[amsat-bb] Re: satellite VUCC #210!

[Jim Bennett]

Way to go Patrick.  

Still waiting for mine.

Jim
Ke4kol

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Behalf Of Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 5:13 PM
To: amsat-bb@amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] satellite VUCC #210!

Hi!

After I resubmitted my satellite VUCC application last Tuesday (10th)
through the Logbook of the World, things seem to be working so much 
better.  That application was approved the day after I submitted it 
(Wednesday, 11 May).  Then the VUCC certificate and pin were mailed 
from ARRL on Thursday according to the postmark on the cardboard 
mailing tube, and it was in my mailbox today.  Now this is how the 
electronic VUCC application process should work.  Again, thanks to 
those who have submitted their logs to the LOTW system.  I'm now at 
114 confirmed via LOTW, as one more grid was confirmed in the past 
few days since my application was processed.

I'm happy that ARRL was able to process this application in a way
much more timely than my original VUCC application back in February.
I think there are still some bugs in the process of moving VUCC into
the LOTW system, and maybe some will be able to talk with the ARRL
folks at Dayton later this week about that.  The document that John
K8YSE referenced earlier today about the discrepancy between VUCC
and DXCC application fees is an interesting read.  It shows what I
(and others) have felt about the VUCC fee structure.  This, too, 
is something that should be brought up to the ARRL at Dayton.  This
has already had an effect on whether hams will apply for - or get
endorsements for - VUCC awards.  

For those going to Dayton, have a great time!  

73!





Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK 
http://www.wd9ewk.net/




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[amsat-bb] Re: Dayton Frequency?

[KM9U]

Unfortunately, I am only going to be attending Saturday this year.

- Original Message - 
From: "Dave Taylor" 
To: "AMSAT BB" 
Cc: "KM9U" 
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 20:43
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: Dayton Frequency?


> Don't overlook the various events described on the AMSAT web site.   The 
> Thursday night gathering and Friday banquet are particularly good  times 
> to meet and hob-nob with your fellow satellite users.
>
> -- Dave, W8AAS
>
>
> On May 16, 2011, at 8:36 PM, KM9U wrote:
>
>> Well, its beginning to sound like I'd be better off using a cell 
>> phone...so sad. My number is area code 3 one seven, 5 zero fore,   fife 
>> six four too
>>
>> KM9U
>> .
>> - Original Message - From: "Dave Taylor" > >
>> To: "AMSAT BB" 
>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 20:14
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Dayton Frequency?
>>
>>
>>> Those repeaters have been suggested by AMSAT in the past because they
>>> are close to the Fairborn hotel where AMSAT has its room block and
>>> because the repeater owners have welcomed us.
>>>
>>> Setting the record straight, however, they do not belong to DARA;  they
>>> are run by the Upper Valley ARC.
>>>
>>> -- Dave, W8AAS
>>>   (looking forward to being home in Dayton again)
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 16, 2011, at 6:15 PM, Alan P. Biddle wrote:
>>>
 Chuck,

 Nominally, there are a couple of DARA repeaters which are suggested
 for
 AMSAT:

 145.410 MHz -600 KHz 118.8 Hz Pl
 442.375 MHz +5 MHz 118.8 HZ Pl

 I monitor them when driving around, but don't hear much AMSAT- specific
 traffic.  Friendly folks though!  Inside the arena, I don't even
 try, due to
 the intermod and general din.


 73s,

 Alan
 WA4SCA




 -Original Message-
 From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org]
 On
 Behalf Of KM9U
 Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 4:48 PM
 To: amsat-bb@amsat.org
 Subject: [amsat-bb] Dayton Frequency?

 I plan to attend Dayton this year (first time since 1981) and would
 like to
 meet some of those that I've contacts with on the satellites.
 I was wondering if there might be an "agreed on"  2m or 70cm  frequency
 (other than the normal simplex frequencies) that has been
 established  for
 our "group"?

 Hope to see many of you in Dayton!
 73,
 Chuck, KM9U


>>
> 

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[amsat-bb] Re: Dayton Frequency?

[Dave Taylor]

Don't overlook the various events described on the AMSAT web site.   
The Thursday night gathering and Friday banquet are particularly good  
times to meet and hob-nob with your fellow satellite users.

-- Dave, W8AAS


On May 16, 2011, at 8:36 PM, KM9U wrote:

> Well, its beginning to sound like I'd be better off using a cell  
> phone...so sad. My number is area code 3 one seven, 5 zero fore,   
> fife six four too
>
> KM9U
> .
> - Original Message - From: "Dave Taylor"  >
> To: "AMSAT BB" 
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 20:14
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Dayton Frequency?
>
>
>> Those repeaters have been suggested by AMSAT in the past because they
>> are close to the Fairborn hotel where AMSAT has its room block and
>> because the repeater owners have welcomed us.
>>
>> Setting the record straight, however, they do not belong to DARA;  
>> they
>> are run by the Upper Valley ARC.
>>
>> -- Dave, W8AAS
>>   (looking forward to being home in Dayton again)
>>
>>
>> On May 16, 2011, at 6:15 PM, Alan P. Biddle wrote:
>>
>>> Chuck,
>>>
>>> Nominally, there are a couple of DARA repeaters which are suggested
>>> for
>>> AMSAT:
>>>
>>> 145.410 MHz -600 KHz 118.8 Hz Pl
>>> 442.375 MHz +5 MHz 118.8 HZ Pl
>>>
>>> I monitor them when driving around, but don't hear much AMSAT- 
>>> specific
>>> traffic.  Friendly folks though!  Inside the arena, I don't even
>>> try, due to
>>> the intermod and general din.
>>>
>>>
>>> 73s,
>>>
>>> Alan
>>> WA4SCA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of KM9U
>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 4:48 PM
>>> To: amsat-bb@amsat.org
>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Dayton Frequency?
>>>
>>> I plan to attend Dayton this year (first time since 1981) and would
>>> like to
>>> meet some of those that I've contacts with on the satellites.
>>> I was wondering if there might be an "agreed on"  2m or 70cm  
>>> frequency
>>> (other than the normal simplex frequencies) that has been
>>> established  for
>>> our "group"?
>>>
>>> Hope to see many of you in Dayton!
>>> 73,
>>> Chuck, KM9U
>>>
>>>
>

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[amsat-bb] Re: Dayton Frequency?

[KM9U]

- Original Message - 
From: "Alan P. Biddle" 
To: "'KM9U'" 
Cc: "AMSAT-BB" 
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 18:15
Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Dayton Frequency?


> Chuck,
>
> Nominally, there are a couple of DARA repeaters which are suggested for
> AMSAT:
>
> 145.410 MHz -600 KHz 118.8 Hz Pl
> 442.375 MHz +5 MHz 118.8 HZ Pl
>
> I monitor them when driving around, but don't hear much AMSAT-specific
> traffic.  Friendly folks though!  Inside the arena, I don't even try, due 
> to
> the intermod and general din.
>
>
> 73s,
>
> Alan
> WA4SCA
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On
> Behalf Of KM9U
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 4:48 PM
> To: amsat-bb@amsat.org
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Dayton Frequency?
>
> I plan to attend Dayton this year (first time since 1981) and would like 
> to
> meet some of those that I've contacts with on the satellites.
> I was wondering if there might be an "agreed on"  2m or 70cm frequency
> (other than the normal simplex frequencies) that has been established  for
> our "group"?
>
> Hope to see many of you in Dayton!
> 73,
> Chuck, KM9U
>
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[amsat-bb] Re: Dayton Frequency?

[Dave Taylor]

Those repeaters have been suggested by AMSAT in the past because they  
are close to the Fairborn hotel where AMSAT has its room block and  
because the repeater owners have welcomed us.

Setting the record straight, however, they do not belong to DARA; they  
are run by the Upper Valley ARC.

