Why do so many blindies bash android?
Why do so many blindies bash android? Hi audio gamersI have a question for you all.Why do so many blind people hate android with a passion? sware by android, yeah, mock me all you wantSo, i'm just really wondering why. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433727/#p433727 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Why do so many blindies bash android?
Why do so many blindies bash android? Hi audio gamersI have a question for you all.Why do so many blind people hate android with a passion? I sware by android, yeah, mock me all you wantSo, i'm just really wondering why. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433727/#p433727 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why do so many blindies bash android?
Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? because they are married to their IPhone. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433728/#p433728 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why do so many blindies bash android?
Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @Ty Maybe things changed, but in the beginning at least accessibility with android was not good even on aps which came with the phone by default. Furthermore in my opinion, the l-shaped movement that was required in the android version I tried was very confusing,. I never understood how to do the equivalent of a left flick or right flick on voiceover to read previous or next element. Because Apple was first to do good accessibility of at the very least the things which came with the phone it got adopted first. If somebody can convince me that things changed greatly, and show me how to actually use it, I would be very willing to try again. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433739/#p433739 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why do so many blindies bash android?
Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Hi.I've never bashed android myself, but I do like apple products because they are so simple to use out of the box. I've played around with android and it's okay, it can't compete with my iPhone for sure! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433740/#p433740 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? still a larger amount of accessible apps available for Iphone, plus people tend to like the built in voiceover voices better. No need to worry about if the model you get will have a bunch of interface tweaks to remove or inaccessible built in apps (apple does do quite well with keeping their home made apps consistent) , and Iphone gestures are easier for beginners to learn. Additionally, at least the last time I checked, braille support still isn't up to snuff on Android, and it also has wider compatibility with hearing aids for the not insignificant amount of blind people who also have some level of hearing difficulty.Other more general reasons include better security, not having to shop around for a model with the right specs when you aren't good with tech, and the (limiting for some) simplicity of IOS in general particularly around multimedia.People who are quite comfortable with technology can get allot out of an Android of course, but seeing as how most blind people are older or were pretty sheltered and are therefore stuck with the familiar notetaker or windows and JAWS combo before transitioning to a touchscreen, it makes sense that novices direct the market.That's not to say all people who use Iphones are noobs or something, many just don't feel the need to complicate things when they are perfectly happy with what they have and are able to pay Apple prices, which I think is fine.Besides, lots of blind people from poorer countries use Androids out of necessity, and your only not hearing from them as much because not many speak English fluently. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433743/#p433743 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? The problem is that people are literally basing their experience off of party devices, which admittedly is something that Android did stand for, but were forgetting that brands usually abused the power to modify the interface. There is no android experience that was worse than my galaxy tablet. I have stuck with the nexus/pixel line for years and have never been disappointed by any of them, and haven't much issue with Google starting to hit the ground running with what I would call hardware semi-exclusivity. This means:1. Google does have a storefront now, and as such, it only sells Google products and trusted made for google accessories. Even Samsung is booted out.2. On the subject of made for google accessories, contrary to Apple, just because accessories are made for google doesn't mean that nearly all features of them can't be taken advantage of on any android device. Take pixel buds for example. The google assistant-activated earbuds? Yeah, they work just fine on any relatively new android device.3. Android accessibility has improved significantly, but you really need a pixel to take advantage of all the changes as you will get the newest version of android right away. Plus you'll get things like the gesture-based fingerprint sensor that Talkback takes advantage of to have a sort of makeshift roter that actually works quite nice. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433745/#p433745 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why do so many blindies bash android?
Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Simple.Because Android wasn't accessible out of the box.Just like Discord.But both has gotten much better. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433763/#p433763 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why do so many blindies bash android?
Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Hi.Hmm, probably because many blind people got their first glimpses of Android when the accessibility was still in it's early stages and wasn't really good for anything.I remember playing around with a samsung galaxy s back in the day, around 2013 I think and I was at a point where I just wanted to be done with that crap.I recently reset my mothers galaxy s3 mini and even though talkback was enabled, explore by touch wasn't there, so I had to tab around the screen a multitude of times till I found explore by touch.It's not that I do not hate android, but the times where I tried it out, this year even still bring up points which I can achieve easier on my iPhone due to a more fluent workflow. I have no problems in looking up devices and their specifications, installing other launchers or interfaces, but still, even though it might be locked into a system, I like my iPhone for what it is, reliable, functional and fit for the job I need it for.Also I think that sites like applevis really enforce the android hate, i have the feeling if you are not complying with the beliefs of all the other forum members, you are an outcast already.Greetings Moritz. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433770/#p433770 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? I am what you call a Android fan have been using Android since I didn't want to upgrade to the iPhone 5 years ago. I currently have the razer phone and I'm loving it especially the jewel Dolby Atmos speakers.to me it comes down to what type of person you are if you want it basic simple and sweet majority use apple if you are a techy and like more bang for your buck Android is your adventure.Each To their own but the overpriced pieces of Apple glass and no SD card slots put me off the phones and the fact that they were getting slower with every update put me off totally.don't get me wrong I'm not apple bashing as my favourite Apple device is my iPad which is glued to me at all times. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433782/#p433782 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Oh so it works on the basis of if it wasn't accessible 5 years ago and now it is, we still don't care about it. Applevis, I listened to one podcasd, to be exact the interview with devs of DiceWorld, and as soon as the guy started saying something along the lines of, even Android has recently improved a lot, you could clearly hear it was edited out. Then, he mentioned Android in another context, how they are preparing for some more updates on that side as well, and they were like, oh yeah, I guess if somebody has an Android tablet or something like that, as if nobody can use Android as a primary device. I get that they are an Apple community, but creating such an image with developers is so selfish and I cannot even believe people do that. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433785/#p433785 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? So,Jieshuo:http://t.me/jieshuochat, is a screen reader built from the "ground up," dedicated to to more people in more nations, and is "NOT" powered by "Play Store" componence, owned by "Google." NB. Jieshuo (also known as "Commentary" in English speaking countries,) is on the "Play Store," though is currently broken at this time. The devs are trying to get English traanslating done, and braille support added too, thus go and download the latest beta from the Telegram group I provided if ya wish to try it. Now look, I am happy for what Google did bringing a screen reader to Android and all. What I am not happy about, is the time it took to bring it up to a "decent" program. That Google Accessibility Framework, hasn't been updated much at all, and unlike with Samsung's "Voice Assistant," you can't properly use "Braille Back" unless ya have Talkback runnng!(At least with Voice Assistant, ya have a "Voice Speech" toggle, ya got that with "Voice View" on Fire Tablets too!Oh, and if you haven't seen that "Android Accessibility" session they did (even if it was for developers,) well... Watch it on the "Google Devs" Youtube channel.(The Chrome OS teadm does a much better job, trust me!)So, this ain't all of the fault of the Android platform itself, its the Google Accessibility Android team itself!Oh, and if ya want to know what makes Commentary so special, I'll ask if Noona can put up the latest draft of the Commentary manual as a new thread up in the Off Topic room here.Take care everyone! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433787/#p433787 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Because Android just isn't where it should be in terms of accessibility.I entered the world of touchscreen devices with an Android phone in 2013. I went the hard way; I wanted to explore; I wanted to do whatever I pleased with my device. Used the phone for like a year and a half and then gave the phone to my father because I couldn't take advantage of what the phone could offer. I ended up understanding that exploring and experimenting wasn't worth the try since the screen reader was very limited and couldn't access many phone's features. While five years ago I had the time to work with my phone all day long, I was totally discouraged by the limitations of Talkback. Today I have the courage and the curiosity to Explore Android, but no time, so iPhone is the better choice because it's just usable for what I need it.When you have an iPhone, you're equal to the sighted counterparts in every way. You can type as fast and as efficiently as a sighted person using the braille keyboard; you can use emojis correctly; you can have full access to most of the apps that are available on the Appstore, and so on. But what are the strong points of the iPhone, anyway?• Fully integrated screen reader• Decent Braille support• Braille screen input• Availability of apps and games specially designed for blind and visually impaired users: Blind Square, Seeing AI, Soundscape . . . just to name a few)• Compact/unified operating system so that you don’t have to look for alternative apps that are accessibleAnd more . . . URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433796/#p433796 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? I do not hate android and would be interested to try an android device just for the sake of experience, neither do I think Apple is god (people know my opinion of Itunes). However, one stumbling block for me with Android, is always "so what would I do with it?" I don't doubt there are people out there who use android phones/tablets for the stuff I use Ios for, phone calls, emails, browsing on the go etc, which is fair enough. However, given I can already do all of those things very easily on my Iphone, why would i take the money and time and trouble to buy, learn and/possibly need to customise another device. of course, if my Iphone broke tomorrow and I couldn't afford a new one, Android's lower price tag would make a difference no doubt, but given I already have an Iphone I just wonder what is unique about Android, what stuff Android does that Ios doesn't, what aps are uniquely out for Android that aren't out on Ios. Back when I bought my Iphone 5 in 2012, I didn't even consider Android. Ios was an attractive platform because of the massive quantity of aps and games and what not available. While undoubtedly there is more stuff available now, plus obviously increased accessibility, at the same time, it still seems the lion's share of games and interesting aps that one hears about are out for Ios. Oh there are exceptions of course, the crimson cult rpg sounded very cool and I hear good things about Google assistant, especially compared to the mess that is Siri, but it still seems that basically those are isolated instances, rather than the ongoing trend on Ios. this isn't intended as a bash or an "ios is better" conversation, just to ask those who use Android, especially those who have used platforms, what particularly unique things does android do? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433797/#p433797 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? First. Don't come and talk about 1 company. Android has a lot of companies so don't come and talk only about Samsung you have Google that have a stock Android that is very compatible with talk back with its builtin apps. unlike iOS I have now Android 9.0 and I am running an apps that is supposed to work with Android 5.1 URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433799/#p433799 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @dark The biggest reason why people don't want to give Android a shot (even if they can get a decent tablet to experience it,) is they are too use to the "walled garden" that is Apple!And as for another screen reader that completely "distroys" Google's own offering (that being Jieshuo/Commentary,) I can some it up below:If "Freedom Scientific" (particularly) or "Dolphin Computer Access" were the ones who originally "made" Commentary, VS a chinese developer, no one would care if this screen reader was in "beta," people would be "all over it!" Wanting to test it, wanting to talk about it, wanting to "praise it!"To yall who hate on Jieshuo/Commentary and have "never" tried it in the first place, jump on in to the Official Jieshuo/Commentary group, and be "civil" with yourself if ya got questions/feedback.And if ya care to "never" touch it? Go on and keep using Talkback! But if Google's own screen reader can't keep up with the latest enhancements that Jieshuo already got in its utility belt, plus more and more developers start devoting enhancing their apps to work with Commentary instead once all is said and done/more fantastic people get the word out, ... What more can I say? Yall on the Android Accessibility team got a major clean up to do!Not everyone can, wants to, or feels that ya "need" a "pixel," to have a decent accessible Android experience!Commentary's got a built-in OCR, translator, Voice Assistant, auto-labeling, enhanced selection/reading/editing (and I do mean "enhanced!") Multi-Part Gestures, edge gestures, fingerprint gestures (which all of said gestures can be customized and even made for specific applications via the use of "gesture themes,") plugins/extensions, over 100 audio themes (including VoiceOver/Talkback ones,) a "real" screen curtain for "all" devices, and so many ways to do things!Oh, and ya get to customize what gestures ya want for the web as well, if ya wish to do so. Lastly so not to make this thread all Commentary, do please check out the constantly updating Commentary English ManualFarewell for now folks, catch ya later! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433801/#p433801 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Why is Commentary's voice assistant such a big deal when we already have Google Assistant and Bixby? I was supposed to help with translating but don't have anything updated so don't even know where to submit my translations. And are developers of the screenreaders actually in the tlegram group?Back on topic, the reason people bash Android is because those are the people who are familiar with Apple, because Apple works straight out of the box, and because those same people have never given current Android devices a deecent chance. They will pick it up for a day at most, get confused with angular gestures and slight differences in doing things, then give up. I went Android in 2017 when accessibility had taken strides forward, and I oved it. Still do. Aside from the software, the hardware conveniences of my galaxy s10 still having a headphone jack, 500 gb of expandable memory, and for some phones dual sim are awesome. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433808/#p433808 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @assault_freakYep, all those folks are in the "Telegram" group. Ya can also submit your translations there.As for said Voice Assistant, check out the Commentary Voice Assistant built-in userguide (which has now been translated in to English.) Been like that for awhile!Oh, and it seems the folks over on AppleVis in the IOS 12.3 topic, are a bit upset with Braille support again.Disclaimer I am a Galaxy S10E Flamingo Pink "Samsung Knight," 128GB Storage, 6GB RAM, T-Mobile USA. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433811/#p433811 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @assault_freakYep, all those folks are in the "Telegram" group. Ya can also submit your translations there.As for said Voice Assistant, check out the Commentary Voice Assistant built-in userguide (which has now been translated in to English.) Been like that for awhile!Oh, and it seems the folks over on AppleVis in the IOS 12.3 topic, are a bit upset with Braille support again.Disclaimer I am a Galaxy S10E Flamingo Pink "Samsung Knight," 128GB Storage, 6GB RAM, T-Mobile USA.PS. Ya get betas exclusively from said Telegram group! Punctuation symbols on keyboards, have now been fixed. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433811/#p433811 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? IF I'm not working on the same translation files as a regular team, then I won't be very inclined to do it since there is no one track way to keep the translation project unified. I don't know how many people are fluent both in English and Chinese, as well as have experience translating both languages, but I'm guessing there aren't many in the group, so I would indeed like to help. But to date, it hasn't been a smooth process. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433812/#p433812 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? IF I'm not working on the same translation files as a regular team, then I won't be very inclined to do it since there is no one track way to keep the translation project unified. I don't know how many people are fluent both in English and Chinese, as well as have experience translating both languages, but I'm guessing there aren't many in the group, so I would indeed like to help. But to date, it hasn't been a smooth process. Also, how am I supposed to read the voice assistant manual? haha. No link, and I am not in either the telegram or what's app groups. Is telegram even usable in China? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433812/#p433812 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? my main problem with android are the software updates coming out really bad managed and the google tts, the fact that talkback and explore and touch are 2 different aplications, that talkback is not always a needed part of android and so. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433817/#p433817 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? The only other person that's working on translation besides Noono, is Sarah @ke7zum.As for Telegram Messenger being blocked in China, Check out This Link from "Yoo Security" on the subject, for assistance.As for a list of those Commentary Voice Assistant commands, I'll paste them in another post, as I'll be copying them all directly to the clipboard, in one go! Oh, and for those who don't like using "Chinese" servers for OCR and the like, feel free to "stay away" and don't ruin the experience for us other folks! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433820/#p433820 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? I'm not in China so it being blocked isn't an issue for me.. I was thinking more for the developers. And I have a healthy dose of skepticism about Chinese software because, as someone of Chinese heritage, I'm more well informed than I would like to be. I don't blindly use anything coming out of that country just because it's cheaper and has some surface level catchy things that look cool. I know too much abut the way we do business and how unreliable a lot of said stuff is. lol But again, I'm willing to give this a chance provided again translation can stay unified since I haven't eard anything from Nuno in months. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433821/#p433821 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? I'm not in China so it being blocked isn't an issue for me.. I was thinking more for the developers. And I have a healthy dose of skepticism about Chinese software because, as someone of Chinese heritage, I'm more well informed than I would like to be. I don't blindly use anything coming out of that country just because it's cheaper and has some surface level catchy things that look cool. I know too much abut the way we do business and how unreliable a lot of said stuff is. Call it a balanced pro and con of growing up in both worlds culturally and having both perspectives. lol But again, I'm willing to give this a chance provided again translation can stay unified since I haven't heard anything from Nuno in months. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433821/#p433821 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? I do not hate android and would be interested to try an android device just for the sake of experience, neither do I think Apple is god (people know my opinion of Itunes). However, one stumbling block for me with Android, is always "so what would I do with it?" I don't doubt there are people out there who use android phones/tablets for the stuff I use Ios for, phone calls, emails, browsing on the go etc, which is fair enough. However, given I can already do all of those things very easily on my Iphone, why would i take the money and time and trouble to buy, learn and/possibly need to customise another device. of course, if my Iphone broke tomorrow and I couldn't afford a new one, Android's lower price tag would make a difference no doubt, but given I already have an Iphone I just wonder what is unique about Android, what stuff Android does that Ios doesn't, what aps are uniquely out for Android that aren't out on Ios. Back when I bought my Iphone 5 in 2012, I didn't even consider Android. Ios was an attractive platform because of the massive quantity of aps and games and what not available. While undoubtedly there is more stuff available now, plus obviously increased accessibility, at the same time, it still seems the lion's share of games and interesting aps that one hears about are out for Ios. Oh there are exceptions of course, the crimson cult rpg sounded very cool and I hear good things about Google assistant, especially compared to the mess that is Siri, but it still seems that basically those are isolated instances, rather than the ongoing trend on Ios. this isn't intended as a bash or an "ios is better" conversation, just to ask those who use Android, especially those who have used both mobile platforms, what particularly unique things does android do? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433797/#p433797 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? He is more active with in the Telegram these daays. As for China, why in the world is the company "One Plus" teamed up with T-Mobile USA for? That may honstly be my next phone! Well, the "One Plus 10" I guess, if I get a new phone in 2023 or something like that..Anyway, he's that list of Commentary Voice Assistant CommandsNavigate upVoice assistant helpOpen the given program: Open application nameInstall the given program: install Application NameUninstall the given program: uninstall Application NameRead Everything: Read the whole screenRead aloud: read aloud and follow the cursorCurrent Brightness: read the environment's brightness.Click: activate the focused element.Activate specified item: activate item with the specified nameCopy currently focused item: Copy the currently focused item to the clipboardTranslate: Translate the currently focused text.Translate LanguageName: Translate the currently focused text to a given languageSelect: Selects the given textSend a message in the qq WeChat chat window: Hello send URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433824/#p433824 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? He is most active with in the Telegram group these days. It's got 93 members now!As for China, why in the world is the company "One Plus" teamed up with T-Mobile USA for? That may honstly be my next phone! Well, the "One Plus 10" I guess, if I get a new phone in 2023 or something like that..Anyway, he's that list of Commentary Voice Assistant CommandsVoice assistant helpOpen the given program: Open application nameInstall the given program: install Application NameUninstall the given program: uninstall Application NameRead Everything: Read the whole screenRead aloud: read aloud and follow the cursorCurrent Brightness: read the environment's brightness.Click: activate the focused element.Activate specified item: activate item with the specified nameCopy currently focused item: Copy the currently focused item to the clipboardTranslate: Translate the currently focused text.Translate LanguageName: Translate the currently focused text to a given languageSelect: Selects the given textSend a message in the qq WeChat chat window: Hello send URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433824/#p433824 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Yeah.. probably commands I won't use all that often. But we're derailing the topic. I may give the telegram group a try some point soon. I do want to help, again as I said because there aren't many of us that I know of who are fully bilingual in both languages, or at least noone who is and wants to help translate things. But translation involves communication.. and I have not had good experiences in that department. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433827/#p433827 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @queenslight H, I can't speak for other people, but as I said, my personal issue with android is more the question of what things I can do with it relative to Apple. Apple might be a walled garden, but the problem is lots of other people have built amazing things in that garden, so even if you don't like the apples themselves,you might want to stick around for the peaches, and the plumbs, and the statues, and the fountains and then before you know it your wife turns up with a new apple she just got from that very friendly snake and then your dad is all angry at you, and why in goodness sake, I mean if he didn't want you to eat the damn apples in the first place why did he put the tree in the bloody garden, and anyway it was all the snakes fault, accept whenever you try to explain this to the snake the damn thing just bights you and that really tingles for some reason, h, could this be that poison you've heard so much about? definitely poison! maybe that fellow with the wings and the flaming sword over there could help you with a bit of quarterisation and immergency medical attention! and all of this was because of a bloody peace of fruit in the first damn place!Okay, methinks this metaphore has sort of gone appocalyptic here, but anyway what I was trying to say, is that I do personally always wonder what you can do with Android that you can't do on Ios, since for me the essential phone use, texting and email is only the paripheral end of what I use my Iphone for, indeed I heavily considered getting an Ipad, accept that having the phoen itself was sort of handy as an extra. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433829/#p433829 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? I think the sum of the equasion is if you only want to text, call, check email and browse the web, the either option is a good option and if you have what works for you, stick with it. Android is good for those who aren't content with the peaches, statues and fountains in the garden and want to try their own hand at architecture or at the very least see what other people have built in places other than within the four walls. To use another analogy, Apple is the equivalent to the civilized east in westerns. There are rules, everything works, and it's all easy. But you don't nearly have the freedom you have in the west where law is much looser, and where you have to be tough to find your own way around but once you do, you can do everything you do in the east. Live comfortably, eat, thrive, and you have the freedom to do as you see fit, and the consequences are yourown to bare. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433835/#p433835 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2019-05-15
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : giorgi elbaqidze via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? oh sure ty idk in most of the countreys iphone is popular, and idk why. For me android is better than this iphone. It have really good accessibillity too. Also supports many language, whitch iphone doesn't. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433836/#p433836 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why do so many blindies bash android?
