Re: BMC Support Site Rant

2007-10-30 Thread Hugo Visser
I know we are eating our own dog food, our Customer Care department uses
ExpertDesk (ofcourse!). And yes, the detailed description field is of length
0. No rocket science there :)

On topic, I always assumed that BMC uses some form of ITSM for their
support, but they do not? What about the last big upgrade, when we all moved
to the ISS numbers?

Hugo

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 Actually...

 I think it is a simple enough observation to say

 If ITSM is a leading product for Service Management then why do they
 not use it to manage their relationship with their own customers?



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Java API 7.1 retrieve example

2007-10-30 Thread Michiel Beijen
Good morning dear listers,

I'm not a Java guy but mere a simple Remedy consultant... currently I'm
working on a project in which we'll be interfacing with a middleware
solution and I have to explain to a java programmer how to retrieve
records from a form in Remedy.

I already have a sample script for creating new records, that works. I
also know how to retrieve one record. But does anybody have a sample
script for retrieving multiple records from a form based on a
qualification that he or she wants to share?

Many thanks in advance!

-- 
Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards
Michiel Beijen
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Re: Java API 7.1 retrieve example

2007-10-30 Thread Carey Matthew Black
Michiel,

Point the Java programmer at the JavaDriver source code. Be warned, I
found the v7.1 windows install to be missing two class files. So if
your missing them then he will not be able to compile the JavaDriver
himself, but it also comes pre-compiled in a JavaDriver.jar file in
the windows install too. So he can use it, and look at most of the
code. In the specific case that your talking about I think he should
have access to all of the ARS API java code that he would need to look
at.

YMMV.

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Remedy Skilled Professional (RSP)
ARS = Action Request System(Remedy)

Love, then teach
Solution = People + Process + Tools
Fast, Accurate, Cheap Pick two.


On 10/30/07, Michiel Beijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Good morning dear listers,

 I'm not a Java guy but mere a simple Remedy consultant... currently I'm
 working on a project in which we'll be interfacing with a middleware
 solution and I have to explain to a java programmer how to retrieve
 records from a form in Remedy.

 I already have a sample script for creating new records, that works. I
 also know how to retrieve one record. But does anybody have a sample
 script for retrieving multiple records from a form based on a
 qualification that he or she wants to share?

 Many thanks in advance!

 --
 Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards
 Michiel Beijen

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Database issue

2007-10-30 Thread Konstantin Pavlov
Hello all,

 

Remedy 7.0.01 patch 004

Server Group

 

DB:10.2.0.2.0 64bit

 

 

We have this issue:

 

We need to change our default value of DB parameter create storage in row, 
because our db is 64GB

and we want to reduce size of it. 

 

storage in row clause is described in 
http://download.oracle.com/docs/cd/B14117_01/appdev.101/b10840/mm_dba.htm 

 

 

Before some months we change it from remedy admin tool - Server Information - 
Database - Store Clob in Row, 

but this is available only for new created forms and with clob for storing of 
data - like HPD HelpDerk.

 

 

My question is:

 

 If we change this parameter to True for existing tables (directly in db) and 
our db admins recreate tables 

(export and import data) should this cause future problems for our prod Remedy 
data and/or db?

 

 

Best Regards

 

Konstantin Pavlov

 


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Time change issue on client

2007-10-30 Thread Mahan, Janet L [EQ]
Has anyone had trouble with the client not having the correct time since
last Sunday, October 28?  Our unix server time is correct and our
Windows Citrix server time is correct but 'some' of the users are an
hour behind.  It seems to correct the problem if we take out the locale
and leave it clear on the preference form.  But won't that be a problem
for the web client?

Any ideas?

Janet Mahan
Network Systems Administrator II
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Re: Database issue

2007-10-30 Thread Davies, J.T.
We went through this exact change about two months ago.  Our 60gig DB
went down to 13gig overnight after my DBA's rebuilt the tables with this
parameter.  I can't see a reason why you wouldn't use this on an Oracle
database...(but then, I'm still pretty green to Oracle.)

J.T. 

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Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 7:00 AM
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Subject: Re: Database issue

This should not be a problem. Remedy simply alters the ddl for the
create table statements when that parameter is changed.  The effects on
the dml (select, insert, update) should not be impacted by alterations
made by your dba.  Just make sure Remedy is down when your dba's are
making the changes.

Axton Grams

On Oct 30, 2007 6:50 AM, Konstantin Pavlov [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 **



 Hello all,



 Remedy 7.0.01 patch 004

 Server Group



 DB:10.2.0.2.0 64bit





 We have this issue:



 We need to change our default value of DB parameter create storage in

 row, because our db is 64GB

 and we want to reduce size of it.



 storage in row clause is described in 
 http://download.oracle.com/docs/cd/B14117_01/appdev.101/b10840/mm_dba.
 htm





 Before some months we change it from remedy admin tool - Server 
 Information
 - Database - Store Clob in Row,

 but this is available only for new created forms and with clob for 
 storing of data - like HPD HelpDerk.





 My question is:



  If we change this parameter to True for existing tables (directly in 
 db) and our db admins recreate tables

 (export and import data) should this cause future problems for our 
 prod Remedy data and/or db?





 Best Regards



 Konstantin Pavlov

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Re: Time change issue on client

2007-10-30 Thread Lockwood, Teresa L
I had one user who was an hour behind but everyone else and our servers
were fine.  I uninstalled then reinstalled his client and he's fine now.


