Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility
Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility I really thank you in advance for all your suggestions, will check them out soon. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=197559#p197559 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility Well, I thought Id jump in late.In ie, I have webvisum installed, this does capcha stuff though it also helps with some access features.I have one for playing system sounds and a few others.The only time I use firefox though is for things that crash with ie11 which are only a few websites.Security wise I do realise ie is not the best but for what I do, it works.Most of my peers use chrome but ie comes with windows and while I do use firefox from time to time its not a full brouser I use, some stuff it does better than ie and some stuff that ie crashes with it works well with to.I have an i5 duel core 32 bit system that could go 64 bit if it wanted with 4gb ram and win7.I am not sure about ram usage but yeah. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=197574#p197574 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility
Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility Thanks for those about:config settings, Ill have a look. I cant say Ive ever messed around in there, but some of the settings you mentioned seem reasonable URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=197607#p197607 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility
Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility try the applications menu bar on the extention in question in the addons page, if disable doesnt show up there, tab to the button next to the list box with the extentions and try that one, it may bring up a small menu for you to pick from, or, it may have a few different buttons.Also, afrim, use control shift escape in windows 7, hit control tab till you get to processs, use the alt v keystroke, press the letter s, and select the columns you want displayed with the check boxs.Next time you hit control shift escape, youll have all that info, and I suggest processor usage, physical ram, and virtual ram as columns, you can also end processs from there by choosing a process, using the delete key, or alt E for end process on it, and tabbing to the end process button and activating it.As well, you can use the applications menu bar on a process to get a list of more things you can do, such as seeing where that processs file is located in windows, or check the files properties.Another good resource is MSConfig which you can type into the run dialog box that you can bring up with windows r, where you can use the services and startup tabs to help you as well.You also have services.msc which you can type into run as well, which has a great deal of configurable options through the menu bar, including view and options, and for single services with the applications menu.How ever, you need to be very careful here, I suggest backing up your registry first, and its possible to screw stuff up bad enough to have to boot into safe mode, so also make a system restore point.On the other hand, this is the single best way to reduce ram and processor usage aside from killing the very obvious processs... And even though windows 7 probably has the most services to wade through of all the windows versions, there are good guides that you can follow that shouldnt break anyth ing, though you should still use common sense especially on the ones that the guides dont mention, and use manual more than disable.The best site Ive found so far for this is called black viper, and should have a guide for your version of windows, just be aware that it can be easy to break network connectivity, because there are allot of processs that rely on each other, with some having to start up automatically while others dont, but even doing this with out even touching network stuff helps a bunch.Otherwise youve still got temp file cleaning, registry conflict and old extention cleaning, defragging, unneeded program data wiping, scheduled malware scanning and realtime protection.I suggest CCleaner for cleaning stuff and Defraggler for defragging, though Ive heard ozlogics is good too, also Id use revo uninstaler and use it on safe mode instead of regular uninstallers, and advanced mode if that doesnt work, as well as going into C:\documents and settings\your user name\application data, and checking all the folders in there to see if the name of that program you had comes up, if so, delete that folder and empty the recycle bin afterwards. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=197361#p197361 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility
Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility try the applications menu bar on the extention in question in the addons page, if disable doesnt show up there, tab to the button next to the list box with the extentions and try that one, it may bring up a small menu for you to pick from, or, it may have a few different buttons.Also, afrim, use control shift escape in windows 7, hit control tab till you get to processs, use the alt v keystroke, press the letter s, and select the columns you want displayed with the check boxs.Next time you hit control shift escape, youll have all that info, and I suggest processor usage, physical ram, and virtual ram as columns, you can also end processs from there by choosing a process, using the delete key, or alt E for end process on it, and tabbing to the end process button and activating it.As well, you can use the applications menu bar on a process to get a list of more things you can do, such as seeing where that processs f ile is located in windows, or check the files properties.Another good resource is MSConfig which you can type into the run dialog box that you can bring up with windows r, where you can use the services and startup tabs to help you as well.You also have services.msc which you can type into run too, which has a great deal of configuration through the menu bar, including view and options, and for single services with the applications menu.How ever, you need to be very careful here, I suggest backing up your registry first, and its possible to screw stuff up bad enough to have to boot into safe mode, so also make a system restore point.On the other hand, this is the single best way to reduce ram and processor usage aside from killing the very obvious processs... And even though windows 7 probably has the most services to wade through of all the windows versions, there are good guides that you can follow that shouldnt break an ything, though you should still use common sense especially on the ones that the guides dont mention, and use manual more than disable.The best site Ive found so far for this is called black viper, and should have a guide for your version of windows, just be aware that it can be easy to break network connectivity, because there are allot of processs that rely on each other, with some having to start up automatically while others dont, but even doing this with out ever touching network stuff helps a bunch.Otherwise youve still got temp file cleaning, registry conflict and old extention cleaning, defragging, unneeded program data wiping, scheduled malware scanning and realtime protection.I suggest CCleaner for cleaning stuff and Defraggler for defragging, both from piriform.com though Ive heard ozlogics is good too, also Id use revo uninstaler and use it on safe mode instead of regular uninstallers, and advanced mode i f that doesnt work, as well as going into C:\documents and settings\your user name\application data, and checking all the folders in there to see if the name of that program you had comes up, if so, delete that folder and empty the recycle bin afterwards.Anti virus is more a personal choice, but it also depends on the computer and what your willing to put up with for accessibility, or lack there of, but I can suggest combofix, clamwin, and Macafee stinger for quick checking, Microsoft Security Essentials for light realtime and scheduled cleaning, and avast, AVG Business, and malware bytes if they fixed their stupid interface by now for heavier everything. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=197361#p197361 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility
Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility try the applications menu bar on the extention in question in the addons page, if disable doesnt show up there, tab to the button next to the list box with the extentions and try that one, it may bring up a small menu for you to pick from, or, it may have a few different buttons.Also, afrim, use control shift escape in windows 7, hit control tab till you get to processs, use the alt v keystroke, press the letter s, and select the columns you want displayed with the check boxs.Next time you hit control shift escape, youll have all that info, and I suggest processor usage, physical ram, and virtual ram as columns, you can also end processs from there by choosing a process, using the delete key, or alt E for end process on it, and tabbing to the end process button and activating it.As well, you can use the applications menu bar on a process to get a list of more things you can do, such as seeing where that processs f ile is located in windows, or check the files properties.Another good resource is MSConfig which you can type into the run dialog box that you can bring up with windows r, where you can use the services and startup tabs to help you as well.You also have services.msc which you can type into run too, which has a great deal of configuration through the menu bar, including view and options, and for single services with the applications menu.How ever, you need to be very careful here, I suggest backing up your registry first, and its possible to screw stuff up bad enough to have to boot into safe mode, so also make a system restore point.On the other hand, this is the single best way to reduce ram and processor usage aside from killing the very obvious processs... And even though windows 7 probably has the most services to wade through of all the windows versions, there are good guides that you can follow that shouldnt break an ything, though you should still use common sense especially on the ones that the guides dont mention, and use manual more than disable.The best site Ive found so far for this is called black viper, and should have a guide for your version of windows, just be aware that it can be easy to break network connectivity, because there are allot of processs that rely on each other, with some having to start up automatically while others dont, but even doing this with out ever touching network stuff helps a bunch.Otherwise youve still got temp file cleaning, registry conflict and old extention cleaning, defragging, unneeded program data wiping, scheduled malware scanning and realtime protection.I suggest CCleaner for cleaning stuff and Defraggler for defragging, both from piriform.com though Ive heard ozlogics is good too, also Id use revo uninstaler and use it on safe mode instead of regular uninstallers, and advanced mode i f that doesnt work, as well as going into C:\documents and settings\your user name\application data, and checking all the folders in there to see if the name of that program you had comes up, if so, delete that folder and empty the recycle bin afterwards.Anti virus is more a personal choice, but it also depends on the computer and what your willing to put up with for accessibility, or lack there of, but I can suggest combofix, spybot search and destroy, clamwin, and Macafee stinger for quick but powerful checking, Microsoft Security Essentials and AVG free for light realtime and scheduled cleaning, and avast, AVG Business, and malware bytes if they fixed their stupid interface by now for heavier everything. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=197361#p197361 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility
Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility try the applications menu bar on the extention in question in the addons page, if disable doesnt show up there, tab to the button next to the list box with the extentions and try that one, it may bring up a small menu for you to pick from, or, it may have a few different buttons.Also, afrim, use control shift escape in windows 7, hit control tab till you get to processs, use the alt v keystroke, press the letter s, and select the columns you want displayed with the check boxs.Next time you hit control shift escape, youll have all that info, and I suggest processor usage, physical ram, and virtual ram as columns, you can also end processs from there by choosing a process, using the delete key, or alt E for end process on it, and tabbing to the end process button and activating it.As well, you can use the applications menu bar on a process to get a list of more things you can do, such as seeing where that processs file is located in windows, or check the files properties.Another good resource is MSConfig which you can type into the run dialog box that you can bring up with windows r, where you can use the services and startup tabs to help you as well.You also have services.msc which you can type into run too, which has a great deal of configuration through the menu bar, including view and options, and for single services with the applications menu.How ever, you need to be very careful here, I suggest backing up your registry first, and its possible to screw stuff up bad enough to have to boot into safe mode, so also make a system restore point.On the other hand, this is the single best way to reduce ram and processor usage aside from killing the very obvious processs... And even though windows 7 probably has the most services to wade through of all the windows versions, there are good guides that you can follow that shouldnt break an ything, though you should still use common sense especially on the ones that the guides dont mention, and use manual more than disable.The best site Ive found so far for this is called black viper, and should have a guide for your version of windows, just be aware that it can be easy to break network connectivity, because there are allot of processs that rely on each other, with some having to start up automatically while others dont, but even doing this with out ever touching network stuff helps a bunch.Otherwise youve still got temp file cleaning, registry conflict and old extention cleaning, defragging, unneeded program data wiping, scheduled malware scanning and realtime protection.I suggest CCleaner for cleaning stuff and Defraggler for defragging, both from piriform.com though Ive heard ozlogics is good too, also Id use revo uninstaler and use it on safe mode instead of regular uninstallers, and advanced mode i f that doesnt work, as well as going into C:\documents and settings\your user name\application data, and checking all the folders in there to see if the name of that program you had comes up, if so, delete that folder and empty the recycle bin afterwards.Anti virus is more a personal choice, but it also depends on the computer and what your willing to put up with for accessibility, or lack there of, but I can suggest combofix, spybot search and destroy, clamwin, and Macafee stinger for quick but powerful checking, Microsoft Security Essentials and AVG free for light realtime and scheduled cleaning, and avast, AVG Business, and malware bytes if they fixed their stupid interface by now for heavier everything. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=197361#p197361 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility
Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility try the applications menu bar on the extention in question in the addons page, if disable doesnt show up there, tab to the button next to the list box with the extentions and try that one, it may bring up a small menu for you to pick from, or, it may have a few different buttons.Also, afrim, use control shift escape in windows 7, hit control tab till you get to processs, use the alt v keystroke, press the letter s, and select the columns you want displayed with the check boxs.Next time you hit control shift escape, youll have all that info, and I suggest processor usage, physical ram, and virtual ram as columns, you can also end processs from there by choosing a process, using the delete key, or alt E for end process on it, and tabbing to the end process button and activating it.As well, you can use the applications menu bar on a process to get a list of more things you can do, such as seeing where that processs file is located in windows, or check the files properties.Another good resource is MSConfig which you can type into the run dialog box that you can bring up with windows r, where you can use the services and startup tabs with there checkboxs to help you as well, just press apply and okay to save your changes and restart the computer when you want.You also have services.msc which you can type into run too, which has a great deal of configuration through the menu bar, including view and options, and for single services with the applications menu.How ever, you need to be very careful here, I suggest backing up your registry first, and its possible to screw stuff up bad enough to have to boot into safe mode, so also make a system restore point.On the other hand, this is the single best way to reduce ram and processor usage aside from killing the very obvious processs... And even though windows 7 probably has the most services t o wade through of all the windows versions, there are good guides that you can follow that shouldnt break anything, though you should still use common sense especially on the ones that the guides dont mention, and use manual more than disable.The best site Ive found so far for this is called black viper, and should have a guide for your version of windows, just be aware that it can be easy to break network connectivity, because there are allot of processs that rely on each other, with some having to start up automatically while others dont, but even doing this with out ever touching network stuff helps a bunch.Otherwise youve still got temp file cleaning, registry conflict and old extention cleaning, defragging, unneeded program data wiping, scheduled malware scanning and realtime protection.I suggest CCleaner for cleaning stuff and Defraggler for defragging, both from piriform.com though Ive heard ozlogics is good t oo, also Id use revo uninstaler and use it on safe mode instead of regular uninstallers, and advanced mode if that doesnt work, as well as going into C:\documents and settings\your user name\application data, and checking all the folders in there to see if the name of that program you had comes up, if so, delete that folder and empty the recycle bin afterwards.Anti virus is more a personal choice, but it also depends on the computer and what your willing to put up with for accessibility, or lack there of, but I can suggest combofix, spybot search and destroy, clamwin, and Macafee stinger for quick but powerful checking, Microsoft Security Essentials and AVG free for light realtime and scheduled cleaning, and avast, AVG Business, and malware bytes if they fixed their stupid interface by now for heavier everything. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=197361#p197361 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility
Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility try the applications menu bar on the extention in question in the addons page, if disable doesnt show up there, tab to the button next to the list box with the extentions and try that one, it may bring up a small menu for you to pick from, or, it may have a few different buttons.Also, afrim, use control shift escape in windows 7, hit control tab till you get to processs, use the alt v keystroke, press the letter s, and select the columns you want displayed with the check boxs.Next time you hit control shift escape, youll have all that info, and I suggest processor usage, physical ram, and virtual ram as columns, you can also end processs from there by choosing a process, using the delete key, or alt E for end process on it, and tabbing to the end process button and activating it.As well, you can use the applications menu bar on a process to get a list of more things you can do, such as seeing where that processs file is located in windows, or check the files properties.Another good resource is MSConfig which you can type into the run dialog box that you can bring up with windows r, where you can use the services and startup tabs with there checkboxs to help you as well, just press apply and okay to save your changes and restart the computer when you want.You also have services.msc which you can type into run too, which has a great deal of configuration through the menu bar, including view and options, and for single services with the applications menu.How ever, you need to be very careful here, I suggest backing up your registry first, and its possible to screw stuff up bad enough to have to boot into safe mode, so also make a system restore point.On the other hand, this is the single best way to reduce ram and processor usage aside from killing the very obvious processs... And even though windows 7 probably has the most services t o wade through of all the windows versions, there are good guides that you can follow that shouldnt break anything, though you should still use common sense especially on the ones that the guides dont mention, and always try to use manual more than disable.The best site Ive found so far for this is called black viper, and should have a guide for your version of windows, just be aware that it can be easy to break network connectivity, because there are allot of processs that rely on each other, with some having to start up automatically while others dont, but even doing this with out ever touching network stuff helps a bunch.Otherwise youve still got temp file cleaning, registry conflict and old extention cleaning, defragging, unneeded program data wiping, scheduled malware scanning and realtime protection.I suggest CCleaner for cleaning stuff out and basic registry fixing, and Defraggler for defragging, both from piriform. com though Ive heard ozlogics is good too, also Id use revo uninstaler and use it on safe mode instead of regular uninstallers, and advanced mode if that doesnt work, as well as going into C:\documents and settings\your user name\application data, and checking all the folders in there to see if the name of that program you had comes up, if so, delete that folder and empty the recycle bin afterwards.Anti virus is more a personal choice, but it also depends on the computer and what your willing to put up with for accessibility, or lack there of, but I can suggest combofix, spybot search and destroy, clamwin, and Macafee stinger for quick but powerful checking, Microsoft Security Essentials and AVG free for light realtime and scheduled cleaning, and avast, AVG Business, and malware bytes if they fixed their stupid interface by now for heavier everything. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=197361#p197361 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility
Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility Hi,Go to the tools menu, and then go to addons. In the addon manager, browse mode should be off. You will have to tab three times to get to the list of addon types, such as extensions, plugins, themes, etc. For extensions, select extensions from the list, tab once more, and find the extension you want to remove. Then, tab to the remove button. With some extensions, you may have to restart Firefox for the extension to be completely removed.Plugins are a little more complicated. From the firefox UI, its not possible to remove plugins, but you can disable them (it sounds like you already know how to do that.)Otherwise, if you can find out where the plugin is installed, you might be able to delete its files, or prevent Firefox from scanning for it.If its in your AppData folder, you should be able to find and delete the plugin files. For plugins that are defined in the registry, though, it gets a bit more difficult. There is an abo ut:config setting called plugin.scan.plid.all that determines whether or not Firefox should scan the registry for plugins. Setting this to false may help you, but it may also disable other plugins that you may want to keep.(I dont know if you know how to use about:config, so Ill just briefly go over it.)In the address bar, type about:config, then press enter. A warning message will pop up, letting you know that it can be dangerous to change settings in this screen. The Ill be careful, I promiss! button will dismiss this message. You can also check the checkbox so that this message wont show up again.Again, browse mode should be off in this screen. You will find a search box, followed by a long list of entries. You can create new entries, modify existing entries, or reset them. Just select the entry you want to change, and access the context menu. In this menu there is also a new menu to create a new string , boolean or integer.HTH URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=197364#p197364 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility
Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility Hi,Go to the tools menu, and then go to addons. In the addon manager, browse mode should be off. You will have to tab three times to get to the list of addon types, such as extensions, plugins, themes, etc. For extensions, select extensions from the list, tab once more, and find the extension you want to remove. Then, tab to the remove button. With some extensions, you may have to restart Firefox for the extension to be completely removed.Plugins are a little more complicated. From the firefox UI, its not possible to remove plugins, but you can disable them (it sounds like you already know how to do that.)Otherwise, if you can find out where the plugin is installed, you might be able to delete its files, or prevent Firefox from scanning for it.If its in your AppData folder, you should be able to find and delete the plugin files. For plugins that are defined in the registry, though, it gets a bit more difficult. There is an abo ut:config setting called plugin.scan.plid.all that determines whether or not Firefox should scan the registry for plugins. Setting this to false may help you, but it may also disable other plugins that you may want to keep.(I dont know if you know how to use about:config, so Ill just briefly go over it.)In the address bar, type about:config, then press enter. A warning message will pop up, letting you know that it can be dangerous to change settings in this screen. The Ill be careful, I promiss! button will dismiss this message. You can also check the checkbox so that this message wont show up again.Again, browse mode should be off in this screen. You will find a search box, followed by a long list of entries. Typing in the search box will immedietly filter the list, so there is no need to submit your search or anything. Clearing the box will show all entries again.You can create new entries, modify existi ng entries, or reset them. Just select the entry you want to change, and access the context menu. In this menu there is also a new menu to create a new string, boolean or integer.HTH URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=197364#p197364 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility
Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility Hi,Go to the tools menu, and then go to add-ons. In the add-on manager, browse mode should be off. You will have to tab three times to get to the list of add-on types, such as extensions, plugins, themes, etc. For extensions, select extensions from the list, tab once more, and find the extension you want to remove. Then, tab to the remove button. With some extensions, you may have to restart Firefox for the extension to be completely removed.Plugins are a little more complicated. From the firefox UI, its not possible to remove plugins, but you can disable them (it sounds like you already know how to do that.)Otherwise, if you can find out where the plugin is installed, you might be able to delete its files, or prevent Firefox from scanning for it.If its in your AppData folder, you should be able to find and delete the plugin files. For plugins that are defined in the registry, though, it gets a bit more difficult. There is an about:config setting called plugin.scan.plid.all that determines whether or not Firefox should scan the registry for plugins. Setting this to false may help you, but it may also disable other plugins that you may want to keep.