 
transition to “waterboard all Muslims”, then “soften” it due to his extreme 
“flexibility” to “we need skilled Muslims”...

Ok, being hyperbolic myself here but not too far off the mark on Isis, Syrian 
refugees, the wall and H1B.  A Trump apologist might suggest that this proves 
he can learn and pivot.  I think he is the ultimate lying politician.  He just 
does not have the experience with the media tracking every word he has ever 
said or will say.  The others are a bit more chary and street-wise.  

I am not sure an outsider in Washington has a chance of being effective at 
anything.  At least not for the first few years.  Especially for a president.  
Like saying a walk on (having never played - even in high school) in the NFL 
can play QB and score in the super bowl.  It will never happen.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

I would say that Trump is about the last person that I would vote for anything. 
Starting at dog catcher. There are a few others I would put into the same 
category. Cruz & Carson would be on the list as "not fit for dog catcher".


bp


On 3/21/2016 9:30 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:

  It's funny that everyone says "You can't say that and win"... yet Utah has 
voted Republican for the last 10 elections (40 years). I think it's a lot like 
Idaho, that many people check the first "Republican" box on the first page, and 
never turn the book to even see who that is or what they even stand for.

  Do you really think if Trump wins the nomination that Utah would vote for 
Hillary over Trump? A woman as President, in a state of 50% Mormon, where they 
don't allow women to hold any real leadership positions?

  Trump knows he has Utah and Idaho because they have voted Red for the last 40 
years.

  Travis


  On 3/21/2016 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Would  you want a new CEO of a WISP to be hired from the auto insurance 
industry or perhaps a retired school principal?  

IMO A chief executive should have some experience with the legislative 
process and some military experience.  
Foreign policy experience would be something I would look for on a resume.  

Trump has been saying that he doesn’t really mean or believe some of the 
hyperbolic things that have came out of his mouth. 

I know  the Lt. Gov fairly well here in Utah.  His family are 100 year ILEC 
owners.  Have known them for years.  
This is what he said after the Trump speech:

"I need to say this, OK, ...and last night Donald Trump did something and 
said something that I never thought I'd see a candidate for president do and 
say, especially someone in the Republican Party."
"Think about that for a second," Cox told the crowd. "A person running for 
office, in our party, thinks it's OK that if you question his politics, he can 
question your religion. I have a message for the 3 million people in Utah for 
Mr. Donald Trump: That's not how we roll in Utah, and that's not how we roll in 
the United States of America."


From: Travis Johnson 
    Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

It's time for a change... that's the bottom line. Everyone else running is 
a "lifer"... someone that has been in politics or has wanted to be, their 
entire life. Nobody else is going to make any REAL changes. It's time for 
something different. 

It's also refreshing to have someone say what they REALLY think... instead 
of giving lip service for six months before the election, and then having them 
not do anything that they said. At least Trump is saying what he thinks.

Travis


On 3/21/2016 9:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  He may be super smart and has ideas that really could be good for the 
country.
  He may be a super skilled negotiator.  He may be lots of things.

  He looks like a megalomaniac bully that has no social graces.  I don’t 
care if he was running for the local chamber of commerce, you just cannot act 
like that if you want to represent me and my interests.  

  From: Jaime Solorza 
  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 9:20 AM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

  Even some Mennonite folks I spoke with in Cauthemoc think Trump is bad 
for US. 

  On Mar 21, 2016 9:07 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Trump questioned Romney's faith.  Not something you do in Utah.  

And Romney is a special case.  He came in and turned around the winter 
Olympics here and really saved the day.
    Kinda a favorite son.

From: Kurt Fankhauser 
Sent: Monday, M

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Thats the deal with trump, they take whatever he says, no matter how he
says it, and try to spin it in a negative factor. This is only possible
because the majority of the US are dolts who accept the spoon at feeding
time without any question. Its sad when you really think about how ignorant
the population at large is. Facebook and Twitter are the downfall of the US.

On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I really don’t want to defend Trump, but I heard the speech on TV, and it
> was clear to me he was saying Romney isn’t too bright, are you sure he’s a
> Mormon?  As in you Mormons are smart, this guy isn’t (because he attacked
> me), are you sure he’s one of you?
>
> So just a standard Trump attack, not really questioning his faith.  Kind
> of a joke gone wrong.
>
> But attacking a favorite son on his home turf maybe speaks to Trump not
> being very well informed.  Or he doesn’t give a crap because he knows he
> won’t win Utah anyway.  But then why go there?
>
> Kind of interesting, 60 Minutes last night had an interview with the new
> President of Argentina who is mopping up after 8 ruinous years of a
> “populist”, albeit a left wing populist.  (I’m not sure the Peronistas fit
> neatly into our left/right wing categories.)  And Presidente Macri is a
> wealthy former real estate developer on his 3rd marriage, but the
> comparison may end there.
> http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-argentina-president-mauricio-macri/
>
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown 
> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 10:06 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
>
> Trump questioned Romney's faith.  Not something you do in Utah.
>
> And Romney is a special case.  He came in and turned around the winter
> Olympics here and really saved the day.
> Kinda a favorite son.
>
> *From:* Kurt Fankhauser 
> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 8:47 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
>
> What happened on Friday?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> Wavelinc Communications
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> http://www.wavelinc.com
> tel. 419-562-6405
> fax. 419-617-0110
>
> On Mar 20, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Latest polls in Utah show:
> Utah, collectively, votes “anyone but Trump”.
> (Things were not looking great for him but he really shot his own dick off
> on Friday).
>
> Polls now show, if Trump is the other candidate, he loses.
> No matter if it is Hillary, Bernie, Ted...
>
> Gotta love Utah!
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Sterling Jacobson]

Polls already show Utah switching to Democratic vote if Trump is GOP candidate.

