[AsburyPark] Re: Just Waded Through...

2008-11-24 Thread New Beetoap
Im talking about improvement since the last time I came down in the 
summer. You and others seem to be stuck in this nostalgic - its 
better then it was- routine.

Cant you see things from another perspective.

There should be HUGE improvement since Memorial Day. Hell they missed 
that mark and then said it would all be done by Labor Day.

Its November NOW... 

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@ 
wrote:
 
  
  Over 400 postings - Most of it BS (religion, poitics, arguing)
  
  I looked forward to a HUGE improvement 
  on my next visit.
 
 
 HEre's an improvement - Stella Marina opened and Lagosta.
 
 Before all this bs, lagosta to me (and tommy) was Martell's arcade, 
then Bob Asay's shop 
 for building his great boats because the pavillons were falling 
down (actually crumbling).
 
 First ave pav was an arcade, me with dogs/pizza etc (then HV's), 
Kohrs and Criterion ad 
 bathrooms for the public. The casino was boarded up, the boardwalk 
caving in the 
 empress a whore house cookman boarded up, CH not a beer nor cosmo 
in sight more 
 hookers on kingsley then people on the boardwalk and you really had 
to have balls to 
 drive around first. second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, and 
seventh ave... you had to make 
 sure youhad a spare tire not if, but when you got a flat driving 
down ocean ave, wipe 
 away the fear tog et out and change the tire. but there was always 
a good samaritan 
 looking for a coffee at 1am to change it for you,,,
 
 Sure the city over the years (not just since Partners or MM) had 
every huckster and REAL 
 developers come to town only to walk away. They either were shook 
down so bad, 
 realized that business had to be done a certain way or people had 
no f'in clue
 
 So today you might have what the experienced over the years see -
 improvement in a 
 certain way that we either like or hate.  How much improvement 
will you see by next 
 summer?
 
 List what you'd like to see
 
 Let's start simple, like plant grass on all the vacant lots in the 
redevelopment zone. 
 Nothing fancy. you don't eve have to plant it. Just throw the seeds 
down.
 
 And on the budget - kind of hard to do a budget when you know off 
the start you have 
 NO (not enough) money coming in and obligations up the rear...maybe 
the cty should 
 auction off all their archives of old plans that were REAL for 
Cookman ave, the 
 boardwalk... 
 
 Maybe go plead to the feds that they need some of that $70 billon 
in loans for to cover 
 mismangement and everything elseGM, FORD and CHRYSLER should  
be one - 
 American Motors (recal AMCand the gremlin?






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[AsburyPark] Re: Just Waded Through...

2008-11-24 Thread New Beetoap
How about what they claimed would be delivered for starters?

All the boardwalk buildings completed and business in them.
A beach club with a swimming pool
The casino being repaired
Convention center restored


I agee that the Casino is the key thing. A shame they tore it down 
and are now dragging their feet with whats left.

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wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote:
 
  
  List what you'd like to see
  
 
 Won't happen, but since the question was unconditional, a new 
Casino.
 
 As bad as the unfinished condos and construction sites look, most 
of them are inland. You 
 see a construction site surrounded by asphalt streets or sidewalks, 
there is a level of 
 continuity and logic to it. You can work around it. However, the 
site of a rusting stone and 
 steel foundation for a demolished building has a starker and more 
jarring visual effect on 
 sand, next to the ocean. Particularly when you want people to feel 
comfortable recreating 
 on that sand with their friends and family. 
 
 Does a parent want their kid building sand castles if there's a 
possibility a tetanus-
 inducing rusty nail or pipe could be in that sand? Are people going 
to want to play 
 volleyball or frisbee, which often involves diving full-body into 
the sand, if they think they 
 might land on a nail or broken glass? Whether everything has been 
done to clean the 
 beach or not, impressions matter.
 
 This goes for the north end of Ocean Grove as well. They have to 
deal with that mess on 
 some level too.
 
 The beach is your number one draw in summer. Live music is number 
two. Fix that Casino, 
 and you kill two birds with one stone.






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[AsburyPark] Re: The Park...

2008-11-24 Thread New Beetoap
Why cant they turn one of those parking lots into a rink?
Ive seen temporary rinks go up with no problem.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
 
  Wow. Super cool.
  Wouldn't it be a great treat if we had a winter skating rink? Maybe
 where the hay maze 
  currently sits?
  Of course, it makes me wonder how many people still have ice skates.
 I don't, but I'd buy 
  some if we had a skating rink a few blocks from where I live.
  
