[AsburyPark] Re: Why Don't We Learn From Past Mistakes?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien lightgrw@ wrote:
Werner,
Hey Gary worry about your shitty newspaper let the Asbury residends
{DOGMAN What ever that stupid name is who are the ~#1~ SCUMBAG IN ASBURY PARK
YOUR WRITING PROVES SHUT YOUR MOUTH GARY DONE MORE FOR ASBURY PARK THEY YOU
WILL EVER DO SO PROVE YOURSELF OR WE CAN DO WAT YOU WHAT DO AWHILE BACK WITH
ME ANY TIME ANY PLACE I AM READY!!How do we know you are a resident because
you say so make sure you pick after that dog of yours.You had a screw up up
Bringing hows that A/Hole MUST BEEN YOUR PARENTS I am ready!
and elected offiaciac of AP do their joib. If you want to amensd the
plan move here and run for offoce if not just shut up. You and other
people should shut up or shit and get off the pot move here or just
shut up.
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[AsburyPark] Re: Another
You all should just get used to the Idea, or band together now to stop it, that you all will be living in a Condo Complex no matter what these slime balls have promised you, you are going to have condos from the Casino to the Convention Center from the board walk to as far back into Asbury Park that Partners can Steel, next will be the private beaches and no parking so the can slowly strangle every one who isn't a yuppie out of town Ken From Hoboken
[AsburyPark] Re: Another
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good idea but you are 5 years too late. You all should just get used to the Idea, or band together now to stop it, that you all will be living in a Condo Complex no matter what these slime balls have promised you, you are going to have condos from the Casino to the Convention Center from the board walk to as far back into Asbury Park that Partners can Steel, next will be the private beaches and no parking so the can slowly strangle every one who isn't a yuppie out of town Ken From Hoboken Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Why Don't We Learn From Past Mistakes?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote:
--
SHUT UP FLAGBOY
- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien lightgrw@ wrote:
Werner,
Hey Gary worry about your shitty newspaper let the Asbury
residends {DOGMAN What ever that stupid name is who are the ~#1~
SCUMBAG IN ASBURY PARK YOUR WRITING PROVES SHUT YOUR MOUTH GARY DONE
MORE FOR ASBURY PARK THEY YOU WILL EVER DO SO PROVE YOURSELF OR WE
CAN DO WAT YOU WHAT DO AWHILE BACK WITH ME ANY TIME ANY PLACE I AM
READY!!How do we know you are a resident because you say so make sure
you pick after that dog of yours.You had a screw up up Bringing hows
that A/Hole MUST BEEN YOUR PARENTS I am ready!
and elected offiaciac of AP do their joib. If you want to amensd
the
plan move here and run for offoce if not just shut up. You and
other
people should shut up or shit and get off the pot move here or
just
shut up.
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Why Don't We Learn From Past Mistakes?
It's a shame that people like you are on the Council. You've got a great way of proving your argument. Really classy. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Why Don't We Learn From Past Mistakes?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldn't spend a day on council if I had to deal with phony people like you. It's a shame that people like you are on the Council. You've got a great way of proving your argument. Really classy. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Bait-and-Switch Betrayal and Strange, Strange Bedfellows
Last night I posted the following on the GLBT Asbury Yahoo group. I hope that the folks here think it is a subject worthy of discussion. Dear Group, Since I have previously promised to keep the group informed about Board of Education matters that affect us all, I have been wrestling with my conscience since last night's important meeting on just how to keep my pledge. I've concluded it is best to deliver the news, very disturbing news, at least in my opinion. You will recall that the board needed to fill the seats of Mrs. Sonnier and Susan Bisaha, both of whom resigned recently. The Sonnier position was filled by Ms. Marie Castro, a part-time professor of English at Lehman College, part of the CUNY system. Personally, I could not be happier about that; the children of Asbury Park will have a great friend and role model in Marie. It is the second position, the one left vacant by Susan Bisaha's resignation that we should find most disturbing for a number of reasons. The man chosen by the board has been the author, in my opinion, of some of the most vile rascist AND homophobic literature in our city. The greatest irony of it all is that this newly appointed school board member, Gregory Hopson, Sr., was the very person who had accused Susan of despicable, cruel, and most unprofessional acts, all reckless allegations which then had to be investigated at great expense to us and great distress to Susan. Upon thorough investigation by State offcials, those charges were, of course, found to be completely groundless. As his reward, he now gets to take the position of the woman he unjustly maligned. How this man came to be chosen may be the most disturbing part of last night's meeting, and I've alluded to it in the subject line above. If there is interest in this group for further details, I will supply them to the best of my ability, keeping in mind however that as a member of the school board I am bound by board policy, and I do not speak for the board. Suffice it to say for now that the person who nominated Mr. Hopson was the Board of Education Vice President Garrett Giberson, Jr. I do not think that I am being overly dramatic when I say that our city and our school board suffered a real setback last night, and the truly sad part is that the person most responsible for this degradation was the vice-president. We had an opportunity to fill the vacancy caused by the resignation of Susan Bisaha with another well-qualified and caring resident of our troubled city. That gentleman, and I do mean gentleman, was most eloquent in his responses during the Board's public interview. The fact that he was passed over in favor of one who has sought to divide the city with unrelentingly ugly and inflamatory rascist, homophobic statements is mind-numbing. Meanwhile, absolutely none of this helps raise one test score or educates one child. Score one for the bullies, the rascists, and the homophobes. Regrettably, this travesty was initiated and made possible by the board vice-president. I sincerely hope he will explain why he did what he did. Frank D'Alessandro 6th Ave. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bait-and-Switch Betrayal and Strange, Strange Bedfellows
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycheech [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whoelse voted for him? Doesn't it take 5 yes votes? Last night I posted the following on the GLBT Asbury Yahoo group. I hope that the folks here think it is a subject worthy of discussion. Dear Group, Since I have previously promised to keep the group informed about Board of Education matters that affect us all, I have been wrestling with my conscience since last night's important meeting on just how to keep my pledge. I've concluded it is best to deliver the news, very disturbing news, at least in my opinion. You will recall that the board needed to fill the seats of Mrs. Sonnier and Susan Bisaha, both of whom resigned recently. The Sonnier position was filled by Ms. Marie Castro, a part-time professor of English at Lehman College, part of the CUNY system. Personally, I could not be happier about that; the children of Asbury Park will have a great friend and role model in Marie. It is the second position, the one left vacant by Susan Bisaha's resignation that we should find most disturbing for a number of reasons. The man chosen by the board has been the author, in my opinion, of some of the most vile rascist AND homophobic literature in our city. The greatest irony of it all is that this newly appointed school board member, Gregory Hopson, Sr., was the very person who had accused Susan of despicable, cruel, and most unprofessional acts, all reckless allegations which then had to be investigated at great expense to us and great distress to Susan. Upon thorough investigation by State offcials, those charges were, of course, found to be completely groundless. As his reward, he now gets to take the position of the woman he unjustly maligned. How this man came to be chosen may be the most disturbing part of last night's meeting, and I've alluded to it in the subject line above. If there is interest in this group for further details, I will supply them to the best of my ability, keeping in mind however that as a member of the school board I am bound by board policy, and I do not speak for the board. Suffice it to say for now that the person who nominated Mr. Hopson was the Board of Education Vice President Garrett Giberson, Jr. I do not think that I am being overly dramatic when I say that our city and our school board suffered a real setback last night, and the truly sad part is that the person most responsible for this degradation was the vice-president. We had an opportunity to fill the vacancy caused by the resignation of Susan Bisaha with another well-qualified and caring resident of our troubled city. That gentleman, and I do mean gentleman, was most eloquent in his responses during the Board's public interview. The fact that he was passed over in favor of one who has sought to divide the city with unrelentingly ugly and inflamatory rascist, homophobic statements is mind-numbing. Meanwhile, absolutely none of this helps raise one test score or educates one child. Score one for the bullies, the rascists, and the homophobes. Regrettably, this travesty was initiated and made possible by the board vice-president. I sincerely hope he will explain why he did what he did. Frank D'Alessandro 6th Ave. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bait-and-Switch Betrayal and Strange, Strange Bedfellows
