[AsburyPark] Re: Fishman in AP
What about embedded Judith Miller, whose ONLY source, was what the Defense Department TOLD her and oh, I forgot, that bastion of truth, Scooter Libby! Don't get me started! Wasn't going to get involved in the JR vs. Mario, dustup, but you asked for it! The fake journalists, inserted with the REAL ones, in the White House briefings, the fake press conference with staff, posing as journalists; was that the State Department? The fake intelligence cooked to look as though it were the truth; see Colin Powell's address to the UN and on and on! You want FAKE, I'll show you fake! JR, everyone is entitled to an opinion, but to negate someone, simply because you don't agree is one of the reasons we're in deep doo-doo, now! Who goes to jail now, for outing a CIA operative, whose career, was not only ruined by Dick Cheney, Scooter Libby and possibly the President? Bush said, he's FIRE anyone, for doing this, the son, of the former HEAD of the CIA, Bush, senior! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: So where are the supporting facts for our claim below? In a message dated 12/4/2007 7:31:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, justifiedright@ writes: so history gets distorted read the New York Times for proof of that. ? Jayson. Blair. Could say more - don't need to. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Fishman in AP
Sorry, Mario, hadn't read this, but you trumped me better, than I could have expressed myself. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/6/2007 9:14:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jayson. Blair. Could say more - don't need to. You'd need more than one liners in order to disparage a company internationally recognized as a newspaper of record. But don't bother Jayson Blair was an unethical reporter and he was fired when his reports were found to be falsified. Judith Miller's reporting made national headlines when she foolishly fell for leaks from the White House. That WH then tried to lend credibility to its misinformation by quoting the NYT. The Times, true to its professionalism, established a public editor and ombudsman to deal with such issues, and to their credit issued an apology for not vetting WH info during the lead up to the Iraq war. No comparison with Novak, Coulter, Rove, Rush, Malkin, or any of Rupert's propaganda machines. **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Fishman in AP
In a message dated 12/4/2007 7:31:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This isn't directed at you Oak, but to some people, several on this board, history is far more sexy if it involves scandal and greed and bad guys. Far too boring if it doesn't; so history gets distorted read the New York Times for proof of that. or how 'bout that TriCity column? So where do we go for the undistorted truth? Rush, Coulter and Malkin -- as you've recommended more than once here? **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301)
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So where do we go for the undistorted truth? Ask a mermaid or a unicorn if you are looking for something that doesn't exist. I treat news like I'm a juror - I read and watch both sides, particularly the advocates. Then I make up my own mind. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Fishman in AP
In a message dated 12/4/2007 10:48:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I just read the most interesting article in the Law Journal. It was written by a fellow who describes himself as the Self Imposed Exiled Something or Other from APNJ Well this fellow has discovered a double secret statute (seen only by him and kept hermetically sealed in a mayonnaise jar on Funk Wagnalls' porch) that says sometimes ...Who knew? Ridicule is a poor substitute for a counter argument. Now if I could only get him to share the statute and/or case law that supports his position. So where are the supporting facts for our claim below? In a message dated 12/4/2007 7:31:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: so history gets distorted read the New York Times for proof of that. ? An assertion. **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301)
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Fishman in AP
In a message dated 12/6/2007 7:12:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ask a mermaid or a unicorn if you are looking for something that doesn't exist. Primary sources do exit. I treat news like I'm a juror - I read and watch both sides, particularly the advocates. Then I make up my own mind. If no primary sources are available, then professional analysts or journalists with a record for integrity. There are advocates and then there are advocates with hidden agendas, advocates who spin, distort, Swift Boat, and use fear and distractions. **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301)
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So where are the supporting facts for our claim below? In a message dated 12/4/2007 7:31:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: so history gets distorted read the New York Times for proof of that. ? Jayson. Blair. Could say more - don't need to. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Michael Finkel. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/6/2007 9:14:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jayson. Blair. Could say more - don't need to. You'd need more than one liners in order to disparage a company internationally recognized as a newspaper of record. But don't bother Jayson Blair was an unethical reporter and he was fired when his reports were found to be falsified. Judith Miller's reporting made national headlines when she foolishly fell for leaks from the White House. That WH then tried to lend credibility to its misinformation by quoting the NYT. The Times, true to its professionalism, established a public editor and ombudsman to deal with such issues, and to their credit issued an apology for not vetting WH info during the lead up to the Iraq war. No comparison with Novak, Coulter, Rove, Rush, Malkin, or any of Rupert's propaganda machines. **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007? NCID=aoltop000301) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Fishman in AP
