DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8196-8201

2019-07-02 Thread Ørjan Johansen

On Mon, 1 Jul 2019, Aris Merchant wrote:


Amend item 3 of the only list of Rule 2528 ("Voting Methods") to read:

 3. For an instant runoff decision, non-empty ordered lists for which
 each element is a valid option.


The current "entities" text was introduced on purpose in 2017 by Alexis's 
proposal 7922 (Clarity Act).  To quote its comment:



[This splits off the portion of 955 that isn't actually related to
 resolution. The definition of instant runoff is changed to evaluate
 validity of options at the end of the voting period, and avoid
 retroactively invalidating votes if an option drops out.]


Greetings,
Ørjan.


Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8196-8201

2019-07-01 Thread Rebecca
Oh true, I forgot about the proposal pool indeed.

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 1:05 PM Aris Merchant <
thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> You can CoE it because it makes the proposal list, which is self-ratifying,
> invalid.
>
> -Aris
>
> On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 8:04 PM Rebecca  wrote:
>
> > These aren't real CoEs anyway, remember. There's no obligation for
> > proposals to be distributed at the same time. So you can't really CoE an
> > omission, only finger point an untimely one.
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 1:00 PM Aris Merchant <
> > thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > *OH.* Whoops. Yeah, it's good. For some reason (maybe because the
> > > number was the same? my error in any case) I was sure that the link
> > > was the same as in your previous email; it definitely wasn't though.
> > > Yeah, your CoE totally worked.
> > >
> > > -Aris
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 7:58 PM Jason Cobb 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The link I pasted was (my attempt at) sending it to the public forum.
> > Is
> > > > replying and setting the to address to agora-business not enough?
> > > >
> > > > Jason Cobb
> > > >
> > > > On 7/1/19 10:55 PM, Aris Merchant wrote:
> > > > > Roger on the proposal, and again, I'm sorry. It's your CoE that's
> > > NttPF.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Aris
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 7:52 PM Jason Cobb 
> > > wrote:
> > > > >> It's fine. It's not urgent in light of the judgment on CFJ 3737,
> so
> > it
> > > > >> can just wait. Also, it was submitted to the public forum here
> [0].
> > > > >>
> > > > >> [0]:
> > > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2019-July/040745.html
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Jason Cobb
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On 7/1/19 10:48 PM, Aris Merchant wrote:
> > > > >>> NttPF.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On the merits, accepted, with my sincere apologies. I could patch
> > > this
> > > > >>> by submitting a revised distribution now, but then the proposal
> > might
> > > > >>> not reach quorum (quorum is 7 ATM, which is pretty high, and
> people
> > > > >>> tend to forget to vote on special distributions). Or I could wait
> > and
> > > > >>> put it in the next distribution. Neither is a great option, and
> I'm
> > > > >>> sorry to put you in this situation. I'll do whichever you prefer
> as
> > > > >>> proposal author.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> -Aris
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 7:09 PM Jason Cobb <
> jason.e.c...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >  Claim of error: I submitted the proposal "Regulated actions
> reform
> > > (v2)"
> > > >  here [0].
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  [0]:
> > > > 
> > >
> >
> https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2019-June/040719.html
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  Jason Cobb
> > > > 
> > > >  On 7/1/19 9:55 PM, Aris Merchant wrote:
> > > > > I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran
> > > > > Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the
> > proposal
> > > > > pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor,
> the
> > > > > quorum is 7, the voting method is AI-majority, and the valid
> > > > > options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as
> are
> > > > > conditional votes).
> > > > >
> > > > > IDAuthor(s)  AITitle
> > > > >
> > >
> >
> ---
> > > > > 8196  Jason Cobb, Falsifian  1.7   Perfecting pledges (v1.2)
> > > > > 8197  G. none  no power is all powerful
> > > > > 8198  Jason Cobb 1.0   Be gone, foul demon!
> > > > > 8199  Jason Cobb 3.0   Fixing instant runoff
> > > > > 8200  Aris, G.   3.0   Sane AI Defaulting
> > > > > 8201  Aris   3.0   Just Make Them Write It Out
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The proposal pool is currently empty.
> > > > >
> > > > > The full text of the aforementioned proposal(s) is included
> > below.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > //
> > > > > ID: 8196
> > > > > Title: Perfecting pledges (v1.2)
> > > > > Adoption index: 1.7
> > > > > Author: Jason Cobb
> > > > > Co-authors: Falsifian
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [Comment: This clarifies the wording to explicitly use both the
> > > time
> > > > > window and penalty specified in the Oath. This also specifies
> > that
> > > > > pledges can only be violated once.]
> > > > >
> > > > > Amend the first paragraph of Rule 2450 ("Pledges") to read:
> > > > >
> > > > >  If a Player makes a clear public pledge (syn. Oath) to
> > > perform (or
> > > > >  refrain from performing) certain actions, then breaking
> the
> > > pledge
> > > > >  within the pledge's time window is the Class N crime of

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8196-8201

2019-07-01 Thread Aris Merchant
You can CoE it because it makes the proposal list, which is self-ratifying,
invalid.

-Aris

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 8:04 PM Rebecca  wrote:

> These aren't real CoEs anyway, remember. There's no obligation for
> proposals to be distributed at the same time. So you can't really CoE an
> omission, only finger point an untimely one.
>
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 1:00 PM Aris Merchant <
> thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > *OH.* Whoops. Yeah, it's good. For some reason (maybe because the
> > number was the same? my error in any case) I was sure that the link
> > was the same as in your previous email; it definitely wasn't though.
> > Yeah, your CoE totally worked.
> >
> > -Aris
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 7:58 PM Jason Cobb 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > The link I pasted was (my attempt at) sending it to the public forum.
> Is
> > > replying and setting the to address to agora-business not enough?
> > >
> > > Jason Cobb
> > >
> > > On 7/1/19 10:55 PM, Aris Merchant wrote:
> > > > Roger on the proposal, and again, I'm sorry. It's your CoE that's
> > NttPF.
> > > >
> > > > -Aris
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 7:52 PM Jason Cobb 
> > wrote:
> > > >> It's fine. It's not urgent in light of the judgment on CFJ 3737, so
> it
> > > >> can just wait. Also, it was submitted to the public forum here [0].
> > > >>
> > > >> [0]:
> > > >>
> >
> https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2019-July/040745.html
> > > >>
> > > >> Jason Cobb
> > > >>
> > > >> On 7/1/19 10:48 PM, Aris Merchant wrote:
> > > >>> NttPF.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On the merits, accepted, with my sincere apologies. I could patch
> > this
> > > >>> by submitting a revised distribution now, but then the proposal
> might
> > > >>> not reach quorum (quorum is 7 ATM, which is pretty high, and people
> > > >>> tend to forget to vote on special distributions). Or I could wait
> and
> > > >>> put it in the next distribution. Neither is a great option, and I'm
> > > >>> sorry to put you in this situation. I'll do whichever you prefer as
> > > >>> proposal author.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> -Aris
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 7:09 PM Jason Cobb 
> > wrote:
> > >  Claim of error: I submitted the proposal "Regulated actions reform
> > (v2)"
> > >  here [0].
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  [0]:
> > > 
> >
> https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2019-June/040719.html
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  Jason Cobb
> > > 
> > >  On 7/1/19 9:55 PM, Aris Merchant wrote:
> > > > I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran
> > > > Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the
> proposal
> > > > pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the
> > > > quorum is 7, the voting method is AI-majority, and the valid
> > > > options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are
> > > > conditional votes).
> > > >
> > > > IDAuthor(s)  AITitle
> > > >
> >
> ---
> > > > 8196  Jason Cobb, Falsifian  1.7   Perfecting pledges (v1.2)
> > > > 8197  G. none  no power is all powerful
> > > > 8198  Jason Cobb 1.0   Be gone, foul demon!
> > > > 8199  Jason Cobb 3.0   Fixing instant runoff
> > > > 8200  Aris, G.   3.0   Sane AI Defaulting
> > > > 8201  Aris   3.0   Just Make Them Write It Out
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The proposal pool is currently empty.
> > > >
> > > > The full text of the aforementioned proposal(s) is included
> below.
> > > >
> > > >
> > //
> > > > ID: 8196
> > > > Title: Perfecting pledges (v1.2)
> > > > Adoption index: 1.7
> > > > Author: Jason Cobb
> > > > Co-authors: Falsifian
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Comment: This clarifies the wording to explicitly use both the
> > time
> > > > window and penalty specified in the Oath. This also specifies
> that
> > > > pledges can only be violated once.]
> > > >
> > > > Amend the first paragraph of Rule 2450 ("Pledges") to read:
> > > >
> > > >  If a Player makes a clear public pledge (syn. Oath) to
> > perform (or
> > > >  refrain from performing) certain actions, then breaking the
> > pledge
> > > >  within the pledge's time window is the Class N crime of
> > > >  Oathbreaking. If the pledge specifically states that the
> > pledge is
> > > >  under penalty of a Class A crime, where A is an integer not
> > less
> > > >  than 1, then N is A; otherwise, N is 2. If the pledge
> > specifically
> > > >  states that it operates only for a certain time window, and
> > if that
> > > >  time window is prospective and not retrospective, then it
> > operates
> > > >

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8196-8201

2019-07-01 Thread Rebecca
These aren't real CoEs anyway, remember. There's no obligation for
proposals to be distributed at the same time. So you can't really CoE an
omission, only finger point an untimely one.

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 1:00 PM Aris Merchant <
thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> *OH.* Whoops. Yeah, it's good. For some reason (maybe because the
> number was the same? my error in any case) I was sure that the link
> was the same as in your previous email; it definitely wasn't though.
> Yeah, your CoE totally worked.
>
> -Aris
>
> On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 7:58 PM Jason Cobb  wrote:
> >
> > The link I pasted was (my attempt at) sending it to the public forum. Is
> > replying and setting the to address to agora-business not enough?
> >
> > Jason Cobb
> >
> > On 7/1/19 10:55 PM, Aris Merchant wrote:
> > > Roger on the proposal, and again, I'm sorry. It's your CoE that's
> NttPF.
> > >
> > > -Aris
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 7:52 PM Jason Cobb 
> wrote:
> > >> It's fine. It's not urgent in light of the judgment on CFJ 3737, so it
> > >> can just wait. Also, it was submitted to the public forum here [0].
> > >>
> > >> [0]:
> > >>
> https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2019-July/040745.html
> > >>
> > >> Jason Cobb
> > >>
> > >> On 7/1/19 10:48 PM, Aris Merchant wrote:
> > >>> NttPF.
> > >>>
> > >>> On the merits, accepted, with my sincere apologies. I could patch
> this
> > >>> by submitting a revised distribution now, but then the proposal might
> > >>> not reach quorum (quorum is 7 ATM, which is pretty high, and people
> > >>> tend to forget to vote on special distributions). Or I could wait and
> > >>> put it in the next distribution. Neither is a great option, and I'm
> > >>> sorry to put you in this situation. I'll do whichever you prefer as
> > >>> proposal author.
> > >>>
> > >>> -Aris
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 7:09 PM Jason Cobb 
> wrote:
> >  Claim of error: I submitted the proposal "Regulated actions reform
> (v2)"
> >  here [0].
> > 
> > 
> >  [0]:
> > 
> https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2019-June/040719.html
> > 
> > 
> >  Jason Cobb
> > 
> >  On 7/1/19 9:55 PM, Aris Merchant wrote:
> > > I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran
> > > Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal
> > > pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the
> > > quorum is 7, the voting method is AI-majority, and the valid
> > > options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are
> > > conditional votes).
> > >
> > > IDAuthor(s)  AITitle
> > >
> ---
> > > 8196  Jason Cobb, Falsifian  1.7   Perfecting pledges (v1.2)
> > > 8197  G. none  no power is all powerful
> > > 8198  Jason Cobb 1.0   Be gone, foul demon!
> > > 8199  Jason Cobb 3.0   Fixing instant runoff
> > > 8200  Aris, G.   3.0   Sane AI Defaulting
> > > 8201  Aris   3.0   Just Make Them Write It Out
> > >
> > >
> > > The proposal pool is currently empty.
> > >
> > > The full text of the aforementioned proposal(s) is included below.
> > >
> > >
> //
> > > ID: 8196
> > > Title: Perfecting pledges (v1.2)
> > > Adoption index: 1.7
> > > Author: Jason Cobb
> > > Co-authors: Falsifian
> > >
> > >
> > > [Comment: This clarifies the wording to explicitly use both the
> time
> > > window and penalty specified in the Oath. This also specifies that
> > > pledges can only be violated once.]
> > >
> > > Amend the first paragraph of Rule 2450 ("Pledges") to read:
> > >
> > >  If a Player makes a clear public pledge (syn. Oath) to
> perform (or
> > >  refrain from performing) certain actions, then breaking the
> pledge
> > >  within the pledge's time window is the Class N crime of
> > >  Oathbreaking. If the pledge specifically states that the
> pledge is
> > >  under penalty of a Class A crime, where A is an integer not
> less
> > >  than 1, then N is A; otherwise, N is 2. If the pledge
> specifically
> > >  states that it operates only for a certain time window, and
> if that
> > >  time window is prospective and not retrospective, then it
> operates
> > >  only for that time window; otherwise, the pledge operates for
> 60
> > >  days. It is impossible to commit the crime of Oathbreaking
> multiple
> > >  times for a single pledge; breaking a single pledge multiple
> times
> > >  constitutes a single crime.
> > >
> > >
> //
> > > ID: 8197
> 

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8196-8201

2019-07-01 Thread Aris Merchant
*OH.* Whoops. Yeah, it's good. For some reason (maybe because the
number was the same? my error in any case) I was sure that the link
was the same as in your previous email; it definitely wasn't though.
Yeah, your CoE totally worked.