  
 I suggested this last year similar to the temporary ice rink that is
 set up in Bryant Park every year. I suggested Bradley Park/Atlantic
 Square but yes, there are green spaces. Costs a pretty penny. MM
 should think of it. Put it right where the pool club is supposed to
 go. But we cannot even get MM to pay what it owes already.






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[AsburyPark] Re: Knock, Knock...Hellooo....

2008-11-24 Thread New Beetoap
I have to agree with that - I just went through another 50 or so 
posts with no meat on them.

What is it with the members of this group - love to divert things 
away from the issues you all face - and they are serious from what I 
can tell.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 
 ... Is there any intelligent life here?
 
 After months of Political horror, followed by Religious/Holiday
 browbeating. We are now looking at reams of posts on
 accommodations and alleged [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s.
 
 Just when the discussions were getting to the most critical issues 
in
 Asbury Park, the Budget and Redevelopment, the tide is turned again.
 
 A pattern reveals itself... Every time the discussion returns to
 Asbury Park centric issues, baiting and trolling ensues. Inevitably
 someone takes the bait and, zooom... to the moon... the topic gets
 hijacked and off to the ozone it goes.
 
 One need only look at the archives and the usual suspects become
 evident. One has to wonder what the motivation is for steering the
 board constantly away from critical issues?
 
 Coincidence, or an underlying plan to instill discord and avoid
 specific topics? I'm all for open discussion but the pattern is too
 obvious to ignore.
 
 My concern for Asbury Park's future motivates me to ask everyone 
take
 a hard critical look at the state of the City, the Budget,
 Redevelopment...
 
 Please make that a priority instead of endless debates.
 
 Werner






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[AsburyPark] Re: Stone Pony Closing for Repairs....

2008-11-24 Thread New Beetoap
Now thats a shame its one of the only authentic music venues left.

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wrote:

 
 
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/11/stone_pony_closing_for_repair
s.\
 html
 
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/11/stone_pony_closing_for_repai
rs\
 .html
 
 Will they get a SIDEWALK like the venues that are staying, or will 
their
 repairs be torn down for eminent domain?
 
 Enquiring minds want to know.
 
 
 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Knock, Knock...Hellooo....

2008-11-24 Thread justifiedright
Newbie you don't think the relationship between gay and straight 
people in Asbury Park is an important topic with meat on it?

They just held a symposium on the subject at Monmouth College which 
was covered in the Press.

Not important for us though?

Well excuse me for discussing an issue you personally find so 
terrible unimportant.

So how about those beachfront lights then?



--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 I have to agree with that - I just went through another 50 or so 
 posts with no meat on them.
 
 What is it with the members of this group - love to divert things 
 away from the issues you all face - and they are serious from what 
I 
 can tell.
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ 
 wrote:
 
  
  ... Is there any intelligent life here?
  
  After months of Political horror, followed by Religious/Holiday
  browbeating. We are now looking at reams of posts on
  accommodations and alleged [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s.
  
  Just when the discussions were getting to the most critical 
issues 
 in
  Asbury Park, the Budget and Redevelopment, the tide is turned 
again.
  
  A pattern reveals itself... Every time the discussion returns to
  Asbury Park centric issues, baiting and trolling ensues. 
Inevitably
  someone takes the bait and, zooom... to the moon... the topic 
gets
  hijacked and off to the ozone it goes.
  
  One need only look at the archives and the usual suspects become
  evident. One has to wonder what the motivation is for steering 
the
  board constantly away from critical issues?
  
  Coincidence, or an underlying plan to instill discord and avoid
  specific topics? I'm all for open discussion but the pattern is 
too
  obvious to ignore.
  
  My concern for Asbury Park's future motivates me to ask everyone 
 take
  a hard critical look at the state of the City, the Budget,
  Redevelopment...
  
  Please make that a priority instead of endless debates.
  
  Werner
 






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[AsburyPark] Re: Stone Pony Closing for Repairs....

2008-11-24 Thread oakdorf
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Now thats a shame its one of the only authentic music venues left.
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dapawprint dapawprint@ 
 wrote:
 
 

HAve you ever been in there??

now that my daughter has been there, I've warned her to be by a door.

It needs some work. It IS a draw and will continue to be a draw. Just
needs some work.