In a message dated 12/6/2007 9:14:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jayson. Blair. Could say more - don't need to. You'd need more than one liners in order to disparage a company internationally recognized as a newspaper of record. But don't bother Jayson Blair was an unethical reporter and he was fired when his reports were found to be falsified. Judith Miller's reporting made national headlines when she foolishly fell for leaks from the White House. That WH then tried to lend credibility to its misinformation by quoting the NYT. The Times, true to its professionalism, established a public editor and ombudsman to deal with such issues, and to their credit issued an apology for not vetting WH info during the lead up to the Iraq war. No comparison with Novak, Coulter, Rove, Rush, Malkin, or any of Rupert's propaganda machines. **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301)
[AsburyPark] Re: Fishman in AP
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My post was about me not them. Just wanted to make the point to certain folks that I knew what I was talking about when I said a bankruptcy trustee's job is to maximize the income, so anyone could have walked in and bid more, whether the City liked it or not. == Once again mis-information is perpetuated, due to not considering the entire picture and facts. Comparing Apples/Oranges - a normal bankruptcy involving private parties is vastly different from a bankruptcy involving a municipality and rights held in 'public trust' through a redevelopment contract. The City had to approve of any transfer of the redevelopment rights, the judge could not force a settlement upon the City. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don;t scratch an old wound. We've moved on. I am not going to crucify people anymore for what happened - I want forward movement, but don't try to make it right. == But unless one pays attention to history and the dysfunctional process by which we arrived at the 'now' - we are doomed to repeat mistakes. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: deal than Fishman offered, but no one offered. I say some support for my assertion in the press today. Read below: Two completely different scenarios. Not as far as the Trustee is concerned. Sell for top dollar to turn funds back to creditors. Maybe Dan the Man is right and I shouldn't have brought it up. This isn't directed at you Oak, but to some people, several on this board, history is far more sexy if it involves scandal and greed and bad guys. Far too boring if it doesn't; so history gets distorted. Watch CNN or read the New York Times for proof of that. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Fishman in AP
Some people never learn. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: My post was about me not them. Just wanted to make the point to certain folks that I knew what I was talking about when I said a bankruptcy trustee's job is to maximize the income, so anyone could have walked in and bid more, whether the City liked it or not. == Once again mis-information is perpetuated, due to not considering the entire picture and facts. Comparing Apples/Oranges - a normal bankruptcy involving private parties is vastly different from a bankruptcy involving a municipality and rights held in 'public trust' through a redevelopment contract. The City had to approve of any transfer of the redevelopment rights, the judge could not force a settlement upon the City. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This isn't directed at you Oak, but to some people, several on this board, history is far more sexy if it involves scandal and greed and bad guys. Far too boring if it doesn't; so history gets distorted. === So who is it directed at? Nobody brought up scandal, greed and bad guys until you just did. If the word history bothers you, lets call it the Record. For the Record - The City had complete control of who would get the Redevelopment Rights - that's a fact. For you to claim that this Deal was forced upon the City is simply false. Thats the issue. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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The article I posted yesterday is proof of what I say. I know I won't convince you even with proof before your eyes. At least when people look back, I was here to ensure the record was made clear. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: This isn't directed at you Oak, but to some people, several on this board, history is far more sexy if it involves scandal and greed and bad guys. Far too boring if it doesn't; so history gets distorted. === So who is it directed at? Nobody brought up scandal, greed and bad guys until you just did. If the word history bothers you, lets call it the Record. For the Record - The City had complete control of who would get the Redevelopment Rights - that's a fact. For you to claim that this Deal was forced upon the City is simply false. Thats the issue. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - I know it wasn't directed at me. You bought up something that I''ve been involved with as ugly as it is. Here's a few interesting notes on Dwek in AP: 1. Railroad Plaza at the corner of Springwood and Memorial - the strip center. That was a Dwek Property. It sold for $1.450,000 prior to the bankruptcy in the state court (Lehrer handled). 2. 704-706 Monroe- This is still a Dwek Property and is available. Dwek paid $210,000 for the boarded up house. He then got the got the lot to the west of it from JCFS for $175,000. It's available. Submit a contract and see if flies... 3. Dwek also owns two lots off springwood - one on Ave A, was approved for 3 townhomes, but were never built. According to records, he paid $250,000 for this. I have no comment. For not more then $20,000, it might work (that would be if the trustee and creditors committe accpepted such a low offer), figuring you need minimum $400,000 to drop these down, site work etc. There was also another lot, same idea, the city didn't approve. I have all the plans and engineering. Tommy, you're right it is the trustee's job to maximize value. In the Dwek case, there are numerous creditors - like WAMU or AMBOY with lawyers pushing it along. In the OLD Cab case, it just meandered along. So in that sense, Werner is correct. Doesn't matter now whose right or wrong. Hopefully things will keep moving along the RE market will pop again. It's amazing, in the spirit of maximizing value, how quickly those attorney bills add up - from $210 hour up to $650 hour. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: it did meander along - lost in out of state courts and it wasn't pushed (by the city) as hard as it could of. Some smart and risky moves were made along the way to gain control of the rights. One of those was buying the tax liens at the time. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... In the OLD Cab case, it just meandered along. So in that sense, Werner is correct. Doesn't matter now whose right or wrong. Hopefully things will keep moving along the RE market will pop again. == It didn't just meander along, The City had to approve of the Development Rights Transfer no matter who came along to take over Carabetta's position. The correct facts do matter (not Who's right), otherwise future decisions are based upon bad information. It's time to stop waiting for a housing turn around. The PLAN was a bad one from the start, s disaster waiting to happen. The City is in deep s**t financially because of it. It is time to revise the plan in a major way to take advantage of state of the art economic planning. Something that was completely ignored in the current version. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The article I posted yesterday is proof of what I say. I know I won't convince you even with proof before your eyes. === You really are unbelievable, falling back to your old ways of making associations that do not apply and calling it proof. I'm certain folks can see that the article has NOTHING to do with Asbury Park's situation and the deal that was made. Sarcasm ON OK, yes the City of Asbury Park was forced by a Connecticut Bankruptcy Trustee and Judge to hand over the Redevelopment rights to Asbury Partners. The City had no say in the matter. Sarcasm OFF Where do you come up with this stuff ? Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I just read the most interesting article in the Law Journal. It was written by a fellow who describes himself as the Self Imposed Exiled Something or Other from APNJ. Apparantly this fellow has determined that every single Bankruptcy lawyer and judge in the entire Federal System has had it wrong all these years. Here we were thinking that Federal Statute says that immediately upon the filing of Bankruptcy, the assets of the debtor become the property of the Trustee to be disposed of for the benefit of creditors. I guess we were all thrown off the Federal Statute that, you know, says that. Well this fellow has discovered a double secret statute (seen only by him and kept hermetically sealed in a mayonnaise jar on Funk Wagnalls' porch) that says sometimes the assets are not controlled by the trustee, are not subject to the ruling of the judge, rather a third party has veto power over all of it. This is huge news. It throws the entirety of Bankruptcy Law into disarray. According to the article, if the Trustee and the Judge obtain an offer from a high bidder, some third parties can tell the trustee and the judge to go screw. Such power! As further support for his discovery, he cites several atta boys from Internet posting friends, which appear to have the force and effect of Federal Case law. Who knew? I'll be citing it all as binding authority in my next brief. Now if I could only get him to share the statute and/or case law that supports his position. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: The article I posted yesterday is proof of what I say. I know I won't convince you even with proof before your eyes. === You really are unbelievable, falling back to your old ways of making associations that do not apply and calling it proof. I'm certain folks can see that the article has NOTHING to do with Asbury Park's situation and the deal that was made. Sarcasm ON OK, yes the City of Asbury Park was forced by a Connecticut Bankruptcy Trustee and Judge to hand over the Redevelopment rights to Asbury Partners. The City had no say in the matter. Sarcasm OFF Where do you come up with this stuff ? Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it did meander along - lost in out of state courts and it wasn't pushed (by the city) as hard as it could of. Some smart and risky moves were made along the way to gain control of the rights. One of those was buying the tax liens at the time. In that sense - meander it did. The City should have foreclosed on all the delinquent tax accounts and should have vigorously prosecuted its case that the redevelopment contract was in default. We would be 20 years ahead of where we are now. OK - so lets move forward - problem with that is the powers that be refuse to take good advice. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But unless one pays attention to history and the dysfunctional process by which we arrived at the 'now' - we are doomed to repeat mistakes. Werner Agreed, but it is a balancing act with trying not to get mired down in the past. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Fishman in AP
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .. As further support for his discovery, he cites several atta boys from Internet posting friends, which appear to have the force and effect of Federal Case law. Who knew? I'll be citing it all as binding authority in my next brief. Now if I could only get him to share the statute and/or case law that supports his position. = Where do you come up with atta boys ??? Now your seeing things. Buy yourself a subscription to the AP Press archives for starters: http://tinyurl.com/2cbqld Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Now if I could only get him to share the statute and/or case law that supports his position. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: .. As further support for his discovery, he cites several atta boys from Internet posting friends, which appear to have the force and effect of Federal Case law. Who knew? I'll be citing it all as binding authority in my next brief. Now if I could only get him to share the statute and/or case law that supports his position. = Where do you come up with atta boys ??? Now your seeing things. Buy yourself a subscription to the AP Press archives for starters: http://tinyurl.com/2cbqld Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Fishman in AP
