[AsburyPark] Re: What $2.5M buys
You are just not correct in your assumptions, Perhaps you did not attend the hearings or follow the history of these topics. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 16 and 12 stories. However, it will be much taller then originally permitted because todays 'story' is taller then the 'story' of the 1980s. That is only true in commercial high rise towers. Residential and hotel towers are typically 10-11 feet from floor surface to floor surface, not really a change from what was built in the past. Thats why you see alot of old office buildings in New York converted into luxury apartments and lofts. Residential spaces require getting alot of units into one building which means lower ceiling heights, so in a 200 foot building there can be 18 floors instead of 14 or 15. In addition it takes up a larger footprint (lot coverage) then originally envisioned. No green space around the building, no more Park in the new Asbury Park. This building is a smaller footprint from the original plan in the 80s. It takes up the typical oceanfront city block. The old C-8 structure took up 75% of Ocean Ave, and half of each street to the north and south. In a way I always look at it never getting built as a blessing in disguise because of how much access it would have taken away from the beachfront roads. Now there will be the green spaces to the north and south with the opened up avenues that wouldnt have been there had C-8 been built as planned. 224 units permitted, could end up with less. Not likely. The building was designed with 224 units and it is being built and sold that way. Anyway, Metro Homes is a powerhouse with loads of money, they are going to finish this building (and I would bet it will be done on time due to the high end clientelle they are selling to... dont want to upset the good customers). In Jersey City, Metro Homes is building those twin Trump Plaza towers. They build the first one and when it sells out, they start building the second one. Unlike that, the Esperanza is being built and sold in one shot. When they sell out that building, they'll develop the Wonder Bar block to the north or the Albion block to the south. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Fashionably Late ?
A ...continuous luxurious vacation. Unlike the continuous nightmare that long time residence have had to put up with since the early 80s. Isn't the declaration of redevelopment at that time and the resulting mess enough evidence that Eminent Domain and Redevelopment are not the answer to urban decay? Its been over 20 years. Note the date of this article and the predicted occupancy date. Werner 04/19/06 - The Esperanza of Asbury Park The Esperanza of Asbury Park 1105 Ocean Ave Asbury Park, NJ Currently under construction, the new residences of the Esperanza will be ready for occupancy by late 2007. The homes range in size from unique studios to 1-4 bedrooms. You can enjoy a stroll on the beach or take advantage of world class amenities that the building has to offer such as the beach volleyball court, heated pool, European style spa, state of the art fitness center, childrens arcade and more. Living in one of the residences in the building inspired by the history, fun and excitement of ocean side life will be like a continuous luxurious vacation. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: What $2.5M buys
It is impossible for the footprint to be bigger. the c8 building took up half of ocean ave, the esperanza does not. it is going to be a beautiful addition to asbury park. i feel asbury park starting to breathe again. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are just not correct in your assumptions, Perhaps you did not attend the hearings or follow the history of these topics. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@ wrote: 16 and 12 stories. However, it will be much taller then originally permitted because todays 'story' is taller then the 'story' of the 1980s. That is only true in commercial high rise towers. Residential and hotel towers are typically 10-11 feet from floor surface to floor surface, not really a change from what was built in the past. Thats why you see alot of old office buildings in New York converted into luxury apartments and lofts. Residential spaces require getting alot of units into one building which means lower ceiling heights, so in a 200 foot building there can be 18 floors instead of 14 or 15. In addition it takes up a larger footprint (lot coverage) then originally envisioned. No green space around the building, no more Park in the new Asbury Park. This building is a smaller footprint from the original plan in the 80s. It takes up the typical oceanfront city block. The old C- 8 structure took up 75% of Ocean Ave, and half of each street to the north and south. In a way I always look at it never getting built as a blessing in disguise because of how much access it would have taken away from the beachfront roads. Now there will be the green spaces to the north and south with the opened up avenues that wouldnt have been there had C-8 been built as planned. 224 units permitted, could end up with less. Not likely. The building was designed with 224 units and it is being built and sold that way. Anyway, Metro Homes is a powerhouse with loads of money, they are going to finish this building (and I would bet it will be done on time due to the high end clientelle they are selling to... dont want to upset the good customers). In Jersey City, Metro Homes is building those twin Trump Plaza towers. They build the first one and when it sells out, they start building the second one. Unlike that, the Esperanza is being built and sold in one shot. When they sell out that building, they'll develop the Wonder Bar block to the north or the Albion block to the south. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Fashionably Late ?
