Re: Slow saving Active Links after ITSM app install

2008-01-31 Thread Pierson, Shawn
There are two things I do that seem to help quite a bit.



1)  Keep your dev server in Development Cache Mode and when you
make changes to production, set it to that mode temporarily until you
are finished with your changes.

2)  This is probably controversial and I don't like it either, but
if you leave Allow Unqualified Searches available, workflow saves will
run faster.  I have no idea why that option affects the Admin tool, and
BMC support doesn't believe that it speeds the Admin tool up, but it
does.  Of course, this is on 7.0.1p2 - p4 on Windows with SQL Server
2005 as a DB.  It may not work for everyone.



Shawn Pierson



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All,



After we installed ITSM 7.0 it is extremely slow displaying or saving
Active Links.  We have logged a ticket with Remedy and thier only answer
is this will be fixed when they upgrade the Admin tool.



Has anyone else experienced this? What is your workaround -if any?



Thanks,
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KPMG LLP

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Re: Slow saving Active Links after ITSM app install

2008-01-31 Thread strauss
I can confirm the dev cache mode - migrator 7.x slows to a CRAWL unless
_both_ servers are in dev cache mode.

Christopher Strauss, Ph.D.
Call Tracking Administration Manager
University of North Texas Computing  IT Center
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** 

There are two things I do that seem to help quite a bit.

 

1)  Keep your dev server in Development Cache Mode and
when you make changes to production, set it to that mode temporarily
until you are finished with your changes.

2)  This is probably controversial and I don't like it
either, but if you leave Allow Unqualified Searches available,
workflow saves will run faster.  I have no idea why that option affects
the Admin tool, and BMC support doesn't believe that it speeds the Admin
tool up, but it does.  Of course, this is on 7.0.1p2 - p4 on Windows
with SQL Server 2005 as a DB.  It may not work for everyone.

 

Shawn Pierson

 

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** 

All,

 

After we installed ITSM 7.0 it is extremely slow displaying or
saving Active Links.  We have logged a ticket with Remedy and thier only
answer is this will be fixed when they upgrade the Admin tool.  

 

Has anyone else experienced this? What is your workaround -if
any?

 

Thanks,
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KPMG LLP

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Re: Slow saving Active Links after ITSM app install

2008-01-30 Thread SUBSCRIBE arslist Melissa
Saving everything is VERY slow for us, not just active links.  It's like 
it takes the tool forever to respond after the save is complete.

Don't have an answer, but you aren't the only one.





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After we installed ITSM 7.0 it is extremely slow displaying or saving 
Active Links.  We have logged a ticket with Remedy and thier only answer 
is this will be fixed when they upgrade the Admin tool. 
 
Has anyone else experienced this? What is your workaround -if any?
 
Thanks,
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Re: Slow saving Active Links after ITSM app install

2008-01-30 Thread Rick Cook
I could be wrong, but as I understand the problem, the large (10k-30k)
number of Active Links in the various ITSM products exceeds the ability for
the Admin tool and the metatables to process those as quickly as it could
for the exponentially smaller sets for which the structures were designed.
I was actually wondering this morning why Active Links are slow to open in
Admin, but Filters and Menus are not.

Yet another reason we need to move off the Admin tool to the new Eclipse
one.

Rick

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 After we installed ITSM 7.0 it is extremely slow displaying or saving
 Active Links.  We have logged a ticket with Remedy and thier only answer is
 this will be fixed when they upgrade the Admin tool.

 Has anyone else experienced this? What is your workaround -if any?

 Thanks,
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Re: Slow saving Active Links after ITSM app install

2008-01-30 Thread Rune Sorlid
Hi.

ITSM is a large application, and everything will take longer time. When you
develope on a server that has ITSM installed, you must always set the server
in Development Cache Mode.

/Rune Sorlid




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 Saving everything is VERY slow for us, not just active links.  It's like
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Re: Slow saving Active Links after ITSM app install

2008-01-30 Thread patrick zandi
check the CMDB Performance Guide..
It discusses a couple of issues you might be experiencing .. Indexes seemed
to be a hot issue..
Recommendation was to put all those indexes on a seperate tablespace ...
Also EIE needs the right amount of Theads with 2 GIG of ram allocated -- 2
threads per CPU..

Just read the guide.. I hope that will help you some..  unless you already
did that..


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 After we installed ITSM 7.0 it is extremely slow displaying or saving
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Re: Slow saving Active Links after ITSM app install

2008-01-30 Thread William Rentfrow
By the way - if you are working on a development server you can always
put it in development cache mode.  This should help somewhat.
 