Have you been watching the news?

It’s a big deal, and I believe they are right, Utah won’t stand for Trump.

Even if it’s Hilary.

And I think Utah in general would be just fine with a Woman president, but 
maybe I’m wrong.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

It's funny that everyone says "You can't say that and win"... yet Utah has 
voted Republican for the last 10 elections (40 years). I think it's a lot like 
Idaho, that many people check the first "Republican" box on the first page, and 
never turn the book to even see who that is or what they even stand for.

Do you really think if Trump wins the nomination that Utah would vote for 
Hillary over Trump? A woman as President, in a state of 50% Mormon, where they 
don't allow women to hold any real leadership positions?

Trump knows he has Utah and Idaho because they have voted Red for the last 40 
years.

Travis
On 3/21/2016 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Would  you want a new CEO of a WISP to be hired from the auto insurance 
industry or perhaps a retired school principal?

IMO A chief executive should have some experience with the legislative process 
and some military experience.
Foreign policy experience would be something I would look for on a resume.

Trump has been saying that he doesn’t really mean or believe some of the 
hyperbolic things that have came out of his mouth.

I know  the Lt. Gov fairly well here in Utah.  His family are 100 year ILEC 
owners.  Have known them for years.
This is what he said after the Trump speech:

"I need to say this, OK, ...and last night Donald Trump did something and said 
something that I never thought I'd see a candidate for president do and say, 
especially someone in the Republican Party."
"Think about that for a second," Cox told the crowd. "A person running for 
office, in our party, thinks it's OK that if you question his politics, he can 
question your religion. I have a message for the 3 million people in Utah for 
Mr. Donald Trump: That's not how we roll in Utah, and that's not how we roll in 
the United States of America."


From: Travis Johnson<mailto:t...@ida.net>
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

It's time for a change... that's the bottom line. Everyone else running is a 
"lifer"... someone that has been in politics or has wanted to be, their entire 
life. Nobody else is going to make any REAL changes. It's time for something 
different.

It's also refreshing to have someone say what they REALLY think... instead of 
giving lip service for six months before the election, and then having them not 
do anything that they said. At least Trump is saying what he thinks.

Travis
On 3/21/2016 9:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
He may be super smart and has ideas that really could be good for the country.
He may be a super skilled negotiator.  He may be lots of things.

He looks like a megalomaniac bully that has no social graces.  I don’t care if 
he was running for the local chamber of commerce, you just cannot act like that 
if you want to represent me and my interests.

From: Jaime Solorza<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 9:20 AM
To: Animal Farm<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah


Even some Mennonite folks I spoke with in Cauthemoc think Trump is bad for US.
On Mar 21, 2016 9:07 AM, "Chuck McCown" 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Trump questioned Romney's faith.  Not something you do in Utah.

And Romney is a special case.  He came in and turned around the winter Olympics 
here and really saved the day.
Kinda a favorite son.

From: Kurt Fankhauser<mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 8:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

What happened on Friday?

Sent from my iPhone

Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110

On Mar 20, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Chuck McCown 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Latest polls in Utah show:
Utah, collectively, votes “anyone but Trump”.
(Things were not looking great for him but he really shot his own dick off on 
Friday).

Polls now show, if Trump is the other candidate, he loses.
No matter if it is Hillary, Bernie, Ted...

Gotta love Utah!

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Ken Hohhof]

> At least Trump is saying what he thinks.

Or he is saying what he thinks his audience wants to hear.  If you go back to 
before he decided to run for office and started the Obama birther thing, I 
don’t see examples of Trump saying these things and taking these positions.  He 
was actually a fairly genial, well mannered guy, not hating on anybody.  What 
evidence do you have that what he says now is what he really believes?  Rather 
than just playing to the crowd?

If your criterion is someone who says what he really thinks, and wants to make 
real changes, shouldn’t you be a Bernie supporter?  You may not like what he 
thinks, but does anybody doubt that he really does think that?

BTW, Hillary’s attack line on Trump at the AIPAC conference this morning was 
he’s neutral on Israel one day, pro Israel the next, “everything’s negotiable”. 
 We’ll probably hear that line a lot.  Isn’t Trump always just negotiating a 
deal?


From: Travis Johnson 
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

It's time for a change... that's the bottom line. Everyone else running is a 
"lifer"... someone that has been in politics or has wanted to be, their entire 
life. Nobody else is going to make any REAL changes. It's time for something 
different. 

It's also refreshing to have someone say what they REALLY think... instead of 
giving lip service for six months before the election, and then having them not 
do anything that they said. At least Trump is saying what he thinks.

Travis


On 3/21/2016 9:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  He may be super smart and has ideas that really could be good for the country.
  He may be a super skilled negotiator.  He may be lots of things.

  He looks like a megalomaniac bully that has no social graces.  I don’t care 
if he was running for the local chamber of commerce, you just cannot act like 
that if you want to represent me and my interests.  

  From: Jaime Solorza 
  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 9:20 AM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

  Even some Mennonite folks I spoke with in Cauthemoc think Trump is bad for 
US. 

  On Mar 21, 2016 9:07 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Trump questioned Romney's faith.  Not something you do in Utah.  

And Romney is a special case.  He came in and turned around the winter 
Olympics here and really saved the day.
Kinda a favorite son.

From: Kurt Fankhauser 
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 8:47 AM
    To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

What happened on Friday?

Sent from my iPhone 

Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110

On Mar 20, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:


  Latest polls in Utah show:
  Utah, collectively, votes “anyone but Trump”.  
  (Things were not looking great for him but he really shot his own dick 
off on Friday).

  Polls now show, if Trump is the other candidate, he loses.  
  No matter if it is Hillary, Bernie, Ted...  