As much as I hate to say it, this is one more in a long series of examples why the state needs to come in and completely take over the AP school system. No matter how hard good people try to make this better (you being top of that list) the ridiculous drama and divisiveness continues. The only ones really losing, every single day, are the kids. I am now convinced we'll never fix this problem ourselves. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycheech [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last night I posted the following on the GLBT Asbury Yahoo group. I hope that the folks here think it is a subject worthy of discussion. Dear Group, Since I have previously promised to keep the group informed about Board of Education matters that affect us all, I have been wrestling with my conscience since last night's important meeting on just how to keep my pledge. I've concluded it is best to deliver the news, very disturbing news, at least in my opinion. You will recall that the board needed to fill the seats of Mrs. Sonnier and Susan Bisaha, both of whom resigned recently. The Sonnier position was filled by Ms. Marie Castro, a part-time professor of English at Lehman College, part of the CUNY system. Personally, I could not be happier about that; the children of Asbury Park will have a great friend and role model in Marie. It is the second position, the one left vacant by Susan Bisaha's resignation that we should find most disturbing for a number of reasons. The man chosen by the board has been the author, in my opinion, of some of the most vile rascist AND homophobic literature in our city. The greatest irony of it all is that this newly appointed school board member, Gregory Hopson, Sr., was the very person who had accused Susan of despicable, cruel, and most unprofessional acts, all reckless allegations which then had to be investigated at great expense to us and great distress to Susan. Upon thorough investigation by State offcials, those charges were, of course, found to be completely groundless. As his reward, he now gets to take the position of the woman he unjustly maligned. How this man came to be chosen may be the most disturbing part of last night's meeting, and I've alluded to it in the subject line above. If there is interest in this group for further details, I will supply them to the best of my ability, keeping in mind however that as a member of the school board I am bound by board policy, and I do not speak for the board. Suffice it to say for now that the person who nominated Mr. Hopson was the Board of Education Vice President Garrett Giberson, Jr. I do not think that I am being overly dramatic when I say that our city and our school board suffered a real setback last night, and the truly sad part is that the person most responsible for this degradation was the vice-president. We had an opportunity to fill the vacancy caused by the resignation of Susan Bisaha with another well-qualified and caring resident of our troubled city. That gentleman, and I do mean gentleman, was most eloquent in his responses during the Board's public interview. The fact that he was passed over in favor of one who has sought to divide the city with unrelentingly ugly and inflamatory rascist, homophobic statements is mind- numbing. Meanwhile, absolutely none of this helps raise one test score or educates one child. Score one for the bullies, the rascists, and the homophobes. Regrettably, this travesty was initiated and made possible by the board vice-president. I sincerely hope he will explain why he did what he did. Frank D'Alessandro 6th Ave. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bait-and-Switch Betrayal and Strange, Strange Bedfellows
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did the majority of the Board change because of these appoinments? If not who cares knock him out in April. It doesn't matter who made the motion. What matters is who voted for him and why. As much as I hate to say it, this is one more in a long series of examples why the state needs to come in and completely take over the AP school system. No matter how hard good people try to make this better (you being top of that list) the ridiculous drama and divisiveness continues. The only ones really losing, every single day, are the kids. I am now convinced we'll never fix this problem ourselves. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycheech asburycheech@ wrote: Last night I posted the following on the GLBT Asbury Yahoo group. I hope that the folks here think it is a subject worthy of discussion. Dear Group, Since I have previously promised to keep the group informed about Board of Education matters that affect us all, I have been wrestling with my conscience since last night's important meeting on just how to keep my pledge. I've concluded it is best to deliver the news, very disturbing news, at least in my opinion. You will recall that the board needed to fill the seats of Mrs. Sonnier and Susan Bisaha, both of whom resigned recently. The Sonnier position was filled by Ms. Marie Castro, a part-time professor of English at Lehman College, part of the CUNY system. Personally, I could not be happier about that; the children of Asbury Park will have a great friend and role model in Marie. It is the second position, the one left vacant by Susan Bisaha's resignation that we should find most disturbing for a number of reasons. The man chosen by the board has been the author, in my opinion, of some of the most vile rascist AND homophobic literature in our city. The greatest irony of it all is that this newly appointed school board member, Gregory Hopson, Sr., was the very person who had accused Susan of despicable, cruel, and most unprofessional acts, all reckless allegations which then had to be investigated at great expense to us and great distress to Susan. Upon thorough investigation by State offcials, those charges were, of course, found to be completely groundless. As his reward, he now gets to take the position of the woman he unjustly maligned. How this man came to be chosen may be the most disturbing part of last night's meeting, and I've alluded to it in the subject line above. If there is interest in this group for further details, I will supply them to the best of my ability, keeping in mind however that as a member of the school board I am bound by board policy, and I do not speak for the board. Suffice it to say for now that the person who nominated Mr. Hopson was the Board of Education Vice President Garrett Giberson, Jr. I do not think that I am being overly dramatic when I say that our city and our school board suffered a real setback last night, and the truly sad part is that the person most responsible for this degradation was the vice-president. We had an opportunity to fill the vacancy caused by the resignation of Susan Bisaha with another well-qualified and caring resident of our troubled city. That gentleman, and I do mean gentleman, was most eloquent in his responses during the Board's public interview. The fact that he was passed over in favor of one who has sought to divide the city with unrelentingly ugly and inflamatory rascist, homophobic statements is mind- numbing. Meanwhile, absolutely none of this helps raise one test score or educates one child. Score one for the bullies, the rascists, and the homophobes. Regrettably, this travesty was initiated and made possible by the board vice-president. I sincerely hope he will explain why he did what he did. Frank D'Alessandro 6th Ave. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bait-and-Switch Betrayal and Strange, Strange Bedfellows
I don't know this Hopson fellow. You label him racist and homophobic. Very serious charges. Can you lay out the facts that support those labels? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycheech [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last night I posted the following on the GLBT Asbury Yahoo group. I hope that the folks here think it is a subject worthy of discussion. Dear Group, Since I have previously promised to keep the group informed about Board of Education matters that affect us all, I have been wrestling with my conscience since last night's important meeting on just how to keep my pledge. I've concluded it is best to deliver the news, very disturbing news, at least in my opinion. You will recall that the board needed to fill the seats of Mrs. Sonnier and Susan Bisaha, both of whom resigned recently. The Sonnier position was filled by Ms. Marie Castro, a part-time professor of English at Lehman College, part of the CUNY system. Personally, I could not be happier about that; the children of Asbury Park will have a great friend and role model in Marie. It is the second position, the one left vacant by Susan Bisaha's resignation that we should find most disturbing for a number of reasons. The man chosen by the board has been the author, in my opinion, of some of the most vile rascist AND homophobic literature in our city. The greatest irony of it all is that this newly appointed school board member, Gregory Hopson, Sr., was the very person who had accused Susan of despicable, cruel, and most unprofessional acts, all reckless allegations which then had to be investigated at great expense to us and great distress to Susan. Upon thorough investigation by