Make sure you read up on the pros/cons of doing this.



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** 
check the CMDB Performance Guide.. 
It discusses a couple of issues you might be experiencing .. Indexes
seemed to be a hot issue.. 
Recommendation was to put all those indexes on a seperate tablespace ...

Also EIE needs the right amount of Theads with 2 GIG of ram allocated --
2 threads per CPU.. 
 
Just read the guide.. I hope that will help you some..  unless you
already did that.. 

 
On 1/30/08, SUBSCRIBE arslist Melissa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


** 
Saving everything is VERY slow for us, not just active links.
It's like it takes the tool forever to respond after the save is
complete. 

Don't have an answer, but you aren't the only one. 





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After we installed ITSM 7.0 it is extremely slow displaying or
saving Active Links.  We have logged a ticket with Remedy and thier only
answer is this will be fixed when they upgrade the Admin tool.   
  
Has anyone else experienced this? What is your workaround -if
any? 
  
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Re: Slow saving Active Links after ITSM app install

2008-01-30 Thread Kifinti AR Developer
We also experienced this and after all normal research failed to turn
anything up we opened a BMC Support ticket.  No luck from that - the
response was basically that it was operating as designed.  We submitted an
enhancement request.

 

One very important observation that a colleague made was that the slow
response is enabled by having the Details view open in the Admin Tool.
Using View 'List' returns the response time back to acceptable from
unbearable.

 

-david

 

 

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By the way - if you are working on a development server you can always put
it in development cache mode.  This should help somewhat.

 

Make sure you read up on the pros/cons of doing this.

 

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** 

check the CMDB Performance Guide.. 

It discusses a couple of issues you might be experiencing .. Indexes seemed
to be a hot issue.. 

Recommendation was to put all those indexes on a seperate tablespace ... 

Also EIE needs the right amount of Theads with 2 GIG of ram allocated -- 2
threads per CPU.. 

 

Just read the guide.. I hope that will help you some..  unless you already
did that.. 

 

On 1/30/08, SUBSCRIBE arslist Melissa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

** 
Saving everything is VERY slow for us, not just active links.  It's like it
takes the tool forever to respond after the save is complete. 

Don't have an answer, but you aren't the only one. 






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After we installed ITSM 7.0 it is extremely slow displaying or saving Active
Links.  We have logged a ticket with Remedy and thier only answer is this
will be fixed when they upgrade the Admin tool.   
  
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Re: Slow saving Active Links after ITSM app install

2008-01-30 Thread Grooms, Frederick W
That makes sense.  
 
If you watch the Server SQL log when you select Active Links in the
Admin tool (when you have the Details displayed) it pulls data for the
active links by ID in groups of 200.  Filters, on the other hand, do the
pull of data in a single SQL statement.
 
Fred



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** 

We also experienced this and after all normal research failed to turn
anything up we opened a BMC Support ticket.  No luck from that - the
response was basically that it was operating as designed.  We submitted
an enhancement request.

 

One very important observation that a colleague made was that the slow
response is enabled by having the Details view open in the Admin Tool.
Using View 'List' returns the response time back to acceptable from
unbearable.

 

-david

 

 



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Subject: Re: Slow saving Active Links after ITSM app install

 

By the way - if you are working on a development server you can always
put it in development cache mode.  This should help somewhat.

 

Make sure you read up on the pros/cons of doing this.

 



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** 

check the CMDB Performance Guide.. 

It discusses a couple of issues you might be experiencing .. Indexes
seemed to be a hot issue.. 

Recommendation was to put all those indexes on a seperate tablespace ...


Also EIE needs the right amount of Theads with 2 GIG of ram allocated --
2 threads per CPU.. 

 

Just read the guide.. I hope that will help you some..  unless you
already did that.. 

 

On 1/30/08, SUBSCRIBE arslist Melissa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


** 
Saving everything is VERY slow for us, not just active links.  It's like
it takes the tool forever to respond after the save is complete. 

Don't have an answer, but you aren't the only one. 





 

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After we installed ITSM 7.0 it is extremely slow displaying or saving
Active Links.  We have logged a ticket with Remedy and thier only answer
is this will be fixed when they upgrade the Admin tool.   
  
Has anyone else experienced this? What is your workaround -if any? 
  
Thanks,
Melanie Marino 
KPMG LLP 
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Re: Slow saving Active Links after ITSM app install

2008-01-30 Thread Doug Blair
Hi!

