RE: [AMRadio] AM Radio for the beginner...
Dino, > As a start, I signed up here to learn about the sport but > have found the > conversations lacking in the "beginner topics". I have > specific questions... Its been slow lately. > > What radios are recommended? My limited experience tells me > that current > production models really lack any AM prowess. I have heard that the > FT-100D can be tweaked...but I like TUBES! 500 watts of > CLEAN AM power > would float my boat! Anything you can find. Mostly the rigs are going for premium prices these days. You can still find things at ham fests sometimes, but its best to network for rigs. There is always someone who needs to get rid of something to make room for the next project or just space to move around. Although you would never guess it from looking at ebay or other commercial places, there are a lot of AM operators who sell things for reasonable prices to other people who are interested in using the stuff and not making money or collecting it. > > What antennas are recommended? Wire? Loaded verticals? Resonant dipole, no tuner, coax fed. On a tube rig, a little swr is not important. I have an 80 and a 40 meter dipole resonant at the usual AM part of the bands. No tuning, no power limits, less trouble. If you want to scoot around, and open wire feed line setup works best but can be complex to deal with. > > Is the Globe King really THAT expensive?! Is it worth it? They go for various prices. They can run a fair amount of power out, so that is why they are sought after. They also come apart in decks for ease of service and moving. I like the GK 400 best. > > Is there a publication dedicated to AM radio? Electric radio is very good... > > While the fraternity could certainly use more members, I > don't know if you > should pick me. My goal is to BUILD an AM transmitter of > about 350 to 500 > watts with a tube modulation circuit and final. That's later > though! In > the mean time, what can I get or what do you recommend for a novice? Building is a lot of fun. Operating a good sounding home brew rig is lots of fun also. You can make it any way you like, like a commercial piece of equipment, or a rough looking thing that barely works... A nice pair of 811a tubes modulated by a pair of 811a,s will do 300 watts, 1000 or more watts pep. Good parts are hard to come by without networking and going to a lot of fests. It may take quite some time to gather all the parts needed for a nice homebrew rig, but it can be done. I even managed to build a nice tube receiver for 160, 80 and 40 meters. It took years of casual parts collecting though... Brett N2DTS > > Thanks for your time...you are a class group! > > Dino...K6RIX > > ___ > AMRadio mailing list > AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio
[AMRadio] are there any out there ?
Well I have about given up on finding a WRL Globe Champion 350A. that is not in junk shape. so one last time anyone got one for sale or trade ? I am going to let go of a few of my backup rigs. Kenwood ts-850sat's , ts-870s, and maybe one of the ts-950dx's. want to finish out my BA stations before i am too old to use them hi.. and need the room. will consider trades of ba stations for the above. all gear working and loaded with filters. interested in Globe champion or king series,collins 32v series, b&w 5100 or 6100 series Johnson kw matchbox and a ranger just interested in transmitters as i have all the receivers i need except a rme 4550A series. 73 Tony WA4JQS since 1962 Anthony W. DePrato WA4JQS South Sandwich Island Antarctic Dxpedition Group VP8BZL VP8SSI 3Y0PI V31SS ZD8JQS WA4JQS/4K1 WA4JQS/K4C WA4JQS/ZS1 CQ DX HALL OF FAME # 35
[AMRadio] Fw: Minute 64 adopted at the most recent ARRL Board of Directors meeting on ...