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[AsburyPark] Re: Support Asbury Park's Budding Actors - Tonight in Manasquan

2008-11-24 Thread radio881gal
If you haven't seen the 11th and 12 graders from APHS in the first 
play produced at APHS in 10 years, you have one more opportunity 
tonight at the Algonquin Arts Center in Manasquan, at 7 pm. 
  I saw the show Friday night and it was amazing! These kids are 
like seasoned actors - not one flubbed a line that I could tell. And 
they are so into doing this. I asked one boy what it was like doing 
his role and he said it was really tough playing a student still 
high from smoking pot the night before. He said he'd never taken any 
of that stuff, so he had to work hard to really think about how he 
should act, to slur his words and act goofy, to be believeable. He 
did a pratfall in the opening act that was worthy of Jerry Lewis.
 You can see a cast picture and hear them introduce themselves 
at AsburyRadio.com.
Hope you catch it tonight.
Best,
Maureen  

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 Tonight  Tomorrow Night Support Asbury Youth 
 
  
 Two Opportunities this weekend to support the future actors of 
Asbury 
 Park
 
 Asbury Park resident Gary Kilmer has been volunteering afternoons 
to 
 introduce kids to acting and the performing arts. And they're 
putting 
 on a show!!!
 
 Next Friday and Saturday (November 21 and 22), at 8pm, the 
students 
 will present Voices From The High School (a play by Peter Dee), 
the 
 first play done at Asbury Park High in nearly 10 years!! They have 
 worked very hard, and in my humble opinion, they have already 
 succeeded.
 
 Friday, November 21 and Saturday, Nov. 22
 8pm Asbury Park High School - 1003 Sunset Avenue
 Monday performance at Algonquin Arts Center in Manasquan (7 p.m.).
 
 Tickets - $5.00 adults, $3.00 for students
 
 Please…show up.
 Please…cheer loudly.
 Please…support with your presence.
 Please…afterwards, tell them thank you and that you had a nice 
time.
 Please… recognize that the Bravo! you shout is as much for the 
 effort as it is for the product.
 They deserve it….THEY showed up.






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[AsburyPark] Re: Knock, Knock...Hellooo....

2008-11-24 Thread wernerapnj
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Newbie you don't think the relationship between gay and straight 
 people in Asbury Park is an important topic with meat on it?
 
 They just held a symposium on the subject at Monmouth College which 
 was covered in the Press.
 
 Not important for us though?
 
 Well excuse me for discussing an issue you personally find so 
 terrible unimportant.
 
 So how about those beachfront lights then?
 
==

There's a form of that word 'personal..' again. One has to wonder
about double standards.

As to the LIGHTS . I'll bite AGAIN...

A few posts back the question was asked about what can be done about
intrusive lighting. I've posted numerous resources on the topic.

Well here's my offer, anyone willing to seriously address the issue
kindly contact me privately by email or phone and if we can get a core
group together we may be able to effect some positive change in the
way things are handled.

There you go, an open invitation, .

Werner




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[AsburyPark] Re: Just Waded Through...

2008-11-24 Thread wernerapnj
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 How about what they claimed would be delivered for starters?
 
 All the boardwalk buildings completed and business in them.
 A beach club with a swimming pool
 The casino being repaired
 Convention center restored
 
 
 I agee that the Casino is the key thing. A shame they tore it down 
 and are now dragging their feet with whats left.
 
==

Direct and on point, without all the local stickyness of 'its better,
I like that, they are spending money...etc'. 

As City Historian I advocated for the Casino to be the FIRST thing
addressed. At the time it was still Public Property and NOT tied up in
litigation.

There were Federal and State Grant monies available for restoration.
The Casino is the beachside front door to Asbury Park. Thats where
Berman Development Co. would have made the largest impact.
Unfortunately the new council went the 'Weldon Way'

One would think that if the 'Developers' have the money her say it
would serve them well to start restoring the part that's left at the
very least.

They are mandated to restore the exterior shell to its original
grandeur. Whats the schedule on that ?

Werner




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[AsburyPark] Re: Just Waded Through...

2008-11-24 Thread wernerapnj
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 How about what they claimed would be delivered for starters?
 
 All the boardwalk buildings completed and business in them.
 A beach club with a swimming pool
 The casino being repaired
 Convention center restored
 
 
 I agee that the Casino is the key thing. A shame they tore it down 
 and are now dragging their feet with whats left.
 
==

Direct and on point, without all the local stickyness of 'its better,
I like that, they are spending money...etc'. 

As City Historian I advocated for the Casino to be the FIRST thing
addressed. At the time it was still Public Property and NOT tied up in
litigation.