  Gotta love Utah!

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Sean Heskett]

I hear that Obama guy has some change...maybe he'll have some spare change
for y'all when he's done in office ;-)

-Sean

On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 10:01 AM, Travis Johnson  wrote:

> It's time for a change... that's the bottom line. Everyone else running is
> a "lifer"... someone that has been in politics or has wanted to be, their
> entire life. Nobody else is going to make any REAL changes. It's time for
> something different.
>
> It's also refreshing to have someone say what they REALLY think... instead
> of giving lip service for six months before the election, and then having
> them not do anything that they said. At least Trump is saying what he
> thinks.
>
> Travis
>
>
> On 3/21/2016 9:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> He may be super smart and has ideas that really could be good for the
> country.
> He may be a super skilled negotiator.  He may be lots of things.
>
> He looks like a megalomaniac bully that has no social graces.  I don’t
> care if he was running for the local chamber of commerce, you just cannot
> act like that if you want to represent me and my interests.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 9:20 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
>
>
> Even some Mennonite folks I spoke with in Cauthemoc think Trump is bad for
> US.
> On Mar 21, 2016 9:07 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> Trump questioned Romney's faith.  Not something you do in Utah.
>>
>> And Romney is a special case.  He came in and turned around the winter
>> Olympics here and really saved the day.
>> Kinda a favorite son.
>>
>> *From:* Kurt Fankhauser 
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 8:47 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
>>
>> What happened on Friday?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> Wavelinc Communications
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> http://www.wavelinc.com
>> tel. 419-562-6405
>> fax. 419-617-0110
>>
>> On Mar 20, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Chuck McCown < 
>> ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>> Latest polls in Utah show:
>> Utah, collectively, votes “anyone but Trump”.
>> (Things were not looking great for him but he really shot his own dick
>> off on Friday).
>>
>> Polls now show, if Trump is the other candidate, he loses.
>> No matter if it is Hillary, Bernie, Ted...
>>
>> Gotta love Utah!
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Bill Prince]

I would say that Trump is about the last person that I would vote for 
anything. Starting at dog catcher. There are a few others I would put 
into the same category. Cruz & Carson would be on the list as "not fit 
for dog catcher".


bp


On 3/21/2016 9:30 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:
It's funny that everyone says "You can't say that and win"... yet Utah 
has voted Republican for the last 10 elections (40 years). I think 
it's a lot like Idaho, that many people check the first "Republican" 
box on the first page, and never turn the book to even see who that is 
or what they even stand for.


Do you really think if Trump wins the nomination that Utah would vote 
for Hillary over Trump? A woman as President, in a state of 50% 
Mormon, where they don't allow women to hold any real leadership 
positions?


Trump knows he has Utah and Idaho because they have voted Red for the 
last 40 years.


Travis

On 3/21/2016 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Would  you want a new CEO of a WISP to be hired from the auto 
insurance industry or perhaps a retired school principal?
IMO A chief executive should have some experience with the 
legislative process and some military experience.
Foreign policy experience would be something I would look for on a 
resume.
Trump has been saying that he doesn’t really mean or believe some of 
the hyperbolic things that have came out of his mouth.
I know  the Lt. Gov fairly well here in Utah.  His family are 100 
year ILEC owners.  Have known them for years.

This is what he said after the Trump speech:
"I need to say this, OK, ...and last night Donald Trump did something 
and said something that I never thought I'd see a candidate for 
president do and say, especially someone in the Republican Party."
"Think about that for a second," Cox told the crowd. "A person 
running for office, in our party, thinks it's OK that if you question 
his politics, he can question your religion. I have a message for the 
3 million people in Utah for Mr. Donald Trump: That's not how we roll 
in Utah, and that's not how we roll in the United States of America."

*From:* Travis Johnson <mailto:t...@ida.net>
*Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 10:01 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
It's time for a change... that's the bottom line. Everyone else 
running is a "lifer"... someone that has been in politics or has 
wanted to be, their entire life. Nobody else is going to make any 
REAL changes. It's time for something different.


It's also refreshing to have someone say what they REALLY think... 
instead of giving lip service for six months before the election, and 
then having them not do anything that they said. At least Trump is 
saying what he thinks.


Travis

On 3/21/2016 9:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
He may be super smart and has ideas that really could be good for 
the country.

He may be a super skilled negotiator.  He may be lots of things.
He looks like a megalomaniac bully that has no social graces.  I 
don’t care if he was running for the local chamber of commerce, you 
just cannot act like that if you want to represent me and my interests.

*From:* Jaime Solorza <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 9:20 AM
*To:* Animal Farm <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

Even some Mennonite folks I spoke with in Cauthemoc think Trump is 
bad for US.


On Mar 21, 2016 9:07 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Trump questioned Romney's faith. Not something you do in Utah.
And Romney is a special case.  He came in and turned around the
winter Olympics here and really saved the day.
    Kinda a favorite son.
*From:* Kurt Fankhauser <mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 8:47 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
What happened on Friday?

Sent from my iPhone
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405 
fax. 419-617-0110 

On Mar 20, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:


Latest polls in Utah show:
Utah, collectively, votes “anyone but Trump”.
(Things were not looking great for him but he really shot his
own dick off on Friday).
Polls now show, if Trump is the other candidate, he loses.
No matter if it is Hillary, Bernie, Ted...
Gotta love Utah!

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Sterling Jacobson]

I like the idea of change and someone who can talk reality.

Trump seems like that, but he’s not the candidate I want or will ever vote for 
because of how he represents.

Although Bernie and Cruz both seem to represent change, and seem consistent in 
their track records to some degree, they are both part of the system.

Neither of them, or Hillary, are people I would normally vote for either.

So the bottom line for me isn’t change for change’s sake.

