[amsat-bb] Re: ISS orbit - was: SATPC32 ISS Showing weird operation
the end of shuttle ops will mean a higher orbit...there are other cool things happening like a new cubesat launcher mechanism. Robert Oler WB5MZO From: g.shirvi...@btinternet.com To: amsat-bb@amsat.org; ve3...@cogeco.ca Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 11:51:32 + Subject: [amsat-bb] ISS orbit - was: SATPC32 ISS Showing weird operation Hi All, This page refers to a major orbit boost planned for sometime after June? using the ATV as a big thruster http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2011/02/live-atv-2-prepares-for-docking-to-international-space-station/ No doubt this will seriously change the TLEs! It will improve the footprint/pass durations but reduce the visual brightness I suppose. Something to look forward to! cheers Graham ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: SATPC32 ISS Showing weird operation
HMMMnot for sure of who flies these days with the shuttle docked...but the shuttle orbiter is a crummy reboost tool for ISS...the engines point the wrong way while docked...Robert WB5MZO Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 03:25:36 -0800 From: ka1...@yahoo.com To: amsat-bb@amsat.org; ve3...@cogeco.ca Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: SATPC32 ISS Showing weird operation It is possible there was an orbit change thrust performed after the shuttle docked. When the Shuttle docks with ISS, the ISS autopilot is turned OFF. The Shuttles autopilot takes over for the duration of the flight. --- On Sun, 3/6/11, Marc Tessier - VE3TES ve3...@cogeco.ca wrote: From: Marc Tessier - VE3TES ve3...@cogeco.ca Subject: [amsat-bb] SATPC32 ISS Showing weird operation To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Date: Sunday, March 6, 2011, 12:21 PM Hello group, after finally getting my SSB part of the station fully operational, I then moved on to getting my packet operations up and running , and with great success, one wee problem, I have noticed this when tracking the ISS, I am able to still digipeat off the station even long after it is supposed to be beyond the horizon according to my Satpc32 ISS software. My keps are up to date via the Satpc32 software, is there a error due to the large amount of mass now docked on the ISS? or have the keps not be uploaded in a timely fashion to the server I get my keps from?... Run down of my operation conditions here are as follows... Radio - Kenwood TS2000 Software SATPC32 + Satpc32 ISS PC - Dell P4 2.4Ghz CPU with internet connection Is there another method of getting my keps to show more accurate tracking of this big bird?... Regards, Marc Tessier - VE3TES ve3...@cogeco.ca Grid FN25pa __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5930 (20110306) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: April 12 - Yuri ARISSat-1
We can celebrate many things about Yuri Gagarin, but one of them is not his space walk. You probably meant space flight...Alex Leoniv did the first space walk followed by Ed White.. As for ArISSat... oh dear. so many thoughts...Robert G. Oler WB5MZO 5N something and ARRL AMSAT NARS life member From: clintbradf...@mac.com Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 15:53:04 -0800 To: amsat-bb@amsat.org CC: ariss-...@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] April 12 - Yuri ARISSat-1 Yes, we are all disappointed that the deployment of ARISSat-1 has been delayed - in direct violation of handshakes and written agreements. But that does not mean that we should ignore the historical event that April 12 is bringing us: the 50th anniversary of Yuri Gagarin's space walk. ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: RADAR QRM on FO-29 video on YouTube
It is the radar off of an E2-C...heard it many many times while playing cat and mouse games with it... Robert Oler WB5MZO Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 05:04:30 + From: kq...@verizon.net To: glasbren...@mindspring.com CC: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: RADAR QRM on FO-29 video on YouTube Yow, that's pretty bad, Drew. You're probably too far from Eglin, so you think maybe it's from MacDill? Jim On 03/01/2011 03:35 AM, Andrew Glasbrenner wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPSvVEjrTzY This is just a short video of the severe RADAR QRM I had today while trying to work FO-29. This is about as bad as I've ever seen it here in Central Florida. Please ignore my son coughing in the background (he's getting better fast), along with one of my male cockatiels crooning to the female one. :-) 73, Drew KO4MA ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Satellite OPS9328 Launched 1967?
It would be nice to have an Oscar IV or an Arsene working! Robert Oler WB5MZO From: domenico.i8...@tin.it To: orbit...@hotmail.com; g7...@btinternet.com; amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: Satellite OPS9328 Launched 1967? Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 06:16:47 +0100 - Original Message - From: Rocky Jones To: domenico.i8...@tin.it ; g7...@btinternet.com ; Amsat BB Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 4:16 AM Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Re: Satellite OPS9328 Launched 1967? By the way it is possible that the downlink frequency was very close to the 2 meters band but I was not able to find any information about the frequency. 73 de i8CVS Domenico ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb greetings...the transponder downlink is in the EHF range...the telemetry signals are UHF...Robert WB5MZO life member ARRL/AMSAT NARS Hi Robert, WB5MZO Tank you for the above information.Before the launch of OSCAR-10 we where used to make HEO traking exercise receiving the beacon of SRET-2 a france HEO satellite in Molniya orbit. At that time 5 years after the launch the beacon of SRET-2 was only a steady carrier transmitting very close to 146 MHz http://www.tbs-satellite.com/tse/online/sat_sret_2.html 73 de i8CVS Domenico ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Satellite OPS9328 Launched 1967?
Steve. thank you for your gentle corrections and you are right. Should have remembered that better Robert G. Oler WB5MZO Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 23:19:45 -0600 From: melac...@verizon.net To: orbit...@hotmail.com; g7...@btinternet.com; amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: Satellite OPS9328 Launched 1967? Two corrections: 1. The satellites were actually built by Philco-Ford, which later became Ford Aerospace, and is now Space Systems/Loral.(TRW built the DSCS-2 series of satellites.) 2. Oscar IV was not launched with IDCSP. Oscar IV went up in December 1965, piggybacking on the booster that launched OV2-03, LES-3, and LES-4. The first IDCSP launch was not until June 1966. Steve MelachrinosW3HF On 02/22/11, Rocky Jonesorbit...@hotmail.com wrote: John. Initial defense satellite communications system...The first real communications system that the US military had. YOu can look on the web and get more information...but there is an amateur radio connection. The theory of the satellite constellation was that the satellites were dispersed about every 20 or so degrees in a almost 24 hour orbit which meant that they drifted across the sky, but slowly. This allowed multiple users by folks using different satellites and if one failed another was available. They were TRW satellites and the TRW amateur radio club got permission to launch a ham sat (Oscar IV) with one batch of satellites. Had IV got into the correct orbit it too would have drifted across the sky a few degrees every day. All the satellites were launched on a Titan III (a IIIC if memory serves) which had what was called the transtage which did the final orbit insertion and then deployed the satellites...in the case of IV the transtage failed and IV and a bunch of IDSCS's birds (and another test satellite) were left in an orbit that was highly elliptical and short lived. IV kind of looked like the IDSCS. Its great satellite history...the IDSCS satellites had a 7 year kill timer ( a chemical timer) but at least 6 of the kill timers had not worked. Robert G. Oler WB5MZO 5Nsomething and ARRL/AMSAT NARS member Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 22:58:42 + From: g7...@btinternet.com To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite OPS9328 Launched 1967? Just been looking at the tracking site http://www.n2yo.com/satellites Some great stuff on this site and thanks for posting the URL to the bb. At the bottom of the amateur radio satellite page there is a listing for OPS9328 (IDSCS 15) Were they ham satellites, I don't recal reading about them. Is this just a simple mistake in the listing? 73 john g7hia. ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Satellite OPS9328 Launched 1967?
By the way it is possible that the downlink frequency was very close to the 2 meters band but I was not able to find any information about the frequency. 73 de i8CVS Domenico ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb greetings...the transponder downlink is in the EHF range...the telemetry signals are UHF...Robert WB5MZO life member ARRL/AMSAT NARS ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Satellite OPS9328 Launched 1967?
John. Initial defense satellite communications system...The first real communications system that the US military had. YOu can look on the web and get more information...but there is an amateur radio connection. The theory of the satellite constellation was that the satellites were dispersed about every 20 or so degrees in a almost 24 hour orbit which meant that they drifted across the sky, but slowly. This allowed multiple users by folks using different satellites and if one failed another was available. They were TRW satellites and the TRW amateur radio club got permission to launch a ham sat (Oscar IV) with one batch of satellites. Had IV got into the correct orbit it too would have drifted across the sky a few degrees every day. All the satellites were launched on a Titan III (a IIIC if memory serves) which had what was called the transtage which did the final orbit insertion and then deployed the satellites...in the case of IV the transtage failed and IV and a bunch of IDSCS's birds (and another test satellite) were left in an orbit that was highly elliptical and short lived. IV kind of looked like the IDSCS. Its great satellite history...the IDSCS satellites had a 7 year kill timer ( a chemical timer) but at least 6 of the kill timers had not worked. Robert G. Oler WB5MZO 5Nsomething and ARRL/AMSAT NARS member Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 22:58:42 + From: g7...@btinternet.com To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite OPS9328 Launched 1967? Just been looking at the tracking sitehttp://www.n2yo.com/satellites Some great stuff on this site and thanks for posting the URL to the bb. At the bottom of the amateur radio satellite page there is a listing for OPS9328 (IDSCS 15) Were they ham satellites, I don't recal reading about them. Is this just a simple mistake in the listing? 73 john g7hia. ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Considerate satellite operations behavior.
