[AsburyPark] Re: Low Lights
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Leaving CH Friday night. At Ocean and 4th I almost ran over 3 people crossing. Had to slam on my brakes. I could not see them until they were in my headlights. Why? Too damned dark. No sight of them when they were still at the curb. NEED BRIGHT LIGHTS! Case closed. Your ability to see at night was compromised by the industrial flood lights shining into that intersection from South wall of the Wonder bar and the MM/APartners pavilion. The glare caused your eyes to compensate for the high contrast and not 'see' the people. Case Closed. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Happy Turkey Day..
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dapawprint [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... You will discover that these people are optimistic for the first time in decades. You appear to have an issue with improvements not happening on- time... SHIT... the people of Asbury Park see it so differently - and so do I! When the City that you love has been in a backward spiral, any millimeter forward is a good thing. ... = Glenn, I have to put what you're saying in perspective, watching your back so to speak, wink. First of all, no one knows what the majority of people in the City think about redevelopment. They are too busy struggling to survive economically and have little time to learn what is being done to their City. I have witnessed this personally as a participant in the various meetings, committees, focus groups, City Service, etc. over the course of 30 years. Second, Those who have followed what is happening are a minority and have lost sight of the fact that redevelopment is entirely based upon plans, contracts and timelines that are promised to the taxpayers in exchange for development rights, including Eminent Domain. To take the view that delays are OK, small increments satisfy the obligations or that it 'looks better' is a disservice to the entire City, especially those that are not knowledgeable about redevelopment issues. Recall that $13 Million deficit has been created, the matter is one of economics and Public Trust. Werner (Watching your back) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] redevelopement... college paper
Hi.. One of my friends is writing a paper at NYU about the redev. of asbur park...if anyone can email him and help with some information..would be appreciated.. his email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Jeffrey Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: redevelopement... college paper
There are many college students who have written on that same topic over the years. I'd love to see them all together some day. Would be fun to compare and contrast their thoughts. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jandlinap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi.. One of my friends is writing a paper at NYU about the redev. of asbur park...if anyone can email him and help with some information..would be appreciated.. his email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Jeffrey Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: redevelopement... college paper
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are many college students who have written on that same topic over the years. I'd love to see them all together some day. Would be fun to compare and contrast their thoughts. Let's sponsor a symposium. Put together a panel. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Ten Things About Last Night in AP
1. It was tough to fine parking at 8:30 2. See# 1. A reason to have the meters in force - at least at NIGHT. 3. Bagpipes practicing in CH Aracde were deafening. Finally parked to check out what the 100 gifts were aroiund 9pm. Roller Derby going on. The really nice tree that was killed looled real good. But I don't get WHY if you have all the people in once place - would you ahve the 100 gift idea shop CLOSED as was Baker Boys ( I thought it would be neat to get a hot chocolate and cake after dinner at Kleins in Belmar..). 4. When you have a place and events going on, THATS when you should be OPEN. Wehn we were on the boards, we OPEN when you had crowds of peoplem not closed. Go figure. 5. Headed back over to the Watermark. Great crowd and really one of the best, if not THE BEST spots on the jersey shore to relax - other then martells or the chelsea in AC. 6. Even when the fire alarms went off last night at the Watermark - no one moved. Ok. Think STUPID. NO ONE moved. MAtter of fact, someone started dancing to the beat of the alarm and people were clapping. Right before that, my wife wanted to know where all the exits were. Te alarm went on and off a couple times then finally stopped. Only a couple people went out on the deck (like us), the rest jsut sat around. While no one wants to lose their seat - it could be a good way to die had it been a real emergency. Better look like an asshole running out the door.. and management maybe should of had everyone get up and go. Maybe. I don't know. 7. See #1. The fire department and police. Police patrolling all parked cars and FD at CH and wound up at watermark. THIS is a reason why you need to charge for parking and COLLECT TAXES. It's not FREE. 8. Great hit drink experiment at W MArk they came up with. Made the mrs happy... 9. Check out kleins in Belmar. Dinner for two during the week $40, including a bottle of wine. 3 course meal. Sat night, wine bottle was half price - so you pay about what u would in a liq store. 10. Best advice last night received. Table next to us 3 old people We said they looked happy. It was one of the ladies 95th birthday and she was munching on lobster on fries (no salt). I asked her how and she said just go and have fun.. ? what was the bagpipers for in CH last night? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Low Lights
Sure - that's why the keep the lights so low at Giants Stadium - so you can see the players better. Good grief. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Leaving CH Friday night. At Ocean and 4th I almost ran over 3 people crossing. Had to slam on my brakes. I could not see them until they were in my headlights. Why? Too damned dark. No sight of them when they were still at the curb. NEED BRIGHT LIGHTS! Case closed. = === Your ability to see at night was compromised by the industrial flood lights shining into that intersection from South wall of the Wonder bar and the MM/APartners pavilion. The glare caused your eyes to compensate for the high contrast and not 'see' the people. Case Closed. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] RIP old friend