Hello Dale, Will I am not one to shy away from standing up for AM, but read the response from our ARRL Pres. ; Have they just not been specific enough on Minute 64 or is there something afoot Watson ? Tom - K0PJG - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 1:08 PM Subject: Re: Minute 64 adopted at the most recent ARRL Board of Directors meeting on ... "The ARRL is petitioning the FCC to regulate subbands by bandwidth. 1. First off, we do not have a petition. 2. You can't work phone in the subbands now. 3. What we are interested in is two new modes of digital. Clover 2000 and Pactor 3. 4. Under the present rules, 300 baud RTTY is the signal width standard. Clover 2000 and Pactor 3 are a bit wider. It is felt that by being able to accommodate these two new technologies, amateur radio would be in compliance with its charge under part 97 to "promote and enhance the art" 5. Presently our technical team is looking at what frame work is needed to accomplish the new modes. I hope this helps and if you would pass it on so as to quell the fears of the AM'ers. 73 Jim Haynie, W5JBP President, ARRL --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html The reason this message is shown is because the post was in HTML or had an attachment. Attachments are not allowed. Please post in Plain-Text only.---
[AMRadio] The Reasoning Behind a Bandwidth Subband Petition
Brian, I talked to ARRL NE Division Director Tom Frenaye, K1KI about the July ARRL Board of Directors Minute 64. Tom explained that with the advance of technology there are wide band digital signals that can legally operate in today's CW subbands. These CW subbands, that were originally intended for narrow bandwidth by defining them to be CW and data, are no longer exclusively narrow band because of wide band digital modes. To keep the wideband digital signals from utilizing the whole band a better definition of wide vs narrow is required. Tom used a simplified 20 meter subband example to illustrate, "Maybe 14.150 mHz should be the subband divider and any emission less than a specific bandwidth would be allowed below and emissions wider than that allowed above. " The discussion leading up to ARRL BOD Minute 64 was exclusively focused on protecting the narrow modes, CW, PK31, TTY from the wideband digital and voice modes. No limiting of wideband mode bandwidth was discussed. At this point there is no straw proposal or work group, just the decision to eventually develop a proposal, leading to a petition to the FCC. Since there are elements in the amateur service, and maybe in the ARRL and FCC as well that would like to limit AM we can expect the ARRL and FCC to receive their recommendations during this petition development process. I think we need to stay vigilant, monitor and influence development of the subband petition deficient, and then mount a tremendous AM community comment effort during some future NPRM process. Dale KW1I -Original Message- From: Brian Carling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Date: Thursday, August 15, 2002 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] A rumor about limiting bandwidth I'd really like to know what the hell their reasoning is behind proposing this! Whether there is an infringement on AM activity or not, it just seems like they are after the same old saw of fixing things that aren't broken. What EVER is the matter with these people? AM I just missing something here? Or is there some secret sensible purpose for this idea? On 14 Aug 2002 at 16:01, WILHITE, JIM wrote: > Recently on another reflector I read a rumor about the ARRL proposing > a maximum bandwidth limitation on subbands of 3.5 Kcy. I sent the > following message to the Executive Director of the ARRL and here is > his answer. I post for you consumption. Is it time to get involved > with the directors? > > 73 Jim > de W5JPW > > > > > -Original Message- > From: WILHITE, JIM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 1:34 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Rumors > > > Hi Dave: > > Another rumor has surfaced about the ARRL being supportive of limiting > the bandwidth of signals. The rumor is 3.5 kHz for wideband signals. > If this is true, I want you to know how adamantly I am opposed to the > proposal. In a time when frequency allocations are increasing and > band usage is much more congenial, I find it hard to believe that > anyone would support this kind of proposal. > > The rumor is that the ARRL is prepared to sumit a notice of proposed > rulemaking concerning this issue. Can you please tell me if that is > the case and is the notice being prepared? > > Tnx and 73 > > Jim Wilhite > member # 0008432524 > de W5JPW > > > > > > Well, Jim, all I can tell you is that the ARRL opposed a 3.5-kHz > bandwidth limitation the last time it was proposed, by the FCC in 1976 > (Docket 20777), and I don't know anything that's changed in the > meantime to alter that position. > > Probably what set this off was Minute 64 of the July 2002 Board > Meeting which reads in its entirety: 64. On motion of Mr. Frenaye, > seconded by Mr. Stinson, it was VOTED that at the next practical > opportunity the ARRL shall petition the FCC to revise Part 97 to > regulate subbands by signal bandwidth instead of by mode. > > The Board has given us no instruction as to what the petition should > propose with regard to bandwidth. Absent instructions to the contrary, > what we draft (nothing's been done on this as of now) will not propose > new restrictions. But it's certainly true that in going from a > regulatory regime based on mode of emission to one based on bandwidth > there are bound to be consequences, intended and otherwise, that will > have to be considered very carefully. > > 73, > David Sumner, K1ZZ > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > The reason this message is shown is because the post was in HTML > or had an attachment. Attachments are not allowed. > Please post in Plain-Text only.--- > ___ > AMRadio mailing list > AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio ___ AMRadio mailing list AMRadio@mailman.qth.net http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio
RE: [AMRadio] AM Radio for the beginner...