Thats my 2 cents worth AGAIN WA4HFN Damon EM55 I've worked the fm birds and listen to them, even in Africa (well just listened so far) and I am really not sure what people are expecting is going to happen on a single channel device that has a comparatively low access threshold (meaning lots of people can work it) and apparently enjoy working it. Put another way...I dont see how things change or even what they would change to given the technology. A while back someone likened the FM birds to a DX situation and thats probably not all that bad. In a way the people who are good at getting contacts on those birds (even with high power) are good...they have the right equipment, they know what works and can make it work and its their cup of tea. It is not mine but as long as folks are building and flying FM single channel birds I suspect this is what it is going to be like...and my theory is have fun. My argument with AMSAT and others is that the organization should be leading by pushing more linear devices AND birds with larger footprints. Where I think things got off track badly was with the notion of AO-40...the theory that we had to build a satellite that people could work worldwide with not much antenna and other equipment. Oscar 10 and 13 (along with Arsene) in my view is about the baseline satellite that AMSAT should be building and trying to lead the satellite movement. As long as baseline satellite access is a handitalkie with a long whip...we are not going to see much different in my view nor should we expect it Robert G. Oler WB5MZO life member Amsat/Arrl/NARS 5Nsomething soon ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: ARISSat-1 test
One more curious thing If the sat package can be switched on and run for some period of time...then why not just keep it on the space station and hook it up to external power...and well then its a better package...? Because if it cannot be hooked up to external power and the battery situation dealt with then the batteries for the Orlan suit) are well going to drain pretty fast given the current use... Robert G. Oler WB5MZO Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 20:09:28 + From: m5...@yahoo.co.uk To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ARISSat-1 test --- On Sun, 13/2/11, g0...@aol.com g0...@aol.com wrote: I wonder if it will sit until July? After all the Russians KEDR name reflects the upcoming anniversary of Yuri Gagarin's flight into space. That was 50yrs ago on 12th April. So many questions Indeed, the Russian Federal Space website says that Kedr (ARISSat-1) will be Activated on April 12 and you can see this can be acheived by connecting ARISSat-1 to the ISS antenna as they did on Feb 10. I'd like to express my thanks to all the ARISSat team volunteers who've been working so hard recently to get the telemetry decoding software, Website/twitter and other activites all ready for Feb 16. The deployment of ARISSat-1 was originally planned for the end of Feb and was then brought forward by 2 weeks so the volunteers must have been working flat out to get everything ready. It now looks like we have to wait until July for deployment but that's Space for you, it's a high risk arena - nothings certain. I look forward to July. 73 Trevor M5AKA ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: ARISSat-1 test
Indeed, the Russian Federal Space website says that Kedr (ARISSat-1) will be Activated on April 12 and you can see this can be acheived by connecting ARISSat-1 to the ISS antenna as they did on Feb 10.. curious how that works with battery life. It is kind of interesting that the Energia folks seem to have thought this one up on their own, it seems to have caught the AMSAT folks a tad by surprise... Robert G. Oler WB5MZO ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: ARISSat-1 - Batteries
Clint...I will be surprised if the battery last well a month. The environment in the Orlan suits is very very unique. The battery is not designed for the charge/discharge cycles of a free flyer...and as I recall the Russians keep good tabs on the charge/discharge cycles of the batteries... Your statement is an accurate summary...but I suspect that the Russians know something here Robert G. Oler WB5MZO CC: amsat-bb@amsat.org From: clintbradf...@mac.com Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ARISSat-1 - Batteries Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 21:04:55 -0800 To: orbit...@hotmail.com My comment was an accurate summary of what was posted on the Roscosmos PAO site. But it certainly doesn;t necessary reflect reality. I can very easily see how the information could have been misinterpreted ... or mis-stated. I mean, the batteries aren't going to give out in two months' time. Can't you see someone stating in a media session, We're afraid the satellite will decay in two months ... and that being written up as, The batteries aren't going to last. The past 72 hours have shown to me that the best media filtering - being defined as receiving info and validating it is being produced by AMSAT-NA and the ARISSat-1 team, and reflected on their respective Web sites. Just Clint's opinion, of course. Clint, K6LCS ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: ARISSat-1 - Batteries
This seems to have caught the AMSAT folks by surprise...I would be curious about any comments from them. Having said that...someone somewhere should at least be doing a thought experiment about what would have to happen to leave the payload in the station as a permanent device...not as a free flyer. The Russians have dealt with any real objections that could be raised about the operation of the payload on the station...most of the ones that would be studied to death would come from NASA, but clearly the Russians dont care (as they frequently dont) so they are fine with it operating. Based on the op time already if the battery is not recharged, the bat does not have much life left in it...and if it is not recharged after the use on the 12th it will likely have no life...that will limit enormously the payload use of the free flyer. I can think of three legitimate issues with the payload staying on the station (and these are just off the top of my head). Thermal...the thing was designed as a free flyerwith temp extremes far greater then on the station so... Power...some other information indicates that a cable would have to go up to the station probably need some power interface stuff... Storage...the payload is not in a package good for internal use. The entire thing is kind of interesting... Robert G. Oler WB5MZO Life member AMSATARRL From: clintbradf...@mac.com Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 12:15:44 -0800 To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] ARISSat-1 - Batteries The Russians didn't think ARISSat-1's batteries would last from Feb 16 to April 12 - April 12 being the anniversary of Gagarin's historic 1961 flight. Kedr to Be Switched on in the ISS on April 12 15.02.2011 Russian cosmonauts Dmitry Kondratiev and Oleg Skripochka won�t launch small spacecraft Kedr during their spacewalk scheduled for Feb.16, Roscosmos Stats Secretary, Deputy Head Vitaly Davydov told news media. According to him, the idea is to switch on Kedr inside the ISS on April 12, in order to commemorate the jubilee of Yury Gagarin�s mission. Weak batteries of the RF-amateur satellite won�t let it fly and transmit signals until this date, if the satellite is launched on Feb. 16. Small spacecraft Kedr developed under the RadioSkaf experiment bears the name adopted by Yu.A. Gagarin call sign in his historical flight, namely Kedr. The satellite�s signal will be transmitted at radio amateur frequency of 145.95 MHz. Kedr has radio amateur call sign RS1S. RadioSkaf is implemented in the framework of UNESCO�s student space education program. Roscosmos PAO ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] ARISSat-1 test
Interesting comments: During the test, RSC-Energia decided to keep the transmitter on until Friday morning. Hmmm curious about a few things but... what impact this test has had on battery life, considering the vehicle now sits until at least July... Robert G. Oler WB5MZO life member AMSAT/ARRL soon to be NAARS and 5Nsomething ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: ARISSat-1 - Dumb Question
Hello All.. A basic rule of the internets is in the discussion of orbits when Hohmann transfers are brought up the easy discussion is over (grin)...but everyone below has the essential points. When a velocity vector modification is made in an orbit the area rule means that the changes to the orbit are increasingly felt as the antipodal or 180 degree point is approached. IN addition of course other factors act on the orbit and as Bob described it in the cares of ARISSAT the main one would be drag as the probe has a lot less mass then the space station...this will quickly remove the satellite from the orbital altitude of the station...although Bob is correct in a perfect world the satellite and ISS would meet again one orbit later. There is a great deal of difference in prox ops and long term orbit modifications. This is not initiative. The closest thing to it is in basic pilot training teaching the notion of a turn around a point. Here the change vector is wind and it takes a bit of instruction to recognize that any changes made now do not really manifest themselves until about 90 degrees later. There are several strange things that celestial mechanics drive. It took sometime to recognize that when the shuttle and station dock, the center of gravity of both vehicles combine to move the CG well outside the combined stack. (think of how the shuttle VRS say how a Progress docks as well as the relative mass of the vehicles). This eventually drove changes in the docking and latching procedure. Robert G. Oler WB5MZO Life Member AMSAT/ARRL and NARA and soon to be 5N something. CC: orbit...@hotmail.com; ko6th_g...@hotmail.com; g0...@aol.com; clintbradf...@mac.com; amsat-bb@amsat.org From: saguaroas...@cox.net Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: ARISSat-1 - Dumb Question Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 17:51:12 -0700 To: bruni...@usna.edu This time I'll actually type something before hitting send;) The two burn maneuver is essentially a Hohmann transfer maneuver. The point of the first burn becomes the new apogee or perigee (depending on the direction of the burn). The burn will raise or lower the antipodal point from where the burn occurred. At that point a second burn in the same direction will bring the point of the first burn to the new level. But you all probably already knew that:) If you want to play around with this try this: http://orbit.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/home.php Sent from my iPod Rick Tejera Editor, SACnews Saguaro Astronomy Club www.saguaroastro.org K7TEJ On Feb 10, 2011, at 17:17, Bob Bruninga bruni...@usna.edu wrote: a retrograde maneuver will remove ARISSsat from the proximity of ISS very very quickly. It is interesting that any such one-thrust (arm throw) maneuver will then intersect the ISS exactly one orbit later. In theory that is. But the difference in drag at that low altitude will usually be enough to have a safe miss distance on the next and subsequent orbits. I think that is why most space maneuvers require two burns. One to start a new orbit (but it will still intersect the original orbit on every orbit. Then a second burn somewhere else in the orbit to get rid of that intersecting point? Bob, WB4APR ... Clint. When ARISSAT is released it will stay in the Plane of ISS orbit...they will toss it retrograde meaning in the opposite direction of the velocity vector and with its slightly lower velocity the orbit will start to decrease...this is done so that very quickly the orbits will stop being prox ops reasonably fast. If so, then I believe as the orbit altitude is reduced, the apparent velocity increases.(??) which will cause ARISsat-1 to 'move ahead' of the ISS over a few hours But didn't we say the velocity would be less than the ISS due to the method of deploying it against the velocity vector ? Interesting puzzler, eh? From what I have read in the past, I think this their logic. What they are trying to do is to separate the orbits of the ISS and ARISSat as quickly as possible, to avoid the potential for a collision. Consider the options: 1. Throw it sideways to the ISS orbit. The result is that twice per orbit the two spacecraft's paths will cross, side to side. Bad idea. 2. Throw it ahead of the ISS (faster orbit speed). This will raise the orbit, slightly, and also make it a bit elliptical (up and down). The higher orbit makes the satellite go behind the ISS, but the elliptical shape also means that the orbits will cross every orbit (but out of phase, so they won't be at the same place when they do). But, then as the ARISSat orbit decays, they will get closer and closer, potentially getting back to the same place. Not good, either. 3. Throw it behind the ISS (slower orbit). As you note, this will lower the orbit (and make it a bit elliptical), and initially the apogee of the
[amsat-bb] Re: ARISSat-1 - Dumb Question
Celestial mechanics is a brain teaser...but most of what has been said here is more or less correct. The trick is to realize that the ONLY orbit where the velocities (and energy) are constant is a perfectly circular one...and that really doesnt happen but in theory (although some come very close)...a retrograde manuever will remove ARISSsat from the proximity of ISS very very quickly. Robert G. Oler WB5MZO From: ko6th_g...@hotmail.com To: g0...@aol.com; clintbradf...@mac.com; amsat-bb@amsat.org Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 21:12:28 -0800 Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ARISSat-1 - Dumb Question From: g0...@aol.com Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 15:45:36 -0500 To: clintbradf...@mac.com; amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ARISSat-1 - Dumb Question In a message dated 09/02/2011 06:08:45 GMT Standard Time, clintbradf...@mac.com writes: ... Clint. When ARISSAT is released it will stay in the Plane of ISS orbit...they will toss it retrograde meaning in the opposite direction of the velocity vector and with its slightly lower velocity the orbit will start to decrease...this is done so that very quickly the orbits will stop being prox ops reasonably fast. Great, succinct info - MANY thanks! Clint, K6LCS Hmm. This is a bit of a brain teaser... So if the satellite is deployed towards the rear of the ISS, it's velocity will be slightly lower. So does that mean it will go to a lower orbit- (Same as firing retros to reenter)? If so, then I believe as the orbit altitude is reduced, the apparent velocity increases.(??) which will cause ARISsat-1 to 'move ahead' of the ISS over a few hours But didn't we say the velocity would be less than the ISS due to the method of deploying it against the velocity vector ? Time for me to have a Tuna sandwich. We all know it's probably full of Dolphin...and they are really clever. David G0MRF Interesting puzzler, eh? From what I have read in the past, I think this their logic. What they are trying to do is to separate the orbits of the ISS and ARISSat as quickly as possible, to avoid the potential for a collision. Consider the options: 1. Throw it sideways to the ISS orbit. The result is that twice per orbit the two spacecraft's paths will cross, side to side. Bad idea. 2. Throw it ahead of the ISS (faster orbit speed). This will raise the orbit, slightly, and also make it a bit elliptical (up and down). The higher orbit makes the satellite go behind the ISS, but the elliptical shape also means that the orbits will cross every orbit (but out of phase, so they won't be at the same place when they do). But, then as the ARISSat orbit decays, they will get closer and closer, potentially getting back to the same place. Not good, either. 3. Throw it behind the ISS (slower orbit). As you note, this will lower the orbit (and make it a bit elliptical), and initially the apogee of the orbit will intersect that of the ISS. Being in a lower orbit, ARISSat will move ahead of the ISS, and over time, as the ARISSat orbit decays, the two will diverge even farther. So, this is the safest. At least, I think that's the logic. If not, pass me some of that tuna... Greg KO6TH ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Antenna Observations/Question
Rick. on the cheap antenna front I've tried and had pretty good success with two things. First there is a 5 element Yagi design that was published in QST that uses/modifies an Archer 5 element FM yagi. I built one and added some 70 cm elements 90 out of phase and thats worked great. My home QTH is in a bit of flux (we are moving to a farm out by Santa Fe Tx from my home QTH in Clear Lake TX) so I built another one, put them both on a boom 90 degrees out in an X configuration, stuck them at 33 degrees and they work well. I will keep them once we move into the perm QTH. I've also used the crossed dipoles and Lindenblad antenna from QST (not the AMSAT one) and they work great. I modified one for WX satellite reception and am very happy with them. I am in Nigeria now and have a modified Lindenblad for my WX station here but its copied really well most of the two meter Oscars including AO-7. I didnt have Nigerian operating authority when I left the states (but now have a five year license) so I didnt bring any transmit equipment...but from the roof of the Sheraton in Abuja the WX version works great. I've got permission to set up permanent antennas on the Sheraton and I will be back so am going to have some good operating here. I would upload pictures, but I tried to upload some of the really big HF array on the road to the airport and they never showed up...if you want some pictures of what I have at home I will be happy to send them to you. IN about two weeks! Robert G. Oler WB5MZO Life member Amsat/ARRL Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 12:47:10 -0500 From: rjl...@gmail.com To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Antenna Observations/Question I've been on the birds off an on for years. I have an M2 cir. polarized pair at home QTH and am looking into a more modest installation for a summer cottage. I've built the K5OE eggbeater imitations and founds them to be only fair.I could by M2 eggbeater pair but I'm trying to do this on less $. I also have an Arrow antenna which I've tried some with a HT with only fair results. Any other suggestions out there? Mount the Arrow more permanently but at a fixed elevation and use a simple rotor to change azimuth? How about a homebrewed quagi? Any suggestions appreciated. Rick W2JAZ ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Eclipse Seen from Space
I just missed it...correct continent (AFrica) but to far south (Ivory Coast)...good news is that I will be back and have in works a Chad, Nigeria, and Congo reciprocal license...with a good operating room agreement with the Sheraton Abuja...The Sheraton is going to let me put up some permanent antennas... Robert G. Oler WB5MZO life member ARRL AMSAT From: clintbradf...@mac.com Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 15:40:58 -0800 To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Eclipse Seen from Space Eclipse, as seen by Hinode satellite January 4 ... http://bcove.me/57037ei2 Clint ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Is it possible to work LEO sats (FM or SSB) with antennas in attic?
