Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window

[Brian Carling]

The Carolina WIndom is easy to duplicate for about $3 to $5 
or if you have a good junk box, for nothing!

I will just look at these sites and follow directions:

http://users.erols.com/k3mt/windom/windom.htm
http://www.packetradio.com/windom.htm
http://www.qsl.net/ea4eoz/hfbalun.html

It looks like it will be easy if I can just find enough space to bend it 
around asmall yard and get it high enough up in the air to catch a 
few passing Electrcons and Gausses!

On 24 Dec 2004 at 8:36, Mark Bell wrote:

> They go for more than that on the "e" place;
> 
> I put up my "temporary" HB 40/80 meter dipole in Dec 1999 just to last
> through the winter;  it's still there..  I must confess I broke down and
> brought a Carolina Windom last month to replace it.  just have to wait
> for the wx to get bad before I swap antennas
> 
> 73 Mark K3MSB
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Geoff/W5OMR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Robert Nickels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Discussion of AM Radio"
> 
> Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 3:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window
> 
> 
> > What gets me, is that there's some one, or some company, that's
> commercially
> > packaging what results in nothing more than a couple of eye-hooks screwed
> into
> > some PVC, an SO-239 on the bottom, a couple of hanks of wire, and 50' of
> RG-58
> > and these "dipole kits" are selling for $80.  (That's no typo, that's
> *EIGHTY*
> > Dollars!)
> >
> > As seen at "The Ham Store" in San Antonio (another reason I won't set foot
> in
> > the place).
> >
> > 73 = Best Regards,
> > -Geoff/W5OMR
> >
> > (A fool and his money are soon partying)
> >
> >
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Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window

[peter A Markavage]

Well, I guess Mark, based on the previous descriptions/definitions etc.,
maybe you're have to refer to yourself as an "AM'er lite". Anyway, to me,
you see the true AM'er colors in the operating and the enjoyment in using
the mode, and not in the manner he/she uses to get there.

Happy Holidays to all
Pete, wa2cwa

On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 08:36:34 -0500 "Mark Bell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> They go for more than that on the "e" place;
> 
> I put up my "temporary" HB 40/80 meter dipole in Dec 1999 just to 
> last
> through the winter;  it's still there..  I must confess I broke 
> down and
> brought a Carolina Windom last month to replace it.  just have 
> to wait
> for the wx to get bad before I swap antennas
> 
> 73 Mark K3MSB
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Geoff/W5OMR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Robert Nickels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Discussion of AM Radio"
> 
> Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 3:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window
> 
> 
> > What gets me, is that there's some one, or some company, that's
> commercially
> > packaging what results in nothing more than a couple of eye-hooks 
> screwed
> into
> > some PVC, an SO-239 on the bottom, a couple of hanks of wire, and 
> 50' of
> RG-58
> > and these "dipole kits" are selling for $80.  (That's no typo, 
> that's
> *EIGHTY*
> > Dollars!)
> >
> > As seen at "The Ham Store" in San Antonio (another reason I won't 
> set foot
> in
> > the place).
> >
> > 73 = Best Regards,
> > -Geoff/W5OMR
> >
> > (A fool and his money are soon partying)

Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window

[Mark Bell]

They go for more than that on the "e" place;

I put up my "temporary" HB 40/80 meter dipole in Dec 1999 just to last
through the winter;  it's still there..  I must confess I broke down and
brought a Carolina Windom last month to replace it.  just have to wait
for the wx to get bad before I swap antennas

73 Mark K3MSB


- Original Message - 
From: "Geoff/W5OMR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Robert Nickels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Discussion of AM Radio"

Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 3:30 AM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window


> What gets me, is that there's some one, or some company, that's
commercially
> packaging what results in nothing more than a couple of eye-hooks screwed
into
> some PVC, an SO-239 on the bottom, a couple of hanks of wire, and 50' of
RG-58
> and these "dipole kits" are selling for $80.  (That's no typo, that's
*EIGHTY*
> Dollars!)
>
> As seen at "The Ham Store" in San Antonio (another reason I won't set foot
in
> the place).
>
> 73 = Best Regards,
> -Geoff/W5OMR
>
> (A fool and his money are soon partying)
>
>
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Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window

[Geoff/W5OMR]

> > I get a chuckle when someone tells me they are using a "homebrew dipole"
>
> I have to confess, as a young teen Novice my Dad and I put up a "storebought
> dipole" - one of those HyGain jobs with traps for 80/40/15 meters.
> Pre-Elmer, I didn't really know any better.   For Christmas that year my
> folks got me a Heath SWR bridge that I carefully put together - but
> concluded was defective as it showed about 5:1 SWR.   Even so, I made lots
> of CW contacts using my Halli HT-40.
>
> But after I got my General and fired it up on AM fone, the going was a lot
> tougher.  A fella who was passing thru town offered to stop by and help
> check out my antenna, and guess what?  His SWR bridge read the same as mine!
> With his help, the trap dipole was quickly replaced with a "real dipole"
> that had a flat SWR and even my pipsqueak controlled carrier AM got out a
> lot better!That was 35 years ago, and I've never bought a dipole since.
>
> 73, Bob W9RAN

What gets me, is that there's some one, or some company, that's commercially
packaging what results in nothing more than a couple of eye-hooks screwed into
some PVC, an SO-239 on the bottom, a couple of hanks of wire, and 50' of RG-58
and these "dipole kits" are selling for $80.  (That's no typo, that's *EIGHTY*
Dollars!)

As seen at "The Ham Store" in San Antonio (another reason I won't set foot in
the place).

73 = Best Regards,
-Geoff/W5OMR

(A fool and his money are soon partying)

Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window

[Robert Nickels]

> I get a chuckle when someone tells me they are using a "homebrew dipole"

I have to confess, as a young teen Novice my Dad and I put up a "storebought
dipole" - one of those HyGain jobs with traps for 80/40/15 meters.
Pre-Elmer, I didn't really know any better.   For Christmas that year my
folks got me a Heath SWR bridge that I carefully put together - but
concluded was defective as it showed about 5:1 SWR.   Even so, I made lots
of CW contacts using my Halli HT-40.

But after I got my General and fired it up on AM fone, the going was a lot
tougher.  A fella who was passing thru town offered to stop by and help
check out my antenna, and guess what?  His SWR bridge read the same as mine!
With his help, the trap dipole was quickly replaced with a "real dipole"
that had a flat SWR and even my pipsqueak controlled carrier AM got out a
lot better!That was 35 years ago, and I've never bought a dipole since.

73, Bob W9RAN

Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window

[Vince Wesa Werber]

and go here to see what he might do in his spare time (no I'm not sure)

http://k1man.itishot.us/

Don't go there with children around ok???  It's the 'Home Sex Network'
73
vince
ka1iic



On Tuesday 21 December 2004 03:18 pm, peter A Markavage wrote:
> Go here for a view of the area in Maine:
> http://www.k1man.com/web16/Page_30x.html
> or go here and poke around, http://www.k1man.com/web16/Page_1x.html
>
> Pete, wa2cwa
>
> On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 14:36:28 -0500 "Chris K." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Does anyone know where K1MAN is really broadcasting from?
> > Transmitter site and studio site.  What does he use for equipment
> > and
> > antenna?
> > Thanks,  73, Chris VE3NGW/W4 Florida
>
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Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window

[Vince Wesa Werber]

The transmitter is at One Long Point the same as his home.  The transmitters 
are in a run down old lodge behind his house.  Nothing special.

Yo might find it interesting that Belgrade Lakes is the mythical "On Golden 
Pond' from the movie...  Now I will tell you why the 'pond' is 'golden'...

This 'high class' place (so called) is the location of the largest 'Septage 
Utilization Site' in the state of Maine.  What is a 'Septage Utilization 
site'; you ask???  A farm when raw human feces is spread to grow hay and or 
vegetables.

Over one million gallons of raw septic tank (and BFI sludge) is spread here 
per year.  The 'pond' is so polluted that even one swim for many folks will 
bring on a bad case of 'swimmers itch'...  they blame it on the Ducks pooping 
in the water...

 

So let's face facts...  if any one of us were to drink the water from that 
place we all would be babbling idiots like Mr. Baxter...