State offcials, those charges were, of course, found to be completely groundless. As his reward, he now gets to take the position of the woman he unjustly maligned. How this man came to be chosen may be the most disturbing part of last night's meeting, and I've alluded to it in the subject line above. If there is interest in this group for further details, I will supply them to the best of my ability, keeping in mind however that as a member of the school board I am bound by board policy, and I do not speak for the board. Suffice it to say for now that the person who nominated Mr. Hopson was the Board of Education Vice President Garrett Giberson, Jr. I do not think that I am being overly dramatic when I say that our city and our school board suffered a real setback last night, and the truly sad part is that the person most responsible for this degradation was the vice-president. We had an opportunity to fill the vacancy caused by the resignation of Susan Bisaha with another well-qualified and caring resident of our troubled city. That gentleman, and I do mean gentleman, was most eloquent in his responses during the Board's public interview. The fact that he was passed over in favor of one who has sought to divide the city with unrelentingly ugly and inflamatory rascist, homophobic statements is mind- numbing. Meanwhile, absolutely none of this helps raise one test score or educates one child. Score one for the bullies, the rascists, and the homophobes. Regrettably, this travesty was initiated and made possible by the board vice-president. I sincerely hope he will explain why he did what he did. Frank D'Alessandro 6th Ave. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bait-and-Switch Betrayal and Strange, Strange Bedfellows
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hear there are letters out there that the Tri Shitty News wouldn't even print. I don't know this Hopson fellow. You label him racist and homophobic. Very serious charges. Can you lay out the facts that support those labels? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycheech asburycheech@ wrote: Last night I posted the following on the GLBT Asbury Yahoo group. I hope that the folks here think it is a subject worthy of discussion. Dear Group, Since I have previously promised to keep the group informed about Board of Education matters that affect us all, I have been wrestling with my conscience since last night's important meeting on just how to keep my pledge. I've concluded it is best to deliver the news, very disturbing news, at least in my opinion. You will recall that the board needed to fill the seats of Mrs. Sonnier and Susan Bisaha, both of whom resigned recently. The Sonnier position was filled by Ms. Marie Castro, a part-time professor of English at Lehman College, part of the CUNY system. Personally, I could not be happier about that; the children of Asbury Park will have a great friend and role model in Marie. It is the second position, the one left vacant by Susan Bisaha's resignation that we should find most disturbing for a number of reasons. The man chosen by the board has been the author, in my opinion, of some of the most vile rascist AND homophobic literature in our city. The greatest irony of it all is that this newly appointed school board member, Gregory Hopson, Sr., was the very person who had accused Susan of despicable, cruel, and most unprofessional acts, all reckless allegations which then had to be investigated at great expense to us and great distress to Susan. Upon thorough investigation by State offcials, those charges were, of course, found to be completely groundless. As his reward, he now gets to take the position of the woman he unjustly maligned. How this man came to be chosen may be the most disturbing part of last night's meeting, and I've alluded to it in the subject line above. If there is interest in this group for further details, I will supply them to the best of my ability, keeping in mind however that as a member of the school board I am bound by board policy, and I do not speak for the board. Suffice it to say for now that the person who nominated Mr. Hopson was the Board of Education Vice President Garrett Giberson, Jr. I do not think that I am being overly dramatic when I say that our city and our school board suffered a real setback last night, and the truly sad part is that the person most responsible for this degradation was the vice-president. We had an opportunity to fill the vacancy caused by the resignation of Susan Bisaha with another well-qualified and caring resident of our troubled city. That gentleman, and I do mean gentleman, was most eloquent in his responses during the Board's public interview. The fact that he was passed over in favor of one who has sought to divide the city with unrelentingly ugly and inflamatory rascist, homophobic statements is mind- numbing. Meanwhile, absolutely none of this helps raise one test score or educates one child. Score one for the bullies, the rascists, and the homophobes. Regrettably, this travesty was initiated and made possible by the board vice-president. I sincerely hope he will explain why he did what he did. Frank D'Alessandro 6th Ave. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bait-and-Switch Betrayal and Strange, Strange Bedfellows
Now I now you're wrong. There's nothing triCity won't print :-) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: I hear there are letters out there that the Tri Shitty News wouldn't even print. I don't know this Hopson fellow. You label him racist and homophobic. Very serious charges. Can you lay out the facts that support those labels? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycheech asburycheech@ wrote: Last night I posted the following on the GLBT Asbury Yahoo group. I hope that the folks here think it is a subject worthy of discussion. Dear Group, Since I have previously promised to keep the group informed about Board of Education matters that affect us all, I have been wrestling with my conscience since last night's important meeting on just how to keep my pledge. I've concluded it is best to deliver the news, very disturbing news, at least in my opinion. You will recall that the board needed to fill the seats of Mrs. Sonnier and Susan Bisaha, both of whom resigned recently. The Sonnier position was filled by Ms. Marie Castro, a part-time professor of English at Lehman College, part of the CUNY system. Personally, I could not be happier about that; the children of Asbury Park will have a great friend and role model in Marie. It is the second position, the one left vacant by Susan Bisaha's resignation that we should find most disturbing for a number of reasons. The man chosen by the board has been the author, in my opinion, of some of the most vile rascist AND homophobic literature in our city. The greatest irony of it all is that this newly appointed school board member, Gregory Hopson, Sr., was the very person who had accused Susan of despicable, cruel, and most unprofessional acts, all reckless allegations which then had to be investigated at great expense to us and great distress to Susan. Upon thorough investigation by State offcials, those charges were, of course, found to be completely groundless. As his reward, he now gets to take the position of the woman he unjustly maligned. How this man came to be chosen may be the most disturbing part of last night's meeting, and I've alluded to it in the subject line above. If there is interest in this group for further details, I will supply them to the best of my ability, keeping in mind however that as a member of the school board I am bound by board policy, and I do not speak for the board. Suffice it to say for now that the person who nominated Mr. Hopson was the Board of Education Vice President Garrett Giberson, Jr. I do not think that I am being overly dramatic when I say that our city and our school board suffered a real setback last night, and the truly sad part is that the person most responsible for this degradation was the vice-president. We had an opportunity to fill the vacancy caused by the resignation of Susan Bisaha with another well-qualified and caring resident of our troubled city. That gentleman, and I do mean gentleman, was most eloquent in his responses during the Board's public interview. The fact that he was passed over in favor of one who has sought to divide the city with unrelentingly ugly and inflamatory rascist, homophobic statements is mind- numbing. Meanwhile, absolutely none of this helps raise one test score or educates one child. Score one for the bullies, the rascists, and the homophobes. Regrettably, this travesty was initiated and made possible by the board vice-president. I sincerely hope he will explain why he did what he did. Frank D'Alessandro 6th Ave. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Why Don't We Learn From Past Mistakes?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jim asburyjim@ wrote:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote:
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SHUT UP FLAGBOY
~DID YOU ASK YOUR MAMA TO RIGHT THAT DOGMAN?~
- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien lightgrw@ wrote:
Werner,
Hey Gary worry about your shitty newspaper let the Asbury
residends {DOGMAN What ever that stupid name is who are the ~#1~
SCUMBAG IN ASBURY PARK YOUR WRITING PROVES SHUT YOUR MOUTH GARY DONE
MORE FOR ASBURY PARK THEY YOU WILL EVER DO SO PROVE YOURSELF OR WE
CAN DO WAT YOU WHAT DO AWHILE BACK WITH ME ANY TIME ANY PLACE I AM
READY!!How do we know you are a resident because you say so make sure
you pick after that dog of yours.You had a screw up up Bringing hows
that A/Hole MUST BEEN YOUR PARENTS I am ready!