A friend who passed Thanksgiving Day was the most Asbury guy you would have ever met. Picture everything Bruce Springsteen ever wrote about driving the circuit or partying down the Beach and Boardwalk, and he was it. Literally one of the kids huddled on the beach in the mist. So long, old friend. FREDERICK J. ABLES AGE: 46 NEPTUNE Frederick J. Ables, 46, of Neptune died suddenly Friday, Nov. 28 at Jersey Shore University Medical Center, Neptune. Fred was the owner and operator of Ables Landscaping, Neptune, for the past 22 years. He was a graduate of Asbury Park H.S. and an avid bowler and fisherman. Born in Elizabeth, he lived in Asbury Park for 43 years before moving to Neptune 2 years ago. Surviving are his wife, Lourdes Montoya Ables ; his mother, Dolores Spontak, of Ocean Township.; two brothers, David W. Ables, of Ocean Twp. and Ricky Ables and his wife, Maureen of Asbury Park; two sisters, Charlotte Wroblewski and her husband, Irving, of Germany and Debra Nissim and her husband, Donald of Wayside and many other nieces, nephews and cousins. Fred was a wonderful husband and father. Visitation will be on Tuesday from 2 to 4 and 7 to 9 p.m. in Buckley Funeral Home, 509 Second Ave., Asbury Park. A funeral service will be celebrated at 11 a.m. Wednesday in the funeral home. Interment will be private. In lieu of flowers, please donate to the family, c/o Lourdes Ables, 713 Ruth Dr., Neptune, NJ 07753. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Low Lights
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure - that's why the keep the lights so low at Giants Stadium - so you can see the players better. Good grief. === Mr. Right will just NEVER get it and if he ever did - would never admit to it. Giants Stadium lights are 100's of feet in the air shining down - not shining in your face. Case Closed Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] lights..
the one thing that obsructs the Ocean view from the Watermark - the street lights on the boardwalk Drive down main st in Avon. While the idea was neat - the lights are ugly and overpowering- the globes blind you. Drive down ocean ave through allenhurst. simple period lights. Rt 33/corlies - they make the road wider, add lower street lightsing of a period but the highway lighting remains. like that in lots pf places. Should be one or the other. The technology is here. Check out the edison style lights in the watermark along the wall. neat. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Low Lights
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure - that's why the keep the lights so low at Giants Stadium - so you can see the players better. Good grief. = I'll just add that if a supposedly intelligent person can't address the issue at hand - GLARE, in particular DISABILITY GLARE (look it up), here are two conclusions one could arrive at. - the individual is ignorant (look it up) of the subject. or - the individual chooses to ignore the issue just to argue. Werner (PS - I know I shouldn't take the bait - apologies to all) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Low Lights
What bait? Am I not allowed to offer my thoughts on the lighting topic? If a person disagrees with the majority it's bait. Perhaps you would more enjoy a discussion where every one agrees. Besides, your entire post below is personalizing - it focuses on me and not the issue. Make conclusions about the issue - not about participants in the discussion. It's very easy to do that. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Sure - that's why the keep the lights so low at Giants Stadium - so you can see the players better. Good grief. = I'll just add that if a supposedly intelligent person can't address the issue at hand - GLARE, in particular DISABILITY GLARE (look it up), here are two conclusions one could arrive at. - the individual is ignorant (look it up) of the subject. or - the individual chooses to ignore the issue just to argue. Werner (PS - I know I shouldn't take the bait - apologies to all) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: lights..
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the one thing that obsructs the Ocean view from the Watermark - the street lights on the boardwalk Drive down main st in Avon. While the idea was neat - the lights are ugly and overpowering- the globes blind you. Drive down ocean ave through allenhurst. simple period lights. Rt 33/corlies - they make the road wider, add lower street lightsing of a period but the highway lighting remains. like that in lots pf places. Should be one or the other. The technology is here. Check out the edison style lights in the watermark along the wall. neat. == Right on the mark - good observations. Silly, wasteful and potentially dangerous designs. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Low Lights
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Besides, your entire post below is personalizing - it focuses on me and not the issue. OK everything is 'personalizing' - I'll give you personalizing. Perhaps you should be more concerned about your past and up coming Attorney Ethics hearings instead of spending time here arguing 'just-to-be-right'. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Happy Turkey Day..
Does anyone else find it curious that newbeetoap seems to be so concerned about a place s/he claims to dislike so much? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Happy Turkey Day..
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone else find it curious that newbeetoap seems to be so concerned about a place s/he claims to dislike so much? === I didn't see that in the posts - I recall comment that he had a good time -- seems to be just asking questions. That's offensive? Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Happy Turkey Day..
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone else find it curious that newbeetoap seems to be so concerned about a place s/he claims to dislike so much? Yes I doI think he / she really lives in AP and is trying to come off as an outsider looking in. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Happy Turkey Day..