BTW I'm the Ham that Mr. Baxter (K1MAN) said that Walter Cronkite 'hang out to 
dry'...  NOT TRUE!!!  For that to happen Mr. Cronkite would have to know me 
in one way or the other, facts are facts,  Mr. Cronkite doesn't know me from 
Adam!

Also, I was taken to court by Mr. Baxter...  I was award this case by 
default...  Mr. Baxter did not want to face me in court...  And for those 
that don't know, Mr. Baxter ALWAYS acts as his own attorney...  he has a fool 
for a client don't you think and an idiot for an attorney!

In one of Mr Baxter's spam editorials he refers to himself as having some sort 
of mental illness...  to the best of my knowledge this is NOT a fact...  
there has been no hearing at any court or order of insanity handed down by 
any judge as of yet...

Thanks for the rant guys... I'm done...
73
vince
ka1iic


On Tuesday 21 December 2004 03:21 pm, Schichler, Don wrote:
> The transmitter is in Belgrade Lakes, Maine.  It appears to be operated by
> remote control from an undisclosed location.
>
> 73, Don K2FY
>

Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window

[Geoff/W5OMR]

> Quote - "Then those aren't what we call "real hams".  I don't think I
> know of an AM Radio Operator that would be caught *dead* running a
> store-bought dipole antenna.  Them folks are no more than an appliance
> operator."
 
> In today's world of amateur radio, what does the phrase "real hams"
> really mean? If, you're comparing hams of today with hams of 40 or 50
> years ago, there are major differences in their outlook and perception of
> what ham radio is to them. It doesn't make them less of a "real ham"
> because they choose to use a modern appliance-type radio. 

John Coleman, constant lurker and sometimes poster to this list, said it best.

I'm sure John wouldn't mind, if we were all to take a look at what he wrote,
about "What AM Means To Me", found at
http://www.amwindow.org/features/htm/wa5bxo.htm

73 = Best Regards,
-Geoff/W5OMR

Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window

[Jim Wilhite]

You have given me an idea Don.  My next building project will be a home brew 
dipole.  What a great idea 


73  Jim
W5JO

- Original Message - 
From: "Donald Chester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window





Then those aren't what we call "real hams".  I don't think I know of an
AM Radio Operator that would be caught *dead* running a store-bought
dipole antenna.  Them folks are no more than an appliance operator.


I get a chuckle when someone tells me they are using a "homebrew dipole". 
I assume, by default, that when someone puts up a dipole, it is homebrew, 
especially within the AM community.



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Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window

[peter A Markavage]

Quote - "Then those aren't what we call "real hams".  I don't think I
know of an AM Radio Operator that would be caught *dead* running a
store-bought dipole antenna.  Them folks are no more than an appliance
operator."

In today's world of amateur radio, what does the phrase "real hams"
really mean? If, you're comparing hams of today with hams of 40 or 50
years ago, there are major differences in their outlook and perception of
what ham radio is to them. It doesn't make them less of a "real ham"
because they choose to use a modern appliance-type radio. They're
interested in operating and using the mode and probably have less
interest in what generates it. Up in the Northeast there are a number of
hams who currently use modern (Icom, Kenwood, Yaesu) radios as their main
source of AM operating.  Some of these guys have been on AM as short 2
years, whereas others have been active for over 40 years. Many AM'ers are
now choosing the ease, flexibility, and overall superiority of a modern
rig versus the constant smell and diddling of a 50 year or older radio.
Doesn't make them less of a "real ham". As far as store-bought antennas,
AM amateurs with restricted space, yards with one tree 5 foot tall,
apartments, condos, etc. sometimes have to resort to commercially made
short or trap type antennas in order to get on the air at all. Appliance
operator doesn't fit here either.

Heck, I run AM most of the time either with a Icom 756 PRO II, Kenwood
Twins, C.E. 100V, Apache, and, on rare occasions, several Johnson rigs.
The smell and diddle has started to waned for me. It just doesn't drive
my interest as much today.

Pete, wa2cwa

On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 06:44:29 -0600 "Geoff/W5OMR"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > The reasons, as
> > mentioned earlier, antenna is cut for 3885, have no VFO, have only 
> 1
> > crystal, SSB'ers will get mad at me, transmitter is only tuned for 
> 3885,
> > etc., etc. always seem to be the answers.
> 
> Then those aren't what we call "real hams".  I don't think I know of 
> an
> AM Radio Operator that would be caught *dead* running a 
> store-bought
> dipole antenna.  Them folks are no more than an appliance operator.
> 
> I can't fathom anyone giving credence to an argument of "my dipole 
> is 
> only cut for 3.885", and no AM'er worth his salt, CARES whether or 
> not
> the SSB'ers are mad at him!  TRANSMITTER is only tuned for 3885?
> 
> C'mon, Pete... yer making my teeth itch! ;-)
>  
> > Anyway, this past Sunday, listening on 75 in the late afternoon, 
> at one
> > point there were AM QSO's on 3810, 3825, 3837(AWA net meets around 
> here),
> > 3852, 3860, 3875, and 3885. Most weekends, at least here in the
> > Northeast, a number of AM'ers have at least found the VFO knob, 
> and have
> > moved to other parts of the band. I'm willing to bet, at least 
> here in
> > the Northeast/middle Atlantic area,  there will more of this type
> > spreading out throughout the holiday week.
> 
> And, that's a GOOD thing! :-)
> 
> Merry CHRISTmas!
> 
> 73 = Best Regards,
> -Geoff/W5OMR

Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window

[Geoff/W5OMR]

> >Then those aren't what we call "real hams".  I don't think I know of an
> >AM Radio Operator that would be caught *dead* running a store-bought
> >dipole antenna.  Them folks are no more than an appliance operator.
> 
> I get a chuckle when someone tells me they are using a "homebrew dipole".  I 
> assume, by default, that when someone puts up a dipole, it is homebrew, 
> especially within the AM community.

There used to be arguments disguised as "intelligent debates" when someone
said "Rig here is homebrew", and someone would say "Did you blow the glass
in those tubes, yourself?  Wind your own transformers?  Roll your own Caps?"

Where does it end?  Sure, there's a point when you say "homebrew".  But, 
even classic car builders/restorers don't forge their own metal, for goodness
sake!

Grab a couple of tubes, mount the sockets, place the plate tuning cap on a 
chassis... "build" from parts laying around.  That is my idea of 'homebrew'.

73 = Best Regards,
-Geoff/W5OMR

Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window

[Donald Chester]

Then those aren't what we call "real hams".  I don't think I know of an
AM Radio Operator that would be caught *dead* running a store-bought
dipole antenna.  Them folks are no more than an appliance operator.


I get a chuckle when someone tells me they are using a "homebrew dipole".  I 
assume, by default, that when someone puts up a dipole, it is homebrew, 
especially within the AM community.

Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window

[Geoff/W5OMR]

> The reasons, as
> mentioned earlier, antenna is cut for 3885, have no VFO, have only 1
> crystal, SSB'ers will get mad at me, transmitter is only tuned for 3885,
> etc., etc. always seem to be the answers.

Then those aren't what we call "real hams".  I don't think I know of an
AM Radio Operator that would be caught *dead* running a store-bought
dipole antenna.  Them folks are no more than an appliance operator.

I can't fathom anyone giving credence to an argument of "my dipole is 
only cut for 3.885", and no AM'er worth his salt, CARES whether or not
the SSB'ers are mad at him!  TRANSMITTER is only tuned for 3885?

C'mon, Pete... yer making my teeth itch! ;-)
 
> Anyway, this past Sunday, listening on 75 in the late afternoon, at one
> point there were AM QSO's on 3810, 3825, 3837(AWA net meets around here),
> 3852, 3860, 3875, and 3885. Most weekends, at least here in the
> Northeast, a number of AM'ers have at least found the VFO knob, and have
> moved to other parts of the band. I'm willing to bet, at least here in
> the Northeast/middle Atlantic area,  there will more of this type
> spreading out throughout the holiday week.

And, that's a GOOD thing! :-)

Merry CHRISTmas!

73 = Best Regards,
-Geoff/W5OMR

Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window

[Brian Carling]

Well if they use "offensive language" it is guaranteed that they
will probably get the attention that they so desperately crave. 
That is basically what it is down to, for these insignificant, 
self-loathing babies that try so hard to offend others. They 
are really just a little child inside an adult body, just hoping 
that someone, somewhere will notice that they exist.