and elected offiaciac of AP do their joib. If you want to amensd
the
plan move here and run for offoce if not just shut up. You and
other
people should shut up or shit and get off the pot move here or
just
shut up.
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[AsburyPark] Re: Bait-and-Switch Betrayal and Strange, Strange Bedfellows
Are you saying that our vice president was baited and switched? Couldn't you warn him of this deceit? This racist and homophobe you have informed us about has no business on our board of education! For a small city, I have never, in all the places I've lived in, experienced such crisis continually with our board of education and schools! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycheech [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last night I posted the following on the GLBT Asbury Yahoo group. I hope that the folks here think it is a subject worthy of discussion. Dear Group, Since I have previously promised to keep the group informed about Board of Education matters that affect us all, I have been wrestling with my conscience since last night's important meeting on just how to keep my pledge. I've concluded it is best to deliver the news, very disturbing news, at least in my opinion. You will recall that the board needed to fill the seats of Mrs. Sonnier and Susan Bisaha, both of whom resigned recently. The Sonnier position was filled by Ms. Marie Castro, a part-time professor of English at Lehman College, part of the CUNY system. Personally, I could not be happier about that; the children of Asbury Park will have a great friend and role model in Marie. It is the second position, the one left vacant by Susan Bisaha's resignation that we should find most disturbing for a number of reasons. The man chosen by the board has been the author, in my opinion, of some of the most vile rascist AND homophobic literature in our city. The greatest irony of it all is that this newly appointed school board member, Gregory Hopson, Sr., was the very person who had accused Susan of despicable, cruel, and most unprofessional acts, all reckless allegations which then had to be investigated at great expense to us and great distress to Susan. Upon thorough investigation by State offcials, those charges were, of course, found to be completely groundless. As his reward, he now gets to take the position of the woman he unjustly maligned. How this man came to be chosen may be the most disturbing part of last night's meeting, and I've alluded to it in the subject line above. If there is interest in this group for further details, I will supply them to the best of my ability, keeping in mind however that as a member of the school board I am bound by board policy, and I do not speak for the board. Suffice it to say for now that the person who nominated Mr. Hopson was the Board of Education Vice President Garrett Giberson, Jr. I do not think that I am being overly dramatic when I say that our city and our school board suffered a real setback last night, and the truly sad part is that the person most responsible for this degradation was the vice-president. We had an opportunity to fill the vacancy caused by the resignation of Susan Bisaha with another well-qualified and caring resident of our troubled city. That gentleman, and I do mean gentleman, was most eloquent in his responses during the Board's public interview. The fact that he was passed over in favor of one who has sought to divide the city with unrelentingly ugly and inflamatory rascist, homophobic statements is mind-numbing. Meanwhile, absolutely none of this helps raise one test score or educates one child. Score one for the bullies, the rascists, and the homophobes. Regrettably, this travesty was initiated and made possible by the board vice-president. I sincerely hope he will explain why he did what he did. Frank D'Alessandro 6th Ave. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bait-and-Switch Betrayal and Strange, Strange Bedfellows
Hey Caberetjon, now you are calling this man racist and homophobic. Do you know him, or are you relying on Frank labeling him that? I hope Frank sets for the proof of his allegation here. Those labels are two of the worst things a person can be. I truly want to see the proof before I call someone that. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cabaretjon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you saying that our vice president was baited and switched? Couldn't you warn him of this deceit? This racist and homophobe you have informed us about has no business on our board of education! For a small city, I have never, in all the places I've lived in, experienced such crisis continually with our board of education and schools! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycheech asburycheech@ wrote: Last night I posted the following on the GLBT Asbury Yahoo group. I hope that the folks here think it is a subject worthy of discussion. Dear Group, Since I have previously promised to keep the group informed about Board of Education matters that affect us all, I have been wrestling with my conscience since last night's important meeting on just how to keep my pledge. I've concluded it is best to deliver the news, very disturbing news, at least in my opinion. You will recall that the board needed to fill the seats of Mrs. Sonnier and Susan Bisaha, both of whom resigned recently. The Sonnier position was filled by Ms. Marie Castro, a part-time professor of English at Lehman College, part of the CUNY system. Personally, I could not be happier about that; the children of Asbury Park will have a great friend and role model in Marie. It is the second position, the one left vacant by Susan Bisaha's resignation that we should find most disturbing for a number of reasons. The man chosen by the board has been the author, in my opinion, of some of the most vile rascist AND homophobic literature in our city. The greatest irony of it all is that this newly appointed school board member, Gregory Hopson, Sr., was the very person who had accused Susan of despicable, cruel, and most unprofessional acts, all reckless allegations which then had to be investigated at great expense to us and great distress to Susan. Upon thorough investigation by State offcials, those charges were, of course, found to be completely groundless. As his reward, he now gets to take the position of the woman he unjustly maligned. How this man came to be chosen may be the most disturbing part of last night's meeting, and I've alluded to it in the subject line above. If there is interest in this group for further details, I will supply them to the best of my ability, keeping in mind however that as a member of the school board I am bound by board policy, and I do not speak for the board. Suffice it to say for now that the person who nominated Mr. Hopson was the Board of Education Vice President Garrett Giberson, Jr. I do not think that I am being overly dramatic when I say that our city and our school board suffered a real setback last night, and the truly sad part is that the person most responsible for this degradation was the vice-president. We had an opportunity to fill the vacancy caused by the resignation of Susan Bisaha with another well-qualified and caring resident of our troubled city. That gentleman, and I do mean gentleman, was most eloquent in his responses during the Board's public interview. The fact that he was passed over in favor of one who has sought to divide the city with unrelentingly ugly and inflamatory rascist, homophobic statements is mind- numbing. Meanwhile, absolutely none of this helps raise one test score or educates one child. Score one for the bullies, the rascists, and the homophobes. Regrettably, this travesty was initiated and made possible by the board vice-president. I sincerely hope he will explain why he did what he did. Frank D'Alessandro 6th Ave. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bait-and-Switch Betrayal and Strange, Strange Bedfellows
