date:20081102

Hey that was good!

--- On Sat, 11/1/08, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

From: justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 8:22 PM

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jennifer jennifernjca@ ... 
wrote:

 Sharon asked What about the coded language being used against 
 Obama? That he's a muslim.

Muslim apostate, I believe. He found Jesus 20 years ago. He's 48. 

Muslim faith relies on the father's lineage (as the Jews rely on the 
mother's lineage) for identification. His father's side was Muslim.

The name Hussein follows the H-S-N patter is an identifier of 
Musllim.

He was registered in school as a Muslim. NOTE WELL: That schocl 
required him to register as one of 5 religions. One of the five was 
christian. He registered Muslim.

There is nothing wrong with being Muslim. That being true, why hide 
his past? Isn't his hiding it the one who is insulting Muslims?

He suffers here as did Nixon - no crime, yet a cover-up.

 socialist... 

How many times must he say he wants to distrib ute capital not by 
competition but by government action before the issue can be 
discussed?

He's been hears several times stating the prinsiple. His wife has 
been heard stating it.

Discussion of what he says is permissible.

Unless you are Joe the Plumber. Then government employees are 
ordered to search tax records, child support records and licensure to 
see if there is a chance of shutting you up.

That's how they roll Sharia Law countries, by the way. 

consorting with terrorists,

Haven't heard anyone say Ayers isn't a terrorist. Not even 
him. Guilty as hell and free as a bird is how he describes himself.

Now there is Obama and Khalidi.

he sat 
 on a board that the Annenberg foundation sponsored in Chicago and 
 that Ayers, 

- Sat on a board with Ayers
- Sat in Ayers living room
- Gave a speech sharing a podium with Ayers
- Wrote a blurb for Ayer's book
- Shared a podium with Ayers for the Khalidi goodbye

Hardly knows the guy? How many people are ther that you don't know 
who ask you to blurb their book, have you to their house and do joint 
speaking engagements?

 Tommy answers Nothing is Coded. All of that comes from Obaam's 
 actions.

Exactly. When I say them, I mean them. They are not code for 
somehting else.

 Socialism is another bugaboo that is thrown around to scare 
people. 
 America already has socialistic programs like Social Security. I 
pay 
 into it every week and I don't get to collect it until I am older 
or 
 unable to work. That is socialism.

Since capitalism is based upon competition, the fair fight is between 
those who have no impediment to competing.

Social Security is designed to assit those who can't compete - the 
very young, the very old and the very sick.

That's shows America's heart.

Socialismm, by contrast, delivers capital to everyone, even if they 
can compete. The problem is, it breeds laziness. Why work and be a 
distributor when I can sit back and be a distributee? 

That's whey when any nations slips to far toward it, that nation 
fails.

 Everything is coded because no one wants to admit they're 
alienating 
 a large majority of the voters. Just the term consorting with 
 terrorists is a great example. Consort originally meant the 
spouse 
 of a king or queen aka Royal Consort. 

I believe the term was pals around with. Not consort.

 Socialism is 
 another big old scary word used to frighten older voters because it 
 is often confused with the more extreme fascism.

I believe it is more connected to communism, which were big old scary 
people. Stalin killed more people than Hitler.

 Are we scared of 
 England? Australia? Canada?

Nope, just better than them.

 POOR people often 
 do become very good at playing the system. It's wrong to 
categorize 
 all people of any group that way. 

There are more white people on welfare in America than Black people. 
What's your point then?

Which leads to the final definition
 Prejudice - bias: a partiality that prevents objective 
consideration 
 of an issue or situation 

 The whole thing reeks of prejudice and I don't say that lightly or 
 often. 

To disagree with his economic policy makes one prejudice? To wonder 
aloud about his associations with people who wish America harm makes 
on prejudice? 

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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!

We will see what he meant by change. I don't think it will be what everyone 
that supported him is expecting. Turning Muslim? We still have Congress as bad 
as it is. 
In a way I would kind of like to see it. The younger generation that is so 
damned needy they would fit right into it and the feminists wearing berkas and 
herded around like cattle.
All women will loose their rights. How can that possibly happen it would 
certainly lead to a civil war?
 
 

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From: Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 3:15 PM






It's gonna be really interesting watching the lives of those people
(if) Obama wins. I am afraid to make assumptions.

Though as I write it may be the same as it was for those of us who are
afraid of the Bush doctrine. But we were right ;). Though I wasn't
screaming anything at any rallies. 

Someone posted somewhere that their elderly parents committed double
suicide after 911 because they were afraid of an islamic takeover of
the US. Those are the kind of people shouting Hussein.

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:


 Today, at a Palin rally in Florida, the following was just reported
on CNN:
 
 Towards the end of her remarks, a group in the rear of the audience
began a noisy chant 
 of John McCain! Not Hussein!  but Palin did not appear to hear or
acknowledge them.
 
 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote:
 
  In a message dated 11/1/2008 12:29:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
  gabrielleobre@ writes:
  
  Americans loathe thinking for some reason. Its on both sides. And we
  love to think we are separate from others. We also stop being open to
  growth and discovery as adults and therefore repeat obvious untruths,
  like Obama is a Socialist. Mike still thinks so bless his heart. 
Its a
  problem of consciousness.
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!

His name is Hussein what is the problem? Must be some sort of code

--- On Sat, 11/1/08, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

From: Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 1:52 PM

Today, at a Palin rally in Florida, the following was just reported on CNN:

Towards the end of her remarks, a group in the rear of the audience began a 
noisy chant 
of John McCain! Not Hussein!  but Palin did not appear to hear or 
acknowledge them.

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 In a message dated 11/1/2008 12:29:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
 gabrielleobre@ ... writes:

 Americans loathe thinking for some reason. Its on both sides. And we
 love to think we are separate from others. We also stop being open to
 growth and discovery as adults and therefore repeat obvious untruths,
 like Obama is a Socialist. Mike still thinks so bless his heart. Its a
 problem of consciousness.

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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!

I would be happy to show you how to change frequency or maybe turn the unit 
off. We won't have any of that Free Speech stuff around here it is disgusting!

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Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!
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Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 1:31 PM

In a message dated 11/1/2008 12:42:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] com writes:

There's also a big problem, in my opinion, with the overabundance of 24/7 
news outlets.

Assault media.

Worst of all are the AM radio talk hosts; to me they're terrorists.

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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!

The Real Socialist candiate for president says it is Socialism that should be 
good enough for anyone. 

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Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 1:23 PM

In a message dated 11/1/2008 12:29:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
gabrielleobre@ yahoo.com writes:

Americans loathe thinking for some reason. Its on both sides. And we
love to think we are separate from others. We also stop being open to
growth and discovery as adults and therefore repeat obvious untruths,
like Obama is a Socialist. Mike still thinks so bless his heart. Its a
problem of consciousness.

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[AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!

Too bad it is full of stretches that would make a Yogi proud.  
He isn't a Muslim.  That's been disproven, but he is an ethnic Muslim 
and as a 9 year old he proclaimed himself a Muslim when he registered 
himself for a private school.  DNA testing for all future 
candidates!  McCain has his roots in the UK.  I bet somewhere in his 
lineage there were Witches!!  Almost all pre-Christian Celts 
practiced some form of Wicca.  

Tommy wrote:  To disagree with his economic policy makes one 
prejudice? To wonder aloud about his associations with people who 
wish America harm makes on prejudice?

Perhaps I am not being clear.  To disagree with his economic policy 
is the correct thing to do in a political race.  To woof on and on 
that he is a long list of scary to your average Joe the Plumber 
racial or ethnic stereotypes is not.   It is inciting a bias based 
upon preconceived notions of someone's race, ethnicity, gender, 
sexuality, size, etc.  That is prejudice.  It like I asked last week -
 Why do conservatives always have to incite fear?  
  





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[AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!

2008-11-02 Thread sharon_b283

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 sharon_b283@ 
 wrote:
 
  JR:
  Take one look at McCain-Palin rallies.  How many Blacks do you see 
 in
  the audience?  One or two?  What does that tell you?  
 
 Sharon Blacks vote 9 to 1 Democrat in Presidential election.  That's 
 been the case for years.  Has nothing to do with McCain or Palin.
 

Why is that?  The 9-1 ratio?  What does the Republican Party offer? 
Zilch!  These are former Dixie-Crats, post 1964, turned a once
respected party into the fundamentalists, they are!  They certainly
aren't Christian!  They are the Party of the haves, by any means
necessary!  Christians don't steal elections, they WIN them fair and
square.  Explain how the Supreme Court get to decide a Federal election?  

You load it up with white conservatives, who think the only Americans
are like them and not the so-called melting pot we aren't.
We're a country of hypocrites, where Catholics are assumed to be
white only, Irish or Italian!  

Oh, I forgot, Hispanic, forgetting that along the Gulf Coast, the
Spanish and French settled these areas and that Slaves and American
Indians were forced to be Roman Catholic!  Name me one reason that
the Party of Lincoln was hijacked into what it has become.

History didn't begin in the East, as New Orleans and the Louisiana
Territory was established in 1600, long before there was a United
States.  A place that began as a trading post where frontiersman and
the Indians traded fur pelts and other commodities.  Remember,
Columbus landed on an island, off the Coast of the Americas.
 
 
 What about the
  coded language being used against Obama?  That he's a muslim,
  socialist, consorting with terrorists, when he's always been a
  Christian, that sharing the wealth with the poor instead of the 
 rich,
  makes him a socialist and that he sat on a board that the Annenberg
  foundation sponsored in Chicago and that Ayers, 
 
 
 Nothing is Coded.  All of that comes from Obaam's actions.
 
 
 
   Palin speaks just the opposite of her running mate!  People yelling
  kill him and terrorist in the McCain crowd, not being corrected! 
 
 
 How many times do I have to post it:  The Secret Service 
 investigated.  The kill him incident never happened.






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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!

Not for nothing but can't any of you people think for yourselves? Obama is a 
Socialist.

