[AsburyPark] Re: Chutzpah, Service and Duty
Tom Paine nor Ben Franklin could have said this better! Bravo! Unashamedly and unabashedly, I remain, Sharon(Real Name)! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/8/2007 1:25:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bull. You've done nothing but complain. You took a half hearted shot a putting together a group for aging gays. You were certainly touting and wearing on your sleeve when you got your name in the paper for the idea. Mr. hero was going to help people for once in his life. Did you follow through? Show me the paper trail at your one promised shot at public service. Nothing but complain is an outright falsehood. I've suggested, commented, criticized, inquired, praised, reminisced, waxed nostalgically, presented anecdotes, and complained. But it is true that the majority of posts across the board from everyone in most groups is comprised of complaints. Same at council meetings and BOE meetings. What's the ratio in your collective writings of complaints to commendations? Your research and sources are very limited and incomplete. My attempt to facilitate a local chapter of SAGE was a trial balloon; I made no attempt to tout it; but Joe D'Andrea put in on his site. I never used hero in reference to myself, and I don't recall that it appeared any where in any paper, certainly not at my request. I didn't seek out any publicity except through Yahoo groups announcing months of meetings to brainstorm ideas and discuss the need for a local group. Like others who attempted similar special interest groups, everything was put on hold until there was a permanent home base for QSpot. I probably could take some lessons in how to facilitate a local franchise of a national group; however, as a teacher I don't need to prove to anyone or to publish shoe boxes of grateful letters over the years about lives I've positively impacted. My paper trail to help local charities and fund raising is none of anyone's business. I am a professional whose domain has been the written word, and I specialized in the use and misuse of words to promote ideas in the media. And I'm a johnny-come-lately to applying that expertise to issues outside the classroom. When asked on 60 Minutes why he continued to write, Bruce said because he has the chutzpah to believe he can make a difference, an impact, with what he writes. I'm no lyricist, but I can hitch my wagon to that concept. Similarly, finally, he and so many others have revived a quaint old idea: That's it's a citizen's civic duty to speak up and challenge ideas in the public square. And with that territory I fully expect the slime attacks that will be channeled through you. To paraphrase John Milton then, They also serve who write and speak out to question and to challenge You see fit to excoriate weekly: the Chamber of Commerce, Call for the Resignation of an elected councilman, Tillie groupies, Bruce, Pallone, presevation nazis, the APP Press, Clearwater, patriots with whom you disagree, etc. Where is it written that a Howell resident has a right to be critical (and not be taken to task for his words), but an AP resident doesn't? You are a public columnist among other things. Comments on what you say come with that territory. And if you can't take the heat, get out of the proverbial kitchen. It's your published/posted/blogged words that haunt you; own up to them and direct your responses to justifying your own paper trail without creating bogeymen who are stalking you. Daily, every public figure has to confront his or her own previous remarks. Why should you be an exception? You left this group twice because you were pissed by a host of others here who had taken you to task for what they saw as some reckless remarks. I left briefly to take a breather and post exclusively at four other groups where posts are moderated. It was the moniker MMM given me here which I accepted with pride and which ironically brought me back, along with some kind private notes like, You are missed, and from strangers at places like _Click here: Historic Building Architects_ (http://www.hba-llc.com/) I am not embarrassed by the content of any of my posts; I do not feel the need to retract any of them, nor have I been asked to do so by anyone. But if anyone finds some blatant hypocrisy, inconsistency or untruth, I will address what I said without exclusively relying on stock distractions, sarcasm, dismissals, or shooting the messenger. Would that you could do the same. My Country [ and City] Right or Wrong. When right to be kept right. When wrong, to be set right. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit
[AsburyPark] Re: Chutzpah, Service and Duty
I agree with your statement! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom, I haven't read all of these and don't plan to. But so that I understand correctly your argument - Mario should not be able to be critical of your statements and viewpoints because he does not contribute as much to the community as you do? I'm guessing that's not what you're trying to say - but wanted to be sure. I readily admit I may have missed it but I don't think I saw him actually critize your participation in service to Asbury Park. It's been over your statements and views. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Chutzpah, Service and Duty