Hi John, have you been in lately? I heard that yesterday was packed. Hope the holiday was good. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Happy Turkey Day..
Werner, you are utilizing selective attention. His disdain for the progress ap has made fits your needs. that is not to suggest you don't have valid issues, but you as well seem incapable of enjoying the place. All the guy does is make fun of the place, bitch about it etc. Maybe he mentioned a good time once or twice. He also is regularly complaining about the content of the list. I was going to dig for quotes but...search his anonymous tag, you'll find plenty. Thanks Jennifer, I have been completely dumbfounded by his attention (mostly negative) to a place that he sees as a failure and doesn't even visit all that much. pretty interesting behavior. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jennifer jennifernjca@ wrote: Does anyone else find it curious that newbeetoap seems to be so concerned about a place s/he claims to dislike so much? === I didn't see that in the posts - I recall comment that he had a good time -- seems to be just asking questions. That's offensive? Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: BeachCam Status
The BeachCam Status for November 2008 are in - and it's not pretty. See the graph here: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3140/3070428019_4a06ea1001_o.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3140/3070428019_4a06ea1001_o.jpg My intent is not really to be critical, if I can help to get that camera operational and reliable - I am willing! Glenn --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dapawprint [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All,I only started logging this on October 10th, but here are the October results: [Asbury Park BeachCam Status OCT/2008] http://www.flickr.com/photos/dapaw/2989740769/ Full November results will be available! Glenn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Low Lights
This is a horrible attempt to be right I suspect you weren't paying attention to the road. I drive on Ocean Ave. every single day, and night, and I've never had a problem seeing people in the road. Ocean and 4th has tons of lighting. Perhaps the glare got in your eyes. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Leaving CH Friday night. At Ocean and 4th I almost ran over 3 people crossing. Had to slam on my brakes. I could not see them until they were in my headlights. Why? Too damned dark. No sight of them when they were still at the curb. NEED BRIGHT LIGHTS! Case closed. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Happy Turkey Day..
Werner, Please note that I used the word curious not offensive. His posts state that he his someone who visited and had a good time yet he is deeply concerned about dates and deadlines. I am going to use he because it is the pronoun of unknown in the English language. I use curious in the context of deviating from the usual or expected. There's a huge jump from curious to offensive. His posts do not offend me at all. I just find it all very curious. Jennifer --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jennifer jennifernjca@ wrote: Does anyone else find it curious that newbeetoap seems to be so concerned about a place s/he claims to dislike so much? === I didn't see that in the posts - I recall comment that he had a good time -- seems to be just asking questions. That's offensive? Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Low Lights
Good grief? The only good grief from this post is an analogy that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. It's amazing how desperate you are to win, once again. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure - that's why the keep the lights so low at Giants Stadium - so you can see the players better. Good grief. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Leaving CH Friday night. At Ocean and 4th I almost ran over 3 people crossing. Had to slam on my brakes. I could not see them until they were in my headlights. Why? Too damned dark. No sight of them when they were still at the curb. NEED BRIGHT LIGHTS! Case closed. === == === Your ability to see at night was compromised by the industrial flood lights shining into that intersection from South wall of the Wonder bar and the MM/APartners pavilion. The glare caused your eyes to compensate for the high contrast and not 'see' the people. Case Closed. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Happy Turkey Day..
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Werner, Please note that I used the word curious not offensive. His posts state that he his someone who visited and had a good time yet he is deeply concerned about dates and deadlines. I am going to use he because it is the pronoun of unknown in the English language. I use curious in the context of deviating from the usual or expected. There's a huge jump from curious to offensive. His posts do not offend me at all. I just find it all very curious. Jennifer == As one who appreciates accuracy I thank you for calling that to my attention. You bring up an interesting point - could be a her. I was thinking of other group members who 'seem' to be offended. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: lights..
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can we make a difference, and get something done about this? I'd love to see the city address the lighting situation, but how can we actually make it happen. == I expended an offer to help form an advocacy group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/43013 Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Happy Turkey Day..
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find your comment regarding me - 'fits your needs' - rather bizarre. My only need is to get to the facts and make the public's interests a priority. The reality is what it is, to date this redevelopment has been a failure. I understand that you personally are having fun, enjoying things but that is not the measure of success. If I were the only one personally enjoying the place, it wouldn't be busy, obviously. Others are enjoying it. Visitors apparently have certain expectations beyond yours based upon regional advertising and media reports. Who are the visitors whose expectations are not being met? Apparently people keep coming. Why are you so quick to shoot down other perceptions which may actually by more realistic than your own? I'm not shooting down, just challenging with my own perceptions. perhaps you see my perceptions as invalid. When people keep telling me one thing and my experience is different, what am I supposed to do? Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Happy Turkey Day..