 



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Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 10:33 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Time change issue on client

 

Has anyone had trouble with the client not having the correct time since
last Sunday, October 28?  Our unix server time is correct and our
Windows Citrix server time is correct but 'some' of the users are an
hour behind.  It seems to correct the problem if we take out the locale
and leave it clear on the preference form.  But won't that be a problem
for the web client?

Any ideas? 

Janet Mahan 
Network Systems Administrator II 
EMBARQ 
  
Voice: 941-766-6199  |  Wireless: 321-356-0128  |  Fax: 941-766-6199 
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
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Re: Time change issue on client

2007-10-30 Thread Kaiser Norm E CIV USAF 96 CS/SCCE
Janet:

Because you indicate that the problem affects only some of your users, I
would suspect this is a client issue, not a server issue.  So, first of
all, are you certain the Windows OS of the affected users have been
patched for DST? I just noticed yesterday morning that my Windows XP
desktop at home is not patched and the time is off.

Secondly, what version/patch level of the client tool are your affected
users running?

Norm

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Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:33 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Time change issue on client

** 

Has anyone had trouble with the client not having the correct time since
last Sunday, October 28?  Our unix server time is correct and our
Windows Citrix server time is correct but 'some' of the users are an
hour behind.  It seems to correct the problem if we take out the locale
and leave it clear on the preference form.  But won't that be a problem
for the web client?

Any ideas? 

Janet Mahan 
Network Systems Administrator II 
EMBARQ 
  
Voice: 941-766-6199  |  Wireless: 321-356-0128  |  Fax: 941-766-6199 
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
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Re: Database issue

2007-10-30 Thread Axton
I found this insightful:

http://tkyte.blogspot.com/2007/02/i-learn-something-new-every-day.html

Axton Grams

On Oct 30, 2007 10:48 AM, Davies, J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 We went through this exact change about two months ago.  Our 60gig DB
 went down to 13gig overnight after my DBA's rebuilt the tables with this
 parameter.  I can't see a reason why you wouldn't use this on an Oracle
 database...(but then, I'm still pretty green to Oracle.)

 J.T.


 -Original Message-
 From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Axton
 Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 7:00 AM
 To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
 Subject: Re: Database issue

 This should not be a problem. Remedy simply alters the ddl for the
 create table statements when that parameter is changed.  The effects on
 the dml (select, insert, update) should not be impacted by alterations
 made by your dba.  Just make sure Remedy is down when your dba's are
 making the changes.

 Axton Grams

 On Oct 30, 2007 6:50 AM, Konstantin Pavlov [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  **
 
 
 
  Hello all,
 
 
 
  Remedy 7.0.01 patch 004
 
  Server Group
 
 
 
  DB:10.2.0.2.0 64bit
 
 
 
 
 
  We have this issue:
 
 
 
  We need to change our default value of DB parameter create storage in

  row, because our db is 64GB
 
  and we want to reduce size of it.
 
 
 
  storage in row clause is described in
  http://download.oracle.com/docs/cd/B14117_01/appdev.101/b10840/mm_dba.
  htm
 
 
 
 
 
  Before some months we change it from remedy admin tool - Server
  Information
  - Database - Store Clob in Row,
 
  but this is available only for new created forms and with clob for
  storing of data - like HPD HelpDerk.
 
 
 
 
 
  My question is:
 
 
 
   If we change this parameter to True for existing tables (directly in
  db) and our db admins recreate tables
 
  (export and import data) should this cause future problems for our
  prod Remedy data and/or db?
 
 
 
 
 
  Best Regards
 
 
 
  Konstantin Pavlov
 
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New ITSM Dataload Utility

2007-10-30 Thread David Charters
Listers,

 

I am trying to use the latest ITSM Dataloader from BMC for loading
foundation data into ITSM. I am having issues with it. Has anyone used this
tool successfully? I am having the following challenges:

 

Data is not showing up in the Data Validation screen, this worked before and
now it does not.

 

How do I get support groups and permissions loaded for the users, it seems
that you have to create a template for each user?

 

Regards,

 

David Charters

317-873-2564


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Re: New ITSM Dataload Utility

2007-10-30 Thread Rick Cook
Dave, I haven't used that, but I have used the advanced version of Effective
Technologies' Datalink tool, and that seems to work fine for adding user
perms.

Rick

On 10/30/07, David Charters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 **

 Listers,

 I am trying to use the latest ITSM Dataloader from BMC for loading
 foundation data into ITSM. I am having issues with it. Has anyone used this
 tool successfully? I am having the following challenges:

 Data is not showing up in the Data Validation screen, this worked before
 and now it does not.

 How do I get support groups and permissions loaded for the users, it seems
 that you have to create a template for each user?

 Regards,

 David Charters

 317-873-2564


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Re: Delete - Entry

2007-10-30 Thread Blankenship, Mark (Mark)
I don't think so.
I have always used 2 pieces of workflow.
1st. Sets flag to 'Delete'.  Based on whatever qual. 
2nd.  If flagged, run Delete process.

Mark Blankenship

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of E. Louise van Hine
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 2:02 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: 

Can anyone tell me what is wrong with this syntax  in the
Application-Query-Delete Entry?  The out of box filter just queries for
the Request ID, but I need it to only delete entries with the parameter
where the Status is Pending.

Can this command take two variables?

Application-Query-Delete-Entry AP:Detail 'Request' = $Request ID$
'Status-Dtl' = Pending


--
Regards,

Louise van Hine
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Re: New ITSM Dataload Utility

2007-10-30 Thread Matt Ferrigno
Hey David,

I used this last week, on AR 7.0.01 patch for without any major issues for
the product catalog. Though the first time I ran it, something strange
happened and the validation didn't go through.  I went into the DLD:Thread
Manager form, ran an unqualified search and deleted all the results. Then I
ran the validation again and it worked fine.