Dave. It is not ideal, but I've made it work even on Oscar 6 and 7 from a college dorm (until I snuck the antennas up on the roof...) There is an entire group of articles by Steve Ford of the ARRL about what I call low impact Oscar antennas (including Attic ones). I've seen him post on this forum and you probably can reach him through ARRL (he has responded to me!). I bet he can point you in some general directions of things he has tried and the results he has had. His articles are technically solid, well written, and fun to read... Robert G. Oler WB5MZO ARRL Life Member AMSAT life member Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 21:59:42 -0500 From: david.n2...@gmail.com To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Is it possible to work LEO sats (FM or SSB) with antennas in attic? I have HOA rules that prevent me from putting antennas on the roof where I live. However, I can put antennas in the attic. I have an Az/El setup that I could mount up in the attic, but wanted to get some feedback from folks on any experience they've had working the LEO satellites with antennas in the attic. Thanks! - Dave N2TEB ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Amateur Satellite Frequency Allocations (LF)
Art..one of the best explanations I have read of the allocations. FB Robert WB5MZO Life member Amsat ARRL From: afel...@ieee.org Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 16:18:31 -0500 To: m5...@yahoo.co.uk CC: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Amateur Satellite Frequency Allocations (LF) Hi, Tevor! The general principle is that the amateur-satellite service has frequency allocations in bands where the amateur service has frequency allocations in all three ITU regions. The only exceptions are in the bands 1260-1270 MHz and 5650-5670 MHz, which are limited to the Earth-to-space direction, and 3400-3410 MHz, which are available in Regions 2 and 3. See RR 5.282. In Region 2, the band 7100-7200 kHz was reallocated effective 29 MAR 2009. See: RR 5.142. Until 29 March 2009, the use of the band 7100-7300 kHz in Region 2 by the amateur service shall not impose constraints on the broadcasting service intended for use within Region 1 and Region 3. After 29 March 2009 the use of the band 7200-7300 kHz in Region 2 by the amateur service shall not impose constraints on the broadcasting service intended for use within Region 1 and Region 3. RR 5.142. But, this is only in Region 2. So, until broadcasters vacate 7100-7200 in regions 1 and 3, the amateur-satellite service won't have a frequency allocation. Make sense?? 73, art. W4ART Arlington VA On 12-Dec-2010, at 03:37 PM, Trevor . wrote: IARU has been successfull in obtaining new global Amateur Service allocations such as 135 kHz and 7.1-7.2 kHz, however, the Amateur Satellite Service seems to have been forgotten. 7.0-7.1 is okay for sats but 7.1-7.2 isn't, Why? is the question that has to be asked. Currently IARU is attempting to get an Amateur Service allocation at 500kHz - should they also be getting that band for the Amateur Satellite Service as well ? Given the significant input of the ARRL into IARU perhaps amsat-bb members in NA could remind ARRL that, where possible, new Amateur allocations should be obtained for BOTH the Amateur and Amateur Satellite Services not just the Amateur Service. 73 Trevor M5AKA ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb Nullum gratuitum prandium. http://afeller.us ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] VHF and the space station
http://onorbit.com/node/2309 interesting story Robert G. Oler WB5MZO life member AMSAT ARRL _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Board of Directors Candidates
Just have a look at PE1RAH William Leijenaar web page http://www.qsl.net/pe1rah/ and look at his nano sat transponder satellite http://www.qsl.net/pe1rah/mysat2.htm Luc Leblanc VE2DWE Skype VE2DWE www.qsl.net/ve2dwe DSTAR urcall VE2DWE WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE It is a clever device. I've never been clear as to why AMSAT NA is not using it. Works great on the Indian satellite.. Robert G. Oler WB5MZO Life member AMSAT ARRL _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: IKAROS Solar Sail Successfully Deployed
It is headed to Venus (or there abouts) and it went out of range of my 8 ghz system the other day...pretty neat. Robert G. Oler Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 19:39:30 -0500 From: reid.cr...@gmail.com To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: IKAROS Solar Sail Successfully Deployed Is there anyway to track this? On 6/11/2010 9:38 AM, B J wrote: http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2010/06/20100611_ikaros_e.html 73s Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb _ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendarocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Tracking Falcon 9's Dragon Payload In Real Time
Bill. there are none now. The vehicle was powered in total by batteries (second stage and the Dragon mockup) and they have expired. The vehicle is essentially inert now. Decay is expected about 21 June give or take. Next launch with a full up Dragon is this summer. They have some roll control issues to deal with and a few other things...Robert G. Oler WB5MZO Life member AMSAT ARRL Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 12:25:38 -0700 From: b...@hsmicrowave.com To: top_gun_can...@yahoo.com CC: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Tracking Falcon 9's Dragon Payload In Real Time Does anyone have any idea if there are any signals to track? Regards...Bill - N6GHz B J wrote: http://www.n2yo.com/?s=36595 73s Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb _ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccountocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] a call for secondary payloads
http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n1003/27iridium/` these are all going on Musk Falcon. Robert WB5MZO Life member AMSAT ARRL _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/210850552/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] NASA cubesats...
http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=30294 there are going to be more ballast payloads particularly as commercial ops to the space station gens up. Just saw a thing today where almost all the folks who are planning to do commercial ops are looking at ballast rides. Robert G. Oler Life member AMSAT ARRL _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Excellent Supplier of RF Adaptors
I'l second that about Dave's shop. Never a complaint. Robert WB5MZO Life member AMSAT ARRL From: lafri...@earthlink.net To: morse...@optonline.net; rswa...@twcny.rr.com; amsat-bb@amsat.org Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 09:34:12 -0800 Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Excellent Supplier of RF Adaptors The best supplier that I found on the web - from E-Bay is http://www.daveshobbyshop.com/ They have a very large selection of RF adaptors, their prices are quite good, and they ship immediately. Have ordered both Male and Female to SO-239 connectors from them. 73, Jim , N6MV - Original Message - From: Dee morse...@optonline.net To: rswa...@twcny.rr.com; amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:13 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: RF Adaptors Before you go ordering through the mail (most efficient way) Check your local Radio Shack. I went in there and was surprised at the selection on the wall. 73, Dee, NB2F -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Randy Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 11:01 PM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] RF Adaptors Does anyone know where I can get An adaptor that is N-TYPE Male to SO-239 ( FEMALE PL259 ) ?? Randy - N2CUA ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Chinese GPS system
Hmm...it certainly would under certain circumstances raise the noise floor for a space RX...but a lot would depend on the analysis given the spacecrafts orbit RX antenna, etc. I can see times when the affect would not be that bad. I assume that the PRC vehicles will have some sort of beam shaping... Robert WB5MZO life member AMSAT ARRL Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 07:54:17 -0500 From: rwmcgw...@gmail.com To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Chinese GPS system Mode L anyone? We will lose that entire region as an uplink in an upcoming WARC would be my current estimate. On 1/18/2010 4:02 AM, Trevor . wrote: China launched the navigational satellite BeiDou-2 a couple of days ago. The system is reported to use 1256.52-1280.52 MHz http://www.southgatearc.org/news/january2010/china_launches_beidou2.htm 73 Trevor M5AKA -- (Co)Author: DttSP, Quiktrak, PowerSDR, GnuRadio Member: ARRL, AMSAT, AMSAT-DL, TAPR, Packrats, NJQRP, QRP ARCI, QCWA, FRC. the only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles Kerouac Twitter:rwmcgwier Active: Facebook,Myspace,LinkedIn ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Life Members
Glen. while I might quibble with some numbers, the sentiments you expressed are right on. The pejorative statements that a few made about life members (old etc) as well as the claim that people who are life members are making claims which are never stated, by saying that they are life members were completely inappropriate. It lacked knowledge and competence. In my view at least one of the BOD should have risen to the defense of the concept of life membership AND should have stated the obvious financial benefits to the organization of LM. While also urging all to participate in the LM concept. Have a great Sunday. Robert WB5MZO Life Member ARRL AMSAT Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 09:03:01 -0800 From: gz...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: Life Members To: k...@live.com; amsat-bb@amsat.org; orbit...@hotmail.com Having been a life member (# 463) since the very early days when life membership was first offered I would like to point out that, back then, life membership wasn't that cheap. In today's dollars, not absolute dollars, is a pretty staggering sum! Based on the consumer price index, the $50 that I spent for my life membership back around 1970 is today the equivalent of right at $3300! That is 66 times in absolute dollars. Compare that to the present life membership fee of $880. That means that we who obtained our life memberships back in the early 1970s paid 3.75 times what new life members are paying. If you don't believe these figures then do the calculations on the following website: http://www.measuringworth.com/uscompare/ However, the cash influx to AMSAT, at the time, was definitely needed and the benefits from the life membership fees of today's olde tymers allowed AMSAT to accomplish a lot of things which would not have been possible without the influx of cash. Therefore, I caution those who think that life members are getting a free ride to stop and think about the true situation. If it had not been for the olde tyme life membership fees the organization would not be what it is today IF the organization was still in existence! We olde tymers happily paid a premium (when compared with the present value of the dollar) to support the organization. Today, many of us are on fixed incomes and without our life memberships many of us would not be able to afford continuing our memberships. When the going was tough, the tough got going and contributed a significant amount of money in terms of what the dollar is worth today. The result is that we paid our dues (pun intended) and AMSAT is still benefiting from our monentary contributions today. We made an investment in the organization and we certainly deserve to reap any benefits from that investment. Glen, K9STH AMSAT 239/LM 463 Website: http://k9sth.com _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Life Membership
What have you done for AMSAT recently? - is a much more appropriate discussion. Clint Bradford, K6LCS AMSAT President's Club member - for each of the past few years AMSAT benefactor ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb Of course...then we should ask how the board (or boards) have managed to be a satellite organization that is practically out of satellites. Robert WB5MZO Life Member _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT adopts Acceptable Use Policy for mailing lists
Bbo. so clever. this is how the leaders of Amsat, you know the ones who somewhere in a discussion (and I see you reached this stage as well) start to tell everyone none of this discussion is launching anything into space... people blow fuses. YOU personalized the discussion. Until your post, the discussion was about concepts...but YOU went into and made it a personal engagement. it is along with the nothing is helping us launch satellites the last refugee of people trying to defend something that is essentially not defense able Have a great weekend...go out and do something...it will help that blood pressure. Robert WB5MZO life member AMSAT ARRL Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 07:50:42 -0500 From: rwmcgw...@gmail.com To: orbit...@hotmail.com CC: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT adopts Acceptable Use Policy for mailing lists Well please. Let me jump right in doing everything you tell me to do... NOT Signed, On 1/15/2010 3:43 PM, Rocky Jones wrote: This is almost farcical. Unable to launch effective satellites and more or less flailing as an organization the board has now turned to a acceptable use policy which is so broad as to be useless...it boils down to things we like are good and things we dont like are bad. entertaining Robert WB5MZO (All posts should include the author's first name and call sign, or full name if not currently licensed.) I will add Life member Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:11:41 -0500 From: rwmcgw...@gmail.com To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT adopts Acceptable Use Policy for mailing lists This is welcome and it took entirely too long. Its effectiveness will entirely be determined by enforcement: swift and sure. 73's Bob N4HY _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT adopts Acceptable Use Policy for mailing lists
Bob when it gets personal (because of life members like you) that is when I get out of the discussion...and urge other people to as well. Go out enjoy the weekend, solder something do anything to blow down. I will. I will help...last pass for me. take the closing shot if you want it. have a great Saturday...since coming home I try and I have embraced the line from the song I am so glad I am standing here today. take care make it a great day. Robert WB5MZO life member AMSAT ARRL Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 08:44:45 -0500 From: rwmcgw...@gmail.com To: orbit...@hotmail.com CC: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT adopts Acceptable Use Policy for mailing lists Because of life members like you, I can assure you I am not now and will not be in the future, a leader of AMSAT. I out of the game. I have not taken a call from an AMSAT leader in nearly two years. The only notifications I get are on the advisors list. So as a leader, I am next to useless since I have no role and am not actively seeking one. I want to do engineering should the need arise (but I am not holding my breath to tell you the truth). I have personally had all of the crap here I can tolerate as a volunteer leader. As for you, I would have long ago taken the pitiful excuse of a life membership donation you gave to AMSAT and returned it to you, with interest, and returned it to you. Please list for us the positive contributions you have made to the organization since you gave it your dues ages ago. Bob McGwier, N4HY Life Member AMSAT and ARRL P.S. And by the way. I have done a few other minor things along the way in addition to giving these organizations less money than I spend on coffee in a year. On 1/16/2010 8:35 AM, Rocky Jones wrote: Bbo. so clever. this is how the leaders of Amsat, you know the ones who somewhere in a discussion (and I see you reached this stage as well) start to tell everyone none of this discussion is launching anything into space... people blow fuses. YOU personalized the discussion. Until your post, the discussion was about concepts...but YOU went into and made it a personal engagement. it is along with the nothing is helping us launch satellites the last refugee of people trying to defend something that is essentially not defense able Have a great weekend...go out and do something...it will help that blood pressure. Robert WB5MZO life member AMSAT ARRL -- (Co)Author: DttSP, Quiktrak, PowerSDR, GnuRadio Member: ARRL, AMSAT, AMSAT-DL, TAPR, Packrats, NJQRP, QRP ARCI, QCWA, FRC. the only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles Kerouac Twitter:rwmcgwier Active: Facebook,Myspace,LinkedIn _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AO-7 feat!