There were Federal and State Grant monies available for restoration.
The Casino is the beachside front door to Asbury Park. Thats where
Berman Development Co. would have made the largest impact.
Unfortunately the new council went the 'Weldon Way'

One would think that if the 'Developers' have the money they claim it
would serve them well to start restoring the part that's left at the
very least.

They are mandated to restore the exterior shell to its original
grandeur. Whats the schedule on that ?

Werner




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[AsburyPark] Re: Friday night at Watermark then Sellas...

2008-11-24 Thread justifiedright
Followed your lead Oak and went to both places last night.

Let me say that Asbury Park's boardwalk is fast becoming better than it 
ever was, at any time in its history.  Credit Mottola and Fishman's LLC.

Disclaimer: If the high-end retail draws a crowd, that is.  Time will 
tell.  It was my idea to go that way in triCity years before AP heard 
the name Mottola, so I'm rooting for it.

If high retail doesn't work, at the very least the old is being taken 
out of the buildings, which was sorely needed.

Slowly but surely, Asbury Park is shedding its Art-Wrecko beachfront 
archetecture.

Watermark was great.  I felt as though I was walking into a NYC 
establishment with an Ocean View.  Finally, the City really is meeting 
the Sea.  No longer just a slogan.

So comfortable. Music was low enough that we could talk without raising 
our voices.  Really felt like we were sitting in a living room.

Only knock was the 15 minutes it took to bring us our drinks - two were 
pop-opens.  There was only two other sets of customeers so they weren't 
busy.  Chalk it up to opening pains.  Will go back.

Stella Marina is beautifully appointed. Very pretty.

One complaint though - the food was small.  

Maybe that's an Italian thing.  We feed people until they can't take it 
anymore, then we fill thier plate againl.  A guy named Mottola should 
know better.

I don't rule the world though, so maybe others don't mind small food 
and it will be OK.  After all, I'm fat.

I ordered a supersata appatizer.  $8 gave me 6 see-through slices cut 
with a razor blade.  I usually put more than that on one cracker.  Next 
time bring me a big hunk of meat and a knife.

I had escorole (pronounce 'shcadawl')and beans soup.

Taste was second best in the world next to my mothers.  It had a nice 
spicey kick. Loved it.

Again though - not enough spoonfuls.

Made a peanut butter sandwich when I came home.

Few weeks ago we tried Pop's Garage!  LOVED IT.  GREAT TASTING MEXICAN 
FOOD AND MARILYN FILLED ME UP (no small task).

Can't wait to try Langosta.








--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Quick note:
 
 Watermark very neat upstairs. Gret fireplace anc chairs.
 
 Kind of tough with yet even smaller glass for those cosmos with 
 belevedere coming in at $12.50. Maybe a 6oz glass. No food there from 
 stellas, so we walked across to the stella's and had a pie and salad. 
 Beer at Watermark $5.00 Had a good crowd eating there service from 
 klitchen was a bit slow, but that can be expected. 
 
 Just need bigger martini glasses or someone else to buy the drinks.






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[AsburyPark] Re: Friday night at Watermark then Sellas...

2008-11-24 Thread oakdorf
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
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 Followed your lead Oak and went to both places last night.
 
 

So, based on EXPERIENCE, I comment that yes, the boardwalk is 
better.

Werner has seen it from his time period here. I've seen it from pre-
werner as well as have others.

There's words you are not supposed to use in advertising,

 - ultimate (ultimatetest...), new and improved (newer and more 
improved..), more ultimate then before,

The Boardwalk is better. It's a phrase that can always be used. 
Better then 1970? Better then 1985, 1990, 1995, 2000, 2005?

Yes, at least from what I recall.

I don't know if it was better then 1900, or 1940. From what I read, 
probably not. But it's a phrase. My son is 15 now. To him, it's 
better and same for my daughter. It's better. Are the lights bright? 
Yes.

CH is open, has events, stores etc. Maybe not hundreds of events etc -
 but, it's open, the city isn't paying for it, people come there, it 
feels pretty safe and looks the best I've ever seen it growing up 
here, from what I can remember. 

The guys from GM, ford and Chrysler all flew in on private jets. Ok, 
PR blunder. MM thought they can get things done quicker in AP or 
maybe came up with other, cost effective ideas or got lost in the 
time warp of speed in Asbury or are positoning themseleves for other 
things. They HAD to get stuff open to generate income. 

