date:20060101

Title: Re: [Assam] Illegal Bangladeshis, is it a myth?

>And  I DON'T agree with it.

But you failed to show me where they are 
showing their angst.

and I told you 

  >Please don't say that in the 
  present GOI system, nobody can make any voice, so let us go for independence 
  >etc.

  But you exactly did that in your 
  following statement.
  Heh Heh 
heh!!
*** I don't look at the political parties created in the dysfunctional 
desi-ways to guide me.

  I 
am saying No, because that is like: 
  Ahok Barixa, katok pat
  Roija bhinihi khaija bhat.

*** That does not mean a darn thing.

Sorry that means 
everything

  You 
are saying let be independent first.

*** Again -- it is a half truth, and does not tell the full story of 
why I say independence is essential.

That exactly means independence first 
before we do anything. That is another way of saying we cannot do anything 
now till we achieve independence. There is no pint in discussing these 
problems of Assam because there cannot be solution unless we have 
independence.
Or in other words: Hobo Diok.
It is like saying the Buddha's famous 
story of 'Poisoned Arrow'.
I say Hobo Diok.

RB

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Chan 
  Mahanta 
  To: Barua25 ; Ram Sarangapani 
  Cc: ASSAMNET 
  Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 3:56 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Assam] Illegal 
  Bangladeshis, is it a myth?

  Oh, no. Here we go again!

  At 2:48 PM -0600 1/1/06, Barua25 wrote:

I think we will have  to go by one at a 
time:
First do you agree in my statement
 "Where did you see any angst from any of the parties in 
  Assam?"

  *** First, it is a question, not a statement - of fact or fiction. 
  And  I DON'T agree with it. I read and hear a lot of it, right here, 
  forwarded by people like you. Or in the many websites.

>We also see angst from Shankar 
  Borua.
  >(Please don't ask who is he 
  and why I am bringing him here. That is not the issue).

  *** Why ? Is it liable to cause you trouble? But I will comply and keep 
  my curiosity at bay. But why do you bring in these people if they are not 
  relevant to the issues we are debating/discussing?

Yes I have angst.
You have angst.

  *** My angst is NOT the issue. Yours is. Because you are expressing yours 
  while accusing everyone else to be unconcerned about everything. So please do 
  not drag ME into it.

We also see angst from Shankar Borua.
(Please don't ask who is he and why I am bringing him here. That 
  is not the issue).
Or Gautam Prasad Barua.

But we donot belong to any party.

  *** So? Is it good or bad?

And our angst may not be the same, in fact are not 
same.
What I see you have angst why Assam is not 
independence.

  *** You miss the point by a mile. You are putting the cart before the 
  horse. My support for independence is for a series of reasons, which, from 
  simple observation of widely available information, cannot be resolved without 
  Assam having full control over its resources and governance.

I 
  have angst why nobody is talking about the 
  issues.

  *** But what HOLDS YOU BACK, from expressing what YOU see as issues 
  and offering YOUR solutions?

  That is my question that you are dancing all around, but would not 
  answer.

Shankar Borua has angst how we can exloit 
  people.
  *** Again, you are accusing someone of a grave misdeed, but would not 
  tell us what he did to deserve it, or how it is relevant to the 
  discussions.

You are saying let be independent 
  first.

  *** Again -- it is a half truth, and does not tell the full story of why 
  I say independence is essential. Why can't you accept what I categorically 
  say, instead of re-phrasing it in ways that alters its meaning ?

I 
  am saying No, because that is like: 
Ahok Barixa, katok pat
Roija bhinihi khaija bhat.

  *** That does not mean a darn thing. You need to tell us what you see as 
  problems, resolution of which does not require independence, and your 
  explanation on how.

  If you can do that credibly, your  assertions and opinions may make 
  some sense. But right now, they mean nothing.

Again back to the issue, we will have to go by one at a 
  time:
First do you agree in my statement or not.
 "Where did you see any angst from any of the parties in 
  Assam at present?"
I 
  put it in bold because it is an eye opening reality I am asking you to 
  realize.
If you donot agree,  please show me which political party is 
  voicing anything at all.

  *** I don't look at the political parties created in the dysfunctional 
  desi-ways to guide me. If I had any faith in their abilities I would be 
  working with them instead of you folks who can only say no or play inquisitor, 
  but are unable to explain

[Assam] Bold New World Of Galileo -Unrestricted by Uncle Sam

Netters ,take a break from the HObo Diok  club.mm
First Galileo Satellite is in Orbit 
Summary - (Dec 29, 2005) ESA's first Galileo satellite blasted off from the Baikonur Cosmodrome on Wednesday, atop a Russian Soyuz-Fregat rocket. The global positioning spacecraft is called Giove A, and it will demonstrate key technologies that the future Galileo satellites will use as well. It's also carrying radiation detectors on board, to give mission planners an idea of the radiation environment where the constellation will fly.
Full Story -





GIOVE-A deploys its solar arrays. Image credit: ESA . Click to enlargeThe first Galileo demonstrator is in orbit, marking the very first step to full operability of Europe's new global navigation satellite system, under a partnership between ESA and the European Commission (EC).Giove A, the first Galileo in-orbit validation element, was launched today from Baikonur, Kazakhstan, atop a Soyuz-Fregat vehicle operated by Starsem. Following a textbook lift-off at 05:19 UTC (06:19 CET), the Fregat upper stage performed a series of manoeuvres to reach a circular orbit at an altitude of 23 258 km, inclined at 56 degrees to the Equator, before safely deploying the satellite at 09:01:39 UTC (10:01:39 CET)."Years of fruitful cooperation between ESA and the EC have 
now provided a new facility in space for improving the life of European citizens on Earth" said ESA Director General Jean Jacques Dordain congratulating ESA and industrial teams on the successful launch.This 600 kg satellite, built by Surrey Satellite Technology Ltd (SSTL) of Guildford, in the UK, has a threefold mission. First, it will secure use of the frequencies allocated by the International Telecommunications Union (ITU) for the Galileo system. Second, it will demonstrate critical technologies for the navigation payload of future operational Galileo satellites. Third, it will characterise the radiation environment of the orbits planned for the Galileo constellation.Formerly known as GSTB-V2/A (Galileo System Test Bed Version 2), Giove A carries two redundant, small-size rubidium atomic clocks, each with a stability of 10 nanoseconds per day, and two signal 
generation units, one able to generate a simple Galileo signal and the other, more representative Galileo signals. These two signals will be broadcast through an L-band phased-array antenna designed to cover all of the visible Earth under the satellite. Two instruments will monitor the types of radiation to which the satellite is exposed during its two year mission.The satellite is under the control of SSTL's own ground station. All systems are performing well, the solar arrays are deployed and in-orbit checkout of the satellite has begun. Once the payload is activated, the Galileo signals broadcast by Giove A will be carefully analysed by ground stations to make sure they satisfy the criteria of the ITU filings.First step for GalileoA second demonstrator satellite, Giove B, built by the European consortium Galileo Industries, is currently being tested and will be 
launched later. It is due to demonstrate the Passive Hydrogen Maser (PHM), which, with a stability better than 1 nanosecond per day, will be the most accurate atomic clock ever launched into orbit. Two PHMs will be used as primary clocks onboard the operational Galileo satellites, with two rubidium clocks serving as backups.Subsequently, four operational satellites will be launched to validate the basic Galileo space and related ground segments. Once this In-Orbit Validation (IOV) phase is completed, the remaining satellites will be launched to achieve Full Operational Capability (FOC).Galileo will be Europe's own global navigation satellite system, providing a highly accurate, guaranteed global positioning service under civilian control. It will be inter-operable with the US Global Positioning System (GPS) and Russia's Global Navigation Satellite System (Glonass), the 
two other global satellite navigation systems. Galileo will deliver real-time positioning accuracy down to the metric range with unrivaled integrity.Numerous applications are planned for Galileo, including positioning and derived value-added services for transport by road, rail, air and sea, fisheries and agriculture, oil prospecting, civil protection activities, building, public works and telecommunications. Original Source: ESA Portal
 
 
 



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Re: [Assam] Fw: New Year Greeting from Rajen & Ajanta Barua



<<

Same to you and yours.- Chandan
Can I repeat the same.
 
 
What baffles us is -'Could such a sensitive Humanist be the anti- Assam- Liberation  Devil's Advocate he sounds like  in the Assamnet?'
 
mm


From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "Barua25" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Assam] Fw: New Year Greeting from Rajen & Ajanta BaruaDate: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 13:04:13 -0600



That was knock-out greetings card Rajen. One of the best I have seen. What pictures!

Same to you and yours.

c






At 8:54 AM -0600 12/31/05, Barua25 wrote:
 


 
2005 Has sped by
Now, we need to face 2006

There may be risks involved

We may need to face roadblocks

So stay alert

Share time with friends & family

Jump over obstacles

With care

And caution

Face challenges

Remember to laugh

Cooperate

Discover

Make new friends

Above all...be ready for adventure

Stick together

And you will be able to go far

Very far

Well, not quite that far

Always take time to smell the flowers

Don't forget to relax and enjoy

And never forget to love those dearest to you
 
Wish all the netters a
 
Happy and Prosperous New Year
2006
 
With Best Wishes,
 
Rajen & Ajanta Barua
 

Houston, Texas

 
 
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[Assam] Eureka!

<<>>
The root cause lies at the Constitution written to please the Nehru family ego"We are great Kasmir Brahmins(Pundits) and regardless who lives in Kashmir,WEmust have it. Also if Brits tried( Copying China) Mandarins(IAS's - some call them  ass's) to rule India - for Nehru -poor thing ,he was an ordinary brain -no love of the Dehat-'That must be the way .'And if Brits gave us the lockup,police,bar,barrister,jail,'My-Lord' 'These must be good.' 
 
Of course he had no idea of the Economy. He had no time to learn fromRussia- because he fell rightaway into CIA's trap- took in Dalai Lama  in lieu of a  Trombay Reactor. It was too late when Khruschev gave ONGC,Refineries, Steel Plants.They also gave Heavy Engineering Corps,BHEL, which are being sold off to the scrap dealer. 
He left India in the shit that is. Mao was cleverer in 1949.
 
The "Poor Hobo Diok " will have to finally liberate India.
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Re: [Assam] Illegal Bangladeshis, is it a myth?

Title: Re: [Assam] Illegal Bangladeshis, is it a
myth?

Oh, no. Here we go again!

At 2:48 PM -0600 1/1/06, Barua25 wrote:

I think we will have  to go by one at a
time:
First do you agree in my statement
 "Where did you see any angst from any of
the parties in Assam?"