Looks like I hit a nerve. You write nearly 700 words, and not one is about you helping Asbury Park. You have no sense of public service. Zero. Just keep complaining about us that roll up our sleeves and help. (I'm sure you'll write another 700 words about me, when the subject is about you, and how you don't kick in at all). --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/8/2007 1:25:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bull. You've done nothing but complain. You took a half hearted shot a putting together a group for aging gays. You were certainly touting and wearing on your sleeve when you got your name in the paper for the idea. Mr. hero was going to help people for once in his life. Did you follow through? Show me the paper trail at your one promised shot at public service. Nothing but complain is an outright falsehood. I've suggested, commented, criticized, inquired, praised, reminisced, waxed nostalgically, presented anecdotes, and complained. But it is true that the majority of posts across the board from everyone in most groups is comprised of complaints. Same at council meetings and BOE meetings. What's the ratio in your collective writings of complaints to commendations? Your research and sources are very limited and incomplete. My attempt to facilitate a local chapter of SAGE was a trial balloon; I made no attempt to tout it; but Joe D'Andrea put in on his site. I never used hero in reference to myself, and I don't recall that it appeared any where in any paper, certainly not at my request. I didn't seek out any publicity except through Yahoo groups announcing months of meetings to brainstorm ideas and discuss the need for a local group. Like others who attempted similar special interest groups, everything was put on hold until there was a permanent home base for QSpot. I probably could take some lessons in how to facilitate a local franchise of a national group; however, as a teacher I don't need to prove to anyone or to publish shoe boxes of grateful letters over the years about lives I've positively impacted. My paper trail to help local charities and fund raising is none of anyone's business. I am a professional whose domain has been the written word, and I specialized in the use and misuse of words to promote ideas in the media. And I'm a johnny-come-lately to applying that expertise to issues outside the classroom. When asked on 60 Minutes why he continued to write, Bruce said because he has the chutzpah to believe he can make a difference, an impact, with what he writes. I'm no lyricist, but I can hitch my wagon to that concept. Similarly, finally, he and so many others have revived a quaint old idea: That's it's a citizen's civic duty to speak up and challenge ideas in the public square. And with that territory I fully expect the slime attacks that will be channeled through you. To paraphrase John Milton then, They also serve who write and speak out to question and to challenge You see fit to excoriate weekly: the Chamber of Commerce, Call for the Resignation of an elected councilman, Tillie groupies, Bruce, Pallone, presevation nazis, the APP Press, Clearwater, patriots with whom you disagree, etc. Where is it written that a Howell resident has a right to be critical (and not be taken to task for his words), but an AP resident doesn't? You are a public columnist among other things. Comments on what you say come with that territory. And if you can't take the heat, get out of the proverbial kitchen. It's your published/posted/blogged words that haunt you; own up to them and direct your responses to justifying your own paper trail without creating bogeymen who are stalking you. Daily, every public figure has to confront his or her own previous remarks. Why should you be an exception? You left this group twice because you were pissed by a host of others here who had taken you to task for what they saw as some reckless remarks. I left briefly to take a breather and post exclusively at four other groups where posts are moderated. It was the moniker MMM given me here which I accepted with pride and which ironically brought me back, along with some kind private notes like, You are missed, and from strangers at places like _Click here: Historic Building Architects_ (http://www.hba-llc.com/) I am not embarrassed by the content of any of my posts; I do not feel the need to retract any of them, nor have I been asked to do so by anyone. But if anyone finds some blatant hypocrisy, inconsistency or untruth, I will address what I said without exclusively relying on stock distractions, sarcasm, dismissals, or shooting the messenger. Would that
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Chutzpah, Service and Duty
In a message dated 10/8/2007 9:20:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Looks like I hit a nerve. Rather looks like I hit a nerve by pointing out the hypocrisy in your accusing others what you've done numerous times in print. You write nearly 700 words, and not one is about you helping Asbury Park. Yup 700 words. Posted at 9:07. And you took 12 minutes to count the words and post at 9:19, indicating little time to consider or absorb anything I've said. Verbosity leads to unclear inarticulate things. GWB 11/30/96 You have no sense of public service. Zero. Just keep complaining about us that roll up our sleeves and helpand how you don't kick in at all). Mere assertions, negative epithets and Swift boating, without any support. (I'm sure you'll write another 700 words about me, when the subject is about you You've just fulfilled the definition of tactics previously noted: “One popular strategy is the practice of Winning by Losing. You've taken a badly flawed, wholly illogical argument, and then vigorously defend it while mocking and insulting the other. Your own comments about patriotism and service et al. are reckless and foolish, but this is all apparently part of the plan. However I won't take that bait: The victim becomes noticeably angry by trying to repeatedly explain the flaws of the argument. Provoking this anger was the one and only goal from the very beginning.” The record of anything I've said is available for careful public scrutiny, not just word counting. If there were a battle for hearts and minds, I'd feel secure in everything I've questioned or challenged. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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It looks like this has become a one-on-one discussion at this point. Why don't you guys take it to email - or a dark alley - and fight it out there. How about another great weekend on the beach! Hard to believe it's October but I'll take it. Let's talk about that - or anything that actually invovles Asbury Park Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's talk about that - or anything that actually invovles Asbury Park This is a very Asbury Park topic. You have a camp of complainers, Mario being an exemplar, that can't name one time where they gave of themselves to a service effort to Asbury Park. Yet he will endlessly criticize the work of others who do volunteer and work hard. STILL CAN'T NAME ONE THING YOU'VE GIVEN OF YOURSELF, CAN YOU MARIO!!! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Tom, I haven't read all of these and don't plan to. But so that I understand correctly your argument - Mario should not be able to be critical of your statements and viewpoints because he does not contribute as much to the community as you do? I'm guessing that's not what you're trying to say - but wanted to be sure. I readily admit I may have missed it but I don't think I saw him actually critize your participation in service to Asbury Park. It's been over your statements and views. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: Let's talk about that - or anything that actually invovles Asbury Park This is a very Asbury Park topic. You have a camp of complainers, Mario being an exemplar, that can't name one time where they gave of themselves to a service effort to Asbury Park. Yet he will endlessly criticize the work of others who do volunteer and work hard. STILL CAN'T NAME ONE THING YOU'VE GIVEN OF YOURSELF, CAN YOU MARIO!!! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Chutzpah, Service and Duty
In a message dated 10/8/2007 9:20:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You have no sense of public service. Zero. Just keep complaining about us that roll up our sleeves and help. Partial list of people, trends and causes in AP which I support and have publicly touted. New investors some refer to as Carpetbaggers; Kate Mellina's Cleopatra Steps Out back then and columns now; Richard Virgilio's B Plot; Frank D'Alessandro's informative columns and posts. Restore Radio; Preservation activists; Paramount's interior restoration, BOE candidates who challenge the status quo; Restaurant Row Cookman Ave entrepreneurs; George Lister's reclamation of the 5th and Memorial corner. Pereaux and Harrison investors for their faith and risk-taking in AP. Crossroads food and music venue. Clementines and others in their fight against selective code enforcement; SUFA and Homeowners endorsements; Habitat's ReStore; Future Started Here ticket last election; Shep's early faith, investment, and promotions in AP; The Coaster's journalism, better and better each month; TriCity's cheerleading in the early years; Helen Pike's and Peter Lucia's commitment to researching and recording AP's history; The multiculturalism now welcomed in AP; APPD's and FD's quick responses; Louie, the bike guy's unique business; City Hall and Kiki support for civil unions; Garden State Equality; A Nieuw AP which eschews chauvinism and which recognizes tolerance is good business. Clearwater's contribution to tourism here. Eminent Domain when it is used as intended for the public's but not merely for private interests. JR's supporting for the BOE's decision to close schools for public safety at one point. The unjust jailing for code violations when violent criminals go free. Benefits for SPCA, Cancer, AIDS and Toys for Tots. There's more, but the above reveals no slavish adherence to any particular local team. None of the above offer any financial benefit or public status to me. What I support and what I criticize are cheered and booed by some of the same people. I like it that way. We also serve who challenge, question, write, and donate -- with no prospect for financial gain, tax advantages, pats on the back, public stature for any of it. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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AsburyCouple, When Rook criticized the Mayor's Ball (a new topic started by him if I recall), I simply, politely, asked him for his reasons why he criticized it since it raises money to help Asbury kids. Note well: I was even personlly mentioned in his post. Rook didn't respond. Mario did. He posted some links about waste in the lottery system (?). I asked him for a direct answer. As you can see, he won't answer, instead typing 700 words about how much he hates me (in one post; we are into the thousands of words today already about his favorite topic - me). No offense AsburyCouple, but this isn't the first time you jump into one of these by addressing me about the problem; you never take him on. I've never seen you ask Mario, when he goes off on one of his thousand word screeds about me , if he agrees with my right to speak. You only draw conclusion about me when I respone to him? I've never seen you ask him to stop. I didn't start it - I was the only one mentioned in Rook's post, and then there were insinuations of something untoward about money and the Mayor's ball made by Mario. I should say northing? That's my reputation he is trying to soil - for nothing more than raising money for Asbury kids? Let me see you address Mario about this conversation instead of me. Be fair (I think you are). Address Mario directly. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom, I haven't read all of these and don't plan to. But so that I understand correctly your argument - Mario should not be able to be critical of your statements and viewpoints because he does not contribute as much to the community as you do? I'm guessing that's not what you're trying to say - but wanted to be sure. I readily admit I may have missed it but I don't think I saw him actually critize your participation in service to Asbury Park. It's been over your statements and views. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: Let's talk about that - or anything that actually invovles Asbury Park This is a very Asbury Park topic. You have a camp of complainers, Mario being an exemplar, that can't name one time where they gave of themselves to a service effort to Asbury Park. Yet he will endlessly criticize the work of others who do volunteer and work hard. STILL CAN'T NAME ONE THING YOU'VE GIVEN OF YOURSELF, CAN YOU MARIO!!! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Chutzpah, Service and Duty
Mario I asked you for a list of YOUR public service, and you list the service of othes to whom you've said Nice job (aka kissed their rears). So what? What about YOU? Where have I seen you with your sleeves rolled up and working as a volunteer in AP? What fundraisors have I seen you supporting? ZERO. NOTHING. ZILCH. But you have the NERVE to criticise the good people who vounteer to host and promoet the Mayors Ball, and give their hard earned money to Asbury kids. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/8/2007 9:20:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You have no sense of public service. Zero. Just keep complaining about us that roll up our sleeves and help. Partial list of people, trends and causes in AP which I support and have publicly touted. New investors some refer to as Carpetbaggers; Kate Mellina's Cleopatra Steps Out back then and columns now; Richard Virgilio's B Plot; Frank D'Alessandro's informative columns and posts. Restore Radio; Preservation activists; Paramount's interior restoration, BOE candidates who challenge the status quo; Restaurant Row Cookman Ave entrepreneurs; George Lister's reclamation of the 5th and Memorial corner. Pereaux and Harrison investors for their faith and risk-taking in AP. Crossroads food and music venue. Clementines and others in their fight against selective code enforcement; SUFA and Homeowners endorsements; Habitat's ReStore; Future Started Here ticket last election; Shep's early faith, investment, and promotions in AP; The Coaster's journalism, better and better each month; TriCity's cheerleading in the early years; Helen Pike's and Peter Lucia's commitment to researching and recording AP's history; The multiculturalism now welcomed in AP; APPD's and FD's quick responses; Louie, the bike guy's unique business; City Hall and Kiki support for civil unions; Garden State Equality; A Nieuw AP which eschews chauvinism and which recognizes tolerance is good business. Clearwater's contribution to tourism here. Eminent Domain when it is used as intended for the public's but not merely for private interests. JR's supporting for the BOE's decision to close schools for public safety at one point. The unjust jailing for code violations when violent criminals go free. Benefits for SPCA, Cancer, AIDS and Toys for Tots. There's more, but the above reveals no slavish adherence to any particular local team. None of the above offer any financial benefit or public status to me. What I support and what I criticize are cheered and booed by some of the same people. I like it that way. We also serve who challenge, question, write, and donate -- with no prospect for financial gain, tax advantages, pats on the back, public stature for any of it. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Chutzpah, Service and Duty
In a message dated 10/8/2007 11:08:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: AsburyCouple, When Rook criticized the Mayor's Ball (a new topic started by him if I recall), I simply, politely, asked him for his reasons why he criticized it since it raises money to help Asbury kids. Note well: I was even personlly mentioned in his post. Rook didn't respond. Mario did. He posted some links about waste in the lottery system (?). I asked him for a direct answer. As you can see, he won't answer, I answered in a simplified post here: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/30370_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/30370) ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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You know Tom, you do have a valid point. Likely because I so often disagree with you on point of view I probably am quicker to be critical of you than of Mario, others and even myself on tone and delivery. The reality is I think far too many people on this board take liberty with fact, making accusations and insinuations without the slightest shred of fact. Both of you do. And I'm sure occassionally so do I. So in the fair and balanced spirit I'd again ask you both to take your personal argument to a personal place - email is a much better vehicle for the discussion you are having than this group. I'll even buy you both a beer if you want to do it in person, but disavow any responsibility for personal injury or property damange. And I will ask everyone, starting with myself, to avoid taking leaps of logic to unfounded conclusions without facts to back them up. I'm not speaking to any particular string of topics or any particular people, but to the general discource in this group that some times gets both highly personal and way out of hand.