It’s still finding the right person for the job.

I feel the same way with people I hire or contract.
I don’t want a bad fit, and there is a low count of available people that fit 
well at the moment.

I would have thought there would be a better fit/candidate out of the large 
pool of experienced politicians and general American population.

But it really does seem America has a dysfunctional election system and process 
now.

So the best I can do is vote for Cruz and hope he beats both Trump and 
Bernie/Hillary, and on TOP of that fulfills most of his campaign promises (The 
ones I align with most) and isn’t as swayed by lobbyist etc.

What a mess.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

It's time for a change... that's the bottom line. Everyone else running is a 
"lifer"... someone that has been in politics or has wanted to be, their entire 
life. Nobody else is going to make any REAL changes. It's time for something 
different.

It's also refreshing to have someone say what they REALLY think... instead of 
giving lip service for six months before the election, and then having them not 
do anything that they said. At least Trump is saying what he thinks.

Travis
On 3/21/2016 9:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
He may be super smart and has ideas that really could be good for the country.
He may be a super skilled negotiator.  He may be lots of things.

He looks like a megalomaniac bully that has no social graces.  I don’t care if 
he was running for the local chamber of commerce, you just cannot act like that 
if you want to represent me and my interests.

From: Jaime Solorza<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 9:20 AM
To: Animal Farm<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah


Even some Mennonite folks I spoke with in Cauthemoc think Trump is bad for US.
On Mar 21, 2016 9:07 AM, "Chuck McCown" 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Trump questioned Romney's faith.  Not something you do in Utah.

And Romney is a special case.  He came in and turned around the winter Olympics 
here and really saved the day.
Kinda a favorite son.

From: Kurt Fankhauser<mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 8:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

What happened on Friday?

Sent from my iPhone

Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110

On Mar 20, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Chuck McCown 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Latest polls in Utah show:
Utah, collectively, votes “anyone but Trump”.
(Things were not looking great for him but he really shot his own dick off on 
Friday).

Polls now show, if Trump is the other candidate, he loses.
No matter if it is Hillary, Bernie, Ted...

Gotta love Utah!

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Bill Prince]

I saw that interview, and left/right in Argentina does not mean the same 
as here. Quite different.


bp


On 3/21/2016 9:08 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I really don’t want to defend Trump, but I heard the speech on TV, and 
it was clear to me he was saying Romney isn’t too bright, are you sure 
he’s a Mormon?  As in you Mormons are smart, this guy isn’t (because 
he attacked me), are you sure he’s one of you?
So just a standard Trump attack, not really questioning his faith.  
Kind of a joke gone wrong.
But attacking a favorite son on his home turf maybe speaks to Trump 
not being very well informed.  Or he doesn’t give a crap because he 
knows he won’t win Utah anyway.  But then why go there?
Kind of interesting, 60 Minutes last night had an interview with the 
new President of Argentina who is mopping up after 8 ruinous years of 
a “populist”, albeit a left wing populist.  (I’m not sure the 
Peronistas fit neatly into our left/right wing categories.)  And 
Presidente Macri is a wealthy former real estate developer on his 3rd 
marriage, but the comparison may end there.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-argentina-president-mauricio-macri/
*From:* Chuck McCown <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
*Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 10:06 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
Trump questioned Romney's faith.  Not something you do in Utah.
And Romney is a special case.  He came in and turned around the winter 
Olympics here and really saved the day.

Kinda a favorite son.
*From:* Kurt Fankhauser <mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 8:47 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
What happened on Friday?

Sent from my iPhone
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110

On Mar 20, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Chuck McCown <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:



Latest polls in Utah show:
Utah, collectively, votes “anyone but Trump”.
(Things were not looking great for him but he really shot his own 
dick off on Friday).

Polls now show, if Trump is the other candidate, he loses.
No matter if it is Hillary, Bernie, Ted...
Gotta love Utah!

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Travis Johnson]

It's funny that everyone says "You can't say that and win"... yet Utah 
has voted Republican for the last 10 elections (40 years). I think it's 
a lot like Idaho, that many people check the first "Republican" box on 
the first page, and never turn the book to even see who that is or what 
they even stand for.


Do you really think if Trump wins the nomination that Utah would vote 
for Hillary over Trump? A woman as President, in a state of 50% Mormon, 
where they don't allow women to hold any real leadership positions?


Trump knows he has Utah and Idaho because they have voted Red for the 
last 40 years.


Travis

On 3/21/2016 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Would  you want a new CEO of a WISP to be hired from the auto 
insurance industry or perhaps a retired school principal?
IMO A chief executive should have some experience with the legislative 
process and some military experience.
Foreign policy experience would be something I would look for on a 
resume.
Trump has been saying that he doesn’t really mean or believe some of 
the hyperbolic things that have came out of his mouth.
I know  the Lt. Gov fairly well here in Utah.  His family are 100 year 
ILEC owners.  Have known them for years.

This is what he said after the Trump speech:
"I need to say this, OK, ...and last night Donald Trump did something 
and said something that I never thought I'd see a candidate for 
president do and say, especially someone in the Republican Party."
"Think about that for a second," Cox told the crowd. "A person running 
for office, in our party, thinks it's OK that if you question his 
politics, he can question your religion. I have a message for the 3 
million people in Utah for Mr. Donald Trump: That's not how we roll in 
Utah, and that's not how we roll in the United States of America."

*From:* Travis Johnson <mailto:t...@ida.net>
*Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 10:01 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
It's time for a change... that's the bottom line. Everyone else 
running is a "lifer"... someone that has been in politics or has 
wanted to be, their entire life. Nobody else is going to make any REAL 
changes. It's time for something different.