*** First, it is a question, not a statement - of fact or
fiction. And  I DON'T agree with it. I read and hear a lot of it,
right here, forwarded by people like you. Or in the many
websites.

>We also see angst from Shankar
Borua.

>(Please don't
ask who is he and why I am bringing him here. That is not the
issue).

*** Why ? Is it liable to cause you trouble? But I will comply
and keep my curiosity at bay. But why do you bring in these people if
they are not relevant to the issues we are debating/discussing?

Yes I have angst.
You have angst.

*** My angst is NOT the issue. Yours is. Because you are
expressing yours while accusing everyone else to be unconcerned about
everything. So please do not drag ME into it.

We also see angst from Shankar
Borua.
(Please don't ask who is he and why I am bringing him
here. That is not the issue).
Or Gautam Prasad Barua.

But we donot belong to any party.

*** So? Is it good or bad?

And our angst may not be the same, in fact are not
same.
What I see you have angst why Assam is not
independence.

*** You miss the point by a mile. You are putting the cart before
the horse. My support for independence is for a series of reasons,
which, from simple observation of widely available information, cannot
be resolved without Assam having full control over its resources and
governance.

I have angst why nobody is talking about the
issues.

*** But what HOLDS YOU BACK, from expressing what YOU see as
issues and offering YOUR solutions?

That is my question that you are dancing all around, but would
not answer.

Shankar Borua has angst how we can exloit
people.

*** Again, you are accusing someone of a grave misdeed, but would not
tell us what he did to deserve it, or how it is relevant to the
discussions.

You are saying let be independent
first.

*** Again -- it is a half truth, and does not tell the full story
of why I say independence is essential. Why can't you accept what I
categorically say, instead of re-phrasing it in ways that alters its
meaning ?

I am saying No, because that is
like: 
Ahok Barixa, katok pat
Roija bhinihi khaija bhat.

*** That does not mean a darn thing. You need to tell us what you
see as problems, resolution of which does not require independence,
and your explanation on how.

If you can do that credibly, your  assertions and opinions
may make some sense. But right now, they mean nothing.

Again back to the issue, we will have to go
by one at a time:
First do you agree in my statement or
not.
 "Where did you see any angst from any of
the parties in Assam at present?"
I put it in bold because it is an eye opening reality
I am asking you to realize.
If you donot agree,  please show me which
political party is voicing anything at all.

*** I don't look at the political parties created in the
dysfunctional desi-ways to guide me. If I had any faith in their
abilities I would be working with them instead of you folks who can
only say no or play inquisitor, but are unable to explain either the
problems or offer any solutions there to.

Please don't say that in the present GOI system,
nobody can make any voice, so let us go for independence
etc.

*** I had no intention of saying that. But you cannot purge GoI
from the equation, because it holds the powers and has the
responsibilities.

c

In other words please
don't say
Ahok Barixa
You see we can always learn from our Dakor
Bosons...
RB

- Original Message -
From: Chan
Mahanta
To: Barua25 ; Ram Sarangapani
Cc: ASSAMNET
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 11:54
AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Illegal Bangladeshis, is it a
myth?

Tsk, Rajen.  Ki Muskil!

You already listed everyone else as not worried, bothered,
troubled or otherwise disturbed, having discovered it at that EUREKA
moment.

I was talking about YOUR angst, your finger-pointing at
everyone. Why is that ?

Wait! Don't tell me!  It is because you are so much
better than the rest, right?

Did I get it?

c

At 11:31 AM -0600 1/1/06, Barua25 wrote:
>But then
why all the angst, the outpourings of displeasures and the
finger-pointing?

This is not
the first time I said these.

Where did
you see any angst from any of the parties in Assam?

Even if you
see it, it is to just make money.

See how
Tarun Gogoi is busy trying to make the right cut of his grants from
GOI.

See how
ossosition Prafulla Mahanta and others are busy distributing their own
money.

They say it
needs to money to make money.

Where did
you see any angst from any of the parties?

And where
did you see any amgst from the Assamese public?

News Papers
?

That is the
ot

Re: [Assam] Illegal Bangladeshis, is it a myth?

Title: Re: [Assam] Illegal Bangladeshis, is it a
myth?

Ram, Ram, Ram!

So, your gripe is with pointing fingers at GoI. You are the
designated GoI defender. Not that it was hard to notice, but I am
perfectly willing to point to GoA too. But GoA derives its existence
and its powers from Goi's doings and in its image. If GoA could be
re-oriented, and Assam could be administered without a say so from
GoI, with its own resources, I will be perfectky willing to hold GoA's
feet to the fire and leave GoI the heck alone, leaving you without a
client :-).

But unfortunately it does not work that way Ram.

>No, when required the Center's feet too must be held to the
fire. But we have >to be fair.

*** I, know it will be futile to profess my sense of fairness to
you, so I won't. But what is it that you see in my views to be UNFAIR
to the oh-so- innocent victim here, your GoI :-)? If you give some
examples I will be pleased to explain, as best as I can.

> We have to be able to list and know what the responsibilites
are for the >State, politicians, its people, and others.

*** You go at it. I will play with you. Tell us where you see me
pointing fingers at the wrong entities, and either I will accept it or
show you how you are mistaken.

Shall we?

c-da

At 2:56 PM -0600 1/1/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
C'da,

>*** If indeed they are the competent,
intellectually endowed politicians and administrators and with
>nothing but integrity oozing out of them and nothing but the good
of Assam that drives their >actions and inactions,

No, they are not competent all the time,
specially vis-a-vis Assam. But they are NOT the ONLY ones fop the
blame. We have seen numerous instances where the GOI comes forward
with ideas and resources, and the GOA is the one that drops the ball
or is in some sort of inertia.

If blame has to be placed, we ought to be
able to assign some generous proportion to the GOA, the politicians,
intellectuals, insurgents and unscruplous business in Assam too. It
can't be the Center all the time, every time.

I say this - because the Center cannot be
Assam-centric. All states are under the same anvil vis-a-vis their
relationship with the Center. Some have fared better than others 
- and some of these better faring states are not within the
Hindi-wallah belteither.

>*** Hey I will be the first to give
them a wide berth. So show us what they are doing to be left the
>hell alone, to be given a free pass like you imply they deserve
but we don't.

No, when required the Center's feet too
must be held to the fire. But we have to be fair. We have to be able
to list and know what the responsibilites are for the State,
politicians, its people, and others.

--Ram

On 1/1/06, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Not fair, C'da.

*** OK, then let us see below.

>The GOI and India has always been found fault with on
this net. Going thru >those mails over the years, one would come
the conclusion that there are NO >intellectuals left in the GOI,
and that they are incompetent, useless and >corrupt. One may
also come to the conclusion that the GOI need look no further >-
but to Assamnet for ideas and intellect.

*** If indeed they are the competent, intellectually
endowed politicians and administrators and with nothing but integrity
oozing out of them and nothing but the good of Assam that drives their
actions and inactions, then how come you or Rajen are including them
in the list of the defaulters and charging them with doing NOTHING
about what YOU GUYS see as its problemo numero uno, huh
:-)?

What gives?

My guess would be that it is a 'bere-saale'-kwbwa'
exercise. And if I am wrong do correct me please. What?

>One may also come to the conclusion that the GOI need
look no further - but to >Assamnet for ideas and
intellect.

*** Hey I will be the first to give them a wide berth. So
show us what they are doing to be left the hell alone, to be given a
free pass like you imply they deserve but we don't.

>Be that as it may - it is essential (to be truthful to
ourselves) that we keep >discussing such issues - both pros &
cons.

*** While I am with you on that, I still am looking
forward to YOUR answers from that role-playing task of Dr. Tilok's
where I hope YOU and other nay-syers would EXPLAIN how what I proposed
may WORK, and if in your intellectually honest effort you only find
that see it WON't work, and things as they are ought to
remain.

Now that will be something you can beat us trouble-makers
up with impunity Ram.

So go at it .

c-da

At 12:16 PM -0600 1/1/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
C'da,

>You already listed everyone else as not worried,
bothered, troubled or otherwise disturbed, having >discovered it at
that EUREKA moment.

It is not really an eureka moment. This fact that
'everyone' who is anyone has no interest in solving the problems is
pretty well-known. It is only naive people like us who keep hoping
against hope for some miracle

Re: [Assam] Illegal Bangladeshis, is it a myth?

C'da,

>*** If indeed they are the competent, intellectually endowed politicians and administrators and with >nothing but integrity oozing out of them and nothing but the good of Assam that drives their >actions and inactions,

No, they are not competent all the time, specially vis-a-vis Assam. But they are NOT the ONLY ones fop the blame. We have seen numerous instances where the GOI comes forward with ideas and resources, and the GOA is the one that drops the ball or is in some sort of inertia.

If blame has to be placed, we ought to be able to assign some generous proportion to the GOA, the politicians, intellectuals, insurgents and unscruplous business in Assam too. It can't be the Center all the time, every time.

I say this - because the Center cannot be Assam-centric. All states are under the same anvil vis-a-vis their relationship with the Center. Some have fared better than others  - and some of these better faring states are not within the Hindi-wallah belteither.

>*** Hey I will be the first to give them a wide berth. So show us what they are doing to be left the >hell alone, to be given a free pass like you imply they deserve but we don't.

No, when required the Center's feet too must be held to the fire. But we have to be fair. We have to be able to list and know what the responsibilites are for the State, politicians, its people, and others. 

--Ram 
On 1/1/06, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Not fair, C'da.

*** OK, then let us see below.

>The GOI and India has always been found fault with on this net. Going thru >those mails over the years, one would come the conclusion that there are NO >intellectuals left in the GOI, and that they are incompetent, useless and >corrupt. One may also come to the conclusion that the GOI need look no further >- but to Assamnet for ideas and intellect.

*** If indeed they are the competent, intellectually endowed politicians and administrators and with nothing but integrity oozing out of them and nothing but the good of Assam that drives their actions and inactions, then how come you or Rajen are including them in the list of the defaulters and charging them with doing NOTHING about what YOU GUYS see as its problemo numero uno, huh :-)?

What gives?

My guess would be that it is a 'bere-saale'-kwbwa' exercise. And if I am wrong do correct me please. What?

>One may also come to the conclusion that the GOI need look no further - but to >Assamnet for ideas and intellect.

*** Hey I will be the first to give them a wide berth. So show us what they are doing to be left the hell alone, to be given a free pass like you imply they deserve but we don't.

>Be that as it may - it is essential (to be truthful to ourselves) that we keep >discussing such issues - both pros & cons.