-Aris

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 7:58 PM Jason Cobb  wrote:
>
> The link I pasted was (my attempt at) sending it to the public forum. Is
> replying and setting the to address to agora-business not enough?
>
> Jason Cobb
>
> On 7/1/19 10:55 PM, Aris Merchant wrote:
> > Roger on the proposal, and again, I'm sorry. It's your CoE that's NttPF.
> >
> > -Aris
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 7:52 PM Jason Cobb  wrote:
> >> It's fine. It's not urgent in light of the judgment on CFJ 3737, so it
> >> can just wait. Also, it was submitted to the public forum here [0].
> >>
> >> [0]:
> >> https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2019-July/040745.html
> >>
> >> Jason Cobb
> >>
> >> On 7/1/19 10:48 PM, Aris Merchant wrote:
> >>> NttPF.
> >>>
> >>> On the merits, accepted, with my sincere apologies. I could patch this
> >>> by submitting a revised distribution now, but then the proposal might
> >>> not reach quorum (quorum is 7 ATM, which is pretty high, and people
> >>> tend to forget to vote on special distributions). Or I could wait and
> >>> put it in the next distribution. Neither is a great option, and I'm
> >>> sorry to put you in this situation. I'll do whichever you prefer as
> >>> proposal author.
> >>>
> >>> -Aris
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 7:09 PM Jason Cobb  wrote:
>  Claim of error: I submitted the proposal "Regulated actions reform (v2)"
>  here [0].
> 
> 
>  [0]:
>  https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2019-June/040719.html
> 
> 
>  Jason Cobb
> 
>  On 7/1/19 9:55 PM, Aris Merchant wrote:
> > I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran
> > Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal
> > pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the
> > quorum is 7, the voting method is AI-majority, and the valid
> > options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are
> > conditional votes).
> >
> > IDAuthor(s)  AITitle
> > ---
> > 8196  Jason Cobb, Falsifian  1.7   Perfecting pledges (v1.2)
> > 8197  G. none  no power is all powerful
> > 8198  Jason Cobb 1.0   Be gone, foul demon!
> > 8199  Jason Cobb 3.0   Fixing instant runoff
> > 8200  Aris, G.   3.0   Sane AI Defaulting
> > 8201  Aris   3.0   Just Make Them Write It Out
> >
> >
> > The proposal pool is currently empty.
> >
> > The full text of the aforementioned proposal(s) is included below.
> >
> > //
> > ID: 8196
> > Title: Perfecting pledges (v1.2)
> > Adoption index: 1.7
> > Author: Jason Cobb
> > Co-authors: Falsifian
> >
> >
> > [Comment: This clarifies the wording to explicitly use both the time
> > window and penalty specified in the Oath. This also specifies that
> > pledges can only be violated once.]
> >
> > Amend the first paragraph of Rule 2450 ("Pledges") to read:
> >
> >  If a Player makes a clear public pledge (syn. Oath) to perform (or
> >  refrain from performing) certain actions, then breaking the pledge
> >  within the pledge's time window is the Class N crime of
> >  Oathbreaking. If the pledge specifically states that the pledge is
> >  under penalty of a Class A crime, where A is an integer not less
> >  than 1, then N is A; otherwise, N is 2. If the pledge specifically
> >  states that it operates only for a certain time window, and if that
> >  time window is prospective and not retrospective, then it operates
> >  only for that time window; otherwise, the pledge operates for 60
> >  days. It is impossible to commit the crime of Oathbreaking multiple
> >  times for a single pledge; breaking a single pledge multiple times
> >  constitutes a single crime.
> >
> > //
> > ID: 8197
> > Title: no power is all powerful
> > Adoption index: none
> > Author: G.
> > Co-authors:
> >
> >
> > Create the following Rule, "Supreme Power", Power=4:
> >
> >  G. CAN make arbitrary changes to the gamestate by announcement.
> >
> > //
> > ID: 8198
> > Title: Be gone, foul demon!
> > Adoption index: 1.0
> > Author: Jason Cobb
> > Co-authors:
> >
> >
> > Repeal Rule 2596

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8196-8201

2019-07-01 Thread Jason Cobb
The link I pasted was (my attempt at) sending it to the public forum. Is 
replying and setting the to address to agora-business not enough?


Jason Cobb

On 7/1/19 10:55 PM, Aris Merchant wrote:

Roger on the proposal, and again, I'm sorry. It's your CoE that's NttPF.

-Aris

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 7:52 PM Jason Cobb  wrote:

It's fine. It's not urgent in light of the judgment on CFJ 3737, so it
can just wait. Also, it was submitted to the public forum here [0].

[0]:
https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2019-July/040745.html

Jason Cobb

On 7/1/19 10:48 PM, Aris Merchant wrote:

NttPF.

On the merits, accepted, with my sincere apologies. I could patch this
by submitting a revised distribution now, but then the proposal might
not reach quorum (quorum is 7 ATM, which is pretty high, and people
tend to forget to vote on special distributions). Or I could wait and
put it in the next distribution. Neither is a great option, and I'm
sorry to put you in this situation. I'll do whichever you prefer as
proposal author.

-Aris

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 7:09 PM Jason Cobb  wrote:

Claim of error: I submitted the proposal "Regulated actions reform (v2)"
here [0].


[0]:
https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2019-June/040719.html


Jason Cobb

On 7/1/19 9:55 PM, Aris Merchant wrote:

I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran
Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal
pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the
quorum is 7, the voting method is AI-majority, and the valid
options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are
conditional votes).

IDAuthor(s)  AITitle
---
8196  Jason Cobb, Falsifian  1.7   Perfecting pledges (v1.2)
8197  G. none  no power is all powerful
8198  Jason Cobb 1.0   Be gone, foul demon!
8199  Jason Cobb 3.0   Fixing instant runoff
8200  Aris, G.   3.0   Sane AI Defaulting
8201  Aris   3.0   Just Make Them Write It Out


The proposal pool is currently empty.

The full text of the aforementioned proposal(s) is included below.

//
ID: 8196
Title: Perfecting pledges (v1.2)
Adoption index: 1.7
Author: Jason Cobb
Co-authors: Falsifian


[Comment: This clarifies the wording to explicitly use both the time
window and penalty specified in the Oath. This also specifies that
pledges can only be violated once.]

Amend the first paragraph of Rule 2450 ("Pledges") to read:

 If a Player makes a clear public pledge (syn. Oath) to perform (or
 refrain from performing) certain actions, then breaking the pledge
 within the pledge's time window is the Class N crime of
 Oathbreaking. If the pledge specifically states that the pledge is
 under penalty of a Class A crime, where A is an integer not less
 than 1, then N is A; otherwise, N is 2. If the pledge specifically
 states that it operates only for a certain time window, and if that
 time window is prospective and not retrospective, then it operates
 only for that time window; otherwise, the pledge operates for 60
 days. It is impossible to commit the crime of Oathbreaking multiple
 times for a single pledge; breaking a single pledge multiple times
 constitutes a single crime.

//
ID: 8197
Title: no power is all powerful
Adoption index: none
Author: G.
Co-authors:


Create the following Rule, "Supreme Power", Power=4:

 G. CAN make arbitrary changes to the gamestate by announcement.

//
ID: 8198
Title: Be gone, foul demon!
Adoption index: 1.0
Author: Jason Cobb
Co-authors:


Repeal Rule 2596 ("The Ritual").

//
ID: 8199
Title: Fixing instant runoff
Adoption index: 3.0
Author: Jason Cobb
Co-authors:


Amend item 3 of the only list of Rule 2528 ("Voting Methods") to read:

 3. For an instant runoff decision, non-empty ordered lists for which
 each element is a valid option.

//
ID: 8200
Title: Sane AI Defaulting
Adoption index: 3.0
Author: Aris
Co-authors: G.


