Re: [Arm-netbook] Intel's at it again

[Jean Flamelle]

> Minecraft

https://terasology.org/ ; )

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Re: [Arm-netbook] Another processor with RISC-V and it's not looking OSHW

[Jean Flamelle]

On 2/13/19, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton  wrote:
>  now you know why i started libre-riscv.
>
> l.

Beautiful : )


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[Arm-netbook] Libre "New Art"

[Jean Flamelle]

I believe the term software should get avoided when talking about
libre development styles, in lieu of the patent requirement definition
"new art" or "a new artifact for all history".

Likewise I've substituted out "best" for '"Most
Effective"..."for"...', so-as not to claim absolute morality.

Memetics infrastructure, implies an infrastructure for generating
serialized morality for complexifying interpersonal interactions. We
cannot promise a series of guidelines thereof because we can't nor
should subsidize the moral requirements of the world.

http://rhombus-tech.net/proposed_best_practices/

P.S. Tip: The page still won't automatically update with the source.

I very much want to continue updating this page. We could
theoretically compile quite some interesting data. I also want to keep
writing http://rhombus-tech.net/Economics/ .


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[Arm-netbook] Free culture

[Jean Flamelle]

Biases as well as lack thereof distinguish individuals.
Whatever one believes might get muted by what one cannot choose to not
receive exposure. Colloquially "free to speak; free to not listen".

This existential health issue related to FLOSS in my opinion should
take priority over the information security issue.


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Re: [Arm-netbook] Reframing The Holy War

[Jean Flamelle]

On 12/9/18, Jean Flamelle  wrote:
> I want to clarify my illusion comment.
>
> One cannot guarantee security unless they study their computer's
> entire operation including how each other program. Open source helps

how each program affects each other program, individually as well as
in combination.*

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Re: [Arm-netbook] Reframing The Holy War

[Jean Flamelle]

I want to clarify my illusion comment.

One cannot guarantee security unless they study their computer's
entire operation including how each other program. Open source helps
against unintentional glitches, only some designed defects, as well as
bloatware, from a security front.

Linux's amplifying complexity hampers security.

Any excess instructions on the machine amplifies complexity, hampering security.

Open source enables free culture thereby enabling remix or customizing
one's mental environment.

On 12/8/18, Jean Flamelle  wrote:
> Don't forget free CULTURE.
>
> Too much focus on illusions of grander security, minimizing the
> minimal black swans, then we forget we want a clean mental environment
> furthermore to have as well as give meaningful challenges with
> outcomes expressing the spirits of the souls experiencing the
> prerequisite difficulty and more.
>
> We want diversity AND isolation to have a creative society.
> That requires redundancy, which requires excluding exclusive proprieties.
> Libre Propriety.
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Re: [Arm-netbook] Reframing The Holy War

[Jean Flamelle]

Don't forget free CULTURE.

Too much focus on illusions of grander security, minimizing the
minimal black swans, then we forget we want a clean mental environment
furthermore to have as well as give meaningful challenges with
outcomes expressing the spirits of the souls experiencing the
prerequisite difficulty and more.

We want diversity AND isolation to have a creative society.
That requires redundancy, which requires excluding exclusive proprieties.
Libre Propriety.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] Wikipedia policy change, list might care about

[Jean Flamelle]

Update: the admin apologized.

The proposal still hasn't been relisted.

Since tensions got so heated, I'll wait till tomorrow for that.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] Wikipedia policy change, list might care about

[Jean Flamelle]

Uh, not especially short, but I suppose short enough if I parse out
the bit related to an admin essentially lists all the policies that
would need adapted if anyone agreed with me and says that's too much
change this doesn't have a snowballs chance, I will block you from
editing wikipedia if you say any more about this after I close,
collapse, and archive your proposal so no one else sees this
monstrosity ever. Here it is:

Wikipedia guidelines call Wikipedia a tertiary source.

I dispute that claim.

Tertiary sources don't rely only on reliable sources.

Secondary sources rarely ever have any oversight. (besides economic)

Typically, tertiary sources like most encyclopedias have strict over-sight.

Wikipedia mostly cites tertiary sources, including meta-studies as
well as academic reviews.

Overall Wikipedia mostly only accepts tertiary sources, including news
which cites other news.

Secondary sources necessarily interpret information, generating
helpfully extreme bias.

NPOV means neutral-POV not mythical "no-POV", so neutral-POV can't
exist without POV.

The more extreme and diverse the biases tertiary sources absorb, the
more reliable the information.

Wikipedia should not discourage secondary sources from generating extreme bias.

Instead wikipedia should encourage extreme bias from secondary sources
and encourage tertiary sources to absorb that bias.

Then, wikipedians should combine and weigh tertiary sources against
each other to decide what information achieves a minimum standard.

Wikipedians should do this by checking primary and secondary sources
to ensure the tertiary perspective accounts for all said by them.

Wikipedia should change policy to allow unreliable sources only to
make up for gaps in the accounts made by tertiary sources.

Gaps should include:

explained contradictions, in behavior or moral positions;
unaccounted details (about events) supported substantially by
primary sources, or;
unaccounted novel justifications or novel moral positions
supported substantially by secondary source.

Eaterjolly (talk) 09:48, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Reply: Editors already WP:IAR, when including biased secondary
and primary sources. Often when an obviously notable view doesn't get
covered by any neutral sources, so wikipedians erroneously categorize
that as WP:SELFSOURCE. Since wikipedia gets hailed as the only
necessary tertiary source, tertiary sources often mascaraed as
secondary sources while getting called meta-news as well as wilfully
lacking oversight because they push the issue of scrutiny onto
textbook authors, academics, or wikipedia.

First, I propose that details from platformed primary
sources (having a significant audience) not accounted for by the
journalism of any secondary or tertiary sources, get officially
allowed on wikipedia which already happens by convention under
WP:SELFSOURCE
Second, I propose notably biased or extremely biased
secondary sources (i.e. the Daily Mail, Breitbart, BuzzFeed) for
POV'es unaccounted for by neutral sources. This also happens by
convention, yet much more contentiously. Often discussions go out into
trial by verbal combat whether the source's articles completely
irrelevant to the topic at hand give reliable information. Obviously
different sources give reliable information on different topics, and
sources which venture outside the narrow scope of their specialty
typically make mistakes while outside that scope. I wouldn't trust
Breitbart to report on gender, nor would I trust Buzzfeed to report on
history, though I might trust Brietbart to report on history and
Buzzfeed to report on gender.

Consequently I don't think this would change much except focus
discussions more, and open up the possibility to incorporate
multimedia sources in citations. I personally would like to find TED
talks cited on wikipedia. The proposal would result in an official
section in the guidelines which would state primary sources and
secondary source can compensate for gaps in reporting by rigorous
tertiary sources. Again, already the practice. Primary sources should
give information suitable for wikipedia when the source has a platform
(a significant audience), the particular details cited present minimal
POV, the details have not gotten accounted for by tertiary or
secondary sources, and the particular details cited have gotten
corroborated by other platformed primary sources. Biased secondary
sources should give information suitable for wikipedia when the source
has a platform (a significant audience), the opinions cited form a
remarkable POV (non-trivial and unique, in other words), the opinions
haven't gotten accounted for in the reporting by any rigorous tertiary
sources nor can get inferred false by evidence reported thereof, and
the opinions cited have gotten corroborated as believe-able by other
platformed secondary sources. This would also open up citing notable
youtube vloggers for opinions not expressed, 

Re: [Arm-netbook] Wikipedia policy change, list might care about

[Jean Flamelle]

Welp, I got censored:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)=861636670#Wikipedia,_a_quatertiary_source.

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[Arm-netbook] Wikipedia policy change, list might care about

[Jean Flamelle]

I wrote a proposal for a major policy change, which establishes
conditions for acceptable conditions to cite a primary or biased
secondary source.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Wikipedia,_a_quatertiary_source.

Once in the past, Luke had trouble with a wikipedia article on EOMA
that got user-ified, because rigorous news coverage for eoma lacked.

Luke definitely noted a little known hypocrisy on wikipedia, which
stems from the official policy lagging with the convention on
wikipedia on general exceptions to reliability.

Since Luke came off as a special interest, perhaps undue scrutiny came
about and the rulebook got thrown around a bit.

I didn't read to deeply into the conversations back then and I got
inspired to write this proposal from my experience learning wikipedia
by reading the rules first before editing, noticing many potential
caveats, and arguing around the rules too effectively and realizing I
would only need to push criticisms and loopholes for probably about a
month of pointless back-and-forth on already made points before
letting it sink in that otherwise unreliable sources give credible
information in this case, for transparent or inferrable reasons.


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Re: [Arm-netbook] Logos

[Jean Flamelle]

@Christopher, I would describe my issue with that interpretation as follows

One doesn't transfer meters between traders.
One can't transfer a measurement.

Also, a measurement doesn't require difficulty by nature.
We can always pull tape further, however, if one doesn't have enough
money to count to a large enough number, acquiring more money requires
non-trivial difficulty.

Also, as far as we know distance has no limit.
Any money counted, represents a fraction of all money in circulation
with a calculable maximum.

I return to my contention that money merely acts as a sybil certificate.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] Logos

[Jean Flamelle]

I don't like the word empowerment much, because I don't like the word
"power" as too vague and too loaded.

"Money" acts as a sybil certificate in a massive anonymous support
economy, a transfer-able proof-of-work.

I don't believe the opposite capitalism and communism take opposite
extremes, I believe communism and proprietary-ism do. The idea about a
community, means everyone could learn how to complete any task without
difficulty. That's the ideal.

If everyone knows how to complete every task and enough bodies lend
their support, money loses necessity.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] Logos

[Jean Flamelle]

Hm, I understand that in practice.

Just feels like a cop-out on paper.
Does anyone know about a mailing-list with ethereum programmers
who are as serious as Luke about getting stuff done the proper way?

Contract security seems like a joke these days.
And, for a VM with no hardware visibility,
EVM assembly seems unnecessarily complicated.

I feel like even for cryptocurrency detractors,
Taler could get implemented on ethereum.

Without a kickstarter or liberpay,
with customize-able rules,
like raising an advance fund,
for a free culture initiative.

Without advance funds,
I don't believe free culture
can effectively get funded.