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who else voted for this guy? What was the vote? Hey Caberetjon, now you are calling this man racist and homophobic. Do you know him, or are you relying on Frank labeling him that? I hope Frank sets for the proof of his allegation here. Those labels are two of the worst things a person can be. I truly want to see the proof before I call someone that. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cabaretjon cabaretjon@ wrote: Are you saying that our vice president was baited and switched? Couldn't you warn him of this deceit? This racist and homophobe you have informed us about has no business on our board of education! For a small city, I have never, in all the places I've lived in, experienced such crisis continually with our board of education and schools! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycheech asburycheech@ wrote: Last night I posted the following on the GLBT Asbury Yahoo group. I hope that the folks here think it is a subject worthy of discussion. Dear Group, Since I have previously promised to keep the group informed about Board of Education matters that affect us all, I have been wrestling with my conscience since last night's important meeting on just how to keep my pledge. I've concluded it is best to deliver the news, very disturbing news, at least in my opinion. You will recall that the board needed to fill the seats of Mrs. Sonnier and Susan Bisaha, both of whom resigned recently. The Sonnier position was filled by Ms. Marie Castro, a part-time professor of English at Lehman College, part of the CUNY system. Personally, I could not be happier about that; the children of Asbury Park will have a great friend and role model in Marie. It is the second position, the one left vacant by Susan Bisaha's resignation that we should find most disturbing for a number of reasons. The man chosen by the board has been the author, in my opinion, of some of the most vile rascist AND homophobic literature in our city. The greatest irony of it all is that this newly appointed school board member, Gregory Hopson, Sr., was the very person who had accused Susan of despicable, cruel, and most unprofessional acts, all reckless allegations which then had to be investigated at great expense to us and great distress to Susan. Upon thorough investigation by State offcials, those charges were, of course, found to be completely groundless. As his reward, he now gets to take the position of the woman he unjustly maligned. How this man came to be chosen may be the most disturbing part of last night's meeting, and I've alluded to it in the subject line above. If there is interest in this group for further details, I will supply them to the best of my ability, keeping in mind however that as a member of the school board I am bound by board policy, and I do not speak for the board. Suffice it to say for now that the person who nominated Mr. Hopson was the Board of Education Vice President Garrett Giberson, Jr. I do not think that I am being overly dramatic when I say that our city and our school board suffered a real setback last night, and the truly sad part is that the person most responsible for this degradation was the vice-president. We had an opportunity to fill the vacancy caused by the resignation of Susan Bisaha with another well-qualified and caring resident of our troubled city. That gentleman, and I do mean gentleman, was most eloquent in his responses during the Board's public interview. The fact that he was passed over in favor of one who has sought to divide the city with unrelentingly ugly and inflamatory rascist, homophobic statements is mind- numbing. Meanwhile, absolutely none of this helps raise one test score or educates one child. Score one for the bullies, the rascists, and the homophobes. Regrettably, this travesty was initiated and made possible by the board vice-president. I sincerely hope he will explain why he did what he did. Frank D'Alessandro 6th Ave. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] AP Press on the Wonder Bar
Hmmm? Why is the Press writing about this? It wasn't news Thrusday when TCN broke the story - Dan knew about this 2 weeks ago. This isn't a story! (Just ribbin you pal :-)) As to another debate on this board - Fasano is convinced Madison Marquette is here to stay (I picked that up in traderdube's post when he spoke about the new Asbury Park redeveloper). Here is the Press story. Note the comments after the article. One of them is quite possibly the craziest I've ever read. Enjoy. PRICE IS NOT DISCLOSED: Properties include Wonder Bar, Baronet Theatre Wonder Bar, theater to be sold Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 01/20/07 BY NANCY SHIELDS COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU Post Comment ASBURY PARK City developer Patrick Fasano said Friday he has reached an agreement to sell four buildings, including the popular Wonder Bar on Ocean Avenue, and the Baronet Theatre and Fast Lane on Fourth Avenue, to Asbury Partners, the beachfront redeveloper. Negotiations have been ongoing the past year on a price, and Fasano said a settlement has been reached. He would not disclose the sales price. The fourth property in the package is the F H Paints building at Grand and Monroe avenues. Fasano said he made a deal now because Asbury Partners has brought Madison Marquette, the national retail real estate specialist, in as a partner to redevelop the entertainment and retail sector on the waterfront. With Madison Marquette coming in and taking a lead role on the beachfront, I felt it was in my best interest to cooperate with them, Fasano said. Before they (Asbury Partners) had Madison Marquette, they had credibility issues. I've had three or four meetings with Madison Marquette, and I know for a fact they (Asbury Partners) have them, he said. Now Asbury Partners has a partner with legs, and I want to get on their team and work with them. Fasano said he expects to close on the deal shortly, and if Asbury Partners wants him to keep the Wonder Bar or Baronet Theater open, he will remain as a tenant. He suggested if the public wants the Wonder Bar to keep operating, that people should contact both Asbury Partners and Madison Marquette. Larry Fishman, chief operating officer of Asbury Partners, said Friday he could not comment. I have a confidentiality agreement until the deal is finalized, Fishman said. Gary Mottola, a managing director and head of investments at Madison Marquette, could not be reached for comment Friday. I hope they make a deal that's profitable to everybody, City Councilman John Loffredo commented. Patrick Schiavino, a partner with Fasano on the Wonder Bar property, said Friday he was disappointed that a deal has been reached. Debbie DeLisa, who owns the business with her partner, Lance Larson, and with Fasano and Schiavino, said she was told about the sale last Saturday. DeLisa and Larson began reviving the bar late in 2002 under a former owner. Fasano and Schiavino bought the property late in 2003. Their liquor license is not part of the deal with Asbury Partners, Schiavino said. Schiavino said he had not been part of Fasano's discussions with Madison Marquette. Schiavino plans to close the Wonder Bar March 17. He said he believes the sale will go through in the next 60 to 90 days. I have a very bad taste in my mouth right now, Schiavino said. Yes, I would like to see it stay open, absolutely. What good is it to have another vacant building down there? We did as much as we could do, not knowing what our future is. DeLisa said Friday many people are rallying on the Wonder Bar's behalf to keep it open. I guess it's up to Madison Marquette, DeLisa said. They're the ones who are going to be in charge. Pat and Pat (Fasano and Schiavino) said they're pretty solid businessmen, and they'll let us stay because they're not ready for the property. It will look better to have a viable business, not just an empty building. The city had delayed using its power of eminent domain to condemn the Baronet Theatre and Fast Lane since last summer. Asbury Partners had asked the city to begin the eminent domain process earlier last year, saying negotiations had broken down with Fasano. Fasano bought the Baronet and Fast Lane for $575,000 each on Dec. 22, 2005, from former owners Walter Burns and Maurice Roberson. Asbury Partners' opening offer to Fasano was $390,000 for the Fast Lane and $325,000 for the theater, according to city records. Post a Comment View All Comments - --- The guy made a deal for himself...plain and simple. If you don't like what he's doing, then you should have taken a loan out and bought the buildings yourself. Yes, the guy sold out and it probably appears that he cares about no one but himself but that's American capitalism. The governments (state and national) are all about profit and there's no compassion for anything else. It sounds
[AsburyPark] Re: Bait-and-Switch Betrayal and Strange, Strange Bedfellows