-- Dave, W8AAS
(looking forward to being home in Dayton again)


On May 16, 2011, at 6:15 PM, Alan P. Biddle wrote:

> Chuck,
>
> Nominally, there are a couple of DARA repeaters which are suggested  
> for
> AMSAT:
>
> 145.410 MHz -600 KHz 118.8 Hz Pl
> 442.375 MHz +5 MHz 118.8 HZ Pl
>
> I monitor them when driving around, but don't hear much AMSAT-specific
> traffic.  Friendly folks though!  Inside the arena, I don't even  
> try, due to
> the intermod and general din.
>
>
> 73s,
>
> Alan
> WA4SCA
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org]  
> On
> Behalf Of KM9U
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 4:48 PM
> To: amsat-bb@amsat.org
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Dayton Frequency?
>
> I plan to attend Dayton this year (first time since 1981) and would  
> like to
> meet some of those that I've contacts with on the satellites.
> I was wondering if there might be an "agreed on"  2m or 70cm frequency
> (other than the normal simplex frequencies) that has been  
> established  for
> our "group"?
>
> Hope to see many of you in Dayton!
> 73,
> Chuck, KM9U
>
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[amsat-bb] revised VUCC fees; comparison updated

[John Papay]

Chris, KC0YBM, discovered that the new VUCC application
form dated "May2011" has some reduced fees on it.  I have
revised my one page comparison accordingly.  It can be
downloaded at:  http://www.papays.com/vuccfees052011.pdf

The major concern is the initial application for VUCC compared
to DXCC.  If you submit 120 cards for your initial VUCC award,
you'll pay $35.00.  If you submit 120 cards for your initial
DXCC award, you will pay only $12.00!  This certainly discourages
participation in the VUCC program from those just starting out.

Note that once again fees were changed without any fanfare.  You
just download the application and see what they are.  Considering
all of the email we get from the ARRL, you would think that the new
fees would be announced via that venue. Just another point to discuss
with the ARRL.

Please print some copies of the new version and take them with
you to Dayton.  It will help put pressure on the situation.

73,
John K8YSE

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[amsat-bb] Re: Satellites Over US West Coast

[Alan P. Biddle]

Paul,

There are really only three possibilities.  Your QTH, your Keps, or your
system clock.  Fortunately, it is easy to find the culprit.

On the AMSAT predict page, select pass prediction, and then near the top of
the table, "View current location of FO-29."  That will bring up a real time
map.  Look at both maps, and make certain your QTH is correctly displayed on
both.  

Next, compare the AMSAT page position of the satellite with the real time
SATPC32 prediction.  (Both give the Sub-Satellite Points numerically, but
use different conventions.)  The maps are sufficiently different you may
need to wait until the satellite passes some readily identifiable point such
as a coastline to compare.  (Even if your QTH is wrong on one of the
programs, the current position should be correct.  If not, then your system
clock or Keps are suspect.)

If the QTH is good but the current satellite position is not, then on the
main SATPC32 page open the Satellites menu, and then check the Source Files
in the left window.  Make certain it is NASA.ALL and look at the very bottom
where it will give you the date File Date.  It should be today if you
updated it.  It is entirely possible to have a different source file than
NASA.ALL selected.  If it is an old one, then you will see an error.  Right
now, FO-29 agrees exactly on SATPC32, the AMSAT tracking page, and another
program I use.  (The are other issues which apply only to the ISS, but are
not a factor on FO-29 since it is "well behaved.")

There are some more obscure possibilities, but knowing the result of your
tests should allow us to narrow down the possibilities.

73s,

Alan
WA4SCA



 

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From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On
Behalf Of Paul Delaney - K6HR
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 5:18 PM
To: 'Andreas Junge'
Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Satellites Over US West Coast


OK now I'm getting somewhere!
My SatPC32 predictions DO NOT match the info on the AMSAT link below!

My location appears to be entered correctly into the tracking program, the
PC clock is correct and the keps are updated against the 'nasa.all' source.

AMSAT shows next FO-29 pass as 22:41:15 - 23:01:29

My SatPC32 shows FO-29 pass as 22:24:00 - 22:33:00

No wonder I don't hear anything!
Now...what could be wrong in my SatPC32 setup to cause this?


Paul Delaney - K6HR
paul.hamra...@verizon.net
http://k6hr.dyndns.org:8080 


Can you hear the beacon on FO-29? You also might have to adjust the uplink
frequency in he CAT menu in SatPC32 to find your signal. 

Do your SatPC32 predictions match the ones from the AMSAT online prediction?

http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/tools/predict/

i'd be happy to be on one of the passes to listen for you or transmit.

73,

Andreas, N6NU




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[amsat-bb] Re: Satellites Over US West Coast

[Andreas Junge]

Paul,

for each entry in the listbox (amateur.txt, geo.txt ...) highlight the entry 
and click "Update Keps" separately. 

73,

Andreas, N6NU

On May 16, 2011, at 3:17 PM, Paul Delaney - K6HR wrote:

> 
> OK now I'm getting somewhere!
> My SatPC32 predictions DO NOT match the info on the AMSAT link below!
> 
> My location appears to be entered correctly into the tracking program, the
> PC clock is correct and the keps are updated against the 'nasa.all' source.
> 
> AMSAT shows next FO-29 pass as 22:41:15 - 23:01:29
> 
> My SatPC32 shows FO-29 pass as 22:24:00 - 22:33:00
> 
> No wonder I don't hear anything!
> Now...what could be wrong in my SatPC32 setup to cause this?
> 
> 
> Paul Delaney - K6HR
> paul.hamra...@verizon.net
> http://k6hr.dyndns.org:8080 
> 
> 
> Can you hear the beacon on FO-29? You also might have to adjust the uplink
> frequency in he CAT menu in SatPC32 to find your signal. 
> 
> Do your SatPC32 predictions match the ones from the AMSAT online prediction?
> 
> http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/tools/predict/
> 
> i'd be happy to be on one of the passes to listen for you or transmit.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Andreas, N6NU
> 
> 
> 
> 


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[amsat-bb] Re: satellite VUCC #210!

[Ted]

CONGRATS Patrick !!!

73, Ted, K7TRK

-Original Message-
From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On
Behalf Of Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 2:13 PM
To: amsat-bb@amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] satellite VUCC #210!

Hi!

After I resubmitted my satellite VUCC application last Tuesday (10th)
through the Logbook of the World, things seem to be working so much 
better.  That application was approved the day after I submitted it 
(Wednesday, 11 May).  Then the VUCC certificate and pin were mailed 
from ARRL on Thursday according to the postmark on the cardboard 
mailing tube, and it was in my mailbox today.  Now this is how the 
electronic VUCC application process should work.  Again, thanks to 
those who have submitted their logs to the LOTW system.  I'm now at 
114 confirmed via LOTW, as one more grid was confirmed in the past 
few days since my application was processed.

I'm happy that ARRL was able to process this application in a way
much more timely than my original VUCC application back in February.
I think there are still some bugs in the process of moving VUCC into
the LOTW system, and maybe some will be able to talk with the ARRL
folks at Dayton later this week about that.  The document that John
K8YSE referenced earlier today about the discrepancy between VUCC
and DXCC application fees is an interesting read.  It shows what I
(and others) have felt about the VUCC fee structure.  This, too, 
is something that should be brought up to the ARRL at Dayton.  This
has already had an effect on whether hams will apply for - or get
endorsements for - VUCC awards.  

For those going to Dayton, have a great time!  

73!





Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK 
http://www.wd9ewk.net/




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[amsat-bb] Re: Fm satellite Frequencies and Doppler

[Alexander Sack]

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Zachary Beougher
 wrote:
> Actually, I just use the VFO on my D7A as well. ;-)
>
> As far as stepping on someone, it is going to happen on a single channel
> satellite, just make sure it is not deliberate.  Listen, if no one is
> calling or in the middle of a QSO, jump in!  Don't be afraid to throw your
> call out.

Definitely.  I am try to be as polite as possible, that's all I say.

> Another thing that you should definitely consider - full duplex.  In case
> you don't know what this is, full duplex is simultaneously listening to the
> d

Zack of course I'm on full duplex!  But I need to get my headset/mic
to really make use of it.  Right now when I key up I put the volume
down low to try to not QRM the repeater with an open squelch.  I think
tomorrow I should receive my headset and I should be good to go.

Again, thanks for all the tips,

-aps

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[amsat-bb] Re: Fm satellite Frequencies and Doppler

[Gordon JC Pearce]

On Mon, 2011-05-16 at 17:25 -0400, Zachary Beougher wrote:

> 
> Since AO27 switches off way before LOS, you will probably never need the 
> last frequency - 436.785 - but these would be the common frequency steps for 

Is AO-27 even on over the UK?  Every time I've checked the schedule
page, it's only been on for passes over the US.

Gordon MM0YEQ

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[amsat-bb] Re: IHU

[Peter Guelzow]

Hi,

Domenico is right..  Integrated Housekeeping Unit .. not Internal... 