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Re: [Arm-netbook] Thoughts on Why Blender should Fork

[Jean Flamelle]

Nodes are a helpful visualization tool
Access to underlying code and an interpreter still is very important.
Seems to rely on standardized languages and its own scripting language
seems to have many esoteric variable names.

I'm trying to express that more important is enabling others the
ability to express themselves in a way that can be saved as data and
later interpreted, rather than offering them tools which esoterically
enable fast development and output.

Dream/vision first, actualization later.
The art first needs recorded, then the art can get beautiful form.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] Thoughts on Why Blender should Fork

[Jean Flamelle]

In that case, I renew my criticism about the engine's development
direction, though albeit Blender seems somewhat embarrassed by the
decision with how they seem to mock it up as not giving up when that's
what it seems.

Dynamic media designing kits fail on the general abstraction level,
deciding when what information is useful. Godot succeeds considerably
by making specialized game logic scripting languages. These languages
are stereotyped as easy to make & easy to learn, so raising complexity
past a certain degree, triggers many anxieties about distraction from
the art of design for the one on the learning side of the coin.

Perhaps Urbit lies in that realm separating a script's complexity from
a program's complexity without incorporating any familiar elements
from projects trying to gradually close that gap rather attempting to
close that gap almost all at once. An artificial gap surely, that the
only barrier preventing closure amounts to bias.




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[Arm-netbook] Thoughts on Why Blender should Fork

[Jean Flamelle]

This post has trivially to do with arm-netbooks.

I'll say, risc architectures would be optimal for an ideal virtual
machine that minimizes hardware awareness in userland, which
has to do with Urbit, and;
has to do with what I perceive Blender could be.

Blender to me, long seemed designed for discovery learning.
I perceive that as, 'the [infamous] Blender way'.

Why none could properly document nor tutorial'ize Blender.
Always intended as a practical toy. Never to grow-out of...

Until v2.8 .

Violating potential for discovery learning, with a persistent toolbar
where previously only the toolbox-selecting-multitool and the
window-clone-or-close-multitool persisted, remaining the only tools
needing persistence.

Much like the Linux kernel aims for ideal hardware implementation,
Blender should aim for ideal graphics processing for any given
hardware. Named blender-modes shouldn't exist; only two blender-modes
should exist: "Render" (for static media) and "Engine" (for dynamic
media). Likewise, as the Linux kernel seeks to maximize its hardware
targets, so too should Blender in to perpetuity. Even for hardware
unpractical for rendering or compiling, Blender should integrate EVM
render and EVM compile, or alternatively SaaSS (but only mainline
SaaSS after EVM etcetera, On Principle).

Blender shouldn't integrate a programming environment designed for
aspiring programmers; Blender should integrate a "toy language" as a
programming environment that aims to enable critical fun and intuition
where even seemingly random language assortments generate interesting
affects that encourage further exploration.

Like every OS should have boot-to-browser as a function, so too every
OS should have boot-to-blender as a function. All the while, both
interfaces should encourage discovery learning.

v2.8 removes "game engine" mode, as-if to say "yeah, we're narrowing
our scope, so what?" while almost imagining "competing in the
here-and-now is more fun than grasping at a future we won't get to
witness ourselves".

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[Arm-netbook] Open-Source Streaming Service incentivizing Free Culture

[Jean Flamelle]

So there are some fairly serious talks where someone wants to do this
with my help.

https://riot.im/app/#/room/#Anime:matrix.org/$1535508591230126PGsxV:matrix.org

Discussions start with this link, where we moved to matrix from
youtube comments and I pretty heavy handedly explained why talking
about this in a private chartroom won't likely get anywhere.

Basically the idea is to implement Taler in an ethereum DAO and create
an liberapay like that, then tie that to a website integrating
whatever existing peer-to-peer networks seem practical (peer.tube and
IPFS seem like candidate).

People could pool funds, delegate votes, and the delegates could then
leverage those funds to commission free culture anime from actual
studios like Trigger (a studio already has a Patreon) and these
studios are desensitized to foreign piracy.

Of course doing so while giving these studios artistic license and
emphasizing that altruism now will support the model, support even
larger // even more obsessed fandoms (from copying, modifying, and
redistributing the art), and put your foreign audience in a position
to directly gouge them by threatening to sell the anime to a japanese
cable company and never sell the license to a foreign actor.

There are two conversations after that comment, the first is
immediately after, and the second has about 140 irrelevant messages
about anime in-between that and the first.
(tongue fully planted in cheek, with the word irrelevant :))

tl;dr I told them why it would take about 10 years to do alone, and
they still seemed to want to do it after having their heart broken.

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[Arm-netbook] Why Crytek certainly regrets releasing their source code..

[Jean Flamelle]

In the coming reality where only ventures to extend hardware's
usefulness support software development, programmers mostly fulfill
roles as "hired guns" like accountants in the days of yester-era so
then, seeking to join with Amazon and Microsoft and Google et cet in
tasting their SaaSS intoxicated open source future, probably for a
first in games history distributed macro-economically invested source
code under a mutual promise not to sue license and without NDA. This
means from the beginning, there was never any enforceable restriction
not to reveal the source code. They marketed their support as hired
guns, and sold their code to amazon to release as open source which
amazon then co-opt'ed into their SaaSS fetish and initiated a complete
rebranding effort unwittingly betraying Crytek. The games company
which originally tipped the spear of Crytek's marketing themselves as
hired guns, now also betrayed them by embracing amazon's rebranding
effort. Crytek dreamed a future where they could customize free as in
freedom software to suit whims specified by whatever company offered
enough fiat to purchase the respected "hired guns": Crytek. Feeling
the bitterness of betrayal they commence an inactionable lawsuit
against who supported them the most and where the betrayal stings the
most: their hope and their demise, their intimate friend Star Citizen.

...

Obviously, this is a mixture of known fact and tongue-and-cheek
inferences, which could be true. In case your not well 'versed' on
what's happening, all facts mixed in the muddle authoritative sources
should be trace-able through these links:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=star+citizen+leonard+french
https://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/star-citizen-re-built-in-amazons-lumberyard/

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Re: [Arm-netbook] HDMI Player Stick as DRM-free Merch Alternative

[Jean Flamelle]

On 7/27/18, Alexander Ross  wrote:
> one thing ive wondered about is a https for payment address. so you know
> the crypto currently address or fait payment info is verified for that
> person. like you know a https site is the site it says it is.

A blockchain dao could be setup for people to sign public keys that
they confirm. If a large number of people have confirmed one key
belongs to one particular person, then the key should be trustworthy,
unless something bad happens and people start revoking.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] HDMI Player Stick as DRM-free Merch Alternative

[Jean Flamelle]

It proves the device was loaded by the owner of that private key.
That individual can accept accountability for whatever materials exist
on that device, indemnifying whatever vendor sells or makes available
the device (i.e. a library).

If content on the device isn't properly attributed or is non-free used
without permission, then governments can investigate the owner of that
private key in reliable faith that that individual distributed that
content unless their private key was stolen.

I'm not supporting that copyright should exist even as an option to
those who would like to restrict the yields of their creative efforts,
however the economic reality we face includes a lack of social
infrastructure for libre artists to mass-distribute the yields of
their efforts as well as for individuals to calculate their fiscal
honor-obligation to these artists. When talking about these kinds of
large scales over-paying artists remains a real possibility with
negative consequences all around (including to the artist [consider
how winning the lottery affects many in poverty] ). I don't think I'd
be the first to suppose that Star Citizen was "too" successful in
their fundraising, and feeling an obligation to develop the game
quickly hiring too much help, too quickly diluting their original
vision.
Rigorous attribution enables libre support models: without it, one can
only blindly support and hope artistic yields come about. Besides
that, transitions to libre support must ensue gradually and old models
can't immediately drop out of existence. While artists transition
someone needs to accommodate both toxic copyright models as well as
healthy libre models. One does not simply get a smoker to stop
smoking by depriving them of smokes.

This necessary infrastructure should add up to retailers getting used
to the idea of facilitating donations.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] HDMI Player Stick as DRM-free Merch Alternative

[Jean Flamelle]

But is it not also an issue of them finding us?

We talk for granted that we are all part information researchers.
We are justly capable of elaborate standalone complex organized
searches through the internet for talent and meaningful message.

This not even a tenth of the population involves themselves with, as
when was the last anyone saw a piece of media content with more than a
million likes and compare that with when anyone has seen a piece of
media content with more than 10 million views.

The reality remains very few people have the ability, much less the
willingness to seek out artists that they could feel deserve their
support.

As much as marketing should NOT stay a service offered in exchange for
fiat (money), the technology for gratis media curation on a large
scale does not exist. Sybil (reputation) systems still depend too much
on healthy majorities and can't guess the thoughtfulness (or
impulsiveness) of a rating given by a user. (Newgrounds.com attempts
this by measure quantity rather than quality of experience as a
reviewer)

Unless artists have the ability to really shove their donate buttons
in the faces of regular people, libre models won't scale properly.

This remains why patreon advanced our ideological position without
doing any more than what paypal was already doing for cheaper. Having
a cryptographic key signature, sounds like fancy technology, but all
it replaces is a serial number and an on-screen paypal link. The point
remains not what technology is used, but how we organize reminders and
notices in our economy. Not everyone is a researcher, some people do
in fact depend on notices from abstract entity like "the government".

If all someone has to do to donate to an artist, is scan an extra QR
code at checkout or ask to have their cash converted to cryptocurrency
as a part of the store facilitating their donation, and all the store
has to do is complete that conversion, plug in the play stick into a
device that expects the first frame of the video to be a QR code
signature, and transfer the cryptocurrency to that artists wallet,
then this makes it so someone doesn't even need a computer to donate
to the arts (which they would need to use liberapay or patreon, at
least until liberapay implements their api).

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Re: [Arm-netbook] HDMI Player Stick as DRM-free Merch Alternative

[Jean Flamelle]

Stefan:
> All you have in your device is a bit-stream which the end-user can't trust

Not really, since (hopefully) they buy the device through trusted
channels (i.e. a local store with cash).

The cryptographic key, (hopefully) proves that the device was flashed
by the makers of whatever video is loaded on the device, and maybe is
linked to a bitcoin address or something to donate.

The assumption here remains, all content on the device is "free culture".

rhkramer:
> Where is the nand (on which the video is stored) -- is it on this stick, or is
> this sort of a multi-use stick that can check the video on other media for
> "compliance" with DRM?