N, Justified, I am not calling this man a racist or homophobic, Frank D'Allessandro POSTED that this man IS a racist and a homophobic. Since Frank is one of the spokesmen for OUR community, I assume that he did his homework. (After all, Frank IS a retired teacher). He must have researched this before he would make such serious allegations; otherwise Frank should be considered a disgrace to our board of education! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Caberetjon, now you are calling this man racist and homophobic. Do you know him, or are you relying on Frank labeling him that? I hope Frank sets for the proof of his allegation here. Those labels are two of the worst things a person can be. I truly want to see the proof before I call someone that. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cabaretjon cabaretjon@ wrote: Are you saying that our vice president was baited and switched? Couldn't you warn him of this deceit? This racist and homophobe you have informed us about has no business on our board of education! For a small city, I have never, in all the places I've lived in, experienced such crisis continually with our board of education and schools! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycheech asburycheech@ wrote: Last night I posted the following on the GLBT Asbury Yahoo group. I hope that the folks here think it is a subject worthy of discussion. Dear Group, Since I have previously promised to keep the group informed about Board of Education matters that affect us all, I have been wrestling with my conscience since last night's important meeting on just how to keep my pledge. I've concluded it is best to deliver the news, very disturbing news, at least in my opinion. You will recall that the board needed to fill the seats of Mrs. Sonnier and Susan Bisaha, both of whom resigned recently. The Sonnier position was filled by Ms. Marie Castro, a part-time professor of English at Lehman College, part of the CUNY system. Personally, I could not be happier about that; the children of Asbury Park will have a great friend and role model in Marie. It is the second position, the one left vacant by Susan Bisaha's resignation that we should find most disturbing for a number of reasons. The man chosen by the board has been the author, in my opinion, of some of the most vile rascist AND homophobic literature in our city. The greatest irony of it all is that this newly appointed school board member, Gregory Hopson, Sr., was the very person who had accused Susan of despicable, cruel, and most unprofessional acts, all reckless allegations which then had to be investigated at great expense to us and great distress to Susan. Upon thorough investigation by State offcials, those charges were, of course, found to be completely groundless. As his reward, he now gets to take the position of the woman he unjustly maligned. How this man came to be chosen may be the most disturbing part of last night's meeting, and I've alluded to it in the subject line above. If there is interest in this group for further details, I will supply them to the best of my ability, keeping in mind however that as a member of the school board I am bound by board policy, and I do not speak for the board. Suffice it to say for now that the person who nominated Mr. Hopson was the Board of Education Vice President Garrett Giberson, Jr. I do not think that I am being overly dramatic when I say that our city and our school board suffered a real setback last night, and the truly sad part is that the person most responsible for this degradation was the vice-president. We had an opportunity to fill the vacancy caused by the resignation of Susan Bisaha with another well-qualified and caring resident of our troubled city. That gentleman, and I do mean gentleman, was most eloquent in his responses during the Board's public interview. The fact that he was passed over in favor of one who has sought to divide the city with unrelentingly ugly and inflamatory rascist, homophobic statements is mind- numbing. Meanwhile, absolutely none of this helps raise one test score or educates one child. Score one for the bullies, the rascists, and the homophobes. Regrettably, this travesty was initiated and made possible by the board vice-president. I sincerely hope he will explain why he did what he did. Frank D'Alessandro 6th Ave. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to:
[AsburyPark] Re: AP Press on the Wonder Bar
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn't seem like Pat S. is happy about this. If everyone else new about this 2 weeks ago why not Pat S. and Debbie. Sounds like Pat F. did a number on them. Why are they closing the doors on St Patricks Day. Is a lease forthcoming. It doesn't sound right. Hmmm? Why is the Press writing about this? It wasn't news Thrusday when TCN broke the story - Dan knew about this 2 weeks ago. This isn't a story! (Just ribbin you pal :-)) As to another debate on this board - Fasano is convinced Madison Marquette is here to stay (I picked that up in traderdube's post when he spoke about the new Asbury Park redeveloper). Here is the Press story. Note the comments after the article. One of them is quite possibly the craziest I've ever read. Enjoy. PRICE IS NOT DISCLOSED: Properties include Wonder Bar, Baronet Theatre Wonder Bar, theater to be sold Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 01/20/07 BY NANCY SHIELDS COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU Post Comment ASBURY PARK City developer Patrick Fasano said Friday he has reached an agreement to sell four buildings, including the popular Wonder Bar on Ocean Avenue, and the Baronet Theatre and Fast Lane on Fourth Avenue, to Asbury Partners, the beachfront redeveloper. Negotiations have been ongoing the past year on a price, and Fasano said a settlement has been reached. He would not disclose the sales price. The fourth property in the package is the F H Paints building at Grand and Monroe avenues. Fasano said he made a deal now because Asbury Partners has brought Madison Marquette, the national retail real estate specialist, in as a partner to redevelop the entertainment and retail sector on the waterfront. With Madison Marquette coming in and taking a lead role on the beachfront, I felt it was in my best interest to cooperate with them, Fasano said. Before they (Asbury Partners) had Madison Marquette, they had credibility issues. I've had three or four meetings with Madison Marquette, and I know for a fact they (Asbury Partners) have them, he said. Now Asbury Partners has a partner with legs, and I want to get on their team and work with them. Fasano said he expects to close on the deal shortly, and if Asbury Partners wants him to keep the Wonder Bar or Baronet Theater open, he will remain as a tenant. He suggested if the public wants the Wonder Bar to keep operating, that people should contact both Asbury Partners and Madison Marquette. Larry Fishman, chief operating officer of Asbury Partners, said Friday he could not comment. I have a confidentiality agreement until the deal is finalized, Fishman said. Gary Mottola, a managing director and head of investments at Madison Marquette, could not be reached for comment Friday. I hope they make a deal that's profitable to everybody, City Councilman John Loffredo commented. Patrick Schiavino, a partner with Fasano on the Wonder Bar property, said Friday he was disappointed that a deal has been reached. Debbie DeLisa, who owns the business with her partner, Lance Larson, and with Fasano and Schiavino, said she was told about the sale last Saturday. DeLisa and Larson began reviving the bar late in 2002 under a former owner. Fasano and Schiavino bought the property late in 2003. Their liquor license is not part of the deal with Asbury Partners, Schiavino said. Schiavino said he had not been part of Fasano's discussions with Madison Marquette. Schiavino plans to close the Wonder Bar March 17. He said he believes the sale will go through in the next 60 to 90 days. I have a very bad taste in my mouth right now, Schiavino said. Yes, I would like to see it stay open, absolutely. What good is it to have another vacant building down there? We did as much as we could do, not knowing what our future is. DeLisa said Friday many people are rallying on the Wonder Bar's behalf to keep it open. I guess it's up to Madison Marquette, DeLisa said. They're the ones who are going to be in charge. Pat and Pat (Fasano and Schiavino) said they're pretty solid businessmen, and they'll let us stay because they're not ready for the property. It will look better to have a viable business, not just an empty building. The city had delayed using its power of eminent domain to condemn the Baronet Theatre and Fast Lane since last summer. Asbury Partners had asked the city to begin the eminent domain process earlier last year, saying negotiations had broken down with Fasano. Fasano bought the Baronet and Fast Lane for $575,000 each on Dec. 22, 2005, from former owners Walter Burns and Maurice Roberson. Asbury Partners' opening offer to Fasano was $390,000 for the Fast Lane and $325,000 for the theater, according to city records. Post a Comment View All Comments
Re: [AsburyPark] AP Press on the Wonder Bar