I'm glad most hams are not that psychotic.  Yes, a few AM ops 
in the northeast go off the deep end, but I always get a good laugh
out of them, even if they embarrass me. Most of it is really 
good-natured and not intended to harm anyone else. The slop
bucket ops , on the other hand, can be an entirely different kettle 
of squids.

On 21 Dec 2004 at 21:53, Paul Sokoloff wrote:

> Hello gentlemen,
> I have been enjoying the conversation here and I agree with Geoff.  As a
> relatively new AMer we need to find a hole and call CQ.  The trick is that
> the rest of us have to tune the entire band looking for QSOs.
> I had an interesting experience a few Saturday evenings ago.  There were
> NO QSOs in the AM window at 10pm.  I called CQ for 30 minutes and got no
> response.  What happened to everyone?
> There are a few AM folks here in the northeast who use somewhat
> offensive language on the air.  It is really ashame and does give us a bad
> name.  Anyway enjoy the bands while we have them.  See you on the air.
> 
> 73s,  Paul   WA3GFZ
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Geoff/W5OMR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Discussion of AM Radio" 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 8:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window
> 
> 
> >
> > > Quote - "...to have a one to one contact but if this were the case then
> > > 3880-3890 will only have 6 AM Stations on it at a time."
> >
> > > You hit the nail on the head. So I guess, unless I want to break into a
> > > one-on-one discussion, even through I may have no interest in what the
> > > discussion is about, I should shut down the rig and go and do something
> > > else. Unfortunately, my perception of many "AM Windowers" is like timid
> > > sheep in a pen with no gate.
> >
> > Nothing anywhere says you can not operate AM mode anywhere in the
> > phone band your license will allow you to operate.
> >
> > There is no "Window", just a calling freq of 3.885.  Same on 10m - the AM
> > calling frequency is 29.00.  Just like 146.52, and 52.525Mc, those simplex
> > "calling frequencies" are just that, and as soon as you establish contact,
> > move off of the calling frequency (where*EVER* you can find a clear spot)
> > and move your conversation (phone)/QSO (CW) there.  (CW is allowed
> > everywhere still, right? ;-))
> >
> > So, if I call CQ on 3.885, and there's an AM conversation on 3.880 and
> another
> > on 3.890, I'm gonna go hunt up/down and find a hole somewhere else that
> > this station and I can mutually work, together.  I, being the Extra, would
> ask
> > the other party where he'd be comfortable at.  3.870?  3.875?  3.753.45?
> >  I -have-
> > a VFO, so it don't matter.
> >
> > Speaking of which... Not Having a VFO is no excuse, either.  If you've a
> > crystal, you can feed a vfo signal in that same socket.  Even if it's only
> a
> > low-
> > level output from a ricebox, you can feed a small amount of RF in there,
> to
> > make that old rig frequency agile.
> >
> > I conlude that the general concession is that a lot of the "local
> discussions"
> > on
> > 75m is, well.. let's just say it's not fit for mixed company.  Not that
> I'm a
> > prude,
> > but I also get that more gentlemen operate AM than there are Gentlemen on
> > most SSB frequencies.  Being polite Gentlemen, and not being diliberate,
> why
> > -not- fire up AM QSO's, starting at 3.753 (if the frequency is clear) and
> having
> > a pair of guys every 6kc (when possible) and fill the whole cotton pickin'
> band
> > with AM.  THEN, when the Sidebanders whine and complain about ALL the
> > AM, we -could- say "Fine.  We'll confine ourselves to these 30kc *if* you
> > keep your SSB QSO's off of say between 3.860 to 3.890."  But, then that
> puts
> > us back in a "window" or a box, if you will.  No.. upon further
> reflection, I
> > believe that operating an AM rig anywhere you're allowed phone operation
> > is what the answer is.  Being limited to 3.870/75/80/85 and 90 on 75m
> is -not-
> > conducive to further growth of our little 

Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window

[peter A Markavage]

Actually Geoff, in a number of published band plans, including the
ARRL's, 29.0 to 29.2 is actually designated as an AM slice of
frequencies. Not that we have exclusive use but at least a "noted
agreement". And, as I had been saying in earlier e-mails, like yourself,
3885, 7290, 14.286, 50.4 are designated as merely calling frequencies.
But, like all things human, amateur calls CQ on the calling frequency,
makes a contact, and then doesn't QSY. After years of doing this, AM'ers
wanting to start there own QSO, move up 3, 5 or 10 KHz's in either
direction of the calling frequency, and hence the formalization of the
imaginary window. The rest of the band could be void of signals to move
30, 40, 50 KHz away but generally it seems hard to grasp. The reasons, as
mentioned earlier, antenna is cut for 3885, have no VFO, have only 1
crystal, SSB'ers will get mad at me, transmitter is only tuned for 3885,
etc., etc. always seem to be the answers.

Anyway, this past Sunday, listening on 75 in the late afternoon, at one
point there were AM QSO's on 3810, 3825, 3837(AWA net meets around here),
3852, 3860, 3875, and 3885. Most weekends, at least here in the
Northeast, a number of AM'ers have at least found the VFO knob, and have
moved to other parts of the band. I'm willing to bet, at least here in
the Northeast/middle Atlantic area,  there will more of this type
spreading out throughout the holiday week.

Pete, wa2cwa

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 19:40:13 -0600 "Geoff/W5OMR"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Quote - "...to have a one to one contact but if this were the case 
> then
> > 3880-3890 will only have 6 AM Stations on it at a time."
> 
> > You hit the nail on the head. So I guess, unless I want to break 
> into a
> > one-on-one discussion, even through I may have no interest in what 
> the
> > discussion is about, I should shut down the rig and go and do 
> something
> > else. Unfortunately, my perception of many "AM Windowers" is like 
> timid
> > sheep in a pen with no gate.
> 
> Nothing anywhere says you can not operate AM mode anywhere in the
> phone band your license will allow you to operate.
> 
> There is no "Window", just a calling freq of 3.885.  Same on 10m - 
> the AM
> calling frequency is 29.00.  Just like 146.52, and 52.525Mc, those 
> simplex
> "calling frequencies" are just that, and as soon as you establish 
> contact,
> move off of the calling frequency (where*EVER* you can find a clear 
> spot)
> and move your conversation (phone)/QSO (CW) there.  (CW is allowed
> everywhere still, right? ;-))
> 
> So, if I call CQ on 3.885, and there's an AM conversation on 3.880 
> and another
> on 3.890, I'm gonna go hunt up/down and find a hole somewhere else 
> that
> this station and I can mutually work, together.  I, being the Extra, 
> would ask
> the other party where he'd be comfortable at.  3.870?  3.875?  
> 3.753.45?
>  I -have-
> a VFO, so it don't matter.
> 
> Speaking of which... Not Having a VFO is no excuse, either.  If 
> you've a
> crystal, you can feed a vfo signal in that same socket.  Even if 
> it's only a
> low-
> level output from a ricebox, you can feed a small amount of RF in 
> there, to
> make that old rig frequency agile.
> 
> I conlude that the general concession is that a lot of the "local 
> discussions"
> on
> 75m is, well.. let's just say it's not fit for mixed company.  Not 
> that I'm a
> prude,
> but I also get that more gentlemen operate AM than there are 
> Gentlemen on
> most SSB frequencies.  Being polite Gentlemen, and not being 
> diliberate, why
> -not- fire up AM QSO's, starting at 3.753 (if the frequency is 
> clear) and having
> a pair of guys every 6kc (when possible) and fill the whole cotton 
> pickin' band
> with AM.  THEN, when the Sidebanders whine and complain about ALL 
> the
> AM, we -could- say "Fine.  We'll confine ourselves to these 30kc 
> *if* you
> keep your SSB QSO's off of say between 3.860 to 3.890."  But, then 
> that puts
> us back in a "window" or a box, if you will.  No.. upon further 
> reflection, I
> believe that operating an AM rig anywhere you're allowed phone 
> operation
> is what the answer is.  Being limited to 3.870/75/80/85 and 90 on 
> 75m is -not-
> conducive to further growth of our little spectrum of the hobby.
> 
> If we want to 'raise the level of politeness' on 75m, then let's get 
> AM'ers on
> the band, starting from 3.753, and getting a qso going every 6kc up 
> the band.
> 
> Getting everyone on, at the same time, is a logistical nightmare, 
> but a -lot- of
> people have a -lot- more free-time during the holiday season.
> 
> Any suggestions as to when this should happen?
> 
> 73 = Best Regards,
> -Geoff/W5OMR

Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window

[Paul Sokoloff]

Hello gentlemen,
I have been enjoying the conversation here and I agree with Geoff.  As a
relatively new AMer we need to find a hole and call CQ.  The trick is that
the rest of us have to tune the entire band looking for QSOs.
I had an interesting experience a few Saturday evenings ago.  There were
NO QSOs in the AM window at 10pm.  I called CQ for 30 minutes and got no
response.  What happened to everyone?
There are a few AM folks here in the northeast who use somewhat
offensive language on the air.  It is really ashame and does give us a bad
name.  Anyway enjoy the bands while we have them.  See you on the air.