73s Peter DB2OS



On 16.05.2011 19:44, i8cvs wrote:
> Hi Clint,
>
> "IHU" stands for "Integrated Housekeeping Unit."
>
> 73" de
>
> i8CVS Domenico
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Clint Bradford" 
> To: "AMSAT BB" 
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 6:16 PM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] IHU
>
>
>> Excuse my ignorance (just consider the source, guys ... ) but what is the
> "IHU" that's onboard AO-51?
>> -Internal Heating Unit?
>> -Receiver section (I Hear U?)
>> -Temp sensor (It's Hot Underneath)
>>
>>
>> DREW>> ... the IHU crashes each eclipse ...
>>
>>
>> Clint Bradford
>> clintbradf...@mac.com
>>
>>
>>
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[amsat-bb] Re: Fm satellite Frequencies and Doppler

[Zachary Beougher]

Actually, I just use the VFO on my D7A as well. ;-)

As far as stepping on someone, it is going to happen on a single channel 
satellite, just make sure it is not deliberate.  Listen, if no one is 
calling or in the middle of a QSO, jump in!  Don't be afraid to throw your 
call out.

Another thing that you should definitely consider - full duplex.  In case 
you don't know what this is, full duplex is simultaneously listening to the 
downlink WHILE transmitting.  This prevents a lot of useless QRM.  When you 
call, you can not only tell if you are stepping on someone, but you can hear 
how good/bad your uplink signal is, and you can be sure that you are getting 
through and not just getting stepped on.  You are even ahead of the game - 
the TH-D72A has this feature!  All you need to do is learn how to use it. 
You may, however, want to try a few more passes before diving into full 
duplex.  Full duplex will not do you any good if you have trouble hearing or 
tracking the birds.

73!

Zack
KD8KSN

-Original Message- 
From: Alexander Sack
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 5:45 PM
To: Zachary Beougher
Cc: Clint Bradford ; Clint Bradford ; amsat-bb@amsat.org
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: Fm satellite Frequencies and Doppler

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Zachary Beougher
 wrote:
> Alexandar,
>
> I am not sure how you have it programmed into the radio so far, but I 
> would
> program 5 memory frequencies into your HT:
>
> (AO27)
>
> 436.805 (AOS)
> 436.800
> 436.795 (TCA - Time Of Closest Approach)
> 436.790
> 436.785 (LOS)
>
> Since AO27 switches off way before LOS, you will probably never need the
> last frequency - 436.785 - but these would be the common frequency steps 
> for
> a typical bird like AO51, SO50, etc.  Don't be afraid to make adjustments
> either.  I find that to hear the 30 sec. of TLM right before AO27 switches
> to VOX I have to be at 436.810.  This is probably more a feature of the
> radio itself.  If you are having trouble hear at AOS or LOS, try adjusting
> your downlink by 5kHz.
>
> You can also add alpha-numeric tags to your frequencies to keep them in
> order:
>
> AO27-1
> AO27-2
> AO27-TCA
> AO27-4
> AO27-5
>
> There are many different variations you can choose from.
>

Let me tell you what I have been doing:

I have programmed my TH-D72A with the TCA as a base.  I switch to it
then move it to my VFO (F+VFO).  When the bird is going to approach, I
instantly go up 10Khz and work from there.  Its actually ridiculously
easy to just switch down via the tuning knob (so programming above
doesn't really buy you much).  Typically depending on the bird's
doppler, I wound up finding the signal a bit lower than 10khz up (its
not like my AL-800 instantly picks up the signal at 5 degree
elevation) but when it does, I'm good for the remainder of the pass.

The AO-51 FAQ page spells it out very nicely.  Knowing the polar chart
in your head for the pass is very helpful.  It allows you to
gracefully move with the signal as the satellite passes over you.

My biggest issue right now is knowing when to call out.  The flurry of
folks calling CQ on each pass where I live (FN20) makes it very hard
to either a) not step on anyone and b) even find a window to get in.
I will keep trying though (maybe when the weather gets a bit better on
the East Coast).

73

-aps 

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[amsat-bb] Re: Satellites Over US West Coast

[Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF]

I agree with the Amsat times for the next pass over west coast.
Get a free copy of Orbitron.

On 16-May-11 22:17, Paul Delaney - K6HR wrote:
>
> OK now I'm getting somewhere!
> My SatPC32 predictions DO NOT match the info on the AMSAT link below!
>
> My location appears to be entered correctly into the tracking program, the
> PC clock is correct and the keps are updated against the 'nasa.all' source.
>
> AMSAT shows next FO-29 pass as 22:41:15 - 23:01:29
>
> My SatPC32 shows FO-29 pass as 22:24:00 - 22:33:00
>
> No wonder I don't hear anything!
> Now...what could be wrong in my SatPC32 setup to cause this?
>
>
> Paul Delaney - K6HR
> paul.hamra...@verizon.net
> http://k6hr.dyndns.org:8080
>
>
> Can you hear the beacon on FO-29? You also might have to adjust the uplink
> frequency in he CAT menu in SatPC32 to find your signal.
>
> Do your SatPC32 predictions match the ones from the AMSAT online prediction?
>
> http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/tools/predict/
>
> i'd be happy to be on one of the passes to listen for you or transmit.
>
> 73,
>
> Andreas, N6NU
>
>
>
>
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[amsat-bb] Re: Fm satellite Frequencies and Doppler

[Jeremy Bomkamp]

It should be on for every ascending pass about the time it crosses 28-30 
degrees 
north latitude.  There is a program here that will allow you to see when AO-27 
is in analogue repeater 
mode: http://sites.google.com/site/ao27satellitescheduler/
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[amsat-bb] Re: Satellites Over US West Coast

[Paul Delaney - K6HR]

OK now I'm getting somewhere!
My SatPC32 predictions DO NOT match the info on the AMSAT link below!

My location appears to be entered correctly into the tracking program, the
PC clock is correct and the keps are updated against the 'nasa.all' source.

AMSAT shows next FO-29 pass as 22:41:15 - 23:01:29

My SatPC32 shows FO-29 pass as 22:24:00 - 22:33:00

No wonder I don't hear anything!
Now...what could be wrong in my SatPC32 setup to cause this?


Paul Delaney - K6HR
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http://k6hr.dyndns.org:8080 


Can you hear the beacon on FO-29? You also might have to adjust the uplink
frequency in he CAT menu in SatPC32 to find your signal. 

Do your SatPC32 predictions match the ones from the AMSAT online prediction?

http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/tools/predict/

i'd be happy to be on one of the passes to listen for you or transmit.

73,

Andreas, N6NU




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[amsat-bb] Re: Fm satellite Frequencies and Doppler

[P.H.]

Hi Gordon,

It is sometimes, although it is quite rare. Usually when tracking
North over central Europe and usually off within 6 or 7 minutes of
AOS.

73

Pete

2i0VAX



On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:57 PM, Gordon JC Pearce  wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-05-16 at 17:25 -0400, Zachary Beougher wrote:
>
>>
>> Since AO27 switches off way before LOS, you will probably never need the
>> last frequency - 436.785 - but these would be the common frequency steps for
>
> Is AO-27 even on over the UK?  Every time I've checked the schedule
> page, it's only been on for passes over the US.
>
> Gordon MM0YEQ
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[amsat-bb] Re: Dayton Frequency?

[Alan P. Biddle]

Chuck,

Nominally, there are a couple of DARA repeaters which are suggested for
AMSAT:

145.410 MHz -600 KHz 118.8 Hz Pl
442.375 MHz +5 MHz 118.8 HZ Pl

I monitor them when driving around, but don't hear much AMSAT-specific
traffic.  Friendly folks though!  Inside the arena, I don't even try, due to
the intermod and general din.


73s,

Alan
WA4SCA




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Behalf Of KM9U
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 4:48 PM
To: amsat-bb@amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Dayton Frequency?

I plan to attend Dayton this year (first time since 1981) and would like to 
meet some of those that I've contacts with on the satellites.
I was wondering if there might be an "agreed on"  2m or 70cm frequency 
(other than the normal simplex frequencies) that has been established  for 
our "group"?

Hope to see many of you in Dayton!
73,
Chuck, KM9U

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[amsat-bb] Re: Satellites Over US West Coast

[Andreas Junge]

Paul,

I did 15 QSO's in the last 5 days from CM87 (San Francisco Bay Area) on SO-50 
(FM), VO-52 (SSB/CW) and AO-7 (SSB/CW). Are you sure you are looking at UTC vs 
PST when predicting the passes? How old are your Keps? Just checking :-)

73,

Andreas, N6NU
CM87, Menlo Park, CA

On May 16, 2011, at 1:52 PM, Paul Delaney - K6HR wrote:

> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I have been listening during satellite passes for weeks now, and hear
> nothing. I am in DM03. Has anyone in the Southern California area heard or
> worked a satellite in the past two or three weeks?
> 
> Paul Delaney - K6HR
> paul.hamra...@verizon.net
> http://k6hr.dyndns.org:8080 
> 
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[amsat-bb] Dayton Frequency?