Hiya Dino! Welcome to the wonderful and meliflous world of Amateur AM! Let me take a poke at answering some of your questions, though I'm sure there are other AM OPs who will add their comments too. > What radios are recommended? My limited experience tells me that current > production models really lack any AM prowess. It seems that Yaesu products appear the most amenable to AM operation, either through simple proper adjustments or ease of modification. The two most popular Yaesu transceivers are the FT-101 series and the FT-102. A good set of mods for the FT101 series is at http://www.amwindow.org/tech/htm/ft101.htm For further information on the FT-101 refer the The Yaesu FT-101 HF Transceiver Home Page by NW2M. http://www.qsl.net/nw2m/ FT-102 Mods info: http://www.amwindow.org/tech/htm/ft102.htm An alternative, and highly recommended is to find an older "boatanchor" AM transmitter, such as a Heath Apache, or DX-100. These run 100W out, but are fully self-contained plate modulated rigs that lend themselves well to mods and upgrades. Or find a smaller Johnson Ranger, at 50W out, it is still plate modulated, and the basis of a fine exciter for that big rig. > ...but I like TUBES! 500 watts of CLEAN AM power > would float my boat! You're in luck! There are several home-brew "projects" on the web, catering to 300-500W AM rigs: http://www.amwindow.org/tech/htm/813/813.htm This is the famous "Tesla 300" 813 rig. 300-500W depending on plate voltage and available iron. Wanna go state-of-the-art solid state? Build a fully solid state 300-500W AM transmitter! http://www.netway.com/~stevec/ham/classe.htm Class E AM Transmitter Descriptions, Circuits, Etc. There are two excellent websites dedicated to Amataeur AM: The "AM Window": http://www.amwindow.org/index.htm and W2INR's "AMFone" http://www.amfone.net/ The AM Window site also has a well attended, high traffic BBS forum, at: http://www.amwindow.org/wwwboard/wwwboard.html where you can post your questions, queries and concerns. All "the best" AM'ers hang out there! :-) > What antennas are recommended? Wire? Loaded verticals? Most AM'ers use wire antennas for the lower bands. Loaded verticals suffer from too many problems - feeding and loading, radiation angles, etc. A simple balanced-fed dipole will jo the job to start you off. > Is the Globe King really THAT expensive?! Is it worth it? You mean the one made in Paris Texas? Heh heh heh. The consensus is that you could build a better one for a lot less. 'Nuf said. > Is there a publication dedicated to AM radio? Sort of. Electric Radio, 14643 County Road G, Cortez, CO 81321-9575 Phone/FAX (970) 564-9185 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Electric Radio Index - a searchable index of ER articles and photos is available online or a downloadable version for DOS/Windows , Macintosh and Linux/UNIX users. Get the details at: http://www.amwindow.org/er/erindex.htm The AM Press/Exchange - The AM Press Exchange is the oldest AM publication and is devoted entirely to AM. It has been published since the late 1970's and has generally been more technical in its content than ER. Unfortunately, it has been published sporadically over the last several years. Now, back issues are available on the Web. http://www.amfone.net/AMPX/ampx.htm My recommendation is to spend some time on both the AM Window, http://www.amwindow.org/index.htm and AMFone http://www.amfone.net/, and check the forum at http://www.amwindow.org/wwwboard/wwwboard.html . Good luck, and welcome to the world of Amateur AM 73, Ed, VA3ES (a/k/a Piss-weak Ed) Ed Sieb, VA3ES [EMAIL PROTECTED] P. O. Box 8377, Ottawa Terminal, Ottawa, Ontario, K1G 3H8 613-738-8924 (H) AMI #529 Canadian Division Director. Member - Radio Club of America, QCWA, AWA Net Manager - Canadian Boat Anchor Net (3745 Kcs)
Re: [AMRadio] Heathkit Apache(s)
Russ, For the modified one I'd like to get $250. I paid $200 for it before I got it going "right". Bob - Original Message - From: "russ dworakowski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Heathkit Apache(s) > Bob, please, give a ballpark figure of what you think is a reasonable > offer? Russ. > > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Reply-To: amradio@mailman.qth.net > >To: AM Radio > >Subject: [AMRadio] Heathkit Apache(s) > >Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:30:01 -0400 > > > >I have two Heathkit Apaches I'd like to sell. One has had the W3SCC/W3YGC > >audio modifications done to it, plus feedback added. The other is not > >modified, but the final fan motor is bad. > > > >Will drive some distance to meet, won't try to ship. There is too much > >mass > >on the back side of the chassis. > > > >Reasonable offers? Trades? > > > >Bob - N0DGN Craf-T-Bob (Because I love Hallicrafters!) > >R-390A EAC '67, R-390A Collins '52, BC-610I, BC-939B, > >and BC-614E > > > >___ > >AMRadio mailing list > >AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > >http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > > > > > _ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > ___ > AMRadio mailing list > AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio
Re: [AMRadio] AM Radio for the beginner...
