Re: [Assam] From ToI/IGI Airport

[SANDIP DUTTA]

This I will agree with. IGI airport is just crap.

Regards,
Sandip



- Original Message 
From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:42:36 PM
Subject: [Assam] From ToI/IGI Airport


>Delhi's IGI Airport has become a nightmare  ?


Has???


It has always been so. Just getting worse. I was there a month ago. The parking 
lot is a nightmare.  We could not push our luggage loaded carts to the car in 
the parking lot, because of the unbelievable pot-holes, all the way.  Had to 
lift the cart up, with the help of  all the young men waiting around for the 
opportunity to help out. Not that I grudge them. But IGI being the front door 
to the capital of a super-power wanna-be, the state of affairs IN and AROUND 
the airport  and its amenities ( if one could call it that) boggled the mind. 
Someone explained a new parking lot is being built. I will believe it when I 
see it. All the renovation work going on in the passenger areas tell a tale of 
appalling infrastructure behind the ripped out finishes. No wonder the ceilings 
keep falling.


And that tunnel out of the international arrivals  area! It has no parallel.


What seems to be India's problem anyway?


But on a the brighter side, I was pleasantly surprised by a CLEANER Delhi, at 
least at the upscale neighborhoods like Defense Colony . The sidewalks were 
swept, no plastic bags and paper on the plants flanking them.  The plants 
looked maintained. The taxi driver explained it is the upcoming Asian Games ( 
or is it the Commonwealth Games). It was a different story however, on the way 
to IIT Delhi.


 
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IGI official escapes roof collapse
15 Nov 2007, 0508 hrs IST,TNN
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NEW DELHI: Delhi's IGI Airport has become a nightmare not only for passengers 
but also for those who are working there.

On Wednesday morning, a lady officer had a miraculous escape when the roof of 
her newly renovated room collapsed on her. Aman Saini, assistant general 
manager of terminal-II, was working on her computer about 10.30 am when the 
false ceiling came crashing down, along with the airconditioning ducts. A 
senior official of the airport had to pull her out from under the debris.

Even as preparations are on to make travelling more convenient during the foggy 
months, frequent complaints by people on the degraded condition of the airport 
at present has forced the ministry of civil aviation to sit up and take notice.

Sources said that based on the complaints on dysfunctional toilets and other 
issues sent to the ministry, it was planning to conduct a surprise check at the 
airport in the near future.

While Delhi International Airport (P) Limited (DIAL) officials tried to 
downplay the incident and said that "only a single panel had fallen and the 
official wasn't hurt", sources revealed that officials were appalled at the 
condition of the airport.

"The airport manager's room is newly constructed and if this is what happens to 
renovated rooms, one can imagine how it is elsewhere," said an official.

"We are lucky that the Amin escaped with scratches but to have the entire roof 
collapse on one's head can be a major shock and could have turned very ugly," 
he added.

The old airport manager's room was recently demolished and the new one set up 
outside terminal-II. Strangely, with renovation on, there is no access to the 
room from inside and can only be reached from the city side.

The room where the roof collapsed was a little way behind the main structure 
which is not frequented by people often.

According to sources, the condition of the airport, specially during 
renovation, has made travelling a complete hassle. Recently, a passenger at the 
international departure terminal had a part of the false ceiling collapse on 
her head. She too, luckily escaped with minor injuries. Cases of people 
tripping over loose tiles and slippery floors is also becoming common.

Sources also revealed that only one ladies' toilet was functional at the 
international departure terminal, and that too on the lower level.

"The maintenance of toilets at the international airport is with AAI and there 
are some issues between the GMR Group and AAI employees that is aggravating the 
problem," said sources. News on the airside is no better. Recently, civil 
aviation director general Kanu Gohain took a tour of the operations area at the 
airport to see the conditions after the recent spate of accidents. He is learnt 
to have reprimanded eight drivers who were found to be driving "worse than 
Blueline drivers".


  

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Re: [Assam] Mr. Thapa, aren’t you offering Nepa l to India on a platter? Nepali dissidents making a beeline t o Assam and Manikuamr Subba dispensing ‘citizenship car ds’ waiting at the border is a pos

[SANDIP DUTTA]

What a hilarious analysis of India "conquering" Nepal and so on and so forth. 
If India had to do this, it could have done long ago. What makes Thapa think 
that the time is now?

Nepal's politicians are like this: When India faciliates something, they try 
taking all the credit, and when something gets messed up, they put all the 
blame on India with the usual "big brother" blather and all that. Probably they 
need to keep public opinion inflamed to keep their jobs going :-)

Regards,
Sandip

 



- Original Message 
From: Bartta Bistar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: AssamNet 
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 12:42:34 PM
Subject: [Assam] Mr. Thapa, aren’t you offering Nepal to India on a platter? 
Nepali dissidents making a beeline to Assam and Manikuamr Subba dispensing 
‘citizenship cards’ waiting at the border is a possible scenario for the 
Assamese to watch helplessly!


Indian intent Nepali naiveté 
http://www.nepalnews.com/archive/2007/others/guestcolumn/nov/guest_columns_10.php
 
It is time to cast off the Nepali dread and naiveté along with India's imposing 
and imperialistic image.
By Chiran Jung Thapa
Two incidents rocked Nepal around the same time and both of them relate to 
India. First, Nepalis rejoiced and celebrated Prashant Tamang's Indian Idol III 
victory; Prashant later rocked several Nepali cities with an outstanding 
musical performance. Second, on a notable contrast, General Ashok Mehta - a 
retired Indian Army General rocked the political landscape by voicing the 
possibility of the Indian Army entering Nepal to help it against the 
destabilizing forces. Many fretted that Nepal would soon be annexed like 
Sikkim. But, both the street euphoria and hawkish nervousness are overdone and 
reflects naiveté at best 
Both the street euphoria over Prashant's victory and the jitters stoked by Gen. 
Mehta's comment reflect an uneasy Nepali outlook on India. Notwithstanding his 
Indian citizenship, Prashant's Nepali descent was adequate for Nepalis to 
reckon his victory as that of Nepal's over India. Meanwhile, given some 
circumstantial resemblances, an obscure comment coming from a retired Indian 
Army General was sufficient to foment seismic tremors in Nepal's political 
landscape.
Nepali outlook on India
While the euphoria and the trepidation succinctly capture that uneasy Nepali 
outlook on India, this uneasiness has never been translated into the official 
outlook. Hence, two divergent outlooks persist. One is the official outlook 
projected by the State and the other is the real public outlook. 
The official outlook pronounced by the State portrays India as a (elder) 
brotherly neighbour with whom Nepal shares history, cultural affinity and 
religion. Although, the official outlook attempts to display the amicability 
and affinity, it is hardly a genuine one. This outlook is borne out of 
compulsion and prudence rather than willingness. 
As a landlocked nation, it automatically compels Nepal to heavily rely on the 
goodwill of its neighbours. Since India is the chief conduit in Nepal's supply 
chain, it is even more imperative for Nepal to sustain a friendly relationship 
to ensure the flow of its supplies. Further, India's military might and 
economic strength commands Nepali acknowledgement and respect.
The second outlook - the general public perception, however, disregards all 
this. The public outlook views India with suspicion and antipathy. Despite 
relishing on Bollywood movies and Banarasi saris, the general Nepali outlook on 
India has rarely been positive. The fact that the worst insult one could smear 
the Nepali identity with is being called an Indian succinctly reflects the 
visceral distaste for India. As anti-Indian sentiments simmer beneath the 
official outlook of unrelenting friendship, the furore and violence that spread 
across Nepal in 2000, after a renowned Indian actor - Hritik Roshan allegedly 
made incriminating statements against Nepali people, further demonstrates how 
minor incidents could trigger mass anti-Indian hysteria.
There are varying reasons for such anti-Indian sentiments. Many Nepalis view 
India as an imposing imperialist who has for the longest time coveted Nepali 
territory. While, given the strong influence India has held over the ruling 
elites, others are convinced that Nepal has been transformed into a puppet 
state. Many also feel that India has practiced a dominating and destabilizing 
policy when it comes to the internal affairs of its weaker neighbouring states. 
Moreover, there are many Nepalis who believe that India is looking for an 
opportune moment to repeat the Sikkim-like conquest with Nepal. 
Unfeasible Annexation
Certainly, the increasing Indian influence and the supine conduct of the Nepali 
leaders in the ruling alliance could be reckoned as clientalism and erosion of 
Nepali sovereignty. But, the possibility of Nepal being annexed like Sikkim is 
highly improbable because there are too many deterrents against such action.
The

Re: [Assam] [asom] Ambani's gift and an ODI in Guwahati

[SANDIP DUTTA]

Wow ManojDa,

The info reeled out was awesome! 

Happy Diwali.

Regards,
Sandip


- Original Message 
From: Manoj Das <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from 
around the world 
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 9:32:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] [asom] Ambani's gift and an ODI in Guwahati

Hi Umesh!

India is a great country and we should all be proud of its heritage
and status as the 'guru' to the world, as the land of wisdom.
Everything is definitely not hunky dory. Probably progress would have
been faster and better with a single party rule, as the PM other day
commented in a seminar on federalism. But things are definitely
changing at a very fast pace and I am sure the 'India rising' story is
true. Our BPL, illiteracy rates are receding fast. Democratic India
with a population of 1.2 Bn will be a force to reckon and I am sure
one day you'll all be proud of your Indian connection.

-mkd

On Nov 7, 2007 11:22 AM, umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I surrender to your judgements. In a land where monuments like Taj Mahal
> were created (today a high school textbook in US of a student of mine had
> the Taj as the full page cover photo)  after 22 years  of labor then perhaps
> anythings is justified.
>
> Umesh
>
>
> Manoj Das <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  Ditto Rajni!
>
> I have great regards for Umesh's wisdom and judgement, but the
> headline of his last email on Ambani's gift was something out of
> place. Mukesh's billions belong to him legally, he is free to dump it
> in the Arabian Sea, we needn't bother about that.
>
> Ambanis and Mittals are different genre of entrepreneurship. Mittal
> initially bought sick steel plants cheap from governments and turned
> those around with Indian management skills. He leveraged his Brand
> Equity(BE) to play in the market, and bought many more plants and
> ultimately Arcelor to became the largest producer of steel in the
> world. I feel he has all his eggs in one basket and current boom in
> the steel business is due to the break neck consumption of steel in
> China due to the Olympics and construction boom in BRIC countries. He
> nonetheless epitomizes the Indian entrepreneurship abroad.
>
> Ambanis' greatness lies in creating world scale production facilities
> in India. They like any other successful people found to trick to
> tackle the system, against which we should not have any grudge; we
> might just have plain green envy. They have invested in greenfield
> projects on mega scale and leveraged the BE to raise funds from
> millions of small/other investors to create wealth. They must have
> siphoned off large chunks as any businessman do- but it's possibly
> legal otherwise they would have been behind bars.
>
> I am proud that we have great entrepreneurs like Ambani, who will
> propel India into a great industrial power and someday buy
> Exxon-Mobil, GM, AT&T, PEPSI or Coca-Cola and gift their wives some
> islands in the Pacific Atoll on birthdays as exclusive resorts.
>
> A quick 'jhalak' at what Ambani Sr. is doing to create a personal
> wealth of $100 Bn by 2012.
>
> 1. Refinery: Existing one with capacity of 30 MMT per year. Another
> 100% Export Oriented refinery of 27 MMT under construction at Jamnagar
> costing $6 Bn. together with the existing one, it will be the world's
> largest refinery in 2008.
>
> 2. Oil & Gas: Reliance is ambitiously exploring fossil fuels in India
> and Overseas. Size: 425000 Km. It has drilled 51 exploratory wells
> with a success rate of 61%. Location: Krishna Godavari Basin (Deep sea
> exploration at 4.8 Km). depth of pipeline 3 Km. Building pipeline grid
> (6500 km) across the country to market the gas with current reserve of
> 11.3 Trillion Cu Ft. Currently training 9000 welders, fitters at
> Jamnagar Craft Training School. Stopgap labour import from China-
> 6000. Investment: $9 Bn
>
> 3. Retail: It is shooting for a slice of the growing retail market
> (Rs. 16 cr now). In less than a year it already has 300 outlets in
> 30 cities and 12 states. Through retail it plans to create 5 lakh
> jobs, and give farmers better planting material, more value for
> products and assured market. The roll out includes from fresh
> vegetables to garments. Plan to cover 2500 towns, 120 million sg ft.
> Investment: $9 Bn
>
> 4. Special Econimic Zones (SEZs): Setting up 4 SEZs in Jhajhar,
> Jamnagar, Raigad and Navi Mumbai spread across 300 sq km. Investment:
> $ 6.5 Bn. These will be Indian's shopfloors to counter China's
> competitiveness.
>
> Now RIL makes Rs. 14 crore ($3.5 Mn) per hour. This year it will have
> a turnover of Rs. 128000 crores ($32 Bn) and net profit of Rs. 15000
> crores ($3.75 Bn).
>
> By 2009 RIL will generate cash reserves of Rs. 6 ($ 12 Bn) a year
> and by 2012, challenge for Mukesh will be to invest Rs. 30 ($75
> Bn) profitably.
>
> If he spends portion of his money for personal gratification, we must
> excuse. After all it's giving emplo

Re: [Assam] Travel Agent

[SANDIP DUTTA]

Hello Krishnendu,

I always do it thru FLIGHTRAJA if the objective is to travel by air. Its very 
good. 

http://www1.flightraja.com/bdo

Regards,
Sandip




- Original Message 
From: Manoj Das <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 

Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 10:10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Travel Agent

threre is another

www.travelguru.com


On 10/26/07, Alpana B. Sarangapani < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 
Try http://us.makemytrip.com/ (1.800.INDIA.10), Krishnendu. It is a Delhi based 
company, I think.
 
They issued instant tickets (upto Guwahati) once for me. E-ticket was not 
available in India (at least for domestic flights)then, so for the connecting 
filights, they had some one hand deliver the ticket to me at Delhi airport. You 
shouldn't have that problem now. 
 
 
 
 
 


 

"We can never obtain peace in the world if we neglect the inner world and don't 
make peace with ourselves. World peace must develop out of inner peace." 
- Dalai Lama
 
"In order to make spiritual progress you must be patient like a tree and humble 
like a blade of grass" 
- Lakshmana
 
 
 




> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:55:14 -0700
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: assam@assamnet.org
> Subject: [Assam] Travel Agent

> 
> Can someone suggest a good travel agent (for US-India
> travel)? 
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Re: [Assam] Corruption in Indian politics

[SANDIP DUTTA]

Completely aggree. However with raise in salaries and perquisities, we should 
also formulate minimum educational requirements & backgrounds to hold a 
political office.


Regards,
Sandip



- Original Message 
From: Jyotirmoy Sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 5:52:47 PM
Subject: [Assam] Corruption in Indian politics

One of the main reason of corruption in Indian politics is probably  
low wages.
I am not sure, what the President, Vice President or PM of the  
country earn but I think it will be between 40,000 - 100,00 rupees/ 
month. According to a 2000 report I read, the Vice President of India  
gets about 40,000/mnth. For such a post, is the salary inline with  
the position held? A grad/ pre-grad working in a call centre in India  
will earn 15k+/month. What would be the official salary of other Govt  
officers would be anyone's guess.

I have been told the President of Singapore gets Sing$3 milion/yr ...  
probably highest in the world . The Premier of Western Australia gets  
in upwards of  $200,000/yr. When people are paid so high, obviously  
the tendency to earn more from corrupt practices also lessens.

Probably increasing the salaries of Govt officers and making it at  
par with some of the developing countries would be a step in the  
right direction to root out corruption. After all they(the  
politicians) have probably one of most difficult jobs in the World-  
to rule a country as diverse as India. If the bosses are honest, the  
tendency is for subordinates to follow in the same steps.
What say, Netters?

JS

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Re: [Assam] My Allergies

[SANDIP DUTTA]

Hi Alpana Ba,

Mayawati is the chief minister of Uttar Pradesh. Supposedly comes from a lower 
caste and all her life targeted upper castes. But in the last election she 
decided to become all inclusive and fielded record number of brahmin 
candidates. She won with absolute majority.

Regards,
Sandip



- Original Message 
From: Alpana B. Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 

Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 3:06:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] My Allergies

>in assam the new generation is mixing with vigor like never before. my own 
>family has people from various tribes, religions, castes> >>.(high/low); and 
>such things don't matter any more.
 
You are right, Manoj. The parents and the grandparents still gripe about it, 
but most young people don't care about it anymore. 
 
BTW, I didn't understand the 'mayawati' reference.




“In order to make spiritual progress you must be patient like a tree and humble 
like a blade of grass”
- Lakshmana
 
 





Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 22:21:09 +0530
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: assam@assamnet.org
Subject: Re: [Assam] My Allergies

societal changes are dynamic. dominants are also becoming smart, as felt by 
c'da, pointer to the case is 'mayawati'. instead of being pawns now they are 
using their own weightage to bargain their pound of flesh. education opened the 
window of opportunities, as they did for the indians during british period. 

in assam the new generation is mixing with vigor like never before. my own 
family has people from various tribes, religions, castes (high/low); and such 
things don't matter any more.

-mkd



On 10/19/07, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
At 3:01 PM +0100 10/19/07, uttam borthakur wrote:
If it gives them solace,



*** Solace is heavy. On a much lighter scale, it is PROGRESSIVE, period!


And thus ought not to be a target of taunts of those who are unable to rid 
themselves of their own baggage, should it?







it is surely good for them.

Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

At 6:42 AM -0700 10/19/07, SANDIP DUTTA wrote:

"It seems the people born with caste hindu tags are making a bee-line to 
de-class themselves:-) "




*** Is it good or bad? Should they too submit themselves to their fathers' sins?











 

How rightly said :-)). So declassing has become a self-inflicted "allergy" now.

 

Regards,

Sandip

- Original Message 
From: uttam borthakur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 

Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:17:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] My Allergies

Dear Manoj

 

You are correct. But in Assam and so in India, you will note that the ruling 
polity has changed from what it was before the British came and when they left. 
So, the caste -hindus as a 'class' ( some over -simplification is involved 
though) have been enjoying the fruits of that change since then, as the society 
has remained agarian and under-developed. But over time, the divested ones 
began to assert themselves and the results are noticeable in 'Mandal' and such 
schisms. (It is an oversimplification again). Also the winds of change that is 
blowing in the economy may qualitatively change this picture in the coming 
days. If you look at Assam,its frequent divisions into smaller units, 
transition from Bordolye to Sinha to Saikia and then to Mahanta again, various 
ethnicities asserting themselves etc. indicate the shape of the things. But 
again, some people want to equate castes with economic classes, which may be an 
over-simplification.

It seems the people born with caste hindu tags are making a bee-line to 
de-class themselves:-) Sense of guilt my dear, sense of guilt. You'll find it 
in the deepest niches of your heart, however hard you try to deny it. 

Manoj Das <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

we cannot really generalise. birth is a pure accident..:)

mkd

On 10/18/07, SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:

C'da,

 

OK got it. But whats wrong in being a Hindu? Why is it sordid and something not 
so nice to be - if thats how you look at it?

 

Regards,

Sandip

 




- Original Message 
From: Chan Mahanta < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 

Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 10:19:25 PM
Subject: [Assam] My Allergies

You may or may not be aware of the fact that I was born a caste Hindu. One 
slightly higher in the food chain than some and lower than the demigods. So I 
know ALL I ever needed to know about caste Hindus and their sordid  but 
not-so-secret ways.



And Bengalis had nothing to do with it, even though I have many fine and close 
Bengali friends who have told me of their Hindu baggage, which I have no doubt, 
is much heavier and more soiled than the

Re: [Assam] My Allergies

[SANDIP DUTTA]

"It seems the people born with caste hindu tags are making a bee-line to 
de-class themselves:-) "

How rightly said :-)). So declassing has become a self-inflicted "allergy" now.

Regards,
Sandip


- Original Message 
From: uttam borthakur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 

Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:17:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] My Allergies


Dear Manoj
 
You are correct. But in Assam and so in India, you will note that the ruling 
polity has changed from what it was before the British came and when they left. 
So, the caste -hindus as a 'class' ( some over -simplification is involved 
though) have been enjoying the fruits of that change since then, as the society 
has remained agarian and under-developed. But over time, the divested ones 
began to assert themselves and the results are noticeable in 'Mandal' and such 
schisms. (It is an oversimplification again). Also the winds of change that is 
blowing in the economy may qualitatively change this picture in the coming 
days. If you look at Assam,its frequent divisions into smaller units, 
transition from Bordolye to Sinha to Saikia and then to Mahanta again, various 
ethnicities asserting themselves etc. indicate the shape of the things. But 
again, some people want to equate castes with economic classes, which may be an 
over-simplification. 
It seems the people born with caste hindu tags are making a bee-line to 
de-class themselves:-) Sense of guilt my dear, sense of guilt. You'll find it 
in the deepest niches of your heart, however hard you try to deny it. 

Manoj Das <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
we cannot really generalise. birth is a pure accident..:) 

mkd




On 10/18/07, SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: 
C'da, 
 
OK got it. But whats wrong in being a Hindu? Why is it sordid and something not 
so nice to be - if thats how you look at it?
 
Regards,
Sandip
 



- Original Message 
From: Chan Mahanta < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 

Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 10:19:25 PM
Subject: [Assam] My Allergies


You may or may not be aware of the fact that I was born a caste Hindu. One 
slightly higher in the food chain than some and lower than the demigods. So I 
know ALL I ever needed to know about caste Hindus and their sordid  but 
not-so-secret ways. 


And Bengalis had nothing to do with it, even though I have many fine and close 
Bengali friends who have told me of their Hindu baggage, which I have no doubt, 
is much heavier and more soiled than the kharkhowa caste-Hindus', and does not 
make it lighter or cleaner even if it was brought  out in the open in vivid 
colors by the Naxals and assorted 'leftists'., however vile they might seem to 
the children of the superior gods.
























C'da,
 
Just one question out of curiosity. You mentioned in one of your emails that 
you were living in West Bengal before you left India. Did you pick up your 
allergies towards caste hindu/hindutwa and all the associated ideas over there. 
I understand that Naxalism was just beginning to take root there at that time. 
Seems you are caught in that time wrap and your present ideas have its 
foundation from what you saw or experienced? 
 
Regards,
Sandip



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Re: [Assam] My Allergies

[SANDIP DUTTA]

Very well said Manoj da. But if someone is born into a particular grouping and 
he hates himself for it, what can it lead to.

Regards,
Sandip


- Original Message 
From: Manoj Das <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 

Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:37:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] My Allergies

we cannot really generalise. birth is a pure accident..:) 

mkd




On 10/18/07, SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
C'da, 
 
OK got it. But whats wrong in being a Hindu? Why is it sordid and something not 
so nice to be - if thats how you look at it?
 
Regards,
Sandip
 



- Original Message 
From: Chan Mahanta < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 

Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 10:19:25 PM
Subject: [Assam] My Allergies


You may or may not be aware of the fact that I was born a caste Hindu. One 
slightly higher in the food chain than some and lower than the demigods. So I 
know ALL I ever needed to know about caste Hindus and their sordid  but 
not-so-secret ways. 


And Bengalis had nothing to do with it, even though I have many fine and close 
Bengali friends who have told me of their Hindu baggage, which I have no doubt, 
is much heavier and more soiled than the kharkhowa caste-Hindus', and does not 
make it lighter or cleaner even if it was brought  out in the open in vivid 
colors by the Naxals and assorted 'leftists'., however vile they might seem to 
the children of the superior gods.
























C'da,
 
Just one question out of curiosity. You mentioned in one of your emails that 
you were living in West Bengal before you left India. Did you pick up your 
allergies towards caste hindu/hindutwa and all the associated ideas over there. 
I understand that Naxalism was just beginning to take root there at that time. 
Seems you are caught in that time wrap and your present ideas have its 
foundation from what you saw or experienced? 
 
Regards,
Sandip



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Re: [Assam] My Allergies

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C'da, 

OK got it. But whats wrong in being a Hindu? Why is it sordid and something not 
so nice to be - if thats how you look at it?

Regards,
Sandip




- Original Message 
From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 

Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 10:19:25 PM
Subject: [Assam] My Allergies


You may or may not be aware of the fact that I was born a caste Hindu. One 
slightly higher in the food chain than some and lower than the demigods. So I 
know ALL I ever needed to know about caste Hindus and their sordid  but 
not-so-secret ways.


And Bengalis had nothing to do with it, even though I have many fine and close 
Bengali friends who have told me of their Hindu baggage, which I have no doubt, 
is much heavier and more soiled than the kharkhowa caste-Hindus', and does not 
make it lighter or cleaner even if it was brought  out in the open in vivid 
colors by the Naxals and assorted 'leftists'., however vile they might seem to 
the children of the superior gods.
























C'da,
 
Just one question out of curiosity. You mentioned in one of your emails that 
you were living in West Bengal before you left India. Did you pick up your 
allergies towards caste hindu/hindutwa and all the associated ideas over there. 
I understand that Naxalism was just beginning to take root there at that time. 
Seems you are caught in that time wrap and your present ideas have its 
foundation from what you saw or experienced?
 
Regards,
Sandip

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[Assam] Interesting item about Jharkhand and Bihar

[SANDIP DUTTA]

Interesting item about Jharkhand and Bihar:

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1071016/asp/frontpage/story_8439822.asp


   

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Re: [Assam] Unused MLALAD funds to go to State exchequer(The Sentinel, 15.10.2007)

[SANDIP DUTTA]

"do not have any idea where money is coming from and where it goes".

Correct. Maybe MLAs and ministers need to go thru the same training regime as 
IAS/ACS.  Most of these peoples reps are not anything beyond matriculates and 
hence do not have the moral right to be ordering IAS officers around.

At a start - shall we say they dont know how or where the money goes becoz they 
dont understand abcd of finance or accounting?

P.s. In most cases we are talking about several crores of rupees here.

Rgds,
SD


- Original Message 
From: Dilip/Dil Deka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 

Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 7:17:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Unused MLALAD funds to go to State exchequer(The Sentinel, 
15.10.2007)


The ignorant fools in Dispur do not have any idea where money is coming from 
and where it goes. Is there anyone in Dispur who is keeping track of all the 
money earmarked for Assam and where it is supposed to be spent? I heard Tarun 
Gogoi say in Boston that a lot of the funds from Delhi are just promise, not 
real money. Whose responsibility is it to convert them to real money? I'd think 
the assam ministers and their IAS cadre have the responsibility.
 
Wake up Dispur. Get on the ball. Blaming Delhi will take you only a short 
distance. The whole trip is more than that.
 
Dilip Deka
===

Buljit Buragohain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Unused MLALAD funds to go to State exchequer
Not a single paisa of MLALAD funds was used during the fiscal 2006-07 in 
Dholai, Baitholangshu, Majuli, Dergaon, Jorhat, Bijni, Sidli and Dhemaji LACs 
By our Staff Reporter
GUWAHATI, Oct 14: Massive “underutilization” and “unutilization” of cash 
released by the Planning and Development Department of the Asom Government as 
MLA Local Area Development (MLALAD) funds over the years has prompted the State 
Government to think to make the non-lapsable MLALAD funds lapsable i.e. 
introducing the system of the taking the unused money of the MLALAD funds back 
to the State exchequer. Besides exposing the lack of commitment on the part of 
the elected representatives of the State towards the development of their 
respective Legislative Assembly Constituencies (LACs), “underutilization” and 
“unutilization” of the released cash failed the very purpose of the MLALAD 
funds which had been introduced in the State by then Chief Minister Hiteswar 
Saikia in 1994.
According sources, the Additional Chief Secretary in-charge of P & D Department 
has prepared a note stating that the unused MLALAD funds will go back to the 
State exchequer. However, the Additional Chief secretary’s note is yet to be 
approved by the Chief Minister. The system prevalent at present is that the 
unused MLALAD funds are released for developmental schemes of the 
constituencies in the following financial year.
According to sources, from fiscal 2002-03 to 2006-07, the State Government 
released Rs 17,640 lakh as MLALAD funds, but Rs 3343.42 lakh of this amount 
remained unused. In the fiscal 2006-07 alone, the State Government released Rs 
3,780 lakh as MLALAD funds for its 126 Legislative Assembly Constituencies 
(LACs), but Rs 1283.42 lakh of the amount remained unused. The worst is that 
not a single paisa of MLALAD funds was used during the fiscal 2006-07 in 
Dholai, Baitholangshu, Majuli, Dergaon, Jorhat, Bijni, Sidli and Dhemaji LACs. 
Meanwhile, the P & D Department recently informed the district administration 
that Rs 3,150 lakh was released for the 126 LACs of the State at the rate of Rs 
25 lakh per LAC as the first instalment of the MLALAD fund for the fiscal 
2007-08. The department, however, made it clear to the deputy commissioners 
that all pending schemes up to 2006-07 have to be implemented as per the 
standing guidelines, and the entire amount released by December 31, 2007 has to 
be used. “If any funds of the previous years remain unused, that may be 
surrendered and deposited in the State exchequer,” the P & D Department said, 
and added: “The deputy commissioners should furnish the reports of completion 
of works along with unutilization certificates in respect of MLALAD funds to it 
in due course.”
 
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Re: [Assam] Asom gets Rs 13 lakh against Rs 551.28 cr for Chhattisgarh NCDC funds (The Sentinel, 14.

[SANDIP DUTTA]

Hello,

Thanks for the compliment and its great knowing you too.

Rgds,
Sandip


- Original Message 
From: Alpana B. Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 

Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 12:35:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Asom gets Rs 13 lakh against Rs 551.28 cr for Chhattisgarh 
NCDC funds (The Sentinel, 14.

 
Dear Sandip: 
 
Thanks for the link and your response. 
 
I am delighted for having the opportunity to be acquainted with a sensible 
young person like you. 
 
You seem to have a very broad mind that don't get affected by small talk. Keep 
it up. 
 
Sincerely,
- A B'deu.
 
 


 
 
 

“In order to make spiritual progress you must be patient like a tree and humble 
like a blade of grass”
- Lakshmana
 
 "Optimism means expecting the best, but confidence means knowing how to handle 
the worst."
 





Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 23:17:11 -0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: assam@assamnet.org
Subject: Re: [Assam] Asom gets Rs 13 lakh against Rs 551.28 cr for Chhattisgarh 
NCDC funds (The Sentinel, 14.


Dear Alpana Ba,
 
Chattisgarh was formed out of Madhya Pradesh. Capital is Raipur.
 
http://chhattisgarh.nic.in/
 
Rgds,
Sandip




- Original Message 
From: Alpana B. Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 

Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 8:09:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Asom gets Rs 13 lakh against Rs 551.28 cr for Chhattisgarh 
NCDC funds (The Sentinel, 14.

It sure is typical of them Indians and sad to read the title - Assam getting 
just 13 lakhs as against over 550 crores by Chattisgarh. 
 
Then again I read this:  “Asom and other States of the North-east didn’t send 
any project proposal to the NCDC during the last 2/3 years"
 
What has the government been doing? Going around the world asking for 
investment money from the few little dollars from the NRAs? 
 
BTW, where is Chattisgarh? If it was not mentioned with this news (and if 
Googling was not this easy), I would have thought it was in Bangladesh. And I 
get irritated when some/other Indians ask me where Assam is!
 
 
 


 

“In order to make spiritual progress you must be patient like a tree and humble 
like a blade of grass”
- Lakshmana
 
 



Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 23:30:49 +0100
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: assam@assamnet.org
Subject: [Assam] Asom gets Rs 13 lakh against Rs 551.28 cr for Chhattisgarh 
NCDC funds (The Sentinel, 14.10.2007)

Asom gets Rs 13 lakh against Rs 551.28 cr for Chhattisgarh
NCDC funds 
Our Correspondent
NEW DELHI, Oct 13: The eight States of the North-east, including Sikkim, got a 
meagre Rs 6.17 crore (Rs 13 lakh for Asom) during the fiscal 2006-07 from the 
National Cooperative Development Corporation (NCDC), while Chhattisgarh alone 
got Rs 551.28 crore, said NCDC Chairman Kantilal Bhuria while talking to 
newsmen here today.
When asked as to why Asom got such a small amount, the NCDC Chairman said: 
“Asom and other States of the North-east didn’t send any project proposal to 
the NCDC during the last 2/3 years. The Ministry is always ready to pour in 
funds to the States for development projects in livestock, industrial goods, 
handicraft, village and rural craft, agricultural credit, rural sanitation and 
other sectors under cooperative societies, but if the State governments and the 
cooperative societies do not come forward, what can we do? My department sent 
several letters, but the State Government didn’t respond to our letters. 
Perhaps the State Government is not aware of NCDC projects.” 
NCDC Deputy Managing Director G Panmei, on the other hand, said that Union 
Agriculture Minister Sharad Pawar created an NCDC cell for the North-east in 
New Delhi so as to ensure rapid development of the cooperative sector in the 
north-eastern States that get liberal assistance to the extent of 95 per cent 
of the project cost, including the subsidy component of 33 per cent. 
According to Bhuria, the north-eastern States that have been marked as special 
category States, get 100 per cent subsidy under the ICDP Scheme.
During the fiscal 2006-07, while Chhattisgarh got Rs 551.24 crore, Andhra 
Pradesh got Rs 480 crore and Tamil Nadu got Rs 347 crore from the NCDC.
 
(The Sentinel,14.10.2007)



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Re: [Assam] Asom gets Rs 13 lakh against Rs 551.28 cr for Chhattisgarh NCDC funds (The Sentinel, 14.

[SANDIP DUTTA]

Dear Alpana Ba,

Chattisgarh was formed out of Madhya Pradesh. Capital is Raipur.

http://chhattisgarh.nic.in/

Rgds,
Sandip



- Original Message 
From: Alpana B. Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 

Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 8:09:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Asom gets Rs 13 lakh against Rs 551.28 cr for Chhattisgarh 
NCDC funds (The Sentinel, 14.

It sure is typical of them Indians and sad to read the title - Assam getting 
just 13 lakhs as against over 550 crores by Chattisgarh. 
 
Then again I read this:  “Asom and other States of the North-east didn’t send 
any project proposal to the NCDC during the last 2/3 years"
 
What has the government been doing? Going around the world asking for 
investment money from the few little dollars from the NRAs? 
 
BTW, where is Chattisgarh? If it was not mentioned with this news (and if 
Googling was not this easy), I would have thought it was in Bangladesh. And I 
get irritated when some/other Indians ask me where Assam is!
 
 
 


 

“In order to make spiritual progress you must be patient like a tree and humble 
like a blade of grass”
- Lakshmana
 
 





Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 23:30:49 +0100
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: assam@assamnet.org
Subject: [Assam] Asom gets Rs 13 lakh against Rs 551.28 cr for Chhattisgarh 
NCDC funds (The Sentinel, 14.10.2007)

Asom gets Rs 13 lakh against Rs 551.28 cr for Chhattisgarh
NCDC funds 
Our Correspondent
NEW DELHI, Oct 13: The eight States of the North-east, including Sikkim, got a 
meagre Rs 6.17 crore (Rs 13 lakh for Asom) during the fiscal 2006-07 from the 
National Cooperative Development Corporation (NCDC), while Chhattisgarh alone 
got Rs 551.28 crore, said NCDC Chairman Kantilal Bhuria while talking to 
newsmen here today.
When asked as to why Asom got such a small amount, the NCDC Chairman said: 
“Asom and other States of the North-east didn’t send any project proposal to 
the NCDC during the last 2/3 years. The Ministry is always ready to pour in 
funds to the States for development projects in livestock, industrial goods, 
handicraft, village and rural craft, agricultural credit, rural sanitation and 
other sectors under cooperative societies, but if the State governments and the 
cooperative societies do not come forward, what can we do? My department sent 
several letters, but the State Government didn’t respond to our letters. 
Perhaps the State Government is not aware of NCDC projects.” 
NCDC Deputy Managing Director G Panmei, on the other hand, said that Union 
Agriculture Minister Sharad Pawar created an NCDC cell for the North-east in 
New Delhi so as to ensure rapid development of the cooperative sector in the 
north-eastern States that get liberal assistance to the extent of 95 per cent 
of the project cost, including the subsidy component of 33 per cent. 
According to Bhuria, the north-eastern States that have been marked as special 
category States, get 100 per cent subsidy under the ICDP Scheme.
During the fiscal 2006-07, while Chhattisgarh got Rs 551.24 crore, Andhra 
Pradesh got Rs 480 crore and Tamil Nadu got Rs 347 crore from the NCDC.
 
(The Sentinel,14.10.2007)



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Re: [Assam] reply to C Da who thinks i lost my voice.

[SANDIP DUTTA]

No sir I dont know. Just blabbering wildly :-)

Maybe you can explain to all and lay down the exact points of what you think 
can and cannot be regarded as spin. Then we can go by your own standards. Maybe 
that will make you happy.

Rgds,
SD





- Original Message 
From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 

Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 11:34:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] reply to C Da who thinks i lost my voice.


>There was no reason to get into that spin regarding whether its good or bad, 
>what culture it represents etc. - totally irrelevant and unceccesary to the 
>issues being discussed here.
 






 Yes it is irrelevant to the ORIGINAL thread . But it is an issue, separate 
as it is, because YOU made an issue of it.


So why can't you explain your stand and instead want us to drop it? Getting to 
be be  too hot of a potato perhaps?


And what exactly is MY spin here? Can you point it out? I presume you know the 
meaning of 'spin' .
















At 9:21 PM -0700 10/9/07, SANDIP DUTTA wrote:
Fine - you didnt. So you asked and we told you.
 
There was no reason to get into that spin regarding whether its good or bad, 
what culture it represents etc. - totally irrelevant and unceccesary to the 
issues being discussed here.
 
Rgds,
Sandip
 


 
- Original Message 
From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 

Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 1:14:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] reply to C Da who thinks i lost my voice.

At 11:13 PM +0530 10/9/07, Nayanjyoti Medhi wrote:

C Da,

I think language is a medium for communication. What if I mix  2 or 3 or 4 
lanuages? You should be happy as long as you understand  what i wanted to say.




*** Did I ?









the only thing language does is to carry the message across.






 My point likewise.







or should i have taken a Phd in language and grammer to make you understand?






  I don't know. Should you?








 

On 10/9/07, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Does it matter whether its good or bad?


 

 Because of the  implications embedded in the opinion:


 


 

.you would have recognized it if

>you were familiar with the fact that now many Assamese speak it too.