73s,  Paul   WA3GFZ



- Original Message - 
From: "Geoff/W5OMR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window


>
> > Quote - "...to have a one to one contact but if this were the case then
> > 3880-3890 will only have 6 AM Stations on it at a time."
>
> > You hit the nail on the head. So I guess, unless I want to break into a
> > one-on-one discussion, even through I may have no interest in what the
> > discussion is about, I should shut down the rig and go and do something
> > else. Unfortunately, my perception of many "AM Windowers" is like timid
> > sheep in a pen with no gate.
>
> Nothing anywhere says you can not operate AM mode anywhere in the
> phone band your license will allow you to operate.
>
> There is no "Window", just a calling freq of 3.885.  Same on 10m - the AM
> calling frequency is 29.00.  Just like 146.52, and 52.525Mc, those simplex
> "calling frequencies" are just that, and as soon as you establish contact,
> move off of the calling frequency (where*EVER* you can find a clear spot)
> and move your conversation (phone)/QSO (CW) there.  (CW is allowed
> everywhere still, right? ;-))
>
> So, if I call CQ on 3.885, and there's an AM conversation on 3.880 and
another
> on 3.890, I'm gonna go hunt up/down and find a hole somewhere else that
> this station and I can mutually work, together.  I, being the Extra, would
ask
> the other party where he'd be comfortable at.  3.870?  3.875?  3.753.45?
>  I -have-
> a VFO, so it don't matter.
>
> Speaking of which... Not Having a VFO is no excuse, either.  If you've a
> crystal, you can feed a vfo signal in that same socket.  Even if it's only
a
> low-
> level output from a ricebox, you can feed a small amount of RF in there,
to
> make that old rig frequency agile.
>
> I conlude that the general concession is that a lot of the "local
discussions"
> on
> 75m is, well.. let's just say it's not fit for mixed company.  Not that
I'm a
> prude,
> but I also get that more gentlemen operate AM than there are Gentlemen on
> most SSB frequencies.  Being polite Gentlemen, and not being diliberate,
why
> -not- fire up AM QSO's, starting at 3.753 (if the frequency is clear) and
having
> a pair of guys every 6kc (when possible) and fill the whole cotton pickin'
band
> with AM.  THEN, when the Sidebanders whine and complain about ALL the
> AM, we -could- say "Fine.  We'll confine ourselves to these 30kc *if* you
> keep your SSB QSO's off of say between 3.860 to 3.890."  But, then that
puts
> us back in a "window" or a box, if you will.  No.. upon further
reflection, I
> believe that operating an AM rig anywhere you're allowed phone operation
> is what the answer is.  Being limited to 3.870/75/80/85 and 90 on 75m
is -not-
> conducive to further growth of our little spectrum of the hobby.
>
> If we want to 'raise the level of politeness' on 75m, then let's get
AM'ers on
> the band, starting from 3.753, and getting a qso going every 6kc up the
band.
>
> Getting everyone on, at the same time, is a logistical nightmare, but
a -lot- of
> people have a -lot- more free-time during the holiday season.
>
> Any suggestions as to when this should happen?
>
> 73 = Best Regards,
> -Geoff/W5OMR
>
>
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Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window

[Patrick Jankowiak]

google search K1MAN.. Gee, I had no idea what a character this 
guy is. If he's really making these lengthy broadcasts and 
ranting on, etc.., then he's doing no more good than I was years 
ago when I used to have my weekly go at CB channel 30 with a 
pre-recorded 'program material' including music and old 
commercials from the '50's. At least my 'show' was entertaining 
-and it was not on the ham equivalent of 'channel 19'.


Patrick Jankowiak
Reformed CB nut

Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window

[Geoff/W5OMR]

> Quote - "...to have a one to one contact but if this were the case then
> 3880-3890 will only have 6 AM Stations on it at a time."

> You hit the nail on the head. So I guess, unless I want to break into a
> one-on-one discussion, even through I may have no interest in what the
> discussion is about, I should shut down the rig and go and do something
> else. Unfortunately, my perception of many "AM Windowers" is like timid
> sheep in a pen with no gate.

Nothing anywhere says you can not operate AM mode anywhere in the
phone band your license will allow you to operate.

There is no "Window", just a calling freq of 3.885.  Same on 10m - the AM
calling frequency is 29.00.  Just like 146.52, and 52.525Mc, those simplex
"calling frequencies" are just that, and as soon as you establish contact,
move off of the calling frequency (where*EVER* you can find a clear spot)
and move your conversation (phone)/QSO (CW) there.  (CW is allowed
everywhere still, right? ;-))

So, if I call CQ on 3.885, and there's an AM conversation on 3.880 and another
on 3.890, I'm gonna go hunt up/down and find a hole somewhere else that
this station and I can mutually work, together.  I, being the Extra, would ask
the other party where he'd be comfortable at.  3.870?  3.875?  3.753.45?
 I -have-
a VFO, so it don't matter.

Speaking of which... Not Having a VFO is no excuse, either.  If you've a
crystal, you can feed a vfo signal in that same socket.  Even if it's only a
low-
level output from a ricebox, you can feed a small amount of RF in there, to
make that old rig frequency agile.

I conlude that the general concession is that a lot of the "local discussions"
on
75m is, well.. let's just say it's not fit for mixed company.  Not that I'm a
prude,
but I also get that more gentlemen operate AM than there are Gentlemen on
most SSB frequencies.  Being polite Gentlemen, and not being diliberate, why
-not- fire up AM QSO's, starting at 3.753 (if the frequency is clear) and having
a pair of guys every 6kc (when possible) and fill the whole cotton pickin' band
with AM.  THEN, when the Sidebanders whine and complain about ALL the
AM, we -could- say "Fine.  We'll confine ourselves to these 30kc *if* you
keep your SSB QSO's off of say between 3.860 to 3.890."  But, then that puts
us back in a "window" or a box, if you will.  No.. upon further reflection, I
believe that operating an AM rig anywhere you're allowed phone operation
is what the answer is.  Being limited to 3.870/75/80/85 and 90 on 75m is -not-
conducive to further growth of our little spectrum of the hobby.

If we want to 'raise the level of politeness' on 75m, then let's get AM'ers on
the band, starting from 3.753, and getting a qso going every 6kc up the band.

Getting everyone on, at the same time, is a logistical nightmare, but a -lot- of
people have a -lot- more free-time during the holiday season.

Any suggestions as to when this should happen?

73 = Best Regards,
-Geoff/W5OMR

Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window

[peter A Markavage]

Like Dennis, as far back as I can remember, 75 meters has been the "Wild
West" of amateur radio followed closely by 20 meters. I very rarely
experience or hear this type of wild and unruly activity on other bands,
except for contest weekends.

Pete, wa2cwa

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 19:35:09 -0500 "Brian Carling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> It's always been like that?
> What, with people just cranking up a group on top of an 
> existing QSO that they can readily HEAR and insulting them?
> 
> On 21 Dec 2004 at 17:56, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > 
> > In a message dated 12/21/04 2:05:55 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> writes:
> > 
> > 
> > > You won't get much courtesy and respect on 75m SSB.
> > > 
> > 
> > I was first licensed back in 1951 and in my experience 75M has 
> always been 
> > like that, whatever the 
> > mode.   Also very busy during the prime operating hours, so it has 
> seldom 
> > been a matter of finding a "clear" frequency, but rather one of 
> looking for a 
> > "thin" spot in the din in which to operate.   However, 75 is now 
> virtually 
> > deserted during the day, at least out here on the West Coast.   
> Last month we ran a 
> > local MRCG "Field Day" down in San Pedro and monopolized 3860 - 
> 3900 all 
> > morning with no problem at all.
> > 
> > Typically, though, more SSB activity than AM in "the window" out 
> here.
> > 
> > Dennis D. W7QHO
> > Glendale, CA

Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window

[peter A Markavage]

Quote - "other than common sense,  you can be a gentleman without
requiring rules." 
Unfortunately, the FCC rules and regulations are vague on the definition 
of "common sense". In the typical underworld swill of evenings on 75,
only stiff enforcement of rules and regulations for all amateurs will
make a difference.