Not a compliance thing; yes---unfortunately---this incentivizes excess/waste.
As Richard said:
> It seems to me that a lot more variety of materials will be required to make
> one of these sticks than an optical disc which is mostly one type of plastic.
> That would seem to make the stick more difficult to recycle than the disc.

However:
> If the stick can't be loaded with new content, then its use cycle will be 
> closer
> to a non-rewritable optical disc.

Optimally, the device could be re-flashed.. only the cryptographic key
would need to be "write-only", preferably with erasure triggered by
any change to the video storage.

Stefan:
> You don't seem to live in the same world as mine: in my world, the MPAA
> and other control-obsessed profiteers spend millions of dollars
> reminding people of that as an excuse for their DRM abuses.

Yes, but we want to do away with that, correct?
So we need to replace that with a more ethical procedure, one which
allows cultural content to be "free as in freedom" while
simultaneously ensuring such cultural content actually exist in a
quality and quantity which allows earthlings to say they actually have
a set of cultures. Moreover creativity and ideas spread, so inventive
non-destructive conflict perpetuates with the culture and we don't
descend into an amoral anarchy with theft and violence just because
struggle to find meaning without theft and violence.

Free culture without the moral imperative of "get as much culture as
we can possibly get" would be a pretty shallow ethic, from my pov.

Richard:
> How do we "encourage copying, modifying, as well as redistributing the 
> content"
> from an 'Unpause-able Player Stick' that has "air-gap" security?

The security bit is for the private key and hardware integrity.
The 'unpause-able' bit adds to that, however more critically makes the
nature of device immediately recognize-able and encourages use for
social events.

Richard:
> What is the utility of making it 'Unpause-able'?
> That was always one of the advantages I saw to having user control:
> you can adapt the viewing experience to the realities of your life.

If someone can simply copy the stream onto whatever other device, then
the restriction is basically self-imposed.

Playing upon power-on, without pause, and allowing no scrolling
through the stream, would make this "play stick" a cold arbiter for
social gatherings, so participants can focus on the event or whatever
the video shows them rather than viewing it all with as minimal
overlap as possible or knowledge gaps.

The assumption remains that, if someone is leaving the area, any
argument had over pausing or rewatching what they had missed should be
instantly moot, unless they feel they can push the point to rewatch
from the beginning.

If the video is paused, then someone is waiting for someone else.
Not fun. Low-brow party etiquette.
Having differing knowledge gaps between participants of the gathering,
incentivizes using conversation rather than technology to fill in
those gaps.

> if power is truly our only input we'll have a hard time sending out a signal
> which is compatible with a wide range of displays

This bit is depressing.
Bitstreams should be rendered as vector graphics, and monitors should
have built-in chips to do whatever conversions are necessary to get
the pixels to light.

> Sort of a digital credits meta-data list.

I see where you are going with this.
Someone could separate the audio, between x and x frames too and apply
credits to that portion of the over all file. Still images, as you
mentioned, could be the same way.

Clever, I vote converting all video bitstreams to animated vector
graphics takes 100% priority!

+1 internet

Hezzah!

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Re: [Arm-netbook] HDMI Player Stick as DRM-free Merch Alternative

[Jean Flamelle]

On 7/22/18, Stephen Paul Weber  wrote:
> Blu-rays and DVDs are essentially dead tech

This depends highly on the region.

Most fictional media still grossly depends on the sale of DVDs and
Blu-rays, where-ever marketing for such merch turns out effective.
(i.e. Japan, major cities with relevant clubs, etc)

Consider how much film still doesn't exist on streaming services, and
only get royalties from broadcasts and DVD sales. Many truckers for
example most of whom stay many nights alone in motels between
drop-sights, feel perfectly obliged to surrender an hour's wage to a
convenience story in exchange for a promising unacclaimed feature film
to fall asleep to once or twice a week.

https://www.the-numbers.com/weekly-dvd-sales-chart

The monetary contribution per fan, can swing an absurdly wild standard
deviation.
The very concept of merchandise means subsidizing an art with the sale
of trinkets which creatively remind of that art. The cycle can be
self-perpetuating when other's who are reminded then go and feel they
need more reminders. This gets to be were collectable clocks, dolls,
posters, mugs, postcards, shirts, blankets, backpacks, etc, gets
wildly overdone.

At the end of the day, this is just a throwback and re-imagining of
the old DVD/VHS shelf. A physical location a person would go to see
their options of what to watch side-by-side, to pick them out, to look
at the cover and decide if the mood fits the situation.

Instead of a shelf, these sticks could go in a pot in on a coffee
table, in front of a couch, next to a bed, or, if someone was feeling
particularly disruptive and monetarily carefree, next to the front
door to give away or tossed to an audience at a convention, or perhaps
over or under the main counter at a library.

I just want to take a moment to appreciate how wasteful the
consumerism I just described is, from packaging to raw minerals to
predictable global drama maintaining game theory which enables
sourcing of these materials from "pre-warp civilizations".
I'm not condoning this type of economic behavior, however merely
commenting this is how global culture is and, if we want to minimize
that, we have to start "similar but different" and move gradually
where we would like to be from there.

The tricky part is that every attempt "similar but different" before
has been historically co-opted and lost its original sense of
direction. (which few people appreciate the risk of losing themselves
to the sheer complexity of the world, even when conclusions derived
from naivety ironically turn out more accurate to reality than
conclusions derived after having encountered many more parts of the
world already [ this can be since the more naive one more easily takes
the role of an isolated observer, than one who has talked personally
or had personal dealing with many different cultures. Much like the
blind leading the blind. ])

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Re: [Arm-netbook] HDMI Player Stick as DRM-free Merch Alternative

[Jean Flamelle]

The advantage is social, stating "I've supported this art,
this stick generates the QR code that proves that"

"Merch Alternative" I mean like instead of DRM Blu-rays or DVDs etc.

The device being airgapped so that the only input is power, should
socially suggest that one can't be tampered with or forged (i.e. by
extracting a signing key).

This solves the problem that many aren't reminded of the importance of
supporting artists that create the art that they use. It adds an
element to the conversation that helps individuals find an excuse to
remind each other to pay monetary tribute to source artists (including
film makers, animators, audio book authors, etc).

As a dual function, the signing key could serve as a cryptocurrency wallet.
So simultaneously while checking the authenticity of one friend's
contribution, the friend that's doing the checking can also make a
contribution so as not to appear hypocritical.

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[Arm-netbook] HDMI Player Stick as DRM-free Merch Alternative

[Jean Flamelle]

So the thought is pretty simple.

A monofunction PCB that when power is supplied from the HDMI,
generates a private key signature, displays it as a QR code for a few
moments, then plays whatever video is stored on nand.

The QR code confirms the legitimacy or official-ness of the copy.

Encourage copying, modifying, as well as redistributing the content.
However build a culture of the 'Unpause-able Player Stick':

Friends should still feel obligated to support the art through peer
pressure to use one of these sticks that can prove its legitimacy,
during ritualistic communal watchings.

Airgapped for security and durability (viruses can still damage
hardware after all)

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Re: [Arm-netbook] Fwd: Liberapay is in trouble

[Jean Flamelle]

I disagree with the decision to disable the wallet.

While that limits the type of payment processors, that is exactly the
type of escrow function that should become popular with the advent of
cryptocurrency.

Ultimately forcing every earthly individual to act as financier and
budgetor, isn't a neurologically efficient way of doing things.
In other words it wastes people's brain space.

In the future, average employees should find much more economic
stability if they are paid on a daily basis, rather than a weekly,
monthly, or even semi-annual basis'es.

Wallets may be more trouble from an operational software standpoint,
however morally quite worth it from an individual's stability
standpoint.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] riscv-basics.com

[Jean Flamelle]

Misplaced might be an over-exaggeration.

This issue seems virtually identical to the issues with SystemD.
The establishment wants to do their own thing, after getting bored of
their own principles, eventually someone needs to build a stable fork
and all will return to normal eventually, so long as there are
individuals that still care and still act like they care.

Part of getting bored of one's own principles is getting burnt out.
That happened with pulseaudio and that happened with fastbooting SystemD.

Really this feels normal and ''probably'' healthy.
Even whole organizations can burn out.
I guess this is how to cope.

Perhaps, Luke, this aggression you/many perceive from these
individuals is less arrogance and more a reaction to overwhelming
pressure, don't ya think now that I say? : D

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Re: [Arm-netbook] ikiwiki again

[Jean Flamelle]

Some volunteers looking at the lastest version [i.e. through the
page's source] and test reading what's drafted so far to make sure
none of this is too cryptic or vague. Critically thought-out feedback
is also highly-appreciated to test comprehension accuracy.

---

If anyone disagrees with the fundamental perception of reality,
feedback pertaining to that is very much welcome however not a
priority unless you have quantifiable evidence of a severe error, such
as a demonstrate-ably notable text with an authoritative audience or
intuition based on shared or communicable observation.
[i.e. videography, scenes in notable fiction with either authoritative
authorship or audience, bulletins or bulletinized documentation with
either attribute, characteristics of any major language which suggest
possible thoughts per the Sapir-Worf hypothesis*, etc]

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Languages_of_Pao#Plot_summary
* Thoughts aren't made strictly possible by linguistic relativity,
however uncommunicable thoughts are likely to get cannibalized and
forgotten, by and because of [respectively] communicable ones. Don't
get my meaning confused.

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[Arm-netbook] ikiwiki again

[Jean Flamelle]

Changes are saving, without the page updating| again.
"An error occurred while writing CGI reply"

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Re: [Arm-netbook] OT: China 12 LED RGBW Par Firmware?

[Jean Flamelle]

A month and no response, looks like you'll need to break out a logic analyzer xP

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[Arm-netbook] Computer without Entropy

[Jean Flamelle]

Is it possible to take RISC design to an extreme and design a core
without any practical vectors for entropy based on timekeeping?

Something like lambda calculus on a chip, except differentiating
multiple output devices not just a theoretical "tape". Of course
damage will always create some entropy, but not the kind which can be
harnessed in anyway relevant to the current imagination.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] Urgent statement on Cryptocurrency ethics

[Jean Flamelle]

That link goes back to the fundamental concept of illegal numbers.

Anywhere a number can be written, illegal data may be written.
Anywhere a number can be written immutably, illegal data may be
written immutably.