--- On Sat, 11/1/08, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

From: Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 12:42 PM

I think the bigger problem is that we live our lives via soundbytes that we 
hear on TV.
We have dumbed ourselves down to the point where a 10 to 60 second piece of 
information is all we need to form an opinion. If you like FOX news, and you 
hear 
somebody say Obama is a socialist then you believe it.
There's also a big problem, in my opinion, with the overabundance of 24/7 news 
outlets. I 
believe that people are dumbed down to the point of not realizing that most, if 
not all 
have an agenda, and are being used for propaganda. MSNBC's morning shows tend 
to 
favor McCain just like FOX. They all have some kind of agenda, although I find 
CNN and 
BBC to be the least partisan.
We also tend to let others do the thinking for us. We sit our asses on our 
couches and let 
others tell us what's right and wrong. Our own desire to create a convenient 
lifestyle is 
part of our downfall. It shows up in our waist bands as well as our knowledge 
of the world.
And, it's no wonder that our kids test scores are low compared to the rest of 
the world, 
because entire generations have been raised on soundbytes and distractions.
Kids in America who are doing their homework on computers are constantly 
distracted by 
text messages, IMs, Facebook, myspace and on and on. And when they aren't doing 
that, 
they are watching TV that brings them the world in a face paced edited way. I 
recently 
heard a report on NPR in which a worldwide study was done to see if 
multitasking helps, 
or hurts kids. Overwhelmingly the conclusion is that it hurts them, because it 
doesn't allow 
connections to be made or acquired knowledge to sink in. But kids think they 
are better 
and smarter because they can multitask, which is a false idea.

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ ... wrote:

 Even if they don't stoke it, they benefit from it. This kind of
 behavior happens at all levels. Women/girls do it to one another all
 the time through gossip. The first time I recall an example..Sonya
 doesn't wear underwear! in like third grade. 

 A woman in an Asbury bar last week said to me But Obama is an Arab
 and we are fighting Arabs. Another said Isn't it true he has NEVER
 really worked.

 Americans loathe thinking for some reason. Its on both sides. And we
 love to think we are separate from others. We also stop being open to
 growth and discovery as adults and therefore repeat obvious untruths,
 like Obama is a Socialist. Mike still thinks so bless his heart. Its a
 problem of consciousness.

 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:

  I don't think McCain or Palin have personally fueled the racist
 fire, but some of their 
  supporters definitely have. I also applaud McCain for confronting
 people at his events that 
  have suggested that Obama is a Muslim.

  To that point, it really disturbs me about how many Americans got
 caught up in the 
  Muslim rhetoric, and furthermore, it's terrible that in doing so, it
 branded the whole 
  Muslim religion as bad for those who wish to think so, which is a
 horrible thing for our 
  citizens to to. I bet a vast majority of these people don't know a
 single thing about the 
  Muslim religion.

  At the same time, there are people attending McCain/Palin events
 that are putting out 
  racist thoughts. Here's an example...listen to the guy at 23 seconds in;

  http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=zRqcfqiXCX0

  And, if you search on youtube for McCain, racism, you'll see lot's
 more, and it's disgusting.
  There was a video in which a guy actually looked right at the camera
 and called Obama an 
  N word, but fortunately it was removed from YouTube. I was going
 to post it here 
  Tommy didn't believe it existed.

  But, you don't just have to use the N word to stir the racist
 fire. Watch that whole video 
  above. Watch as what appears to be a nice old lady starts off with
 her racist statement.
  This is something that invalidates the concept that America is the
 greatest country on 
  earth

  When I was younger, I used to believe that. Then I spent years of my
 life living and 
  working overseas, only to come home to a country where racism is
 alive and well, and that 
  includes things said by the Rev. Wright, but, for me, it's easy to
 see where his brand of 
  racism came from, because his race has been horribly abused right up
 into this century, 
  and finally we are starting to see that go away, slowly but surely,
 and the nomination of 
  Obama is proof.

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   I like word Coded. It is a nice term for accusing someone of
 being

[AsburyPark] Rolling Stone: McCain Article

This is an article from Rolling Stone, an admittedly left wing magazine 
http://tinyurl.com/3toabc

  




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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!

The racist fire how come you never mention Reverend Wright? A member of the 
crowd yells racist comments and this is a big deal. Someone McCain and Palin 
don't even know, can't even see, does it and it is there fault somehow. 
Reverend Wright, someone Obama knows for 20 years as a personal friend and 
attends his church does it, and there is no problem here.  When something 
doesn't please Obama he whines about it this will come in handy if he is the 
next President. He is too weak to be President he will be walked all over in 
the same manner Jimmy Carter was. Jimmy Carter was four years fo hell and swept 
out he door after four.
 
 


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From: Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 11:46 AM






I don't think McCain or Palin have personally fueled the racist fire, but some 
of their 
supporters definitely have. I also applaud McCain for confronting people at his 
events that 
have suggested that Obama is a Muslim.

To that point, it really disturbs me about how many Americans got caught up in 
the 
Muslim rhetoric, and furthermore, it's terrible that in doing so, it branded 
the whole 
Muslim religion as bad for those who wish to think so, which is a horrible 
thing for our 
citizens to to. I bet a vast majority of these people don't know a single thing 
about the 
Muslim religion.

At the same time, there are people attending McCain/Palin events that are 
putting out 
racist thoughts. Here's an example...listen to the guy at 23 seconds in;

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=zRqcfqiXCX0

And, if you search on youtube for McCain, racism, you'll see lot's more, and 
it's disgusting.
There was a video in which a guy actually looked right at the camera and called 
Obama an 
N word, but fortunately it was removed from YouTube. I was going to post it 
here 
Tommy didn't believe it existed.

But, you don't just have to use the N word to stir the racist fire. Watch 
that whole video 
above. Watch as what appears to be a nice old lady starts off with her racist 
statement.
This is something that invalidates the concept that America is the greatest 
country on 
earth

When I was younger, I used to believe that. Then I spent years of my life 
living and 
working overseas, only to come home to a country where racism is alive and 
well, and that 
includes things said by the Rev. Wright, but, for me, it's easy to see where 
his brand of 
racism came from, because his race has been horribly abused right up into this 
century, 
and finally we are starting to see that go away, slowly but surely, and the 
nomination of 
Obama is proof.

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Mike Hemeon tvnetdude2000@ ... wrote:

 I like word Coded. It is a nice term for accusing someone of being racist. 
 The racist 
crap is wearing thin. No opinion unless it is Obama's opinion. We will see how 
long that 
lasts.
 
 --- On Sat, 11/1/08, justifiedright justifiedright@ ... wrote:
 
 From: justifiedright justifiedright@ ...
 Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
 Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 8:24 AM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, sharon_b283 sharon_b283@ ... 
 wrote:
 
  JR:
  Take one look at McCain-Palin rallies. How many Blacks do you see 
 in
  the audience? One or two? What does that tell you? 
 
 Sharon Blacks vote 9 to 1 Democrat in Presidential election. That's 
 been the case for years. Has nothing to do with McCain or Palin.
 
 What about the
  coded language being used against Obama? That he's a muslim,
  socialist, consorting with terrorists, when he's always been a
  Christian, that sharing the wealth with the poor instead of the 
 rich,
  makes him a socialist and that he sat on a board that the Annenberg
  foundation sponsored in Chicago and that Ayers, 
 
 Nothing is Coded. All of that comes from Obaam's actions.
 
  Palin speaks just the opposite of her running mate! People yelling
  kill him and terrorist in the McCain crowd, not being corrected! 
 
 How many times do I have to post it: The Secret Service 
 investigated. The kill him incident never happened.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!

2008-11-02 Thread sharon_b283

Old Black people playing the system?  When did WE ever play the
system and please dignify that!  For 450 years people of African
descent, were held in bondage, described as 3/5ths of a person,
according to the Constitution, uneducated on purpose, because those
who managed to learn rebelled against being property, as though a
head of cattle!  You call that, playing the system?  I'll repeat
again, if you have a 450 year Head Start, when will we catch up?

I find your post, negative, and not being Black yourself, wouldn't
know what we feel or have experienced.  There are millions of Blacks
in this country who have played by the rules, gone to school, served
this country in times of war and not, had their children educated and
wanted the American Dream, while there are over 2 million Blacks
incarcerated in American prisons, while being only 12% of the population.

So explain to me, while whites wrap themselves in the American Flag,
don't serve or try to get out of serving, then think of only
themselves as patriots, as though patriotism cones in only one color?  
Is that the 9-11 effect where only police and firemen are patriots?
 I don't think so!

Where is the so-called fairness and equality?  John McCain's family
has played the system, allowing America to educate them for free for
100 years, attending the Naval Academy for free!  He became a prisoner
of war, because his flights bombed Vietnamese people!  He is no hero
that I can recall!  He was a hotdogger, who went on R and R after
his fellow Navy men were killed by his plane, then got himself
transferred to another ship!  Google it and see!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Sharon, I will answer your questions to Tommy.  Although I don't 
 think he'd agree with my facts which are from the dictionary and the 
 encyclopedia.
 
 Sharon asked What about the coded language being used against 
 Obama?  That he's a muslim, socialist, consorting with terrorists, 
 when he's always been a Christian, that sharing the Sharwealth with 
 the poor instead of the rich, makes him a socialist and that he sat 
 on a board that the Annenberg foundation sponsored in Chicago and 
 that Ayers, 
  
 Tommy answers Nothing is Coded.  All of that comes from Obaam's 
 actions.
 
 That seems to be a non-answer.  
 