*** While I am with you on that, I still am looking forward to YOUR answers from that role-playing task of Dr. Tilok's where I hope YOU and other nay-syers would EXPLAIN how what I proposed may WORK, and if in your intellectually honest effort you only find that see it WON't work, and things as they are ought to remain.

Now that will be something you can beat us trouble-makers up with impunity Ram.

So go at it .

c-da

At 12:16 PM -0600 1/1/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
C'da,

>You already listed everyone else as not worried, bothered, troubled or otherwise disturbed, having >discovered it at that EUREKA moment.

It is not really an eureka moment. This fact that 'everyone' who is anyone has no interest in solving the problems is pretty well-known. It is only naive people like us who keep hoping against hope for some miracle solution.

Rajen Barua, you or I with all our arguments back and forth have the grand affect of only spitting in the wind.

Yes, there are a few people (even in Assam) who do want a solution to the problems, but they are just as helpless.

>Wait! Don't tell me!  It is because you are so much better than the rest, right?

Not fair, C'da. The GOI and India has always been found fault with on this net. Going thru those mails over the years, one would come the conclusion that there are NO intellectuals left in the GOI, and that they are incompetent, useless and corrupt. One may also come to the conclusion that the GOI need look no further - but to Assamnet for ideas and intellect.

Heck, the normal trend on the net is that there is nothing wrong with Assam, Assamese, our politicians or our insurgents. If one wants to find fault - look toward Indraprastha (or Hastinipura), and no further.

Be that as it may - it is essential (to be truthful to ourselves) that we keep discussing such issues - both pros & cons.

--Ram

On 1/1/06, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Tsk, Rajen.  Ki Muskil!

You already listed everyone else as not worried, bothered, troubled or otherwise disturbed, having discovered it at that EUREKA moment.

I was talking about YOUR angst, your finger-pointing at everyone. Why is that

Re: [Assam] Illegal Bangladeshis, is it a myth?

Title: Re: [Assam] Illegal Bangladeshis, is it a myth?

  I think we will have  to go by one at a time:
  First do you agree in my statement
   "Where did you see any angst from any of the parties in 
  Assam?"

  Yes I have angst. 
  You have angst.
  We also see angst from Shankar 
  Borua. 
  (Please don't ask who is he and why I am 
  bringing him here. That is not the issue).
  Or Gautam Prasad Barua.
  But we donot belong to any 
  party.

  And our angst may not be the 
  same, in fact are not same.
  What I see you have angst why 
  Assam is not independence.
  I have angst why nobody is 
  talking about the issues.
  Shankar Borua has angst how we can 
  exloit people.
  You are saying let be independent 
  first.
  I am saying No, because that is 
  like: 
  Ahok Barixa, katok 
  pat
  Roija bhinihi khaija 
  bhat.

  Again back to the issue, 
  we will have to go by one at a time:
  First do you agree in my statement or not.
   "Where did you see any angst from any of the parties in 
  Assam at present?"
  I put it in bold because it is an eye opening reality I am asking you to 
  realize.
  If you donot agree,  please show me which political party is voicing 
  anything at all.
  Please don't say that in the present GOI system, nobody can make any 
  voice, so let us go for independence etc.
  In other words please don't say
  Ahok Barixa
  You see we can always learn from our Dakor Bosons...
  RB

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Chan 
  Mahanta 
  To: Barua25 ; Ram Sarangapani 
  Cc: ASSAMNET 
  Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 11:54 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [Assam] Illegal 
  Bangladeshis, is it a myth?

  Tsk, Rajen.  Ki Muskil!

  You already listed everyone else as not worried, bothered, troubled or 
  otherwise disturbed, having discovered it at that EUREKA moment.

  I was talking about YOUR angst, your finger-pointing at everyone. Why is 
  that ?

  Wait! Don't tell me!  It is because you are so much better than the 
  rest, right?

  Did I get it?

  c

  At 11:31 AM -0600 1/1/06, Barua25 wrote:
  >But then why 
all the angst, the outpourings of displeasures and the 
finger-pointing?

  This is not the first time I said these.
  Where did you see any angst from any of the parties in 
  Assam?
  Even if you see it, it is to just make money.
  See 
how Tarun Gogoi is busy trying to make the right cut of his grants from 
GOI.
  See 
how ossosition Prafulla Mahanta and others are busy distributing their own 
money.
  They say it needs to money to make money.
  Where did you see any angst from any of the 
  parties?
  And 
where did you see any amgst from the Assamese public?
  News Papers ?
  That is the other side of Isurgency Business, making money by 
'finger pointing' to keep the Assamese public glued to the 
  papers..
  Joi 
Ai OXOM.
  RB

- Original Message -
From: Chan 
  Mahanta
To: Barua25 ; 
  Ram Sarangapani
Cc: ASSAMNET
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Illegal Bangladeshis, is it a 
myth?

That sounds like yet another of Rajen's EUREKA moments :-). He 
  seems to have found all the answers.

But then why all the angst, the outpourings of displeasures 
  and the finger-pointing?

I don't know, it must be a crazy world we live in!

2006, welcome to BEEEG trouble in Assam Net!!!

At 11:13 AM -0600 1/1/06, Barua25 wrote:
  >One of the things you hear common people tell you (in Assam) 
is that there is big money in NOT getting the problems of >illegal or 
insurgency solved. It seems, it is beneficial to just keep the issues in 
the front burner - but,  NOT really find any >solutions.  
Insurgents,  politicians, power blocks,  leaders, and 
unscruplous businesses reap huge benefits at the expense >of the 
common man - the khetiok, the kerani, the school 
mastor, etc.

  You are absolutely 
correct. I probably have stated in the net before.
  Nobody is actually 
interested in finding solutions to these damn 
  problems.
  It is not in the 
interests of those in power either in Assam or in 
  India.
  It is not in the 
interest of ULFA.
  It is not in the 
interests of PCG.
  It is not in the 
interests of Assamese business community.
  Ans poor Hobo Diok 
Assamese public don't count anyway.
  What is happening 
in Assam is Insurgency is being turned into a business 
  carrer.
  Or we may say 
Professional Insurgency at its best.
  60-40 ? No I wil 
take 70-30? What do you say Doc?
  Assam and the North 
East may teach the world a lesson.
  As I said 
before:
  It is the be

Re: [Assam] Illegal Bangladeshis, is it a myth?

Title: Re: [Assam] Illegal Bangladeshis, is it a
myth?

>Not fair, C'da.

*** OK, then let us see below.

>The GOI and India has always been found fault with on this
net. Going thru >those mails over the years, one would come the
conclusion that there are NO >intellectuals left in the GOI, and
that they are incompetent, useless and >corrupt. One may also
come to the conclusion that the GOI need look no further >- but to
Assamnet for ideas and intellect.

*** If indeed they are the competent, intellectually endowed
politicians and administrators and with nothing but integrity oozing
out of them and nothing but the good of Assam that drives their
actions and inactions, then how come you or Rajen are including them
in the list of the defaulters and charging them with doing NOTHING
about what YOU GUYS see as its problemo numero uno, huh :-)?

What gives?

My guess would be that it is a 'bere-saale'-kwbwa' exercise. And
if I am wrong do correct me please. What?

>One may also come to the conclusion that the GOI need look no
further - but to >Assamnet for ideas and intellect.

*** Hey I will be the first to give them a wide berth. So show us
what they are doing to be left the hell alone, to be given a free pass
like you imply they deserve but we don't.

>Be that as it may - it is essential (to be truthful to
ourselves) that we keep >discussing such issues - both pros &
cons.

*** While I am with you on that, I still am looking forward to
YOUR answers from that role-playing task of Dr. Tilok's where I hope
YOU and other nay-syers would EXPLAIN how what I proposed may WORK,
and if in your intellectually honest effort you only find that see it
WON't work, and things as they are ought to remain.

Now that will be something you can beat us trouble-makers up with
impunity Ram.

So go at it .

c-da

At 12:16 PM -0600 1/1/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
C'da,

>You already listed everyone else as
not worried, bothered, troubled or otherwise disturbed, having
>discovered it at that EUREKA moment.

It is not really an eureka moment. This
fact that 'everyone' who is anyone has no interest in solving the
problems is pretty well-known. It is only naive people like us who
keep hoping against hope for some miracle solution.

Rajen Barua, you or I with all our
arguments back and forth have the grand affect of only spitting in the
wind.

Yes, there are a few people (even in
Assam) who do want a solution to the problems, but they are just as
helpless.

>Wait! Don't tell me!  It is
because you are so much better than the rest, right?

Not fair, C'da. The GOI and India has
always been found fault with on this net. Going thru those mails over
the years, one would come the conclusion that there are NO
intellectuals left in the GOI, and that they are incompetent, useless
and corrupt. One may also come to the conclusion that the GOI
need look no further - but to Assamnet for ideas and
intellect.
Heck, the normal trend on the net is that
there is nothing wrong with Assam, Assamese, our politicians or our
insurgents. If one wants to find fault - look toward Indraprastha (or
Hastinipura), and no further.

Be that as it may - it is essential (to
be truthful to ourselves) that we keep discussing such issues - both
pros & cons.

--Ram

On 1/1/06, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Tsk, Rajen.  Ki Muskil!

You already listed everyone else as not worried, bothered,
troubled or otherwise disturbed, having discovered it at that EUREKA
moment.

I was talking about YOUR angst, your finger-pointing at
everyone. Why is that ?

Wait! Don't tell me!  It is because you are so much
better than the rest, right?

Did I get it?

c

At 11:31 AM -0600 1/1/06, Barua25 wrote:
>But then
why all the angst, the outpourings of displeasures and the
finger-pointing?

This is not
the first time I said these.

Where did
you see any angst from any of the parties in
Assam?

Even if you
see it, it is to just make money.

See how
Tarun Gogoi is busy trying to make the right cut of his grants from
GOI.

See how
ossosition Prafulla Mahanta and others are busy distributing their own
money.

They say it
needs to money to make money.

Where did
you see any angst from any of the parties?

And where
did you see any amgst from the Assamese public?

News Papers
?

That is the
other side of Isurgency Business, making money by 'finger pointing' to
keep the Assamese public glued to the papers..

Joi Ai
OXOM.

RB

- Original Message -

From: Chan
Mahanta

To: Barua25 ;  Ram Sarangapani

Cc: ASSAMNET

Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 11:21 AM

Subject: Re: [Assam] Illegal Bangladeshis, is it a
myth?

That sounds like yet another of Rajen's EUREKA moments
:-). He seems to have found all the answers.