newbee is listed among our members as 43, male, Asbury Park ( http://tinyurl.com/58gtgt ) which is inconsistent with his posts about infrequent visits but not for anonymous posters who, to me, are always suspect.. As Alice said, Curiouser and curiouser! In a message dated 11/30/2008 10:25:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks Jennifer, I have been completely dumbfounded by his attention (mostly negative) to a place that he sees as a failure and doesn't even visit all that much. pretty interesting behavior. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jennifer jennifernjca@ wrote: Does anyone else find it curious that newbeetoap seems to be so concerned about a place s/he claims to dislike so much? **Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Low Lights
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a horrible attempt to be right Do you post to show yourself incorrect? Please explain. I don't understand the fault in being correct. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Low Lights
There is no fault in being correct. But to make a leap about a nighttime football game and compare it to a community is really a stretch. Maybe there is no wrong or right here, just different opinions. Personally, I greatly dislike the way the area in question is lit, and I really dislike the lighting near the Casino. People in Ocean Grove don't like it either. Did you even take a second to read the article I posted from National Geographic? I read every word of all of your posts, because I have an open mind. Do you have an open enough mind to consider the possibility that other opinions are as valuable as you think yours are? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: This is a horrible attempt to be right Do you post to show yourself incorrect? Please explain. I don't understand the fault in being correct. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Knock, Knock...Hellooo....
Perhaps a Facebook group could help? If change is a possibility, I think the city would need to see how many people actually care about this. A few of us won't make a difference, but a few hundred might. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Newbie you don't think the relationship between gay and straight people in Asbury Park is an important topic with meat on it? They just held a symposium on the subject at Monmouth College which was covered in the Press. Not important for us though? Well excuse me for discussing an issue you personally find so terrible unimportant. So how about those beachfront lights then? === === There's a form of that word 'personal..' again. One has to wonder about double standards. As to the LIGHTS . I'll bite AGAIN... A few posts back the question was asked about what can be done about intrusive lighting. I've posted numerous resources on the topic. Well here's my offer, anyone willing to seriously address the issue kindly contact me privately by email or phone and if we can get a core group together we may be able to effect some positive change in the way things are handled. There you go, an open invitation, . Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Happy Turkey Day..
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: newbee is listed among our members as 43, male, Asbury Park ( http://tinyurl.com/58gtgt ) which is inconsistent with his posts about infrequent visits but not for anonymous posters who, to me, are always suspect.. As Alice said, Curiouser and curiouser! == Perhaps a member of the gay community outside of Asbury Park but wishing to call it home ? Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Knock, Knock...Hellooo....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps a Facebook group could help? If change is a possibility, I think the city would need to see how many people actually care about this. A few of us won't make a difference, but a few hundred might. == So its you and I Jack so far - I know there are others who care, speak up again, contact me. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Low Lights
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no fault in being correct. But to make a leap about a nighttime football game and compare it to a community is really a stretch. This is a good post, Jack. You attack my arguement. You say a street and a stadium are not comparable and therefore don't lead to an approprate conclusion by comparing them. Notice how not one word of what you wrote is dependant upon any conclusions about me. That's how all posts should be. Nice job. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] High Lights
Adding to the subject The Casino Parking Lot was before the Planning board for approval. Thankfully they decided the lighting was inappropriate and ordered that glare shields be installed as a condition. Even with the shields in place they were too bright and problematic but that's what was approved. So now the two fixtures closest to the Carousel house have been turned to point horizontally at the Carousel house. Needless to say the whole approval/shield issue is now moot. sure the shields are there but serve no purpose whatsoever. They violated the intent and spirit of the conditions. Those lights are glaring at the Stella Marina and any view toward the Lake that was minimally possible is now impossible. Such is the consideration of MM Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Low Lights
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: There is no fault in being correct. But to make a leap about a nighttime football game and compare it to a community is really a stretch. This is a good post, Jack. You attack my arguement. You say a street and a stadium are not comparable and therefore don't lead to an approprate conclusion by comparing them. Notice how not one word of what you wrote is dependant upon any conclusions about me. That's how all posts should be. Nice job. === Patronizing BS. Its so obvious that explanations should not be needed. Just love to argue. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Happy Turkey Day..