 


 


 

>And yes, it is the language of the young crowd spoken by many across India.


 


 

 Oxomiyas starting with US ( aami) an English word, bole to ( say)  a Hindi 
phrase,  like Indians all over, is a good thing for WHAT?


 

The Oxomiya language?


 

Hindi Language?


 

English language  ?


 

World amity?


 

Oxomiya culture?


 

Bollywood culture?


 


 


 


 


 


 

At 10:20 AM -0700 10/9/07, SANDIP DUTTA wrote:

>>>And is it good or bad for  Kharkhowas  speaking  like that?

 

Does it matter whether its good or bad? Why should a new dialect be bad? And 
yes, it is the language of the young crowd spoken by many across India.

 

Rgds,

SD

- Original Message 
From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world < 
assam@assamnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 3:13:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] reply to C Da who thinks i lost my voice.

I still don't get it though. Does it mean  'they say '?



BTW, what is 'munnabhai hindi', is it some kind of cool talk,
practised by the desi in-crowd ?

And is it good or bad for  Kharkhowas  speaking  like that? Does it
signify an upward mobility, fitting in with those who matter?




At 10:05 AM -0700 10/9/07, SANDIP DUTTA wrote:

>US BOLE TO...thats munnabhai hindi..you would have recognized it if

>you were familiar with the fact that now many Assamese speak it too.
>
>Rgds,
>Sandip
>

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Re: [Assam] reply to C Da who thinks i lost my voice.

[SANDIP DUTTA]

Nayan,

Love the way you write the messages :-)) .They probably didnt bargain for an 
advocate in this forum..haha.

Rgds,
Sandip


- Original Message 
From: Nayanjyoti Medhi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 

Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 12:15:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] reply to C Da who thinks i lost my voice.


Dilip Da,
why do you get the notion that i am going to lose my mind? and I did not say i 
lost my voice, if you go through C Da's posts, you will find that it was he who 
said that i have lost my voice.

 
On 10/10/07, Dilip/Dil Deka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
Huh? Come again.
Nayan,
You may think you lost your voice but you will get it back. But if you lose 
your mind, it will be hard to get it back. 
It still doesn't make any sense. "Us bole to" = ? in English or Assamese.
Dilip Deka
=== 

Nayanjyoti Medhi <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
us = aami
soory to have used hindi. that too cut copy paste from a hindi movie. but 
nevertheless, i meant to say that aami (us) xei bilak akhomiya june liberation 
nibisare aaru jun bilak akhomiyai prasna khudhile, xihotor verification 
koribologia hoi   :) 

 
On 10/9/07, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: 
I still don't get it though. Does it mean  'they say '?



BTW, what is 'munnabhai hindi', is it some kind of cool talk, 
practised by the desi in-crowd ?

And is it good or bad for  Kharkhowas  speaking  like that? Does it
signify an upward mobility, fitting in with those who matter?




At 10:05 AM -0700 10/9/07, SANDIP DUTTA wrote: 
>US BOLE TO...thats munnabhai hindi..you would have recognized it if
>you were familiar with the fact that now many Assamese speak it too.
>
>Rgds,
>Sandip
>

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Chamber:
Satya Bora Lane, Dighalipukhuri East
Guwahati-781001, Assam

Residence:
8, Chandan Nagar Bye Lane-2
Basistha Road, Guwahati-28
Assam

Phone:
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+91 94350 43007

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Re: [Assam] reply to C Da who thinks i lost my voice.

[SANDIP DUTTA]

Ok, got the meaning now.

So are you Assamese (I know you are writing Phukan but...)

Rgds,
sD


- Original Message 
From: muktikam phukan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 

Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 10:31:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] reply to C Da who thinks i lost my voice.


Whats personal here -
 
An Assamese eats "Khar"   So he is a kharkhowa
A Bengali eats "Xukan fish"    So he is a drie dfish khowa
 


SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I dont know you enough to get into personal attacks like you have done. If that 
was an attempt to make me mad, it was stupid to say the least. 
 
But now its clear what culture YOU are coming from. Why not give up your plum 
PSU job and join the ranks of the shrill screaming mafia we have here?
 
Rgds,
SD


- Original Message 
From: muktikam phukan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 

Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 9:45:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] reply to C Da who thinks i lost my voice.

Why do people talk to this person SD as "kharkhowa". He is a "Dried fish Khowa"

SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
>>>And is it good or bad for  Kharkhowas  speaking  like that? 
 
Does it matter whether its good or bad? Why should a new dialect be bad? And 
yes, it is the language of the young crowd spoken by many across India.
 
Rgds,
SD


- Original Message 
From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 

Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 3:13:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] reply to C Da who thinks i lost my voice.


I still don't get it though. Does it mean  'they say '?



BTW, what is 'munnabhai hindi', is it some kind of cool talk, 
practised by the desi in-crowd ?

And is it good or bad for  Kharkhowas  speaking  like that? Does it 
signify an upward mobility, fitting in with those who matter?




At 10:05 AM -0700 10/9/07, SANDIP DUTTA wrote:
>US BOLE TO...thats munnabhai hindi..you would have recognized it if 
>you were familiar with the fact that now many Assamese speak it too.
>
>Rgds,
>Sandip
>

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Re: [Assam] reply to C Da who thinks i lost my voice.

[SANDIP DUTTA]

I dont know you enough to get into personal attacks like you have done. If that 
was an attempt to make me mad, it was stupid to say the least. 

But now its clear what culture YOU are coming from. Why not give up your plum 
PSU job and join the ranks of the shrill screaming mafia we have here?

Rgds,
SD


- Original Message 
From: muktikam phukan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 

Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 9:45:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] reply to C Da who thinks i lost my voice.

Why do people talk to this person SD as "kharkhowa". He is a "Dried fish Khowa"

SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
>>>And is it good or bad for  Kharkhowas  speaking  like that? 
 
Does it matter whether its good or bad? Why should a new dialect be bad? And 
yes, it is the language of the young crowd spoken by many across India.
 
Rgds,
SD


- Original Message 
From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 

Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 3:13:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] reply to C Da who thinks i lost my voice.


I still don't get it though. Does it mean  'they say '?



BTW, what is 'munnabhai hindi', is it some kind of cool talk, 
practised by the desi in-crowd ?

And is it good or bad for  Kharkhowas  speaking  like that? Does it 
signify an upward mobility, fitting in with those who matter?




At 10:05 AM -0700 10/9/07, SANDIP DUTTA wrote:
>US BOLE TO...thats munnabhai hindi..you would have recognized it if 
>you were familiar with the fact that now many Assamese speak it too.
>
>Rgds,
>Sandip
>

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Re: [Assam] reply to C Da who thinks i lost my voice.

[SANDIP DUTTA]

Fine - you didnt. So you asked and we told you.

There was no reason to get into that spin regarding whether its good or bad, 
what culture it represents etc. - totally irrelevant and unceccesary to the 
issues being discussed here.

Rgds,
Sandip




- Original Message 
From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 

Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 1:14:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] reply to C Da who thinks i lost my voice.


At 11:13 PM +0530 10/9/07, Nayanjyoti Medhi wrote:
C Da,
I think language is a medium for communication. What if I mix  2 or 3 or 4 
lanuages? You should be happy as long as you understand  what i wanted to say.



*** Did I ?









the only thing language does is to carry the message across.





 My point likewise.







or should i have taken a Phd in language and grammer to make you understand?





  I don't know. Should you? 








 
On 10/9/07, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Does it matter whether its good or bad?

 
 Because of the  implications embedded in the opinion:

 

 

.you would have recognized it if

>you were familiar with the fact that now many Assamese speak it too.

 

 

 
>And yes, it is the language of the young crowd spoken by many across India.

 

 
 Oxomiyas starting with US ( aami) an English word, bole to ( say)  a Hindi 
phrase,  like Indians all over, is a good thing for WHAT?

 
The Oxomiya language?

 
Hindi Language?

 
English language  ?

 
World amity?

 
Oxomiya culture?

 
Bollywood culture?

 

 

 

 

 

 
At 10:20 AM -0700 10/9/07, SANDIP DUTTA wrote:

>>>And is it good or bad for  Kharkhowas  speaking  like that?

 

Does it matter whether its good or bad? Why should a new dialect be bad? And 
yes, it is the language of the young crowd spoken by many across India.

 

Rgds,

SD

- Original Message 
From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world < 
assam@assamnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 3:13:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] reply to C Da who thinks i lost my voice.

I still don't get it though. Does it mean  'they say '?



BTW, what is 'munnabhai hindi', is it some kind of cool talk,
practised by the desi in-crowd ?

And is it good or bad for  Kharkhowas  speaking  like that? Does it
signify an upward mobility, fitting in with those who matter?




At 10:05 AM -0700 10/9/07, SANDIP DUTTA wrote:

>US BOLE TO...thats munnabhai hindi..you would have recognized it if

>you were familiar with the fact that now many Assamese speak it too.
>
>Rgds,
>Sandip
>

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Re: [Assam] reply to C Da who thinks i lost my voice.

[SANDIP DUTTA]

>>>And is it good or bad for  Kharkhowas  speaking  like that? 

Does it matter whether its good or bad? Why should a new dialect be bad? And 
yes, it is the language of the young crowd spoken by many across India.

Rgds,
SD


- Original Message 
From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 

Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 3:13:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] reply to C Da who thinks i lost my voice.


I still don't get it though. Does it mean  'they say '?



BTW, what is 'munnabhai hindi', is it some kind of cool talk, 
practised by the desi in-crowd ?

And is it good or bad for  Kharkhowas  speaking  like that? Does it 
signify an upward mobility, fitting in with those who matter?




At 10:05 AM -0700 10/9/07, SANDIP DUTTA wrote:
>US BOLE TO...thats munnabhai hindi..you would have recognized it if 
>you were familiar with the fact that now many Assamese speak it too.
>
>Rgds,
>Sandip
>

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Re: [Assam] What a response!!

[SANDIP DUTTA]

>> Those who indulge in it, really expose their own inability to articulate a 
>> coherent response, much less a credible one.

And what about the recipients inability to READ a coherent response?

Rgds,
SD


- Original Message 
From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 

Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2007 11:52:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] What a response!!




>Is the debate worth the hurt feelings it is causing?


Personally, I don't have any  problem with anyone calling me names or 
personally attacking me.  My feelings could not be hurt by people who make fun 
of me or my views.  Those who indulge in it, really expose their own inability 
to articulate a coherent response, much less a credible one.


But I do realize, that those whose feelings are founded on how others perceive 
them and if they end up being presented in an unflattering light for what they 
say or imply, that might  cause  humiliation, anger,
lashing out with personal attacks, parodying and caricaturing, attributing 
manufactured quotes and such other less than honorable  or mature reactions.


But there is a good way to prevent it: It requires a bit i of careful thinking 
before shooting off one's mouth in anger or annoyance.




Do we need to continue the discussions and debates? Absolutely.




Just because a majority of the  participants here sing the chorus of Assam's 
continued servitude, does not make it the last word. Silence merely helps shove 
 the dirt, the issues, under the rug, and does not lead either to thinking 
critically, nor informing that vast majority of the audience who observe in a 
silence. While the term 'sovereignty' is an easy pill to reject for the 
nay-sayers, it has ingredients that everyone needs to look at and decide if 
they are NOT needed for their well-being.  That is why it is of critical 
importance, for the able and the willing, to analyze and examine them and let 
the chips fall where they may.


>What amazes me is how the big group that is against is allowing the two to 
>rile them up.


*** I explained that a number of times, didn't I ? Hard to accept that however, 
isn't it :-)?


> Differences will always exist, and it is also a great quality to agree to 
> disagree and move on.


*** That will be a very simplistic conclusion, to agree to disagree and move 
on, particularly on THIS issue of enormous importance to Assam's present and 
its future. We all have a stake in its many ramifications.




>As for debating on  facts, It does not seem to stick, on this subject.


*** I don't get it. But if I agree we cannot depend upon "FACTS", since there 
is no telling how trustworthy the facts presented might be.  That is why I 
always resort to looking at the basic principles.








At 7:42 PM -0700 10/5/07, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote:
Gentlemen,
I am sorry to say that it is degenerating into personal attack. Is there a need 
to continue it?
let's stop and count how many are arguing for Assam's sovereignty in this net 
and how many are against. I count two for (not counting Rubi Bhuyan),  and many 
against. What amazes me is how the big group that is against is allowing the 
two to rile them up. Is the big group trying to reach unanimity? Differences 
will always exist, and it is also a great quality to agree to disagree and move 
on.
As for debating on  facts, It does not seem to stick, on this subject. It looks 
like a cat and mouse game.
Is the debate worth the hurt feelings it is causing? I have my doubts. How 
about you?
Dilip Deka
===
Shantikam Hazarika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Next time whenever any one has a query, the questioner would have to
qualify each question with the rationale behind each question. I think
I would give your argument to the Students' Union so that they can
agitate that in future, every question paper in examinations must have
a page explaining what the question setter had in mind while setting
the question.

Wah.When you have no answers to Uttam's questions, you first
insist what is the purpose without which you are not willing to
answer.

> But I' will give you one more chance to redeem yourself. We all make
> bad decisions every now and then. So, even though you have been
> evading the points I raised, you can correct yourself, and tell us,
> that Utpal's ploy was not a constructive one. A far better one would
> have been to engage in a sincere DIALOGUE, of give and take; ask,
> answer and vice-versa.

I have much more important and better things to do than to redeem
myself before you. Our purpose was a DIALOGUE, and that too of the
"sincere" variety and the best way we could have started was by
seeking answers to questions that are plaguing the minds of most
"educated", "middle class" Assamese people. You took the
responsibility of holding the fort on their behalf while, as it seems,
they have scooted, leaving you to hold the baby. Well, you 

Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy

[SANDIP DUTTA]

:-)




- Original Message 
From: umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 

Sent: Monday, October 1, 2007 12:39:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy

Sandip-da,

Thats not an answer to Rajen-da's question. 

***I do not live in the US of A :-)
Ques: Where do you live and what do you believe in life?

Did you lose something in translation?
:-)

Umesh


SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I do not live in the US of A :-)
 
About mission - I am yet to define my mission statement. Would be glad if you 
helped me - but for that you need to be clear about your own mission first :-))
 
Rgds,
SD


- Original Message 
From: Rajen & Ajanta Barua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 

Sent: Monday, October 1, 2007 10:42:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy


Where do you live and what do you believe in life?
What is your mission in life?
Rajenda
 
- Original Message - 
From: SANDIP DUTTA 
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy


Dear Rajen Da,
 
Exactly what has motivated you to start this discussion? As far as we are 
concerned, you are an NRA with American citizenship residing in America. Do you 
seriously think these views really matter to even a miniscule of the Indian 
ruling polity? I think the discussion on maps and boundaries was settled in '47.
 
Even if India runs on the dirty word "Vote Bank Politics", its the voter whose 
opinion matters. That is why BJP got booted out after India Shining campaign. - 
and Mayavati got power back in UP. So are you a "voter?".
 
It may also be "vote bank politics" of a slightly different nature that 
motivated Laloo to transform IR.
 
If the intention is to make a difference, why not come back and join Indian 
politics? 
 
Incidentally, TOI is running a campaign called "Future leaders" of India. A 
bulk of the interested people who now want to join politics are highly paid 
professionals from South India. 
 
 
Rgds,
SD 



- Original Message 
From: Rajen & Ajanta Barua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 

Sent: Monday, October 1, 2007 8:10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy


If you want to know the
> truth try the test which I mentioned  put a map of
> India on map of Ashoka's kingdom and you will clearly
> see that presnt KArnataka, AP and parts of TN were
> ruled by him. 
 
Nobody is denying that. 
But that is not the whole South India. 
The Cholas, Pandyas, Satyaputras, Kerelaputra in south were not included
in Ashoka's kingdom.
 
During the British Raj, India was divided into many many small kingdoms.
 


- Original Message - 
From: "Krishnendu Chakraborty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 9:16 PM
Subject: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy


> Someone with closed eyes will not see even the
> obvious. 
> 
> No point in any more debate.  If you want to know the
> truth try the test which I mentioned  put a map of
> India on map of Ashoka's kingdom and you will clearly
> see that presnt KArnataka, AP and parts of TN were
> ruled by him.
 
> Rest ... it is upto you if you want to believe History
> or create your own history
> 
> As for British India .. again you can refer to
> History book to get your facts straightened.
> 
> Actually,  it is you who need to look for a cure for
> Heartburn ... India is united and will remain united
> inspite of heartburn of some.
> 
>>>The above does not show that
> 
>>>Means the above does not show that your statement
>>>is true that it included 
>>>the south.
>>>The above also shows that Cholas, Pandyas,
>>>Satyaputras, Kerelaputra in south 
> were not included in
> Ashoka's kingdom.
> As well as the whole NE is not iincluded in Ashoka's
> empire which was the 
> largest Mauryan empire.
> In fact it shrank after that.
>>>The present geographical area of India was never
> under one country whichever 
> way you look at it.
>>>Not even under the British which contained many many
> small kingdoms.
>>>Now you can split hair and try to cure your
> heartburn.
> Rajenda
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Krishnendu Chakraborty"  yahoo.com>
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 3:00 PM
> Subject: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi-
> Bengal democracy
&

Re: [Assam] Indian Political Boundary

[SANDIP DUTTA]

I am NOT concerned about whether the movies are popular in the below mentioned 
regions.

Rgds,
Sandip


- Original Message 
From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 

Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 8:14:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Indian Political Boundary




Hindi movies are very popular in Abu Dhabi, Egypt and Albania too.


Putting two and two together, like the desi knowledge brigade so clearly 
project, we can fairly assume that  pretty soon the whole world will change 
over to Hindi.




















At 3:55 AM -0700 9/30/07, SANDIP DUTTA wrote:
Hindi movies are equally popular in Karnataka and Andhra. In TN also the 
situation is changing. I have two-three tamil colleaugues who speak pretty good 
Hindi though they never stepped out of TN before getting a job. They say they 
learnt voluntarily from Hindi Pracharak Samitis.
 
Rgds,
Sandip

- Original Message 
From: biswajeet saikia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 

Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 6:59:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Indian Political Boundary

I hope when people discuss such types of things, it is better to verify various 
 linguistic survey where district wise data has given. We need need to imagin 
anything for argument.

Dilip/Dil Deka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

In a federalistic system, the state decides how it wants to run its business -- 
right?
In a few years states like Texas, Florida and Arizona will see Hispanic 
population as the majority, with Spanish used as the other language for running 
official business definitely, and may be other businesses too if they turn out 
to be import/export only. If the majority in a state decides to use Spanish for 
its business, won't the citizens of that state need Spanish to get ahead?
 
In India, Hindi is spoken by more and more Indians. When I lived in India it 
was rare to find a person in the South speaking Hindi. When I interact with 
Indians working with us on global projects, I find even Indians from the South 
speak fluent Hindi. Where they learnt I don't know and I don't know if they 
were forced to learn.
Dilip

Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



>It is slowly changing and clash of linguistic groups is bound to happen.


*** Does that mean that unless an American learns Spanish, she might not be 
able to get ahead when that time arrives?




*** And to extend the logic, will one have to learn Hindi to get ahead  in 
India pretty soon,  unless it is already so?




















At 12:39 PM -0700 9/28/07, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote:

If you leave out the Hispanics, you can say it is one language in USA. As we 
all know, USA will have to face the issue of two rival languages very soon.

 

Also USA does not have an official language. The reign of English as the 
language is due to the fact that all immigrants had to learn the language to 
get ahead. It is slowly changing and clash of linguistic groups is bound to 
happen.

Dilip

barua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

It is all one mother tongue, one language here.
Not like India as a whole administered by a foreign language: English.
Barua

- Original Message -
From: "Krishnendu Chakraborty"
To:
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 9:12 AM
Subject: [Assam] Indian Political Boundary


Rajen-da
>>First India was never such a big united country as
it is now.

 Applying this logic, even US should be termed as
a country that was never expected to ever be a
country. Apart from European colonization the wars,
grabbing of land from Native Americans and Speniards
continued till late 19th century (source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA#Native_Americans_and_European_settlers).
Same goes true for Canada (even may be Australia).


>>>>> First India was never such a big united country
as it is now.
Even during the British Raj, there were many many
independepdent states ruled by Maharajas, where prsent
India is.
Second, the South was never under any Indian kings
except to some extent under the Moghols.

* The map I see in wiki
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurya_dynasty) shows
that almost entire south barring present TN and Kerala
was under Mauryas.

Coming to point of Assam, Kamrup historically had a
very close tie with rest of India ... reference
Mahabharat. Culturally too, think about Krishna --
Kalika Purana mentions that the last of the
Naraka-bhauma rulers, Narak, was slained by Krishna.

As for never being ruled by any Indian King, the
argument is same as I mentioned for US or Canada or
many other countries.


>>>>>> The Indian situation is same. It is one
country because of one foreign language: English. Thus
the historians have a point. Today, take away the
English language fron India, the Indian democracy will
collapese overnight.

* This is a very new argument ... never

Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy

[SANDIP DUTTA]

Dear Rajen Da,

Exactly what has motivated you to start this discussion? As far as we are 
concerned, you are an NRA with American citizenship residing in America. Do you 
seriously think these views really matter to even a miniscule of the Indian 
ruling polity? I think the discussion on maps and boundaries was settled in '47.

Even if India runs on the dirty word "Vote Bank Politics", its the voter whose 
opinion matters. That is why BJP got booted out after India Shining campaign. - 
and Mayavati got power back in UP. So are you a "voter?".

It may also be "vote bank politics" of a slightly different nature that 
motivated Laloo to transform IR.

If the intention is to make a difference, why not come back and join Indian 
politics? 

Incidentally, TOI is running a campaign called "Future leaders" of India. A 
bulk of the interested people who now want to join politics are highly paid 
professionals from South India. 


Rgds,
SD 



- Original Message 
From: Rajen & Ajanta Barua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 

Sent: Monday, October 1, 2007 8:10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy


If you want to know the
> truth try the test which I mentioned  put a map of
> India on map of Ashoka's kingdom and you will clearly
> see that presnt KArnataka, AP and parts of TN were
> ruled by him. 
 
Nobody is denying that. 
But that is not the whole South India. 
The Cholas, Pandyas, Satyaputras, Kerelaputra in south were not included
in Ashoka's kingdom.
 
During the British Raj, India was divided into many many small kingdoms.
 


- Original Message - 
From: "Krishnendu Chakraborty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 9:16 PM
Subject: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy


> Someone with closed eyes will not see even the
> obvious. 
> 
> No point in any more debate.  If you want to know the
> truth try the test which I mentioned  put a map of
> India on map of Ashoka's kingdom and you will clearly
> see that presnt KArnataka, AP and parts of TN were
> ruled by him.
 
> Rest ... it is upto you if you want to believe History
> or create your own history
> 
> As for British India .. again you can refer to
> History book to get your facts straightened.
> 
> Actually,  it is you who need to look for a cure for
> Heartburn ... India is united and will remain united
> inspite of heartburn of some.
> 
>>>The above does not show that
> 
>>>Means the above does not show that your statement
>>>is true that it included 
>>>the south.
>>>The above also shows that Cholas, Pandyas,
>>>Satyaputras, Kerelaputra in south 
> were not included in
> Ashoka's kingdom.
> As well as the whole NE is not iincluded in Ashoka's
> empire which was the 
> largest Mauryan empire.
> In fact it shrank after that.
>>>The present geographical area of India was never
> under one country whichever 
> way you look at it.
>>>Not even under the British which contained many many
> small kingdoms.
>>>Now you can split hair and try to cure your
> heartburn.
> Rajenda
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Krishnendu Chakraborty"  yahoo.com>
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 3:00 PM
> Subject: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi-
> Bengal democracy
> 
> 
>>> shows that Ashoka's kingdom included present day
>>> Karnataka, Andhra and parts of TN.
>>
>>>The above does not show that
>>
>> I will let netters decide that. Or you can easily
>> visualise it by tracing a map of India of same size
>> and superimposing on this map.
>>
>>>The above also shows that Cholas, Pandyas,
>> Satyaputras, Kerelaputra in south were not included
> in
>> Ashoka's kingdom.
>>
>> As I said ... we were discussing APPROXIMATION.  If
>> you exclude NE, Ashoka's kingdom included 90% of
>> landmass which now form presnt India (including
>> South).  I guess 90% is a good approximation.
>>
>> If you talk about Exact political boundary, over
> half
>> of today's countries will not pass your test.
>>
> 
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Re: [Assam] Indian Political Boundary

[SANDIP DUTTA]

Hindi movies are equally popular in Karnataka and Andhra. In TN also the 
situation is changing. I have two-three tamil colleaugues who speak pretty good 
Hindi though they never stepped out of TN before getting a job. They say they 
learnt voluntarily from Hindi Pracharak Samitis.

Rgds,
Sandip


- Original Message 
From: biswajeet saikia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 

Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 6:59:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Indian Political Boundary

I hope when people discuss such types of things, it is better to verify various 
 linguistic survey where district wise data has given. We need need to imagin 
anything for argument. 

Dilip/Dil Deka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
In a federalistic system, the state decides how it wants to run its business -- 
right?
In a few years states like Texas, Florida and Arizona will see Hispanic 
population as the majority, with Spanish used as the other language for running 
official business definitely, and may be other businesses too if they turn out 
to be import/export only. If the majority in a state decides to use Spanish for 
its business, won't the citizens of that state need Spanish to get ahead?
 
In India, Hindi is spoken by more and more Indians. When I lived in India it 
was rare to find a person in the South speaking Hindi. When I interact with 
Indians working with us on global projects, I find even Indians from the South 
speak fluent Hindi. Where they learnt I don't know and I don't know if they 
were forced to learn.
Dilip

Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


>It is slowly changing and clash of linguistic groups is bound to happen.


*** Does that mean that unless an American learns Spanish, she might not be 
able to get ahead when that time arrives?




*** And to extend the logic, will one have to learn Hindi to get ahead  in 
India pretty soon,  unless it is already so?




















At 12:39 PM -0700 9/28/07, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote:
If you leave out the Hispanics, you can say it is one language in USA. As we 
all know, USA will have to face the issue of two rival languages very soon.
 
Also USA does not have an official language. The reign of English as the 
language is due to the fact that all immigrants had to learn the language to 
get ahead. It is slowly changing and clash of linguistic groups is bound to 
happen.
Dilip

barua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

It is all one mother tongue, one language here.
Not like India as a whole administered by a foreign language: English.
Barua

- Original Message -
From: "Krishnendu Chakraborty"
To:
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 9:12 AM
Subject: [Assam] Indian Political Boundary


Rajen-da
>>First India was never such a big united country as
it is now.

 Applying this logic, even US should be termed as
a country that was never expected to ever be a
country. Apart from European colonization the wars,
grabbing of land from Native Americans and Speniards
continued till late 19th century (source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA#Native_Americans_and_European_settlers).
Same goes true for Canada (even may be Australia).


> First India was never such a big united country
as it is now.
Even during the British Raj, there were many many
independepdent states ruled by Maharajas, where prsent
India is.
Second, the South was never under any Indian kings
except to some extent under the Moghols.

* The map I see in wiki
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurya_dynasty) shows
that almost entire south barring present TN and Kerala
was under Mauryas.

Coming to point of Assam, Kamrup historically had a
very close tie with rest of India ... reference
Mahabharat. Culturally too, think about Krishna --
Kalika Purana mentions that the last of the
Naraka-bhauma rulers, Narak, was slained by Krishna.

As for never being ruled by any Indian King, the
argument is same as I mentioned for US or Canada or
many other countries.


>> The Indian situation is same. It is one
country because of one foreign language: English. Thus
the historians have a point. Today, take away the
English language fron India, the Indian democracy will
collapese overnight.

* This is a very new argument ... never heard
this argument earlier! How many people in villages of
India do you think can speak English ... I am not
talking about proficient but at least Pigin English?
A guess will be less then half of Indian Population
speaks English. People adapt languages because of
convenience. Imagine, had you been a villager of
Assam, would you care to learn English? Or say if you
spend most of your life in Delhi or UP, can you avoid
learnig Hindi even though you might be a Hindi hater?





>The issue under discussion is : "India is the
country that was never expected to ever be a country".

The above point which some historians are trying to
make is this.
First India was never such a big united country as it
is now.
Even during the British Raj, t

Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy

[SANDIP DUTTA]

Dear Mr. Muktikam Phukan,

Thanks for the valuable comments. 

You are saying you have been in Delhi for 6 years and you learnt Hindi by 
compulsion only because of "GOI policies"?

On one hand we talk of the continuous complaints on integration of other 
communities in Assam. 

Isnt the reverse true as well? So on the other hand we have people like you 
brazenly admitting that you have never wanted to learn Hindi even though you 
were in Delhi for 6 long years and will probably continue to reside there.

Thanks for the admission though :-)

Rgds,
Sandip

- Original Message 
From: muktikam phukan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 

Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 12:03:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy


Dear Mr Sandip Dutta
 
Congratulations for your proficiency in Hindi, u  being , I hope , an Assamese 
by birth. This is more significant as presently, being September, the Hindi 
Fortnight is going on countrywide. 
But please do not speak on behalf of all the assamese on their proficiency in 
Hindi. I m in Delhi for the last 6 years. Due to the location of Delhi & GoI 
policies, I'd to improve my Hindi by compulsion. Otherwise, I'd never had tried 
to improve my Hindi. As goes Assam & the small towns, Hindi is still not 
understood or spoken profieciently. Yes, it has improved a lot. But improvement 
is not voluntary. Its because of the media being mostly in Hindi.
 
Regards
Muktikam
SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hindi has about 350-400 M native speakers.
 
People like me are not native speakers but our Hindi is as good as any native. 
Not just me - but tons of people all across India.
 
Official statistics difficult to locate - but there could be upto 800 M people 
now who speak and understand Hindi (as per wiki)
 
Rgds,
Sandip


- Original Message 
From: barua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 

Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 10:07:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy


>In India, more than 30% are native speakers of Hindi and a total of between 65 
>and 75% read, write and understand/speak the language. That >includes many 
>southern speakers as well
65 and 75% Indians read, write Hindi? Where did you get this statistics?
In our time hardly any Assamese knew Hindi. The GOI big brother must be doing a 
good job in Assam.
>Compare that to English - less than 1.5% of the population actually have 
>proficiency in it. 
The power of English.
Barua
 
- Original Message - 
From: SANDIP DUTTA 
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy


First you said - "to get into the elite, one must learn english". I gave you 
the example of Laloo. There are many others like him.
 
Next you said - "indian unity is because of english". 
 
In India, more than 30% are native speakers of Hindi and a total of between 65 
and 75% read, write and understand/speak the language. That includes many 
southern speakers as well.
 
Compare that to English - less than 1.5% of the population actually have 
proficiency in it. 
 
English is there not because it is necessary to enforce unity but because it 
helps us get business and do business with most of the outside world. How you 
apply it is upto you. Remember I mentioned "business" and "admin". "Admin" 
doesnt necessarily mean government administration only. 
 
So how can I aggree with your conclusions??
 
Rgds,
SD
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 



- Original Message 
From: barua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 

Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 11:31:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy


>now it is a situational demand. With 14+ official languages, English is 
>naturally the language of choice for business and admin. 
 
Thanks for supporting my point. I was not referring to any demand to learn 
English but it is a situation demand in India to learn English today.
In the ancient India, it was also a  situational demand to learn Sanskrit to 
get into the elite. Now it is English. That was my point.
So you should start by saying, 'I agree' instead.
Thanks
Barua
 
- Original Message - 
From: SANDIP DUTTA 
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy


I disaggee - Earlier it could have been a problem of compulsion but now it is a 
situational demand. With 14+ official languages, English is naturally the 
language of choice

Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy

[SANDIP DUTTA]

Hindi has about 350-400 M native speakers.

People like me are not native speakers but our Hindi is as good as any native. 
Not just me - but tons of people all across India.

Official statistics difficult to locate - but there could be upto 800 M people 
now who speak and understand Hindi (as per wiki)

Rgds,
Sandip


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From: barua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 

Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 10:07:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy


>In India, more than 30% are native speakers of Hindi and a total of between 65 
>and 75% read, write and understand/speak the language. That >includes many 
>southern speakers as well
65 and 75% Indians read, write Hindi? Where did you get this statistics?
In our time hardly any Assamese knew Hindi. The GOI big brother must be doing a 
good job in Assam.
>Compare that to English - less than 1.5% of the population actually have 
>proficiency in it. 
The power of English.
Barua
 
- Original Message - 
From: SANDIP DUTTA 
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy


First you said - "to get into the elite, one must learn english". I gave you 
the example of Laloo. There are many others like him.
 
Next you said - "indian unity is because of english". 
 
In India, more than 30% are native speakers of Hindi and a total of between 65 
and 75% read, write and understand/speak the language. That includes many 
southern speakers as well.
 
Compare that to English - less than 1.5% of the population actually have 
proficiency in it. 
 
English is there not because it is necessary to enforce unity but because it 
helps us get business and do business with most of the outside world. How you 
apply it is upto you. Remember I mentioned "business" and "admin". "Admin" 
doesnt necessarily mean government administration only. 
 
So how can I aggree with your conclusions??
 
Rgds,
SD
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 



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From: barua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 

Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 11:31:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy


>now it is a situational demand. With 14+ official languages, English is 
>naturally the language of choice for business and admin. 
 
Thanks for supporting my point. I was not referring to any demand to learn 
English but it is a situation demand in India to learn English today.
In the ancient India, it was also a  situational demand to learn Sanskrit to 
get into the elite. Now it is English. That was my point.
So you should start by saying, 'I agree' instead.
Thanks
Barua
 
- Original Message - 
From: SANDIP DUTTA 
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy


I disaggee - Earlier it could have been a problem of compulsion but now it is a 
situational demand. With 14+ official languages, English is naturally the 
language of choice for business and admin. 
 
Also it depends if you really are insistent on defining "elite" in the manner 
you do. 
 
Taking the earlier example of Laloo - he is not exceptionally good with English 
but he is still in the elite class by virtue of being minister. His recent 
successes in reforming IR have now made him unofficial management consultant as 
well. 
 
Hope that makes sense.
 
Rgds,
Sandip
 
 
 
- Original Message 
From: barua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 9:37:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy


>I myself know an IRS officer now posted in Coorg district of Karnataka. He is 
>from UP and from a very lower middle class background. However >after 15 years 
>in the services, his english is as good as anyone else's and he has good 
>working knowledge of Kannada.
If the guy knows good English, it actually proves my original point that in 
India in ancient when one had to learn Sanskrit to be in the elite class, now 
one has to be good in English to be in the elite class.
Barua
 
 
- Original Message - 
From: SANDIP DUTTA 
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy


Rather than coming to conclusions about whether this attributes to dictatorship 
- why not involve someone from that state in this discussion to see if he 
concurs with th

Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy

[SANDIP DUTTA]

"In our time hardly any Assamese knew English".

Why not pay a visit to Guwahati and any of the other smaller towns now to see 
the change :-).

In your time, did you have the avenues to learn and appreciate Hindi? In our 
time, we do.

GOI doesnt need to do anything. Private enterprise is driving this.

Rgds,
Sandip



- Original Message 
From: barua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 

Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 10:07:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy


>In India, more than 30% are native speakers of Hindi and a total of between 65 
>and 75% read, write and understand/speak the language. That >includes many 
>southern speakers as well
65 and 75% Indians read, write Hindi? Where did you get this statistics?
In our time hardly any Assamese knew Hindi. The GOI big brother must be doing a 
good job in Assam.
>Compare that to English - less than 1.5% of the population actually have 
>proficiency in it. 
The power of English.
Barua
 
----- Original Message - 
From: SANDIP DUTTA 
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy


First you said - "to get into the elite, one must learn english". I gave you 
the example of Laloo. There are many others like him.
 
Next you said - "indian unity is because of english". 
 
In India, more than 30% are native speakers of Hindi and a total of between 65 
and 75% read, write and understand/speak the language. That includes many 
southern speakers as well.
 
Compare that to English - less than 1.5% of the population actually have 
proficiency in it. 
 
English is there not because it is necessary to enforce unity but because it 
helps us get business and do business with most of the outside world. How you 
apply it is upto you. Remember I mentioned "business" and "admin". "Admin" 
doesnt necessarily mean government administration only. 
 
So how can I aggree with your conclusions??
 
Rgds,
SD
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 



- Original Message 
From: barua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 

Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 11:31:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy


>now it is a situational demand. With 14+ official languages, English is 
>naturally the language of choice for business and admin. 
 
Thanks for supporting my point. I was not referring to any demand to learn 
English but it is a situation demand in India to learn English today.
In the ancient India, it was also a  situational demand to learn Sanskrit to 
get into the elite. Now it is English. That was my point.
So you should start by saying, 'I agree' instead.
Thanks
Barua
 
- Original Message - 
From: SANDIP DUTTA 
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy


I disaggee - Earlier it could have been a problem of compulsion but now it is a 
situational demand. With 14+ official languages, English is naturally the 
language of choice for business and admin. 
 
Also it depends if you really are insistent on defining "elite" in the manner 
you do. 
 
Taking the earlier example of Laloo - he is not exceptionally good with English 
but he is still in the elite class by virtue of being minister. His recent 
successes in reforming IR have now made him unofficial management consultant as 
well. 
 
Hope that makes sense.
 
Rgds,
Sandip
 
 
 
- Original Message 
From: barua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 

Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 9:37:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy


>I myself know an IRS officer now posted in Coorg district of Karnataka. He is 
>from UP and from a very lower middle class background. However >after 15 years 
>in the services, his english is as good as anyone else's and he has good 
>working knowledge of Kannada.
If the guy knows good English, it actually proves my original point that in 
India in ancient when one had to learn Sanskrit to be in the elite class, now 
one has to be good in English to be in the elite class.
Barua
 
 
- Original Message - 
From: SANDIP DUTTA 
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy


Rather than coming to conclusions about whether this attributes to dictatorship 
- why not involve someone from that state in this discussion to see if he 
c

Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Sikh Holocaust

[SANDIP DUTTA]

"Is that what you would tell your near and dear ones if God forbid they were to 
be robbed or raped by someone" - that shows your immaturity, doesnt it?

Why dont you take your grieviences to Sonia -ji. Maybe she can help. After all, 
her highly secularist party organized the killings - didnt they?

Rgds,
Sandip



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From: umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 8:39:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Sikh Holocaust

Sandip-da,

He He He!! Thats a good one. 