Amend Rule 1950 (Decisions with Adoption Indices) by replacing:
 Adoption index is an untracked switch possessed by Agoran
 decisions and proposals, whose value is either "none" (default) or
 an integral multiple of 0.1 from 1.0 to 9.9.
with:
 Adoption index (AI) is an untracked switch possessed by Agoran
 decisions and proposals.  For decisions, the possible values are
 "none" (default) or integral multiples of 0.1 from 1.0 to 9.9.
 For proposals, the possible values are integral multip

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8196-8201

2019-07-01 Thread Aris Merchant
Roger on the proposal, and again, I'm sorry. It's your CoE that's NttPF.

-Aris

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 7:52 PM Jason Cobb  wrote:
>
> It's fine. It's not urgent in light of the judgment on CFJ 3737, so it
> can just wait. Also, it was submitted to the public forum here [0].
>
> [0]:
> https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2019-July/040745.html
>
> Jason Cobb
>
> On 7/1/19 10:48 PM, Aris Merchant wrote:
> > NttPF.
> >
> > On the merits, accepted, with my sincere apologies. I could patch this
> > by submitting a revised distribution now, but then the proposal might
> > not reach quorum (quorum is 7 ATM, which is pretty high, and people
> > tend to forget to vote on special distributions). Or I could wait and
> > put it in the next distribution. Neither is a great option, and I'm
> > sorry to put you in this situation. I'll do whichever you prefer as
> > proposal author.
> >
> > -Aris
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 7:09 PM Jason Cobb  wrote:
> >> Claim of error: I submitted the proposal "Regulated actions reform (v2)"
> >> here [0].
> >>
> >>
> >> [0]:
> >> https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2019-June/040719.html
> >>
> >>
> >> Jason Cobb
> >>
> >> On 7/1/19 9:55 PM, Aris Merchant wrote:
> >>> I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran
> >>> Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal
> >>> pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the
> >>> quorum is 7, the voting method is AI-majority, and the valid
> >>> options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are
> >>> conditional votes).
> >>>
> >>> IDAuthor(s)  AITitle
> >>> ---
> >>> 8196  Jason Cobb, Falsifian  1.7   Perfecting pledges (v1.2)
> >>> 8197  G. none  no power is all powerful
> >>> 8198  Jason Cobb 1.0   Be gone, foul demon!
> >>> 8199  Jason Cobb 3.0   Fixing instant runoff
> >>> 8200  Aris, G.   3.0   Sane AI Defaulting
> >>> 8201  Aris   3.0   Just Make Them Write It Out
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The proposal pool is currently empty.
> >>>
> >>> The full text of the aforementioned proposal(s) is included below.
> >>>
> >>> //
> >>> ID: 8196
> >>> Title: Perfecting pledges (v1.2)
> >>> Adoption index: 1.7
> >>> Author: Jason Cobb
> >>> Co-authors: Falsifian
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> [Comment: This clarifies the wording to explicitly use both the time
> >>> window and penalty specified in the Oath. This also specifies that
> >>> pledges can only be violated once.]
> >>>
> >>> Amend the first paragraph of Rule 2450 ("Pledges") to read:
> >>>
> >>> If a Player makes a clear public pledge (syn. Oath) to perform (or
> >>> refrain from performing) certain actions, then breaking the pledge
> >>> within the pledge's time window is the Class N crime of
> >>> Oathbreaking. If the pledge specifically states that the pledge is
> >>> under penalty of a Class A crime, where A is an integer not less
> >>> than 1, then N is A; otherwise, N is 2. If the pledge specifically
> >>> states that it operates only for a certain time window, and if that
> >>> time window is prospective and not retrospective, then it operates
> >>> only for that time window; otherwise, the pledge operates for 60
> >>> days. It is impossible to commit the crime of Oathbreaking multiple
> >>> times for a single pledge; breaking a single pledge multiple times
> >>> constitutes a single crime.
> >>>
> >>> //
> >>> ID: 8197
> >>> Title: no power is all powerful
> >>> Adoption index: none
> >>> Author: G.
> >>> Co-authors:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Create the following Rule, "Supreme Power", Power=4:
> >>>
> >>> G. CAN make arbitrary changes to the gamestate by announcement.
> >>>
> >>> //
> >>> ID: 8198
> >>> Title: Be gone, foul demon!
> >>> Adoption index: 1.0
> >>> Author: Jason Cobb
> >>> Co-authors:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Repeal Rule 2596 ("The Ritual").
> >>>
> >>> //
> >>> ID: 8199
> >>> Title: Fixing instant runoff
> >>> Adoption index: 3.0
> >>> Author: Jason Cobb
> >>> Co-authors:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Amend item 3 of the only list of Rule 2528 ("Voting Methods") to read:
> >>>
> >>> 3. For an instant runoff decision, non-empty ordered lists for which
> >>> each element is a valid option.
> >>>
> >>> //
> >>> ID: 8200
> >>> Title: Sane AI Defaulting
> >>> Adoption index: 3.0
> >>> Author: Aris
> >>> Co-authors: G.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Amend Rule 1950 (Decisions with Adoption Indices) by replacing:
> >>> Adoption index i

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8196-8201

2019-07-01 Thread Jason Cobb
It's fine. It's not urgent in light of the judgment on CFJ 3737, so it 
can just wait. Also, it was submitted to the public forum here [0].


[0]: 
https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2019-July/040745.html


Jason Cobb

On 7/1/19 10:48 PM, Aris Merchant wrote:

NttPF.

On the merits, accepted, with my sincere apologies. I could patch this
by submitting a revised distribution now, but then the proposal might
not reach quorum (quorum is 7 ATM, which is pretty high, and people
tend to forget to vote on special distributions). Or I could wait and
put it in the next distribution. Neither is a great option, and I'm
sorry to put you in this situation. I'll do whichever you prefer as
proposal author.

-Aris

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 7:09 PM Jason Cobb  wrote:

Claim of error: I submitted the proposal "Regulated actions reform (v2)"
here [0].


[0]:
https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2019-June/040719.html


Jason Cobb

On 7/1/19 9:55 PM, Aris Merchant wrote:

I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran
Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal
pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the
quorum is 7, the voting method is AI-majority, and the valid
options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are
conditional votes).

IDAuthor(s)  AITitle
---
8196  Jason Cobb, Falsifian  1.7   Perfecting pledges (v1.2)
8197  G. none  no power is all powerful
8198  Jason Cobb 1.0   Be gone, foul demon!
8199  Jason Cobb 3.0   Fixing instant runoff
8200  Aris, G.   3.0   Sane AI Defaulting
8201  Aris   3.0   Just Make Them Write It Out


The proposal pool is currently empty.

The full text of the aforementioned proposal(s) is included below.

//
ID: 8196
Title: Perfecting pledges (v1.2)
Adoption index: 1.7
Author: Jason Cobb
Co-authors: Falsifian


[Comment: This clarifies the wording to explicitly use both the time
window and penalty specified in the Oath. This also specifies that
pledges can only be violated once.]