But then why all the angst, the outpourings of
displeasures and the finger-pointing?

I don't know, it must be a crazy world we live in!

2006, welcome to BEEEG trouble in Assam Net!!!

At 11:

Re: [Assam] Illegal Bangladeshis, is it a myth?

C'da,

>You already listed everyone else as not worried, bothered, troubled or otherwise disturbed, having >discovered it at that EUREKA moment.

It is not really an eureka moment. This fact that 'everyone' who is anyone has no interest in solving the problems is pretty well-known. It is only naive people like us who keep hoping against hope for some miracle solution.

Rajen Barua, you or I with all our arguments back and forth have the grand affect of only spitting in the wind. 

Yes, there are a few people (even in Assam) who do want a solution to the problems, but they are just as helpless.

>Wait! Don't tell me!  It is because you are so much better than the rest, right?

Not fair, C'da. The GOI and India has always been found fault with on this net. Going thru those mails over the years, one would come the conclusion that there are NO intellectuals left in the GOI, and that they are incompetent, useless and corrupt. One may also come to the conclusion that the GOI need look no further - but to Assamnet for ideas and intellect.

Heck, the normal trend on the net is that there is nothing wrong with Assam, Assamese, our politicians or our insurgents. If one wants to find fault - look toward Indraprastha (or Hastinipura), and no further.

Be that as it may - it is essential (to be truthful to ourselves) that we keep discussing such issues - both pros & cons.

--Ram

On 1/1/06, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Tsk, Rajen.  Ki Muskil!

You already listed everyone else as not worried, bothered, troubled or otherwise disturbed, having discovered it at that EUREKA moment.

I was talking about YOUR angst, your finger-pointing at everyone. Why is that ?

Wait! Don't tell me!  It is because you are so much better than the rest, right?

Did I get it?

c

At 11:31 AM -0600 1/1/06, Barua25 wrote:
>But then why all the angst, the outpourings of displeasures and the finger-pointing?

This is not the first time I said these.
Where did you see any angst from any of the parties in Assam?
Even if you see it, it is to just make money.
See how Tarun Gogoi is busy trying to make the right cut of his grants from GOI.
See how ossosition Prafulla Mahanta and others are busy distributing their own money.
They say it needs to money to make money.
Where did you see any angst from any of the parties?
And where did you see any amgst from the Assamese public?
News Papers ?
That is the other side of Isurgency Business, making money by 'finger pointing' to keep the Assamese public glued to the papers..

Joi Ai OXOM.
RB

- Original Message -
From: Chan Mahanta
To: Barua25 ; 
Ram Sarangapani
Cc: ASSAMNET
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Illegal Bangladeshis, is it a myth?

That sounds like yet another of Rajen's EUREKA moments :-). He seems to have found all the answers.

But then why all the angst, the outpourings of displeasures and the finger-pointing?

I don't know, it must be a crazy world we live in!

2006, welcome to BEEEG trouble in Assam Net!!!

At 11:13 AM -0600 1/1/06, Barua25 wrote:
>One of the things you hear common people tell you (in Assam) is that there is big money in NOT getting the problems of >illegal or insurgency solved. It seems, it is beneficial to just keep the issues in the front burner - but,  NOT really find any >solutions.  Insurgents,  politicians, power blocks,  leaders, and unscruplous businesses reap huge benefits at the expense >of the common man - the khetiok, the kerani, the school mastor, etc.

You are absolutely correct. I probably have stated in the net before.
Nobody is actually interested in finding solutions to these damn problems.
It is not in the interests of those in power either in Assam or in India.
It is not in the interest of ULFA.
It is not in the interests of PCG.
It is not in the interests of Assamese business community.
Ans poor Hobo Diok Assamese public don't count anyway.
What is happening in Assam is Insurgency is being turned into a business carrer.
Or we may say Professional Insurgency at its best.
60-40 ? No I wil take 70-30? What do you say Doc?
Assam and the North East may teach the world a lesson.
As I said before:
It is the best of times, it is the worst of times.
Happy New Year!!
RB

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Re: [Assam] From Tehelka

Title: Re: [Assam] From Tehelka


You spoke too soon Rajen. I just posted what the good daktor from
Jokaisuk prescribed for you. Take a look.

c :-)












At 10:52 AM -0600 1/1/06, Barua25 wrote:
>
>>  *** How about a REAL democracy?
> >>  > That is what *MY* dream for Assam
envisions
 
There is another alternative which your Tilok Daktor
forgot to tell you.
That is, who is Ram and Rajen and others to hold you
from your ambitious plan?
Why even try to persuade the
inquissitors?
It is like, what we say in
Assamese:
Obujonok bujuwa, bwle dherua tharik
xijuwa.
Don't listen to these damn nay Sayers. They donot see
anything good coming out of the Mahantas anyway.
What is holding you? Just ignore them. Ask them to go
to hell.
Snatch Assam from these ugly Indians and go for
REAL DEMOCRACY in Assam?
That is the only way.
Jwr puri hat palehi.
India is going down the drain
anyway.
I would say, it is the best of times for enlightened
Assam to do an show the world when India is almost like leaderless and
donot know what it is doing.
JOI AI OXOM
Notun Bosoror Xubhes.sare!
RB
 
-
Original Message -
From:
"Chan Mahanta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
"Ram Sarangapani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc:

Sent:
Sunday, January 01, 2006 10:09 AM
Subject: Re:
[Assam] From Tehelka

>
Ram,
>
> I rang up Tilok Daktor this morning--to wish him a happy NY and
the
> routine you know? While at it I asked him how to persuade people
like
> you, Rajen etc., the inquisitors, who cannot see anything good
even
> in the face of a god if it does not come wrapped in the
'tirongo'.
>
> He suggested I ask you to do a little role playing, albeit a
nasty
> role. Said, Rajen could use it too. Play the Devil's advocate,
and
> try to see what I proposed from the proponents' side and examine
if
> there is any positive outcome at all possible.
>
> But why should they, I challenged him?
>
> The good Goru Daktor said that it is for upholding one's
integrity as
> an intellectually endowed person looking out for the best of
their
> fellow men in Assam, regardless of  where the chips may
fall. For
> they like to see themselves and portray themselves not as
PARTISANS
> to a PRE-DETERMINED political persuasion, but as honest
well-wishers
> and do-gooders. That is why.
>
> That was a mouthful. To tell you the truth I had no idea he could
say
> those things. Remember, he is a Jokaisukiya? And a Goru Daktor
at
> that for goshs' sakes!
>
> But I was impressed and persuaded that he might have a point.
That it
> might be something to try. After all, what is there to lose? I
lost
> most everything anyway - trust, credibility, loyalty, Indian
> patriotism, fealty to democratic ideals and tarred and feathered
with
> Communism, Pol-potism, and freedom-robbing ! What is left? Just
the
> shirt on my back and an internet connection to bring displeasures
to
> so many good people, day-in and day out!
>
> So go at it Ram. Try it if you can. And see if you can hold up
your
> own intelligence here with integrity for all to see. Examine if
it
> will do any good.
>
> :-).
>
> c-da
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> At 2:40 PM -0600 12/31/05, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
> >C'da,
> >
> >>  *** How about a REAL democracy?
> >>  > That is what *MY* dream for Assam
envisions.
> >
> >That is very admirable, and we all want that too. The
questions that
> >arise though would be:
> >
> >(a) is it feasible
> >
> >(b) and who, in an independent Assam, will ensure that
'real
> >democracy'  will exist - given that the Indians have
taught the
> >indigenous people all the wrong stuff.
> >
> >(c) or will this be just a dream and ulimately we will settle
for an
> >India-like 'debased, dysfunctional desi-demokrasy' and life
goes on.
> >
> >--Ram
> >
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Re: [Assam] Illegal Bangladeshis, is it a myth?

Title: Re: [Assam] Illegal Bangladeshis, is it a
myth?

Tsk, Rajen.  Ki Muskil!

You already listed everyone else as not worried, bothered,
troubled or otherwise disturbed, having discovered it at that EUREKA
moment.

I was talking about YOUR angst, your finger-pointing at everyone.
Why is that ?

Wait! Don't tell me!  It is because you are so much better
than the rest, right?

Did I get it?

c

At 11:31 AM -0600 1/1/06, Barua25 wrote:
>But then
why all the angst, the outpourings of displeasures and the
finger-pointing?

This is not the first time I said
these.
Where did you see any angst from any of the parties in
Assam?
Even if you see it, it is to just make
money.
See how Tarun Gogoi is busy trying to make the right
cut of his grants from GOI.
See how ossosition Prafulla Mahanta and others are
busy distributing their own money.
They say it needs to money to make
money.
Where did you see any angst from any of the
parties?
And where did you see any amgst from the Assamese
public?
News Papers ?
That is the other side of Isurgency Business, making
money by 'finger pointing' to keep the Assamese public glued to the
papers..
Joi Ai OXOM.
RB

- Original Message -
From: Chan
Mahanta
To: Barua25 ; Ram Sarangapani
Cc: ASSAMNET
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 11:21
AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Illegal Bangladeshis, is it a
myth?

That sounds like yet another of Rajen's EUREKA moments
:-). He seems to have found all the answers.

But then why all the angst, the outpourings of
displeasures and the finger-pointing?

I don't know, it must be a crazy world we live
in!

2006, welcome to BEEEG trouble in Assam
Net!!!

At 11:13 AM -0600 1/1/06, Barua25 wrote:
>One of the things you hear common people tell you
(in Assam) is that there is big money in NOT getting the problems of
>illegal or insurgency solved. It seems, it is beneficial to just
keep the issues in the front burner - but,  NOT really find any
>solutions.  Insurgents,  politicians, power blocks, 
leaders, and unscruplous businesses reap huge benefits at the expense
>of the common man - the khetiok, the kerani, the school
mastor, etc.

You are
absolutely correct. I probably have stated in the net
before.

Nobody is
actually interested in finding solutions to these damn
problems.

It is not
in the interests of those in power either in Assam or in
India.

It is not
in the interest of ULFA.

It is not
in the interests of PCG.

It is not
in the interests of Assamese business community.

Ans poor
Hobo Diok Assamese public don't count anyway.

What is
happening in Assam is Insurgency is being turned into a business
carrer.

Or we may
say Professional Insurgency at its best.

60-40 ? No
I wil take 70-30? What do you say Doc?

Assam and
the North East may teach the world a lesson.

As I said
before:

It is the
best of times, it is the worst of times.

Happy New
Year!!