This also gets at a fundamental issue of ethics of censorship, as
censorship was viewed a few centuries ago: pieces of communication
which enable wasted life being disabled & contained.

Do these images do that?
Can abuse be stopped without censoring images of abuse?

===

Phil raises an interesting suggestion that what-if blockchain miners
weren't neutral?

Miners aren't neutral, after all. They just enforce minimal rules.

Could technological means be given to enforce cultural rules including
with regards to reputation and past economic contributions?
What would happen, if so?

===

@Lasic -
There are many large corporations developing blockchain research
programs, including banks, microsoft, ibm, institutes funded by
grants, etc.

This is not a viable complete protocol, but regulators are much more
likely begin regulating claims. There is a saying that the code should
speak for itself. I think this applies.

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[Arm-netbook] Urgent statement on Cryptocurrency ethics

[Jean Flamelle]

This is difficult to express so please bear patience. Able
manipulators of money do exploit the interest in cryptocurrency to
affect the prices thereof, purchase and sell cryptocurrency increasing
their stockpile of national and international currencies while
sustaining their supply of cryptocurrency. The practice of buying low
and selling high, is generally accepted, but I refute it. Not only
does no way of proving if they manipulated the price practical, but
buying low and selling high can only be possible if someone somewhere
tries to change the price of whatever their trade includes. This means
the price of bitcoin should be decided by netizens across internet
forums and some powerful actor is ensuring that can't happen.
As a store of economic influence, I fully agree and support
the decision to hold donated bitcoin. However to convert it by means
of trade into any other currency, while what is happening is
happening, I can't stomach this morally. Individuals who are getting
tricked into purchasing cryptocurrency at exactly the wrong moments
are losing all the have. This is not simply gambling with high-stakes,
there is a concerted effort to deceive people into purchasing bitcoin
and other currencies. If anyone sells cryptocurrency now, they very
likely risk funding these scams.
Please do not sell donated bitcoin or any other donated
cryptocurrency for the foresee-able future.
This is not a permanent problem, but one we can't know when
will be resolved.

Thank you.
-J. L.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] http://libre-riscv.org new domain

[Jean Flamelle]

That's a really exciting step!

On 2/25/18, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton  wrote:
> i've just set up a new domain in the past 36 hours, http://libre-riscv.org
>
> the first processor on it is the shakti m_class one.  there's also a
> bugtracker http://bugs.libre-riscv.org which is in the process of
> being populated.  i'll also set up mailman (if i can extract it from
> the clutches of apache2... i'm using nginx now on libre-riscv.org).
>
> l.
>
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Re: [Arm-netbook] Patent-Left

[Jean Flamelle]

On 2/25/18, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton  wrote:
>  ... *thinks* ok so let's think this through.
>
>  what do proprietary companies owning Certification Marks do o
> arse, you're right: they charge staggeringly-large amounts of money
> and place huge burdens on people.  FCC 2G/3G/LTE Certification (per
> firmware revision, per product, per *version* of product, per
> *company* e.g. AT $50k *EACH*...), BLE Certification (USD $10,000
> per software release *per factory*), and so on.

I heard that's what keeps fairphone out of the US.

>  that's gonna get really old, really quickly.

Already has for me tbh xD

-

>  i know that the FSF, whom people are in effect "Authorised to
> Represent" when they received the RYF Endorsement Certification Mark,

That gets to an interesting idea of patent-left: what-if anyone
receiving certification to use a hypothetical "left"-patent, was as a
condition of the license allowed to certify anyone else irrevocably
unless their use or use of anyone directly certified or endorsed by
them, causes proven harm with their use to anyone emotionally,
physically, or socially---aside from game-theory-arbitrary conflict
that just happens to involve an instance of the patent's use through
no fault of the implementation. Sounds like MLM.

We could actually add that if the patent is used without license it's
only violated if said harm is done, except burden of proof them shifts
to the person using the patent to demonstrate no harm was done
(including to the licensor-network which may have been convinced waste
excessively taxing effort to ensure the implementation didn't cause
harm which could have been dedicated elsewhere protecting public trust
from damage that was indeed caused prove-ably because the community
was too focused on a false alarm which could have reasonably been
avoided).

I hope that idea is less dense than the economic one earlier.

"~
> simply trust people to "get it right".  they *don't* ask that people
> "re-certify", they said to me, basically, "you represent us and our
> good name, don't screw up by doing things like add proprietary
> firmware on it, or modify the description so people get confused and
> buy the wrong thing".
~"

I like this

>  they *didn't* say "You Must Re-Certify If You Make Even One Tiny Change".

*thumbs up*

>  so i believe there's room for both types of approaches... the
> question is: which approach could risk causing harm?  btw, just to be
> clear: anyone who *guarantees* full libre compliance (releases
> everything under libre licenses - casework, CAD, source, everything)
> zero charges *and* assistance in any way possible.

I think there is too, though I hope to make the ever more communal
option safer and easier to protect legally with this brainstorm.
That's still a longterm goal. We can always run the risk of being too
strict and loosen the way we do things later, so long as you, RMS, and
the entirety of the FSF stick to their guns (morals).

(which should that even be a question at this point?)
It's like asking if someone with endorsement from peta will ever start
killing animals for sport.
(maybe because somewhere down the line they started to blindly assume
humane population control strategies will never succeed)

Sure its happened before, but the question asks the probability of a
scenario so rare requiring so much conspiracy that it borders upon
irritating even the most pragmatic actor.

Thank you to Luke and everyone contributing to make this all happen btw.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] Patent-Left

[Jean Flamelle]

On 2/24/18, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton  wrote:
>  it does, and it has.  the cases that i've heard about have involved
> Trademarks rather than Certification Marks: the same branch of law
> applies.  it's very simple: if someone creates a "clone" and the
> *clone* kills someone or starts destroying and/or damaging electronic
> devices, someone has to take action.
>

That makes sense.
Recognizing standards organisations as a victim (of eroding public
trust), that motivates the organization to perform more of a watch-dog
service by initiating class-action lawsuits on behalf of themselves
and the public-at-large.

>
>  https://noram.pecb.com/en/about-noram
>
>  damn.  going to have to set something up that's pretty much exactly
> like every single one of the *9* pages listed on the right-hand side.
>
>  dang.
>

I'll help with editing if welcome.
Bear in mind, the most vital future audience of said documents will
likely be the people you end up training down  the road. The ethics of
the community may be obvious to the most vocal of us on the list, but
having impactful reminders set in stone will sustain the focus of
those who are less vocal and forget to set reminders for themselves of
their own principles.
(such people are rather common, but, for the more passionate among us,
they maybe difficult to understand or empathize with. Such documents
fuel cooperation when well written, but, also bear in mind, PECB's
audience likely reads much more densely than ours will.)

>  question: how do you propose that people not get murdered by the
> incompetence of an individual who blatantly disregards a hardware
> standard's safety warnings?  (we are extremely lucky that nobody has
> murdered anyone through the deployment of "bad-usb").

Yup, I'm thinking longterm and asking myself "out-loud" exactly that.
Setting aside these really hack-y patent-left ideas, I can only
imagine expressing deeper morals in design of global information
networks is a prerequisite to any clean fix here and that will take a
very long while even upon interest in such initiative hopefully
growing soon.
Another prerequisite is probably the simplification of PCB-design and
more interest in auditing, but that's not even a topic that's
noticeably talked about, except in the fringes of the open source
community and often only with regards to RISC.

There are people who may have access to a large community without
access to the internet (say an oppressive regime or in the
wilderness), who might get a hold of a card with offline documentation
and CAD-designs. Their adaptations and designs shouldn't be de facto
dangerous if found and uploaded to the internet.

I would hope this can be remedied before we colonize Mars.

I never doubted you about the dangers.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] Patent-Left

[Jean Flamelle]

On 2/21/18, rhkra...@gmail.com  wrote:
> Just two questions (without carefully reading all that you wrote):
>
>* what country do you live in?
>
>* if not the US, does the country you live in have a body of trademark
> law?
>
> I suppose you really only need to answer the 2nd for now.
>

Yes

@Adam, I may be wrong but I believe that would require a massive "all
markets" release. Even if the standard is copyrighted that I doubt
using that as a protection against a copy-cat of a "similar" standard
has been tested in very many courts (I have no expertise to really
advise).
If there aren't enough EOMA cards in a market for people to become
familiar with the certification, before they start trying to copy it
without the certification or with their own made up certifications.

I hope no one does that, but I think it'd be foolish to assume no one will.

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[Arm-netbook] Patent-Left

[Jean Flamelle]

Disclaimer: this is a brainstorm of ideas on what is practical. I am a
free culture advocate. I understand that without invention my own
ideals have practical limitations. I don't believe that invention is
impractical, however accomplishment without first inventing is.

If any of what is said causes you to question OUR ideals, please
meditate on and rationalize what was said: I HOPE YOU DON'T CHANGE
WHAT YOU BELIEVE.

Please avoid getting triggered, please don't start a flame, and please
understand not every issue needs resolution immediately.

Most ideas in this thread will need to be outrageous to be helpful. If
everyone disregarded those ideas simply for being outrageous, they
will never develop into less outrageous ideas.
/end-disclaimer

I was thinking about some of what Luke has said about certification
law, and the only way I can rationalize it is to doubt this has been
tested in court absent of patents-held.

None of these standards organizations have problems owning patents,
only free culture advocates do. Maybe some slight cognitive dissonance
is involved (sorry to say so bluntly Luke), but, if these types of
precedents are to be held up absent patents-held, that would mean an
expansion of standard copyright I don't think many courts would be
comfortable with.

At the end of the day, if people can just copy the standard
disregarding anyone present as a certification entity, there is no
economic support to be had for anyone involved. It wouldn't agree with
my morals if someone had to ask Luke's permission to make an EOMA
card, but I know otherwise isn't practical yet. Enter Patent-Left. The
hack-solution is to make the standard itself an "open patent license"
that if anyone can follow, then they are assumed to possess the
license with burden of proof falling on anyone wishing to prove they
aren't following it.