***There have been many such holocausts before and after independence - but 
people have still been pragmatic.

Thats what you should tell people whose wives have been raped and parents have 
been murdered - thats justice - pragmatism trumps justice!! Is that what you 
would tell your near and dear ones if God forbid they were to be robbed or 
raped by someone?

Justice demands that atleast a few of the culprits of Anti-Sikh riots be hanged 
- before they die their natural deaths -- thats what US did to Nazi 
perpetrators of Jewish Holocaust .

Umesh



SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Your student in DC may still want to cling onto it but here in India we want to 
get on with our lives. What is more important now is the eradication of 
poverty, generation of employment, the economy and so forth. 
 
There have been many such holocausts before and after independence - but people 
have still been pragmatic.
 
Also I dont think the world's Sikhs are fools and you could placate them by 
just making a Sikh the PM. If you'd just wanted a Sikh - any Sikh, then there 
are many today in both Congress party and BJP who'd love to be in MS's shoes.
 
Rgds,
sd

 
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Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 2:49:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Sikh Holocaust

The Hindus who got killed got justice - Sikh Police chief KPS Gill got them 
(Sikh militants)  killed. 

What about 1984 Anti-Sikh riot victims - not a single person convicted though 
hundreds of Sikhs died - do you thinks Sikhs all over the world are total fools 
- just make a Sikh Indian PM and justice is supposed to be done to all Sikhs 
who were killed. Even school children (my former student) in sixth grade in DC  
remembers how his mother's uncle was burned by buring a tire around his neck...

Umesh

SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
They care a lot and regret it too. But what about the thousands of Hindus 
killed in Punjab by Bhindarwale's followers? Did their families get any justice 
as well?
 
Lets not open old wounds just for the sake of a discussion. Most Sikhs in india 
have forgiven those ugly episodes and so have hindus.
 
Rgds,
Sandip


- Original Message 
From: umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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around the world 
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 1:43:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Sikh Holocaust

I wonderif anyone in mainstream India cares for the Sikh holocaust . In the 
West it still raises hackles -as I saw at Vancouver, Canada last Sep (2006) and 
a year before on Jul 18th, 2005 outside White House where local Sikhs gathered 
outside protesting treatment of Sikhs while Indian PM ManMohan Singh met US 
Prez inside. I was walking down the road  from a meet with someone at World 
bank nearby.
http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg14732.html

When Indians like to celebrate Bhangra dances abroad and in India they should 
remember the injustices and take action. By pushing dirt under the carpet does 
not make it go away. Harvard supported project Facing History , Facing 
Ourselves says that.

Umesh


Umesh

umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
I was watching the Sikh Holocaust video again and am struck by the fact that 
Bhindrawale resembles Osama Bin Laden so much -same flowing beard and same 
sharp features with a smilar turban ---ofcourse Osama came on the scene much 
after Bhindrawale was dead. I do not know much about Bhindrawale nor regret 
that he is dead but it was wrong of Indira Gandhi to have attacke Golden 
Temple. They cold have laid a siege outside and let him starve to death else 
come out.

Osama seems to have sen these videos beforehand -having lived in the west for 
long and learned the use of mass media to fool Western audiences. Ofcourse, 
unlike Anti-Sikh riots in Delhi etc in 1984 nothing similar has happened 
against muslims  in the West.

Umesh 

umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
Rajen-da,

The dictatorship is too much of a term - it depends where you are in India - 
those in metros definitely are having full de

Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy

[SANDIP DUTTA]

First you said - "to get into the elite, one must learn english". I gave you 
the example of Laloo. There are many others like him.

Next you said - "indian unity is because of english". 

In India, more than 30% are native speakers of Hindi and a total of between 65 
and 75% read, write and understand/speak the language. That includes many 
southern speakers as well.

Compare that to English - less than 1.5% of the population actually have 
proficiency in it. 

English is there not because it is necessary to enforce unity but because it 
helps us get business and do business with most of the outside world. How you 
apply it is upto you. Remember I mentioned "business" and "admin". "Admin" 
doesnt necessarily mean government administration only. 

So how can I aggree with your conclusions??

Rgds,
SD














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From: barua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 

Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 11:31:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy


>now it is a situational demand. With 14+ official languages, English is 
>naturally the language of choice for business and admin. 
 
Thanks for supporting my point. I was not referring to any demand to learn 
English but it is a situation demand in India to learn English today.
In the ancient India, it was also a  situational demand to learn Sanskrit to 
get into the elite. Now it is English. That was my point.
So you should start by saying, 'I agree' instead.
Thanks
Barua
 
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From: SANDIP DUTTA 
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy


I disaggee - Earlier it could have been a problem of compulsion but now it is a 
situational demand. With 14+ official languages, English is naturally the 
language of choice for business and admin. 
 
Also it depends if you really are insistent on defining "elite" in the manner 
you do. 
 
Taking the earlier example of Laloo - he is not exceptionally good with English 
but he is still in the elite class by virtue of being minister. His recent 
successes in reforming IR have now made him unofficial management consultant as 
well. 
 
Hope that makes sense.
 
Rgds,
Sandip
 
 
 
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From: barua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 

Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 9:37:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy


>I myself know an IRS officer now posted in Coorg district of Karnataka. He is 
>from UP and from a very lower middle class background. However >after 15 years 
>in the services, his english is as good as anyone else's and he has good 
>working knowledge of Kannada.
If the guy knows good English, it actually proves my original point that in 
India in ancient when one had to learn Sanskrit to be in the elite class, now 
one has to be good in English to be in the elite class.
Barua
 
 
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From: SANDIP DUTTA 
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy


Rather than coming to conclusions about whether this attributes to dictatorship 
- why not involve someone from that state in this discussion to see if he 
concurs with this view.
 
Ditto for IAS/IPS officers coming from vernacular mediums. Contrary to belief, 
such officers actually have very good (if not excellent) knowledge of English 
and at times local languages wherever they are posted.
 
I myself know an IRS officer now posted in Coorg district of Karnataka. He is 
from UP and from a very lower middle class background. However after 15 years 
in the services, his english is as good as anyone else's and he has good 
working knowledge of Kannada.
 
No wonder we see most of the demands for sovereignity and seperation from 
foreign settled people who have got disconnected with the way this country 
works (and still works).
 
Rgds,
Sandip
 


 
- Original Message 
From: barua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from 
around the world 
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 8:00:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy


>a  nexus  prevents  anyone  from voting against the "party"  or  else face 
>ex-communication a-la erstwhile Pope's rule in Europe in medieval times ->as 
>per a Bengali researcher 
 
This is in fact what is called 'elected dictatorship' going on in West bengal 
in name of democracy.
Rajenda

 
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Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Sikh Holocaust

[SANDIP DUTTA]

Your student in DC may still want to cling onto it but here in India we want to 
get on with our lives. What is more important now is the eradication of 
poverty, generation of employment, the economy and so forth. 

There have been many such holocausts before and after independence - but people 
have still been pragmatic.

Also I dont think the world's Sikhs are fools and you could placate them by 
just making a Sikh the PM. If you'd just wanted a Sikh - any Sikh, then there 
are many today in both Congress party and BJP who'd love to be in MS's shoes.

Rgds,
sd


- Original Message 
From: umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 
; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 2:49:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Sikh Holocaust

The Hindus who got killed got justice - Sikh Police chief KPS Gill got them 
(Sikh militants)  killed. 

What about 1984 Anti-Sikh riot victims - not a single person convicted though 
hundreds of Sikhs died - do you thinks Sikhs all over the world are total fools 
- just make a Sikh Indian PM and justice is supposed to be done to all Sikhs 
who were killed. Even school children (my former student) in sixth grade in DC  
remembers how his mother's uncle was burned by buring a tire around his neck...

Umesh

SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
They care a lot and regret it too. But what about the thousands of Hindus 
killed in Punjab by Bhindarwale's followers? Did their families get any justice 
as well?
 
Lets not open old wounds just for the sake of a discussion. Most Sikhs in india 
have forgiven those ugly episodes and so have hindus.
 
Rgds,
Sandip


- Original Message 
From: umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from 
around the world 
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 1:43:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Sikh Holocaust

I wonderif anyone in mainstream India cares for the Sikh holocaust . In the 
West it still raises hackles -as I saw at Vancouver, Canada last Sep (2006) and 
a year before on Jul 18th, 2005 outside White House where local Sikhs gathered 
outside protesting treatment of Sikhs while Indian PM ManMohan Singh met US 
Prez inside. I was walking down the road  from a meet with someone at World 
bank nearby.
http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg14732.html

When Indians like to celebrate Bhangra dances abroad and in India they should 
remember the injustices and take action. By pushing dirt under the carpet does 
not make it go away. Harvard supported project Facing History , Facing 
Ourselves says that.

Umesh


Umesh

umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
I was watching the Sikh Holocaust video again and am struck by the fact that 
Bhindrawale resembles Osama Bin Laden so much -same flowing beard and same 
sharp features with a smilar turban ---ofcourse Osama came on the scene much 
after Bhindrawale was dead. I do not know much about Bhindrawale nor regret 
that he is dead but it was wrong of Indira Gandhi to have attacke Golden 
Temple. They cold have laid a siege outside and let him starve to death else 
come out.

Osama seems to have sen these videos beforehand -having lived in the west for 
long and learned the use of mass media to fool Western audiences. Ofcourse, 
unlike Anti-Sikh riots in Delhi etc in 1984 nothing similar has happened 
against muslims  in the West.

Umesh 

umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
Rajen-da,

The dictatorship is too much of a term - it depends where you are in India - 
those in metros definitely are having full democracy and as you go into 
interiors where law and literacy are remote it becomes dictatorhip by the 
elected.

See the video of Indira's India of 1984 - Sikh Holocaust 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MasMHq7oUs&NR=1


Umesh

Rajen & Ajanta Barua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
Umesh:
India is best described as 'an elected dictatorship'.
Rajenda
- Original Message - 
From: umesh sharma 
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 11:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy


Rajen-da

Good example of India-Shining rhetoric. 
But just becos there is peace (despite armed militancy in 25% of India's 
districts- NE, Kashmir, Bihar, Central India, LTTE South India etc etc) and not 
many are dying of starvation and voting not by reading election manifestos but 
by recognizing cartoons (election symbols) of political parties . 

Even democratically elected communist govt (an anamoly) of West Bengal is 
allegedly  in power for past 25 years non-stop since  a  nexus  prevents  
anyone  from voting against the "party"  or  else face ex-communication a-la 
erstwhile Pope's rule in Europe i

Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Sikh Holocaust

[SANDIP DUTTA]

They care a lot and regret it too. But what about the thousands of Hindus 
killed in Punjab by Bhindarwale's followers? Did their families get any justice 
as well?

Lets not open old wounds just for the sake of a discussion. Most Sikhs in india 
have forgiven those ugly episodes and so have hindus.

Rgds,
Sandip


- Original Message 
From: umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from 
around the world 
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 1:43:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Sikh Holocaust

I wonderif anyone in mainstream India cares for the Sikh holocaust . In the 
West it still raises hackles -as I saw at Vancouver, Canada last Sep (2006) and 
a year before on Jul 18th, 2005 outside White House where local Sikhs gathered 
outside protesting treatment of Sikhs while Indian PM ManMohan Singh met US 
Prez inside. I was walking down the road  from a meet with someone at World 
bank nearby.
http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg14732.html

When Indians like to celebrate Bhangra dances abroad and in India they should 
remember the injustices and take action. By pushing dirt under the carpet does 
not make it go away. Harvard supported project Facing History , Facing 
Ourselves says that.

Umesh


Umesh

umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I was watching the Sikh Holocaust video again and am struck by the fact that 
Bhindrawale resembles Osama Bin Laden so much -same flowing beard and same 
sharp features with a smilar turban ---ofcourse Osama came on the scene much 
after Bhindrawale was dead. I do not know much about Bhindrawale nor regret 
that he is dead but it was wrong of Indira Gandhi to have attacke Golden 
Temple. They cold have laid a siege outside and let him starve to death else 
come out.

Osama seems to have sen these videos beforehand -having lived in the west for 
long and learned the use of mass media to fool Western audiences. Ofcourse, 
unlike Anti-Sikh riots in Delhi etc in 1984 nothing similar has happened 
against muslims  in the West.

Umesh 

umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Rajen-da,

The dictatorship is too much of a term - it depends where you are in India - 
those in metros definitely are having full democracy and as you go into 
interiors where law and literacy are remote it becomes dictatorhip by the 
elected.

See the video of Indira's India of 1984 - Sikh Holocaust 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MasMHq7oUs&NR=1


Umesh

Rajen & Ajanta Barua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Umesh:
India is best described as 'an elected dictatorship'.
Rajenda
- Original Message - 
From: umesh sharma 
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 11:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy


Rajen-da

Good example of India-Shining rhetoric. 
But just becos there is peace (despite armed militancy in 25% of India's 
districts- NE, Kashmir, Bihar, Central India, LTTE South India etc etc) and not 
many are dying of starvation and voting not by reading election manifestos but 
by recognizing cartoons (election symbols) of political parties . 

Even democratically elected communist govt (an anamoly) of West Bengal is 
allegedly  in power for past 25 years non-stop since  a  nexus  prevents  
anyone  from voting against the "party"  or  else face ex-communication a-la 
erstwhile Pope's rule in Europe in medieval times -as per a Bengali researcher .

But ofcourse noone can deny that despite is shortcomings the India that is 
Bharat is growing  - despite spoofs like Hollywood's "Borat" movie (Bharat ??) 
from Kazakhstan (Rajasthan???)

Umesh


Rajen & Ajanta Barua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
Following may be added from another review about the book:
 
India is the country that was never expected to ever be a country. In the late 
19th century, Sir John Strachey, a senior British official, grandly opined that 
the territory's diverse states simply could not possess any sort of unity, 
physical, political, social or religious. Strachey, clearly, was wrong: India 
today is a unified entity and a rising global power. Even so, it continues to 
defy explanation. India's existence, says Guha, an internationally known 
scholar (Environmentalism: A Global History), has also been an anomaly for 
academic political science, according to whose axioms cultural heterogeneity 
and poverty do not make a nation, still less a democratic one. Yet India 
continues to exist. Guha's aim in this startlingly ambitious political, 
cultural and social survey is to explain why and how. He cheerfully concludes 
that India's continuing existence results from its unique diversity and its 
refusal to be pigeonholed into such conventional
 political models as Anglo-American liberalism, French republicanism, atheistic 
communism or Islamist theocracy. India is proudly sui generis, and with August 
15, 2007, being the 60th 

Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy

[SANDIP DUTTA]

I disaggee - Earlier it could have been a problem of compulsion but now it is a 
situational demand. With 14+ official languages, English is naturally the 
language of choice for business and admin. 

Also it depends if you really are insistent on defining "elite" in the manner 
you do. 

Taking the earlier example of Laloo - he is not exceptionally good with English 
but he is still in the elite class by virtue of being minister. His recent 
successes in reforming IR have now made him unofficial management consultant as 
well. 

Hope that makes sense.

Rgds,
Sandip



- Original Message 
From: barua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 

Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 9:37:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy


>I myself know an IRS officer now posted in Coorg district of Karnataka. He is 
>from UP and from a very lower middle class background. However >after 15 years 
>in the services, his english is as good as anyone else's and he has good 
>working knowledge of Kannada.
If the guy knows good English, it actually proves my original point that in 
India in ancient when one had to learn Sanskrit to be in the elite class, now 
one has to be good in English to be in the elite class.
Barua
 
 
- Original Message - 
From: SANDIP DUTTA 
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy


Rather than coming to conclusions about whether this attributes to dictatorship 
- why not involve someone from that state in this discussion to see if he 
concurs with this view.
 
Ditto for IAS/IPS officers coming from vernacular mediums. Contrary to belief, 
such officers actually have very good (if not excellent) knowledge of English 
and at times local languages wherever they are posted.
 
I myself know an IRS officer now posted in Coorg district of Karnataka. He is 
from UP and from a very lower middle class background. However after 15 years 
in the services, his english is as good as anyone else's and he has good 
working knowledge of Kannada.
 
No wonder we see most of the demands for sovereignity and seperation from 
foreign settled people who have got disconnected with the way this country 
works (and still works).
 
Rgds,
Sandip
 


 
- Original Message 
From: barua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from 
around the world 
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 8:00:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy


>a  nexus  prevents  anyone  from voting against the "party"  or  else face 
>ex-communication a-la erstwhile Pope's rule in Europe in medieval times ->as 
>per a Bengali researcher 
 
This is in fact what is called 'elected dictatorship' going on in West bengal 
in name of democracy.
Rajenda

 
- Original Message - 
From: umesh sharma 
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 11:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy


Rajen-da

Good example of India-Shining rhetoric. 
But just becos there is peace (despite armed militancy in 25% of India's 
districts- NE, Kashmir, Bihar, Central India, LTTE South India etc etc) and not 
many are dying of starvation and voting not by reading election manifestos but 
by recognizing cartoons (election symbols) of political parties . 

Even democratically elected communist govt (an anamoly) of West Bengal is 
allegedly  in power for past 25 years non-stop since  a  nexus  prevents  
anyone  from voting against the "party"  or  else face ex-communication a-la 
erstwhile Pope's rule in Europe in medieval times -as per a Bengali researcher .

But ofcourse noone can deny that despite is shortcomings the India that is 
Bharat is growing  - despite spoofs like Hollywood's "Borat" movie (Bharat ??) 
from Kazakhstan (Rajasthan???)

Umesh


Rajen & Ajanta Barua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
Following may be added from another review about the book:
 
India is the country that was never expected to ever be a country. In the late 
19th century, Sir John Strachey, a senior British official, grandly opined that 
the territory's diverse states simply could not possess any sort of unity, 
physical, political, social or religious. Strachey, clearly, was wrong: India 
today is a unified entity and a rising global power. Even so, it continues to 
defy explanation. India's existence, says Guha, an internationally known 
scholar (Environmentalism: A Global History), has also been an anomaly for 
academic political science, according to whose axioms cultural heterogeneity 
and poverty do not make a n

Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy

[SANDIP DUTTA]

Rather than coming to conclusions about whether this attributes to dictatorship 
- why not involve someone from that state in this discussion to see if he 
concurs with this view.

Ditto for IAS/IPS officers coming from vernacular mediums. Contrary to belief, 
such officers actually have very good (if not excellent) knowledge of English 
and at times local languages wherever they are posted.

I myself know an IRS officer now posted in Coorg district of Karnataka. He is 
from UP and from a very lower middle class background. However after 15 years 
in the services, his english is as good as anyone else's and he has good 
working knowledge of Kannada.

No wonder we see most of the demands for sovereignity and seperation from 
foreign settled people who have got disconnected with the way this country 
works (and still works).

Rgds,
Sandip




- Original Message 
From: barua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from 
around the world 
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 8:00:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy


>a  nexus  prevents  anyone  from voting against the "party"  or  else face 
>ex-communication a-la erstwhile Pope's rule in Europe in medieval times ->as 
>per a Bengali researcher .
 
This is in fact what is called 'elected dictatorship' going on in West bengal 
in name of democracy.
Rajenda

 
- Original Message - 
From: umesh sharma 
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 11:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy


Rajen-da

Good example of India-Shining rhetoric. 
But just becos there is peace (despite armed militancy in 25% of India's 
districts- NE, Kashmir, Bihar, Central India, LTTE South India etc etc) and not 
many are dying of starvation and voting not by reading election manifestos but 
by recognizing cartoons (election symbols) of political parties . 

Even democratically elected communist govt (an anamoly) of West Bengal is 
allegedly  in power for past 25 years non-stop since  a  nexus  prevents  
anyone  from voting against the "party"  or  else face ex-communication a-la 
erstwhile Pope's rule in Europe in medieval times -as per a Bengali researcher .

But ofcourse noone can deny that despite is shortcomings the India that is 
Bharat is growing  - despite spoofs like Hollywood's "Borat" movie (Bharat ??) 
from Kazakhstan (Rajasthan???)

Umesh


Rajen & Ajanta Barua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
Following may be added from another review about the book:
 
India is the country that was never expected to ever be a country. In the late 
19th century, Sir John Strachey, a senior British official, grandly opined that 
the territory's diverse states simply could not possess any sort of unity, 
physical, political, social or religious. Strachey, clearly, was wrong: India 
today is a unified entity and a rising global power. Even so, it continues to 
defy explanation. India's existence, says Guha, an internationally known 
scholar (Environmentalism: A Global History), has also been an anomaly for 
academic political science, according to whose axioms cultural heterogeneity 
and poverty do not make a nation, still less a democratic one. Yet India 
continues to exist. Guha's aim in this startlingly ambitious political, 
cultural and social survey is to explain why and how. He cheerfully concludes 
that India's continuing existence results from its unique diversity and its 
refusal to be pigeonholed into such conventional
 political models as Anglo-American liberalism, French republicanism, atheistic 
communism or Islamist theocracy. India is proudly sui generis, and with August 
15, 2007, being the 60th anniversary of Indian independence, Guha's magisterial 
history of India since that day comes not a moment too soon. 32 pages of b&w 
illus., 8 maps.  
- Original Message - 
From: Rajen & Ajanta Barua 
To: assam@assamnet.org 
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 10:42 PM
Subject: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi


Good review of a grand 900 page book on India recently published:
 
India After Gandhi: The History of the World's Largest Democracy by Ramachandra 
Guha  
 
From The Washington Post's Book World/washingtonpost.com
Reviewed by George Perkovich
A toast to India on its 60th birthday: No country has more heroically pursued 
the promise of democracy. Against the odds of staggering poverty, conflicting 
religious passions, linguistic pluralism, regional separatism, caste injustice 
and natural resource scarcity, Indians have lifted themselves largely by their 
own sandal straps to become a stalwart democracy and emerging global power. 
India has risen with epic drama -- a nonviolent struggle for independence 
followed by mass mayhem and bloodletting, dynastic succession and 
assassination, military victory and defeat, starvation succeeded by green 
revolution, polit

[Assam] Article on Indian investment in Canada

[SANDIP DUTTA]

I thought you all might find this interesting:

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1070919/asp/frontpage/story_8334608.asp

Indian lifeline for Canada towns
- Largest recipient of Ottawa aid turns investor, pumps in billions to buy 
local businesses

Rgds,
Sandip


  

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Re: [Assam] Assamese are the friendliest Indians-Khushwant Singh

[SANDIP DUTTA]

"Why? For me the average Assamese woman is better-looking than the 
average-looking woman anywhere else"

Heh Heh - now we know why he is interested. 

Besides he has written this line many times over for women of every other 
community in India :-)))

Rgds,
Sandip



- Original Message 
From: Manoj Das <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ASSAMNET 
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 9:25:21 PM
Subject: [Assam] Assamese are the friendliest Indians-Khushwant Singh





Saturday, December 23, 2000T H I S  A B O V E  A L L




Assamese are the friendliest Indians
by Khushwant Singh
WE got talking about the friendliest people in our country. We analysed Panjus 
(Punjabis), Bhaiyas (Uttar Pradeshis and Biharis), Bongs (Bengalis), Dakhanis 
(Telengas, Kannadas), Mallus (Malayalis), Madrasis (Tamilians), Mian Bhais 
(Muslims), Makapaons (Christians) and Bawajis (Parsis). We went down the list 
demolishing each group for one defect or the other. Panjus: very forthcoming 
but uncouth and loud-mouthed, who wants to make friends with them ? Bhaiyas: 
non-descript, neither as extrovert as Panjus nor as introspective as Bongs. 
Bongs: think they are number one Indians and very arty; when Bengal sneezes, 
the rest of India catches a cold etc. And clannish. No cuisine culture, only 
moshti doi and roshogulla. Maharashtrians, Dakhanees, Madrasis and Mallus, all 
lumped together as Madrasis, are full of caste prejudices and rarely invite 
people to their homes. Makapaons and Bawajis are half-baked firengis: you don't 
feel relaxed in their company. General
 conclusion: people who prefer their own kind — language-wise or caste-wise — 
don't qualify to compete for the "friendship championship". Nor do people who 
keep their women in purdah or in the kitchen.


EARLIER COLUMNS
The Father Teresa of Punjab
December 16, 2000 
Metros bursting at the seams
December 9, 2000

Going for Ganga darshan
December 2, 2000

To be among celebrities
November 25, 2000

The dawn chorus at Santiniketan
November 18, 2000

A priceless Divali gift
November 11, 2000

Making documentaries is her forte
November 4, 2000

The Indo-Malaysian connection
October 28, 2000

Lessons terrorism taught us
October 21, 2000

Blood-letting in Punjab
October 14, 2000
Translating the Japji Sahib 
October 7, 2000
Indian concept of beauty
September 30, 2000
To forgive and forget
September 23, 2000
Memoirs of Vijaya Lakshmi Pandit
September 9, 2000
Times are out of joint
September 2, 2000
His voice is immortal
August 26, 2000
No end to hostility
August 19,2000
Visit to a once peaceful metropolis
August 12, 2000
The most abominable crime 
August 5, 2000
Unveiling Indian women
July 29, 2000
A spiritually incorrect mystic
July 22, 2000
India without Pilot
July 15, 2000

So who are we left with ? I go over my encounter with my country men and women. 
I have been just about everywhere in Bharat. I could not make up my mind when I 
got a letter from Bobbeeta. I had all but forgotten her but for her odd name 
Bobbeeta. I had met her briefly in Guwahati and Delhi. I went over the names of 
other Assamese I knew: Baruas, Bezbaruas, Hazarikas, Gogois, Bardolois Saikias, 
Phukans, Bor-Thakurs, Raj Khowas, Goswamis, Chaudhrys, Sarmas, Acharyas. It is 
surprising that even though I have not been to Assam more than four or five 
times and for that too three or four days each time, I keep in touch with more 
Assamese than with any other people. Why? For me the average Assamese woman is 
better-looking than the average-looking woman anywhere else. For another they 
are more forthcoming and more hospitable, with no hangups about caste or class. 
My vote for the friendliest of Indians goes to the Assamese.
Back to Bobbeeta. She was nurtured on films and electronic media. As a child, 
she started playing roles in may films till she came to Doordarshan in Guwahati 
as a news reader and also began acting in serials. While she teaches history in 
Pandu College (Guwahati), she is a research fellow in the Department of Film 
studies in Calcutta's Jadavpur University. Her crowning achievement has been 
her being the anchor and co-producer of Geetimalika, a song-based programme, 
which will telecast its 100th episode on Boxing Day — December 26, a record for 
any programme telecast in Assamese. For the centenary of Geetimalika, a bash is 
planned to honour Bobbeeta, her husband and co-producer Chinmoy, 
director-editor Manas Adhikari and script writer Jimoni Chaudhury. Bobbeeta has 
written to me about what they plan doing for the big day but has not invited me 
to join them. This is a very unfriendly act by people I vote as the friendliest 
of Indians.
Poonch is dead
My neighbour Reeta Devi Verma is passionately fond of dogs and cats, not the 
pedigreed variety but strays, born in gutters or abandoned by their masters. 
Her husband Bheem, a prince of Cooch Bihar, is even more dedicated to them. 
Every evening he sets out in his ancient car with packets of food to do the 
rounds of the locality where 

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Will anyone tell me whats suspicious about this header :-?

Guess it looks better from the headers coming from Baarta Bistar.

Rgds,
Sandip


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Re: [Assam] AN APPEAL TO THE PEOPLE OF ASSAM

[SANDIP DUTTA]

:-))

C'da wrote : "So what if I infer something incorrectly and someone corrects me? 
Would that make me look stupid? On the other hand it would make me more 
informed. We will all be better for it. Being exposed as disingenuous however 
is another matter"

Heh Heh - why not get into the art of practicing what you speak ?? You are 
being corrected all the time by all our netters here - but do you learn? The 
answer is no! 

People with closed minds never learn - do they :-)?

Rgds,
SD


- Original Message 
From: Krishnendu Chakraborty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Ram 
Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 3:02:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] AN APPEAL TO THE PEOPLE OF ASSAM


Hmmm..  does that do any good.  We tried it a
number of times (includnig the Ant Grasshopper) but
---  'nwdhown gaa  dhouaali, nakhawn  bhaat khuali,
nigilw ki koro kor' "   (Quote courtesy C'da)


--- Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >  >It is definitely a good example but in other
> sense ---
> >   of how you twist words, put your words in others
> >mouth and avoid answering relevant questions.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> *** If I did that, the antidote would have been to
> point out  HOW I 
> TWISTED it or what I put on a whose mouth, for all
> to see. End of 
> story!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> At 12:59 PM -0700 8/22/07, Krishnendu Chakraborty
> wrote:
> >  > A good example was  your understanding of  the
> >>  feeble fable of  the
> >>  Ant and the Grasshopper  :-).
> >>
> >
> >It is definitely a good example but in other sense
> ---
> >   of how you twist words, put your words in others
> >mouth and avoid answering relevant questions.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--- Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>  I have always maintained I will explain. But I
> want
> >>  to see where the
> >>  questioners are coming from.
> >>  If they get it, it is a feather on their caps.
> If
> >>  not we will explain.
> >>
> >>  A good example was  your understanding of  the
> >>  feeble fable of  the
> >>  Ant and the Grasshopper  :-).
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>  At 10:55 AM -0700 8/22/07, Krishnendu
> Chakraborty
> >>  wrote:
> >>  >  > It is also widely known that people
> sometimes
> >>  >>  play 'no-comprendo' and invoke an inability
> to
> >>  >>  exercise the ability, in order to avoid
> facing
> >>  >>  unpleasant truths they would hate to admit
> or to
> >>  >>  express it when faced with more than one
> >>  >>  possibility but unsure of which is the
> correct
> >>  >>  one. A fear of being seen as simple-minded
> or of
> >>  >>  being seen as disingenuous or dishonest is
> what
> >>  >>  produces the response.
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >That perfectly explains why you avoid answering
> >>  many
> >>  >unpleasant questions :-)
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >c'da ,  since this was copied to me directly,
> could
> >>  >not help jumping in
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >--- Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>  >
> >>  >>  At 9:27 PM -0700 8/20/07, SANDIP DUTTA
> wrote:
> >>  >>  >Dear Sondon Da,
> >>  >>  >
> >>  >>  >I am not in the business of mind reading.
> So I
> >>  >>  asked.
> >>  >>
> >>  >>
> >>  >>
> >>  >>  *** How about ordinary English?
> >>  >>
> >>  >>  It does  NOT take mind-reading, but an
> ability
> >>  to
> >>  >>  draw inferences from what is written, in
> >>  ordinary
> >>  >>  English, that is .
> >>  >>
> >>  >>  Degree of this ability is a measure of a
> >>  person's
> >>  >>  intelligence, which usually improves with
> >>  >>  experiences and exposures gained over time.
> >>  >>
> >>  >>  It is also widely known that people
> sometimes
> >>  >>  play 'no-comprendo' and invoke an i

Re: [Assam] FW: A sermonic deliverance from the pulpit with a myopic knowledge on Assam and the Assa

[SANDIP DUTTA]

Khasis rejoining Assam ??!!

Guess that needs to be told to the Nagas as well - it might stop more border 
attacks - or increase them..

:-))

Rgds,
Sandip


- Original Message 
From: mc mahant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 9:53:15 PM
Subject: [Assam] FW: A sermonic deliverance from the pulpit with a myopic 
knowledge on Assam and the Assa






Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:15:51 +
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: RE: [Assam] A sermonic deliverance from the pulpit with a myopic 
knowledge on Assam and the Assa

Only articles touching a raw nerve can get such vehement reaction. i guess the 
truth always hurts
patricia

On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 mc mahant wrote :
>
>This lady fills up pages of garbage in 2nd rate tabloids.
>No idea of ethnicity in Assam .
>Certainly nothing about what Ulfa is fighting for.
>And who kills in KARBI.
>Khasis will need to rejoin Assam again if they want to come out of medieaval 
>obscurity.
>
>mm
>
>
>
>Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 12:39:34 +0100From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL 
>PROTECTED]: [Assam] A sermonic deliverance from the pulpit with a myopic 
>knowledge on Assam and the Assamese? People from ‘The Scotland of the East’ 
>should know that Scotland in on course to have an Independent Sovereign 
>identity splitting from Great Britain’. O’ Luce!
>Northeast Echoes
>PATRICIA MUKHIM
>http://www.telegraphindia.com/1070820/asp/northeast/story_8208508.asp
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Assam's 'other' victims
>In the build-up to India's 60th year of Independence, Ulfa massacred not less 
>than 29 innocent non-Assamese victims. Knowing the lay of the land better than 
>anyone else, Ulfa chose distant Karbi Anglong for its senseless killings.
>It is no news that Karbi Anglong is one of the most neglected parts of Assam. 
>One reason could be the profile of its ethnic community. The Karbi people do 
>not fall into the unembellished and classic definition of "Assamese", as 
>understood by those who claim to be direct descendants of the Ahom rulers or 
>of the Brahmin class who came over from Kanauj to settle in the Brahmaputra 
>valley.
>Rarely has an event taking place in this remote frontier captured the minds 
>and hearts of parliamentarians as the recent massacre has. Admitting the 
>motion, Lok Sabha Speaker Somnath Chatterjee termed it a "very serious matter".
>Not a single parliamentarian from the Northeast spoke up on behalf of those 
>killed. But this is hardly surprising. Those who understand the Northeast also 
>know that even killings have an ethnic face.
>Protests are loudest when killings affect the majority community. When it 
>happens to minorities, it usually does not evoke any compassion.
>Combat zone
>To an impartial observer, Assam in the last few weeks seemed like a combat 
>zone where the shots were called by Ulfa. They could throw bombs wherever they 
>chose, kill any target they chose and got away with all of these damages. The 
>state was virtually an apologetic onlooker.
>Tarun Gogoi appears confused and ill at ease and does not seem able to get his 
>act together, his standard argument being that there are not enough forces to 
>contain Ulfa's butchering spree.
>Of course, his reactions would have been different if the killings had taken 
>place in one of the Upper Assam districts. Those murdered in Karbi Anglong 
>have no political constituency. Their lives are expendable and like Gogoi 
>himself admits, they are soft targets. But when have militants ever done 
>target practice on hard targets? Most of these hard targets are politicians 
>and Ulfa sympathisers, anyway.
>It took the visit of no less a dignitary than the Union minister of state for 
>home, Sri Prakash Jaiswal, for new strategies to be developed and for the 
>killings to temporarily subside. But many wonder now whether it is the right 
>thing for the chief minister to head the Unified Command. Is he equipped to 
>provide the leadership in a counter-insurgency operation of the scale that is 
>called for in Assam? Is the killing of 29 people in a span of a few days not a 
>human rights violation?
>Tough measures
>Politicians never make good leaders because they cannot take hard decisions. 
>Yet at this juncture, some really tough measures are called for. The 
>compulsion to please all people all the time has taken our country to its 
>nadir. Political equivocation has created ample space for agent provocateurs 
>and anti-national forces to operate in an unrestrained manner. The war against 
>terror must be fought like one. There can be no compromise when it comes to 
>providing security to the common man. Assam is undeniably a large state with 
>some far-flung areas that have been left to languish in the political and 
>economic wilderness. Karbi Anglong is not the only district, which experiences 
>an apology of governance. Let us have the grace to admit that the bulk of 
>resources are cornered by the traditional "Assamese" strongholds, namel

Re: [Assam] AN APPEAL TO THE PEOPLE OF ASSAM

[SANDIP DUTTA]

Dear Sondon Da,

I am not in the business of mind reading. So I asked. 

Rgds,
Sandip

- Original Message 
From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Krishnendu Chakraborty <[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>; Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Ram Sarangapani <[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>
Cc: assam@assamnet.org; Krishnendu Chakraborty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 7:21:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] AN APPEAL TO THE PEOPLE OF ASSAM


*** Why don't you give it a try and figure it out by yourself? As a highly 
trained whatever, you ought to be able to  do so. A high school graduate could.


But if you still can't, I am always here to help the needy. Just let me know.




>Since you went right out of this country with gamosa, et al :-) with the 
>intention of never returning, >could you explain your pastime of continually 
>making digs at India or Indians for all of Assam's ills.




*** Yes, I came along with our friend and one time netter, Digambar Pungta, 
sporting my baapoti-xahwn
gamosa, which, in time  even flew into outer-space, thanks to Mike Finke the  
Markharkhowa jowain of all older Kharkhowas in these shores.


Did you really have to ASK why I rattle desi-cages? I think I give you guys 
enough heartburn already. So , not to overdo it, I will pass on it for now.  
But, but --- if it gives you headaches agonizing over it, do let me know. I am 
a kind-hearted person, always here to help.


>I assume when Ulfa was formed in '79, you were not around but were gone long 
>before that.



*** I can't help you  with the exact timing of the birth of ULFA, but, yes, I 
did leave India in 1970.  That however has nothing to do with my favorite 
pastime in assamnet.


:-)








At 12:01 AM -0700 8/17/07, SANDIP DUTTA wrote:
Dear Sondon Da,

 

Yes Please - We would like to hear why you have been forwarding articles from 
TOI or Indian express/Telegraph commenting about poverty in Bihar or rapes 
inside women's hostels in Delhi. If they dont concern Assam, why forward those 
articles or get heartburn from them?

 

Since you went right out of this country with gamosa, et al :-) with the 
intention of never returning, could you explain your pastime of continually 
making digs at India or Indians for all of Assam's ills.

 

I assume when Ulfa was formed in '79, you were not around but were gone long 
before that.


 

Rgds,

Sandip

 

 




- Original Message 
From: Krishnendu Chakraborty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Ram Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: assam@assamnet.org; Krishnendu Chakraborty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 9:36:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] AN APPEAL TO THE PEOPLE OF ASSAM

>Printing articles
> of  Tavleen Singh
> criticizing Delhi does not do a damn thing for
> Assam.

So, let us know why you publish those Or for that
matter the news items on what Delhi or Mumbai police
is doing?

I don' t care
> what India is
> doing or when Indians are going to the moon or to
> hell in a
> hand-basket.

Then why cry hoarse on Indian Education System ...  
you really do not care  right ??


> Can you or anybody else here explain why there is
> nothing useful or
> meaningful  to show for Rs. 300,000,000 a year for
> 32,000,000 people
> of the region?