Hi Dino: Let me also welcome you to the AM group. I would bet there is someone in your area who could help with your search for an AM rig. You might start by listening to the California Early Bird Net Saturdays at 8 AM on 3870. Also there is the West Coast AM Net Wednesday at 9 PM, Pacific on or about 3870 with Ken, K6CJA the NCS. Ken is a fine fellow and will give you any direction you request. If you have an SSB rig that will transmit AM, join in and ask if there is anyone in you area that can help you. I have a Globe King 500 A and like it very much but most of the time I use either a DX 100 or a B&W 5100B. Both are 100 watt out class transmitters and coupled with a good antenna will do a fine job for you. The key is the antenna, I have used both verticals and wire antennas. If you choose a wire antenna just be sure to get it high enough, if a vertical be sure to install a very good ground plane. You did not mention your experience level, but I derive great joy of finding a transmitter and receiver that needs attention. If all the parts are there, you can repair them and have a class station. You will find a wealth of information here to guide you through your decisions. Another group that is more than willing to help can be found here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/newoldstock/ Just join the group and ask any question you want in either place. A magazine that you might want to consider is Electric Radio. If you will email Barry Wiseman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] he will be happy to tell you the subscription rates and help you get the magazine coming. As already mentioned AMI is a good organization to join and I, too, don't have the page, but the Google search will get you to their home page. Again Welcome and look forward to seeing more posts and hearing you on the air soon. 73 Jim de W5JPW Hello o' Great Ones! My name is Dino and I live in Southern CA. I have always wanted to get into AM radio after hearing the stories about all you famous (infamous?) operators out here. I have listened on air and to a few sound bites off the Internet. As a start, I signed up here to learn about the sport but have found the conversations lacking in the "beginner topics". I have specific questions... What radios are recommended? My limited experience tells me that current production models really lack any AM prowess. I have heard that the FT-100D can be tweaked...but I like TUBES! 500 watts of CLEAN AM power would float my boat! What antennas are recommended? Wire? Loaded verticals? Is the Globe King really THAT expensive?! Is it worth it? Is there a publication dedicated to AM radio? While the fraternity could certainly use more members, I don't know if you should pick me. My goal is to BUILD an AM transmitter of about 350 to 500 watts with a tube modulation circuit and final. That's later though! In the mean time, what can I get or what do you recommend for a novice? Thanks for your time...you are a class group! Dino...K6RIX --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html The reason this message is shown is because the post was in HTML or had an attachment. Attachments are not allowed. Please post in Plain-Text only.---
RE: [AMRadio] AM Radio for the beginner...
Oops, I almost forgot to mention one of my other favorite radio's, the Johnson Ranger I and Ranger II. Those are also wonderful transmitters for a beginner and beyond. I own a Ranger I and Ranger II and just love using them! 73, Scott WA9WFA
RE: [AMRadio] AM Radio for the beginner...
Hi Dino, Operating AM is certainly half the fun but just using the classic tube radio is easily the other half of the fun. For someone starting out, there are alot of good AM transmitters. Don't go qrp, you need a bit of power for AM on 75. 10 meters is another matter. Boy, if I were starting out again, I'd recommend to myself to go for a Johnson Valiant or Johnson Viking II right out of the shoot. They're both great rigs for a beginner, pretty straightforward to work on if needed, very reliable, reasonably priced, and has some decent power for AM and cw. Get one thats working and in decent shape for your first radio. Don't buy a junker or wreck to save $$ unless you are experienced in repair of tube radios and willing to wait out the restoration. Once you have a nice transmitter on the air then consider branching out and doing restorations. Other excellant transmitters include the Collins 32V series, Johnson Viking II with 122 vfo, Heathkit DX-100. There are an awful lot of good transmitters out there. I'd start out simple with a good solid rig, and then you can go radio nuts like the rest of us and acquire all sorts of transmitters :^) You mention the Globe King series. The Globe King is a great transmitter and many people are incredibly happy to own one. It commands a premium price for one in good shape and functional. If you happen across one in decent shape that works, go for it if you have the money. Its a classic. There are other monster transmitters out there that we love including the BC610, Collins KW-1, Johnson Viking Desk Kilowatt, and a bunch of others. Good luck. 73, Scott WA9WFA
Re: [AMRadio] AM Radio for the beginner...