(I dont know if you know how to use about:config, so Ill just briefly go over it.)In the address bar, type about:config, then press enter. A warning message will pop up, letting you know that it can be dangerous to change settings in this screen. The Ill be careful, I promiss! button will dismiss this message. You can also check the checkbox so that this message wont show up again.Again, browse mode should be off in this screen. You will find a search box, followed by a long list of entries. Typing in the search box will immedietly filter the list, so there is no need to submit your search or anything. Clearing the box will show all entries again.You can create new entries, modify exi sting entries, or reset them. Just select the entry you want to change, and access the context menu. In this menu there is also a new menu to create a new string, boolean or integer.HTH URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=197364#p197364 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility try the applications menu bar on the extention in question in the addons page, if disable doesnt show up there, tab to the button next to the list box with the extentions and try that one, it may bring up a small menu for you to pick from, or, it may have a few different buttons.Also, afrim, use control shift escape in windows 7, hit control tab till you get to processs, use the alt v keystroke, press the letter s, and select the columns you want displayed with the check boxs.Next time you hit control shift escape, youll have all that info, and I suggest processor usage, physical ram, and virtual ram as columns, you can also end processs from there by choosing a process, using the delete key, or alt E for end process on it, and tabbing to the end process button and activating it.As well, you can use the applications menu bar on a process to get a list of more things you can do, such as seeing where that processs file is located in windows, or check the files properties.Another good resource is MSConfig which you can type into the run dialog box that you can bring up with windows r, where you can use the services and startup tabs with there checkboxs to help you as well, just press apply and okay to save your changes and restart the computer when you want.You also have services.msc which you can type into run too, which has a great deal of configuration through the menu bar, including view and options, and for single services with the applications menu.How ever, you need to be very careful here, I suggest backing up your registry first, and its possible to screw stuff up bad enough to have to boot into safe mode, so also make a system restore point.On the other hand, this is the single best way to reduce ram and processor usage aside from killing the very obvious processs... And even though windows 7 probably has the most services t o wade through of all the windows versions, there are good guides that you can follow that shouldnt break anything, though you should still use common sense especially on the ones that the guides dont mention, and always try to use manual more than disable.The best site Ive found so far for this is called black viper, and should have a guide for your version of windows, just be aware that it can be easy to break network connectivity, because there are allot of processs that rely on each other, with some having to start up automatically while others dont, but even doing this with out ever touching network stuff helps a bunch.Otherwise youve still got temp file cleaning, registry conflict and old extention cleaning, defragging, unneeded program data wiping, scheduled malware scanning and realtime protection.I suggest CCleaner for cleaning stuff out and basic registry fixing, and Defraggler for defragging, both from piriform. com though Ive heard ozlogics is good too, also Id use revo uninstaler and use it on safe mode instead of regular uninstallers, and advanced mode if that doesnt work, as well as going into C:\documents and settings\your user name\application data, and checking all the folders in there to see if the name of that program you had comes up, if so, delete that folder and empty the recycle bin afterwards.Anti virus is more a personal choice, but it also depends on the computer and what your willing to put up with for accessibility, or lack there of, but I can suggest combofix, spybot search and destroy, clamwin, and Macafee stinger for quick but powerful checking, Microsoft Security Essentials and AVG free for light realtime and scheduled cleaning, and avast, AVG Business, and malware bytes if they fixed their stupid interface by now for heavier everything.All those things, when done right, should help allot, and as to accessibility? going to control p anel, appearance and personalization, change the theme, and picking windows classic in the grid that comes up, then saving, should help with that. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=197361#p197361 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility
Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility try the applications menu bar on the extention in question in the addons page, if disable doesnt show up there, tab to the button next to the list box with the extentions and try that one, it may bring up a small menu for you to pick from, or, it may have a few different buttons.Also, afrim, use control shift escape in windows 7, hit control tab till you get to processs, use the alt v keystroke, press the letter s, and select the columns you want displayed with the check boxs.Next time you hit control shift escape, youll have all that info, and I suggest processor usage, physical ram, and virtual ram as columns, you can also end processs from there by choosing a process, using the delete key, or alt E for end process on it, and tabbing to the end process button and activating it.As well, you can use the applications menu bar on a process to get a list of more things you can do, such as seeing where that processs file is located in windows, or checking the files properties.Another good resource is MSConfig which you can type into the run dialog box that you can bring up with windows r, where you can use the services and startup tabs with there checkboxs to help you as well, just press apply and okay to save your changes and restart the computer when you want.A good site to look up what all these files are for, both in task manager and msconfig, is bleepingcomputer.comYou also have services.msc which you can type into run too, which has a great deal of configuration through the menu bar, including view and options, and for single services with the applications menu.How ever, you need to be very careful here, I suggest backing up your registry first, and its possible to screw stuff up bad enough to have to boot into safe mode, so also make a system restore point.On the other hand, this is the single best way to reduce ram and process or usage aside from killing the very obvious processs... And even though windows 7 probably has the most services to wade through of all the windows versions, there are good guides that you can follow that shouldnt break anything, though you should still use common sense especially on the ones that the guides dont mention, and always try to use manual more than disable.The best site Ive found so far for this is called black viper, and should have a guide for your version of windows, just be aware that it can be easy to break network connectivity, because there are allot of processs that rely on each other, with some having to start up automatically while others dont, but even doing this with out ever touching network stuff helps a bunch.Otherwise youve still got temp file cleaning, registry conflict and old extention cleaning, defragging, unneeded program data wiping, scheduled malware scanning and realtime protectio n.I suggest CCleaner for cleaning stuff out and basic registry fixing, and Defraggler for defragging, both from piriform.com though Ive heard ozlogics is good too, also Id use revo uninstaler and use it on safe mode instead of regular uninstallers, and advanced mode if that doesnt work, as well as going into C:\documents and settings\your user name\application data, and checking all the folders in there to see if the name of that program you had comes up, if so, delete that folder and empty the recycle bin afterwards.Anti virus is more a personal choice, but it also depends on the computer and what your willing to put up with for accessibility, or lack there of, but I can suggest combofix, spybot search and destroy, clamwin, and Macafee stinger for quick but powerful checking, Microsoft Security Essentials and AVG free for light realtime and scheduled cleaning, and avast, AVG Business, and malware bytes if they fixed their stupid interface by now for he avier everything.All those things, when done right, should help allot, and as to accessibility? going to control panel, appearance and personalization, change the theme, and picking windows classic in the grid that comes up, then saving, should help with that. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=197361#p197361 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility In case anyone is interested, here are the changes Ive made to my about:config settings.browser.cache.disk.capacity: 51200browser.cache.disk.smart_size.enabled: falsebrowser.cache.frecency_experiment: 3browser.cache.memory.capacity: 25600browser.history_expire_days.mirror: 1browser.newtab.url: about:blankbrowser.privatebrowsing.autostart: truebrowser.search.suggest.enabled: falsebrowser.sessionstore.restore_on_demand: falsebrowser.sessionstore.resume_from_crash: falsebrowser.tabs.animate: falsebrowser.tabs.autoHide: truebrowser.tabs.closeWindowWithLastTab: falsebrowser.tabs.drawInTitlebar: falsebrowser.tabs.loadInBackground: falsebrowser.tabs.warnOnClose: falsebrowser.urlbar.autocomplete.enabled: falsebrowser.urlbar.autoFill: falsebrowser.urlbar.trimURLs: falsegfx.direct2d.disabled: truelayers.acceleration.disabled: truenetwork.cookie.cookieBeh avior: 2network.cookie.lifetimePolicy: 2network.cookie.maxNumber: 50network.http.max-connections: 200network.http.max-connections-per-server: 20network.http.max-persistent-connections-per-proxy: 8network.http.max-persistent-connections-per-server: 4plugin.scan.Acrobat: 200.0plugin.scan.plid.all: falseplugin.scan.Quicktime: 200.0plugin.scan.WindowsMediaPlayer: 200.0plugin.state.flash: 0plugin.state.java: 0plugins.hideMissingPluginsNotification: trueplugins.notifyMissingFlash: falseprivacy.clearOnShutdown.offlineApps: trueprivacy.donottrackheader.enabled: trueprivacy.sanitize.sanitizeOnShutdown: truesecurity.enable_java: falsewebgl.disabled: true URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=197369#p197369 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility In case anyone is interested, here are the changes Ive made to my about:config settings.browser.cache.disk.capacity: 51200browser.cache.disk.smart_size.enabled: falsebrowser.cache.frecency_experiment: 3browser.cache.memory.capacity: 25600browser.history_expire_days.mirror: 1browser.newtab.url: about:blankbrowser.privatebrowsing.autostart: truebrowser.search.suggest.enabled: falsebrowser.sessionstore.restore_on_demand: falsebrowser.sessionstore.resume_from_crash: falsebrowser.tabs.animate: falsebrowser.tabs.autoHide: truebrowser.tabs.closeWindowWithLastTab: falsebrowser.tabs.drawInTitlebar: falsebrowser.tabs.loadInBackground: falsebrowser.tabs.warnOnClose: falsebrowser.urlbar.autocomplete.enabled: falsebrowser.urlbar.autoFill: falsebrowser.urlbar.trimURLs: falsegfx.direct2d.disabled: truelayers.acceleration.disabled: truenetwork.cookie.cookieBeh avior: 2network.cookie.lifetimePolicy: 2network.cookie.maxNumber: 50network.http.max-connections: 200network.http.max-connections-per-server: 20network.http.max-persistent-connections-per-proxy: 8network.http.max-persistent-connections-per-server: 4plugin.scan.Acrobat: 200.0plugin.scan.plid.all: falseplugin.scan.Quicktime: 200.0plugin.scan.WindowsMediaPlayer: 200.0plugin.state.flash: 0plugin.state.java: 0plugins.hideMissingPluginsNotification: trueplugins.notifyMissingFlash: falseprivacy.clearOnShutdown.offlineApps: trueprivacy.donottrackheader.enabled: trueprivacy.sanitize.sanitizeOnShutdown: truesecurity.enable_java: falsewebgl.disabled: trueAnd here is my userChrome.css file. Ive put in some comments to explain what it will do.https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1472111/userChrome.cssTo instal l, go to your profile folder. This is usually located in %AppData%\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\random characters.profilenameIf the folder chrome doesnt exist, create it, then paste the userChrome.css file into this folder. Restart Firefox. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=197369#p197369 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility In case anyone is interested, here are the changes Ive made to my about:config settings.browser.cache.disk.capacity: 51200browser.cache.disk.smart_size.enabled: falsebrowser.cache.frecency_experiment: 3browser.cache.memory.capacity: 25600browser.history_expire_days.mirror: 1browser.newtab.url: about:blankbrowser.privatebrowsing.autostart: truebrowser.search.suggest.enabled: falsebrowser.sessionstore.restore_on_demand: falsebrowser.sessionstore.resume_from_crash: falsebrowser.tabs.animate: falsebrowser.tabs.autoHide: truebrowser.tabs.closeWindowWithLastTab: falsebrowser.tabs.drawInTitlebar: falsebrowser.tabs.loadInBackground: falsebrowser.tabs.warnOnClose: falsebrowser.urlbar.autocomplete.enabled: falsebrowser.urlbar.autoFill: falsebrowser.urlbar.trimURLs: falsegfx.direct2d.disabled: truelayers.acceleration.disabled: truenetwork.cookie.cookieBeh avior: 2network.cookie.lifetimePolicy: 2network.cookie.maxNumber: 50network.http.max-connections: 200network.http.max-connections-per-server: 20network.http.max-persistent-connections-per-proxy: 8network.http.max-persistent-connections-per-server: 4pdfjs.disabled: trueplugin.scan.Acrobat: 200.0plugin.scan.plid.all: falseplugin.scan.Quicktime: 200.0plugin.scan.WindowsMediaPlayer: 200.0plugin.state.flash: 0plugin.state.java: 0plugins.hideMissingPluginsNotification: trueplugins.notifyMissingFlash: falseprivacy.clearOnShutdown.offlineApps: trueprivacy.donottrackheader.enabled: trueprivacy.sanitize.sanitizeOnShutdown: truesecurity.enable_java: falsewebgl.disabled: trueAnd here is my userChrome.css file. Ive put in some comments to explain what it will do.https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1472111/userChr ome.cssTo install, go to your profile folder. This is usually located in %AppData%\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\random characters.profilenameIf the folder chrome doesnt exist, create it, then paste the userChrome.css file into this folder. Restart Firefox. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=197369#p197369 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility In case anyone is interested, here are the changes Ive made to my about:config settings.browser.cache.disk.capacity: 51200browser.cache.disk.smart_size.enabled: falsebrowser.cache.frecency_experiment: 3browser.cache.memory.capacity: 25600browser.history_expire_days.mirror: 1browser.newtab.url: about:blankbrowser.privatebrowsing.autostart: truebrowser.search.suggest.enabled: falsebrowser.sessionstore.restore_on_demand: falsebrowser.sessionstore.resume_from_crash: falsebrowser.tabs.animate: falsebrowser.tabs.autoHide: truebrowser.tabs.closeWindowWithLastTab: falsebrowser.tabs.drawInTitlebar: falsebrowser.tabs.loadInBackground: falsebrowser.tabs.warnOnClose: falsebrowser.urlbar.autocomplete.enabled: falsebrowser.urlbar.autoFill: falsebrowser.urlbar.trimURLs: falsegfx.direct2d.disabled: truelayers.acceleration.disabled: truenetwork.cookie.cookieBeh avior: 2network.cookie.lifetimePolicy: 2network.cookie.maxNumber: 50network.http.max-connections: 200network.http.max-connections-per-server: 20network.http.max-persistent-connections-per-proxy: 8network.http.max-persistent-connections-per-server: 4pdfjs.disabled: trueplugin.scan.Acrobat: 200.0plugin.scan.plid.all: falseplugin.scan.Quicktime: 200.0plugin.scan.WindowsMediaPlayer: 200.0plugin.state.flash: 0plugin.state.java: 0plugins.hideMissingPluginsNotification: trueplugins.notifyMissingFlash: falseprivacy.clearOnShutdown.offlineApps: trueprivacy.donottrackheader.enabled: trueprivacy.sanitize.sanitizeOnShutdown: truesecurity.enable_java: falsesecurity.xpconnect.plugin.unrestricted: falsewebgl.disabled: trueAnd here is my userChrome.css file. Ive put in some comments to explain what it will do.https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1472111/userChrome.cssTo install, go to your profile folder. This is usually located in %AppData%\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\random characters.profilenameIf the folder chrome doesnt exist, create it, then paste the userChrome.css file into this folder. Restart Firefox. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=197369#p197369 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility
Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility In case anyone is interested, here are the changes Ive made to my about:config settings.browser.cache.disk.capacity: 51200browser.cache.disk.smart_size.enabled: falsebrowser.cache.frecency_experiment: 3browser.cache.memory.capacity: 25600browser.history_expire_days.mirror: 1browser.newtab.url: about:blankbrowser.privatebrowsing.autostart: truebrowser.search.suggest.enabled: falsebrowser.sessionstore.restore_on_demand: falsebrowser.sessionstore.resume_from_crash: falsebrowser.tabs.animate: falsebrowser.tabs.autoHide: truebrowser.tabs.closeWindowWithLastTab: falsebrowser.tabs.drawInTitlebar: falsebrowser.tabs.loadInBackground: falsebrowser.tabs.warnOnClose: falsebrowser.urlbar.autocomplete.enabled: falsebrowser.urlbar.autoFill: falsebrowser.urlbar.trimURLs: falsegfx.direct2d.disabled: truelayers.acceleration.disabled: truenetwork.cookie.cookieBeh avior: 2network.cookie.lifetimePolicy: 2network.cookie.maxNumber: 50network.http.max-connections: 200network.http.max-connections-per-server: 20network.http.max-persistent-connections-per-proxy: 8network.http.max-persistent-connections-per-server: 4pdfjs.disabled: truepermissions.default.image: 2plugin.scan.Acrobat: 200.0plugin.scan.plid.all: falseplugin.scan.Quicktime: 200.0plugin.scan.WindowsMediaPlayer: 200.0plugin.state.flash: 0plugin.state.java: 0plugins.hideMissingPluginsNotification: trueplugins.notifyMissingFlash: falseprivacy.clearOnShutdown.offlineApps: trueprivacy.donottrackheader.enabled: trueprivacy.sanitize.sanitizeOnShutdown: truesecurity.enable_java: falsesecurity.xpconnect.plugin.unrestricted: falsewebgl.disabled: trueAnd here is my userChrome.css file. Ive put in some comments to explain what it will do.https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1472111/userChrome.cssTo install, go to your profile folder. This is usually located in %AppData%\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\random characters.profilenameIf the folder chrome doesnt exist, create it, then paste the userChrome.css file into this folder. Restart Firefox. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=197369#p197369 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility I havent looked at this topic in a week or so, so just catching up now.Ive been using NVDA as my primary screen reader for over a year now, maybe even two, and in all that time, I havent seen a single Firefox crash.Then again... I dont install Flash/Java or let scripts run globally, so... Maybe that has something to do with it. In part, at least.Ive been making more customizations to my setup, removing unnecessary toolbar buttons, hiding unused menu options with a userChrome.css file, etc. At first, I thought the customization page was inaccessible, but it works surprisingly well with NVDAs object navigation. I havent used object navigation much, so I didnt think to try it at first.If anyone would like help configuring or using Firefox, let me know. Im happy to help. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=197316#p197316 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility In fact, if its possible, please help me onto how to disable forever some add-ons. I click: never activate, but it doesnt take effect.Thanks. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=197327#p197327 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility When I bought my first computer about 5 years ago I remember it was a 64 bit windows 7, it worked pritty good, but I couldnt find jaws 64 bit, then I changed to a windows 7 ultimate - 32 bit. It I find the 32 bit edition of windows much slow though I cant find where does it come from as Im not an expert on computer, but I can say that 64 bit edition works faster and better. I also use an android device running android 4.4.2. I like a very good feature there in my samsung device, The task manager. The task manager provides for tabs, and the fourth one is called Ram tab. In this tab you can close all active application and therefore the phone will run faster; something that doesnt exist on windows. I would love so much to have such an application which closes unneeded apps running in background. It can free up to 200 MB of ram. for example, if my ram is 850 MB of 1.5 MB, it can reduce it to 650 MB. and actually the accessibility is not on windows. Im sorry that android passes it away. although talkback cant be compared to jaws, there are other features which may exist on windows, but we cannot take advantage of because the screen reader might not be compatible with a certain program, or that program crashes when using a certain screen reader. I am disappointed from the accessibility at least in windows 7. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=197211#p197211 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility When I bought my first computer about 5 years ago I remember it was a 64 bit windows 7, it worked pritty good, but I couldnt find jaws 64 bit, then I changed to a windows 7 ultimate - 32 bit. It I find the 32 bit edition of windows much slow though I cant find where does it come from as Im not an expert on computer, but I can say that 64 bit edition works faster and better. I also use an android device running android 4.4.2. I like a very good feature there in my samsung device, The task manager. The task manager provides four tabs, and the fourth one is called Ram tab. In this tab you can close all active application and therefore the phone will run faster; something that doesnt exist on windows. I would love so much to have such an application which closes unneeded apps running in background. It can free up to 200 MB of ram. for example, if my ram is 850 MB of 1.5 GB, it can reduce it to 650 MB. and something that I consider very important, the accessibility is not so good on windows. Im sorry that android passes it away. although talkback cant be compared to jaws, there are other features which may exist on windows, but we cannot take advantage of because the screen reader might not be compatible with a certain program, or that program crashes when using a certain screen reader, something that doesnt occur on android. I am disappointed from the accessibility at least in windows 7 edition. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=197211#p197211 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility Yeah, Ive experienced the silly Back-needs-Refresh nonsense on Safari too.Interesting youre saying Chrome works well in VoiceOver; perhaps its progressed in leaps and bounds since I last tried it. But when I did, half the controls werent even labelled. I wonder if the increased popularity has something to do with this? I shall try it again, for sure (without ChromeVox).I like Reader. I also like the links sidebar; if you configure your social networks, links will appear there from your social stream. Very awesome. Safari was always a very pleasant and well-balanced browser in that respect. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=197226#p197226 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility I have both JAWS and NVDA, purely in the interests of objectivity. FWIW, it wasnt so much the crashing for me, though I realise this can be a problem for some people, more the massive spikes in CPU load that make both the browser very unresponsive and the machine begin to slow down as a whole as the screen reader itself is impacted. You know theres something up when you need the taskkill tool just because a particular web page decides to use a Flash ad and your last session reload takes minutes instead of seconds. Quite sad really, that Firefox is _still_ a 32-bit process that cannot effectively make use of multiprocessor systems with lots of memory. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=196947#p196947 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility I do not have these problems at all. But then again I have a decently powerful box which, honestly, may not be the norm for blind people.I was using Jaws and FF, and it was clearly and definitively Jaws. Jaws for Windows is basically hacks for Windows. They have trouble with a lot of modern things or at least they did when I left: their 30 years or so of legacy means theyre in a bad place to be spec. All of my Firefox crashes were related to Jaws keyboard hooks failing. Im also not known for opening huge numbers of tabs, etc. It is worth noting that I have a friend who opens literally a hundred or so tabs regularly without issue and that, when I switched to NVDA, all of my Firefox problems basically vanished overnight.Also, Firefox is apparently working on multiprocessing support of some sort. And I have yet to see anything that actually benefits from 64-bit in my own experience, so I dont quite see how that h elps-if the web browser is using more than 4 GB of ram, theyve got other problems. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=196950#p196950 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility Cant disagree that JFW is a bundle of hacks, but it still has its redeeming features, which is why I use it (havent tried the other guys recently, actually, so I should). I usually have about 30 tabs open; cant recall going much beyond that. Im definitely an information sponge though and like very much to sync/suspend/resume sessions a lot. While I support the argument that memory conservation is a good strategy, its also not a very good excuse for being 32-bit, either. In fact Mozilla seem to be chopping features--any feature at all, really--to keep to this pointless and old-world limit. I realise Mozilla are hard pressed enough as it is, but love em or hate em, both Google and Apple have gone multiprocess 64-bit and the performance and powersaving are absolutely there. We dont need to be constrained to 4GB, and even if we did, it ought to be per runaway _javascript_ interpreter, not the whole browser, because sadly we arent liv ing in an ideal world where web pages and plug-ins can be trusted. And yes both Safari and Chrome are memory hogs, which is of course the other side of the coin. But yeah, Ive got 16 GB of memory here; Ill be fine.I dont know, Ill try again on a Fresh Win7 install to get Firefox working, as I do see the accessibility advantages. Im just a bit annoyed at this bloody mediocrity. Come on Mozilla! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=196960#p196960 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility This may be of interest to you.As for Jaws, Im curious what you need. NVDA is getting ready to have browse mode support for Word, for example. I know JFW has a lot of domain-specific stuff, but as a programmer, switching to NVDA was the best thing I ever did. If youve not seriously tried them recently (i.e. last year or so), you might want to look again. My objections to jaws are philosophical, but most people dont disagree with them; unfortunately, one of the two main ones is something that only programmers can really appreciate.Even with them, I didnt leave until my authorization broke and I had no choice but to use a dongle and was forcing shutdowns more than twice a week because, when applications went unresponsive, sometimes Jaws would kill the keyboard along with them. I know it was Jaws because I used NVDA on the same machine with the same software for 6 mon ths or so after I switched; and my Firefox crashes were due to this plus the fact that, with Jaws, Firefox often goes unresponsive. In the specific case of Firefox, theres apparently a deadlock somewhere that causes Firefox to not come back. Hence, no keyboard or mouse. I didnt leave because adblock+ is a killer feature and, as a programmer, 50% of my time (not my time on the computer, literally all of my time) is spent on a myriad of random web sites looking bits and pieces up. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=196965#p196965 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility sorry Camlorn, thats not an answer. firefox does even crash when using NVDA. Its almost the same. Fortunately its working a bit better using jaws 16 which was improved in some ways. I also think that processor and ram play an important role regarding to this problem. I have a laptop and a desktop with different specifications and in my desktop computer powered by a processor 3.0 GHZ it runs faster and it doesnt crashes so much, while in my laptop with a 1.4 GHZ processor it crashes frequently. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=196968#p196968 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility I agree with that Afrim, you notice the difference first with NVDA aposed to jaws, then with extentions for limiting ram usage coupled with temp file cleaning, then with a computer with better specs.Yeah I also Keep Jaws around too, as a secondary backup, and I always smile when I imagine what FS would think of that. ROFLI mostly keep it for specific scripts, and for trying on things NVDA cant figure out, but also if something gets messed up with either one, like a corrupted config file with NVDA or removed authorizationf or JFW.And I do actually notice better performance with some programs on 64 bit windows, but I think that has more to do with surpassed limitations allowing coders to optomise better rather than just, its 64 bit so its better.Good examples of this are The Cube, literally 25 times less physical and vertual average RAM usage on 7 compared to XP, and Avast, able to run on a 1.0ghz dual core AMD E1 Netbook with 2GB of RAM from Acer, because its running 8.1, on XP youd just fucking die, same with 7 for most average set ups for even some advanced scanning, and that computer doesnt even have an SSD, nore a 7200RPM drive. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=196971#p196971 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility Yeah, I remember when Electrolysis was first being discussed. I really hope they push this through.I used JFW mostly for the usual screen-scraping suspects, and NVDA for the Windows OS. I havent been using NVDA in a good while, though, so I have yet to see how it performs with everyday tasks rather than just the odd Windows app or Visual Studio, both which have been my focus recently. Right now, its a very excellent screen reader for updating Windows and getting JAWS installed, but Ill see (as I migrate back to Windows) how far I can get with it. Office apps and Flat review are still JAWS strengths as far as I can tell, but since Ive had a taste of proper accessibility, Ill be interested to see how I get on with NVDA. No doubt Ill need JAWS in order to hack the few apps which need it, like QT apps, and games that do any kind of GDI directly, or some Delphi stuff like CheatEngine where there is a lot of heavy custom text widgetry. And Ive heard that console windows are better now, so Ill check that out, as thats rather important. Skype is still a bitch, of course, and Im migrating Pegasus to Thunderbird, so thatll work with NVDA. I do like Eloquence, its true. And Ive found the IE+JAWS combo to be more responsive than with Firefox; I guess thats the flip side. But Ill give Firefox a proper go and customise it to use less cycles. So well see how it goes. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=196985#p196985 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility It is not true that there is an eloquence add-on for NVDA, and it is not true that if you go looking you will find it. It is unfortunate that I cannot tell you specifically where you cant get it from.The NVDA people also basically duplicated Eloquence to the point that I thought the non-eloquence sample on their survey a while back was a control, but apparently there was a huge backlash on the mailing list because people are apparently fixating on the name. As a result, theyre now not able to justify developing it, so its sitting there 75% done. Figuring out what is needed to finish this is on my to-do list as it would also work on Linux and, if someone wrote a voice for it, on Mac--they want to get it upstream into Espeak proper.QT is a problem in a lot of places and for a lot of people. I dont believe that Jaws works well with it either, but have not had occasion to actually attempt such. Someone or other at NVDA was talking about a patch that will make QT5 (which is apparently doing something technical and nonstandard with COM that breaks hard in an NVDA dependency) work right, but this patch has to go somewhere that is not NVDA and Im not sure as to the status or plans for it. NVDA works fine for everything I do for college, including Word/excel, and nothing is working right enough with VS that Id actually suggest using VS for anything. Also, Google is apparently suggesting that NVDA works best with their stuff and it turns out that sheets actually seems to work nicely. Docs is a little bit...interesting...but unfortunately in a way that isnt ever going to quite work on windows without them doing what theyre doing already.32 vs. 64 bit is not something that may properly be evaluated with an OS upgrade: the OS upgrade probably has more to do with it. The Qube is known for randomly using Ram and also fails as a reliable benchmark. U nless youre doing mathematical or scientific computing and writing in C/C++, the gain from 64-bit code is minimal. It is much more likely that the benefits came from RAM read/write speed improvements, faster HDD (not necessarily SSD), better CPU caching algorithms, core OS improvements and, possibly, specific OS optimizations that only work on 64-bit machines. We live in a world where you can have two processors that look identical in terms of GHZ but still have one of them outperform by a lot because its a few years newer. It is not possible to run 32-bit code on a 64-bit machine and actually get a benefit: your 32-bit code simply gets virtualized, basically. You need binaries that are specifically recompiled. As for web browsers? Yeah, 64-bit could help, but it would actually require that they be doing things in such a way that it would help. Multiple processors would probably help more, or at least a greater focus on threads ( but processes provide robustness in case one of them crashes). If they wanted, they could possibly restructure their code so that the compiler is able to optimize for 64-bit machines, provide 2 binaries, and all that-but Im not convinced that theyd get much out of the effort. Not to mention all the obscure 64-bit portability bugs. Could I be convinced? Yes, but only by something objective and technical that spells out what Im missing.Im also not trying to answer the Firefox question. But Ive heard a lot of anecdotes about Firefox and Jaws that are similar to mine and at least one person I know says that Firefox is faster with NVDA and IE is faster with Jaws. Given all the crap Jaws does and the fact that I can make a case for them having actually hurt accessibility as a whole pretty badly (even though they were helping it originally), Ive got no reason at all to believe that Jaws isnt to blame for my troubles. My backup screen reader is a portable copy of NVDA, a setup which is almost impossible to break. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=196994#p196994 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility Nods, well, thats probably true, though this was a shitty computer, 2.13ghz dual core Intel I3 first gen with 2M l3 Cash and integrated Intel graphics HD1000, Toshiba JPTR9 motherboard, Samsung 4gb 800mhz dual channel ram 2dim, and a Hatachi Travelstar K7 320GB HDD at 5400RPM on SataII, it was originally a 7 Pro downgrade, but I upgraded it back, silly school.I doubt it has much in the name of optomisation aside from the half assed slap it on and go 64bit compatibility, and yet these readings were taken from that machine before and after the upgrade, the other machine was just a Netbook of my dads.Your probably right though, from your posts on other topics, its a safe bet, you know lots of things about lots of other things... I dont. ROFL. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=197007#p197007 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility on windows, I really like firefox for windows. it is probably one of the best browsers in my oppinion for browsers under windows URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=197010#p197010 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility Hello. This is an excellent topic. I will start with IE and Firefox. Please note I only used Firefox on Windows so cant speak to its accessibility on other platforms. I found it to be pretty accessible for the most part, although I couldnt get some of the functions to work. These include the plugins such as Firevox. So that part I think was inaccessible for me. Additionally, it seemed I had to restart this browser when done listening to an audio file. In addition, I dont think Firefox works with System Access. Internet Exploder was also pretty good in terms of accessibility, although I havent used it for awhile so I dont know about the versions above 9.x . IE and Ff crashed on me almost all the time though. Now I will talk about Chrome and Safari. Ill start with Chrome. When I tried to use it with System Access in Windows, I couldnt get anything to work. However, it works pretty much flawlessly with both Chromevox and VoiceOver. Chromevox seemed to crash a lot though, so I removed it from my Mac. Now to Safari, which I use in addition to Chrome. Both work extremely well with VoiceOver. I really like the extra features that Apple implemented in Safari, such as the Reader. For those of you who have never tried this feature, it lets you view only the text on a web page. It doesnt work on all websites, but its a great feature. Im up to version 7.1 of Safari, and most of the time the command to go back a page doesnt work with VoiceOver. However, there is a work-around for this which Ive found to be very good. That is, refreshing the page with Command-R if the back command wont work. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=197011#p197011 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility I use mostly chrom and firefox. I love firefox, but the most downside of it is that it crashes a lot. I cant even watch any video on youtube and load a page consisting of many headings and other stuff. could anybody tell me how to resolve this? so, my firefox version is 33.1, but it crashes a lot, it even make my jaws unresponsive. I have never liked internet explorer, but if we compare IE and firefox, they are almost equal, but if the developers of firefox work more on how to make it not to crash, they will make it for sure, one of the best browsers in the world, and highly accessible for us especially when using jaws. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=196883#p196883 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility Dont forget to visit youtube.com/html5 to turn on the HTML5 player for many videos. Quick fix that works most places, including embedded vids.As for Linux, its servers where it shines, not desktops. Right here, I have a home-made NAS and gateway that beats the crap out of anything made by some shiny tat manufacturer. Or it will be, once Ive finished it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=196909#p196909 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility Firefox crashes are not the fault of Firefox if youre using Jaws; go complain at Jaws for being nonstandard in all of their interactions with everything, relying on API and graphics card hooking, etc. Also, update everything if you havent: Firefox is pretty much rock solid for me. But really, Firefox and Jaws havent ever worked well together, and I dont expect they ever will. And thats on FS, not FF. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=196912#p196912 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility I dont know, it seems that on allot of systems using NVDA with out Jaws even installed, and with the latest updates to Firefox, as well as the runtimes including Flash and Java up to date, Firefox still crashs allot for a number of people that is just weirdly high and spread between operating system versions with no seeming pattern, which is really sad because its so awesome...This is why so few blind people use it that should probably be doing so, unless they found something that works for them just fine already like Sebby did, for instance, because of the unexplainable crashs.For a while this was googles homepage interacting badly with FF, and to be fare installing a few extentions helped me allot, and it barelye very crashs now, but in the beginning it sucked.Well and the thing about Jaws, weather or not thats FSs fault which Im sure it is, it doesnt change the outcome. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=196930#p196930 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility I dont know, it seems that on allot of systems using NVDA with out Jaws even installed, and with the latest updates to Firefox, as well as the runtimes including Flash and Java up to date, Firefox still crashs allot for a number of people that is just weirdly high and spread between operating system versions with no seeming pattern, which is really sad because its so awesome...This is why so few blind people use it that should probably be doing so, unless they found something that works for them just fine already like Sebby did, for instance, because of the unexplainable crashs.For a while this was googles homepage interacting badly with FF, and to be fare installing a few extentions helped me allot, and it bareley ever crashs now, but in the beginning it sucked.Well and the thing about Jaws, weather or not thats FSs fault which Im sure it is, it doesnt change the outcome. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=196930#p196930 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility I dont care about political drive behind my programs or government funded corperations and what their motives are, if they are all as constantly bad and far reaching as people say, nothing I do will really change that anyway, and they collect so much useless data that mine wont matter any more than the next 50 million peoples data, its a paranoid headache to constantly worry about, and mostly just a thing for people with way too much time on their hands to freak out about on forum topics and comment sections, and if you do simple things like clean out temp data and only run java and flash when you need it you have very little to worry about anyway security wise, I just want to brouze, not learn how to make bombs, if a swat team shows up at my house, Ill either get shot, tasered, and or thrown in prison or I wont, but probably not either way, Im not running an enterprise network here so why the hell should I care about all this?I onl y use VPNs to get around local security restrictions, if Im torrenting with bit torrent sync I take some basic extra procautions just because everyone else seems to overly enjoy doing that, but unless your ISP is watching you like a hawk you never even need it unless your stupid enough to do it in an office or school or something.Yeah I totally agree that Firefox can be really heavy on processors, but the relatively simple stuff Ive done to mine makes it load everything and log me into Webvism, put me on google and load my 20 something plugins in under 10 seconds on a 2.13ghz dual core 2mb l3, 4gb 800mhz ram 2007 toshiba running win 7 64 with default services and 750 to 1.25 gb physical ram with 20 to 30 average CPU usage at startup.If I can do that with minimal effort with out being on win 8 and only have a first gen I3 processor, than anything other than grandpappys old special addition underclocked crapbox1000, 1hz non logic al single core, 1 bit l1 cash only, 1b 1024 channel ram, running binary a ssembly alpha 0.01 with 99.99 ram and CPU usage on boot, probably can too.If these plugins werent so easy to install I mean hell they come from the site most of them and lots dont even require a restart... I might agree with you on Firefox being out of the accessibility running, but aside from being slow by default and sucking with JAWS which is completely not Firefoxs fault, its already good with accessibility out of the box.Jason most of my stuf I got from life hackers collection on the addons page on the Mozilla site, the rest I got from another collection, its a really popular one should be in the top 10 or what ever it is that show up by default, its like must have extentions or something?Heres my list though, just remember some of these have important settings, and I dont enable every one of them all of the time.Adblock Plus 2.6.6Blue Box Proxy 1.0.4DownThemAll! 2.0.17 with DTA 1clickFasterfox 3.9.85Flashblock 1.5.17FlashGot 1.5.6.8Go-Mobile 2.2.6Memory Fox 7.4My Weekly Browsing Schedule 0.8.8NewTabURL 2.2.3NextPlease 0.9.2NoScript 2.6.9.6Nuke Anything Enhanced 1.1Remove It Permanently 1.0.6.10Save File to 2.5.3Save Images 1.0.7Tor Flashproxy Badge 0.2.7Vacuum Places Improved 1.2WebVisum 0.9.2YouTube ALL HTML5 2.1.3Ziftr Alerts 3.1FlashStopper 1.2.3RightToClick 2.9.5MM yeah I also agree that the dumbed down Firefox options are annoying and so is the inability to stop Java, though, you can actually do that through the addons section under the plugins, and same with flash and it does it just fine, its just not super simple like others but to me it is... URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=196782#p196782 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility Ive currently got flash running, but I see no reason to keep it around as I cant even click most videos I want to watch with NVDA, as it always seems to say imbedded object unavailable, when using I.E with jaws seems to work fine. any ideas? This has been bothering me for a while now.Ill take a look at the add-on site, didnt know about half of these! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=196784#p196784 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility I dont care about political drive behind my programs or government funded corperations and what their motives are, if they are all as constantly bad and far reaching as people say, nothing I do will really change that anyway, and they collect so much useless data that mine wont matter any more than the next 50 million peoples data, its a paranoid headache to constantly worry about, and mostly just a thing for people with way too much time on their hands to freak out about on forum topics and comment sections, and if you do simple things like clean out temp data and only run java and flash when you need it you have very little to worry about anyway security wise, I just want to brouze, not learn how to make bombs, if a swat team shows up at my house, Ill either get shot, tasered, and or thrown in prison or I wont, but probably not either way, Im not running an enterprise network here so why the hell should I care about all this?I onl y use VPNs to get around local security restrictions, if Im torrenting with bit torrent sync I take some basic extra procautions just because everyone else seems to overly enjoy doing that, but unless your ISP is watching you like a hawk you never even need it unless your stupid enough to do it in an office or school or something.Yeah I totally agree that Firefox can be really heavy on processors, but the relatively simple stuff Ive done to mine makes it load everything and log me into Webvism, put me on google and load my 20 something plugins in under 10 seconds on a 2.13ghz dual core 2mb l3, 4gb 800mhz ram 2007 toshiba running win 7 64 with default services and 750 to 1.25 gb physical ram with 20 to 30 average CPU usage at startup.If I can do that with minimal effort with out being on win 8 and only have a first gen I3 processor, than anything other than grandpappys old special addition underclocked crapbox1000, 1hz non logic al single core, 1 bit l1 cash only, 1b 1024 channel ram, running binary assembly alpha 0.01 with 99.99 ram and CPU usage on boot, probably can too.If these plugins werent so easy to install I mean hell they come from the site most of them and lots dont even require a restart... I might agree with you on Firefox being out of the accessibility running, but aside from being slow by default and sucking with JAWS which is completely not Firefoxs fault, its already good with accessibility out of the box.Jason most of my stuf I got from life hackers collection on the addons page on the Mozilla site, the rest I got from another collection, its a really popular one should be in the top 10 or what ever it is that show up by default, its like must have extentions or something?Heres my list though, just remember some of these have important settings, and I dont enable every one of them all of the time.Adblock Plus 2.6.6Blue Box Proxy 1.0.4DownThemAll! 2.0.17 with DTA 1clickFasterfox 3.9.85Flashblock 1.5.17FlashGot 1.5.6.8Go-Mobile 2.2.6Memory Fox 7.4My Weekly Browsing Schedule 0.8.8NewTabURL 2.2.3NextPlease 0.9.2NoScript 2.6.9.6Nuke Anything Enhanced 1.1Remove It Permanently 1.0.6.10Save File to 2.5.3Save Images 1.0.7Tor Flashproxy Badge 0.2.7Vacuum Places Improved 1.2WebVisum 0.9.2YouTube ALL HTML5 2.1.3Ziftr Alerts 3.1FlashStopper 1.2.3RightToClick 2.9.5MM yeah I also agree that the dumbed down Firefox options are annoying and so is the inability to stop Java, though, you can actually do that through the addons section under the plugins, and same with flash and it does it just fine, its just not super simple like others but to me it is... URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=196782#p196782 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility Dan I have flash blocker enabled for youtube, and what that does is that it puts a button there with the link and name of the file as the buttons label, sometimes its just a play button but its easy to find with first letter navigation, when I press it it starts and then I can use O to get to the object, hit enter, and I get controls that I can tab through and adjust, the other buttons also get labeled though this may be webvism or something, doubt it though, also I get no video adds from youtube and thats not addblock plus doing that either, nor noscript.Flashblock breaks videos on some other sites though, and noscript can break java things, but applications menu has all you need in submenus so you can temp enable or perminantly enable the site or page your on.What ever you may think of having to install loads of extentions to get what you want, its an extremely satisfying feeling when you can sit back with a smile and observe that, you ve actually done it... youve finally made the internet your bitch! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=196787#p196787 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility Dan I have flash blocker enabled for youtube, and what that does is that it puts a button there with the link and name of the file as the buttons label, sometimes its just a play button but its easy to find with first letter navigation, when I press it it starts and then I can use O to get to the object, hit enter, and I get controls that I can tab through and adjust, the other buttons also get labeled though this may be webvism or something, doubt it though, also I get no video adds from youtube and thats not addblock plus doing that either, nor noscript.Flashblock breaks videos on some other sites though, and noscript can break java things, but applications menu has all you need in submenus so you can temp enable or perminantly enable the site or page your on.What ever you may think of having to install loads of extentions to get what you want, its an extremely satisfying feeling when you can sit back with a smile and observe tha t, youve actually done it... youve finally made the internet your bitch! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=196787#p196787 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility thank you for sharing your setup. Firefox is by far my preferred browser, so if I can make the internet my bitch, I now have a good idea of how to start.Ill be the first to admit that Im certainly not the most tech savvy person, something Id like to rectify one day if I can figure out how. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=196788#p196788 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility Well Im not that great either, for instance I didnt mess with my config like Jason, but lookin at the Firefox site was enough, and I guess knowing some of the terms helps with some of the settings, especially DTA, but these things are optomised to run well out of the box, the other stuff is just mostly to make your self feel better, or because its expected out of that type of application, though not many people will admit that, which isnt to say it always is, but enough of the time so that you shouldnt worry so much.If its not doing something even slightly noticeable out of the box, then it should be, and if it isnt, someone badly needs to get on that, e.g., why I dont think I want to get into Linux, though desktop isnt as bad with that, but most actually useful things... Well lets just say the average user would probably get lost quite fast in the miazma of packages that need packages that need special setti ngs that need hand edited config files that need packages that need updates that dont need some packages any more and do need others eventually you may get something cool out of it until any little thing comes along and smashs it all, but if your product doesnt help the average user when its marketed as doing such then you need to change some things.That said if you do like and know how to use Linux, thats the kind of stuff you live for, because, you like pain I guess? personally I think BDSM would probably be a better choice than Linux for servers, because Linux for servers and the more basic distros dont give any aftercare accept short lived success. ROFL URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=196800#p196800 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility
Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility Well Im not that great either, for instance I didnt mess with my config like Jason, but lookin at the Firefox site was enough, and I guess knowing some of the terms helps with some of the settings, especially DTA, but these things are optomised to run well out of the box, the other stuff is just mostly to make your self feel better, or because its expected out of that type of application, though not many people will admit that, which isnt to say it always is, but enough of the time so that you shouldnt worry so much.If its not doing something even slightly noticeable out of the box, then it should be, and if it isnt, someone badly needs to get on that, e.g., why I dont think I want to get into Linux, though desktop isnt as bad with that, but most actually useful things... Well lets just say the average user would probably get lost quite fast in the miazma of packages that need packages that need special setti ngs that need hand edited config files that need packages that need updates that dont need some packages any more and do need others eventually you may get something cool out of it until any little thing comes along and smashs it all, but if your product doesnt help the average user when its marketed as doing such then you need to change some things.That said if you do like and know how to use Linux, thats the kind of stuff you live for, because, you like pain I guess? personally I think BDSM would probably be a better choice than Linux for servers, because Linux for servers and the more basic distros dont give any aftercare accept the sweet, sweet feeling of short lived success. ROFL URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=196800#p196800 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility
Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility Well Im not that great either, for instance I didnt mess with my config like Jason, but lookin at the Firefox site was enough, and I guess knowing some of the terms helps with some of the settings, especially DTA, but these things are optomised to run well out of the box, the other stuff is just mostly to make your self feel better, or because its expected out of that type of application, though not many people will admit that, which isnt to say it always is, but enough of the time so that you shouldnt worry so much.If its not doing something even slightly noticeable out of the box, then it should be, and if it isnt, someone badly needs to get on that, e.g., why I dont think I want to get into Linux, though desktop isnt as bad with that, but most actually useful things... Well lets just say the average user would probably get lost quite fast in the miazma of packages that need packages that need special setti ngs that need hand edited config files that need packages that need updates that dont need some packages any more and do need others eventually you may get something cool out of it until any little thing comes along and smashs it all, but if your product doesnt help the average user when its marketed as doing such then you need to change some things.That said if you do like and know how to use Linux, thats the kind of stuff you live for, because, you like pain I guess? personally I think BDSM would probably be a better choice than Linux for servers, because Linux for servers and the more basic distros dont give any aftercare accept the sweet, sweet feeling of short lived success. ROFLThen again I know some people that have web, radio and game servers that run really well, and torrent nodes, and home streaming servers with NAS and VPN that can stream to anything including but not limited to: a calculator, 2 cann ;s and a string, IPhones, Androids, Blackberrys, a lime hooked up to an oven timer, the microwave, home security systems, speakers, smart TVs, stupid TVs, Macbooks and PCs, marmolade trees and electric bees...You get the point.But maybe that means that they are just the most whipped of all?I dont know, either way they are awesome, lol URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=196800#p196800 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility
Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility Well Im not that great either, for instance I didnt mess with my config like Jason, but lookin at the Firefox site was enough, and I guess knowing some of the terms helps with some of the settings, especially DTA, but these things are optomised to run well out of the box, the other stuff is just mostly to make your self feel better, or because its expected out of that type of application, though not many people will admit that, which isnt to say it always is, but enough of the time so that you shouldnt worry so much.If its not doing something even slightly noticeable out of the box, then it should be, and if it isnt, someone badly needs to get on that, e.g., why I dont think I want to get into Linux, though desktop isnt as bad with that, but most actually useful things... Well lets just say the average user would probably get lost quite fast in the miazma of packages that need packages that need special setti ngs that need hand edited config files that need packages that need updates that dont need some packages any more and do need others eventually you may get something cool out of it until any little thing comes along and smashs it all, but if your product doesnt help the average user when its marketed as doing such then you need to change some things.That said if you do like and know how to use Linux, thats the kind of stuff you live for, because, you like pain I guess? personally I think BDSM would probably be a better choice than Linux for servers, because Linux for servers and the more basic distros dont give any aftercare accept the sweet, sweet feeling of short lived success. ROFLThen again I know some people that have web, radio and game servers that run really well, and torrent nodes, and home streaming servers with NAS and VPN that can stream to anything including but not limited to: a calculator, 2 cann ;s and a string, IPhones, Androids, Blackberrys, a lime hooked up to an oven timer, the microwave, home security systems, speakers, smart TVs, stupid TVs, Macbooks and PCs, external SDDs and HDDs, marmolade trees and electric bees...You get the point.But maybe that means that they are just the most whipped of all?I dont know, either way they are awesome, lol URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=196800#p196800 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility
Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility Well Im not that great either, for instance I didnt mess with my config like Jason, but lookin at the Firefox site was enough, and I guess knowing some of the terms helps with some of the settings, especially DTA, but these things are optomised to run well out of the box, the other stuff is just mostly to make your self feel better, or because its expected out of that type of application, though not many people will admit that, which isnt to say it always is, but enough of the time so that you shouldnt worry so much.If its not doing something even slightly noticeable out of the box, then it should be, and if it isnt, someone badly needs to get on that, e.g., why I dont think I want to get into Linux, though desktop isnt as bad with that, but most actually useful things... Well lets just say the average user would probably get lost quite fast in the miazma of packages that need packages that need special setti ngs that need hand edited config files that need packages that need updates that dont need some packages any more and do need others eventually you may get something cool out of it until any little thing comes along and smashs it all, but if your product doesnt help the average user when its marketed as doing such then you need to change some things.That said if you do like and know how to use Linux, thats the kind of stuff you live for, because, you enjoy pain and soul crushing disappointment I guess? personally I think BDSM would probably be a better choice than Linux for servers, because Linux for servers and the more basic distros dont give any aftercare accept the sweet, sweet feeling of short lived success. ROFLThen again I know some people that have web, radio and game servers that run really well, and torrent nodes, and home streaming servers with NAS and VPN that can stream to anything including but not lim ited to: a calculator, 2 canns and a string, IPhones, Androids, Blackberrys, a lime hooked up to an oven timer, the microwave, home security systems, speakers, smart TVs, stupid TVs, Macbooks and PCs, external SDDs and HDDs, marmolade trees and electric bees...You get the point.But maybe that means that they are just the most whipped of all?I dont know, either way they are awesome, lol URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=196800#p196800 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility
Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility Well Im not that great either, for instance I didnt mess with my config like Jason, but lookin at the Firefox site was enough, and I guess knowing some of the terms helps with some of the settings, especially DTA, but these things are optomised to run well out of the box, the other stuff is just mostly to make your self feel better, or because its expected out of that type of application, though not many people will admit that, which isnt to say it always is, but enough of the time so that you shouldnt worry so much.If its not doing something even slightly noticeable out of the box, then it should be, and if it isnt, someone badly needs to get on that, e.g., why I dont think I want to get into Linux, though desktop isnt as bad with that, but most actually useful things... Well lets just say the average user would probably get lost quite fast in the miazma of packages that need packages that need special setti ngs that need hand edited config files that need packages that need updates that dont need some packages any more and do need others eventually you may get something cool out of it until any little thing comes along and smashs it all into tiny little peases along with your hopes and dreams, but if your product doesnt help the average user when its marketed as doing such then you need to change some things.That said if you do like and know how to use Linux, thats the kind of stuff you live for, because, you enjoy pain and soul crushing disappointment I guess? personally I think BDSM would probably be a better choice than Linux for servers, because Linux for servers and the more basic distros dont give any aftercare accept the sweet, sweet feeling of short lived success. ROFLThen again I know some people that have web, radio and game servers that run really well, and torrent nodes, and home streaming servers with NAS and VPN that can stream to anything including but not limited to: a calculator, 2 canns and a string, IPhones, Androids, Blackberrys, a lime hooked up to an oven timer, the microwave, home security systems, speakers, smart TVs, stupid TVs, Macbooks and PCs, external SDDs and HDDs, marmolade trees and electric bees...You get the point.But maybe that means that they are just the most whipped of all?I dont know, either way they are awesome, lol URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=196800#p196800 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility Well Im not that great either, for instance I didnt mess with my config like Jason, but lookin at the Firefox site was enough, and I guess knowing some of the terms helps with some of the settings, especially DTA, but these things are optomised to run well out of the box, the other stuff is just mostly to make your self feel better, or because its expected out of that type of application, though not many people will admit that, which isnt to say it always is, but enough of the time so that you shouldnt worry so much.If its not doing something even slightly noticeable out of the box, then it should be, and if it isnt, someone badly needs to get on that, e.g., why I dont think I want to get into Linux, though desktop isnt as bad with that, but most actually useful things... Well lets just say the average user would probably get lost quite fast in the miazma of packages that need packages that need special setti ngs that need hand edited config files that need packages that need updates that dont need some packages any more and do need others eventually you may get something cool out of it until any little thing comes along and smashs it all into tiny little peaces with your hopes and dreams, but if your product doesnt help the average user when its marketed as doing such then you need to change some things.That said if you do like and know how to use Linux, thats the kind of stuff you live for, because, you enjoy pain and soul crushing disappointment I guess? personally I think BDSM would probably be a better choice than Linux for servers, because Linux for servers and the more basic distros dont give any aftercare accept the sweet, sweet feeling of short lived success. ROFLThen again I know some people that have web, radio and game servers that run really well, and torrent nodes, and home streaming servers with NAS and VP N that can stream to anything including but not limited to: a calculator, 2 canns and a string, IPhones, Androids, Blackberrys, a lime hooked up to an oven timer, the microwave, home security systems, speakers, smart TVs, stupid TVs, Macbooks and PCs, external SDDs and HDDs, marmolade trees and electric bees...You get the point.But maybe that means that they are just the most whipped of all?I dont know, either way they are awesome, lol URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=196800#p196800 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility hahaha! there is absolutely no way that I couldve hoped to word that better. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=196806#p196806 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility I appreciate that add-ons/extensions are helpful, but they arent a good indicator of browser accessibility. For better or worse, multithreaded IE does actually work out of the box, more so once youve configured it of course, but it does work, and actually offers many useful controls for cookie/script blocking, with more advanced configuration without using extra add-ons. Firefox is a bloated, politically-motivated, single-process monstrosity that while it is extendable takes the p|$$ on multicore machines, spinning the CPU almost constantly when a plug-in takes control. I want to use it, but only if the architecture and power-management are improved, and Mozilla stop with this ridiculous dumbing down of the options, because otherwise you need plug-ins just to get essential functionality (like, er, turning _javascript_ on and off).Safari on Mac has been very excellent for me, though of course the obligatory extensions (Rumola, AdBlock, DaringFireballWithComments) a re installed and configured for maximum funness. I do not make the effort to block _javascript_ or first-party cookies--its pointless on todays interwebs unless you dont intend to read comment threads. Yes, ClickToFlash/ClickToPlugin are an excellent pair of extensions for any browser thatll convert things into HTML5 in many cases, but I often find it easier to just install Flash Player and let it auto-run; only on a few sites does it not, and because the player widget isnt accessible, it cant be used. For the BBC, get_iplayer is your friend, anyway.Chrome+ChromeVox works, but its quite different. Unfortunately it seriously breaks the workflow while youre using a screen reader. Chrome on Mac isnt very pleasant, and although its better on Windows, it probably still makes sense to use CV since that is going to give you the best Google-approved experien ce. Hence my interest in Trentons research; with this, Ill get the Google-approved online abstraction, when and if it materialises, but only when the work is adequate for production applications. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=196707#p196707 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility I appreciate that add-ons/extensions are helpful, but they arent a good indicator of browser accessibility. For better or worse, multithreaded IE does actually work out of the box, more so once youve configured it of course, but it does work, and actually offers many useful controls for cookie/script blocking, with more advanced configuration without using extra add-ons. Firefox is a bloated, politically-motivated, single-process monstrosity that while it is extendable takes the p|$$ on multicore machines, spinning the CPU almost constantly when a plug-in takes control. I want to use it, but only if the architecture and power-management are improved, and Mozilla stop with this ridiculous dumbing down of the options, because otherwise you need plug-ins just to get essential functionality (like, er, turning _javascript_ on and off).Safari on Mac has been very excellent for me, though of course the obligatory extensions (Rumola, AdBlock, DaringFireballWithComments) a re installed and configured for maximum funness. I do not make the effort to block _javascript_ or first-party cookies--its pointless on todays interwebs unless you dont intend to read comment threads. Yes, ClickToFlash/ClickToPlugin are an excellent pair of extensions for any browser thatll convert things into HTML5 in many cases, but I often find it easier to just install Flash Player and let it auto-run; only on a few sites does it not, and because the player widget isnt accessible, it cant be used. For the BBC, get_iplayer is your friend, anyway.Chrome+ChromeVox works, but its quite different. Unfortunately it seriously breaks the workflow while youre using a screen reader. Chrome on Mac isnt very pleasant, and although its better on Windows, it probably still makes sense to use CV since that is going to give you the best Google-approved experience. Hence my interest in Trentons research; with this, Ill get the Google-approved online abstraction, when and if it materialises, but only when the work is adequate for production applications. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=196707#p196707 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility Hi Sebby,Well, if that works for you, then thats fine. Ive personally found that IE is an all-or-nothing browser. Things may have improved in newer versions, but at least in older versions, up to IE 8-9, _javascript_ and cookies were either totally allowed, or totally blocked... Not very good control, in my opinion.The reason I use Firefox is because it is so configurable. With AdBlock Edge, I can block ads. With NoScript, I can allow scripts to run only on sites that I trust. With HTTPS Everywhere, I can make sure that I always go to the secure version of a site, if available.I havent encountered a situation where I absolutely needed Flash or Java recently, and even if I did, I would still not install them, because they are huge security risks. Thats why I make all of these modifications. For security. True, no browser can be 100% secure, but the more, the better.Anyway... Just my opinions. I dont plan on changing my setup an y time soon, if ever. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=196719#p196719 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility Hi Sebby,Well, if that works for you, then thats fine. Ive personally found that IE is an all-or-nothing browser. Things may have improved in newer versions, but at least in older versions, up to IE 8-9, _javascript_ and cookies were either totally allowed, or totally blocked... Not very good control, in my opinion.Thats part of the reason why I have IE uninstalled from Windows (programs and features - turn Windows features on or off, in case other people didnt know).The reason I use Firefox is because it is so configurable. With AdBlock Edge, I can block ads. With NoScript, I can allow scripts to run only on sites that I trust. With HTTPS Everywhere, I can make sure that I always go to the secure version of a site, if available.I havent encountered a situation where I absolutely needed Flash or Java recently, and even if I did, I would still not install them, because they are huge security risks. Thats wh y I make all of these modifications. For security. True, no browser can be 100% secure, but the more, the better.Anyway... Just my opinions. I dont plan on changing my setup any time soon, if ever. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=196719#p196719 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2014-12-06
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Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility The following below information, is a Crosspost of Post 10 , from Chromibility , for topic completeness.Chrome Security TipsFor those of ya on Windows, and wish to have a more sicure Chrome experience out of the box, ya may wish to look at Comodo Dragon. Warning: Do to how Dragon protects you within the browser, Chromevox aint gonna work well... You can navigate through Dragons menus, and interact with the Omnibox/location bar, but thats about it. Any specific browser interaction is intercepted. Dragon works fine with NVDA however. The above was teested of course, while I ws living in the Windows world.For Chromies on any Chrome supported platform, who are extremely paranoid with their browsing, or who want a nice pack of extensions to check out, have a look at the [url="" />Lifehacker Pack for Chrome: Our List of the Essential Extensions.[/url] In that list, theres a section on Security, where the famous Adblock Plus is among that list. However, most Chromies are now instead using the Adblock extension from getadblock.com/ , as Adblock Plus wishes to keep some ads unblocked by default do to sponsorship.As a bonus, dont wish to deal with Flash content anymore, have a look at the FlashControl extension. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=196730#p196730 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility Flash is absolute bloated garbage, dont bother with it and block it, unless its absolutely mandatory. And if its absolutely mandatory, tell the web designer to stop sucking so terribly at web design URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=196735#p196735 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility Just block Flash isnt a viable strategy, at least not in the UK, where public money is being squandered on this crap by the BBC. I know, Im a Mac user; I have had every vile reason to block Flash, and others besides. It just doesnt work, in the real world. We can only hope that flashless iOS will continue to erode the need for Flash, but as long as even Google are keeping it alive, I dont hold out much hope that it will be any time soon. Perhaps the ultimate irony will be that EME, that is DRM in HTML 5, will be our saviour--though I have many reasons to absolutely hate that, too, it seems inevitable as content publishers want to have their cake and eat it too. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=196741#p196741 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2014-12-06