See what happens






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[AsburyPark] Why I love Asbury Park

2008-11-24 Thread arhythmick

I live in North Jersey in a nice, suburban town with fine neighbors and
good schools and programs for my kids.  On the weekends though I am
BORED out of my mind with the same suburban tedium.  So I bought a condo
in Asbury Park mostly, I thought, so the kids could enjoy the ocean in
the summer.

Last weekend my wife and I came down to see the Yes show.  We had dinner
at Langosta which was outstanding (only its third day)...the food was
great and we met some interesting people at the table next to us.  We
then went to the Paramount-one of the best sounding theaters in the
world- to hear the show.  Afterwards, we walked home while traffic cops
dealt with the crowds and all the cars...the place was really alive

The next morning we walked for a few miles on the boardwalk and had
breakfast in Ocean Grove. Back to the condo and then back to North
Jersey.  We spent a total of 20 hours in AP and it made my whole week! 
I think I may actually spend as much time in AP in the off season as
during the summer...even better that the kids dont want to come when its
cold...wink...wink.

Whoever has said that entertainment is the key for AP is right on the
money as far as I am concerned...thank you Live Nation. Cant wait for
the next show so I can try another restaurant...





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[AsburyPark] Re: Why I love Asbury Park

2008-11-24 Thread wernerapnj
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arhythmick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 I live in North Jersey in a nice, suburban town with fine neighbors and
 good schools and programs for my kids.  On the weekends though I am
 BORED out of my mind with the same suburban tedium.  So I bought a condo
 in Asbury Park mostly, I thought, so the kids could enjoy the ocean in
 the summer.
 
 Last weekend my wife and I came down to see the Yes show.  We had dinner
 at Langosta which was outstanding (only its third day)...the food was
 great and we met some interesting people at the table next to us.  We
 then went to the Paramount-one of the best sounding theaters in the
 world- to hear the show.  Afterwards, we walked home while traffic cops
 dealt with the crowds and all the cars...the place was really alive
 
 The next morning we walked for a few miles on the boardwalk and had
 breakfast in Ocean Grove. Back to the condo and then back to North
 Jersey.  We spent a total of 20 hours in AP and it made my whole week! 
 I think I may actually spend as much time in AP in the off season as
 during the summer...even better that the kids dont want to come when its
 cold...wink...wink.
 
 Whoever has said that entertainment is the key for AP is right on the
 money as far as I am concerned...thank you Live Nation. Cant wait for
 the next show so I can try another restaurant...

===

Thank You -

Kindly see : PreservationPlan.pdf

in: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/files/WernerAPNJ/

(Note the date)

Werner





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[AsburyPark] Re: Stone Pony Closing for Repairs....

2008-11-24 Thread maubddny
Werner, Do you honestly think anyone cares about your recomendations?  
You blow so much hot air that even if you came up with a good idea, 
nobody would bother to listen to it.  

I think everyone would take your recomendations more seriously if you 
fixed up your own property first, and then worried about the rest of 
the town.


 
 Visionary, VISIONARY... Guess we are the only ones.
 
 I have recommended many times that the Pony be retained and enlarged
 on the current site.
 
 Unfortunately those in charge are myopic.
 
 Werner






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[AsburyPark] Re: Stone Pony Closing for Repairs....

2008-11-24 Thread Jack Pitzer
Werner has plenty of great ideas, and your attack on him was uncalled for.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, maubddny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Werner, Do you honestly think anyone cares about your recomendations?  
 You blow so much hot air that even if you came up with a good idea, 
 nobody would bother to listen to it.  
 
 I think everyone would take your recomendations more seriously if you 
 fixed up your own property first, and then worried about the rest of 
 the town.
 
 
  
  Visionary, VISIONARY... Guess we are the only ones.
  
  I have recommended many times that the Pony be retained and enlarged
  on the current site.
  
  Unfortunately those in charge are myopic.
  
  Werner
 







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[AsburyPark] The Auto Industry and AP...

2008-11-24 Thread oakdorf
Read it for the fun of it.

You don't realize all the showrooms that were once in AP.

But read this one. 


Money is only loaned to a man, William Crapo Durant once said. He 
comes into the world with nothing and he leaves with nothing. 

Billy Durant came into the world in Boston with not even a loan. 
Raised in Flint, Mich., he quit school at 17. By selling patent 
medicine, cigars, insurance and borrowing from friends, he scraped up 
enough to join a fellow clerk in buying out a carriage factory for 
$2,000. Through his prodigious energy and salesmanship (he could 
coax a bird out of a tree) the company acquired 14 plants by 1904. 
Durant's Blue Ribbon carriages became the Fords of a horse-drawn 
world. 

