Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft Updates Thrashing Connections

[Mike Hammett]

Just as long as it finished before the next one started. ;-) 

I think that's some of what I'm getting from the people I talk to is a desire 
to understand where the current process is failing. Not so much in adding 
additional functionality, but in fixing what's already there. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com> 
To: "af" <af@afmug.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 9:47:25 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft Updates Thrashing Connections 


Yep... seems to me Microsoft could easily make the problem go away... I can't 
see why it would make a bit of difference if the majority of the updates took a 
few weeks to download. Seems to me like it would be better for pretty much 
everyone involved. 



On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 8:10 AM, Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: 




Limelight. 
I have a 10MB pcap file. 


It's not hard to crush a 3mb connection though, so I'm not sure how important 
this case is going to be. I wish msoft's updater would look at average 
throughput over the first 5 minutes of an update, then limit itself to half of 
that. If they did that, I would never even know the updates were running. Or 
just limit non-critical updates to 128kbps. It might take 10 weeks to finish, 
but would I really care? Or for Pete's sake just let me configure a limit of my 
choosing. 


Anyway, I do appreciate you taking the effort to look for answers at the CDN 
level. Just seems to me that Microsoft could easily make the problem not exist. 




-- Original Message -- 
From: "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 


Sent: 7/12/2017 8:59:28 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft Updates Thrashing Connections 





Oh, that's unlikely to be of significant help, but I can check. What is the CDN 
it's connected to? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Adam Moffett" < dmmoff...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 7:55:04 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft Updates Thrashing Connections 


Windows update is using my entire 3mbps connection right at this moment. 
I have a pcap, but it's from my side and in this case i don't have access to 
the provider side. 






-- Original Message -- 
From: "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 7/11/2017 8:25:28 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Microsoft Updates Thrashing Connections 





It's Patch Tuesday, so I figured I'd pop in to remind people that have issues 
with Microsoft Updates to get packet captures of the problems at least one 
level upstream of whatever device is doing the rate limiting. When you have 
them, let me know so we can coordinate with whichever CDN and Microsoft to look 
into why it is happening. 

We're specifically looking for times when there are dozens of TCP connections 
open for the transfer or when the CDN is ignoring TCP norms and sending more 
bits than the customer is limited to. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft Updates Thrashing Connections

[Mathew Howard]

Yep... seems to me Microsoft could easily make the problem go away... I
can't see why it would make a bit of difference if the majority of the
updates took a few weeks to download. Seems to me like it would be better
for pretty much everyone involved.

On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 8:10 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Limelight.
> I have a 10MB pcap file.
>
> It's not hard to crush a 3mb connection though, so I'm not sure how
> important this case is going to be.  I wish msoft's updater would look at
> average throughput over the first 5 minutes of an update, then limit itself
> to half of that.  If they did that, I would never even know the updates
> were running.  Or just limit non-critical updates to 128kbps.  It might
> take 10 weeks to finish, but would I really care?  Or for Pete's sake just
> let me configure a limit of my choosing.
>
> Anyway, I do appreciate you taking the effort to look for answers at the
> CDN level.  Just seems to me that Microsoft could easily make the problem
> not exist.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 7/12/2017 8:59:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft Updates Thrashing Connections
>
> Oh, that's unlikely to be of significant help, but I can check. What is
> the CDN it's connected to?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
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>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, July 12, 2017 7:55:04 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft Updates Thrashing Connections
>
> Windows update is using my entire 3mbps connection right at this moment.
> I have a pcap, but it's from my side and in this case i don't have access
> to the provider side.
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 7/11/2017 8:25:28 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Microsoft Updates Thrashing Connections
>
> It's Patch Tuesday, so I figured I'd pop in to remind people that have
> issues with Microsoft Updates to get packet captures of the problems at
> least one level upstream of whatever device is doing the rate limiting.
> When you have them, let me know so we can coordinate with whichever CDN and
> Microsoft to look into why it is happening.
>
> We're specifically looking for times when there are dozens of TCP
> connections open for the transfer or when the CDN is ignoring TCP norms and
> sending more bits than the customer is limited to.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
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>
>
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>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft Updates Thrashing Connections

[Adam Moffett]

Limelight.
I have a 10MB pcap file.