Now Asbury Partners has a partner with legs, and I want to get on their team and work with them. - Pat Fasano Maybe Asbury Partners does know what they are doing. Fasano now seems to think so. Whats about you DAN? - Original Message From: justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 6:44:49 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] AP Press on the Wonder Bar Hmmm? Why is the Press writing about this? It wasn't news Thrusday when TCN broke the story - Dan knew about this 2 weeks ago. This isn't a story! (Just ribbin you pal :-)) As to another debate on this board - Fasano is convinced Madison Marquette is here to stay (I picked that up in traderdube's post when he spoke about the new Asbury Park redeveloper) . Here is the Press story. Note the comments after the article. One of them is quite possibly the craziest I've ever read. Enjoy. PRICE IS NOT DISCLOSED: Properties include Wonder Bar, Baronet Theatre Wonder Bar, theater to be sold Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 01/20/07 BY NANCY SHIELDS COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU Post Comment ASBURY PARK City developer Patrick Fasano said Friday he has reached an agreement to sell four buildings, including the popular Wonder Bar on Ocean Avenue, and the Baronet Theatre and Fast Lane on Fourth Avenue, to Asbury Partners, the beachfront redeveloper. Negotiations have been ongoing the past year on a price, and Fasano said a settlement has been reached. He would not disclose the sales price. The fourth property in the package is the F H Paints building at Grand and Monroe avenues. Fasano said he made a deal now because Asbury Partners has brought Madison Marquette, the national retail real estate specialist, in as a partner to redevelop the entertainment and retail sector on the waterfront. With Madison Marquette coming in and taking a lead role on the beachfront, I felt it was in my best interest to cooperate with them, Fasano said. Before they (Asbury Partners) had Madison Marquette, they had credibility issues. I've had three or four meetings with Madison Marquette, and I know for a fact they (Asbury Partners) have them, he said. Now Asbury Partners has a partner with legs, and I want to get on their team and work with them. Fasano said he expects to close on the deal shortly, and if Asbury Partners wants him to keep the Wonder Bar or Baronet Theater open, he will remain as a tenant. He suggested if the public wants the Wonder Bar to keep operating, that people should contact both Asbury Partners and Madison Marquette. Larry Fishman, chief operating officer of Asbury Partners, said Friday he could not comment. I have a confidentiality agreement until the deal is finalized, Fishman said. Gary Mottola, a managing director and head of investments at Madison Marquette, could not be reached for comment Friday. I hope they make a deal that's profitable to everybody, City Councilman John Loffredo commented. Patrick Schiavino, a partner with Fasano on the Wonder Bar property, said Friday he was disappointed that a deal has been reached. Debbie DeLisa, who owns the business with her partner, Lance Larson, and with Fasano and Schiavino, said she was told about the sale last Saturday. DeLisa and Larson began reviving the bar late in 2002 under a former owner. Fasano and Schiavino bought the property late in 2003. Their liquor license is not part of the deal with Asbury Partners, Schiavino said. Schiavino said he had not been part of Fasano's discussions with Madison Marquette. Schiavino plans to close the Wonder Bar March 17. He said he believes the sale will go through in the next 60 to 90 days. I have a very bad taste in my mouth right now, Schiavino said. Yes, I would like to see it stay open, absolutely. What good is it to have another vacant building down there? We did as much as we could do, not knowing what our future is. DeLisa said Friday many people are rallying on the Wonder Bar's behalf to keep it open. I guess it's up to Madison Marquette, DeLisa said. They're the ones who are going to be in charge. Pat and Pat (Fasano and Schiavino) said they're pretty solid businessmen, and they'll let us stay because they're not ready for the property. It will look better to have a viable business, not just an empty building. The city had delayed using its power of eminent domain to condemn the Baronet Theatre and Fast Lane since last summer. Asbury Partners had asked the city to begin the eminent domain process earlier last year, saying negotiations had broken down with Fasano. Fasano bought the Baronet and Fast Lane for $575,000 each on Dec. 22, 2005, from former owners Walter Burns and Maurice Roberson. Asbury Partners' opening offer to Fasano was $390,000 for the Fast Lane and $325,000 for the theater, according to city records. Post a Comment View All Comments - - - - - - --- The
[AsburyPark] Re: Bait-and-Switch Betrayal and Strange, Strange Bedfellows
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cabaretjon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: N, Justified, I am not calling this man a racist or homophobic, Frank D'Allessandro POSTED that this man IS a racist and a homophobic. Since Frank is one of the spokesmen for OUR community, I assume that he did his homework. (After all, Frank IS a retired teacher). He must have researched this before he would make such serious allegations; otherwise Frank should be considered a disgrace to our board of education! Maybe this is a distinction without a difference, but what I have stated is that the man's extensive rantings were both rascist and homophobic. Justified then made the logical short leap to state what I had only implied. His inference then gets repeated over and over as what was stated explicitly by Justified, but not by me. I believe in freedom of speech and that includes hate speech. I believe I've been around long enough to recognize hate speech when I read it or hear it, whether it's directed at people because of their race, ethnicity, or sexual orientation. It's just that that I do not believe that such protected speech should be rewarded with the high honor, and yes it is a high honor as well as a solemn responsibility, of being a member of the board of education. I also believe a person's word is his bond, and that accounts for my characterization in the subject line of bait and switch betrayal. Unfortunately, I cannot give an explanation more explicit than that. It is gratifying, however, that a dialogue, however heated can take place on this subject. Sunlight, even with its heat, is still the best disinfectant. Frank D'Alessandro Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: AP Press on the Wonder Bar
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As to another debate on this board - Fasano is convinced Madison Marquette is here to stay (I picked that up in traderdube's post when he spoke about the new Asbury Park redeveloper). Perhaps Pat knows what the council, partners and MM doesn't. Or maybe he is just handicapping. There is no contract as of yet. You didn't here anyone refute me at the Council meeting when I said that at the mic. I smell a dog and pony show in the air. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: AP Press on the Wonder Bar
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe Asbury Partners does know what they are doing. Fasano now seems to think so. Whats about you DAN? Pat's got more money than I do so he must be right. Or maybe he's just jockeying for position should MM sign on the dotted line. Partners' does not having an f..ing clue. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Deep Six
Discordant note on beachfront Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 01/20/07 Post Comment James C. Morrison, 25, survived a tour in Iraq. But he didn't survive a hard-core music club on Asbury Park's beachfront. City officials must take whatever steps are necessary to ensure the fate that befell Morrison, a Navy veteran from Bass River found dead outside Club Deep six days ago, is never repeated. On Thursday, club owner AP Ventures Holding announced Club Deep would be closing for the winter for renovations. The city and Asbury Partners, the city's beachfront redeveloper, must decide if it's in anyone's best interest for the hard-core music club to reopen at all on the boardwalk or anywhere in the redevelopment area. And the city must tighten the security protocols for its music venues. Morrison was struck twice in a brawl inside Club Deep before the patrons involved were ejected from the club, his family was told. Police responding to a call found Morrison unconscious outside the club, and he was pronounced dead at a hospital soon afterward. Although hard-core music fans say their music doesn't draw violent crowds, evidence suggests it can attract a violent element. Close monitoring of venues like Club Deep by city officials is not only appropriate, but imperative. The fact Club Deep has a relationship with Asbury Partners shouldn't cloud the city's judgment if it reopens, even if solutions such as requiring off-duty police security might affect Asbury Partners' bottom line. A more famous Jim Morrison, of the Doors, who also died tragically too young, is quoted as having said, Violence isn't always evil. What's evil is the infatuation with violence. Asbury Park and music have a long, rich history. Music will continue to play an important role in the city's beachfront redevelopment. City officials and the beachfront's redevelopers must make certain the music venues present and future do nothing to undermine Asbury Park's efforts to restore its lost luster. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bait-and-Switch Betrayal and Strange, Strange Bedfellows