Quote - "Many rigs used have no VFOs so the AM Window  is not imaginary
at all,  it's rather a necessity to some and very much respected by
others."
This is somewhat analogous to the statement that I've heard several times
on the air,  "my antenna is only cut for 3885".

Quote - "...to have a one to one contact but if this were the case then
3880-3890 will only have 6 AM Stations on it at a time."
You hit the nail on the head. So I guess, unless I want to break into a
one-on-one discussion, even through I may have no interest in what the
discussion is about, I should shut down the rig and go and do something
else. Unfortunately, my perception of many "AM Windowers" is like timid
sheep in a pen with no gate.

Pete, wa2cwa

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 19:17:34 -0500 Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> No Peter, the FCC will not step in when an ssb qso fires up on or 
> near 
> the AM Window however,  the FCC won't  take a complaint from 3878 or 
> 
> 3893 about an AM sig being wide too seriously either.  There are far 
> 
> more  disturbing things going on in  75m than a signal  nearby.
> Nothing in the FCC rules states this other than common sense,  you 
> can 
> be a gentleman without requiring rules.  Many rigs used have no 
> VFOs
> so the AM Window  is not imaginary at all,  it's rather a necessity 
> to 
> some and very much respected by others.
> As for my assumption about limiting exchanges to 3 minutes and 
> allowing  
> 10 seconds for others, I don't disagree with you on some AMrs 
> want 
> to have a one to one contact but if this were the case then 
> 3880-3890 
> will only have 6 AM Stations on it at a time.
> If only we could in a perfect world.
> 73 Chris VE3NGW/W4 Florida
> 
> peter A Markavage wrote:
> 
> >Quote - "The FCC recognizes the AM Windows so currently any nearby
> >complaints are neutralized."
> >
> >Show me where in the FCC Rules and regulations this is documented. 
> Do you
> >really think that if a SSB QSO fires up on 3880 or 3878 (which 
> happens
> >quite often) the FCC will step in and tell them to move??
> >
> >Quote - "Perhaps limiting the transmission to less than three 
> minutes at
> >a time with 10 seconds of space in between for other stations 
> breaking in
> >
> >would be advantageous in many ways.  There are many AMrs waiting to 
> get
> >in to a group but never get the chance.
> >If the AM window is used this way it would allow many stations to 
> operate
> >well,  even within the two or three spaces of the  3880-90kHz "
> >
> >The assumption here is many AM'ers want to talk in a group which 
> is
> >probably a bad assumption. Many hams enjoy having a one on one 
> discussion
> >whereas "groups" generally evolve into discussions that target only
> >certain members in the group. 
> >
> >Pete, wa2cwa
> >
> >On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:03:22 -0500 Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >  
> >
> >>Bob,  I agree with you.   No matter where we move there will be 
> >>problems 
> >>with the near by SSB groups.
> >> They are spread very evenly across the band with no space in 
> >>between 
> >>for an AM signal during prime time.
> >>The FCC recognizes the AM Windows so currently any nearby 
> complaints 
> >>are 
> >>neutralized.
> >>By using the rest of the band to illustrate a point will only lead 
> 
> >>to 
> >>more interference and valid complaints by SSB groups.
> >>Remember last year how many petitions were sent regarding 
> Bandwidth 
> >>and 
> >>Power??  
> >> Perhaps limiting the transmission to less than three minutes at a 
> 
> >>time 
> >>with 10 seconds of space in between for other stations breaking in 
> 
> >>would 
> >>be advantageous in many ways.  There are many AMrs waiting to get 
> in 
> >>to 
> >>a group but never get the chance.
> >>  If the AM window is used this way it would allow many stations 
> to 
> >>
> >>operate well,  even within the two or three spaces of the  
> >>3880-90kHz 
> >>window.
> >>73 Chris   VE3NGW/W4 Florida

Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window

[Brian Carling]

It's always been like that?
What, with people just cranking up a group on top of an 
existing QSO that they can readily HEAR and insulting them?

On 21 Dec 2004 at 17:56, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> 
> In a message dated 12/21/04 2:05:55 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> 
> > You won't get much courtesy and respect on 75m SSB.
> > 
> 
> I was first licensed back in 1951 and in my experience 75M has always been 
> like that, whatever the 
> mode.   Also very busy during the prime operating hours, so it has seldom 
> been a matter of finding a "clear" frequency, but rather one of looking for a 
> "thin" spot in the din in which to operate.   However, 75 is now virtually 
> deserted during the day, at least out here on the West Coast.   Last month we 
> ran a 
> local MRCG "Field Day" down in San Pedro and monopolized 3860 - 3900 all 
> morning with no problem at all.
> 
> Typically, though, more SSB activity than AM in "the window" out here.
> 
> Dennis D. W7QHO
> Glendale, CA
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Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window

[Chris]

No Peter, the FCC will not step in when an ssb qso fires up on or near 
the AM Window however,  the FCC won't  take a complaint from 3878 or 
3893 about an AM sig being wide too seriously either.  There are far 
more  disturbing things going on in  75m than a signal  nearby.
Nothing in the FCC rules states this other than common sense,  you can 
be a gentleman without requiring rules.  Many rigs used have no VFOs
so the AM Window  is not imaginary at all,  it's rather a necessity to 
some and very much respected by others.
As for my assumption about limiting exchanges to 3 minutes and allowing  
10 seconds for others, I don't disagree with you on some AMrs want 
to have a one to one contact but if this were the case then 3880-3890 
will only have 6 AM Stations on it at a time.

If only we could in a perfect world.
73 Chris VE3NGW/W4 Florida

peter A Markavage wrote:


Quote - "The FCC recognizes the AM Windows so currently any nearby
complaints are neutralized."

Show me where in the FCC Rules and regulations this is documented. Do you
really think that if a SSB QSO fires up on 3880 or 3878 (which happens
quite often) the FCC will step in and tell them to move??

Quote - "Perhaps limiting the transmission to less than three minutes at
a time with 10 seconds of space in between for other stations breaking in

would be advantageous in many ways.  There are many AMrs waiting to get
in to a group but never get the chance.
If the AM window is used this way it would allow many stations to operate
well,  even within the two or three spaces of the  3880-90kHz "

The assumption here is many AM'ers want to talk in a group which is
probably a bad assumption. Many hams enjoy having a one on one discussion
whereas "groups" generally evolve into discussions that target only
certain members in the group. 


Pete, wa2cwa

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:03:22 -0500 Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
 

Bob,  I agree with you.   No matter where we move there will be 
problems 
with the near by SSB groups.
They are spread very evenly across the band with no space in 
between 
for an AM signal during prime time.
The FCC recognizes the AM Windows so currently any nearby complaints 
are 
neutralized.
By using the rest of the band to illustrate a point will only lead 
to 
more interference and valid complaints by SSB groups.
Remember last year how many petitions were sent regarding Bandwidth 
and 
Power??  
Perhaps limiting the transmission to less than three minutes at a 
time 
with 10 seconds of space in between for other stations breaking in 
would 
be advantageous in many ways.  There are many AMrs waiting to get in 
to 
a group but never get the chance.
 If the AM window is used this way it would allow many stations to 

operate well,  even within the two or three spaces of the  
3880-90kHz 
window.

73 Chris   VE3NGW/W4 Florida

Rbethman wrote:

   

I am a FIRM advocate and believer of the "Gentleman's Agreement" 
philosophy regarding the existence and use of the AM Window.


It seems to me an issue of courtesy and respect to have and use 
 

these 
   


agreements.

Yes, there will ALWAYS be some that will NOT honor such, BUT - we 
 

are 
   

better off doing this amongst ourselves in lieu of the FCC and/or 
 

ARRL 
   


becoming involved in some "phony" band/mode plan.