outstanding... Robert WB5MZO Life member Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:40:15 + From: w7...@comcast.net To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-7 feat! To break away from the current irrelevant thread. A momentous QSO from WC7V in DN45 to RN1NW in KP71 took place today on AO-7. The distance is about 7659 km. Great going guys! Stretching to foot print is always a challenge and fun. I now return you to the current round of bs. 73 Bob W7LRD Washington State AMSAT area coordinator ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 5, Issue 25
From: kevin.j.sm...@comcast.net To: orbit...@hotmail.com; amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 5, Issue 25 Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:35:01 -0500 Robert, Of course you would give a D minus. (I thought Clinton's analogy had merit but then I guess I am among the ignorant.) Kevin, N3HKQ kevin. I dont think you will find a post where I make the claim you do (Your arguments, comparisons and analogies are always spot on and relevant while everyone else's is hopelessly and haplessly off the mark.) such a claim is the definition of hubris and if I do make a comparison you are free to try and refute it or state how it flounders. I believe Clinton's flounders because to compare a board which is open in the public domain to private property which is at the heart of a Free Republic is in my view cheapening of both the concepts of speech and private property. Having traveled a tad in the world I have come even more so to value both notions. As for saving people from themselves. I learned a long time ago that people who have no personal responsibility can as adults not be taught it...it is a personal thing Robert WB5MZO Life Member AMSAT ARRL _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390708/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Life Members
Since we are going down that path, I just wanted you to know that when I read Life Member I hear the words cheap, discount, looking for a deal, old fart in my head. Jeff, KE9V Jeff. I am sure you do and thanks for sharing. It takes a bit of sophistication and some knowledge to get past that simplistic understanding. perpetual memberships if managed correctly (and with AMSAT I realize that is a big IF) are not a gift soley for the member, ie give them cheap membership for life...they really are a gift for the organization and generally are a win win for both the member and the organization. BOD who set up perpetual memberships (USNI, ARRL The TAMU Association of Former Students to name three varying groups) dont do it just to give people cheap membership. They do it to allow the organization base money which when properly invested returns yearly far more then the membership cost (ie the magazine a percentage of member services etc). Obviously if an 18 year old invest in a perpetual membership and then succumbs within a few years...there is some money made...but if done correctly the 18 year olds membership will still be paying for the member services (again the mag etc) when the 18 year old is many many years older (far older then just the life membership divided by the average yearly cost of membership over a period of years). The block money over a given year is invested in a basic block investment (meaning the preceeding years) and the interest alone, more then works out. In addition done smartly the sum while drawing interest can be low interest borrowed against. when I was President of The community association that our house in Clear Lake is a part of (and it is far larger then AMSAT NA)...we started life memberships to the various facilities which were also available on a year to year basis fee. It wasnt hard to set it up...a major brokerage firm did it for us...and we make money on a life membership that last for 40 years (and that was only because the timelines couldnt be run out any farther) EVEN IF 50 percent of the residential property owners took advantage of the offer. A classmate manages life membership for USNI (United States Naval Institute) and a few other groups... and they make money on it...and that includes memberships that start at 22. When I was investigating perpetual memberships for our association I was told by this person that USNI would make money if over 50 percent of those applying for membership at 22 took life membership. I know you need both an arguing point, and doubtless have not thought the issue of life membership through all that much. Have fun with the arguing point, I am sure it makes you feel great... but like most gut feelings it is wrong. If AMSAT is not making money off of a life membership then someone somewhere really fracked up. And sadly it would not surprise me. Sorry to burst your bubble. I became a life member (and urge others to do the same) because it gives the organization a baseline of financing which to survive. Robert WB5MZO Life Member _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: LEO/cube sat for sale 8000$
Luc...while one hopes..there is in addition to your point, almost no chance that this launcher will fly. There are very very big changes coming to human spaceflight in the US..and Falcon is the launch vehicle to (in my view) bet on Robert WB5MZO Life Member Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:43:56 -0500 From: b...@innismir.net To: luclebla...@videotron.ca CC: amsat-bb@amsat.org; eu-am...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: LEO/cube sat for sale 8000$ Luc Leblanc wrote: As they said TubeSats are designed to be orbit-friendly. Launches are expected to begin in December of 2010. Probably the replacing solution for our aging AMSAT-NA satellite fleet? Anyone with 8000$ can own his own satellite let me guess in a couple of years the same repeater frenzy will also reach the amateur satellite world. No more need of club or organization or IARU frequencies coordination . The perfect world... You missed the sentence before that one: After operating for a few months (the exact length of time on orbit is dependent on solar activity), they will safely re-enter the atmosphere and burn-up. Not a very good platform for an amateur radio satellite. Unless you want to burn $32K/year/satellite. Also questionable since the tubesat is a smaller package then a single cubesat. -- Ben Jackson - N1WBV - New Bedford, MA bbj at innismir.net - http://www.innismir.net/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT adopts Acceptable Use Policy for mailing lists
This is almost farcical. Unable to launch effective satellites and more or less flailing as an organization the board has now turned to a acceptable use policy which is so broad as to be useless...it boils down to things we like are good and things we dont like are bad. entertaining Robert WB5MZO (All posts should include the author's first name and call sign, or full name if not currently licensed.) I will add Life member Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:11:41 -0500 From: rwmcgw...@gmail.com To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT adopts Acceptable Use Policy for mailing lists This is welcome and it took entirely too long. Its effectiveness will entirely be determined by enforcement: swift and sure. 73's Bob N4HY _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship
Clint. I dont agree with much of that. I agree that the 1st amendment only applies to government at all levels (through the 14th)...but moderating the discussion to delete such things as death threats or whatever is far different then moderating it to put a particular group or sub group in a better light. I dont see any evidence of that yet, but the guidelines are so broad as to be meaningless. This is what I really disagree with. This messagegroup - and millions of others - is a private party. NOT government-run nor sponsored. We're mere visitors entering and using it, and we have to abide by its rules - else we go elsewhere. Like guests in your home, there's an expected set of rules for behavior, and AMSAT just laid them out in black and white. Clint Bradford, K6LCS http://www.k6lcs.com not really. AMSAT is a private group, but a group of members. If you are a member of AMSAT in my view short of threatening death or shouting fire when there is no fire...you pretty much get to lay ones two cents on the line. The AMSAT BOD is more or less acting, in my view, like our politicians in Washington ie once they are elected they are to busy to listen to the people who make up the group. Robert WB5MZO Life member _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship
I find the entire thing rather silly. If the organization were flying satellites and functioning well that might be something but as it is...it is sort of like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAeqVGP-GPMfeature=related Gentleman you can't fight in here, This is the war room courtesy Dr. Strangelove Robert WB5MZO life member CC: amsat-bb@amsat.org From: clintbra...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:57:22 -0800 To: orbit...@hotmail.com ... but the guidelines are so broad as to be meaningless ... I see the guidelines as a verbose version of: Be a responsible citizen of the planet. Clint _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship
When you are using the private resources of the AMSAT corporation, they can do whatever they like. -Steve N1JFU - http://n1jfu.blogspot.com - sme...@twitter that probably holds true (I am not a lawyer nor do I play one on TV but I have been associated in a governing capacity with Amsat like organizations, much larger ones in fact) as long as one is not a member. If you are a member however, not so much. Robert WB5MZO life member _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 5, Issue 25
Yo Clint bad comparison. Your house, my house(s) (grin), (insert names) house is private property with an expectation both in common law, law, and ethics of privacy. It is no where near the same as a public board which would not exist without the funds of members who pay dues. If the AMSAT board members were doing all the financial lifting for the board with no dues used then there might be some better comparison...but ... sorry the comparison is not even close. In fact it is frankly very poor...about the worst one can have. nice try. I would have to give you a D minus Robert WB5MZO life member From: clintbra...@earthlink.net Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:06:01 -0800 To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 5, Issue 25 ... If you are a member of AMSAT in my view short of threatening death or shouting fire when there is no fire...you pretty much get to lay ones two cents on the line ... Yo, Robert - I'm coming over to your house this weekend. No, you didn't invite me, but I'll show up anyway. I am bringing my sick St. Bernard - he might mess up the carpet a little until he gets well. I might stay a week or so, I dunno. I kinda like that artwork on your mantle - I think I'll take it home with me when I leave. Sorry about the spilled Pina Colada stain on the rug - I get excited while watching San Diego Chargers football. And I knocked a hole in the wall of that back bedroom - to feed some cabling through for the portable tower I brought with me. The smoke damage from that little fire I accidentally started in the kitchen won't cost you too much in repairs - and the awful smell will go away in a year or so, no biggie. Hey - the fridge is now empty - great Omaha steaks, by the way ... and I used up all your charcoal ... No, Robert, you would not welcome my presence in your house. You would ban me for life. You'd change the locks and have a restraining order issued. A private club's (i.e., one not sponsored by the government) membership message board can be set up in any way its officials decide. Those that are not allowed in have no legal recourse. Heck, there was a post today right here that - if *I* were moderating the system - would never have been seen by anyone else. And so it goes Clint Bradford, K6LCS ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Board
Clint...being on a listening tour and doing the will of the people are two different items. I have no doubt that any elected representative you have takes your calls, emails...etc...that is different from responding to them by actually voting that way. Amsat is an organization that has produced very little of value in terms of working satellites in a long time Robert WB5MZO life member From: clintbra...@earthlink.net Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:16:18 -0800 To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Board ... The AMSAT BOD is more or less acting, in my view, like our politicians in Washington ie once they are elected they are to busy to listen to the people who make up the group ... Your membership experience in AMSAT - and in our democracy - is way different than mine. I send an email on an issue to an AMSAT board member, and I receive a written reply in a reasonable amount of time. EVERY time. I pick up the telephone and get right through to the legislative aide I know at my US Senator's office - 45 hours a week, any time. For local issues, I can speak with either of two assistants to my county supervisor during the week. I have the home phone number of one of them. These entities are not too busy to listen to me. Developing effective communication skills may be a key in how effective one's message is. And if that message contains what the AMSAT BOD has identified as objectionable ( ... Illegal ... Insulting, abusive, harassing, or threatening ... Knowingly false or misrepresentative ... ) then that messenger needs to clean up his/her act. Clint Bradfiord, K6LCS AMSAT area coordinator, AMSAT benefactor ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship
lol Robert WB5MZO life member Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:55:09 -0900 To: kg4...@gmail.com; amsat-bb@amsat.org From: kl...@acsalaska.net Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship At 02:09 PM 1/15/2010, David - KG4ZLB wrote: It's not altogether surprising that this topic is being discussed but really folks, lets look at the facts! The whole issue revolves around just a few members/posters who continually try and push the boundaries on what is a large list with respected and influential members all over the World. We all know who they are; the ones that immediately post a facetious reply to a newbie question, the ones that post one line,or worse still, one word answers that are ambiguous at best and downright rude at worst; the ones that take childish delight in trying to elicit the maximum controversy with seemingly innocuous postings. We know who they are and they know who they are and the laws of defamation restrict me in naming them! There is a delete key on your keyboard; there are message filters built in to your e-mail client and if you really get offended then there is always the un-subscribe route. But if anyone on the list ever gets to having to be warned by AMSAT about their conduct on the BB or worse still, be faced with suspension/expulsion from the list then shame on you! For the most part we are all responsible adults involved in a fairly expensive hobby (note hobby) that is both highly technical and to most people, quite complicated. If anyone feels that they can do a better job than anyone on the current Board then by all means file a motion of no confidence and see how many fully paid up members back you. Put up or shut up. That we have even had to come to an Acceptable Use Policy for this board should make certain members/posters question whether they should even be members. Rant over David KG4ZLB ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb My Delete key is overheating...tell you anything? Those that do not cause rules have nothing to worry about. Those that the rules were made for ...wellI have a delete key ;-) I am way too busy in my hobby to bother with lurkers or naysayers. For a clue look at my website. Genuine , respectful debate will not be censored. 73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45 == BP40IQ 500 KHz - 10-GHz www.kl7uw.com 500-KHz/CW, 144-MHz EME, 1296-MHz EME DUBUS Magazine USA Rep dubus...@hotmail.com == ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Galileo Contract Awarded