This is a hack, because, much like invariant sections in the GDFL, an
author can arbitrarily refuse changes to any certain part(s) they
choose. How do we capture the moral behind why patents exist, while
still honoring free culture? *stop, meditate, write what you think,
then keep reading*

vvv *skip this if you careless about learning economics* vvv
Perhaps, we can make rules about "contractual equity" so, if someone
wants to sell what they make, they pick a currency "declare 'owning'
an instance of the license" which only becomes valid after selling
"equity" towards a right-to-cancel-the-license to a minimum number of
I.D.-ed citizens of a country minting that currency at a minimum price
(in technical terms, a minimum market cap per a minimum capita). Oh
hell that's messy. Hard to believe that's less messy than the first
hack. Let me list the problems with my own proposal.
Economically: What/Who determines a fair market cap and a fair minimum
capita for a given patentleft license? How do we establish sybil
protection across cryptocurrency markets (what "should be" a "citizen"
to them?)?
Politically: How can a market cap fairly account for currency
conversions? How can a person from a country minting a currency with a
smaller market exert the same influence over a project as there larger
market counterparts? How do people from countries without a national
currency even participate, much less equally? How do we prevent
citizens from countries with multi-currency systems from getting
unfairly punishing or rewarding treatment (if only one currency is
recognized, that's punishing, but, if all are recognized, that's
rewarding, since there are drawbacks to multi-currency systems
[including tangibly devaluing* all currencies involved compared to
adopting any one as a single-currency] and those who can choose
between currencies exert an influence over what currencies a project
uses that others can't)? Is there any way legally possible anywhere to
prevent people with multiple citizenships from being able to be
counted as that many multiple people?
Morally: We would be treating any one individual as not "good enough"
to copy/modify a patent unless they have "this" many supporters who
are at least "this" economically involved, which is unfair by my
morals and, if avoidable, would likely render every other question
easily answerable. While associating people with their nation's
currencies prevents manipulating the value of currencies they have no
stake in, using official documentation associates people with a nation
that has chosen them rather than a nation they have chosen, which is
unfair by my morals and, if avoidable, would likely render every
political question here easily answerable (except that, if someone
solves this "hard problem" only in the context of currencies rather
than in general, they inherently give money as a concept extra
utility, which bothers my personal ethic). If equity is transferable,
that would allow individuals who haven't contributed to a project in
no way to acquire leverage to make decisions about that project's
direction, but, if equity isn't transferable, interest in 

Re: [Arm-netbook] Error trying to edit rhombus-tech wiki

[Jean Flamelle]

The edits still succeed; the page just takes long to update.

If you want to confirm your edits, just try editing the page again and
you should see your changes in the source.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] pyra computer

[Jean Flamelle]

On 2/16/18, Christopher Havel  wrote:
> Well, that didn't work out. Luke, can I please ask you to hold out till
> Sunday? I have company tomorrow helping with that room and I'll be busy all
> day with that.
>
> I'm truly sorry to have to ask...

There's no rush.. Nothing said that a logo has to be decided immediately.

Luke and Ron are at conflict, because of fundamental ideals regarding
serendipitous organization. Ron is skeptical of what good authority
and one individual leading a troupe will bring the world. Luke is
impassioned to bring about destined change as quickly and forcefully
as possible. Ron is by no means an artist capable of inspiring
serendipitous organization (no offense but the title is difficult to
live up to), making the fellow very much a cynic.

Settling this one argument by desperately trying to live up to that
title, isn't going to end their standing conflict. Only bringing a
real artist who can rally real attention can undo that. I agree with
you about the two-tier logo, but it would take something really
inventive to communicate effectively the idea of a risky amateur
project across language barriers. I said once and I'll say again,
someone should invite Wenqing Yan to participate in the project.

https://www.yuumeiart.com/contact/
http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/pipermail/arm-netbook/2017-January/012740.html

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Re: [Arm-netbook] pyra computer

[Jean Flamelle]

>  nobody gets confused, world-wide, about the Certification Mark "BLE"
> or the Certification Mark "HDMI".
>
>  argh can't read the rest too busy, so sorry.  REALLY limited time right
> now.

Don't worry, I think I understand your point of view and I'm trying to
put it in terms everyone else can follow. At least, I hope that's what
I'm doing.

Those are pretty good examples of what I'm talking about.

If someone implements bad HDMI, then I assume they'll get sued if they
even mention the word HDMI. Likewise if a hobbyist documents hacking
an HDMI port to connect to a chip inside an adapter that converts it
composite video, they'll run into either geo-restrictions or legal
trouble, if that adapter fries the HDMI port.

In the US people can say whatever they want, but, elsewhere in the
world, they'll say 18-pin audio-video port to save their butts. And,
again, for good reason because of scam artists exploiting language
barriers.

BLE they will say custom wifi.

---

Luke has mentioned that if Intel makes a card the even looks slightly
confuse-able for an EOMA68, without being certified then that would be
infringement of the certification.

I presume HDMI has probably tested this in various courts, because, if
a someone implements bad HDMI, they can't just get away with it by
calling it something else. So that's another way how certification
law, could be stricter than copyright or trademark law. But, I find it
hard to believe patents owned by HDMI wouldn't be involved in securing
a case like that.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] pyra computer

[Jean Flamelle]

Correction, it is fair use to criticize or make commentary.

Otherwise the word EOMA68 is essentially a copyrighted word.

It's kinda funny and scary to think such things exist.

However they kind of have to, because the confusion does endanger people.

I'll admit the possibility of a battery fire killing someone here is
low, because, if it was likely, then no website would host the
documentation.

The issue is that someone could get hurt as the result of a language barrier.
That is something that creates issues of legal liability in addition
to the moral what-the-fuck.

Also, who is likely to trust a certification if a sleezy seller can
get away with a stunt like that?

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Re: [Arm-netbook] pyra computer

[Jean Flamelle]

I think it's important to remember Ron also said this :)

> Lkcl is not my enemy. He does not snide. You do not
> doubt lkcl goes a long way to achieve his goal. You
> know he will not skip his principles. On
> communicating however.

Most everything else seemed like venting misunderstanding.
Well articulated, though!

This falls pretty religiously under trademark law.
However, in this case; the case of a certification mark, that
trademark law is more strict than copyright because there is no fair
use and hobby projects will count as commercial use of the term in
most jurisdictions.

Not using the word EOMA68 and covering up the mark on any pictures, is
pretty important if we don't want to give geo-restrictions a reason to
exist. And, I'm sure Luke doesn't.

---

Can we all just be civil though?
I feel like I've explained this all well enough, is there really
anyone who can still disagree this is the correct course of action?

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Re: [Arm-netbook] pyra computer

[Jean Flamelle]

> Let there be two "levels" of EOMA68. "EOMA68" by itself can be construed
> from now on to mean "compatible with the standard in some reasonable way".
> Then, /with a separate and distinct but visually similar/ logo - "EOMA68
> Certified", which is exactly that.

That doesn't get around the internationalization problem.

If someone doesn't speak english and they are reading an english
label, not seeing the word certified anywhere but in fact seeing the
word EOMA68, then they might falsely assume the device is certified.

> [void all warrantees]
> if an EOMA68-Certified device is connected to an EOMA68 non-certified
> device. That's rude as heck, IMNSHO, but it does the job.

Luke, wouldn't and again "can't" do that.
Luke is the guardian of a standard and a consultant for ThinkPenguin,
helping them develop their card and documenting everything possible.

I mean Luke could advise ThinkPenguin to do that, but it's kinda
ridiculous and doesn't fix the internationalization problem. When we
talk about someone following these instructions, we're talking about a
sleezy electronics repair shop owner in China. When we talk about
someone dieing, we are talking about that shop owner's customer who
bought a pyra computer after getting shown an instructables page in
english (which they can't read), and being pointed to the word EOMA68.

This is a very realistic and also very real scenario that happens
everyday all over the world.

This is why China Geo-blocks the rest of the world.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] pyra computer

[Jean Flamelle]

It is also important to note that for all intensive an diy project
could receive a certification.

Also if you read the first line of that wikipedia article:

"Reasonable and non-discriminatory (RAND) terms, also known as fair,
reasonable, and non-discriminatory (FRAND) terms, denote a voluntary
licensing commitment that standards organizations often request from
the owner of an intellectual property right (usually a patent) that
is, or may become, essential to practice a technical standard."

Reading between the lines, the point of the "intellectual property" is
that it is the leverage has over companies. Without patents EOMA is
only a word and EOMA has no legal authority to stop imitators from
just using a slightly different word. With a patent however, a
standards organization can legally issue a cease-and-desist order.

So this brings up the tough question of how can the EOMA standard
exert any authority without patents?

Also what will motivate companies to hire Luke as a consultant? That's
important too, am I wrong?

Community support through donations wins Luke a certain degree of
independence, so Luke won't have to charge many people consultation
fees and can give advice more-solely based on merit. Here's an
interesting question though: what motivates people to donate and will
that scale as more companies gain interest causing Luke to inevitably
need to train people to act as consultants on behalf of the EOMA
project? My hope is, yes.

One way to have leverage is for EOMA to become so popular, companies
without the mark are actively avoided by a significant fraction of the
population in given places. This is not to be underestimated, because
food certifications have demonstrated a lot of success with this
strategy.

However we should also consider:
The patent system isn't necessarily broken, if we consider the rampant
abuse to be the result of scammers. We could see copyleft "public
commons" patents which are licensed openly to the public so long as
certain rules pertaining to certain morals are followed. Like with GPL
violations, any member of the public should be able to make a lawsuit
against a violator of these rules.

With that possibility in mind, abuse could get worse with copyleft
principles, because rules could be stupid or misguided. FRAND already
comes into play with that, so there is already an appeals mechanism in
place against abusive copyleft or open patent licenses (if I
understand correctly). Perhaps patent courts could expand to judge as
fair or unfair the rules of an open patent license. Then such
standards organizations could form around protecting people and
certain morals, by prosecuting violators of these open patents.
Ultimately this could easily turn into an extortion racket with people
living off of legal and consultation fees. Such an organization should
live solely on donations and only conduct legal cases pro-bono.

This is were things get weird.

Aren't you asking, "wait if you just implied we should consider living
off of consultation and legal fees immoral extortion, why are you
defending patents as a form of leverage used by companies who would be
able to do that extortion.. you look like you're contradicting
yourself up and down"?

Well, the fact remains the public benefits if the public shares the
morals being protected. Legal cases write lots of documentation which
the public might like to read, if well written. The more injustice an
organization fights this way then the more journalism they have
necessarily done and the more journalistic documents they can easily
publish.
This engineers a service that gratifies donors and will immediately
stop if the donations also stop, motivating people not to be selfish.