I'm a little confused though, are you not seeing any data on the data load
console screen, or the form that holds the actual data?
also, did you check the logs of in the dataloads directory to see if there
were any errors importing the data?

-Matt


On 10/30/07, Rick Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ** Dave, I haven't used that, but I have used the advanced version of
 Effective Technologies' Datalink tool, and that seems to work fine for
 adding user perms.

 Rick

  On 10/30/07, David Charters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  **
 
  Listers,
 
  I am trying to use the latest ITSM Dataloader from BMC for loading
  foundation data into ITSM. I am having issues with it. Has anyone used this
  tool successfully? I am having the following challenges:
 
  Data is not showing up in the Data Validation screen, this worked before
  and now it does not.
 
  How do I get support groups and permissions loaded for the users, it
  seems that you have to create a template for each user?
 
  Regards,
 
  David Charters
 
  317-873-2564
 
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Re: New ITSM Dataload Utility

2007-10-30 Thread David Charters
For example I have data in the CTM:LoadPeople form but it never pushed
anything to the DLD:SYS:DataLoad order form. There is an underlying issue I
had to over come. Def files pulled from previous versions of ARS (i.e. ARS
7.0.2) will not import into 7.1. So I had to work around by importing into a
7.0.2 server and then upgrading it to 7.1. I wonder if the results did not
work as well as I expected and something did not import correctly.

 

  _  

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Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 11:47 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: New ITSM Dataload Utility

 

** 

Hey David,

 

I used this last week, on AR 7.0.01 patch for without any major issues for
the product catalog. Though the first time I ran it, something strange
happened and the validation didn't go through.  I went into the DLD:Thread
Manager form, ran an unqualified search and deleted all the results. Then I
ran the validation again and it worked fine. 

 

I'm a little confused though, are you not seeing any data on the data load
console screen, or the form that holds the actual data?

also, did you check the logs of in the dataloads directory to see if there
were any errors importing the data?

 

-Matt

 

On 10/30/07, Rick Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

** 

Dave, I haven't used that, but I have used the advanced version of Effective
Technologies' Datalink tool, and that seems to work fine for adding user
perms.

 

Rick
 

On 10/30/07, David Charters [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote: 

** 

Listers,

I am trying to use the latest ITSM Dataloader from BMC for loading
foundation data into ITSM. I am having issues with it. Has anyone used this
tool successfully? I am having the following challenges: 

Data is not showing up in the Data Validation screen, this worked before and
now it does not.

How do I get support groups and permissions loaded for the users, it seems
that you have to create a template for each user?

Regards,

David Charters

317-873-2564

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Slow Incident Submit time with SLM

2007-10-30 Thread William Rentfrow
I'm testing some stuff and I'm experiencing very slow Incident submit
times right now.
 
I'm using SLM 7.03 and Incident 7.02.  I have two service targets
defined for a particular Incident - and submit time has now gone to
about 30 seconds for a single Incident.
 
I'm working through the logs, etc - but is anyone else using SLM with
IM?  If so, what sort of save times are you getting when you create a
new Incident that has Service Targets that attach?
 
William Rentfrow, Principal Consultant
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Re: Delete - Entry

2007-10-30 Thread Robert Halstead
Louise,

 Application-Query-Delete-Entry AP:Detail 'Request' = $Request ID$
'Status-Dtl' = Pending

I think you need an AND in that qualification.

Application-Query-Delete-Entry AP:Detail 'Request' = $Request ID$
AND 'Status-Dtl' = Pending

Application-Query-Delete-Entry takes 2 params, the first is the form
name, the second is a qualification string.  It's a little confusing,
but the qualification string is not surrounded by quotes so it's hard
to determine the 2 params.


On 10/30/07, Blankenship, Mark (Mark) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I don't think so.
 I have always used 2 pieces of workflow.
 1st. Sets flag to 'Delete'.  Based on whatever qual.
 2nd.  If flagged, run Delete process.

 Mark Blankenship

 -Original Message-
 From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of E. Louise van Hine
 Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 2:02 PM
 To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
 Subject:

 Can anyone tell me what is wrong with this syntax  in the
 Application-Query-Delete Entry?  The out of box filter just queries for
 the Request ID, but I need it to only delete entries with the parameter
 where the Status is Pending.

 Can this command take two variables?

 Application-Query-Delete-Entry AP:Detail 'Request' = $Request ID$
 'Status-Dtl' = Pending


 --
 Regards,

 Louise van Hine
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Re: Delete - Entry

2007-10-30 Thread E. Louise van Hine
Yes it does work after adding an AND, thanks folks. 


--
Regards,

Louise van Hine
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Quoting Robert Halstead [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


Louise,


Application-Query-Delete-Entry AP:Detail 'Request' = $Request ID$

'Status-Dtl' = Pending

I think you need an AND in that qualification. 


Application-Query-Delete-Entry AP:Detail 'Request' = $Request ID$
AND 'Status-Dtl' = Pending

Application-Query-Delete-Entry takes 2 params, the first is the form
name, the second is a qualification string.  It's a little confusing,
but the qualification string is not surrounded by quotes so it's hard
to determine the 2 params. 



On 10/30/07, Blankenship, Mark (Mark) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't think so. 
I have always used 2 pieces of workflow. 
1st. Sets flag to 'Delete'.  Based on whatever qual. 
2nd.  If flagged, run Delete process. 


Mark Blankenship

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of E. Louise van Hine
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 2:02 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject:

Can anyone tell me what is wrong with this syntax  in the
Application-Query-Delete Entry?  The out of box filter just queries for
the Request ID, but I need it to only delete entries with the parameter
where the Status is Pending.