Bob - N0DGN
 


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Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window

[peter A Markavage]

Quote - "The FCC recognizes the AM Windows so currently any nearby
complaints are neutralized."

Show me where in the FCC Rules and regulations this is documented. Do you
really think that if a SSB QSO fires up on 3880 or 3878 (which happens
quite often) the FCC will step in and tell them to move??

Quote - "Perhaps limiting the transmission to less than three minutes at
a time with 10 seconds of space in between for other stations breaking in

would be advantageous in many ways.  There are many AMrs waiting to get
in to a group but never get the chance.
If the AM window is used this way it would allow many stations to operate
well,  even within the two or three spaces of the  3880-90kHz "

The assumption here is many AM'ers want to talk in a group which is
probably a bad assumption. Many hams enjoy having a one on one discussion
whereas "groups" generally evolve into discussions that target only
certain members in the group. 

Pete, wa2cwa

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:03:22 -0500 Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Bob,  I agree with you.   No matter where we move there will be 
> problems 
> with the near by SSB groups.
>  They are spread very evenly across the band with no space in 
> between 
> for an AM signal during prime time.
> The FCC recognizes the AM Windows so currently any nearby complaints 
> are 
> neutralized.
> By using the rest of the band to illustrate a point will only lead 
> to 
> more interference and valid complaints by SSB groups.
> Remember last year how many petitions were sent regarding Bandwidth 
> and 
> Power??  
>  Perhaps limiting the transmission to less than three minutes at a 
> time 
> with 10 seconds of space in between for other stations breaking in 
> would 
> be advantageous in many ways.  There are many AMrs waiting to get in 
> to 
> a group but never get the chance.
>   If the AM window is used this way it would allow many stations to 
> 
> operate well,  even within the two or three spaces of the  
> 3880-90kHz 
> window.
> 73 Chris   VE3NGW/W4 Florida
> 
> Rbethman wrote:
> 
> > I am a FIRM advocate and believer of the "Gentleman's Agreement" 
> > philosophy regarding the existence and use of the AM Window.
> >
> > It seems to me an issue of courtesy and respect to have and use 
> these 
> > agreements.
> >
> > Yes, there will ALWAYS be some that will NOT honor such, BUT - we 
> are 
> > better off doing this amongst ourselves in lieu of the FCC and/or 
> ARRL 
> > becoming involved in some "phony" band/mode plan.
> >
> > Bob - N0DGN

Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window

[Brian Carling]

AM guys...

You won't get much courtesy and respect on 75m SSB.
We found that out on 3915 kilo-sickles last Saturday. 
Another station and I were talking and some guys deliberately 
cranked up on top of us with high power and started making rude 
remarks about us being 25 Hz above "THEIR FREQUENCY" and 
yada yada yada. Before you knew it there were three of these damn 
ignorant SOBs rudely drowning us out. We quit.

I dislike 75m phone. If I had a QRO phone station especially for 
AM it would be better. This was daytime. There is no longer any 
mutual respect among hams on 75m than among CBers, which is 
where most of the bad operators came from, NOT that all 
ex-CB folks are bad ops.  A lot make fine hams if they have an
ounce of character to begin with. SOme just needed their 
behinds whooped long ago but their mothers weren't around. 

So, if you are going to spread out, be prepared for some 
opposition among the criminal element that is now occupying 
large swaths up and down 75m.

On 21 Dec 2004 at 13:01, Rbethman wrote:

> I am a FIRM advocate and believer of the "Gentleman's Agreement" 
> philosophy regarding the existence and use of the AM Window.
> 
> It seems to me an issue of courtesy and respect to have and use these 
> agreements.
> 
> Yes, there will ALWAYS be some that will NOT honor such, BUT - we are 
> better off doing this amongst ourselves in lieu of the FCC and/or ARRL 
> becoming involved in some "phony" band/mode plan.
> 
> Bob - N0DGN
> 
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Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window

[Chris]

Bob,  I agree with you.   No matter where we move there will be problems 
with the near by SSB groups.
They are spread very evenly across the band with no space in between 
for an AM signal during prime time.
The FCC recognizes the AM Windows so currently any nearby complaints are 
neutralized.
By using the rest of the band to illustrate a point will only lead to 
more interference and valid complaints by SSB groups.
Remember last year how many petitions were sent regarding Bandwidth and 
Power??  
Perhaps limiting the transmission to less than three minutes at a time 
with 10 seconds of space in between for other stations breaking in would 
be advantageous in many ways.  There are many AMrs waiting to get in to 
a group but never get the chance.
 If the AM window is used this way it would allow many stations to 
operate well,  even within the two or three spaces of the  3880-90kHz 
window.

73 Chris   VE3NGW/W4 Florida

Rbethman wrote:

I am a FIRM advocate and believer of the "Gentleman's Agreement" 
philosophy regarding the existence and use of the AM Window.


It seems to me an issue of courtesy and respect to have and use these 
agreements.


Yes, there will ALWAYS be some that will NOT honor such, BUT - we are 
better off doing this amongst ourselves in lieu of the FCC and/or ARRL 
becoming involved in some "phony" band/mode plan.


Bob - N0DGN

Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window

[peter A Markavage]

Go here for a view of the area in Maine:
http://www.k1man.com/web16/Page_30x.html
or go here and poke around, http://www.k1man.com/web16/Page_1x.html

Pete, wa2cwa

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 14:36:28 -0500 "Chris K." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Does anyone know where K1MAN is really broadcasting from?
> Transmitter site and studio site.  What does he use for equipment 
> and
> antenna?
> Thanks,  73, Chris VE3NGW/W4 Florida

Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window

[peter A Markavage]

Whether it's true or not, I have no idea. Maybe we should check the
"urban legend" web site. If you use published band plans as a guide,
there are none that I know of that defines an "AM Window" nor should
there be. If one was sent, it would have no merit or legal ramifications,
unless the AM'er was causing interference to an on going QSO (one that
was already in progress when the AM'er fired up) and even then, the
request should be to QSY to a clear, noninterferring frequency and not to
an imaginary window.

Pete, wa2cwa


On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:05:43 -0400 "David Knepper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> Thanks, Pete.  My license does not restrict me from operating AM 
> anywhere in
> the Extra Class portion of 75 meters.  Of course, I try to limit my
> operation and the CRA Collins Net to no more than 1/2 hour but if 
> more folks
> check in then, of course, we will hold down 3805 + or -.
> 
> Someone told me once that Mr. Hollingsworth a letter to a ham,  who 
> was
> operating AM below 3830 Khz,  to gently remind him to restrict his 
> operation
> to the AM Window.  Has anyone heard about this letter?
> 
> Dave, W3ST
> Publisher of the Collins Journal
> Secretary to the Collins Radio Association
> www.collinsra.com
> Nets:  3805 Khz, Monday/Wednesdays 8 PM EDST
>   14250 Khz Saturday, 12 Noon EDST
> 
> - Original Message -----
> From: "peter A Markavage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 2:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window
> 
> 
> > There ya go. Dave's on the ball. And come join "bunches" of us 
> most
> > weekends somewhere below 3860. There more to AM than just 20 KHz 
> of
> > operating frequencies. You might even convert a sidebander or two 
> to
> > press that AM button on their rig.
> >
> > Pete, wa2cwa
> >
> > On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:23:31 -0400 "David Knepper" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > writes:
> > > Join us on AM every Wednesday at 3805 Khz beginning at 8 PM for 
> the
> > > CRA
> > > Collins Net.
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > > Dave, W3ST
> > > Publisher of the Collins Journal
> > > Secretary to the Collins Radio Association
> > > www.collinsra.com
> > > Nets:  3805 Khz, Monday/Wednesdays 8 PM EDST
> > >   14250 Khz Saturday, 12 Noon EDST
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "peter A Markavage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: 
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 2:18 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window
> > >
> > >
> > > > Sort of like the early 60's in the South; some have to sit at 
> the
> > > back of
> > > > the bus. The band/mode plan will most probably fly in some 
> form in
> > > the
> > > > future. We, as AM'ers, need to be more integrated into the 
> main
> > > stream of
> > > > phone activity throughout the bands as we move into 2005 and
> > > beyond. The
> > > > "old" days are going fast. Hanging on to an imaginary window 
> is
> > > probably
> > > > counterproductive as new modes become more common on the 
> bands.
> > > >
> > > > Pete, wa2cwa
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:01:38 -0500 Rbethman
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > writes:
> > > > > I am a FIRM advocate and believer of the "Gentleman's
> > > Agreement"
> > > > > philosophy regarding the existence and use of the AM 
> Window.
> > > > >
> > > > > It seems to me an issue of courtesy and respect to have and 
> use
> > > > > these
> > > > > agreements.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, there will ALWAYS be some that will NOT honor such, BUT 
> -
> > > we
> > > > > are
> > > > > better off doing this amongst ourselves in lieu of the FCC
> > > and/or
> > > > > ARRL
> > > > > becoming involved in some "phony" band/mode plan.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bob - N0DGN

RE: [AMRadio] The AM Window

[Schichler, Don]

The transmitter is in Belgrade Lakes, Maine.  It appears to be operated by
remote control from an undisclosed location.