Here we were thinking that Federal Statute says that immediately upon the filing of Bankruptcy, the assets of the debtor become the property of the Trustee to be disposed of for the benefit of creditors. as in the Dwek case, people don't realize that dwek still owns the properties...meanwhile, the creditors,professionals, lenders brokers and even some attorneys are left waiting to collect, hoping the current trustees and other professionals handling the disposal for the benefit of the creditors don't wipe out the estate with fees. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Fishman in AP
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Over the years, we've had several debates about how Fishman got the Redevelopment rights and whether the got a sweetheart deal, an inside deal, etc. I've always taken the postion that not only did he not get any special deal, but anyone could have walked into the bankruptcy court and offered more than the $13 million Fishman did and walked away with the rights. I based that on the bankruptcy trustee having one goal in mind - to raise as much money for creditors as he can. He would have taken any bigger deal than Fishman offered, but no one offered. I say some support for my assertion in the press today. Read below: Don;t scratch an old wound. We've moved on. Even those who approved the deal wish Partners would dissappear. It gets us no where to continue being Sunday morning quarterbacks. Whether it was corrupt, legit, the best that they could do, or a smart deal, Fishman and Partners screwed the city and the city finds it hard to get from out under the deal. The only issue of the past that i would bring up is if its continued today and that for me is to continue taking advice from Aaron. He either knew or should have known. I won't rehash the fact that he allowed the city to sign something that held all schedules in abeyance if there was litigation pending against the WRP. You will recall that he allowed the city to sign that when there was in fact litigation pending. It was a no go from the start. I am not going to crucify people anymore for what happened - I want forward movement, but don't try to make it right. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Fishman in AP
My post was about me not them. Just wanted to make the point to certain folks that I knew what I was talking about when I said a bankruptcy trustee's job is to maximize the income, so anyone could have walked in and bid more, whether the City liked it or not. You're right about not returning to the rest of the stuff and moving on. I gave Gary Mattola a big Christmas hug when I saw the inside of Convention Hall. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Over the years, we've had several debates about how Fishman got the Redevelopment rights and whether the got a sweetheart deal, an inside deal, etc. I've always taken the postion that not only did he not get any special deal, but anyone could have walked into the bankruptcy court and offered more than the $13 million Fishman did and walked away with the rights. I based that on the bankruptcy trustee having one goal in mind - to raise as much money for creditors as he can. He would have taken any bigger deal than Fishman offered, but no one offered. I say some support for my assertion in the press today. Read below: Don;t scratch an old wound. We've moved on. Even those who approved the deal wish Partners would dissappear. It gets us no where to continue being Sunday morning quarterbacks. Whether it was corrupt, legit, the best that they could do, or a smart deal, Fishman and Partners screwed the city and the city finds it hard to get from out under the deal. The only issue of the past that i would bring up is if its continued today and that for me is to continue taking advice from Aaron. He either knew or should have known. I won't rehash the fact that he allowed the city to sign something that held all schedules in abeyance if there was litigation pending against the WRP. You will recall that he allowed the city to sign that when there was in fact litigation pending. It was a no go from the start. I am not going to crucify people anymore for what happened - I want forward movement, but don't try to make it right. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Fishman in AP
deal than Fishman offered, but no one offered. I say some support for my assertion in the press today. Read below: Two completely different scenarios. Except that the Dwek fisaco and the AP deal are two great case studies for a law class. The first deal sold in the Dwek case since November was the former Cranes Fire building on Rt 35 in Neptune was my deal. It went for $380k. One of best commercial deals. The Farmingdale case should of closed prior to the bankruptcy, but didn't. I was in court the day that deal originally was auctioned off by Lehrer. Tommy, forget the board of Ed. Become an attorney for the trustee or action in Bankruptcy. You can go online in the bankruptcy system and see how much the new set of professionals are taking in. I think the new trustee is up to about $3 MILLION. The Dwek case is a big piggy bank for the attorneys. Amazing how they can screw the brokers. We all know that MOST people couldn't get involved in AP at that period in time. There were way, way to many clouds and no one wanted to play the AP game. Larry and deserve credit for being able to pull it off and then benefit on the rest of the little guys coming in to do their thing. And Madison Marquette for the past year to make all seem rosy. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Fishman in AP
Who is Gary Mattola? I've heard his name mentioned twice in the last few posts. - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