The company overinvested in bicycles, lost out. Unperturbed, Durant 
got control of the tottering Flint Wagon Works, sold $10,000,000 
worth of stock to exploit its rights to manufacture a horseless 
carriage, designed by David Buick. He made millions in a few years, 
laid grandiose plans to take over the lusty young auto industry. He 
almost did, by merging five companies—Henry Ford was the most 
important holdout—into General Motors. 

In the panic of 1910 Durant lost control of G.M. Unfazed, he started 
manufacturing a car called the Chevrolet. Quietly he bought back 40% 
of G.M.'s stock (with the help of the Du Ponts) and walked into a 
G.M. board meeting with his pockets bulging with stock certificates. 
Imperiously he announced: Gentlemen, I control this company. As 
Walter P. Chrysler later said: It was like Napoleon's return from 
Elba. 

In the post-World War I slump, G.M. stock slipped from $400 to $12. 
Durant spent an estimated $90,000,000 trying to bolster it before he 
finally lost control of G.M. for good. He founded Durant Motors, 
aiming to start a new G.M. But this time it was no go. He piled up 
another fortune by playing the stockmarket, but the 1929 crash 
virtually wiped him out. Later, he went into bankruptcy, listing $250 
(the clothes on his back) as his only assets. 

He still had his chipper spirits. But his Midas touch was gone. In 
1936 he turned up in Asbury Park, N.J. as a lunchroom and supermarket 
owner. He plugged a dandruff cure on the side, operated a bowling 
alley in Flint. He still talked grandly of making a pile. But it was 
too late. Last week, in his eight-room apartment in Manhattan, Billy 
Durant, 85, died. Of the millions he had been loaned he left 
nothing.

March 1947




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[AsburyPark] New One

2008-11-24 Thread justifiedright
http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/11/24/tdeseno_1124_bailout/#more
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[AsburyPark] Re: New One

2008-11-24 Thread justifiedright
Better link:

http://tinyurl.com/6zw3gg


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[AsburyPark] Re: New One

2008-11-24 Thread justifiedright
Jack you are confusing me.

When I posted last weeks that general foreclosure stuff isn't 
relevant to AP, I was resoundingly rebuffed.

It was made clear that anything foreclosure is AP related.  I think 
2 people even pointed out that 80 are taking place in AP right now.

So if you do object to general foreclosure stuff as AP related, I 
have to wonder why you didn't disagree with those folks last week or 
invite them to your other site.

If, on the other hand, this is once again just you holding me to a 
different standard than others, then Jack, please, 

STFU.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Why are you trying to start yet another post that has nothing to 
do with AP?
 We have a political group for this. Use it.
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
justifiedright@ wrote:
 
  Better link:
  
  http://tinyurl.com/6zw3gg
  
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
  justifiedright@ wrote:
  
   
  
http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/11/24/tdeseno_1124_bailout/#mo
re
   -3443
  
 






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[AsburyPark] Re: New One

2008-11-24 Thread Jack Pitzer
Oh look, the king of pointing out personalizing is now telling me to STFU.
Nice.
You really don't get it, do you?
In my opinion, and maybe I'm wrong, you tend to post things that push  peoples 
buttons, 
and yes, many people will run with it.
But, I'm not the police here, I'm just suggesting that lately, discussions 
about AP have 
become very lost here.
And yes, we have foreclosures in AP, and probably every city in every state in 
America.
You article address's that, in those broad terms, which is great, and the 
article is well 
written.
But, do you post it here just to show off?
And, why are you so afraid of the political group?
Lot's of other people are there, participating, but not you.
I maintain it's because you just crave a bigger audience.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Jack you are confusing me.
 
 When I posted last weeks that general foreclosure stuff isn't 
 relevant to AP, I was resoundingly rebuffed.
 
 It was made clear that anything foreclosure is AP related.  I think 
 2 people even pointed out that 80 are taking place in AP right now.
 
 So if you do object to general foreclosure stuff as AP related, I 
 have to wonder why you didn't disagree with those folks last week or 
 invite them to your other site.
 