[AsburyPark] Re: Chutzpah, Service and Duty
Then maybe AsburyCouple will tell me what answer you gave in your post. I have no time for your little riddle. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/8/2007 11:08:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: AsburyCouple, When Rook criticized the Mayor's Ball (a new topic started by him if I recall), I simply, politely, asked him for his reasons why he criticized it since it raises money to help Asbury kids. Note well: I was even personlly mentioned in his post. Rook didn't respond. Mario did. He posted some links about waste in the lottery system (?). I asked him for a direct answer. As you can see, he won't answer, I answered in a simplified post here: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/30370_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/30370) ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 10/8/2007 11:14:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But you have the NERVE to criticise the good people who vounteer to host and promoet the Mayors Ball, and give their hard earned money to Asbury kids. Don't attribute words to me I didn't make: I didn't criticize the ball or the people, just your hostility to someone's joking questions. _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/30370_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/30370) ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So in the fair and balanced spirit I'd again ask you both to Respectfully, not good enough for me. You addressed me peronally, by myself. Do it to him. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Grow up. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't criticize the ball or the people, just your hostility to someone's joking questions. Bull. In response to the question of why criticize the Mayor's Ball, you linked to the article about money from the lottery not going to where it is promised. That's no friggin joke. You were insinuating that the folks from the Mayor's Ball are not spending the money as promised. That would be a crime, not a joke. You impugned the reputations of the people that organize the Ball and contribute to it. Now you say it was a joke? What was funny about it, Michael Richards? Asbury Couple don't tell me to just go away. Instead, tell your friend hear to post is proofs that the money from the Mayor's Ball is not going where intended. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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To quote a wise man: Is it possible? Could we all chill out and have intelligent conversations here? It's ok to disagree, but let's all try and show a little restraint sometimes. There is no need to always be right, or betteror whatever. Thank you. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: I didn't criticize the ball or the people, just your hostility to someone's joking questions. Bull. In response to the question of why criticize the Mayor's Ball, you linked to the article about money from the lottery not going to where it is promised. That's no friggin joke. You were insinuating that the folks from the Mayor's Ball are not spending the money as promised. That would be a crime, not a joke. You impugned the reputations of the people that organize the Ball and contribute to it. Now you say it was a joke? What was funny about it, Michael Richards? Asbury Couple don't tell me to just go away. Instead, tell your friend hear to post is proofs that the money from the Mayor's Ball is not going where intended. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Chutzpah, Service and Duty
Mario accuses people of stealing and for asking him why I'm supposed to just get along? Say somehting to him about his defamatory allegation, or is your view that the board is OK for such statements? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To quote a wise man: Is it possible? Could we all chill out and have intelligent conversations here? It's ok to disagree, but let's all try and show a little restraint sometimes. There is no need to always be right, or betteror whatever. Thank you. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: I didn't criticize the ball or the people, just your hostility to someone's joking questions. Bull. In response to the question of why criticize the Mayor's Ball, you linked to the article about money from the lottery not going to where it is promised. That's no friggin joke. You were insinuating that the folks from the Mayor's Ball are not spending the money as promised. That would be a crime, not a joke. You impugned the reputations of the people that organize the Ball and contribute to it. Now you say it was a joke? What was funny about it, Michael Richards? Asbury Couple don't tell me to just go away. Instead, tell your friend hear to post is proofs that the money from the Mayor's Ball is not going where intended. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Chutzpah, Service and Duty