It's also refreshing to have someone say what they REALLY think... 
instead of giving lip service for six months before the election, and 
then having them not do anything that they said. At least Trump is 
saying what he thinks.


Travis

On 3/21/2016 9:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
He may be super smart and has ideas that really could be good for the 
country.

He may be a super skilled negotiator.  He may be lots of things.
He looks like a megalomaniac bully that has no social graces.  I 
don’t care if he was running for the local chamber of commerce, you 
just cannot act like that if you want to represent me and my interests.

*From:* Jaime Solorza <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 9:20 AM
*To:* Animal Farm <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

Even some Mennonite folks I spoke with in Cauthemoc think Trump is 
bad for US.


On Mar 21, 2016 9:07 AM, "Chuck McCown" <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:


Trump questioned Romney's faith.  Not something you do in Utah.
And Romney is a special case.  He came in and turned around the
winter Olympics here and really saved the day.
Kinda a favorite son.
    *From:* Kurt Fankhauser <mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 8:47 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
What happened on Friday?

Sent from my iPhone
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405 
fax. 419-617-0110 

On Mar 20, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:


Latest polls in Utah show:
Utah, collectively, votes “anyone but Trump”.
(Things were not looking great for him but he really shot his
own dick off on Friday).
Polls now show, if Trump is the other candidate, he loses.
No matter if it is Hillary, Bernie, Ted...
Gotta love Utah!

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Jason McKemie]

Just because change is what you want doesn't mean ANY change is good. His
entire campaign seems like a stage act to me. I don't see any reason to
think that he has honest plans to do anything positive for this country.

On Monday, March 21, 2016, Travis Johnson  wrote:

> It's time for a change... that's the bottom line. Everyone else running is
> a "lifer"... someone that has been in politics or has wanted to be, their
> entire life. Nobody else is going to make any REAL changes. It's time for
> something different.
>
> It's also refreshing to have someone say what they REALLY think... instead
> of giving lip service for six months before the election, and then having
> them not do anything that they said. At least Trump is saying what he
> thinks.
>
> Travis
>
> On 3/21/2016 9:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> He may be super smart and has ideas that really could be good for the
> country.
> He may be a super skilled negotiator.  He may be lots of things.
>
> He looks like a megalomaniac bully that has no social graces.  I don’t
> care if he was running for the local chamber of commerce, you just cannot
> act like that if you want to represent me and my interests.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> 
> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 9:20 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
>
>
> Even some Mennonite folks I spoke with in Cauthemoc think Trump is bad for
> US.
> On Mar 21, 2016 9:07 AM, "Chuck McCown"  > wrote:
>
>> Trump questioned Romney's faith.  Not something you do in Utah.
>>
>> And Romney is a special case.  He came in and turned around the winter
>> Olympics here and really saved the day.
>> Kinda a favorite son.
>>
>> *From:* Kurt Fankhauser
>> 
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 8:47 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
>>
>> What happened on Friday?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> Wavelinc Communications
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> http://www.wavelinc.com
>> tel. 419-562-6405
>> fax. 419-617-0110
>>
>> On Mar 20, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Chuck McCown <
>> ch...@wbmfg.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Latest polls in Utah show:
>> Utah, collectively, votes “anyone but Trump”.
>> (Things were not looking great for him but he really shot his own dick
>> off on Friday).
>>
>> Polls now show, if Trump is the other candidate, he loses.
>> No matter if it is Hillary, Bernie, Ted...
>>
>> Gotta love Utah!
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Chuck McCown]

He doesn’t  give a crap about most things but  his own ego.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:08 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

I really don’t want to defend Trump, but I heard the speech on TV, and it was 
clear to me he was saying Romney isn’t too bright, are you sure he’s a Mormon?  
As in you Mormons are smart, this guy isn’t (because he attacked me), are you 
sure he’s one of you?

So just a standard Trump attack, not really questioning his faith.  Kind of a 
joke gone wrong.

But attacking a favorite son on his home turf maybe speaks to Trump not being 
very well informed.  Or he doesn’t give a crap because he knows he won’t win 
Utah anyway.  But then why go there?

Kind of interesting, 60 Minutes last night had an interview with the new 
President of Argentina who is mopping up after 8 ruinous years of a “populist”, 
albeit a left wing populist.  (I’m not sure the Peronistas fit neatly into our 
left/right wing categories.)  And Presidente Macri is a wealthy former real 
estate developer on his 3rd marriage, but the comparison may end there.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-argentina-president-mauricio-macri/


From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

Trump questioned Romney's faith.  Not something you do in Utah.  

And Romney is a special case.  He came in and turned around the winter Olympics 
here and really saved the day.
Kinda a favorite son.

From: Kurt Fankhauser 
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 8:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

What happened on Friday?

Sent from my iPhone 

Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110

On Mar 20, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:


  Latest polls in Utah show:
  Utah, collectively, votes “anyone but Trump”.  
  (Things were not looking great for him but he really shot his own dick off on 
Friday).

  Polls now show, if Trump is the other candidate, he loses.  
  No matter if it is Hillary, Bernie, Ted...  

  Gotta love Utah!

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Chuck McCown]

Would  you want a new CEO of a WISP to be hired from the auto insurance 
industry or perhaps a retired school principal?  

IMO A chief executive should have some experience with the legislative process 
and some military experience.  
Foreign policy experience would be something I would look for on a resume.  

Trump has been saying that he doesn’t really mean or believe some of the 
hyperbolic things that have came out of his mouth. 

I know  the Lt. Gov fairly well here in Utah.  His family are 100 year ILEC 
owners.  Have known them for years.  
This is what he said after the Trump speech:

"I need to say this, OK, ...and last night Donald Trump did something and said 
something that I never thought I'd see a candidate for president do and say, 
especially someone in the Republican Party."
"Think about that for a second," Cox told the crowd. "A person running for 
office, in our party, thinks it's OK that if you question his politics, he can 
question your religion. I have a message for the 3 million people in Utah for 
Mr. Donald Trump: That's not how we roll in Utah, and that's not how we roll in 
the United States of America."