[KM9U]

I plan to attend Dayton this year (first time since 1981) and would like to 
meet some of those that I've contacts with on the satellites.
I was wondering if there might be an "agreed on"  2m or 70cm frequency 
(other than the normal simplex frequencies) that has been established  for 
our "group"?

Hope to see many of you in Dayton!
73,
Chuck, KM9U

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[amsat-bb] Re: Satellites Over US West Coast

[Paul Delaney - K6HR]

I am running SatPC32 ICOM 821H and a pair of M2 eggbeater antennas.
Listening for FO-29 VO-52 AO-51 SO-50 ISS SO-67 AO-27

Paul Delaney - K6HR
paul.hamra...@verizon.net
http://k6hr.dyndns.org:8080 

-Original Message-
From: Zachary Beougher [mailto:zack.kd8...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 14:29
To: Paul Delaney - K6HR; amsat-bb@amsat.org
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Satellites Over US West Coast

What satellite(s) have you been monitoring, and what type of setup do you 
have?

Zack
KD8KSN

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Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 4:52 PM
To: amsat-bb@amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellites Over US West Coast



Hello,

I have been listening during satellite passes for weeks now, and hear
nothing. I am in DM03. Has anyone in the Southern California area heard or
worked a satellite in the past two or three weeks?

Paul Delaney - K6HR
paul.hamra...@verizon.net
http://k6hr.dyndns.org:8080


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[amsat-bb] Re: Fm satellite Frequencies and Doppler

[Alexander Sack]

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Zachary Beougher
 wrote:
> Alexandar,
>
> I am not sure how you have it programmed into the radio so far, but I would
> program 5 memory frequencies into your HT:
>
> (AO27)
>
> 436.805 (AOS)
> 436.800
> 436.795 (TCA - Time Of Closest Approach)
> 436.790
> 436.785 (LOS)
>
> Since AO27 switches off way before LOS, you will probably never need the
> last frequency - 436.785 - but these would be the common frequency steps for
> a typical bird like AO51, SO50, etc.  Don't be afraid to make adjustments
> either.  I find that to hear the 30 sec. of TLM right before AO27 switches
> to VOX I have to be at 436.810.  This is probably more a feature of the
> radio itself.  If you are having trouble hear at AOS or LOS, try adjusting
> your downlink by 5kHz.
>
> You can also add alpha-numeric tags to your frequencies to keep them in
> order:
>
> AO27-1
> AO27-2
> AO27-TCA
> AO27-4
> AO27-5
>
> There are many different variations you can choose from.
>

Let me tell you what I have been doing:

I have programmed my TH-D72A with the TCA as a base.  I switch to it
then move it to my VFO (F+VFO).  When the bird is going to approach, I
instantly go up 10Khz and work from there.  Its actually ridiculously
easy to just switch down via the tuning knob (so programming above
doesn't really buy you much).  Typically depending on the bird's
doppler, I wound up finding the signal a bit lower than 10khz up (its
not like my AL-800 instantly picks up the signal at 5 degree
elevation) but when it does, I'm good for the remainder of the pass.

The AO-51 FAQ page spells it out very nicely.  Knowing the polar chart
in your head for the pass is very helpful.  It allows you to
gracefully move with the signal as the satellite passes over you.

My biggest issue right now is knowing when to call out.  The flurry of
folks calling CQ on each pass where I live (FN20) makes it very hard
to either a) not step on anyone and b) even find a window to get in.
I will keep trying though (maybe when the weather gets a bit better on
the East Coast).

73

-aps

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[amsat-bb] Re: Satellites Over US West Coast

[Zachary Beougher]

What satellite(s) have you been monitoring, and what type of setup do you 
have?

Zack
KD8KSN

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Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 4:52 PM
To: amsat-bb@amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellites Over US West Coast



Hello,

I have been listening during satellite passes for weeks now, and hear
nothing. I am in DM03. Has anyone in the Southern California area heard or
worked a satellite in the past two or three weeks?

Paul Delaney - K6HR
paul.hamra...@verizon.net
http://k6hr.dyndns.org:8080


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[amsat-bb] Re: Satellites Over US West Coast

[Jeff Moore]

Hi Paul,

What satellites have you been listening for?

What are you using to determine when the passes are?

What are you using for antenna and radio?

The sats are there and functional - it has nothing to do with your location as 
long as you have the pass times and locations correct.

There are a lot of variables that could account for your lack of  "hearing".

Jeff Moore  --  KE7ACY
CN94ha

- Original Message - From: "Paul Delaney - K6HR" 


Hello,

I have been listening during satellite passes for weeks now, and hear
nothing. I am in DM03. Has anyone in the Southern California area heard or
worked a satellite in the past two or three weeks?

Paul Delaney - K6HR
paul.hamra...@verizon.net
http://k6hr.dyndns.org:8080 


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[amsat-bb] Re: Fm satellite Frequencies and Doppler

[Zachary Beougher]

Alexandar,

I am not sure how you have it programmed into the radio so far, but I would 
program 5 memory frequencies into your HT:

(AO27)

436.805 (AOS)
436.800
436.795 (TCA - Time Of Closest Approach)
436.790
436.785 (LOS)

Since AO27 switches off way before LOS, you will probably never need the 
last frequency - 436.785 - but these would be the common frequency steps for 
a typical bird like AO51, SO50, etc.  Don't be afraid to make adjustments 
either.  I find that to hear the 30 sec. of TLM right before AO27 switches 
to VOX I have to be at 436.810.  This is probably more a feature of the 
radio itself.  If you are having trouble hear at AOS or LOS, try adjusting 
your downlink by 5kHz.

You can also add alpha-numeric tags to your frequencies to keep them in 
order:

AO27-1
AO27-2
AO27-TCA
AO27-4
AO27-5

There are many different variations you can choose from.

73!

Zack
KD8KSN



-Original Message- 
From: Alexander Sack
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 4:23 PM
To: Clint Bradford
Cc: Clint Bradford ; amsat-bb@amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Fm satellite Frequencies and Doppler

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Clint Bradford  
wrote:
>>> ... go to AMSAT's sat status page ...
>
> Personally, I prefer to get folks in the habit of checking the actual 
> control team pages for the various FM birds. That leaves any "middlemen" 
> and third=party Web site editing delays out of the equation.
>
> I mean, what better info is there than that published by those who 
> actually control the satellites?


I too am a beginner and wondered about how to calculate doppler and/or
determine a rough estimation based on pass information (elevation/az,
etc.).  I tend to start about 10 kHz up on any given pass which seems
to be a reasonable approximation for most of the birds so far (I
started this way because I followed the AO-27 FAQ).

My biggest challenge is finding the signal while adjusting for
doppler.  Once I get it though, I'm good for the rest of the pass!
:-)

-aps
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[amsat-bb] Re: Digi @ Dayton?

[Zachary Beougher]

Hi Bob,

>But why do you need to reach a digi?  You will be
>within wet-noodle range of every APRS person at
>Dayton and they can hear/see you even if you are
>on low power.  There will hopefully be an IGate
>at the Hamvention to pick up everyone.

I was originally wanting to get digipeated because I wanted to reach an 
i-gate so that I could follow my track on the internet once I get back home, 
and I didn't give it enough thought that a digipeater is not what I need - 
it is the i-gate.  A more accurate question would be, will there be an 
i-gate at Dayton?, which it sounds like there will be.  Other than that, I 
do want the other APRS users to see me, but simplex will take card of that.

Thanks for your help!

Zack
KD8KSN

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From: Bob Bruninga
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 4:53 PM
To: 'Zachary Beougher' ; amsat-bb@amsat.org
Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Re: Digi @ Dayton?

> What you say does make sense - I didn't think about
> the digi congesting the network since everyone would
> be within simplex range.  My main concern is
> that I can get digipeated using the stock duck on the
> TH-D7A that I will be using for backpack APRS.  If I
> can't reach any digipeaters in the area, I need to go
> to plan B for an antenna.

But why do you need to reach a digi?  You will be within wet-noodle range of 
every APRS person at Dayton and they can hear/see you even if you are on low 
power.  There will hopefully be an IGate at the Hamvention to pick up 
everyone.