EOMA standards organizations can also thoroughly document (through
transcripts, or audio or video journalism) what they were consulted
about and the advice given, so that it becomes easily apparent if they
were warning a company that they were consulting for about potential
violations or if they instead ever used consultation fees as a mode of
extortion.

This mailing list shows EOMA off to a great start in terms open-ness
and thorough journalistic documentation of everything going on. I
fully support Luke and this project, and this is why I again draw
connections between this project and the baby giant company Cloud
Imperium Games, for their record-breakingly thorough self-journalism.

I know they aren't FLOSS, but we need to be like them.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] pyra computer

[Jean Flamelle]

On 2/13/18, Julie Marchant  wrote:
> On 2018年02月13日 15:38, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
>> he's calling into question my authority and the right as a Copyright
>> Holder of the word - and standard - "EOMA68", chris.  that's very very
>> serious.  and also publicly recorded.  you can double-check that by
>> re-reading the messages.
>>
>>  i am REQUIRED to respond to that - by explicitly asserting that i AM
>> the sole exclusive Copyright Holder of EOMA68 and that i AM the sole
>> exclusive authority over the EOMA68 Standard, and that i cannot
>> tolerate people claiming that they are blithely and arbitrarily
>> permitted to ignore my authority under Copyright Law.
>
> Luke, I hope you don't find this to be pedantic, but if you do, I would
> point out that RMS is very vocal about this point.
>
> Copyright and trademark law are *not* the same thing. You can't hold a
> copyright on a name, only a trademark. This is an important distinction
> because the way copyright and trademark laws operate is not the same.
>
> As far as being "required to respond", I assume you are referring to the
> possibility of genericide of a trademark, when you lose a trademark
> because you fail to inform the public how it is properly used, causing
> it to be used to mean something more generic, e.g. if people started
> calling SEGA video games "Nintendos". This has nothing to do with
> "liability". It just has to do with whether or not a particular name can
> still be trademarked.
>
> Either that, or perhaps you are referring to some other law which is
> neither copyright nor trademark, and spreading confusion by using two
> wrong terms.
>
> Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer and none of this is legal advice.
>

So this is a pretty solid reference:
https://www.bitlaw.com/source/tmep/1306.html

Basically the mark itself is currently ambiguous, so the only known
attributes are the text EOMA68. Until an actual mark is finalized,
EOMA68, in generic font, is the mark.

This isn't a matter of "genericide" but rather certified versus uncertified.
How is the distinction made?
Does one just say this is an EOMA68 housing/card?
Or, do they say they have EOMA68 certification?
The standard usage Luke has maintained is to say something is EOMA68,
so, if you're certified, you don't have to say you're certified. This
means if you see the word EOMA68 that it is strictly certified.

The name of the card is the Libre Tea, so that's what an hobbyist
should say they are using.
If a card is plugged into an uncertified housing, that card should no
longer fits the criteria for the certification, assuming the standard
is worded as it should be.

Why so strict?
Luke, wouldn't have to be strict if the certification mark read
"certified EOMA68", however, the certification mark is simply
"EOMA68", which tactically internationalizes the mark. This way it can
be the same across countries with different languages and, anyone able
to read those letters can trust the certification, regardless of if
they can read the rest of the package.

Say you're Chinese, if you see "EOMA-like" on a package then you might
not understand the word like and assume wrongly that the card is
EOMA68 certified. Luke is liable for that confusion, because, as a
part of the standard, Luke could-have-and-chose-not-to make rules
about what countries EOMA68 cards are allowed to be sold in and about
what languages labels must be printed in.

So let's say that someone wants to be extra-ecological and not use any
packaging, simply having EOMA68 engraved on the card demonstrated
certification. If someone resells damaged cards as new, certification
mark violation could be a pathway to restitution where there aren't
very strong purchaser protection laws. Luke could even define rules
for what to disclose about the assurance checks done when reselling a
used card. Depending on the jurisdiction, resellers would possibly
have to cover or destroy the mark, if they violated any of those
rules.

A standard could become very intrusive, if you think about it, but
only to protect principles. No matter how intrusive, it has to be
FRAND or else courts will order it be dissolved.

If someone is documenting their hobby projects, certifications
shouldn't be mentioned and any certification marks should be covered
in any images or videos. US law probably doesn't require this and
protects their citizens from needing to do this, however Luke may then
be required by the laws of other countries to request the content be
geo-restricted and pursue the liability of the hosting website if the
request isn't honored.
The world of international incorporation is fucking complicated.

Disclaimer: [what Julie said^]

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Re: [Arm-netbook] pyra computer

[Jean Flamelle]

On 2/5/18, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton  wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 5:28 PM,   wrote:
>
>> If I write: Lkcl, can you ...
>> Then I want you to answer.
>> If I write: Can lkcl ...
>> Then all on the email list may answer.
>
>  the list's name is "arm-netbooks", best to refer to everyone on it by
> that, rather than confuse the use of my personal initials of my
> personal name?
>
> l.

A lead participating in community as a regular member, is important.
This is difficult task not many will understand the value of, much
less appreciate.

If we don't address Luke directly, we depreciate a great deal of energy.
Exaggerating what many could answer, deprives meaning from those few
or the only one who can answer rigorously accurate.

Transparency requires tinted windows.
Openness requires passionate effort.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] Arm Netbook: I just was reading some old logs,

[Jean Flamelle]

That was an old email I found searching my inbox rather than
"site:https://lists.phcomp.co.uk/pipermail/arm-netbook/;.

Didn't mean any confusion by forwarding it instead of quoting it.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] Arm Netbook: I just was reading some old logs,

[Jean Flamelle]

http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/pipermail/arm-netbook/2017-February/012942.html
http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/pipermail/arm-netbook/2013-June/thread.html#7620

These are the relevant threads and emails that I found.

Ultimately there are just unidentified broken drivers and it would
just take an unpredictable amount of effort to even determine which
ones.

All necessary drivers and firmware are present, only some function
and/or variable names were likely changed somewhere down the line
which weren't properly updated for all drivers.

I'm sure this type of thing is fairly common.

Disclaimer: not a programmer; likely very incorrect.

-- Forwarded message --
From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton 
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2017 05:45:44 +
Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] systemd and kernel: 3.4, mainline
To: Linux on small ARM machines 

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 5:33 AM, Stefan Monnier  wrote:
>> And now I hear that A20 card will be shipped with kernel 3.4. Sure, it's
>> not lower than 3.2 but how long will glibc support 3.4? What about other
>> packages?
>
> Actually, mainline support for A20 isn't that bad, depending on your
> specific use case.
> Check http://linux-sunxi.org/Linux_mainlining_effort.  It's fairly good
> for headless servers, less so for tablets and desktops.  And there is
> (slow) progress, so its future isn't too bleak.

 yeahhh, it's the lack of desktop support that's the main concern.
i'd like to be able to say that it will be possible to fund the
mainlining support but it isn't, right now.

 also, as i mentioned earlier, the A20's running out of time.  i'm
going to have to ship with only an older toshipba 1MB or even just a
128kb NAND flash because it's getting harder and harder to find
so-called "legacy" NAND flash ICs in TSSOP packaging that the A20's
brain-dead boot ROM recognises.

so now you may gain some understanding why the RK3288 board is so important.

 (a) it's got full mainline support
 (b) it's just as libre as the A20 Card
 (c) it has mass-volume support
 (d) it's had a chromebook and more made around it
 (e) it's been around long enough to have all the problems ironed out
 (f) the technical reference manuals are now online
 (g) it's possible to get Reference Designs for $USD 25.

that DOES NOT mean that the A20 board is not important: it is critical
at this early phase.

l.

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[Arm-netbook] New Economics Wikipage

[Jean Flamelle]

I'm starting the new page to address ideas on how to incent more to
support the project.

Since cryptocurrency was a recent hot-topic and some appreciated my
input there, I'll be starting with a brief rundown of why the topic is
complicated and might one start if they want to deep dive into it. I
don't want to give my opinion on which currencies we should accept,
even standard ones, because the issue is so deep I'd rather help
others break into the conversation. Mindshare is really crucial here,
because this defines all-in-all the people the project supports, how
much the project supports them, and who will be incent to support the
project as a result.

We don't want to goad people into spreading word, sharing references,
and funding EOMA or FLOSS. We want to play nice and win their hearts
then only after recognizing we've won them over convince them to do
those things.

The level of disclosure this mailing-list demonstrates such impeccable
willingness to abide that principle, that is what really won me into
participating.

-

Aside, I'm still going to be on and off contributing to the "proposed
best practices" page.
I would like to start with examples of what I consider pretty
impressive projects.
I am also interested in liberating CHIP, but I want to get a more
thorough understanding of electronic circuit firmware before I move
forward.

As is important to say, I'd rather do well or have not done at all.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] Can’t LogIn To Wiki?

[Jean Flamelle]

On 1/28/18, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton  wrote:
>  eyy according to that article what you say phil makes *perfect
> sense*!  all "aggregate things" are conscious

tehehe, I believe that belief is called animism and it's the inverse
of deism. To say every body of mass possesses spirit with a weaker
influence if inanimate than animate bodies, but also with a different
influence. A spirit which makes the lilies grow, for an animist, won't
also be a ghost that can throw a book. Though nothing is to say book
throwing ghosts can't communicate with lily growing mushi (japanese:
"master spirit" implying "master of a specific domain" not "master of
spirits").