From: Travis Johnson 
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

It's time for a change... that's the bottom line. Everyone else running is a 
"lifer"... someone that has been in politics or has wanted to be, their entire 
life. Nobody else is going to make any REAL changes. It's time for something 
different. 

It's also refreshing to have someone say what they REALLY think... instead of 
giving lip service for six months before the election, and then having them not 
do anything that they said. At least Trump is saying what he thinks.

Travis


On 3/21/2016 9:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  He may be super smart and has ideas that really could be good for the country.
  He may be a super skilled negotiator.  He may be lots of things.

  He looks like a megalomaniac bully that has no social graces.  I don’t care 
if he was running for the local chamber of commerce, you just cannot act like 
that if you want to represent me and my interests.  

  From: Jaime Solorza 
  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 9:20 AM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

  Even some Mennonite folks I spoke with in Cauthemoc think Trump is bad for 
US. 

  On Mar 21, 2016 9:07 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Trump questioned Romney's faith.  Not something you do in Utah.  

And Romney is a special case.  He came in and turned around the winter 
Olympics here and really saved the day.
Kinda a favorite son.

From: Kurt Fankhauser 
    Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 8:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

What happened on Friday?

Sent from my iPhone 

Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110

On Mar 20, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:


  Latest polls in Utah show:
  Utah, collectively, votes “anyone but Trump”.  
  (Things were not looking great for him but he really shot his own dick 
off on Friday).

  Polls now show, if Trump is the other candidate, he loses.  
  No matter if it is Hillary, Bernie, Ted...  

  Gotta love Utah!

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Ken Hohhof]

I really don’t want to defend Trump, but I heard the speech on TV, and it was 
clear to me he was saying Romney isn’t too bright, are you sure he’s a Mormon?  
As in you Mormons are smart, this guy isn’t (because he attacked me), are you 
sure he’s one of you?

So just a standard Trump attack, not really questioning his faith.  Kind of a 
joke gone wrong.

But attacking a favorite son on his home turf maybe speaks to Trump not being 
very well informed.  Or he doesn’t give a crap because he knows he won’t win 
Utah anyway.  But then why go there?

Kind of interesting, 60 Minutes last night had an interview with the new 
President of Argentina who is mopping up after 8 ruinous years of a “populist”, 
albeit a left wing populist.  (I’m not sure the Peronistas fit neatly into our 
left/right wing categories.)  And Presidente Macri is a wealthy former real 
estate developer on his 3rd marriage, but the comparison may end there.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-argentina-president-mauricio-macri/


From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

Trump questioned Romney's faith.  Not something you do in Utah.  

And Romney is a special case.  He came in and turned around the winter Olympics 
here and really saved the day.
Kinda a favorite son.

From: Kurt Fankhauser 
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 8:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

What happened on Friday?

Sent from my iPhone 

Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110

On Mar 20, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:


  Latest polls in Utah show:
  Utah, collectively, votes “anyone but Trump”.  
  (Things were not looking great for him but he really shot his own dick off on 
Friday).

  Polls now show, if Trump is the other candidate, he loses.  
  No matter if it is Hillary, Bernie, Ted...  

  Gotta love Utah!

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Bill Prince]

If the asshat actually said something besides just insulting everyone. 
99% of what comes out of his mouth is totally vacuous.


bp


On 3/21/2016 9:01 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:
It's time for a change... that's the bottom line. Everyone else 
running is a "lifer"... someone that has been in politics or has 
wanted to be, their entire life. Nobody else is going to make any REAL 
changes. It's time for something different.


It's also refreshing to have someone say what they REALLY think... 
instead of giving lip service for six months before the election, and 
then having them not do anything that they said. At least Trump is 
saying what he thinks.


Travis

On 3/21/2016 9:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
He may be super smart and has ideas that really could be good for the 
country.

He may be a super skilled negotiator.  He may be lots of things.
He looks like a megalomaniac bully that has no social graces.  I 
don’t care if he was running for the local chamber of commerce, you 
just cannot act like that if you want to represent me and my interests.

*From:* Jaime Solorza <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 9:20 AM
*To:* Animal Farm <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

Even some Mennonite folks I spoke with in Cauthemoc think Trump is 
bad for US.


On Mar 21, 2016 9:07 AM, "Chuck McCown" <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:


Trump questioned Romney's faith.  Not something you do in Utah.
And Romney is a special case.  He came in and turned around the
winter Olympics here and really saved the day.
Kinda a favorite son.
*From:* Kurt Fankhauser <mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 8:47 AM
    *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
What happened on Friday?

Sent from my iPhone
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405 
fax. 419-617-0110 

On Mar 20, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:


Latest polls in Utah show:
Utah, collectively, votes “anyone but Trump”.
(Things were not looking great for him but he really shot his
own dick off on Friday).
Polls now show, if Trump is the other candidate, he loses.
No matter if it is Hillary, Bernie, Ted...
Gotta love Utah!

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Travis Johnson]

It's time for a change... that's the bottom line. Everyone else running 
is a "lifer"... someone that has been in politics or has wanted to be, 
their entire life. Nobody else is going to make any REAL changes. It's 
time for something different.


It's also refreshing to have someone say what they REALLY think... 
instead of giving lip service for six months before the election, and 
then having them not do anything that they said. At least Trump is 
saying what he thinks.


Travis

On 3/21/2016 9:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
He may be super smart and has ideas that really could be good for the 
country.