Amend the first paragraph of Rule 2450 ("Pledges") to read:

If a Player makes a clear public pledge (syn. Oath) to perform (or
refrain from performing) certain actions, then breaking the pledge
within the pledge's time window is the Class N crime of
Oathbreaking. If the pledge specifically states that the pledge is
under penalty of a Class A crime, where A is an integer not less
than 1, then N is A; otherwise, N is 2. If the pledge specifically
states that it operates only for a certain time window, and if that
time window is prospective and not retrospective, then it operates
only for that time window; otherwise, the pledge operates for 60
days. It is impossible to commit the crime of Oathbreaking multiple
times for a single pledge; breaking a single pledge multiple times
constitutes a single crime.

//
ID: 8197
Title: no power is all powerful
Adoption index: none
Author: G.
Co-authors:


Create the following Rule, "Supreme Power", Power=4:

G. CAN make arbitrary changes to the gamestate by announcement.

//
ID: 8198
Title: Be gone, foul demon!
Adoption index: 1.0
Author: Jason Cobb
Co-authors:


Repeal Rule 2596 ("The Ritual").

//
ID: 8199
Title: Fixing instant runoff
Adoption index: 3.0
Author: Jason Cobb
Co-authors:


Amend item 3 of the only list of Rule 2528 ("Voting Methods") to read:

3. For an instant runoff decision, non-empty ordered lists for which
each element is a valid option.

//
ID: 8200
Title: Sane AI Defaulting
Adoption index: 3.0
Author: Aris
Co-authors: G.


Amend Rule 1950 (Decisions with Adoption Indices) by replacing:
Adoption index is an untracked switch possessed by Agoran
decisions and proposals, whose value is either "none" (default) or
an integral multiple of 0.1 from 1.0 to 9.9.
with:
Adoption index (AI) is an untracked switch possessed by Agoran
decisions and proposals.  For decisions, the possible values are
"none" (default) or integral multiples of 0.1 from 1.0 to 9.9.
For proposals, the possible values are integral multiples of 0.1
from 1.0 to 9.9 (default 1.0).

//
ID: 8201
Title: Just Make Them Write It Out
Adoption index: 3.0
Author: Aris
Co-authors:


[It's terribly confusing for everyone to leave out a proposal title. Leaving
out AI only works if it's 1.0 anyway, and confuses me every 

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8196-8201

2019-07-01 Thread Aris Merchant
NttPF.

On the merits, accepted, with my sincere apologies. I could patch this
by submitting a revised distribution now, but then the proposal might
not reach quorum (quorum is 7 ATM, which is pretty high, and people
tend to forget to vote on special distributions). Or I could wait and
put it in the next distribution. Neither is a great option, and I'm
sorry to put you in this situation. I'll do whichever you prefer as
proposal author.

-Aris

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 7:09 PM Jason Cobb  wrote:
>
> Claim of error: I submitted the proposal "Regulated actions reform (v2)"
> here [0].
>
>
> [0]:
> https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2019-June/040719.html
>
>
> Jason Cobb
>
> On 7/1/19 9:55 PM, Aris Merchant wrote:
> > I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran
> > Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal
> > pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the
> > quorum is 7, the voting method is AI-majority, and the valid
> > options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are
> > conditional votes).
> >
> > IDAuthor(s)  AITitle
> > ---
> > 8196  Jason Cobb, Falsifian  1.7   Perfecting pledges (v1.2)
> > 8197  G. none  no power is all powerful
> > 8198  Jason Cobb 1.0   Be gone, foul demon!
> > 8199  Jason Cobb 3.0   Fixing instant runoff
> > 8200  Aris, G.   3.0   Sane AI Defaulting
> > 8201  Aris   3.0   Just Make Them Write It Out
> >
> >
> > The proposal pool is currently empty.
> >
> > The full text of the aforementioned proposal(s) is included below.
> >
> > //
> > ID: 8196
> > Title: Perfecting pledges (v1.2)
> > Adoption index: 1.7
> > Author: Jason Cobb
> > Co-authors: Falsifian
> >
> >
> > [Comment: This clarifies the wording to explicitly use both the time
> > window and penalty specified in the Oath. This also specifies that
> > pledges can only be violated once.]
> >
> > Amend the first paragraph of Rule 2450 ("Pledges") to read:
> >
> >If a Player makes a clear public pledge (syn. Oath) to perform (or
> >refrain from performing) certain actions, then breaking the pledge
> >within the pledge's time window is the Class N crime of
> >Oathbreaking. If the pledge specifically states that the pledge is
> >under penalty of a Class A crime, where A is an integer not less
> >than 1, then N is A; otherwise, N is 2. If the pledge specifically
> >states that it operates only for a certain time window, and if that
> >time window is prospective and not retrospective, then it operates
> >only for that time window; otherwise, the pledge operates for 60
> >days. It is impossible to commit the crime of Oathbreaking multiple
> >times for a single pledge; breaking a single pledge multiple times
> >constitutes a single crime.
> >
> > //
> > ID: 8197
> > Title: no power is all powerful
> > Adoption index: none
> > Author: G.
> > Co-authors:
> >
> >
> > Create the following Rule, "Supreme Power", Power=4:
> >
> >G. CAN make arbitrary changes to the gamestate by announcement.
> >
> > //
> > ID: 8198
> > Title: Be gone, foul demon!
> > Adoption index: 1.0
> > Author: Jason Cobb
> > Co-authors:
> >
> >
> > Repeal Rule 2596 ("The Ritual").
> >
> > //
> > ID: 8199
> > Title: Fixing instant runoff
> > Adoption index: 3.0
> > Author: Jason Cobb
> > Co-authors:
> >
> >
> > Amend item 3 of the only list of Rule 2528 ("Voting Methods") to read:
> >
> >3. For an instant runoff decision, non-empty ordered lists for which
> >each element is a valid option.
> >
> > //
> > ID: 8200
> > Title: Sane AI Defaulting
> > Adoption index: 3.0
> > Author: Aris
> > Co-authors: G.
> >
> >
> > Amend Rule 1950 (Decisions with Adoption Indices) by replacing:
> >Adoption index is an untracked switch possessed by Agoran
> >decisions and proposals, whose value is either "none" (default) or
> >an integral multiple of 0.1 from 1.0 to 9.9.
> > with:
> >Adoption index (AI) is an untracked switch possessed by Agoran
> >decisions and proposals.  For decisions, the possible values are
> >"none" (default) or integral multiples of 0.1 from 1.0 to 9.9.
> >For proposals, the possible values are integral multiples of 0.1
> >from 1.0 to 9.9 (default 1.0).
> >
> > //
> > ID: 8201
> > Title: Just Make Them Write It Out
> > Adoption index: 3.0
> > Author: Aris
> > Co-authors:
> >
> >
> > [It's terribly confus

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8196-8201

2019-07-01 Thread Rebecca
No, I just didn't state my regret specifically on that one haha, it seems
fine.

And having my zombie vote FOR proposals that i swore to oppose and destroy
is counter to my intent, if not the pledge's wording.