Can this command take two variables?

Application-Query-Delete-Entry AP:Detail 'Request' = $Request ID$
'Status-Dtl' = Pending


--
Regards,

Louise van Hine
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Re: BMC Support Site Rant

2007-10-30 Thread Carey Matthew Black
A bit of clarification on the topic... I was contacted by a BMC person
off list to explain the situation.

BMC is using an ARS application to support their external customers.
(no surprise there, just look at the URL's on the support site)
However it is the Customer Support application and not currently
ITSM to deal with their customers. The project finalized last fall.
They also mentioned that they currently use ITSM internally.

And I love this quote... so I want to echo it too...

So really, we are drinking our own champagne!


The person went on to say that they are working on a move to ITSM for
their external customers, but we don't want to do too many changes in
too short a time.


I do appreciate the clarification. However, my original analysis still
stands... they are not (yet) using ITSM to support their customers.
Apparently they are using it to support themselves, so maybe that
counts to some extent. ( Let's give them credit for doing that. I am
sure it was no small feet for some of the long time BMC people to make
that adjustment. )


( I do realize that this is BUW week and I will be lucky to get a few
field mice to actually read this post this week too. But... for those
of us who did not get to go... or those that are just now getting back
from BUW)

So in the light of the new information I feel compelled to ask the ARSList

Does anyone think that BMC is changing to many things or moving to
fast, about how they are providing your support?

-- 
Carey Matthew Black
Remedy Skilled Professional (RSP)
ARS = Action Request System(Remedy)

Love, then teach
Solution = People + Process + Tools
Fast, Accurate, Cheap Pick two.


On 10/30/07, Hugo Visser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

snip

 On topic, I always assumed that BMC uses some form of ITSM for their
 support, but they do not? What about the last big upgrade, when we all moved
 to the ISS numbers?

 Hugo

 On 10/30/07, Carey Matthew Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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  I think it is a simple enough observation to say
 
  If ITSM is a leading product for Service Management then why do they
  not use it to manage their relationship with their own customers?

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Re: BMC Support Site Rant

2007-10-30 Thread David.M Clark
My personal experience is that one word sums up how bad their support is at 
this point: Bhopal

 Carey Matthew Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/30/2007 1:24 PM 
A bit of clarification on the topic... I was contacted by a BMC person
off list to explain the situation.

BMC is using an ARS application to support their external customers.
(no surprise there, just look at the URL's on the support site)
However it is the Customer Support application and not currently
ITSM to deal with their customers. The project finalized last fall.
They also mentioned that they currently use ITSM internally.

And I love this quote... so I want to echo it too...

So really, we are drinking our own champagne!


The person went on to say that they are working on a move to ITSM for
their external customers, but we don't want to do too many changes in
too short a time.


I do appreciate the clarification. However, my original analysis still
stands... they are not (yet) using ITSM to support their customers.
Apparently they are using it to support themselves, so maybe that
counts to some extent. ( Let's give them credit for doing that. I am
sure it was no small feet for some of the long time BMC people to make
that adjustment. )


( I do realize that this is BUW week and I will be lucky to get a few
field mice to actually read this post this week too. But... for those
of us who did not get to go... or those that are just now getting back
from BUW)

So in the light of the new information I feel compelled to ask the ARSList

Does anyone think that BMC is changing to many things or moving to
fast, about how they are providing your support?

-- 
Carey Matthew Black
Remedy Skilled Professional (RSP)
ARS = Action Request System(Remedy)

Love, then teach
Solution = People + Process + Tools
Fast, Accurate, Cheap Pick two.


On 10/30/07, Hugo Visser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

snip

 On topic, I always assumed that BMC uses some form of ITSM for their
 support, but they do not? What about the last big upgrade, when we all moved
 to the ISS numbers?

 Hugo

 On 10/30/07, Carey Matthew Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Actually...
 
  I think it is a simple enough observation to say
 
  If ITSM is a leading product for Service Management then why do they
  not use it to manage their relationship with their own customers?

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Re: BMC Support Site Rant

2007-10-30 Thread William Rentfrow
I think I'd have to support their position of using the Customer Support
product.

ITSM didn't go into general release until mid-last year (I forget
exactly when).  Their project to put the customer support product into
place probably started months before that - quite likely before they
even had a general release date for ITSM.

That said - if I was running a support organization I wouldn't want to
upgrade to a completely different product line right after finishing a
major implementation.  And the CS product is a good product for doing
outward facing customer support - plus it's still supported by Remedy
and is a current product offering.

I won't debate the philosophical implications of whether or not it would
be better if they used ITSM.  

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carey Matthew Black
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 1:24 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: BMC Support Site Rant

A bit of clarification on the topic... I was contacted by a BMC person
off list to explain the situation.

BMC is using an ARS application to support their external customers.
(no surprise there, just look at the URL's on the support site) However
it is the Customer Support application and not currently ITSM to deal
with their customers. The project finalized last fall.
They also mentioned that they currently use ITSM internally.

And I love this quote... so I want to echo it too...

So really, we are drinking our own champagne!


The person went on to say that they are working on a move to ITSM for
their external customers, but we don't want to do too many changes in
too short a time.


I do appreciate the clarification. However, my original analysis still
stands... they are not (yet) using ITSM to support their customers.
Apparently they are using it to support themselves, so maybe that counts
to some extent. ( Let's give them credit for doing that. I am sure it
was no small feet for some of the long time BMC people to make that
adjustment. )


( I do realize that this is BUW week and I will be lucky to get a few
field mice to actually read this post this week too. But... for those of
us who did not get to go... or those that are just now getting back from
BUW)

So in the light of the new information I feel compelled to ask the
ARSList

Does anyone think that BMC is changing to many things or moving to fast,
about how they are providing your support?