RB

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Re: [Assam] assam Digest, Vol 5, Issue 47


<>>
Don't! 
Clever people FIND OUT the TRUTH . Best that way. mm




From:  Ram Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To:  Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>CC:  sumita sarma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, assam@assamnet.orgSubject:  Re: [Assam] assam Digest, Vol 5, Issue 47Date:  Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:45:37 -0600>C'da,>>This problem of "perception" amongst people from other states has been>an age-old thing. We have all encountered it some form or the other.>>While we all get upset about such ideas about Assam/Assamese from>other people,  it is not difficult to trace 'causes' for these.>>The flip side is, do Assamese also have similar perceptions about>other states? What does the common Assamese think about a place like>say Bihar, or Jammu & 
Kasmir.  For example, I think Jammu & Kasmir is>a dangerous place, violence being commonplace and where Hindus are>kidnapped and shot at random.>As for Bihar, I think its a cesspool of violence, corruption,>kidnapping, no law/order etc.>My perceptions may well upset a Bihari or Kashmiri, and I may be>absolutely incorrect in my thinking. But the question comes up, as to>why I have these perceptions in the first place?>As far as I can tell, the reasons are simply the daily news accounts>of violence or scandals in such places.>> > *** One reason could be seen right here in assamnet -- that certain assamese> > denigrate their own as the CAUSE of their problems, that they are> > incompetent, corrupt, lazy and what have you, and thus deserve to be> > 
exploited.>>While this does happen, I seriously doubt a Marathi or UP-wallah is>honing into Assamnet to form ideas. Further, no Assamese worth his/her>salt will go on a self-critical/denigrating spree to sully ourselves>in front of others.>>Also, what is the common perception of people in Assam of Nagas or>Khasias or others from neighboring states? Most times, they are NOT>that good. How do you account for such pre-conceived notions?>Heck we even have pre-conceived notions of Upper/Lower Assamese, about>bamuns, or xudhirs or even Mahantas :). How do we account for that?>> > We are just as competent, as good, as industrious as anybody else in the> > world. Just look at all those who left>>True, and that is the way most people think of their own people. But>do we 
think the same of the Khasis or the Nagas, or Biharis?>> > Unfortunately Indian governmental system, further degraded by the complicity> > of the ruling class in Assam, has created the environment of low> > expectations, of state policy-manufactured winners and losers in life's many> > lotteries>>Ah! yes, the 'system'! Then why is that in the USA itself, one finds>instances of people thinking that Americans need a passport to go to>New Mexico? Or that Texas is still the Wild West?>>I just don't think its the system. It is just that most people are>self-absorbed and have little interest in finding out about the>cultures or way of life of others. What interest will a Mumbai taxi>driver, business man or a bureaucrat have of Assam or Bengal ->specially if their 'business' 
interests never needs that information?>Whatever 'education' they get about other people is thru newspapers/TV.>>Unfortunately, most of the news that comes out of Assam is bandhs,>insurgency, violence. Until that feed to the media changes, these>perceptions cannot be changed.>In the mean time, all we can do is educate one person at a time about Assam.>>--Ram>>>On 12/30/05, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > >  Sometimes I feel angry with the way people refer to Assam - they say we> > are >not very competent that's why trying to agitate and raise voices> > against the >hindi speaking people !> >> >> > *** One reason could be seen right here in assamnet -- that certain assamese> 
> denigrate their own as the CAUSE of their problems, that they are> > incompetent, corrupt, lazy and what have you, and thus deserve to be> > exploited. They spread the myth that people of Assam are that way due to a> > genetic disposition or cultural ethos. Of course the accusers themselves are> > ABOVE that. They must have escaped the genetic curse  by some divine> > selection process.> >> > Points to the Indian system of education and its failure to promote critical> > thinking further stymied by a pre-conceived notion of a problem or solutions> > there-for.> >> > We are just as competent, as good, as industrious as anybody else in the> > world. Just look at all those who left. It is not the air or the water of> > their adopted lands or that 
they are somehow waded out of a better gene-pool> > that assured their successes.> >> > Unfortunately Indian governmental system, further degraded by the complicity> > of the ruling class in Assam, has created the environment of low> > expectations, of state policy-manufactured winners and losers in life's many> > lotteri

Re: [Assam] Illegal Bangladeshis, is it a myth?

Title: Re: [Assam] Illegal Bangladeshis, is it a myth?

>But then why all the angst, the outpourings of displeasures and the 
finger-pointing?

This is not the first time I said 
these.
Where did you see any angst from any of 
the parties in Assam?
Even if you see it, it is to just make 
money.
See how Tarun Gogoi is busy trying to make 
the right cut of his grants from GOI.
See how ossosition Prafulla Mahanta and 
others are busy distributing their own money. 
They say it needs to money to make 
money.

Where did you see any angst from any of 
the parties?
And where did you see any amgst from the 
Assamese public?
News Papers ?
That is the other side of Isurgency 
Business, making money by 'finger pointing' to keep the Assamese public glued to 
the papers..
Joi Ai OXOM.
RB

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Chan 
  Mahanta 
  To: Barua25 ; Ram Sarangapani 
  Cc: ASSAMNET 
  Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 11:21 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [Assam] Illegal 
  Bangladeshis, is it a myth?

  That sounds like yet another of Rajen's EUREKA moments :-). He seems to 
  have found all the answers.

  But then why all the angst, the outpourings of displeasures and the 
  finger-pointing?

  I don't know, it must be a crazy world we live in!

  2006, welcome to BEEEG trouble in Assam Net!!!

  At 11:13 AM -0600 1/1/06, Barua25 wrote:
  >One of the things you hear common people tell you (in Assam) is 
that there is big money in NOT getting the problems of >illegal or 
insurgency solved. It seems, it is beneficial to just keep the issues in the 
front burner - but,  NOT really find any >solutions.  
Insurgents,  politicians, power blocks,  leaders, and unscruplous 
businesses reap huge benefits at the expense >of the common man - the 
khetiok, the kerani, the school mastor, etc.

  You 
are absolutely correct. I probably have stated in the net 
  before.
  Nobody is actually interested in finding solutions to these 
damn problems.
  It 
is not in the interests of those in power either in Assam or in 
  India.
  It 
is not in the interest of ULFA.
  It 
is not in the interests of PCG.
  It 
is not in the interests of Assamese business community.
  Ans 
poor Hobo Diok Assamese public don't count anyway.
  What is happening in Assam is Insurgency is being turned into a 
business carrer.
  Or 
we may say Professional Insurgency at its best.
  60-40 ? No I wil take 70-30? What do you say Doc?
  Assam and the North East may teach the world a 
  lesson.
  As 
I said before:
  It 
is the best of times, it is the worst of times.
  Happy New Year!!
  RB
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C'da,
 
>I rang up Tilok Daktor this morning--to wish him a happy NY and the>routine you know?
 
How is the good Daktor? My best wishes to him too in these trying times.
 
>He suggested I ask you to do a little role playing, albeit a nasty>role. Said, Rajen could use it too. Play the Devil's advocate
 
I was afraid of this - these are sure signs of senility setting in. The Daktor is perhaps unaware that we have been playing this unsavory role for many years now (an that too at his suggestion) and it has has little or no effect on the intellectuals of Assamnet. I would guess, it is our fault - we are really 'no good' advocates.

One way for a good advocate may be is to acquiesce to the interminable barrage of 'pie-in-sky'  theories to Assam's problems.
 
>The good Goru Daktor said that it is for upholding one's integrity as>an intellectually endowed person looking out for the best of their>fellow men in Assam, regardless of  where the chips may fall. For
>they like to see themselves and portray themselves not as PARTISANS>to a PRE-DETERMINED political persuasion, but as honest well-wishers>and do-gooders. That is why. 
At last, an area I can readily agree with. All is not lost.  Of course, the Daktor is referring to those brave souls who want to take Assam on a runaway train headed toward total destruction. Independence at any cost - even self-destruction.

 
>So go at it Ram. Try it if you can. And see if you can hold up your>own intelligence here with integrity for all to see. Examine if it>will do any good
 
I am embarrassed. Intellectual acquity is not one of my strong suites. I try hard, but its still elusive. You have too much faith in me. As for integrity, I would submit its all in the eyes of some beholders. Some may try to equate integrity with acquiescence (when convenient). :):)

 
--Ram
 
 
 
 
On 1/1/06, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Ram,I rang up Tilok Daktor this morning--to wish him a happy NY and theroutine you know? While at it I asked him how to persuade people like
you, Rajen etc., the inquisitors, who cannot see anything good evenin the face of a god if it does not come wrapped in the 'tirongo'.He suggested I ask you to do a little role playing, albeit a nastyrole. Said, Rajen could use it too. Play the Devil's advocate, and
try to see what I proposed from the proponents' side and examine ifthere is any positive outcome at all possible.But why should they, I challenged him?The good Goru Daktor said that it is for upholding one's integrity as
an intellectually endowed person looking out for the best of theirfellow men in Assam, regardless of  where the chips may fall. Forthey like to see themselves and portray themselves not as PARTISANSto a PRE-DETERMINED political persuasion, but as honest well-wishers
and do-gooders. That is why.That was a mouthful. To tell you the truth I had no idea he could saythose things. Remember, he is a Jokaisukiya? And a Goru Daktor atthat for goshs' sakes!But I was impressed and persuaded that he might have a point. That it
might be something to try. After all, what is there to lose? I lostmost everything anyway - trust, credibility, loyalty, Indianpatriotism, fealty to democratic ideals and tarred and feathered withCommunism, Pol-potism, and freedom-robbing ! What is left? Just the
shirt on my back and an internet connection to bring displeasures toso many good people, day-in and day out!So go at it Ram. Try it if you can. And see if you can hold up yourown intelligence here with integrity for all to see. Examine if it
will do any good.:-).c-daAt 2:40 PM -0600 12/31/05, Ram Sarangapani wrote:>C'da,>>>  *** How about a REAL democracy?>>  > That is what *MY* dream for Assam envisions.
>>That is very admirable, and we all want that too. The questions that>arise though would be:>>(a) is it feasible>>(b) and who, in an independent Assam, will ensure that 'real
>democracy'  will exist - given that the Indians have taught the>indigenous people all the wrong stuff.>>(c) or will this be just a dream and ulimately we will settle for an>India-like 'debased, dysfunctional desi-demokrasy' and life goes on.
>>--Ram>
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Title: Re: [Assam] Illegal Bangladeshis, is it a
myth?

That sounds like yet another of Rajen's EUREKA moments :-). He
seems to have found all the answers.

But then why all the angst, the outpourings of displeasures and
the finger-pointing?

I don't know, it must be a crazy world we live in!

2006, welcome to BEEEG trouble in Assam Net!!!

At 11:13 AM -0600 1/1/06, Barua25 wrote:
>One of the things you hear common people tell you
(in Assam) is that there is big money in NOT getting the problems of
>illegal or insurgency solved. It seems, it is beneficial to just
keep the issues in the front burner - but,  NOT really find any
>solutions.  Insurgents,  politicians, power blocks, 
leaders, and unscruplous businesses reap huge benefits at the expense
>of the common man - the khetiok, the kerani, the school
mastor, etc.

You are absolutely correct. I probably have stated in
the net before.
Nobody is actually interested in
finding solutions to these damn problems.
It is not in the interests of those in power either in
Assam or in India.
It is not in the interest of ULFA.
It is not in the interests of PCG.
It is not in the interests of Assamese business
community.
Ans poor Hobo Diok Assamese public don't count
anyway.
What is happening in Assam is Insurgency is being
turned into a business carrer.
Or we may say Professional Insurgency at its
best.
60-40 ? No I wil take 70-30? What do you say
Doc?
Assam and the North East may teach the world a
lesson.
As I said before:
It is the best of times, it is the worst of
times.
Happy New Year!!
RB

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>One of the things you hear
common people tell you (in Assam) is that there is big money in NOT getting the
problems of >illegal or insurgency solved. It seems, it is beneficial to just
keep the issues in the front burner - but, NOT really find any >solutions. Insurgents,
politicians, power blocks, leaders, and unscruplous businesses reap
huge benefits at the expense >of the common man - the khetiok, the kerani,
the school mastor, etc.
You are absolutely correct. I
probably have stated in the net before.
Nobody is actually interested in
finding solutions to these damn problems.
It is not in the interests of those
in power either in Assam or in India.
It is not in the interest of
ULFA.
It is not in the interests of
PCG.
It is not in the interests of
Assamese business community.
Ans poor Hobo Diok Assamese public
don't count anyway.
What is happening in Assam is
Insurgency is being turned into a business carrer.
Or we may say Professional
Insurgency at its best.
60-40 ? No I wil take 70-30? What
do you say Doc?
Assam and the North East may teach
the world a lesson.
As I said before:
It is the best of times, it is the
worst of times.
Happy New Year!!
RB

- Original Message -
From:
Ram Sarangapani

To: Barua25
Cc: ASSAMNET
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 10:45
AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Illegal
Bangladeshis, is it a myth?

Barua,
I don't see anybody from
Assam writing in National Newsparers about the illegel immigration problem.

While the people in other states
have little or no idea of the problem, politicians & insurgents in
Assam probably have no earthly desire to find a solution to the problem
either.
One of the things you hear common
people tell you (in Assam) is that there is big money in NOT getting the
problems of illegals or insurgency solved. It seems, it is beneficial to just
keep the issues in the front burner - but, NOT really find any solutions. Insurgents,
politicians, power blocks, leaders, and unscruplous businesses
reap huge benefits at the expense of the common man - the khetiok, the kerani,
the school mastor, etc.
So, why on earth will the
intellectuals/writers ever write or make people of other states even
aware of the problems? It is the same as the problem of 'others' not
aware of the culture/language of Assam. We don't let them know, but feel bad
that they are not aware of our existence.
--Ram
On 12/31/05, Barua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>In all his analyes, Mr. Sanghvi has not mentioned Assam or the
other Northeast states even once. The illegal immigration >problem is a
major issue in these states. He mentions Mumbai, West Bengal and even Delhi,
but is totally unaware of where >the actual problem lies. It is in Assam,
Mr. Sanghvi. So, please make it a point to visit the state, and see for
yourself, and do >brush up on your research.
Is Assam in India?
Sorry for asking the question,
because I don't see anybody from Assam writing in National Newsparers about
the illegel immigration problem. I remember vaguely the peopel of Assam had
an agitation demanding all non Assamese out of Assam, but I did not know
that illegel immigration from Bangladesh is also a problem there. I know it
is a problem in Delhi, Mumbai and other cities.
Hey assam, please let us know
what is your problem.
RB

- Original Message -
From: Ram Sarangapani
To: ASSAMNET
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005
7:54 PM
Subject: [Assam] Illegal
Bangladeshis, is it a myth?
Here is an article from the Hindustan Times on the Bangladeshi
migration.The article made me so upset, I dashed off my comments in a
hurry. My comments are below (don't know if they will publish
it though).
I would urges others to also write to the HT if possible.
_Making
a 'Menace' of MigrantsCounterpoint | Vir Sanghvi (Jan 1,
2006)Do you know how many illegal Bangladeshi immigrants
there are in India? Are there 30 million of them? What about 20 million?
Or is the figure as low as 10 million? I ask because the truth is
that nobody knows how many illegal Bangladeshi migrants have made India
their home. Every figure you read will be an approximation or — and this
is more likely — a simple guess. The 30-million figure, for instance, is
usually quoted by people who want to claim that the problem of migration
has now veered dangerously out of control. Because 30 million sounds more
alarming than 10 million, it is this figure that will get quoted. But
nobody knows that there are, in fact, 10 million illegal immigrants (the
30 million figure is just plain ri

[Assam] For Rajen

Title: For Rajen

Rajen:

Allow me to share with you the prescription I got from the Goru
daktor from Jokaisuk for your ailment. Luckily it is not as bitter a
pill as it could be:

    ** He
says that YOU try too hard. That you go banging against

concrete walls seeking answers from people you believe have
none.
    And
then you, a grown man, wail. It is kind of sad to witness he
says.
    Like an
infant pulling his own hair and crying.

    Tilok
says you ought to try and provide the RIGHT answers to us

clueless ones. Of course that means you will have to ask the
right

questions or pose the right problems too.

    I asked
if you could bypass that or if we can otherwise make that
    easier
for  you. Because I know that could pose some serious
challenges.
    But he
says, unfortunately, it goes with the territory. He cited what
    he
claimed was Daakor Boson ( but I ain't buying that): That if you
    want to
be in the kitchen you need to be able to withstand the heat.

And of course I challenged him on WHY you would play? What is
your incentive as he or we can see, for you to take the challenge or
the burden, instead of going about asking negative questions
only or just saying no. After all, I reminded him, that he
is just another lazy-a** kharkhowa like the rest of us, wont to try
and get something doing nothing, even though he would deny that till
kingdom come!

Like in Ram's case, he gave me that same mouthful of
explanations. And added that in your case, you also have this
underlying need to present yourself to ,the world as the only, or one
of a few, who REALLY care about Assam's well-being, that you are not
about to share the limelight with many.

I wasn't sure he is accurate in these highly subjective issues.
But what do *I* know?

So you go guy! Do It. Show YOUR stuff. We will be all ears
starting this New Year. State the correct problems or ask the right
questions  and offer some solutions and answers.

Time to put up, or you know what?

c :-).

At 11:18 PM -0600 12/31/05, Barua25 wrote:
>A
country that has 
>320
million people going to bed without food and 10,000 dying of
hunger-related pangs every day, as experts point out.
>Ninety-nine percent of adivasi families in Jharkhand and
Rajasthan
are facing chronic hunger this year.
>At least
250 farmers committed suicide in Yavatmal in
Vidarbha, Maharashtra this year alone.
>In the
past five years the region has seen 850 suicides by farmers.
Ninety-three percent of the
suicides reported were due to overriding debts.
> Since 1997, 25,000 farmers have committed suicides
across India - 4,500 in Andhra
Pradesh alone, while thousands of children have died in
Melghat/Nandurbar in Maharashtra due to malnutrition and absence
of
administrative support.

The above gloomy picture for rest of India, actually
draws a rosy picture for Assam.
Hey Assam, what is your problem?
RB

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Re: [Assam] Illegal Bangladeshis, is it a myth?




I would say, grab Assam from India 
and run!!!
What is the hold up.
Take a New Years 
resolution.
JOI AI OXOM.
RB
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  mc 
  mahant 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Cc: assam@assamnet.org 
  Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 5:39 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [Assam] Illegal 
  Bangladeshis, is it a myth?
  
  
  <<
  RB>>>
   
  
  INDIA    IS THE PROBLEM --- only one at that.
  mm
  

From: "Barua25" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: 
"Ram Sarangapani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,"ASSAMNET" 
Subject: 
Re: [Assam] Illegal Bangladeshis, is it a myth?Date: Sat, 31 
Dec 2005 22:58:15 -0600



>In all his analyes, Mr. Sanghvi has not mentioned Assam or the 
other Northeast states even once. The illegal immigration >problem is a 
major issue in these states. He mentions Mumbai, West Bengal and even Delhi, 
but is totally unaware of where >the actual problem lies. It is in Assam, 
Mr. Sanghvi. So, please make it a point to visit the state, and see for 
yourself, and do >brush up on your research. 
 
Is Assam in India?
Sorry for asking the question, 
because I don't see anybody from Assam writing in National Newsparers about 
the illegel immigration problem. I remember vaguely the peopel of Assam had 
an agitation demanding all non Assamese out of Assam, but I did not know 
that illegel immigration from Bangladesh is also a problem there. I know it 
is a problem in Delhi, Mumbai and other cities.
Hey assam, please let us know 
what is your problem.
RB
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Ram 
  Sarangapani 
  To: ASSAMNET 
  Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 
  7:54 PM
  Subject: [Assam] Illegal 
  Bangladeshis, is it a myth?
  
  Here is an article from the Hindustan Times on the Bangladeshi 
  migration.The article made me so upset, I dashed off my comments in a 
  hurry. My comments are below (don't know if they will publish 
  it  though).
   