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 12:07 PM Jason Cobb  wrote:

> Are you strongly against 8196 (I know that it adds text)? Is there
> something materially wrong with it that I should fix later?
>
> Also, you could make Tarhalindur vote FOR the ones that you can't due to
> your pledge (I think, depending on the wording of the pledge).
>
> Jason Cobb
>
> On 7/1/19 10:04 PM, Rebecca wrote:
> > TTttPF again oops
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 12:03 PM Rebecca 
> wrote:
> >
> >> ttpf
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 12:03 PM Rebecca 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Reminder that I am still pledged to vote AGAINST anything that adds
> words
> >>> to the rules
> >>>
> >>> I vote as follows. I also act on Tarhalindur's behalf to vote as
> follows.
> >>>
> >>> 8196  Jason Cobb, Falsifian  1.7   Perfecting pledges (v1.2)
> >>> AGAINST
> >>> 8197  G. none  no power is all powerful
> >>> AGAINST
> >>> 8198  Jason Cobb 1.0   Be gone, foul demon!
> >>> AGAINST, the ritual is fun.
> >>> 8199  Jason Cobb 3.0   Fixing instant runoff
> >>> With regret, AGAINST due to my pledge
> >>> 8200  Aris, G.   3.0   Sane AI Defaulting
> >>> With regret, AGAINST due to my pledge
> >>> 8201  Aris   3.0   Just Make Them Write It Out
> >>> FOR
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 11:56 AM Aris Merchant <
> >>> thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran
>  Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal
>  pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the
>  quorum is 7, the voting method is AI-majority, and the valid
>  options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are
>  conditional votes).
> 
>  IDAuthor(s)  AITitle
> 
> >>>
> ---
>  8196  Jason Cobb, Falsifian  1.7   Perfecting pledges (v1.2)
>  8197  G. none  no power is all powerful
>  8198  Jason Cobb 1.0   Be gone, foul demon!
>  8199  Jason Cobb 3.0   Fixing instant runoff
>  8200  Aris, G.   3.0   Sane AI Defaulting
>  8201  Aris   3.0   Just Make Them Write It Out
> 
> 
>  The proposal pool is currently empty.
> 
>  The full text of the aforementioned proposal(s) is included below.
> 
>  //
>  ID: 8196
>  Title: Perfecting pledges (v1.2)
>  Adoption index: 1.7
>  Author: Jason Cobb
>  Co-authors: Falsifian
> 
> 
>  [Comment: This clarifies the wording to explicitly use both the time
>  window and penalty specified in the Oath. This also specifies that
>  pledges can only be violated once.]
> 
>  Amend the first paragraph of Rule 2450 ("Pledges") to read:
> 
> If a Player makes a clear public pledge (syn. Oath) to perform (or
> refrain from performing) certain actions, then breaking the pledge
> within the pledge's time window is the Class N crime of
> Oathbreaking. If the pledge specifically states that the pledge is
> under penalty of a Class A crime, where A is an integer not less
> than 1, then N is A; otherwise, N is 2. If the pledge specifically
> states that it operates only for a certain time window, and if that
> time window is prospective and not retrospective, then it operates
> only for that time window; otherwise, the pledge operates for 60
> days. It is impossible to commit the crime of Oathbreaking multiple
> times for a single pledge; breaking a single pledge multiple times
> constitutes a single crime.
> 
>  //
>  ID: 8197
>  Title: no power is all powerful
>  Adoption index: none
>  Author: G.
>  Co-authors:
> 
> 
>  Create the following Rule, "Supreme Power", Power=4:
> 
> G. CAN make arbitrary changes to the gamestate by announcement.
> 
>  //
>  ID: 8198
>  Title: Be gone, foul demon!
>  Adoption index: 1.0
>  Author: Jason Cobb
>  Co-authors:
> 
> 
>  Repeal Rule 2596 ("The Ritual").
> 
>  //
>  ID: 8199
>  Title: Fixing instant runoff
>  Adoption index: 3.0
>  Author: Jason Cobb
>  Co-authors:
> 
> 
>  Amend item 3 of the only list of Rule 2528 ("Voting Methods") to read:
>

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8196-8201

2019-07-01 Thread Jason Cobb
Claim of error: I submitted the proposal "Regulated actions reform (v2)" 
here [0].



[0]: 
https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2019-June/040719.html



Jason Cobb

On 7/1/19 9:55 PM, Aris Merchant wrote:

I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran
Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal
pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the
quorum is 7, the voting method is AI-majority, and the valid
options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are
conditional votes).

IDAuthor(s)  AITitle
---
8196  Jason Cobb, Falsifian  1.7   Perfecting pledges (v1.2)
8197  G. none  no power is all powerful
8198  Jason Cobb 1.0   Be gone, foul demon!
8199  Jason Cobb 3.0   Fixing instant runoff
8200  Aris, G.   3.0   Sane AI Defaulting
8201  Aris   3.0   Just Make Them Write It Out


The proposal pool is currently empty.

The full text of the aforementioned proposal(s) is included below.

//
ID: 8196
Title: Perfecting pledges (v1.2)
Adoption index: 1.7
Author: Jason Cobb
Co-authors: Falsifian


[Comment: This clarifies the wording to explicitly use both the time
window and penalty specified in the Oath. This also specifies that
pledges can only be violated once.]

Amend the first paragraph of Rule 2450 ("Pledges") to read:

   If a Player makes a clear public pledge (syn. Oath) to perform (or
   refrain from performing) certain actions, then breaking the pledge
   within the pledge's time window is the Class N crime of
   Oathbreaking. If the pledge specifically states that the pledge is
   under penalty of a Class A crime, where A is an integer not less
   than 1, then N is A; otherwise, N is 2. If the pledge specifically
   states that it operates only for a certain time window, and if that
   time window is prospective and not retrospective, then it operates
   only for that time window; otherwise, the pledge operates for 60
   days. It is impossible to commit the crime of Oathbreaking multiple
   times for a single pledge; breaking a single pledge multiple times
   constitutes a single crime.

//
ID: 8197
Title: no power is all powerful
Adoption index: none
Author: G.
Co-authors:


Create the following Rule, "Supreme Power", Power=4:

   G. CAN make arbitrary changes to the gamestate by announcement.

//
ID: 8198
Title: Be gone, foul demon!
Adoption index: 1.0
Author: Jason Cobb
Co-authors:


Repeal Rule 2596 ("The Ritual").

//
ID: 8199
Title: Fixing instant runoff
Adoption index: 3.0
Author: Jason Cobb
Co-authors:


Amend item 3 of the only list of Rule 2528 ("Voting Methods") to read:

   3. For an instant runoff decision, non-empty ordered lists for which
   each element is a valid option.

//
ID: 8200
Title: Sane AI Defaulting
Adoption index: 3.0
Author: Aris
Co-authors: G.


Amend Rule 1950 (Decisions with Adoption Indices) by replacing:
   Adoption index is an untracked switch possessed by Agoran
   decisions and proposals, whose value is either "none" (default) or
   an integral multiple of 0.1 from 1.0 to 9.9.
with:
   Adoption index (AI) is an untracked switch possessed by Agoran
   decisions and proposals.  For decisions, the possible values are
   "none" (default) or integral multiples of 0.1 from 1.0 to 9.9.
   For proposals, the possible values are integral multiples of 0.1
   from 1.0 to 9.9 (default 1.0).