He may be a super skilled negotiator.  He may be lots of things.
He looks like a megalomaniac bully that has no social graces.  I don’t 
care if he was running for the local chamber of commerce, you just 
cannot act like that if you want to represent me and my interests.

*From:* Jaime Solorza <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 9:20 AM
*To:* Animal Farm <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

Even some Mennonite folks I spoke with in Cauthemoc think Trump is bad 
for US.


On Mar 21, 2016 9:07 AM, "Chuck McCown" <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:


Trump questioned Romney's faith.  Not something you do in Utah.
And Romney is a special case.  He came in and turned around the
winter Olympics here and really saved the day.
Kinda a favorite son.
*From:* Kurt Fankhauser <mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 8:47 AM
    *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
What happened on Friday?

Sent from my iPhone
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405 
fax. 419-617-0110 

On Mar 20, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:


Latest polls in Utah show:
Utah, collectively, votes “anyone but Trump”.
(Things were not looking great for him but he really shot his own
dick off on Friday).
Polls now show, if Trump is the other candidate, he loses.
No matter if it is Hillary, Bernie, Ted...
Gotta love Utah!

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Chuck McCown]

He may be super smart and has ideas that really could be good for the country.
He may be a super skilled negotiator.  He may be lots of things.

He looks like a megalomaniac bully that has no social graces.  I don’t care if 
he was running for the local chamber of commerce, you just cannot act like that 
if you want to represent me and my interests.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 9:20 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

Even some Mennonite folks I spoke with in Cauthemoc think Trump is bad for US. 

On Mar 21, 2016 9:07 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  Trump questioned Romney's faith.  Not something you do in Utah.  

  And Romney is a special case.  He came in and turned around the winter 
Olympics here and really saved the day.
  Kinda a favorite son.

  From: Kurt Fankhauser 
  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 8:47 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

  What happened on Friday?

  Sent from my iPhone 

  Kurt Fankhauser
  Wavelinc Communications
  P.O. Box 126
  Bucyrus, OH 44820
  http://www.wavelinc.com
  tel. 419-562-6405
  fax. 419-617-0110

  On Mar 20, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:


Latest polls in Utah show:
Utah, collectively, votes “anyone but Trump”.  
(Things were not looking great for him but he really shot his own dick off 
on Friday).

Polls now show, if Trump is the other candidate, he loses.  
No matter if it is Hillary, Bernie, Ted...  

Gotta love Utah!

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Jaime Solorza]

Even some Mennonite folks I spoke with in Cauthemoc think Trump is bad for
US.
On Mar 21, 2016 9:07 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Trump questioned Romney's faith.  Not something you do in Utah.
>
> And Romney is a special case.  He came in and turned around the winter
> Olympics here and really saved the day.
> Kinda a favorite son.
>
> *From:* Kurt Fankhauser 
> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 8:47 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
>
> What happened on Friday?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> Wavelinc Communications
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> http://www.wavelinc.com
> tel. 419-562-6405
> fax. 419-617-0110
>
> On Mar 20, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Latest polls in Utah show:
> Utah, collectively, votes “anyone but Trump”.
> (Things were not looking great for him but he really shot his own dick off
> on Friday).
>
> Polls now show, if Trump is the other candidate, he loses.
> No matter if it is Hillary, Bernie, Ted...
>
> Gotta love Utah!
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Chuck McCown]

Trump questioned Romney's faith.  Not something you do in Utah.  

And Romney is a special case.  He came in and turned around the winter Olympics 
here and really saved the day.
Kinda a favorite son.

From: Kurt Fankhauser 
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 8:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

What happened on Friday?

Sent from my iPhone 

Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110

On Mar 20, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:


  Latest polls in Utah show:
  Utah, collectively, votes “anyone but Trump”.  
  (Things were not looking great for him but he really shot his own dick off on 
Friday).

  Polls now show, if Trump is the other candidate, he loses.  
  No matter if it is Hillary, Bernie, Ted...  

  Gotta love Utah!

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Kurt Fankhauser]

What happened on Friday?

Sent from my iPhone

Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110

> On Mar 20, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> Latest polls in Utah show:
> Utah, collectively, votes “anyone but Trump”. 
> (Things were not looking great for him but he really shot his own dick off on 
> Friday).
>  
> Polls now show, if Trump is the other candidate, he loses. 
> No matter if it is Hillary, Bernie, Ted... 
>  
> Gotta love Utah!

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Cameron Crum]

YES! Just tried the Big Bad Baptist from Epic two weeks ago. Very good

On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 5:25 PM, Bruce Robertson  wrote:

> Now, that's just not fair.  Plenty of excellent beer.  Just get it in
> bottles and avoid it on tap.  Unless of course you're outside Utah, in
> which case they ship the real stuff in kegs.
>
> On 03/20/2016 02:26 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> Your beer still sucks.
>
> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016, 2:21 PM Chuck McCown < 
> ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Latest polls in Utah show:
>> Utah, collectively, votes “anyone but Trump”.
>> (Things were not looking great for him but he really shot his own dick
>> off on Friday).
>>
>> Polls now show, if Trump is the other candidate, he loses.
>> No matter if it is Hillary, Bernie, Ted...
>>
>> Gotta love Utah!
>>
> !DSPAM:2,56ef1577141261648955422!
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Bruce Robertson]

Now, that's just not fair.  Plenty of excellent beer.  Just get it in 
bottles and avoid it on tap.  Unless of course you're outside Utah, in 
which case they ship the real stuff in kegs.


On 03/20/2016 02:26 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:


Your beer still sucks.


On Sun, Mar 20, 2016, 2:21 PM Chuck McCown > wrote:


Latest polls in Utah show:
Utah, collectively, votes “anyone but Trump”.
(Things were not looking great for him but he really shot his own
dick off on Friday).
Polls now show, if Trump is the other candidate, he loses.
No matter if it is Hillary, Bernie, Ted...
Gotta love Utah!