2019-05-15
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? oh sure ty idk in most of the countreys iphone is popular, and idk why. For me android is better than this iphone. It have really good accessibillity too. Also supports many language, whitch iphone doesn't.hmm, you don't need any itunes for access your android files, you need only your usb cable, and done. Yeah years ago android was not accesseble, but now it is. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433836/#p433836 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? I do also agree with this point as well... needing no software to transfer files back and forth, with the structure that I want, is beautiful. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433841/#p433841 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Towts off topic guys, But can someone give me link to that groop? I really wanted to download that screenreader! Want to try something other than talkback! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433855/#p433855 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @28 Here, is the link for you, though fully shown:http://t.me/jieshuochat@darkThat way of visualizing thing you shared about the peaches,is a great one!I am honestly, saving up for an iPad Mini 5 in gold, 256GB of space, and will probably get it on "Amazon USA" for $544 USD.It ain't my first Apple product, though it will be replacing my iPod Touch 6th Gen in gold, which only has 32GB and most likely won't be getting iOS 13 anytime soon. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433866/#p433866 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? i due have an older HTC One phone flying around. And while it still might not be the newest model, I still receive system updates and can fuck around with a lot of things there, something which is actually as well doable on ios which would now lead to the topic of jailbreaking.Androids accessibility did evolve, I can't deny that, but I have been working with iOS for almost 10 years by now and over that time I found a huge pile of apps which fit my needs and do what I want them to do. Things I would be hesitant to do with android are for example financial transactions, the amount of potential threats is keeping me away from these kinds of activitys.Also, the google accessibility phramework doesn't really ensure an intuitive control of talkback, with all those l shaped motions and menus popping up, I am sorry, but in my daily workflow, I can't deal with my screen reader not instantly doing what it is supposed to be doing.Greetings Moritz. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433868/#p433868 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? You know... just saying, but if you think that the google android accessibility team has some cleanup to do... might you (instead of ranting about how bad it is) actually go help them out, mmm? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433914/#p433914 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? People have tried. They simply aren't very receptive to reports and feedback. Well, maybe not receptive isn't the right way to put it. They may listen, but fixing what we suggest as users is far lower on their priority list.. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433919/#p433919 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Yeah, I want to help them out, how do we go about doing that? Clearly they have no idea what they are doing recently, but this is a completely different topic. Just listen to the latest accessibility session at google IO and you should hopefully understand everything. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433922/#p433922 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? If folks want to try and reach out to the peeps over at http://g.co/disabilitysupport, good luck!Right, now for that Google Accessibility Presentation that completely gone wrong!Alternatively, ya can watch a video on Demystifying Android Accessibility Development or the lovely session on Chrome OS Accessibility instead. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433926/#p433926 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @assault_freak well the garden metaphore went a bit nuts but I left it in for amusement . I will admit the idea of file transfers without the baleful Itunes is indeed an attractive one, as I've said before I bought a victor reader stream just because of how stupid I found Itunes for media files, voice notes etc. I do wonder though in terms of aps and games where Android is these days, since I'd say probably %70 of what I do on my Iphone is all ap related, something which is likely to increase with greater use of satnavs and ocr technology, quite aside from games.I certainly will try an Android device if I have the chance too for the experience alone if nothing else. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433950/#p433950 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Well, list some things you want to do and I'll see if I can think of an Android equivalent! Of course, again usin the western metaphor, with Android it requires you to do a bit more exploring of uncharted territory since there are less standards for accessibility and intuitiveness, which is why Android appeals to people who are more tech-savvy. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433959/#p433959 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Well, this kind of blew upThe main reason i am on android, even to this day is because my family has always used android, and that's the ecosystem i was born in to. I got my first phone in 2016, it was a galaxy s3. Talkback was actually pritty good, even when explorer by touch wasn't around. Just use a keyboard. That's what i was used to, and i really think more people should try android. Another thing about android is the ability to sideload apps. I managed to get ivona tts even though it has been off the playstore for many years. I would recommend a pixel for starting users. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433962/#p433962 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? it just doesn't feel good as a platform for me to use on the daily. As a toy, something to hack around on, sure, not as a stable platform. I've seen it go into a softboot loop, a crash loop, and pure cascade failure where one service after another one went down to the point where you could no longer dismiss the dialogs and the thing was frozen solid, and that was not all that long ago. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433965/#p433965 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2019-05-15
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? firstly. I hate that term blindy. I'm a blind person not a blindy, not a blink not a whatever the fuck other names there are.. I'm a blind person. Secondly people are afraid to get out of their comfort zone and try something new. I went android about a year ago and refuse to go back to apple. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433974/#p433974 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? I guess, it comes always down to what kind of person you are. If you want something, that works out of the box, that is simple and easy to use, you should go for an Iphone. I did that, when I bought my first smart phone many years ago. It was an Iphone 5, and it worked very well. Today, I am using both, Android and IOS. At some point, when my current Iphone stops working, I plan to switch to Android completely. Mostly, because I don't want to pay Apple's rediculously high prices anymore. As for what is better than the other, well, I don't think, neither is really "better". Both systems have their advantages and their disadvantages. With IOS for example, you can always rely upon having updates on a regular basis for at least three years. While with Android that is kind of a different story. I have a moto G5. Motorola released an update to Android 8.1 Oreo last year. My phone hasn't gotten this update until now. So, a few weeks ago, I sat down, and updated it manually. It worked well, but it also required a lot of research and time. I understand, if not anyone wants to deal with things like that. On the other hand, with Android I can dictate text messages in different languages without having to change the keyboard. That's a feature, that I find very handy, and that I would like to see on IOS as well.But also, you won't have Seeing AI, Blindsquare or Microsoft Soundscape on Android. Surely, you could use Envision AI. But that App is not yet, where Seeing AI is. And I still haven't figured out, what would be a good navigation software for blind people on Android.Bottom line, both systems are usable. It just depends on how much time and efford you want to put in, to learn to use them. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433981/#p433981 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Thumbs up at post 40! Exactly my view on this subject. Too bad there are all too many people who are blind to that fact that stick up for either camp without opening their eyes a litle. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433982/#p433982 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? I have really tried hard, very hard to use a mac. I also have tried very hard to use and Ipad. And I simply could just never get the hang of it... let alone the very basics. Everything was just too.. confusing? done in just one way, sort of terribly planned.I Started using android as back as 2010! when accessibility was just usable, for calling and that was it. Granted, I had switched from a nokia phone with talks so things were just about the same in terms of accessibility. The reasons why i never got an IPhone were firstly high prices and secondly that I needed to change the way the sim card was just so I could use a newer phone, and back in the day providers here were not that caught up with the trend.So, android it was. The web experience was disappointing, too many apps everyone had I could not use, but slowly and surely that changed and now accessibility is about the same in both platforms.I have had four android phones, three of them with physical keyboards. You never got that with an IPhone for example.The current one now is the Samsung galaxy a9, famous for its social media presense with 4 rear cameras on board--I am a musician and that serves me well--also audio quality is pretty good too.As for good navigation apps, in the spanish speaking world we do ahve lazarillo app, in other places I think the notnav gps or eye D pro with its travel mode are decent enough. People praise nearby explorer a lot though it costs a small price and it only works well in U.s. and Canada.I really appreciate multi language voice dictation, as well as prediction. And curiously, I have been running with samgsung just recently, and its been done rather pretty well, they do have certain accessibility enhancements for a few key areas of the system, one example being that you can buy a bunch of cheap NFC sticky tags and record small voice clips on them and you just got a cheap pen friend labeller, so you can mark whatever you want and use the phone to identify stuff, all free of charge and as part of the system with no additional app needed.Power goes pretty decent in this phone, a charge lasts me three days in average.Not sure what else to compare, if anything? everyone's phone usage is different so its better if you tell us what are your favorite or most frequently done things in the IPhone world and we could probably review (or trash) an app for those. lol.By the way talkback and explore by touch are no longer two separate apps, they had merged years ago, so there is also bashing due to lots of misinformation. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433983/#p433983 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? I have really tried hard, very hard to use a mac. I also have tried very hard to use and Ipad. And I simply could just never get the hang of it... let alone the very basics. Everything was just too.. confusing? done in just one way, sort of terribly planned.I Started using android as back as 2010! when accessibility was just usable, for calling and that was it. Granted, I had switched from a nokia phone with talks so things were just about the same in terms of accessibility. The reasons why i never got an IPhone were firstly high prices and secondly that I needed to change the way the sim card was just so I could use a newer phone, and back in the day providers here were not that caught up with the trend.So, android it was. The web experience was disappointing, too many apps everyone had I could not use, but slowly and surely that changed and now accessibility is about the same in both platforms.I have had four android phones, three of them with physical keyboards. You never got that with an IPhone for example.The current one now is the Samsung galaxy a9, famous for its social media presense with 4 rear cameras on board--I am a musician and that serves me well--also audio quality is pretty good too.As for good navigation apps, in the spanish speaking world we do ahve lazarillo app, in other places I think the notnav gps or "eye D" with its travel mode are decent enough. People praise nearby explorer a lot though it costs a small price and it only works well in U.s. and Canada.I really appreciate multi language voice dictation, as well as prediction. And curiously, I have been running with samgsung just recently, and its been done rather pretty well, they do have certain accessibility enhancements for a few key areas of the system, one example being that you can buy a bunch of cheap NFC sticky tags and record small voice clips on them and you just got a cheap pen friend labeller, so you can mark whatever you want and use the phone to identify stuff, all free of charge and as part of the system with no additional app needed.Power goes pretty decent in this phone, a charge lasts me three days in average.Not sure what else to compare, if anything? everyone's phone usage is different so its better if you tell us what are your favorite or most frequently done things in the IPhone world and we could probably review (or trash) an app for those. lol.By the way talkback and explore by touch are no longer two separate apps, they had merged years ago, so there is also bashing due to lots of misinformation. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433983/#p433983 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? I have really tried hard, very hard to use a mac. I also have tried very hard to use and Ipad. And I simply could just never get the hang of it... let alone the very basics. Everything was just too.. confusing? done in just one way, sort of terribly planned.I Started using android as back as 2010! when accessibility was just usable, for calling and that was it. Granted, I had switched from a nokia phone with talks so things were just about the same in terms of accessibility. The reasons why i never got an IPhone were firstly high prices and secondly that I needed to change the way the sim card was just so I could use a newer phone, and back in the day providers here were not that caught up with the trend.So, android it was. The web experience was disappointing, too many apps everyone had I could not use, but slowly and surely that changed and now accessibility is about the same in both platforms.I have had four android phones, three of them with physical keyboards. You never got that with an IPhone for example.The current one now is the Samsung galaxy a9, famous for its social media presense with 4 rear cameras on board and no physical keyboard--I am a musician so the cameras and stuff serves me well--also audio quality is pretty good too.As for good navigation apps, in the spanish speaking world we do ahve lazarillo app, in other places I think the notnav gps or "eye D" with its travel mode are decent enough. People praise nearby explorer a lot though it costs a small price and it only works well in U.s. and Canada.I really appreciate multi language voice dictation, as well as prediction. And curiously, I have been running with samgsung just recently, and its been done rather pretty well, they do have certain accessibility enhancements for a few key areas of the system, one example being that you can buy a bunch of cheap NFC sticky tags and record small voice clips on them and you just got a cheap pen friend labeller, so you can mark whatever you want and use the phone to identify stuff, all free of charge and as part of the system with no additional app needed.Power goes pretty decent in this phone, a charge lasts me three days in average.Not sure what else to compare, if anything? everyone's phone usage is different so its better if you tell us what are your favorite or most frequently done things in the IPhone world and we could probably review (or trash) an app for those. lol.By the way talkback and explore by touch are no longer two separate apps, they had merged years ago, so there is also bashing due to lots of misinformation. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433983/#p433983 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? If I remember correctly, nearby explorer online, the free application does work internationally, not just in north America thankfully. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434007/#p434007 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? The reason I use IOS over Android, and more specifically Voiceover over Talkback is for the following reasons:1. As far as I know, Talkback does not have something similar to Voiceover's touch passthrough, the thing that allows me to type on Flicktype. Every person I know that uses Talkback uses dictation. I mean, if you're fine with other people hearing your messages and having your texts riddled with a bunch of mistranslated words, that's fine.2. Talkback isn't nearly as responsive as Voiceover. I mean this in the sense that there's always a slight delay in using gestures.3. Lack of updates for Android. I'm actually curious for Android users to respond to this, because this is a big reason why I don't use Android.4. This is actually a rather small reason, and maybe I just never figured out the command. I like being able to pause my audio with a two finger double tap. On a similar note, being able to mute Voiceover. As far as I know, and please correct me if I'm wrong, Talkback doesn't have either of those. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434011/#p434011 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? You think apple doesn’t lack in updates? Hahahahaha URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434033/#p434033 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Ross,Ross wrote:1. As far as I know, Talkback does not have something similar to Voiceover's touch passthrough, the thing that allows me to type on Flicktype. Every person I know that uses Talkback uses dictation. I mean, if you're fine with other people hearing your messages and having your texts riddled with a bunch of mistranslated words, that's fine. True enough. I use either a tap wearable keyboard ($150) or type to my phone through my Telnet if I'm concerned about accuracy and it's a long message.Ross wrote:2. Talkback isn't nearly as responsive as Voiceover. I mean this in the sense that there's always a slight delay in using gestures.This may be more common on older devices. I have a pixel2 and it's barely noticeable.Ross wrote:3. Lack of updates for Android. I'm actually curious for Android users to respond to this, because this is a big reason why I don't use Android.This is one more reason why you really should purchase a Google-branded device. You'll be first in line for updates. If you are that person that still buys their phones from the carrier, Google's budget Pixel3a is going to be sold by nearly all carriers now. Although, i really don't get why one would do that when you can buy the phone unlocked on a payment plan straight from the google store.ross wrote:4. This is actually a rather small reason, and maybe I just never figured out the command. I like being able to pause my audio with a two finger double tap. On a similar note, being able to mute Voiceover. As far as I know, and please correct me if I'm wrong, Talkback doesn't have either of those.Muting Talkback is indirectly accomplished through its accessibility volume control. While there isn't a magic tap gesture, there's button-mapper pro for android that lets you map volume key commands to those gestures. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434042/#p434042 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Ross,Ross wrote:1. As far as I know, Talkback does not have something similar to Voiceover's touch passthrough, the thing that allows me to type on Flicktype. Every person I know that uses Talkback uses dictation. I mean, if you're fine with other people hearing your messages and having your texts riddled with a bunch of mistranslated words, that's fine. True enough. I use either a tap wearable keyboard ($150) or type to my phone through my Telnet if I'm concerned about accuracy and it's a long message.Ross wrote:2. Talkback isn't nearly as responsive as Voiceover. I mean this in the sense that there's always a slight delay in using gestures.This may be more common on older devices. I have a pixel2 and it's barely noticeable.Ross wrote:3. Lack of updates for Android. I'm actually curious for Android users to respond to this, because this is a big reason why I don't use Android.This is one more reason why you really should purchase a Google-branded device. You'll be first in line for updates. If you are that person that still buys their phones from the carrier, Google's budget Pixel3a is going to be sold by nearly all carriers now. Although, i really don't get why one would do that when you can buy the phone unlocked on a payment plan straight from the google store.ross wrote:4. This is actually a rather small reason, and maybe I just never figured out the command. I like being able to pause my audio with a two finger double tap. On a similar note, being able to mute Voiceover. As far as I know, and please correct me if I'm wrong, Talkback doesn't have either of those.Muting Talkback is indirectly accomplished through its accessibility volume control. While there isn't a magic tap gesture, there's button-mapper pro for android that lets you map volume key commands to those gestures.All this is from someone who, after a profoundly disappointing Samsung experience, has stuck with the Nexus/Pixel lineup through and through for years now and has never been disappointed by any of them. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434042/#p434042 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Yeah you get screwed over if you go through a carrier because they give you late updates, then stop giving you updates altogether. So, unless you want to root and then flash the updated ROM yourself, you're not getting it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434056/#p434056 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? The responsiveness of talkback issue could also be more of a tts problem. Google tts, as well as some others like vocalizer and accapella, aren't exactly well known for there responsiveness when doing general things. Typing has never really been a problem for me, at least not since I got google keyboard, a little slow maybe, but i'm someone who never really liked braille screen input and never actually found the time to check out flick type anyway. That aside though, dictation on android is actually way better than I thought. I've been able to dictate some pretty long messages without trouble before. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434057/#p434057 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? The responsiveness of talkback issue could also be more of a tts problem. Google tts, as well as some others like vocalizer and accapella, aren't exactly well known for there responsiveness when doing general things. Typing has never really been a problem for me, at least not since I got google keyboard, a little slow maybe, but i'm someone who never really liked braille screen input and never actually found the time to check out flick type anyway. That aside though, dictation on android is actually way better than I thought. I've been able to dictate some pretty long messages without trouble before.Question. As someone who got my phone through car phone warehouse, do you think that'll have any impact on how fast I get updates / when I stop getting them? I'm on a pixel, btw, for those of you who didn't see my topic. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434057/#p434057 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @47Not being able to text without using dictation or a keyboard is honestly a dealbreaker for me TBH. My job requires me to constantly be traveling and communicating with others. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434062/#p434062 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @ross, If you need to communicate for the job then you may even want to consider something like the Planet Computers Gemini or Cosmo Communicator Android-based pda's. You're really gonna want that built-in keyboard, and what better way than with a pocket-sized good old modernized psion-like PDA. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434066/#p434066 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? I use TalkBack and I type just fine. and yes agreeing with post 40 about prices. I also feel like android give you a little more fexibility whee apps are concerned. If you can't you can usually find one that's accessible with a little trial and error. Or barring that, the crfeators are usualy pretty good about updating them and making them more accessible. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434064/#p434064 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @Cmerry: If it's locked to that specific carrier, then you are probably going to want to root if you don't get Android Q when everyone else does. You're lucky you have a Pixel, as Samsung devices (at least the U.S. variants) at least galaxy s9 and above, actually make the hardware physically impossible to root. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434067/#p434067 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? BSI has revolutionized the speed at which I type, the only limitation being my general unease with braille. When I type on android devices, it is so slow, no, forget that. I have also tried several braille keyboards with Android, all of which do not suit me well at all. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434068/#p434068 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? I have an iPhone.I have an android tablet too.Guess what?I hate the iPhone.I use it only because of seeing AI.When it will appear on android, I'm selling my iPhone.I bought the iPhone because all blind people were like...Oh my god, you should get it, you'll not regret, Siri is great, the phone is secure, etc.Well, I seriously dislike it.On android I can be at my laptop.If I see on Google Play an App I like, I don't need to get the phone to install it. All I have to do is to install it using my laptop, no extra software required, only internet connection.The battery is good. My pixel lasted 2 days, my Huawei P10 lite almost 3. The iPhone? a day.I can connect the tablet to my laptop and do whatever I want, without frustrating software to stand in my way. On iPhone I can't, so I use it only for internet, calls and seeing AI.On android I can use eloquence. On iPhone i'm stuck with Voice Over...And much more.So yes...I'm an android person. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434078/#p434078 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? i've used android? for over 4 years now, it's very nice and i never bashed it, but snese i bought my new iphone i begin to get away from it , apple prodect are simply and easy to use, that's what i've saw in the iphone it self URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434083/#p434083 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Hi.Generally, doesn't matter if it's android or iOS, but I despise carrying a keyboard around with me, doesn't matter if it's a braille keyboard or a bluetooth keyboard.When I am doing notes on the way or have to write down some quick info, I use the direct touch typing on the iPhone, it's faster than the double tap or the lift finger to type method, direct touch is basically normal typing as if you were sighted, but with VO announcing the letters, symbols and numbers you type in, works very fast and easy.I tried using the braille screen input on the iPhone, but pritty much let go of it, far to slow for my taste.Greetings Moritz. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434088/#p434088 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @50How do you type on your phone?@51Could you describe what that is?@56I completely agree. There's no way I'm going to carry around a keyboard just to send texts lol, that's ridiculous. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434092/#p434092 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? So,There are a few "Free" OCR apps which ya may wish to give a looksy at. These include Speak!The vOICeLookOut OCRIf your country does not have any of the apps listed above, use the Toolbox for Google Play Store™ Chrome extension, from Android Police URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434102/#p434102 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Android accessibility, if in fact it is catching up, is doing so at a time when I'm getting too old for the ball park. When windows 98 came out, I experimented without restraint. When XP showed up, I did the same thing. When Vista was being pushed at us, I was there. When 7 entered the market, I was a little less eager but gave it a shot and was thankful to have been informed about Godmode.When people told me such and such was not really accessible on any of these platforms I gave it a shot anyway. When I discovered a bit of software required a ton of tweaking to be useful, I put in the effort-foobar and Miranda IM are the two notable programs that come to mind as being my favorites, which weren't exactly wonderful right out of the box. I didn't stick to conventional; I always leaped at the chance to try a little something else.So it would almost make sense based on all of the above if I were an Android fan, right? I like hacking the bits out of my system I don't like? Well, no... Not really. Fact is, it's my fault for having waited too long. Something happened between o3 and o6 that made me wait to jump in, which is that MS started promising a mobile system to rival everything we knew at the time, and Freedom Scientific, who had just released the pacmate and showed off how it could sync up with one's PC was promising they were going to stay on top of these developments. Because I was a college student at the time, this syncing stuff between computers and mobile devices was an absolutely thrilling and important factor for me. People kept talking about this and that mobile device with talking menus and caller ID's and such and such... I thought I was being wise in waiting for full windows integration across everything!In 2007, Apple took the market by storm with the release of the iPhone, the first mobile device who's interface was, with a few exceptions, touch screen based. Since then, touch screens have become the norm; physical buttons and accessories have slowly been phased out, a continuing process which has recently included removal of the 3.5mm standard analog headphone jack. When I saw floppy drives disappear, I wasn't entirely surprised. When CF cards didn't become as poppular as USB sticks and USB powered external harddrives, I went along with it. I was waiting, waiting for news about a great windows mobile environment that would rival Apple and Android, my hope based on the fact that MS had managed to keep the OS market for the most part over Apple, even amongst blind users. So what if even CD's became obsolete! So what if screens got smaller or larger! So what if even the way we were inputting into our machines had to change! It was going to be alright! Thank you, MS! Thank you Bill Gates!Fast forward to the end of 2012; I'm now 24 years old. No MS mobile system worth writing home about, FS is falling behind on screen reader innovation, NVDA is becoming more and more popular and the only thing I have to my name where mobile is concerned is a crappy Samsung Haven, a phone so sluggish that my now 80something year old grandma could probably walk twice around the whole of my neighborhood before I send a text message. I hear buzzing about Cortana, MS changing its whole windows mobile kernel to mimic that of NT for the better, but by now I've given up hope that this will really mean anything. I had a choice to make; either I stuck with this clunker or trade it in for something I might regret later. Android didn't look anywhere near as popular as iOS... IT certainly didn't have as great a following amongst those people I spoke to most often ,and I didn't see a website or other resource dedicated to all of its functionality.I went for the iPhone 4s. I didn't like touch screens. I found out later just how much of an acquired taste they really were. When I showed up at the store the only charged, unboxed iPhone I could actually use belonged to the service rep and wasn't even a 4s, but he assured me that if I liked it at all I'd like the 4s even better. An hour later I had already learned enough to navigate the thing nicely, thus I purchased the 4s and didn't look back.Jump to 2015; I'm switching carriers and I need to make a choice on phones... Again. Nothing going on with MS still, save that win10 is soon to be the hype of the MS fanboys and everyone who's still using a 7 machine is stupid; shame on you even more if you're using XP! It's a bad word! No good windows mobile, and I don't see anything immensely cool happening with iOS or voiceover. I grab up an HTC 1m8, which was probably the greatest mistake I ever paid money for, as I used it for a whole year and must have made no more than 30 calls on the thing... I never dared to try and send a text message, let alone do anything else worth ment