--
Carey Matthew Black
Remedy Skilled Professional (RSP)
ARS = Action Request System(Remedy)

Love, then teach
Solution = People + Process + Tools
Fast, Accurate, Cheap Pick two.


On 10/30/07, Hugo Visser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

snip

 On topic, I always assumed that BMC uses some form of ITSM for their 
 support, but they do not? What about the last big upgrade, when we all

 moved to the ISS numbers?

 Hugo

 On 10/30/07, Carey Matthew Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Actually...
 
  I think it is a simple enough observation to say
 
  If ITSM is a leading product for Service Management then why do 
  they not use it to manage their relationship with their own
customers?


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Re: Slow Incident Submit time with SLM

2007-10-30 Thread Howard Richter
William,



Are you also seeing a delay on the notification



Howard


On 10/30/07, William Rentfrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ** I'm testing some stuff and I'm experiencing very slow Incident submit
 times right now.

 I'm using SLM 7.03 and Incident 7.02.  I have two service targets defined
 for a particular Incident - and submit time has now gone to about 30 seconds
 for a single Incident.

 I'm working through the logs, etc - but is anyone else using SLM with IM?
 If so, what sort of save times are you getting when you create a new
 Incident that has Service Targets that attach?

 William Rentfrow, Principal Consultant
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 C 701-306-6157
 O 952-432-0227

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CedarCrestone Managed Services Center

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Re: Slow Incident Submit time with SLM

2007-10-30 Thread William Rentfrow
I'm not exactly sure how you mean that - I'm using the email engine and
I've got it set up to poll every 5 minutes - I get the notification
within the 5 minute cycle but I haven't checked to see how long it takes
to generate the notification for the request.
 
Or are you referring to milestone-related notifications?



From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
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Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 1:45 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Slow Incident Submit time with SLM


** 

William,

 

Are you also seeing a delay on the notification

 

Howard


 
On 10/30/07, William Rentfrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

** 
I'm testing some stuff and I'm experiencing very slow Incident
submit times right now.
 
I'm using SLM 7.03 and Incident 7.02.  I have two service
targets defined for a particular Incident - and submit time has now gone
to about 30 seconds for a single Incident. 
 
I'm working through the logs, etc - but is anyone else using SLM
with IM?  If so, what sort of save times are you getting when you
create a new Incident that has Service Targets that attach? 
 
William Rentfrow, Principal Consultant
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
C 701-306-6157
O 952-432-0227
 
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CedarCrestone Managed Services Center 

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Re: Slow Incident Submit time with SLM

2007-10-30 Thread Robert Halstead
William,

We also get a lagged response from Remedy when a ticket is saved.  We
haven't been able to track it down to a cause but have been blaming it
on the network.  Essentially, the user client shows the ticket number
created in the status bar right after the save button is clicked,
however, upon save we have it re-open the saved ticket and seems to
hang anywhere from 5-15 seconds before it the user tool goes through
its stuff to open a new window (UI changes and so forth).

I'm not sure if it's the user tool, the remedy server, or the network.
 Our situation is that the server is barely doing anything so it's
hard to trace the problem.

BTW, didn't mean to hijack your thread, sorry.

Server: Remedy 6.3 patch 21 on Solaris 5.9
Database: Oracle


On 10/30/07, Howard Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 **

 William,



 Are you also seeing a delay on the notification



 Howard



 On 10/30/07, William Rentfrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  **
 
  I'm testing some stuff and I'm experiencing very slow Incident submit
 times right now.
 
  I'm using SLM 7.03 and Incident 7.02.  I have two service targets defined
 for a particular Incident - and submit time has now gone to about 30 seconds
 for a single Incident.
 
  I'm working through the logs, etc - but is anyone else using SLM with IM?
 If so, what sort of save times are you getting when you create a new
 Incident that has Service Targets that attach?
 
  William Rentfrow, Principal Consultant
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  C 701-306-6157
  O 952-432-0227
   __20060125___This posting was
 submitted with HTML in it___



 --
 Howard Richter

 Remedy ServiceDesk Manager
 CedarCrestone Managed Services Center

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 with HTML in it___


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acts on only what he knows, but all that he knows.
The ignoramus may be saved, but the fool knows that he is doomed.

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ORA-01406 SQL error in Active Link

2007-10-30 Thread Dwayne Martin
Hello Everyone,

I am getting an error in an Active Link that says,

ARERR [552] Failure during SQL operation to the database : ORA-01406: fetched 
column value was truncated.

This happens during a Set Fields operation where it is reading a value from 
another form. The Set Field is very similar to a dozen others that work, and it 
was working till just now.

I ran an SQL log, and the SQL statement is

:SELECT T570.C1,C2,C561000203,C8 FROM T570 WHERE ((T570.C561000214 != 
'PIQ00120') AND (T570.C1 != 'ITRS0003037') AND (T570.C561000257 != 
'Cancelled')) ORDER BY 1 DESC

followed by the same error message.

But I can paste that very same SQL statement into TOAD, and it brings back a 
result set.

I tried the Support Knowledge base, but the one entry referred to retrieving an 
attachment and the other to flashboards.

Any idea what is going on?