!DSPAM:2,56ef1577141261648955422! 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Jeremy]

However, I do much prefer a Saccharomyces cerevisiae to a Saccharomyces
uvarum.

On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Jeremy  wrote:

> I have tried literally thousands and thousands of beers.  I am a beer
> aficionado.  The great thing about Epic is that it is like an artists
> palette for beer.  Every release is numbered and you can read the brewers
> notes online.  It is beer for beer geeks.
>
> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 3:52 PM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
>> I think maybe you need to try more beer from around the world.
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016, 2:41 PM Jeremy  wrote:
>>
>>> We have 9-12% ABV if you buy direct at the Brewery.  Some of the best
>>> beer in the world made right here in SLC. http://www.epicbrewing.com/
>>>
>>> They've even found a way to sell it cold, and on Sunday!  (with a small
>>> Panini 'closet'... restaurant license)
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Lewis Bergman 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Your beer still sucks.

 On Sun, Mar 20, 2016, 2:21 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

>>> Latest polls in Utah show:
> Utah, collectively, votes “anyone but Trump”.
> (Things were not looking great for him but he really shot his own dick
> off on Friday).
>
> Polls now show, if Trump is the other candidate, he loses.
> No matter if it is Hillary, Bernie, Ted...
>
> Gotta love Utah!
>

>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Jeremy]

I have tried literally thousands and thousands of beers.  I am a beer
aficionado.  The great thing about Epic is that it is like an artists
palette for beer.  Every release is numbered and you can read the brewers
notes online.  It is beer for beer geeks.

On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 3:52 PM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> I think maybe you need to try more beer from around the world.
>
> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016, 2:41 PM Jeremy  wrote:
>
>> We have 9-12% ABV if you buy direct at the Brewery.  Some of the best
>> beer in the world made right here in SLC. http://www.epicbrewing.com/
>>
>> They've even found a way to sell it cold, and on Sunday!  (with a small
>> Panini 'closet'... restaurant license)
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Lewis Bergman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Your beer still sucks.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016, 2:21 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
>> Latest polls in Utah show:
 Utah, collectively, votes “anyone but Trump”.
 (Things were not looking great for him but he really shot his own dick
 off on Friday).

 Polls now show, if Trump is the other candidate, he loses.
 No matter if it is Hillary, Bernie, Ted...

 Gotta love Utah!

>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Lewis Bergman]

I think maybe you need to try more beer from around the world.

On Sun, Mar 20, 2016, 2:41 PM Jeremy  wrote:

> We have 9-12% ABV if you buy direct at the Brewery.  Some of the best beer
> in the world made right here in SLC. http://www.epicbrewing.com/
>
> They've even found a way to sell it cold, and on Sunday!  (with a small
> Panini 'closet'... restaurant license)
>
> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
>> Your beer still sucks.
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016, 2:21 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
> Latest polls in Utah show:
>>> Utah, collectively, votes “anyone but Trump”.
>>> (Things were not looking great for him but he really shot his own dick
>>> off on Friday).
>>>
>>> Polls now show, if Trump is the other candidate, he loses.
>>> No matter if it is Hillary, Bernie, Ted...
>>>
>>> Gotta love Utah!
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Jeremy]

We have 9-12% ABV if you buy direct at the Brewery.  Some of the best beer
in the world made right here in SLC. http://www.epicbrewing.com/

They've even found a way to sell it cold, and on Sunday!  (with a small
Panini 'closet'... restaurant license)

On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> Your beer still sucks.
>
> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016, 2:21 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Latest polls in Utah show:
>> Utah, collectively, votes “anyone but Trump”.
>> (Things were not looking great for him but he really shot his own dick
>> off on Friday).
>>
>> Polls now show, if Trump is the other candidate, he loses.
>> No matter if it is Hillary, Bernie, Ted...
>>
>> Gotta love Utah!
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Chuck McCown]

Yeah, not sure but I think at 3.2% ABV the Mormon dominated legislature and 
Department Alcohol Beverage Control are guessing that you probably gotta try 
pretty hard to get hammered on it.  

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 3:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

Your beer still sucks.



On Sun, Mar 20, 2016, 2:21 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Latest polls in Utah show:
  Utah, collectively, votes “anyone but Trump”.  
  (Things were not looking great for him but he really shot his own dick off on 
Friday).

  Polls now show, if Trump is the other candidate, he loses.  
  No matter if it is Hillary, Bernie, Ted...  

  Gotta love Utah!

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Jason McKemie]

I'm liking those politics.

On Sunday, March 20, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Latest polls in Utah show:
> Utah, collectively, votes “anyone but Trump”.
> (Things were not looking great for him but he really shot his own dick off
> on Friday).
>
> Polls now show, if Trump is the other candidate, he loses.
> No matter if it is Hillary, Bernie, Ted...
>
> Gotta love Utah!
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Lewis Bergman]

Your beer still sucks.

On Sun, Mar 20, 2016, 2:21 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Latest polls in Utah show:
> Utah, collectively, votes “anyone but Trump”.
> (Things were not looking great for him but he really shot his own dick off
> on Friday).
>
> Polls now show, if Trump is the other candidate, he loses.
> No matter if it is Hillary, Bernie, Ted...
>
> Gotta love Utah!
>

[AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

[Chuck McCown]

Latest polls in Utah show:
Utah, collectively, votes “anyone but Trump”.  
(Things were not looking great for him but he really shot his own dick off on 
Friday).

Polls now show, if Trump is the other candidate, he loses.  
No matter if it is Hillary, Bernie, Ted...  

Gotta love Utah!