Even if you run 50 watts, you aren’t going to get into a Dayton digi because 
any digiepater that can hear the area will be 100% jammed on the input.

Limiting everyone to simplex or 1 hop only is the same technique used in the 
Losangeles basin.  Everyone that is there is there, and the channel is full, 
so no reason to bring any more packets in or out.

See http://www.aprs.org/fixingLA.html

Ore more generically, everything there is to know about digipeating, and 
MINIMIZING channel load.

www.aprs.org/fix14439.html

Good luck
Bob, WB4APR

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From: Bob Bruninga
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 10:24 AM
To: amsat-bb@amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Digi @ Dayton?

> [does] anyone set up a digipeater at Dayton,
> or do we rely on the local digi’s?

Proper operation of an event like Dayton would suggest that putting up a
digipeater would be the worst thing to do.  With over 300+ mobiles and
portables beaconing away all in simplex range of each other, a digipeater
would do nothing but drastically reduce the reliability of the channel by
half or more.

The proper way to handle a ham radio event with a massive influx of APRS
operations is to:

1) Have no digi at the focal point (Hamvention)
2) Have all digis going out 30 miles in all directions be ONE-HOP DIGIS
ONLY.  That is, they only respond to WIDE1-1 or WIDE2-2 and nothing else.
They digipeat once and do callsign substitution so the packet goes no
further
3) Strategic IGates are placed right at Hamvention so they hear everything
in simplex range
4) Additional IGates are configured so that every surrounding digi going out
30 miles has an IGate to hear the one-hop packets.

5) Doing all the above, then the hundreds of APRS mobiles and portables do
not have to change anything.  They just drive into town with their normal
WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1 settings.

Bob, WB4APR



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[amsat-bb] satellite VUCC #210!

[Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)]

Hi!

After I resubmitted my satellite VUCC application last Tuesday (10th)
through the Logbook of the World, things seem to be working so much 
better.  That application was approved the day after I submitted it 
(Wednesday, 11 May).  Then the VUCC certificate and pin were mailed 
from ARRL on Thursday according to the postmark on the cardboard 
mailing tube, and it was in my mailbox today.  Now this is how the 
electronic VUCC application process should work.  Again, thanks to 
those who have submitted their logs to the LOTW system.  I'm now at 
114 confirmed via LOTW, as one more grid was confirmed in the past 
few days since my application was processed.

I'm happy that ARRL was able to process this application in a way
much more timely than my original VUCC application back in February.
I think there are still some bugs in the process of moving VUCC into
the LOTW system, and maybe some will be able to talk with the ARRL
folks at Dayton later this week about that.  The document that John
K8YSE referenced earlier today about the discrepancy between VUCC
and DXCC application fees is an interesting read.  It shows what I
(and others) have felt about the VUCC fee structure.  This, too, 
is something that should be brought up to the ARRL at Dayton.  This
has already had an effect on whether hams will apply for - or get
endorsements for - VUCC awards.  

For those going to Dayton, have a great time!  

73!





Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK 
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[amsat-bb] Re: Satellites Over US West Coast

[Gould Smith]

Yes.

Check out David's site if you want the latest information on amateur 
satellite activity.

http://oscar.dcarr.org

73,
Gould, WA4SXM

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Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellites Over US West Coast


>
>
> Hello,
>
> I have been listening during satellite passes for weeks now, and hear
> nothing. I am in DM03. Has anyone in the Southern California area heard or
> worked a satellite in the past two or three weeks?
>
> Paul Delaney - K6HR
> paul.hamra...@verizon.net
> http://k6hr.dyndns.org:8080
>
>
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[amsat-bb] Satellites Over US West Coast

[Paul Delaney - K6HR]

Hello,

I have been listening during satellite passes for weeks now, and hear
nothing. I am in DM03. Has anyone in the Southern California area heard or
worked a satellite in the past two or three weeks?

Paul Delaney - K6HR
paul.hamra...@verizon.net
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[amsat-bb] Re: Digi @ Dayton?

[Bob Bruninga]

> What you say does make sense - I didn't think about 
> the digi congesting the network since everyone would 
> be within simplex range.  My main concern is
> that I can get digipeated using the stock duck on the 
> TH-D7A that I will be using for backpack APRS.  If I 
> can't reach any digipeaters in the area, I need to go 
> to plan B for an antenna.

But why do you need to reach a digi?  You will be within wet-noodle range of 
every APRS person at Dayton and they can hear/see you even if you are on low 
power.  There will hopefully be an IGate at the Hamvention to pick up everyone.

Even if you run 50 watts, you aren’t going to get into a Dayton digi because 
any digiepater that can hear the area will be 100% jammed on the input.

Limiting everyone to simplex or 1 hop only is the same technique used in the 
Losangeles basin.  Everyone that is there is there, and the channel is full, so 
no reason to bring any more packets in or out.

See http://www.aprs.org/fixingLA.html

Ore more generically, everything there is to know about digipeating, and 
MINIMIZING channel load.

www.aprs.org/fix14439.html

Good luck
Bob, WB4APR

-Original Message-
From: Bob Bruninga
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 10:24 AM
To: amsat-bb@amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Digi @ Dayton?

> [does] anyone set up a digipeater at Dayton,
> or do we rely on the local digi’s?

Proper operation of an event like Dayton would suggest that putting up a
digipeater would be the worst thing to do.  With over 300+ mobiles and
portables beaconing away all in simplex range of each other, a digipeater
would do nothing but drastically reduce the reliability of the channel by
half or more.

The proper way to handle a ham radio event with a massive influx of APRS
operations is to:

1) Have no digi at the focal point (Hamvention)
2) Have all digis going out 30 miles in all directions be ONE-HOP DIGIS
ONLY.  That is, they only respond to WIDE1-1 or WIDE2-2 and nothing else.
They digipeat once and do callsign substitution so the packet goes no
further
3) Strategic IGates are placed right at Hamvention so they hear everything
in simplex range
4) Additional IGates are configured so that every surrounding digi going out
30 miles has an IGate to hear the one-hop packets.

5) Doing all the above, then the hundreds of APRS mobiles and portables do
not have to change anything.  They just drive into town with their normal
WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1 settings.

Bob, WB4APR



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[amsat-bb] Re: Fm satellite Frequencies and Doppler

[Clint Bradford]

>> ... I tend to start about 10 kHz up on any given pass ...


If your rig can be programmed at 5kHZ increments, I believe you'll have better 
results!

Check out the programming charts on that work-sat Web site ...


Clint Bradford, K6LCS
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[amsat-bb] Re: Fm satellite Frequencies and Doppler

[Alexander Sack]

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Clint Bradford  wrote:
>>> ... I tend to start about 10 kHz up on any given pass ...
>
>
> If your rig can be programmed at 5kHZ increments, I believe you'll have 
> better results!

It can.  I set the step size!  :-)

> Check out the programming charts on that work-sat Web site ...
>

Definitely.

Thanks!

-aps
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[amsat-bb] Re: Fm satellite Frequencies and Doppler

[Alexander Sack]

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Clint Bradford  wrote:
>>> ... go to AMSAT's sat status page ...
>
> Personally, I prefer to get folks in the habit of checking the actual control 
> team pages for the various FM birds. That leaves any "middlemen" and 
> third=party Web site editing delays out of the equation.
>
> I mean, what better info is there than that published by those who actually 
> control the satellites?


I too am a beginner and wondered about how to calculate doppler and/or
determine a rough estimation based on pass information (elevation/az,
etc.).  I tend to start about 10 kHz up on any given pass which seems
to be a reasonable approximation for most of the birds so far (I
started this way because I followed the AO-27 FAQ).

My biggest challenge is finding the signal while adjusting for
doppler.  Once I get it though, I'm good for the rest of the pass!
:-)

-aps
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[amsat-bb] Re: Fm satellite Frequencies and Doppler

[Clint Bradford]

>> ... go to AMSAT's sat status page ...

Personally, I prefer to get folks in the habit of checking the actual control 
team pages for the various FM birds. That leaves any "middlemen" and 
third=party Web site editing delays out of the equation. 

I mean, what better info is there than that published by those who actually 
control the satellites?

Clint, K6LCS
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[amsat-bb] Re: Fm satellite Frequencies and Doppler

[Justin Pinnix]

Hi Kev,

The active FM birds are AO-51, SO-50, AO-27, and ISS.  I think SO-67 and
HO-68 are sometimes available.  I'm sure someone will correct me if I have
omitted any.