you cant even compare this redevelopment to the last failed one of the eighties. people are actually moving in to these new homes. the boardwalk is once again thriving in the summer, work is being done on convention hall, paramount theater, and the casino. there is also all new infrastructure, new roads, and new lighting. i have been a resident of asbury park for close to fifty years (all my life)and this is the first time in over thirty years that it feels that we are finally moving in the right direction. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A ...continuous luxurious vacation. Unlike the continuous nightmare that long time residence have had to put up with since the early 80s. Isn't the declaration of redevelopment at that time and the resulting mess enough evidence that Eminent Domain and Redevelopment are not the answer to urban decay? Its been over 20 years. Note the date of this article and the predicted occupancy date. Werner 04/19/06 - The Esperanza of Asbury Park The Esperanza of Asbury Park 1105 Ocean Ave Asbury Park, NJ Currently under construction, the new residences of the Esperanza will be ready for occupancy by late 2007. The homes range in size from unique studios to 1-4 bedrooms. You can enjoy a stroll on the beach or take advantage of world class amenities that the building has to offer such as the beach volleyball court, heated pool, European style spa, state of the art fitness center, childrens arcade and more. Living in one of the residences in the building inspired by the history, fun and excitement of ocean side life will be like a continuous luxurious vacation. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Fashionably Late ?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rawdogalways [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you cant even compare this redevelopment to the last failed one of the eighties. people are actually moving in to these new homes. the boardwalk is once again thriving in the summer, work is being done on convention hall, paramount theater, and the casino. there is also all new infrastructure, new roads, and new lighting. i have been a resident of asbury park for close to fifty years (all my life)and this is the first time in over thirty years that it feels that we are finally moving in the right direction. == You clearly missed the point. That being - that Asbury Park would be in MUCH better condition if Redevelopment and Eminent Domain had not been declared at all. I was pointing out the fallacy of Redev ED being the cure for social and management problems in general. It actually caused more problems then is solves in many cases. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: What $2.5M buys
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rawdogalways [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is impossible for the footprint to be bigger. the c8 building took up half of ocean ave, the esperanza does not. it is going to be a beautiful addition to asbury park. i feel asbury park starting to breathe again. == I wrote (Lot Coverage).. The Lot Coverage footprint is larger due to there not being any setbacks from the property lines. It is 100% lot coverage. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Radio Poor
Radio should go left, right and up, but the loss of voices takes it down November 12, 2007 He is rich, famous and aging very nicely. But while Bruce Springsteen may look like a man who has everything, his single “Radio Nowhere” suggests that at least one area of his life could use some work. I want a thousand guitars, he sings. I want pounding drums/I want a million different voices speaking in tongues. Bruce may be cash rich, but he is radio poor. And if your Radio Somewhere happens to be San Diego [or Asbury Park], your assets aren't what they used to be, either. After months of doomsday buzz from the industry and some heartfelt protests from supporters, progressive talk-radio outlet KLSD/AM 1360 is going dark. Complete story: _SignOnSanDiego.com News Features -- Radio should go left, right and up, but the loss of voices takes it down_ (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/features/20071112--1c12tv.html) ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Bad, Bad, Bad Behavior Reported -- Not in Asbury Park, but in our 'Burbs...
Memorial vandalized for third time in year 11/13/07 HOWELL — For the third time in a year, vandals have defaced the Sept. 11, 2001, memorial at Newtons Corner Road and Memorial Drive, formerly Jacob Drive. It really sickens me, Councilman Michael Howell said. I just don't understand the mind set of kids that would do something like this. Howell said he believes the repeated vandalism is the work of neighborhood juveniles. You'd like to think it wouldn't be an adult, he said On Jan. 5, Milanowycz and her husband reported the first case of vandalism, which involved the theft of solar lights. Over the summer, the couple say vandals again stole and destroyed lights at the memorial, but this time vandals stole American flags that marked the stones affixed with names of the Howell residents who died that day. The Milanowyczs spent Saturday refurbishing the memorial and say they have spent close to $1,000 repairing the damage left by vandals over the past year Howell said he will discuss the latest attack with other members of the council to see what can be done to stop the memorial's defacement. Police officials say they have increased patrols in the neighborhood and that a 10 p.m. curfew remains in place. Full story: _APP.COM - Memorial vandalized for third time in year | Asbury Park Press Online_ (http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071113/NEWS01/711130347/1004/) ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Re: Bad, Bad, Bad Behavior Reported -- Not in Asbury Park, but in our 'Burbs...