  I would urges others to also write to the HT if possible.
  _Making 
  a 'Menace' of MigrantsCounterpoint | Vir Sanghvi (Jan 1, 
  2006)Do you know how many illegal Bangladeshi immigrants 
  there are in India? Are there 30 million of them? What about 20 million? 
  Or is the figure as low as 10 million? I ask because the truth is 
  that nobody knows how many illegal Bangladeshi migrants have made India 
  their home. Every figure you read will be an approximation or  and this 
  is more likely  a simple guess. The 30-million figure, for instance, is 
  usually quoted by people who want to claim that the problem of migration 
  has now veered dangerously out of control. Because 30 million sounds more 
  alarming than 10 million, it is this figure that will get quoted. But 
  nobody knows that there are, in fact, 10 million illegal immigrants (the 
  30 million figure is just plain ridiculous) because no statistics exist. 
  At an intuitive level, however, we do recognise that there are 
  many illegal migrants in India. The border between India and Bangladesh is 
  porous and there is little that anyone can do to check migration. 
  Moreover, many people in the border villages do not recognise that an 
  international boundary exists. It is not uncommon for a man to cycle from 
  a Bangladeshi village to a town in India to buy something  and for him to 
  then cycle back home on the same day. So, there are many 
  Bangladeshis in the border districts of West Bengal. Because there are few 
  cultural differences, they fit in easily with the local people. Many of 
  these Bangladeshis do then make their way to such cities as Calcutta or 
  Delhi. This by itself should not be a cause for much concern. We 
  were all part of the same country till 1947 and it is inevitable that 
  people will keep moving between the nations of South Asia, no matter how 
  the international boundaries are drawn. But, we are repeatedly 
  told, the "problem of Bangladeshi migrants" is different. First of all, 
  there are supposed to be too many of them. Secondly, there is a danger 
  that some of them will have terrorist links. And finally, there is no way 
  that India can sustain such a huge burden on its resources. There are 
  simply not enough jobs to go around. If you think about it, none 
  of this makes much sense. The figures, as we have seen, are just 
  concoctions. The terrorism stuff is nonsense. There is very little 
  evidence that Bangladeshis foment terrorism in India and no evidence at 
  all that the rag-pickers, sweepers and domestic servants who constitute 
  the bulk of the illegal migrant population have a terrorist agenda. 
  That leaves us with the not

Re: [Assam] From Tehelka




> >>  *** How about a REAL 
democracy?> >>  > That is what *MY* dream for Assam 
envisions
 
There is another alternative which 
your Tilok Daktor forgot to tell you.
That is, who is Ram and Rajen and 
others to hold you from your ambitious plan?
Why even try to persuade the 
inquissitors?
It is like, what we say in 
Assamese:
Obujonok bujuwa, bwle dherua 
tharik xijuwa.
Don't listen to these damn nay 
Sayers. They donot see anything good coming out of the Mahantas 
anyway.
What is holding you? Just ignore 
them. Ask them to go to hell.
Snatch Assam from these ugly Indians and go for REAL DEMOCRACY in 
Assam?
That is the only way.
Jwr puri hat palehi.
India is going down the 
drain anyway. 
I would say, it is the best of 
times for enlightened Assam to do an show the world when India is almost like 
leaderless and donot know what it is doing.
JOI AI OXOM
Notun Bosoror 
Xubhes.sare!
RB
 
- Original Message - 
From: "Chan Mahanta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Ram Sarangapani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 10:09 
AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] From 
Tehelka
> Ram,> > I rang up Tilok Daktor this morning--to wish 
him a happy NY and the > routine you know? While at it I asked him how to 
persuade people like > you, Rajen etc., the inquisitors, who cannot see 
anything good even > in the face of a god if it does not come wrapped in 
the 'tirongo'.> > He suggested I ask you to do a little role 
playing, albeit a nasty > role. Said, Rajen could use it too. Play the 
Devil's advocate, and > try to see what I proposed from the proponents' 
side and examine if > there is any positive outcome at all 
possible.> > But why should they, I challenged him?> 
> The good Goru Daktor said that it is for upholding one's integrity as 
> an intellectually endowed person looking out for the best of their 
> fellow men in Assam, regardless of  where the chips may fall. For 
> they like to see themselves and portray themselves not as PARTISANS 
> to a PRE-DETERMINED political persuasion, but as honest well-wishers 
> and do-gooders. That is why.> > That was a mouthful. To 
tell you the truth I had no idea he could say > those things. Remember, 
he is a Jokaisukiya? And a Goru Daktor at > that for goshs' 
sakes!> > But I was impressed and persuaded that he might have a 
point. That it> might be something to try. After all, what is there to 
lose? I lost > most everything anyway - trust, credibility, loyalty, 
Indian > patriotism, fealty to democratic ideals and tarred and feathered 
with > Communism, Pol-potism, and freedom-robbing ! What is left? Just 
the > shirt on my back and an internet connection to bring displeasures 
to > so many good people, day-in and day out!> > So go at 
it Ram. Try it if you can. And see if you can hold up your > own 
intelligence here with integrity for all to see. Examine if it > will do 
any good.> > :-).> > c-da> > > 
> > > > > > At 2:40 PM -0600 12/31/05, 
Ram Sarangapani wrote:> >C'da,> >> >>  *** 
How about a REAL democracy?> >>  > That is what *MY* dream 
for Assam envisions.> >> >That is very admirable, and we all 
want that too. The questions that> >arise though would be:> 
>> >(a) is it feasible> >> >(b) and who, in an 
independent Assam, will ensure that 'real> >democracy'  will 
exist - given that the Indians have taught the> >indigenous people all 
the wrong stuff.> >> >(c) or will this be just a dream and 
ulimately we will settle for an> >India-like 'debased, dysfunctional 
desi-demokrasy' and life goes on.> >> >--Ram> 
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Barua,
 
 I don't see anybody from Assam writing in National Newsparers about the illegel immigration problem. 
 
While the people in other states have little or no idea of the problem, politicians & insurgents  in Assam probably have no earthly desire to find a solution to the problem either. 

 
One of the things you hear common people tell you (in Assam) is that there is big money in NOT getting the problems of illegals or insurgency solved. It seems, it is beneficial to just keep the issues in the front burner - but,  NOT 
really find any solutions.  Insurgents,  politicians, power blocks,  leaders, and unscruplous businesses reap huge benefits at the expense of the common man - the khetiok, the kerani, the school mastor, etc.

 
So, why on earth will the intellectuals/writers  ever write or make people of other states even aware of the problems? It is the same as the problem of  'others' not aware of the culture/language of Assam. We don't let them know, but feel bad that they are not aware of our existence.

 
--Ram
 
 
On 12/31/05, Barua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>In all his analyes, Mr. Sanghvi has not mentioned Assam or the other Northeast states even once. The illegal immigration >problem is a major issue in these states. He mentions Mumbai, West Bengal and even Delhi, but is totally unaware of where >the actual problem lies. It is in Assam, Mr. Sanghvi. So, please make it a point to visit the state, and see for yourself, and do >brush up on your research. 

 
Is Assam in India?
Sorry for asking the question, because I don't see anybody from Assam writing in National Newsparers about the illegel immigration problem. I remember vaguely the peopel of Assam had an agitation demanding all non Assamese out of Assam, but I did not know that illegel immigration from Bangladesh is also a problem there. I know it is a problem in Delhi, Mumbai and other cities.

Hey assam, please let us know what is your problem.
RB
 


- Original Message - 
From: Ram Sarangapani 

To: ASSAMNET 
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 7:54 PM
Subject: [Assam] Illegal Bangladeshis, is it a myth?
 
Here is an article from the Hindustan Times on the Bangladeshi migration.The article made me so upset, I dashed off my comments in a hurry. My comments are below (don't know if they will publish it  though).

 
I would urges others to also write to the HT if possible.
_Making a 'Menace' of MigrantsCounterpoint | Vir Sanghvi (Jan 1, 2006)Do you know how many illegal Bangladeshi immigrants there are in India? Are there 30 million of them? What about 20 million? Or is the figure as low as 10 million? 
I ask because the truth is that nobody knows how many illegal Bangladeshi migrants have made India their home. Every figure you read will be an approximation or — and this is more likely — a simple guess. The 30-million figure, for instance, is usually quoted by people who want to claim that the problem of migration has now veered dangerously out of control. Because 30 million sounds more alarming than 10 million, it is this figure that will get quoted. But nobody knows that there are, in fact, 10 million illegal immigrants (the 30 million figure is just plain ridiculous) because no statistics exist. 
At an intuitive level, however, we do recognise that there are many illegal migrants in India. The border between India and Bangladesh is porous and there is little that anyone can do to check migration. Moreover, many people in the border villages do not recognise that an international boundary exists. It is not uncommon for a man to cycle from a Bangladeshi village to a town in India to buy something — and for him to then cycle back home on the same day. 
So, there are many Bangladeshis in the border districts of West Bengal. Because there are few cultural differences, they fit in easily with the local people. Many of these Bangladeshis do then make their way to such cities as Calcutta or Delhi. 
This by itself should not be a cause for much concern. We were all part of the same country till 1947 and it is inevitable that people will keep moving between the nations of South Asia, no matter how the international boundaries are drawn. 
But, we are repeatedly told, the "problem of Bangladeshi migrants" is different. First of all, there are supposed to be too many of them. Secondly, there is a danger that some of them will have terrorist links. And finally, there is no way that India can sustain such a huge burden on its resources. There are simply not enough jobs to go around. 
If you think about it, none of this makes much sense. The figures, as we have seen, are just concoctions. The terrorism stuff is nonsense. There is very little evidence that Bangladeshis foment terrorism in India and no evidence at all that the rag-pickers, sweepers and domestic servants who constitute the bulk of the illegal migrant population have a terrorist agenda. 
That leaves us with the not-enough-j

Re: [Assam] HT: Illegal Bangladeshis, is it a myth?

Umesh:

>The writer has indeed got some valid points and arguments -which we take for granted:

I really had a very poor opinion of the writer. It looks like he just woke up to the whole problem.

>Why are Nepalis allowed in India and not Bangladeshis --is it becos Nepalis are Hindus like Hindu >majority India and Bangladeshis are not? So religious dicrimination???

Just like Bengalis, Nepalis too have been a part and parcel of India. Most have settled down in Darjeeling. The problem is NOT because they are Hindus or Muslims. That is what unscruplous would like to define the illegal immigration problem. 

The fact is, if they are illegal, whether they are B'deshi or Nepali is besides the point or what religion they belong to. They ought to be deported.

>Indo-Bangla border is as porous as Indo-Nepal border -and perhaps border policeon both sides >much more corrupt

Of course,  there will be corrupt border officials, police and smuggling, but that should NOT deter a nation and its responsible citizens to make every effort to maintain the sanctity of its borders.

>Third: about identifying who is a Bangladeshi - he says that methods are very crude. Any >suggestions?

That is probably a big hurdle, but again we don't give up because its difficult to identify.

Ram da

On 1/1/06, umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

The writer has indeed got some valid points and arguments -which we take for granted: 
For one: Why are Nepalis allowed in India and not Bangladeshis --is it becos Nepalis are Hindus like Hindu majority India and Bangladeshis are not? So religious dicrimination???
My point: Bangladeshis opted to form another nation -out of Indian terroritory - incl taking away Sylhet region of Assam. Nepalis did not leave India as neither did Bhutan - they were already separate and have shown no animosity to India. Still an arguable point!!