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? I think people are sort of sneering at iOS users as if they are simply too stupid to figure out Android. This is an assumption, and when you apply it to a whole group of people, it becomes a stereotype. I've figured out Android. I've used ADB, fastboot, flashed ROMs, fucked up my device, unfucked it, installed a different kernel, used Xposed Framework to customize it, tried new ROMs, and so forth. I've been through the whole process, but I go back to my iPhone, why? Simply because I can do what I want faster, and more efficiently than I can on Android. The speech doesn't lag, it keeps up with everything I'm doing as I do it, etc. Now, if android people want to look at that and continue to sneer and jibe, well, nothing I can do about it, but I don't say the same to you all. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434127/#p434127 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @nocturnus: Completely agree that Android does require more customization. However, you bought an HTC, and HTC is probably one of the worst brands in the history of accessibility, because their interfaces are god-awful.@Ross: read about the cosmo communicatorThe Gemini PDA is immediately available and has a similarly impressive feature set without the fingerprint sensor and camera, but the Cosmo Communicator is the successor to that. Now this is a real productivity device, and glad to see the pda finally make a comeback. In the days of windows mobile and Symbian, mobile phone/smartphone meant productivity. Nowadays, smartphone=dicking around with a few productivity bits here and there. And all because of what was missing, the built-in keyboard. Of course, I have a wearable keyboard but not everyone wishes to use that. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434155/#p434155 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Because it has a history of not being half accessible and jumping around the universe. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434199/#p434199 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @61, I may check the Cosmo Communicator out and see if I can back it. Hell, I might get the PDA that's available ATM and see how accessible their software is. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434221/#p434221 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? ross wrote:@47Not being able to text without using dictation or a keyboard is honestly a dealbreaker for me TBH. My job requires me to constantly be traveling and communicating with others.I think typing has been extensively discussedI have never typed in an iPhone, so have absolutely no idea what the process is like. But i doubt it is faster than voice dictation (which I have learned to use discreetly by the way)it is very accurate most of the time, responds well to background noise, you can use it with a close mic to you such as a headset one, and it is really up to you if you want to not give away context so you can keep your messages private. Of course, I never text on the phone for anything too serious anyway, and when something is really meant to be private I just use a headphone and the onScreen keyboard, its predictions are also very good and it does help when speeding up entry. The switch is really not bad, but for me it had a very strong psychological implication--in other words I simply dreaded not having a physical keyboard. But slowly and at last, mostly due to pressure from needing a replacement phone fast and not living in the U.s., I moved away from buying some of the few current phones with physical keyboards like the blackberry key2, which is meant for, and targets the productivity sector, so you might wish to dive into that. Samsung also sells some keyboard covers which you can make part of your phone so no need to carry around anything extra. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434254/#p434254 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @64Yeah. Not to bash voice dictation or anything, it's just ultimately not my thing. Those are good suggestions though, I'll have to check them out. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434274/#p434274 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @ethin: I believe there is sourcecode available as well, so that's always a nice bonus. IN either case the Agenda app and Database app, which mimic the psion applications, are obviously lightweight and meant for productivity. So for once, a custom skin that isn't bloatware! The Android itself is aosp based, but with a windows CE-style system bar and task manager. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434479/#p434479 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @jack,Because I actually believe you have a nice grasp on Android and do at least understand where I'm coming from, what would you say to someone who has bought into the Apple eco system? I mean, I have a yearly subscription of Apple music, movies I've purchased on iTunes, audiobooks I've acquired by the same method, etc etc. Would I find switching to an Android of your suggestion an inconvenience?I'm willing to concede that I might not have done all of the legwork required when I went after the HTC phone and that lack of misinformation could have been my greatest hindrance. Perhaps I banked a bit too much on the idea that people were saying that iOS and Android accessibility were more or less equall to one another and that their was no excuse for at least not trying it. Maybe quitting iOS cold turky wasn't the wisest thing I could have done.But now, I've added another 3 years of iOS experience under my belt. I"ve seen what a great environment Apple can, and in many ways has, created for its users. The seamless integration that exists between OSX and iOS is thrilling in many ways, or at least it is to me. I guess what I'm leading up to is what Dark has posed above, which is the why. One might suggest getting an Android tablet to mess around with, but my logic is that I could just as easily get an iPad which would be familiar to me.BTW, I'm fully aware that everything I've posted above might still sound like I'm being close minded; feel free to call me out on that. I'm not trying to be. I just wish I could shake this feeling that most people who choose this or that system do so more or less on Principle rather than because one truly has massive advantage over the other. AS it stands, I'm an iOS user because I believe in my device doing for me rather than me doing for it. That could change if I discovered that if I work with my device long enough it'll benefit me more than the iOS stuff I've used. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434583/#p434583 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @nocturnus:Android accessibility is close in line with IOS, if you are using a less bloated system. In the mainstream world that usually means Google-Pixel devices.Apple Music: There's an app for that on the Play Store, and it's reasonably accessible.iTunes music: Android has no problem with m4a's, particularly when you're not confined to one media player (Winamp does exist on for Android, but is rather disappointingly inaccessible. Of course, Google Music also lets you import your library from iTunes into Google Music, uploading the songs to the cloud in the process.Audiobooks: That's the only thing standing in the way, i.e you will no doubt need a drm stripper to get rid of audiobook drm so you can listen to them on your Android. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434606/#p434606 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Okay, here are my thoughts on all this.Google has a culture based on creating new things. I've read in some places that Google employees get pats on the back and maybe even promotions based on working on new things. That's probably why a new messaging app comes out every few years, and they're even making a new operating system, fuchsia. This means that working on TalkBack, BrailleBack, and older accessibility functions of Android isn't profitable for the accessibility team, so what do they do? They work on some live captioning stuff for deaf people, which of course is great, but my gosh isn't it easier to give blind people access to the virtual world than to give deaf people access to the infinitely more variant real world? Don't misunderstand me, it's great that they're considering people with other disabilities, but they should consider us all equally, not just one at the expense of another. So that's one reason why I will not use Android, theirs is a culture of "new," not of making what is there even better. Also, their treatment of developers is awful, just ask stereomatch, the developer of Amazing MP3 Recorder. Google has begun banning not just the one developer for any infractions, but banning others by association. Also, in a later version of Android, Q probably, developers won't be able to access the whole file system of storage. What was that about Android being free as in freedom again? Google has been steadily limiting developers' power, because of course Google Drive is the answer to everything... right? right? Isn't it?Another thing, braille. Google obviously doesn't care that much about braille. Who even owns one of those braille adapter writer digital things anyway? Who would rather read with their fingers rather than listen to the sexy rigid tones of Google TTS stripped down to its 7 Megabyte nakedness? Oh and Eloquence, we have Eloquence on Android! *drool*. In all seriousness though, what happened to accessibility for everyone? Why is it that braille can't be a first-class citizen (this really applies to any operating system, as none of them do it exceptionally well) on Android? Why is it that one cannot turn off speech when using BrailleBack? Furthermore, why is it that BrailleBack isn't included in Android Accessibility Suite, and Select To Speak was? Why are the commands on a braille display so different than on any other system?Now, on to the third party offerings. Why can't Commentary use multi-finger gestures? Samsung's Voice Assistant can. I don't need hundreds of audio themes, I need a screen reader on which I can be productive in all that I do: reading email, browsing the web, reading books, writing and editing documents with only the touch screen (which I can do on the iPhone fairly well), and playing games. I feel like Commentary is trying to tackle so much, but is still based on the sorry excuse that is TalkBack.And Android users may say "Well, Android doesn't need to be a PC-like operating system." Why not? Modern smart phones *are* computers! Yes they use touch screens instead of mice and keyboards, but that's input. There is absolutely no reason why a "mobile" screen reader can't be as powerful, or even more so, than a "computer" screen reader. There is no reason why a "mobile" screen reader can't make one as efficient in productivity as a "computer" screen reader. That's another reason why I will not use Android, users don't use it to its potential, so developers feel that they can keep TalkBack as a toy screen reader. Even Victor Tsaran, developer of TalkBack, uses a Mac and iPhone, seemingly most of the time. Why? Probably because he can be productive on those platforms, and just answer calls on the Android, do texting on messages.android.com or whatever the site is where people can text using their Android phone, basically using the phone as just a conduit for his other devices, not as a device itself, and I'm willing to bet that that's what most blind people do; see Jack telnetting into his phone for texting. This isn't to say that this practice is inharrently bad, it can work out, but gosh its such a waste of a perfectly good opportunity to use a phone as sighted people do. Do you see sighted people having an actual need for a computer for most things? No. Why? Because they're perfectly productive on phones and iPads. They don't need to wear a keyboard to be quick typists, they don't need to do something as technical as telnet into their phone to type. They don't even need to download a third-party email program because Gmail just isn't all that great for us. Then again, many of them that I know use iPhones, but are happily productive with them, too.So, why iPhones? First, Apple has limited develop