Why does he assume it's kids? You have some really sick adults, out there? Just an observation. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Memorial vandalized for third time in year 11/13/07 HOWELL â For the third time in a year, vandals have defaced the Sept. 11, 2001, memorial at Newtons Corner Road and Memorial Drive, formerly Jacob Drive. It really sickens me, Councilman Michael Howell said. I just don't understand the mind set of kids that would do something like this. Howell said he believes the repeated vandalism is the work of neighborhood juveniles. You'd like to think it wouldn't be an adult, he said On Jan. 5, Milanowycz and her husband reported the first case of vandalism, which involved the theft of solar lights. Over the summer, the couple say vandals again stole and destroyed lights at the memorial, but this time vandals stole American flags that marked the stones affixed with names of the Howell residents who died that day. The Milanowyczs spent Saturday refurbishing the memorial and say they have spent close to $1,000 repairing the damage left by vandals over the past year Howell said he will discuss the latest attack with other members of the council to see what can be done to stop the memorial's defacement. Police officials say they have increased patrols in the neighborhood and that a 10 p.m. curfew remains in place. Full story: _APP.COM - Memorial vandalized for third time in year | Asbury Park Press Online_ (http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071113/NEWS01/711130347/1004/) ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: What $2.5M buys
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wrote (Lot Coverage).. The Lot Coverage footprint is larger due to there not being any setbacks from the property lines. It is 100% lot coverage. Who was expecting portions of the lots to be used for open space in the redevelopment plan? Every project that is going up in the city uses every bit of its lot. 100% lot coverage is what needs to be used, otherwise its wasted space. The more units, more people, create opportunities for more businesses, more tourists. Think of a downtown shopping area (Cookman Ave) as compared to a strip mall which is set back from the road. The wide avenues with their green space in between make for plenty of open space connecting the town to the beachfront. The building is going to be taller than what had previously been there because C-8 had 4 stories to go before reaching its full height. In terms of overall height, if C-8 was finished it would have been basically the same thing we are looking at now with a much larger footprint taking up a large amount of public space. A few extra feet in terms of overall height is not going to make much of a difference to the naked eye. Its impossible to tell 200 ft from 210 feet. What matters is this is going to be a great addition, a grand building that people will look at and say wow to. Once people see this completed, the doubters of Asbury Park will have something to change their minds. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Lots of work going on at Convention Hall
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arhythmick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hear they now want to delay the 2nd floor of HoJo's in favor of fixing up the other pavillions first...I guess we will see I thought that was just in reference to the bandshell, idk Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bad, Bad, Bad Behavior Reported -- Not in Asbury Park, b...
In a message dated 11/13/2007 8:23:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why does he assume it's kids? You have some really sick adults, out there? Geez -- if adults did that, Howell's in even worse shape. If kids did it, 3 times, then it's mainly bad parenting. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Re: What $2.5M buys
-you need to use 100% lot coverage to obtain 100% usability or for that matter, 200%. OPEN SPACE at street level - open airways, use of glass and natural stone and levels. NYC mandated it (right dan) at least 20 years ago as street level. Open those architecture books at reread Frank Llyod Wright or I.M. Pei. If my dad had only stopped saying you want to be an architect..prove yourself as a student first... Monmouth was a free ride cause he taught there. Guess he never udnerstood what those architecture books were for. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: What $2.5M buys
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wrote (Lot Coverage).. The Lot Coverage footprint is larger due to there not being any setbacks from the property lines. It is 100% lot coverage. Lot coverage footprint? Lot coverage is a result of the footprint, i.e., 50% of the lot covered by improvements. If the lot size is the same as before then the footprint has to be larger to have a greater lot coverage. You plan setbacks (or lack thereof) depending upon what you want. For instance, in most urban sections of NYC, there are streetwall requirements, in other words, you are not allowed to set back until a certain height. Whether it was the right thing to do or not, it is obvious that the plan was to have streetwall contiguity and not setbacks at grade. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] An Idea for AP
Interesting idea. Let artists decorate construction site barriers. I am sure a lot of local artists in AP would be interested and it could be an attraction in and of itself. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/13/nyregion/13sheds.html?ref=nyregion Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: What $2.5M buys
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -you need to use 100% lot coverage to obtain 100% usability or for that matter, 200%. OPEN SPACE at street level - open airways, use of glass and natural stone and levels. NYC mandated it (right dan) at least 20 years ago as street level. Open those architecture books at reread Frank Llyod Wright or I.M. Pei. If my dad had only stopped saying you want to be an architect..prove yourself as a student first... Oak, hopefully you meant '...you DO NOT need to use 100%... and that was just a typo. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] An Idea for AP