 Muslim - In Arabic, one who surrenders to God; a follower of Islam. 
 There are 1 billion Muslims in the world and 6 million in the United 
 States.
 Consort - keep company with; hang out with
 Terrorist - One who utilizes the systematic use of violence and 
 intimidation to achieve political objectives, while disguised as a 
 civilian non-combatant.
 Socialist - a political advocate of socialism.
 Socialism - An economic system in which the basic means of production 
 are primarily owned and controlled collectively, usually by 
 government under some system of central planning. 
 Social democracy - a political ideology of the left or centre-left 
 that emerged in the late 19th century from the socialist movement and 
 continues to be influential in many countries worldwide
 In general, contemporary social democrats support:
 
 A mixed economy consisting mainly of private enterprise, but with 
 government owned or subsidized programs of education, healthcare, 
 child care and related services for all citizens. 
 Government bodies that regulate private enterprise in the interests 
 of workers, consumers and fair competition. 
 Advocacy of fair trade over free trade. 
 An extensive system of social security (although usually not to the 
 extent advocated by democratic socialists or other socialist groups), 
 with the stated goal of counteracting the effects of poverty and 
 insuring the citizens against loss of income following illness, 
 unemployment or retirement. 
 Moderate to high levels of taxation (through a value-added and/or 
 progressive taxation system) to fund government expenditure. 
 Social democrats also tend to support:
 
 Environmental protection laws (although not always to the extent 
 advocated by Greens), such as combating global warming and increasing 
 alternative energy funding. 
 Support for immigration and multiculturalism. 
 A secular and progressive social policy, although this varies 
 markedly in degree. 
 A foreign policy supporting the promotion of democracy, the 
 protection of human rights and where possible, effective 
 multilateralism. 
 As well as human rights, social democrats also support social rights, 
 civil rights and civil liberties
 
 Opinion:  Barack Obama is not a Muslim.  Nothing has ever been shown 
 to prove he even considered practicing Islam.  I have to add and so 
 what if he is one?  It is a faith.  I was not born when Kennedy ran 
 for president, but I did hear a lot about it from my Irish Catholic 
 family.  If elected, Kennedy would follow the Pope not the people was 
 the cry of the opposition.  Maybe it was a cover for he isn't like 
 us.  He isn't a WASP.  That was a mere 48

[AsburyPark] Re: Rolling Stone: McCain Article

This is my favorite blurb from that article.

On the grounds between the two brick colleges, the chitchat between
the scion of four-star admirals and the son of a prizefighter turns to
their academic travels; both colleges sponsor a trip abroad for young
officers to network with military and political leaders in a distant
corner of the globe.

I'm going to the Middle East, Dramesi says. Turkey, Kuwait,
Lebanon, Iran.

Why are you going to the Middle East? McCain asks, dismissively.

It's a place we're probably going to have some problems, Dramesi says.

Why? Where are you going to, John?

Oh, I'm going to Rio.

What the hell are you going to Rio for?

McCain, a married father of three, shrugs.

I got a better chance of getting laid.




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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!

In a message dated 11/2/2008 8:15:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Too bad  it is full of stretches that would make a Yogi proud.  

 
Yep.  Long history of those full of (it) stretches; many of them on  record 
in this group's archives.
 
A One-Trick Pony throwing gobs of shitake at the wall, hoping some will  
stick and incite.
 
All fire and heat; little light or enlightenment
from those who would appeal to our Heart(s) of Darkness rather than to  our 
Better Angels.
 
 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!

In a message dated 11/1/2008 8:22:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

He was registered in school as a Muslim. NOTE WELL: That schocl
required him to register as one of 5 religions. One of the five was
christian. He registered Muslim.

There is nothing wrong with being Muslim. That being true, why hide
his past? Isn't his hiding it the one who is insulting Muslims?

JR reverts back to a January 2007 article in Insight magazine (a publication
affiliated with Moon's Washington Times) and smeared around by Fox-y News
and viral emails. Back then, the report also claimed Hillary's campaign had
uncovered the information, but Fox later had to retract the Clinton
connection.

As a six year old, Obama was placed in a Catholic school where he studied
catechism. Then when he was 8 years old, his father, not Obama, registered
him
at a public school open to all faiths.

That and all the other distortions raised by Moon's Insight Magazine and
spread by Fox are debunked here:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

and several other pages at Snopes:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/50lies.asp

Abrouhaha among the tabloids, distracting the electorate from real issues.
Rivals CNN and Fox News Spar Over Obama Report - New York Times

Statement from the National Council of Churches: http://tinyurl.com/5tngmu

We are writing to deplore this despicable tactic and set the record
straight.
We have had enough of the slash and burn politics calculated to divide us as
children of God.
We must come together as one nation, and see our stake in each other as
Americans.
The bitter, destructive politics that have so riven our country in recent
years cannot stand.
As American leaders of different faiths - Catholic and Protestant, Muslim
and Jew - who have worked cooperatively and greatly respect all of the 2008
candidates in both parties, we do not offer this statement as an endorsement of

any individual candidate. However, certain moral standards should infuse our
national dialogue, and the recent attacks on Sen. Obama violate values at the
heart of this dialogue. The false and malicious attacks levied at him are
anathema to all of our faith traditions, and we condemn them outright.
Debunked and Condemned.
Dante's Eight Circle is reserved for Sowers of Discord.

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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!

It is too bad you missed Jimmy Carter. I was a Democrat until that moron scared 
me straight! You take a pretty strong stand for a candidate you know nothing 
about.

--- On Sun, 11/2/08, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

From: Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 8:59 AM

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Mike Hemeon tvnetdude2000@ ... wrote:

 Not for nothing but can't any of you people think for yourselves?
Obama is a Socialist.

Keep saying it Mike and add in War is Peace; Freedom is Slavery;
Ignorance is Strength

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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!

Mario has a yoga position that not to many people can get into.

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Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!
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Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 8:47 AM

In a message dated 11/2/2008 8:15:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
jennifernjca@ yahoo.com writes:

Too bad it is full of stretches that would make a Yogi proud. 
 = ===

Yep. Long history of those full of (it) stretches; many of them on record 
in this group's archives.

A One-Trick Pony throwing gobs of shitake at the wall, hoping some will 
stick and incite.

All fire and heat; little light or enlightenment
from those who would appeal to our Heart(s) of Darkness rather than to our 
Better Angels.

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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!

Give it a rest Sharon. Who he f*#k is holding you down now? The difference 
between immigrants and American Blacks is they value education and they get 
ahead. An entire population of people that has placed its entire value on being 
a victim is old.
What part of Africa would you like to be back in right now?  Why don't you just 
say you hate the US? I am tired of hearing it.

--- On Sun, 11/2/08, sharon_b283 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

From: sharon_b283 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 8:34 AM






Old Black people playing the system? When did WE ever play the
system and please dignify that! For 450 years people of African
descent, were held in bondage, described as 3/5ths of a person,
according to the Constitution, uneducated on purpose, because those
who managed to learn rebelled against being property, as though a
head of cattle! You call that, playing the system? I'll repeat
again, if you have a 450 year Head Start, when will we catch up?

I find your post, negative, and not being Black yourself, wouldn't
know what we feel or have experienced. There are millions of Blacks
in this country who have played by the rules, gone to school, served
this country in times of war and not, had their children educated and
wanted the American Dream, while there are over 2 million Blacks
incarcerated in American prisons, while being only 12% of the population.

So explain to me, while whites wrap themselves in the American Flag,
don't serve or try to get out of serving, then think of only
themselves as patriots, as though patriotism cones in only one color? 
Is that the 9-11 effect where only police and firemen are patriots?
I don't think so!

Where is the so-called fairness and equality? John McCain's family
has played the system, allowing America to educate them for free for
100 years, attending the Naval Academy for free! He became a prisoner
of war, because his flights bombed Vietnamese people! He is no hero
that I can recall! He was a hotdogger, who went on R and R after
his fellow Navy men were killed by his plane, then got himself
transferred to another ship! Google it and see!

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jennifer jennifernjca@ ... wrote:

 Sharon, I will answer your questions to Tommy. Although I don't 
 think he'd agree with my facts which are from the dictionary and the 
 encyclopedia.
 
 Sharon asked What about the coded language being used against 
 Obama? That he's a muslim, socialist, consorting with terrorists, 
 when he's always been a Christian, that sharing the Sharwealth with 
 the poor instead of the rich, makes him a socialist and that he sat 
 on a board that the Annenberg foundation sponsored in Chicago and 
 that Ayers, 
 
 Tommy answers Nothing is Coded. All of that comes from Obaam's 
 actions.
 
 That seems to be a non-answer. 
 
 Muslim - In Arabic, one who surrenders to God; a follower of Islam. 
 There are 1 billion Muslims in the world and 6 million in the United 
 States.
 Consort - keep company with; hang out with
 Terrorist - One who utilizes the systematic use of violence and 
 intimidation to achieve political objectives, while disguised as a 
 civilian non-combatant.
 Socialist - a political advocate of socialism.
 Socialism - An economic system in which the basic means of production 
 are primarily owned and controlled collectively, usually by 
 government under some system of central planning. 
 Social democracy - a political ideology of the left or centre-left 
 that emerged in the late 19th century from the socialist movement and 
 continues to be influential in many countries worldwide
 In general, contemporary social democrats support:
 
 A mixed economy consisting mainly of private enterprise, but with 
 government owned or subsidized programs of education, healthcare, 
 child care and related services for all citizens. 
 Government bodies that regulate private enterprise in the interests 
 of workers, consumers and fair competition. 
 Advocacy of fair trade over free trade. 
 An extensive system of social security (although usually not to the 
 extent advocated by democratic socialists or other socialist groups), 
 with the stated goal of counteracting the effects of poverty and 
 insuring the citizens against loss of income following illness, 
 unemployment or retirement. 
 Moderate to high levels of taxation (through a value-added and/or 
 progressive taxation system) to fund government expenditure. 
 Social democrats also tend to support:
 
 Environmental protection laws (although not always to the extent 
 advocated by Greens), such as combating global warming and increasing 
 alternative energy funding. 
 Support for immigration and multiculturalism. 
 A secular and progressive social policy, although this varies 
 markedly in degree. 
 A foreign policy supporting the promotion of democracy, the 
 protection of human rights and where possible, effective

[AsburyPark] Monday - November 3rd... Bus for Change Visibilty Tour in Asbury Park....