A couple of things off the head --- flyovers of
Guwahati,  Software Technology Park in Borjhar (though
there are no takers because of threat to
life/business), Tejpur University, the Golden
quadrilateral road network connecting Assam to rest of
India.
I know Health/Primary education etc remains concern
. but these matters are in State Govt's hand ,
why blame Delhi for these?  There have been umpteen
cases where funds allocated have been returned
unutilized and/or shared by top Assamese officials
with blessing of Dispur where does GOI comes in
picture here ???

You mentioned that GOI allocated Rs. 300,000,000 a
year for Assam ?  If GOA cannot utilize it or misuses
it, HOW GOI is to be blamed?  How other states are
utilizing it?   How will you ensure that the GOA of
Independent Assam will NOT misuse public fund ?  

You realy could not show who are the people who
support Sovereignty (other then you) ?  

You have mentioned couple of times -- Assam is living
life of beggar etc

why do you think Assam is living in dependency,
beggars life etc.?  

If it is because Assam is a part of India, don't you
think that in Independent Assam,   all districts of
Assam will be living in dependency, beggars life
because Guwahati (or some other place) will be capital
of Independent Assam and will "loot"  from these
districts Š.. so we just shift our target from Delhi
to Guwahati?  

Tea and Petroleum,  the two major resources of Assam,
are concentrated in certain districts ... not spread
evenly acr

Re: [Assam] Who is the Sentinel of Freedom?

[SANDIP DUTTA]

Hi Xourov,

Thanks for your email. Your observation about the neutrality of a language is 
very much in coherence with today's needs. For eg. most of us here are equally 
at home with Hindi & English in addition to our mother tongues (Oxomiya, Bodo, 
Bangla etc.)

Its time the others took notice too :-).

Rgds,
Sandip





- Original Message 
From: xourov pathok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Roy, Santanu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
assam@assamnet.org; Dilip/Dil Deka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 1:12:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Who is the Sentinel of Freedom?


--- SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> What you wrote is quite true..but I have heard now
> that in many districts since they have the numbers,
> they are registering as Bengali again.
> 
> So now what?

hi sandip, thanks for your reply.  it is actually the
same old, same old.  and please accept my apologies
for a delayed reply.  

the assamese language did not spread via a hegemony of
the assamese people.  it spread mainly via the market
place.  and without even the "assamese" people
knowing, people were talking in one version or the
other in nagaland (nagamese) and arunachal pradesh
(arunamese).  arunamese is gone, replaced by hindi. 
nagamese is not replaced by hindi yet.  

from anecdotal evidence, a bengali tailor and a bihari
laborer in the streets of guwahati still talk with
each other in assamese.  assamese is neither the
language of the bengali nor the language of the
bihari.  it is a neutral language.  and that is
precisely how the language spread for the last few
hundred years.  the language survives today mainly
because it is still a language of the market place. 
not because of its literary output or anything.  ask
any assamese writer.  he will tell you he is lucky if
he sells a few thousand copies of his novel or poems. 
ask assamese film producers.  hardly anyone went out
to watch assamese movies.  even before the ulfa ban.

and when the language became a language championed by
some who tried to force it into schools and offices,
it lost its neutral tag.  and since then there has
been problems.  without a doubt, the assamese will
never force their language into anyone's living room.

but maybe, maybe, if more assamese poems are written
of a future with room for lovers and romantics---who
knows, the language might reach their bedrooms...

x

> 
> Rgds,
> Sandip
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: xourov pathok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Roy, Santanu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> assam@assamnet.org; Dilip/Dil Deka
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 5:27:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [Assam] Who is the Sentinel of Freedom?
> 
> 
> --- "Roy, Santanu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> > 
> > And then all this talk about Bangladeshi versus
> > Indian migration. If
> > Bongals had not filled up the land, 
> 
> bongals.
> 
> by using the word bongals, i guess you are referring
> to the anti-bengali feelings in assam.  you might
> recall that that word has a history.  in days past,
> before the british came along, bongal was used to
> refer to foreigners. specifically, the turk and
> afghan
> rulers of bengal.  
> 
> then, after the demise of the ahom kingdom, the
> bengali babus, mostly hindus, came along and became
> the symbol of colonialism.  they too were called
> bongals, maybe to anoint them with the same
> abhorence
> of earlier times.  it was not the ahom rulers who
> used
> the word this time though. a different set of
> people---the newly emerging assamese middle class
> aspiring the jobs held by the bengali babus---used
> the
> word.  
> 
> but the bengali babus had come to assam much earlier
> than the muslim peasants.  and skipping much of
> history, we can say that the word bongal never much
> caught on for the muslim peasants.  i believe mainly
> because the assamese middle class did not quite
> aspire
> for the muslim peasants' job. 
> 
> social history is complex.  the muslim peasants
> mentioned assamese as their mother tongue in the
> census.  at least some of them.  and guess what,
> some
> of them have gone ahead formed the asam chor-chapori
> sahitya sabha.  if you have watched "angst at large"
> by shankar barua, he talks to a young assamese (a
> sarma, who i have met in delhi) who calls them
> na-asamiya.  by all indications, some of them have
> indeed taken to assamese.  whereas the assamese send
> their children to english schools today, some of
> these
> muslim peasants send their children to assamese
> schools.
> 
> this is also something i want the people to talk
> about, beyond

Re: [Assam] AN APPEAL TO THE PEOPLE OF ASSAM

[SANDIP DUTTA]

Dear Sondon Da,

Yes Please - We would like to hear why you have been forwarding articles from 
TOI or Indian express/Telegraph commenting about poverty in Bihar or rapes 
inside women's hostels in Delhi. If they dont concern Assam, why forward those 
articles or get heartburn from them?

Since you went right out of this country with gamosa, et al :-) with the 
intention of never returning, could you explain your pastime of continually 
making digs at India or Indians for all of Assam's ills.

I assume when Ulfa was formed in '79, you were not around but were gone long 
before that.

Rgds,
Sandip





- Original Message 
From: Krishnendu Chakraborty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Ram Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: assam@assamnet.org; Krishnendu Chakraborty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 9:36:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] AN APPEAL TO THE PEOPLE OF ASSAM


>Printing articles
> of  Tavleen Singh 
> criticizing Delhi does not do a damn thing for
> Assam.

So, let us know why you publish those Or for that
matter the news items on what Delhi or Mumbai police
is doing?

I don' t care
> what India is 
> doing or when Indians are going to the moon or to
> hell in a 
> hand-basket.

Then why cry hoarse on Indian Education System ...  
you really do not care  right ??


> Can you or anybody else here explain why there is
> nothing useful or 
> meaningful  to show for Rs. 300,000,000 a year for
> 32,000,000 people 
> of the region?

A couple of things off the head --- flyovers of
Guwahati,  Software Technology Park in Borjhar (though
there are no takers because of threat to
life/business), Tejpur University, the Golden
quadrilateral road network connecting Assam to rest of
India.
I know Health/Primary education etc remains concern
. but these matters are in State Govt's hand , 
why blame Delhi for these?  There have been umpteen
cases where funds allocated have been returned
unutilized and/or shared by top Assamese officials
with blessing of Dispur where does GOI comes in
picture here ???

You mentioned that GOI allocated Rs. 300,000,000 a
year for Assam ?  If GOA cannot utilize it or misuses
it, HOW GOI is to be blamed?  How other states are
utilizing it?   How will you ensure that the GOA of
Independent Assam will NOT misuse public fund ?  

You realy could not show who are the people who
support Sovereignty (other then you) ?  

You have mentioned couple of times -- Assam is living
life of beggar etc

why do you think Assam is living in dependency,
beggars life etc.?  

If it is because Assam is a part of India, don’t you
think that in Independent Assam,   all districts of
Assam will be living in dependency, beggars life
because Guwahati (or some other place) will be capital
of Independent Assam and will "loot"  from these
districts ….. so we just shift our target from Delhi
to Guwahati?  

Tea and Petroleum,  the two major resources of Assam, 
are concentrated in certain districts ... not spread
evenly across Assam.  Don't you think these districts
will then start asking for  Independence from Assam? 
And drill it down further ... every town will want to
be a Independent Country.



If you think things will be different, why?  What is
your model?   



How do you envision an independent Assam?   What are
your objectives and how you plan to achieve those ?



I would assume that this will be the most important
point if you start a debate …. How will you ensure
that the people of Assam will have a better life then
what they have today and how will you ensure that
there will be no further disintegration (with 100+
militant groups in NE,  seems like we need to have
100+ countries in NE )?  How will you handle the
illegal immigration issue?

You have been harping on India/Delhi's evils.  How do
we know that we are not moving to a greater evil? 
Given the experience of managing Dispur by our one
time great student leaders, we need some concrete plan
and proof how  you can give us a Xonor Axom ? We also
need to know the credibility of People who are going
to run the (Islamic ?) republic of Assam? 
With all of Assam's population right from bureaucrats
to School Teachers to Journalists opposing Soverignty,
who are the people who will work with you and why ?

In last one decade you have been asking for
Independence citing evils of India but have always
eluded when it came to answering HOW you are going to
give us a better life and how you are going to run the
show.

And with GOUSA going on a spree looting oil rich
countries, are you sure they will not target Assam
soon ?



On a different context,  I just noticed Assam.org
mentions that Assam produces over half of India's
petroleum.  However,  on a GOI site, I found that
Assam & Nagaland Produces around 13% of India's
Petroleum .  Does anyone know what is the correct
figure?



--- Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I am perfectly willing to hear about Indian reforms
> that are real, 
> achievable , 

Re: [Assam] Need of Uniform in Assam Assembly ---- 'Black trouser, white shirt'

[SANDIP DUTTA]

How about lungi and kurta as well - especially for bearded topiwala reps from 
Dhubri, Hojai, Goalpara, Kachar etc :-))

Rgds,
Sandip



- Original Message 
From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 5:43:39 PM
Subject: [Assam] Need of Uniform in Assam Assembly  'Black trouser, white 
shirt'


I think the historically appropriate and authentically Assamese dress code for 
MLAs , MPs from Assam , and  for govt. officials during business hours ought to 
be:


** Gamosaar lengti ( A gamosa loincloth, worn above the knees)
** Peasant shirt ( collarless shirt, without buttons)
** Jaapi for headwear, if weather decrees.
** Bare feet.


All ought to be made to commute in 'gorur gari' ( bullock carts). The flashing 
VVIP lights could be allowed over the oxen's tails.


Z-Security details shall wear no shirt, and the loincloth shall be stained in 
black, and the sidearms shall consist of mesi-daa ( bent long handled machete), 
 jaathi ( spear)  and dhenu-kaar (bow and arrow).


Anyone ( of the male species) looking like B'deshis must have to prove their 
non-B'deshi status by
displaying accepted physical evidence to law-enforcement officials


The least we can do.




















-- Forwarded message --
From: Satyen Brahma <>
Date: Aug 11, 2007 12:39 AM
Subject: Need of Uniform in Assam Assembly   'Black trouser,  white shirt'
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 
 Bangladeshi 'Clowns' in Assam Assembly : Need of Uniform 
 
 
 The year 2007 has seen two of the greatest audacious acts of two 
Muslim organisations --- the All Assam 'Minority' Students Union (AAMSU) and 
the political party AUDF.  The AAMSU has shamelessly declared of driving away 
Assamese natives from Dhubri and Goalpara.
 Next, the members of the AUDF dressed up themselves like Bangladeshis in 
making 'Clowns' of themselves in the Assam Assembly on Aug 7. Its high time 
such nonsense in the form of lungis and topics be checked in the Secretariat. A 
dress code needs to be introduced where the members of the Assembly would be 
dressed smartly in black trousers and white shirts.
 
  

  Satyen Brahma,

   Lokhora,

 Guwahati


  

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Re: [Assam] AAMSA bans entry of Samujjal in Barak Valley

[SANDIP DUTTA]

Let the modrasa prezident shelter his fellow bangladeshis in his own compound 
:-)

Rgds,
Sandip



- Original Message 
From: Pradip Kumar Datta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: assam@assamnet.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]; nayan das <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 3, 2007 6:55:31 AM
Subject: [Assam] AAMSA bans entry of Samujjal in Barak Valley

AAMSA is nothing but a part of Pakistan's ISI and these people are getting 
active support from CM Tarun Gogoi.
pradip


AAMSA bans entry of Samujjal in Barak Valley
“Anyone found hobnobbing with the AASU will not be spared.” The AAMSA knows how 
to deal with those who ignore its diktat, Saleh Ahmed Mazumdar cautioned.
From our Correspondent
SILCHAR, Aug 2: After the All Assam Minorities Students’ Union (AAMSU), it is 
now the turn of the All Asom Madrassa Students’ Association (AAMSA) to target 
North East Students’ Organization (NESO) president and AASU advisor Samujjal 
Bhattacharyya. The AAMSA has imposed ban on the entry of Samujjal Bhattacharyya 
in Barak Valley to attend the AASU’s Hailakandi unit convention slated for 
August 9. AAMSA president Saleh Ahmed Mazumdar told The Sentinel over telephone 
from Hailakandi: “This decision on ban by our association has been taken in 
coordination with other students’ bodies of the valley.” He warned that “any 
attempt to defy the ban will be fraught with dire consequences”. Elaborating 
further, he said the AASU leader “is out to disturb peace and tranquillity in 
Asom by his provocative statements on the issue of Bangladeshi nationals”. It 
is unfortunate that Bhattacharyya has branded all people deported from 
Arunachal Pradesh and
 Nagaland as Bangladeshis, he pointed out.
The AAMSA termed the proposed visit of Samujjal Bhattacharyya in the Barak 
Valley as a well-designed plot to spread the venom of hatred on the basis of 
language among different communities and thus cause communal riot. Mazumdar 
alleged that besides being involved in creating communal divide, the AASU 
leader “has been playing second fiddle to antisocial activities and extortions 
in Asom, exploiting the name of his organization”.
The AAMSA president said Bhattacharyya has conveniently forgotten to fight for 
the cause of students and their problems for their redressal. He accused the 
NESO president of being obsessed with ‘Bengali kheda’ instead of addressing the 
issues faced by the students.
Continuing his vitriolic tirade, Mazumdar dubbed the AASU as “a brigade of a 
particular linguistic community with vested political interests”. He further 
hit out at the AASU as being ‘anti-Bengali’.
Mazumdar asked the youths and students of Barak Valley to disassociate 
themselves from the AASU. He said, “Anyone found hobnobbing with the AASU will 
not be spared.” The AAMSA knows how to deal with those who ignore its diktat, 
he cautioned.
Badrul Alam Laskar, member of the central committee of the AASU, on the other 
hand, said that Samujjal Bhattacharyya would visit Barak Valley and attend the 
third annual conference of the Hailakandi unit of AASU on August 9 as 
scheduled. He threw a challenge to the AAMSA, and said, “No force on earth can 
stop Samujjal Bhattacharyya from coming to this valley.”




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Re: [Assam] Who is the Sentinel of Freedom?

[SANDIP DUTTA]

What you wrote is quite true..but I have heard now that in many districts since 
they have the numbers, they are registering as Bengali again.

So now what?

Rgds,
Sandip


- Original Message 
From: xourov pathok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Roy, Santanu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; assam@assamnet.org; Dilip/Dil Deka 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 5:27:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Who is the Sentinel of Freedom?


--- "Roy, Santanu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> 
> And then all this talk about Bangladeshi versus
> Indian migration. If
> Bongals had not filled up the land, 

bongals.

by using the word bongals, i guess you are referring
to the anti-bengali feelings in assam.  you might
recall that that word has a history.  in days past,
before the british came along, bongal was used to
refer to foreigners. specifically, the turk and afghan
rulers of bengal.  

then, after the demise of the ahom kingdom, the
bengali babus, mostly hindus, came along and became
the symbol of colonialism.  they too were called
bongals, maybe to anoint them with the same abhorence
of earlier times.  it was not the ahom rulers who used
the word this time though. a different set of
people---the newly emerging assamese middle class
aspiring the jobs held by the bengali babus---used the
word.  

but the bengali babus had come to assam much earlier
than the muslim peasants.  and skipping much of
history, we can say that the word bongal never much
caught on for the muslim peasants.  i believe mainly
because the assamese middle class did not quite aspire
for the muslim peasants' job. 

social history is complex.  the muslim peasants
mentioned assamese as their mother tongue in the
census.  at least some of them.  and guess what, some
of them have gone ahead formed the asam chor-chapori
sahitya sabha.  if you have watched "angst at large"
by shankar barua, he talks to a young assamese (a
sarma, who i have met in delhi) who calls them
na-asamiya.  by all indications, some of them have
indeed taken to assamese.  whereas the assamese send
their children to english schools today, some of these
muslim peasants send their children to assamese
schools.

this is also something i want the people to talk
about, beyond the usual rhetoric.

some more later :-)

cheers,
x


> Counterfactual history is always dangerous. But
> think about it for a
> moment. If walls of fire were erected to prevent
> people from coming to
> Assam from East Pakistan and Bangladesh in 1947, the
> Indian constitution
> would not have defended the state from potential
> migration that the
> economic mechanism would have engineered instead
> from mainland India.
> The pace would be different. The fact that the poor
> arid regions of
> central and eastern India do not have the skills to
> exploit wet areas
> would have been a factor. In the long run, however,
> the socio-economic
> picture would probably not be very different. The
> faces would have
> looked different. Less of lungis, less Bengali, more
> Hindi, more Hindu
> possibly.   



  



> 
> Then, what remains of the 1979 agitation? Perhaps,
> an awareness of the
> reality that just won't go away. A gnawing feeling
> in the indigenous
> soul that something has changed, something has been
> lost - realized in
> hard facts. For the urban dwellers, the veils have
> been lifted. And as
> the last thirt years have taught, the change is
> irretrievable. The
> politics of camouflage has been replaced by the
> politics of ethnic
> polarization. The middle class has learnt that
> language. Even the
> oxomiya bhdralok has.  
> 
> Santanu. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of xourov pathok
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 10:17 AM
> To: assam@assamnet.org; Dilip/Dil Deka
> Subject: [Assam] Who is the Sentinel of Freedom?
> 
> > I can see you are trying to steer the discussion 
> > to the same issues that you are so fond of and 
> > have discussed here so many times - that India has
> > totally failed and Assam will be better off by
> > opting out of India.
> 
> dilip-da, that is c-da, not me.  could you show me
> where i have argued assam is better off opting out
> of
> india?  the possibility of that happening is too
> remote, imho, and there is not point in speculating
> on
> it.  it is not going to happen.  period.
> 
> i am trying to keep to the issue of immigration, and
> not going on a tangent on freedom.  independence.
> principles.  or thought experiments.  
> 
> i am trying to focus on the failure of the assam
> agitation and what it means for assam.  also, i am
> trying to focus on the mechanism how immigration is
> happening.  what sustains it.  etc.
> 
> >  On your email below - All of your allegations are
> >  valid, not always but in many instances. India is
> >  still experimenting with democracy 
>[snipped]
> 
> i am not interested in the discussion on indian
> democracy in the present context.  i am strongly
> interested in

Re: [Assam] Flushing out in election style

[SANDIP DUTTA]

I once met a cabbie in Kolkata who said he worked for CPM as a part time cadre 
but on voting day he would vote for TC (Mamata).

So bus rides and sops are not enough to cloud individual judgement - even for 
semi literates like the cab driver.

Rgds,
Sandip



- Original Message 
From: Dilip/Dil Deka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: Satyen Brahma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Assam.org Webmaster 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:50:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Flushing out in election style


It is a pity that you treat the Indian voters with such disdain. The manner in 
which Indian voters have voted out incumbents and brought in new governments 
several times, with the hope that things will change - clearly shows money does 
not always buy votes in India.
 
As I remember, ballot papers in India do not carry voter identification and 
polling booths provide privacy. So, even after getting a bus ride from a given 
candidate, what is there to prevent the voter from voting for any candidate he 
wants to, once he is inside the booth? I realize there is group or block voting 
but that is another issue, not because they ride in the same bus.
 
Dilip

Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


>being yolked together in jam-packed buses and taken to election booths for 
>casting their votes by >various political parties of democratic India.






*** For those who have missed it, or at least pretend that they missed it, it 
is not just B'Deshis that are herded to voting booths in democratic India. That 
is the main method , all over India, even for the authentic citizens.  And 
those who have the most resources to treat the revelers and get to the voting 
booths, win.








At 2:08 PM +0530 7/24/07, Assam.org Webmaster wrote:
On 7/23/07, Satyen Brahma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 
  Flushing  out  Bangladeshis:  in 'Election Style'
 
 
 During elections, we find illegal Bangladeshi migrants being yolked 
together in jam-packed buses and taken to election booths for casting their 
votes by various political parties of democratic India. There are certain 
dalals (brokers) who carry out the process on being paid by the contesting 
candidates. There is no reason why such illegal migrants can't be thrown out of 
Assam by adopting such steps. I urge the Indian Army to launch such an 
operation to weed out Bangladeshis from Assam.
 

  Satyen Brahma,

   Lokhora,

  Guwahati
 

 



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Re: [Assam] mainland vs northeast in delhi

[SANDIP DUTTA]

That could be your objective - the master of spin as you are :-)

Whether Kohima is foreign to Dilli or not is not the objective of our 
discussions. Just as you expect Biharis and Marwaris to assimilate more into 
Oxomiya culture, the same holds true for us who migrate to other states. 

"Be aware of local sensibilities" is a phrase that should apply to anybody, not 
just Bihari labourers working 11 hrs a day in some brick kiln or pulling 
rickshaws somewhere near Phency Bozar. As far as Dilli is concerned, even local 
women are unsafe there - just read the newspapers. Therefore the need to 
exercise caution is even more paramount. 

Again since you are not affected by any of this, you fail to see the specific 
issue at hand now.
Rgds,
Sandip


- Original Message 
From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; uttam 
borthakur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Malabika Brahma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Priyankoo 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 6:08:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] mainland vs northeast in delhi


At 6:44 AM -0700 7/14/07, SANDIP DUTTA wrote:
These kind of discussions are not going to help one single NE person who may or 
may not face the kind of discrimination we talk about.





*** We are missing the point. Prevention of tyranny of the majority is not the 
aim here. That is the responsibility of the 'great Indian democracy' . But ours 
is to point out its dysfunction and to educate our people about what NOT to 
expect from it.
 




>Assam.org cannot change the way Haryanvis think about NE, atleast for the time 
>being.
 This is a practical situation on the ground. As we cannot change the fact that 
Haryanvis dominate the Delhi police and have little or no knowledge about NE,
we have to be a bit more judicious for the time being instead of thinking like 
we were in the middle of Kohima.





*** Why should Kohima be foreign to Dilli, if Dilli claims Kohima to be its 
integral part?  Is this not an utterly untenable proposition?






BTW, Isnt the Ulfa targetting Hindi speakers for similar racist reasons - and 
blowing them with bombs?





*** ULFA and its actions  are RESULTs of Indian policies and attitudes that 
remain unchangeable as you point out yourself. They are NOT its causes.



















 
Rgds,
Sandip


Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



I don't see anything wrong in discussing the issue. In fact it should be 
discussed.


But I agree with most of the points made here. Very well said!




>. If it is true, then a Gujarati considers a Bihari mainstream and a Bihari 
>considers a Tamil mainstream; >but they all consider us as not of the 
>mainstream.




*** And what that means is that we are different. It is a fact. We ought to be 
secure about it, and not seek to be like them :-).




>If this basis is correct, why should we beg to be included in that mainstream? 
>In that case, we are distinct from them as a class, because, we have a 
>different/ vibrant/ rich identity, if not politically, then definitely 
>culturally. And we are, and should be, proud of that.

 


*** Exactly!




>The only thing that remains is 'discrimnation' by Delhi authorities towards 
>our boys and girls studying there. When the entire country pride itself in 
>baring itself to the western influence, why our guys should be singled out for 
>special treatment on the plea that certain rape or other untoward things 
>happened to a few of them. Such things happen to lots of Delhi students, 
>western or domestic tourists.




*** There is a major MYTH here, however. The so-called 'westernization' of 
Indians cannot be further from the truth. Even a very large percentage of the 
so-called NRIs living in the west  are NOT  really westernized and live 
sheltered lives, divorced from the life of the communities where they do, 
hopelessly attempting to hold on to what they consider "Indian"--which, 
incidentally, varies widely from one group to the other, while each ethnic 
group remain largely divorced from others from the same 'India' they came from 
.   The parochialism is brutal.  Perhaps worse than what it might be in some 
more pluralistic of Indian metropolitan environments.


Westernization in India is, at best, a mindless copy of the most superficial of 
traits of what is considered 'western', usually as created by Bollywood or as 
registered from fleeting images on the internet today.




>The only thing that remains is 'discrimnation' by Delhi authorities towards 
>our boys and girls studying >there.




*** It really is a manifestation of the attitude that pervades the general 
Indian outlook: That numbers rule. My way or the highway.  While it argued that 
it is an universal human trait, the difference lies in 

Re: [Assam] mainland vs northeast in delhi

[SANDIP DUTTA]

hout having to learn Assamese like their forefathers did. Now a days, even 
many Assamese do without their language and some of them feel proud about that! 
The only
 thing that remains is 'discrimnation' by Delhi authorities towards our boys 
and girls studying there. When the entire country pride itself in baring itself 
to the western influence, why our guys should be singled out for special 
treatment on the plea that certain rape or other untoward things happened to a 
few of them. Such things happen to lots of Delhi students, western or domestic 
tourists. The entire question thus boils down to one point: whether Delhi 
authorities should presecribe dress code or should gear themselves up to 
provide safeguard to the people---dressed, undressed or scantily dressed, 
without discrimination? I believe, we should tell them to mind their 
business and not waste our own time and energy on this issue.  

Malabika Brahma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  What do you think is a better choice :

1.  Ask the NE people to be more "mainstream like" in their food or dress 
habits. May be even suggest they undergo  plastic surgery to look more 
"mainstream" like .

2. Educate the "mainstream" Indians that India is a diverse country and not all 
look like Harayanvi and "honorable practises" like dowry and female infanticide.


Looks like Delhi  police will choose option 1.


Priyankoo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  and why  people from the NE region MUST assimilate to the mainstream culture? 
In case of Assam haven't we seen more than 90% of the non-Assamese population 
never trying to "assimilate" with the local culture?

If there is a failure on part of the NE population in "assimilating" to the 
mainstream culture, may be the reason is the same as why the non- Assamese 
population in Assam never "assimilated" to the local culture/s.

best
Priyankoo

Priyankoo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  "Assimilation" is not the aim of the booklet. It just forces some dos and 
don'ts to people from a particular region.

In any case, a booklet is never helpful for any kind of "assimilation".

best
Priyankoo

SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  There is no problem with "assimilation" for students or citizens from Assam. 
This advisory should be better worded and directed at our bros from Nagaland, 
Mizoram and Manipur who stay apart not just in Delhi but in other parts of 
India too. Rgds,  Sandip
  - Original Message 
From: Malabika Brahma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: xourov pathok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 7:33:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] mainland vs northeast in delhi
  I wonder if similar "circular" was issued to Indians in the US ( regarding 
the spices we use), how would the Indians react ?  

xourov pathok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  having been in delhi for sometime as a student, i see
it is getting worse.

x

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1070712/asp/frontpage/story_8048182.asp

Right intentions, wrong message
- Delhi police accused of dividing India into
‘mainland’ & ‘Northeast’
NISHIT DHOLABHAI

New Delhi, July 11: Delhi police’s advisory to youths
from the Northeast studying in the capital is being
seen by most as segregating the region from the
so-called mainland.

The minister for development of the northeastern
region (DoNER), Mani Shankar Aiyar, had only recently
discouraged the use of this syntax. “There is no
mainland, you are the mainland,” he had told a
reporter in Shillong.

Aiyar was unavailable for comment on the booklet
released by Delhi police, but those who responded
seemed to cringe at the thought of someone advising
students from the region to change their food habits,
customs and manner of dressing to assimilate into the
“mainstream”.

Dipankar Gupta, professor of sociology at Jawaharlal
Nehru University, said the police’s advice not to
create a “ruckus in the neighbourhood” by cooking
“smelly dishes” and dress decently was gratuitous, to  say the least.

“The police come up with these advisories, but there
is no implementation. There should be a departmental
memo of some sort that if a person from the Northeast
is harmed, punishment will be stringent,” Gupta said.

Moses Kharbithi, who is doing his MPhil at JNU, said
the advisory was tantamount to undermining the ability
of Northeast students in New Delhi to assimilate. “I
wonder if they have given such booklets to students
from the South,” he said.

Kharbithi said the fact that the booklet was
well-intentioned could not mask the sense of
discrimination.

Asom Gana Parishad MP Arun Kumar Sarma and his
Congress colleague Kirip Chaliha said there was no
denying the need to spruce up security for students
from the region in view of some incidents in the
recent past. But commenting on food habits and
clothing was unfair, t

Re: [Assam] mainland vs northeast in delhi

[SANDIP DUTTA]

There is no such thing called "MUST". It is upto the individual. Whether you 
assimilate or not, the consequences will be for you to bear. If I insist on 
putting tilak every day on my entire forehead while walking through Times 
square while going to work and be stared at, I can only blame myself.

Rgds,
Sandip


- Original Message 
From: Priyankoo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 10:25:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] mainland vs northeast in delhi

and why  people from the NE region MUST assimilate to the mainstream culture? 
In case of Assam haven't we seen more than 90% of the non-Assamese population 
never trying to "assimilate" with the local culture?

If there is a failure on part of the NE population in "assimilating" to the 
mainstream culture, may be the reason is the same as why the non- Assamese 
population in Assam never "assimilated" to the local culture/s.

best
Priyankoo

Priyankoo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
"Assimilation" is not the aim of the booklet. It just forces some dos and 
don'ts to people from a particular region. 

In any case, a booklet is never helpful for any kind of "assimilation".

best
Priyankoo

SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
There is no problem with "assimilation" for students or citizens from Assam. 
This advisory should be better worded and directed at our bros from Nagaland, 
Mizoram and Manipur who stay apart not just in Delhi but in other parts of 
India too.
 
Rgds,
Sandip


- Original Message 
From: Malabika Brahma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: xourov pathok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 7:33:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] mainland vs northeast in delhi


I wonder if similar "circular" was issued to Indians in the US ( regarding the 
spices we use), how would the Indians react ?


xourov pathok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
having been in delhi for sometime as a student, i see
it is getting worse.

x

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1070712/asp/frontpage/story_8048182.asp

Right intentions, wrong message
- Delhi police accused of dividing India into
‘mainland’ & ‘Northeast’
NISHIT DHOLABHAI

New Delhi, July 11: Delhi police’s advisory to youths
from the Northeast studying in the capital is being
seen by most as segregating the region from the
so-called mainland.

The minister for development of the northeastern
region (DoNER), Mani Shankar Aiyar, had only recently
discouraged the use of this syntax. “There is no
mainland, you are the mainland,” he had told a
reporter in Shillong.

Aiyar was unavailable for comment on the booklet
released by Delhi police, but those who responded
seemed to cringe at the thought of someone advising
students from the region to change their food habits,
customs and manner of dressing to assimilate into the
“mainstream”.

Dipankar Gupta, professor of sociology at Jawaharlal
Nehru University, said the police’s advice not to
create a “ruckus in the neighbourhood” by cooking
“smelly dishes” and dress decently was gratuitous, to
say the least.

“The police come up with these advisories, but there
is no implementation. There should be a departmental
memo of some sort that if a person from the Northeast
is harmed, punishment will be stringent,” Gupta said.

Moses Kharbithi, who is doing his MPhil at JNU, said
the advisory was tantamount to undermining the ability
of Northeast students in New Delhi to assimilate. “I
wonder if they have given such booklets to students
from the South,” he said.

Kharbithi said the fact that the booklet was
well-intentioned could not mask the sense of
discrimination.

Asom Gana Parishad MP Arun Kumar Sarma and his
Congress colleague Kirip Chaliha said there was no
denying the need to spruce up security for students
from the region in view of some incidents in the
recent past. But commenting on food habits and
clothing was unfair, the duo said.

“How can one tell somebody what to eat and how to
dress?” Sarma asked.

Chaliha said he would take up the issue with the authorities.




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Re: [Assam] mainland vs northeast in delhi

[SANDIP DUTTA]

There is no problem with "assimilation" for students or citizens from Assam. 
This advisory should be better worded and directed at our bros from Nagaland, 
Mizoram and Manipur who stay apart not just in Delhi but in other parts of 
India too.

Rgds,
Sandip


- Original Message 
From: Malabika Brahma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: xourov pathok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 7:33:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] mainland vs northeast in delhi


I wonder if similar "circular" was issued to Indians in the US ( regarding the 
spices we use), how would the Indians react ?


xourov pathok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
having been in delhi for sometime as a student, i see
it is getting worse.

x

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1070712/asp/frontpage/story_8048182.asp

Right intentions, wrong message
- Delhi police accused of dividing India into
‘mainland’ & ‘Northeast’
NISHIT DHOLABHAI

New Delhi, July 11: Delhi police’s advisory to youths
from the Northeast studying in the capital is being
seen by most as segregating the region from the
so-called mainland.

The minister for development of the northeastern
region (DoNER), Mani Shankar Aiyar, had only recently
discouraged the use of this syntax. “There is no
mainland, you are the mainland,” he had told a
reporter in Shillong.

Aiyar was unavailable for comment on the booklet
released by Delhi police, but those who responded
seemed to cringe at the thought of someone advising
students from the region to change their food habits,
customs and manner of dressing to assimilate into the
“mainstream”.

Dipankar Gupta, professor of sociology at Jawaharlal
Nehru University, said the police’s advice not to
create a “ruckus in the neighbourhood” by cooking
“smelly dishes” and dress decently was gratuitous, to
say the least.

“The police come up with these advisories, but there
is no implementation. There should be a departmental
memo of some sort that if a person from the Northeast
is harmed, punishment will be stringent,” Gupta said.

Moses Kharbithi, who is doing his MPhil at JNU, said
the advisory was tantamount to undermining the ability
of Northeast students in New Delhi to assimilate. “I
wonder if they have given such booklets to students
from the South,” he said.

Kharbithi said the fact that the booklet was
well-intentioned could not mask the sense of
discrimination.

Asom Gana Parishad MP Arun Kumar Sarma and his
Congress colleague Kirip Chaliha said there was no
denying the need to spruce up security for students
from the region in view of some incidents in the
recent past. But commenting on food habits and
clothing was unfair, the duo said.

“How can one tell somebody what to eat and how to
dress?” Sarma asked.

Chaliha said he would take up the issue with the authorities.




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Re: [Assam] Plebiscite

[SANDIP DUTTA]

C'da,

Heard that proverb before.

Bookish theories arent doing you any good either. You are good at sermonising 
but thats it. You bring up impossible demands in the knowledge that since they 
cannot be met, the statemate can go on and a few of our pals settled in Dhaka 
and elsewhere can live their lives merrily.

Rgds,
Sandip


- Original Message 
From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:59:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Plebiscite


O' paaihont, xogunor xawt bura goru nomore, buisa?

( Dear fellars, you know, even old and decrepit 
cattle don't just keel over and die at the wishes 
of vultures ?)

  Ancient Assamese Proverb


Why don't go buy a Chinese made thinking cap, and 
see if it would help? Surely your 'education' is 
not doing you any good so far on these matters.










At 2:58 AM -0700 6/30/07, vox populi wrote:
>Thats a good idea. Forward the names to the Director,
>Intelligence Bureau, Sardar Patel Marg,  Chanakyapuri,
>New Delhi 110021; for organising a reception party,
>when they visit India next time.
>
>-vp
>
>--- SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>  There have been some news reports lately of LTTE
>>  sympathisers being hounded out in different parts of
>>  the world. God help those Ulfa supporters in this
>>  forum if they were ever taken and extradited and
>>  then tried under the desi laws.
>>
>>  Dawood Ibrahim once thought no one could touch him.
>>  Now even Dubai is not safe for him.
>>
>>  Rgds,
>>  Sandip
>>
>>
>>  - Original Message 
>>  From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>  To: chittaranjan pathak
>>  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; assam@assamnet.org
>>  Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 11:34:22 PM
>>  Subject: [Assam] Plebiscite
>>
>>
>>  I missed out addressing another important point
>>  here.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  I find it quite amazing that otherwise bright
>>  individuals would wave the flag of democratic
>>  values all over, only to run for the tall-grass to
>>  hide from the idea of  a plebiscite to prove  what
>>  they assert : That there is no support for
>>  sovereignty among the people of Assam.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Are they credible?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  You tell us.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  At 9:22 PM -0700 6/28/07, chittaranjan pathak wrote:
>>  I remember seeing a cartoon in Prantik, may be some
>>  twenty five years back (during Assam agitation) on
>>  Kaziranga. It was something like this. There was a
>>  barricaded area and a sign board saying “Kaziranga
>>  National Park for protecting last of the Assamese
>>  people”. In side the barricade there were no rhinos
>>  but there was an Assamese family-the gamusa wearing
>>  kaami haar uluwa male member was doing some baah
>>  bettor kaam. And the whole barricaded area was
>>  surrounded by numerous people wearing lungi and
>>  sporting beard looking curiously at the exhibits.
>>
>>
>>  Mahanta da something on what you said
>>  India not entertaining the idea of plebiscite-I
>>  think it is not the result of plebiscite, Mahanta
>>  da, but the PREMISE. Even a child can understand it.
>>  Tell me if there a historical basis for asking for a
>>  plebiscite when Assamese whole heartedly supported
>>  becoming part of India in 1947. Another option was
>>  Pakistan or an independent country like Bhutan. But
>>  did any of the Assamese leaders mention an
>>  independent Assam at that time? Was there a murmur
>>  of protest like that in Hyderabad or Junagarh or
>>  Kashmir due to merger with India? Historically I
>>  think states like Goa, Sikkim or princely states of
>>  Manipur or Tripura or Cooch Behar district can lay
>>  claim to a plebiscite. But not Assam, as it was part
>>  of British India for more than 100 years and chose
>>  to become part of independent India just like
>>  Bengal, Bihar, Orissa. If you would still like to
>>  find a historical perspective (harping on this
>>  fallacy that Assam was never part of India), should
>>  it be ULFA asking for a plebiscite
>>   on this 78000 sq of land mass or should it be the
>>  descendants of Ahum roja for those few upper Assam
>>  districts, Jamidars of Bijni, Gauripur for undivided
>>

Re: [Assam] Plebiscite

[SANDIP DUTTA]

There have been some news reports lately of LTTE sympathisers being hounded out 
in different parts of the world. God help those Ulfa supporters in this forum 
if they were ever taken and extradited and then tried under the desi laws.