You can get their frequencies by clicking on each one on this page:
http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/satellites/status.php

The doppler shift will vary throughout the pass, so there is no one position
that works.  ISS has a VHF downlink that varies +/- 3Khz (approx) during the
pass.  The others have UHF downlinks that vary +/- 15Khz (approx).  It will
always be higher at the beginning, on frequency when the sat is at max
elevation, and lower at the end.  Being FM, the tonal quality won't change,
the signal will just get weaker as it leaves the passband, so periodically
tune around for maximum signal strength.

73 de AJ4MJ
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 12:01 PM, mm0kjg  wrote:

> Hello there.
> Would someone be kind enough to give me a list of frequencies with doppler
> correction for the Fm birds. I have Ao51 but not heard for a while . Its
> for
> easy programming into my Ht.
>
> Cheers Kev De MM0KJG
>
> 73's
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[amsat-bb] Re: Fm satellite Frequencies and Doppler

[Clint Bradford]

Here is ONE site that has 'bout everything you need to know to work the current 
FM birds ...

http://www.work-sat.com

Clint, K6LCS



>> ... Would someone be kind enough to give me a list of frequencies with 
>> doppler 
correction for the Fm birds. I have Ao51 but not heard for a while . Its for 
easy programming into my Ht.


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[amsat-bb] Re: IHU

[i8cvs]

Hi Clint,

"IHU" stands for "Integrated Housekeeping Unit."

73" de

i8CVS Domenico

- Original Message -
From: "Clint Bradford" 
To: "AMSAT BB" 
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 6:16 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] IHU


> Excuse my ignorance (just consider the source, guys ... ) but what is the
"IHU" that's onboard AO-51?
>
> -Internal Heating Unit?
> -Receiver section (I Hear U?)
> -Temp sensor (It's Hot Underneath)
>
>
> DREW>> ... the IHU crashes each eclipse ...
>
>
> Clint Bradford
> clintbradf...@mac.com
>
>
>
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[amsat-bb] Re: IHU

[Anthony Monteiro]

Hi Clint,

IHU = Internal Housekeeping Unit. It means the on-board
computer. I recall the term goes back 30 years to OSCAR-9.

73,
Tony AA2TX
---

On 5/16/2011 12:16 PM, Clint Bradford wrote:
> Excuse my ignorance (just consider the source, guys ... ) but what is the 
> "IHU" that's onboard AO-51?
>
> -Internal Heating Unit?
> -Receiver section (I Hear U?)
> -Temp sensor (It's Hot Underneath)
>
>
> DREW>>  ... the IHU crashes each eclipse ...
>
>
> Clint Bradford
> clintbradf...@mac.com
>
>
>
>
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[amsat-bb] Re: Digi @ Dayton?

[Zachary Beougher]

Hi Bob,

What you say does make sense - I didn't think about the digi congesting the 
network since everyone would be within simplex range.  My main concern is 
that I can get digipeated using the stock duck on the TH-D7A that I will be 
using for backpack APRS.  If I can't reach any digipeaters in the area, I 
need to go to plan B for an antenna.

73!

Zack
KD8KSN

-Original Message- 
From: Bob Bruninga
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 10:24 AM
To: amsat-bb@amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Digi @ Dayton?

> [does] anyone set up a digipeater at Dayton,
> or do we rely on the local digi’s?

Proper operation of an event like Dayton would suggest that putting up a 
digipeater would be the worst thing to do.  With over 300+ mobiles and 
portables beaconing away all in simplex range of each other, a digipeater 
would do nothing but drastically reduce the reliability of the channel by 
half or more.

The proper way to handle a ham radio event with a massive influx of APRS 
operations is to:

1) Have no digi at the focal point (Hamvention)
2) Have all digis going out 30 miles in all directions be ONE-HOP DIGIS 
ONLY.  That is, they only respond to WIDE1-1 or WIDE2-2 and nothing else. 
They digipeat once and do callsign substitution so the packet goes no 
further
3) Strategic IGates are placed right at Hamvention so they hear everything 
in simplex range
4) Additional IGates are configured so that every surrounding digi going out 
30 miles has an IGate to hear the one-hop packets.

5) Doing all the above, then the hundreds of APRS mobiles and portables do 
not have to change anything.  They just drive into town with their normal 
WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1 settings.

Bob, WB4APR



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[amsat-bb] Re: IHU

[Clint Bradford]

YABDM - "Yet Another Bradford DUH! Moment ... " - thanks, gentlemen.

"Internal Housekeeping Unit."

Clint

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[amsat-bb] IHU

[Clint Bradford]

Excuse my ignorance (just consider the source, guys ... ) but what is the "IHU" 
that's onboard AO-51?

-Internal Heating Unit?
-Receiver section (I Hear U?)
-Temp sensor (It's Hot Underneath)
 

DREW>> ... the IHU crashes each eclipse ...


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[amsat-bb] Fm satellite Frequencies and Doppler

[mm0kjg]

Hello there.
Would someone be kind enough to give me a list of frequencies with doppler 
correction for the Fm birds. I have Ao51 but not heard for a while . Its for 
easy programming into my Ht.

Cheers Kev De MM0KJG

73's 

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[amsat-bb] Demonstration Schedule for Dayton 2011

[Keith Pugh]

This year with AO-51 and HO-68 on the Sick List and SO-67 scheduled for
Europe and Africa, the schedule will be a little slim for the FM Birds.  We
will do the best we can with the Linear Birds and the available FM Birds.
The attached schedule is in UTC and corresponds to the times that the Dayton
Demonstration Area will be staffed.  Since this is an outdoor area, we could
have weather problems; however, the "Weather Guessers" are showing a good
weekend so far.

 WinAos   QTH: -84.3/39.8   T#: 12192   Sat.: 9 [Standard]  DAYTON
HAMVENTION
 --
 Day Object   AOS (U) LOS Period maxEl   AZ Grid EM79ut
 --
 20.05.2011  ISS   12:47 12:5609   66  237 - 052
Listen Only:
 20.05.2011  AO-0713:34 13:5420   29  007 - 237 ISS and
HO-68
 20.05.2011  VO-5213:42 13:5412   30  023 - 169
 20.05.2011  SO-6714:05 14:1611   49  018 - 183 Europe
Schedule:
 20.05.2011  HO-6814:18 14:3517   25  029 - 160 SO-67
 20.05.2011  ISS   14:23 14:3108   13  283 - 047
 20.05.2011  VO-5215:19 15:3011   23  357 - 224 Sick List:
AO-51
 20.05.2011  SO-6715:40 15:4808   10  345 - 240
 20.05.2011  HO-6816:05 16:2419   60  011 - 210 Time: UTC
 20.05.2011  AO-2717:10 17:2010   10  105 - 008
 20.05.2011  ISS   17:35 17:4308   17  318 - 090
 20.05.2011  HO-6817:54 18:0713   11  355 - 263
 20.05.2011  SO-5018:04 18:1713   45  194 - 038
 20.05.2011  AO-2718:46 19:0115   73  162 - 348
 20.05.2011  ISS   19:10 19:1909   57  305 - 134
 20.05.2011  AO-5119:45 19:5611   14  114 - 005
 20.05.2011  SO-5019:45 19:5813   22  247 - 025
 20.05.2011  AO-2720:28 20:3911   11  221 - 324
 20.05.2011  FO-2920:43 21:0320   56  018 - 181
 20.05.2011  AO-0720:49 21:0718   18  107 - 355
 20.05.2011  AO-5121:21 21:3615   73  170 - 346
 
 21.05.2011  AO-0712:34 12:5521   63  013 - 211
 21.05.2011  ISS   13:11 13:1908   24  261 - 046
 21.05.2011  SO-6713:47 13:5710   28  024 - 171
 21.05.2011  VO-5214:00 14:1313   46  018 - 181
 21.05.2011  HO-6814:01 14:1817   18  033 - 154
 21.05.2011  AO-0714:28 14:4416   14  003 - 262
 21.05.2011  SO-6715:21 15:3009   17  353 - 229
 21.05.2011  VO-5215:37 15:4710   15  351 - 237
 21.05.2011  HO-6815:48 16:0820   76  013 - 203
 21.05.2011  ISS   16:24 16:3107   10  319 - 073
 21.05.2011  SO-5016:54 17:0410   13  160 - 053
 21.05.2011  HO-6817:37 17:5215   15  359 - 252
 21.05.2011  ISS   17:59 18:0708   35  313 - 111
 21.05.2011  AO-2718:18 18:3214   44  147 - 354
 21.05.2011  SO-5018:33 18:4613   65  218 - 031
 21.05.2011  ISS   19:34 19:4208   18  293 - 159
 21.05.2011  FO-2919:49 20:0718   24  027 - 155
 21.05.2011  AO-2719:59 20:1213   21  203 - 334
 21.05.2011  SO-5020:16 20:2610   11  272 - 018
 21.05.2011  AO-5120:42 20:5614   46  149 - 354
 
 22.05.2011  AO-0713:27 13:4720   32  008 - 233
 22.05.2011  SO-6713:29 13:3809   17  032 - 159
 22.05.2011  ISS   13:35 13:4308   13  284 - 048
 22.05.2011  HO-6813:45 14:0015   13  037 - 144
 22.05.2011  VO-5214:19 14:3112   71  013 - 191
 22.05.2011  SO-6715:02 15:1210   27  358 - 217
 22.05.2011  HO-6815:31 15:5120   82  016 - 195

I hope to talk to many of you on the "Birds" this weekend.