It's not hard to crush a 3mb connection though, so I'm not sure how 
important this case is going to be.  I wish msoft's updater would look 
at average throughput over the first 5 minutes of an update, then limit 
itself to half of that.  If they did that, I would never even know the 
updates were running.  Or just limit non-critical updates to 128kbps.  
It might take 10 weeks to finish, but would I really care?  Or for 
Pete's sake just let me configure a limit of my choosing.


Anyway, I do appreciate you taking the effort to look for answers at the 
CDN level.  Just seems to me that Microsoft could easily make the 
problem not exist.



-- Original Message --
From: "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 7/12/2017 8:59:28 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft Updates Thrashing Connections

Oh, that's unlikely to be of significant help, but I can check. What is 
the CDN it's connected to?




-
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From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 7:55:04 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft Updates Thrashing Connections

Windows update is using my entire 3mbps connection right at this 
moment.
I have a pcap, but it's from my side and in this case i don't have 
access to the provider side.




-- Original Message --
From: "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 7/11/2017 8:25:28 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Microsoft Updates Thrashing Connections

It's Patch Tuesday, so I figured I'd pop in to remind people that have 
issues with Microsoft Updates to get packet captures of the problems 
at least one level upstream of whatever device is doing the rate 
limiting. When you have them, let me know so we can coordinate with 
whichever CDN and Microsoft to look into why it is happening.


We're specifically looking for times when there are dozens of TCP 
connections open for the transfer or when the CDN is ignoring TCP 
norms and sending more bits than the customer is limited to.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> 
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> 
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> 
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL>

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<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>


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Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft Updates Thrashing Connections

[Mike Hammett]

Oh, that's unlikely to be of significant help, but I can check. What is the CDN 
it's connected to? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 7:55:04 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft Updates Thrashing Connections 


Windows update is using my entire 3mbps connection right at this moment. 
I have a pcap, but it's from my side and in this case i don't have access to 
the provider side. 






-- Original Message -- 
From: "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 7/11/2017 8:25:28 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Microsoft Updates Thrashing Connections 





It's Patch Tuesday, so I figured I'd pop in to remind people that have issues 
with Microsoft Updates to get packet captures of the problems at least one 
level upstream of whatever device is doing the rate limiting. When you have 
them, let me know so we can coordinate with whichever CDN and Microsoft to look 
into why it is happening. 

We're specifically looking for times when there are dozens of TCP connections 
open for the transfer or when the CDN is ignoring TCP norms and sending more 
bits than the customer is limited to. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft Updates Thrashing Connections

[Adam Moffett]

Windows update is using my entire 3mbps connection right at this moment.
I have a pcap, but it's from my side and in this case i don't have 
access to the provider side.




-- Original Message --
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 7/11/2017 8:25:28 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Microsoft Updates Thrashing Connections

It's Patch Tuesday, so I figured I'd pop in to remind people that have 
issues with Microsoft Updates to get packet captures of the problems at 
least one level upstream of whatever device is doing the rate limiting. 
When you have them, let me know so we can coordinate with whichever CDN 
and Microsoft to look into why it is happening.


We're specifically looking for times when there are dozens of TCP 
connections open for the transfer or when the CDN is ignoring TCP norms 
and sending more bits than the customer is limited to.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 


Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 


The Brothers WISP 

Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft wants all of rural America to get high-speed broadband

[Robert Andrews]

Sounds like Intel's days of investing in the wisp space...