On 15 Aug 2002 at 12:07, Dino Darling wrote: > Is there a publication dedicated to AM radio? Dino, there are several publications. I recommend ELECTRIC RADIO as one of the best, in my opinion! I love it!
Re: [AMRadio] AM Radio for the beginner...
Hi Dino, There are a great number of nice rigs which are great for anyone interested in AM. They can be had relatively cheap, especially at hamfests, ocassionally here on the reflector and on that infamous auction site. Among them are the Viking Ranger, Viking II, Heath Apache, and Elmac AF-67 to mention a few. All lend themselves to rather easy modifications if you're so inclined and are excellent units. Most use easy to get and still relatively cheap tubes which is another thing to consider. As far as antennas are concerned, anything with a good match will work well. Since the AM windows are small, cutting an antenna to the exact frequency is a simple matter. The Globe King can be an expensive item, depending on the seller, condition, modifications, etc. Unless someone has already restore it, many of them are unfortunately in bad shape and will take a lot of work to get them perking to spec again. Unless you are an experienced tech, my advise would be to save your money on a rust bucket and either spring for a working restored King of get something smaller and les expensive to start out. There is an organization called AM International where you can glean a lot of info and links. I don't have the URL in this computer but you can do a Google search and find them. Good luck and welcome to REAL radio. 73, John, W4AWM --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html The reason this message is shown is because the post was in HTML or had an attachment. Attachments are not allowed. Please post in Plain-Text only.---
[AMRadio] AM Radio for the beginner...
Hello o' Great Ones! My name is Dino and I live in Southern CA. I have always wanted to get into AM radio after hearing the stories about all you famous (infamous?) operators out here. I have listened on air and to a few sound bites off the Internet. As a start, I signed up here to learn about the sport but have found the conversations lacking in the "beginner topics". I have specific questions... What radios are recommended? My limited experience tells me that current production models really lack any AM prowess. I have heard that the FT-100D can be tweaked...but I like TUBES! 500 watts of CLEAN AM power would float my boat! What antennas are recommended? Wire? Loaded verticals? Is the Globe King really THAT expensive?! Is it worth it? Is there a publication dedicated to AM radio? While the fraternity could certainly use more members, I don't know if you should pick me. My goal is to BUILD an AM transmitter of about 350 to 500 watts with a tube modulation circuit and final. That's later though! In the mean time, what can I get or what do you recommend for a novice? Thanks for your time...you are a class group! Dino...K6RIX
Re: [AMRadio] Heathkit Apache(s)
Bob, please, give a ballpark figure of what you think is a reasonable offer? Russ. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: amradio@mailman.qth.net To: AM Radio Subject: [AMRadio] Heathkit Apache(s) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:30:01 -0400 I have two Heathkit Apaches I'd like to sell. One has had the W3SCC/W3YGC audio modifications done to it, plus feedback added. The other is not modified, but the final fan motor is bad. Will drive some distance to meet, won't try to ship. There is too much mass on the back side of the chassis. Reasonable offers? Trades? Bob - N0DGN Craf-T-Bob (Because I love Hallicrafters!) R-390A EAC '67, R-390A Collins '52, BC-610I, BC-939B, and BC-614E ___ AMRadio mailing list AMRadio@mailman.qth.net http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
Re: [AMRadio] Fw: A rumor about ARRL
What are the objectives that lead to this motion? 73 de Bill, AB6MT [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "WILHITE, JIM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "AMRadio" Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 7:24 AM Subject: [AMRadio] Fw: A rumor about ARRL I took the time to send a message to one of the directors mentioned in K1ZZ's message and here is his reply. I don't want to alarm people but now is the time to influence the direction of this proposal. I am hopeful the directors will listen to us. I think it gives a little insight into why the subject has arisen. Best we be on our toes. 73 Jim de W5JPW - Original Message - From: Tom Frenaye Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 5:32 PM To: WILHITE, JIM Cc: Walt Stinson Subject: Re: A rumor about ARRL At 06:30 PM 8/14/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Although I am not in your district, I wish to express my feelings that this can be a good thing or a bad thing depending on its proposal. I agree!! Quite a number of things have to be worked out before we go forward to the FCC. Any action won't be