God knows we would have enough canvasses to go around :) On Nov 13, 2007, at 10:51 AM, dfsavgny wrote: Interesting idea. Let artists decorate construction site barriers. I am sure a lot of local artists in AP would be interested and it could be an attraction in and of itself. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/13/nyregion/13sheds.html?ref=nyregion
[AsburyPark] Getting 8 Million from the State Taxpayers
The Asbury Park City Council approved a $35.5 million budget with a minimal increase in the city tax rate in June. This year, an $8 million deficit is covered by a state grant. Last year, Asbury Park's small deficit was covered by a tax increase. Since 2004, spending is up by more than $8 million, without offset revenues. Hence, an $8 million deficit. If the state had not come to the aid of our council's pleas for help, the average tax increase would have been heavy. Why continue to spend more than we have? We must look for new ways to increase revenues and cut expenditures. A Citizens Tax Advisory Board would be able to use the best and the brightest minds in this city to work on alternative ways to close our budget gap. One idea the citizens board can pursue immediately would be to create a revenue allocation district and a revenue allocation financing program. This district would encompass the entertainment area Madison Marquette is expanding. This would allow the city to establish a ratable tax amount base that would be paid to the city once full build-out of the district is accomplished. This ratable amount then would be sold via a bond and the proceeds used by the city to pay down the structural deficit — one portion used to cover the debt service and the balance for new projects. Stuart Z. Koperweis ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Re: What $2.5M buys
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: I wrote (Lot Coverage).. The Lot Coverage footprint is larger due to there not being any setbacks from the property lines. It is 100% lot coverage. Lot coverage footprint? Lot coverage is a result of the footprint, i.e., 50% of the lot covered by improvements. If the lot size is the same as before then the footprint has to be larger to have a greater lot coverage. You plan setbacks (or lack thereof) depending upon what you want. For instance, in most urban sections of NYC, there are streetwall requirements, in other words, you are not allowed to set back until a certain height. Whether it was the right thing to do or not, it is obvious that the plan was to have streetwall contiguity and not setbacks at grade. == Perhaps a poor wording on my part. Lets regroup and just consider the lot coverage and the setbacks from the property line at grade for a given lot size. !00% lot coverage = 0 setback. Thats what I'm referring to, not setbacks on higher levels compared to one below it. (stepping of floors) Having setbacks is recognized as beneficial, it allows for green space around the building, courtyards for commercial or public use, in general a sense of 'openness' and public amenity since the sidewalks are buffered from the building by distance. What we have in AP is 100% lot coverage which is detrimental to the entire design philosophy and character of the beachfront. 'City Beautiful' design is based upon the use of space to make the public feel like part of the design instead of an afterthought. We have monumental buildings and parks that are being retained and then conflicting with that by allowing 100% lot coverage in all new development. That has an adverse effect on the unique character of Asbury Park. Appropriate use of setbacks and green/public space would have increased property values, provided visual/commercial interest and made Asbury Park a better place. Just look at the North Beach development - building right up to the street line. The Esperanza will have just a solid wall and garage doors on the Kingsley Avenue side. Both of those examples are not people friendly. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: An Idea for AP
a lot of canvass means a lot of building, which means growth, and revitalization. i kinda like the idea. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: God knows we would have enough canvasses to go around :) On Nov 13, 2007, at 10:51 AM, dfsavgny wrote: Interesting idea. Let artists decorate construction site barriers. I am sure a lot of local artists in AP would be interested and it could be an attraction in and of itself. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/13/nyregion/13sheds.html? ref=nyregion Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: What $2.5M buys
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having setbacks is recognized as beneficial, it allows for green space around the building, courtyards for commercial or public use, in general a sense of 'openness' and public amenity since the sidewalks are buffered from the building by distance. But in some instances it is not where you want to create streetwalls/corridors. They are appropriate in some places and not in others. Will that be as well on the east west axis? I guess the public ROW is not applicable there? Wait, the streets flare out at Ocean so i guess it still is intact. What we have in AP is 100% lot coverage which is detrimental to the entire design philosophy and character of the beachfront. 'City Beautiful' design is based upon the use of space to make the public feel like part of the design instead of an afterthought. You have the beachfront and green acres spaces. We know that they traded higher lot coverage within WRA for lower coverage outside of it. That was in CAFRA. We have monumental buildings and parks that are being retained and then conflicting with that by allowing 100% lot coverage in all new development. That has an adverse effect on the unique character of Asbury Park. i would really have to see a 3 model to judge. In one respect it could make Ocean more human in scale and not a wide expanse. Does cosy come to mind? of course one man's cozy is another's crowded. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: What $2.5M buys