Peter. this has to have been a win win situation for everyone. It essentially puts the final nail in the coffin of sea launch, the US has no real competition to the equatorial launch site...(OK Kwaj but thats still sometime in the future) and positions that side of the pond with a rocket that can at least take on SpaceX should (and when in my view) the Falcon9 and Falcon9 heavy make it into orbit. Musk has Kwaj (or Australia perhaps I know he is looking down there) but the only way The Europeans and Russians start losing commercial payloads back to this side of the pond is if Musk is a success. Otherwise not a chance that Delta and Atlas will compete with the systems at Kourou... pretty shrewd move Robert WB5MZO Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 00:00:28 +0100 From: peter.guel...@kourou.de To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Galileo Contract Awarded The answer is very simple: There will be - no Soyuz test launches - from Kourou It's a proofed and robust rocket. There are already commercial customers booked for the first flight.. Otherwise P3-E would be on it.. ;-) 73s Peter DB2OS On 08.01.2010 17:51, Bill Ress wrote: Aaah - good point and worth exploring. Now all we need are some contacts. Anyone have any suggestions? Regards...Bill - N6GHz Trevor . wrote: --- On Fri, 8/1/10, Bill Ress b...@hsmicrowave.com wrote: I would guess with the controversy regarding our 1296 MHz band operations and Galileo, we wouldn't be in good standing with the Galileo folks so looking for ride share opportunities would be out of the question??? I'm presuming the launches will be from the Russian launch site at Kourou ? Given it's a new site and the Russian haven't launched from a tropical climate before I'd imagine there'd be some test launches first. 73 Trevor M5AKA ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Winter Project
my project along your lines came from the third edition of the ARRL VHF handbook...page 102 it is an 829B amp for 144mhz. I've built a couple of them over the years...and they all played pretty easy just following the instructions in the article. There are some other 'easy amps the 6360 was a little hard to make play (it was my first OSCAR amp) but a good learning experience. I can (it will take a few days) scan some of this in and ship it to you if you would find that helpful. Power supplies are a little tricky. Fair has some transformers but they are ouch...I prowl garage sales and find OLD really old tv's that have tubes in them and are toast. the transformer is usually OK. The other day I had the Drake ML-2 and the 829 up (with a 40673 preamp) up as the space station roared over...it was kind of fun with the kids to have a back and forth with it as it flew over all with gear that is a few decades old... anyway let me know if the copies would help Robert WB5MZO From: dano...@email.itt-tech.edu To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 15:56:29 + Subject: [amsat-bb] Winter Project I'm looking for a winter project can any one point me in the direction of a 2 meter tube amp nothing crazy about 25-50 out, 1-10 in. I have never used or played with a tube circuit so i thougt winter why not. Thanks 73 Thank You Douglas Anoman KC9MLN kc9...@amsat.org Amsat #37043 ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Happy New Year
in 2010 DE WB5MZO _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] another bleep sat
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[amsat-bb] Re: Battery Charger Deal - TODAY ONLY
thanks Robert WB5MZO Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 14:20:59 -0800 From: clintbra...@earthlink.net To: amsat-bb@amsat.org; amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Battery Charger Deal - TODAY ONLY Today only, Amazon has the La Crosse BC-9009 AlphaPower Battery Charger for $34.99 shipped. And in addition to NiCD/NiMH charger, you get four AA rechargeables, four AAA's, adapters for C and D cells, and a travel case. Charger features four independent status displays, one for each of its four slots. They can cycle through stats like charge rate, discharge rate, elapsed time, and total battery capacity. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00077AA5Q Clint, K6LCS -- Clint Bradford, K6LCS http://www.clintbradford.com ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb _ Chat with Messenger straight from your Hotmail inbox. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/hotmail_bl1/hotmail_bl1.aspx?ocid=PID23879::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-ww:WM_IMHM_4:092009 ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Frustration Solved!
Just yesterday I spent a half hour wondering why my printer didn't print. When you remove the wrong ethernet cable earlier in the day and assumed it was the correct one for another device...well, you know the rest of the story. 73 Greg N3MVF Ah the old It was unplugged problema pleasant combination of Murphy and random chance... Robert WB5MZO _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Wouxun Dual Band Chine in AO-51
Nice Robert WB5MZO From: ce3...@gmail.com To: AMSAT-BB@amsat.org Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 13:29:46 -0300 Subject: [amsat-bb] Wouxun Dual Band Chine in AO-51 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhMda5btD6w my Setup is Rx Wouxun Chine Radio Dual Band Great Rx in Tx Motorola GP-300 + 5/8 Telescopic Antenna Tnk look Video Raúl CA3SOC - Are you still wasting your time with spam?... There is a solution! Protected by GIANT Company's Spam Inspector The most powerful anti-spam software available. http://mail.spaminspector.com ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb _ Windows 7: I wanted simpler, now it's simpler. I'm a rock star. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?h=myidea?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_myidea:112009 ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT NextGen Program Progress
Alex and Joanne...thanks for the correction...sorry I misread Robert WB5MZO Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:22:02 -0500 From: am...@elkmtn.org To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT NextGen Program Progress So Arisssat or suitsat 2 whatever it is called is now going to be ready at the end of 2010? Robert WB5MZO I said that we would be in a good position to have a NextGen 2U or 3U CubeSat satellite ready for a launch opportunity anytime after late 2010. It's up to the AMSAT BoD to (a) decide to launch any NextGen satellite (b) raise the money to launch a NextGen satellite I don't remember saying anything about ARISSat-1's launch opportunities, I'm not the ARISSat Program Manager. Alex, N3NP ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb _ Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurantsform=MFESRPpubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TEXT_MFESRP_Local_MapsMenu_Resturants_1x1 ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] no amateur radio payload but this is going to be
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n0911/10solarsails/ neat visually...wonder if the telemetry is in the ham bands? Robert WB5MZO _ Windows 7: Unclutter your desktop. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9690331ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen:112009 ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: ultimatecharger website
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/archive/amsat-bb/200205/msg00661.html it seems to be gone Robert WB5MZO Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 18:01:15 -0800 From: k1...@yahoo.com To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] ultimatecharger website Does W0LMD still maintain the ultimatecharger website, or has it been changed? I have been on this website in the past, but I can no longer bring it up. Thanks, Pete, K1HZU ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] New Russian module for space station
http://www.onorbit.com/node/1460 Nice story on the Russians preparing their next module.. Robert WB5MZO _ Windows 7: Unclutter your desktop. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9690331ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen:112009 ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: using a microsat as a potential high altitude VHF reflector
There are two neat concepts from the early days of communications experiments using satellites and Echo is one of them (the other is SCORE). There were a lot of ideas for follow on echos...one used a gravity gradient pole to stop the balloon from spinning and keeping it pointed to the earth, allowing a directional reflector to be installed in the balloon...another used a radar reflector like concept inside the balloon to increase the amount of DB that returned... The problems were large however. Doppler shift and tracking were issues at the time (and probably still are)..the antennas were going to have to be large (really large). My elmer in Dallas when he was in the USAF did some radar experiments with echo...I got to see it a few times. SCORE probably has more relevance to todays possibilities. Robert WB5MZO _ New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pc-scout/default.aspx?CBID=wlocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_pcscout:102009 ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: using a microsat as a potential high altitude VHF reflector
Drew. I had forgotten about West Ford...but they are all gone. While in grad school we tried some reflection test using the then prototype of the SPS 48E and there was nothing... Robert WB5MZO Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:12:54 -0400 From: glasbren...@mindspring.com To: samudra.ha...@gmail.com CC: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: using a microsat as a potential high altitude VHF reflector were there any ham radio projects (either through amsat-na or abroad) that implemented a passive reflector on an orbital vehicle like Project Echo Not long ago I saw some webpages and emails about some hams using ISS (or was it Mir?) as a passive reflector. Coincidently, I was reading about the West Ford project, which was launches of millions of small wire dipoles to be used as reflectors. Some of those clusters are still in orbit. I wonder if they are still in a dense enough field to reflect the 8 Ghz? signal they were designed for. 73, Drew KO4MA ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb _ Windows 7: Simplify your PC. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen1:102009 ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Ares
It is kind of funny. more will be spent on this launch (for 2 minutes of flight give or take) then Elon Musk has spent so far on his entire effort to develop Falcon 9 and he is going to try and go to orbit late November (give or take). Robert WB5MZO Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:00:54 -0400 From: kg4...@googlemail.com To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Ares Not yet it hasn't! Weather problems. rwmcgw...@gmail.com wrote: Launch at 9:49 am edt Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb _ Windows 7: It helps you do more. Explore Windows 7. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen3:102009 ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Ares will try again
WX did them in... Robert WB5MZO _ Windows 7: It helps you do more. Explore Windows 7. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen3:102009 ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: antenna question
This is a great paper and solid work. It doesnt have a chance of being implemented on an amateur radio budget or time scale to the point where a solid reliable platform can be flown. What the satellite group needs is more Oscar 7's (or VO 52's) and Oscar 10...Arsene and Oscar IV were not bad concepts. Face it, we are not going to make working the world on an HT a viable proposition. Robert WB5MZO From: samudra.ha...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:16:25 -0400 To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: antenna question While searching for public text concerning Amateur satellites and phased array antennas, I came across this gem from our very own Tom Clark, K3IO http://mysite.verizon.net/w3iwi/electronic_scanning_antennas.pdf, Electronic Scanning Antennas for Amateur Spacecraft. I wonder if this knowhow could be utilized for ground stations to have antennas that could rapidly switch between different birds by a software reload function and a intelligent switching matrix ? _ Windows 7: It helps you do more. Explore Windows 7. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen3:102009 ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] the future is coming
http://www.space-travel.com/reports/SpaceX_Completes_First_Stage_9_Engine_Rocket_Firing_999.html Robert WB5MZO _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: THE DMSP launch
Dan. But Amsat-BB is not read only by Amsat members. Anyone who Google's Amsat will find Amsat-BB very quickly. Negative and unprofessional comments on Amsat-BB hurt our image as professional satellite builders and could quite possibly kill our chance of finding our next ride to orbit. In the 1990's the ESA management handed the president of Amsat-DL a pile of e-mail printouts from Amsat-BB following the repeated launch delays on Phase 3D, it almost got the satellite thrown off the Ariane 5 vehicle. With launches even harder to find in today's world, we cannot allow such bickering to tarnish our image as professionals who can be trusted not to screw up the mission. Dan Schultz N8FGV so what? We should never on the BB have differences with the direction that the satellite program is going? YOu have to be kidding. The only comments I and others have raised or made have been completely professional. The folks building suitsat 2 did miss a deployment campaign, they just did. It is a fair statement to ask if the project is to complicated. It is fair to ask why for instance we are not using transponders that have flown on other satellites but are not built in Amsat NA or are not gee whiz gizmo stuff... And fair questions deserve fair answers. I am a life member of NA (as doubtless, all the keyboard commandos have figured out) that should be enough to get fair and straight answers. what have I gotten back? you are a troll or the folks building the satellites are working 18 hours a day or even more silly responses (You might hurt their feelings) and then there is Frank B's statement which caused a hoot I mean just a hoot at MOD. It has been on a level that my 10 year rise above on their face book page. The folks on the board and their toady's act like they are Donald Rumsfeld...and we should have all had far enough of that manner. AS for the folks who are building and managing the build of the satellite crop. WOW if they stopped would we be worse off? The launch campaigns have not been exactly inspiring. Look the board is going to go its way...we will see how Suitsat 2 works out. If it doesnt then it wont matter NA will have just about used up all its mojo with the folks on NASA Rd 1. As for the ESA thing on the BB...I dont have a clue how that played out. My only tag up with those folks has been over a decade ago. We mucked about with them for a bit on their microgravity airplane.(flying the Bus was fun)..and as a part of safety certification I got to go to FG to see how they do it and saw several launch campaigns.I found them completely professional and business like...and while I take the story as gospel the folks I knew in ESA would hardly be troubled by the comments on a BB which as you say can be joined up by anyone. Hope you are having a good morning. Robert WB5MZO _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: THE DMSP launch