//
ID: 8201
Title: Just Make Them Write It Out
Adoption index: 3.0
Author: Aris
Co-authors:


[It's terribly confusing for everyone to leave out a proposal title. Leaving
out AI only works if it's 1.0 anyway, and confuses me every time I see it.
I usually spend like a solid minute checking that I haven't missed something
as Promotor and that the proposal is effective at that power as a player.
Just making these fields mandatory would save everyone so much trouble and
be only marginally more work for authors.]

Amend Rule 2350, "Proposals", by changing the first paragraph, including
the following list, to read in full:

   A proposal is an entity consisting of a body of text and
   other attributes. A player CAN create a proposal by announcement,
   specifying its text, an associated title, and a valid adoption index, and
   optionally specifying a list of co-authors (who must be persons other
   than the author).

//


Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8196-8201

2019-07-01 Thread Jason Cobb
Are you strongly against 8196 (I know that it adds text)? Is there 
something materially wrong with it that I should fix later?


Also, you could make Tarhalindur vote FOR the ones that you can't due to 
your pledge (I think, depending on the wording of the pledge).


Jason Cobb

On 7/1/19 10:04 PM, Rebecca wrote:

TTttPF again oops

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 12:03 PM Rebecca  wrote:


ttpf

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 12:03 PM Rebecca  wrote:


Reminder that I am still pledged to vote AGAINST anything that adds words
to the rules

I vote as follows. I also act on Tarhalindur's behalf to vote as follows.

8196  Jason Cobb, Falsifian  1.7   Perfecting pledges (v1.2)
AGAINST
8197  G. none  no power is all powerful
AGAINST
8198  Jason Cobb 1.0   Be gone, foul demon!
AGAINST, the ritual is fun.
8199  Jason Cobb 3.0   Fixing instant runoff
With regret, AGAINST due to my pledge
8200  Aris, G.   3.0   Sane AI Defaulting
With regret, AGAINST due to my pledge
8201  Aris   3.0   Just Make Them Write It Out
FOR


On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 11:56 AM Aris Merchant <
thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:


I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran
Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal
pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the
quorum is 7, the voting method is AI-majority, and the valid
options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are
conditional votes).

IDAuthor(s)  AITitle


---

8196  Jason Cobb, Falsifian  1.7   Perfecting pledges (v1.2)
8197  G. none  no power is all powerful
8198  Jason Cobb 1.0   Be gone, foul demon!
8199  Jason Cobb 3.0   Fixing instant runoff
8200  Aris, G.   3.0   Sane AI Defaulting
8201  Aris   3.0   Just Make Them Write It Out


The proposal pool is currently empty.

The full text of the aforementioned proposal(s) is included below.

//
ID: 8196
Title: Perfecting pledges (v1.2)
Adoption index: 1.7
Author: Jason Cobb
Co-authors: Falsifian


[Comment: This clarifies the wording to explicitly use both the time
window and penalty specified in the Oath. This also specifies that
pledges can only be violated once.]

Amend the first paragraph of Rule 2450 ("Pledges") to read:

   If a Player makes a clear public pledge (syn. Oath) to perform (or
   refrain from performing) certain actions, then breaking the pledge
   within the pledge's time window is the Class N crime of
   Oathbreaking. If the pledge specifically states that the pledge is
   under penalty of a Class A crime, where A is an integer not less
   than 1, then N is A; otherwise, N is 2. If the pledge specifically
   states that it operates only for a certain time window, and if that
   time window is prospective and not retrospective, then it operates
   only for that time window; otherwise, the pledge operates for 60
   days. It is impossible to commit the crime of Oathbreaking multiple
   times for a single pledge; breaking a single pledge multiple times
   constitutes a single crime.

//
ID: 8197
Title: no power is all powerful
Adoption index: none
Author: G.
Co-authors:


Create the following Rule, "Supreme Power", Power=4:

   G. CAN make arbitrary changes to the gamestate by announcement.

//
ID: 8198
Title: Be gone, foul demon!
Adoption index: 1.0
Author: Jason Cobb
Co-authors:


Repeal Rule 2596 ("The Ritual").

//
ID: 8199
Title: Fixing instant runoff
Adoption index: 3.0
Author: Jason Cobb
Co-authors:


Amend item 3 of the only list of Rule 2528 ("Voting Methods") to read:

   3. For an instant runoff decision, non-empty ordered lists for which
   each element is a valid option.

//
ID: 8200
Title: Sane AI Defaulting
Adoption index: 3.0
Author: Aris
Co-authors: G.


Amend Rule 1950 (Decisions with Adoption Indices) by replacing:
   Adoption index is an untracked switch possessed by Agoran
   decisions and proposals, whose value is either "none" (default) or
   an integral multiple of 0.1 from 1.0 to 9.9.
with:
   Adoption index (AI) is an untracked switch possessed by Agoran
   decisions and proposals.  For decisions, the possible values are
   "none" (default) or integral multiples of 0.1 from 1.0 to 9.9.
   For proposals, the possible values are integral multiples of 0.1
   from 1.0 to 9.9 (default 1.0).

//
ID: 8201
Title: Just Make Them Write It Out
Adoption index: 3.0
Author: Aris
Co-authors:

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8196-8201

2019-07-01 Thread Rebecca
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On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 12:03 PM Rebecca  wrote:

> Reminder that I am still pledged to vote AGAINST anything that adds words
> to the rules
>
> I vote as follows. I also act on Tarhalindur's behalf to vote as follows.
>
> 8196  Jason Cobb, Falsifian  1.7   Perfecting pledges (v1.2)
> AGAINST
> 8197  G. none  no power is all powerful
> AGAINST
> 8198  Jason Cobb 1.0   Be gone, foul demon!
> AGAINST, the ritual is fun.
> 8199  Jason Cobb 3.0   Fixing instant runoff
> With regret, AGAINST due to my pledge
> 8200  Aris, G.   3.0   Sane AI Defaulting
> With regret, AGAINST due to my pledge
> 8201  Aris   3.0   Just Make Them Write It Out
> FOR
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 11:56 AM Aris Merchant <
> thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran
> > Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal
> > pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the
> > quorum is 7, the voting method is AI-majority, and the valid
> > options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are
> > conditional votes).
> >
> > IDAuthor(s)  AITitle
> >
> ---
> > 8196  Jason Cobb, Falsifian  1.7   Perfecting pledges (v1.2)
> > 8197  G. none  no power is all powerful
> > 8198  Jason Cobb 1.0   Be gone, foul demon!
> > 8199  Jason Cobb 3.0   Fixing instant runoff
> > 8200  Aris, G.   3.0   Sane AI Defaulting
> > 8201  Aris   3.0   Just Make Them Write It Out
> >
> >
> > The proposal pool is currently empty.
> >
> > The full text of the aforementioned proposal(s) is included below.
> >
> > //
> > ID: 8196
> > Title: Perfecting pledges (v1.2)
> > Adoption index: 1.7
> > Author: Jason Cobb
> > Co-authors: Falsifian
> >
> >
> > [Comment: This clarifies the wording to explicitly use both the time
> > window and penalty specified in the Oath. This also specifies that
> > pledges can only be violated once.]
> >
> > Amend the first paragraph of Rule 2450 ("Pledges") to read:
> >
> >   If a Player makes a clear public pledge (syn. Oath) to perform (or
> >   refrain from performing) certain actions, then breaking the pledge
> >   within the pledge's time window is the Class N crime of
> >   Oathbreaking. If the pledge specifically states that the pledge is
> >   under penalty of a Class A crime, where A is an integer not less
> >   than 1, then N is A; otherwise, N is 2. If the pledge specifically
> >   states that it operates only for a certain time window, and if that
> >   time window is prospective and not retrospective, then it operates
> >   only for that time window; otherwise, the pledge operates for 60
> >   days. It is impossible to commit the crime of Oathbreaking multiple
> >   times for a single pledge; breaking a single pledge multiple times
> >   constitutes a single crime.
> >
> > //
> > ID: 8197
> > Title: no power is all powerful
> > Adoption index: none
> > Author: G.
> > Co-authors:
> >
> >
> > Create the following Rule, "Supreme Power", Power=4:
> >
> >   G. CAN make arbitrary changes to the gamestate by announcement.
> >
> > //
> > ID: 8198
> > Title: Be gone, foul demon!
> > Adoption index: 1.0
> > Author: Jason Cobb
> > Co-authors:
> >
> >
> > Repeal Rule 2596 ("The Ritual").
> >
> > //
> > ID: 8199
> > Title: Fixing instant runoff
> > Adoption index: 3.0
> > Author: Jason Cobb
> > Co-authors:
> >
> >
> > Amend item 3 of the only list of Rule 2528 ("Voting Methods") to read:
> >
> >   3. For an instant runoff decision, non-empty ordered lists for which
> >   each element is a valid option.
> >
> > //
> > ID: 8200
> > Title: Sane AI Defaulting
> > Adoption index: 3.0
> > Author: Aris
> > Co-authors: G.
> >
> >
> > Amend Rule 1950 (Decisions with Adoption Indices) by replacing:
> >   Adoption index is an untracked switch possessed by Agoran
> >   decisions and proposals, whose value is either "none" (default) or
> >   an integral multiple of 0.1 from 1.0 to 9.9.
> > with:
> >   Adoption index (AI) is an untracked switch possessed by Agoran
> >   decisions and proposals.  For decisions, the possible values are
> >   "none" (default) or integral multiples of 0.1 from 1.0 to 9.9.
> >   For proposals, the possible values are integral multiples of 0.1
> >   from 1.0 to 9.9 (default 1.0).
> >
> > //
> > ID: 8201
> > Title: Just Make Them Write It Out
> > Adoption index: 3.

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8196-8201

2019-07-01 Thread Rebecca
Reminder that I am still pledged to vote AGAINST anything that adds words
to the rules

I vote as follows. I also act on Tarhalindur's behalf to vote as follows.

8196  Jason Cobb, Falsifian  1.7   Perfecting pledges (v1.2)
AGAINST
8197  G. none  no power is all powerful
AGAINST
8198  Jason Cobb 1.0   Be gone, foul demon!
AGAINST, the ritual is fun.
8199  Jason Cobb 3.0   Fixing instant runoff
With regret, AGAINST due to my pledge
8200  Aris, G.   3.0   Sane AI Defaulting
With regret, AGAINST due to my pledge
8201  Aris   3.0   Just Make Them Write It Out
FOR


On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 11:56 AM Aris Merchant <
thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran
> Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal
> pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the
> quorum is 7, the voting method is AI-majority, and the valid
> options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are
> conditional votes).
>
> IDAuthor(s)  AITitle
> ---
> 8196  Jason Cobb, Falsifian  1.7   Perfecting pledges (v1.2)
> 8197  G. none  no power is all powerful
> 8198  Jason Cobb 1.0   Be gone, foul demon!
> 8199  Jason Cobb 3.0   Fixing instant runoff
> 8200  Aris, G.   3.0   Sane AI Defaulting
> 8201  Aris   3.0   Just Make Them Write It Out
>
>
> The proposal pool is currently empty.
>
> The full text of the aforementioned proposal(s) is included below.
>
> //
> ID: 8196
> Title: Perfecting pledges (v1.2)
> Adoption index: 1.7
> Author: Jason Cobb
> Co-authors: Falsifian
>
>
> [Comment: This clarifies the wording to explicitly use both the time
> window and penalty specified in the Oath. This also specifies that
> pledges can only be violated once.]
>
> Amend the first paragraph of Rule 2450 ("Pledges") to read:
>
>   If a Player makes a clear public pledge (syn. Oath) to perform (or
>   refrain from performing) certain actions, then breaking the pledge
>   within the pledge's time window is the Class N crime of
>   Oathbreaking. If the pledge specifically states that the pledge is
>   under penalty of a Class A crime, where A is an integer not less
>   than 1, then N is A; otherwise, N is 2. If the pledge specifically
>   states that it operates only for a certain time window, and if that
>   time window is prospective and not retrospective, then it operates
>   only for that time window; otherwise, the pledge operates for 60
>   days. It is impossible to commit the crime of Oathbreaking multiple
>   times for a single pledge; breaking a single pledge multiple times
>   constitutes a single crime.
>
> //
> ID: 8197
> Title: no power is all powerful
> Adoption index: none
> Author: G.
> Co-authors:
>
>
> Create the following Rule, "Supreme Power", Power=4:
>
>   G. CAN make arbitrary changes to the gamestate by announcement.
>
> //
> ID: 8198
> Title: Be gone, foul demon!
> Adoption index: 1.0
> Author: Jason Cobb
> Co-authors:
>
>
> Repeal Rule 2596 ("The Ritual").
>
> //
> ID: 8199
> Title: Fixing instant runoff
> Adoption index: 3.0
> Author: Jason Cobb
> Co-authors:
>
>
> Amend item 3 of the only list of Rule 2528 ("Voting Methods") to read:
>
>   3. For an instant runoff decision, non-empty ordered lists for which
>   each element is a valid option.
>
> //
> ID: 8200
> Title: Sane AI Defaulting
> Adoption index: 3.0
> Author: Aris
> Co-authors: G.
>
>
> Amend Rule 1950 (Decisions with Adoption Indices) by replacing:
>   Adoption index is an untracked switch possessed by Agoran
>   decisions and proposals, whose value is either "none" (default) or
>   an integral multiple of 0.1 from 1.0 to 9.9.
> with:
>   Adoption index (AI) is an untracked switch possessed by Agoran
>   decisions and proposals.  For decisions, the possible values are
>   "none" (default) or integral multiples of 0.1 from 1.0 to 9.9.
>   For proposals, the possible values are integral multiples of 0.1
>   from 1.0 to 9.9 (default 1.0).
>
> //
> ID: 8201
> Title: Just Make Them Write It Out
> Adoption index: 3.0
> Author: Aris
> Co-authors:
>
>
> [It's terribly confusing for everyone to leave out a proposal title.
> Leaving
> out AI only works if it's 1.0 anyway, and confuses me every time I see it.
> I usually spend like a solid minute checking that I haven't missed
> something
> as Promotor and that the proposal is effective a