2008-11-02 Thread Louie

Monday - Bus for Change Visibilty Tour in Asbury Park
Meet the Bus For Change at the Asbury Park train station (Main Street)
at 3:00 PM. We'll drive and walk around town to generate excitement for
Barack Obama and remind folks to vote on Tuesday! Hundreds of new
voters have registered in Asbury - Let's make sure people get to the 
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[AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!

2008-11-02 Thread Jack Pitzer

Obviously, you just skimmed, because you missed when I wrote this ...only to 
come home 
to a country where racism is alive and well,
and that includes things said by the Rev. Wright, but, for me, it's easy to see 
where his
brand of racism came from...
I also maintain that much of the hatred for Rev. Wright comes from soundbytes. 
Yes, he 
sad bad things, but they are isolated pieces. Believe it or not, if you listen 
to his sermons 
in their entirety, which you'd probably never do, you'd also hear him say 
positive things as 
well, but we live in a negative world, and McCain has spent his entire campaign 
pushing 
negativity.
And what about you? For weeks, you felt that it was perfectly normal to refer 
to Obama 
only by his middle name...

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hemeon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The racist fire how come you never mention Reverend Wright? A member of the 
 crowd 
yells racist comments and this is a big deal. Someone McCain and Palin don't 
even know, 
can't even see, does it and it is there fault somehow. Reverend Wright, someone 
Obama 
knows for 20 years as a personal friend and attends his church does it, and 
there is no 
problem here.  When something doesn't please Obama he whines about it this will 
come in 
handy if he is the next President. He is too weak to be President he will be 
walked all over 
in the same manner Jimmy Carter was. Jimmy Carter was four years fo hell and 
swept out 
he door after four.
  
  
 
 
 --- On Sat, 11/1/08, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 From: Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!
 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 11:46 AM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 I don't think McCain or Palin have personally fueled the racist fire, but 
 some of their 
 supporters definitely have. I also applaud McCain for confronting people at 
 his events 
that 
 have suggested that Obama is a Muslim.
 
 To that point, it really disturbs me about how many Americans got caught up 
 in the 
 Muslim rhetoric, and furthermore, it's terrible that in doing so, it branded 
 the whole 
 Muslim religion as bad for those who wish to think so, which is a horrible 
 thing for our 
 citizens to to. I bet a vast majority of these people don't know a single 
 thing about the 
 Muslim religion.
 
 At the same time, there are people attending McCain/Palin events that are 
 putting out 
 racist thoughts. Here's an example...listen to the guy at 23 seconds in;
 
 http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=zRqcfqiXCX0
 
 And, if you search on youtube for McCain, racism, you'll see lot's more, and 
 it's 
disgusting.
 There was a video in which a guy actually looked right at the camera and 
 called Obama 
an 
 N word, but fortunately it was removed from YouTube. I was going to post it 
 here 
 Tommy didn't believe it existed.
 
 But, you don't just have to use the N word to stir the racist fire. Watch 
 that whole video 
 above. Watch as what appears to be a nice old lady starts off with her racist 
 statement.
 This is something that invalidates the concept that America is the greatest 
 country on 
 earth
 
 When I was younger, I used to believe that. Then I spent years of my life 
 living and 
 working overseas, only to come home to a country where racism is alive and 
 well, and 
that 
 includes things said by the Rev. Wright, but, for me, it's easy to see where 
 his brand of 
 racism came from, because his race has been horribly abused right up into 
 this century, 
 and finally we are starting to see that go away, slowly but surely, and the 
 nomination of 
 Obama is proof.
 
 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Mike Hemeon tvnetdude2000@ ... wrote:
 
  I like word Coded. It is a nice term for accusing someone of being 
  racist. The racist 
 crap is wearing thin. No opinion unless it is Obama's opinion. We will see 
 how long that 
 lasts.
  
  --- On Sat, 11/1/08, justifiedright justifiedright@ ... wrote:
  
  From: justifiedright justifiedright@ ...
  Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
  Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 8:24 AM
  
  
  
  
  
  
  --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, sharon_b283 sharon_b283@ ... 
  wrote:
  
   JR:
   Take one look at McCain-Palin rallies. How many Blacks do you see 
  in
   the audience? One or two? What does that tell you? 
  
  Sharon Blacks vote 9 to 1 Democrat in Presidential election. That's 
  been the case for years. Has nothing to do with McCain or Palin.
  
  What about the
   coded language being used against Obama? That he's a muslim,
   socialist, consorting with terrorists, when he's always been a
   Christian, that sharing the wealth with the poor instead of the 
  rich,
   makes him a socialist and that he sat on a board that the Annenberg
   foundation sponsored in Chicago and that Ayers, 
  
  Nothing is Coded. All of that comes from Obaam's actions.
  
   Palin speaks just the opposite of her

[AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!

2008-11-02 Thread Jack Pitzer

No he's not. You can easily find things in the Bush world that can be called 
socialist. You 
can call the bailout socialist. McCain presents ideas that can be viewed as 
socialist.
So, there you go, jumping on the buzzword of the moment bandwagon.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hemeon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Not for nothing but can't any of you people think for yourselves? Obama is a 
 Socialist.
  
 
 --- On Sat, 11/1/08, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 From: Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!
 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 12:42 PM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 I think the bigger problem is that we live our lives via soundbytes that we 
 hear on TV.
 We have dumbed ourselves down to the point where a 10 to 60 second piece of 
 information is all we need to form an opinion. If you like FOX news, and you 
 hear 
 somebody say Obama is a socialist then you believe it.
 There's also a big problem, in my opinion, with the overabundance of 24/7 
 news 
outlets. I 
 believe that people are dumbed down to the point of not realizing that most, 
 if not all 
 have an agenda, and are being used for propaganda. MSNBC's morning shows tend 
 to 
 favor McCain just like FOX. They all have some kind of agenda, although I 
 find CNN and 
 BBC to be the least partisan.
 We also tend to let others do the thinking for us. We sit our asses on our 
 couches and 
let 
 others tell us what's right and wrong. Our own desire to create a convenient 
 lifestyle is 
 part of our downfall. It shows up in our waist bands as well as our knowledge 
 of the 
world.
 And, it's no wonder that our kids test scores are low compared to the rest of 
 the world, 
 because entire generations have been raised on soundbytes and distractions.
 Kids in America who are doing their homework on computers are constantly 
 distracted 
by 
 text messages, IMs, Facebook, myspace and on and on. And when they aren't 
 doing 
that, 
 they are watching TV that brings them the world in a face paced edited way. I 
 recently 
 heard a report on NPR in which a worldwide study was done to see if 
 multitasking helps, 
 or hurts kids. Overwhelmingly the conclusion is that it hurts them, because 
 it doesn't 
allow 
 connections to be made or acquired knowledge to sink in. But kids think they 
 are better 
 and smarter because they can multitask, which is a false idea.
 
 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ ... wrote:
 
  Even if they don't stoke it, they benefit from it. This kind of
  behavior happens at all levels. Women/girls do it to one another all
  the time through gossip. The first time I recall an example..Sonya
  doesn't wear underwear! in like third grade. 
  
  A woman in an Asbury bar last week said to me But Obama is an Arab
  and we are fighting Arabs. Another said Isn't it true he has NEVER
  really worked.
  
  Americans loathe thinking for some reason. Its on both sides. And we
  love to think we are separate from others. We also stop being open to
  growth and discovery as adults and therefore repeat obvious untruths,
  like Obama is a Socialist. Mike still thinks so bless his heart. Its a
  problem of consciousness.
  
  --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
  
   I don't think McCain or Palin have personally fueled the racist
  fire, but some of their 
   supporters definitely have. I also applaud McCain for confronting
  people at his events that 
   have suggested that Obama is a Muslim.
   
   To that point, it really disturbs me about how many Americans got
  caught up in the 
   Muslim rhetoric, and furthermore, it's terrible that in doing so, it
  branded the whole 
   Muslim religion as bad for those who wish to think so, which is a
  horrible thing for our 
   citizens to to. I bet a vast majority of these people don't know a
  single thing about the 
   Muslim religion.
   
   At the same time, there are people attending McCain/Palin events
  that are putting out 
   racist thoughts. Here's an example...listen to the guy at 23 seconds in;
   
   http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=zRqcfqiXCX0
   
   And, if you search on youtube for McCain, racism, you'll see lot's
  more, and it's disgusting.
   There was a video in which a guy actually looked right at the camera
  and called Obama an 
   N word, but fortunately it was removed from YouTube. I was going
  to post it here 
   Tommy didn't believe it existed.
   
   But, you don't just have to use the N word to stir the racist
  fire. Watch that whole video 
   above. Watch as what appears to be a nice old lady starts off with
  her racist statement.
   This is something that invalidates the concept that America is the
  greatest country on 
   earth
   
   When I was younger, I used to believe that. Then I spent years of my
  life living and 
   working overseas, only to come home to a country where racism is
  alive and well, and that

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!

Old Culture War soldiers never die, they just keep  fulminating as they pass 
away.
 
(Apologies to General MacArthur)
 
 
In a message dated 11/2/2008 10:11:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
pushing  negativityit was perfectly normal to refer to Obama only by his 
middle  name...


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[AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!

Sharon, 
Please give my post another read.  I meant that it was the same old 
use of a prejudice to scare voters.  The prejudicial stereotype being 
that all black people, regardless of age, are working the system.   
The truth being that many POOR people, regardless of race have to 
become quite good at working the system because the system sucks.  
The truth is that there are more white people receiving public 
assistance than blacks or latinos.  It is a economic issue.  If 
you're children are hungry then you will figure out a way to work the 
system and I know a lot of people who will help you to do it too.  

There is no argument from me on the history of racial prejudice.  It 
is very real, it has always existed and it will continue to exist as 
long as people keep espousing it. That is the entire point of my 
post.  Prejudice does exists and it is being used to incite fear by 
if not John Sidney McCain III then by those who are behind him.