I will not single anybody out. Nope. Not gonna do it. We all graduated high school many years ago. Let's not fall into the trap of this he said/ she said nah nah nah nah na stuff. We are adults here. We are all here because we love and care about Asbury Park. (at least I think so) We all need to try harder. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario accuses people of stealing and for asking him why I'm supposed to just get along? Say somehting to him about his defamatory allegation, or is your view that the board is OK for such statements? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: To quote a wise man: Is it possible? Could we all chill out and have intelligent conversations here? It's ok to disagree, but let's all try and show a little restraint sometimes. There is no need to always be right, or betteror whatever. Thank you. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: I didn't criticize the ball or the people, just your hostility to someone's joking questions. Bull. In response to the question of why criticize the Mayor's Ball, you linked to the article about money from the lottery not going to where it is promised. That's no friggin joke. You were insinuating that the folks from the Mayor's Ball are not spending the money as promised. That would be a crime, not a joke. You impugned the reputations of the people that organize the Ball and contribute to it. Now you say it was a joke? What was funny about it, Michael Richards? Asbury Couple don't tell me to just go away. Instead, tell your friend hear to post is proofs that the money from the Mayor's Ball is not going where intended. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Chutzpah, Service and Duty
Tom, as I stated in my earlier email I have not, and will not, read through the massive trail of back and forth you both have been subjecting everyone to. Please take it offline. Or don't. Whatever. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario accuses people of stealing and for asking him why I'm supposed to just get along? Say somehting to him about his defamatory allegation, or is your view that the board is OK for such statements? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: To quote a wise man: Is it possible? Could we all chill out and have intelligent conversations here? It's ok to disagree, but let's all try and show a little restraint sometimes. There is no need to always be right, or betteror whatever. Thank you. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: I didn't criticize the ball or the people, just your hostility to someone's joking questions. Bull. In response to the question of why criticize the Mayor's Ball, you linked to the article about money from the lottery not going to where it is promised. That's no friggin joke. You were insinuating that the folks from the Mayor's Ball are not spending the money as promised. That would be a crime, not a joke. You impugned the reputations of the people that organize the Ball and contribute to it. Now you say it was a joke? What was funny about it, Michael Richards? Asbury Couple don't tell me to just go away. Instead, tell your friend hear to post is proofs that the money from the Mayor's Ball is not going where intended. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Chutzpah, Service and Duty
No one is asking you to read through anything. Just tell me what you think he meant about he Mayor's Ball when he posted a link about money not going where promised. What do you think he meant? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom, as I stated in my earlier email I have not, and will not, read through the massive trail of back and forth you both have been subjecting everyone to. Please take it offline. Or don't. Whatever. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Mario accuses people of stealing and for asking him why I'm supposed to just get along? Say somehting to him about his defamatory allegation, or is your view that the board is OK for such statements? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: To quote a wise man: Is it possible? Could we all chill out and have intelligent conversations here? It's ok to disagree, but let's all try and show a little restraint sometimes. There is no need to always be right, or betteror whatever. Thank you. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: I didn't criticize the ball or the people, just your hostility to someone's joking questions. Bull. In response to the question of why criticize the Mayor's Ball, you linked to the article about money from the lottery not going to where it is promised. That's no friggin joke. You were insinuating that the folks from the Mayor's Ball are not spending the money as promised. That would be a crime, not a joke. You impugned the reputations of the people that organize the Ball and contribute to it. Now you say it was a joke? What was funny about it, Michael Richards? Asbury Couple don't tell me to just go away. Instead, tell your friend hear to post is proofs that the money from the Mayor's Ball is not going where intended. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Chutzpah, Service and Duty
In a message dated 10/8/2007 11:51:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What do you think he meant? Anyone who's interested can find out at [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) My last word here on this thread ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Re: Chutzpah, Service and Duty
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It looks like this has become a one-on-one discussion at this point. Why don't you guys take it to email - or a dark alley - and fight it out there. How about another great weekend on the beach! Hard to believe it's October but I'll take it. Let's talk about that - or anything that actually invovles Asbury Park Oustanding. Swimming in October. Anyone see the guys with two parrots and a cockatoo this weekend on the beach? This town has something for everyone. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
