RE: [agi] META: A possible re-focusing of this list
Not a single one of our current investors (dozen) or potential investors have used AGI lists to evaluate our project (or the competition) Peter Voss a2i2 From: Terren Suydam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 1:25 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] META: A possible re-focusing of this list This is a publicly accessible forum with searchable archives... you don't necessarily have to be subscribed and inundated to find those nuggets. I don't know any funding decision makers myself, but if I were in control of a budget I'd be using every resource at my disposal to clarify my decision. If I were considering Novamente for example I'd be looking for exactly the kind of exchanges you and Richard Loosemore (for example) have had on the list, to gain a better understanding of possible criticism, and because others may be able to articulate such criticism far better than me. Obviously the same goes for anyone else on the list who would look for funding... I'd want to see you defend your ideas, especially in the absence of peer-reviewed journals (something the JAGI hopes to remedy obv). Terren --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [agi] META: A possible re-focusing of this list To: agi@v2.listbox.com Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 3:37 PM Terren, I know a good number of VC's and government and private funding decision makers... and believe me, **none** of them has remotely enough extra time to wade through the amount of text that flows on this list, to find the nuggets of real intellectual interest!!! -- Ben G On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 12:07 PM, Terren Suydam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One other important point... if I were a potential venture capitalist or some other sort of funding decision-maker, I would be on this list and watching the debate. I'd be looking for intelligent defense of (hopefully) intelligent criticism to increase my confidence about the decision to fund. This kind of forum also allows you to sort of advertise your approach to those who are new to the game, particularly young folks who might one day be valuable contributors, although I suppose that's possible in the more tightly-focused forum as well. --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Terren Suydam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Terren Suydam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [agi] META: A possible re-focusing of this list To: agi@v2.listbox.com Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 11:29 AM Hi Ben, I think that the current focus has its pros and cons and the more narrowed focus you suggest would have *its* pros and cons. As you said, the con of the current focus is the boring repetition of various anti positions. But the pro of allowing that stuff is for those of us who use the conflict among competing viewpoints to clarify our own positions and gain insight. Since you seem to be fairly clear about your own viewpoint, it is for you a situation of diminishing returns (although I will point out that a recent blog post of yours on the subject of play was inspired, I think, by a point Mike Tintner made, who is probably the most obvious target of your frustration). For myself, I have found tremendous value here in the debate (which probably says a lot about the crudeness of my philosophy). I have had many new insights and discovered some false assumptions. If you narrowed the focus, I would probably leave (I am not offering that as a reason not to do it! :-) I would be disappointed, but I would understand if that's the decision you made. Finally, although there hasn't been much novelty among the debate (from your perspective, anyway), there is always the possibility that there will be. This seems to be the only public forum for AGI discussion out there (are there others, anyone?), so presumably there's a good chance it would show up here, and that is good for you and others actively involved in AGI research. Best, Terren --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [agi] META: A possible re-focusing of this list To: agi@v2.listbox.com Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 11:01 AM Hi all, I have been thinking a bit about the nature of conversations on this list. It seems to me there are two types of conversations here: 1) Discussions of how to design or engineer AGI systems, using current computers, according to designs that can feasibly be implemented by moderately-sized groups of people 2) Discussions about whether the above is even possible -- or whether it is impossible because of weird physics, or poorly-defined special characteristics of human creativity, or the so-called complex systems problem, or because AGI intrinsically requires billions of people and quadrillions of dollars, or whatever Personally I am pretty bored with all the conversations of type 2. It's not that I consider them useless discussions in a grand sense ... certainly
RE: **JUNK** Re: [agi] META: A possible re-focusing of this list
no From: Joseph Henry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 1:56 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: **JUNK** Re: [agi] META: A possible re-focusing of this list Peter, do you think they would be less overwhelmed if they were given the option of looking at the same content through the use of a forum? I think it would be far easier to wade through... - Joseph _ agi | https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now Archives https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ | https://www.listbox.com/member/?; Modify Your Subscription http://www.listbox.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1722 - Release Date: 10/13/2008 7:50 AM --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=117534816-b15a34 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
RE: [agi] Question, career related
Perhaps: http://adaptiveai.com/company/opportunities.htm From: Valentina Poletti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 10:23 AM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: [agi] Question, career related Dear AGIers, I am looking for a research opportunity in AGI or related neurophysiology. I won prizes in maths, physics, computer science and general science when I was younger and have a keen interest in those fields. I'm a pretty good programmer, and have taught myself neurophysiology and some cognitive science. I have an inclination towards math and logic. I was wondering if anyone knows of any open such positions, or could give me advice, references to whom I may speak. Thanks. _ agi | https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now Archives https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ | https://www.listbox.com/member/?; Modify Your Subscription http://www.listbox.com --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=111637683-c8fa51 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