 If, on the other hand, this is once again just you holding me to a 
 different standard than others, then Jack, please, 
 
 STFU.
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
 
  Why are you trying to start yet another post that has nothing to 
 do with AP?
  We have a political group for this. Use it.
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
 justifiedright@ wrote:
  
   Better link:
   
   http://tinyurl.com/6zw3gg
   
   
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
   justifiedright@ wrote:
   

   
 http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/11/24/tdeseno_1124_bailout/#mo
 re
-3443
   
  
 







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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: New One

2008-11-24 Thread Jersey Shore John
Every time i accidently click through to FAUX NOISE, I have to boil  
my laptop in tomato juice and bury it in the backyard for a week!

On Nov 24, 2008, at 3:58 PM, Jack Pitzer wrote:

 Why are you trying to start yet another post that has nothing to do  
 with AP?
 We have a political group for this. Use it.

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Better link:
 
  http://tinyurl.com/6zw3gg
 
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
  justifiedright@ wrote:
  
  
  http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/11/24/tdeseno_1124_bailout/ 
 #more
   -3443
  
 


 



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[AsburyPark] Re: New One

2008-11-24 Thread Jack Pitzer
Instead of us all getting into another distracting argument, can't we look at 
this another 
way.
First off, I joined this group to read about AP. It's history, what's going on 
in the city, 
redevelopment progress, Cookman, activity on the west side, etc.
For awhile now, the group has gotten off that track, and often, the detour 
involves much 
arguing and name calling.
I'm not pointing my finger at any one person, but it's pretty easy to exercise 
self control 
when posting, and we all know each other pretty well.
That being said, please, let's all stop fighting, me included, and let's let 
this group be 
about AP.
If it keeps getting endlessly sidetracked, I'll just take a vacation from it, 
like I have before.
Maybe I'm the problem...

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Oh look, the king of pointing out personalizing is now telling me to STFU.
 Nice.
 You really don't get it, do you?
 In my opinion, and maybe I'm wrong, you tend to post things that push  
 peoples 
buttons, 
 and yes, many people will run with it.
 But, I'm not the police here, I'm just suggesting that lately, discussions 
 about AP have 
 become very lost here.
 And yes, we have foreclosures in AP, and probably every city in every state 
 in America.
 You article address's that, in those broad terms, which is great, and the 
 article is well 
 written.
 But, do you post it here just to show off?
 And, why are you so afraid of the political group?
 Lot's of other people are there, participating, but not you.
 I maintain it's because you just crave a bigger audience.
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote:
 
  Jack you are confusing me.
  
  When I posted last weeks that general foreclosure stuff isn't 
  relevant to AP, I was resoundingly rebuffed.
  
  It was made clear that anything foreclosure is AP related.  I think 
  2 people even pointed out that 80 are taking place in AP right now.
  
  So if you do object to general foreclosure stuff as AP related, I 
  have to wonder why you didn't disagree with those folks last week or 
  invite them to your other site.
  
  If, on the other hand, this is once again just you holding me to a 
  different standard than others, then Jack, please, 
  
  STFU.
  
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
  
   Why are you trying to start yet another post that has nothing to 
  do with AP?
   We have a political group for this. Use it.
   
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
  justifiedright@ wrote:
   
Better link:

http://tinyurl.com/6zw3gg


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
justifiedright@ wrote:

 

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[AsburyPark] Re: Stone Pony Closing for Repairs....

2008-11-24 Thread wernerapnj
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, maubddny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Werner, Do you honestly think anyone cares about your recomendations?  
 You blow so much hot air that even if you came up with a good idea, 
 nobody would bother to listen to it.  
 
 I think everyone would take your recomendations more seriously if you 
 fixed up your own property first, and then worried about the rest of 
 the town.
===

Show me the Money, Kindly send a Check for say, $35K and then you can
have the pleasure of taking me seriously.

I'd be more concern, if I were you, that a Billion dollar
Redevelopment Plan has put the City $13 Million in Debt.

If an ad hominem response is all you have..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

..it says more about you than it does about me.

Werner





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[AsburyPark] Re: Stone Pony Closing for Repairs....

2008-11-24 Thread dapawprint
Long before James A. Bradley was even born, Cobblers were crafting 
shoes and boots for communities when the family of the Cobbler walked 
barefoot or in less than comfortable footwear.  

Werner has a personal situation, exacerbated by personal and offical 
attacks, yet still shares his wisdom for the greater good of the 
city.  Let us recall that those attacks have cost Werner money and 
esteem.

I ask all of you to put yourselves in Werner's shoes and think again.

How many of us have actually been forced into a corner without a 
resource but are still willing to share our knowledge.  Not me, well, 
maybe, I have learned from a great teacher.