Jennifer
In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Old Black people playing the system?  When did WE ever play the
 system and please dignify that!  For 450 years people of African
 descent, were held in bondage, described as 3/5ths of a person,
 according to the Constitution, uneducated on purpose, because those
 who managed to learn rebelled against being property, as though 
a
 head of cattle!  You call that, playing the system?  I'll repeat
 again, if you have a 450 year Head Start, when will we catch up?
 
 I find your post, negative, and not being Black yourself, wouldn't
 know what we feel or have experienced.  There are millions of Blacks
 in this country who have played by the rules, gone to school, served
 this country in times of war and not, had their children educated 
and
 wanted the American Dream, while there are over 2 million Blacks
 incarcerated in American prisons, while being only 12% of the 
population.
 
 So explain to me, while whites wrap themselves in the American Flag,
 don't serve or try to get out of serving, then think of only
 themselves as patriots, as though patriotism cones in only one 
color?  
 Is that the 9-11 effect where only police and firemen are 
patriots?
  I don't think so!
 
 Where is the so-called fairness and equality?  John McCain's 
family
 has played the system, allowing America to educate them for free 
for
 100 years, attending the Naval Academy for free!  He became a 
prisoner
 of war, because his flights bombed Vietnamese people!  He is no hero
 that I can recall!  He was a hotdogger, who went on R and R after
 his fellow Navy men were killed by his plane, then got himself
 transferred to another ship!  Google it and see!
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jennifer jennifernjca@ wrote:
 
  Sharon, I will answer your questions to Tommy.  Although I don't 
  think he'd agree with my facts which are from the dictionary and 
the 
  encyclopedia.
  
  Sharon asked What about the coded language being used against 
  Obama?  That he's a muslim, socialist, consorting with 
terrorists, 
  when he's always been a Christian, that sharing the Sharwealth 
with 
  the poor instead of the rich, makes him a socialist and that he 
sat 
  on a board that the Annenberg foundation sponsored in Chicago and 
  that Ayers, 
   
  Tommy answers Nothing is Coded.  All of that comes from Obaam's 
  actions.
  
  That seems to be a non-answer.  
  
  Muslim - In Arabic, one who surrenders to God; a follower of 
Islam. 
  There are 1 billion Muslims in the world and 6 million in the 
United 
  States.
  Consort - keep company with; hang out with
  Terrorist - One who utilizes the systematic use of violence and 
  intimidation to achieve political objectives, while disguised as 
a 
  civilian non-combatant.
  Socialist - a political advocate of socialism.
  Socialism - An economic system in which the basic means of 
production 
  are primarily owned and controlled collectively, usually by 
  government under some system of central planning. 
  Social democracy - a political ideology of the left or centre-
left 
  that emerged in the late 19th century from the socialist movement 
and 
  continues to be influential in many countries worldwide
  In general, contemporary social democrats support:
  
  A mixed economy consisting mainly of private enterprise, but with 
  government owned or subsidized programs of education, healthcare, 
  child care and related services for all citizens. 
  Government bodies that regulate private enterprise in the 
interests 
  of workers, consumers and fair competition. 
  Advocacy of fair trade over free trade. 
  An extensive system of social security (although usually not to 
the 
  extent advocated by democratic socialists or other socialist 
groups), 
  with the stated goal of counteracting the effects of poverty and 
  insuring the citizens against loss of income following illness, 
  unemployment or retirement. 
  Moderate to high levels of taxation (through a value-added

[AsburyPark] Thinking like this needs to be eliminated in America

2008-11-02 Thread Jack Pitzer

This was posted today on the Asbury Park Press website;

Only the stupid and ignorant white Americans will vote for this anti-American 
Negro 
terrorist Obama. Negro Obama HATES the white middle-class American people. He 
has voted 
for and/or supported all legislative bills to make white middle-class Americans 
UN-EM-
PLOYED.

If Obama thinks he can intimidate the white middle-class with his HATEFUL 
policies let 
Negro Obama BEWARE!

Some day the American peoples' patience will come to an end. And then you lying 
and 
despicable terrorists will be shipped to Africa forever!


Comments like that highlight the underlying racism in our country, and the 
effect that 
negative campaigning has had.
We are never going to advance as a country until this goes away, no matter who 
is spewing 
racism...white, black or anybody. We need to come together as a nation, not be 
divided.




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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Classic Classic Classic

In a message dated 10/31/2008 1:02:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Go  against the flow and your invites to parties will dry up.
You'll be  un-invited to participate on committees, etc...
... excommunicated...  exiled... and eventually... locked up.

Sure you want to keep asking  questions about local politics ??
Guess its safe in your case, go for  it.
 
==
 
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(1912-2008)
 
R.I.P. Studs
 
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[AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!

Bill Ayers is a white boy.  How is talking about Obama's relationship 
with him code for raising fears about racism in his relationship?

Obviously you aren't even thinking your insults through before 
throwing them.




--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Too bad it is full of stretches that would make a Yogi proud.  
 He isn't a Muslim.  That's been disproven, but he is an ethnic 
Muslim 
 and as a 9 year old he proclaimed himself a Muslim when he 
registered 
 himself for a private school.  DNA testing for all future 
 candidates!  McCain has his roots in the UK.  I bet somewhere in 
his 
 lineage there were Witches!!  Almost all pre-Christian Celts 
 practiced some form of Wicca.  
 
 Tommy wrote:  To disagree with his economic policy makes one 
 prejudice? To wonder aloud about his associations with people who 
 wish America harm makes on prejudice?
 
 Perhaps I am not being clear.  To disagree with his economic policy 
 is the correct thing to do in a political race.  To woof on and on 
 that he is a long list of scary to your average Joe the Plumber 
 racial or ethnic stereotypes is not.   It is inciting a bias based 
 upon preconceived notions of someone's race, ethnicity, gender, 
 sexuality, size, etc.  That is prejudice.  It like I asked last 
week -
  Why do conservatives always have to incite fear?






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[AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In a message dated 11/2/2008 8:15:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Too bad  it is full of stretches that would make a Yogi proud.  
 
  
 Yep.  Long history of those full of (it) stretches; many of them 
on  record 
 in this group's archives.
  
 A One-Trick Pony throwing gobs of shitake at the wall, hoping some 
will  
 stick and incite.
  
 All fire and heat; little light or enlightenment
 from those who would appeal to our Heart(s) of Darkness rather 
than to  our 
 Better Angels.

No facts, no analysis - just personalizing.

That's what liberals do instead of admitting they are wrong.




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[AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!

Notice that the two links Mario cites below don't deny one fact I 
stated.

Nice try.




--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In a message dated 11/1/2008 8:22:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 He was  registered in school as a Muslim.  NOTE WELL: That schocl 
 required  him to register as one of 5 religions.  One of the five 
was  
 christian.  He registered Muslim.
 
 There is nothing wrong with  being Muslim.  That being true, why 
hide 
 his past?  Isn't his  hiding it the one who is insulting Muslims?
  
 
  
 JR reverts back to a January 2007 article in Insight magazine (a  
publication 
 affiliated with Moon's Washington Times) and smeared around by  Fox-
y News 
 and viral emails.  Back then, the report also claimed Hillary's  
campaign had 
 uncovered the information, but Fox later had to retract the  
Clinton 
 connection.
  
  
 As a six year old, Obama was placed in a Catholic school where he  
studied 
 catechism.  Then when he was 8 years old, his father,  not Obama, 
registered him 
 at a public school open to all faiths.
  
 That and all the other distortions raised by Moon's Insight 
Magazine and  
 spread by Fox are debunked here:   
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp
  
 and several other pages at Snopes:   
 http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/50lies.asp
  
 Abrouhaha among the tabloids, distracting the electorate from real  
issues.  
 Rivals CNN and Fox News Spar Over Obama Report - New York Times 
  
 Statement from the National Council of Churches:   
http://tinyurl.com/5tngmu
  
  
 We are writing to deplore this despicable tactic and set the 
record  
 straight.  
 We have had enough of the slash and burn politics calculated to 
divide us as 
  children of God. 
 We must come together as one nation, and see our stake in each 
other as  
 Americans. 
 The bitter, destructive politics that have so riven our country in 
recent  
 years cannot stand.  
 As American leaders of different faiths - Catholic and Protestant, 
Muslim  
 and Jew - who have worked cooperatively and greatly respect all of 
the 2008  
 candidates in both parties, we do not offer this statement as an 
endorsement of  
 any individual candidate. However, certain moral standards should 
infuse our  
 national dialogue, and the recent attacks on Sen. Obama violate 
values at the 
  heart of this dialogue. The false and malicious attacks levied at 
him are  
 anathema to all of our faith traditions, and we condemn them 
outright.  
 Debunked and Condemned. 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Classic Classic Classic

2008-11-02 Thread sharon_b283

Love your attitude!  I'm with YOU!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In a message dated 10/31/2008 1:02:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Go  against the flow and your invites to parties will dry up.
 You'll be  un-invited to participate on committees, etc...
 ... excommunicated...  exiled... and eventually... locked up.
 
 Sure you want to keep asking  questions about local politics ??
 Guess its safe in your case, go for  it.
  
 ==
  
 The older you get, the freer you are, as long as you last.  Studs
 Terkel 
 (1912-2008)
  
 R.I.P. Studs
  
 Mario, veteran party-goer, committee-phobic, and expecting to be in
lots of  
 good company among the excommunicated.
  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!

In a message dated 11/2/2008 12:57:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Notice that the two links Mario cites below don't deny one fact I
stated.
Nice try.

===

Nice try at denial on your part -- Backatcha.

The links provide the full context for your facts which you cherry-picked
while ignoring those points which don't suit your purposes.

Just a few examples: Catholic school and catechism. Statements from the
administrators of the schools he did attend. His father registered him as
Muslim; the eight-year old boy did not.

The viral emails often begin with a false statement that their facts have
been verified at Snopes when they actually haven't.

My links to Snopes are real and provide the fact checking.

In a message dated 11/2/2008 12:52:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

No facts, no analysis - just personalizing.