73, Don K2FY

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chris K.
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 2:36 PM
To: Discussion of AM Radio
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window


Does anyone know where K1MAN is really broadcasting from?
Transmitter site and studio site.  What does he use for equipment and
antenna?
Thanks,  73, Chris VE3NGW/W4 Florida
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Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window

[David Knepper]

"sent a letter"

Dave, W3ST
Publisher of the Collins Journal
Secretary to the Collins Radio Association
www.collinsra.com
Nets:  3805 Khz, Monday/Wednesdays 8 PM EDST
  14250 Khz Saturday, 12 Noon EDST

- Original Message -
From: "David Knepper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window


> Thanks, Pete.  My license does not restrict me from operating AM anywhere
in
> the Extra Class portion of 75 meters.  Of course, I try to limit my
> operation and the CRA Collins Net to no more than 1/2 hour but if more
folks
> check in then, of course, we will hold down 3805 + or -.
>
> Someone told me once that Mr. Hollingsworth a letter to a ham,  who was
> operating AM below 3830 Khz,  to gently remind him to restrict his
operation
> to the AM Window.  Has anyone heard about this letter?
>
> Dave, W3ST
> Publisher of the Collins Journal
> Secretary to the Collins Radio Association
> www.collinsra.com
> Nets:  3805 Khz, Monday/Wednesdays 8 PM EDST
>   14250 Khz Saturday, 12 Noon EDST
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "peter A Markavage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 2:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window
>
>
> > There ya go. Dave's on the ball. And come join "bunches" of us most
> > weekends somewhere below 3860. There more to AM than just 20 KHz of
> > operating frequencies. You might even convert a sidebander or two to
> > press that AM button on their rig.
> >
> > Pete, wa2cwa
> >
> > On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:23:31 -0400 "David Knepper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > writes:
> > > Join us on AM every Wednesday at 3805 Khz beginning at 8 PM for the
> > > CRA
> > > Collins Net.
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > > Dave, W3ST
> > > Publisher of the Collins Journal
> > > Secretary to the Collins Radio Association
> > > www.collinsra.com
> > > Nets:  3805 Khz, Monday/Wednesdays 8 PM EDST
> > >   14250 Khz Saturday, 12 Noon EDST
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "peter A Markavage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: 
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 2:18 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window
> > >
> > >
> > > > Sort of like the early 60's in the South; some have to sit at the
> > > back of
> > > > the bus. The band/mode plan will most probably fly in some form in
> > > the
> > > > future. We, as AM'ers, need to be more integrated into the main
> > > stream of
> > > > phone activity throughout the bands as we move into 2005 and
> > > beyond. The
> > > > "old" days are going fast. Hanging on to an imaginary window is
> > > probably
> > > > counterproductive as new modes become more common on the bands.
> > > >
> > > > Pete, wa2cwa
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:01:38 -0500 Rbethman
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > writes:
> > > > > I am a FIRM advocate and believer of the "Gentleman's
> > > Agreement"
> > > > > philosophy regarding the existence and use of the AM Window.
> > > > >
> > > > > It seems to me an issue of courtesy and respect to have and use
> > > > > these
> > > > > agreements.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, there will ALWAYS be some that will NOT honor such, BUT -
> > > we
> > > > > are
> > > > > better off doing this amongst ourselves in lieu of the FCC
> > > and/or
> > > > > ARRL
> > > > > becoming involved in some "phony" band/mode plan.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bob - N0DGN
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Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window

[David Knepper]

Thanks, Pete.  My license does not restrict me from operating AM anywhere in
the Extra Class portion of 75 meters.  Of course, I try to limit my
operation and the CRA Collins Net to no more than 1/2 hour but if more folks
check in then, of course, we will hold down 3805 + or -.

Someone told me once that Mr. Hollingsworth a letter to a ham,  who was
operating AM below 3830 Khz,  to gently remind him to restrict his operation
to the AM Window.  Has anyone heard about this letter?

Dave, W3ST
Publisher of the Collins Journal
Secretary to the Collins Radio Association
www.collinsra.com
Nets:  3805 Khz, Monday/Wednesdays 8 PM EDST
  14250 Khz Saturday, 12 Noon EDST

- Original Message -
From: "peter A Markavage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window


> There ya go. Dave's on the ball. And come join "bunches" of us most
> weekends somewhere below 3860. There more to AM than just 20 KHz of
> operating frequencies. You might even convert a sidebander or two to
> press that AM button on their rig.
>
> Pete, wa2cwa
>
> On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:23:31 -0400 "David Knepper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> writes:
> > Join us on AM every Wednesday at 3805 Khz beginning at 8 PM for the
> > CRA
> > Collins Net.
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > Dave, W3ST
> > Publisher of the Collins Journal
> > Secretary to the Collins Radio Association
> > www.collinsra.com
> > Nets:  3805 Khz, Monday/Wednesdays 8 PM EDST
> >   14250 Khz Saturday, 12 Noon EDST
> >
> > ----- Original Message -
> > From: "peter A Markavage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 2:18 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window
> >
> >
> > > Sort of like the early 60's in the South; some have to sit at the
> > back of
> > > the bus. The band/mode plan will most probably fly in some form in
> > the
> > > future. We, as AM'ers, need to be more integrated into the main
> > stream of
> > > phone activity throughout the bands as we move into 2005 and
> > beyond. The
> > > "old" days are going fast. Hanging on to an imaginary window is
> > probably
> > > counterproductive as new modes become more common on the bands.
> > >
> > > Pete, wa2cwa
> > >
> > > On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:01:38 -0500 Rbethman
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > writes:
> > > > I am a FIRM advocate and believer of the "Gentleman's
> > Agreement"
> > > > philosophy regarding the existence and use of the AM Window.
> > > >
> > > > It seems to me an issue of courtesy and respect to have and use
> > > > these
> > > > agreements.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, there will ALWAYS be some that will NOT honor such, BUT -
> > we
> > > > are
> > > > better off doing this amongst ourselves in lieu of the FCC
> > and/or
> > > > ARRL
> > > > becoming involved in some "phony" band/mode plan.
> > > >
> > > > Bob - N0DGN
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Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window

[Chris K.]

Does anyone know where K1MAN is really broadcasting from?
Transmitter site and studio site.  What does he use for equipment and
antenna?
Thanks,  73, Chris VE3NGW/W4 Florida

Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window

[peter A Markavage]

There isn't any space dedicated to AM; likewise there isn't any space
dedicated to SSB. There is a phone segment and CW segment. On 75, you can
operate AM on 150 KHz if General Class, 225 KHz if Advanced Class, and
250 KHz if Extra Class. More than enough room. Forget the word "window".