RE: [agi] More Info Please
Thanks, Ben. The technical details of our design and business plan details are indeed confidential. All I can really say publicly is that we are confident that we have pretty direct path to high-level AGI from where we are, and that we have an extremely viable business plan to make this happen. Initial commercialization next year will utilize the current 'low-grade' version of our AGI engine that will be able to perform certain tasks that are quite dumb (in human terms) but still commercially valuable. Our AGI 'brain' can potentially be utilized in many different kinds of systems/ applications. More details will probably become available late this year. Peter PS. I also have *some* doubts about the ultimate capabilities of our AGI engine, but probably no greater than yours about NM :) -Original Message- From: Ben Goertzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 2:56 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] More Info Please Peter has some technical info on his overall (adaptive neural net) based approach to AI, on his company website, which is based on a paper he wrote in the AGI volume Cassio and I edited for Springer (written 2002, published 2006). However, he has kept his specific commercial product direction tightly under wraps. I believe Peter's ideas are interesting but I have my doubts that his approach is really AGI-capable. However, I don't feel comfortable going into great deal on my reasons, because Peter seems to value secrecy regarding his approach... I've had a mild amount of insider info regarding the approach (e.g. due to visiting his site a few years ago, etc.) and don't want to blab stuff on this list that he'd want me to keep secret... Ben On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Mike Tintner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... on this: http://www.adaptiveai.com/news/index.htm Towards Commercialization It's been a while. We've been busy. A good kind of busy. At the end of March we completed an important milestone: a demo system consolidating our prior 10 months' work. This was followed by my annual pilgrimage to our investors in Australia. The upshot of all this is that we now have some additional seed funding to launch our commercialization phase late this year. On the technical side we still have a lot of hard work ahead of us. Fortunately we have a very strong and highly motivated team, so that over the next 6 months we expect to make as much additional progress as we have over the past 12. Our next technical milestone is around early October by which time we'll want our 'proto AGI' to be pretty much ready to start earning a living. By the end of 2008 we should be ready to actively pursue commercialization in addition to our ongoing RD efforts. At that time we'll be looking for a high-powered CEO to head up our business division which we expect to grow to many hundreds of employees over a few years. Early in 2009 we plan to raise capital for this commercial venture, and if things go according to plan we'll have a team of around 50 by the middle of the year. Well, exciting future plans, but now back to work. Peter --- agi Archives: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: http://www.listbox.com/member/?; Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com -- Ben Goertzel, PhD CEO, Novamente LLC and Biomind LLC Director of Research, SIAI [EMAIL PROTECTED] If men cease to believe that they will one day become gods then they will surely become worms. -- Henry Miller --- agi Archives: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: http://www.listbox.com/member/?; Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com --- agi Archives: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: http://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=103754539-40ed26 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
[agi] a2i2 is looking for Entry-Level AI Psychologist
Adaptive A.I. Inc is looking for Entry-Level AI Psychologist As all of our current staff members (now up to 17) are now quite experienced and highly productive, we are again looking to fill a (Los Angeles based) full-time, entry-level position. We want someone smart, and highly motivated to work on AGI. Attitude and work habits are more important than deep technical skills. For more details see: http://adaptiveai.com/company/opportunities.htmAt this stage the work will entail quite a bit of system training and testing, as well as sys admin. Because we are expecting rapid expansion of our project and team over the few years (we expect to more than triple our staff over the next year), this position provides excellent advancement opportunities. Our project has definite near-term commercial objectives, and we offer competitive compensation in addition to the option of equity participation in our company. Please pass this on to anyone who might fit the bill. Thanks. Peter --- agi Archives: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: http://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=95818715-a78a9b Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
[agi] a2i2 looking for another AI Psychologist
We are looking for another AI Psychologist to join our team: http://adaptiveai.com/company/team_oct07.JPG Details: http://adaptiveai.com/company/opportunities.htm . Los Angeles based . Full-time . Entry-level to experienced: 35 to 70k package incl. some stock options - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=59954018-83da2f
RE: [agi] a2i2 news update
Just a quick note: While Rand's writings helped me a lot to clarify/solve a number of crucial philosophical/moral questions, I certainly don't subscribe to either all of her fictional characters' actions, or that of many of her 'true blue' followers. In fact, I don't think that Rand herself was a good Objectivist! Still, I owe her a lot for numerous crucial insights. What Rand meant by 'selfishness' is really rational, principled, long-term self-interest. In my book this definitely includes having good EQ, and caring about the welfare of others. Altruism means selflessness. The logical, though unconventional, conclusion is that it refers to actions taken irrespective of the effects they have on you. In fact, actions that are detrimental to you they are seen as more desirable. I do think that this is very harmful. (The seeming paradox of 'psychological altruism', that even altruists are selfish, has been well explored - e.g. see Nathaniel Branden.) More in my essay: http://www.optimal.org/peter/rational_ethics.htm I'll try to address these issues a bit in my upcoming talk: http://www.singinst.org/summit2007/ That's about all I have time for now.. Back to building brains. _ From: Robert Wensman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 4:12 AM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] a2i2 news update What worries me is that the founder of this company subscribes to the philosophy of Objectivism, and the implications this might have for the company's possibility at achieving friendly AI. I do not know about the rest of their team, but some of them use the word rational a lot, which could be a hint. I am well aware of that Ayn Rand, the founder of Objectivism, uses slightly non-standard meaning when using words like selfishness and altruism, but her main point is that altruism is the source of all evil in the world, and selfishness ought to be the main virtue of all mankind. Instead of altruism she often also uses the word selflessness which better explains her seemingly odd position. What she essentially means is that all evil of the world stems from people who give up their values, and their self and thereby become mindless evildoers that respect others as little as they respect themselves. While this psychological statement in isolation could be worth noting, and might help understand some collective madness, especially from the last century, I still feel her philosophy is dangerous because she mixes up her very specific concept of selflessness with the commonly understood concept of altruism, in the sense of valuing the well being and happiness of others. Is this mix-up accidental or intended? In her novel The Fountainhead you even get the impression that she doesn't think it is possible to combine altruism with creativity and originality, as all altruistic characters of her book are incompetent copycats who just imitate others. Her view of the world also seems to completely ignore another category of potential evil-doers: Selfish people who just do not see any problem with using whatever means they see fit, including violence, to achieve their goals. People who just do not see there is any problem in killing or torturing others. Why does she ignore this group of people, because she does not think they exist? My personal opinion is that Objectivism is a case of what could be called the werewolf fallacy. For example, I could make a case for the following philosophy: Werewolves as described in literature would be bad for humanity, and if we encounter werewolves, we should try to fight them with whatever means we see fit!. This statement is in itself completely true and coherent, and I would be possible to write books on the subject that could seem to make sense. The only problem is of course that there are no werewolves, and there are other much more important things to do than to go around preparing to fight werewolves! Similarly I do not think that all these selfless people who Ayn Rand describe exist in any large numbers, or at least they are certainly not the main source of evil in the world. How Objectivism could feel like home I cannot understand personally. If a person is less capable of understanding other people, I guess it could make some sense. I guess social life could be hard for such a person; they would often hurt other people by mistake, make others annoyed or angry and frequently bring enemies upon themselves. Ayn Rands gives to them a very comfortable answer namely that it is ok, even virtuous, to not understand others as long as you are not physically aggressive. An agenda for peaceful psychopathy if you like. So far so good, I don't expect everyone to be empathetic, and to motivate the need for respect rationally by the benefits of cooperation seems like a reasonable trade of. But Ayn Rand goes a step too far when she outright attacks altruism and people who value the well being of others! She
[agi] a2i2 news update
Update from a2i2 -- http://adaptiveai.com/news Peter Voss Towards Increased Intelligence! - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?member_id=231415id_secret=25189354-15f318
RE: [agi] about AGI designers
'fraid not. Have to look after our investors' interests. (and, like Ben, I'm not keen for AGI technology to be generally available) _ From: Kingma, D.P. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 1:28 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] about AGI designers On 6/6/07, Peter Voss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Our goal is to create full AGI, but our business plan is to commercialize an intermediate-level AGI engine via some highly lucrative applications. Our target date to commence commercialization is the end of next year. Peter Voss a2i2 The latest news item on your website sais this time our focus is on a May 2007 milestone, when we expect to showcase our progress to various investors. Is there any chance that we (non-investors) will get to see a glimpse of A2I2 progress? D.P. Kingma _ This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/? http://v2.listbox.com/member/?; - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?member_id=231415user_secret=e9e40a7e
RE: [agi] GI as substrate for memetic evolution
The essential difference between animal and human intelligence lies in our ability to form and deal with *abstract* concepts. This enables self-awareness, volition, etc. Some chains of abstractions are memes (compact ideas that transmit well in a given environment). Lower-level concepts (perceptually grounded) form the basis of all adaptive intelligence -- for recognition, generalization, differentiation, learning, surprise, etc. Our AGI approach is based on these insights (among others). http://adaptiveai.com/research/index.htm Peter Voss -Original Message- From: DEREK ZAHN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 7:25 AM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: [agi] GI as substrate for memetic evolution Nothing particularly original here, but I think it's kind of interesting. Suppose that at some point, basically by accident, the brains of our ancestors became capable of supporting the evolution of memes. Biological evolution started with a LOOONG period of low complexity creatures, during which time the basic pieces were discovered, the fruitful building blocks on which diversity would flourish. Similarly, our ancestors were stupid for a long time because they only hosted simple memes, churning away in their brains. Eventually the core building blocks for complex memes were discovered, leading to faster and faster progress as the size of the substrate increased through population, the ability for fitter memes to spread increased through written language and internets, and the memes themselves are more complex and diverse. Looking at it this way, we can define the general intelligence of an individual as the extent to which it can function as part of this substrate for memetic evolution -- the ability to host, communicate, and perform genetic operations on memes as they exist in human culture. This definition also suffers from a lack of intermediate progress points, but it suggests that studying memes may be an interesting alternative (or precursor) to studying reasoning, perception, memory, architectures, etc. Are any prospective AGI builders working from a viewpoint similar to this? - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?; - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?member_id=231415user_secret=fabd7936
[agi] Cyc a failure?
In these forums I often hear that Cyc is a failure. Somebody recently mentioned it again. My question: What specifically is Cyc unable to do? What are the tests, and how did it fail? I'd be interested in specifics. Peter PS. My own view is that Cyc does not have what it takes to be(come) an AGI - I've written about that elsewhere (mainly theoretical reasons). PPS. More generally, I plan to ask the same questions about other 'AGI faulures' - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?member_id=231415user_secret=fabd7936
RE: [agi] My proposal for an AGI agenda
Chuck is exactly right, A successful AGI project (or anything else large difficult) depends on someone's vision and leadership: technical (design), motivational (psychological and goal-defining), and execution (engineering and management). Peter (Chuck, as for the million dollars: join our project...) -Original Message- From: Chuck Esterbrook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 12:37 AM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] My proposal for an AGI agenda On 3/24/07, YKY (Yan King Yin) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/25/07, rooftop8000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Simply voting on individual features cannot work because all the features of an AGI are inter-related; they have to work together synergistically. A committee approach to architecture has historically failed repeatedly, especially where breaking new ground is concerned. Someone needs to be the leader/visionary. Usually the one that forms the group... I'd make a bronze statue of anyone who can solve this problem!! Can I get a million dollars instead? :-) -Chuck - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?list_id=303
RE: [agi] My proposal for an AGI agenda
Yes, David, some good ideas. We are well into our AGI prototype using c# and are quite happy with it. However, fully integrated reflection, DB support, etc. would be nice. I designed and implemented a very comprehensive language (called One) in the '80s and used it to code a large commercial application: that was heaven. But. Getting other people to work on it (bad career move), and trying to develop various development tools as good or better than commercial ones proved to be its undoing. I see a specialized language for AGI as a (huge) distraction. C#/.net gives you a fighting chance to overcome most serious limitations. I must say it *would* be nice to have a z# (ie. C# plus full wishlist). Peter Voss -Original Message- From: Ben Goertzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 9:57 AM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] My proposal for an AGI agenda For people who might be interested in influencing some of the features of this system, I would appreciate them looking at my documentation at www.rccconsulting.com/hal.htm http://www.rccconsulting.com/hal.htm Although my system isn't quite ready for alpha distribution yet, I expect that it will be within a few months. People that help with the alpha and beta testing will be given consideration on the use of the system in the future even if they don't participate in the AGI development. When this project goes ahead, I think even Ben (who has a huge intellectual and financial investment in his Novamente project) will be interested in the experiments and results a system like I am proposing will have, even if he never interfaces his program with it. http://v2.listbox.com/member/?list_id=303 Your programming language looks interesting, and well designed in many ways, but I have never been convinced that the inadequacies of current programming languages are a significant cause of the slow progress we have seen toward AGI. If you were introducing a radically new programming paradigm for AGI, I would be more interested Not that I think this is necessary to achieve AGI, but I would find it more intellectually stimulating ;-) Regarding languages, I personally am a big fan of both Ruby and Haskell. But, for Novamente we use C++ for reasons of scalability. -- Ben - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?list_id=303 - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?list_id=303
RE: [agi] Logical representation
Evolutionary approaches are what you use when you run of engineering ideas... (and run of statistical approaches) The last game in town. Some of us are making good progress towards AGI via engineering. Peter -Original Message- From: Eugen Leitl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 1:43 PM To: Russell Wallace; agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] Logical representation On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 07:47:26PM +, Russell Wallace wrote: ... The first and biggest step is to get your system to learn how to evolve. I understand many do not yet see this as a problem at all. shot at that route, let me know if you want a summary of conclusions and ideas I got to before I moved away from it. I don't understand why you moved away from it (it's the only game in town), but if you have a document of your conclusions to share, fire away. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?list_id=303
RE: Languages for AGI [WAS Re: [agi] Priors and indefinite probabilities]
Dynamic code generation is not a major aspect of our AGI. To clarify: While I agree that many AI apps require massively parallel number-crunching, in our AGI approach neither are major requirements. 'Number crunching' is of course part of any serious AI/AGI implementation, but we find that (software) design is by far the more important bottleneck. -Original Message- From: Eugen Leitl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 8:50 AM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: Languages for AGI [WAS Re: [agi] Priors and indefinite probabilities] On Sat, Feb 17, 2007 at 08:46:17AM -0800, Peter Voss wrote: We use .net/ c#, and are very happy with our choice. Very productive. I don't know much about those. Bytecode, JIT at runtime? Might be not too slow. If you use code generation, do you do it at source or at bytecode level? Eugen(Of course AI is a massively parallel number-crunching application... Disagree. That it is massively parallel, or number-crunching? Or neither massively-parallel, nor number-crunching? -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?list_id=303 - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?list_id=303
[agi] hard-coded inductive biases
... various comments ... It more fundamental than that: The design of your 'senses' - what feature extraction, sampling and encoding you provide lays a primary foundation to induction. Peter - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?list_id=303
RE: [agi] (video)The Future of Cognitive Computing
Eugen IBM is smart. They know what they're doing. Yeah! What an impressive argument. Eugen There are shorter paths, but nobody knows where they are There is more known about the shorter paths than actual the functioning of the human mind/brain. * All current useful robots are engineered, not reverse-engineered. * All AI successes so far are engineered solutions, not copies of wetware (Deep Blue, Darpa Challenge, Google, etc.) * Planes have been flying for 100 years, yet we haven't even reverse-engineered a sparrow's fart... Ben ... the prophecy that human brain emulation will be the initial path to AGI could become a self-fulfilling one. Ben, your comment seems to reflect your frustration at lack of funding rather than a realistic assessment of the situation. Even if no *dedicated* AGI engineering project is first to achieve AGI, people in the software/AI community will stumble on a solution long before reverse engineering becomes feasible. Don't you agree? Peter Voss http://adaptiveai.com/ -Original Message- From: Eugen Leitl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, Jan 21, 2007 at 10:03:52AM -0500, Benjamin Goertzel wrote: One thing I find interesting is that IBM is focusing their AGI-ish efforts so tightly on human-brain-emulation-related approaches. IBM is smart. They know what they're doing. Kurzweil, as is well known, has forecast that human brain emulation is the most viable path to follow to get to AGI. I agree that it is a viable path, but I don't think it is anywhere near the shortest path. There are shorter paths, but nobody knows where they are. That's the key point of it: the world is complicated. Dealing with the world takes lost of machinery. There's a strange cognitive bias in people, AIlers specifically, to think that AI is based on some simple generic method, and they just know what it is. No validation or further evidence required; it's all obvious. Whomever you ask, they all know it, but all their answers differ. Historically, this approach has failed abysmally. Trying to reverse-engineer a known working system might do less for one's ego, but it's the only game in town, as far as I can see. However, I think it's possible (though not extremely likely) that if all the pundits and funding sources (like IBM) continue to harp on the brain-emulation approach to the exclusion of other approaches, the prophecy that human brain emulation will be the initial path to AGI could become a self-fulfilling one ;-p ... In this race, there are no second places. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?list_id=303
[agi] AGI meeting in Austin on Sunday Dec 10th?
I'll be in Austin next Sunday. If anyone there would like to meet to talk about AGI (and other things extropian), please contact me privately at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peter Voss - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?list_id=303
RE: [agi] new paper: What Do You Mean by AI?
Hi Pei, Just finished reading your Rigid Flexibility book; it's a nice summary of your approach. I can recommend it to anyone interested in AGI: If you agree with Pei's general approach it provides quite a bit a detail; if you disagree, it provides a coherent reference point. Peter -Original Message- From: Pei Wang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 8:52 AM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: [agi] new paper: What Do You Mean by AI? Hi, A new paper of mine is put on-line for comment. English corrections are also welcome. You can either post to this mailing list or send me private emails. Thanks in advance. Pei --- TITLE: What Do You Mean by AI? ABSTRACT: Many problems in AI study can be traced back to the confusion of different research goals. In this paper, five typical ways to define AI are clarified, analyzed, and compared. It is argued that though they are all legitimate research goals, they lead the research to very different directions. Furthermore, most of them have trouble to give AI a proper identity. URL: http://nars.wang.googlepages.com/wang.AI_Definitions.pdf - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?list_id=303
RE: [agi] new paper: What Do You Mean by AI?
That'll be when you join our project... ... or buy our product... :) -Original Message- From: Pei Wang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Peter, Thanks! I look forward to the day when you can tell us more about a2i2. :-) Pei On 11/17/06, Peter Voss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Pei, Just finished reading your Rigid Flexibility book; it's a nice summary of your approach. I can recommend it to anyone interested in AGI: If you agree with Pei's general approach it provides quite a bit a detail; if you disagree, it provides a coherent reference point. Peter - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?list_id=303
[agi] SOTA
I'm often asked about state-of-the-art in AI, and would like to get some opinions. What do you regard, or what is generally regarded as SOTA in the various AI aspects that may be, or may be seen to be relevant to AGI? For example: - Comprehensive (common-sense) knowledge-bases and/or ontologies - Inference engines, etc. - Adaptive expert systems - Question answering systems - NLP components such as parsers, translators, grammar-checkers - Interactive robotics systems (sensing/ actuation) - physical or virtual - Vision, voice, pattern recognition, etc. - Interactive learning systems - Integrated intelligent systems ... whatever ... I'm looking for the best functionality -- irrespective of proprietary, open-source, or academic. Peter - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [agi] Failure scenarios
Looking at past and current (likely) failures trying to solve the wrong problem is the first place, or not having good enough theory/ approaches to solving the right problems, or poor implementation However, even though you specifically restricted your question to technical matters, by far the most important reasons are managerial ie. Staying focused on general intelligence, funding, project management, etc. Peter http://adaptiveai.com/faq/index.htm#little_progress From: Joshua Fox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 5:53 AM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: [agi] Failure scenarios I hope this question isn't too forward, but itwould certainly help clarify the possibilities for AGI. To those doing AGI development: If, at the end of the development stage of your project -- say, after approximately five years -- you find that it has failed technically to the point that it is not salvageable, what do you think is most likely to have caused it? Let's exclude financial and management considerations from this discussion; and let's take for granted that a failure is just a learning opportunity for the next step. Answers can be oriented to functionality or implementation. Some examples: True general intelligence in some areas, but so unintelligent in others as to be useless; Super-intelligence in principle but severely limited by hardware capacity to the point of uselessness. But of course, I'm interested in_your_ answers. Thanks, Joshua This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [agi] Why so few AGI projects?
I considered and researched this issue thoroughly a few years ago. For a summary: http://adaptiveai.com/faq/index.htm#few_researchers For detail: http://adaptiveai.com/research/index.htm (section 8) In addition to asking researchers you also need to look at psychological and hidden motives, as well as the dynamics of funding sources (DARPA, etc), business and academia. Peter From: Joshua Fox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd like to raise a FAQ: Why is so little AGI research and development being done?... This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [agi] Why so few AGI projects?
Yes, an important point. For our project we invented a new profession: AI psychologist. It is very hard to find computer scientists who are comfortable thinking about a program (AGI) in terms of teaching, training and psychology. Conversely, developmental and cognitive psychologists usually dont have an interest in computers/ programming. Peter PS. http://adaptiveai.com/company/opportunities.htm From: Andrew Babian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:04:31 +0300, Joshua Fox wrote I'd like to raise a FAQ: Why is so little AGI research and development being done? I think this is a very good question. Maybe the problem has just been daunting. It seems like only recently have there really started to be some good theoretical models, and maybe people just haven't realized that it may have just become reasonable. So maybe some is inertia. I'm in town here with Stan Franklin, who is one of those working on a general model, though I don't work with his group. He's had a relationship with the cognitive science people at the university here, and is glad to be able to do real science. And it does seem like the computer people and psychologists really are in separate worlds and are not that into reaching out. I remember talking to a cog psych graduate student who seemed to have interests in understanding how mings might work. But I'm from an engineering background, and talking to her, it seemed like she came out and said she was only interested in how people work, and had no interest in how to get a machine to do it. A matter of priorities and interest, then, perhaps. As for the principles, I also seem to remember that they had some trouble getting the primary cognitive psychologist to get that interested in helping with the theoretical psychology because he had so many other things he was working on. My exposure to that group was very limited though, but I remember getting that feeling. And, they have a cog sci seminar where really try to get the computer people to work with the psychologists, but a semester is too short. I suppose I need to find out if there are any deeper collaborations going on. This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [agi] Why so few AGI projects?
AGI ideas that are well developed can be quite concrete, as well as having payoffs in the near future. Our project's business plan aims to do both. Peter -Original Message- From: Eliezer S. Yudkowsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Additional factor: AGI ideas are often vague or analogical. Even the ideas with mathematically describable internals are often vague in the explanation of what they are supposed to do, or why they are supposed to be intelligent. It would be harder to cooperate on a project like that, than on developing a faster sorting algorithm. Fuzzy beliefs are harder to communicate; communication is the essence of cooperation. -Original Message- From: Neil H. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Of course, one might also argue that they simply didn't venture far enough to see the proverbial light at the end of the tunnel. I suppose one of the downsides about AGI is that, unlike more focused AI research (vision, NLP, etc), there really aren't any intermediate payoffs between now and the holy grail. - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[agi] a2i2 is ready to expand team once again
Our latest news flash: http://adaptiveai.com/news/ News Flash Our project is progressing well, and we are once again looking to expand our team. This is an opportunity for a select few individuals to become members of our core team, and to significantly contribute to the creation of real AGI. Various Los Angeles based full-time positions are currently open. All offer competitive cash compensation. Please see http://adaptiveai.com/company/opportunities.htm for details, and apply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]com Peter Voss Towards Increased Intelligence! To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[agi] Anyone for a pre Singularity Summit meeting this Friday?
I'll be in Palo Alto from Friday afternoon for the Singularity Summit: http://sss.stanford.edu/ Anyone interested in meeting Friday afternoon or evening to socialize and talk about Futurism/ Extropy/ AGI ? You can contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peter Voss http://www.optimal.org/peter/peter.htm --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[agi] 4 positions open at a2i2
A quick update from a2i2 * We have another two key investors in our company, and now dont expect funding to be a bottleneck for the remainder of our development project. * Work on our prototype is progressing well we are on schedule to achieve robust human-level learning and cognition within 2 years. * We have four Los Angeles based full-time positions open. All are offering competitive cash compensation. - Entry-level AI Psychologist/ programmer - Experienced, and highly competent programmer - Software engineering team-leader / CTO candidate - Senior AI psychologist to head up our AGI training/ testing/ knowledge acquisition effort These are opportunities to become a member of our core team, and to significantly contribute to the creation of real AGI. Please see: http://adaptiveai.com/company/opportunities.htm and apply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peter Voss Adaptive A.I. Inc To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[agi] a2i2 news update: still looking for additional talent
a2i2is still looking for additionalteam members. http://adaptiveai.com/news/index.htm Towards Increased Intelligence! Peter Voss Adaptive A.I. Inc To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[agi] a2i2 opportunities
We are now well into the implementation phase of out AGI project, but have not yet found suitable candidates for two key positions - 1) Senior Programmer/Team Leader (CTO candidate) 2) Chief AI Psychologist/Team Leader http://adaptiveai.com/company/opportunities.htm Please pass this along to anyone you think may be suitable. Peter Voss Adaptive A.I. Inc. --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[agi] a2i2 news update - We're Hiring!