73 - Keith, W5IU
 
 WinAos   QTH: -84.3/39.8   T#: 12192   Sat.: 9 [Standard]  DAYTON 
HAMVENTION
 --
 Day Object   AOS (U) LOS Period maxEl   AZ Grid EM79ut
 --
 20.05.2011  ISS  12:47 12:5609   66  237 - 052 Listen Only:
 20.05.2011  AO-0713:34 13:5420   29  007 - 237 ISS and HO-68
 20.05.2011  VO-5213:42 13:5412   30  023 - 169
 20.05.2011  SO-6714:05 14:1611   49  018 - 183 Europe Schedule:
 20.05.2011  HO-6814:18 14:3517   25  029 - 160 SO-67
 20.05.2011  ISS  14:23 14:3108   13  283 - 047
 20.05.2011  VO-5215:19 15:3011   23  357 - 224 Sick List: AO-51
 20.05.2011  SO-6715:40 15:4808   10  345 - 240
 20.05.2011  HO-6816:05 16:2419   60  011 - 210 Time: UTC
 20.05.2011  AO-2717:10 17:2010   10  105 - 008
 20.05.2011  ISS  17:35 17:4308   17  318 - 090
 20.05.2011  HO-6817:54 18:0713   11  355 - 263
 20.05.2011  SO-5018:04 18:1713   45  194 - 

[amsat-bb] Re: VUCC Fees - Dayton Hamvention

[John Geiger]

If you can't make Dayton, the ARRL National Convention is at Hamcomm this 
year in Dallas. I am sure plenty of ARRL officials will be there.  Let them 
know the inequities with the VUCC fees as well.  An email campaign couldn't 
hurt either.  I have held off applying for 6m and satellite endorsements 
until this gets figured out because I can't afford the endorsements at the 
current rate.

73s John AA5JG
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From: "John Papay" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 3:02 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] VUCC Fees - Dayton Hamvention


> If you are planning on going to Dayton, please take
> some time to visit the ARRL area not far from the AMSAT
> booth.  Seek out the highest ranking officials you can find
> and talk with them about the VUCC program and LOTW.
>
> The fee schedule for VUCC applications, both paper and LOTW,
> released back in mid January has not changed to my knowledge.
> Very little has been said about this issue to date.  The fees
> were excessive and if continued, would have a negative impact
> on the VUCC program.
>
> You can talk about the high cost of an application but there is
> nothing like comparing it to the cost of a similar DXCC application.
> When you do that, it is apparent that something is not right.  I
> prepared a one sheet comparison of three typical VUCC vs DXCC
> applications to give to ARRL officials at the Orlando Hamcation.
> Newington was not present at Orlando but the Florida Director was
> and got a copy.  I have uploaded my comparison to my website.  Please
> print some copies, put them in your hamfest bag and give them to
> those you talk with at the ARRL.  The more League officials that see
> this, the better chance we have of getting these fees reduced and in
> line with DXCC application fees.
>
>Download the comparison at:  http://www.papays.com/vuccfees2011.pdf
>
> There are many issues with the VUCC program other than fees.  I made
> an application back in mid January, two days after the new few schedule
> appear on arrl.org.  It was processed and my totals appeared on my LOTW
> page.  Last week I received the endorsement stickers but have yet to
> receive the "VUCC Grid Report" which lists all of your confirmed girds
> on the left side of the pages and has space on the right side for you
> to list the new grids you are applying for credit.  Without this sheet,
> you cannot file for another endorsement via an Awards Manager (card 
> checker)
> or by sending them to the League.  I know that they have been having
> problems with implementing VUCC in LOTW, but the lack of information about
> the status of the VUCC Program is troubling.  The new website was supposed
> to help disseminate information faster but it is not working in the case.
> As ARRL members we should be kept informed of the VUCC issues, status and
> timelines.  This is another great point to discuss with ARRL officials.
>
> Hope to see many of you at the Hamvention.
>
> 73,
> John K8YSE
>
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[amsat-bb] VUCC Fees - Dayton Hamvention

[John Papay]

If you are planning on going to Dayton, please take
some time to visit the ARRL area not far from the AMSAT
booth.  Seek out the highest ranking officials you can find
and talk with them about the VUCC program and LOTW.

The fee schedule for VUCC applications, both paper and LOTW,
released back in mid January has not changed to my knowledge.
Very little has been said about this issue to date.  The fees
were excessive and if continued, would have a negative impact
on the VUCC program.

You can talk about the high cost of an application but there is
nothing like comparing it to the cost of a similar DXCC application.
When you do that, it is apparent that something is not right.  I
prepared a one sheet comparison of three typical VUCC vs DXCC
applications to give to ARRL officials at the Orlando Hamcation.
Newington was not present at Orlando but the Florida Director was
and got a copy.  I have uploaded my comparison to my website.  Please
print some copies, put them in your hamfest bag and give them to
those you talk with at the ARRL.  The more League officials that see
this, the better chance we have of getting these fees reduced and in
line with DXCC application fees.

Download the comparison at:  http://www.papays.com/vuccfees2011.pdf

There are many issues with the VUCC program other than fees.  I made
an application back in mid January, two days after the new few schedule
appear on arrl.org.  It was processed and my totals appeared on my LOTW
page.  Last week I received the endorsement stickers but have yet to
receive the "VUCC Grid Report" which lists all of your confirmed girds
on the left side of the pages and has space on the right side for you
to list the new grids you are applying for credit.  Without this sheet,
you cannot file for another endorsement via an Awards Manager (card checker)
or by sending them to the League.  I know that they have been having
problems with implementing VUCC in LOTW, but the lack of information about
the status of the VUCC Program is troubling.  The new website was supposed
to help disseminate information faster but it is not working in the case.
As ARRL members we should be kept informed of the VUCC issues, status and
timelines.  This is another great point to discuss with ARRL officials.

Hope to see many of you at the Hamvention.

73,
John K8YSE

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[amsat-bb] Re: Digi @ Dayton?

[Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF]

You should be OK for APRS stations.
W8GUC, W8BI, KI6sz and others will probably be in range.


On 16-May-11 14:04, Zachary Beougher wrote:
> Sorry - an APRS position packet. Forgot that part of the equation... :-/
>
> Zack
> KD8KSN
>
> -Original Message- From: Zachary Beougher
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 10:00 AM
> To: Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF
> Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Digi @ Dayton?
>
> Just a regular position packet.
>
> Zack
> KD8KSN
>
> -Original Message- From: Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 9:56 AM
> To: Zachary Beougher
> Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Digi @ Dayton?
>
> What do you want to digi?
> There are several APRS stations on 144.390 but I'm not aware of any general
> packet stations.
>
> On 16-May-11 13:42, Zachary Beougher wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Does anyone know if anyone sets up a digipeater at Dayton, or do we rely on 
>> the local digi’s?
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Zack
>> KD8KSN
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825 5032
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 http://www.ngunn.net
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International #385,
Dayton ARA #2128, AMSAT-NA LM-1691,  AMSAT-UK 0182, MKARS,  ALC, 
GCARES, XWARN, EAA382.

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[amsat-bb] Re: Digi @ Dayton?

[Bob Bruninga]

> [does] anyone set up a digipeater at Dayton, 
> or do we rely on the local digi’s?

Proper operation of an event like Dayton would suggest that putting up a 
digipeater would be the worst thing to do.  With over 300+ mobiles and 
portables beaconing away all in simplex range of each other, a digipeater would 
do nothing but drastically reduce the reliability of the channel by half or 
more.