(ARS 7.1, RH Linux server, Oracle 10.2 db)

Dwayne Martin
James Madison University 

Dwayne Martin
Computing Support
James Madison University

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Re: Slow Incident Submit time with SLM

2007-10-30 Thread Howard Richter
William,



I have seen on our system were you would create the incident, which creates
the service request and then does the auto assign, in less then 15 seconds.
However the assignment notification could take up to 15 minutes to hit the
email messages form (and then go out using the engine).



I have been trying to find a reason for this for months, and I was just
curious if you were seeing this with the slow incident submit.



Howard



On 10/30/07, Robert Halstead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 William,

 We also get a lagged response from Remedy when a ticket is saved.  We
 haven't been able to track it down to a cause but have been blaming it
 on the network.  Essentially, the user client shows the ticket number
 created in the status bar right after the save button is clicked,
 however, upon save we have it re-open the saved ticket and seems to
 hang anywhere from 5-15 seconds before it the user tool goes through
 its stuff to open a new window (UI changes and so forth).

 I'm not sure if it's the user tool, the remedy server, or the network.
 Our situation is that the server is barely doing anything so it's
 hard to trace the problem.

 BTW, didn't mean to hijack your thread, sorry.

 Server: Remedy 6.3 patch 21 on Solaris 5.9
 Database: Oracle


 On 10/30/07, Howard Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  **
 
  William,
 
 
 
  Are you also seeing a delay on the notification
 
 
 
  Howard
 
 
 
  On 10/30/07, William Rentfrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   **
  
   I'm testing some stuff and I'm experiencing very slow Incident submit
  times right now.
  
   I'm using SLM 7.03 and Incident 7.02.  I have two service targets
 defined
  for a particular Incident - and submit time has now gone to about 30
 seconds
  for a single Incident.
  
   I'm working through the logs, etc - but is anyone else using SLM with
 IM?
  If so, what sort of save times are you getting when you create a new
  Incident that has Service Targets that attach?
  
   William Rentfrow, Principal Consultant
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   C 701-306-6157
   O 952-432-0227
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  submitted with HTML in it___
 
 
 
  --
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  Remedy ServiceDesk Manager
  CedarCrestone Managed Services Center
 
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Re: ORA-01406 SQL error in Active Link

2007-10-30 Thread Grooms, Frederick W
Since it is a column value that is truncated, what is the size of the
data and the size of the fields you are putting them into?  Did someone
change the size of a field on either form?

C1,C2,C561000203,C8

Fred

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From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dwayne Martin
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 3:05 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: ORA-01406 SQL error in Active Link

Hello Everyone,

I am getting an error in an Active Link that says,

ARERR [552] Failure during SQL operation to the database : ORA-01406:
fetched column value was truncated.

This happens during a Set Fields operation where it is reading a value
from another form. The Set Field is very similar to a dozen others that
work, and it was working till just now.

I ran an SQL log, and the SQL statement is

:SELECT T570.C1,C2,C561000203,C8 FROM T570 WHERE ((T570.C561000214 !=
'PIQ00120') AND (T570.C1 != 'ITRS0003037') AND (T570.C561000257 !=
'Cancelled')) ORDER BY 1 DESC

followed by the same error message.

But I can paste that very same SQL statement into TOAD, and it brings
back a result set.

I tried the Support Knowledge base, but the one entry referred to
retrieving an attachment and the other to flashboards.

Any idea what is going on?

(ARS 7.1, RH Linux server, Oracle 10.2 db)

Dwayne Martin
James Madison University 

Dwayne Martin
Computing Support
James Madison University

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Re: Are Surveys generated for all Incidents in ITSM 7.0?

2007-10-30 Thread Kevin Shaffer

In the Incident Rules form, I think you would have to select Yes to Create 
Request on Submit for Surveys to be sent for an incident that originates from 
the Incident Management form


Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:15:23 -0600From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Are Surveys 
generated for all Incidents in ITSM 7.0?To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 






ITSM 7.0.01 P05 (Asset, Change, Incident, Problem and SLM)
ARS 7.0.01 P02
AIX 5.3
Oracle 10g
 
I have configured the surveys for Incident Management and I note that surveys 
are only being sent to the user when the request originates from the Requester 
Console.  
 
When an incident originates from the Incident Management form, there doesn’t 
appear to be a survey sent at either Resolution or at Closure.
 
Shouldn’t the resolution of an Incident that originated in the Incident 
Management form generate a survey for the user?  I hope I’m missing something 
obvious here.
 
Thanks in advance,
Gp
 
George Payne
Corporate Applications Developer
Electric Reliability Council of Texas
(512) 248-3940
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Estimated Resolution Time bug on Incident

2007-10-30 Thread E. Louise van Hine
I asked about a week ago whether anyone else had noticed that when 
Incidents are

created, the Estimated Resolution Time was getting set to Next Target Date
instead of the appropriate calculated value from the service level record.  I
reported this to BMC and was given the existing defect number: SW00275136, for
those who have not noticed this.  There is no estimated fix date for it. 



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Re: BMC Support Site Rant

2007-10-30 Thread Warren Baltimore
I think that the point of why support has suffered is missed when we blame
only the off-shoring of support.

The real problem is that they made a decision to do away with the support
staff (thus cutting payroll), and off shoring it.  If they had decided to do
away with the support staff and hire all new Yanks, we'd have the same
problems (albeit for us Yanks, it might be easier to understand them, course
then the rest of the world would have to deal with our tendancy to butcher
the Queens English!).  The problem we are dealing with is the simple fact
that they lost years of experience in this, and some poor disillusioned
executive thought it would be relatively cheap and easy to provide some
scripts and training to new people and voila!