Ken. I concur the conversation is pointless. how pointless can be seen in the childish level that folks like Frank B have dropped to. It is typical internet flame... Look the BOD is simply non responsive. they are going to do it how they are going to do it...and they theory is to shut down any differing viewpoints. See how suitsat 2 goes. If it is a success then wow their theory is validated and I will be the first to congratulate them. If not. Pick up the conversation then Robert WB5MZO Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:26:41 -0400 From: n2...@mindspring.com To: bruni...@usna.edu; orbit...@hotmail.com; n8...@usa.net; amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: THE DMSP launch Bob and Dan - I sympathize with what you're saying and know you both have AMSAT's best interests at heart. But unfortunately I don't see this exchange going in a positive direction. We all know this is not the first time somebody has come on this mailing list lacking a constructive motive. It appears that, with such a person, it is a counter-productive to continue the exchange. No matter what meaningful and accurate comments you might make, it will get twisted or otherwise re-interpreted in a negative fashion or in the light most favorable to an ulterior agenda. This is *my opinion* as an AMSAT member and thus *not* something I will debate online, or in private for that matter. Thus understand in advance [Rocky] why I will ignore any non-constructive responses to this message. I think we agree this list is a great thing for those wanting information, having bona fide questions, or wishing to offer a constructive opinion. I will be happy to exchange messages with anybody who (in my opinion) is engaging in something positive or constructive. I would, however, recommend that those of us who have AMSAT's best interest at heart try something different to deal with negativism. My suggestion is to attempt once (and only once) to steer things in a positive or constructive direction. If that fails, simply state that you are not obligated to exchange messages with anybody you believe is not pursing a positive or constructive agenda. Make it incumbent on the person making the objectionable comments to put things back in a positive direction if they wish to get any replies. If everybody who has AMSAT's best interests at heart followed that, I think we'd have much better exchanges on this list. Just a thought... 73, Ken N2WWD -Original Message- From: Robert Bruninga bruni...@usna.edu Sent: Oct 20, 2009 12:22 PM To: 'Rocky Jones' orbit...@hotmail.com, n8...@usa.net, 'Amsat BB' amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: THE DMSP launch so what? We should never on the BB have differences with the direction that the satellite program is going? YOu have to be kidding. No we are not.. You clearly do not understand volunteerism in a highly techincal endeavor where Those that can... DO and Those that can't should contribute or GET OUT OF THE WAY. The only comments I and others have raised or made have been completely professional. No, just incessant whining and no productive contribution. Either BUILD something, or contribute to those that are, or shut up and get out of the way.. (my personal opinion since I have NO position within AMSAT other than as a contributor where I can). And fair questions deserve fair answers. Yes, do some work instead of driviling... go develop some answers, and stop acting like a troll just wasting everyone's time. what have I gotten back? you are a troll Yes, all of your posts seem to meet that definition perfectly... Hope you are having a good morning. I will when I can stop having to read your drivel every morning... Bob ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] more information on the Iranian
http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0910/18iran/ bird and launcher... Robert WB5MZO _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: THE DMSP launch
Dan Why would they fly ballast on their rocket when they could have flown a ham satellite?... I didnt ask why. Your list sounds a lot like my 10 year olds explaining why something didnt get done when they know that they should have done it. Their first inclination (and that is a hallmark of childhood) is to try and blame someone or something elses. . Nothing in life is easy except inertia. Robert WB5MZO _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: THE DMSP launch
Dan 4. Ballast does not have an e-mail group full of whining little people who think they could have designed it better or that it operates on the wrong band or mode, and complaining loudly when the mission falls months or years behind its original launch date. this is the one I always find amusing. Almost comical and certainly childish. Are the people who are suppose to be the experts in building state of the art satellites so thin skinned that a bulletin board slows their progress? LOL If so then I suggest that they channel The Former First lady Nancy Reagan and Just say no either stop building satellites and move on to something that wont be at all critical...or just tune out and stop reading. It is the childhood equivalent of he called me a name LOL things are hard Robert WB5MZO _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: THE DMSP launch
Bob... LOL really it is funny. If one person can knock them off their stride then the deserve to bilge... I guess that any explanation for poor performance works Robert WB5MZO _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: THE DMSP launch
Samudra, N3RDX and S21X interesting post...there are lots of volunteer organizations and all of them managed to do things without the endless whining of they are all volunteers...gee if that could lift things into orbit Robert WB5MZO _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Mesbah-2
Peter...as I said, someone is building a cubesat. or something slightly bigger. Robert WB5MZO Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:29:44 +0200 From: peter.guel...@kourou.de To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Mesbah-2 http://www.astronautix.com/craft/mesbah2.htm ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: THE DMSP launch
Bob It is OK, maybe suitsat 2 or whatever it is called with be a success or at least occur..if it flops then all the folks who are always gung ho to make excuses can have something else to do! Work is also needed for those protecting inertia Robert WB5MZO _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: MIR sound clip
Bill..well done...nice tower shots as well Robert WB5MZO To: amsat-bb@amsat.org From: mrbill...@mac.com Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:55:21 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] MIR sound clip Here's a MIR clip I recorder years ago, using a cassette recorder with vox, hooked to a Radio Shack scanner. The file is named 8-25-99, but I'm not sure when the recording happened. http://web.mac.com/mrbillmac/Site/MIR_sound_file.html The file plays okay from the web page, on a Mac... haven't tried it on a PC yet. Bill Howell N5AB ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Why do hamsats? (Or anything else...)
There are all sorts of reasons why flying digital transponders is a good idea. Your cell phone (presuming you have one) 73 Mark K6HX ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb Mark...yeap we have cellphones here in Clear Lake Texas...you know we can send email, pictures, do GPS tracking wow isnt it amazing. And over in Iraq cellphones (grin) would allow the Predators to send pictures where the bad people are so they can be negated...isnt ones and zeros great. Next time you fly on a commercial airliner you should ask the drivers to let you look up front...lots of digital stuff there. Dazzle the crew and ask them to point out the Flight management systems for you! That still doesnt answer the question of why on Suitsat 2 they should fly a digital transponder. In my view better engineering doctrine would imply that we try and put the digital transponder ON ISS and let it cook there for a bit. Think about that for a minute. OK why would that be a good idea? Because the setup should be easier, if something goes wrong with the setup then the back room (SPAN) at JSC should be able to send up words which can fix the issue...then any problems with the Transponder as it is used could be resolved...and if the entire thing goes tango uniform then it could be brought back to earth (down mass is easy) and looked at. As it is, with the knowledge that suitsat 1 died on deployment...we would never know if the transponder was just not working or wasnt put together well. It is completely possible that AMSAT NA is so screwed in its technical ability that it might not be possible to get NASA to let that happen...but that would be a far better use of the transponder then tossing it out into space and seeing what happens. Robert WB5MZO _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: According to Rocky Jones
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 15:44:57 + From: ni...@ngunn.net To: orbit...@hotmail.com CC: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: According to Rocky Jones I guesswe need to get you on the design/construction team to show the experts how to do it. the experts were very successful with Suitsat 1. Eagle worked out good as well didnt it? Suitsat 2...dellivered on time ...oh well not so much. ARISSsat or whatever it is...fourth time is a charm Robert WB5MZO _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] THE DMSP launch
We have a unique opportunity with the Atlas 5/DMSP launch, as DMSP is a relatively lighter spacecraft than many of those that fly on Atlas. For that reason, we have a tremendous amount of performance margin. That's certainly not the case for some future missions that Atlas will be flying. So we're taking advantage of the opportunity before us to use some of that excess performance margin on the Atlas 5, said Col. Michael Moran, the Atlas Group commander. to bad we didnt have something to use that excess performance...they flew ballast on the flight Robert WB5MZO _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Why do hamsats? (Or anything else...)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 12:57:34 -0400 From: b...@innismir.net To: orbit...@hotmail.com I wrote: In my view better engineering doctrine would imply that we try and put the digital transponder ON ISS and let it cook there for a bit. you replied Yup, that would be ideal, I'm nominating you to head that project. This is right up your alley, as since you and your friends within the JSC can navigate the political process easily. Lets run this in tandem with the ARISSSat project. Thanks for volunteering! -- Ben Jackson - N1WBV - New Bedford, MA bbj at innismir.net - http://www.innismir.net/ one has to wonder Ben why didnt they try it? There would have been a few more issues involved in terms of operating the thing on ISS other then just deploying it (mostly RF work)... but... as for me heading the project. I'd deep six the entire software defined transponder, put it on a development effort with some heavy program guidance...find some people who wanted to build linear transponders even if they were overseas (such people exist already) and start flying as many of those as possible. Right now what in my view the satellite community needs is a 100 percent Oscar 7 or 10...not some technological development issues. If I were king we would have something to offer the USAF if they had spare lift on a Centaur as they just had...remember the original Oscar's flew on USAF vehicles. in the meantime I will continue to keep my technical skills sharp (grin) by helping the 10 year olds put together a buoy that is going to float in Clear Lake... Robert WB5MZO _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] someone is launching cubesats!
http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0910/18iran/ Robert WB5MZO _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Why do hamsats? (Or anything else...)
great input...work real hard on those thoughts? Robert WB5MZO _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Can we get them to fix AO-40 first then?
successful. On a more practical note, could there be some sort of failsafe battery went phut so disconnect it device? I'm guessing a perfectly ordinary inline fuse would be too simple, but perhaps some sort of mechanical latch that would just pop the battery terminal if it lost power would work. Gordon MM0YEQ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb that is fairly common in many spacecraft (I have checked a few designs) and most transport category airplanes. I dont have a clue why it wasnt put into AO-40 Robert WB5MZO _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Why do hamsats? (Or anything else...)
Diane. I concur in you're comments particularly that failure is not alone an indicator of incompetence. (my words but hopefully it is fair to you're thought) What in engineering (and in life) signals incompetence is moving outside of established engineering design parameters. Hence if one has a specification that no foam comes off the tank and yet foam comes off the tank on every flight...then dont be surprised when a big one comes off and ruins your vehicle. ( a modest summation of the Columbia accident investigation board). It is in my view not competent engineering to fly a payload, where the first one failed and it was several orders of magnitude less complex then what one is trying to fly now...and one has really no idea of why it failed. How is the later important? A prudent guess (and that is all it is) is that Suitsat 1 failed because someone on the space station put the darn thing together wrong. or the assembly instructions were wrong or... If it worked on the ground and in the various test chambers then that is one prudent method of investigation (AMSAT may know this already and just cannot say it out loud because the mythic heroes on orbit never make mistakes!) But before launching a far more complicated payload one might want to find that out (the satellite might help them here if there is not a lot of assembly to do on the station). But a software derived transponder is not simple and if the thing fails...most likely no one will know why. Was it some astronaut missed one of those switches or is the entire program screwed? What to do with cubesat then? AMSAT's role should be as far as possible to keep the membership supplied with functioning satellites. It is not the ham equivelent of DARPA or whatever. If the role is not to keep hamsats in orbit, then what does it do Robert WB5MZO _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: On the possibility of imaging AO-40
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:20:24 -0700 To: apbid...@mailaps.org From: anto...@qualcomm.com CC: amsat-bb@amsat.org; k...@arrl.net; n...@bellsouth.net Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: On the possibility of imaging AO-40 At 04:56 AM 10/16/2009, Alan P. Biddle wrote: Getting an image is clearly possible, but only if you can get a certain agency known by its initials to do it. I offer a different opinion. We know how large the primary mirror (optical aperture) of these spy satellites are, because we know how big the launch vehicles are, and the satellites had to fit into the launch vehicles. Therefore, I believe they are no larger than Hubble. Therefore, I figure the spook agencies can't actually help us. I think that you are correct..when Hubble was carried to Cape Kennedy AVLeak reported that it arrived in the same carrier as the KH's used. There are differences between the two I think, but the mirror is about the same (in my opinion) Robert WB5MZO _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: The Beef Frank is in the east
Tim Lilley - N3TL Athens, Ga. - EM84ha After seeing Mr. Bauer's post to the AMSAT-BB the other day, I correctly deduced that the silly and humorless title of this email was your attempt at being cute and clever in response. obviously no one is going to slip something past you When you drive into Hotlanta, have a Vasity Chili Cheese dog...(a dog walkin...as I recall)...good for the heart (not so much but it is nice to dream). Great town Athens. 73 Robert WB5MZO _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Why do hamsats?