Second point: Writer says that many Bangladeshis come by cycle to India buy stuf and go back same day - all illegally . How?? 

My point: Indo-Bangla border is as porous as Indo-Nepal border -and perhaps border policeon both sides much more corrupt. But how did he come to know -the writer -about this goings on. About Indo-Nepal border smuggling I know since some of my cousins there were in the business till few decades back.

Third: about identifying who is a Bangladeshi - he says that methods are very crude. Any suggestions?

UmeshBarua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>In all his analyes, Mr. Sanghvi has not mentioned Assam or the other Northeast states even once. The illegal immigration >problem is a major issue in these states. He mentions Mumbai, West Bengal and even Delhi, but is totally unaware of where >the actual problem lies. It is in Assam, Mr. Sanghvi. So, please make it a point to visit the state, and see for yourself, and do >brush up on your research. 

Is Assam in India?
Sorry for asking the question, because I don't see anybody from Assam writing in National Newsparers about the illegel immigration problem. I remember vaguely the peopel of Assam had an agitation demanding all non Assamese out of Assam, but I did not know that illegel immigration from Bangladesh is also a problem there. I know it is a problem in Delhi, Mumbai and other cities.

Hey assam, please let us know what is your problem.
RB

- Original Message - 
From: Ram Sarangapani 

To: ASSAMNET 
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 7:54 PM
Subject: [Assam] Illegal Bangladeshis, is it a myth?

Here is an article from the Hindustan Times on the Bangladeshi migration.The article made me so upset, I dashed off my comments in a hurry. My comments are below (don't know if they will publish it  though).

I would urges others to also write to the HT if possible.
_Making a 'Menace' of MigrantsCounterpoint | Vir Sanghvi (Jan 1, 2006)Do you know how many illegal Bangladeshi immigrants there are in India? Are there 30 million of them? What about 20 million? Or is the figure as low as 10 million? 
I ask because the truth is that nobody knows how many illegal Bangladeshi migrants have made India their home. Every figure you read will be an approximation or — and this is more likely — a simple guess. The 30-million figure, for instance, is usually quoted by people who want to claim that the problem of migration has now veered dangerously out of control. Because 30 million sounds more alarming than 10 million, it is this figure that will get quoted. But nobody knows that there are, in fact, 10 million illegal immigrants (the 30 million figure is just plain ridiculous) because no statistics exist. 
At an intuitive level, however, we do recognise that there are many illegal migrants in India. The border between India and Bangladesh is porous and there is little that anyone can do to check migration. Moreover, many people in the border villages do not recognise that an international boundary exists. It is not uncommon for a man t

Re: [Assam] From Tehelka

Ram,

I rang up Tilok Daktor this morning--to wish him a happy NY and the 
routine you know? While at it I asked him how to persuade people like 
you, Rajen etc., the inquisitors, who cannot see anything good even 
in the face of a god if it does not come wrapped in the 'tirongo'.

He suggested I ask you to do a little role playing, albeit a nasty 
role. Said, Rajen could use it too. Play the Devil's advocate, and 
try to see what I proposed from the proponents' side and examine if 
there is any positive outcome at all possible.

But why should they, I challenged him?

The good Goru Daktor said that it is for upholding one's integrity as 
an intellectually endowed person looking out for the best of their 
fellow men in Assam, regardless of  where the chips may fall. For 
they like to see themselves and portray themselves not as PARTISANS 
to a PRE-DETERMINED political persuasion, but as honest well-wishers 
and do-gooders. That is why.

That was a mouthful. To tell you the truth I had no idea he could say 
those things. Remember, he is a Jokaisukiya? And a Goru Daktor at 
that for goshs' sakes!

But I was impressed and persuaded that he might have a point. That it
might be something to try. After all, what is there to lose? I lost 
most everything anyway - trust, credibility, loyalty, Indian 
patriotism, fealty to democratic ideals and tarred and feathered with 
Communism, Pol-potism, and freedom-robbing ! What is left? Just the 
shirt on my back and an internet connection to bring displeasures to 
so many good people, day-in and day out!

So go at it Ram. Try it if you can. And see if you can hold up your 
own intelligence here with integrity for all to see. Examine if it 
will do any good.

:-).

c-da

At 2:40 PM -0600 12/31/05, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
>C'da,
>
>>  *** How about a REAL democracy?
>>  > That is what *MY* dream for Assam envisions.
>
>That is very admirable, and we all want that too. The questions that
>arise though would be:
>
>(a) is it feasible
>
>(b) and who, in an independent Assam, will ensure that 'real
>democracy'  will exist - given that the Indians have taught the
>indigenous people all the wrong stuff.
>
>(c) or will this be just a dream and ulimately we will settle for an
>India-like 'debased, dysfunctional desi-demokrasy' and life goes on.
>
>--Ram
>

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Re: [Assam] A bridge to Umananda?

Aw' Ram! You missed it again. It was no bridge. Troubled waters? You 
betcha! But a bridge it ain't, much less over troubled waters :-).

c-da




At 2:44 PM -0600 12/31/05, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
>C'da,
>
>Do you think nature has delibrately built a bridge over troubled waters? :)
>And it doesn't seem to be an eyesore either.
>Hopefully, those foreign vendors and locals don't desicrate the ambience :))
>
>--Ram
>
>On 12/31/05, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>  Ram:
>>
>>  Did you see the boat in the foreground? It is in
>>  the water. There is a channel there. One has to
>>  boat across that. Then walk the sand bar. And
>>  thereafter cross another channel to Umananda.
>>
>>  If it is dangerous it is that much better. Gives
>>  those who make it across a sense of thrill, a
>>  feel of  adventure. They need it.
>>
>  > c-da

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[Assam] Fwd: Re: situation unclear

Title: Fwd: Re: situation unclear

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Hi Mr. P,

Thanks for the response.

>the suggestion that "Assam
nationalism" is not same as "Indian
nationalism".

*** Your question demonstrates very
clearly that I need argue the matter no farther, and rest my case. You
are either completely uninformed of the realities or are programmed to
ignore them in their entirety. Neither bodes well.

>(but they may not take it up, as they
are busy discussing water management,

>a subject not quite in their
domain)

*** Do I get the idea that they better
stay out of water management--an issue reserved for the experts like
yourselves?

I might have supported you on that, if
you experts had a credible track record to show for. I would submit
ultimately it is EVERYBODY's business. Even the non-experts' whose
lives will be impacted for ages to come. The experts are there to show
and persuade the non-experts, with  scientific/technical
analyses, backed up by credible data and hopefully a trustworthy and
able track-record , with personal and institutional accountability --
that what they propose is indeed good, desirable, that the pros
outweigh the cons. That their judgements and abilities could be
trusted and depended upon.

Oh, I know it is much easier to think
they are the designated messiahs if not act like they own the place
and what they spout must be equivalent to Gods' own words. I adore the
times when my clients treat me like that - trust my words completely,
ask me no hard questions and do as I bid. Not frequently enough though
you know? Another one of life's many disappointments.

I wished I had weapons like you all wield
-- the ability tell the people, your clients off; that  the
supporting data is none of their business, or are matters of 'national
security' for the use only of the guardians of the 'national
interests', or for the 'experts' only.

>They suffer with rest of us the
consequences of what they advocate.

*** And thus are more legitimate
than say myself--passing judgements from afar, sitting comfortably in
my well heated office, sending out e-mail messages via uninterrupted
high-speed internet connection, something you so astutely point out. I
know, I know Mr. P, that I am not messing with someone who just fell
off the turnip cart! Give me a little credit, will you?

>When opposition to hydro-electric
projects increases the hours of

>daily power cuts, they too
suffer.

*** The fallacy in your argument, Mr. P,
resides in implying here that the only solution for alleviating the
symptoms you describe are mega-dams for hydro-power generation in
fragile environments -- and ignoring entirely the fact that there are
other consequences to them than getting more power and living happily
thereafter as a super-power with prosperity for all.

Half truths like this is what makes
people mistrust the assertions and question the judgements of
supporters and promoters of these undertakings Mr. P.

>But you position yourself cozily,
safe distance away from all the hardships;
in a society that is one of the largest consumers of energy and
natural
resources; and is largely responsible for the climate change. While
you want
us to put up with a stone-age lifestyle in the name of preserving
our
environment, YOUR President says Kyoto protocol is not commensurate
with
YOUR style of living, and therefore YOU
will not reduce your GHG emissions,

>and the rest of the world can go
to hell.

*** I have got to concede, -- you got me
here by my you-know-whats!
I plead guilty to all the charges
excepting perhaps the very last wish that you attribute to me and my
ilk. I might have 'fessed up to that too, but that is a tad bit too
hard to swallow you know? Perhaps you will show a little mercy and
give me a little reprieve here, and reduce it to a charge of 
say--don't care about 'them rest of the world' ? That will make it a
little more palatable to plead guilty to. Deal?

So, Mr Mahanta, you have no moral right
to lecture to us. If you feel so
much for India, then get out of your "ivory tower", come
back to India, live
here, undergo the hardships with us, accept the responsibility for
the
consequences of your views, AND ONLY THEN, when you become a part of
us
(rather than US :-) , only then you will have the moral right to
intervene

>in how we manage our water or
environment or whatever.

[Assam] Happy and peaceful 2006

2006-01-01 Thread Manoj Das

Hi!

This is the best New Year wishes I could source to cut and paste for
you all...to be honest.

May your salary, your housing subsidy, the contents of your house and
all your shares increase in value, and may your blood pressure,
weight, house loan, tax and cholesterol all decrease.

May all your friends remember you and may the taxman forget you exist.

May hijackers, thieves and tootsies overlook you and may your loved
ones always see you.

May you have an honest government and a dishonest beauty therapist.
May you have an intelligent President and a fool for a driving license
checker.

And jokes apart let's pray to god that he is kind enough on the
mankind and we don't see anymore natural calamities in years to come.

And everything of the best for 2006!

WISHING YOU AND YOUR FAMILY A VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR.
MAY THIS YEAR BRING U JOY AND HAPPINESS WITH BRUSHING OF SUCCESS WHOLE YEAR.

MKD

(copying again from c'da, mm, rb etc..:)

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[Assam] Plan for NE- Mercifully.

FICCI adviser writes in F-Exp 
<<<-Do we have any data about what the plans are for the NE states?--Ram>>>The plan should be "Give up" and say "Good Riddance"
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[Assam] Fwd: Seasons Greetings and Happy New Year...

2006-01-01 Thread umesh sharma

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Re: [Assam] Illegal Bangladeshis, is it a myth?