With a few exceptions that I am aware of, many of Werner's critics on 
this forum have never met Werner.  I have.  Werner could win the 
majority of debates and if he lost, would conceded with grandeur.

My best advice to all of you is that if you choose to attack, make 
certain that your know your opponent well.  That man in the scary 
house might actualy be the guy watching your back!

As we watch the economy bundgy jumping, we must realize that any 
one of us may face the budget that Werner deals with daily.  Would 
any of YOU be willing to take time away from your own situation to 
attempt to better the situation of those around you?  Would you?

This is just my opinion, but please try to think out of the box.

Glenn



--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Werner has plenty of great ideas, and your attack on him was 
uncalled for.
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, maubddny filecabinet768@ 
wrote:
 
  Werner, Do you honestly think anyone cares about your 
recomendations?  
  You blow so much hot air that even if you came up with a good 
idea, 
  nobody would bother to listen to it.  
  
  I think everyone would take your recomendations more seriously if 
you 
  fixed up your own property first, and then worried about the rest 
of 
  the town.
  
  
   
   Visionary, VISIONARY... Guess we are the only ones.
   
   I have recommended many times that the Pony be retained and 
enlarged
   on the current site.
   
   Unfortunately those in charge are myopic.
   
   Werner
  
 






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[AsburyPark] pre thanksgiving special at Restaurant Plan B

2008-11-24 Thread jandlinap
Join us for dinner this Tuesday or Wednesday before Thanksgiving and 
receive 25% off your check.  This does not include our Prix Fixe menu 
which will be available all night 4:30-9pm both evenings...Please 
mention this post.




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[AsburyPark] Re: Local Irish legend dies

2008-11-24 Thread justifiedright
So long, singer man.

I'll always think of Joe Finn when I here this one:

http://www.thebards.net/music/lyrics/The_Unicorn_Song.shtml#chords


I got your green allegators, and long neck geese


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 http://www.app.com/article/20081122/NEWS/81122022/1001/rss
 http://www.app.com/article/20081122/NEWS/81122022/1001/rss
 
 Joe Finn... Now there is someone who can attest to The Student 
Prince.
 
 Good night Joe, and THANKS!
 
 
 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Local Irish legend dies

2008-11-24 Thread oakdorf
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So long, singer man.
 


it brings back days at the avon inn

the simple life.







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[AsburyPark] MM uses facebook to communicate with residents...and open dialouge

2008-11-24 Thread oakdorf
http://www.globest.com/news/1229_1229/washington/173440-1.html

but not yet in AP...

Imagine.







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[AsburyPark] We apologize profusely...

2008-11-24 Thread Tom
...for making you laugh so hard you will cry.

SCROOGE IN ROUGE

December 4 - 28, 2008

At the VFW Hall in Asbury park, NJ 

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[AsburyPark] Why is it we miss a simple attraction to AP???

2008-11-24 Thread oakdorf
It was given to AP years ago and some creative historian may have already 
suggested, but I 
don't know

There isn't a Morro Castle display, memorial, replicas (in the works...), 
etc watch for them 
soon.

Would be interesting to have that some place on the boardwalk. The real history 
of AP's real 
glory days or gay days lay around just waiting for someone else to trip 
over them.

Not many towns have such documented history hidden away. 

Add to that AP's undocumented history...







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[AsburyPark] Re: Why is it we miss a simple attraction to AP???

2008-11-24 Thread justifiedright
Doesn't Ms. Harris' place on the boards have much of the history on 
the walls and in books?


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It was given to AP years ago and some creative historian may have 
already suggested, but I 
 don't know
 
 There isn't a Morro Castle display, memorial, replicas (in the 
works...), etc watch for them 
 soon.
 
 Would be interesting to have that some place on the boardwalk. The 
real history of AP's real 
 glory days or gay days lay around just waiting for someone 
else to trip over them.
 
 Not many towns have such documented history hidden away. 
 
 Add to that AP's undocumented history...






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[AsburyPark] Re: Why is it we miss a simple attraction to AP???

2008-11-24 Thread oakdorf
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Doesn't Ms. Harris' place on the boards have much of the history on 
 the walls and in books?
 
 

That's it? 

How about something a bit more dramatic. There's a whole mystery behind the 
Morro C.







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[AsburyPark] A New Board Walk Brilliantly Illuminated By Electricity to Dawn

2008-11-24 Thread oakdorf
I think the ad was from 1903.







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