Rick's right about the issue, but there is a workaround. The problem is not 
in saving the active link, but in refreshing the list of links afterwards.

I have found two modes of operation that make this performance acceptable 
(for me - your milage will vary).

The first is to set your View to be a List instead of Details. This is 
better by far. 

The second is to open and work on your active link, but before saving it 
set your server window to look at something which will not be refreshed 
when you save, such as filters or forms. Control-Tab is your friend in this 
mode.

It's pretty common for me to create one active link at the start of a 
modification or project, then make a few more usiing Save As on the File 
menu. After I have built all my links Then get the Details view. It takes a 
while, but you only need to endure the wait once.

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I could be wrong, but as I understand the problem, the large (10k-30k) 
number of Active Links in the various ITSM products exceeds the ability for 
the Admin tool and the metatables to process those as quickly as it could 
for the exponentially smaller sets for which the structures were designed.  
I was actually wondering this morning why Active Links are slow to open in 
Admin, but Filters and Menus are not.
 
Yet another reason we need to move off the Admin tool to the new Eclipse 
one.
 
Rick
 
On 1/30/08, Marino, Melanie A [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

**
All,
 
After we installed ITSM 7.0 it is extremely slow displaying or saving 
Active Links.  We have logged a ticket with Remedy and thier only answer is 
this will be fixed when they upgrade the Admin tool.  
 
Has anyone else experienced this? What is your workaround -if any?
 
Thanks,
Melanie Marino
KPMG LLP
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Re: Slow saving Active Links after ITSM app install

2008-01-30 Thread Axton
This is the root of the problem.  The admin tool downloads details for
all active links when veiwing details every time a refresh of the
active link list needs to be updated.  This equates to around 12mb of
data sent over the wire on our servers for each refresh.  It's slow
even on a fast network, and it ties up the single admin thread for
everyone during the time the data is transmitted.

I have a write up on the root cause of this issue at
http://bugs.arswiki.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58 with all the nitty gritty
details.

I just have to say that the admin tool has turned into a heap of junk
code.  It isn't and hasn't been maintained properly for a long time
now.  I hope BMC is making the right decision to scrap it and replace
it with the Eclipse based admin ui, and I hope there are some lessons
learned from this so far as code management and design practices.

In the mean time though, we are all stuck working with a piece of junk.

- memory leaks
- illegal memory operations that cause the admin app to crash
- performance nightmare
- form view details are no longer properly maintained when committing
changes back to arserver
- no major improvements in many versions

What will be interesting is how much memory my workstation will
require with an eclipse based ui; I'm really hoping that the 2gb I
have now in the machine is adequate in allowing me to work the way I
am accustomed to.  Guess we'll have to wait and see how well they
write it.

Axton Grams

On Jan 30, 2008 5:49 PM, Doug Blair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi!

 Rick's right about the issue, but there is a workaround. The problem is not
 in saving the active link, but in refreshing the list of links afterwards.

 I have found two modes of operation that make this performance acceptable
 (for me - your milage will vary).

 The first is to set your View to be a List instead of Details. This is
 better by far.

 The second is to open and work on your active link, but before saving it
 set your server window to look at something which will not be refreshed
 when you save, such as filters or forms. Control-Tab is your friend in this
 mode.

 It's pretty common for me to create one active link at the start of a
 modification or project, then make a few more usiing Save As on the File
 menu. After I have built all my links Then get the Details view. It takes a
 while, but you only need to endure the wait once.

 Doug

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 Doug Blair
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 On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:07:49 -0800 Rick Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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 I could be wrong, but as I understand the problem, the large (10k-30k)
 number of Active Links in the various ITSM products exceeds the ability for
 the Admin tool and the metatables to process those as quickly as it could
 for the exponentially smaller sets for which the structures were designed.
 I was actually wondering this morning why Active Links are slow to open in
 Admin, but Filters and Menus are not.
 
 Yet another reason we need to move off the Admin tool to the new Eclipse
 one.
 
 Rick
 
 On 1/30/08, Marino, Melanie A [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
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 All,
 
 After we installed ITSM 7.0 it is extremely slow displaying or saving
 Active Links.  We have logged a ticket with Remedy and thier only answer is
 this will be fixed when they upgrade the Admin tool.
 
 Has anyone else experienced this? What is your workaround -if any?
 
 Thanks,
 Melanie Marino
 KPMG LLP
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
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