The facts, the long history, as Werner pointed out, are in this group's
archives, including your personalized attacks on Skip B (e.g., message #12682)
and Keady (See Keady Resignation Demand thread) among many others.

I went one step further, after analysis, to synthesis: Those who would
appeal to our Heart(s) of Darkness rather than to our Better Angels.

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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!

2008-11-02 Thread Jersey Shore John

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5fd4Ynw7H4

On Nov 2, 2008, at 1:39 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In a message dated 11/2/2008 12:57:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Notice that the two links Mario cites below don't deny one fact I
 stated.
 Nice try.

 ===

 Nice try at denial on your part -- Backatcha.

 The links provide the full context for your facts which you  
 cherry-picked
 while ignoring those points which don't suit your purposes.

 Just a few examples: Catholic school and catechism. Statements from  
 the
 administrators of the schools he did attend. His father registered  
 him as
 Muslim; the eight-year old boy did not.

 The viral emails often begin with a false statement that their  
 facts have
 been verified at Snopes when they actually haven't.

 My links to Snopes are real and provide the fact checking.



 In a message dated 11/2/2008 12:52:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 No facts, no analysis - just personalizing.

 The facts, the long history, as Werner pointed out, are in this  
 group's
 archives, including your personalized attacks on Skip B (e.g.,  
 message #12682)
 and Keady (See Keady Resignation Demand thread) among many others.

 I went one step further, after analysis, to synthesis: Those who would
 appeal to our Heart(s) of Darkness rather than to our Better  
 Angels.






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[AsburyPark] Re: Thinking like this needs to be eliminated in America

Its not thinking at all, but I know what you mean. And beyond
racism, it is evidence of ignorance more than anything. And ignorance
is suffering. There is sometimes temptation in delighting in the
suffering of such people, but they do ultimately need compassion. Try
to imagine the existence of this person. It is not a joyful one. It is
not one that experiences pleasure, truth, beauty or goodness. 

Eckhart Tolle writes about the increasing flowering of consciousness
that is happening in our world, but along side that he also describes
an entrenchment in ignorant attitudes. This poster is clearly an
example of this entrenchment. And he/she is living in profound anger
and fear.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This was posted today on the Asbury Park Press website;
 
 Only the stupid and ignorant white Americans will vote for this
anti-American Negro 
 terrorist Obama. Negro Obama HATES the white middle-class American
people. He has voted 
 for and/or supported all legislative bills to make white
middle-class Americans UN-EM-
 PLOYED.
 
 If Obama thinks he can intimidate the white middle-class with his
HATEFUL policies let 
 Negro Obama BEWARE!
 
 Some day the American peoples' patience will come to an end. And
then you lying and 
 despicable terrorists will be shipped to Africa forever!
 
 
 Comments like that highlight the underlying racism in our country,
and the effect that 
 negative campaigning has had.
 We are never going to advance as a country until this goes away, no
matter who is spewing 
 racism...white, black or anybody. We need to come together as a
nation, not be divided.






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[AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!

Once again we are seeing the inability of the reactionary right to
comprehend complexity and nuance. I can't think of the metaphor for
dealing with something delicate using a sledgehammer but...


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In a message dated 11/2/2008 12:57:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Notice  that the two links Mario cites below don't deny one fact I 
 stated.
 Nice  try.
  
 ===
  
 Nice try at denial on your part -- Backatcha.
  
 The links provide the full context for your facts which you
cherry-picked  
 while ignoring those points which don't suit your purposes.  
  
 Just a few examples: Catholic school and catechism.  Statements from
 the 
 administrators of the schools he did attend.  His father registered
him  as 
 Muslim; the eight-year old boy did not.
  
 The viral emails often begin with a false statement that their facts
have  
 been verified at Snopes when they actually haven't.
  
 My links to Snopes are real and provide the fact checking.
  
  
 
 In a message dated 11/2/2008 12:52:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
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 No  facts, no analysis - just personalizing.
  
 The facts, the long history, as Werner pointed out, are in this
group's  
 archives, including your personalized attacks on Skip B (e.g.,
message #12682)  
 and Keady (See Keady Resignation Demand thread) among many others.
 
  
 I went one step further, after analysis, to synthesis:  Those who 
would 
 appeal to our Heart(s) of Darkness rather than to  our Better 
Angels.
  
  
  
  
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[AsburyPark] Buisnesses closing in AP

I noticed last night that Isabellas was not open and someone let me
know that it is closing (or hoping for a buyer) and that there are
many other shops closing.

Anyone know of any others?

Town was decently busy and cheerful last night. There was some milling
about on the BW as well. I am bummed I missed the halloween party at
Mattison Park...i heard it from home and was told it was a blast.
Still excited about the italian place and langostas opening.

Another call to all AP lovers to spend your money here! Wish there
were a natural food market here.




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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Thinking like this needs to be eliminated in America

How about responsibility? If you live beyond your means that is somehow someone 
else's fault and we have to bail you out. Life is full of stupid mistakes and 
if you are not sure how you should proceed with something get advice.

I feel a chorus of Aquarius coming on. 

--- On Sun, 11/2/08, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

From: Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Thinking like this needs to be eliminated in America
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 2:58 PM

Its not thinking at all, but I know what you mean. And beyond
racism, it is evidence of ignorance more than anything. And ignorance
is suffering. There is sometimes temptation in delighting in the
suffering of such people, but they do ultimately need compassion. Try
to imagine the existence of this person. It is not a joyful one. It is
not one that experiences pleasure, truth, beauty or goodness. 

Eckhart Tolle writes about the increasing flowering of consciousness
that is happening in our world, but along side that he also describes
an entrenchment in ignorant attitudes. This poster is clearly an
example of this entrenchment. And he/she is living in profound anger
and fear.

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:

 This was posted today on the Asbury Park Press website;

 Only the stupid and ignorant white Americans will vote for this
anti-American Negro 
 terrorist Obama. Negro Obama HATES the white middle-class American
people. He has voted 
 for and/or supported all legislative bills to make white
middle-class Americans UN-EM-
 PLOYED.

 If Obama thinks he can intimidate the white middle-class with his
HATEFUL policies let 
 Negro Obama BEWARE!

 Some day the American peoples' patience will come to an end. And
then you lying and 
 despicable terrorists will be shipped to Africa forever!

 Comments like that highlight the underlying racism in our country,
and the effect that 
 negative campaigning has had.
 We are never going to advance as a country until this goes away, no
matter who is spewing 
 racism...white, black or anybody. We need to come together as a
nation, not be divided.

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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Classic Classic Classic

Why would you want to belong to any groups you don't agree with?

--- On Sun, 11/2/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Classic Classic Classic
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 12:12 PM

In a message dated 10/31/2008 1:02:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] com writes:

Go against the flow and your invites to parties will dry up.
You'll be un-invited to participate on committees, etc...
... excommunicated. .. exiled... and eventually.. . locked up.

Sure you want to keep asking questions about local politics ??
Guess its safe in your case, go for it.

 ==

The older you get, the freer you are, as long as you last. Studs Terkel 
(1912-2008)

R.I.P. Studs

Mario, veteran party-goer, committee-phobic, and expecting to be in lots of 
good company among the excommunicated.

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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!

You can no he's not all you like. Taking from people who earn their money and 
giviong it to people who don't is Socialism. You are also among those that 
think he is going to lower taxes for 95% or teh population. Not if he plans on 
doing what he promises. Of course he could just be tellign abig fib but 
politicains never do that.

--- On Sun, 11/2/08, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

From: Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 10:14 AM

No he's not. You can easily find things in the Bush world that can be called 
socialist. You 
can call the bailout socialist. McCain presents ideas that can be viewed as 
socialist.
So, there you go, jumping on the buzzword of the moment bandwagon.

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Mike Hemeon tvnetdude2000@ ... wrote:

 Not for nothing but can't any of you people think for yourselves? Obama is a 
 Socialist.

 --- On Sat, 11/1/08, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:

 From: Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
 Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 12:42 PM

 I think the bigger problem is that we live our lives via soundbytes that we 
 hear on TV.
 We have dumbed ourselves down to the point where a 10 to 60 second piece of 
 information is all we need to form an opinion. If you like FOX news, and you 
 hear 
 somebody say Obama is a socialist then you believe it.
 There's also a big problem, in my opinion, with the overabundance of 24/7 
 news 
outlets. I 
 believe that people are dumbed down to the point of not realizing that most, 
 if not all 
 have an agenda, and are being used for propaganda. MSNBC's morning shows tend 
 to 
 favor McCain just like FOX. They all have some kind of agenda, although I 
 find CNN and 
 BBC to be the least partisan.
 We also tend to let others do the thinking for us. We sit our asses on our 
 couches and 
let 
 others tell us what's right and wrong. Our own desire to create a convenient 
 lifestyle is 
 part of our downfall. It shows up in our waist bands as well as our knowledge 
 of the 
world.
 And, it's no wonder that our kids test scores are low compared to the rest of 
 the world, 
 because entire generations have been raised on soundbytes and distractions.
 Kids in America who are doing their homework on computers are constantly 
 distracted 
by 
 text messages, IMs, Facebook, myspace and on and on. And when they aren't 
 doing 
that, 
 they are watching TV that brings them the world in a face paced edited way. I 
 recently 
 heard a report on NPR in which a worldwide study was done to see if 
 multitasking helps, 
 or hurts kids. Overwhelmingly the conclusion is that it hurts them, because 
 it doesn't 
allow 
 connections to be made or acquired knowledge to sink in. But kids think they 
 are better 
 and smarter because they can multitask, which is a false idea.

 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ ... wrote:

  Even if they don't stoke it, they benefit from it. This kind of
  behavior happens at all levels. Women/girls do it to one another all
  the time through gossip. The first time I recall an example..Sonya
  doesn't wear underwear! in like third grade. 

  A woman in an Asbury bar last week said to me But Obama is an Arab
  and we are fighting Arabs. Another said Isn't it true he has NEVER
  really worked.