Pete, wa2cwa

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 14:14:27 -0500 "Schichler, Don"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I don't think the "AM Window" would be so bad if it was a little 
> wider, like
> around 40 or 50 KHZ.  Right now it seems like the most you can have 
> in the
> 20 KHZ window is 3 simultaneous AM QSO's without having overlap.  
> When K1MAN
> is on, that number gets knocked down to 1 or 2.  Of course, the 
> sidebanders
> might not tolerate any more space dedicated to AM.
> 
> Don K2FY
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of peter A 
> Markavage
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 1:49 PM
> To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window
> 
> 
> There ya go. Dave's on the ball. And come join "bunches" of us most
> weekends somewhere below 3860. There more to AM than just 20 KHz of
> operating frequencies. You might even convert a sidebander or two 
> to
> press that AM button on their rig.
> 
> Pete, wa2cwa
> 
> On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:23:31 -0400 "David Knepper" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> writes:
> > Join us on AM every Wednesday at 3805 Khz beginning at 8 PM for 
> the 
> > CRA
> > Collins Net.
> > 
> > Thank you.
> > 
> > Dave, W3ST
> > Publisher of the Collins Journal
> > Secretary to the Collins Radio Association
> > www.collinsra.com
> > Nets:  3805 Khz, Monday/Wednesdays 8 PM EDST
> >   14250 Khz Saturday, 12 Noon EDST
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "peter A Markavage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 2:18 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window
> > 
> > 
> > > Sort of like the early 60's in the South; some have to sit at 
> the 
> > back of
> > > the bus. The band/mode plan will most probably fly in some form 
> in 
> > the
> > > future. We, as AM'ers, need to be more integrated into the main 
> 
> > stream of
> > > phone activity throughout the bands as we move into 2005 and 
> > beyond. The
> > > "old" days are going fast. Hanging on to an imaginary window is 
> 
> > probably
> > > counterproductive as new modes become more common on the bands.
> > >
> > > Pete, wa2cwa
> > >
> > > On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:01:38 -0500 Rbethman 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > writes:
> > > > I am a FIRM advocate and believer of the "Gentleman's 
> > Agreement"
> > > > philosophy regarding the existence and use of the AM Window.
> > > >
> > > > It seems to me an issue of courtesy and respect to have and 
> use
> > > > these
> > > > agreements.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, there will ALWAYS be some that will NOT honor such, BUT - 
> 
> > we
> > > > are
> > > > better off doing this amongst ourselves in lieu of the FCC 
> > and/or
> > > > ARRL
> > > > becoming involved in some "phony" band/mode plan.
> > > >
> > > > Bob - N0DGN

RE: [AMRadio] The AM Window

[Schichler, Don]

I don't think the "AM Window" would be so bad if it was a little wider, like
around 40 or 50 KHZ.  Right now it seems like the most you can have in the
20 KHZ window is 3 simultaneous AM QSO's without having overlap.  When K1MAN
is on, that number gets knocked down to 1 or 2.  Of course, the sidebanders
might not tolerate any more space dedicated to AM.

Don K2FY

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of peter A Markavage
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 1:49 PM
To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window


There ya go. Dave's on the ball. And come join "bunches" of us most
weekends somewhere below 3860. There more to AM than just 20 KHz of
operating frequencies. You might even convert a sidebander or two to
press that AM button on their rig.

Pete, wa2cwa

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:23:31 -0400 "David Knepper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> Join us on AM every Wednesday at 3805 Khz beginning at 8 PM for the 
> CRA
> Collins Net.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Dave, W3ST
> Publisher of the Collins Journal
> Secretary to the Collins Radio Association
> www.collinsra.com
> Nets:  3805 Khz, Monday/Wednesdays 8 PM EDST
>   14250 Khz Saturday, 12 Noon EDST
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "peter A Markavage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 2:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window
> 
> 
> > Sort of like the early 60's in the South; some have to sit at the 
> back of
> > the bus. The band/mode plan will most probably fly in some form in 
> the
> > future. We, as AM'ers, need to be more integrated into the main 
> stream of
> > phone activity throughout the bands as we move into 2005 and 
> beyond. The
> > "old" days are going fast. Hanging on to an imaginary window is 
> probably
> > counterproductive as new modes become more common on the bands.
> >
> > Pete, wa2cwa
> >
> > On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:01:38 -0500 Rbethman 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > writes:
> > > I am a FIRM advocate and believer of the "Gentleman's 
> Agreement"
> > > philosophy regarding the existence and use of the AM Window.
> > >
> > > It seems to me an issue of courtesy and respect to have and use
> > > these
> > > agreements.
> > >
> > > Yes, there will ALWAYS be some that will NOT honor such, BUT - 
> we
> > > are
> > > better off doing this amongst ourselves in lieu of the FCC 
> and/or
> > > ARRL
> > > becoming involved in some "phony" band/mode plan.
> > >
> > > Bob - N0DGN
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Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window

[peter A Markavage]

There ya go. Dave's on the ball. And come join "bunches" of us most
weekends somewhere below 3860. There more to AM than just 20 KHz of
operating frequencies. You might even convert a sidebander or two to
press that AM button on their rig.

Pete, wa2cwa

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:23:31 -0400 "David Knepper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> Join us on AM every Wednesday at 3805 Khz beginning at 8 PM for the 
> CRA
> Collins Net.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Dave, W3ST
> Publisher of the Collins Journal
> Secretary to the Collins Radio Association
> www.collinsra.com
> Nets:  3805 Khz, Monday/Wednesdays 8 PM EDST
>   14250 Khz Saturday, 12 Noon EDST
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "peter A Markavage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 2:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window
> 
> 
> > Sort of like the early 60's in the South; some have to sit at the 
> back of
> > the bus. The band/mode plan will most probably fly in some form in 
> the
> > future. We, as AM'ers, need to be more integrated into the main 
> stream of
> > phone activity throughout the bands as we move into 2005 and 
> beyond. The
> > "old" days are going fast. Hanging on to an imaginary window is 
> probably
> > counterproductive as new modes become more common on the bands.
> >
> > Pete, wa2cwa
> >
> > On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:01:38 -0500 Rbethman 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > writes:
> > > I am a FIRM advocate and believer of the "Gentleman's 
> Agreement"
> > > philosophy regarding the existence and use of the AM Window.
> > >
> > > It seems to me an issue of courtesy and respect to have and use
> > > these
> > > agreements.
> > >
> > > Yes, there will ALWAYS be some that will NOT honor such, BUT - 
> we
> > > are
> > > better off doing this amongst ourselves in lieu of the FCC 
> and/or
> > > ARRL
> > > becoming involved in some "phony" band/mode plan.
> > >
> > > Bob - N0DGN

Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window

[David Knepper]

Join us on AM every Wednesday at 3805 Khz beginning at 8 PM for the CRA
Collins Net.

Thank you.

Dave, W3ST
Publisher of the Collins Journal
Secretary to the Collins Radio Association
www.collinsra.com
Nets:  3805 Khz, Monday/Wednesdays 8 PM EDST
  14250 Khz Saturday, 12 Noon EDST

- Original Message -
From: "peter A Markavage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window


> Sort of like the early 60's in the South; some have to sit at the back of
> the bus. The band/mode plan will most probably fly in some form in the
> future. We, as AM'ers, need to be more integrated into the main stream of
> phone activity throughout the bands as we move into 2005 and beyond. The
> "old" days are going fast. Hanging on to an imaginary window is probably
> counterproductive as new modes become more common on the bands.
>
> Pete, wa2cwa
>
> On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:01:38 -0500 Rbethman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> writes:
> > I am a FIRM advocate and believer of the "Gentleman's Agreement"
> > philosophy regarding the existence and use of the AM Window.
> >
> > It seems to me an issue of courtesy and respect to have and use
> > these
> > agreements.
> >
> > Yes, there will ALWAYS be some that will NOT honor such, BUT - we
> > are
> > better off doing this amongst ourselves in lieu of the FCC and/or
> > ARRL
> > becoming involved in some "phony" band/mode plan.
> >
> > Bob - N0DGN
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Re: [AMRadio] The AM Window

[peter A Markavage]

Sort of like the early 60's in the South; some have to sit at the back of
the bus. The band/mode plan will most probably fly in some form in the
future. We, as AM'ers, need to be more integrated into the main stream of
phone activity throughout the bands as we move into 2005 and beyond. The
"old" days are going fast. Hanging on to an imaginary window is probably
counterproductive as new modes become more common on the bands.

Pete, wa2cwa

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:01:38 -0500 Rbethman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> I am a FIRM advocate and believer of the "Gentleman's Agreement" 
> philosophy regarding the existence and use of the AM Window.
> 
> It seems to me an issue of courtesy and respect to have and use 
> these 
> agreements.
> 
> Yes, there will ALWAYS be some that will NOT honor such, BUT - we 
> are 
> better off doing this amongst ourselves in lieu of the FCC and/or 
> ARRL 
> becoming involved in some "phony" band/mode plan.
> 
> Bob - N0DGN