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? I'm really considering getting the Google Pixel 4 when it comes out. I've been interested in switching to Droid for a while now and have a few questions. I listened to Nick Aamson's Blindly Switching podcast and it sounds like you have to do all the jesters with just 1 finger. Is this true? Is there any way to change them to using 2 or more similar to IOS? The thought of having to draw everything with 1 finger is kind of a putt off to me. Also is there a gesture to stop and play audio like the 2 finger double tap in IOS? That's all I have for now. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434755/#p434755 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? I'm really considering getting the Google Pixel 4 when it comes out. I've been interested in switching to Droid for a while now and have a few questions. I listened to Nick Adamson's Blindly Switching podcast and it sounds like you have to do all the jesters with just 1 finger. Is this true? Is there any way to change them to using 2 or more similar to IOS? The thought of having to draw everything with 1 finger is kind of a put off to me. Also is there a gesture to stop and play audio like the 2 finger double tap in IOS? That's all I have for now. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434755/#p434755 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @Jeffb:Android does only use one or two finger gestures. Which does mean less gestures to remember/use. That being said there's no magic-tap equivalent to stop and start music playback, but there's Button Mapper for that.@Devin: That's only because, if I'm correct here, Apple patented the advanced multitouch gesture support that Voiceover takes advantage of.Also, you're forgetting that Android makes for a pretty good desktop OS on the Pixelbook, and Chrome OS and Android is actually a pretty good blend, and with Chromevox included in the linux support, the Pixelbook makes for a great 4in1.Regarding Amazing MP# Recorder, that app was a scam waiting to happen, so good riddance. High-Q Mp3 Recorder, while it is a paid app, has a trial with all codecs available (wave, mp3, even flac) where the only restriction is a 10 minute limit on recordings. I bought it and it's been the only recording app I've ever used for years now. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434766/#p434766 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @Jack h that's gonna be a tough learning curve for me but I think I'll still try it. I'm getting tired of Apple and I think I'd get more out of my Google Home with Droid. Thanks URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434768/#p434768 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @Jack thanks that's gonna be a tough learning curve for me but I think I'll still try it. I'm getting tired of Apple and I think I'd get more out of my Google Home with Droid. Is there any site for Android that suggests accessable apps akin to Applevis? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434768/#p434768 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Jack you keep suggesting the Pixel, and it does seem great, but even the mid range one is 670 bucks. Is there really that much of a difference between that one and say, the Nokia 7.1? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434776/#p434776 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? 1. Budget Pixel3A: Do you mean $670 in Canadian? It's $400 over here. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434781/#p434781 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? 1. Budget Pixel3A: Do you mean $670 in Canadian? It's $400 over here.The difference is likely in system specs, inability to receive updates when everyone else does (unless Nokia is faster with updates) not as much of a chance of the fingerprint sensor supporting talkback gestures, and no Google Lookout. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434781/#p434781 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? 1. Budget Pixel3A: Do you mean $670 in Canadian? It's $400 over here.The difference is likely in system specs, inability to receive updates when everyone else does (unless Nokia is faster with updates) not as much of a chance of the fingerprint sensor supporting talkback gestures, and no Google Lookout.That's not to say Lookout is still a Pixel-exclusive, because it did just make its way onto some more non-Google devices just recently, and they are continuing to expand. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434781/#p434781 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Hi. Regarding multy touch gestures, at present, it is simply impossible for commentary to do it. Before you say but voice assistant does it, don't forget that Samsung does not only make voice assistant, but an entirely customized version of Android, thus their screen reader works only on their devices. Even then, it's not an open API or something other developers can use, they just built it for their own screen reader. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434788/#p434788 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Samsung has proprietary stuff left and right, they're almost as bad as Apple in that regard. They're the company that tried to call a bs patent infringement on Apple (before they even had an accessibility solution) that would essentially force Apple to scrap Voiceover. It's no wonder they're the ones that are so cut-throat with Apple while everyone else is fine with healthy competition that ends up producing more well thought out hardware. And that mentioned API for multitouch gestures will never be exposed as Samsung devices are now physically impossible to root. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434820/#p434820 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Everyone keeps saying apple patented the idea of multitouch gestures. Samsung also has this.. so Apple can't have exclusive rights to it unless Samsung bought the permission from them... Talkback's refusal to implement multifinger gestures doesn't make any sense to me because Samsung proves it can be done. And for people saying Android's accessibility API doesn't allow for them... Google owns both pieces of software. Can't tell me there's no way for them to come together. lol URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434840/#p434840 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Samsung devices are impossible to root? Since when and why? This makes my likelyhood of buying a Samsung device go down to 0%. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434841/#p434841 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @74, I'm impatiently waiting for Lookout to come to Canada. And @76, Samsung is almost an equivalent, but they are not... because you still aren't locked into one ecosystem. But when you're a tech giant, competition is all you see... but having said that, I am probably one of the few people who will say that between the version of stock android I experienced on a moto g5 and 1UI on my galaxy s10, there's no contest. And the big winner for me? Yes, shameless... multifinger gestures. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434850/#p434850 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @78, not sure when, but the roomer I've heard is that when you try and root a Samsung device, it blows some kind of eFuse(I don't know how...) and bricks your device. I don't know how it does it but it does it. Supposedly. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434864/#p434864 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @78, not sure when, but the roomer I've heard is that when you try and root a Samsung device, it blows some kind of eFuse(I don't know how...) and bricks your device. I don't know how it does it but it does it. Supposedly. Oh, and its not "impossible to root," it just doesn't work with known rooting technology. There are still bugs, though, that could make it possible. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434864/#p434864 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? If that's the case then wow, talk about a dick move. I've given some thought to possibly switching from iOS when the time comes to upgrade my phone. If the rumors end up being true, I sure as hell won't be going with Samsung since the option to root is a requirement for me. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434867/#p434867 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? No fear there.. plenty of options to choose from! Multifinger gestures and a magic tap were both big things for me which is why I went with samsung. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434868/#p434868 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Having companies dictate what we can do with the devices we pay for just rubs me the wrong way. If the accessibility of Android was on par with iOS, I would have probably switched a long time ago since I'm not a fan of Apple's walled garden approach. It sounds as if accessibility is becoming less and less of an issue, so I may switch in the future. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434869/#p434869 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Josh wrote:If that's the case then wow, talk about a dick move... ... since the option to root is a requirement for me.I see rooting as being less and less necessary nowadays. Especially because of this eye brow raising perspective with which I happen to agree.I actually went out there and searched many of the great, astounding, incredible use cases for rooting in 2019 and nothing really surprised me, and I remember using a rooted device for two years in 2013. SO that's that, advancements in everything I guess. And no, most phones will not brick on purpose simply because you will root them. Its just a way to make sure your warranty is truly void if that chip gets blown, nothing else, and Samsung is apparently not the only one doing this URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434871/#p434871 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