On 07/11/2017 12:47 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

That is a link to a google search. It points to a link to the actual
article. The actual article is here:

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/07/microsoft-will-help-isps-bring-wireless-internet-to-12-us-states/


bp


On 7/11/2017 12:40 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Geez

https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Farstechnica.com%2Finformation-technology%2F2017%2F07%2Fmicrosoft-will-help-isps-bring-wireless-internet-to-12-us-states%2F#pt0-404507

Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft wants all of rural America to get high-speed broadband

[Jaime Solorza]

Sorry guys...this small box on my belt has voices...confuses me.  Thanks
for the save

Jaime Solorza

On Jul 11, 2017 1:47 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

> That is a link to a google search. It points to a link to the actual
> article. The actual article is here:
>
> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/07/
> microsoft-will-help-isps-bring-wireless-internet-to-12-us-states/
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 7/11/2017 12:40 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
>> Geez
>>
>> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Farstech
>> nica.com%2Finformation-technology%2F2017%2F07%2Fmicrosoft-will-help-isps-
>> bring-wireless-internet-to-12-us-states%2F#pt0-404507
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft wants all of rural America to get high-speed broadband

[Bill Prince]

That is a link to a google search. It points to a link to the actual 
article. The actual article is here:


https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/07/microsoft-will-help-isps-bring-wireless-internet-to-12-us-states/

bp


On 7/11/2017 12:40 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Geez

https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Farstechnica.com%2Finformation-technology%2F2017%2F07%2Fmicrosoft-will-help-isps-bring-wireless-internet-to-12-us-states%2F#pt0-404507 


Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft wants all of rural America to get high-speed broadband

[Mike Hammett]

I posted a link directly to the MS blog post for it on the TBW FB page this 
morning. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 2:41:53 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft wants all of rural America to get high-speed 
broadband 


article wont load, but i bet that doesnt come with any strings 


On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 2:40 PM, Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 




Geez 

https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Farstechnica.com%2Finformation-technology%2F2017%2F07%2Fmicrosoft-will-help-isps-bring-wireless-internet-to-12-us-states%2F#pt0-404507
 
Jaime Solorza 

Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft wants all of rural America to get high-speed broadband

[Steve Jones]

article wont load, but i bet that doesnt come with any strings

On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 2:40 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Geez
>
> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Farstechnica.com%
> 2Finformation-technology%2F2017%2F07%2Fmicrosoft-will-
> help-isps-bring-wireless-internet-to-12-us-states%2F#pt0-404507
> Jaime Solorza
>

Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft Store DNS

[Mike Hammett]

So far, it looks like storeedgefd.dsx.mp.microsoft.com is a good one to work 
with. I know that it stops the store from loading, but I'm not yet sure if it 
stops the store from updating. Hopefully it doesn't update via other methods.

-Mike HammettIntelligent Computing SolutionsMidwest Internet ExchangeThe 
Brothers WISP




- Original Message -
From: Mike Hammett 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 10:00:03 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [AFMUG] Microsoft Store DNS

Do any of you know what DNS the Microsoft store users? I need to block access 
to the Microsoft store to prevent application updates. Blocking access to it 
through layer 7 inspection of DNS would seem to be the most effective.

-Mike HammettIntelligent Computing SolutionsMidwest Internet ExchangeThe 
Brothers WISP

Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft Store DNS

[Mike Hammett]

Sorry, Windows Store is the official name. It made its debut in Windows 8 as a 
place to get apps. 

No, I don't mean Microsoft Updates. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 10:26:49 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft Store DNS 

Define "Microsoft Store". Do they have an app store like Google Play and 
iTunes? I think of Microsoft Store as an online and bricks-and-mortar store 
that sells stuff like computers, I'm sure they sell software like Office 365 as 
well. I am typing on a Dell laptop I bought at the Microsoft Store in Oakbrook 
Mall, pretty much a clone of an Apple Store. 

If you mean where do Windows Updates come from, sometimes 
download.windowsupdate.com, sometimes not. 