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Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility If you wish to completely disable the built-in Flash player from any Google Chrome product, please see This official Google Chrome Support Help page. Applies to all PC systems. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=196748#p196748 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
State of Web Browser Accessibility
State of Web Browser Accessibility Can people who have tried all the major browsers (IE, Firefox, Chrome, Safari) express an opinion concerning the accessibility of each?It is OK to suggest ways to improve accessibility, but the default state of the browser is always the preferred starting point. You can talk about it from the perspective of any screen reader and/or OS and make comparisons as you like. Obviously, it goes without saying that many opinions are just that, opinions, and there will be no right answer that matches every criterium sought by any person.You may be wondering why Im asking. The short answer is that Id like to know how well Chrome works, because I feel that the duopoly of Firefox and IE on Doze are somewhat of a choice between bad and worse, rather than better and best, as it really should be. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=196596#p196596 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility The best, for me is Firefox, the problem with Firefox is that it just flat out refuzes to run right on allot of systems, which is moronic because there is no reason, that and it takes up allot of ram, but, there are allot of accessible pluggins you can get for it off the Firefox addon website that help with running it, ram usage, and accessibility.These addons arent hard to install for any brouzer, and actually Id say that Firefox is the easiest to install addons into even then, so only judging on how they perform at defaults is kind of silly IMO.I didnt like google chrome when I tried it, first because at the time, every brouzer across the bord was having huge problems with flash, but google chrome just made it so yeah, it worked, but everything stuttered, which I guess was better, but then everything lagged on that page, you also couldnt see the page title with out alt tabbing and alt tabbing back, and all that speed, which is re ally overhyped by the way its no faster than Firefox or newer versions of IE on 8 and above, is traded for truely massive amounts of malware breeding, brouzer slowing, OS confusing temp files.Some of that may have changed, from the last time I used it, though not the temp files thing, I know because I clean out peoples computers allot and that bastard is always 75 percent of the damned problem...Also remember, google has never been that great with accessibility, lots of their applications just suck with it, they love little flash and java controlled appplits with lots of big pretty pictures for the people to click and drag and play with... Because its just s easy!So dont be surprised if a bunch of important dialogs it comes up with are crap, though NVDA I heard gets better with the google chrone all the time.IE well, the thing its used for most, statisticly, is downloading other brouzers... Really do I need to say more? I do? okay...Its horribly, laughably slow, vonerable to every security risk there is, including dirty looks, and its feature set sucks.To be fare, the newer versions are faster, but only if your on 8 or above, but youll need to deal with metro apps, unless thats okay with you and then, I guess, more power to ya, you crazy person?But yes, my Firefox is tricked out to the extreme and I love it, it took almsot no effort to get it this way, and yet I can solve most Captchas, I have a download manager built in with throttle, multiple connection support, network limit bypassing for downloads and brouzing, I can download flash videos from the page, or several at once, I can do the same with all pictures on a page with out knowing where they are or having the original links, I can remove any element I want and put it back, I can stop all running scripts, I can load youtube videos with no adds and with out them autoplaying, then start them when I want and use all the controls sited people can, I can open any link with a vpn, I can see all the coupons for a site at the bottom of the page Im on under an unobtrusive heading with a link to a page of them all, I can schedule actions to be done like going to certain pages, downloading something, opening the brouzer etc, for times and days, I can run Firefox with way less ram usage, I can compress the database with a keystroke, I can lock dynamic controls, I can go to the next or previous page in several with a keystroke from anywhere on it, and best of all, I get almost no popups at all. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=196604#p196604 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility The best, for me is Firefox, the problem with Firefox is that it just flat out refuzes to run right on allot of systems, which is moronic because there is no reason, that and it takes up allot of ram, but, there are allot of accessible pluggins you can get for it off the Firefox addon website that help with running it, ram usage, and accessibility.These addons arent hard to install for any brouzer, and actually Id say that Firefox is the easiest to install addons into even then, so only judging on how they perform at defaults is kind of silly IMO.I didnt like google chrome when I tried it, first because at the time, every brouzer across the bord was having huge problems with flash, but google chrome just made it so yeah, it worked, but everything stuttered, which I guess was better, but then everything lagged on that page, you also couldnt see the page title with out alt tabbing and alt tabbing back, and all that speed, which is re ally overhyped by the way its no faster than Firefox or newer versions of IE on 8 and above, is traded for truely massive amounts of malware breeding, brouzer slowing, OS confusing temp files.Some of that may have changed, from the last time I used it, though not the temp files thing, I know because I clean out peoples computers allot and that bastard is always 75 percent of the damned problem...Also remember, google has never been that great with accessibility, lots of their applications just suck with it, they love little flash and java controlled appplits with lots of big pretty pictures for the people to click and drag and play with... Because its just s easy!So dont be surprised if a bunch of important dialogs it comes up with are crap, though NVDA I heard gets better with the google chrone all the time.IE well, the thing its used for most, statisticly, is downloading other brouzers... Really do I need to say more? I do? okay...Its horribly, laughably slow, vonerable to every security risk there is, including dirty looks, and its feature set sucks.To be fare, the newer versions are faster, but only if your on 8 or above, but youll need to deal with metro apps, unless thats okay with you and then, I guess, more power to ya, you crazy person?But yes, my Firefox is tricked out to the extreme and I love it, it took almost no effort to get it this way, and yet I can solve most Captchas, I have a download manager built in with throttle, multiple connection support, network limit bypassing for downloads and brouzing, I can download flash videos from the page, or several at once, I can do the same with all pictures on a page with out knowing where they are or having the original links, I can remove any element I want and put it back, I can stop all running scripts, I can load youtube videos with no adds and with out them autoplaying, then start them when I want and use all the controls sited people can, I can open any link with a vpn, I can see all the coupons for a site at the bottom of the page Im on under an unobtrusive heading with a link to a page of them all, I can schedule actions to be done like going to certain pages, downloading something, opening the brouzer etc, for times and days, I can run Firefox with way less ram usage, I can compress the database with a keystroke, I can lock dynamic controls, I can go to the next or previous page in several with a keystroke from anywhere on it, I can make sites always put me on the mobile version of their site which is usually more accessible, and best of all, I get almost no popups at all.I tried crap sorry on a mac once, I didnt understand why the hell you had to pick the element you wanted to jump to from a list that is long and raps around, I was able to remove and reorganize said list, but it sti ll felt like spinning a giant wheel to pick which page you wanted to turn to in a book, or more accurately what line you wanted to read, or something equally as mideval and inefficient.I heard you could quote. set, it, up. end quote. to work with keystrokes for those options, my question was, why the hell is it not that way in the first place? And even if theres actual shortcut key combinations, why should I be performing keyboard acrobatics just to read some stuff on a web page that I may even find out I dont care about in a few seconds? Id rather use letter navigation, or at least really short combos like command H.The people that can use it seem to be really fast with it though, so if you can figure it out, it seems to get the job done, though it missed things that I was able to catch with Firefox on windows on the same pages...On windows, saphari is sorta meh, kinda between IE and Firefox? least last time I checked, and a bit weird, its set up also tries to get you to install a bunch of apple shit no one ever needed in the history of the universe on a PC, lol.But it does work, I just dont see the point its way different from mac saphari... URL: http
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Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility Talking web browsers, best screen reader to use with IE now these days is Narrator on Windows 8 and above. Firefox is a bit nicer if using GNU/Linux instead of Windows, since you can either use the Gecko cursor or the Orca cursor, with a press of a hot key. Also with Firefox and Orca under Linux, you can now make focus mode sticky, unlike with NVDA under Windows, for those web apps, such as Yahoo Mail.Hmm. As for Chrome, best screen reader to browse the web on there, is of course Chromevox, though NVDA, VoiceOver, and The Shark have their degree of accessibility, depending on which screen reader used.As for Flash with web browsers, Chrome users can check out This Extension to turn Flash vids in to HTML5 ones, if there isnt an HTML5 mode already, while FireFox users can check out This page, which although is a guide for users of the Trisquel GNU/Linux Distro, it gives recommendations on how you can watch Flash vids without needing to actually install flash itself. The page linked above is good for all Firefox official and forked versions. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=196610#p196610 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility Hi Defender,I would love to know what firefox extensions you use.I wont use anything other than Firefox these days. I have AdBlock Edge, Better Privacy, NoScript and HTTPS Everywhere installed. All ads are blocked, _javascript_ is allowed for sites where I absolutely need it, etc.Id like to hear what else you have. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=196625#p196625 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility
Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility Hi Defender,I would love to know what firefox extensions you use.I wont use anything other than Firefox these days. I have AdBlock Edge, Better Privacy, NoScript and HTTPS Everywhere installed. All ads are blocked, _javascript_ is allowed for sites where I absolutely need it, etc.Id like to know what else you have. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=196625#p196625 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility
Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility Hi Defender,I would love to know what firefox extensions you use.I wont use anything other than Firefox these days. I have AdBlock Edge, Better Privacy, NoScript and HTTPS Everywhere installed. All ads are blocked, _javascript_ and cookies are only allowed for sites where I absolutely need them, etc.Id like to know what else you have. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=196625#p196625 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility
Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility Hi Defender,I would love to know what firefox extensions you use.I wont use anything other than Firefox these days. I have AdBlock Edge, Better Privacy, NoScript and HTTPS Everywhere installed. All ads are blocked, _javascript_ and cookies are only allowed for sites where I absolutely need them, etc.Ive also made some about:config tweaks, such as disabling DOM/offline storage, WebGL, the builtin PDF viewer, etc.Id like to know what else you have. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=196625#p196625 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility
Re: State of Web Browser Accessibility Hi Defender,I would love to know what firefox extensions you use.I wont use anything other than Firefox these days. I have AdBlock Edge, Better Privacy, NoScript and HTTPS Everywhere installed. All ads are blocked, _javascript_ and cookies are only allowed for sites where I absolutely need them, etc.Ive also made some about:config tweaks, such as disabling DOM/offline storage, WebGL, the builtin PDF viewer, etc.Id like to know what else you have.Edit: I also just found a way to disable those annoying alerts asking if you want to install Flash. As a rule, I will not install Any Adobe products, or any Java software on my machines. Absolutely no exceptions. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=196625#p196625 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