  Americans loathe thinking for some reason. Its on both sides. And we
  love to think we are separate from others. We also stop being open to
  growth and discovery as adults and therefore repeat obvious untruths,
  like Obama is a Socialist. Mike still thinks so bless his heart. Its a
  problem of consciousness.

  --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:

   I don't think McCain or Palin have personally fueled the racist
  fire, but some of their 
   supporters definitely have. I also applaud McCain for confronting
  people at his events that 
   have suggested that Obama is a Muslim.

   To that point, it really disturbs me about how many Americans got
  caught up in the 
   Muslim rhetoric, and furthermore, it's terrible that in doing so, it
  branded the whole 
   Muslim religion as bad for those who wish to think so, which is a
  horrible thing for our 
   citizens to to. I bet a vast majority of these people don't know a
  single thing about the 
   Muslim religion.

   At the same time, there are people attending McCain/Palin events
  that are putting out 
   racist thoughts. Here's an example...listen to the guy at 23 seconds in;

   http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=zRqcfqiXCX0

   And, if you search on youtube for McCain, racism, you'll see lot's
  more, and it's disgusting.
   There was a video in which a guy actually looked right at the camera
  and called Obama an 
   N word, but fortunately it was removed from

[AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!

Once again Mike, I beg you to explain to me how and why the Financial
Times and the Economist would endorse a Socialist? You simply must
know nothing of those two sources and/or read as many periodicals as
Sara Palin.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hemeon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You can no he's not all you like. Taking from people who earn
their money and giviong it to people who don't is Socialism. You are
also among those that think he is going to lower taxes for 95% or teh
population. Not if he plans on doing what he promises. Of course he
could just be tellign abig fib but politicains never do that.
 
 --- On Sun, 11/2/08, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 From: Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!
 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 10:14 AM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 No he's not. You can easily find things in the Bush world that can
be called socialist. You 
 can call the bailout socialist. McCain presents ideas that can be
viewed as socialist.
 So, there you go, jumping on the buzzword of the moment bandwagon.
 
 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Mike Hemeon tvnetdude2000@ ...
wrote:
 
  Not for nothing but can't any of you people think for yourselves?
Obama is a Socialist.
   
  
  --- On Sat, 11/1/08, Jack Pitzer hinge98@  wrote:
  
  From: Jack Pitzer hinge98@ 
  Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
  Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 12:42 PM
  
  
  
  
  
  
  I think the bigger problem is that we live our lives via
soundbytes that we hear on TV.
  We have dumbed ourselves down to the point where a 10 to 60 second
piece of 
  information is all we need to form an opinion. If you like FOX
news, and you hear 
  somebody say Obama is a socialist then you believe it.
  There's also a big problem, in my opinion, with the overabundance
of 24/7 news 
 outlets. I 
  believe that people are dumbed down to the point of not realizing
that most, if not all 
  have an agenda, and are being used for propaganda. MSNBC's morning
shows tend to 
  favor McCain just like FOX. They all have some kind of agenda,
although I find CNN and 
  BBC to be the least partisan.
  We also tend to let others do the thinking for us. We sit our
asses on our couches and 
 let 
  others tell us what's right and wrong. Our own desire to create a
convenient lifestyle is 
  part of our downfall. It shows up in our waist bands as well as
our knowledge of the 
 world.
  And, it's no wonder that our kids test scores are low compared to
the rest of the world, 
  because entire generations have been raised on soundbytes and
distractions.
  Kids in America who are doing their homework on computers are
constantly distracted 
 by 
  text messages, IMs, Facebook, myspace and on and on. And when they
aren't doing 
 that, 
  they are watching TV that brings them the world in a face paced
edited way. I recently 
  heard a report on NPR in which a worldwide study was done to see
if multitasking helps, 
  or hurts kids. Overwhelmingly the conclusion is that it hurts
them, because it doesn't 
 allow 
  connections to be made or acquired knowledge to sink in. But kids
think they are better 
  and smarter because they can multitask, which is a false idea.
  
  --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Gabrielle Obre
gabrielleobre@ ... wrote:
  
   Even if they don't stoke it, they benefit from it. This kind of
   behavior happens at all levels. Women/girls do it to one another all
   the time through gossip. The first time I recall an example..Sonya
   doesn't wear underwear! in like third grade. 
   
   A woman in an Asbury bar last week said to me But Obama is an Arab
   and we are fighting Arabs. Another said Isn't it true he has NEVER
   really worked.
   
   Americans loathe thinking for some reason. Its on both sides. And we
   love to think we are separate from others. We also stop being
open to
   growth and discovery as adults and therefore repeat obvious
untruths,
   like Obama is a Socialist. Mike still thinks so bless his heart.
Its a
   problem of consciousness.
   
   --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
   
I don't think McCain or Palin have personally fueled the racist
   fire, but some of their 
supporters definitely have. I also applaud McCain for confronting
   people at his events that 
have suggested that Obama is a Muslim.

To that point, it really disturbs me about how many Americans got
   caught up in the 
Muslim rhetoric, and furthermore, it's terrible that in doing
so, it
   branded the whole 
Muslim religion as bad for those who wish to think so, which is a
   horrible thing for our 
citizens to to. I bet a vast majority of these people don't know a
   single thing about the 
Muslim religion.

At the same time, there are people attending McCain/Palin events
   that are putting out 
racist thoughts. Here's an

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!

There is a fundemental problem with this election and that the media has taken 
sides on it.
What is good for one should be good for another and that has not happened once 
in this campaign. Sick of hearing about racism. Tell me that there isn't black 
racism or every other kind. If you say anything about Obama or don't vote for 
him you are a racist. This has to stop or the backlash will be nasty. You have 
Reverend Wright, Farrakhan, Jesse Jackson, to name a few that are the racist 
racists you can find. If McCain had the head of the KKK endorsing him it would 
be the end but Obama gets a pass. Well he doesn't share their views. Why 
wouldn't that fly with McCain and the KKK? 
 
The Arabs are the same people, that believe in the same religion, and they 
still hate and kill each other. I want to know what country that you think does 
not have some form of racism. I enjoyed it when fat Al Sharpton was asked that 
question and all he had was that stupid look he gets when he doesn't have an 
answer. Then you have his wife stating she is only now proud of this country? 
 
Racism is continues in this country because of rants like those Sharon 
generates. I don't give a damn what happened a few hundreds of years ago. You 
live here and now and either you are an American or you are not. I am sure 
there are people on this thread that woudl liek to speak their minds but would 
have to listen to a barrage of bullshit.  
 
Take the terms racism and bigot out of any conversation and they have nothing 
to say. No one can speak because they have to listen to this crap 
 


--- On Sun, 11/2/08, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

From: Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 10:12 AM






Obviously, you just skimmed, because you missed when I wrote this ...only to 
come home 
to a country where racism is alive and well,
and that includes things said by the Rev. Wright, but, for me, it's easy to see 
where his
brand of racism came from...
I also maintain that much of the hatred for Rev. Wright comes from soundbytes. 
Yes, he 
sad bad things, but they are isolated pieces. Believe it or not, if you listen 
to his sermons 
in their entirety, which you'd probably never do, you'd also hear him say 
positive things as 
well, but we live in a negative world, and McCain has spent his entire campaign 
pushing 
negativity.
And what about you? For weeks, you felt that it was perfectly normal to refer 
to Obama 
only by his middle name...

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Mike Hemeon tvnetdude2000@ ... wrote:

 The racist fire how come you never mention Reverend Wright? A member of the 
 crowd 
yells racist comments and this is a big deal. Someone McCain and Palin don't 
even know, 
can't even see, does it and it is there fault somehow. Reverend Wright, someone 
Obama 
knows for 20 years as a personal friend and attends his church does it, and 
there is no 
problem here.  When something doesn't please Obama he whines about it this will 
come in 
handy if he is the next President. He is too weak to be President he will be 
walked all over 
in the same manner Jimmy Carter was. Jimmy Carter was four years fo hell and 
swept out 
he door after four.
  
  
 
 
 --- On Sat, 11/1/08, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
 
 From: Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
 Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 11:46 AM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 I don't think McCain or Palin have personally fueled the racist fire, but 
 some of their 
 supporters definitely have. I also applaud McCain for confronting people at 
 his events 
that 
 have suggested that Obama is a Muslim.
 
 To that point, it really disturbs me about how many Americans got caught up 
 in the 
 Muslim rhetoric, and furthermore, it's terrible that in doing so, it branded 
 the whole 
 Muslim religion as bad for those who wish to think so, which is a horrible 
 thing for our 
 citizens to to. I bet a vast majority of these people don't know a single 
 thing about the 
 Muslim religion.
 
 At the same time, there are people attending McCain/Palin events that are 
 putting out 
 racist thoughts. Here's an example...listen to the guy at 23 seconds in;
 
 http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=zRqcfqiXCX0
 
 And, if you search on youtube for McCain, racism, you'll see lot's more, and 
 it's 
disgusting.
 There was a video in which a guy actually looked right at the camera and 
 called Obama 
an 
 N word, but fortunately it was removed from YouTube. I was going to post it 
 here 
 Tommy didn't believe it existed.
 
 But, you don't just have to use the N word to stir the racist fire. Watch 
 that whole video 
 above. Watch as what appears to be a nice old lady starts off with her racist 
 statement.
 This is something that invalidates the concept that America is the greatest 
 country on 
 earth
 
 When I was

[AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hemeon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Once again why can't you think for yourself. 

I do Mike. Few people who know me would suggest otherwise. I also
defer to those far more intelligent than me when appropriate and feel
secure that two bastions of free market journalism wouldn't endorse a
socialist. Now I know you have never read either.

We are in recession

we deserve a recession

and wonder boy is going to raise taxes.

not on me, i make less than 200k

 Perhaps this country needs a depression it will put things back in
perspective for people who can't control their own lives. He plans on
pulling out of Iraq and what do you think will happen then? No, I
really want to knwo what you think will happen when we pull out of Iraq.


haven't a clue. aside from not being a reader of the future, I am no
foreign policy, middle east tribal expert. I do know we never should
have been there to begin with...let me guess, you think saddam had
something to do with 911.