All Systems Go for Project Aigo - We'reHiring! Please spread the word. Help us find additional talent. http://adaptiveai.com/news/index.htm Towards Increased Intelligence! Peter Voss a2i2 - Adaptive A.I. Inc. To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[agi] a2i2 - news update (seeking CTO)
Funding progress! News update: http://adaptiveai.com/news/ Please help us find a CTO:http://adaptiveai.com/company/opportunities.htm (Also seeking LA-based programmer) Towards Increased Intelligence! Peter To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[agi] a2i2 news update
A news update: http://adaptiveai.com/news/index.htm Towards Increased Intelligence! Peter To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[agi] a2i2 news: The Next Phase
Our project is ready to make the transition from doing internal, proof-of-concept research to developing a fully-functioning, high-level working model. We are seeking suggestions for one or two additional advisors to our project. http://adaptiveai.com/news/index.htm Towards Increased Intelligence! Peter --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[agi] Accelerating Change Conference (Early Bird Registration Deadline: Sept 30th)
Accelerating Change Conference - Physical Space, Virtual Space, and Interface Stanford University, Palo Alto CA November 5 - 7, 2004 In case you guys didn't know about this cool futurist conference: http://www.accelerating.org/ac2004/ Five of us from a2i2 will be there! Hope to see some of you there. Best, Peter PS. Note: Early bird registration deadline is Sept 30th --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.770 / Virus Database: 517 - Release Date: 9/27/2004 --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [agi] Psychometric AI
I can't find it in the archives. Can you give me a link? Thanks, Peter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of J. W. Johnston ...As AGI testing and validation goes, some might recall in my IVI Architecture posted here about a year ago, I specified testing to proceed from Mental Status Tests (basic orientation, attention, memory, etc. tests like a human neurologist would administer) ... --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.764 / Virus Database: 511 - Release Date: 9/15/2004 --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [agi] SOTA 50 GB memory for Windows
Visual Studio (beta) with 64-bit (c#) compilation is available now: http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/vs2005/productinfo/productline/ as is Windows XP 64-bit for testing. That's all one needs for development. Peter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Shane Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 9:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [agi] SOTA 50 GB memory for Windows Well I guess I have become skeptical about when they will release such a thing as they have been saying that they will put out a 64 bit version for Intel for years now but then always pushing back the release date. No doubt it's related to the difficulties Intel has been having with Itanium. If Intel deliver their AMD compatible 64 bit chips reasonably soon then surely a 64 bit Windows release can't be too far away. The other thing is that when something as big as this changes in the OS it can take a while for various things to straighten themselves out. Things like development tools, devices drivers and so on. I guess for you the key thing is when they will deliver a 64 bit version of C# and associated tools. Curiously, you could get 64 bit Windows for Alpha CPUs about 8 years ago! A friend of mind used to develop things for it way back then, but that version of Windows was eventually killed off by Microsoft. Shane Peter Voss wrote: Microsoft Updates 64-bit Windows XP Preview Editions http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1637471,00.asp Peter --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.742 / Virus Database: 495 - Release Date: 8/19/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.742 / Virus Database: 495 - Release Date: 8/19/2004 --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[agi] SOTA 50 GB memory for Windows
What are the best options for large amounts of fast memory for Windows-based systems? I'm looking for price performance (access time) for: 1) Cached RAID 2) RAM disks 3) Internal RAM (using 64 bit architecture?) 4) other Thanks for any info. Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.740 / Virus Database: 494 - Release Date: 8/16/2004 --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [agi] SOTA 50 GB memory for Windows
Thanks Andrew. I didn't realize that RAID cache doesn't help on reads (like RAM disks do). Just how expensive is a high-performance 50GB RAM disk system? Off hand, anyone know progress/ETA on Intel EM64T for .net laguages (c#) ? Also, what Windows compatible machines offer the most RAM ? (Dell seems to max out at 8Gb) Peter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of J. Andrew Rogers Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 2:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [agi] SOTA 50 GB memory for Windows I'm looking for price performance (access time) for: 1) Cached RAID This will be useless for runtime VM or pseudo-VM purposes. RAID cache isolates the application from write burst bottlenecks when syncing disks (e.g. checkpointing transaction logs), but that's about it. For flatter I/O patterns, you'll lose 3-4 orders of magnitude access time over non-cached main memory and it won't be appreciably faster than raw spindle. Wrong tool for the application. 2) RAM disks Functionally workable, but very expensive. It is much cheaper per GB to buy the biggest RAM chips you can find and put them on the motherboard. The primary advantage is that you can scale it to very large sizes while only losing somewhere around an order of magnitude versus main core if done well. 3) Internal RAM (using 64 bit architecture?) The best performing, and relatively cheap too. You can slap 32 GB of RAM in an off-the-shelf Opteron system for not much money. The biggest problem is finding motherboards with loads of memory slots and the fact that there is a hard upper bound on how much memory a given system will support. 4) other Nothing I can think of that will work with Windows. There are other performant and cost-effective options for Linux/Unix systems. A compromise might be to max out system RAM within reason (e.g. using 2GB DIMMs), and then using RAM disks on a fast HBA to get the rest of your capacity. All of this will require a 64-bit OS to be efficient. j. andrew rogers --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.740 / Virus Database: 494 - Release Date: 8/16/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.740 / Virus Database: 494 - Release Date: 8/16/2004 --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [agi] SOTA 50 GB memory for Windows