-Original Message- 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 10:06 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft Store DNS 

I worded that poorly. I should have asked what FQDN it uses. 

-Mike HammettIntelligent Computing SolutionsMidwest Internet ExchangeThe 
Brothers WISP 




- Original Message - 
From: That One Guy /sarcasm <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 10:03:58 -0500 (CDT) 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft Store DNS 

It wont revert back to the local DNS? 

On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: 

> Do any of you know what DNS the Microsoft store users? I need to block 
> access to the Microsoft store to prevent application updates. Blocking 
> access to it through layer 7 inspection of DNS would seem to be the 
> most effective. 
> 
> -Mike HammettIntelligent Computing SolutionsMidwest Internet 
> ExchangeThe Brothers WISP 
> 
> 
> 


-- 
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part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 

Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft Store DNS

[Mike Hammett]

You can't sysprep a machine that has had Windows Store application updates. The 
rest of the computer is fine to be on the Internet and updated. 

I know how the content is distributed, just not the FQDN they check for the 
store. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 10:26:26 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft Store DNS 

Gotta ask… why would you want to block application updates? 

Also, I don’t know specifically with “Microsoft Store” itself but Microsoft 
product updates are typically done via CDN’s depending your geographic location 
.. some via their own network but a lot of it done via Akamai for example 


> On Oct 27, 2016, at 11:00 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: 
> 
> Do any of you know what DNS the Microsoft store users? I need to block access 
> to the Microsoft store to prevent application updates. Blocking access to it 
> through layer 7 inspection of DNS would seem to be the most effective. 
> 
> -Mike HammettIntelligent Computing SolutionsMidwest Internet ExchangeThe 
> Brothers WISP 
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft Store DNS

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Can you control it through WSUS? We are just now having domain clients
moving to w10, If I had my druthers we would remove the toy store from the
OS completely but I believe its intertwined with windows update now. As I
understand it if office 2016 isnt updated (via the store if youre using the
app) it will no longer make use of the onedrive benefits. In our case that
would kill us regarding the use of OneNote

On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Steve <li...@wavedirect.org> wrote:

> Because they are evil.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org>
> To: "af" <af@afmug.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 11:26:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft Store DNS
>
> Gotta ask… why would you want to block application updates?
>
> Also, I don’t know specifically with “Microsoft Store” itself but
> Microsoft product updates are typically done via CDN’s depending your
> geographic location .. some via their own network but a lot of it done via
> Akamai for example
>
>
> > On Oct 27, 2016, at 11:00 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
> >
> > Do any of you know what DNS the Microsoft store users? I need to block
> access to the Microsoft store to prevent application updates. Blocking
> access to it through layer 7 inspection of DNS would seem to be the most
> effective.
> >
> > -Mike HammettIntelligent Computing SolutionsMidwest Internet
> ExchangeThe Brothers WISP
> >
> >
>



-- 
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part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft Store DNS

[Steve]

Because they are evil.  

- Original Message -
From: "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org>
To: "af" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 11:26:26 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft Store DNS

Gotta ask… why would you want to block application updates?

Also, I don’t know specifically with “Microsoft Store” itself but Microsoft 
product updates are typically done via CDN’s depending your geographic location 
.. some via their own network but a lot of it done via Akamai for example


> On Oct 27, 2016, at 11:00 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
> 
> Do any of you know what DNS the Microsoft store users? I need to block access 
> to the Microsoft store to prevent application updates. Blocking access to it 
> through layer 7 inspection of DNS would seem to be the most effective.
> 
> -Mike HammettIntelligent Computing SolutionsMidwest Internet ExchangeThe 
> Brothers WISP
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft Store DNS

[Paul Stewart]

Gotta ask… why would you want to block application updates?