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi John, have you been in lately? I heard that yesterday was packed. Hope the holiday was good. Werner Werner, Thanksgiving was great thanks, spent some time in Rochester with the family, hope yours was good as well. I have been trying to get down to AP at least twice a month, I would like to come down every week but it is difficult. I'll be at the wonder bar on Friday night Everytime I leave town I can't wait to come back. John Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Knowing each other
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps a Facebook group could help? Hi Jack, I like Facebook a lot. It helps me stay in touch with a lot of people and its gotten me back in touch with even more. I now know more about people I went to High School with than I did even in HS. I don't know if the groups ever become very active for discussions. I see your Greetings from Asbury Park group has a lot of members now (including Nils Lofgren and Roy Bittan). I think the larger point is that the anonymity that you can allow in Yahoo groups breeds behaviors that you don't see with people who know one another. How about we set a regular date for group members to socialize in person? We could do it in a local place, meet for drinks say once a month and get to know each other. I find email to be the worst form of communication ever made. It's way too easy to hear a tone in the writer's voice that is not as it was intended. I moderate two groups for work and I see a lot more listening and weighing of opposing opinions when my group members know and respect one another than when they are new and feeling anonymous. So who wants to meet and have a drink? Jennifer Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Low Lights
Thanks. I hope this doesn't ruin my attempt to do the right thing, but I have one more thing to add. Remember about a year ago, when I posted about buying a telescope? Well, part of the reason why I chose to do so was because of you Tommy, because I liked your posts about meteor showers. So, I bought a telescope, and I love it. At the time, I could take that telescope into the alley between my home and then next, and it became a sort of open air observatory. Many months later, that observatory isn't very ideal. Why? Because all the new lighting has created light pollution, and the night sky above my apt. is now filled with the ambient light bouncing off of the natural mist that accompanies living by the ocean, so in order to enjoy my telescope, I now need to pack it up, and go elsewhere, which kind've diminishes the joy I got from it. This whole argument isn't really about too much lighting, it's about appropriate lighting. Couldn't the city, and MM done a better, more coordinated job by installing lighting that does the job without flooding the entire area with light spillage? Couldn't the city and MM done a better job at creating a unified lighting plan, one which does the job, but still lets the night be the night? Unfortunately, AP has been in a state of desperation for years, so most of the solutions here is to just throw assets and redevelopment activities out there in a hurry, rather then take the time to do it right, the first time. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: There is no fault in being correct. But to make a leap about a nighttime football game and compare it to a community is really a stretch. This is a good post, Jack. You attack my arguement. You say a street and a stadium are not comparable and therefore don't lead to an approprate conclusion by comparing them. Notice how not one word of what you wrote is dependant upon any conclusions about me. That's how all posts should be. Nice job. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Low Lights
By the way Jack I did read the Nat Geo you posted. The following excerpt supports my position fully. Note the author makes no qualification about opinion. He cites it as fact. Good for him. Here it is: If humans were truly at home under the light of the moon and stars, we would go in darkness happily, the midnight world as visible to us as it is to the vast number of nocturnal species on this planet. Instead, we are diurnal creatures, with eyes adapted to living in the sun's light. This is a basic evolutionary fact, even though most of us don't think of ourselves as diurnal beings any more than we think of ourselves as primates or mammals or Earthlings. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no fault in being correct. But to make a leap about a nighttime football game and compare it to a community is really a stretch. Maybe there is no wrong or right here, just different opinions. Personally, I greatly dislike the way the area in question is lit, and I really dislike the lighting near the Casino. People in Ocean Grove don't like it either. Did you even take a second to read the article I posted from National Geographic? I read every word of all of your posts, because I have an open mind. Do you have an open enough mind to consider the possibility that other opinions are as valuable as you think yours are? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: This is a horrible attempt to be right Do you post to show yourself incorrect? Please explain. I don't understand the fault in being correct. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Knowing each other
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... So who wants to meet and have a drink? Jennifer = I'm in... Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Knowing each other
Thanks Jennifer! I tried to dislike Facebook because I wanted to unteather myself from the myriad of websites that take up way too much of my time, but it didn't work out, so I decided to embrace it. That being said, I recently created another Facebook group, Help the World - Christmas 2008 Here's a link: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=42031067015 The purpose of the group is to encourage people to make a donation to a charitable organization in the name of a friend or family member, instead of buying them a present. I was inspired to create the group after hearing a story on NPR about an elderly women in Zimbabwe, who's only source of food came from picking bits of undigested corn from cow dung. Can you imagine that? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Perhaps a Facebook group could help? Hi Jack, I like Facebook a lot. It helps me stay in touch with a lot of people and its gotten me back in touch with even more. I now know more about people I went to High School with than I did even in HS. I don't know if the groups ever become very active for discussions. I see your Greetings from Asbury Park group has a lot of members now (including Nils Lofgren and Roy Bittan). I think the larger point is that the anonymity that you can allow in Yahoo groups breeds behaviors that you don't see with people who know one another. How about we set a regular date for group members to socialize in person? We could do it in a local place, meet for drinks say once a month and get to know each other. I find email to be the worst form of communication ever made. It's way too easy to hear a tone in the writer's voice that is not as it was intended. I moderate two groups for work and I see a lot more listening and weighing of opposing opinions when my group members know and respect one another than when they are new and feeling anonymous. So who wants to meet and have a drink? Jennifer Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Low Lights
Yes, but once again, the discussion isn't about having lighting, it's about having appropriate, well thought out lighting that fits into the community. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way Jack I did read the Nat Geo you posted. The following excerpt supports my position fully. Note the author makes no qualification about opinion. He cites it as fact. Good for him. Here it is: If humans were truly at home under the light of the moon and stars, we would go in darkness happily, the midnight world as visible to us as it is to the vast number of nocturnal species on this planet. Instead, we are diurnal creatures, with eyes adapted to living in the sun's light. This is a basic evolutionary fact, even though most of us don't think of ourselves as diurnal beings any more than we think of ourselves as primates or mammals or Earthlings. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: There is no fault in being correct. But to make a leap about a nighttime football game and compare it to a community is really a stretch. Maybe there is no wrong or right here, just different opinions. Personally, I greatly dislike the way the area in question is lit, and I really dislike the lighting near the Casino. People in Ocean Grove don't like it either. Did you even take a second to read the article I posted from National Geographic? I read every word of all of your posts, because I have an open mind. Do you have an open enough mind to consider the possibility that other opinions are as valuable as you think yours are? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: This is a horrible attempt to be right Do you post to show yourself incorrect? Please explain. I don't understand the fault in being correct. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Low Lights
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way Jack I did read the Nat Geo you posted. The following excerpt supports my position fully. Note the author makes no qualification about opinion. He cites it as fact. Good for him. Here it is: If humans were truly at home under the light of the moon and stars, we would go in darkness happily, the midnight world as visible to us as it is to the vast number of nocturnal species on this planet. Instead, we are diurnal creatures, with eyes adapted to living in the sun's light. This is a basic evolutionary fact, even though most of us don't think of ourselves as diurnal beings any more than we think of ourselves as primates or mammals or Earthlings. == Great - now resorting to out of context quotes and material that has noting to do with GLARE - APPROPRIATE LIGHTING or LIGHT POLLUTION The following excerpt supports my position fully. You cant really believe that.. H...ROTFL...LMAO Case Closed Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Low Lights
Thank you Jack, and thanks for not seeing it as patronizing like that other fellow, instead for seeing it as the true compliment to you from me that it was. It's much easier for me to say good point to your post ( or anyone else's) about a stretched point I may have made, when the post I'm conceding to isn't also filled with a bunch of negative conclusions about me personally. I think that is true of anyone. Hopefully you've started a new trend - no conclusions about other posters - just their arguements. I hope I didn't talk you into a telescope to look at meteor showers! Meteors are random in the sky and last for a split second, so you really can't use the scope for that. Best just scanning with your naked eye. I don't think City light planning should include we amatuer astronomers. If we had our way there'd be no electricity. It's the nature of hobby to travel to seek out the dark skies (and part of the fun). --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks. I hope this doesn't ruin my attempt to do the right thing, but I have one more thing to add. Remember about a year ago, when I posted about buying a telescope? Well, part of the reason why I chose to do so was because of you Tommy, because I liked your posts about meteor showers. So, I bought a telescope, and I love it. At the time, I could take that telescope into the alley between my home and then next, and it became a sort of open air observatory. Many months later, that observatory isn't very ideal. Why? Because all the new lighting has created light pollution, and the night sky above my apt. is now filled with the ambient light bouncing off of the natural mist that accompanies living by the ocean, so in order to enjoy my telescope, I now need to pack it up, and go elsewhere, which kind've diminishes the joy I got from it. This whole argument isn't really about too much lighting, it's about appropriate lighting. Couldn't the city, and MM done a better, more coordinated job by installing lighting that does the job without flooding the entire area with light spillage? Couldn't the city and MM done a better job at creating a unified lighting plan, one which does the job, but still lets the night be the night? Unfortunately, AP has been in a state of desperation for years, so most of the solutions here is to just throw assets and redevelopment activities out there in a hurry, rather then take the time to do it right, the first time. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: There is no fault in being correct. But to make a leap about a nighttime football game and compare it to a community is really a stretch. This is a good post, Jack. You attack my arguement. You say a street and a stadium are not comparable and therefore don't lead to an approprate conclusion by comparing them. Notice how not one word of what you wrote is dependant upon any conclusions about me. That's how all posts should be. Nice job. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Low Lights
I've always had interest in astronomy, and your posts just pushed me a little further. But, to the topic of lighting, what about what Oak wrote, about the lighting ruining the view in Watermark? Isn't that a valid point? And people in OG have been complaining to the city about our light spilling into their homes. Aren't those valid point? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Jack, and thanks for not seeing it as patronizing like that other fellow, instead for seeing it as the true compliment to you from me that it was. It's much easier for me to say good point to your post ( or anyone else's) about a stretched point I may have made, when the post I'm conceding to isn't also filled with a bunch of negative conclusions about me personally. I think that is true of anyone. Hopefully you've started a new trend - no conclusions about other posters - just their arguements. I hope I didn't talk you into a telescope to look at meteor showers! Meteors are random in the sky and last for a split second, so you really can't use the scope for that. Best just scanning with your naked eye. I don't think City light planning should include we amatuer astronomers. If we had our way there'd be no electricity. It's the nature of hobby to travel to seek out the dark skies (and part of the fun). --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Thanks. I hope this doesn't ruin my attempt to do the right thing, but I have one more thing to add. Remember about a year ago, when I posted about buying a telescope? Well, part of the reason why I chose to do so was because of you Tommy, because I liked your posts about meteor showers. So, I bought a telescope, and I love it. At the time, I could take that telescope into the alley between my home and then next, and it became a sort of open air observatory. Many months later, that observatory isn't very ideal. Why? Because all the new lighting has created light pollution, and the night sky above my apt. is now filled with the ambient light bouncing off of the natural mist that accompanies living by the ocean, so in order to enjoy my telescope, I now need to pack it up, and go elsewhere, which kind've diminishes the joy I got from it. This whole argument isn't really about too much lighting, it's about appropriate lighting. Couldn't the city, and MM done a better, more coordinated job by installing lighting that does the job without flooding the entire area with light spillage? Couldn't the city and MM done a better job at creating a unified lighting plan, one which does the job, but still lets the night be the night? Unfortunately, AP has been in a state of desperation for years, so most of the solutions here is to just throw assets and redevelopment activities out there in a hurry, rather then take the time to do it right, the first time. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: There is no fault in being correct. But to make a leap about a nighttime football game and compare it to a community is really a stretch. This is a good post, Jack. You attack my arguement. You say a street and a stadium are not comparable and therefore don't lead to an approprate conclusion by comparing them. Notice how not one word of what you wrote is dependant upon any conclusions about me. That's how all posts should be. Nice job. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Low Lights
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think City light planning should include we amatuer astronomers. If we had our way there'd be no electricity. It's the nature of hobby to travel to seek out the dark skies (and part of the fun). === Counter productive position - no Planning = excessive lighting - expansion of civilization into unlit areas - no planning = excessive lighting - more expansion = more lights = dark sky eaten up Where you gonna run to for your dark sky ? Planning is the key. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Low Lights
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But, to the topic of lighting, what about what Oak wrote, about the lighting ruining the view in Watermark? Isn't that a valid point? Watermark just needs to do what Mr. C does in Allenhurst at his restaurant on the beach, as well as what McCloones and others do in Pier Village (where I was last night): Bright spot lights to light up the Ocean at night. Great attraction. Watching a large flock of birds bobbing in the Ocean under the lights last night was really beautiful. And people in OG have been complaining to the city about our light spilling into their homes. Aren't those valid point? The folks you used to lock the bridge to keep us out of there at night? Let them eat cake. Now that Batman is dead maybe we can take the bat light Commissioner Gordon used to shine on the moon and shine it on Ocean Grove. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Knowing each other
Of course I am in - I send out announcements every time I visit! :-) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Perhaps a Facebook group could help? Hi Jack, I like Facebook a lot. It helps me stay in touch with a lot of people and its gotten me back in touch with even more. I now know more about people I went to High School with than I did even in HS. I don't know if the groups ever become very active for discussions. I see your Greetings from Asbury Park group has a lot of members now (including Nils Lofgren and Roy Bittan). I think the larger point is that the anonymity that you can allow in Yahoo groups breeds behaviors that you don't see with people who know one another. How about we set a regular date for group members to socialize in person? We could do it in a local place, meet for drinks say once a month and get to know each other. I find email to be the worst form of communication ever made. It's way too easy to hear a tone in the writer's voice that is not as it was intended. I moderate two groups for work and I see a lot more listening and weighing of opposing opinions when my group members know and respect one another than when they are new and feeling anonymous. So who wants to meet and have a drink? Jennifer Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Low Lights
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: don't tell anyone about mr c's. That has the best bar view of the ocean... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] A REVISION THEATRE/RESTAURANT PLAN B DISCOUNT
FOR ALL THE FRIENDS OF REVISION THEATRE RESTAURANT PLAN B IS OFFERING A PRE-POST THEATRE 20% DISCOUNT ON DINING BRING YOUR TICKET TO SCROOGE IN ROUGE AND RECEIVE YOUR DINNER DISCOUNT ADDITIONALLY IF YOU PURCHASE YOUR THEATRE TICKETS ON LINE AT REVISIONTHEATRE.ORG AND PUT IN PLANB IN THE DISCOUNT CODE, YOU WILL RECEIVE 10% OFF YOUR THEATRE TICKET. REMEMBER WE ARE OPEN ON FRIDAY UNTIL 10PM AND SATURDAY UNTIL 11PM FOR DINNER AND OR DESSERT. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] All Is Bright
Betcha y'all thought this was about our street lights. Nope. ;-) It's for you sky watchers out there since the topic was raised today. Only thing of interest to me is the closest full moon mentioned below. Excerpts from http://tinyurl.com/5udhhl All Is Bright for Jupiter, Venus All Is Bright for Jupiter, Venus, Sunday, November 30, 2008 Unwrap a bounty of night-sky gifts this holiday season: visible planets, glorious conjunctions, a close-up full moon and a change of season. Jupiter and Venus begin December in conjunction at dusk in the southwestern sky. If the sky remains clear, the Jupiter-Venus conjunction, officially occurring tomorrow night, will be spectacular Tonight, notice that the sliver of a young moon is below Jupiter and Venus, while tomorrow night the crescent can be seen above the planetary duo. Young moons always appear briefly in the western sky at dusk and early evening. At the very end of December, the fleet Mercury The full moon Dec. 12 will be at its closest to Earth since 1993, and the full moon won't be this close again until 2016. Saturn, the beloved ringed planet, is a late night owl The official start to winter in the Northern Hemisphere -- the Winter Solstice... http://tinyurl.com/5udhhl **Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Knowing each other
As long as the roads look to be OK on Friday and Sunday, I am in! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about next Saturday? It's first Saturday. We could meet before the festivities. Pick a bar, any bar. Well please pick one with enough room and some tables because I'll probably have to bring my son. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Happy Turkey Day..