 The same thing that happened in Vietnam and that was thousands of
people were slaughtered and there wasn't one liberal out there to
protest. 

so i suppose you don't care about the thousands of American soldiers
who have died needlessly?
  
 Taking money you earn away simply because you had the ambition to
try to make something of yourself will kill incentive in this country.
Hell why go to college there is free money out there. 

i've known enough people with lots of cash who haven't made anything
of themselves. just rich, miserable and surrounded by wannabees and
whores. I never seek out education to make something of myself I do
it for pleasure, curiosity and to better understand the world I live in
  
 The country has been dumbed down to a dangerous level. 


yeah, you are evidence of that, not to mention the racist coiled up in
your sad soul


  
 
 --- On Sun, 11/2/08, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 From: Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!
 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 4:19 PM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Once again Mike, I beg you to explain to me how and why the Financial
 Times and the Economist would endorse a Socialist? You simply must
 know nothing of those two sources and/or read as many periodicals as
 Sara Palin.
 
 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Mike Hemeon tvnetdude2000@ ...
wrote:
 
  You can no he's not all you like. Taking from people who earn
 their money and giviong it to people who don't is Socialism. You are
 also among those that think he is going to lower taxes for 95% or teh
 population. Not if he plans on doing what he promises. Of course he
 could just be tellign abig fib but politicains never do that.
  
  --- On Sun, 11/2/08, Jack Pitzer hinge98@  wrote:
  
  From: Jack Pitzer hinge98@ 
  Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
  Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 10:14 AM
  
  
  
  
  
  
  No he's not. You can easily find things in the Bush world that can
 be called socialist. You 
  can call the bailout socialist. McCain presents ideas that can be
 viewed as socialist.
  So, there you go, jumping on the buzzword of the moment bandwagon.
  
  --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Mike Hemeon tvnetdude2000@ ...
 wrote:
  
   Not for nothing but can't any of you people think for yourselves?
 Obama is a Socialist.
    
   
   --- On Sat, 11/1/08, Jack Pitzer hinge98@  wrote:
   
   From: Jack Pitzer hinge98@ 
   Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
   Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 12:42 PM
   
   
   
   
   
   
   I think the bigger problem is that we live our lives via
 soundbytes that we hear on TV.
   We have dumbed ourselves down to the point where a 10 to 60 second
 piece of 
   information is all we need to form an opinion. If you like FOX
 news, and you hear 
   somebody say Obama is a socialist then you believe it.
   There's also a big problem, in my opinion, with the overabundance
 of 24/7 news 
  outlets. I 
   believe that people are dumbed down to the point of not realizing
 that most, if not all 
   have an agenda, and are being used for propaganda. MSNBC's morning
 shows tend to 
   favor McCain just like FOX. They all have some kind of agenda,
 although I find CNN and 
   BBC to be the least partisan.
   We also tend to let others do the thinking for us. We sit our
 asses on our couches and 
  let 
   others tell us what's right and wrong. Our own desire to create a
 convenient lifestyle is 
   part of our downfall. It shows up in our waist bands as well as
 our knowledge of the 
  world.
   And, it's no wonder that our kids test scores are low compared to
 the rest of the world, 
   because entire generations have been raised on soundbytes and
 distractions.
   Kids in America who are doing their homework on computers are
 constantly distracted 
  by 
   text messages,

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!

In a message dated 11/2/2008 3:02:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Once  again we are seeing the inability of the reactionary right to
comprehend  complexity and nuance. 
 
=
 
 
Then again, there's the Audacity of Hope in this list, notable  Republican 
and conservative support for Barack Obama in 2008  at  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obama_Republican
 
 
which is more revealing than the huge list here :
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obama_endorsements
 
 
McCain could have chosen from among many highly qualified candidates  to run 
with, but he chose to pander to that sliver of  reactionaries (Palin's base 
now)  for whom Bloomberg, Lieberman  (Jews), and Romney (a Mormon), for 
example, 
were not acceptable.
 
Maverick?
 
So from among five women finalists (Meg Whitman, the former chief executive  
of eBay; Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice; Carleton Fiorina, the former 
chief  executive of Hewlett-Packard; Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison, Republican  
of 
Texas; and Sarah Palin), he chose Palin.
 
Country first?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!

hey, thanks for this list...i was looking for something like this. I
do have to say that there was a time I would have been happy to have
McCain as a prez. Truly.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In a message dated 11/2/2008 3:02:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Once  again we are seeing the inability of the reactionary right to
 comprehend  complexity and nuance. 
  
 =
  
  
 Then again, there's the Audacity of Hope in this list, notable 
Republican 
 and conservative support for Barack Obama in 2008  at  
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obama_Republican
  
  
 which is more revealing than the huge list here :
  
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obama_endorsements
  
  
 McCain could have chosen from among many highly qualified candidates
 to run 
 with, but he chose to pander to that sliver of  reactionaries
(Palin's base 
 now)  for whom Bloomberg, Lieberman  (Jews), and Romney (a Mormon),
for example, 
 were not acceptable.
  
 Maverick?
  
 So from among five women finalists (Meg Whitman, the former chief
executive  
 of eBay; Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice; Carleton Fiorina, the
former 
 chief  executive of Hewlett-Packard; Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison,
Republican  of 
 Texas; and Sarah Palin), he chose Palin.
  
 Country first?
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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[AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!

I never see the personalizing.  It seems that not agreeing 100% 
with Tommy is personalizing.  I've also noticed this trend within the 
Republican party.  Hate means never having to stand behind the facts.
Jennifer the ethnic Druid.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In a message dated 11/2/2008 12:57:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Notice  that the two links Mario cites below don't deny one fact I 
 stated.
 Nice  try.
  
 ===
  
 Nice try at denial on your part -- Backatcha.
  
 The links provide the full context for your facts which you 
cherry-picked  
 while ignoring those points which don't suit your purposes.  
  
 Just a few examples: Catholic school and catechism.  Statements 
from  the 
 administrators of the schools he did attend.  His father registered 
him  as 
 Muslim; the eight-year old boy did not.
  
 The viral emails often begin with a false statement that their 
facts have  
 been verified at Snopes when they actually haven't.
  
 My links to Snopes are real and provide the fact checking.
  
  
 
 In a message dated 11/2/2008 12:52:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 No  facts, no analysis - just personalizing.
  
 The facts, the long history, as Werner pointed out, are in this 
group's  
 archives, including your personalized attacks on Skip B (e.g., 
message #12682)  
 and Keady (See Keady Resignation Demand thread) among many others.
 
  
 I went one step further, after analysis, to synthesis:  Those who  
would 
 appeal to our Heart(s) of Darkness rather than to  our Better  
Angels.
  
  
  
  
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Statements from  the 
 administrators of the schools he did attend.  His father registered 
him  as 
 Muslim; the eight-year old boy did not.


All children are the religion their parents choose for them.  His 
parents chose to make him a Muslim.  At 28 he changed that.

Once again, who is being prejudiced to Musllims?  Barack Obama is.  He 
is hiding his past when he has no reason to other than prejudice.




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[AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 I never see the personalizing.  It seems that not agreeing 100% 
 with Tommy is personalizing.  

So Jenn, tell me - and be honest - where in this sentence is he 
talking about an issue, or is he just attacking me:


 Yep. Long history of those full of (it) stretches; many of them
on record
 in this group's archives.


And the next sentence:


 A One-Trick Pony throwing gobs of shitake at the wall, hoping some
will
 stick and incite.

And the next sentence:


 All fire and heat; little light or enlightenment


And the next:

 from those who would appeal to our Heart(s) of Darkness rather
than to our
 Better Angels.



If you are being honest, you'll admit his whole post has no issue, no 
facts, rather just his opinions about me personally.

What say you about that?





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Re: [AsburyPark] Buisnesses closing in AP

2008-11-02 Thread Allan Peterson

I was going to post and ask about Isabellas.  I am a bit surprised because it 
always seemed busy.  Then again I could just be seeing the weekend evening and 
weekdays and lunch could be an issue.

 




From: Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 2, 2008 3:28:49 PM
Subject: [AsburyPark] Buisnesses closing in AP


I noticed last night that Isabellas was not open and someone let me
know that it is closing (or hoping for a buyer) and that there are
many other shops closing.

Anyone know of any others?

Town was decently busy and cheerful last night. There was some milling
about on the BW as well. I am bummed I missed the halloween party at
Mattison Park...i heard it from home and was told it was a blast.
Still excited about the italian place and langostas opening.

Another call to all AP lovers to spend your money here! Wish there
were a natural food market here.

 


  

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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!

In a message dated 11/2/2008 7:28:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

If you are being honest, you'll admit his whole post has no issue, no
facts, rather just his opinions about me personally.

What say you about that?

If you are being honest, can you say you read my follow-up post (message
41749) where I answered your objections?

Excerpts:

The links provide the full context for your facts which you cherry-picked
while ignoring those points which don't suit your purposes.

Just a few examples: Catholic school and catechism. Statements from the
administrators of the schools he did attend. His father registered him as
Muslim; the eight-year old boy did not.

The viral emails often begin with a false statement that their facts have
been verified at Snopes when they actually haven't.

My links to Snopes are real and provide the fact checking..

The facts, the long history, as Werner pointed out, are in this group's
archives, including your personalized attacks on Skip B (e.g., message
#12682)
and Keady (See Keady Resignation Demand thread) among many others.

I went one step further, after analysis, to synthesis: Those who would
appeal to our Heart(s) of Darkness rather than to our Better Angels.

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[AsburyPark] DNFTT and the Stars

In a message dated 10/29/2008 10:10:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
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werner,  we are all trolls.
=
 
We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.   Oscar 
Wilde
 
==
 
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Do not  feed the trolls and its abbreviation DNFTT 
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