Dawood Ibrahim once thought no one could touch him. Now even Dubai is not safe 
for him. 

Rgds,
Sandip


- Original Message 
From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: chittaranjan pathak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 11:34:22 PM
Subject: [Assam] Plebiscite


I missed out addressing another important point here.




I find it quite amazing that otherwise bright individuals would wave the flag 
of democratic  values all over, only to run for the tall-grass to hide from the 
idea of  a plebiscite to prove  what they assert : That there is no support for 
sovereignty among the people of Assam.




Are they credible?




You tell us.

























At 9:22 PM -0700 6/28/07, chittaranjan pathak wrote:
I remember seeing a cartoon in Prantik, may be some twenty five years back 
(during Assam agitation) on Kaziranga. It was something like this. There was a 
barricaded area and a sign board saying “Kaziranga National Park for protecting 
last of the Assamese people”. In side the barricade there were no rhinos but 
there was an Assamese family-the gamusa wearing kaami haar uluwa male member 
was doing some baah bettor kaam. And the whole barricaded area was surrounded 
by numerous people wearing lungi and sporting beard looking curiously at the 
exhibits.
 
 
Mahanta da something on what you said
India not entertaining the idea of plebiscite-I think it is not the result of 
plebiscite, Mahanta da, but the PREMISE. Even a child can understand it. Tell 
me if there a historical basis for asking for a plebiscite when Assamese whole 
heartedly supported becoming part of India in 1947. Another option was Pakistan 
or an independent country like Bhutan. But did any of the Assamese leaders 
mention an independent Assam at that time? Was there a murmur of protest like 
that in Hyderabad or Junagarh or Kashmir due to merger with India? Historically 
I think states like Goa, Sikkim or princely states of Manipur or Tripura or 
Cooch Behar district can lay claim to a plebiscite. But not Assam, as it was 
part of British India for more than 100 years and chose to become part of 
independent India just like Bengal, Bihar, Orissa. If you would still like to 
find a historical perspective (harping on this fallacy that Assam was never 
part of India), should it be ULFA asking for a plebiscite
 on this 78000 sq of land mass or should it be the  descendants of Ahum roja 
for those few upper Assam districts, Jamidars of Bijni, Gauripur for undivided 
Goalpara, descendents of Kachari king for NC hills, descendents of Chutiya 
kings ousted by Ahums, present and still living Tiwa roja for western Naogaon 
and parts of Karbi Anglong?
Believe me –the mode Assam is in today-that of reinventing its diverse 
ethnicity and past-all these descendents will appear from nowhere. I am not a 
student of history. Correct me if anywhere I have gone wrong.
But Mahanta da if you think plebiscite is needed because there is a DISPUTE and 
the party asking for plebiscite has promised that it will abide by the rules, 
then tell me Mahanta da, should GOI hold plebiscite in Maharashtra also in 2008 
just because ONE single person is asking for it and he happens to have Indian 
President Pratibha Patil’s grandson as hostage.
To make things simple for you-
First-please educate us if there is any historical basis to this demand for 
plebiscite?
Second-if a plebiscite is needed because ULFA is asking for it, should India 
not give this luxury of options to all the downtrodden and more so to states 
like Mizoram, Chattisgarh, Jharkhand, and all the 540+erstwhile princely states?
Third-For Assam should it be single choice (India vs. Independent Assam) or 
multiple choice questions (India vs Independent Assam/Dimaraji/Bodoland/and 
numerous other lands which will spring up during the plebiscite like those 
numerous political parties which surface during elections). I hope you can give 
a answer to this third question to prove that you have done your homework on 
this plebiscite issue.  
 
Regards
Chittaranjan Pathak


 

 

 



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Re: [Assam] C-da legal info: NSA vs US arresting w/o warrant

[SANDIP DUTTA]

Dear C'dA,
   
  Sorry for the late reply. Here are my replies. The intention of making 
comparisions was to make you get to the answers on your own. 
   
  C-DA : Question however is WHAT have you learnt from what you know
   
  What I have learnt is that your country can make a case for invasion and go 
ahead with it - never mind what the rest of the world says. So where is the 
question of the checks and balances???
   
  The question is : What have YOU learnt. Your fundas that evolve from a cozy 
chair vs. what the suffering humanity in Assam actually want makes it certain 
that you dont have any takers in this forum. Yet YOU DONT LEARN.
   
  Your dramatic transformation into a supporter for the "cause" has left many 
in this forum foxed  - especially Chitta who's question you have probably not 
answered.
   
  Have you heard of the leninist term "Useful Idiot"? It was a term invented to 
apply specifically to supporters of "revolutionary" causes - ones who support 
the "cause" and serve as a useful propaganda tool while being unaware of the 
organizations long term goals.
   
  Rgds,
  Sandip
   
   
   
   
  

Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I am glad you do.
  

  Question however is WHAT have you learnt from what you know?
  

  From what  I see and hear in this forum, is that you learnt NOTHING. All you 
( that includes a number of you)  can cite when challenged is that the USA does 
that too.  And because USA does that, it is quite acceptable to you, even 
though you spare no efforts to denounce that?
  

  Funny thing however, is that even though the USA does some of these things, 
it has far superior checks and balances that are constantly evolving, thanks to 
its intelligentsia's participation and interest in shaping its governance, 
instead of  citing somebody else's examples mindlessly.
  

  That is the difference.
  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  At 2:24 AM -0700 6/7/07, SANDIP DUTTA wrote:
  Sondon Da, Thats whats happening in Iraq as well and we all know who does 
it :-) Rgds,  Sandip
  - Original Message 
From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2007 3:06:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] C-da legal info: NSA vs US arresting w/o warrant
  Hi Sandip:  
  No spinning here is necessary at all. Anyone who is even remotely familiar 
with democratic states' laws modelled after  the British system, would know 
that there ARE instances where the police can make warrantless arrests. Even an 
ordinary citizen can make what is called a 'Citizens' Arrest', under some 
circumstances.  
  However that is entirely different from the Indian Govts. invoking  National 
Security to squelch and  even physically round-up political dissenters, without 
DUE PROCESS, every time. Never mind that it is the govt. itself that 
precipitates such political turmoil.  
  Umesh, Sandip etc. are probably as qualified to be Indian district 
magistrates as any. Imagine their JUDGEMENT to order  the arrest of 'potential 
troublemakers' , without warrants, on grounds of , among other labels, ' 
terrorism' applied to political dissent!  
  That is the truly scary part.  
  cm  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  At 1:34 AM -0700 6/6/07, SANDIP DUTTA wrote:
  Lets hear the spin for this one :-)
  
   Rgds,
  Sandip
  - Original Message 
From: umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Monday, June 4, 2007 2:30:08 AM
Subject: [Assam] C-da legal info: NSA vs US arresting w/o warrant
  C-da,
  
   you mentioned that as per NAtional Security Act now Rajasthan state govt can 
arrest without warrant -- it is legal in USA for long --every high school 
graduate knows that -- how about you?
  
   http://www.vanwagnerwood.com/CM/Custom/arrest_without_warrant.asp
  
   Under the Act, district authorities are empowered to arrest without warrant 
those indulging in arson.
  Senior officers of the Army, which was called out 
http://www.rediff.com/news/2007/jun/02rajriot9.htm
  

Umesh Sharma

Washington D.C.

1-202-215-4328 [Cell]

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Harvard Graduate School of Education,
Harvard University,
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Re: [Assam] C-da legal info: NSA vs US arresting w/o warrant

[SANDIP DUTTA]

Sondon Da,

Thats whats happening in Iraq as well and we all know who does it :-) 

Rgds,
Sandip


- Original Message 
From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2007 3:06:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] C-da legal info: NSA vs US arresting w/o warrant


Hi Sandip:


No spinning here is necessary at all. Anyone who is even remotely familiar with 
democratic states' laws modelled after  the British system, would know that 
there ARE instances where the police can make warrantless arrests. Even an 
ordinary citizen can make what is called a 'Citizens' Arrest', under some 
circumstances.


However that is entirely different from the Indian Govts. invoking  National 
Security to squelch and
even physically round-up political dissenters, without DUE PROCESS, every time. 
Never mind that it is the govt. itself that precipitates such political turmoil.


Umesh, Sandip etc. are probably as qualified to be Indian district magistrates 
as any. Imagine their JUDGEMENT to order  the arrest of 'potential 
troublemakers' , without warrants, on grounds of , among other labels, ' 
terrorism' applied to political dissent!


That is the truly scary part.


cm


























At 1:34 AM -0700 6/6/07, SANDIP DUTTA wrote:
Lets hear the spin for this one :-)
 
Rgds,
Sandip

- Original Message 
From: umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Monday, June 4, 2007 2:30:08 AM
Subject: [Assam] C-da legal info: NSA vs US arresting w/o warrant

C-da,
 
you mentioned that as per NAtional Security Act now Rajasthan state govt can 
arrest without warrant -- it is legal in USA for long --every high school 
graduate knows that -- how about you?
 
http://www.vanwagnerwood.com/CM/Custom/arrest_without_warrant.asp 
 
Under the Act, district authorities are empowered to arrest without warrant 
those indulging in arson.
Senior officers of the Army, which was called out 
http://www.rediff.com/news/2007/jun/02rajriot9.htm


Umesh Sharma

Washington D.C.

1-202-215-4328 [Cell]

Ed.M. - International Education Policy
Harvard Graduate School of Education,
Harvard University,
Class of 2005

http://www.uknow.gse.harvard.edu/index.html (Edu info)

http://hbswk.hbs.edu/ (Management Info)




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Re: [Assam] C-da legal info: NSA vs US arresting w/o warrant

[SANDIP DUTTA]

Lets hear the spin for this one :-)

Rgds,
Sandip


- Original Message 
From: umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Monday, June 4, 2007 2:30:08 AM
Subject: [Assam] C-da legal info: NSA vs US arresting w/o warrant


C-da,
 
you mentioned that as per NAtional Security Act now Rajasthan state govt can 
arrest without warrant -- it is legal in USA for long --every high school 
graduate knows that -- how about you?
 
http://www.vanwagnerwood.com/CM/Custom/arrest_without_warrant.asp
 
Under the Act, district authorities are empowered to arrest without warrant 
those indulging in arson. 
Senior officers of the Army, which was called out 
http://www.rediff.com/news/2007/jun/02rajriot9.htm


Umesh Sharma

Washington D.C. 

1-202-215-4328 [Cell]

Ed.M. - International Education Policy
Harvard Graduate School of Education,
Harvard University,
Class of 2005

http://www.uknow.gse.harvard.edu/index.html (Edu info)

http://hbswk.hbs.edu/ (Management Info)




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Re: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots

[SANDIP DUTTA]

YES. Thats correct. In the larger interest of maintaining order, what was done 
had to be done. I dont need to tell you that in a civilized society, you cannot 
allow a few thousand people to run amok like savages, whatever be the cause!

In your country, if anyone were to inflict damage to public property and/or the 
lives of others, he would be shot first by the police and questions asked 
later. So now go and challange your own system first.

Rgds,
Sandip


- Original Message 
From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]; Ram Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2007 12:17:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots


> However the Gujjars had no business erupting like that with the express 
> >intention of damaging crores of govt. property.




*** And of course that is the unimpeachable truth, because Sandip says so, 
right? And thus them Gujjars DESERVE what they got.


And YOU speak of DEMOCRACY Sandip?


You guys ought to be ashamed of yoirselves.






















At 4:49 PM -0700 6/1/07, SANDIP DUTTA wrote:
Very true Sondon Da - it needs to be worked out with the parties. As you will 
see with most quotas, the creamy layer corner all the priveleges. Hence the 
need for economic reservation.
 
However the Gujjars had no business erupting like that with the express 
intention of damaging crores of govt. property. Hence the results were 
predictable.
 
Rgds,
SD

- Original Message 
From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ram Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Chan Mahanta 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2007 4:06:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots

>At 10:24 AM -0700 6/1/07, umesh sharma wrote:

C-da,

 

Sitting in US for long perhaps you have forgotten that there already exists 27% 
quotas in govt jobs and educational institutions in India -- unlike USA. Now 
the demand is that the already privileaged be included in this quota --which is 
not justified.

 

Umesh







 So WORK THAT out with the aggrieved parties. That is WHAT the legislators 
are sent to govern. If they can't, let them say so, so that a competent slate 
could be returned.




But to stonewall it or ignore it is  bound to result in a bigger problem.




















At 10:24 AM -0700 6/1/07, umesh sharma wrote:

C-da,

 

Sitting in US for long perhaps you have forgotten that there already exists 27% 
quotas in govt jobs and educational institutions in India -- unlike USA. Now 
the demand is that the already privileaged be included in this quota --which is 
not justified.

 

Umesh


Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

U:







>In most cases it is the politicians (of mostly opposition parties) who start 
>such mass protests - and >demand for reservation -- thats what happened in 
>Rajasthan before the last state elections when the >high-caste powerful groups 
>demanded reservation for themselves - to suppport any party in elections- >nd 
>got it --under current BJP rule.





*** And since it was started by politicians it is NOT legitimate?



That is HOW democracy works Umesh. People look to their representatives, 
elected or even unelected . Usually they are politicians.  But BEFORE they 
instigate their flocks to take to the streets usually there are signs of a 
trouble brewing.  It does not come like hurricane Katrina in a week's notice. A 
DEMOCRATIC government would usually respond to a mass disaffection brewing.





They would NOT  stonewall, or pretend they hear or see anything. And if they 
do, they should be held ACCOUNTABLE, which is an alien word in desi-demokrasy.



So they would make unreasonable demands, won't they?



ALL demands are UNREASONABLE when there is no desire or intent to give anything 
up. But that is not how democracy works. If it is patently unreasonable, or 
unconstitutional, they should be adjudicated in a RELIABLE ( one that cannot be 
bought by the powers in control or the highest briber) court of law. Otherwise 
there will have to be a GIVE and TAKE.



c-da











At 8:21 AM -0700 6/1/07, umesh sharma wrote:

C-da,

 

How can you be so naive. In most cases it is the politicians (of mostly 
opposition parties) who start such mass protests - and demand for reservation 
-- thats what happened in Rajasthan before the last state elections when the 
high-caste powerful groups demanded reservation for themselves - to suppport 
any party in elections- and got it --under current BJP rule.

 


Umesh

Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Ram:



All that is fine.



Conflicts arise from many different reasons. Economics is one.  But it does not 
somehow make it

out-of-bounds for resolution thru a political process

Re: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots

[SANDIP DUTTA]

Sondon Da,

It has a lot to do with what goes on in India. Presumably because in your view 
India has failed on every front and hence you chose to make the USA your home. 
Therefore you need to let us know what goes on there instead of just talking 
away. Maybe you heard the term "Best Practices". 

Secondly, if you are really interested in making a contribution, it will be 
best to get back to Assam or to some other part of India (your choice). However 
again, you need to learn to be a team player because in a country of 1 billion 
people, if you only choose to only debunk others, there wont be any takers for 
sure. This you must have learnt from these discussions already :-)


Thank you,

Sandip




- Original Message 
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Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2007 12:23:29 PM
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>Do blacks get reservation there?



*** What does THAT have to do with WHAt goes on in India? Are Indians so 
ignorant, so incapable to decide what is right fore them, that they have to go 
by what the USA does or doesn't do?


 
>Indian Democracy is still maturing.


*** Really? A maturing process is not STATIC in time. It evolves. Where has 
India demonstrated such evolution since independence, as far as shooting down 
its own people every month?


India is incapable of change, because its intelligentsia is absent from its 
governance. Sandip's arguments are the best examples.


>But perhaps according to you, we should replace Indian governance with the 
>>Maoist philosophy.


*** One does not have to put blinders on one's imaginations. But  that is what 
you are doing. You cannot even imagine to your full potential, even when no one 
is impeding it, controlling it. That is tragic.










At 5:08 PM -0700 6/1/07, SANDIP DUTTA wrote:
Do blacks get reservation there?
 
Since they dont, how does your US of A plan to bring them up the economic 
ladder? Is the fact that they dont riot reason enough for complacency? They 
could any time - given the necessary momentum and impetus.
 
Indian Democracy is still maturing. Since we did not get to write the 
constitution in 1785 or whatever - we need time to sort out things. Also - 
Reservations are a way to undo the age old prejudice perpetuated by high caste 
hindus (ask who?). Too bad if everyone want the lollies together.
 
But perhaps according to you, we should replace Indian governance with the 
Maoist philosophy. Then in the new order of things, anyone who protests will 
just be rounded up and done with - including Ulfa supporters.
 
 
-SD


 
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Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2007 11:52:46 PM
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At 4:43 PM -0700 5/31/07, SANDIP DUTTA wrote:

That is why I asked about Hurricane Katrina where the black community was 
subjected to continual harrasment and their social griveiances never redressed. 
The black-white within the larger issue of racism continues to linger on.

 

Now are we comparing apples with apples??

 

Tell us what your US of A did in this case and how it solved a 200 year old 
problem.

 

Rgds,

SD




*** Yes, we ARE indeed comparing apples and oranges.  Racial bias issues today 
in the USA do not end up in riots and the military/police shooting down 
rioters. These are now settled  thru law making and in courts, civil as well as 
criminal.


But the problem is not gone. Perhaps we should encourage the USA to apply 
thousands of years old Hindu doctrines from India to better accomplish the task 
of racism, prejudice and discrimination :-)?






Compare that to Indian/army police shooting down their fellow men, by the 
dozens, routinely, almost every month, by their govts. advertised as 
DEMOCRATIC. So much so that the populace has resigned to the idea that mass 
grievances of minority groups will never be addressed until they resort to 
violence. The only language desi-demokrasy understands and pays heed to is that 
of violence and bloodshed.




Every society has problems. Functioning DEMOCRACIES have devised ways to 
resolve such conflicts peacefully and equitably, thru a political process and 
thru the courts., instead of REFUSING to recognize such discord in society or 
grievances of the numerical minorities, until violence breaks out.
That has been the recurring story of  what is packaged as democracy in India to 
wave to the world.




>From these posts it is abundantly clear to

Re: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots

[SANDIP DUTTA]

Do blacks get reservation there?

Since they dont, how does your US of A plan to bring them up the economic 
ladder? Is the fact that they dont riot reason enough for complacency? They 
could any time - given the necessary momentum and impetus. 

Indian Democracy is still maturing. Since we did not get to write the 
constitution in 1785 or whatever - we need time to sort out things. Also - 
Reservations are a way to undo the age old prejudice perpetuated by high caste 
hindus (ask who?). Too bad if everyone want the lollies together.

But perhaps according to you, we should replace Indian governance with the 
Maoist philosophy. Then in the new order of things, anyone who protests will 
just be rounded up and done with - including Ulfa supporters.

 
-SD



- Original Message 
From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Ram 
Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2007 11:52:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots


At 4:43 PM -0700 5/31/07, SANDIP DUTTA wrote:
That is why I asked about Hurricane Katrina where the black community was 
subjected to continual harrasment and their social griveiances never redressed. 
The black-white within the larger issue of racism continues to linger on.
 
Now are we comparing apples with apples??
 
Tell us what your US of A did in this case and how it solved a 200 year old 
problem.
 
Rgds,
SD



*** Yes, we ARE indeed comparing apples and oranges.  Racial bias issues today 
in the USA do not end up in riots and the military/police shooting down 
rioters. These are now settled  thru law making and in courts, civil as well as 
criminal.


But the problem is not gone. Perhaps we should encourage the USA to apply 
thousands of years old Hindu doctrines from India to better accomplish the task 
of racism, prejudice and discrimination :-)?






Compare that to Indian/army police shooting down their fellow men, by the 
dozens, routinely, almost every month, by their govts. advertised as 
DEMOCRATIC. So much so that the populace has resigned to the idea that mass 
grievances of minority groups will never be addressed until they resort to 
violence. The only language desi-demokrasy understands and pays heed to is that 
of violence and bloodshed.




Every society has problems. Functioning DEMOCRACIES have devised ways to 
resolve such conflicts peacefully and equitably, thru a political process and 
thru the courts., instead of REFUSING to recognize such discord in society or 
grievances of the numerical minorities, until violence breaks out.
That has been the recurring story of  what is packaged as democracy in India to 
wave to the world.




>From these posts it is abundantly clear to anyone paying attention, that a 
>significant  section  of the Indian intelligentsia's concerns (be it from 
>India or be it from abroad) for other human beings, even of their own, is 
>limited to shedding crocodile tears, when it is convenient to do so.




Finally, I have one question:


EVEN if the USA is just as bad or worse than India's human rights 
record or in its inability to
resolve societal conflicts, does it JUSTIFY or NEUTRALIZE India's 
record or ERADICATE its
own dysfunction?






cm















- Original Message 
From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2007 12:54:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots

>In the US, we have several examples (which C'da will be glad to expand on, I 
>am sure).




*** Yes, but we are comparing apples and oranges.




>Elian Gonzalez


** It was case of enforcement of a court order. No one was killed if I am not 
mistaken.




>Ruby Ridge


*** It was a case of criminal kidnapping.


>David Koresh


*** Again a criminal case of confinement and refusal to submit to a court 
order, leading to a police/paramiltary raid, to defy which the inmates of the 
commune committed mass suicide.




None of these were anything akin to political /social disaffections , ignored 
by authorities, leading to demonstrations that turned into rioting terminated 
by military /police firing against their OWN PEOPLE.










At 8:29 AM -0600 5/31/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:

Just to butt in here a bit.

 

In the US, we have several examples (which C'da will be glad to expand on, I am 
sure).

 

Elian Gonzalez

Ruby Ridge

David Koresh

 

In the last two, (it wasn't the US Army) but paramil. forces - people got killed

 

On 5/31/07, SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Still waiting to hear what happens in similar situations 

Re: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots

[SANDIP DUTTA]

ness  to constituents' concerns and an absence of functioning 
conflict resolution institutions in what is advertised as a democracy,  does 
NOT FLY. And to suggest that these conflicts can turn violent leading to 
military or police firings and killing of their own people by the dozens at a 
time, routinely, BECAUSE India is DEMOCRATIC is an appalling spin Ram . You are 
doing a disservice to your fellow Indians by telling them such bizarre stories 
about what a democracy is :-).





c-da



























At 8:31 AM -0600 6/1/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:

C'da


 

>*** That is about the most convoluted explanation of democracy and egregious 
>spin on India's behavior



>I have heard  so far Ram.


 

I am trying to differentiate here: The Gujars and the Meenas are clashing in 
Rajasthan - basically one group does not want the other to get ST status (while 
they, themselves should). Without going into the details who should and who 
shouldn't, the basic underpinning of this whole this is Economics.


 

Neither the Gujars or the Meenas (IMHO) would be so concerned of their 
Scheduled Tribe Status if there were jobs and other resources aplenty. After 
all - the 6th Schedule is only in the Constitution - and whether it is or isn't 
the Gujars and the Meenas will remain whatever they have been  - Tribes or 
non-Tribes. So, why the big rushing need to be included in the 6th - Jobs and 
oppturnities.


 

A mjor cause to most of India's problems (including ULFA ) can be traced to 
economics, wants and needs, as opposed to "we are separate cultural identity" 
argument per se. I would even go a bit further - sometimes even "demands" for 
the preservation cultural identities ties back to economics. Hence, such 
cultural identities prove to be a boon - hence, Marathis/Bodos/Assamese or in 
this case Gujars or Meenas form numbers to jostle for better economic benefits. 
The other thing to fact is political power - ie. politicians play one group 
against the other for such power.


 

--Ram



 

On 6/1/07, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>The right to bandhs, hartals, strikes are possible in India because its a 
>democracy and they happen >because there is NOT enough to go around. It does  
>not happen in the US because most of the most >common things have already been 
>met.


 


 

*** That is about the most convoluted explanation of democracy and egregious 
spin on India's behavior I have heard  so far Ram.


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 

At 10:34 AM -0600 5/31/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:

Oh! I forgot, C'da


 

LA riots (after the OJ Simpson thing), NY Black  out . maybe I am forgetting a 
few.


 

But you are right, the US has far fewer of such riots than India or most of the 
up & coming economies do.  And that can be attributed, in general, to the 
limited resources, and too many people these countries have.


 

If some of the countries have democracies, there are demonstrations, protests 
etc - which often go haywire. If they are NOT democratic then they can be 
quelled swiftly.


 

The right to bandhs, hartals, strikes are possible in India because its a 
democracy and they happen because there is NOT enough to go around. It does  
not happen in the US because most of the most common things have already been 
met.


 

--Ram

 

On 5/31/07, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>In the US, we have several examples (which C'da will be glad to expand on, I 
>am sure).



 

*** Yes, but we are comparing apples and oranges.


 


 

>Elian Gonzalez


 

** It was case of enforcement of a court order. No one was killed if I am not 
mistaken.


 


 

>Ruby Ridge


 

*** It was a case of criminal kidnapping.


 

>David Koresh


 

*** Again a criminal case of confinement and refusal to submit to a court 
order, leading to a police/paramiltary raid, to defy which the inmates of the 
commune committed mass suicide.


 


 

None of these were anything akin to political /social disaffections , ignored 
by authorities, leading to demonstrations that turned into rioting terminated 
by military /police firing against their OWN PEOPLE.



 


 


 


 


 

At 8:29 AM -0600 5/31/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:

Just to butt in here a bit.


 

In the US, we have several examples (which C'da will be glad to expand on, I am 
sure).


 

Elian Gonzalez

Ruby Ridge

David Koresh


 

In the last two, (it wasn't the US Army) but paramil. forces - people got killed

 

On 5/31/07, SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Still waiting to hear what happens in similar situations in US of A - say like 
if some African Americans were to protest again over Hurricane Katrina? Maybe 
we should learn and implement similar policies here.




 

Do they get 125 yrs jail...or Guantanamo Bay?...or there's political 
settlement?


 

Rg

Re: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots

[SANDIP DUTTA]

That is why I asked about Hurricane Katrina where the black community was 
subjected to continual harrasment and their social griveiances never redressed. 
The black-white within the larger issue of racism continues to linger on.

Now are we comparing apples with apples??

Tell us what your US of A did in this case and how it solved a 200 year old 
problem. 

Rgds,
SD

- Original Message 
From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Ram Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2007 12:54:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots


>In the US, we have several examples (which C'da will be glad to expand on, I 
>am sure).



*** Yes, but we are comparing apples and oranges.




>Elian Gonzalez


** It was case of enforcement of a court order. No one was killed if I am not 
mistaken.




>Ruby Ridge


*** It was a case of criminal kidnapping.


>David Koresh


*** Again a criminal case of confinement and refusal to submit to a court 
order, leading to a police/paramiltary raid, to defy which the inmates of the 
commune committed mass suicide.




None of these were anything akin to political /social disaffections , ignored 
by authorities, leading to demonstrations that turned into rioting terminated 
by military /police firing against their OWN PEOPLE.










At 8:29 AM -0600 5/31/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
Just to butt in here a bit.
 
In the US, we have several examples (which C'da will be glad to expand on, I am 
sure).
 
Elian Gonzalez
Ruby Ridge
David Koresh
 
In the last two, (it wasn't the US Army) but paramil. forces - people got killed

 
On 5/31/07, SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Still waiting to hear what happens in similar situations in US of A - say like 
if some African Americans were to protest again over Hurricane Katrina? Maybe 
we should learn and implement similar policies here.
 
Do they get 125 yrs jail...or Guantanamo Bay?...or there's political 
settlement?
 
Rgds,
Sandip

 
- Original Message 
From: umesh sharma < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Chan Mahanta < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:56:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gujar

it confirms my opinion that Gujjars are not that backward -- in comparison to 
the tribes /castes who are in SC ST category -- nobody oppresses them - but 
they are maig this demand after upper caste have got 10% reservation in 
Rajasthan and Jats -another dominant warrior caste (rules Alwar and Haryana) 
has been included in OBC category by former Congress govt. of Rajasthan

Umesh

SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

"Think deeper" - he he!
 
How much deep info did you have about Meenas, Gujjars etc in Rajasthan? - 
before you read the BBC report?
 
And you already decided it was a legitimate demand?
 
BTW, you didnt answer what happens in the US of A.
 
Rgds,
Sandip

 
- Original Message 
From: Chan Mahanta < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Chandan Mahanta < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:10:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots

Sandip:

 
You need to to think a little DEEPER!

 
WHY did RIOTING have to take place to begin with? Did these people wake up one 
fine morning and decided, : Heck, things are dull,  let us go burn some buses 
today and  cut-off policemen's limbs?

 
Think about it and come back with your questions again.

 
sd

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
At 6:06 AM -0700 5/31/07, SANDIP DUTTA wrote:

Hello Sondon Da,

 

As far as I understand, police and RAF are meant to maintain law & order and 
prevent rioters getting out of hand. Thats their job. Army is called in only 
when situation gets out of control. Same approach is applied everywhere. Local 
Admin calls in the army. In this case, Rajasthan police had no experience 
handling anything of this kind in the last many decades.

 

May we know what approach is taken towards rioters who use violence as a form 
of protest and then try justifying it - in the worlds greatest demokrasy - your 
home, the United EStates of Amrika? I mean people who damage govt. property, 
possibly kill and maim others and try to undermine state authority?


 

Rgds,

SD

- Original Message 
From: Chandan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
To: assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 2:59:35 AM
Subject: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots

Chandan Mahanta saw this story on the BBC News website and thought you
should see it.

** Message **
This is typical of the Indian state's conflict resolution program, which has 
not change

Re: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots

[SANDIP DUTTA]

Still waiting to hear what happens in similar situations in US of A - say like 
if some African Americans were to protest again over Hurricane Katrina? Maybe 
we should learn and implement similar policies here.

Do they get 125 yrs jail...or Guantanamo Bay?...or there's political 
settlement?

Rgds,
Sandip


- Original Message 
From: umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:56:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gujar

it confirms my opinion that Gujjars are not that backward -- in comparison to 
the tribes /castes who are in SC ST category -- nobody oppresses them - but 
they are maig this demand after upper caste have got 10% reservation in 
Rajasthan and Jats -another dominant warrior caste (rules Alwar and Haryana) 
has been included in OBC category by former Congress govt. of Rajasthan

Umesh

SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
"Think deeper" - he he!
 
How much deep info did you have about Meenas, Gujjars etc in Rajasthan? - 
before you read the BBC report? 
 
And you already decided it was a legitimate demand? 
 
BTW, you didnt answer what happens in the US of A.
 
Rgds,
Sandip


- Original Message 
From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Chandan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:10:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots


Sandip:


You need to to think a little DEEPER!


WHY did RIOTING have to take place to begin with? Did these people wake up one 
fine morning and decided, : Heck, things are dull,  let us go burn some buses 
today and  cut-off policemen's limbs?


Think about it and come back with your questions again.


sd






















At 6:06 AM -0700 5/31/07, SANDIP DUTTA wrote:
Hello Sondon Da,
 
As far as I understand, police and RAF are meant to maintain law & order and 
prevent rioters getting out of hand. Thats their job. Army is called in only 
when situation gets out of control. Same approach is applied everywhere. Local 
Admin calls in the army. In this case, Rajasthan police had no experience 
handling anything of this kind in the last many decades.
 
May we know what approach is taken towards rioters who use violence as a form 
of protest and then try justifying it - in the worlds greatest demokrasy - your 
home, the United EStates of Amrika? I mean people who damage govt. property, 
possibly kill and maim others and try to undermine state authority?
 
Rgds,
SD

- Original Message 
From: Chandan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 2:59:35 AM
Subject: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots

Chandan Mahanta saw this story on the BBC News website and thought you
should see it.

** Message **
This is typical of the Indian state's conflict resolution program, which has 
not changed in sixty years after freedom.

** Army deployed after India riots **
Troops are deployed in India's Rajasthan state after 14 people are killed in 
clashes over government job quotas.
< http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/south_asia/6703133.stm >


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Re: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots

[SANDIP DUTTA]

"Think deeper" - he he!

How much deep info did you have about Meenas, Gujjars etc in Rajasthan? - 
before you read the BBC report? 

And you already decided it was a legitimate demand? 

BTW, you didnt answer what happens in the US of A.

Rgds,
Sandip


- Original Message 
From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Chandan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:10:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots


Sandip:


You need to to think a little DEEPER!


WHY did RIOTING have to take place to begin with? Did these people wake up one 
fine morning and decided, : Heck, things are dull,  let us go burn some buses 
today and  cut-off policemen's limbs?


Think about it and come back with your questions again.


sd






















At 6:06 AM -0700 5/31/07, SANDIP DUTTA wrote:
Hello Sondon Da,
 
As far as I understand, police and RAF are meant to maintain law & order and 
prevent rioters getting out of hand. Thats their job. Army is called in only 
when situation gets out of control. Same approach is applied everywhere. Local 
Admin calls in the army. In this case, Rajasthan police had no experience 
handling anything of this kind in the last many decades.
 
May we know what approach is taken towards rioters who use violence as a form 
of protest and then try justifying it - in the worlds greatest demokrasy - your 
home, the United EStates of Amrika? I mean people who damage govt. property, 
possibly kill and maim others and try to undermine state authority?
 
Rgds,
SD

- Original Message 
From: Chandan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 2:59:35 AM
Subject: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots

Chandan Mahanta saw this story on the BBC News website and thought you
should see it.

** Message **
This is typical of the Indian state's conflict resolution program, which has 
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Re: [Assam] Clamour for a political solution to the ULFA demands from the trader community in Assam

[SANDIP DUTTA]

So if you left, whats the problem? 

"I would not settle for anything less than a right to re-orient Assam's 
governance and have full controls over its natural resources" - and then?

Transfer the dough back to Dhaka by hawala :-) ?



- Original Message 
From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Alpana 
B. Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Jyotirmoy Sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 10:47:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Clamour for a political solution to the ULFA demands from 
the trader community in Assam


It is NOT for ME to dictate that. Remember I left? It is for ULFA and the GoI 
to negotiate and settle on.


I will accept anything the two can settle on, and bring peace back, even though 
if *I* were to be a negotiator for ULFA, I would not settle for anything less 
than a right to re-orient Assam's governance and have full controls over its 
natural resources.






























At 5:05 AM -0700 5/31/07, SANDIP DUTTA wrote:
May we hear again what comprises the political soln. as envisaged by you.
 
Rgds,
SD

- Original Message 
From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Alpana B. Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Jyotirmoy Sharma <[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>; Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 8:58:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Clamour for a political solution to the ULFA demands from 
the trader community in Assam

What I propose is to bring the conflict to an end, through negotiations and a 
political solution. Even Indian military brass, time and again, have declared 
that the conflict could be ended only with a political solution. And even the 
most reactionary of newspapers have declared, time and again, that the conflict 
will not end, unless the root causes are addressed and solutions found.


MY question for Jyoti is: WHAT is YOUR solution? What do YOU propose?


Of course we have seen Jyoti's earlier proposals. Now if I asked him to grade 
those proposals, like a teacher might do to a student's home-work, how would 
Jyoti grade his own work?


Some suggested grades:


A -- for brilliant, imaginative
B -- for having a decent chance at success
C -- for Childish
D -- for DUMB






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At 5:24 PM -0500 5/30/07, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote:

I agree and do the same - call around to find out if everyone is ok.

 

 

 

 

"In order to make spiritual progress you must be patient like a tree and humble 
like a blade of grass"

- Lakshmana

 

 

> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 19:26:57 +0800
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> CC: assam@assamnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Assam] Clamour for a political solution to the ULFA demands 
> from the trader community in Assam is a positive development. Every one 
> should look at the ULFA stand as the core issue. NOT to treat i
>
> " ... instead of shedding crocodile tears like so many of our
> highly intelligent friends here, who are never affected by what is
> happening?"
> Everyone who has someone in Assam is affected. Everytime a bomb
> blast happens I have to check the papers and call home to see that
> everyone is OK.
> Is this the "Freedom" that you are proposing ?
>
> JS
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Re: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots

[SANDIP DUTTA]

Hello Sondon Da,

As far as I understand, police and RAF are meant to maintain law & order and 
prevent rioters getting out of hand. Thats their job. Army is called in only 
when situation gets out of control. Same approach is applied everywhere. Local 
Admin calls in the army. In this case, Rajasthan police had no experience 
handling anything of this kind in the last many decades. 

May we know what approach is taken towards rioters who use violence as a form 
of protest and then try justifying it - in the worlds greatest demokrasy - your 
home, the United EStates of Amrika? I mean people who damage govt. property, 
possibly kill and maim others and try to undermine state authority?

Rgds,
SD

- Original Message 
From: Chandan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 2:59:35 AM
Subject: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots


Chandan Mahanta saw this story on the BBC News website and thought you
should see it.

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not changed in sixty years after freedom.

** Army deployed after India riots **
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clashes over government job quotas.
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Re: [Assam] Clamour for a political solution to the ULFA demands from the trader community in Assam

[SANDIP DUTTA]

May we hear again what comprises the political soln. as envisaged by you.

Rgds,
SD


- Original Message 
From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Alpana B. Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Jyotirmoy Sharma <[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>; Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 8:58:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Clamour for a political solution to the ULFA demands from 
the trader community in Assam


What I propose is to bring the conflict to an end, through negotiations and a 
political solution. Even Indian military brass, time and again, have declared 
that the conflict could be ended only with a political solution. And even the 
most reactionary of newspapers have declared, time and again, that the conflict 
will not end, unless the root causes are addressed and solutions found.


MY question for Jyoti is: WHAT is YOUR solution? What do YOU propose?


Of course we have seen Jyoti's earlier proposals. Now if I asked him to grade 
those proposals, like a teacher might do to a student's home-work, how would 
Jyoti grade his own work?


Some suggested grades:


A -- for brilliant, imaginative
B -- for having a decent chance at success
C -- for Childish
D -- for DUMB






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At 5:24 PM -0500 5/30/07, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote:
I agree and do the same - call around to find out if everyone is ok.