for many months (at least)! >The rumor has stated that the maximum bandwidth be limited to 3.5 KHz. If this rumor is true, I want you to know I am deeply opposed and will file comments with the FCC as will many other members of the ARRL who are involved with AM operation. > >Can you substantiate this rumor please? Nope, can't substantiate it... Setting specific limits on maximum bandwidth was not discussed at the Board meeting as far as I recall. Just a rumor, something the Internet and some users like to start! But, now that the issue has been raised, are there limits to the bandwidth of different emission types that ought to be in our goals? The FCC often speaks to "good engineering practice" and I believe they would not like to hear a 5 khz wide SSB or RTTY signal, for example. -- Tom --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html The reason this message is shown is because the post was in HTML or had an attachment. Attachments are not allowed. Please post in Plain-Text only.--- ___ AMRadio mailing list AMRadio@mailman.qth.net http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio
[AMRadio] West Coast AM Reflector
Good Morning! A week or two ago, a few of the Southern California fellows and I were hatching an idea about an email reflector that would be available for West Coast Am'rs. I remember Bill AB6MT's reflector didn't get much traffic, but was pretty handy to have around. I have an open email port that would be available for this. The server and software for this lives in my garage, so it wouldn't be a part of QTH.net (which does a great job) or anybody else's system. If you think this would be something useful to us, let me know via return email. I already administer two other reflectors here at home, so this would not cause any aggravation on this end. 73 Craig K6QI
RE: [AMRadio] Fw: A rumor about ARRL
Gentleman, If the bandwidth limit of 3.5 KHz is to be implemented (unlikely I believe)... how unfair it would be in contrast to the broadcash stations that obliterate our hambands with super high power double sidebands with 10KHz bandwith playing music! For this reason and others, I think that this proposal (if real) is rediculous, not to mention that FM, TV and other wide band modes at the higher frequencies may be affected. If the FCC were real about this, maybe they would have previously implemented single sideband AM in the broadcast band so they could squeeze in twice as many AM atations, and phase out double sideband receivers in the general public. In fact... they could do and would have to do this in advance of changeing the transmitters, the same way the High definition TV format is getting it's foothold on us. If that commercial $$ power isn't enough to push bandwidth limitations, why would anyone care about ham radio? Besides, one could make a good case for using simple transmitters for emergencies that just happen to have double sideband emmissions, in light of the homeland security issues. Just some thoughts... George AB2KC -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of WILHITE, JIM Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 10:25 AM To: AMRadio Subject: [AMRadio] Fw: A rumor about ARRL I took the time to send a message to one of the directors mentioned in K1ZZ's message and here is his reply. I don't want to alarm people but now is the time to influence the direction of this proposal. I am hopeful the directors will listen to us. I think it gives a little insight into why the subject has arisen. Best we be on our toes. 73 Jim de W5JPW - Original Message - From: Tom Frenaye Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 5:32 PM To: WILHITE, JIM Cc: Walt Stinson Subject: Re: A rumor about ARRL At 06:30 PM 8/14/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Although I am not in your district, I wish to express my feelings that this can be a good thing or a bad thing depending on its proposal. I agree!! Quite a number of things have to be worked out before we go forward to the FCC. Any action won't be for many months (at least)! >The rumor has stated that the maximum bandwidth be limited to 3.5 KHz. If this rumor is true, I want you to know I am deeply opposed and will file comments with the FCC as will many other members of the ARRL who are involved with AM operation. > >Can you substantiate this rumor please? Nope, can't substantiate it... Setting specific limits on maximum bandwidth was not discussed at the Board meeting as far as I recall. Just a rumor, something the Internet and some users like to start! But, now that the issue has been raised, are there limits to the bandwidth of different emission types that ought to be in our goals? The FCC often speaks to "good engineering practice" and I believe they would not like to hear a 5 khz wide SSB or RTTY signal, for example. -- Tom --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html The reason this message is shown is because the post was in HTML or had an attachment. Attachments are not allowed. Please post in Plain-Text only.--- ___ AMRadio mailing list AMRadio@mailman.qth.net http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio
[AMRadio] Fw: A rumor about ARRL
I took the time to send a message to one of the directors mentioned in K1ZZ's message and here is his reply. I don't want to alarm people but now is the time to influence the direction of this proposal. I am hopeful the directors will listen to us. I think it gives a little insight into why the subject has arisen. Best we be on our toes. 73 Jim de W5JPW - Original Message - From: Tom Frenaye Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 5:32 PM To: WILHITE, JIM Cc: Walt Stinson Subject: Re: A rumor about ARRL At 06:30 PM 8/14/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Although I am not in your district, I wish to express my feelings that this >can be a good thing or a bad thing depending on its proposal. I agree!! Quite a number of things have to be worked out before we go forward to the FCC. Any action won't be for many months (at least)! >The rumor has stated that the maximum bandwidth be limited to 3.5 KHz. If >this rumor is true, I want you to know I am deeply opposed and will file >comments with the FCC as will many other members of the ARRL who are involved >with AM operation. > >Can you substantiate this rumor please? Nope, can't substantiate it... Setting specific limits on maximum bandwidth was not discussed at the Board meeting as far as I recall. Just a rumor, something the Internet and some users like to start! But, now that the issue has been raised, are there limits to the bandwidth of different emission types that ought to be in our goals? The FCC often speaks to "good engineering practice" and I believe they would not like to hear a 5 khz wide SSB or RTTY signal, for example. -- Tom --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html The reason this message is shown is because the post was in HTML or had an attachment. Attachments are not allowed. Please post in Plain-Text only.---
Re: [AMRadio] A rumor about limiting bandwidth
I'd really like to know what the hell their reasoning is behind proposing this! Whether there is an infringement on AM activity or not, it just seems like they are after the same old saw of fixing things that aren't broken. What EVER is the matter with these people? AM I just missing something here? Or is there some secret sensible purpose for this idea? On 14 Aug 2002 at 16:01, WILHITE, JIM wrote: > Recently on another reflector I read a rumor about the ARRL proposing > a maximum bandwidth limitation on subbands of 3.5 Kcy. I sent the > following message to the Executive Director of the ARRL and here is > his answer. I post for you consumption. Is it time to get involved > with the directors? > > 73 Jim > de W5JPW > > > > > -Original Message- > From: WILHITE, JIM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 1:34 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Rumors > > > Hi Dave: > > Another rumor has surfaced about the ARRL being supportive of limiting > the bandwidth of signals. The rumor is 3.5 kHz for wideband signals. > If this is true, I want you to know how adamantly I am opposed to the > proposal. In a time when frequency allocations are increasing and > band usage is much more congenial, I find it hard to believe that > anyone would support this kind of proposal. > > The rumor is that the ARRL is prepared to sumit a notice of proposed > rulemaking concerning this issue. Can you please tell me if that is > the case and is the notice being prepared? > > Tnx and 73 > > Jim Wilhite > member # 0008432524 > de W5JPW > > > > > > Well, Jim, all I can tell you is that the ARRL opposed a 3.5-kHz > bandwidth limitation the last time it was proposed, by the FCC in 1976 > (Docket 20777), and I don't know anything that's changed in the > meantime to alter that position. > > Probably what set this off was Minute 64 of the July 2002 Board > Meeting which reads in its entirety: 64. On motion of Mr. Frenaye, > seconded by Mr. Stinson, it was VOTED that at the next practical > opportunity the ARRL shall petition the FCC to revise Part 97 to > regulate subbands by signal bandwidth instead of by mode. > > The Board has given us no instruction as to what the petition should > propose with regard to bandwidth. Absent instructions to the contrary, > what we draft (nothing's been done on this as of now) will not propose > new restrictions. But it's certainly true that in going from a > regulatory regime based on mode of emission to one based on bandwidth > there are bound to be consequences, intended and otherwise, that will > have to be considered very carefully. > > 73, > David Sumner, K1ZZ > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > The reason this message is shown is because the post was in HTML > or had an attachment. Attachments are not allowed. > Please post in Plain-Text only.--- > ___ > AMRadio mailing list > AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio
Re: [AMRadio] FS: SX-115
In a message dated 8/15/2002 6:46:32 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I have a "nice, but not mint" SX-115 for sale. Electrically it works great, physically it's fine, with some minor flaws IMNSHO $750 picked up in Lincoln, Nebraska... >> Hi Dan, What ya gonna buy with the cash? :-) Not much hamming here, getting ready to pour some concrete in my barn. back to the BAs when it starts snowing. 73, Jack
[AMRadio] FS: SX-115
Greetings! I have a "nice, but not mint" SX-115 for sale. Electrically it works great, physically it's fine, with some minor flaws IMNSHO $750 picked up in Lincoln, Nebraska... thanks es 73 de Dan -- WØDJW .. 402-489-8076(shack)
Re: [AMRadio] Heathkit Apache(s)
Hi Bob ! That's wild ! I was born and raised in Rome !! Moved to Atl to go to GA Tech in 1971 and have been in NW Ga area ever since. Just now building a house on 18 acres between Rockmart and Yorkville. Well I tell you what.if you don't get any takers and still have 'em on your next visit to this area, bring 'em along, hi ! Check out my web page for pics of the vintage shack here: http://home.earthlink.net/~kx4r/ 73 for now ! Greg KX4R - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Heathkit Apache(s) > Greg, > > I am located in Manassas, VA. It is about 35 miles West of Washington, > DC. > > Be careful how you start "twisting" my arm. I have relatives in the > Atlanta, Acworth, & Rome areas of GA!! > > I also have two Mohawks - non modified, and at least one of each > original manuals. > > Offers and ideas? > > Bob - N0DGN > > - Original Message - > From: "Gregory Carter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 20:25 PM > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Heathkit Apache(s) > > > > Where are you located Bob ?? > > > > 73, Greg KX4R > > NW Georgia > > > > - Original Message - > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "AM Radio" > > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 5:30 PM > > Subject: [AMRadio] Heathkit Apache(s) > > > > > > > I have two Heathkit Apaches I'd like to sell. One has had the > W3SCC/W3YGC > > > audio modifications done to it, plus feedback added. The other is not > > > modified, but the final fan motor is bad. > > > > > > Will drive some distance to meet, won't try to ship. There is too much > > mass > > > on the back side of the chassis. > > > > > > Reasonable offers? Trades? > > > > > > Bob - N0DGN Craf-T-Bob (Because I love Hallicrafters!) > > > R-390A EAC '67, R-390A Collins '52, BC-610I, BC-939B, > > > and BC-614E > > > > > > ___ > > > AMRadio mailing list > > > AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > > > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > > > > ___ > > AMRadio mailing list > > AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > > ___ > AMRadio mailing list > AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio
Re: [AMRadio] Heathkit Apache(s)
Thanks Bob. I will think about it, but frankly it is a bit rich for my blood at this moment. 73, John --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html The reason this message is shown is because the post was in HTML or had an attachment. Attachments are not allowed. Please post in Plain-Text only.---
Re: [AMRadio] Heathkit Apache(s)
Oops! The modified one is actually in VERY good shape. I got it and its matching Mohawk from an estate sale. I'm the second owner. Bob - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 21:37 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Heathkit Apache(s) > Hi Bob, > > What kind of shape are the Apaches in, especially the modified one? Do you > have any idea of a price you would accept for either. > > You can email back or call any time, 703-978-6200, I never hit the sack b4 > midnight, usually later! I am over here in Beautiful Downtown Burke. > > 73, > > John, W4AWM > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > The reason this message is shown is because the post was in HTML > or had an attachment. Attachments are not allowed. > Please post in Plain-Text only.--- > ___ > AMRadio mailing list > AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio
Re: [AMRadio] Heathkit Apache(s)
John, The modified one I'd be asking $250. Bob - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 21:37 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Heathkit Apache(s) > Hi Bob, > > What kind of shape are the Apaches in, especially the modified one? Do you > have any idea of a price you would accept for either. > > You can email back or call any time, 703-978-6200, I never hit the sack b4 > midnight, usually later! I am over here in Beautiful Downtown Burke. > > 73, > > John, W4AWM > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > The reason this message is shown is because the post was in HTML > or had an attachment. Attachments are not allowed. > Please post in Plain-Text only.--- > ___ > AMRadio mailing list > AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio