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As much as I hate to say it, this is one more in a long series of examples why the state needs to come in and completely take over the AP school system. No matter how hard good people try to make this better (you being top of that list) the ridiculous drama and divisiveness continues. The only ones really losing, every single day, are the kids. I am now convinced we'll never fix this problem ourselves. Thanks for what you have said and the very kind words. There are days when I think this is a really bad soap opera with no redeeming social value, and one in which the kids are afterthoughts, at best. And I had hoped that State intervention would be something more valuable than yet another layer of bureacracy. And yet, with many good people willing to fight to keep this district from backsliding into one big hotbed of cronyism once again, there are, more often than people realize, signs of quiet progress. I sincerely believe that our greatest strength as a district is at the elementary level. There is more stability there, and we need to build on that. I also see many students at the secondary level who are very appreciative when they are given a helping hand and are not treated dismissively. I see teachers who stay long after the last period ends assisting students. I don't think we can afford to throw up our hands and walk away. The people in this town need to demand of their elected officials, whether the council or the schoolboard: Just what is your agenda? And if your main concern is furthering your own status in life, diverting public funds, or persecuting good employees to make room for your friends, then step aside before you do any more damage than you have done already. There's real important work that needs to be done, and it has absolutely nothing to do with your personal agenda. Frank D'Alessandro Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] NYT
January 21, 2007 In the Region | New Jersey The Town That Would Be Hot By ANTOINETTE MARTIN KEANSBURG IT'S January, and not a bit too soon to think about property on the Jersey Shore. For those seeking beachfront bargains, after all, opportunity can be fleeting. In Long Branch two years ago, prices seemed to rise almost instantly amid a wave of redevelopment. Asbury Park is still a work in progress, but housing prices haven't waited for the makeover of a derelict boardwalk neighborhood to be completed. Typical condominiums in the redevelopment area there are already priced well over $500,000; the choicest units go for $1 million and up. Even with an overall housing market gone soft, prices in waterfront communities where prices have risen sharply are unlikely to sink back down, according to real estate agents who specialize in such properties. The trick, of course, is to find the spot where prices will rise next. Now comes a bid from the little borough of Keansburg to be seen as that about-to-be-discovered place. Keansburg, home to 11,000 year-round residents, a small amusement park and a boardwalk beach on Raritan Bay, has tumbled into a fairly sorry state, even its partisans acknowledge. It was established as a shoreline getaway even before the Garden State Parkway was built in 1957, and some Jerseyans, and even New Yorkers, still visit Keansburg and nearby Sandy Hook out of longstanding tradition. But with its beachfront area now populated mainly by fish-fry places, arcades, billiard parlors and a group of run-down apartment buildings, the median house value in Keansburg was put below $100,000 in the most recent census. The median household income was $36,383 in 2000 and probably has not risen substantially since then, according to local officials. A large majority of the housing stock primarily small wood-frame homes is more than 50 years old. Several years ago, borough officials took stock and decided all that had to change, according to Terence Wall, who was appointed borough manager in 2005. The borough has embarked on a campaign to bulldoze blight, said Mr. Wall, who is beginning a speaking tour at area Chambers of Commerce to publicize Keansburg's intention to metamorphose and attract new businesses. We are a borough pulling itself up by its bootstraps, Mr. Wall added, with gusto. If Horatio Alger was the name of a town, it would be Keansburg. Mr. Wall suggested that Keansburg offers a place near New York City, with bus, train and ferry service nearby, a major revitalization program under way, and the ability to buy beside the water for those who may have been priced out elsewhere. He said he had already started to get calls from large developers expressing interest in the idea of a Long Branch/Asbury Park-style total makeover. But he also said borough officials were determined not to use the eminent domain power to condemn and clear a large swath of land along the shore for redevelopment. We are committed to the scalpel approach, Mr. Wall explained, in which we carve out specific parcels for redevelopment, but pursue overall revitalization by including the existing property owners, and providing them the opportunity to propose their own ideas for rehab and upgrade. This is true for both commercial and residential property, according to the manager. So far, several very small condominium buildings have been built along the beachfront road; a block of storefront space is being rehabbed; and groundbreaking is planned within the next several weeks for a 48-unit condo project. A sales trailer is already set up on the beach for the project, to be called Harbor Lights on the Bayshore, a three-building complex to be built by the Kalian Companies of Red Bank. The project is designed to introduce a new elegance to Keansburg, according to Alton Evans, Kalian's vice president for sales and marketing, with sophisticated architecture and an array of upscale amenities, including an outdoor pool with cabana. Prices for 1,773-square-foot two-bedroom units at Harbor Lights will start in the low to mid-$400,000s. Twelve penthouses, occupying the fourth floors of the buildings, and offering 1,940 square feet with an upper loft and roof terrace, are priced in the high $500,000s. All units above the first floor will have views of Raritan Bay across to Staten Island and the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge, Mr. Evans noted. Promotional material for the project notes the attractions of nearby shore towns like Red Bank and Holmdel: chic clubs, shopping, seafood and specialty restaurants, live music at Count Basie Theater in Red Bank, well-known entertainers at the PNC Arts Center in Holmdel. It also proclaims nearby ferry service to Manhattan, which is only 20 miles away; quick access to the Garden State Parkway; and train, light rail and bus service. The borough is also formulating plans for a new marina, which would give residents the
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: AP Press on the Wonder Bar
If Partners did get MM to sign and still held ownership of sometype to the retail, that does not sound like an organazation that is clueless. They get an experienced company to do the work, pay for the improvements and Partners collects some profits? Sounds like a good plan for them and us as residents. You should let Fasano know that your sourses say MM is out and banks are pulling out etc. - Original Message From: dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 9:09:15 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: AP Press on the Wonder Bar --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ ... wrote: Maybe Asbury Partners does know what they are doing. Fasano now seems to think so. Whats about you DAN? Pat's got more money than I do so he must be right. Or maybe he's just jockeying for position should MM sign on the dotted line. Partners' does not having an f..ing clue. Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html
[AsburyPark] Taped Council Meetings
Tom, I saw on your sight you are a supporter of the efforts to tape board of ed meetings, hopefully to post them online. I agree, and wonder what the argument would be against doing this for Council meetings as well. Why isn't this being done already. I'd have to wonder about any members of the city council who were afraid to have the meetings available for all to see. Is there any good (or even reasonable) reason for not doing this? If not, why can't this be started asap. I travel and can't make the meetings, but would absolutely watch. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