 

 

 

 

"In order to make spiritual progress you must be patient like a tree and humble 
like a blade of grass"

- Lakshmana

 

 

> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 19:26:57 +0800
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> CC: assam@assamnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Assam] Clamour for a political solution to the ULFA demands 
> from the trader community in Assam is a positive development. Every one 
> should look at the ULFA stand as the core issue. NOT to treat i
>
> " ... instead of shedding crocodile tears like so many of our
> highly intelligent friends here, who are never affected by what is
> happening?"
> Everyone who has someone in Assam is affected. Everytime a bomb
> blast happens I have to check the papers and call home to see that
> everyone is OK.
> Is this the "Freedom" that you are proposing ?
>
> JS
>
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Re: [Assam] India's newspaper readership

[SANDIP DUTTA]

Ram Da,

Guess its because it takes little to setup a radio station and broadcast your 
own version of news :-)

Rgds,
Sandip

- Original Message 
From: Ram Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Assamnet 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 2:55:30 AM
Subject: [Assam] India's newspaper readership


This item from the Houston Chronicle/AP makes interesting reading.. However, I 
was a little surprised by
Private radio stations are barred by law from broadcasting news, leaving 
newspapers as the preferred medium, both for the public and for advertisers, 
say media experts.
Private TV like Sony and other do carry a news segment everyday. Why is the 
supposedly "free airways" for the radio banned?
--Ram
By SAM DOLNICK
Associated Press 
NEW DELHI — Obituaries for newspapers are already being written in the United 
States and much of Europe, with the rise of the Internet and shrinking 
attention spans listed as the causes of death.
But the news hasn't made it to India.
Here, more than 150 million people read a newspaper every day — compared with 
97 million Americans and 48 million Germans. Circulation numbers in India are 
soaring, and advertising is expected to grow by 15 percent this year. 
The crowded Indian newsstand is a cacophony of scripts: In New Delhi, papers 
are published in 15 languages, from English and Hindi to more regional tongues, 
such as southern India's Telugu language.
One popular New Delhi newspaper shop offers 117 Indian dailies laid out like an 
all-you-can-read buffet with Bollywood stars, obscure acronyms, market data and 
cricket scores jostling for space in every paper.
Swaggering newspaper companies are betting that there's more room to grow, 
especially in rural areas where readership remains low. The continue to launch 
new papers and new editions across this country of 1.1 billion people. 
The optimism is in large part due to India's economy, expected to grow by 8 
percent this year, and the rising incomes and education levels that go with it.
The newspapers are also flourishing because India's media landscape remains 
firmly rooted in the ink-stained 20th century, when the Internet and cable TV 
had yet to realize the dominance they have today in the West. 
Despite a booming technology industry that's helped fuel economic growth, only 
8.5 million of Indians use the Web, according to government figures. And even 
some who use computers don't see the Internet usurping print. 
"The feel of reading a newspaper is very different," said Hemant Suri, a human 
resources consultant in New Delhi, as he browsed a newspaper rack. "The 
Internet cannot substitute."
And while cable TV is growing quickly, it's still prohibitively expensive for 
most Indian families — especially next to newspapers, which at just a few 
rupees, cost less than a cup of tea.
Private radio stations are barred by law from broadcasting news, leaving 
newspapers as the preferred medium, both for the public and for advertisers, 
say media experts.
Last year, Raju Narisetti left the Wall Street Journal, where he was editor of 
the Europe edition, to launch a new business paper in India published by a 
leading company, Hindustan Times Media Ltd. Narisetti said the differences in 
business climates have been staggering. 
In Europe, it was a good month when circulation and advertising numbers didn't 
fall, he said.
"Here, I've sat in meetings where the CEO pounds his fist on the table when the 
advertising guy says that it's going to be a 30 percent increase in 
advertising," said Narisetti. "It's a big shift in mind-set to realize that 
it's a market where 30 percent growth is considered just average." 
HT Media says its revenues are up 28 percent so far this fiscal year, which 
runs from April to March, and earnings per share are up more than 200 percent. 
While most Indian newspapers are privately owned, analysts agree that other 
newspaper companies are seeing similar profits. 
In comparison, 2006 saw the first decline in American newspaper revenue in a 
non-recession year, according to Morgan Stanley, whose analysts predict 2007 
will be just as difficult.
The Indian press currently reaches about 35 percent of the country's adults, 
reports the World Association of Newspapers. In the U.S., 17 percent of people 
buy a daily newspaper, although most newspapers are shared with at least one 
person, according to the Newspaper Association of America. 
Circulation of U.S. papers has dropped steadily over the past two decades from 
63 million in 1985 to 53 million in 2005, according to the Newspaper 
Association of America. Readership is a higher number because it measures the 
number of people who read newspapers. 
In Britain, circulation has fallen 3 percent between 2001 and 2005, while in 
Germany, it has fallen 11 percent over the same period, according to the World 
Association of Newspapers.
In India, however, circulation has risen 33 percent from 2001 to 2005, 
according to India's Registrar of Newspapers.
And the poten

Re: [Assam] Anti-ULFA slogans rattle Pengere

[SANDIP DUTTA]

Completely aggree. We could have had our version of "azad kashmir" on this side 
instead of contending with a 22 km wide strip.

Rgds,
SD



- Original Message 
From: Manoj Das <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: Jyotirmoy Sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 12:08:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Anti-ULFA slogans rattle Pengere


Although it's diplomatically not correct to talk that way, India's approach 
should have been different and at least the chicken neck should have been made 
a 'pig's neck'.
 
mkd

 
On 5/27/07, SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
Instead of liberating Bangladesh, India should have pulverized and occupied it 
and solved the problem permanently ! 
 
Also, all the hindu bengali refugees could have gone back honourably and no one 
would have had to die or get killed in the great andolan. Add to that the great 
advantage of having another vast tract of land under India's control. The term 
"chicken neck" would not have existed. 
 
As for the remaining moslems there - they could be given one way tickets to the 
gulf and all would be happy :-)
 
 
 
Rgds,
SD

 
- Original Message 
From: Jyotirmoy Sharma < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 8:29:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Anti-ULFA slogans rattle Pengere 


This is what I feel should happen in Assam:
President' Rule be imposed on Assam.
ULFA given a strict deadline by which to surrender and come for talks.
Bangladesh also given a deadline by which they should destroy and   
hand over anti India insurgents lodged in their territory.
In the failure of the above, India launches a full scale offensive on  
ULFA  in NE as well as inside Bangladesh territory.
If the World reacts, it will be a good fortune for India. India has   
enough evidence of how terrorists are striking India from across the  
border and how Bangladesh is offering a safe sanctuary to these groups.
India should come out of it's puppet like spineless existence. If it   
wants to be a superpower in the next 2 decades it should behave like  
one. What is the use of spending so much of national wealth on  
defense if it can't even protect it's own borders. Look at Israel, it   
launched a full scale offensive against Lebanon to rescue 2 of it's  
soldiers from Hezbollah.




On 27/05/2007, at 7:06 AM, Chan Mahanta wrote:

>>  >Should a Govt continue in business if a group of a few thousand 
> ( <3000)  can hold the state to ransom with their cowardly tactics?
>
>
> *** Good question. Should  it?  I would not even go into the choice  
> of adjectives here.
>
> And if not, what should be done and who should ? 
>
> Finally, HOW will that be stopped? WHO will do that ?
>
>
>
> At 6:08 PM +0800 5/26/07, Jyotirmoy Sharma wrote:
>> Just as we talk the cowards have struck again in Fancy Bazar,   
>> Guwahati.
>> Should a Govt continue in business if a group of a few thousand
>> ( <3000)  can hold the state to ransom with their cowardly tactics?
>> JS
>>
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Re: [Assam] Anti-ULFA slogans rattle Pengere

[SANDIP DUTTA]

Instead of liberating Bangladesh, India should have pulverized and occupied it 
and solved the problem permanently ! 

Also, all the hindu bengali refugees could have gone back honourably and no one 
would have had to die or get killed in the great andolan. Add to that the great 
advantage of having another vast tract of land under India's control. The term 
"chicken neck" would not have existed.

As for the remaining moslems there - they could be given one way tickets to the 
gulf and all would be happy :-)



Rgds,
SD


- Original Message 
From: Jyotirmoy Sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 8:29:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Anti-ULFA slogans rattle Pengere


This is what I feel should happen in Assam:
President' Rule be imposed on Assam.
ULFA given a strict deadline by which to surrender and come for talks.
Bangladesh also given a deadline by which they should destroy and  
hand over anti India insurgents lodged in their territory.
In the failure of the above, India launches a full scale offensive on  
ULFA  in NE as well as inside Bangladesh territory.
If the World reacts, it will be a good fortune for India. India has  
enough evidence of how terrorists are striking India from across the  
border and how Bangladesh is offering a safe sanctuary to these groups.
India should come out of it's puppet like spineless existence. If it  
wants to be a superpower in the next 2 decades it should behave like  
one. What is the use of spending so much of national wealth on  
defense if it can't even protect it's own borders. Look at Israel, it  
launched a full scale offensive against Lebanon to rescue 2 of it's  
soldiers from Hezbollah.




On 27/05/2007, at 7:06 AM, Chan Mahanta wrote:

>>  >Should a Govt continue in business if a group of a few thousand
> ( <3000)  can hold the state to ransom with their cowardly tactics?
>
>
> *** Good question. Should  it?  I would not even go into the choice  
> of adjectives here.
>
> And if not, what should be done and who should ?
>
> Finally, HOW will that be stopped? WHO will do that ?
>
>
>
> At 6:08 PM +0800 5/26/07, Jyotirmoy Sharma wrote:
>> Just as we talk the cowards have struck again in Fancy Bazar,  
>> Guwahati.
>> Should a Govt continue in business if a group of a few thousand
>> ( <3000)  can hold the state to ransom with their cowardly tactics?
>> JS
>>
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Re: [Assam] Anti-ULFA slogans rattle Pengere

[SANDIP DUTTA]

Ram Da,

Werent they (Ulfa) also pressurising the Ulfa-wives to continue their fast and 
possibly die so that they could score more points against the GOI? 

Rgds,
SD




- Original Message 
From: Ram Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Assamnet 
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 5:18:27 AM
Subject: [Assam] Anti-ULFA slogans rattle Pengere

These two news items from the Sentinel make interesting reading. For one, it 
shows that the relationship between the ulfa and the common folks in villages 
is not that cosy after all (as touted by some). In fact, one might even call 
the relationship 'confrontational'? 
 
The other is that, as far as one can deduce, the ulfa and its cohorts are 
threatening people to continue some kind of protest and is bringing harping on 
the HR angle. 
 
This is also interesting:
Meanwhile, the ULFA, in a statement issued today expressed its regret over the 
killing of the school teacher, but maintained that the teacher was an Army 
informer. - Sentinel
 
And who would be next - the Gaon Bura (the head man), some 'khetiok' (farmer), 
the village 'benga' (the village idiot)?. 
 
(Highlights mine)
 
--Ram
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Anti-ULFA slogans rattle Pengere
>From our Reporter 
TINSUKIA, May 25: With the outlawed ULFA continuing its strikes, the common 
people in upper Asom have started to raise their voice against the rebel 
group's activities. Protest rallies against the killing of Kailashpur High 
School teacher Rohini Gogoi by the ULFA rattled Pengere area today. Thousands 
of students took to the streets with the body of the teacher and shouted 
anti-ULFA slogans. There were protest meetings at Pengere HS School and 
Kakopathar also. Both the meetings condemned the ULFA for killing the school 
teacher. 
The protest at Kakopathar was participated by a number of organizations, 
including the AASU, AJYCP, Moran Students' Union, Motock Yuba-Chatra Parishad 
and All Tai Ahom Students' Union.
It may be mentioned here that giving vent to the fury over the recurring 
incidents of violence, the local public lynched three ULFA rebels and 
apprehended two others in the last ten days. 
An ULFA militant was beaten to death by students and villagers of Kailashpur in 
Pengere of Tinsukia district after the rebel and his accomplice shot dead 
Rohini Gogoi, an assistant teacher of Kailashpur High School, yesterday. 
Soon after the incident, the schools students as well as local villagers chased 
the rebels, caught one of them and beat him to death.
A pistol and some ammunition were recovered from the slain militant who was 
identified as Baidhya Dhadumia. 
This is the third incident in ten days when public took on the rebels hand to 
hand.
Meanwhile, the ULFA, in a statement issued today expressed its regret over the 
killing of the school teacher, but maintained that the teacher was an Army 
informer. 
 
Police: ULFA instigating protest 
GUWAHATI, May 25: The outlawed ULFA has threatened people to launch protests 
against security forces in upper Asom, police sources said today. A week after 
the nine-day agitation launched by villagers at Tinsukia against the killing of 
an 'innocent civilian' during an alleged encounter on May 6, a top police 
official told UNI there was ample evidence that ULFA cadres threatened 
villagers of dire consequences if they did not intensify the agitation. 
The nine-day national highway blockade staged by villagers at Rupai Siding near 
Doomdooma had adversely affected communication and supply of essential 
commodities to the four districts of Arunachal Pradesh, the secluded Sadiya 
subdivision in upper Asom as well as some interior places in Tinsukia. At least 
five civilians were killed and several others injured during a clash between 
different ethnic communities, propelling the administration to impose curfew in 
trouble-torn areas. 
"After a series of reverses since the last few months, the ULFA is bent on 
bringing into play the human rights angle for its survival. In the latest 
instance, the ULFA took advantage of the killing by intimidating the villagers 
to launch a campaign against the security forces in Tinsukia, " the police 
official said. About 50 ULFA rebels have been killed by security forces and 
over 300 others either apprehended or forced to surrender during the last five 
months.
The official said inquiries revealed that ULFA rebels assaulted villagers with 
sticks and even threatened them at gunpoint in areas like Kakopathar, Dirak and 
Mohong to participate in the protest. 
These places, mostly remote, are known to be safe havens of the outfit.
"With this, the ULFA wants to instigate the people against the police and Army 
and mount pressure on them," the official said.
The ULFA has been demanding the withdrawal of the Army from the State. 
Similar protests were also witnessed after the killing of a resident of Dirak 
Chariali in Kakopathar, Ajit Mahanta, on February 8, 2004.
At least eight people were killed and

Re: [Assam] Covert Genocide Of Hindus In Bangladesh

[SANDIP DUTTA]

Good observations.
Rgds,
SD


- Original Message 
From: Manoj Das <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Ram Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:12:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Covert Genocide Of Hindus In Bangladesh


What is a Brahman or Bamun? Earlier times all 'buddhijiwis' were Brahmans; the 
ones with 'muscle' power were 'Kshtriyas' and so on and so forth. The divisions 
were not water tight.Time to time there were migration from one class to 
another. Vishwamitra, Vedavyas, Valmiki etc were adimitted to Brahmin class due 
to their intellect. Many muscleman, who captured power were admitted to 
'Khastriya' class and theories were generated to make descendents of some God. 
The pet Gods in Assam side were 'Kuber' or 'Shivjee'. For example 'Koch' Rajas 
have descended form 'Sivji', Chutias from 'Kuber', Ahoms from 'Indra' or 
'Lengdon' etc. etc. Linkages with Hindu Gods for 'Mongolian' kings were thus 
established so that 'buddhijiwis' can have their cut. 'Phuleswari Kunwari' and 
her two sisters were planted in the Ahom dynasty through 'trickery' and rest of 
history is well known to all. 
All the Muslims of Bangladesh were converted by a neo Muslim 'Kalapahar', 
General of the nawab of Gaur. Hindu Zamindars exploited them during last 
century and till before independence. It may be payback time, everywhere! 
As for me, coming from a farming family, my initiation ploughing was a 
disaster; the bulls were badly hurt, and resultant was a good scolding from my 
uncle. That was the last day on the 'kekura nangol' and I decided to become a 
'buddhijiwi'- a neo brahmin. I think the days of transmigration among castes 
have began with more vigor. Mayawati has become 'Raja'; people from lower 
castes becoming IPS, IAS- neo 'kshatriyas'. A vibrant young generation is 
inter-marrying, breaking the shackles of casteism, it's a matter of time that 
definitions are poised for a 'recheck'. 
It's wrong to squarely blame the 'Bamuns' for perpetuating social 
discrimination. Personally I have great respect for them, being teachers and 
preservers of knowledge and wisdom. 
Societies are always dynamic. There are only two laws..'might is right'; and 
'the brain will rule'.
MKD

 
On 5/22/07, SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
Dear Sondon Da,
 
Thanks for the thoughtful words. However before posing the question on whether 
Hindus dont care about other hindus, my question to you is: DO YOU CARE? 
 
On this particular context of the alleged harrasment of Bangladeshi Hindus, I 
remember seeing you saying in some post some time back that they deserve what 
they get. 
 
I'm not sure if you are an expert on the subject of the Two Nation theory but I 
have reason to beleive that this is the cause of this harrasment thats being 
played out even sixty years later. 
 
Lastly - we cannot dismiss deep rooted caste prejudices as "impotence" of the 
constitution. While your American constitution also promises you deliverance in 
a free and fair society,  it still has a long way to go before it can get 
there. 
 
My heart goes out to the black victims of Hurricance Katrina.
 
Rgds,
Sandip

 
- Original Message 
From: " [EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Ram Sarangapani < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 10:16:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Covert Genocide Of Hindus In Bangladesh


Ram:

>I believe most of the Hindu targets have been other Hindus - usually lower 
>castes, and in the >South the Upper Castes by other Hindus..


*** We have been vaguely aware of the former problem, haven't we? Glad to see 
you made that abundantly clear. Would help those who go about wearing that 
cloak of Hindu victimhood. 

I was however unaware of the latter: Of the victimhood of the upper castes in 
the South. While it is deplorable and worthy of sympathy, somehow it is hard to 
imagine their plight, in light of widely 
visible  power of the upper-castes that rule not merely the south but all over 
India. 

And in all of the above, the impotence of the Indian constitution, its promises 
to secularism in public life and the inability of Indian democracy in upholding 
those promises.


>> IMHO - the strength of Hinduism doesn't lie on such grounds. Rather, it lies 
> in deep-rooted concerns for humanity in general, Words/phrases like Ahimsa,
> Brahmacharya (self-Control), Satyam,* *'Satyam e jayte' and of our immediate
> surroundings in particular.


*** I will not argue your assertion. I just wished they were validated by 
Sandip's charge and its implications and your ow

Re: [Assam] Covert Genocide Of Hindus In Bangladesh

[SANDIP DUTTA]

Dear Sondon Da,

Thanks for the thoughtful words. However before posing the question on whether 
Hindus dont care about other hindus, my question to you is: DO YOU CARE?

On this particular context of the alleged harrasment of Bangladeshi Hindus, I 
remember seeing you saying in some post some time back that they deserve what 
they get. 

I'm not sure if you are an expert on the subject of the Two Nation theory but I 
have reason to beleive that this is the cause of this harrasment thats being 
played out even sixty years later. 

Lastly - we cannot dismiss deep rooted caste prejudices as "impotence" of the 
constitution. While your American constitution also promises you deliverance in 
a free and fair society,  it still has a long way to go before it can get 
there. 

My heart goes out to the black victims of Hurricance Katrina.

Rgds,
Sandip


- Original Message 
From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Ram Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 10:16:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Covert Genocide Of Hindus In Bangladesh


Ram:

>I believe most of the Hindu targets have been other Hindus - usually lower 
>castes, and in the >South the Upper Castes by other Hindus..


*** We have been vaguely aware of the former problem, haven't we? Glad to see 
you made that abundantly clear. Would help those who go about wearing that 
cloak of Hindu victimhood.

I was however unaware of the latter: Of the victimhood of the upper castes in 
the South. While it is deplorable and worthy of sympathy, somehow it is hard to 
imagine their plight, in light of widely 
visible  power of the upper-castes that rule not merely the south but all over 
India.

And in all of the above, the impotence of the Indian constitution, its promises 
to secularism in public life and the inability of Indian democracy in upholding 
those promises.


>> IMHO - the strength of Hinduism doesn't lie on such grounds. Rather, it lies
> in deep-rooted concerns for humanity in general, Words/phrases like Ahimsa,
> Brahmacharya (self-Control), Satyam,* *'Satyam e jayte' and of our immediate
> surroundings in particular.


*** I will not argue your assertion. I just wished they were validated by 
Sandip's charge and its implications and your own illustrations. The question 
in my mind continues to linger: In spite of all those lovely and highly evolved 
thoiughts, somehow, they never translated to the flock's commitments to their 
fellow men. In that the proof could not be found in the pudding, could it ?

>> I do believe the Hindu identity is being dissolved to great extent. That is
> because of the religion's capacity to accommodate extreme belief systems
> under one umbrella.

*** This too leaves me bafgfled . I can't seem to connect the purported cause 
to the described effect :-).

c-da









 Ram Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> C'da
> 
> You do bring up some good points - I had rather dealt with the subject a bit
> superficially, one might say.
> 
> But lets take what you say here:
> 
> 
> On 5/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Ram:
> >
> > To keep things contextual, let us go back to the subject matter: Regarding
> > it being unfashionable to care about pilght of Hindus.
> 
> 
> >If Hindus are persecuted because of their religious identity or prferences
> or >practices, but their plight is iognored EVEN by other Hindus, on account
> of it >not being fashionable
> 
> While there have been instances (Afganisthan under the Taliban), Bangladesh
> & Pakistan where Hindus were actively persecuted and Fiji (where I believe
> the issue is "Indians" as opposed to "Hindus), I believe most of the Hindu
> targets have been other Hindus - usually lower castes, and in the South the
> Upper Castes by other Hindus.. Even in Sri Lanka - the bone of contention is
> language as opposed to religion (it may play some role there too).
> 
> >that would cast a deep shadow of doubt about the strength of the HInduness
> of >ALL concerned.
> 
> IMHO - the strength of Hinduism doesn't lie on such grounds. Rather, it lies
> in deep-rooted concerns for humanity in general, Words/phrases like Ahimsa,
> Brahmacharya (self-Control), Satyam,* *'Satyam e jayte' and of our immediate
> surroundings in particular.
> On the contrary, many Hindus possess an unshakeable inner strength that has
> both the ingredients of helping others (even across religious barriers), and
> at the same time keeping their often (viewed as) awkward practices alive.
> 
> >If they do, whart would that tell us about the intellectual foundations
> that define >

Re: [Assam] maybe a virus

[SANDIP DUTTA]

Whats the file attachment btw. I am scared to open it :-)

Rgds,
SD


- Original Message 
From: Ram Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: mc mahant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 3:01:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] maybe a virus


Thank you Mukul da
 
Of course, that makes sense now.
 
Ram

 
On 5/21/07, mc mahant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
Dear Ram,
Dilip Chandan(Sarmah)-43 yrs.- is the well-known Editor of Tribune Group's Oxom 
Bani. 
His sudden appearance was as if he lost his way in Cyberspace!
BR
MM




Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 10:33:03 -0600
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: maybe a virus 



Mukul da
 
That looked more like a virus to me. The person seems to have used Dlip da and 
Chandan da' s names.
 
More like what is called 'phishing' for IP addresses.
 
Hope you are doing fine
 
Ram
 
You have to watch-and take part!
Only then will you know!
MM
 

 



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Re: [Assam] Covert Genocide Of Hindus In Bangladesh

[SANDIP DUTTA]

Hi Vox Populi,

The "For What" question should be directed more at all the intellectuals of 
various hues we have in our country. They are the ones who drive the idea thru 
their newspaper columns. This holds good for Assam as well.

Reg the second sentence - we dont use such words in this forum. It could be 
that you are a newcomer? 

Maybe you can start to mingle better in this forum by telling us what your name 
is :-)

Rgds,
Sandip



- Original Message 
From: vox populi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 1:15:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Covert Genocide Of Hindus In Bangladesh


pour quoi monsuieur dutta?

you must be a cultural bastard..

--- SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> No one gives a s**t because its not fashionable to
> side with Hindus anywhere - be it Bangladesh or
> Fiji.
> 
> Rgds,
> SD
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: Pradip Kumar Datta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED];
> [EMAIL PROTECTED];
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]; assam@assamnet.org;
> [EMAIL PROTECTED];
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 2:18:42 PM
> Subject: [Assam] Covert Genocide Of Hindus In
> Bangladesh
> 
> 
> Covert Genocide Of Hindus In Bangladesh
> Author: Narain Kataria
> 
> 
> A delegation comprising of Jiten Roy, Ph.D.,
> President, and Bidyut Sarkar, General Secretary,
> respectively, of International Federation of
> Bangladeshi Hindus & Friends, Mohini Sarin, a Human
> Rights Activist, Dr. Narinder Kukar, former National
> President of the Association of Indians in America
> and N. Kataria, Founder of Indian American
> Intellectuals Forum, called on Deputy Ambassador,
> Indian Mission, Mr. A. Gopinathan, at New York on
> January 20, and presented to him a memorandum
> documenting the pitiable plight of Hindus who are
> being subjected to relentless torture, ghastly
> murder, gang rape and forcible conversion to Islam.
> The memorandum urged the Indian Mission at U.N. to
> take up this matter seriously with the Government of
> India and find a permanent solution to the state
> sponsored campaign aimed at ethnic-cleansing of
> Hindus in Bangladesh. 
> The memorandum, inter alia, stated that Bangladesh,
> where 11,000 of its 64, 000 madrassas are constantly
> producing jihadis, "has become a safe haven for
> Islamic terrorists - - including Taliban and Al
> Qaeda fighters fresh off the boat from Afghanistan.
> " (The Time Asia Magazine Oct. 16, '02; Far Eastern
> Economic Review (April 4,2002); The Wall Street
> Journal April 2'02); Office of the Coordinator for
> Counterterrorism/ US Department of State, May 21,
> 2002; Country Reports on Human Rights Practices for
> 2001: Bangladesh, March 2002) Time Asia Magazine,
> CNNews (Dec. 21, '01) New York Times (Nov. 27, '01)
> etc. In the past one and half years, ever since the
> ruling coalition of "Islamic hardliners" (The
> Guardian, Oct. 2, '01) assumed power with an
> absolute majority, the Islamic extremists have
> gained enormous strength demonstrating that they are
> capable of enacting several Balies, if not 9/11s. 
> Earlier, using the Babri Mosque incident as a ploy
> to teach Hindus a befitting lesson, Jehadis had
> killed 15 Hindus, raped 2600 Hindu women, razed
> 3,600 temples and rendered 200,000 Hindus homeless. 
> Militant Islamists have looted, razed and in many
> cases set ablaze dwelling houses, businesses,
> temples, imposed infidel protection tax, gang/mass
> raped [e.g. nearly 200 Hindu women were mass raped
> by the Muslims in Char Fashion in a single night
> (The Daily Star, Nov 16, 2001); mother and
> eight-year-old daughter were gang-raped together
> subjecting the helpless father/husband to watch such
> ghastly scene], brutally tortured, murdered, and
> left with the ultimatum:" Go to India, where you
> rightly belong." Incidents of rape remain generally
> underreported because of the stigma attached to it,
> yet among the 228 rape cases reported within the day
> of election 225 or 98.68 % of the rape victims were
> Hindus and the perpetrators belonged to the ruling
> parties (see, e.g., The Daily Janakantha, Feb. 17,
> '02). When the victims of rape approach the police
> station to press charges against the gang of
> rapists, the commanding officers not only refuse to
> accept their cases but in some cases
>  also persecute the victim by detaining them in the
> precinct lockup (see, e.g., The Daily Janakantha,
> Feb. 17, '2). 
> As a result of the above-mentioned systematic
> persecution, Hindu population in Bangladesh has
> decreased from 35% in 1947 

Re: [Assam] Covert Genocide Of Hindus In Bangladesh

[SANDIP DUTTA]

No one gives a s**t because its not fashionable to side with Hindus anywhere - 
be it Bangladesh or Fiji.

Rgds,
SD




- Original Message 
From: Pradip Kumar Datta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
assam@assamnet.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 2:18:42 PM
Subject: [Assam] Covert Genocide Of Hindus In Bangladesh


Covert Genocide Of Hindus In Bangladesh
Author: Narain Kataria


A delegation comprising of Jiten Roy, Ph.D., President, and Bidyut Sarkar, 
General Secretary, respectively, of International Federation of Bangladeshi 
Hindus & Friends, Mohini Sarin, a Human Rights Activist, Dr. Narinder Kukar, 
former National President of the Association of Indians in America and N. 
Kataria, Founder of Indian American Intellectuals Forum, called on Deputy 
Ambassador, Indian Mission, Mr. A. Gopinathan, at New York on January 20, and 
presented to him a memorandum documenting the pitiable plight of Hindus who are 
being subjected to relentless torture, ghastly murder, gang rape and forcible 
conversion to Islam. The memorandum urged the Indian Mission at U.N. to take up 
this matter seriously with the Government of India and find a permanent 
solution to the state sponsored campaign aimed at ethnic-cleansing of Hindus in 
Bangladesh. 
The memorandum, inter alia, stated that Bangladesh, where 11,000 of its 64, 000 
madrassas are constantly producing jihadis, "has become a safe haven for 
Islamic terrorists - - including Taliban and Al Qaeda fighters fresh off the 
boat from Afghanistan. " (The Time Asia Magazine Oct. 16, '02; Far Eastern 
Economic Review (April 4,2002); The Wall Street Journal April 2'02); Office of 
the Coordinator for Counterterrorism/ US Department of State, May 21, 2002; 
Country Reports on Human Rights Practices for 2001: Bangladesh, March 2002) 
Time Asia Magazine, CNNews (Dec. 21, '01) New York Times (Nov. 27, '01) etc. In 
the past one and half years, ever since the ruling coalition of "Islamic 
hardliners" (The Guardian, Oct. 2, '01) assumed power with an absolute 
majority, the Islamic extremists have gained enormous strength demonstrating 
that they are capable of enacting several Balies, if not 9/11s. 
Earlier, using the Babri Mosque incident as a ploy to teach Hindus a befitting 
lesson, Jehadis had killed 15 Hindus, raped 2600 Hindu women, razed 3,600 
temples and rendered 200,000 Hindus homeless. 
Militant Islamists have looted, razed and in many cases set ablaze dwelling 
houses, businesses, temples, imposed infidel protection tax, gang/mass raped 
[e.g. nearly 200 Hindu women were mass raped by the Muslims in Char Fashion in 
a single night (The Daily Star, Nov 16, 2001); mother and eight-year-old 
daughter were gang-raped together subjecting the helpless father/husband to 
watch such ghastly scene], brutally tortured, murdered, and left with the 
ultimatum:" Go to India, where you rightly belong." Incidents of rape remain 
generally underreported because of the stigma attached to it, yet among the 228 
rape cases reported within the day of election 225 or 98.68 % of the rape 
victims were Hindus and the perpetrators belonged to the ruling parties (see, 
e.g., The Daily Janakantha, Feb. 17, '02). When the victims of rape approach 
the police station to press charges against the gang of rapists, the commanding 
officers not only refuse to accept their cases but in some cases
 also persecute the victim by detaining them in the precinct lockup (see, e.g., 
The Daily Janakantha, Feb. 17, '2). 
As a result of the above-mentioned systematic persecution, Hindu population in 
Bangladesh has decreased from 35% in 1947 to 10% in 2003 
Hence, the Hindus of Bangladesh have no other alternative but to demand a 
permanent solution of this problem, by creating a protected region. If the 
Bosnian Muslims. East Timorese Christians, Srilankan Tamils, Iraqi Kurds 
deserve international attention, the Bangladeshi Hindus, 25 million of whose 
people have been driven out of the country and 2.5 million acres of whose land 
confiscated, deserve help find a permanent solution to their problem, too. Such 
a solution can never be achieved unless India intervenes, like it did in 1971 
Narain Kataria 
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Re: [Assam] IN ASSAM DOGS AND PUPPIES ARE KILLED FOR THEIR SKIN AND MEAT

[SANDIP DUTTA]

Hi, Himendra Da is quite right. However going by Maneka Gandhi's record, I 
think she raised this issue more out of her love for publicity as an animal 
rights activist than anything else.  Unfortunately publicity can give a high 
similar to smoking pot.

BTW, I have myself eaten meat from elephants trunk as well as some other dodgy 
stuff during my college days but I can say for sure that all the stuff came 
from naga students :-)

Rgds,
SD


- Original Message 
From: Manoj Das <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Himendra Thakur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; ASSAMNET 
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 5:31:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] IN ASSAM DOGS AND PUPPIES ARE KILLED FOR THEIR SKIN AND 
MEAT



Thanks Himendrada, we'll do our bit.
 
BTW Sashanka is VET working in NGO sector at Delhi.
 
-manoj
 
On 5/21/07, Himendra Thakur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
Dear Manoj,
 
During my 4 year stay in Nagaland, I became close to my Naga friends, and I 
came to know that "kukur-pitha" was a lie --- it continues to be a lie today.
 
It is a lie similar to what you see in the movie "INDIANA JONES" by George 
Lucas where Indians were shown as people who eat live snakes. 
 
>From time immemorial, people hurl ethnic slurs to demean others and glorify 
>the self. India is full of this kind of ethnic slurs. These are the root of 
>India's disunity and weakness. Very often, movies were used to spread ethnic 
>insults. I remember a movie (by a Marathi producer) CHACHA CHOUDHARY that was 
>directed against Gujarati   and South Indians. An exception was Uday Shankar's 
>KALPANA where he protested against stereotyping people. Mahatma Gandhi was 
>always against any ethnic slur. His article "Lovely Assam" will shine like a 
>gem forever. 
 
Our goal is to build a strong India for which we need complete extirpation of 
ethnic smearing. If the report is true, the interview at India TV by Sushri 
Maneka Gandhi adds up to betrayal of India. Her irresponsibility is paramount 
because she is a Member of Parliament, a member of BJP and a prominent national 
leader. 
 
This is a very serious matter. Because of their hereditary features, people 
from Assam are already facing many problems in Delhi where they are identified 
with derogatory remarks such as "chepta", etc. For the sake of future 
generations of the Assamese, the slur hurled by Sushri Maneka Gandhi must be 
nipped at the bud. This is as serious as the "Grouping" that was stopped by 
Gopinath Bordoloi in 1946, earning an international reputation of stubbornness. 
 
As a Life-Member and Patron of "Assam Association of Delhi", I propose action 
in the following sequence:
(1)   Assam Association of Delhi should take leadership in confronting the 
irresponsible, anti-national and divisive lies of Sushri Maneka Gandhi 
(2)   Before taking any action, Sushri Maneka Gandhi should be notified to 
explain, within 15 days, about the truth of the report.
(3)   On expiry of 15 days, a PIL case should be filed on charges of anti-India 
activities against Sushri Maneka Gandhi and India TV under the provisions of 
the Constitution of India. 
(4)   One thousand effigies of Maneka Gandhi should be burned all over Assam 
within a month. 
(5)   Demands should be made to the Prime Minister Dr. Manmohan Singh to 
condemn Maneka Gandhi.
(6)   Demand should be made to BJP to expel Maneka Gandhi from BJP, failing 
which, rallies should the held all over Assam and Delhi against BJP leadership. 
 
 
It is a high time Assam should once again take a strong stand. Please let me 
know your opinion.
 
I have facts about the lack of credibility of Sushri Maneka Gandhi, which I'll 
send to you after the 15 day notice mentioned above.
 
With the best wishes,
Himendra
 
PS: For some reason not known to me, my membership at assamnet has been 
cancelled. Please post my letter whichever way you think the best.
- Original Message - 
From: Manoj Das 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Cc: Dr. Sashanka ; Ram Sarangapani ; NorthEastIndia ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; 
assam@assamnet.org 
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] IN ASSAM DOGS AND PUPPIES ARE KILLED FOR THEIR SKIN AND 
MEAT

 
It's 'kukur pitha'. But only eaten in Nagaland. Himendrada, with long years of 
service in Nagaland will be able to through some light and put the record 
straight.
 


 
On 5/20/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

Ram,

Let us not be coy about this ancient cultural trait of our people and let the 
good doctor know about his query, without doubt a truly altruistic and generous 
gesture to bring a little respite to the sufferings of our canine comrades. 

Dr. Sashanka, as you know, we are ashamed of our ancient pursuit of  this 
delectable culinary gem. That is why my esteemed colleague Ram is beating 
around the bush, not telling you like it is. The truth, doctor, is that it is 
as Assamese a custom as Bihu dancing, til-pitha khwa ( eating  sesame and 
juggery stuffed rice flour cakes), sunga-saul khowa ( rice cooked in green 
bamb

Re: [Assam] End this disease called ULFA

[SANDIP DUTTA]

This is where some of the "Tax" collected as part of the "Conflict" goes:

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1070517/asp/northeast/story_7787385.asp

Rgds,
Sandip


- Original Message 
From: Ram Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: chittaranjan pathak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:01:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] End this disease called ULFA


Excellent points raised Chitta. I am sure C'da  will come at y'all (as we say 
in Texas) with guns a-blazin.
 
There is one slight correction that is needed
 
***But, I have often said that if the ulfa or some other group was really, 
really fighting for a cause, and with all sincerity, I would be the first one 
to at least give them the respect they deserve (even if I do not agree with 
their cause). 
 
That part is mine, not C'da. But one would wish C'da would also something like 
that - am not holding my breath, though. 
 
--Ram da
 


 
On 5/16/07, chittaranjan pathak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 


Mahanta da Salute
Jyatirmay posed some questions-:
>- Why do they reside in a foreign country, the population of which is creating 
>economic and social disorder in our state? 
 
>- Why don't they fight the Indian Army but hide in their holes when 
>confronted? Why do human rights become a big issue when their members are 
>killed and not when innocents are getting maimed and killed by their bomb 
>attacks at public places? 
 
>- Why do they plant bombs in public places and kill innocent people?
 
>- They seek whereabouts of missing ULFA members, what about all the people 
>they have killed. Are they going to give the reasons? 
 
You first did your patented qualitative analysis of these questions to classify 
them as dumb, dumber and dumbest. But let me assure you, many people in Assam 
are asking these seemingly dumb questions. While trying to work out intelligent 
responses to these dumb questions, you came out with not dumb; but some very 
disgusting explanations. And in the process you: 
Justified ULFA's extortion as a form of TAXATION
Endorsed the hobnobbing with ISI and BDesh Jehadis as a STRATEGIC ALLAINCE
Defended the killing of children and civilians as a modus operandi of the 
CONFLICT.
 
Can we go back to your intelligent responses to these dumb questions one by one?
 
