Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Puppies Lovers of Asbury, lend me your ear...
On Sep 27, 2007, at 1:38 PM, justifiedright wrote: Sorry about your boy McCloud. He got screwed. I can't believe Long Branch took the position that his property, which was where Pier Village is, was not on the Ocean. Do the advertise Pier Village as not being on the Ocean? Oh what evil liberals have brought us with this post-Kelo eminant domain stuff. For shame; for shame. Tommy, This is where I disagree with you and people like Rush 100%. I know very, very few liberals who supported that decision. I love how the argument that many use is to say everything wrong with the world is because of liberals. Fact is, there are awful decisions made on both sides. And, once again, that's why I'm proud to be independent. I can spot phonyness either way AND not have to hide the fact that it's wrong. IMO, one of the basic ideas of America is that you can own land and not have the government take it away. The American Dream used to be of owning your own house. It should always be that way. Who knows? Maybe in a few years with another few Liberals on the bench, the ruling will be overturned... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Puppies Lovers of Asbury, lend me your ear...
I know who the judges were that supported it. What I'm saying is that all across the country there were liberals who spoke out about the decision as flat out wrong. This was, by no means, a totally liberal idea. On Sep 27, 2007, at 2:15 PM, justifiedright wrote: Gary, Gary Gary. This is where I disagree with you and people like Rush 100%. I know very, very few liberals who supported that decision. I guess you don't know the justices who made the Kelo decision. The Justice who wrote the Kelo decision: Stevens (liberal), was joined by: Ginsberg (liberal) Bryer (liberal) Souter (liberal) Kennedy (leans liberal) These Justices Dissented: Rhenquist (conservative) Scalia (conservative) Thomas (conservative) O'Conner (leans liberal) Now go take a look at every town in New Jersey that is using Eminant Domian. Almost exclusively they are run by Democrats. Right here in Monmouth County you have Asbury Park, Long Branch, Neptune and Belmar. Democrat, Democrat, Democrat, Democrat. The facts are what they are. Eminant Domain abuse and disrespect for property rights is a chronic sickness of the left and the Democrat party. I'm not saying you won't find a single example of a Re;ublican using it. You will. But by and large, its the other way. IMO, one of the basic ideas of America is that you can own land and not have the government take it away. The American Dream used to be of owning your own house. It should always be that way. Bravo I agree. Communism was based upon government ownership of the land. So who in America gave us Kelo? The liberals. What town councils are using it? The liberals. Who are more likely to call for more regulation of land, as opposed to deregulation? The liberals. Who wants to tax your land more not less? The liberals. You Gary, may be a conservative.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Puppies Lovers of Asbury, lend me your ear...
You're right; however taking away your land to build a school that is needed and getting fair price is different than having your homes removed so somebody else can build a home for somebody else. The basic principle is the same - the American Dream should be safe except for rare cases. This decision opened it up to many more cases than should ever have been allowed. Long Branch is one such example. How can anyone say someone with beachfront property was the owner of a blighted property? That's just ridiculous. On Sep 27, 2007, at 2:16 PM, dfsavgny wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMO, one of the basic ideas of America is that you can own land and not have the government take it away. Sorry Gary but the government always had the power to take it away. No one should deny them that right. What the argument is about (Kelo et al.) is why they take it and how much should they pay. I say they have the right to take it but only for public use not public purpose. And public use means just that, school, road, fire house, etc. Public purpose can and has meant almost anything those it power want it to mean.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Puppies Lovers of Asbury, lend me your ear...
Tommy, Wanna reconsider that liberals own this idea ?? As I said, there were many liberals who spoke out about this as a horrible decision. Liberals were far from united. Here's one example and my last post on the topic. (Although I think that as far as secondary topics, this one hits as close to Asbury Park as any political topic ever could) Homeowners Ask U.S. Supreme Court: Rehear Eminent Domain Case Washington, D.C.-The U.S. Supreme Court has one final chance to correct one of its most-despised decisions in recent memory-its ruling in Kelo v. City of New London, which allows the use of eminent domain for private development. Today the Institute for Justice will file a petition for rehearing on behalf of New London, Conn., homeowners asking the U.S. Supreme Court to reconsider its 5-4 ruling from June 23 that has already opened up the floodgates to eminent domain abuse. “We will be the first to admit that our chances of success with this motion are extremely small, but if there is any case that deserves to reheard by the Supreme Court, it is the Kelo case,” said Scott Bullock, senior attorney at the Washington, D.C.-based Institute for Justice. “This is the worst Supreme Court decision in years. Hopefully the Court will see the abuse of power that it has unleashed and will reconsider its misguided and dangerous opinion.” from The Free Liberal http://www.freeliberal.com/archives/001170.html From the Dictionary Free -- Not in bondage, servitude, or subjection to another Liberal -- Unprejudiced, open-minded; respectful of individual rights and freedoms -- from the New Shorter Oxford English Dictionary
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Puppies Lovers of Asbury, lend me your ear...
On Sep 27, 2007, at 2:31 PM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This was, by no means, a totally liberal idea. Yes. Yes it is. Liberals own this one. 100% Actually, I guess we can also blame whoever voted for: Gerald Ford (nominated John Paul Stevens) Ronald Reagan (nominated Anthony Kennedy) George H.W. Bush (nominated David Souter) They along with Ruth Ginsberg and Stephen Breyer (both from Bill Clinton) supported the decision. The defense rests. This was not a 100% liberal decision. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Puppies Lovers of Asbury, lend me your ear...
Well their definition of liberal is as I believe it to be as well. Liberal -- Unprejudiced, open-minded; respectful of individual rights and freedoms If this is a conservative group then more power to them for restoring the good name of liberalism. Thanks for pointing out that they're conservative in nature. I now have more respect for conservatives as a whole :) On Sep 27, 2007, at 3:08 PM, justifiedright wrote: By the way Gary, the Institute for Justice? Thats a pretty conservative group. They bill themselves libertarian (most conservatives claim to lean that way, me included). They are free market guys, and were funded by the same folks who funded the Cato Institute. They represent Kelo. Very, very far from liberal.