No, bottom line, BMC screwed up and screwed us in the process.  Recently, I
did have the pleasure of speaking with someone in the support management
line.  He was VERY cognizant of the mistakes that they had made.  He had a
plan to try and fix it (training, training and more training), but he was
well aware that it was not going to be a quick solution. And since the
proverbial trigger had already been pulled, the original support staff is
gone  And they are NOT going to be coming back.

So, we're stuck with the current situation (I think).  The only 2 things
that I see as a course of action is to either take your support to a 3rd
party (many like the service they receive), or make sure you bring up
problems WITH BMC whenever they occur.  Unless they know about them, they
can't fix 'em

HA HA  That's the nicest BMC support email I've typed in a LONG time

Warren


On 10/30/07, David.M Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 My personal experience is that one word sums up how bad their support is
 at this point: Bhopal

  Carey Matthew Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/30/2007 1:24 PM 
 A bit of clarification on the topic... I was contacted by a BMC person
 off list to explain the situation.

 BMC is using an ARS application to support their external customers.
 (no surprise there, just look at the URL's on the support site)
 However it is the Customer Support application and not currently
 ITSM to deal with their customers. The project finalized last fall.
 They also mentioned that they currently use ITSM internally.

 And I love this quote... so I want to echo it too...

 So really, we are drinking our own champagne!


 The person went on to say that they are working on a move to ITSM for
 their external customers, but we don't want to do too many changes in
 too short a time.


 I do appreciate the clarification. However, my original analysis still
 stands... they are not (yet) using ITSM to support their customers.
 Apparently they are using it to support themselves, so maybe that
 counts to some extent. ( Let's give them credit for doing that. I am
 sure it was no small feet for some of the long time BMC people to make
 that adjustment. )


 ( I do realize that this is BUW week and I will be lucky to get a few
 field mice to actually read this post this week too. But... for those
 of us who did not get to go... or those that are just now getting back
 from BUW)

 So in the light of the new information I feel compelled to ask the
 ARSList

 Does anyone think that BMC is changing to many things or moving to
 fast, about how they are providing your support?

 --
 Carey Matthew Black
 Remedy Skilled Professional (RSP)
 ARS = Action Request System(Remedy)

 Love, then teach
 Solution = People + Process + Tools
 Fast, Accurate, Cheap Pick two.


 On 10/30/07, Hugo Visser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 snip

  On topic, I always assumed that BMC uses some form of ITSM for their
  support, but they do not? What about the last big upgrade, when we all
 moved
  to the ISS numbers?
 
  Hugo
 
  On 10/30/07, Carey Matthew Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Actually...
  
   I think it is a simple enough observation to say
  
   If ITSM is a leading product for Service Management then why do they
   not use it to manage their relationship with their own customers?


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UW Medicine IT Services
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University of Washington
Box 358220
1325 Fourth Ave, Suite 2000
Seattle, WA 98101

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Re: BMC Support Site Rant

2007-10-30 Thread Timothy Powell
I know many of those former support peopleI bet more would come back
than you might think.especially if they came back to something that was
more like the old Remedy.
 
The point being, that the old Remedy was successful, profitable and had
VERY happy customers. It had the most loyal following I have ever seen in
this business. So BMC, why mess with the proven track record?
 
HINT BMC EXECUTIVES: Let Remedy BE Remedy.let it get back to the way it
was and watch the profits and customer satisfaction increase.
 
Tim

  _  

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Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 6:51 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: BMC Support Site Rant


** 
I think that the point of why support has suffered is missed when we blame
only the off-shoring of support.
 
The real problem is that they made a decision to do away with the support
staff (thus cutting payroll), and off shoring it.  If they had decided to do
away with the support staff and hire all new Yanks, we'd have the same
problems (albeit for us Yanks, it might be easier to understand them, course
then the rest of the world would have to deal with our tendancy to butcher
the Queens English!).  The problem we are dealing with is the simple fact
that they lost years of experience in this, and some poor disillusioned
executive thought it would be relatively cheap and easy to provide some
scripts and training to new people and voila! 
 
No, bottom line, BMC screwed up and screwed us in the process.  Recently, I
did have the pleasure of speaking with someone in the support management
line.  He was VERY cognizant of the mistakes that they had made.  He had a
plan to try and fix it (training, training and more training), but he was
well aware that it was not going to be a quick solution. And since the
proverbial trigger had already been pulled, the original support staff is
gone  And they are NOT going to be coming back. 
 
So, we're stuck with the current situation (I think).  The only 2 things
that I see as a course of action is to either take your support to a 3rd
party (many like the service they receive), or make sure you bring up
problems WITH BMC whenever they occur.  Unless they know about them, they
can't fix 'em 
 
HA HA  That's the nicest BMC support email I've typed in a LONG time
 
Warren

 
On 10/30/07, David.M Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

My personal experience is that one word sums up how bad their support is at
this point: Bhopal

 Carey Matthew Black  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/30/2007 1:24 PM 
A bit of clarification on the topic... I was contacted by a BMC person
off list to explain the situation.

BMC is using an ARS application to support their external customers.
(no surprise there, just look at the URL's on the support site)
However it is the Customer Support application and not currently 
ITSM to deal with their customers. The project finalized last fall.
They also mentioned that they currently use ITSM internally.

And I love this quote... so I want to echo it too...

So really, we are drinking our own champagne! 


The person went on to say that they are working on a move to ITSM for
their external customers, but we don't want to do too many changes in
too short a time.