TAXATION
Try explaining this taxation scheme to those belonging to the samples I have 
given below. I am just limiting to few-with little effort I can post to you 
some copies of extortion notices (sorry tax advices) also. 
1)  This guy from humble background from Abhayapuri by grace of 
reservation/education in an engineering college gets a job in Public sector 
(OIL-Duliajan). Settles down, gets married and commits his first mistake of 
family life-taking an easy PSU provided loan buys a brand new Maruti 800 (it 
was late eighties). The happiness was short lived-the new car was whisked away 
never to be seen again for Xongothon activities. Served him right for being 
materialistic!! 
2)  Try explaining this taxation to tea tribes who have to resort to strike 
every year for timely payment of few thousands of rupees as Puja bonus where as 
their employers have to pay millions of rupees to these outfits. By the way as 
you can see-the polarization is complete now. These guys will rip you apart if 
you talk of independence and taxation. There is no solidarity-leave alone on 
the ULFA front but also on the army atrocities on innocent people as long as 
people dying are from the other side of the fence.   
3)  Or to the GMC trained Assamese government doctor posted in Diphu 
donating part of his monthly salary to UPDS coffer. 
4)  Or to this Assamese teacher in NC Hills (few of the last remaining 
breed-will be forced to rush to plain as soon as Dimaraji is claimed) who is 
visited by Hindi speaking DHD cadres every month. 
5)  Or to those contractors who still dare to do some theeka thukali in 
Bodoland. 
 
By the way is there any rare instance of this taxed money being used for a 
purpose like monetary help to those innocent people killed by armed forces in 
the name of ULFA hunting? Do you know of any instances? 
 
STRATEGIC ALLINACE
Mahanta da –you gave a good justification why some of the ULFA leaders are 
holed up in BDesh. Strategic reason-good reasoning! Ram da unnecessarily 
lambasted you on this. Can I ask you a personal question? 
How far will you go on endorsing such spineless strategic alliance where the 
voice of the protagonist gets muffled by those pulling the strings? And if 
tomorrow they take this BDesh/ISI aided anti-India stance to extreme and 
declare that they would like to see Assam as an independent IRA (Islamic 
Republic of Assam) asking a segment of squabbling people forgo their religious 
independence for the sake of national independence of Assam. Will you still 
support them and endorse this as a "strategic shift". Or you have set some 
limit up to which you will go on supporting ULFA's strategic allian

Re: [Assam] End this disease called ULFA

[SANDIP DUTTA]

The Crocodile crying from its lair:

http://www.assamtribune.com/scripts/details.asp?id=may1507/at04

while continuing to kill innocents - parents, brothers, sisters, everybody

http://www.assamtribune.com/scripts/details.asp?id=may1507/at03

Rgds,
Sandip


- Original Message 
From: Jyotirmoy Sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 9:14:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] End this disease called ULFA


I believe that Ram has explained the points very aptly.  Just adding a few 
comments.


>*** Is this for a fact or a demonstration  of  profound ignorance of modern 
>history?
>Would you like to explain?


I do not hear the Nagas, Manipuris blowing up their own population in the name 
of freedom struggle. They may have had conflicts within their groups and may 
have fought and killed rival group members but never have they targeted the 
general population.
Would you still believe in their cause and their means had you lost a family 
member in one of their indiscriminate blasts? 




> I suspect you and JS intended SOME of the ULFA leaders, didn't you? Assuming 
> that  was what  it was, let me ask you this: If it were you, Ram >or JS, in 
> the position of those ULFA leaders, what would you do? Play STUPID and get 
> arrested or get erased in some  encounter, real or fake? Is >this some kind 
> of a question to make the ULFA leaders look  like 'cowards'? If it is, do you 
> think it is working?
Even in India's fight for independence we have had true revolutionaries who  
may have gone out of the country to seek  help to fight the enemy( British ) 
but they have come back to the country to fight for the cause they believed in. 
In ULFA's case the leaders have simply vanished from the battle zone and 
surrendered themselves to become pawns of Bangladeshi agents. 


>- They seek whereabouts of missing ULFA members, what about all the
>people they have killed. Are they going to give the reasons ? 
 
*** Another abjectly dumb question again. These are people fighting and dying 
for a cause.
Mr Mahanta, try telling that to someone who has lost a loved one by ULFA's guns 
or their blasts. 
It is not hard to realize that there is no "cause" they are fighting for. The 
ULFA leaders are prominent Bangladeshi citizens now and living up their life 
with extortion money while their lower rungs are dodging bullets, army and the 
people in general. 


Mr Mahanta, you would do well to realize the ground facts. The Bodos, Karbis, 
Dimasas, Bengalis( from the Barak valley) do not support the ULFA nor have they 
given them the onus to act/speak on their behalf. A few Assamese may still feel 
for the terrorists but they are a dying breed. I would have thought there is 
more support for the outfit among the Assamese citizens in the US, the lack of 
response to my questions seem to suggest otherwise. 
 
J.Sharma




On 15/05/2007, at 9:40 AM, Ram Sarangapani wrote:


C'da
 
>*** Is this for a fact or a demonstration  of  profound ignorance of modern 
>history? 
>Would you like to explain?
 
Let me try!
 
First of, the ulfa cannot really be considered "revolionaries". A revolution 
(Like the French etc) are a mass-scale uprising of some sort against an 
establishment. The ulfa (as some would like to elevate) is nowhere close to 
that lable 

So, in that context, modern revolutions have always been about "protecting the 
masses" against tyrants. In the Assam context, can you give some stark examples 
where such a thing has happened? And yes, C'da why is these "home-grown" 
revoltionaries hell bent on killing and looting from Assamese people (and don't 
forget Dhemaji) - now there was a great example of your revolutionaries giving 
up blood & treasure (of course, it matters little that blood spilled was not 
theirs). 
 
> I suspect you and JS intended SOME of the ULFA leaders, didn't you? Assuming 
> that  was what  it was, let me ask you this: If it were you, Ram >or JS, in 
> the position of those ULFA leaders, what would you do? Play STUPID and get 
> arrested or get erased in some  encounter, real or fake? Is >this some kind 
> of a question to make the ULFA leaders look  like 'cowards'? If it is, do you 
> think it is working?
 
If the 'leaders' were holed up in B'desh and making war plans/strategic plans 
against the big, bad ogre called India, it may have carried some semblence of 
resptability - but to hole up elsewhere, goad/egg other to the battles, and all 
the while amass huge personal wealth, (as reported by the US think tank - 
Stratfor. com), getting help from BD intel and ISI (who will just as easily 
slit an Assamese throat as they would an "Indian") is beyond me. 
 
So, now this "holing up" in Bangladesh is really a strategic plan - could have 
knocked me out with a feather! How could I have missed that
 
>First off, if 'THEY' were residing in a foreign land, why is it that India and 
>Indians claim 
 >ULFA is fighting in Assam? Isn't that a 

Re: [Assam] Media bias?

[SANDIP DUTTA]

Dear Ram Da,

Unfortunately these days newspapers thrive more on bad news. And you must admit 
that the NE does contribute more than its fair share of bad news. The only 
difference is that a few years back the national dailies were not taking 
notice...but now they report it big time. Competing with NE for doom and gloom 
are ofcourse states like Bihar, UP and Chattisgarh. 

To some, it may seem like bias when the good news is missing most of the time. 
Guess its a matter of opinion in the end.

Rgds,
SD




- Original Message 
From: Ram Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Assamnet 
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2007 2:38:45 AM
Subject: [Assam] Media bias?


Is there a media bias toward Assam? Netters have often voiced their opinion - 
one way or the another. While the Sentinel and the AT are NOT considered to be 
fair by some, what about the other newspapers and radio/TV in Assam and what 
about media countrywide and as well as internationally? 
 
Would like hear what netters feel.
 
--Ram
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Re: [Assam] Fw: India’s Skills Famine

[SANDIP DUTTA]

That was a good read. Thanks for forwarding.

Rgds,
SD


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Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 9:30:10 PM
Subject: [Assam] Fw: India’s Skills Famine




http://www.newyorker.com/talk/2007/04/16/070416ta_talk_surowiecki

THE NEW YORKER 

The Financial Page 

India’s Skills Famine 

by James Surowiecki 

April 16, 2007 

The economic transformation of India is one of the great business stories of 
our time. As stifling government regulations have been lifted, entrepreneurship 
has flourished, and the country has become a high-powered center for 
information technology and pharmaceuticals. Indian companies like Infosys and 
Wipro are powerful global players, while Western firms like G.E. and I.B.M. now 
have major research facilities in India employing thousands. India’s seemingly 
endless flow of young, motivated engineers, scientists, and managers offering 
developed-world skills at developing-world wages is held to be putting American 
jobs at risk, and the country is frequently heralded as “the next economic 
superpower.” 

But India has run into a surprising hitch on its way to superpower status: its 
inexhaustible supply of workers is becoming exhausted. Although India has one 
of the youngest workforces on the planet, the head of Infosys said recently 
that there was an “acute shortage of skilled manpower,” and a study by Hewitt 
Associates projects that this year salaries for skilled workers will rise 
fourteen and a half per cent, a sure sign that demand for skilled labor is 
outstripping supply. 

How is this possible in a country that every year produces two and a half 
million college graduates and four hundred thousand engineers? Start with the 
fact that just ten per cent of Indians get any kind of post-secondary 
education, compared with some fifty per cent who do in the U.S. Moreover, of 
that ten per cent, the vast majority go to one of India’s seventeen thousand 
colleges, many of which are closer to community colleges than to four-year 
institutions. India does have more than three hundred universities, but a 
recent survey by the London Times Higher Education Supplement put only two of 
them among the top hundred in the world. Many Indian graduates therefore enter 
the workforce with a low level of skills. A current study led by Vivek Wadhwa, 
of Duke University, has found that if you define “engineer” by U.S. standards, 
India produces just a hundred and seventy thousand engineers a year, not four 
hundred thousand. Infosys says that, of 1.3 million applicants
 for jobs last year, it found only two per cent acceptable. 

There was a time when many economists believed that post-secondary education 
didn’t have much impact on economic growth. The really important educational 
gains, they thought, came from giving rudimentary skills to large numbers of 
people (which India still needs to do—at least thirty per cent of the 
population is illiterate). They believed that, in economic terms, society got a 
very low rate of return on its investment in higher education. But lately that 
assumption has been overturned, and the social rate of return on investment in 
university education in India has been calculated at an impressive nine or ten 
per cent. In other words, every dollar India puts into higher education creates 
value for the economy as a whole. Yet India spends roughly three and a half per 
cent of its G.D.P. on education, significantly below the percentage spent by 
the U.S., even though India’s population is much younger, and spending on 
education should be proportionately higher. 

The irony of the current situation is that India was once considered to be 
overeducated. In the seventies, as its economy languished, it seemed to be a 
country with too many engineers and Ph.D.s working as clerks in government 
offices. Once the Indian business climate loosened up, though, that meant 
companies could tap a backlog of hundreds of thousands of eager, skilled 
workers at their disposal. Unfortunately, the educational system did not adjust 
to the new realities. Between 1985 and 1997, the number of teachers in India 
actually fell, while the percentage of students enrolled in high school or 
college rose more slowly than it did in the rest of the world. Even as the need 
for skilled workers was increasing, India was devoting relatively fewer 
resources to producing them. 

Since the Second World War, the countries that have made successful leaps from 
developing to developed status have all poured money, public and private, into 
education. South Korea now spends a higher percentage of its national income on 
education than nearly any other country in the world. Taiwan had a system of 
universal primary education before its phase of hypergrowth began. And, more 
recently, Ireland’s economic boom was spurred, in part, by an opening up and 
expansion of primary and se

Re: [Assam] Air Marshal spills beans on 'hypocrisy'

[SANDIP DUTTA]

Telegraph spinning stories may be true...all the newspapers do it when they 
want to.

How many "Bengali" heads of Eastern command has the editor seen in the last 60 
yrs?

Rgds,
Sandip


- Original Message 
From: Shantikam Hazarika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Saikia, Hrishikesh IN BLR SISL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; assamonline@yahoogroups.com; 
assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2007 11:04:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Air Marshal spills beans on 'hypocrisy'

It seems to be mischievous reporting again. None of the local dailies have 
twisted what Borbora said the way Telegraph has done. You will find that the 
quotation attributed to Borbora in the Telegraph does not justify the heading 
or the leading paragraph.. Nor was it Borbora's first observation. The 
Telegraph is trying to twist Borbora's statement by implying that (according to 
Borbora) the senior officers in the forces are hypocrites. He himself being s 
senior officer could not have said it, but the way the telegraph has reported, 
it gets implied. 
Needless to state the Telegraph editor, sitting in kolkata has found it a bit 
unpalatable that an Assamese is heading the Eastern Command. Hence he had to 
see how he can 'spin' the news so that at least some feathers in the forces 
would get ruffled which may be detrimental to borbora's career. 
Shantikam hazarika


On 4/3/07, Saikia, Hrishikesh IN BLR SISL < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Air Marshal spills beans on 'hypocrisy'
OUR CORRESPONDENT 
 
Barbora speaks at the media conference in Shillong. Picture by Eastern 
Projections 
Shillong, April 2: The indifference of successive governments and 
disillusionment with the "hypocritical" conduct of seniors have forced a large 
number of officers from the Northeast to quit the services. 
That was Air Marshal P.K. Barbora's first observation after he assumed charge 
as air officer commanding-in-chief of the Eastern Air Command.
Addressing a news conference in Shillong, Barbora said several efficient young 
officers of the Northeast were leaving the services because they were "highly 
sentimental" and could not cope with the "hypocritical" attitude of their 
seniors. 
"The indifferent attitude of the earlier governments towards the Northeast, 
coupled with a feeling of alienation, have led the defence forces to a 
situation where it has a negligible number of personnel from the Northeast. 
Earlier governments tried to use the same yardstick for all problems in the 
region and that led to chaos," he said, adding that the situation was changing 
gradually. 
The officer said modernisation of airfields like the one at Tezpur in Assam was 
on his list of priorities, as was the implementation of the Force Multipliers 
Programme. Sophisticated missiles are to be added to the IAF's arsenal under 
this programme

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Re: [Assam] Thoughts about how well ones own Bangla is running

[SANDIP DUTTA]

The desi intelligentsia who you consider "clueless" and "apathetic" is actually 
mostly young, connected, concerned, eager to help in positive ways AND most 
importantly, more in sync with todays realities than dwelling in yesterdays 
prejudiceswhich are better than many "intelligent" NRa - non 
resident/non-relevant :-)

Rgds,
Sandip




- Original Message 
From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Ram Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 1:03:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Thoughts about how well ones own Bangla is running


Ram:


>And you will also have noticed that many of us have also pointed this out 
>numerous times >here.




*** To tell you the truth I have NOT  seen those being pointed out here, except 
by one or perhaps two persons :-), whose views are usually rejected by the 
defenders of desi-demokrasy.


You can contribute YOUR fair share by speaking out and pointing to the issues 
that YOU see as problems Ram :-). That will place you at a level much higher 
than the average desi-intelligentsia who is  either clueless or apathetic or 
defensive or a tossed-salad of all. The desi-intelligentsia's ABSENCE from 
their governance is one of its most glaring deficiencies as *I* see it.




> To them even malgoveranance, corruption etc in Assam are also traced back to 
> India - its >India's damn fault.


*** WHOSE fault do you think it is Ram? Why don't YOU tell us who it is/they are
and tell us what share of the blame they carry as seen by a fair-and-balanced 
person such as yourself. And I am sure you will also give us a little 
explanation of WHY you believe who the responsible parties are.




>So, maybe it NOT because they want to "destroy" India, but when they showcase 
>these problems >in India, they seem to think that these are justifications for 
>Assam to be free from the >clutches of the evil empire. 




*** Well,YOU can tell us WHY it is NOT a reason to leave India's dysfunctional 
system. Go ahead and tell the 'India-haters' how Assam can do well  by itself , 
all on its own, still being controlled by Delhi's designs. I am sure you will 
cite here those OTHERS who are doing splendidly on their own and how Assam can 
emulate them, won't you?




>Oh! I knew you would bring that up. But you fail to realize that what Ahmad is 
>>advocating for at the moment is all about Bangladesh. He is NOT advocating 
>that >Bangladesh be broken up nor is he advocating the separation of say 
>Khulna >district because Dhaka is incorrigible.


*** You avoided asking the question that I gave you as the clue to the answer . 
Try asking that question Ram. WHY did B'Desh break from THEIR 'original' 
COUNTRY, Pakistan? And why did Indians like you applauded when that happened?


I know it is one of those extremely unpalatable questions that tend to get 
stuck in the craws of desi-patriots. But if you try hard enough it will come 
out. And believe me, it would be a whole lot better than to present an 
explanation like you did above . It is unbecoming if you asked me :-).




>ah! but you are jumping the gun here. IF Assam were already independent, and 
>>then I would have joined hands here in advocating a better, democratic, 
>>corruption-free Assam :)




*** I know you would Ram. I remember that well. Isn't it the credo of the POOR
folks ( Probaxi Oxomiyas Opposed to Reforms)? Or was it of the Probaxi Oxomiyas 
Conditionally Opposed to Reforms :-)?




>I would rather advocate as Ahmad does for the betterment of the country that 
>>exists at the moment - INDIA :).


*** Once again, show your credibility by explaining HOW. That would shut them 
'anti-Indians' up.


>Bottom line C'd, one would be more amenable if criticisms against India's 
>>system of governance etc,


*** But that is not a problem for those who are VICTIMS of Indian misgovernment.
That is a problem only for those who are in charge of perpetuating the 
make-believe, of holding that facade of desi-demokrasy up to the world.


c-da












At 1:27 PM -0600 3/23/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
C'da,
 
Sorry for not getting back earlier.
 
>Say NO to those who point it out, because it is anti-Indian, because it is 
>merely a ploy to >DESTROY India ?
 
I wish it were as simple as that. I think almost everyone in this forum will 
agree that there are big problems with India's (and Assam's) governance, 
equitable justice, and the "system". And you will also have noticed that many 
of us have also pointed this out numerous times here.
 
The difference between the critics (if you will) is that some are hell-bent to 
find fault with India's governance as some sort of conduit for their 
aspirations of Assam's independence. To them even malgoveranance, corruption 
etc in Assam are also traced back to India - its India's damn fault.
 
So, maybe it NOT because they want to "destroy" India, but when they showcase 
these problems in India, they seem to think that these are justifications for 
Assam to b

Re: [Assam] From Tehelka

[SANDIP DUTTA]

"This is a time for all revolutionary, democratic and nationality movements, 
like the ones in Kashmir and the Northeast to unite, and something will come 
out of this unity. We have very little expectations of the State and the 
comprador class that it represents."

Not really. What happened to all these tall statements in next door Nepal? Two 
days ago, 25 maoists were killed in clashes with the southern nepalese or 
Madheshis. Why? Because the Maoist ploy of flirting with local or ethnic 
sentiments which they claim to represent ends the moment they get into power. 
Ethnic priorities were never in sync with class war and Maoism. 
Varavara Rao the "poet" needs to clarify if any of Maoism's heroes - Mao, 
Stalin, Pol Pot were ever made to answer for the millions they mass-murdered 
under their brutal, autocratic and dictatorial regimes.  


- Original Message 
From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 1:49:46 AM
Subject: [Assam] From Tehelka



'If the State is violent, there will be counter-violence'

Revolutionary poet and ideologue Varavara Rao

How do you react when Maoists enact a brutal massacre such as this?

 It is only the symptom of what is happening on the ground. The issue is 
simple. Multinationals are making huge inroads with the help of corrupt 
governments and contractors. The Maoists' movement had stopped the mnc drain on 
the region's resources, but of late they have begun to exploit the area again. 
In addition, the government is repressing people in the name of Salva Judum, 
which is nothing but a State-sponsored war upon the people. The media has 
reported more than 50 policemen killed in the incident, but do you know 39 of 
them were Salva Judum activists whom the government has armed and given 
uniforms?

'The government is repressing people in the name of Salva Judum, which is a 
State-sponsored war'
Do you justify violence as a political tactic, though?

 What is the option? You must ask this question to the State which is the main 
instrument of violence today. Those who stand up for the rights of the masses 
often have no recourse but to resist State violence; Maoists are indulging in 
counter-violence, that's all, they have to defend themselves.

Is there a possibility they could give up arms and begin talks?

 Again, ask the State. If it ends Salva Judum and the people of the area are 
allowed to return home safe, there will be a reduction in violence. But if the 
State continues to oppress people, there will be retaliation.

How do you respond to a ceasefire proposal?

 Let the government declare it, the revolutionary movement will take a 
decision. More than 60 people were killed in Nandigram by the State and nobody 
calls that violence. These were people trying to protect their land and the 
police just butchered them. There is no outcry about that kind of violence. 
Why? When the State is so violent, there will be violence in society.

Where do you see the movement heading? Is there a goal in sight?

 This is a time for all revolutionary, democratic and nationality movements, 
like the ones in Kashmir and the Northeast to unite, and something will come 
out of this unity. We have very little expectations of the State and the 
comprador class that it represents.

 Sankarshan Thakur
Mar 31 , 2007
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Re: [Assam] Thoughts about how well ones own Bangla is running

[SANDIP DUTTA]

For India - the solution seems to be "Divide first - then we will see :-)"

Rgds,
Sandip


- Original Message 
From: Ram Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 10:14:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Thoughts about how well ones own Bangla is running


Thank you Mukul da for forwarding this article by Ahmad.
 
And C'da, you hit the nail right on the head. Having read the article (several 
times over), I completely agree with you. I too can see the "misgovernment" in 
the Indian context.
 
I am quoting some of the sentences that Ahmad writes. They intrigue me. 
(Highlights mine)
 
>I have spent hours debating, discussing and arguing about the developments in 
>>my country, often told 'why you bother when none of this affects you, when 
>your >opinions would make little difference if at all'. 

>I wondered on the comments yet my brain continues to think, the >love for my 
>motherland is on the rise and is showing no sign of >abating. 

And, quite a few more lines like the above. Ahmad, obviously has a lot of love 
and respect for his country. In spite of his take that his country has given 
him precious little, he still has a great interest and is seeking ways to 
improve the lot of his country.
 
It is intriguing, that Ahmad has NOT followed some in the subcontinent who seek 
to divide their country. Nor does he seek independence for one portion or the 
other because he feels his country's leaders  are useless. Nor does he take up 
arms because the system is broken, and there is malgovernance. 
 
He is able to visualize all the problems, but is able to think positively on 
ways to rebuild his country.
 
There is a big difference between what Ahmad is advocating and what some 
netters may be thinking. Ahmad is for a united, and a truely democratic 
Bangaldesh. This in definitely NOT what some of our esteemed netters have in 
store for India :):) 
 
--Ram
 

 
On 3/20/07, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
This is a thinking man! Those Netters who read the article carefully, will see 
the image of their own Indian misgovernment reflected here, accurately. He has 
his fingers exactly on the problems, even though the solution proposed, while 
being one of the elements of a series of measures, is not entirely adequate. 

 
Ahmad is right about the party loyalty as a source of the problem. It is the 
same thing as electioneering on party lines and NOT on ISSUES. But it is only 
one of the problems. Another big issue is the effectiveness of the INSTITUTIONS 
of democracy. Yet another is the ability to make the able and the willing to 
participate in their governance. 

 
I highlight some of the points below, because we discussed these too. 
Unfortunately our netters were unwilling to see what stares at them. Perhaps 
this article will sink in a tad bit better :-).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
At 11:02 PM +0530 3/20/07, mc mahant wrote:
By Talha J Ahmad, UK

 

I have written extensively on the current crisis engulfing my country. I have 
spent many nights and day, many hours of my busy life far away from my 
homeland, I have spent hours debating, discussing and arguing about the 
developments in my country, often told 'why you bother when none of this 
affects you, when your opinions would make little difference if at all'. I 
wondered on the comments yet my brain continues to think, the love for my 
motherland is on the rise and is showing no sign of abating. 

I wondered about the past of my country, present and the future. I wondered of 
the patriotism of my leaders, political and otherwise, I wonder even now of the 
patriotism and the genuine motives of the current government, I wonder of the 
extraordinary remarks of our head of Armed forces. My wondering comes to no 
end, it continues without an end on the horizon. But why do I wonder? I 
pondered on possible answers to my paradox, but found none credible. However, I 
guess I can confidently say all these wondering of my mind is a process 
instigated by my feeling and concerns for my country, a country that has not 
given me much, but I still feel indebted to. It is my love and affection for my 
country, my genuine desire to see her flourish with all her children, my firm 
belief on her potential that keeps telling me to wonder further and as part of 
that process I seek to speculate on some ideas. 

The turn of 20th century has been marked by freedom movement, wanting to be 
free from repressions, colonization. People wanted to be free to speak, to earn 
and to work. Freedom movement led us to have new states with new political 
culture. 

The triumph of the last century however was the end of love for dictatorship 
and the rising of a new era for democracy. Democracy seemed to have offered 
hope to bring about social justice and economic freedom. Democracy has shown us 
sign of empowering people and giving all citizens a way of being their own 
master, the master of owns 

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[SANDIP DUTTA]

Did it take that long to reply "Et Tu Brute"?

Actually didnt you realize that all your comments fully qualify for the above 
compliment :-)


- Original Message 
From: mc mahant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 12:30:24 PM
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Et tu Brute!
 
Nonsense
mm






From: SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: mc mahant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: assam@assamnet.org
Subject: Re: [Assam] this was sent to me by a colleague, worth considering / 
our Indian press and media / The 33rd NationalGames
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 02:08:01 -0800 (PST)


Nonesense or Nonesense? 


 
- Original Message 
From: mc mahant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 1:25:51 PM
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Virebder Sehwag
b or n-- they will!
Bannh Khorir zooii ! That's what India is Busy burning  
And Re this garbled nonesense:
We people in NE are worried lot... you know why? Not because of extremists 
violence, but because  we  simply can not grow, since  industries does not 
comes up here... why ? How can the big corporates come (just a question: would 
India have developed to this extent had East India not set foot here in India?) 
when so bad impression about us is given to them
This is the solid reason why India should gladly let Assam go Sovereign. I love 
this!
mm





From:  "Manoj Das" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:  "PRASANTA BORA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC:  Partha Gogoi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,Bidyananda Barkakoty <[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>,Pankaj Gogoi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,Mamun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mitra 
Kalita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,Pratul Kalita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,Shantikam <[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>, Sonal Desai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,Wahid Saleh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
ASSAMNET 
Subject:  Re: [Assam] this was sent to me by a colleague,worth considering / 
our Indian press and media / The 33rd NationalGames
Date:  Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:19:24 +0530


The media all over the world has become like that. Sensationalise. Everyone is 
under pressure for more readership and TRPs.

A hurted groin of Virebder Sehwag will get more TV time and newsprint than all 
the National Games put together. The National Games in Guwahati is no 
exception, how many of you heard about the NG at Hyderabad? 


-mk



On 2/20/07, PRASANTA BORA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
Sonal,
Hope you do not take it as an NE (North East) offensive on you

We people in NE are worried lot... you know why? Not because of extremists 
violence, but because  we  simply can not grow, since  industries does not 
comes up here... why ? How can the big corporates come (just a question: would 
India have developed to this extent had East India not set foot here in India?) 
when so bad impression about us is given to them? 


I echo Parthas feeling... just visit this link: 
<http://in.rediff.com/news/assam.htm> .. 

According to it, nothing happened here in Assam since November... but only 
thing happening still is extremism...is Assam a synonym of ULFA? This page 
would make you think so! And the page is updated till 16th Feb! This is just an 
example. 


Excuse me for venting the emotions and it is nothing personal!
We are really a worried lot and hope you people in media would help us in 
establishing what we are!

With regards,

P. Bora. 



On 2/20/07, Partha Gogoi <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote: 
Sonal,
  That was interesting reading. Thanks! But that is totally true of some of our 
Indian media.
While missing out on the real heroes(which they think is mundane), some of them 
focus on the
glamorous. Ultimately, it is the same kind of indulgence that the media in the 
US is - keep 

bombarding people with images of hopeless individuals such as Anna Nicole 
Smith(who does not
deserve any news coverage).

One more case in point - the recently concluded 33rd National Games in 
Guwahati, Assam was 

declared the best ever by Indian Olympic Association President Mr Suresh 
Kalmadi. If one were to
look at it in isolation, one might ask - what is the "big" deal? Its only a 
sporting event, one
might say. Given the recent carnage and killings of the poor by ULFA and its 
threat to disrupt the 

games and all the confusion, a total of 11,000 participants and officials 
descended upon Guwahati
city. The event went off without a major hitch - the state goverment managed to 
conduct it in the
best way possible - local newpaper reports accounts of athletes who said that 
they were initially 

very "apprehensive" about the security situation and found a totally different 
picture once they
land

Re: [Assam] From the AT

[SANDIP DUTTA]

 The quality of a newspaper is to be judged from the quality of the 
articles, opinions and news contained there-in, which are easily discernable by 
people with ordinary amount of intelligence.

---

Really? And does that point only to such insufferable know-alls such as 
yourself?

 No I did not. And I also did not know that she once cheated on her high 
school test, that she drinks alcohol and smokes 'bhang', that she wears western 
clothes and does not wear a 'bindi', that she reads books banned in India, that 
she has Pakistani friends, that she does not go to temples, that she is a 
vegan, that she was paid to speak in a New York conference known to espouse 
liberal causes and other such high-crimes and misdemeanors.



I too have Pakistani friends. But that does not mean I am not a good citizen of 
my country. People like AR only have nuisance value and they provide good 
entertaintment in the Indian media to such "ordinary" people like us who crave 
for a laugh once a while.

Ofcourse, since your objective is specific, your selective pickings from 
eccectricities appearing in desi rags doesnt surprise me.

BTW, Arundhati is "Suzzana" Arundhati Roy - Bengali father and Keralite 
Christian mother...so I wouldnt be surprised if she chose not to wear a bindi 
or go to a temple. Anyway, her personal religious beliefs dont bother me and 
dont have any relation to this contextjust like the price of Cha in Cha-ina.

 Uh-huh! I know that. I also know of other similar theories and beliefs 
about everything imaginable under the sun that Indians are mired in, including 
its world class brain-trust.

But again, what does that have to do with the price of tea in China, or for 
that matter with what AR writes in the article in question?

--
I didnt realise the similarity of Dec-13 to Sep-11 and the conspiracy theories 
around it would escape someone of extraordinary intellect such as you :-)






- Original Message 
From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 1:18:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] From the AT


>Well researched indeed! - Arent they cut pastes from various desi "rags" such 
>>as Outlook India.


*** The quality of a newspaper is to be judged from the quality of the 
articles, opinions and news contained there-in, which are easily discernable by 
people with ordinary amount of intelligence.


How does Outlook India fare on that, compared to say, the English mouthpieces 
from Assam or such jewels of the desi media as The Statesman, The Telegraph, 
The Indian Express ? I'll let netters decide that for themselves.


>Did you know that Arundhati was once caught peddling drugs in Goa with a 
>Firang >boyfriend.


*** No I did not. And I also did not know that she once cheated on her high 
school test, that she drinks alcohol and smokes 'bhang', that she wears western 
clothes and does not wear a 'bindi', that she reads books banned in India, that 
she has Pakistani friends, that she does not go to temples, that she is a 
vegan, that she was paid to speak in a New York conference known to espouse 
liberal causes and other such high-crimes and misdemeanors.


But what does that have to do with the quality of what she wrote in this 
article and the substantiation for the opinions she expressed, the 
substantiation being documentation in the public record and thus very easily 
verifiable and /or challenged? Have anyone been able to rebut anything she put 
forth in this piece?
>Dont trust junkie "activists".


*** Words of the wise no doubt. But it really amounts to bad mouthing someone 
when one cannot rebut or refute what gives one heart-burn. Not something a 
mature and intelligent person would indulge in.


>Also remember how she melodramatically asked 13 questions on this issue - like 
>>as if she would have had 14 questions if the attack was on the 14th of Dec.


*** Is this the coup-de-grace to finally put to rest AR's arguments?


>There is also a video on the net which says that Sep 11 is actually the 
>>handiwork of the CIA, FBI etc...another one also on man's first moon landing 
>>and it says it was a hoax played on us people :-)


*** Uh-huh! I know that. I also know of other similar theories and beliefs 
about everything imaginable under the sun that Indians are mired in, including 
its world class brain-trust.


But again, what does that have to do with the price of tea in China, or for 
that matter with what AR writes in the article in question?




cm




At 2:15 AM -0800 2/23/07, SANDIP DUTTA wrote:
Well researched indeed! - Arent they cut pastes from various desi "rags" such 
as Outlook India.
 
Did you know that Arundhati was once caught peddling drugs in Goa with a Firang 
boy

Re: [Assam] From the AT

[SANDIP DUTTA]

Well researched indeed! - Arent they cut pastes from various desi "rags" such 
as Outlook India.

Did you know that Arundhati was once caught peddling drugs in Goa with a Firang 
boyfriend. I remember reading that in Telegraph in a biography on her published 
after she won the Booker prize. 

Dont trust junkie "activists". 

Also remember how she melodramatically asked 13 questions on this issue - like 
as if she would have had 14 questions if the attack was on the 14th of Dec.

There is also a video on the net which says that Sep 11 is actually the 
handiwork of the CIA, FBI etc...another one also on man's first moon landing 
and it says it was a hoax played on us people :-)


Rgds,
Sandip


- Original Message 
From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Ram Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 4:53:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] From the AT


Ram:


You don't have to take my word for it. But if you go do your homework, I am 
sure  you will see the travesty .


I learned only because I read Arundhati Roy's well researched and documented 
article. I think I posted it in Assam Net. She was challenged by one Chandan 
Das, a journalist I think, about her pointing fingers to the need for a trigger
to launch a war against Pakistan. But she had her homework done thoroughly and 
proved her point clearly from the published utterances by both ABV and another 
big name in the NDA govt. You will find it all in the archives of Outlook India.


c-da


















At 11:44 AM -0600 2/20/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
C'da,
 
I am sure what you say is correct (about Afzal). From what little I read about 
the case in the media, I came out with the impression that he was deep into it.
 
>more than likely, were created by Indian spooks at the behest of the highest 
>echelons of >government in a scheme to provide the excuse for a war with 
>Pakistan that went awry. They >are either six-feet under or are safely stowed 
>away by the same keepers of the Justice
 
I, obviously, did not realize the extent to which the GOI and its spooks would 
go to orchestrate such a sinister plot. :)
 
But then, I would have to go back and do my home work (and revisit this topic)
 
--Ram
 


 
On 2/20/07, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Are you saying, Afzal is innocent?

 
*** That is a misleading question. INNOCENT of WHAT?

 
A capital crime? Not to anyone who has an ordinary amount of reasoning ability 
and is willing to look at the public record of the trials and the cooked 
evidence. The world knows he was framed by Indian justice system. Even the SC's 
own words sending him to the gallows are damning. Why do you think they haven't 
done a Saddam on him yet? It is not the fear of Kashmiris rising in outrage, 
but of world opinion.

 
Yes, Afzal did play a small role in the conspiracy. But it does not amount to a 
capital crime. Circumstantial evidence abounds to indicate that the real 
culprits, more than likely, were created by Indian spooks at the behest of the 
highest echelons of government in a scheme to provide the excuse for a war with 
Pakistan that went awry. They are either six-feet under or are safely stowed 
away by the same keepers of the Justice.

 

 

 

 

 

 
At 9:28 AM -0600 2/20/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:

Wasn't Afzal the guy who attacked the Parliament (or masterminded it) and 
killed a number of guards?

 

I have not followed the case closely, but Afzal received the best justice that 
Indian conditions allow, and furthemore, had it been some other (low profile) 
person, Afzal would have already been hung - what with the righteous protests 
and evn Pakistan wanting the GOI to let Afzak go free.

 

Are you saying, Afzal is innocent?

 

--Ram

 

On 2/20/07, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

No, I am overwhelmed by the righteous assurances of delivering JUSTICE.


 

Just ask Mohammed Afzal, sentenced to hang in the Parliament Shooting case.

 


 


 


 


 


 

At 8:43 AM -0600 2/20/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:

I hope we are not confusing the PM (or the GOI) with the LeT (who supposedly 
blew up the train).

 

--Ram

 

On 2/20/07, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

India will ensure punishment of guilty: PM
 Prime Minister Manmohan Singh today assured Pakistan that India was committed 
to doing everything possible to ensure that perpetrators of the "heinous" 
terrorist act on Samjhauta Express were punished, reports


 


 


 

*** I am overwhelmed!


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[SANDIP DUTTA]

Nonesense or Nonesense? 



- Original Message 
From: mc mahant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 1:25:51 PM
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Virebder Sehwag
b or n-- they will!
Bannh Khorir zooii ! That's what India is Busy burning  
And Re this garbled nonesense:
We people in NE are worried lot... you know why? Not because of extremists 
violence, but because  we  simply can not grow, since  industries does not 
comes up here... why ? How can the big corporates come (just a question: would 
India have developed to this extent had East India not set foot here in India?) 
when so bad impression about us is given to them
This is the solid reason why India should gladly let Assam go Sovereign. I love 
this!
mm





From:  "Manoj Das" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:  "PRASANTA BORA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC:  Partha Gogoi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,Bidyananda Barkakoty <[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>,Pankaj Gogoi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,Mamun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mitra 
Kalita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,Pratul Kalita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,Shantikam <[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>, Sonal Desai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,Wahid Saleh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
ASSAMNET 
Subject:  Re: [Assam] this was sent to me by a colleague,worth considering / 
our Indian press and media / The 33rd NationalGames
Date:  Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:19:24 +0530


The media all over the world has become like that. Sensationalise. Everyone is 
under pressure for more readership and TRPs.

A hurted groin of Virebder Sehwag will get more TV time and newsprint than all 
the National Games put together. The National Games in Guwahati is no 
exception, how many of you heard about the NG at Hyderabad? 


-mk



On 2/20/07, PRASANTA BORA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
Sonal,
Hope you do not take it as an NE (North East) offensive on you

We people in NE are worried lot... you know why? Not because of extremists 
violence, but because  we  simply can not grow, since  industries does not 
comes up here... why ? How can the big corporates come (just a question: would 
India have developed to this extent had East India not set foot here in India?) 
when so bad impression about us is given to them? 


I echo Parthas feeling... just visit this link: 
 .. 

According to it, nothing happened here in Assam since November... but only 
thing happening still is extremism...is Assam a synonym of ULFA? This page 
would make you think so! And the page is updated till 16th Feb! This is just an 
example. 