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[Arm-netbook] Software as a Community Service

[Jean Flamelle]

In an ideal global community, there would be distributed to every
language-bearing living being a modicum of electronic networking and
information rendering hardware. That isn't going to be any day soon. I
identify with arguments against SaaS,---and posed them to Urbit's
bugtracker in issue 911---however software as a community service,
without any potential for personal or collective gain that couldn't
achieved by any kek of equal mind without prior reputation or special
location, will include people who cannot effectively have compiled or
rendered on their own. I would like to hear the arguments against
ubuntu's launchpad buildbots specifically, because, if there are none
specific to that case, I contend that every major libre project should
host a ppa on launchpad to include the people of Africa and the Orient
with limited devices not to mention youths of the world with limited
support from their living communities stuck in highly restrictive
computing environments lacking digital sovereignty over a physical
device.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] Standards Organization as a Potentially Universal Free/Libre Software Developement Sustenance Model

[Jean Flamelle]

When I try to update the wikipage, I get: "An error occurred while
writing CGI reply"
Fortunately didn't lose anything.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] Free software possibly abusing network effect

[Jean Flamelle]

On 12/21/17, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton  wrote:
>  (1) they're setting themselves up as a sole exclusive gateway.
> *they* are in control... thus it's no different from the USA
> controlling DNS by controlling the root-level DNS servers.
>
>  (2) ticket touts (aka "cyber squatting").  the problem with DNS is:
> once someone's registered a domain that's it, they can charge you
> whatever they like.  in this case it's EVEN WORSE than the DNS
> registration system as there's no authority you can appeal to to
> reclaim a name... thus your ENTIRE BUSINESS can be phished by a cyber
> squatter.
>
>  does that sound like a reasonable summary?  (1) cartel (2) ticket tout.

In the case of urbit, I'm afraid they will eventually get mainstream
appeal, as a network which deters spam. The issue is much much worse
than DNS, not because there is no appeal body (there is, kindof).
Their "name" system is hierarchal so at the top is the dev team which
assigns   through   those then can assign the portion
of 00 through FF which is prefixed by their name. So if I literally
purchase from the dev team 0101 0101 in their name space, they will
write my public key into the source code and I can literally start
selling addresses 0101 0101   through 0101 0101  .
Continuing in this pattern until  . The problem I see is
prefix competition.


>> I outline my chief problem with this in the issue which was closed
>> literally within minutes.
>
>  that should tell you everything you need to know.
[it was an hour to be exact; I exaggerated]

>  it looks similar to blockstack, where, bless 'em, that team clearly
> have their hearts in the right place... designing something that is
> entirely libre, they've even set themselves up as a Benefit
> Corporation...


They even suggest in their docs, when it comes to spam filtering some
prefixes will be like bad neighborhoods. There is no rule stopping a
prefix owner from demanding (in addition to money) social media
passwords, government issued ID, travel records, an test of aquity, or
pretty much any of the numerous things that can be done wrong with
immigration checks. Why would anyone subject themselves to any of
this?
To be able to get around a website's spam filter that's why.

This fixes captcha, but breaks freedom of information at it's core as
well as freedom of speech at its core.

I'd like to point out the underlining OS looks like a masterwork they
literally described in their whitepaper as something you might find on
an alien spaceship.
https://media.urbit.org/whitepaper.pdf

I'm very afraid they might gain real traction if someone doesn't fork
them and create some sort of PKI-linked captcha system. Maybe then
they'll fix the error of their ways..


>   aand they're recommending that in order to discuss how to free
> yourself from data privacy invasions and design apps that allow users
> control of their data... you should REGISTER ON SLACK
>
> gaah :)
>
> more fundamentally than that, their entire protocol yet again sets
> themselves up as "my gateway or the highway".  they've not realised
> that they've set themselves up as a cartel.  sure, the source code is
> available!!  but that's absolutely no good WHATSOEVER if, when you set
> up your OWN network, you are FORCED out: YOUR users cannot interact
> with THEIR users.
>
>  so they *talk* of it being decentralised peer-to-peer but have
> fundamentally failed to understand the concept.
>
> oy, oy, what can you do, ehn? :)
>
> l.
>
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Re: [Arm-netbook] Mali / Lima

[Jean Flamelle]

On 9/18/17, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton  wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 12:29 PM, mike.v...@gmail.com
>  wrote:
>> It seems that someone has picked up the tainted project.
>>
>> https://github.com/yuq?tab=repositories
>
>  good for them.  all that fuss by ARM, and what do they get? an
> employee from AMD carrying on the work.
>
>  mwahaahha
>

Do you know how to say standalone complex? :)

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Re: [Arm-netbook] EFI/UEFI bios question

[Jean Flamelle]

Despite the negative press and the huge skepticism over their
posh brand and shell-shocking optimism in area people have been
cynical for a long while, they claim they've completely disabled Intel
ME as well as completed their coreboot port. Both of these have been
relatively recent developments, but I think it's not unreasonable to
say there is a correlation between these successes and the
endorsements they are getting from gnome and kde with their new phone
project. And, I'm sure these people would have checked.
That in mind, EOMA is still designed around portability,
hardware openness, and reparability (with importance expressed in
reverse order). x86 got torn apart to shreds at the last Blackhat as
far as I can tell. Libre linux on RISC is definitely going to be the
first 100% safe harbor for secure computing. It would be very nice if
the folks at Purism added a EOMA card slot at some point in the coming
future to their computers.
I doubt these Purism laptops would be any bit disappointing.

On 10/2/17, Joseph Lira  wrote:
> Hello
>
>
> I know this is an arm project, but honestly I didn't know where else to ask
> this question without getting lynch, well hopefully I wont get lynch here
> neither
>
>
> So I'm in the market for a new laptop and I recently rediscovered the
> finding for legbacore when if come to malware attacks
>
> on UEFI,
> http://www.legbacore.com/Research_files/HowManyMillionBIOSesWouldYouLikeToInfect_Whitepaper_v1.pdf
>
> http://www.legbacore.com/Research.html
>
> and how until today there seems to be no real solution to the problem as no
> manufacture continues to support hardware through bios/firmware updates
> after usually 1 year of purchasing a product, well Apple seems to be the
> only one. And no I don't consider as a solution running old x200 with
> coreboot or libreboot as this approach is not really practical for the
> day-day user. Let face is who doesn't know someone like this
>
> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=cloudy+with+a+chance+of+meatballs+dad+computer=ffsb=videos=1=2bTBVdumayw
>
>
> Just one thing, please don't give me the libre speech about Intel ME, I get
> it, I just don't want the replies to become a holy fight as to why I'm evil
> or x person is evil, I want to understand better the situation and possibly
> get some suggestions
>
>
> So my questions are
>
>   1.  Is my pre 2014 non uefi hardware more susceptible to vulnerabilities
> than lets say a laptop that was bough last year that is no longer getting
> bios updates?
>   2.  Should I be concerned about running old hardware? If not is there
> anything I can do to better protect my hardware and for the wise guy
> unplugging the computer from the internet is not a solution LOL
>   3.  If I run uefi with secure boot enabled with my own keys em I more
> protected against having my system compromised?Remember this is not about
> Intel ME
>   4.  Em I better off buying a macbook vs pc? lets face it, both are
> companies that are for profit and both have there own evils
>   5.  Should I consider buying a librem laptop? Though I do think $1300 plus
> is to much. Seems to me that they are closer to have coreboot and disabling
> ME on there laptops than anyone else
>   6.  Is there hope for the new AMD ryzen cpu at delivering what is required
> to port it to coreboot? Should I wait for it?
>   7.  A little of topic but is PureOS from purism any good at doing what it
> promises? Or are there other distro better?
>
>
> thank you in advance to anyone who replies, links and articles are welcome
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Re: [Arm-netbook] The Libre Guild of Program Changers [Formerly "Re: Standards Organization as a Potentially Universal Free/Libre Software Developement Sustenance Model:

[Jean Flamelle]

On 9/5/17, Philip Hands  wrote:
> Great care needs to be taken when considering paying people to do things
> that they might otherwise do for the love of it.
>
> If you introduce a monetary incentive, and the work is then done by
> people who's primary motive is money, then while the volume of
> contributions might well go up, the quality could plummet.
>
> You may then find that those unpaid heroes that stand as gatekeepers,
> triaging patches that come into free software projects, suddenly find
> themselves drowning in excrement.
>

Which I think that illustrates the need for more guild-like behavior,
where notoriety and respect of skill is proportional to one's
influence networking commissioners.

The way to avoid an organization similar to modern guilds is to ensure
sincere meritocracy, and the way to do that is complete,
uncompromising, as well as loud transparency.

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[Arm-netbook] [Formerly "Re: Standards Organization as a Potentially Universal Free/Libre Software Developement Sustenance Model:

[Jean Flamelle]

On 5/31/17, John Luke Gibson  wrote:
> Neverminding the ridiculous length of that subject line..
>
> I just thought an interesting thought.
>
> First, a little context, (I know how rms feels about blockchains) I
> was investigating slock.it and thinking to myself "why don't they just
> make a hardware standard like eoma instead of closing their
> development and calling it open?" (Like, Pi-Top is [n]ever gonna
> release those stl files)
> (I realize that's a loaded 'just' cause it sounds easy, but is one of
> the most difficult possible)
>
> Then, it dawned on me: Lulzbot doesn't do that.. Wait, Lulzbot
> exclusively uses open software in their development.. Then *bam* like
> a boulder (nothing to do with Lulzbot): GPL-violations, improper GUI
> training, failing to extend using APIs/Addons, failing to
> bugsmash/'track-issues', failing to participate in mailing-lists and
> irc, failing to simply fork when development goals conflict, planned
> esoteric-ism and/or planned obsolescence, failure to secure clientèle
> data by using fully free systems (when relevant), failure to
> participate-in and be-aware-of public conversations about the
> underlining security of said systems (when relevant), failure to
> disclose supplychain information/identities (when relevant), failure
> at general transparency.
>
> All of these things traditionally go wrong with not only companies
> that use open source, but companies in-general.
>
> Then, it truly truly dawned on me, free software needs standards
> organizations as well.
>

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Re: [Arm-netbook] frickin funny

[Jean Flamelle]

It's funny part of the legacy though, being that the FCC adopted it in
an attempt to force cable companies to give people choice.

On 8/14/17, zap  wrote:
> On 08/13/2017 09:49 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
>
>> https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/78w8jy/pcmcia-once-defined-portable-computing-now-its-a-cable-industry-oddity
>>
>> i had no idea this article existed... i absolutely love the conclusion
> Ah yes, the good ol cable company putting the user first and letting
> them have the freedom to choose, wait a minute, did I say that they did
> that? my mistake I was thinking of the exact opposite... hmm...
>
>
>
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[Arm-netbook] Conflict-free minerals

[Jean Flamelle]

I just thought I'd make a poke about this.

Been a bit busy lately to contribute to the liberating chip or the
standards thread, but will be getting back on those soon.

No one has really mentioned conflict-free minerals, or does so often
in the libre community.
It's kinda like adding just one other complication to an already
mess-y problem, but I'm interested to know more about the details and
problems involved with paying attention to the actual mineral
sourcing.