Also, I don’t know specifically with “Microsoft Store” itself but Microsoft 
product updates are typically done via CDN’s depending your geographic location 
.. some via their own network but a lot of it done via Akamai for example


> On Oct 27, 2016, at 11:00 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> Do any of you know what DNS the Microsoft store users? I need to block access 
> to the Microsoft store to prevent application updates. Blocking access to it 
> through layer 7 inspection of DNS would seem to be the most effective.
> 
> -Mike HammettIntelligent Computing SolutionsMidwest Internet ExchangeThe 
> Brothers WISP
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft Store DNS

[Ken Hohhof]

Define "Microsoft Store".  Do they have an app store like Google Play and 
iTunes?  I think of Microsoft Store as an online and bricks-and-mortar store 
that sells stuff like computers, I'm sure they sell software like Office 365 as 
well.  I am typing on a Dell laptop I bought at the Microsoft Store in Oakbrook 
Mall, pretty much a clone of an Apple Store.

If you mean where do Windows Updates come from, sometimes 
download.windowsupdate.com, sometimes not.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 10:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft Store DNS

I worded that poorly. I should have asked what FQDN it uses.

-Mike HammettIntelligent Computing SolutionsMidwest Internet ExchangeThe 
Brothers WISP




- Original Message -
From: That One Guy /sarcasm <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 10:03:58 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft Store DNS

It wont revert back to the local DNS?

On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> Do any of you know what DNS the Microsoft store users? I need to block 
> access to the Microsoft store to prevent application updates. Blocking 
> access to it through layer 7 inspection of DNS would seem to be the 
> most effective.
>
> -Mike HammettIntelligent Computing SolutionsMidwest Internet 
> ExchangeThe Brothers WISP
>
>
>


--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft Store DNS

[Steve]

Good luck with anything past Windows 7.  They've hard coded some of it into the 
kernel now. People have replaced entire host files with entire Microsoft 
domains and alt domains and it still manages to phone home, pull data etc.   

There is a way of clearing your system of telemetry though using the Tron 
script... check it out

https://www.reddit.com/r/TronScript/comments/55indl/tron_v960_20161002_aq_add_debug_log_upload_udl/

Read through that sub reddit and you'll find like minded people with other 
alternatives and recommendations as to how to proceed.  



- Original Message -
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: "af" 
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 11:00:04 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Microsoft Store DNS

Do any of you know what DNS the Microsoft store users? I need to block access 
to the Microsoft store to prevent application updates. Blocking access to it 
through layer 7 inspection of DNS would seem to be the most effective.

-Mike HammettIntelligent Computing SolutionsMidwest Internet ExchangeThe 
Brothers WISP

Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft Store DNS

[Josh Luthman]

Just allow that one host for that.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Oct 27, 2016 11:23 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> I would bet by design if you achieve what you are looking for youll have
> that no internet icon in the corner all the time
>
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Steve  wrote:
>
>> Also check out this  https://www.iblocklist.com/lists.php
>>
>> Microsoft's known ranges here  https://www.iblocklist.com/lis
>> t?list=xshktygkujudfnjfioro
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Mike Hammett" 
>> To: "af" 
>> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 11:00:04 AM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Microsoft Store DNS
>>
>> Do any of you know what DNS the Microsoft store users? I need to block
>> access to the Microsoft store to prevent application updates. Blocking
>> access to it through layer 7 inspection of DNS would seem to be the most
>> effective.
>>
>> -Mike HammettIntelligent Computing SolutionsMidwest Internet
>> ExchangeThe Brothers WISP
>>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft Store DNS

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I would bet by design if you achieve what you are looking for youll have
that no internet icon in the corner all the time

On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Steve  wrote:

> Also check out this  https://www.iblocklist.com/lists.php
>
> Microsoft's known ranges here  https://www.iblocklist.com/
> list?list=xshktygkujudfnjfioro
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mike Hammett" 
> To: "af" 
> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 11:00:04 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Microsoft Store DNS
>
> Do any of you know what DNS the Microsoft store users? I need to block
> access to the Microsoft store to prevent application updates. Blocking
> access to it through layer 7 inspection of DNS would seem to be the most
> effective.
>
> -Mike HammettIntelligent Computing SolutionsMidwest Internet
> ExchangeThe Brothers WISP
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft Store DNS