Bruce. I changed the title. I didnt like Frank doing what he did in public and as far as I am concern the exchange is over. I got three points from you're piece...and they are good ones. First..the educational benefits of suitsat 1 and 2. I have no doubt thanks to folks like you (and others) there was educational value (and perhaps inspirational value) from the suitsat experience. No doubt. The other day when LCROSS was suppose to do the plume thing we had about 15 kids over (early in the morning) to watch it through the 12 and 4.5 inch tube. Santa Fe TX is a semi rural area with large farms...and the kids are use to getting up early, but a bunch of neighborhood kids came over with the invite of the 10 year olds...and we had eggs for breakfast and models and some computer tracking programs running...and even though there was nothing to be seen (turns out by almost anything!) there was a great deal of fun, some good education opportunity and all that. Problem is that the big question (the 80 million dollar question) still remains...1) did the mission do what it was suppose to do and 2) was it the best use of 80 million dollars to answer that question (as well as the unique opportunity the launch provided). Those are answers that do not get ameliorated by the educational value of what occurred. Education is a good thing, but but unless it is the primary goal of whatever was being done then the primary thing has to have value commensurate with cost all on its own. Ham radio is about communicating. If we want to turn its primary task into education then it will look very very different. Second the odds of success. I had let the topic drop until it was brought up by someone else. It is to me depressing. AMSAT NA in particular seems to be (at least in my view) on a high technology kamikaze mission. The reason Oscars I through 13 were quite successful is that they each (might have had problems) built on the success and knowledge of the last one.They were robust, single focused (ie they were transponders and limited at that). Todays efforts are one gadget after another in my view. Hence the sat population is decreasing. Suitsat 1 failed technologically (grin) even though it was a very simple satellite. Prudent engineering doctrine would say try it or something slightly more complicated again and get it correct before moving on to something vastly more complicated. Instead it is we cannot get people to work on it if it is not something cool. as if getting a vehicle into space that works shouldnt all on its own be something ... The folks who are in charge have chosen this path...see how it works. Third...I have no problem with them taking the opportunity Many years ago we brought the airplane that is today the preeminent two engine heavy into the old Denver Stapleton airport so the launch customer could show it off. (it was pretty cool actually, even though the concrete could handle the light weight of the big twin, the asphalt covering couldnt and boards had to be put down to keep the trucks from sinking). The launch customer (UAL) brought out a Boeing 247 for comparison. One of the first things that they did was open the airplane(s) up for school kids. They had pilots and flight attendants in current and period outfits...the educational value was pretty splendid. But it meant nothing if the Big Twin couldnt keep the wings on it (the problem with its sister) Robert WB5MZO PS...as for being sarcastic...I confess the end got the better of me. it detracted from my point! _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: DMSP F18's launch vehicle far exceeds mission requirements
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:54:47 -0700 From: k...@philkarn.net To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] DMSP F18's launch vehicle far exceeds mission requirements Seems like a missed opportunity for a secondary payload. Sigh. Yeap there were two oppurtunities. 45 pounds of ballast on the secondary slot of the Centaur...and the Centaur itself. Robert WB5MZO _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Why do hamsats? (Or anything else...)
Mark the two points you raise are interesting Education...you wrote in part . It does list intercommunication, but it also lists self-training and technical investigations, which certainly have a clear educational mandate. you can interpret that anyway you want to...but I dont see a mandate there to do general education...but even if there was one... it is bogus to say this project failed in its main goal but was a success because it did education. Put another way...the recent crash on the Moon and find water. Would you really buy that the 80 million dollars spent was well spent if the effort did not answer the basic scientific questions it was designed to do (and we dont know if it did or did not but it probably didnt)...if it did good education (my words). I dont. If the 80 million was going to do education, it should have been spent on that...and there are ways to do it. If something has a primary goal and that primary goal improves education then thats great...but when the primary goal fails...it is a stretch of massive proportions to say well it was a success because it educated people. I dont know how the education thing got into ham radio, but I imagine it is one of the virus that we got when we started interfacing with NASA for ham radio. There is no justification for human spaceflight (and I am not the only one that thinks that...the Augustine Commission agrees there is not) so NASA and its groupies try everything to justify it including education. Yes, we could kick a very basic linear transponder out of the ISS, and it would float around in LEO and allow you to make some contacts, but so what? What purpose would be served? A great deal. It would allow communications and experimentation and self teaching in ham radio which is the essence of the hobby. I'll turn it around. What purpose is going to be served by another flop like Suitsat 1? I hope I am wrong about the failure rate but probably not. We will see...Suitsat2 is definatly going the way it is. Robert WB5MZO _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Ares 1-X in highbay 3
see how it works...SpaceX is going to launch a Falcon9 into orbit this year...All Ares1x is going to go for is a couple of minutes! Robert WB5MZO From: josepharmbrus...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:06:15 -0400 To: AMSAT-BB@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Ares 1-X in highbay 3 The subject of this email says it all. This is too incredible not to share with you all and an interesting look inside! http://nasatech.net/Ares1-Xmid091015/ Enjoy, Joseph Armbruster ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Can we get them to fix AO-40 first then?
Peter. In the current configuration (or the last known config) of the vehicle does the vehicle have sufficient solar illumination to spin and maintain the DC busses without a battery? Robert WB5MZO _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] The Beef Frank is in the east
Pasture...along with the milking cows, a few goats, and yes the chickens and ducks. The Longhorn is there more or less for show (no tribute to George Abbey BTW) Sorry for the late reply Frank. My wife and I are pregnant so we spent the afternoon looking around The CLEAR LAKE Texas and Santa Fe area for hospitals that are on either of our health insurance plans. Then we took the in laws to dinner at The Aquarium in KEMAH (the boardwalk at Kemah) (it is the mother in laws birthday), after which we had some pleasant conversation. I stress our itinerary because it tells the group what you must already know (since you are in the keyboard commando mode) that I live in the area of Houston that the JSC calls home. Running the call sign would have told you that.The House is about 1.2 nm from the North gate of JSC just south on Space Center. In normal times I jog the course there and back four times in the morning. I've lived in Clear Lake for quite a bit. Still own the house there although after my latest DXpedition the housesitter wont be clear of it until Jan next year. Fortunately we have the farm in Santa Fe. Since I live in the area I have quite a few friends/chums/associates/neighbors/etc who are current employees at NASA or the contractors. They know I am interested in space policy, amateur radio (you should see the setup at the house in Clear Lake), and share things. That is one source of information and it is pretty good. It is good enough for the statement I made. (I am amused that you ran me through the data base, but caution you that NASA watch pointed out how flawed that data base is...) So after conversation with the family and before responding to the post you put out I fed it through the USC internet flame war program that is standard US government affair and found out that both you and Jeff Hanley managed a email that touched all the internet flame war points. Two peas in a pod I guess Frank, I dont respond kindly to emails where the person sending puts up a claim that I didnt make (know all that is going on within NASA) and then starts his own rant with a question based on that premise ( And how are you all knowing???). And does it all in public not in a private email. People on the board have asked me what I do privately and I've been pleased to give them chapter line and verse. This time I'll be kind and just chalk it up to you having gone zero impedance to ground over how things are going. I did find the Or are you using another alias besides Robert Oler or Rocky Jones? amusing. It is the weakest of the internet flame tactics you use and the most amusing . It is also even more nonsensical then the rest of the post from you. I have signed everything on this BB and as best I can tell on the internets (to quote our last President) with my full name or my name that has some identifier with it so it is not just a Robert. That is where the call sign comes in handy. With me posting my call sign if you are confused, well that is your fault, not mine. The line you use is a little above when did you stop beating you're wife in logical validity. Finally.. As for 80 percent of suitsat 2 failing...actually that is the consensus among a lot of folks at the center. I give Suitsat 2 less then 10 percent chance of working. That didnt take oh several decades of dealing with complex programs or a bunch of US government schools or a lot of engineering degrees to figure out. It is really not rocket science...Suitsat 1 was a bomb and it was much simpler. Now they are trying something more complicated... I am not even sure it deploys. If it flops well it is hard to see a lot of ham radio traction on the space station after that. But Just think, if it works you can tell me I was wrong! Wont that be fun? Are you upset because you have heard the same thing? LOL Find some manners, stop the internet flame postings and try and be a facts and data kind of guy in deeds no just words you will get farther. If you cant then I can get more aggressive!. Have a great Thursday night. Robert G. Oler WB5MZO From: ka3...@comcast.net To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:21:10 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Where's the Beef? Robert, You commented: As for AMSAT's ARISSsat transponder. Well we will see if it works. They are not exactly burning up the track record with success. We have had this argument and I am willing to sit back and see if it goes, but it is far to much project for the program. Most of the folks I know at JSC give it less then 20 percent chance of working...In fact it was a source of mirth at a recent BDAY party. All your e-mails give the impression that you are well positioned within JSC and know all that is going on within NASA. But when I did a Search for your name within the NASA employee and contractor database, the database comes up empty handed. Given that I am
[amsat-bb] Re: Can we get them to fix AO-40 first then?
Hello Peter and thanks for the reply...sorry mine was so late, busy afternoon. you answered my question. I had heard that with the arrays folded or based on some failures...that AO-40 did not have 360 degree coverage in solar cells around its spin access. If that was the case then the battery was going to be essential for any type of recovery...but since it is not accurate then I agree if the battery will open (do a seven) then the only question would be the Solar angle. Thank you for a very good and straight forward answer 73 Robert WB5MZO Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:30:03 +0200 From: peter.guel...@kourou.de To: orbit...@hotmail.com CC: samudra.ha...@gmail.com; amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: Can we get them to fix AO-40 first then? Hi Robert, that's indeed the big question... We do not know in which attitude the spacecraft is.. is it still spinning very slowly or tumbling? What is the Solar-ß-Angel? If the S/C has a good orientation to the sun and the battery opens, than there should be enough power to operate the IHU and Beacon etc... do some magnetorquing to improve attitude. Something like this was done when AO-10 was hit by the last rocket stage, spinning the wrong direction with sun directly on top and almost no power... Unfolding the solar panels would give very high power only when they are oriented towards the sun. With folded solar arrays, all panels around the satellite can still see the sun around it's spin axis. Only when it shines on top or bottom, we will have problems... 73s Peter Rocky Jones wrote: Peter. In the current configuration (or the last known config) of the vehicle does the vehicle have sufficient solar illumination to spin and maintain the DC busses without a battery? Robert WB5MZO Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] wonder if a transponder could go on this?