I do appreciate the clarification. However, my original analysis still 
stands... they are not (yet) using ITSM to support their customers.
Apparently they are using it to support themselves, so maybe that
counts to some extent. ( Let's give them credit for doing that. I am
sure it was no small feet for some of the long time BMC people to make 
that adjustment. )


( I do realize that this is BUW week and I will be lucky to get a few
field mice to actually read this post this week too. But... for those
of us who did not get to go... or those that are just now getting back 
from BUW)

So in the light of the new information I feel compelled to ask the
ARSList

Does anyone think that BMC is changing to many things or moving to
fast, about how they are providing your support? 

--
Carey Matthew Black
Remedy Skilled Professional (RSP)
ARS = Action Request System(Remedy)

Love, then teach
Solution = People + Process + Tools
Fast, Accurate, Cheap Pick two.


On 10/30/07, Hugo Visser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

snip

 On topic, I always assumed that BMC uses some form of ITSM for their
 support, but they do not? What about the last big upgrade, when we all
moved 
 to the ISS numbers?

 Hugo

 On 10/30/07, Carey Matthew Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Actually...
 
  I think it is a simple enough observation to say 
 
  If ITSM is a leading product for Service Management then why do they
  not use it to manage their relationship with their own customers?


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Re: BMC Support Site Rant

2007-10-30 Thread Sorrel Jakins
I had Remedy web down for four days because w3wp.exe was in a constant loop. 
Rebooting the server did not help.

Support originally told me my Java was too good - I had to downgrade from 1.5 
to 1.4.something. Still in a loop in a loop in a loop.

So using cunning born of years of practice, I searched ARSLIST (definitely not 
named by an Englishman) and found that others had the same problem and that the 
bypass fix was to delete the midtier and reinstall. Voila! the system talks. 
The list indicates that the problem will recur in two weeks when we'll 
reinstall the midtier.

BMC Support closed the ticket muttering something about servlets and it's all 
Window's fault.

Thanks to a great list.

Sorrel Jakins
Chief Engineer OIT BYU
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Work: 801-422-7128



From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Warren Baltimore
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 4:51 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: BMC Support Site Rant

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I think that the point of why support has suffered is missed when we blame only 
the off-shoring of support.

The real problem is that they made a decision to do away with the support staff 
(thus cutting payroll), and off shoring it.  If they had decided to do away 
with the support staff and hire all new Yanks, we'd have the same problems 
(albeit for us Yanks, it might be easier to understand them, course then the 
rest of the world would have to deal with our tendancy to butcher the Queens 
English!).  The problem we are dealing with is the simple fact that they lost 
years of experience in this, and some poor disillusioned executive thought it 
would be relatively cheap and easy to provide some scripts and training to new 
people and voila!

No, bottom line, BMC screwed up and screwed us in the process.  Recently, I did 
have the pleasure of speaking with someone in the support management line.  He 
was VERY cognizant of the mistakes that they had made.  He had a plan to try 
and fix it (training, training and more training), but he was well aware that 
it was not going to be a quick solution. And since the proverbial trigger had 
already been pulled, the original support staff is gone  And they are NOT 
going to be coming back.

So, we're stuck with the current situation (I think).  The only 2 things that I 
see as a course of action is to either take your support to a 3rd party (many 
like the service they receive), or make sure you bring up problems WITH BMC 
whenever they occur.  Unless they know about them, they can't fix 'em

HA HA  That's the nicest BMC support email I've typed in a LONG time

Warren


On 10/30/07, David.M Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My personal experience is that one word sums up how bad their support is at 
this point: Bhopal

 Carey Matthew Black  [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 10/30/2007 1:24 PM 
A bit of clarification on the topic... I was contacted by a BMC person
off list to explain the situation.

BMC is using an ARS application to support their external customers.
(no surprise there, just look at the URL's on the support site)
However it is the Customer Support application and not currently
ITSM to deal with their customers. The project finalized last fall.
They also mentioned that they currently use ITSM internally.

And I love this quote... so I want to echo it too...

So really, we are drinking our own champagne!


The person went on to say that they are working on a move to ITSM for
their external customers, but we don't want to do too many changes in
too short a time.


I do appreciate the clarification. However, my original analysis still
stands... they are not (yet) using ITSM to support their customers.
Apparently they are using it to support themselves, so maybe that
counts to some extent. ( Let's give them credit for doing that. I am
sure it was no small feet for some of the long time BMC people to make
that adjustment. )


( I do realize that this is BUW week and I will be lucky to get a few
field mice to actually read this post this week too. But... for those
of us who did not get to go... or those that are just now getting back
from BUW)

So in the light of the new information I feel compelled to ask the ARSList

Does anyone think that BMC is changing to many things or moving to
fast, about how they are providing your support?

--
Carey Matthew Black
Remedy Skilled Professional (RSP)
ARS = Action Request System(Remedy)

Love, then teach
Solution = People + Process + Tools
Fast, Accurate, Cheap Pick two.


On 10/30/07, Hugo Visser [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

snip

 On topic, I always assumed that BMC uses some form of ITSM for their
 support, but they do not? What about the last big upgrade, when we all moved
 to the ISS numbers?

 Hugo

 On 10/30/07, Carey Matthew Black [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL 
 PROTECTED] wrote:
  

ADM:BUW:ARSlist Pins

2007-10-30 Thread daniel . bloom
They are available at Kinetic Data and Aeroprise.

Thanks to both groups for helping us distribute them.

Cheers ... Daniel

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2007-10-30 Thread Burkholder, Anthony O
Stop teasing us. 

Anthony O. Burkholder
One of the many only there in spirit.


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Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 7:41 PM
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Subject: ADM:BUW:ARSlist Pins

They are available at Kinetic Data and Aeroprise.

Thanks to both groups for helping us distribute them.

Cheers ... Daniel


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