[Steve]

Also check out this  https://www.iblocklist.com/lists.php

Microsoft's known ranges here  
https://www.iblocklist.com/list?list=xshktygkujudfnjfioro



- Original Message -
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: "af" 
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 11:00:04 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Microsoft Store DNS

Do any of you know what DNS the Microsoft store users? I need to block access 
to the Microsoft store to prevent application updates. Blocking access to it 
through layer 7 inspection of DNS would seem to be the most effective.

-Mike HammettIntelligent Computing SolutionsMidwest Internet ExchangeThe 
Brothers WISP

Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft Store DNS

[Mike Hammett]

I worded that poorly. I should have asked what FQDN it uses.

-Mike HammettIntelligent Computing SolutionsMidwest Internet ExchangeThe 
Brothers WISP




- Original Message -
From: That One Guy /sarcasm <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 10:03:58 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft Store DNS

It wont revert back to the local DNS?

On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> Do any of you know what DNS the Microsoft store users? I need to block
> access to the Microsoft store to prevent application updates. Blocking
> access to it through layer 7 inspection of DNS would seem to be the most
> effective.
>
> -Mike HammettIntelligent Computing SolutionsMidwest Internet
> ExchangeThe Brothers WISP
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft Store DNS

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

It wont revert back to the local DNS?

On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Do any of you know what DNS the Microsoft store users? I need to block
> access to the Microsoft store to prevent application updates. Blocking
> access to it through layer 7 inspection of DNS would seem to be the most
> effective.
>
> -Mike HammettIntelligent Computing SolutionsMidwest Internet
> ExchangeThe Brothers WISP
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft

[Paul McCall]

Way cool Travis !  

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 5:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Microsoft

WhoHoo!!

One of the companies I have been working with for the last 9 months, and 
invested capital about three months ago, was just accepted into the Microsoft 
Ventures Accelerator program!!

Microsoft receives thousands of applications every year, but they only select a 
few companies every four months. They give you $25,000 and help you take your 
business to the next level... all without taking any equity or stake in the 
company.

This is an amazing accomplishment for a woman (the CEO) who has had amazing 
struggles and accomplishments in her life so far. You can see more info about 
the company on the website at www.lionheartinnovations.com.

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft

[Mike Hammett]

Congrats! 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 4:51:22 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Microsoft 

WhoHoo!! 

One of the companies I have been working with for the last 9 months, and 
invested capital about three months ago, was just accepted into the 
Microsoft Ventures Accelerator program!! 

Microsoft receives thousands of applications every year, but they only 
select a few companies every four months. They give you $25,000 and help 
you take your business to the next level... all without taking any 
equity or stake in the company. 

This is an amazing accomplishment for a woman (the CEO) who has had 
amazing struggles and accomplishments in her life so far. You can see 
more info about the company on the website at www.lionheartinnovations.com. 

Travis 

Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft

[Chuck Hogg]

Awesome Congrats!

Regards,
Chuck

On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 5:53 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 Congrats!



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *Travis Johnson t...@ida.net
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Thursday, February 19, 2015 4:51:22 PM
 *Subject: *[AFMUG] Microsoft


 WhoHoo!!

 One of the companies I have been working with for the last 9 months, and
 invested capital about three months ago, was just accepted into the
 Microsoft Ventures Accelerator program!!

 Microsoft receives thousands of applications every year, but they only
 select a few companies every four months. They give you $25,000 and help
 you take your business to the next level... all without taking any
 equity or stake in the company.

 This is an amazing accomplishment for a woman (the CEO) who has had
 amazing struggles and accomplishments in her life so far. You can see
 more info about the company on the website at www.lionheartinnovations.com
 .

 Travis