Microsoft Updates 64-bit Windows XP Preview Editions http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1637471,00.asp Peter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Shane . However there isn't a 64 bit version of Windows on the market nor will there be for some time. Thus your only option is to run something like Linux if you want to have all this data being accessed by code directly in RAM --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.740 / Virus Database: 494 - Release Date: 8/16/2004 --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[agi] a2i2 news update ( seeking AI Psychologists)
Anews update:http://adaptiveai.com/news/index.htm Please also see our ad for AI Psychologists: http://adaptiveai.com/company/opportunities.htm Towards Increased Intelligence! To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [agi] AGI research consortium
YKYwe can form a research consortium to better capture market value and so everyone will get a slice of the pie. This will also facilitate communication and external knowledge sharing between AGI groups (such as sharing a virtual sensory environment testbed). .. It could make sense to share virtual test environments, and test setups - however, they need to be (made) compatible. That may not be all that easy; e.g. we use .net/C#. YKY...Maybe we can start a discussion on how to divide future AGI revenues among different groups. That's potentially 'easy' for any for-profits: just pay for services tools in shares. For example we would pay you in shares for anything of yours we used -- and vice versa. If we can't agree on value, then we don't deal. The main problem I see with this is that people tend to overvalue their own work/ shares. Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.707 / Virus Database: 463 - Release Date: 6/15/2004 --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [agi] Dogs can learn language...
We are not going for 'dpg-level intelligence' per se -- rather, roughly best cognitive abilities of various animals human infants. Actually our current 'phase3' specs already include Alex's (The Parrot) abilities. Also, I don't see any particular difficulty with our current design/ system learning hundreds of different concept or goal references. Peter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ben Goertzel Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 10:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [agi] Dogs can learn language... From the New York Times today ... This is perhaps pertinent to Peter Voss's notion of dog-level intelligence ;-) ben --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.700 / Virus Database: 457 - Release Date: 6/6/2004 --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [agi] Robot Brain Project
Thanks, Ben - a real find. May be able to use parts of their algorithms. Peter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ben Goertzel Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 7:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [agi] Robot Brain Project Check it out -- interesting project! http://ed-02.ams.eng.osaka-u.ac.jp/~kfm/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.700 / Virus Database: 457 - Release Date: 6/6/2004 --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[agi] a2i2 news update (seeking another 'AI Psychologist' to join team)
A brief news update:http://adaptiveai.com/news/index.htm To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[agi] Down Under
I'll be visiting Sydney, Brisbane, Perth and Auckland later this month. I anyone Down Under wants to meet me to chat about the Singularity, AGI, etc. drop me a line mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Peter --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[agi] Umnick
Anyone here have any real information on http://www.umnick.com/Eng/DigitalBrain.asp?DigitalBrain_001.asp ? --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[agi] a2i2 Project Review/Update
Here is a review and status report on our project: http://adaptiveai.com/news/index.htm We are again actively looking for (at least) two additional LA-based team members. Contact me for details. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Towards Increased Intelligence! Peter --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[agi] Building a safe AI
http://www.optimal.org/peter/siai_guidelines.htm Peter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ben Goertzel I would recommend Eliezer's excellent writings on this topic if you don't know them, chiefly www.singinst.org/CFAI.html . Also, I have a brief informal essay on the topic, www.goertzel.org/dynapsyc/2002/AIMorality.htm , although my thoughts on the topic have progressed a fair bit since I wrote that. Note that I don't fully agree with Eliezer on this stuff, but I do think he's thought about it more thoroughly than anyone else (including me). It's a matter of creating an initial condition so that the trajectory of the evolving AI system (with a potentially evolving goal system) will have a very high probability of staying in a favorable region of state space ;-) --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [agi] Reinforcement learning
Thanks, Ben. Looks really interesting. Hadn't seen it before. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ben Goertzel Hi all, As a digression from the recent threads on theFriendliness or otherwise of certain uncomputable, unimplementable AI systems, I thought I'd post something on some fascinating practical AI algorithms These are narrow-AI at present, but, they definitely have some AGI relevance. Moshe Looks recently pointed out some very exciting work to me, by a guy named Eric Baum. ...Put simply, this guy seems to have actually made reinforcement learning work.