The proper way to handle a ham radio event with a massive influx of APRS 
operations is to:

1) Have no digi at the focal point (Hamvention)
2) Have all digis going out 30 miles in all directions be ONE-HOP DIGIS ONLY.  
That is, they only respond to WIDE1-1 or WIDE2-2 and nothing else.  They 
digipeat once and do callsign substitution so the packet goes no further
3) Strategic IGates are placed right at Hamvention so they hear everything in 
simplex range
4) Additional IGates are configured so that every surrounding digi going out 30 
miles has an IGate to hear the one-hop packets.

5) Doing all the above, then the hundreds of APRS mobiles and portables do not 
have to change anything.  They just drive into town with their normal 
WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1 settings.

Bob, WB4APR



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[amsat-bb] AMSAT INDIA May 2011 Newsletter available

[Nitin Muttin]

 

 The May 2011 issue of the AMSAT-INDIA newsletter is now available for free
download.

Topics in this month's edition include:



- HAMSAT (VO-52) Completes Six years in orbit.
- Update- Meeting with distinguished guests from ISRO at AMSAT INDIA ground
station.
- Update on the CubeSat Communication system project by AMSAT INDIA.

- High Intercept Low Noise Amplifier with GaAs pHEMT MMIC By: Goran Popovic
AD6IW

- News from AMSAT organizations around the world

Download the newsletter from
http://amsatindia.org/Newsletter/AMSATINDIA-News-May_2011.pdf

Previous issues are available at:
http://www.amsatindia.org/Newsletter/

Regards

Nitin [VU3TYG]
Secretary, AMSAT India
vu3...@amsatindia.org   
www.amsatindia.org




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[amsat-bb] Re: Digi @ Dayton?

[Zachary Beougher]

Sorry - an APRS position packet.  Forgot that part of the equation... :-/

Zack
KD8KSN

-Original Message- 
From: Zachary Beougher
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 10:00 AM
To: Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF
Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Digi @ Dayton?

Just a regular position packet.

Zack
KD8KSN

-Original Message- 
From: Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 9:56 AM
To: Zachary Beougher
Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Digi @ Dayton?

What do you want to digi?
There are several APRS stations on 144.390 but I'm not aware of any general
packet stations.

On 16-May-11 13:42, Zachary Beougher wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Does anyone know if anyone sets up a digipeater at Dayton, or do we rely 
> on the local digi’s?
>
> 73,
>
> Zack
> KD8KSN
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825 5032
Amateur Radio G8IFF W8IFF (was KC8NHF 9H3GN),  e-mail ni...@ngunn.net
www  http://www.ngunn.net
Member of  ARRL, GQRP #11396, QRPARCI #11644, SOC #548,  Flying Pigs QRP
Club International #385,
Dayton ARA #2128, AMSAT-NA LM-1691,  AMSAT-UK 0182, MKARS,  ALC,
GCARES, XWARN, EAA382. 

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[amsat-bb] Re: Digi @ Dayton?

[Zachary Beougher]

Just a regular position packet.

Zack
KD8KSN

-Original Message- 
From: Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 9:56 AM
To: Zachary Beougher
Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Digi @ Dayton?

What do you want to digi?
There are several APRS stations on 144.390 but I'm not aware of any general 
packet stations.

On 16-May-11 13:42, Zachary Beougher wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Does anyone know if anyone sets up a digipeater at Dayton, or do we rely 
> on the local digi’s?
>
> 73,
>
> Zack
> KD8KSN
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825 5032
Amateur Radio G8IFF W8IFF (was KC8NHF 9H3GN),  e-mail ni...@ngunn.net 
www  http://www.ngunn.net
Member of  ARRL, GQRP #11396, QRPARCI #11644, SOC #548,  Flying Pigs QRP 
Club International #385,
Dayton ARA #2128, AMSAT-NA LM-1691,  AMSAT-UK 0182, MKARS,  ALC, 
GCARES, XWARN, EAA382.

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[amsat-bb] Re: Digi @ Dayton?

[Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF]

What do you want to digi?
There are several APRS stations on 144.390 but I'm not aware of any general 
packet stations.

On 16-May-11 13:42, Zachary Beougher wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Does anyone know if anyone sets up a digipeater at Dayton, or do we rely on 
> the local digi’s?
>
> 73,
>
> Zack
> KD8KSN
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825 5032
Amateur Radio G8IFF W8IFF (was KC8NHF 9H3GN),  e-mail ni...@ngunn.net   www 
 http://www.ngunn.net
Member of  ARRL, GQRP #11396, QRPARCI #11644, SOC #548,  Flying Pigs QRP Club 
International #385,
Dayton ARA #2128, AMSAT-NA LM-1691,  AMSAT-UK 0182, MKARS,  ALC, 
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[amsat-bb] Digi @ Dayton?

[Zachary Beougher]

Hi All,

Does anyone know if anyone sets up a digipeater at Dayton, or do we rely on the 
local digi’s?

73,

Zack
KD8KSN
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[amsat-bb] Fwd: live broadcast of hamvention

[wa4hfn]

- Forwarded Message -
From: "t m" 
To: "wa5kub video3" 
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 10:02:53 PM
Subject: live broadcast of hamvention



  

!!!   Live Dayton Hamvention Broadcast !!! 

Announcement.   The 9 th annual live web TV broadcast is here again. Over $5000 
in prizes to lucky viewers.   Prizes include Ft-950, IC80AD, LDG auto antenna 
tuners, Diawa SWR/wattmeters, Antennas, Heil Boom sets, Tentec mics, $500 
toward and Alpha Amp, communication speakers, Kantronics KPC-3+, Peetbros 
weather stations, Ham hats, qsl cards, coax, magazine subscriptions, and much 
more.   We gave away over $10,000 in prizes last year. 

  

All you have to do is be logged into the chat room at http://w5kub.com and tell 
us you are there when we pick and call your name.     You will be able to see 
live video/audio TV on the internet.   There were over 50,000 hams follow us 
last year in over 150 countries. 

  

Here is our schedule. We will be live from Wednesday morning May 18 th until we 
get home Sunday night. 

  

Wed May 18 th 0800 Central time 1300 UTC   watch us drive live the 550 miles 
from Memphis to Dayton, OH. 

  

Thurs May 19 th , 0900 Eastern time. 1400 UTC we will be setting up our 
fleamarket space 

Thurs afternoon we will probably broadcast the U.S. Air Force Museum 

  

Friday 0800   May 20 th 0800   Eastern or 1200 UTC start broadcasting the 
Dayton Hamvention 

  

Friday afternoon May 20 th at 3:00 Pm eastern 1900 UTC we will have Astronaut 
Col Doug Wheelock as our guest. 

  

Friday night May 20 th 1900-2100 UTC broadcast the D-star meeting at the Drury 
Hotel 

  

Saturday May 21 0800 Eastern or 1200 UTC Dayton Hamvention 

  

Sunday May 22 0800 Eastern or 1200 UTC Dayton Hamvention 

  

Sunday afternoon, watch us drive live back to Memphis , Tn (10 hour drive) 

  

  Watch us, join in on the chat room and talk directly to us or other hams 
around the world. 

  

W5KUB is not associated in any way with the Dayton Hamvention. We do this as a 
hobby and at no cost to the ham community. It cost a substantial amount of cash 
to put on a broadcast of this size. Any donations are appreciated using the 
Paypal donation button on our website but it is not required. We just want hams 
to have fun. Many can not make this trip because of distance, finances, or 
sickness. We get great pleasure out of doing this for those people. 

  

Our web site is up 365 days a year. When not live, we run recorded videos. Come 
join us anytime. 

  

Also sorry but we had to change the chat room at the last minute. This new 
service does not support any IRC clients such as Mirc.   We provide a built in 
client on our page. 

  

http://w5kub.com 

  

Thanks, Tom W5KUB

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[amsat-bb] Endeavour Lifts Off

[B J]

A nice launch this morning and the external tank's just been jettisoned.

73s

Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL

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[amsat-bb] short grid trip

[Rodney Waln]

hi, sorry for the short notice, i will be making a short trip to SD, by way off 
NE
my usual trip up to visit the middle if south Dakota, i am hoping to do a 
finish up the 
grids i started, the target will be semi rare DN93-92 and EN03-02 that some 
need,
time and satellites will be subject to availability of Sat's and travel times,
so i would say afternoon and evening passes will be best also.  
kc0zhf
 
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