I can imagine many OEM's don't publish or even pay attention to where
they get minerals from, so I imagine the potential parts list dwindles
beyond reason at simply limiting one's self to OEM's that at least
list their mineral sources, much less then actually trying to them
limit it based on the fairly subjective "conflict-free" qualification.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] Standards Organization as a Potentially Universal Free/Libre Software Developement Sustenance Model

[Jean Flamelle]

On 7/16/17, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton  wrote:
>> The word "code" in "code of conduct" does usually implies formal
>> membership, so I thought it might be confusing to some people if the
>> phrase became popular in closed circles.
>
>  no - it's well-known that "code of conduct" is a dangerous, toxic and
>  highly unethical system of "control" over contributors.  *i* didn't know
>  that, so i did a comprehensive analysis here on the list about 6-8
>  months ago, and emphatically agreed with the assessment.

Ah - I see. I think I see it as more a representation of what
moderators will probably do regardless of if said document exists or
not. I think it very toxic if they try to hurt project forks that do
things differently, but moderators inevitably will try to establish a
certain culture within their project and documenting the moderators
behaviors will set the right expectations in people.

Inevitably, and especially as the open-source and free software
communities grow, there will be project forks based simply on certain
people that can't cooperate with each other. I think this kind of
conflict can breed a healthy diversity in people, so, if a small group
of contributors write up a small "code of conduct" on how they like to
be treated, I think that can be healthy depending on the
circumstances.

I see it that such a doc could mean "don't talk to me, if you do X" or
it could mean "you can't have my code, if you do X". The former is all
well and fine, but the later I'd agree is toxic.


>> I opted to separate it like that to make it more unambiguous, since
>> there are two possible definitions of libre in regard to websites:
>> open-source/free scripts and open-source/free server code.
>
>  hmmm *thinks*... is the distinction important?  don't know.  so
> it should probably go on the list.  it might be statistically
> significant.
>
>  so a column "Web site source available / License"
>  and now that i think about it "Documentation source available / License"
>
>  should be added

I'm starting to really feel the usefulness of collecting this data :>


>
>  yuck.   please don't: i use 4-spaces-per-tab where other people will
> use 8.  also, the reason for using spaces is because you can just put
> your editor into "replace" mode and the formatting remains stable.
>
> please put it back.
>

I got this error trying to revert the change back "Error: Failed to
revert commit 27584a06584f4942b6d24bda08511cedd3f867d3 'git revert
--no-commit 27584a06584f4942b6d24bda08511cedd3f867d3' failed: "

Hm, the web editor uses a proportional-pitch font, so it's impossible
to tell the number of spaces in a table to get alignment. (didn't
realize you could use git to edit it, so I thought you also saw this.)

I'm not in on the spaces v. tabs holy war. lol

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Re: [Arm-netbook] Standards Organization as a Potentially Universal Free/Libre Software Developement Sustenance Model

[Jean Flamelle]

On 7/15/17, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton  wrote:
>  liked some, didn't like others.  "etiquette guidelines" doesn't have
> the same toxic punch as "code of conduct" is well-known for.

The word "code" in "code of conduct" does usually implies formal
membership, so I thought it might be confusing to some people if the
phrase became popular in closed circles.

Etiquette guidelines isn't perfect either, because samba technically
actually has a page called "Etiquette" however that refers to trimming
mailing list posts and not in any way how people ought to treat each
other.

Perhaps "Contributor Conduct Guidelines"?

  liked
> the idea of including the VCS and if it's libre-hosted (likewise for
> bugtracker) but *not* the wording you chose ("self-hosted").

I opted to separate it like that to make it more unambiguous, since
there are two possible definitions of libre in regard to websites:
open-source/free scripts and open-source/free server code. Most
browsers provide no practical way to prove the source code belongs to
the scripts actually sent by the server, without running them, and
because of this it might be argued that the server code should also be
libre so that anyone could run an offline mirror.

If we say arbitrarily that a website is libre it could mean one of
three things: functions w/o script, open-source/free scripts, or
open-source/free server code.

The assumption is that if the server code is libre, then self-hosting
should make by extension the repositories libre. Though, I suppose
there would be nothing hindering someone from just omitting that part
of the server code, on second thought. It's a tricky situation.


>  also i turned the table round by 90 degrees as i could see it getting
> far too long, and then broke them down into related groups.  still
> some TODO.

Thanks, much less cluttered!

I use cut-and-paste to convert the spaces to tabs just now to clean the source.

Also, on a side note, I put urbit on there because they are unorthodox
and because they have an unusually high ratio interest compared to
people actually able to contribute, much like you would expect from
RISC or KiCAD, but not 'another' replacement for apache.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] Standards Organization as a Potentially Universal Free/Libre Software Developement Sustenance Model

[Jean Flamelle]

put some more projects on the list*

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Re: [Arm-netbook] Standards Organization as a Potentially Universal Free/Libre Software Developement Sustenance Model

[Jean Flamelle]

On 7/13/17, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <l...@lkcl.net> wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Jean Flamelle <eaterjo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Meh, I don't really think myself ready to write this kind of a document.
>> I really don't know as much as I'd like to on the topic.
>
>  well... would you like to help evaluate some of the long-standing
> well-known free software projects out there?   i vaguely recall making
> a list a few weeks ago.  we need a table showing what "features" each
> of them has.  do they use mailing lists, do they have a forum, do they
> have a charter, do they have a "code of conduct" *shudder*, do they
> properly honour free software licenses or do they have some sort of
> unethical "forced contributor agreement" (oracle in particular).
>
> a comparison of pre and post forks for major projects such as x11 /
> xorg, openoffice / libreoffice, mysql / mariadb, and so on, would be
> really *really* interesting and informative.
>
> l.

I would be glad to do that!
I think it would be very important to focus on projects that create
software or firmware, which are of particular relevance to
non-programmers. I think this because they'll likely be under
significantly disproportionate proportionate pressure compared to the
amount of contributions to code that they receive. Blender, Gimp, and
Aperture, are just a few that come to mind immediately, but projects
like RISC-V and Kicad would arguably also count since there are still
large portions of their audiences likely specialize very far away from
the type of software programming knowledge required to contribute.

I think for most people the inclination to donate to any software
projects fiscally, would be predictable (with a high confidence value)
by the the ratio of technical programming knowledge and their
dependence on the software created by that project. For that reason
you could also say, it would be a higher priority to evaluate gnome as
as a software project than debian, because ubuntu is more often
pitched to a less technical audience. Of course, the fsf already
evaluates distributions and doesn't endorse ubuntu anyway, so it would
probably be perceived in really bad taste if the libre community
started listing reasons why they gave gnome a poor evaluation score if
that was the outcome, so I suppose it would be best to avoid it all
together and only evaluate desktop environments as software projects
if the are made available in an fsf-endorsed distribution by default.
(I know I've heard people say trisquel is based on ubuntu, but I don't
know what desktop environment it uses by default).

All in all, for a base, I think aperture would be a good starting
point, since GIMP and Blender get a lot of flack that aperture doesn't
atm. I realize most of what they are doing is hardware, but their is a
lot of firmware involved. Also, I haven't heard very many complaints
about inkscape, so that would be a decent one to start with. I'm
hesitant to talk about OpenShot or libreoffice early on, because they
are (as we like to say in the wikipedia community) POV-forks than
independent projects. In other words, it's impossible to honestly and
sincerely evaluate LibreOffice as a project without comparing it to
OpenOffice and likewise OpenShot to Blender and in small part
Audacity.

Since I don't feel especially confident in my ability handling this
topic, I would probably sooner get feedback through this thread than
add any "evaluations" I make straight to the wiki. Because of this, I
think it's important I start by documenting on which ever of the "good
candidate" projects attracts the most interest in this thread, at
least on the philosophical level of how they "go about their business"
if not on a fundamental level of "I really like this project".

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Re: [Arm-netbook] Standards Organization as a Potentially Universal Free/Libre Software Developement Sustenance Model

[Jean Flamelle]

Meh, I don't really think myself ready to write this kind of a document.
I really don't know as much as I'd like to on the topic.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] Side-Topic: Liberating PocketCHIP

[Jean Flamelle]

On 7/6/17, Pablo  wrote:
> This is a quite late reply to some Emails on this list from May. I took some
> time to research and test.
> John, do you still work on liberating Pocketchip?

Got distracted trying to install parabola on an asus c201 (nothing can
write a sane gpt header to emmc it seems). Actually learned about the
deblob scripts seeing a script use them on the chrome kernel, so I was
thinking about running deblob in a u-boot directory and seeing what
happens.

My understanding (which isn't too reliable) is that the universal in
universal bootloader is that u-boot handles some operations that would
normally be handled by linux, including passing microcode and handling
some firmware.

> Good news is that I managed to install Debian
> Stretch (current stable) with Debian Installer on a USB-stick. The CHIP
> OS based on Debian by NextThing is completely left alone.
> I plan to write a tutorial to document my approach and will put it on the
> Debian Wiki.

Yeah!

>> I knew about the wiki, then again I believe someone else was asking
>> about one earlier.
>
> Yes, it was me.

heh.. Sorry ,xD I didn't know the exact url by heart and never got
around to posting it on da list as a ref later.

> I ditched all the custom NTC stuff and went for vanilla Debian. I have
> managed to install Debian Stretch (current Stable) on a USB stick
> using Debian Installer. I am using a self-compiled mainline U-Boot via
> sunxi-fel to
> circumvent the U-Boot version on NAND provided by the manufacturer which
> can not boot from USB.

I'm not sure if you mean version "of" NAND, but otherwise it sounds
like your saying they hardcoded it not boot that way?
Feature-not-a-bug?

> I had some problems to boot the rootfs after completing installation and
> solved it with help from the debian-arm mailing list (see this thread
> for additional information:
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-arm/2017/06/msg00027.html)
> I am only using Debians main repos and connect to the Internet via
> USB-OTG with the g_ether kernel module and a network bridge on my
> desktop.

That whole thing sounds like it was painful to get operating.

> This is libre enough for me.
> I am running Chip headless via ssh and have not tested video and
> sound yet. There may be some hidden quirks I am not yet aware of but so
> far it looks good.

I would be very interested to know if GPIO functions okay like that.

kudos Pablo!

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