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having setbacks is recognized as beneficial, it allows for green space around the building, courtyards for commercial or public use, in general a sense of 'openness' and public amenity since the sidewalks are buffered from the building by distance. This isnt commercial use, its residential... You would have front lawns with fences, walls, hedges, and other barriers. Public space isnt going to happen on any of these blocks. We have monumental buildings and parks that are being retained and then conflicting with that by allowing 100% lot coverage in all new development. That has an adverse effect on the unique character of Asbury Park. Perhaps the most unique thing about Asbury Park as compared to any other town on the Jersey shore is the wide avenues leading to the beach, which are being retained and redone in a nice way with trees, grass, and open space. This will give a very open feel. Remember, people arent going to be spending time on these streets... theyre walking down them to get to the boardwalk, beach, ocean. And they will have a constant view of that ocean while they are walking there. Esperanza will have just a solid wall and garage doors on the Kingsley Avenue side. Kingsley isnt going to be a place where people are going to hang out though. Its going to be all residential. People are going to walk to the boardwalk, the beach, ocean avenue, downtown, etc to spend time, not on Kingsley which is a driving street. Besides, building out to the extents of the property line is neccesarry to fit parking under the building. Would you rather have 5 more Asbury Tower type buildings along the beachfront surrounded by a parking lot and a fence? That is open space which is private property, and that could be one of the worst spaces in the city. Asbury Park is a unique place in an otherwise uniformly built Jersey Shore. There are plenty of suburbs with homes and lawns and flowers, and you dont see too many suburbs with their streets crowded with pedestrians. Asbury Park requires a different thinking than the rest of the Jersey Shore. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Hamilton Trial Starts
Corruption trial begins for former Asbury Park city councilman Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 11/13/07 BY CHARLES WEBSTER IV Story Chat Post Comment NEWARK John Hamilton sold his office for $2,000 and a driveway,'' said Thomas J. Eicher, deputy chief of the special prosecution division for the U.S. Attorney in New Jersey. The corruption trial for former Asbury Park City Councilman John J. Hamilton Jr. began today with those words to a federal jury in opening statements. Hamilton's attorney, Michael Baldassare, countered that the U.S. Attorney's case was hanging solely on the testimony of FBI informant Robert Duke'' Steffer. In his opening statement, Baldassare called his credibility into question, telling the jury, Steffer lies.'' Why does he lie?'' Baldassare asked. That's what Bobby Steffer does.'' Hamilton has been charged with offering public, no-bid contracts to a demolition contractor in return for having his driveway paved. The contractor - Steffer - was working for the FBI, and his conversations with Hamilton were recorded. Hamilton has pleaded not guilty to the charge. The relationship between Steffer and Hamilton began in May 2001. That's when Vinny Baker, the owner of Jennie's Soul Food restaurant in Asbury Park, introduced Steffer to Hamilton, according to the FBI. Baker has been charged with conspiracy to extort and pleaded guilty to the charges. Hamilton told Steffer that he could find him no-bid demolition work in Asbury Park if in return the contractor agreed to pave Hamilton's driveway free of charge, according to a federal indictment. Steffer paved Hamilton's driveway, according to the indictment. Actually, the FBI hired a contractor, through Steffer, to do the work. When it was done, Hamilton asked Steffer for a receipt to make sure that we both are protected, according to a criminal complaint. An FBI agent prepared a computerized receipt for $1,000, which Steffer later gave to Hamilton. Hamilton took the receipt and promised Steffer that he'd get you some work, according to the criminal complaint. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Buy the Coaster.. Main Street as...Schvitz
I wish this guy Fasano would open a bathhouse on Main Street with an indoor, salt water pool. Just dreaming Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: An Idea for AP
I have an idea for AP. Pave Kingsley. The other day, the area around Wesley Grove got some nice new paving. Perhaps Kingsley will be next because it's a minefield of potholes. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rawdogalways [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a lot of canvass means a lot of building, which means growth, and revitalization. i kinda like the idea. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien lightgrw@ wrote: God knows we would have enough canvasses to go around :) On Nov 13, 2007, at 10:51 AM, dfsavgny wrote: Interesting idea. Let artists decorate construction site barriers. I am sure a lot of local artists in AP would be interested and it could be an attraction in and of itself. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/13/nyregion/13sheds.html? ref=nyregion Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: An Idea for AP
I have an idea for AP. Pave Kingsley. The other day, the area around Wesley Grove got some nice new paving. Perhaps Kingsley will be next because it's a minefield of potholes. I think the paving is concentrated around the development sites for right now. Don't count on Kingsley getting any attention untill the E project is done. I hope Ocean ave gets its lines fixed soon. Even after months of driving on it, i havnt gotten use to dirving north. Your eyes naturaly want to graviate towards the right when you see all that open roadway there. Even if the eastern side of the road were packed with cars, you'd still want to drive over further then your sopose to! Get rid of that white line!!! - Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage.