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[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Symposium News Posted to the Web
it will be entertaining to see how this progresses...most of the bleep sats die quickly...to much satellite for to little space...but lets see how suitsat 2 turns out I agree we need more Oscar 7's... Robert WB5MZO _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Symposium News Posted to the Web
Fred. lovely radar but it hoses some people! Robert WB5MZO From: fred.sanf...@ips.invensys.com To: orbit...@hotmail.com; n...@bellsouth.net; luclebla...@videotron.ca; amsat-bb@amsat.org Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:17:47 -0400 Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Symposium News Posted to the Web I hope that AMSAT NA does not use an 70cm uplink, because that band is not available for transmitting in all areas of the US. I live near Cape Cod, MA and 70cm is not available for transmitting because of PAVE PAWS. Fred - KA1CQD -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Rocky Jones Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:58 AM To: n...@bellsouth.net; luclebla...@videotron.ca; Amsat BB Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Symposium News Posted to the Web http://www.qsl.net/pe1rah/HAMSAT.htm I am just trying to figure out why AMSAT NA is not taking advantage of work already done. Robert WB5MZO _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb *** Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including any associated or attached files, is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This e-mail is confidential and may well also be legally privileged. If you have received it in error, you are on notice of its status. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. Please do not copy it or use it for any purposes, or disclose its contents to any other person. This email comes from a division of the Invensys Group, owned by Invensys plc, which is a company registered in England and Wales with its registered office at Portland House, Bressenden Place, London, SW1E 5BF (Registered number 166023). For a list of European legal entities within the Invensys Group, please go to http://www.invensys.com/legal/default.asp?top_nav_id=77nav_id=80prev_id=77. You may contact Invensys plc on +44 (0)20 7821 3848 or e-mail inet.hqhelpd...@invensys.com. This e-mail and any attachments thereto may be subject to the terms of any agreements between Invensys (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates) and the recipient (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates). _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Symposium News Posted to the Web
John. I was told by someone else that the problem was current use...but if ITAR is the problem, then it can be fixed. ITAR is a pain but it can be dealt with particularly in this case...where there is no dual use capability. As for AMSAT's ARISSsat transponder. Well we will see if it works. They are not exactly burning up the track record with success. We have had this argument and I am willing to sit back and see if it goes, but it is far to much project for the program. Most of the folks I know at JSC give it less then 20 percent chance of working...In fact it was a source of mirth at a recent BDAY party. Robert WB5MZO From: kd6...@comcast.net To: orbit...@hotmail.com; n...@bellsouth.net; luclebla...@videotron.ca; amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Symposium News Posted to the Web Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:06:13 + AMSAT has a U/V linear transponder design in ARISSsat and according to the last newsletter no foreign national has signed the agreement that ITAR requires. 73, John KD6OZH - Original Message - From: Rocky Jones orbit...@hotmail.com To: n...@bellsouth.net; luclebla...@videotron.ca; Amsat BB amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 15:58 UTC Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Symposium News Posted to the Web http://www.qsl.net/pe1rah/HAMSAT.htm I am just trying to figure out why AMSAT NA is not taking advantage of work already done. Robert WB5MZO _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Can we get them to fix AO-40 first then?
Larry... to add a few things to my post (and I admit this is speculation, someone from the command team can shoot me down at anytime). As a spinner -40 was in trouble power wise. I dont know but wonder if how the arrays were folded they would produce power while folded? If not then the vehicle was seriously out of power (I probably knew this at one point, but it was a bit ago). Spinners (like the Pioneer 6-9 Venus Pioneer and a lot of the communications satellites) are sized so that the part of the array viewing the sun is enough to power the spacecraft without the battery. The batteries are only used for eclipse periods (which on geo's are very short). (as an aside I dug out my Pioneer 6-9 technical information and the battery was designed to automatically disconnect with an undervolt...that is one reason the probes are very long lived). I bet you that in the spinner mode with the arrays folded -40 could only use some (One?) of its array sides. That meant that for some part of the spin the battery was discharging, then had to be recharged as the spin continued then discharged etc. I bet the battery and the associated circuitry were never designed for that. If -40 were to open the battery, I wonder if there would be enough power from whatever arrays are left to power the receivers (much less the transmitters) during the complete spin cycle. IE without a battery I wonder as the vehicle spun if the receiver(s) would stay powered long enough to decode a command? If the aux battery isnt any good and the vehicle is left in spin mode, the next question would be (if they could get the command link up) is there enough solar exposure to operate anything? (without a battery?) It has been years ago (decades) so I have forgotten most of it, but when they tried to reactivate Skylab before its doom...they had a similar problem with keeping the command recievers powered long enough to orient the arrays with thrusters and gyros.. As I recall they beat that by endlessly sending commands...and eventually they got the solar arrays oriented for real power. In other words my speculation would be that -40 is useless without some type of battery, as a spinner. I bet it is not much on three axis either since the arrays probably do not articulate... As I said in my previous post...the more I think about it (and its all speculation) the less likely I think AO-40 will do a Seven Robert WB5MZO _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Can we get them to fix AO-40 first then?
The national intellegence assets which would be needed to get an image of AO-40 that showed things are probably there...but if you see the pictures they have to kill you (grin). I know amateurs who have imaged -40 and done so enough to measure the light curve from it. Robert WB5MZO _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Good story on TDRSS 1
http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0910/13tdrs/ as I recall there were 50 some odd pounds of ballast launched with the bird...to bad it wasnt an amateur repeater. Robert WB5MZO _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Good story on TDRSS 1
Yeap...it is generally either concrete or lead...and the concrete is favored..something in my memory says however the ones on TDRSS were lead. somewhere I probably have a picture of the ballast being attached to the bird. Indeed I got a letter published in both AV Leak and Navy Times (as I recall) about the ballast...and other payloads. I also recall the IUS upper stage carried ballast as wellto bad it wasnt an Amateur radio transponder...lots of power on TDRSS 1. Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 03:36:07 + From: w6...@comcast.net To: orbit...@hotmail.com CC: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Good story on TDRSS 1 When I picked up these KLM's over in Lompoc, the fellow works at Vandenburg, and he told me that alot of the ballast is nothing but concrete !! Can you imagine all that concrete chunks out there and they know where the majority areamazing. - Original Message - From: Rocky Jones orbit...@hotmail.com To: Rocky Jones orbit...@hotmail.com Cc: Amsat BB amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 7:57:03 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [amsat-bb] Good story on TDRSS 1 http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0910/13tdrs/ as I recall there were 50 some odd pounds of ballast launched with the bird...to bad it wasnt an amateur repeater. Robert WB5MZO _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Understanding ITAR
dont like simple questions? Robert WB5MZO From: g0...@aol.com Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 03:16:45 -0400 To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Understanding ITAR In a message dated 06/10/2009 04:49:14 GMT Standard Time, orbit...@hotmail.com writes: Bob...why dont you give us an example of where ITAR has been disadvantageous to the Amateur Satellite community Robert WB5MZO Troll Alert ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: All Satellites
I would trade everyone of them that launched in the last 3 years for the first five on the list being active ...OK we have 1 out of the first 5 but all five would be nice... BTW I am quite sure Oscar V is still in orbit...but without ANY solar cell ability...we wont be hearing from it againand it wasnt a transponder But I still have a tape of it...! BTW Xenia OH is a cool place...when I was TDY in Cleveland for a bit a friend who worked where I was flying has a farm there...he recently sold me some Silver Appleyard duck eggs to stock our pond... Robert WB5MZO Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:09:43 + From: ni...@ngunn.net To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] All Satellites Here's a list of all (known to me) satellites still in orbit with some designed in (but not necessarily operational) amateur band functionality. For those that think nothing has been happening recently, there have been 26 (so far) satellites launched this year, 13 in 2008 and 11 in 2007. Thats 50 birds in less than the past 3 years. Catalog NumberCommon Name International DesignatorComments 1293 OSCAR 3 1965-016F 6236 OSCAR 6 1972-082B 7530 OSCAR 7 1974-089B 10703 OSCAR 8 1978-026B 14129 OSCAR 101983-058B 14781 OSCAR 11 (UoSAT 2) 1984-021B 16909 JAS 1 (FUJI 1) 1986-061B 20437 OSCAR 14 (UoSAT 3) 1990-005B 20438 OSCAR 15 (UoSAT 4) 1990-005C 20439 OSCAR 16 (PACSAT) 1990-005D 20440 OSCAR 17 (DOVE) 1990-005E 20441 OSCAR 18 (WEBERSAT) 1990-005F 20442 OSCAR 19 (LUSAT)1990-005G 20480 JAS 1B (FUJI 2) 1990-013C 21039 SL-12 R/B(1)1990-116B 21087 INFORMATOR 11991-006A 21089 COSMOS 2123 1991-007A 21575 OSCAR 22 (UoSAT 5) 1991-050B 22825 KITSAT B1993-061C 22826 POSAT 1 1993-061D 22828 ITAMSAT 1993-061F 22829 EYESAT A1993-061G 23439 RADIO ROSTO 1994-085A 24278 JAS 2 1996-046B 24305 UNAMSAT 1996-052B 25396 TMSAT 1998-043C 25397 TECHSAT 1B 1998-043D 25509 SEDSAT 11998-061B 25520 PAN SAT 1998-064B 25544 ISS (ZARYA) 1998-067A 25636 SUNSAT 1999-008C 25693 OSCAR 36 (UoSAT 12) 1999-021A 25756 KITSAT 31999-029A 26063 OPAL2000-004C 26545 SAUDISAT 1A 2000-057A 26548 TIUNGSAT 1 2000-057D 26609 AMSAT OSCAR 40 2000-072B 26931 PCSAT 2001-043C 26932 SAPPHIRE2001-043D 27605 RUBIN 2 2002-058A 27607 SAUDISAT 1C 2002-058C 27842 DTUSAT 2003-031C 27844 CUTE-1 2003-031E 27845 QUAKESAT2003-031F 27847 CANX-1 2003-031H 27848 CUBESAT XI-IV 2003-031J 27939 MOZHAYETS 4 2003-042A 28375 AMSAT ECHO 2004-025K 28650 HAMSAT 2005-017B 28890 BEIJING 1 (TSINGHUA)2005-043A 28891 TOPSAT 2005-043B 28892 UWE-1 2005-043C 28893 SINAH 1 2005-043D 28894 SSETI-EXPRESS 2005-043E 28895 CUBESAT XI-V2005-043F 28897 SSETI-EXPRESS DEB 2005-043H 28898 MOZ.5/SAFIR/RUBIN 5/SL-82005-043G 28941 CUTE 1.72006-005C 29252 GENESIS 1 2006-029A 29479 HINODE (SOLAR B)2006-041A 29655 GENESAT 2006-058C 29712 PEHUENSAT 1 2007-001D 31117 EGYPTSAT 1 2007-012A 31122 CSTB 1 2007-012F 31126 MAST2007-012K 31128 LIBERTAD 1 2007-012M 31129 CP3 2007-012N 31130 CAPE 1 2007-012P 31132 CP4 2007-012Q 31135 AGILE 2007-013A 31140 NFIRE 2007-014A 31789 GENESIS 2 2007-028A 32781 GIOVE-B 2008-020A 32783 CARTOSAT 2A 2008-021A 32784 CANX-6 2008-021B 32785 CUTE 1.7 AOD 22008-021C 32786 IMS-1 2008-021D 32787 COMPASS 1 2008-021E 32788 AAUSAT CUBESAT 22008-021F 32789 DELFI C32008-021G 32790 CANX-2 2008-021H 32791 SEEDS
[amsat-bb] Re: All Satellites
Jim...very few of them have any potential for Amateur use at all...most however also die quickly. Robert WB5MZO Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 13:38:45 -0700 From: kq...@pacbell.net To: amsat-bb@amsat.org; kg4...@gmail.com Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: All Satellites Do any of these have potential for Amateur use after their primary mission is completed? If they can be repurposed like AO-27, then I don't have any complaints. If, OTOH, all they're good for is sending telemetry for somebody's experiment, then I feel this is an inappropriate use of Amateur frequencies. 73, Jim KQ6EA --- On Fri, 9/25/09, David - KG4ZLB kg4...@googlemail.com wrote: From: David - KG4ZLB kg4...@googlemail.com Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: All Satellites To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Date: Friday, September 25, 2009, 1:10 PM I hate to say it but you may be right - the sky is now full of beep-beep sats! David KG4ZLB Rocky Jones wrote: The hamsat bands are slowly being converted into cheap telemetry bands... Robert WB5MZO _ Bing™ brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. Try it now. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurantsform=MLOGENpubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TEXT_MLOGEN_Core_tagline_local_1x1 ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb _ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009 ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: All Satellites
Perhaps when commercial vehicles like the Falcon 9 begin launching, we'll see a sufficient reduction in payload boosting costs to make raising the money for a HEO satellite with significant mass reasonable. We shall have to see. Mark K6HX ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb Mark if there is a future for amateur HEO's the birds are going to be more Arsene and Oscar IV size. Robert WB5MZO _ Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: All Satellites
Finally, a truism that probably bears repeating, though not addressing the two comments quoted above: if we call cubesats 'not amateur radio', then we should tar OSCAR 1 with that same brush. 73, Bruce VE9QRP ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb Bruce...that is really not fair. Oscar 1 (and 2) were first time for a lot of things and had at their heart the goal of building amateur radio communications platforms...that is why Oscar X (I think that is what they call it...a repeat of Oscar 1 and 2) was shelved in favor of Oscar III a communications platform. Both Oscar 1 and II lasted until their batteries ran out...indeed I think Number 1 lasted until it decayed..Oscar V tested communications technology from spacecraft stabilization to command systems etc. and it lasted until its batteries ran out .that is far longer sat life then most of the cubesats have. which mostly have nothing to do with amateur radio Robert WB5MZO _ Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