Now THAT, was an AWESOME post! In a nutshell, you've put a positive spin, on the reality that is Asbury Park! The Pop Warner Pee-Wee's won their championship game and are on their way to Florida! Asbury Park's Varsity Football's unbeaten record is no more! They lost to Neptune, 6-0 Thanksgiving day! So Neptune now owns the bragging rights, for a year! My Grandson is a senior at Neptune High School and it was his last game! What an ending! My adult children, all graduates of Neptune said it looked like 10,000 people were there! I didn't attend the game this year, as I got a late start, making pies for friends, for 2 days! It smells like cinnamon heaven, in here! Anyway, I am a great admirer of Werner and you, Glenn! I live here, but you are half of the reason, I indulge in visiting the boardwalk! Being a consummate shore bird, after Labor Day, I would assume that the sidewalks would roll up, like they do in neighboring Ocean Grove, Avon, Bradley Beach and Belmar. That's what happens there, but MM has expanded Asbury Park into a year round venue. I would think you have to dress like you're in Alaska to take in the boardwalk, this time of the year. It's been brutally cold, for the last 2 weeks and it rained all day today and snowed in Sussex County, (in the mountains). I mean, here, those with pets walk their dogs, ride bikes and the morning walkers are usually down there. Me? I am deep into Christmas decorating and O-D-ing on turkey leftovers! It's time for egg-nog, hot chocolate and Southern Comfort! I've decorated 2 trees, put out my miniature village, complete with people and a Jazz Band! I passed Mario's house and it looks like a post card, it's so pretty and festive! I wanted to sing Silver Bells and We Need a Little Christmas, Right this Very Minute, I felt so heartened! No, you youngsters can go down to Convention Hall! I'm keeping my old ass home! If you young people can brave the cold, I say come on down! It's beautiful in Asbury Park at Christmas time. You can see stately, tasteful decorations and you can see some very busy, obnoxious ones, too! It gives me a good laugh, but you have to give it to the people who decorate like there's no tomorrow! The Press put out a very beautiful publication on what's happening down here for the holidays. It's a keeper! Glenn, everybody here in Asbury Park loves you to death! You, the puppy and the duck! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dapawprint [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi New Beetoap, I have been compared with you by at least one person in this group and I feel the need to share with your observations. - We are both relatively new to AP - Neither of us lives within the City of AP. - We both make occasional visits (I suspect that I visit more often than you do, I may be wrong.) Here is my story: I visited AP for the first time in 1999. After a nearly 4 hour trip to Six Flags and dealing with a rainy day, I called a former co- worker from Morristown and asked if there was ANYTHING else to do in the area. I was encouraged to visit Paradise in Asbury Park. I had never heard of Asbury Park, NJ. I had three friends with me and I followed the directions precisely (no GPS's back then.) My friends were very vocal as we drove east on Asbury Avenue: What is this, Bosnia?; There are better places in Sarajevo. I parked the car and we all stared at Paradise. It was an Oasis in a sea of crap. That was 1999. I stepped out of my car onto a TILED parking lot knowing NOTHING about A.P., I did not realize that I was standing on the former floor tile of the Plaza Hotel. I actually thought that the parking lot had been tiled. THEN, I saw The Palace. It scared the crap out of me in the dark! Yes, Paradise was terrific, but I could not get the rest of A.P. out of my mind. I have spent the last 8 years learning as much as I can about the former Jewel of the Jersey Shore. I agree with you, there have been many un-truths in advertising. Hell, if Kellogg's changes the picture on the box of Cornflakes, they can legally call the product New and Improved! Sure, dates have been missed, there are always obstacles to overcome and it all takes time. I am hoping that you realize that when you are critical of Asbury Park - specifically in this Yahoo Group that you are not being critical of the Development Team or the City - you are being critical of the residents and the fans of Asbury Park. The majority of the residents of Asbury Park, until very recently, lived in a city which was spiraling into decline. When you post here and challenge the milestones (I agree that they are late in coming), you are in a way degrading the hope of a LOT of very hopeful people. I recall when Charlie was posting regularly and he had some disdain, I would try to encourage Charlie to go out, meet and talk to the people of Asbury Park. New Bee, you would not