Excuse me for venting the emotions and it is nothing personal!
We are really a worried lot and hope you people in media would help us in 
establishing what we are!

With regards,

P. Bora. 



On 2/20/07, Partha Gogoi <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote: 
Sonal,
  That was interesting reading. Thanks! But that is totally true of some of our 
Indian media.
While missing out on the real heroes(which they think is mundane), some of them 
focus on the
glamorous. Ultimately, it is the same kind of indulgence that the media in the 
US is - keep 

bombarding people with images of hopeless individuals such as Anna Nicole 
Smith(who does not
deserve any news coverage).

One more case in point - the recently concluded 33rd National Games in 
Guwahati, Assam was 

declared the best ever by Indian Olympic Association President Mr Suresh 
Kalmadi. If one were to
look at it in isolation, one might ask - what is the "big" deal? Its only a 
sporting event, one
might say. Given the recent carnage and killings of the poor by ULFA and its 
threat to disrupt the 

games and all the confusion, a total of 11,000 participants and officials 
descended upon Guwahati
city. The event went off without a major hitch - the state goverment managed to 
conduct it in the
best way possible - local newpaper reports accounts of athletes who said that 
they were initially 

very "apprehensive" about the security situation and found a totally different 
picture once they
landed in the city. Surely, this would have been good press material outside 
the North East.

If some militants are killing or bombing in remote locations or there is some 
social unrest in 

Assam/North East, it comes out in "screaming headlines" in the metro media 
(such as TOI /Indian
Express/Hindu/Telegraph etc). This time round, I was there visiting Guwahati in 
the middle of all
the "so-called" chaos. Life went on as usual!! Unfortunately, metro media  has 
not displayed any 

eagerness to report a "good", "positive" and "reinforcing" event such as the 
33rd National Games -
I had been scouring through the websites of the main newspapers - did not see 
any mention of it - 

rather it had been relegated to the Sports section of the newspaper. The 
headlines rather talk
about Sanjay Dutt or Abhishek-Ash and their kin or how some of our unknown 
Indian expatriates are
doing well abroad e

Re: [Assam] Answers for Chitta-II

[SANDIP DUTTA]

Does it have to be only Ram or Chitta who are on the same page? How about this 
editorial forwarded by Pradip K Dutta. 

No future to sovereignty demand
— Ranen Kumar Goswami
When guns pass for rationale and a thirst for innocent blood its basis, the 
conclusion that comes out is sure to stand on its head. Asom-India conflict is 
a poison fruit such a conclusion has borne. Add to it another half-baked wisdom 
from the distorted pages of our history, ‘Asom was never a part of India’. The 
heady cocktail is the theory of a sovereign Asom.

Asom was never a part of India and its forced inclusion in the country has 
created the Asom-India conflict. The United Liberation Front of Asom (ULFA) 
tries to shove this lesson of history down the throat of Asomiya people. Did 
Asom not have any ties with India in the past? Renowned intellectual Dr Shiva 
Nath Barman has reminded us of our mythological links. Asom had links with the 
mainland India from time immemorial. Kamrup king Bhagadatta fought for the 
Kauravas in the battle of Mahabharata and laid down his life. Krishna married 
Rukmini and Sankardev has immortalised the tale in his Rukmini Haran Kabya. 
Bhim married Hidimba. Arjuna married Chitrangada who was a princess from 
Manipur. Madhabdev wrote, Dhanya Dhanya Bharat Borish (Hail! O Bharat). 
Sankardev added a chapter to his Bhakti Ratnakar, the title and content of 
which was Bharatbarsha Prasansha (In praise of Bharatbarsha). From time 
immemorial, Asom has remained culturally and spiritually united with the 
mainland
 India. The country was never under one administrative umbrella till the 
British came. Most of the States were independent, Asom being one of them. The 
British brought all these States under one centralised administration. Today’s 
political unity of Indians is an outcome of the anti-British freedom struggle. 
The people of Asom joined this struggle and paid their share of the price for 
freedom with their life and blood. The political identity of being Indians that 
they carry in their Asomiya souls is the result of their participation in this 
struggle. This identity they have earned for themselves, no one has imposed it 
on them.

Asom has lost her political independence much before the Treaty of Yandaboo 
signed on February 24, 1826. Because, about four years ago, the Burmese army 
captured upper Asom and Guwahati. According to Dr Surya Kumar Bhuyan, June 21, 
1822, the day the Burmese occupied Asom was the last day of her independence. 
In fact, it was the last day of Asom’s independent political existence. At the 
time of Yandaboo, Asom had only five districts: undivided Kamrup, undivided 
Darrang, undivided Nagaon, undivided Sivasagar, undivided Lakhimpur and a part 
of Karbi Anglong. But does ULFA want to liberate the pre-Yandaboo Asom? No. It 
wants to liberate the present-day Asom; the Asom the British made bigger, the 
Asom the people of the State inherited from the British as a result of their 
anti-British struggle in which they had taken part shoulder-to-shoulder with 
the people of the rest of the country! The State has suffered dismemberment 
several times since 1947. Yet it is much bigger than
 the pre-Yandaboo Asom ULFA keeps talking about. Its guns can not silence this 
truth.

The States surrounding Asom do not want to secede from India though a section 
of people from Nagaland do. Even this section now appears to have given up 
their demand for sovereignty and settle for more federal powers within India. 
This section too is antagonising the people of three neighbouring States with 
its claim on their territories and thus is weakening its demand for Nagalim 
from within. Does ULFA want Asom to be an isolated island surrounded by States 
seeking to stay within India? But that too will not be possible as banners of 
revolt are already flying in Karbi Anglong, North Cachar Hills districts and 
Bodoland. Neither do they want to stay in Asom nor do they recognise ULFA as 
the sole representative of the State. The DHD, spearheading the movement for a 
Dimasa State, says it will remain firm in its demand for a Dimasa State within 
the Indian constitution irrespective of the success or failure of the 
ULFA-Government talks. Extremist Karbi organisation UPDS has
 alleged that ULFA represents the Asomiya people, not Asom; ULFA-nominated 
People’s Consultative Group (PCG) is conducting talks with Delhi for the 
Asomiya only, not Asom. Moreover, the organisation has pointed out that there 
is no tribal representative in the PCG. Bodo leadership’s tendency to leave 
Asom is too well-known to need any mention. The Bodo Peace Forum, playing a key 
role in bringing the NDFB into the peace process, has said its struggle for a 
separate Bodo State will continue at any cost.

The people of the Barak Valley do not want freedom of the ULFA brand and it is 
as clear as daylight. Do people of the Brahmaputra Valley want it, or for that 
matter, the Asomiya people want it? Not to speak of the

Re: [Assam] Now it is time for Indian Prime Minister and others to publicly apologise for Indians cal ling Assamese Mongolians 'Slit-Eyed gooks' an d Manipuris 'Chinkys' to start with and prose cute t

[SANDIP DUTTA]

Quite right - and the "racist desi" term does not exclude the Assamese - or for 
that matter anyone else. 

Rgds,
Sandip


- Original Message 
From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: AssamNet ; Ram Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 6:39:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Now it is time for Indian Prime Minister and others to 
publicly apologise for Indians cal ling Assamese Mongolians 'Slit-Eyed gooks' 
an d Manipuris 'Chinkys' to start with and prose cute the offenders.--2


Even Indians admit, in Indian media, that Indians are some of the most racist 
people on the globe today.


Recently there was a spate of articles on that point subsequent to the Shilpa 
Shetty episode in British TV.


Even we discussed the subject here in Assam Net, and more than once.




















At 1:18 PM -0600 2/9/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
C'da

>You have gotten off on a tangent, missing the point entirely
 
and I thought it was you, who did:)
 
The post was in context of BB that the Indian PM should apologize and your 
subsequent post of how "Indians" view and denigrate Assamese (and the NE folks).
 
While I can agree that there those individuals in other parts of India who do 
denigrate the entire NE and say mean things, you have to agree that Assamese 
themselves are not immune to such denigration when it comes to our neighbors in 
other states.
 
>However, even though those exact words might not have been used (actually the 
>>Hinglishwallas, scions of a >deeply racist desi-population
 
C'da - what is meant by a 'deeply racist desi-population'.
 
How comfortable are Assamese when dealing with Bodos, Khasis, Nagas etc? How 
would you rate the Assamese in this scale of 'racism'?
 
--Ram

 


 
On 2/9/07, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Ram:

 
You have gotten off on a tangent, missing the point entirely.

 
It was nothing to do with political correctness, and everything to do with a 
mind set; a mind set that devalues and ignores the humanity of the people of 
the NE, who don't look like the occupiers, don't talk like them, eat strange 
foods and worship different gods.

 
It is such a mind set, created by misinformation, dis-information,religious 
bigotries and the pervasive racism  that marks the Indian ethos, further  
augmented by such laws as the AFSPA and the ignorant and insensitive media that 
enables the occupying forces to take the lives of the likes of Nikhilesh, Bholu 
etc. so casually. The Punjabi officer would not have ordered the killing so far 
outside of his authority, had the victims been some of his own kind. And no one 
would have made the arguments to mitigate his guilt by suggesting that they 
could be ULFA.

 
Why? Because they look like them, don't they?

 
Why else?

 
c-da

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
At 10:24 AM -0600 2/9/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:

C'da,
>However, even though those exact words might not have been used (actually the 
>>Hinglishwallas, scions of a deeply racist desi-population could not come up 
>with such >a term to begin with) can you question the essence of what it says? 
>Manoj gave a >good literal, account of that earlier here in Assamnet

 

One hears of politically incorrect stuff like this all the time. But do you 
seriously think anyone who has lived in Assam would use such terms?

 

Do khar-khowas ever use similar language to describe Nagas, Khasis, Manipuris 
or others, or the common 'Maarwai belta', or 'Oi Bihari', or 'Bongal' or 
'Piyaan' - choice descriptions heard all over. Oh!, I am sure you might counter 
this by saying these are said lovingly, and we really don't mean anything by it 
:)

 

I did read Manoj's account (I think). And, yes, it does upset us when we hear 
stuff like that, but then are we holier than the rest? You tell me.

 

When you (not you personnaly) preach PC - it just can't be a one-way traffic, 
can it?

 

--Ram


 

On 2/9/07, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Ram:


 

>The term "Slit Eyed Gooks" was used by C'da.


 

*** Yes I do take credit :-). I try to use the power of words, in colorful ways 
when I can, to help register an idea. I knew it would upset some. Usually those 
who cannot face up to the realities that face them, something they would just 
as soon not confront. That was the whole idea.



 

However, even though those exact words might not have been used (actually the 
Hinglishwallas, scions of a deeply racist desi-population could not come up 
with such a term to begin with) can you question the essence of what it says? 
Manoj gave a good literal, account of that earlier here in Assamnet, if you 
missed.


 


 

c-da


 


 


 


 


 


 

At 8:58 AM -0600 2/9/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:

The term "Slit 

Re: [Assam] A letter from todays AT

[SANDIP DUTTA]

Well - Whats the need of having lingustic states in the first place? Just have 
districts only. Smaller area to manage for the great MLAs and therefore more 
accountability and less chances of goofing up.




- Original Message 
From: biswajeet saikia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2007 8:04:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] A letter from todays AT


I dont think it should have your problem. India should have maximum 50 state, 
1000 districts and 1 blocks with 10 gaon panchayts.Please read india 
2025 vision plan for more. 
where every community have thier stakes as independent entity. Bodo is not a 
exception.and of course Barak valley!

SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Forwarding a letter from todays ATand Ulfa still dreams about "Swadhin" 
Oxom when all its constituent peoples have their own seperate plans.
 
http://www.assamtribune.com/scripts/details.asp?id=feb0907/at05
 
Bodo state in 2 decades, says BTC chief
From Ramen Kalita
 KUMARIKATA (Nalbari), Feb 8 – Bodoland Territorial Council (BTC) chief Hagrama 
Mahiliary today asserted that the BTAD area must get a separate state of 
Bodoland within the next two decades and for that the infrastructure of the BTC 
areas will have to be developed in a peaceful atmosphere. He said that the BLT 
leadership in its talk with the Central Government came down from its separate 
state demand only due to lack of infrastructure needs for a state.

Addressing the open session of the Bodoland Peoples’ Progressive Front’s (BPPF) 
Tamulpur district conference at Kumarikata, the BTC chief expressed the hope 
that the people of BTAD will succeed reaching the goal of a separate State 
without resorting to any agitational movement. “The state and Central 
governments will be compelled to allow a separate state when we achieve our 
development”, Mahilary added. He urged all sections of the people to join hands 
to build a model BTC with all-round development.

Once a hardcore militant, Mahilary called upon all section of the people to 
maintain peace and tranquility for the development of BTC.

Later, talking to The Assam Tribune Mahilary said that in order to establish 
peace in the region the BTC leadership has taken the initiative to facilitate 
talks between Central government and NDFB at the earliest. He stated that the 
NDFB leadership will submit the list of demands by March as required by the 
Central government. “Then there will be no hurdle in the talks between NDFB and 
Centre”.

Mahilary further denied that there was any conflict between Bodos and 
Sarania-Kacharis over the ST status issue, stating that there was no community 
in the name of Sarania.

The open session inaugurated by Emanual Mosahary, executive member of Education 
department of BTC was addressed by PHE Minister Rihan Daimary and BPPF general 
secretary Biswajit Daimary.

In his address Biswajit Daimary said that after delimitation the BTAD will get 
14 seats of MLAs and two seats of MPs which will speed up the development 
activities in BTC areas.




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[Assam] A letter from todays AT

[SANDIP DUTTA]

Forwarding a letter from todays ATand Ulfa still dreams about "Swadhin" 
Oxom when all its constituent peoples have their own seperate plans.

http://www.assamtribune.com/scripts/details.asp?id=feb0907/at05

Bodo state in 2 decades, says BTC chief
From Ramen Kalita
 KUMARIKATA (Nalbari), Feb 8 – Bodoland Territorial Council (BTC) chief Hagrama 
Mahiliary today asserted that the BTAD area must get a separate state of 
Bodoland within the next two decades and for that the infrastructure of the BTC 
areas will have to be developed in a peaceful atmosphere. He said that the BLT 
leadership in its talk with the Central Government came down from its separate 
state demand only due to lack of infrastructure needs for a state.

Addressing the open session of the Bodoland Peoples’ Progressive Front’s (BPPF) 
Tamulpur district conference at Kumarikata, the BTC chief expressed the hope 
that the people of BTAD will succeed reaching the goal of a separate State 
without resorting to any agitational movement. “The state and Central 
governments will be compelled to allow a separate state when we achieve our 
development”, Mahilary added. He urged all sections of the people to join hands 
to build a model BTC with all-round development.

Once a hardcore militant, Mahilary called upon all section of the people to 
maintain peace and tranquility for the development of BTC.

Later, talking to The Assam Tribune Mahilary said that in order to establish 
peace in the region the BTC leadership has taken the initiative to facilitate 
talks between Central government and NDFB at the earliest. He stated that the 
NDFB leadership will submit the list of demands by March as required by the 
Central government. “Then there will be no hurdle in the talks between NDFB and 
Centre”.

Mahilary further denied that there was any conflict between Bodos and 
Sarania-Kacharis over the ST status issue, stating that there was no community 
in the name of Sarania.

The open session inaugurated by Emanual Mosahary, executive member of Education 
department of BTC was addressed by PHE Minister Rihan Daimary and BPPF general 
secretary Biswajit Daimary.

In his address Biswajit Daimary said that after delimitation the BTAD will get 
14 seats of MLAs and two seats of MPs which will speed up the development 
activities in BTC areas.


 

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Re: [Assam] Now it is time for Indian Prime Minister a nd others to publicly apologise for Indians calling Assame se Mongolians ‘Slit-Eyed gooks’ and Manipuris ‘Chink ys’ to start with and prosecute t

[SANDIP DUTTA]

When did other Indians call Assamese "Slit Eyed Gooks"? This term is used by 
your own friends here!




- Original Message 
From: Bartta Bistar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: AssamNet 
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2007 5:59:09 PM
Subject: [Assam] Now it is time for Indian Prime Minister and others to 
publicly apologise for Indians calling Assamese Mongolians ‘Slit-Eyed gooks’ 
and Manipuris ‘Chinkys’ to start with and prosecute the offenders.


Blair says sorry to harassed Shilpa
AMIT ROY 
http://samachar.com/showurl.php?rurl=http://www.telegraphindia.com/1070208/asp/nation/story_7365808.asp&news=Blair%20says%20sorry%20to%20harassed%20Shilpa&pubDate=Wed%2C+07+Feb++2007+21%3A16%3A41+GMT&keyword=telegraph_home
 
 
 
London, Feb. 7: Shilpa Shetty had a private 10-minute meeting today with Tony 
Blair who apologised to the Bollywood star for the abuse she had suffered on 
Celebrity Big Brother. 
After the meeting, which took place at the House of Commons, Shilpa interacted 
with a 100-strong medium scrum, consisting of journalists, photographers and TV 
cameramen from Britain, the US and a contingent which had flown in from India. 
The location was unusual — on the banks of the Thames river. Wearing a white 
Nita Lulla jacket with a sari and with her ubiquitous mother, Sunanda, by her 
side, Shilpa recounted: "The Prime Minister was really, really kind. He said 
that I carried myself with the utmost dignity." 
She added: "He said he was very sad to see what I had to go through in the (Big 
Brother) House. In turn, I said I really needed to thank him personally for all 
the support he showed me and my country. I took the opportunity and I thanked 
him. He was very, very sweet."
Earlier, the winner of Celebrity Big Brother sat in on "Prime Minister's 
Question Time" (when David Cameron, the Tory leader, said Blair should be 
evicted from the House). She said she was intrigued by the occasion and said 
Blair had shown a "sense of humour" with his answers. "I have never been to the 
Lok Sabha and I have come to the House of Commons." 
Shilpa was invited to the Commons by Keith Vaz, Labour MP for Leicester East, 
who said: "She went to the members' dining room. She met Tessa Jowell (culture 
secretary), who has given her a gift. The Prime Minister has given her a gift, 
signed by himself and Mrs (Cherie) Blair, a portrait of the House of Commons; 
she has had lunch — she had smoked salmon (good humoured shouts of 'oh, stop 
it', from Shilpa) followed by dessert, Shilpa's Delight, which was a selection 
of English desserts."
One suggestion she knocked down firmly was the idea, mooted by Vinod Khanna, 
that she would join the BJP. 
She told The Telegraph: "Oh, not at all. I have never really been 
politically-inclined. I don't know where this comes from (Vinod Khanna, she was 
told). No, it's very kind of him. I know him personally but nobody has spoken 
to me about joining any party and I don't intend to do so, not in the near 
future."
Summing up her day at Westminster, she said: "I thought it would be really 
boring actually but I really enjoyed it. I was pleasantly surprised." 
Vaz's nine-year-old daughter, Anjali, placed a traditional garland around the 
two guests before Shilpa posed for pictures. 
Asked what she thought was the main difference between the House of Commons and 
Big Brother House, she replied: "I think the main difference is that they were 
more polite in there (the Commons) and I don't get a chance to stay." She would 
be returning to India shortly as she "really missed" members of her family but 
would be returning to the UK to continue her AIDs charity work. 
 


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Re: [Assam] Killing at Galeki and a question for Mahanta da

[SANDIP DUTTA]

Excellent points!.

Rgds,
Sandip


- Original Message 
From: chittaranjan pathak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2007 9:29:12 PM
Subject: [Assam] Killing at Galeki and a question for Mahanta da


Dear Shri Mahanta da
Warm up
Thanks for the insight on the unfortunate Galeki
incidence. Yes you are right-CISF is meant to be
checking security passes and stuff like oil tanker
permits at the industrial installation gates, loading
bays etc. It was clearly a case of overstepping their
boundaries.
Somebody was asking-why they are given guns? Till
recently many of them were having only sticks. But now
they are guarding all the vital oil/gas/nuclear
installations other places like Akshardham,
parliament, airports etc and role includes warding off
terrorist attacks also. So guns are justified and so
would have been the killing had the shots been aimed
at some saboteur climbing a high security wall of an
oil installation with a khukri and a naked torch. 
But here it was a case of sheer ego boosting exercise.
CRPk dekhi uthil gaa, CISFe bule muku khaa. The
officer must be punished. But no body is going to
follow it up in Assam-so may be he will end up getting
secretly transferred to some oil installation in
Ankleswar basin. Are we in a position to do something
to force authorities punish such high handed arrogant
officials?   

Now my baptism of fire in Assamnet!
Coming to your last post where you refuted Ram da’s
anguished declaration that you are always the “fair
and balanced” by saying that your partisanship lies
with “my people’s” aspiration of “running their lives
as they say fit”. 
Respecting your siding and at the same time letting
you know that my heart also lies with the aspiration
of those same people for a “better life”, may I ask
you the following small question?
Background
By my people you must be referring to Assamese people
and by “running their lives as they say fit” you must
be meaning an independent Assam. Are the Assamese
people really aspiring to be free or independent from
India? Yes-some are. But not all of them-not the ones
I know of. As far as my relatives, friends, parents,
brothers, numerous cousins spread all over Assam are
concerned (and if you consider them “my own people”),
freedom from India is not much of an issue for them.
In fact for the younger ones-“freedom from Assam” is
the in thing now. Longevity of most of the Assamese
youths is now 18 years in Assam. After that all of
them want to come out of Assam-be it for job or for
studies. And those who stay back-many a times many of
them are frustrated with the Delhi government but at
the same time they are frustrated with the local
government run by their own people. But by and large
they never in realistic term contemplate a life away
from India. They just want to a better life and seem
to be quite weary of another neo-nation building
exercise. 
But if my ongohi bongohi are not representative
enough, do not the following point out that aspiration
for freedom is hardly an issue with the majority
people of Assam-Assamese as well as others?
1)AASU saying that it does not support independent
Assam. So does Asom Sahitya Sabha. Also now powerful
and vocal ethnic student bodies like AATASU, AKRSU 
etc have never endorsed this sovereignty demand.  
2)Poll conducted in Assam districts excluding Barak
valley (3 districts), hill councils (2 districts) and
BTC (4 districts), said 95% people One can not discard
the findings to be an orchestrated exercise as the
guys doing the polls were not fools to come up with
the findings knowing very well they can get killed for
what they are saying.
3)The Karbis and the Dimasas of the hill districts
always are always clamoring for certain degree of
autonomy from Assam government but are never aligned
with ULFA’s Swadhin Asom demand. Same is the case with
Mishing, Tiwa and Rabha student bodies
4)Three major communities of Assam-Ahoms,
Koch-Rajbongshis and Tea garden tribes are demanding
scheduling under Indian constitution. Ultimate goal is
perceived economic prosperity and more representation
through reservation and independent Assam is the last
thing majority of these people have in mind.  

Question
You may have reasons and a vision to side with the
cause of independent Assam. 
What I am asking you now is whether do you agree or
not that you are siding with a microscopic minority of
the population of Assam who share the same vision
whereas majority have discarded this idea for more
practical reasons? Idea was romantic but in 2007
hardly there are any takers in Assam.
A very specific question-don’t you agree?

Best regards

Chittaranjan Pathak





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[Assam] AT Letter - Ulfa and the people

[SANDIP DUTTA]

Netters - Forwarding a letter from yesterdays AT:

ULFA and the people
Sir,- ULFA killed 68 people of the Bihari community in Asom. Death toll 
continues with bomb blasts and might go up. All sections of the people rallied 
against it to show solidarity with that community. This is apparently 
heartening.

But to avoid such recurrence in future, this is the time for every Asomiya to 
take hold of a muffled voice insidious since the beginning of the Asom movement 
or even before that. It all began as a culmination of true concerns. Once a 
failed politician of Asom wrote in the now defunct famous weekly Neelachal 
about the sovereign status of Asom. Writings with ulterior motives foment 
emotions. The common people living in Asom are a victim of a guilt created by 
the intelligentsia. Numbers may count, but not absolutely. What counts is the 
appalling murderous activities. During the macabre dance of death, people 
witnessed only deadly silence or tacit support. This happened not without some 
actors. The outcome is a bizarre mindset devoid of human feeling. The actors 
are some remnants of the Asom movement. But when that movement faded, its 
apostles turned adrift, the leaders revealed their true colours in two terms of 
government, the fear psychosis they created remained with ULFA as
 lever for extortion and killing. Thus far the perpetual crime scene gained 
ground.

If ULFA is a fire which engulfs whole of Asom, it also warms some zealots. 
Cynicism with which a bunch of psycopaths indulges in killing worries less, 
because there is another bunch in corridors and streets, whose twists and turns 
make news! If human conscience still has some sense, killing of people for 
political end is inexplicable. Thereby hangs a tale what law would reign in 
"sovereign Asom". The government and intelligentsia did not look down on the 
initial modus operandi, when a victim was encircled and killed. The people took 
it for a ‘change’. That made ‘our child’ the Frankenstein.

The situation is going to be far grave than anyone could imagine. As you sow so 
you reap, so goes the adage. Our much pampered children are now prodigal sons 
pampered by India’s permanent enemies who in turn serves as conduits for 
India’s most turbulent friend China in the latter’s game of being the super 
power of the third world. It is a calculated game of fishing in troubled waters 
by those nations. Any layman can question our central leaders’ real concern for 
Asom and their ability and grit to use intelligence and diplomacy. Otherwise 
revolutionaries in captivity would continue to lambast us and the entire 
Asomiya society would have to live with an insult to their age old perception 
of identity. -Yours etc., INDRA KAMAL DUTTA, Jorhat.


 

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Re: [Assam] Stop writing ‘talks’ as it does not ho me in to the real issue. It is conflict resolution peopl e of Assam wants from India with a definitive statement on Assam’s Sovereignty restoration.

[SANDIP DUTTA]

Fine. 

Did you see how Musharraf resolved the Balochistan "conflict". He bombed the 
leader Bugti sky high with helicopter gunships. Guess he has a limit to 
tolerating people who can be a pain in his a*r*s*e. Who knows - our leaders 
might decide to use the same tactics oneday. 

So stop inventing stories about Indian colonialism and show some flexibility 
and consideration. Assamese are as much Indians as Gujjus, Punjus or Tamils.

Rgds,
SD


- Original Message 
From: Bartta Bistar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: AssamNet 
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 8:08:05 PM
Subject: [Assam] Stop writing ‘talks’ as it does not home in to the real issue. 
It is conflict resolution people of Assam wants from India with a definitive 
statement on Assam’s Sovereignty restoration.


Cong 5 spring Ulfa surprise 
A STAFF REPORTER #
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1070123/asp/northeast/story_7296247.asp
Guwahati, Jan. 22: Five Congress leaders — three MLAs and two MPs — have joined 
hands to mount a campaign within the party for the release of jailed Ulfa 
functionaries.
The group of five met at an undisclosed location today to chalk out a strategy 
to convince Delhi and Dispur to free Pradip Gogoi, Bhimkanta Buragohain, 
Mithinga Daimary, Ramu Mech and Pranati Deka. Gauhati High Court last week 
allowed Mech to visit his ancestral village in Sivasagar district to attend his 
father's shraddha. 
The rationale behind the decision to campaign for the release of the five 
militant leaders — a condition set by Ulfa for talks — is that it would put the 
onus of reviving the peace process on the militant group.
"The government will lose nothing by releasing five militant leaders who are 
not exactly in the pink of health. Even if they do the disappearing act, they 
cannot possibly add to the outfit's strength," one of the legislators said.
Writer Mamoni Raisom Goswami, who initiated the now-defunct peace process, has 
long been making the same argument. Her refrain has been that the government 
should release the jailed leaders, leaving Ulfa to fulfil its part of the deal. 
"If the militant outfit still does not come for talks, it will stand exposed," 
she has been quoted as saying on several occasions. 
The government has, however, stuck to its stand of not freeing any of the Ulfa 
leaders without the outfit showing any inclination for talks.
The group of five intends to move the high command and mobilise support within 
the party to release the militant leaders if the government does not relent. 
"There are many who feel the way we do, but are not speaking out," the 
legislator said. 
The group is also worried about Ulfa's threat to attack Congress workers. 
Chief minister Tarun Gogoi has dismissed the threats as "nothing new" for the 
party. "The Congress has always been under threat from Ulfa," he said recently.
While a few Congress workers have fallen to Ulfa bullets, several more in 
Tinsukia have resigned from the party following threats. " The situation is 
neither good for the party, nor for the people of the state," the legislator 
said.
 
 


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Re: [Assam] Assam - 'khobor'

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They have now asked all "Indian (hindi/non-hindi)" speakers to leave assam. 
Otherwise they might get caught in the "conflict" zone - meaning the more the 
army pushes, the more the non-assamese indians will be called out of their 
homes and sprayed with bullets.

Guess Indophobia is more cool than Banglaphobia. Call it racism, 
fundamentalism, xenophobia or what. 

Rgds,
Sandip


- Original Message 
From: Alpana B. Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 3:36:30 AM
Subject: [Assam] Assam - 'khobor'


Is it really ULFA that is doing this? Who is going to go to Assam? Do they want 
Assam to be a secluded jungle? No! anybody that loves Assam can't do this to 
her, it must be somebody who wants to destroy the place. 
I was trvelling to another state from Assam on Jan 8 and all national 
newspapers had the same headline - about the killlings in Tinsukia(?). It was 
just disgusting and I was so ashamed to see it (or think) that it was an act of 
any Assamese and wrapped the paper backward and inserted into the pocket of the 
front seat, and felt like being an Ostrich - all the way.
--
From The Assam Tribune:  
http://www.assamtribune.com/scripts/details.asp?id=jan1807\main
2 killed, 26 hurt in Ganeshguri blast
The United Liberation Front of Asom (ULFA) struck again in Guwahati as two 
persons lost their lives and at least 26 others, including two women were 
injured in a blast triggered by the militant outfit in an alley linking the GS 
Road with RP Road inside the busy Ganeshguri wholesale market at around 6.30 pm 
today.

Army busts four ULFA camps
The Army today intensified its offensive against the banned ULFA, killing two 
militants, arresting another five and busting four militant camps, two in the 
State and a same number in Arunachal Pradesh, reports PTI.


 



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Re: [Assam] Assamese boy Martyred in Bastar

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Dear Manoj,

Extremely sorry to hear that. I know what its like. May the departed souls rest 
in peace and the killers be brought to book soon.

Rgds,
Sandip


- Original Message 
From: Manoj Das <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ASSAMNET 
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 4:36:05 AM
Subject: [Assam] Assamese boy Martyred in Bastar

Mr. Jagannath Chootia from Bordoloni, Dist. Dhemaji, Assam was killed in an 
ambush in the remote  "Narayanpur" area of Bastar  district  in Chattisgarh 
yeaterday between 3-4 pm. Alongwith him OC, Shri Vikas Chander from Bihar and 5 
other constables belonging to Chattisgarh police were also annihilated. 
Jagannath joined 43rd CRPF as constable  in 1991. He was posted most of the 
time at J&K and took part in anti insurgency operations there. 

Apparently they have fallen into a trap laid by the Naxalites. Sources with 
CRPF say that the patrol team in which Jagannath was a part of, went to 
retrieve the bodies of a few policemen killed by the ultras in another ambush. 
They were ambushed at the same site, and all of them died on the spot. 

His body will be flown to Guwahati tomorrow from Raipur enroute Delhi and taken 
to his village in Dhemaji district by road. He is survived by his 2 and half 
years old son and wife. His mother is quite old and father who was a 
Rashtrapati awardee teacher expired a few years back of a sudden heart attack. 

His sacrifice may contribute to make a strong India. He was my first cousin and 
I am proud of him.
-- 
Manoj Kumar Das
New Delhi

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Re: [Assam] The way we pay respect to the Father of the Nation!!

[SANDIP DUTTA]

Can we find this guy and fix him...?

Its incorrigible.


- Original Message 
From: Santonu Goswami <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Assamnet 
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 3:19:57 PM
Subject: [Assam] The way we pay respect to the Father of the Nation!!


The following is a link to a clip in youtube. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CE9_sBZHu1E
 
It is really very interesting and disheartening to see the way some people are 
trying to have "FUN"!! Listen to the backgrounds giggles of the amused 
spectators
Hai Mere Bharat Desh!!
 
Santonu Goswami


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Re: [Assam] Offer of 'peace talk'..

[SANDIP DUTTA]

So what was the motive for that question?

Few things abt my family: Speak Assamese/Hindi at home, settled outside Assam 
permanently, Father was in IAS, elder brother was an NDA recruit in the Army 
who was martyred in Kashmir in 2001. 

Any more issues you got with my nationality?

I wont ask if you carry an Indian passport.

- Original Message 
From: mc mahant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 12:38:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Offer of 'peace talk'..


I chose nothing.
Just asked.
Did not get the answer-though.
mm





From: SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: mc mahant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: assam@assamnet.org
Subject: Re: [Assam] Offer of 'peace talk'..
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 22:22:44 -0800 (PST)


And did you choose to reach that conclusion because I do not subscribe to your 
dreams for breaking up India piece by piece?



- Original Message 
From: mc mahant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 2:20:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Offer of 'peace talk'..


What are you? Are you also an illegal infiltrator?
mm




From: SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: mc mahant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: assam@assamnet.org
Subject: Re: [Assam] Offer of 'peace talk'..
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 04:56:06 -0800 (PST)


And who needs the ISI and Bangla when the MC Mahants are available to render 
the same services for FREE.
 
-
Sandip


- Original Message 
From: mc mahant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2007 9:49:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Offer of 'peace talk'..


Peace Talks  --Government ( whatever they are governing!) Very Cleverly wants 
that.
Meaningful unconditional talk among equals for shockfree handback of 
Sovereignty to ASSAM  through ULFA-is what ULFA will sit in-- like Brits sat 
with -Nehru-Jinnah to handover Part Brit. India for a while to Congress<.
Aggressiveness, Greed, Over-cleverness   lead to Backwardness  and  shameful 
collapse ..Khali/CanadaPunjab,Kashmir,WorldTamil,MideastKerala , CultureBongo, 
MineralOrissa are waiting in line. Narendra is overconfident already with 
Superplans by Patel Motels.
India need not compromise on THEIR SOVEREIGNTY
Assam need not compromise on Assam's Sovereignty
"We shall find peace. We shall hear angels. We shall see the sky sparkling with 
diamonds." -- Anton Chekhov
mm


 



From:  bg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:  ASSAMNET 
Subject:  [Assam] Offer of 'peace talk'..
Date:  Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:52:12 +0530



http://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/Display_news.asp?section=World_News&subsection=India&month=January2007&file=World_News2007010813131.xml
 
Tinsukia (Assam) 
⤢ The government yesterday offered to hold peace talks with the outlawed 
United 
Liberation Front of Asom (Ulfa), the rebel group blamed for a wave of attacks 
that killed 48 Hindi-speaking people in Assam this week.

-- Whenever there is an event lined up in Assam, the (unconditional?) offer of 
'peace talk' comes from Govt's side!!! 
-- Offer of 'peace talk' came before the last Assembly election .. the election 
was peaceful.. the politics goes on...<

-- Offer of 'peace talk' came just before 2006's Independence Day of India 

-- Offer of 'peace talk' comes just before the forthcoming Nation Games in 
Assam 

-- AND this time, the timing is slightly advanced due to the last week's 
killings 
-- so on ..so on..


-- just after the end of such events, peace talks is forgotten...  and becomes 
>conditional again..
-- .. .. 

-- .. .. 





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[Assam] A few interesting articles

[SANDIP DUTTA]

Fwding a few interesting articles I found today :-

Who will kill the Assamese now?
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1895154,0093.htm

Terrorise to the table:
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1895918,0036.htm

Ulfa attacks: Tourists call off trips to Upper Assam
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Ulfa_attacks_Tourists_call_off_trips_to_Assam/articleshow/1129099.cms

Rgds,
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Re: [Assam] Offer of 'peace talk'..

[SANDIP DUTTA]

And did you choose to reach that conclusion because I do not subscribe to your 
dreams for breaking up India piece by piece?



- Original Message 
From: mc mahant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 2:20:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Offer of 'peace talk'..


What are you? Are you also an illegal infiltrator?
mm




From: SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: mc mahant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: assam@assamnet.org
Subject: Re: [Assam] Offer of 'peace talk'..
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 04:56:06 -0800 (PST)


And who needs the ISI and Bangla when the MC Mahants are available to render 
the same services for FREE.
 
-
Sandip


- Original Message 
From: mc mahant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2007 9:49:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Offer of 'peace talk'..


Peace Talks  --Government ( whatever they are governing!) Very Cleverly wants 
that.
Meaningful unconditional talk among equals for shockfree handback of 
Sovereignty to ASSAM  through ULFA-is what ULFA will sit in-- like Brits sat 
with -Nehru-Jinnah to handover Part Brit. India for a while to Congress<.
Aggressiveness, Greed, Over-cleverness   lead to Backwardness  and  shameful 
collapse ..Khali/CanadaPunjab,Kashmir,WorldTamil,MideastKerala , CultureBongo, 
MineralOrissa are waiting in line. Narendra is overconfident already with 
Superplans by Patel Motels.
India need not compromise on THEIR SOVEREIGNTY
Assam need not compromise on Assam's Sovereignty
"We shall find peace. We shall hear angels. We shall see the sky sparkling with 
diamonds." -- Anton Chekhov
mm


 



From:  bg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:  ASSAMNET 
Subject:  [Assam] Offer of 'peace talk'..
Date:  Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:52:12 +0530



http://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/Display_news.asp?section=World_News&subsection=India&month=January2007&file=World_News2007010813131.xml
 
Tinsukia (Assam) 
⤢ The government yesterday offered to hold peace talks with the outlawed 
United 
Liberation Front of Asom (Ulfa), the rebel group blamed for a wave of attacks 
that killed 48 Hindi-speaking people in Assam this week.

-- Whenever there is an event lined up in Assam, the (unconditional?) offer of 
'peace talk' comes from Govt's side!!! 
-- Offer of 'peace talk' came before the last Assembly election .. the election 
was peaceful.. the politics goes on...<

-- Offer of 'peace talk' came just before 2006's Independence Day of India 

-- Offer of 'peace talk' comes just before the forthcoming Nation Games in 
Assam 

-- AND this time, the timing is slightly advanced due to the last week's 
killings 
-- so on ..so on..


-- just after the end of such events, peace talks is forgotten...  and becomes 
>conditional again..
-- .. .. 

-- .. .. 





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